From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 00:55:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12092 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 00:55:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA09778; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:36:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:36:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA09771; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:36:40 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.ebay.sun.com) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08323; Tue, 1 Feb 94 22:36:43 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02183; Tue, 1 Feb 94 22:34:24 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02466; Tue, 1 Feb 1994 22:36:36 +0800 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 22:36:36 +0800 From: page%swap@Sun.COM (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Squeezing out memory Reply-To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Status: OR [I just got added to the list] My 750C has 20MB memory and 80MB swap partition (WfWG 3.11). I need more memory. Well, not more memory. More conventional memory. After booting without PCMCIA support, I only have 487K free. mem /c shows me that tpaudd takes 58K (!) mouse and dos are 17 each, smartdrv another 28, and some misc stuff. I don't think that's enough, but I don't know where to load the stuff. When I boot with card services and configure the Megahertz XJack faxmodem and Xircom CreditCard ethernet card (which cause NDIS to load), I only have 396K free! At that point I can't bring up most DOS applications. I didn't try RAMboost. I did try QEMM though. It was spectacularly unsuccessful; I ended up with 28K *less* after it ran. Here's some stuff from config.sys: device=c:\qemm\qemm386.sys ram x=b000-cfff device=c:\qemm\qdpmi.sys swapfile=dpmi.swp swapsize=1024 files=50 buffers=10 dos=high,umb shell=c:\command.com c:\ /p stacks=9,256 device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdss01.sys /s0=2 device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdoscs.sys /w device=c:\thinkpad\dicrmu01.sys /ma=c000-cfff device=c:\thinkpad\$icpmdos.sys device=c:\dos\power.exe device=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe device=c:\ibmaudio\audiodd\tpaudd.sys device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys and autoexec.bat has lines like: c:\qemm\loadhi /rf net start megahz s2c2 c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\windows\smartdrv.exe 2048 128 c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\thinkpad\fueldos c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\dos\doskey.com c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\dos\mouse.com You can assume I know pretty much zip about DOS. My configuration of the PCMCIA cards may be totally messed up - in fact, when the machine boots it gives me some warning about not finding the Xircom card. I have downloaded and am using the latest drivers and other materials >from the IBM, Megahertz and Xircom BBSs. Any thoughts? (DR-DOS 7 and OS/2 are not options.) Thanks - ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 01:01:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13382 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:01:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA10641; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:52:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:52:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA10635; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:52:16 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id BAA26765; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:45:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199402020645.BAA26765@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: linux on a tp750 update Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 01:45:33 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR For those of you who are interested in Linux on a 750 (or are just interested in tp750 quirks...) I finally got the floppy drive to work under Linux. Apparently the disk change bit on the floppy controller chip is opposite to what it would normally be on an AT disk controller. Once I figured this out, all I had to do was to change the sense of all of the comparisons for this bit in the floppy driver and it worked. Pretty soon I'll put make a linux-on-tp750 boot image for anon ftp. Unfortunately, the networking code in Linux leaves a lot to be desired. Our local net is such a swamp that the Linux code barely works. So now that I know about the quirks of the floppy drive, I'm going to try to get NetBSD running on the thing. Stay tuned... Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 04:51:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21146 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 04:51:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA06188; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:40:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:40:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA06175; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:40:40 -0500 Received: from efd.lth.se [130.235.45.11] (lo-1.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@lo-1.efd.lth.se) id 2d4f82db_16f_1 ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:39:24 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 11:39:21 MET From: Erik Lindahl To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, f91el@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 1994 22:36:36 MET." <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR Some details that possibly could give you a little more free memory: Do you use a CD-rom? If not, use the switch /U for smartdrive; this means that it won't load cd-rom caching support. If you don't use any large dos programs, maybe you could do without=20 smartdrive for dos! If you use 32-bit file access if WfWg 3.11, it has its own 32-bit caching program (VFAT or VCACHE or something like that). This i= s faster than smartdrive, but works only in windows. If you want to keep=20 smartdrive for dos caching, you could change the wincache to 0.=20 (The last action won't save any conv. memory, but 128k of high...) You have got IFSHLP.SYS in your config.sys file, so you are=20 probably using the VFAT system. If you don't need sound support in dos, you can leave out tpaudd... Try various Qemm options like not shadowing bios etc... I do recall that there was a problem i with qemm and the audio drivers.. I don't know if it was the audio driver or the soundblaster emulation program, though...=20 Did you use the Optimize program in qemm? (Not only usual qemm installatio= n) Well, I don't know if this was of any help, but if you discover any=20 tricks yourself, feel free to post them!!! Good luck, Erik=20 ----------------------------------------- Erik Lindahl Lund Institute of Technology, Lund, Sweden f91el@efd.lth.se From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:01:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:01:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA17481; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:49:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:49:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA17472; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:49:17 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11689 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:49:19 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA00278; Wed, 2 Feb 94 07:53:17 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402021353.AA00278@kentucky> Subject: Saga of the Memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:53:16 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Status: OR Dear all: As you may recall, I recently purchased a 750c, and am trying to retire my 700 (anyone want to buy it?). I attempted to take the 8MB DRAM card out of the 700 and to put it in the 750c, only to find Error #201 --- complete refusal! I phoned First Source (where I bought this card in June) and found a very sympathetic tech-person. He assured me that 700 cards should work in the 750c --- so he express mailed me a new card. The new card worked great --- no probs. I simply mailed the old card back to him yesterday. Wonderful service and guarantee. I still do not know why the first card worked in the 700 and not in the 750. Tres strange. But it does not matter now. I recommend First Source to you for your future purchases. SW P.S. Now to worry about modems (since the modem I had in the 700 is not PCMCIA, and so won't fit in the 750c)....... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:28:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05507 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:28:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA19373; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:12:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:12:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA19362; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:12:55 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12735; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:12:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:12:49 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402021412.AA12735@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR Why do you say OS/2 is not an option. You are flailing away desparately with junk software that is bound to cause you such difficulties, and unless you have extremely odd requirements, which are certainly not clear from your post, OS/2 would entirely solve your problems at a cost of $49. Using OS/2 you should find that you have plenty of conventional memory for DOS programs, and that further more you can run several of them at a time (I do so all the time on my TP750). In addition, if you just run DOS, I would say that you wasted money getting a 16M card, clearly there is no way you can make decent use of that extra memory. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:40:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07509 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:39:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20486; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:27:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:27:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20477; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:27:00 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12836; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:27:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:27:06 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402021427.AA12836@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR Well it's you who is having problems, not me! For interest, what is the "development tool that you use regularly" that won't run under OS/2. Actually I have only encountered one program that wouldn't run, which is Ultima-VII, because they use a curious extender, and indeed I am sure there are old obsolete versions of programs using obsolete extenders around. Sure, if you have such an anomoly, that makes sense, but you should be sure that you are acting on accurate information. It's not that I "love" OS/2, why waste any emotion on operating systems? It's just that I use it regularly, and the kind of problems you state simply do not arise! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:42:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08016 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:42:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20833; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:31:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:31:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20826; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:31:21 -0500 Received: from thor.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.2-14 #4085) id <01H8ELOVOSV48WWFEV@tink.com>; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:32:19 EST Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #3223) id <01H8ELM2MQKW8Y91SU@gs.com>; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:29:59 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA04499; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:30:13 EST Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 09:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Message-Id: <9402021430.AA04499@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR > device=c:\dos\power.exe > device=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe > device=c:\ibmaudio\audiodd\tpaudd.sys > device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys Seems like many (if not all) of these could be DEVICEhigh instead of DEVICE statements (same for the PCMCIA stuff). Been a while since I really hacked DOS, but that should help with memory in the critical 640k region. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:52:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:52:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA21845; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:39:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:39:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA21838; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:39:24 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12954; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:39:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:39:33 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402021439.AA12954@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: power.exe Status: OR what exactly do these power saving things do (apart from wasting valuable space). If I never use any of the power saving features (I never do, in fact I use PS2 BR N to get decent screen brightness back), then are they doing anything for me? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 13:05:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15313 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:05:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA09828; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:44:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:44:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA09811; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:44:16 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.ebay.sun.com) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13452; Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:44:18 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14735; Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:41:58 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02857; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:44:11 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:44:11 +0800 From: page%swap@Sun.COM (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402021844.AA02857@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: dos memory redux Status: OR Thanks for the info, public and private. I hadn't realized that some of the drivers (like tpaudd and mouse) were DOS-only things. I hardly do anything in DOS, so I REM'ed them out. I also REM'ed doskey. I changed all the DEVICE statements to DEVICEHIGH. I don't use a CD-ROM so I added the /U switch to smartdrive. Then I REM'ed out smartdrive anyway, since I don't run any large DOS apps and I'm using WFWG disk caching instead. After doing all the above, conventional memory (when not using PCMCIA) went from 487k free to 594k free, and when using PCMCIA support, I went from 396k to 502k. That's more like it. The problem with the above is that to get more memory, I'm removing stuff. That's not unreasonable, except the whole point of my original post is that NOTHING is being loaded high. When I boot with NO PCMCIA cards and don't load the device drivers, mem /c reports: Adapter RAM/ROM: Size 192K, Used 192K, free 0K But how can I be using 192K? The VESA driver is in conventional memory. Do I need the page frame? Do I need to exclude so much memory for drivers? Is it true that of the 384k between 640k and 1MB, IBM is using all of it? By way of comparison, on my Dell desktop at home, which doesn't run QEMM, I've got setver, smartdrv, mouse and doskey all loaded into upper memory. Is there really no uppper memory available on the TP? As to why I have an 80MB swap partition -- that's what WFWG recommended. I bought WFWG separately, it was not bundled with the TP. Of course, between an 80MB swap file and a 21MB hibernation file, I'm already consuming a lot of my disk! Good thing I've got 340MB... As to the ifshlp.sys file -- I don't know what it's for; it looks like WFWG added it. :-) Something to do with the file system? As to OS/2 entirely solving my problems for $49 - I don't want to get into it; OS wars are ugly. You OS/2 fans can let me suffer. When I get more experience with OS/2 (on my home machine) I'll know when it's time to switch on my laptop. At the moment it's not time. I'll be on the road for a few days; I'm bringing the QEMM manual and I'll see what I can accomplish. Thanks again for the help. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 14:41:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 14:41:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17117; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:14:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:14:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17092; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:14:21 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM ([129.150.111.200]) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04960; Wed, 2 Feb 94 12:11:42 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16420; Wed, 2 Feb 94 12:07:53 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03027; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:10:05 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:10:05 +0800 From: page%swap@Sun.COM (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402022010.AA03027@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: XJack on 750 In-Reply-To: <9402021654.AA15790@aludra.usc.edu> References: <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> <9402021654.AA15790@aludra.usc.edu> Status: OR > How do you like that XJack modem? Any troubles? How does it handle > when you switch to other programs under windows? (I heard it has only > a 16450 UART in it, so I'm curious how it deals with Windows' choppy > "multitasking"). The Megahertz modem works very well. I haven't noticed any problem with the UART. Then again, I have a habit of not touching a DOS/Win machine during downloads. I use procomm+/win, winfax pro and prodigy for windows and they seem happy with the card. I only tried to recieve a fax once and it failed; I haven't investigated why. However, the modem can't be used if I'm using my Xircom CreditCard ethernet card because the XJack causes the phone connector to be perpendicular to the modem card, so it sticks out enough to interfere with the connector on the other card. The other ramification is the PCMCIA locking pin supplied with the 750 covers the XJack so I can't use the modem if I have my cards locked. These problems are serious enough that I'm looking for a different modem, but I like the modem's setup and operation, so if I don't find another modem I like I'll live with the XJack's limitations. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:01:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07038 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:01:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24591; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24577; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:34 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29268; Wed, 2 Feb 94 13:45:20 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05986; Wed, 2 Feb 94 13:45:17 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03345; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:45:06 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:45:06 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402022145.AA03345@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: XJack on 750 In-Reply-To: <9402022132.AA27886@ganga.watson.ibm.com> References: <9402022010.AA03027@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> <9402022132.AA27886@ganga.watson.ibm.com> Status: OR > I'm wondering if it is compatible with the little plastic door that > comes with the Thinkpad. Could I just leave the modem installed all > the time? (assuming I don't have any other PCMCIA cards.) Yes to both. > Would I be in danger of breaking off the XJack or anything? No. It's pretty rugged. It's like a spring loaded button; you push to make the XJack pop out of the card, and you push again to make it go back in. I think it's a clever design, except for the problems I already mentioned. If you get one, log in to the Megahertz BBS and grab the latest software for it. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:02:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07536 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:02:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24647; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:46:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:46:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24630; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:59 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA29940 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:45:45 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022145.AA29940@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:45:44 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401312250.AA24425@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jan 31, 94 02:49:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > a usage issue. I've argued my view of the situation many times before and > frankly have no desire to do so here--I'm here for the TP support! Suffice True, true! I'll bring it up no more! :) > > Some day, I'd like to do a battery life test and average out the results > > we get from this mailing list. I've tried a while ago but there were > > only two other people on the list at the time. > > I'm sure there are enough now--try it. I guess now is a good time. I'll post a message soon. > I managed 3 for the first time just last night--and that was on > completely "low" settings and most of the time it sat idle (for the purpose > of measuring time, I set it to not suspend very frequently) on a table. That > would *never* be the case under normal use, I fear... Well, most of the battery life is sucked up by the TFT display, so that's the most drain. Even if you'd been using it the whole time (doing reasonable tasks -- basically anything not very swap intensive or floppy intensive or PCMCIA intensive), my guess is that it would still be around 3 hours. > But even the 2 1/2 hour times I got, it was just sitting on a table > doing nothing with the settings on "high"--just so I could measure the time > it got. It wasn't pretty... I really don't think 2.5 hours is that bad. I do recall seeing the estimates you quote though and I do have to agree it definately shouldn't be advertised as such. Another thing that sucks up a lot of battery life is your RAM though. Before I got my RAM, I easily got up to 3 hours on high and I'm sure well past it in fact... > Sleezy marketers... Agreed. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:27:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:27:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26772; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:10:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:10:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26744; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:10:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:09:47 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022209.AA11215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:09:47 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 1, 94 10:36:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I didn't try RAMboost. I did try QEMM though. It was spectacularly > unsuccessful; I ended up with 28K *less* after it ran. Do you use EMS at all? If not, you can use EMM.SYS and RAMBoost and save on some overhead. > device=c:\qemm\qemm386.sys ram x=b000-cfff Or you could just take out the RAM parameter and (I think) add a NOEMS paramter. > device=c:\qemm\qdpmi.sys swapfile=dpmi.swp swapsize=1024 > device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdss01.sys /s0=2 > device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdoscs.sys /w > device=c:\thinkpad\dicrmu01.sys /ma=c000-cfff > device=c:\thinkpad\$icpmdos.sys You have the option to use these drivers or the Phoenix drivers that came with PC-DOS 6.1, which I think are superior and also have been told by IBM to use in lieu of the TP PCMCIA drivers (but someone else has also told me that he heard otherwise). To use the Pheonix drivers, just delete those lines and add the following: device=c: \dos\pcmss.exe /s0=2 device=c: \dos\pcmcs.exe device=c: \dos\pcmscd /com=2 You may also have to add another parameter to the Super Client Driver to get the network card to work. At the command line, check the drivers with pcminfo and it will list what it thinks the PCMCIA cards are. > device=c:\dos\power.exe > device=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe > device=c:\ibmaudio\audiodd\tpaudd.sys > device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys > c:\qemm\loadhi /rf net start > megahz s2c2 Are these PCMCIA drivers for your cards? If so and the Phoenix drivers work, you won't need them. Also, it seems a lot like you haven't run the optimize program that came with QEMM. I don't know if you know this (since you say you know nothing about DOS) but you have to run OPTIMIZE to get QEMM to load those drivers high (unless you want to manually do it -- not fun). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:31:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22120 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:31:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27144; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:14:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:14:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27133; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:14:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13627 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:14:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022214.AA13627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:14:02 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Erik Lindahl" at Feb 2, 94 11:39:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > with qemm and the audio drivers.. I don't know if it was the audio driver > or the soundblaster emulation program, though...=20 The SVAUDIO program only works with EMM and HIMEM. How brain-dead of the makers. At the least they could include some sort of trick to get program that won't accept the address our sound system is at. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:40:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25791 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:40:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27786; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:20:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:20:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27755; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:20:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16551 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:20:07 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022220.AA16551@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: NO WARS! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:20:04 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Feb 2, 94 09:18:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > High time we had an OS war in this mailing list... NOTE TO ALL: Please do not use this mailing list as a site for OS wars of any kind! We have managed since this list's conception to be totaly cordial to each other and I'm sure most of us would like to keep it that way. Furthermore, while I'm on my pedastle (sp?), let's keep the flames and so forth private. And keep the messages public by setting the TO header to tp750@cs.utk.edu. I know mine is usually set to reply to the original sender by default. Be sure any message you want to send to all of us (and archived) be sent to tp750@cs.utk.edu. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:44:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27464 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:43:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA28432; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:28:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:28:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA28424; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:28:21 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:28:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022228.AA20350@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: dos memory redux To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:27:59 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402021844.AA02857@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 2, 94 10:43:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I hardly do anything in DOS, so I REM'ed them out. I also REM'ed > doskey. I changed all the DEVICE statements to DEVICEHIGH. DEVICEHIGH is using DOS's memory management. If you want to use QEMM's, which is probably superior (not by all that much though), you'll have to run OPTIMIZE. > stuff. That's not unreasonable, except the whole point of my original > post is that NOTHING is being loaded high. When I boot with NO PCMCIA The main problem is that PCMCIA drivers must load into the region that many of our programs would otherwise love to load into. You could always experiment to see exactly what memory regins they use and just exclude those regions instead of the default, which is a rather large region. > The VESA driver is in conventional memory. Do I need the page frame? > Do I need to exclude so much memory for drivers? Is it true that of > the 384k between 640k and 1MB, IBM is using all of it? You probably don't even need the VESA driver at all if all you do is in Windows. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:44:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27638 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:44:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA28002; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:22:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:22:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27995; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:22:54 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17855 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:22:34 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022222.AA17855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: power.exe To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:22:29 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402021439.AA12954@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 2, 94 09:39:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > what exactly do these power saving things do (apart from wasting valuable > space). If I never use any of the power saving features (I never do, in fact > I use PS2 BR N to get decent screen brightness back), then are they doing > anything for me? Hmm..probably nothing in your case. I've always presumed it controlled such things as shutting off your hard drive, suspending, etc. I'm sure you could remove those items without much trouble. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Feb 2 17:32:41 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18487 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:32:27 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16543; Wed, 2 Feb 94 18:32:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 18:32:21 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402022332.AA16543@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: power.exe Status: OR so that's another saving of a few bytes in the DOS case if you don't need the power stuff. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 18:39:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13849 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 18:39:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA05010; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:25:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:25:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA05003; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:25:30 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09301; Wed, 2 Feb 94 16:25:27 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25225; Wed, 2 Feb 94 16:25:31 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03526; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:25:19 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:25:19 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402030025.AA03526@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: XJack on 750 Status: OR I dropped in at my local dealer and he said Megahertz makes the exact modem but with a traditional connector, not an XJack. Same price. The downside is that I'd need a special cable rather than a simple Male-Male phone cord, but the upside is that the 750's PCMCIA locking pin would work and (most importantly) I can use the ethernet card and the modem at the same time. It sounds like an even trade-off -- I hadn't considered how handy it was to be able to use any phone cable rather than a $33 custom cable. If I lose or forget my phone cable somewere, I can always go to any supermarket or corner store and pick up a new one. But if I forget the custom cable, I'm screwed. This isn't an issue with the Xircom ethernet card since I leave the cable in the office; hotel rooms don't usually have 10baseT connections. :-) By the way, the dealer claims all 14.4k PCMCIA fax/modems use the 16450 UART. Xircom has a combined PCMCIA ethernet/fax/modem card. I have no idea how the cabling works. ..bob From Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Wed Feb 2 19:20:26 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27451 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:20:20 -0600 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20855; Wed, 2 Feb 94 17:19:28 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00849; Wed, 2 Feb 94 17:19:30 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03575; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:19:17 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:19:17 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402030119.AA03575@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory In-Reply-To: <199402022209.AA11215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402022209.AA11215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Content-Length: 481 Status: OR > You have the option to use these drivers or the Phoenix drivers > that came with PC-DOS 6.1, which I think are superior and also have My TP came with a little pamphlet called "Before Using the PCMCIA Card" that explicitly states Do not install the Phoenix PCMCIA support in IBM DOS 6.1. > Also, it seems a lot like you haven't run the optimize program > that came with QEMM. I did, but my machine hung lots of times. Eventually QEMM gave up. I'm still experimenting. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 19:24:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28701 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:24:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07862; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:11:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:11:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07848; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:11:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199402030111.UAA07848@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Reply To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 17:11:05 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401311626.AA27556@aludra.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Jan 31, 94 8:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > My only beef? I'm *VERY* disappointed in the battery life. I haven't > yet run too many trials witht he C as I've had it for only a few days, but > on the Cs, which IBM claims to get a minimum of 3.5 hours to as high as 8, > I didn't even get close. Don't get me wrong--I don't expect 8 hours (I *know* > that's a farce), but I very much *DO* expect 3.5 (or in the case of the > C, 3.4) hours--on the "high" performance setting. As others have stated, the memory card will suck power as well. My 750 mono went from about 5.2 hours full steam to 3.9 hours after I added an 8MB card. As for the high of 8 hours (11 for the mono) I think I know where that comes from. I've been messing with ramdrives recently, and if I put a game entirely into the ramdrive (so the hard disk can turn off and stay off), I can *easily* get 6+ hours on high. The extra memory should cause a bigger hit on battery life w/o the hard disk since it'll account for a larger percentage of the power drain, but being conservative in my estimate the 6+ hours translates to 8+ hours for a 4MB machine. Drop the CPU into low and turn off the screen every now and then and I think 11 hours without going into suspend is plausible, albeit impractical. Ok, I confess, I did play games for 6 hours straight once. :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 00:51:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11142 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:51:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00611; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:41:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:41:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00604; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:41:30 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26664; Thu, 3 Feb 94 01:39:53 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA760266475 Thu, 03 Feb 94 01:07:55 EST Date: Thu, 03 Feb 94 01:07:55 EST Message-Id: <9401037602.AA760266475@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR My tp750 has taught me alot about editting config.sys and autoexec.bat! Based on the other reply and your message, it sounds like you know what to try. I would specifically recommend removing: c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\thinkpad\fueldos It wastes memory if you're in windows or if you are plugged in. Also, I found a clearly reproducable lock-up it causes in windows. Fortuneately, it seems to be associated with OS/2 leaving the battery's micro-processor in a communicative state, so you're not likely to see it. You definitely wont have this problem if you remove fueldos. -joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 09:16:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13208 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:16:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA10166; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:06:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:06:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA10155; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:06:33 -0500 Received: from rs2.rz.uni-hohenheim.de by rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA16841; Thu, 3 Feb 94 16:06:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 16:00:46 +100 (MEZ) From: "Dr.M.Bruewer" Subject: os/2 and Ethernet-Adaptor To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello, I'm new on this list and I'm glad that it exists. I have a tp750c with 8MB since a few days now and I'm wondering what kind of Ehternet-Adaptor (10BaseT) will work together with OS/2. What I've heard is that the Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet card does not support OS/2 yet, but the IBM does. Is that information correct? Thanks, Michael Bruewer Computation Centre University Hohenheim Stuttgart Germany From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 12:03:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16120 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:03:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24229; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:46:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:46:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24216; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:46:10 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02942; Thu, 3 Feb 94 12:45:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 12:45:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402031745.AA02942@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bruewer@rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: os/2 and Ethernet-Adaptor Status: OR I'm still trying to figure out how to use the IBM Ethernet credit card adapter with OS/2, I still don't understand what drivers I need, anyone know? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 19:35:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19821 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:35:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA05690; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:24:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:24:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA05677; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:24:04 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16118 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:23:53 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402040123.AA16118@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:23:52 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402022237.AA06398@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 2, 94 02:37:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > How so? If mine only gets 2 1/2 hours by sitting idle, I see *no* > way it can get 3 hours by doing work! (except maybe by lowering the speed > to "low"--but even then...) Well, then make it 2 1/2 hours... :) I thought you said you got 3 hours. Anyway, the reason I said that was because the vast majority of power is going to be drained by the screen (unless you also use PCMCIA or intensive disk access). > I now have an 8MB RAM card, but my early "testing" was before the > RAM card arrived, so that was just the standard 4 MB. Hmmm..well, I must say bummer. How are the new times with the card? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 19:38:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20663 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:38:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06054; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:29:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:29:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06046; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:29:36 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17627 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:29:25 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402040129.AA17627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: XJack on 750 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:29:24 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402030025.AA03526@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 2, 94 04:25:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > By the way, the dealer claims all 14.4k PCMCIA fax/modems use the > 16450 UART. Ah, he's full of it. I'm using an AT&T Keep-In-Touch PCMCIA modem which does have a 16550 UART on it. Actually, it doesn't have a conventional UART but it's the equivalent of 16550 in the hardware. > Xircom has a combined PCMCIA ethernet/fax/modem card. I have no > idea how the cabling works. I've read about that too. I'd love to see it but haven't even seen it in an ad yet. In any case, you may want to consider the AT&T KIT modem. It's in a PC/Mag review and tied with Intel for the fastest times. Also, it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. The downside is that there are no OS/2 drivers out yet although the beta version is said to be coming out this month. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 20:17:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03081 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:17:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA08452; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:06:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:06:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA08445; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:06:27 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27019; Thu, 3 Feb 94 21:05:31 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402040205.AA27019@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: os/2 and Ethernet-Adaptor To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:05:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402031745.AA02942@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 3, 94 12:45:58 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Robert Dewar writes: : : I'm still trying to figure out how to use the IBM Ethernet credit card : adapter with OS/2, I still don't understand what drivers I need, anyone : know? : I have the IBM credit card ethernet adapter working without problems (Except that I cannot use the AT&T Keep-In-Touch modem when the socket services are loaded, so I can only use either one, but not both). Posting my whole CONFIG.SYS here would be too much, so I'll just try to what lines might be relevant and approximately where they are in my CONFIG.SYS. Note that I use TCP/IP 2.0 and am not really sure, which of the following statements you can omit or need to replace if you use something else. So this is probably a mixture of statements needed to use the credit card itself and to run TCP/IP and NFS. These are my CONFIG.SYS statements: These two are the very first DEVICE statements appearing in my CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C: \IBMCOM\LANMSGDD.OS2 /I:C:\IBMCOM DEVICE=C: \IBMCOM\PROTMAN.OS2 /I:C:\IBMCOM After loading VWIN.SYS, there are these statements: DEVICE=C: \OS2\APM.SYS DEVICE=C: \OS2\MDOS\VAPM.SYS DEVICE=C: \OS2\PCMCIA.SYS DEVICE=C: \OS2\MDOS\VPCMCIA.SYS and a little later I have: RUN=C: \IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIND.EXE RUN=C: \IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE DEVICE=C: \IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\INET.SYS DEVICE=C: \IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\IFNDIS.SYS SET ETC=C:\TCPIP\ETC SET TMP=C:\TCPIP\TMP SET READIBM=C:\TCPIP\DOC RUN=C: \TCPIP\BIN\CNTRL.EXE IFS=C: \TCPIP\BIN\NFS200.IFS DEVICE=C: \IBMCOM\MACS\PCMNICCS.OS2 and THE LAST THREE LINES of my CONFIG.SYS are: DEVICE=C: \THINKPAD\$ICPMOS2.SYS DEVICE=C: \THINKPAD\IBM2SS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICE=C: \THINKPAD\ICRMU01.SYS I hope this helps. If you need any more help, I could e-mail you my whole CONFIG.SYS, but it is 175 lines long! Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Thu Feb 3 23:36:23 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28309 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 23:36:21 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04645; Fri, 4 Feb 94 00:36:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 00:36:31 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402040536.AA04645@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s Status: OR actually my biggest concern with the batteries is how fast they run down when outside the machine. This makes it work to keep N batteries fully charged. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 16:34:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:34:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA08289; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA08247; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:18 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu by chaph.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.0) id AA05891; Fri, 4 Feb 94 11:18:47 PST Received: by aludra.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.6) id AA14119; Fri, 4 Feb 94 11:18:45 PST From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Message-Id: <9402041918.AA14119@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 11:18:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402040536.AA04645@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 4, 94 00:36:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > actually my biggest concern with the batteries is how fast they run down > when outside the machine. This makes it work to keep N batteries fully > charged. That's one of the reasons I was a little less than impressed with getting the 2nd battery from IBM free of charge. Sure, I now have 2 batteries and I can swap one in when the first dies--but will the second one I swap in have any juice in it? Its just that much more work to keep a second battery not only charged (as it is discharging so quickly) but also conditioned. What kind of discharges (without being used) is everyone experiencing with these ThinkPad 750 NiMH batteries? Mine easily seems toto lose 10% just sitting over night. Doesn't take more than 3 days or so for the whole thing to be just 1/2 to 3/4 discharged (or more). Is that typical for everyone? To lose that much charge so quickly? I realize NiMH do this faster than Ni-Cd's to, but *this* fast? Seems like unless I use it *immediately* after I unplug it from the wall, I will easily lose 5% or more of the charge by the time I actually turn the machine on. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 17:56:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16654 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:56:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA13883; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:45:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:45:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA13871; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:45:23 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06758; Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:45:22 PST Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11458; Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:42:59 PST Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06410; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:44:11 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17925; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:45:53 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:45:53 +0800 From: Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9402042345.AA17925@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hello X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR By way of introduction, I'm Chuck McManis with FirstPerson Inc. (a subsidiary of Sun Microsystems) I've got a 750c with the 340mb drive. I'm currently running DOS/Windows on it but will put Solaris 2.3 on it when it had drivers for the Xircom ethernet card. I've got the credit card ethernet adapter and a megahz card. Like many people I'm appalled at how little memory I've got left after loading drivers so and hints there are appreciated. I've got ramboost configured which loads the pcmcia drivers in high memory but the megahz modem doesn't work when it does this. Sigh. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 18:28:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24440 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:28:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14817; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:09:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:09:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14807; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:09:46 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:10 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA04065; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:09:32 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:09:32 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9402050009.AA04065@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR What's this "2nd battery from IBM free of charge" business? I hadn't heard of that. I ordered (and paid for) a 2nd battery in November and am still waiting for it. Also the Quick Charger. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 14:26 PST 1994 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:34 EST From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Subject: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 11:18:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > actually my biggest concern with the batteries is how fast they run down > when outside the machine. This makes it work to keep N batteries fully > charged. That's one of the reasons I was a little less than impressed with getting the 2nd battery from IBM free of charge. Sure, I now have 2 batteries and I can swap one in when the first dies--but will the second one I swap in have any juice in it? Its just that much more work to keep a second battery not only charged (as it is discharging so quickly) but also conditioned. What kind of discharges (without being used) is everyone experiencing with these ThinkPad 750 NiMH batteries? Mine easily seems toto lose 10% just sitting over night. Doesn't take more than 3 days or so for the whole thing to be just 1/2 to 3/4 discharged (or more). Is that typical for everyone? To lose that much charge so quickly? I realize NiMH do this faster than Ni-Cd's to, but *this* fast? Seems like unless I use it *immediately* after I unplug it from the wall, I will easily lose 5% or more of the charge by the time I actually turn the machine on. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 18:43:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27306 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:43:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA16189; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:32:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:32:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA16180; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050032.TAA16180@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:32:37 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9402041918.AA14119@aludra.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 4, 94 11:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > What kind of discharges (without being used) is everyone experiencing > with these ThinkPad 750 NiMH batteries? Mine easily seems toto lose 10% > just sitting over night. Doesn't take more than 3 days or so for the whole > thing to be just 1/2 to 3/4 discharged (or more). Are you sure about this? Back when I had 4MB, I would lose about 15% per day while in suspend mode. Outside the machine I lose about 5% a day. That's a little higher than what I hear is the norm for NiMH (2%) but this battery is supposed to have a microprocessor in it. You could try turning one of your batteries off while storing it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 19:02:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:02:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA17069; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:48:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:48:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA17062; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:48:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050048.TAA17062@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:48:23 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9402050023.AA09889@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU>; from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 4, 94 7:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Just how accurate are these figures, my impression, not carefully verified, > is that a battery left outside the machine gives a pessimisic reading when > first loaded back in, and in paticular, it seems that even if such a battery > indicates say 70%, it takes only a very short time for it to be reading 95% > again if the machine is plugged in. I leave the monitor up all the time while under OS/2. It seems to use past discharges and current usage to determine the time remaining (if I go off a ramdisk for a while, the time remaining meter will increase accordingly, and rather accurately from my experience). The percentage remaining figure seems very accurate in my 750, with two exceptions. When I first got the computer, it reported I had 25% battery remaining just minutes before it died, which I chalked up to the battery not having been cycled (An interesting side note is that my initial battery life was around 4 hours, and 25% remaining would've projected out to 5+ hours). This problem disappeared after I cycled the battery a few times. The second time was when I got my 8MB upgrade. It took a couple of cycles before it corrected the time remaining figure, but for a couple dozen cycles the computer reported about 5% battery left when it went into failsafe suspend (the time remaining did correctly read 0:00 for a few minutes to up to a half hour before this point). I got tired of the inconsistency so I drained the battery overnight (left computer in suspend mode until all the lights went out), turned the battery off and let it sit overnight again, then turned it on and charged it again. It's been very accurate ever since. All in all, I've been very pleased with the battery and monitor considering some of the horror stories I've heard from people with other laptops. Now I find out maybe I just got lucky? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:27:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18529 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:27:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA22467; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:19:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:19:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA22460; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:19:56 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17114 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:19:45 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050219.AA17114@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:19:44 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402041907.AA12230@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 4, 94 11:07:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > In any case, you may want to consider the AT&T KIT modem. It's in > > a PC/Mag review and tied with Intel for the fastest times. Also, > > Is that PCMCIA? What else? We only deal with the latest in goodies here! :) > > it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. > > What kind of upgrades? Like to V.Fast? (!) I've been assured by two salesmen, one tech support, and one engineer that it will be upgradeable to v.34 (v.Fast). There's rumors of an interim v.32terbo -- BUT IT'S JUST RUMOR! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:36:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:36:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23033; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:29:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:29:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23026; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:29:17 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18683 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:29:06 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050229.AA18683@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Memory and Solaris To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:29:05 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402042345.AA17925@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Chuck McManis" at Feb 4, 94 03:45:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > of Sun Microsystems) I've got a 750c with the 340mb drive. I'm currently > running DOS/Windows on it but will put Solaris 2.3 on it when it had drivers Solaris? I'm not sure if that'll work. I hope that Keith Moore can tell you more. But he's had quite a time getting Linux hacked enogh to run on the TP750. I'd be interested in the results. > a megahz card. Like many people I'm appalled at how little memory I've got > left after loading drivers so and hints there are appreciated. I've got > ramboost configured which loads the pcmcia drivers in high memory but the > megahz modem doesn't work when it does this. Sigh. Be sure to exclude the necessary memory regions for your PCMCIA cards. Send us your CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:41:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20850 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:41:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23394; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:35:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:35:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23380; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:35:11 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19753 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:34:58 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050234.AA19753@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:34:56 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402050023.AA09889@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 4, 94 07:23:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > What I have not tested is the relative effect of leaving the battery on or > off. If you turn it off, wouldn't the battery lose it's charge? > Just how accurate are these figures, my impression, not carefully verified, is > that a battery left outside the machine gives a pessimisic reading when first > loaded back in, and in paticular, it seems that even if such a battery > indicates say 70%, it takes only a very short time for it to be reading 95% again > if the machine is plugged in. John Kim told us that the battery has some sort of processor built-in to change it's figures as we use it. So are you using the battery that's in store on a regular basis? Do you just swap batteries? My battery seems to take _forever_ to recharge ever since it came back from the service station. Maybe my battery is bad? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:57:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23741 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:57:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA24256; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:49:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:49:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA24249; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:49:49 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22277 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:49:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050249.AA22277@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:49:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hello all! It's that time again -- yes, battery rundown tests. I'd like to collect all the info and compile it into an "average" list so that we can compare times and get some realistic data. There are certain conditions I'd like to test. 1. No Activity Test: Disable the screen and hard drive suspend options. Don't have any apps other than either Windows or OS/2 and the fuel applet. Let it run down to 5%. 2. Suspend Test: Put your machine in suspend and let it sit. Now I know most of you are too busy to let your machines sit all the way through this one so I would just like you to record one or two overnight suspends. Record the exact time you suspend and the exact time you bring it out and check the fuel guage. 3. "Normal" High Use Test: Just go about your daily routines and record the time it takes for your machine to reach 5% fuel. Since this will probably be the most variable, I'd prefer multiple tests, if possible. Also, to standardize things, use the high setting. Leave the suspend screen and hard drive settings at a level where you normally would. And lastly, don't use PCMCIA cards. 4. "PCMCIA" Use Test: As #3 except use your PCMCIA card(s) the whole time. 5. "Normal" Medium Use Test: (OPTIONAL) See #3 except set it to the Medium level. 6. Game-Play Test: Yes, why not? Play a rather disk and CPU intensive game such as Wolfenstein 3-D and use the audio system. 7. In-Use Partial Recharge: How long does it take to recharge to 80% when you're using your machine? 8. In-Use Full Recharge: How about 99%? 9. Power-Off Recharge: How long does it take to recharge when your TP is off? I know that there are a lot of tests, but I feel that this will give us a better range to deal with. Also, not everyone will be able to tests all conditions so just send me what you can. Also, be sure to send it to me personally so that we don't pollute our mailing list. My email is seanchou@uiuc.edu. This is an example of what to send and what to include: ----------- System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 Test#3. Lotus 1-2-3, file management, various other data tasks. 2:14. ----------- BTW, those are real numbers. If you have any comments, please send them to me. And please try to get all the data in by the 19th. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 00:57:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00709 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 00:57:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08153; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:46:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:46:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08137; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:46:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050646.BAA08137@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 22:46:56 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402050219.AA17114@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 4, 94 8:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > > it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. > > > > What kind of upgrades? Like to V.Fast? (!) > > I've been assured by two salesmen, one tech support, and one > engineer that it will be upgradeable to v.34 (v.Fast). There's > rumors of an interim v.32terbo -- BUT IT'S JUST RUMOR! I think Hayes put out some ads recently that claimed to be using v.32terbo. 19.2 kbps I think it was. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 01:02:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:02:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08519; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:53:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:53:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08512; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:53:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050653.BAA08512@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 22:53:24 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402050249.AA22277@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 4, 94 8:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 > > Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 > Test#3. Lotus 1-2-3, file management, various other data tasks. 2:14. > ----------- > > BTW, those are real numbers. If you have any comments, please send them > to me. And please try to get all the data in by the 19th. Please include where you bought the memory card, and if possible the manufacturer of the memory card. I want to see if going for the lowest price is really a good idea. I can tell you right off the bat I'm losing about 45% charge over 24 hours with my 12 MB card on my 750 mono. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 07:33:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 07:33:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA14373; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:27:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:27:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA14366; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:27:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12060; Sat, 5 Feb 94 08:27:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 08:27:38 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402051327.AA12060@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) Status: OR jokim again mentions a 12 meg card, I assume this is a mistake, and that what he really has is an 8 meg card with the 4 meg base memory. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 14:41:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16591 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 14:41:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08806; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:29:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:29:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08799; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:29:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199402052029.PAA08799@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 12:29:08 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402051752.AA04404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 5, 94 11:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR I wrote: > > the bat I'm losing about 45% charge over 24 hours with my 12 MB > > card on my 750 mono. ^^^^^ ^^^^ That's a mistatement on my part. It should be "8MB card on..." or "12 MB on ..." See what nasty things can happen if you're trying to write a reply at 4:50 and you have an appointment to meet someone across the city at 5:00? :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 00:47:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21025 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:47:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA13657; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:40:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:40:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA13650; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:40:55 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:40:42 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402060640.AA20174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery times To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:40:41 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402060624.WAA25878@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 5, 94 10:24:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 > > I had no idea that suspend was that efficient! Seems like I'm wasting > my time with the "Hibernate after 1 hour" option... Yeah, I stopped using Hibernation after I tested that out. I just leave it in suspend now. But of course, it seems that I get more loss nowadays. I'll have to take another test. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 13:45:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22068 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:45:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04725; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04718; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA06181 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:23 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:35:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8hJGdrS00WB48_kEd1@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Epsilon Status: OR Here's a strange one for the masses: Anyone use Lugaru's Epsilon? It's a programmer's editor (similar to Emacs) for OS/2 or DOS. Anyway -- for unknown reasons, Epsilon *will not* recognize -... it recognizes , loves the C key, but won't do both. It's not a problem outside of this program. Even stranger (and the reason I post this here) -- it's not a problem on any machine other than my 750. Any ideas? - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 14:00:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25499 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 14:00:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA05787; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:06:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:06:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA05780; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:06:42 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA28415; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 10:06:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA04255; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 10:06:44 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402061806.KAA04255@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Memory Cards To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (John H. Kim) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 10:06:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402050653.BAA08512@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Feb 4, 94 10:53:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 > > > > Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 > Please include where you bought the memory card, and if possible > the manufacturer of the memory card. I want to see if going for I bought my 8MB card from a place in Washington (State) called "Omnitek Computers" (wanted to avoid CA sales tax). I was referred to them by the manufacturer of the memory card I decided to by--Simple Technologies. I saw Simple's ad in some publication when I was in Vegas at Comdex and decided to give them a shot. So far, I'm happy with it--I don't know about battery drain on Suspend, but in normal usage I *honestly* don't see any appreciable battery time difference. I paid $450 plus $10 shipping. I couldn't find anything less expensive, and as I said--so far, I couldn't be happier! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 19:33:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07149 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 19:33:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA01251; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:21:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:21:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA01241; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:21:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199402070121.UAA01241@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 17:21:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402060606.WAA23639@aludra.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 5, 94 10:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Are you sure about this? Back when I had 4MB, I would lose about 15% > > per day while in suspend mode. Outside the machine I lose about 5% a > > It lasted *that* long sitting in suspend? Are you sure you don't > mean "hibernate"? I wouldn't know--I have mine set to go into hibernate if > it sits longer than 1 hour in suspend--I assumed suspend ate more power than > what you just said. Hibernate saves the contents of RAM and the CPU to the hard disk, then turns the computer off. The battery drain in hibernate is the same as the battery drain with the computer off. Suspend powers down everything except the CPU (which goes to 0 MHz) and RAM. Yes, I got 15% drain per day with 4MB. I was real happy about that until I got the 8MB extra memory and it shot up to 45% per day. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Feb 6 22:39:41 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 22:39:38 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA19728; Sun, 6 Feb 94 23:39:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 23:39:38 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402070439.AA19728@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR incidentally, one reason I very much dislike the "hibernate after x time" option is that you can imagine putting your machine in suspend and then who knows where it will be (being dumped roughly onto an Xray machine belt? or bounced around in a car) when the disk suddenly decides to spring to life! From bktarkington@ucdavis.edu Mon Feb 7 14:15:03 1994 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06884 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:15:00 -0600 Received: from [128.120.18.112] (pc-lab-112.primate.ucdavis.edu) by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA15304; Mon, 7 Feb 94 11:55:27 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 11:55:26 PST Message-Id: <9402071955.AA15304@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sean Chou From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem Status: OR >> > In any case, you may want to consider the AT&T KIT modem. It's in >> > a PC/Mag review and tied with Intel for the fastest times. Also, >> >> Is that PCMCIA? > >What else? We only deal with the latest in goodies here! :) > >> > it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. >> >> What kind of upgrades? Like to V.Fast? (!) > >I've been assured by two salesmen, one tech support, and one >engineer that it will be upgradeable to v.34 (v.Fast). There's >rumors of an interim v.32terbo -- BUT IT'S JUST RUMOR! This weekend I received a new J&R Computer World (800-221-8180) catalog. On page 21, they have the AT&T KIT for $289.95. Incidentally, they also have the Megahertz XJACK for the same price. It appears that prices are dropping on these modems. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 10:43:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28131 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:43:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA09471; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:26:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:26:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA09460; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:26:00 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05232; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:25:05 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402081625.AA05232@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: OS/2, PCMCIA Eth. & SUSPEND hangs system To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:25:03 -0500 (EST) Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Hi, I cannot get my ThinkPad 750 to enter SUSPEND or HIBERNATE mode correctly, instead the system hangs with only the mouse still working (not even CTRL-ALT-DEL works anymore). This is my setup: ThinkPad 750 running OS/2 2.1 and TCP/IP 2.0 with NFS and the EZPlay V1.0 and Autoconfigurator drivers. I have an IBM PCMCIA credit card ethernet adapter installed, and it seems to be the NDIS MAC driver (PCMNICCS.OS2, NDIS 2.0.1 Version 1.3) which came with the card that causes these problems. For when I 'REM-out' the corresponding DEVICE statement in my CONFIG.SYS, SUSPEND and HIBERNATE work just fine -- but the ethernet software doesn't work, of course. Has anybody managed to get this to work? All help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 11:06:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07420 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:06:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11499; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:51:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:51:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11490; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:51:39 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04314; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:51:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:51:17 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402081651.AA04314@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: forster@ssnet.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS/2, PCMCIA Eth. & SUSPEND hangs system Status: OR I read somewhere in some documentation that you must close down TCP/IP before attempting to suspend. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 11:18:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12640 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:18:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA12151; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:00:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:00:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA12130; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:00:41 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05555; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:59:53 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402081659.AA05555@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: OS/2, PCMCIA Eth. & SUSPEND hangs system To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:58:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9402081651.AA04314@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 8, 94 11:51:17 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: forster@ssnet.com Status: OR Robert Dewar writes: : : I read somewhere in some documentation that you must close down TCP/IP : before attempting to suspend. : Thanks for your immediate reply! Actually, I'm not even starting TCP/IP and NFS and all that (I set it up so that I have to explicitly call the startup script, so that I don't have it all running when I'm not even connected to the network). The only things that are 'active' are those that have to be loaded in CONFIG.SYS -- how to you close down the NDIS driver PCMNICCS.OS2 and then start it again once you're back out of suspend mode? For all I know that is not possible. Thanks again, Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 12:03:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04218 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:03:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15722; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:46:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:46:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15715; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:46:56 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18424 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:46:58 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA06789; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:52:04 CST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:52:04 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402081752.AA06789@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KeepInTouch Modems Status: OR Dear all: I want to thank Sean Chou for pointing out to me that the price of these modems has just dropped --- one can now buy them from Sparco (1-601-323-5360) for $280! I just saved $54 by waiting a week before ordering. So, I thought I would pass this info along! SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From Exposure_Facility@primate.ucdavis.edu Tue Feb 8 12:18:54 1994 Received: from primate.ucdavis.edu (espace.primate.ucdavis.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11542 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:18:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199402081818.AA11542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 8 Feb 1994 10:17:48 -0800 From: "Exposure Facility" Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: "Sean Chou" Status: OR Reply to: RE>>AT&T KIT modem Sean, There is no indication that the Megahertz modems offered by J&R have the 16550 UART. I have not been in touch with Megahertz because as you know, I lost interest in these. Incidentally, last week I thought I was having trouble receiving faxes. Embarrassingly, it turned out that the problem was at the other end in Cambridge. I found this out after contacting Sofnet (FaxWorks for OS/2), whose excellent tech support rep., David, said it must be the modem. I then called AT&T Paradyne (800-237-0016) and was put in touch with a rather unpleasant individual named Greg. He said that there were problems with FaxWorks and OS/2, neither was supported and there were no immediate plans to do so. He said that they had problems getting information from IBM. I know from you and an IBM person that AT&T has a beta OS/2 driver. I think someone at AT&T needs to clear this up. Anyway, later I conducted some fax send/receive tests with the AT&T KIT and faxed the results to David at Sofnet. Their standard driver and program work beautifully. The class-1 configuration with FIFO on (16550 UART) is the one to use. TCF does not seem to have an effect. BTW, I started your rigorous but necessary battery test protocol last night. Brian -------------------------------------- Date: 2/8/94 1:07 To: Exposure Facility From: Sean Chou Received: by primate.ucdavis.edu with SMTP;8 Feb 1994 01:07:38 -0800 Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA22740; Mon, 7 Feb 94 15:51:41 PST Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14574 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for bktarkington@ucdavis.edu); Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:51:22 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402072351.AA14574@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: bktarkington@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:51:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402071955.AA15304@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 7, 94 11:55:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 453 > This weekend I received a new J&R Computer World (800-221-8180) catalog. > On page 21, they have the AT&T KIT for $289.95. Incidentally, they also > have the Megahertz XJACK for the same price. It appears that prices are > dropping on these modems. Is the XJack the new one with the 16550? I imagined that these modems would drop fast once more notebooks got out there and the demand picked up... Such is the price we pay for being pioneers! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 14:48:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01367 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:48:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA26410; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:15:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:15:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA26401; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:15:53 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14339 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:15:41 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402082015.AA14339@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:15:40 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402081818.AA11542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Exposure Facility" at Feb 8, 94 10:17:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > excellent tech support rep., David, said it must be the modem. I then called > AT&T Paradyne (800-237-0016) and was put in touch with a rather unpleasant > individual named Greg. He said that there were problems with FaxWorks and > OS/2, neither was supported and there were no immediate plans to do so. He > said that they had problems getting information from IBM. I know from you and > an IBM person that AT&T has a beta OS/2 driver. I think someone at AT&T needs > to clear this up. I have heard my information directly from the AT&T BBS. I have been calling nearly every night looking for the OS/2 beta drivers. I will let all know the minute they are released so that we can put it through our "rigorous" tests. As to the problems with FaxWorks...I assume you are talking about the non-OS/2 version. You may want to check out the OS/2 version. I don't know much about fax programs though since I don't really fax all that much. > Anyway, later I conducted some fax send/receive tests with the AT&T KIT and > faxed the results to David at Sofnet. Their standard driver and program work I'm glad to hear! Maybe I should start faxing... :) > BTW, I started your rigorous but necessary battery test protocol last night. Thank you! I haven't heard much so far about this and I'm just hoping it doesn't fall over dead... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 18:09:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04613 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:05:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA11252; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:29:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:29:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA11245; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:29:38 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10606; Tue, 8 Feb 94 18:28:40 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402082328.AA10606@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:28:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402082124.AA07733@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Feb 8, 94 01:24:27 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Bruce Reed writes: : : I'm also interested in using this modem under OS/2 so I called AT&T Paradyne : to get to get a second confirmation of the earlier report. Sure enough, AT&T : says OS/2 drivers are not available, OS/2 is not supported and they can't say : when or even if it will be supported. I don't know what they've got on their : BBS, but it sounds pretty clear to me. : : So what PCMCIA modems do have OS/2 drivers? : : --Bruce : Well folks, I'm very glad that I can make a positive contribution to this list! THE AT&T KEEP-IN-TOUCH MODEM DOES WORK WITH OS/2 ON THE TP750's! There is a new ThinkPad Utilities disk out (since some time in January), and it contains EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers for PCMCIA (DOS, Windows and OS/2), and the AT&T Paradyne modem is supported by this (I'm writing this message using t with Kermit). AND IT ALSO WORKS WELL WITH FaxWorks for OS/2 (class-1). The ThinkPad Utilities disk can be found on CompuServe in the ThinkPad Forum library, the file name is UT750.EXE, which is a self-extracting archive (DOS). Make sure you also get he files EZPLAY.DOC (Word document) and EZPlAY.TXT (a short text version). I hope this helps a lot of people! Cheers, Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 18:56:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22989 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:52:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14107; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:32:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:32:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14094; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:32:09 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] (pc-lab-112.primate.ucdavis.edu) by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA17631; Tue, 8 Feb 94 12:02:04 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 12:02:03 PST Message-Id: <9402082002.AA17631@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: BEST CARRYING CASES? Status: OR TP 750 Group Members: I need a nice carrying case for my TP. Currently I wrap it in an old tee shirt and use a briefcase. I don't think this affords maximum protection, and I constantly worry about it. Functionally and aesthetically the Targus "Premier Leather Case" seems nice; it is available in two sizes. Do the experienced notebook travellers in this group have any suggestions about what the best cases are? Thank you. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 19:42:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08759 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:38:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17019; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:24:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:24:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17012; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:24:28 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA07666; Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:24:30 PST Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA22528; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:19:28 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402090119.RAA22528@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: BEST CARRYING CASES? To: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:19:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402082002.AA17631@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 8, 94 12:02:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I need a nice carrying case for my TP. Currently I wrap it in an old tee > shirt and use a briefcase. I don't think this affords maximum protection, > and I constantly worry about it. Functionally and aesthetically the Targus > "Premier Leather Case" seems nice; it is available in two sizes. Do the > experienced notebook travellers in this group have any suggestions about > what the best cases are? Thank you. I have the "standard" IBM ThinkPad carrying case that works fine for me, but I am also very impressed with the "Port" carrying cases that use a suspension system to keep your notebook safe. Great design--but they're not cheap...then again, neither was your ThinkPad, so maybe its worth protecting. Look in your "Thank-You's from ThinkPad" booklet--there's a coupon. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 19:51:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11714 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:47:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17651; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:34:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:34:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17640; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:34:01 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA05113; Tue, 8 Feb 94 20:34:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 20:34:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402090134.AA05113@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: BEST CARRYING CASES? Status: OR my favorite case is the leather case that NEC makes for the Versa. It fits the TP750 and a couple of extra batteries very nicely, with odd compartments to spare for diskettes etc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 19:56:14 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:53:31 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06383 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:45:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA02245; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:25:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:25:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA02232; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:25:21 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwckj12172; Tue, 8 Feb 94 16:25:19 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18957; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:16:11 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14787; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:24:53 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07733; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:24:27 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:24:27 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9402082124.AA07733@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem Status: OR I'm also interested in using this modem under OS/2 so I called AT&T Paradyne to get to get a second confirmation of the earlier report. Sure enough, AT&T says OS/2 drivers are not available, OS/2 is not supported and they can't say when or even if it will be supported. I don't know what they've got on their BBS, but it sounds pretty clear to me. So what PCMCIA modems do have OS/2 drivers? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 22:57:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11897 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:53:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA28700; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:39:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:39:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA28626; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:39:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06880 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:37:50 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402090437.AA06880@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:37:48 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402082124.AA07733@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Feb 8, 94 01:24:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'm also interested in using this modem under OS/2 so I called AT&T Paradyne > to get to get a second confirmation of the earlier report. Sure enough, AT&T > says OS/2 drivers are not available, OS/2 is not supported and they can't say > when or even if it will be supported. I don't know what they've got on their > BBS, but it sounds pretty clear to me. Peter Forster has justed posted a message stating that there are new "easy-play" PCMCIA drivers for OS/2 out. He says that he has tested them with the AT&T KIT and they work. I will be d/l'ing them myself tonight and posting my report as well. I'm also curious in how they work with ethernet cards? Since I don't have one, I'll have to defer to the folks who do... > So what PCMCIA modems do have OS/2 drivers? Well, MHz is the only one that I know of. AT&T engineers have assured me that beta versions of the AT&T KIT OS/2 drivers will be available this month, but it seems to be a moot point with IBM updated drivers. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 06:38:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:33:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA04212; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:21:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:21:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA04205; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:21:34 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09608 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:21:36 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA08412; Wed, 9 Feb 94 06:26:51 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402091226.AA08412@kentucky> Subject: Re: AT&T KeepInTouch Modem To: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:26:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <40.292815.700.0CE16EE1@channel1.com> from "Joseph Pereira" at Feb 9, 94 00:58:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Status: OR ---> --->Subject: Re: AT&T KeepInTouch Modems ---> ---> --->>I want to thank Sean Chou for pointing out to me that the price --->> of these modems has just dropped --- one can now buy --->> them from Sparco (1-601-323-5360) for $280! ---> --->>I just saved $54 by waiting a week before ordering. ---> --->>So, I thought I would pass this info along! ---> --->1) Stanley, is this the same modem that has "updatable firmware" and has ---> a 16550 UART? --->2) What king of *guarantee* and* warranty* is being offered ---> by Sparco? ---> --->Is this thing about being able to upgrade to V.fast, with just software, --->for real? It just seems too good to be true. ---> --->If anyone out there can confirm this, I'm ordering one immediately! :) ---> --->Thanks Stanley for sharing your information with all of us! --->Joseph Pereira ---> Apparently, AT&T dropped the price to better compete with other manufacturers. From what I have been told, this is exactly the same modem that others on this mailing list have been writing about. The guarantee and warranty is no different than before --- my modem should be arriving later this week (3-day shipping was $10). Call SPARCO yourself it you want confirmation! SW -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From forster@ssnet.com Wed Feb 9 08:08:43 1994 Received: from marlin.ssnet.com (ssnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10467 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 08:05:58 -0600 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18293; Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:04:36 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091404.AA18293@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:04:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199402090437.AA06880@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 8, 94 10:37:48 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2051 Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : Peter Forster has justed posted a message stating that there are new : "easy-play" PCMCIA drivers for OS/2 out. He says that he has tested : them with the AT&T KIT and they work. I will be d/l'ing them myself : tonight and posting my report as well. : : I'm also curious in how they work with ethernet cards? Since I don't : have one, I'll have to defer to the folks who do... : Well, I also have an IBM PCMCIA ethernet card, and it, too, works with the EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers. Ethernet cards are not supported by the EasyPlay drivers themselves (for OS/2), but the driver that belongs to the card can be used. You just need to follow the instructions in the EasyPlay manual and enter a section for the ethernet card with 'Options=Ignore' into the AUTODRV2.INI file and load the card's driver (PCMNICCS.OS2 in my case) before the AUTODRV2.SYS driver in your CONFIG.SYS -- and you're all set! If there are any specific questions or problems with setting this up, I'll be glad to try to help. The only problem I have left with using the ethernet credit card is that I cannot enter suspend or hibernation mode as long as the driver PCMNICCS.OS2 is loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Depending on where in the CONFIG.SYS file I put the Advanced Power Management driver APM.SYS, the system either hangs whith only the mouse still working (if I have APM.SYS where the installation put it), or the system simply states that it cannot enter suspend/hibernate mode (if APM.SYS is the first DEVICE= statement; but then the 'Power' utility in the OS/2 System Setup says that the APM drivers weren't loaded -- go figure). Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 08:21:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13024 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 08:20:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10931; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10924; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:33 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18293; Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:04:36 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091404.AA18293@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:04:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402090437.AA06880@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 8, 94 10:37:48 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : Peter Forster has justed posted a message stating that there are new : "easy-play" PCMCIA drivers for OS/2 out. He says that he has tested : them with the AT&T KIT and they work. I will be d/l'ing them myself : tonight and posting my report as well. : : I'm also curious in how they work with ethernet cards? Since I don't : have one, I'll have to defer to the folks who do... : Well, I also have an IBM PCMCIA ethernet card, and it, too, works with the EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers. Ethernet cards are not supported by the EasyPlay drivers themselves (for OS/2), but the driver that belongs to the card can be used. You just need to follow the instructions in the EasyPlay manual and enter a section for the ethernet card with 'Options=Ignore' into the AUTODRV2.INI file and load the card's driver (PCMNICCS.OS2 in my case) before the AUTODRV2.SYS driver in your CONFIG.SYS -- and you're all set! If there are any specific questions or problems with setting this up, I'll be glad to try to help. The only problem I have left with using the ethernet credit card is that I cannot enter suspend or hibernation mode as long as the driver PCMNICCS.OS2 is loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Depending on where in the CONFIG.SYS file I put the Advanced Power Management driver APM.SYS, the system either hangs whith only the mouse still working (if I have APM.SYS where the installation put it), or the system simply states that it cannot enter suspend/hibernate mode (if APM.SYS is the first DEVICE= statement; but then the 'Power' utility in the OS/2 System Setup says that the APM drivers weren't loaded -- go figure). Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From forster@ssnet.com Wed Feb 9 09:20:06 1994 Received: from marlin.ssnet.com (ssnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03701 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:20:03 -0600 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19024; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:19:24 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:19:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 09:07:49 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1139 Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : I don't even know where the EasyPlay manuals are. I looked around the : disk for any sign of documentation but it seemed to be sorely lacking. : What's the name of the EasyPlay doc? These are two separate files in the THINKPAD library on CompuServe, called EZPLAY.DOC and EZPLAY.TXT, the latter containing only the last two pages of the Word document (.DOC) in text format. They are not on the Thinkpad Utilities Disk. : : Have you contacted IBM on this? I'd be interested in seeing it work : properly since I'd like to get a ethernet card someday... : Yes, I have, and they are working on it (i.e. trying to figure out where the problem lies). I'll post as soon as I have a definitive answer from them. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 09:21:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04429 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:21:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA14783; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:08:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:08:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA14773; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:08:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA00262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:50 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402091404.AA18293@marlin.ssnet.com> from "Peter Forster" at Feb 9, 94 09:04:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, I also have an IBM PCMCIA ethernet card, and it, too, works with the > EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers. Ethernet cards are not supported by > the EasyPlay drivers themselves (for OS/2), but the driver that belongs to > the card can be used. You just need to follow the instructions in the > EasyPlay manual and enter a section for the ethernet card with 'Options=Ignore' I don't even know where the EasyPlay manuals are. I looked around the disk for any sign of documentation but it seemed to be sorely lacking. What's the name of the EasyPlay doc? > The only problem I have left with using the ethernet credit card is that I > cannot enter suspend or hibernation mode as long as the driver PCMNICCS.OS2 Have you contacted IBM on this? I'd be interested in seeing it work properly since I'd like to get a ethernet card someday... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 09:41:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10924 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:41:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA15954; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:20:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:20:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA15928; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:20:17 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19024; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:19:24 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:19:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 09:07:49 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : I don't even know where the EasyPlay manuals are. I looked around the : disk for any sign of documentation but it seemed to be sorely lacking. : What's the name of the EasyPlay doc? These are two separate files in the THINKPAD library on CompuServe, called EZPLAY.DOC and EZPLAY.TXT, the latter containing only the last two pages of the Word document (.DOC) in text format. They are not on the Thinkpad Utilities Disk. : : Have you contacted IBM on this? I'd be interested in seeing it work : properly since I'd like to get a ethernet card someday... : Yes, I have, and they are working on it (i.e. trying to figure out where the problem lies). I'll post as soon as I have a definitive answer from them. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 09:43:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11378 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:42:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16241; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:24:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:24:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16230; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:24:50 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05314 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:24:39 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402091524.AA05314@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:24:33 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> from "Peter Forster" at Feb 9, 94 10:19:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > These are two separate files in the THINKPAD library on CompuServe, called > EZPLAY.DOC and EZPLAY.TXT, the latter containing only the last two pages of > the Word document (.DOC) in text format. They are not on the Thinkpad Utilities > Disk. Ah...well, I'll be sure to pick them up. They are quite nice seeming utilities, no? I just d/l'ed with my 16550 in the background while opening all sorts of windows and even running AVI files without a hitch. > Yes, I have, and they are working on it (i.e. trying to figure out where > the problem lies). I'll post as soon as I have a definitive answer from them. Great! I hope they solve it soon. From bktarkington@ucdavis.edu Wed Feb 9 13:10:27 1994 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17503 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:10:25 -0600 Received: from [128.120.18.112] (pc-lab-112.primate.ucdavis.edu) by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA28208; Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:00:12 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:00:10 PST Message-Id: <9402091900.AA28208@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sean Chou From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem Status: OR >As to the problems with FaxWorks...I assume you are talking about the >non-OS/2 version. You may want to check out the OS/2 version. I don't >know much about fax programs though since I don't really fax all that >much. I have the OS/2 version, and it works great. I recommend it highly. > >I'm glad to hear! Maybe I should start faxing... :) > I have gotten carried away with this capability and have sent about 80 so far. Its cheaper than mail. One page to the east coast costs me as little as $0.15. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 13:26:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23330 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:25:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA02463; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:41:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:41:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA02455; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:41:46 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26932; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:39:52 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00426; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:40:45 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01118; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:39:30 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:39:30 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: forster@ssnet.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> References: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> Status: OR Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without CompuServe accounts? Thanks - ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 14:45:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28160 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:45:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09242; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:53:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:53:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09235; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:53:57 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09029 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:53:58 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA09144; Wed, 9 Feb 94 13:59:17 CST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 13:59:17 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402091959.AA09144@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: AT&T KeepInTouch Modem Status: OR The warranty offered by Sparco is the standard 5 year warranty. Mine arrived today ... very fast response! SW From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 14:52:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01788 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:52:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11021; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:16:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:16:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11009; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:16:31 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21881; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:15:33 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402092015.AA21881@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:15:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 9, 94 10:39:30 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Bob Page writes: : : Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance : you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without : CompuServe accounts? Thanks - : : ..bob : I cannot put it on the site I am working through, but if someone can suggest a suitable ftp site, I'll be glad to upload them there. The mentioned ascii text file is only two pages long, so I'll just append it to this message. That should help getting started. The Word document is 12 pages long with nice graphics, explaining also the setup for DOS and Windows. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== (Note: this information was uploaded by Jaren Levitt to CompuServe THINKPAD Forum) USING PC Cards With the Auto Configurator/ Card Playing software... Using the Auto Configurator When a PC card is installed in the computer, the Auto Configurator enables the PC cards even when the device driver supplied with the PC card is not installed. The PC cards that ThinkPad 750 series supports with the Auto Configuator are listed in the PCMCIA.CRD file on Utilty Diskette. When the Auto Configurator is installed, the following line is added to CONFIG.SYS file: DEVICE=[DRIVE] [PATH] AUTODRV.SYS [DRIVE] [PATH] AUTODRV.INI The basic structure of the data file for the Auto Configurator (AUTODRIV.INI) is as follows: [Card name] CardID=card name Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... When Using a Modem Card When a modem card (assuming that it is listed in PCMCIA.CRD) is installed in the PC card slot, the Auto Configurator assings the IRQ level and the I/O window from the information in the data file (AUTODRV.INI) and data >from the modem. For example, the data file can look like this: [MODEM] CardID=MODEM,MD24X Port1=3F8,IRQ=4 Port1=2F8,IRQ=3 Port1=3E8,IRQ=3 Port1=2E8,IRQ=3 Starting from the first "Port1" line, the Auto Configurator tries to assign Port1=3F8, IRQ=4 for the modem. Suppose I/O port 3F8H is already by the system serial port, the Auto Configurator does not recognize your modem card, you must add an identification after the "CardID=MODEM" parameter for your modem card. Use the characters which are shown under "Card Information" in EasyPlaying to identify your modem. Write all characters in upper case: a maxiumum of five characters can be used. In the above example, MD24X is set to identify the modem card. Example of Not Using the Auto Configurator When you are using drivers that have the enabling function of the of the PC card on the card services, such as Ethernet NDIS MAC driver, you do not need to use the Auto Configurator. When you do not use the auto Configurator, add the following line after the CardID" parameter Option=Ignore For example: [Ethernet] CardID=ETHER Option=Ignore Port1=300,IRQ=5,Memory1=CC00,Waitstate=1 Example of the Memory Area for the Card Services and Token Ring The followingis an example of the memory area for the Card services and Token Ring. * A line in the CONFIG.SYS file. DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CFFF * Lines from the data file (AUTODRV.INI) [Token Ring] CardID=TOKEN Port1=A20,IRQ=9,Memory1=CA00,Memory2=D800,MemSize2=16,RingSpeed=4 Port1=A20,IRQ=9,Memory1=CA00,Memory2=CC00,MemSize2=16,RingSpeed=4 Memory1, Memory2 The base address of the memory window in hexadecimal segmant address. MemSize1,MemSize2 The size of the memory window in decimal (Kbyte unit) In the above example, the memory area for "Memory2" in the first "Port1" is not within the area specified by the "MA=" parameter and as a result, the Auto Configurator will not assign the Token Ring. The Auto Configurator will then assign the Token Ring from details of the second "Port1" line. Carefully check each application program for use so that the memory area is speified by the "MA=" parameter. Aplause Aplause Aplause Aplause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!! P.S. Copied from IBM document #82G4665 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 16:44:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23319 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:44:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA20960; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:27:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:27:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA20951; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:26:59 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14925 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:26:47 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:26:46 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 9, 94 10:39:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance > you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without > CompuServe accounts? Thanks - I will make it available at the same FTP site as I place the archives and the FAQs assuming it's not against some sort of IBM rule... The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll for a connection to the Internet. So far, ~650 voted yes and ~10 voted no. Keep your fingers crossed! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 17:32:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15410 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:32:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA24614; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA24606; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:32 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwcoj03160; Wed, 9 Feb 94 18:17:33 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22112; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:08:22 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA13680; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:17:07 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18732; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:16:38 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:16:38 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9402092316.AA18732@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards Status: OR > Bob Page writes: > : > : Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance > : you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without > : CompuServe accounts? Thanks - > : > : ..bob > : > > I cannot put it on the site I am working through, but if someone can suggest > a suitable ftp site, I'll be glad to upload them there. The mentioned ascii > text file is only two pages long, so I'll just append it to this message. > That should help getting started. The Word document is 12 pages long with > nice graphics, explaining also the setup for DOS and Windows. > > Peter You may be able to upload it to ftp.cdrom.com. They have an OS/2 archive that has an "ibm" directory for IBM supplied fixes. This seems appropriate since the EZplay stuff applies to OS/2 as well. New files are uploaded into the /pub/incoming directory, in which you'll find a README file that has a submission form. Since they normally want program submissions, it would be best to package up a zip file with the various drivers and documentation. I don't want to get anyone into any legal scuffles, so I would suggest contacting IBM first to see if it's okay with them for you to repackage and publically distribute the stuff. I would be willing to do this myself, but unfortunately I don't have the diskette or doc. Anyone want to send me a copy? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 18:17:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04223 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA26374; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:45:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:45:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA26356; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:44:59 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16238; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:44:56 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11175; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:46:02 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01335; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:44:46 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:44:46 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402092344.AA01335@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Status: OR > I will make it available at the same FTP site as I place the archives > and the FAQs assuming it's not against some sort of IBM rule... Great, thanks. And next you'll say where the FTP site is, right? :-) > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll NSC? Natl Semi? ..bob From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Wed Feb 9 19:46:58 1994 Received: from usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04143 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 19:46:55 -0600 Received: from phakt.usc.edu by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA24983; Wed, 9 Feb 94 17:47:08 PST Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by phakt.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA20996 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:42:04 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402100142.RAA20996@phakt.usc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:42:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 04:26:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1015 Status: OR > > > Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance > > you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without > > CompuServe accounts? Thanks - > > I will make it available at the same FTP site as I place the archives > and the FAQs assuming it's not against some sort of IBM rule... Can you tell me what the FTP site is? > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > for a connection to the Internet. So far, ~650 voted yes and ~10 > voted no. Keep your fingers crossed! I just logged on today--the number of "yes's" was over 700 (and I was one of them). What kind of an idiot would vote "No"? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 20:42:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21072 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:42:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA06109; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:24:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:24:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA06102; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:24:21 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA15582 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:24:10 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402100224.AA15582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: FAQ Site & NSC To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:24:09 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402092344.AA01335@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 9, 94 03:44:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Great, thanks. And next you'll say where the FTP site is, right? :-) Uh, sure...as soon as I know myself! :) Someone once sent me some sites to post them too, but I seem to have lost it. Can he please repost that FTP site where tons of FAQs and the such go? > > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > > NSC? Natl Semi? I have no idea what it means really. No one ever reads those intro screens. It's IBM's BBS though. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 21:59:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17715 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:59:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA10947; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:38:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:38:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA10940; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:38:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199402100338.WAA10940@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9557; Wed, 09 Feb 94 22:37:46 LCL Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 6804; Wed, 09 Feb 94 22:37:46 LCL Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin WPA@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with RFC822 id 2675; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:37:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 22:37 EST From: "Rick Andrew" Subject: 2.88 meg floppies for the TP750 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Does anybody know a good REASONABLY priced source for 2.88 meg floppies. I'd like to take full advantage of the TP's floppy drive but so far the best price I've been able to get on the 2.88 floppies is $65.00 for 10...Way, way out of the ballpark. If anyone has any good sources, I'd appreciate hearing about them. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 22:24:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24719 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:24:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA12881; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:00:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:00:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA12869; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:00:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199402100400.XAA12869@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: FAQ Site & NSC To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 20:00:50 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402100224.AA15582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 8:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > > > > NSC? Natl Semi? > > I have no idea what it means really. No one ever reads those intro > screens. It's IBM's BBS though. IBM National Support Center BBS. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 00:04:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21639 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:04:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA18907; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:39:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:39:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA18900; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:39:08 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14929; Thu, 10 Feb 94 00:39:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 00:39:03 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402100539.AA14929@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: WPA@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 2.88 meg floppies for the TP750 Status: OR Lyben sells them at about $39.00/10 (several different brands), that's about the cheapest that are available as far as I can tell. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 13:29:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27128 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:29:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA18581; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:50:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:50:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA18561; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:50:46 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA21277; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:50:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA25594; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:49:11 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402101849.KAA25594@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: 750 Ce To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:49:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402100749.AA21510@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Feb 10, 94 02:49:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Hey, anyone know if there will be an upgrade to the 750 Ce??? Seems rather > mean of IBM not to offer the Ce to everyone but hte Fortune 500's (special > bid) and overseas....:( Care to explain what exactly a 750Ce is? I know only of a 750, 750P (pen-based), 750Cs (Dual-Scan color), and 750C (Active-Matrix Color). So what's a Ce? I didn't even see that one at Comdex! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 14:13:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:13:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA21649; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:32:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:32:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA21640; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:32:42 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA19753; Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:32:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:32:12 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402101932.AA19753@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: 750 Ce Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR the TP750ce is a special order version of the TP750C with a 25/50 MHz DX2 instead of the 33MHz chip, and a VESA local bus video interface. Actually I would find it more interesting if it used the 33/66, a number of my programs actually run slower on a 25/50 than on a 33. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 16:51:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25479 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 16:50:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA04165; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:06:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:06:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA04158; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:06:17 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwcrw18684; Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:05:39 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24731; Thu, 10 Feb 94 13:56:27 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA09621; Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:05:16 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04834; Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:04:43 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:04:43 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9402102204.AA04834@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750 Ce Status: OR > the TP750ce is a special order version of the TP750C with a 25/50 MHz > DX2 instead of the 33MHz chip, and a VESA local bus video interface. > > Actually I would find it more interesting if it used the 33/66, a number > of my programs actually run slower on a 25/50 than on a 33. > I thought all of the 750's were VESA local bus, no? With the DX and it's itegrated FPU you probably would see a dramatic improvement in applications that do a lot of number crunching. But most benchmarks cover a wide range of applications and consider video and well as CPU and FPU performance. With the 33 Mhz CPU and the VESA local bus the 750 beats just about all DX 25 systems and quite a few DX/2 50 systems that don't have the local bus advantage. While shopping I compared benchmarks to the Gateway Colorbook DX/33 (which I bought and retured.) The 750 was far behind the Colorbook on individual number crunching tests, but overall the 750 kicked it's butt. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 17:04:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01630 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:03:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05793; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:28:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:28:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05769; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:28:38 -0500 Received: by aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09673; Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:27:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:27:23 -0500 From: powers@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (Clifton Powers) Message-Id: <9402102227.AA09673@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750Ce Status: OR >the TP750ce is a special order version of the TP750C with a 25/50 MHz >DX2 instead of the 33MHz chip, and a VESA local bus video interface. I thought the TP750C did have VESA local bus or is it external. From jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Fri Feb 11 02:37:53 1994 Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15230 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 02:37:52 -0600 Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10074; Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:36:23 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA760966672 Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:37:52 EST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:37:52 EST From: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9401117609.AA760966672@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: re: FAQ Site Status: OR The FIRST place I look for FAQ's is rtfm.mit.edu (rtfm, of course, stands for Read-The-Fine-Manual). You might want to check out index.almaden.ibm.com This definetely works as a gopher server and has a section for user-generated files. I think it also responds as an ftp site but I haven't checked that recently. BTW, I am eagerly awaiting seeing the tp750 FAQ. It will be nice to have a summary of how to do it stuff that we know works! __________________________original message______________________________ > Great, thanks. And next you'll say where the FTP site is, right? :-) Uh, sure...as soon as I know myself! :) Someone once sent me some sites to post them too, but I seem to have lost it. Can he please repost that FTP site where tons of FAQs and the such go? > > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > > NSC? Natl Semi? I have no idea what it means really. No one ever reads those intro screens. It's IBM's BBS though. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 12:04:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11249 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:04:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24513; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:20:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:20:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24500; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:20:39 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23414 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 11:20:26 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402111720.AA23414@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: FAQ Site To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 11:20:25 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401117609.AA760966672@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu" at Feb 11, 94 03:37:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > BTW, I am eagerly awaiting seeing the tp750 FAQ. It > will be nice to have a summary of how to do it stuff > that we know works! Great! Thanks for the FTP site. I haven't been able to work on the FAQ much lately since I've been bogged down with work, but I will get a chance next week. I can load what I have up there if the people on this list express an interest in a pre-finished-beta FAQ. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 14:35:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19815 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 14:34:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08053; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:02:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:02:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08040; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:02:34 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14047 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 94 14:50:53 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E17010; Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:22:34 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Surge Suppression From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.295100.700.0CE17010@channel1.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 00:02:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Subject: Surge Suppression Greetings..... 1) Anyone happen to know if the 750c has a built-in Surge Suppresser? If not, is there a portable one out there? Joseph Pereira 2) Anyone have any opinions on either the Colorado or Iomega (parallel port) Tape Backups? Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 16:25:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04165 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:25:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA16285; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:43:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:43:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA16277; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:43:35 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 94 13:43 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA07265; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:43:02 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:43:02 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9402112143.AA07265@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com Subject: Re: Surge Suppression X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Not responding directly to your email, I wanted to say that I have a Colorado (250 MB) tape backup on my desktop. Using 'interlnk/intersvr', I have defined my TP hard disk as the desktop's "g:" disk. Then I used my normal tape backup procedures to backup the "g:" drive. I didn't measure the time exactly, but it was about 3X the time it takes to backup the desktop's (almost same size) disk. I was quite pleased with the result. It meant I didn't have to buy a tape drive for the TP. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- 2) Anyone have any opinions on either the Colorado or Iomega (parallel port) Tape Backups? Joseph ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 16:33:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06648 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:33:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17279; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:57:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:57:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17272; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:57:42 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 94 13:57 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA07307; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:57:05 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:57:05 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9402112157.AA07307@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com, lenj@oes.amdahl.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Surge Suppression X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Sorry, I should have been more specific. Those are utilities of MS-DOS and PC-DOS. They are executed from the DOS prompt, but when you enter Windows, their services are still available. If you want more particulars, take a look in any DOS 6+ manual. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Fri Feb 11 13:52 PST 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 16:50:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com, lenj@oes.amdahl.com Subject: Re: Surge Suppression what operating systenm does interlnk/intersrvr run under? ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 20:54:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08118 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:54:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02880; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:37:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:37:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02871; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:37:19 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04353 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:37:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402120237.AA04353@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Surge Suppression To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:37:08 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <40.295100.700.0CE17010@channel1.com> from "Joseph Pereira" at Feb 11, 94 00:01:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > 1) Anyone happen to know if the 750c has a built-in Surge Suppresser? > If not, is there a portable one out there? Joseph Pereira I know of a surge supressor called LapTrax. It costs $59 from Tiger Software and appears to have insurance to cover your notebook from accidents as well as theft. I didn't believe it until I saw it show up in PC/Magazine new trends article. > 2) Anyone have any opinions on either the Colorado or Iomega (parallel > port) Tape Backups? I'd like one but they seem to be only supported by DOS/Win right now. That pretty much precludes me since I use OS/2. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 20:55:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:55:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02911; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:39:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:39:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02904; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:39:36 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04712 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:39:26 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402120239.AA04712@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Interlink To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:39:26 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402112150.AA26735@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 11, 94 04:50:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > what operating systenm does interlnk/intersrvr run under? I've talked to OS/2 tech support about this (not saying that they're always right, or even often right). They say that an OS/2 machine can act as a client but not a server due to the way Interserver accesses the disk. I've found it necessary to start up a "Real" DOS session (via boot image) to even load the drivers though. I haven't yet tried to connect but I plan to soon. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 13 01:34:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:34:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16337; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:14:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:14:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16330; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:14:26 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09736 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:14:15 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402130714.AA09736@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Surge Suppression To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:14:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402122113.NAA13859@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 12, 94 01:13:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > They do make a parallel-port version. I'm not certain whether they > have OS/2 software (of if it is necessary) unique to it, but I do know they > have OS/2 software for the "regular" version. I'll call them tomorrow and post to the group about it. > Are you using it for backups or are you trying to swap 100MB of > data with other people? Eh, both really, but my main priority is backing up my own data. I also use it to transport some files back and forth or to setup different computers (I have my TP and a desktop - well, actually it's my roommate's). > durable/reliable if the tape should be damaged. I've heard of people > retrieving tapes from fires and though they couldn't read it, sending it > back to the company allowed them to retrieve all of the data. Hmm...very impressive! > Give 'em a call and find out about the parallel--I know the parallel > had its own DOS version of EZTape that wouldn't work with the "standard" > version of EZTape, so that may be a problem under OS/2--in which case you'll > either have to get the "normal" Irwin Accutrak or figure something else > out... Well, I have a Colorado DJ20 right now in my roommate's desktop (it's my tape drive though). I was wondering if I could just set up a network and back up over that...using something like BackMaster. I realize it'd be overkill to setup a network for that but I also want to learn more about them... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 13 23:29:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28399 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:29:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA08729; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA08722; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25395 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:18:22 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402140518.AA25395@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Tapes, Interlink, and such... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:18:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402140124.RAA27551@girtab.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 13, 94 05:24:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I've been tempted for some time to do that with my notebook/desktop > setup--but I can't really justify the cost except with minor convenience. I'd think of it as an educational experience. I've even thought of picking up maybe a 386 to act as a server for one other desktop and my notebook. It'd be interesting! > I even looked into a wireless setup by RangeLAN that would have allowed a > lot of freedom of movement, but at a stiff price (about $500 or more, I think) > and a penalty of only about 10% of the transfer speed of a wired network. Eck. Too much performance hit... I'd like to see it someday though! > But it would have been easy for me--just something simple like Win > for Workgroups...I'm quite surprised that OS/2 2.1 does not have some simple > built-in peer-to-peer networking though. I've heard that OS/2 2.2 will have peer-to-peer either built-in or as an option. I'd definately like to see that! > Ya forced me to dig out my Irwin manual, but here it is: Ah, thanks a lot! :) BTW, I tried the Interlink setup under OS/2. I got some interesting results. An OS/2 machines can act as a client with no problems to a DOS machine. However, when I tried to setup an OS/2 machine to act as a server, it kind of worked. All access to FAT partitions were fine. It reported the existence of my HPFS partitions, but it wouldn't allow me to use it. Of note is that I had to put both Interlink and Interserver in disk image DOS sessions. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 02:15:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00688 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:15:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16723; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16716; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:54 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9402140757.AA28958@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Question about the Xircom Ethernet/Modem PCMCIA To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi, does anyone have any experience using the Xircom 14.4 Modem/Ethernet dual card? Thanks. I'm interested in using the card w/ OS/2, DOS, Windows, and Linux on my TP 750C 4/340. (getting a 16 Mb upgrade soon) This card looks ideal since it uses only one slot and does two functions. Any comments? -- Derek From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 03:35:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 03:35:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA25990; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:26:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:26:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA25981; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:25:59 -0500 Received: by spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0pVzZL-0002yWC; Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:26 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:26 GMT From: clifford@jesus.ox.ac.uk (Dr Peter Clifford) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Parallel port ethernet Status: OR Introduction: My name is Peter Clifford, I teach mathematics at Oxford. Problem: I bought a Thinkpad 700 and have been trying to connect it to the University ethernet (PCNFS). I used a Genius parallel port ethernet adaptor, which is supposed to be self-configuring. There is a programme supplied PEAPD.COM to do this. This works fine on any ordinary PC ie straight Taiwanese clones, but fails with the Thinkpad. Any ideas? I realise this is not 750 business but this list is the closest approximation to a 700 list I could find. I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Maybe someone has managed to get another make of parallel port ethernet adaptor working on a 700? Peter Clifford From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Feb 14 05:57:13 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00283 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 05:57:10 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22939; Mon, 14 Feb 94 06:57:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 06:57:25 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402141157.AA22939@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Tapes, Interlink, and such... Status: OR I assume you used the HPFS file driver in your disk image DOS session From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 10:02:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12592 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:02:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28299; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:41:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:41:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28292; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:41:25 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:41:14 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402141541.AA04813@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Trouble w/ PCMCIA, PortRepl and Extr.Monitor To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:41:12 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <01H8VBYWDVDIC6B56T@finabo.abo.fi> from "Antti Kilpinen, Abo Akademi University, tel. +358-21-654683" at Feb 14, 94 09:12:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > My problem is horizontal lines in the external display when the PCMCIA ethernet > card is attached and its NDIS-driver is loaded. The horizontal lines move up > and down and vary in their intensity. They are very disturbing. If I remove the > PCMCIA-card they disappear. Also, If the card is inside the TP750s own slots > the lines are almost nonexistent ( they still are there). The artifacts become > more visible if lower resolution is used. They thus seem to be pixel > bound somehow. I had a similar problem with my tp750C. I had horizontal lines that crossed the screen on powerup and would remain for several minutes. I called IBM and they said it was a known BIOS bug. Although I sent my machine in for a new screen as well as the BIOS fix, I believe they said that the fix can be downloaded as well. Contact IBM warranty service and ask them about that fix. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 10:09:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:09:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA29023; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:51:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:51:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA29008; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:51:13 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:51:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402141551.AA07813@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Networks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:51:01 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402141530.HAA08053@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 14, 94 07:29:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > My wife's work is buying new computers and dumping their old ones > soon (which aren't exactly total junk--386's (16 or 20 MHz) with 4MB memory) > and she wants to grab one of them and bring it home for herself. I would do it; why not? Throw in a sound card, cheapo cd-rom, and you have yourself a game machine... > figured if she had "her" machine, I wouldn't have any reason to get on her > about it--it'll be her very own baby. Nyah, you'll take that over too! :) I know I would. But it would be nice to have around to do various experiments on. > Is there some sort of 3rd party method for OS/2 to be networked? > (Dumb question, I know--I'm *sure* there is one--I'm just not aware of it.) Well, I think you could use TCP/IP as an expensive method of networking. There's also IBM OS/2 LAN server, which is _much_ more expensive... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 10:16:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17755 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:16:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28710; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:47:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:47:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28701; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:47:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06590 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:47:08 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402141547.AA06590@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Tapes, Interlink, and such... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:47:08 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402141157.AA22939@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 14, 94 06:57:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I assume you used the HPFS file driver in your disk image DOS session Well, I can access the HPFS partitions from my image DOS session, but apparently, Interlink has problems doing it... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 13:42:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19015 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 13:42:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12847; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:08:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:08:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from denver.ssds.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12838; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:07:53 -0500 Received: from localhost.sanjose.ssds.com by sanjose.ssds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-SSDSnet.sanjose.940125) id AA18848; Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:06:17 PST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Removable HD Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 11:06:16 -0800 Message-Id: <18847.761252776@sanjose.ssds.com> From: Chris Swanson Status: OR Greetings, Is the removable HD a standard 2.5" IDE? If so, does anybody know where you can get (or if you can get) the carriers the drive fits into that then "docks" in the laptop? Regards, -+Chris +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | @@@ @@@ @@@@ @@@ | SSDS, Inc. | Chris Swanson | | @ @ @ @ @ | 2900 Gordon Ave. | Member, Professional Staff | | @@@ @@@ @ @ @@@ | Suite 103 | Tel: (408)/773-8476 x102 | | @ @ @ @ @ | Santa Clara, CA | FAX: (408)/773-8182 | | @@@@ @@@@ @@@@ @@@@ | 95051 | Email: cds@ssds.com | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | ** The Intelligent Network Computing Company ** | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 01:36:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26863 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 01:36:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA29935; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 02:27:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 02:27:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA29925; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 02:27:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199402150727.CAA29925@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Removable HD To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 23:27:05 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <18847.761252776@sanjose.ssds.com>; from "Chris Swanson" at Feb 14, 94 11:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Is the removable HD a standard 2.5" IDE? If so, does anybody > know where you can get (or if you can get) the carriers the drive fits > into that then "docks" in the laptop? According to one of the guys on the TP350 development team, yes, it's a standard 2.5" IDE drive in a non-standard case. The only thing you have to watch out for is that the new drive doesn't exceed power or current draw specs. I have had zero luck trying to find out what these specs are. In fact, I have had zero luck trying to convince any of the tech support people that the drive is in some sort of case (so I can use a 3rd party drive and not have to sell my current one). Apparently they've never seen a bare hard drive. If you put a 3rd party drive in there, it's obviously not covered by the ThinkPad warranty, but any problems caused by that drive are also not covered by the warranty. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 04:19:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17631 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 04:19:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA15079; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:06:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:06:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA15072; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:06:03 -0500 Received: by spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0pWMfc-0002yWC; Tue, 15 Feb 94 10:06 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 10:06 GMT From: clifford@jesus.ox.ac.uk (Dr Peter Clifford) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Parallel port ethernet (tcp/ip) Status: OR Thanks for the moral support. The Genius parallel port adapter comes with a program called PEAPD.COM (pocket ethernet adaptor packet driver) which is supposed to look for the adaptor. When it finds the adaptor it reports 'success' and puts the ethernet address of the adaptor on the screen. After that the network software can get to work (PCNFS). So you can check the first stage by just running PEAPD ie you don't need to get the Network software going. The advantage of this is that you can strip the config.sys and autoexec.bat files down to zero to eliminate any possible clashes. Anyway, with the Thinkpad 700 you get 'fail'. I tried Genius technical support (UK) -- they said they had had two reports about a similar problem and suggested changing a few things in the CMOS, which produced no improvement. My guess is that the CMOS changes might fix things for the Novell driver but they do nothing for the tcp/ip driver that I need for PCNFS. I also suspect that the user base is very small in the UK. Does Genius sell in the USA, if so can anyone provide the technical support telephone number? By the way IBM help, was pretty worthless. They suggest that I might like to buy an external MCA box... Of course, this problem could just be something to do with the Thinkpad being a PS2 machine, but I don't know how this might result in PEAPD failing to find the parallel port. Peter Clifford From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 06:58:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02643 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 06:58:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA00589; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:39:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:39:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA00582; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:39:21 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:22/EUnetD-2.4.2.a) via EUnet id NAA29393; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:40:00 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 13:36:17 +0100 Message-Id: <9402151236.AA20471@osix.Materna.DE> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hello Status: OR Dear TP750 user! I'm new to this list and I was asked to introduce myself and my environment: My name is Klaus Eckhoff, I am 35 years old and I am working for a German company called Dr. Materna GmbH with about 300 employes. I got my TP750C last week, for the moment with 4MB RAM and 170MB hard disk. I ordered the 8MB RAM extension and a second 340 MB hard disk but delivery is delayed for some days (weeks?). My primary goal with the TP is, to use it as a portable UNIX box (340 MB disk) as also in the "normal" way as an MS windows based system running MS office applications. For the moment the only UNIX I've seen running on TP is SCO, which is one of the platforms we support with our products. I am still seeking for a PCMCIA Ethernet adaptor supported by SCO UNIX as also by Novell LAN Workplace TCP. I would also be interested to run UnixWare on the TP, but this seems to be incompatible for the moment. My future plans include the integration of an PCMCIA ISDN adaptor (my company is involved in the ISDN business), to get a portable multifunctual office platform including email, host access etc. I also intend to order the TP docking station and to replace my current dektop PC with it (of course with external monitor and external keyboard). Unfortunately I cannot get any technical specification of the docking station from my vendor, so I am still wondering what I have to order to do this. My questions in this area are (maybe some of you can help me with this): 1.) What is included with the docking station (CD-ROM, SCSI, power supply)? 2.) What type of SCSI controller is used? Is it supported by SCO? 3.) What are these port replictors are used for? 4.) Why can you order the removeable harddisk in two colours? It's hidden under the keyboard! Thank you all for your help! --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-44141 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 07:27:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04929 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:27:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA02837; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA02830; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:35 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11281; Tue, 15 Feb 94 08:11:56 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA761328813 Tue, 15 Feb 94 08:13:33 EST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 08:13:33 EST Message-Id: <9401157613.AA761328813@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: tp750 and LINUX Status: OR Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: W: recommendations for Linux capable laptop From: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Date: 10 Feb 1994 21:07:55 GMT Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu Organization: Univ. of Tenn. Computer Science, Knoxville Lines: 22 In article , tdt@domino.hq.verdix.com (Tim Thorpe) writes: > I am in the market for a laptop machine that is capable of running > Linux (a free un*x). Also, I want to be able to bring the machine up > with DOS/Windows when the need arises in order to do some > spreadsheeting or whatever. > > Generally, though I want to have some level of un*x development > ability while "on the road" since I`m doing quite a bit of travel. The > applications would themselves be small though I would potentially want > to link in X11 libraries. Whatever you do, DON'T get a ThinkPad. I've been beating my head against the wall for several months trying to get Linux running acceptably. I have it running (barely), but it's still not up to snuff. IBM's technical documentation is useless, and their support people are friendly (and occasionally paranoid) but not very helpful. -- Keith Moore / U.Tenn CS Dept / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN 37996-1301 Internet: moore@cs.utk.edu BITNET: moore@utkvx The Secretary will disavow any knowledge of my actions. ___________________________ What does 'not up to snuff'mean? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 07:43:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06630 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:43:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA03982; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:31:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:31:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA03969; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:30:53 -0500 Received: from etca.etca.fr (etca.fr) by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA14135; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 14:30:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from saturne.xcapt by etca.etca.fr, Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:32:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:32:29 +0100 From: Antoine de Maricourt Message-Id: <9402151332.AA00452@etca.etca.fr> Received: by saturne.xcapt (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11455; Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:29:46 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401157613.AA761328813@warren.med.harvard.edu> (jbormel@warren.med) Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Status: OR > I am in the market for a laptop machine that is capable of running > Linux (a free un*x). Also, I want to be able to bring the machine up > with DOS/Windows when the need arises in order to do some > spreadsheeting or whatever. Whatever you do, DON'T get a ThinkPad. I've been beating my head against the wall for several months trying to get Linux running acceptably. I have it running (barely), but it's still not up to snuff. IBM's technical documentation is useless, and their support people are friendly (and occasionally paranoid) but not very helpful. Oops! I was just about to order a TP in order to run Linux. There was an article in Unix World (january 94) saying it was "THE machine for the Unix road warrior". It's true they only tested SCO, but... What's wrong? Antoine. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 11:04:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07403 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:04:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18127; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:41:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:41:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18120; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id LAA05781; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:32:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151632.LAA05781@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: jbormel@warren.med Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:33 EST." <9401157613.AA761328813@warren.med.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:32:32 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > What does 'not up to snuff'mean? Let's see: the networking code is still useless; the power switch doesn't work (it's under some sort of undocumented software control); the floppy drive sort of works but linux can't tell when the diskette gets changed, which is bad because linux tries to cache floppy disk sectors (even if you unmount/remount the drive!); there's no way to use the external display; no support for the SCSI adapter or CDROM drive in the dock; no power management features. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 11:29:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:29:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA20443; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA20436; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA03499; Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:12:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:12:40 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402151712.AA03499@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jbormel@warren.med, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Somewhere I read that someone got the drive change to work under Linux by changing the sense of the test. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 11:51:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24913 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:51:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA21980; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:31:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:30:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA21970; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:30:55 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id MAA05820; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151721.MAA05820@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:40 EST." <9402151712.AA03499@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:21:56 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Somewhere I read that someone got the drive change to work under Linux by > changing the sense of the test. That was probably me. Linux was originally unable to talk to the floppy because the disk change line appeared to be asserted every time it looked. I read in the data sheet for the floppy controller chip that on some PCs the line has an inverted sense, so I patched Linux to change the sense of every line that tested that bit. Now Linux can read and write floppies but if you take a floppy out of the tp750, write some files on it from a different system, and put it back in the tp750, it doesn't see the changes. So I'm guessing that the state of the line never really changes, or if it does, Linux never sees the change. Looks like a hardware bug to me. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 12:05:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01950 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:05:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA22899; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA22892; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:18 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04260; Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:48:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:48:24 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402151748.AA04260@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR and yet it certainly is the case that the disk change sensing works fine under OS/2 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 13:04:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02351 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:03:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27351; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27340; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:43 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id NAA05955; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:34:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151834.NAA05955@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:24 EST." <9402151748.AA04260@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:34:36 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > and yet it certainly is the case that the disk change sensing works fine > under OS/2 Well, that's another data point. Of course, it's possible to accomplish this without actually looking at the disk change line. To be clear: I don't know specifcally what's different about the floppy disk drive in the tp750, but it won't work with Linux at all without some modification to the code that looks at the disk change signal, and I haven't found a fix that allows Linux to function properly. It seems clear that the drive/controller combination in the TP750 is incompatible with those in most other machines; Linux works unmodified on most machines, but not on the thinkpad. Neither did IBM document the differences in their Technical Reference Manual for the ThinkPad 750. I'm not likely to investigate this particular phenomenon any further, because I've pretty much given up on Linux for other reasons. (I'm currently trying to get NetBSD 0.9 to run, and in doing so have found a *different* set of incompatibilities that prevent it from working as-is.) Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 13:10:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05382 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:10:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27530; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:45:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:45:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27475; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:45:19 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA12839; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA05123; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:19 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402151845.KAA05123@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402151632.LAA05781@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Feb 15, 94 11:32:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > What does 'not up to snuff'mean? > > Let's see: the networking code is still useless; the power switch > doesn't work (it's under some sort of undocumented software > control); the floppy drive sort of works but linux can't tell when > the diskette gets changed, which is bad because linux tries to cache > floppy disk sectors (even if you unmount/remount the drive!); there's > no way to use the external display; no support for the SCSI adapter > or CDROM drive in the dock; no power management features. It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 13:19:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09829 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:19:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA28454; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:55:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:55:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA28434; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:55:31 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id NAA06001; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:46:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151846.NAA06001@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Randal Whittle Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:19 PST." <199402151845.KAA05123@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:46:33 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the > ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. > > Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable > if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. Doesn't follow. I had earlier reports that SCO UNIX did NOT work on the ThinkPad 750. Perhaps they've fixed it since then. SCO has a long history of being good at getting their system to work on a lot of different kinds of hardware. Considering the variety of stuff out there, with so many different degrees of brokenness, this is nothing short of amazing. But it is understandable that commercial UNIX vendors can better afford to investigate and fix such incompatibilities, than can the volunteers who maintain free software. If the TP750 hardware were really compatible, anything that ran on most ISA-bus machines would also run on a TP750. This is not the case. Just think -- by making the TP750 incompatible, IBM is helping to keep SCO in business! Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 19:01:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11655 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:01:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA23040; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:35:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:35:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA22965; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:35:17 -0500 Received: from phakt.usc.edu (whittle@phakt.usc.edu [128.125.253.144]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA07553; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:35:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by phakt.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA26326; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:35:12 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402160035.QAA26326@phakt.usc.edu> Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:35:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402151846.NAA06001@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Feb 15, 94 01:46:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the > > ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. > > > > Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable > > if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. > > Doesn't follow. I had earlier reports that SCO UNIX did NOT work on the > ThinkPad 750. Perhaps they've fixed it since then. Maybe so--but the point I was making is that SCO Unix (from reports I've heard) works very well on the ThinkPad. > SCO has a long history of being good at getting their system to work on a lot of > different kinds of hardware. Considering the variety of stuff out there, with > so many different degrees of brokenness, this is nothing short of amazing. > > But it is understandable that commercial UNIX vendors can better afford to > investigate and fix such incompatibilities, than can the volunteers who maintain > free software. No doubt--a point I hadn't considered. But then again, I didn't consider that SCO Unix may have come up with a "fix" of some sort. I was under the impression that it worked out of the box. > If the TP750 hardware were really compatible, anything that ran on most ISA-bus > machines would also run on a TP750. This is not the case. Name a notebook that *is* "really" compatible! I learned the hard way that notebooks (in general) are *not*. That is one of the reasons I spent the money on a "big name" notebook computer this time (didn't necessarily have to be IBM, but some "big name" like Toshiba, Compaq...etc.). I don't know why exactly, but for some reason they always change a little thing here or there in Notebook machines--its inevitable. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 19:20:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17707 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:20:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA24263; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA24256; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:42 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06304; Tue, 15 Feb 94 19:51:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 19:51:01 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402160051.AA06304@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR "Of course it's possible to accomplish this without looking at the disk change line" I don't see how, without reading the diskette, and OS/2 definitely does NOT read the diskette if you don't change it and for example redisplay the directory, but as soon as you flip a new disk in, it rereads the directory. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 21:29:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02284 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:29:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA03070; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:05:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:05:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA03064; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:05:24 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id VAA06455; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:56:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199402160256.VAA06455@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:01 EST." <9402160051.AA06304@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:56:26 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > "Of course it's possible to accomplish this without looking at the disk > change line" > > I don't see how, without reading the diskette, and OS/2 definitely does NOT > read the diskette if you don't change it and for example redisplay the > directory, but as soon as you flip a new disk in, it rereads the directory. The other way to detect disk changes does indeed require reading the disk. If OS/2 doesn't do that, then there must be some way to get the disk change line to work. If you find out what it is, please let us know. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 21:53:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10422 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:53:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA05042; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:32:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:32:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA05035; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:32:18 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07322; Tue, 15 Feb 94 22:32:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 22:32:25 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402160332.AA07322@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR I am sure by observation that OS/2 knows when the disk has changed without reading it, but I have no idea how! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 10:18:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05327 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:17:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA01749; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:56:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:56:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA01726; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:56:01 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21830; Wed, 16 Feb 94 10:54:17 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA761424935 Wed, 16 Feb 94 10:55:35 EST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 10:55:35 EST Message-Id: <9401167614.AA761424935@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 Status: OR Don't bother reading this if you're not running OS/2. I've always had some annoying problems with my video drivers under OS/2. Part of the problem is that the install procedures are wrong and the fix is a blecherous hack. The problems manifest only in OS/2 DOS boxes and Win-OS2 (via OS/2 for windows). I'm asking if others are having no problems because they've got the config right, OR if others are having the same problem and I should lighten up until new drivers are available. I also want to get my facts straight before chatting with IBM (again) about this. I am able to run 1024x768 in both OS/2 and DOS/win with automatic detection of external monitor and selection of highest resolution. Very nice! Problem: in OS/2 DOS window, errors occur when scrolling (characters persist from other lines) for example, with Norton Commander. These are not present in full-screen (FS) mode. They also occur with other screen-form programs and editors in a window and not FS. I've tried every concievable SETTINGS combination relating to video. Also, these problems do not occur on my other computers using other drivers with the same programs. Problem 2: in Windows, going to WinOS2 full screen, then OS/2 desktop, then back to WinOS2 full screen, the video rendition has remenants of the OS/2 desktop. (ok, I've seen this with other drivers). But, sometimes WinOS2 full screen is unusable because the font is gone, or, the video is completely unsynched. WinOS2 seamless works for many applications (like filer, clock, program manager) but some Visual Basic code is too much for it. And there's that darn issue of windows stealing colors from the palatte, so I'm happy just running windows full screen, if only I could get the video driver stable when switching back and forth to the OS/2desktop. (This problem sneaks up because if you launch a DOS program from Windows over OS/2, OS/2 gives you a DOS box on the OS/2 desktop, not the WIN-OS2 desktop. So, you have to go back to windows desktop which doesn't come back reliably.) Problem 3: when running WIN 3.1on DOS, after OS/2 for windows has been installed: The video driver set up precludes runing a DOS box, giving the INVALID VERSION message. This one I've got a work around for, shown in the SYSTEM.INI excerpts below. (But, you have to do this edit everytime you switch operating systems). My Configuration: SYSTEM.INI - This info comes from IBM's readme: in [boot] section ... display.drv=vgac24.drv sdisplay.drv=wspdssf.drv in [boot.description] section .(ONE of the following sdisplay.drv= stmts) sdisplay.drv=640x480x256 Small fonts 512K Paradise sdisplay.drv=800x600x256 Small fonts 512K Paradise sdisplay.drv=1024x768x256 Small fonts 512K Paradise in [386Enh] section ... display=*vddvga <----- (my experience) incompatible with running DOS in WIN31 --------------------------------------------------- My Config: SYSTEM.INI -- This is not in IBM's read me. What is the required here for: in [boot] section ... fdisplay.drv=vgac24.drv in [boot.description] fdisplay.drv=VGA in [386Enh] display=VDDC24.386 (this is different from IBM's rec above, but it fixes Incorrect system error in WIN31 over DOS. Win-OS/2 doesn't work right though. ) My video driver files (partial list) dates are shown below: monsvga9 vdp 3084 9-16-93 1:00a vesa exe 11119 11-27-93 1:07a vinstall doc 6618 9-16-93 1:00a Any comments are welcome. BTW, anybody tried the IBM/OS-2's other Western Digital video drivers, like the wd90c1X or wd90c3x which are shipped with OS/2. Thanks. Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 17:49:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24598 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:49:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA15210; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:31:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:31:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA15196; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:30:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17728 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:30:44 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402162330.AA17728@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Hello IBM! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:30:43 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR To all the mailing list, I'm pleased to say that we have an IBM representative on board now. His name is John Conrad and he has kindly taken on the task of monitoring this mailing list and TRYING to help with any problems we are having. Since I don't know whether or not his appearance is "official", please just assume it's not (hence, this is not to replace technical support at IBM) unless he tells us otherwise... Once again, thanks Mr. Conrad for helping us out! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 17:49:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24637 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:49:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14891; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:28:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:28:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14884; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:28:02 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16512 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:27:52 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402162327.AA16512@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:27:50 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401167614.AA761424935@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu" at Feb 16, 94 10:55:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I've always had some annoying problems with my video drivers under OS/2. > Part of the problem is that the install procedures are wrong and the fix is a > blecherous hack. Are you referring to "my" fix? The copying files bit and so forth? If not, then you may want to do that.... > for, shown in the SYSTEM.INI excerpts below. (But, you have > to do this edit everytime you switch operating systems). Your best bet here is to make two copies of the SYSTEM.INI and place them in your autoexec.bat and startup.cmd to copy it upon starting any OS... Well, I realize I didn't help you much... As to the disappearing DOS characters, I think I may have seen that happening a few times, but they were mainly with comm apps, which I attributed to a bad line.... But then again, I run OS/2 2.1. I had OS/2 for Windows installed for a while but went back to OS/2 when I had to do a reinstall... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 17:52:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:52:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14437; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:20:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:20:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14430; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:20:30 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13559 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:20:19 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402162320.AA13559@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:20:18 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402151845.KAA05123@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 15, 94 10:45:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the > ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. Well, it may be that Linux is just lacking in support for the TP750. Keith, as you know, has single-handedly (apparently) taken on the task of making it more supportable. But many other UNIXes don't work with the TP750 as well, it seems. I've heard that System V doesn't work (hey, if that don't work...). Another problem is that the TP750 series was most likely designed with "standard" PC OS's in mind...DOS/Win and OS/2. Someone wanted to run NeXT on it...I'd like to see whatever came of that... > Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable > if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. I wouldn't say it's a cheapo thingy... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 20:10:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10639 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:10:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22210; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22203; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:42 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19217; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:38:37 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <63638.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR In message Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:32 EST, jbormel@warren.med writes: > No one knew what problems it fixes. I tried looking on CI$ > but realized I didn't know exactly what I was looking for. That > cost me several minutes of connect time for nothing. Aimless > searching of IBM ftp sites was unproductive but atleast it was free > of connect costs to me. Now that I have my offline mail processor up and working again I can pass along some notes. The IBM ftp sites probably will not have any ThinkPad specific stuff for a while. software.watson.ibm.com is an experimental ftp site, and for anything to show up on it, the department that wrote the software has to contact the sysop directly. I've been trying to get the right people at IBM to talk with each other so we can get TP stuff on s.w.i.c but they both insist that I tell the other to make the phone call. Arrrgh. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 20:10:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10780 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:10:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22223; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22214; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:50 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19223; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:38:45 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <63647.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: screen brightness Status: OR In message Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:35:55 -0500 (EST), "Andrew A. Houghton" writes: > > There is an undocument command for the ps2 program: > > ps2 BR N -- normal screen brightness > ps2 BR E -- economy mode brightness Does anyone know if there's a way to turn off the backlight without turning off the LCD? I noticed the (mono) display works very nicely with sunlight behind me, much better than with the sun in front so I'm guessing there's a reflective backing behind the screen. If that's the case, there's no need to have the backlight on, giving maybe an extra hour or two of battery life. I tried the standby mode just to see if it works, but it turns the backlight AND the LCD off (the screen turns completely black). -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 17 23:47:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22867 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:47:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA17721; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:15:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:15:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA17714; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:15:20 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14037 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:15:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402180515.AA14037@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: EasyPlay To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:15:07 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I've been playing around with EasyPlay and I must say that I like it. I use the OS/2 version although I have also briefly seen (and installed) the Windows version. It worked out of the zipfile with my AT&T KIT modem and seems to be giving me great performance as well as taking away my troubles that I used to have when using DOS (or Win) based comm problems. However, something that I just checked out today is the Registration option. I registered my comm program to it (just drag the WPS object to a box) and that was it. Next time, and every time, I put my modem in, my comm program pops up. I imagine this would be a lot more useful for networking cards... Which brings me to my question. Has anyone used EasyPlay with a networking card? I'd like to collect any info on networking cards since I'd like to include them in the FAQ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 18 11:44:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08274 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:44:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA13658; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:09:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:09:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA13651; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:09:21 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23759 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:09:07 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402181709.AA23759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Make TP disks available via FTP? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:09:06 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Is there any way we could make the TP750 disks (audio, utilities, and video) available via FTP? For all those interested, the current versions are 1.12, 1.12, and 1.20 respectively. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 01:18:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29932 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:18:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA04926; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:55:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:55:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA04908; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:55:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 00:55:12 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery tests To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 00:55:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Just a reminder to send me those battery tests. So far, only two people have sent me their info. Remeber, you don't need to run all the test and you don't have to send it in all at once; you can send them in bits and pieces if you want. I'm sure we'd all like to see battery results. Thanks. Sean Chou From jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Sat Feb 19 01:21:06 1994 Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00153 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:21:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199402190721.AA00153@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 23:21:15 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 19, 94 12:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Just a reminder to send me those battery tests. So far, only two > people have sent me their info. Remeber, you don't need to run > all the test and you don't have to send it in all at once; you > can send them in bits and pieces if you want. > > I'm sure we'd all like to see battery results. Thanks. I'm the biggest proponent of your battery tests, and my battery is on the fritz so I can't give you any results other than 94% after 24h out of the computer, and 84% after 45h outside. (Yes, I know that's weird, but that's what I got) From jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Sat Feb 19 01:30:17 1994 Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01053 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:30:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199402190730.AA01053@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Make TP disks available via FTP? To: Sean Chou Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 23:30:26 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402181709.AA23759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 18, 94 11:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Is there any way we could make the TP750 disks (audio, utilities, > and video) available via FTP? For all those interested, the > current versions are 1.12, 1.12, and 1.20 respectively. The guy in charge of the ftp site is Nicholas R. Trio, nrt@watson.ibm.com or postmaster@ibm.com. He says for software to be put on software.watson. ibm.com, it has to be given to him by an IBM employee. Furthermore, he prefers said employee contact him by phone, rather than by email or the other way around. If anybody can figure out who is in charge of the TP750 software, get them to talk to this guy. Arrrgh, I'd kill for new drivers.... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 03:32:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 03:32:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA13908; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:12:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:12:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA13900; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:12:46 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08533; Sat, 19 Feb 94 01:12:27 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04266; Sat, 19 Feb 94 01:11:38 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07168; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:12:11 +0800 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:12:11 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402190912.AA07168@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: INFO: Windows NT now supports IBM ThinkPad 750 Status: OR ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.announce,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc From: stevehea@microsoft.com Subject: INFO: Windows NT now supports IBM ThinkPad 750 Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Organization: Microsoft Corp. Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:46:13 GMT The Microsoft Windows NT product group has recently provided support for the IBM ThinkPad 750 system. The ThinkPad 750 has passed all required Hardware Compatibility Tests and will be listed on the next update of the Windows NT Hardware Compatibility List. This update was tested on ThinkPad models 750 and 750c. We anticipate successful results on other models such as the 750cs and 750p as well. At this time, we recommend that a FAT file system be used on the ThinkPad 750. We have experienced some difficulties with the NTFS file system on this system which will be addressed in a future Service Pack update. The file TP750.EXE is a self extracting archive containing an update to Windows NT for the IBM Thinkpad 750 series of computers. This patch has been tested on the Thinkpad 750 and 750C models. It is, however, expected to work on all 750 models including the 750p and 750cs models. ******************************************************************** The file is available on FTP.MICROSOFT.COM in the /advsys/winnt/sup-ed/fixes/thinkpad directory. ******************************************************************** To install the update, copy TP750.EXE to an empty directory, change to that directory and then type the command: TP750 to extract the update files. After the files have been extracted follow the directions in README.TXT to update your Windows NT installation floppies. ----------------- | Steve Heaney | | Microsoft Corp. | ----------------- ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 14:36:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06060 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 14:36:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA28649; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA28641; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:46 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27549; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:07:39 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43781.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Accuracy of battery meter Status: OR A while ago I attested to the accuracy of the built-in battery meter. I was out for a couple days with poison ivy so I got to run the 750 off AC exclusively. I charged the battery to 100% and let it sit outside the computer. The "battery meter is not accurate" theory just got a big boost. After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is that my battery is screwed up. I've been having problems with it soon after and I'm about to call IBM about it. (I mean major problems, like it seems to want to overcharge, stops charging halfway through the charge cycle (about 50 minutes in), reads 0% for extended periods of time even with a fully charged battery) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 15:04:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13540 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:04:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA01240; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:44:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:44:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA01232; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:44:27 -0500 Received: by aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03581; Sat, 19 Feb 94 15:43:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 15:43:07 -0500 From: powers@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (Clifton Powers) Message-Id: <9402192043.AA03581@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Accuracy of battery meter Status: OR > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 15:27:10 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:49 EST > X-Nupop-Charset: English > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:09:41 -0800 (PST) > From: "John Kim" > After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. > About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! > Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the > meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is > that my battery is screwed up. I've been having problems with it > soon after and I'm about to call IBM about it. (I mean major problems, > like it seems to want to overcharge, stops charging halfway through > the charge cycle (about 50 minutes in), reads 0% for extended periods > of time even with a fully charged battery) My understanding of these circuits is that they measure the ammount of current used (by the computer and the monitoring circuitry itself) from the battery by integrating it. When charging the action is reversed. It This action would be highly nonlinear in your computer and probably nonlinear just sitting there as well. When the battery is not used the monitoring circuitry probably defaults to the average non-usage discharge curve for that type of battery (which are typically nonlinear also). Many monitoring circuits can get fooled into thinking there is zero charge when batterys are swapped etc. It then takes a while for the charger to realize that the battery is fully charged. They typically charge, wait, measure, charge, wait, measure, to tell if the battery is charged. All kinds of things affect battery chargeing, such as temperature, internal heating due to charging, etc. Your experiences sound pretty normal to me. -Cliff Powers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Clifton Powers Let No Man Have Two Fibers Until powers@aur.alcatel.com all Men Have One. Alcatel Network Systems -Steven Hornung, BTRL, July 1987 Video Technology Where's my Fiber? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 16:36:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08152 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:36:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06070; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:14:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:14:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06063; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:14:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01369 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:14:13 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402192214.AA01369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Accuracy of battery meter To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:14:12 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <43781.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Feb 19, 94 12:09:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. > About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! > Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the > meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is Actually, I would imagine it is non-linear. Shouldn't it lose the major charge first and then lose the rest slowly..? > soon after and I'm about to call IBM about it. (I mean major problems, > like it seems to want to overcharge, stops charging halfway through > the charge cycle (about 50 minutes in), reads 0% for extended periods > of time even with a fully charged battery) How many people have had problems with their batteries? I thin I may be having some problems too. We paid way too much for this type of grief... From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Sat Feb 19 17:45:22 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27426 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:45:20 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA17348; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:45:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA04816; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:45:04 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402192345.PAA04816@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Accuracy of battery meter To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:45:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402192214.AA01369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 19, 94 04:14:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1256 Status: OR > > > After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. > > About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! > > Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the > > meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is > > Actually, I would imagine it is non-linear. Shouldn't it lose > the major charge first and then lose the rest slowly..? Most battery life typically follows a natural-log pattern (you know, the "ln" or inverse of e^x). I big drop at first, eventually leveling off... and slowly dying completely. > How many people have had problems with their batteries? I thin I > may be having some problems too. We paid way too much for this type > of grief... I've already detailed mine--its bad enough that it doesn't live up to the marketing claim, but worse that it doesn't hold much of a charge after sitting only a day or two. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Sat Feb 19 18:00:18 1994 Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01512 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 18:00:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199402200000.AA01512@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Make TP disks available via FTP? To: Sean Chou Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 16:00:28 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402192207.AA29662@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 19, 94 4:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > > or postmaster@ibm.com. He says for software to be put on software.watson. > > ibm.com, it has to be given to him by an IBM employee. Furthermore, he > > Maybe we can get my local IBM rep to do it for us? I'll talk to him > about that... > > > Arrrgh, I'd kill for new drivers.... > > Hmm...I don't know but maybe I can ftp it to you or send it > UUENCODED... Hmm, try mailing the utility disk to jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu. No quota there. What's new with the video drivers? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 19:34:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24281 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:34:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA15618; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA15611; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:39 -0500 Received: by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu id AA24063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'd love to send you my battery tests, but I'm having serious problems with fueldos. I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. Since then, I've tried to reinstall the "faulty" version of fueldos, and most recently, the new version that IBM sent to me. I still get the same message when I invoke it or the PS2 program, "Software power management services not enabled." I'm going to call IBM for the third time tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you TP experts could help me. Thanks. Hanson Hosein From hrh6@columbia.edu Sat Feb 19 19:16:27 1994 Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:16:25 -0600 Received: by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu id AA24063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'd love to send you my battery tests, but I'm having serious problems with fueldos. I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. Since then, I've tried to reinstall the "faulty" version of fueldos, and most recently, the new version that IBM sent to me. I still get the same message when I invoke it or the PS2 program, "Software power management services not enabled." I'm going to call IBM for the third time tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you TP experts could help me. Thanks. Hanson Hosein From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 20:42:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07079 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:42:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18958; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:21:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:21:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18950; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:21:34 -0500 Received: from ion.apana.org.au (scs.apana.org.au) by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA27707 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:21:25 +1100 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 13:25 EST From: timn@ion.apana.org.au (Tim Noonan) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Several TP750 Questions! Status: OR Hi, I have a range of questions to ask about the TP750 (mono). Some of these questions may seem a little unusual, but the use I will be putting my TP750 to is slightly different to most. I am blind and plan to use the TP750 with a speech synthesiser, thus using its screen minimally. Here are my questions: [most of my questions assume DOS unless specifically stating otherwise] Is it possible to completely turn off the screen of the TP750 to save battery power but still use the unit. How is this done, by a key combination, or what? Does an external monitor need to be connected in order to achieve this? Alternatively, how much benefit to battery life would be achieved by turning the brightness and contrast controls to their lowest position? Are all the power management and other set-up facilities accessed via programs which run as TSRs or as command-line programs, or is access built directly into the BIOS? i.e. to change CPU speed, check battery status etc. Generally, what things can be adjusted re configuration and power management? Is the three year warranty of the unit affected by adding third-party memory or PCMCIA cards in to the TP750? Apart from the floppy and the hard disk geometry settings are there any other incompatibilities with the TP750. do Norton Disk Doctor, Calibrate and other low-level disk utilities work fully on the TP750? I heard of problems with running WP51 on the TP750, is this a problem, is special configuration required? Is there a place in LA that sells TP extras at good prices? I am intending purchasing my TP750 locally in Australia before visiting LA for a conference in mid March. Thought I would get an extra battery, third-party memory, battery charger etc in the U.S. Is there a place I could buy a Keep In Touch modem in LA if I am only there for a week? What chip set does the TP750 have for PCMCIA? Is it the same as the TP720's less than compatible set, or is it a real Intel chip, or something else? I have read a lot about limited available DOS memory under DOS. Could I improve this if I had no need for high res graphics etc? If I want PCMCIA devices is that the end of any half respectable free memory available under DOS? Are the audio in and Out jacks stereo? Is the in-built speaker only for the basic standard PC speaker sounds (bells etc) or is it connected to the audio facilities special to the TP750? How loud is this speaker? Will the audioin/out jacks take headphones, or are they line out jacks? Does the technical documentation define the way to program the audio circuitry? Does Monologue for DOS come with the new Sound drivers disk? Does this mean there is good quality speech synthesis under DOS? Is PC DOS 6.1 equivalent to MSDOS 6.2? What things are better or worse? Has anyone encountered compatibility problems with the serial port (presume this is 16540 compatible) or the EPP parallel port? Is the amount of available memory worse than that for an equivalent T4600 machine? Because I will have speech software also in lower memory, available memory is paramount! Are there known PCMCIA devices that are incompatible with the DOS PCMCIA? Can the AT&T Keep in Touch modem be removed and replaced while the machine is running? Is a re-boot required? Thank you for your time in reading these questions. I want to get moving on my purchase before I go o/s and answers to any of these questions will be very helpful to me! Tim From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 01:59:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27079 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:59:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA05592; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:32:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:32:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA05585; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:32:39 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:32:29 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402200732.AA24409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery tests To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:32:29 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Hanson Riad Hosein" at Feb 19, 94 08:12:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things > started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the > installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version > of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean > time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. Well, if you run Windows exclusively (or nearly so), then you don't really need FUELDOS.EXE installed...but if you insist, then the new version should fix it. What exactly happens? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 02:18:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28878 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:18:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA06678; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:54:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:54:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA06621; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:54:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA26442 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:53:49 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:53:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Noonan" at Feb 20, 94 01:24:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I am blind and plan to use the TP750 with a speech synthesiser, thus > using its screen minimally. Wow! What a concept! I never even thought of that...but it does seem feasible... > Is it possible to completely turn off the screen of the TP750 to save > battery power but still use the unit. How is this done, by a key > combination, or what? Does an external monitor need to be connected in > order to achieve this? Hmm...I know that the unit can run without the screen on via an external monitor. But I don't know if you can have access to the keyboard (in other words, leave the unit open) and still turn the screen off. It would be worth asking IBM directly if they could assist you in that manner since it seems they have some other tools that assist special needs. > Alternatively, how much benefit to battery life would be achieved by > turning the brightness and contrast controls to their lowest position? My experience tells me that, on a 750C, the difference is slight... even using our "hidden" trick of not letting the machine automatically drop into a darker setting upon being disconnected from a plug. > Are all the power management and other set-up facilities accessed via > programs which run as TSRs or as command-line programs, or is access > built directly into the BIOS? i.e. to change CPU speed, check battery > status etc. The power management is largely under the control of software. > Is the three year warranty of the unit affected by adding third-party > memory or PCMCIA cards in to the TP750? I should hope not! I just sent my TP750C in for repairs and use third party memory as well as third party PCMCIA cards. I paid enough for the unit itself... > Apart from the floppy and the hard disk geometry settings are there any > other incompatibilities with the TP750. As long as you don't run Linux or any *NIX besides SCO, you should be just fine... > do Norton Disk Doctor, Calibrate and other low-level disk utilities work > fully on the TP750? I heard of problems with running WP51 on the TP750, > is this a problem, is special configuration required? Norton utilities works fine. I don't know of WP51 but I do know that Windows and WP6.0 works fine. > What chip set does the TP750 have for PCMCIA? Is it the same as the > TP720's less than compatible set, or is it a real Intel chip, or > something else? Hmm...I've heard of no extreme problems with any PCMCIA cards but note that almost all cards have some sort of compatibility with one notebook or the other. At least, with an IBM, you can be assured of the majority compatibility. > I have read a lot about limited available DOS memory under DOS. Could I > improve this if I had no need for high res graphics etc? Unfortunately, most of it is used up by PCMCIA card drivers...it seems that EasyPlay is a little kinder but not by much. Hopefully, future software will address this issue... > If I want PCMCIA devices is that the end of any half respectable free > memory available under DOS? Pretty much. > Are the audio in and Out jacks stereo? They are on the left side towards the back. > Is the in-built speaker only for the basic standard PC speaker sounds > (bells etc) or is it connected to the audio facilities special to the > TP750? How loud is this speaker? The built-in speaker is for basic standard PC speaker sounds (which sound much better) as well as all the multimedia sounds. In other words, you don't need an external speaker. > Will the audioin/out jacks take headphones, or are they line out jacks? There are line-in and line-out jacks. > Does the technical documentation define the way to program the audio > circuitry? I'm not sure about this one, but I know that Keith Moore has been extremely dissatisfied with technical documentation... > Does Monologue for DOS come with the new Sound drivers disk? Does this > mean there is good quality speech synthesis under DOS? Yes, it comes with the Audio Disk 1.12. And no, it doesn't necessarily mean good speech synthesis. It is, however, understandable. > Is PC DOS 6.1 equivalent to MSDOS 6.2? What things are better or worse? PC-DOS 6.1 is closer to MS-DOS 6.0. MS-DOS 6.2 is probably tuned a bit more for Windows (and even more so for Windows for Workgroups 3.11). > Has anyone encountered compatibility problems with the serial port > (presume this is 16540 compatible) or the EPP parallel port? Nope. The serial port is a 16450, not a 16550 (the faster one). > Is the amount of available memory worse than that for an equivalent > T4600 machine? Because I will have speech software also in lower > memory, available memory is paramount! Any machine with PCMCIA drivers loaded will not fare well with main memory. > Are there known PCMCIA devices that are incompatible with the DOS > PCMCIA? Well, this is a rather tough subject. PCMCIA is far from standardized yet. There are more incompatibilities than not, but it seems that most of us are managing with our kludges and so forth. But you can be assured that the AT&T Keep In Touch modem is compatible with the EasyPlay PCMCIA program that comes with Utilities Disk 1.20. > Can the AT&T Keep in Touch modem be removed and replaced while the > machine is running? Is a re-boot required? Yes...or at least under OS/2 it seems to do it just fine. If not, I hope someone tells me before I break my machine! > Thank you for your time in reading these questions. I want to get > moving on my purchase before I go o/s and answers to any of these > questions will be very helpful to me! I just want to add that you may also want to consider the Toshiba 4700 which is Windows soundsystem compatible and may provide easier command-operated control. But since I have no idea what software you will be using, I can't really say. You will be able to get about 530K free memory under DOS with PCMCIA drivers loaded or probably a little less. Also, the Audio system is located at IRQs 5,10,11, and 15. And the I/O addresses are either at (HEX) 0030, 4E30, 8E30, or CE30. Good Luck with your purchase! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 10:37:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:37:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA13896; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ensta.ensta.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA13889; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:11 -0500 Received: from cedre9.ensta.fr (cedre9.ensta.fr [147.250.2.29]) by ensta.ensta.fr (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA23713 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:18:13 +0100 From: Emmanuel Germond Received: from localhost (germond@localhost) by cedre9.ensta.fr (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA01647 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199402201618.LAA01647@cedre9.ensta.fr> Subject: Introducing myself + questions To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 17:18:12 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR Hi ! I'm new to this list, and as requested by tthe welcoming message of "tp750-request", I introduce myself. I'm a french student, studying in Paris. At the moment I don't own a TP750, but I intend to buy one to run Linux on it (I'm currently working on HP9000/710, SUN SPARC Classic and 486DX2/66 all under UNIX) Well, I've got some questions, most of them relative to Linux: 1) What is the video chipset on the TP750? (I believe it's a WD90C24) 2) Has anyone managed to get a TP750cs (color dual STN) working with XFree86 in 256 colors (I know it can be done with toshiba notebooks using the WD90C24 by specifying the WD90C30 in the .Xconfig ; someone told me they are actually the same) 3) Has anyone managed to get a TP750 (mono) working with XFree86 in 256 colors on an external display? 4) I heard someone talking about third parties RAM for the TP750. Could someone give me the vendors and the prices of the 8Mo and 16Mo extensions? Will they work under Linux? 5) What is the price in the US for (all from IBM and for the TP750): a) a 170Mo HD b) a 340Mo HD c) a Dual STN color screen (in order to upgrade a TP750 to a TP750cs) 6) Do you know if Linux can take advantage of the TP750 sound capabilities (i.e. are they drivers under Linux for these) Many thanks, and don't hesitate to send me your replies, even if you only know an answer to one question. -- Emmanuel Germond | "Nietzsche is dead." germond@ensta.fr | From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Sun Feb 20 12:20:20 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04127 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 12:20:18 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA20086; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:20:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA15541; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:20:20 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402201820.KAA15541@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:20:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 20, 94 01:53:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1770 Status: OR > > Is PC DOS 6.1 equivalent to MSDOS 6.2? What things are better or worse? > > PC-DOS 6.1 is closer to MS-DOS 6.0. MS-DOS 6.2 is probably tuned > a bit more for Windows (and even more so for Windows for Workgroups > 3.11). I'll jump in long enough to point out that MS-DOS 6.2 is really little more than a big fix for MS-DOS 6.0. They had a real problem with their "doublespace" drives getting corrupted under certain conditions with Smartdrv. They fixed that, and also made Smartdrv a little better (caches CD-ROM's now). I had MS-DOS 6 on my "old" notebook and did the little update to 6.2--I was wholly unimpressed. It was a bug fix--nothing more. Personally, with the ThinkPad, I like PC-DOS 6.1 much better than MS-DOS 6.2 (although I realize its probably pretty silly to sit and argue about "which DOS is better"--since they all pretty much stink). I don't know how to describe it--but I just find it more elegant--more streamlined. But I still run good 'ol DOS 5.0 on my desktop, and I haven't gone through the trouble of upgrading *it* to any 6.x version of PC or MS-DOS, so its obviously not that big of an issue with me. The bottom line is that anything 5.0 or above works very well--there's no reason for anyone to pop a blood vessel over whether PS-DOS 6.1 is as good or equal to MS-DOS 6.2. For all intents and purposes, they are the same blasted thing (though I do lean toward the PC 6.1 version)... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 12:51:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 12:51:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA20778; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:27:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:27:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA20769; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:27:24 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA20252; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA15930; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:22 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402201827.KAA15930@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Introducing myself + questions To: germond@ensta.fr (Emmanuel Germond) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402201618.LAA01647@cedre9.ensta.fr> from "Emmanuel Germond" at Feb 20, 94 05:18:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'm a french student, studying in Paris. At the moment I don't own > a TP750, but I intend to buy one to run Linux on it (I'm currently > working on HP9000/710, SUN SPARC Classic and 486DX2/66 all under UNIX) BAD IDEA!!! Those who have tried to run Linux on the TP750 can't make it work right! > 4) I heard someone talking about third parties RAM for the TP750. > Could someone give me the vendors and the prices of the 8Mo and > 16Mo extensions? I got a real cheap little 8MB card made by "Simple Technologies." I've been perfectly happy with it too. It cost me $450 (plus shipping) from a place in Washington state. You can contact Terry at Omnitek computers at (206) 475-8010. So far, that's the cheapest 8MB I've found. > Will they work under Linux? I assume so--assuming you can get Linux to work... ;) > 5) What is the price in the US for (all from IBM and for the TP750): > a) a 170Mo HD > b) a 340Mo HD > c) a Dual STN color screen (in order to upgrade a TP750 to a TP750cs) Just a note--you can't upgrade (I'm pretty sure at least) a 750 mono to a 750Cs (Dual-Scan). You can only go from the mono to a 750C (Active Matrix)--which is, of course, much more expensive. I don't know the details, but apparently there is something different enough that the upgrade to a dual-scan color can't be done. > 6) Do you know if Linux can take advantage of the TP750 sound > capabilities (i.e. are they drivers under Linux for these) From what I hear, you can't even get Linux to work on the TP750--let alone worry about sound! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 16:58:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18938 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 16:58:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05607; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:42:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:42:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05600; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:42:04 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02889; Sun, 20 Feb 94 14:42:08 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22908; Sun, 20 Feb 94 14:41:14 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07639; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:41:57 +0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:41:57 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402202241.AA07639@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! In-Reply-To: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: OR You can tell the TP to keep going when the cover is closed. If you enable that (use ps2 or ps2win) and fake out the unit that the cover is closed, you can use the TP without the LCD display. The switch is located above the PCMCIA slots on the right hand side of the unit. Just tape it down or jam something into it. Alternatively, you could use ps2 or ps2win to tell the TP to use the external monitor only. This only works if you have something plugged into the external VGA port, but perhaps it could be a dummy load if you don't have a real monitor someplace. A side benefit to shutting off the monitor is that you get more battery life ... I'm typing this on my 750C attached to a VGA monitor, and fuelwin reports that I have five hours of battery left! Both audio jacks are stereo, 1/8 inch mini-jacks. The audio out jack will take headphones. Max headphone speaker output is 1.5 mW into 32 ohms. Max output level is 1.9 V peak-to-peak @ 75 Ohms. The input jack is software programmable; mic or line input. Sample rate 5.5-48 kHz. Mic input: gain 32-54.5 dB; input level 4 mV p-p @ 9 kOhms Line input: input level 5.3 V p-p @ 8 kOhms These numbers are from the TP users's guide. ..bob From hrh6@columbia.edu Sun Feb 20 19:01:10 1994 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27027 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 19:01:08 -0600 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA17649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:01:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 19:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199402200732.AA24409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sun, 20 Feb 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > > I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things > > started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the > > installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version > > of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean > > time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. > > Well, if you run Windows exclusively (or nearly so), then you don't > really need FUELDOS.EXE installed...but if you insist, then the new > version should fix it. > > What exactly happens? I actually use DOS more than Windows for my journalism assignments. Occasionally I use Windows which is why I installed fuel for windows. Once I had installed it, anytime I FN F2'd in DOS, the computer would freeze up. The only way around the problem was to make sure I had turned the Fuel for Windows off in Windows before exiting. IBM told me they've been having a lot of problems with TP's that use FUELDOS, and that the program is far from perfect. Luckily, they were able to get my power management functions working again when I re-initialized the computer (config.sys and autoexec.bat changes didn't work). It was all very strange and I don't think either of us knew what we were doing. Thanks for responding. Hanson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 20:53:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29209 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:53:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18709; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:41:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:41:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18702; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:41:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25468 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:41:23 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402210241.AA25468@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:41:22 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402201820.KAA15541@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 20, 94 10:20:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'll jump in long enough to point out that MS-DOS 6.2 is really > little more than a big fix for MS-DOS 6.0. They had a real problem with their I pretty much agree with you on this point. >MS-DOS 6.2 (although I realize its probably pretty silly to sit and argue about > "which DOS is better"--since they all pretty much stink). I don't know how > to describe it--but I just find it more elegant--more streamlined. I think I can wholeheartedly agree with you on this one! :) DOS stinks no matter what version it may be. But I like PC-DOS more due to the Central Point influence. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 21:46:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:46:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA21620; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:30:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:30:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA21604; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:30:23 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA26785; Sun, 20 Feb 94 22:30:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 22:30:30 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402210330.AA26785@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! Status: OR to put things in perspective, it isn't entirely fair to complain that DOS stinks. For a small system (e.g. and 8088 with 256K of memory), it isn't so inappropriate. What is inappropriate is running DOS on a reasonably fast machine. The TP750 is faster than a Sun-3 workstation, and running DOS on a TP is sad indeed! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 05:43:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13259 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 05:43:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA28568; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:18:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:18:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA28561; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:18:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199402211118.GAA28561@CS.UTK.EDU> Via: uk.ac.kingston; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:16:51 +0000 Received: from ceres.kingston.ac.uk by mercury.kingston.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09472-0@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:16:23 +0000 Received: from kingston.ac.uk by ceres.kingston.ac.uk id <22979-0@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:14:56 +0000 From: Sergio Terenas Subject: Introducing myself... To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v4.16b Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:14:56 +0000 Original-Sender: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk Status: OR Hallo everyone, My name is Sergio Terenas and I have just subscribed to the list. I'm a final year student doing computer science in England (London). I recently bought a TP750 with 4 Mb RAM and 170 Mb Hard Disk. I'm using mainly DOS, Windows for development of Clipper/C applications. I'm thinking of expanding the RAM to 8 Mb in order to run OS/2 2.1. I was told that there isn't much of a performance difference in having 8 or 16 Mb when running OS/2. True ? My areas of interest are PCMCIA cards and the sound capabilities offered by this machine. I would like to know of applications that use it. I'd also like to know the specifications of Type I, II PCMCIA cards so I can write device drivers. Can anyone, please, give me a list of available PCMCIA cards ? Hope to hear from you soon, Best regards, Sergio Terenas From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 08:54:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00681 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 08:54:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10601; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:34:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:34:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10594; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:34:33 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:23/EUnetD-2.4.2.b) via EUnet id PAA28448; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:35:11 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 15:31:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9402211431.AA17142@osix.Materna.DE> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 power management Status: OR After playing around for a week with my TP750C, I am wondering about all the hard- and software envolved in power management (DOS/Windows). As far as I noticed there is some hardware (firmware) build in (all this works fine also unter SCO UNIX, so it must be hardware:-): Fn+F11: switch the cpu to another clock rate: 33 - 18 - 10 Mhz (works ony with battery power) Fn+F4 : suspend mode Fn+F12: hibernation mode (save memory & regs to disk) Then there is some software I noticed on my system: ps2.exe: TP specifig configuration and timer management ps2win.exe: Same under MS windows. power.exe: TSR, loaded by "config.sys" and can be called interactively also. In the control-section of MS windows, there is another power management tool, showing you the actual battery level and let you set the power management to Off, Advanced and Standard. Looks like this is a companion to the "power.exe" under DOS? Now to my questions: With "si.exe" (not delivered by IBM), I noticed a dramatical reduction of CPU cycles (to almost the power of an 5 Mhz 88/XT) after some inactive time. This happens under DOS with or without windows running, independently of the switched CPU rate and even with external power supply connected. Who is responsible of this behaviour and how can I switch it off? Who is responsible to switch of the power of an plugged in PCMCIA adapter? Is there a tool to control this behavior? Thank you for you help! --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-41441 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 09:06:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03727 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:06:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA11828; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:50:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:49:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA11820; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:49:56 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29649; Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:50:04 -0500Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:50:04 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402211450.AA29649@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk Subject: Re: Introducing myself... Status: OR There is a huge performance difference between 8 megs and 16 megs for OS/2. 8 megs is acceptable if you run only FAT, but the disk on the TP is big enough to benefit from HPFS, and of course you get long file names, but quite apart from this, if you really want to run several things at a time (and even if that's not your style now, it will be when you run OS/2 :-) then more memory will really help. A good compromise with the TP is to get an 8 meg board, should cost about $400, so that you have a total of 12 meg. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 09:46:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14116 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:46:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16104; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16077; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA10014 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:41 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix2.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix2.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! In-Reply-To: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: OR As I understand it, a standard video cable between monitor and PC doesn't have any defined receive pins; that is, the monitor isn't sending signals to the video card. If this is the case (which it very well may not be), and depending on the way the TP750 checks for an external display, you should be able to keep the screen off simply by attaching a cable stub to the external monitor port of the TP. Haven't tried it, don't know if it works, I know the TP won't let you claim you're connected to an external monitor if you're not. Anyone want to try? :) - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 10:07:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:07:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA17773; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:52:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:52:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA17766; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:52:36 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22170 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:52:24 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA11826; Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:59:53 CST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:59:53 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402211559.AA11826@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! Status: OR --> -->As I understand it, a standard video cable between monitor and PC -->doesn't have any defined receive pins; that is, the monitor isn't -->sending signals to the video card. If this is the case (which it very -->well may not be), and depending on the way the TP750 checks for an -->external display, you should be able to keep the screen off simply by -->attaching a cable stub to the external monitor port of the TP. -->Haven't tried it, don't know if it works, I know the TP won't let you -->claim you're connected to an external monitor if you're not. --> --> -->Anyone want to try? :) --> -->- Andrew --> This is exactly right. I have an external monitor hooked up to my TP750. I turn the screen on my TP off when I have the monitor hooked up (using the PS2 commands). SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 11:44:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02153 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:44:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25528; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from laidbak.i88.isc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25508; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:17 -0500 Received: from ra.i88.isc.com by laidbak.i88.isc.com with SMTP (5.65/isc-mail-gw/2/23/93) id AA05289; Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:43 -0600 Received: by ra.i88.isc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21594; Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:48 CST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:48 CST From: narcisoa@i88.isc.com (Narciso A. Albarracin) Message-Id: <9402211729.AA21594@ra.i88.isc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR 02/21 My name is Narciso A. Albarracin. I am a consultant with SHL Systemhouse in Chicago, IL. I recently purchased a ThinkPad and am eager to get Linux on it. My configuration is: 8M RAM, 340M hard disk, with a PCIMIA card for a modem. Here is a note i posted in comp.os.linux.help, comp.sys.laptops. Any help would be appreciated. p.s. please mail directly to narcisoa.i88.isc.com >i have a IBM 750C 8/340 with the 486SL in it... i am >eternally frustrated with attempting to load Slackware1.1.1 >...i have been reading bits ands pieces of notions about >Guidance needed for loading Linux on IBM 750C!!! > thanks, narcisoa >the inability to recognize the 2.88M floppy, BIOS incompatibilities >, etc. >frankly, if anyone has successfully brought up Linux on >their IBM 750C please send me a "spoon feed" guide on what i >need to do to get it up with minimal modifications to the >kernel, driver code and without having to call clueless >IBM reps. >i already have the disk partioned for 140M for DOS... >waiting to use the rest!! with a real operating system. thanks, From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 13:08:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12953 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:07:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA00873; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:54:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:54:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA00845; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:54:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199402211854.NAA00845@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 10:54:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402211431.AA17142@osix.Materna.DE>; from "Klaus Eckhoff" at Feb 21, 94 3:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Now to my questions: With "si.exe" (not delivered by IBM), I noticed > a dramatical reduction of CPU cycles (to almost the power of an 5 Mhz 88/XT) > after some inactive time. This happens under DOS with or without windows > running, independently of the switched CPU rate and even with external > power supply connected. Who is responsible of this behaviour and how can > I switch it off? This is standard behavior for the SL chipset if not most notebook computers. If it detects several seconds or minutes of nonuse, it assumes you're not using the computer and slows things down to conserve battery life. Ideally it would cycle down to 0MHz between your keystrokes but that's probably unrealistic. I dunno how to shut it off. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 14:13:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12550 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:13:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05921; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:57:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:57:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05914; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:57:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01682; Mon, 21 Feb 94 14:57:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 14:57:28 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402211957.AA01682@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, ke@Materna.DE Subject: Re: TP750 power management Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR why would you want to shut it off, it should have no noticable negative effect on performance. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 15:12:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09396 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:12:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA09950; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:49:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:49:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA09941; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:49:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28271 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:48:40 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402212048.AA28271@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: DOS on TPs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:48:37 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402210330.AA26785@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 20, 94 10:30:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > to put things in perspective, it isn't entirely fair to complain that DOS > stinks. For a small system (e.g. and 8088 with 256K of memory), it isn't > so inappropriate. What is inappropriate is running DOS on a reasonably fast > machine. The TP750 is faster than a Sun-3 workstation, and running DOS on > a TP is sad indeed! Good point, indeed! Of course, once you install Windows and the rest of what I consider necessary to make it survivable (namely, either PC-Tools or NDW for Windows), it'll bring even our "mighty" TPs to just good enough (actually, I consider the performance quite fine). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 15:23:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14000 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:23:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA10760; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:59:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:59:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA10749; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:58:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02882 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:58:40 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402212058.AA02882@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Introducing myself... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:58:36 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402211118.GAA28561@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sergio Terenas" at Feb 21, 94 11:14:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR >I'm thinking of expanding the RAM to 8 Mb in order to run OS/2 2.1. I was told > that there isn't much of a performance difference in having 8 or 16 Mb when > running OS/2. True ? Hmmm...I have NO idea where you would've heard that. There is not greater contradictory statement. OS/2 can use EVERY bit of RAM you have and there is quite a marked contrast between even 8MB and 12MB. Unfortunately, 16MB is not an option for us since there is no 12MB DRAM card... > My areas of interest are PCMCIA cards and the sound capabilities offered by >this machine. I would like to know of applications that use it. I'd also like > to know the specifications of Type I, II PCMCIA cards so I can write device > drivers. You've picked a touchy area indeed! :) PCMCIA cards are very irregular from vendor to vendor right now. And since it's the software usually that's lacking in functionality, maybe you can fix it! :) Type I and Type II are really not very different except for in width of size. I think Type III is pretty much reserved for hard drives right now (and that new Bernoulli device)... The sounds can be accessed by quite a number of apps through it's emulation mode. However, emulation does slow things down. It's native mode doesn't seem to have quite a large following (hopefully just for now). But IBM has included drivers for Windows and OS/2 so anything that works under their sound will probably work fine on the TP. > Can anyone, please, give me a list of available PCMCIA cards ? There's really quite a lot to cover here. I know of PCMCIA modems, network adapters, sound cards, hard drivers, flash RAM, RAM cards, SCSI adapters, of course, that new Bernoulli device (not yet released I think), PCMCIA to parallel connectors...and I'm sure there's a lot more esoteric devices (such as that GPS thing). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 18:17:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:17:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA23633; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:59:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:59:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from longs.lance.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA23626; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:59:18 -0500 From: Received: from eldiente.lance.colostate.edu (eldiente.lance.colostate.edu [129.82.188.24]) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5a (LANCE 1.01)) with SMTP id QAA25631; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:59:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199402212359.QAA25631@longs.lance.colostate.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: sf311553@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Introducing Myself Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:59:03 MST Status: OR Hello, all! My name is Stu Feld, and I am a new subscriber. I'm a PhD student at Colorado State U. (Ft. Collins, CO) and have been desperately trying to buy a TP750C for several months (since they came out). Previously, I was waiting for a 720C and have now been upgraded in absentia to a 750C (virtual upgrade? :^). I was surfing on the net and ran across an invitation to this mailing list, and thought that it may be a good place to recieve some hints on how to actually get my hands on a TP. The local dealer who has my order told me that it is impossible to get a 750C before mid-year at the soonest, even though I am willing to pay full price in cash immediately. He is also waiting for his own personal unit, so it is not a lack of interest on his part. Any help would be appreciated. On another note, I recently heard about a limited production run of an enhanced version of the 750 (with a faster processor) that is not going to be made available to the public for financial reasons. Is there any truth to this rumor? If so, what are its specs, and what possible financial reasons could IBM have for not producing an enhanced machine? One last question. The 750C has a 10.4" screen with VGA resolution. How does this differ from a machine with a 9" screen with the same resolution? One of the other students here said that the 10.4" screen simply has pixels that are spaced farther apart, but are the same size as those on a 9" screen. Is this true? Sorry about all of my cluelessness. Perhaps if I can just get my machine I will have some more interesting and specific discussion topics. Thanks in advance, Stu. (p.s. is there any kind of FAQ for this mailing list? If so, and my questions are on it, please mail it to me in lieu of direct response) From jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Mon Feb 21 20:01:27 1994 Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04580 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 20:01:25 -0600 Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02057; Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:59:51 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA761891353 Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:29:13 EST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:29:13 EST From: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9401217618.AA761891353@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 Status: OR Your video installation fix was/is greatly appreciated! The video driver wasn't usable at all prior to that; now, it's so close to doing the job perfectly, I cannot tell whether one more tweak will do it OR there's a genuine driver problem. All I really need to know is, 'is anyone getting video to work perfetly in OS/2?' The blecherous hack is that the installation and configuration (ie SETTINGS notebook page) workplace shell/Object archectecture was completely ignored by the company that invented it. The WD90C1x and 3x video drivers are shipped with os/2. Why make the 2x (wd90c24) completely different and in a way that apparently doesn't work right? > Your best bet here is to make two copies of the SYSTEM.INI and place > them in your autoexec.bat and startup.cmd to copy it upon starting > any OS... > Well, I realize I didn't help you much... Thanks for the dual (dueling) .INI file idea. I may resort to that soon. I'm spending much less time in DOS/Windows these days, happily, so it's becoming less of an issue. It is helpful getting your comments. Thanks. -Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 22 04:17:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05206 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:16:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA03481; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:56:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:56:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA03474; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:56:19 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:23/EUnetD-2.4.2.c) via EUnet id KAA08529; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 10:27:50 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 10:24:01 +0100 Message-Id: <9402220924.AA05132@osix.Materna.DE> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 power management Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > why would you want to shut it off, it should have no noticable negative > effect on performance. Well, last week I had some problems with it. I conneced some ISDN device called I-LINK (this is an intelligent ISDN adapter connected over the serial port to the TP. After boot, you download some protocol software and then you have a transparent TCP/IP connection to an ISDN router). Well, I started some telnet session, everything was OK. But when I tried some filetransfer with ftp, I noticed the connection hangs after about 30 seconds. This behaviour was only on the TP, not noticed on an older (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing some tests with manually switched different clock cycles shows, that with 10 MHz, the I-LINK device didn't work). Even if you think on using the TP as a portable UNIX box, then you will have a lot of situations where you use it as a server, not doing any interactive work with keyboard, mouse, etc... --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-41441 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 22 12:11:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26147 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:10:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15402; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:49:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:49:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15395; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:49:51 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08320; Tue, 22 Feb 94 09:49:56 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06855; Tue, 22 Feb 94 09:49:00 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08355; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:49:44 +0800 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:49:44 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402221749.AA08355@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! In-Reply-To: <9402211559.AA11826@kentucky> References: <9402211559.AA11826@kentucky> Status: OR Since I use a PCMCIA modem, I shut off the power to the external and internal serial ports. The "external" port is the one on the back. The "internal" serial port is the one that gets used if you swap out the diskette drive and replace it with a modem. Since I use a diskette drive, I don't need the modem power. You can shut off power to these with the ps2win program, or the ps2 command under dos: ps2 modem off (internal) ps2 serial off (external) You can shut off power to the PCMCIA slots under DOS with the pcmciaof (note one 'f') and pcmciaon commands. On my machine they are in c: \thinkpad. > I turn the screen on my TP off when I have the monitor > hooked up (using the PS2 commands). You can also use Fn-F7 under some OSes. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 22 22:04:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17756 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:04:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA25079; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:42:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:42:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA25065; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199402230342.WAA25065@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 19:42:09 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402220924.AA05132@osix.Materna.DE>; from "Klaus Eckhoff" at Feb 22, 94 10:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Well, last week I had some problems with it. I conneced some ISDN device > called I-LINK (this is an intelligent ISDN adapter connected over the > serial port to the TP. After boot, you download some protocol software > and then you have a transparent TCP/IP connection to an ISDN router). > > Well, I started some telnet session, everything was OK. But when I tried > some filetransfer with ftp, I noticed the connection hangs after about > 30 seconds. This behaviour was only on the TP, not noticed on an older > (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this > malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing > some tests with manually switched different clock cycles shows, that > with 10 MHz, the I-LINK device didn't work). If you're running under DOS, the FUELDOS TSR program will kill your serial connection. I flagged the problem when I was using an external modem, and it's been verified by someone else. Maybe it should go into the FAQ. I have yet to report it to IBM, too busy. To fix it, just rem out the FUELDOS program from your autoexec.bat. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 15:40:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:40:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17167; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:59:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:59:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17158; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:59:31 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06828 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 14:59:15 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232059.AA06828@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 14:59:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401217618.AA761891353@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu" at Feb 21, 94 08:28:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Your video installation fix was/is greatly appreciated! > The video driver wasn't usable at all prior to that; > now, it's so close to doing the job perfectly, > I cannot tell whether one more tweak will do it OR > there's a genuine driver problem. Since the installation procedure is just a CMD file, I may spend some time this spring break altering it to be more flexible. Of course, this will have to be after the FAQ is completed... :) > All I really need to know is, > 'is anyone getting video to work perfetly in OS/2?' I think that I do have pretty much a perfectly working seamless window, but some DOS sessions will get screwy... Have you tried the new drivers? Video drivers are up to version 1.20 now. > The blecherous hack is that the installation and configuration > (ie SETTINGS notebook page) workplace shell/Object archectecture > was completely ignored by the company that invented it. The This kind of things is exactly what makes me question OS/2 on occassion. It's the best thing since UNIX but, IBM has to whole-heartedly sell it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 15:41:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:41:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17813; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:07:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:07:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17747; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:07:20 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10457 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:07:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232107.AA10457@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:07:05 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402220924.AA05132@osix.Materna.DE> from "Klaus Eckhoff" at Feb 22, 94 10:23:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, last week I had some problems with it. I conneced some ISDN device > called I-LINK (this is an intelligent ISDN adapter connected over the > serial port to the TP. After boot, you download some protocol software > and then you have a transparent TCP/IP connection to an ISDN router). Hmm...if it goes through the serial, perhaps you can set it to turn on during serial input....that way it should stay on for the majority, if not all, of the time.... > (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this > malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing I see now. John Kim has said that's part of the SL chip so I don't know if that will work. A workaround may be to just try to keep the system active enough unless the serial port incoming thing works. Maybe a cron file that will run something in the background periodically? > Even if you think on using the TP as a portable UNIX box, then you will > have a lot of situations where you use it as a server, not doing any > interactive work with keyboard, mouse, etc... Are you using it as a UNIX box? If so, what are you running? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 15:47:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:47:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA18395; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:13:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:13:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA18388; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:13:06 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12654 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:12:54 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232112.AA12654@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery Tests -- Extended To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:12:51 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402221857.KAA15226@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 22, 94 10:57:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > about 15 discharge/charge cycles. I complained to IBM and was sent a > replacement. This one only loses about 5% overnight. I haven't tested > longer periods because I've been using my TP so much. However, the new > battery is certainly better and within spec. according to IBM. I think that if I continue to have problems, I will contact them for a new battery. I've reported my problem and they know about it... > Also, I was disappointed that SO FEW HAVE RESPONDED TO THE BATTERY TEST SO > FAR. It really doesn't take that much effort to perform these tests. And > the results would be very interesting. I still have questions about power > use by these third party DRAM cards, which the testing would resolve. Well, two data sets aren't really enough to do anything with so I am forced to extend the date indefinately. EVERYONE, please try to note the times of your battery life. To make things easier, you can pick up either Memsize or PMPatrol, which both have time up counters -- simply record the circumstances you are operating under and send 'em my way! Also, as Brian mentioned, please include the manufacturer of you DRAM card.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 16:10:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:10:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA20623; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:36:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:36:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA20606; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:36:24 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:36:12 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232136.AA22674@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:36:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR BATTERY TEST GUIDLINES There are certain conditions I'd like to test. 1. No Activity Test: Disable the screen and hard drive suspend options. Don't have any apps other than either Windows or OS/2 and the fuel applet. Let it run down to 5%. 2. Suspend Test: Put your machine in suspend and let it sit. Now I know most of you are too busy to let your machines sit all the way through this one so I would just like you to record one or two overnight suspends. Record the exact time you suspend and the exact time you bring it out and check the fuel guage. 3. "Normal" High Use Test: Just go about your daily routines and record the time it takes for your machine to reach 5% fuel. Since this will probably be the most variable, I'd prefer multiple tests, if possible. Also, to standardize things, use the high setting. Leave the suspend screen and hard drive settings at a level where you normally would. And lastly, don't use PCMCIA cards. 4. "PCMCIA" Use Test: As #3 except use your PCMCIA card(s) the whole time. 5. "Normal" Medium Use Test: (OPTIONAL) See #3 except set it to the Medium level. 6. Game-Play Test: Yes, why not? Play a rather disk and CPU intensive game such as Wolfenstein 3-D and use the audio system. 7. In-Use Partial Recharge: How long does it take to recharge to 80% when you're using your machine? 8. In-Use Full Recharge: How about 99%? 9. Power-Off Recharge: How long does it take to recharge when your TP is off? I know that there are a lot of tests, but I feel that this will give us a better range to deal with. Also, not everyone will be able to tests all conditions so just send me what you can. Also, be sure to send it to me personally so that we don't pollute our mailing list. My email is seanchou@uiuc.edu. This is an example of what to send and what to include: ----------- System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 DRAM card by Viking Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 Test#3. Lotus 1-2-3, file management, various other data tasks. 2:14. ----------- BTW, those are real numbers. If you have any comments, please send them to me. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 20:19:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04860 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:19:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA29377; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:49:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:49:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA29230; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:49:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199402240149.UAA29230@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 17:46:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402232107.AA10457@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 23, 94 3:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this > > malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing > > I see now. John Kim has said that's part of the SL chip so I don't > know if that will work. A workaround may be to just try to keep > the system active enough unless the serial port incoming thing > works. Maybe a cron file that will run something in the background > periodically? The way I get around the auto-processor-slowdown is hit the Trackpoint every few seconds. That seems to wake the CPU up and reset whatever clock it's using to determine if you're not doing anything. You can try pushing on the TPII (make circles or whatever you want) while the SLIP connection is up and see if that solves the telnet problem. If it does, you've proved the power management is the culprit. If it doesn't, maybe it's something else. This is an ISA machine after all, not exactly well suited for multitasking, especially if you're going thru the built-in serial port with a 16450 UART. (If you're curious why I'd want to defeat the power management, it's really irritating to have a compile going, leave the room, come back a few minutes later, find it compiling the same file, hit the TPII, and watch it compile the next two files in 15 seconds or so. Plugging it in to the AC adapter seems to shut the power management off, although I'm not really sure. Oooh, goody, another semi-useless test to do...) Oh, what's this I hear about a modem that replaces the floppy drive? I thought the internal serial power was for the PCMCIA slots, although the manual is vague enough about it to make it impossible to tell. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 05:40:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07825 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 05:39:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA29789; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA29737; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:32 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:24/EUnetD-2.4.2.d) via EUnet id LAA18284; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:35:26 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:28:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9402241028.AA04211@osix.Materna.DE> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 power management Status: OR > The way I get around the auto-processor-slowdown is hit the Trackpoint > every few seconds. That seems to wake the CPU up and reset whatever > clock it's using to determine if you're not doing anything. You can > try pushing on the TPII (make circles or whatever you want) while the > SLIP connection is up and see if that solves the telnet problem. If > it does, you've proved the power management is the culprit. If it > doesn't, maybe it's something else. This is an ISA machine after all, > not exactly well suited for multitasking, especially if you're going > thru the built-in serial port with a 16450 UART. Well, maybe you are right with pushing the TPII. I would prefer a solution which will require a little bit less action :-).. BTW, no problem with the buildin UART. I-LINK says, it uses 105 KBp/s with that think... > (If you're curious why I'd want to defeat the power management, it's > really irritating to have a compile going, leave the room, come back > a few minutes later, find it compiling the same file, hit the TPII, and > watch it compile the next two files in 15 seconds or so. Plugging it > in to the AC adapter seems to shut the power management off, although > I'm not really sure. Oooh, goody, another semi-useless test to do...) I've tried some combinations so far (with and without power.exe loaded etc.). What I'am doing now is: - load power.exe in config.sys - do NOT load fueldos.exe in config.sys - switch off power management with "power off" in autoexec.bat This seem to work (even with external AC adapter, but sometimes also with battery power). --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-44141 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 24 08:40:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23412 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:40:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA28971; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:32:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:32:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA28831; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:32:17 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23977; Thu, 24 Feb 94 02:12:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA762084673 Thu, 24 Feb 94 02:11:13 EST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 02:11:13 EST Message-Id: <9401247620.AA762084673@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 Status: OR My video driver revision: When I run VESA.exe, I see version 1.07 The printed label on the disk says version 1.12. What's the best way to get the 1.20 version video driver? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 24 09:09:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 09:09:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA01061; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:34:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:34:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA00912; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:34:24 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22770 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 01:04:23 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402240704.AA22770@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Internal serial port To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 01:04:22 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402240149.UAA29230@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Feb 23, 94 05:46:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Oh, what's this I hear about a modem that replaces the floppy drive? > I thought the internal serial power was for the PCMCIA slots, although > the manual is vague enough about it to make it impossible to tell. No, the internal serial port is for an internal device such as the $800 cellular modem (or maybe it's more) that supposed to fit into the floppy bay. Of course, that leaves the door open for other people to use the internal serial device...maybe an ISDN connection or something? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 10:28:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24810 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 10:28:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18647; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:01:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:01:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18640; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:01:27 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26171; Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:57:59 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA762115778 Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:49:38 EST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:49:38 EST Message-Id: <9401247621.AA762115778@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ke@Materna.DE, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 power management Status: OR Yhe auto-processor slow-down 'feature' can easily be disabled. I'm doing it in OS/2 using the provided thinkpad power management utility. Actually, I've been able to toggle between 'jet airplane', 'race car' and economy 'bicycle' from the keyboard Fn key, regardless of which window has the focus. There are a few ways to change modes in DOS. I'd probably start with the ps2 command. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 11:51:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25832 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:51:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25485; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:24:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:24:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25478; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:24:38 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA19172; Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:32:42 CST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:32:42 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402241732.AA19172@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem Status: OR Dear all: I recently purchased an AT&T KIT modem, which works just fine with my TP750C. I am a DOS/WINDOWS person, and I am using the drivers from the most recent ThinkPad Utilities diskette (along with EasyPlay and the DOS command Ramboost). A problem I have been having is that with these drivers loaded, the machine will not go into either suspend or hibernate mode. The documentation for the machine does state that the machine may not be able to hibernate with a PCMCIA card, but it says nothing about not being able to suspend. Would anyone like to help? I think that the problem arises because the modem stays on (at least the light for the card remains on). The commands pcmciaof and pcmciaon (part of the new Utilities set) do nothing. In case you are interested, my config.sys file is given below. Thanks in advance for your help. SW P.S. Here's my config.sys ******************* DEVICE=C:\windows\HIMEM.SYS FILES=30 BUFFERS=10 dos=high DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS RAM X=C000-CFFF device=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CFFF DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.INI DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\SRAMDRV2.SYS DEVICE=c:\dos\power.exe DEVICE=C:\thinkpad\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE STACKS=9,256 SHELL=C:\UTILITY\NORTON\NDOS.COM /p ***************** I have tried this with and without the power device driver, and it makes no difference. My solution now is simply not to lad the easyplay drivers when I am not using the modem, but I would rather get the machine to properly hibernate/suspend with the modem operational. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 20:06:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11540 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 20:06:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA28027; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:35:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:35:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA28013; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:35:28 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24933; Thu, 24 Feb 94 18:34:16 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402242334.AA24933@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:32:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@ssnet.com In-Reply-To: <9402241732.AA19172@kentucky> from "Stanley Wasserman" at Feb 24, 94 11:32:42 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: forster@ssnet.com Status: OR Stanley Wasserman writes: : : : Dear all: : : I recently purchased an AT&T KIT modem, which works just fine with : my TP750C. I am a DOS/WINDOWS person, and : I am using the drivers from the most recent : ThinkPad Utilities diskette (along with EasyPlay and the DOS : command Ramboost). : : A problem I have been having is that with these drivers loaded, : the machine will not go into either suspend or hibernate mode. : The documentation for the machine does state that the machine : may not be able to hibernate with a PCMCIA card, but it says : nothing about not being able to suspend. I had a similar problem, in that my TP750 would not enter suspend or hibernate anymore. However, that was using OS/2, and the reason was a driver for the IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter, and not the AT&T KiT modem that I also had installed (the ethernet driver did not like being stopped). However, when trying to solve this problem, I found that it is extremely important in which order drivers are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. By observing the right order, I am now able to enter suspend and hibernate mode with the AT&T modem installed, and suspend (but not hibernate) with the modem and the ethernet card installed. I realize that there may be some differences between DOS and OS/2, but I would suggest that you put the line loading the AUTODRV.SYS before the line loading IBMDSS01.SYS (that's how I have it in OS/2). Also, in OS/2 there is an EasyPlay driver (EZPLAY2.SYS) that is loaded in CONFIG.SYS before AUTODRV2.SYS, and I don't see anything like that in your CONFIG.SYS. This EasyPlay driver takes care of recognizing when the card is removed and reinserted, etc., so I would think that it also plays a key role with suspend and hibernate modes. : : Would anyone like to help? I think that the problem arises because : the modem stays on (at least the light for the card remains on). : The commands pcmciaof and pcmciaon (part of the new Utilities set) : do nothing. I hope I was able to help a little. : : In case you are interested, my config.sys file is given below. : Thanks in advance for your help. : : : SW : : : P.S. Here's my config.sys : : ******************* : DEVICE=C:\windows\HIMEM.SYS : FILES=30 : BUFFERS=10 : dos=high : DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS RAM X=C000-CFFF : device=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDOSCS.SYS : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CFFF : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\$ICPMDOS.SYS : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.INI : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\SRAMDRV2.SYS : DEVICE=c:\dos\power.exe : DEVICE=C:\thinkpad\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE : STACKS=9,256 : SHELL=C:\UTILITY\NORTON\NDOS.COM /p : ***************** : : I have tried this with and without the power device driver, and it makes : no difference. My solution now is simply not to lad the easyplay : drivers when I am not using the modem, but I would rather get the : machine to properly hibernate/suspend with the modem operational. : : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, : University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology : Professor, Beckman Institute : ****************************************************************************** : stanwass@uiuc.edu * : sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * : ********************* * : 217 333-3325 * : 217 244-6905 * : 217 244-5876 (fax) * : ***************************************************************************** : : Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 25 21:04:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:04:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA29328; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:41:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:41:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA29315; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:40:57 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.50) id SAA09763; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 18:39:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 18:39:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199402260239.SAA09763@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR >Stanley Wasserman writes: > : > : > : Dear all: > : > : I recently purchased an AT&T KIT modem, which works just fine with > : my TP750C. I am a DOS/WINDOWS person, and > : I am using the drivers from the most recent > : ThinkPad Utilities diskette (along with EasyPlay and the DOS > : command Ramboost). > : > : A problem I have been having is that with these drivers loaded, > : the machine will not go into either suspend or hibernate mode. > : The documentation for the machine does state that the machine > : may not be able to hibernate with a PCMCIA card, but it says > : nothing about not being able to suspend. Peter Forester wrote:> >I had a similar problem, in that my TP750 would not enter suspend or hibernate >anymore. However, that was using OS/2, and the reason was a driver for the >IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter, and not the AT&T KiT modem that I also had >installed (the ethernet driver did not like being stopped). > >However, when trying to solve this problem, I found that it is extremely >important in which order drivers are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. By observing the >right order, I am now able to enter suspend and hibernate mode with the >AT&T modem installed, and suspend (but not hibernate) with the modem and the >ethernet card installed. > >I hope I was able to help a little. > Thank you. I also had the problem of the TP not suspending. This happened after I replaced my COM.SYS (dated 4/29/93) in the OS/2 folder with the newer one (dated 11/11/93) that came with EZPLAY2 and resides in the Thinkpad folder. I read there were some problems with older COM.SYS files, and I wrongly concluded that the newer one might be better. I went back to the older one in the OS/2 folder. I think you have found the reason for this problem. The Easy Playing driver seems to work great with the AT&T modem as you stated. The only problem I have is that the computer won't come out of suspend on receipt of a fax using FaxWorks for OS/2. I believe the wake on incoming call feature is set correctly in power. Have you solved this one also? Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 26 07:20:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:20:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA11365; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:58:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:58:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA11358; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:58:39 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17309; Sat, 26 Feb 94 07:57:26 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402261257.AA17309@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem To: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:57:25 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402260239.SAA09763@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 25, 94 06:39:15 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Brian K. Tarkington writes: : : Peter Forster wrote:> : >I had a similar problem, in that my TP750 would not enter suspend or hibernate : >anymore. However, that was using OS/2, and the reason was a driver for the : >IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter, and not the AT&T KiT modem that I also had : >installed (the ethernet driver did not like being stopped). : > : >However, when trying to solve this problem, I found that it is extremely : >important in which order drivers are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. By observing the : >right order, I am now able to enter suspend and hibernate mode with the : >AT&T modem installed, and suspend (but not hibernate) with the modem and the : >ethernet card installed. : > : : >I hope I was able to help a little. : > : Thank you. I also had the problem of the TP not suspending. This happened : after I replaced my COM.SYS (dated 4/29/93) in the OS/2 folder with the : newer one (dated 11/11/93) that came with EZPLAY2 and resides in the : Thinkpad folder. I read there were some problems with older COM.SYS files, : and I wrongly concluded that the newer one might be better. I went back to : the older one in the OS/2 folder. I think you have found the reason for : this problem. The Easy Playing driver seems to work great with the AT&T : modem as you stated. Actually, I am using the COM.SYS that came with the EasyPlay drivers and have had no problems with that. : : The only problem I have is that the computer won't come out of suspend on : receipt of a fax using FaxWorks for OS/2. I believe the wake on incoming : call feature is set correctly in power. Have you solved this one also? : Sorry, but I haven't needed that feature yet, so I never tried. : : Brian K. Tarkington : University of California at Davis : bktarkington@ucdavis.edu : : : Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 26 12:40:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24191 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:40:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25442; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:24:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:24:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25435; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:24:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA17742; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:26:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Intro To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Howdy, This is my "introduction," as requseted when I signed up to this list. I am a grad student at GW, and a Microsoftware developer in Washington DC. I am 22, and have been into computers since I was 11 years old. I have a "bottom of the line" (if there is such a thing!) Thinkpad 750, 170KB hard drive, 4MB ram. I am running Stacker 4.0 for windows, I am connected to a Novell Network at work, using Netware 3.11 and the IBM PCMCIA adapter. Currently I am in the market for emory, better sound, and a docking station, for my Virtual office. (I have a PS/2 55sx which I use at the same time.) I guess that's about it! I am glad to be on this list, with others who think the ThinkPad is the must bitchin' thing on the market! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 27 16:09:13 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:09:08 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02045 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:00:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA20314; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:44:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:44:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA20306; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:44:23 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02925; Sun, 27 Feb 94 11:44:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 11:44:28 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402271644.AA02925@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: battery usage Status: OR TP 750C, 16 meg card (don't know manufacturer), 24 hours on suspend, battery down to 48%. Normal battery life, with PS2 BR N, and disk blazing away constantly (doing large compilations under OS/2), just over 2 hours. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 27 16:59:05 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01296 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:59:03 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18756 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:10:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA26746; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:49:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:49:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA26739; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199402271849.NAA26739@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: EASYPLAY.DOC To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 10:49:15 PST From: "John H. Kim" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR I finally broke down and grabbed the latest TP750 drivers off the NSC BBS. The latest versions there are: Utility: 1.2 Video: 1.12 Audio: 1.10 System: 1.02 355803 bytes Maintenance: 1.00 194561 bytes This was late at night so I didn't realize I already have the Audio 1.10 disk and grabbed it too. :( Does anyone know what the System 1.02 and Maintenance 1.00 disks are? Are there newer versions of any of these disks on CompuServe? Where are they? I've got $15 of CompuServe credit I got with my modem, although I'd prefer to use it for something else. Anyways, there were no docs for the EasyPlay drivers. Can somebody mail me a copy? Better yet, mail me a message saying you can mail me a copy and I'll reply with an OK. That way I won't get a dozen copies. :) Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 27 21:27:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 21:27:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA27190; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:09:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:09:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA27182; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:09:48 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05728; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 19:08:41 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 19:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <69041.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: OS/2 & PCMCIA power Status: OR How do you turn off a PCMCIA card under OS/2? I've managed to get my AT&T KIT modem working under OS/2 (it defaulted to COM2 even though I've set the external serial port as COM2), but I want to turn the power off when I'm running off the battery and not using the modem. I'm assuming the little PCMCIA status light (right next to the floppy light and recharge light) works and that it's supposed to turn off when I turn the power off. I haven't managed to do that so far. Even the DOS EZPlay PCMCIA stuff doesn't work. Has anybody gotten it working, or am I just going to have to yank the modem out when I'm not using it? (That's not that bad actually. The 8MB memory module I bought came in a plastic case that's just the right size for the PCMCIA modem. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 15:25:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10396 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:24:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17849; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:50:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:50:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17836; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:50:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24404 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:50:11 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402282050.AA24404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 & PCMCIA power To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:50:09 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <69041.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Feb 27, 94 07:10:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > How do you turn off a PCMCIA card under OS/2? I've managed to get my AT&T > KIT modem working under OS/2 (it defaulted to COM2 even though I've set the > external serial port as COM2), but I want to turn the power off when I'm That's a great unsolved mystery. I've been playing with both the OS/2 and Windows drivers and I can't seem to ge the light to turn off (hence, turning off juice to the PCM slots) for the life of me! As for the COM port bit...hmmm. Weird. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 15:31:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13003 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:31:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA18212; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:54:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:54:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA18203; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:54:07 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25971 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:53:53 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: PCM Power & Strange disks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:53:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402282045.AA22480@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Mail Delivery Subsystem" at Feb 28, 94 02:45:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I finally broke down and grabbed the latest TP750 drivers off the NSC BBS. > The latest versions there are: Thanks for the info! > disk and grabbed it too. :( Does anyone know what the System 1.02 and > Maintenance 1.00 disks are? Are there newer versions of any of these disks I have not idea. But while we're on the subject, does anyone know what reference disks are? Should I have made them before wiping out my hard drive setup that came with the machine? Anyway, there are no newer copies on compuserve. But there are copies of the EasyPlay documentation. I got a copy in Word format, with some nice pictures... From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Mon Feb 28 16:16:12 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03486 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:16:07 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA13051; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:15:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA03839; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:15:41 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402282215.OAA03839@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: PCM Power & Strange disks To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:15:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 28, 94 02:53:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1292 Status: OR > I have not idea. But while we're on the subject, does anyone know > what reference disks are? Reference disks are/were an annoying way to access the machine's BIOS on some older computers--mostly by IBM, but not exclusively so (I used to have to mess with one of those stupid disks with an old-ish HP Vectra machine). You needed them for just about *anything* you adjusted on the computer, outside of tweaking the AUTOEXEC & CONFIG files... I think they play a special role in configuration of new cards and the like on Microchannel machines--and since IBM pretty much makes the only MCA machines, that's why the "reference disk" has become synonymous with IBM's PC's. Fortunately, the ThinkPad 750 series requires no such thing--you already know how to access the BIOS for changing settings. > Should I have made them before wiping out > my hard drive setup that came with the machine? Nope--there was no such necessity for your 750. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 16:22:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06240 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:22:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21615; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:41:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:41:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21605; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:41:16 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12716; Mon, 28 Feb 94 13:41:06 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11509; Mon, 28 Feb 94 13:40:11 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12096; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 13:40:52 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 13:40:52 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402282140.AA12096@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCM Power & Strange disks In-Reply-To: <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402282045.AA22480@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu> <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: OR The TP750 doesn't have a reference disk like the PS/2s do. > Does anyone know what the System 1.02 and Maintenance 1.00 disks are? The system disk has a BIOS on it, dated 11/25/93. If your BIOS is older than this, you might want to upgrade, especially if you have a 750CS or 750P. If you have the 750CE, there's an even newer BIOS on the BBS. The maint disk has some test stuff on it. You can ignore it unless you want to be "complete" in your collection of 750 disks from IBM. :-) This is from memory since my disks are at home. > copies of the EasyPlay documentation. I got a copy in Word format, with > some nice pictures... Oh, covet covet. I almost signed up for Compuserve this weekend. ..bob From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Feb 28 16:40:56 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:40:52 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12490; Mon, 28 Feb 94 17:40:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 17:40:48 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402282240.AA12490@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: PCM Power & Strange disks Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR actually these days, virtually any EISA machine requires separate diskettes with configuration files etc. There is usually a minimal config in the BIOS, but it is only for desparation use, e.g. when the diskette won't boot, and IBM can hardly be accused of perpetrating this approach on EISA machines! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 16:44:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15682 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:44:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA22090; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:45:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:45:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pinyon.libre.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA22074; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (flyer@localhost) by pinyon.libre.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA20393; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:37:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:28:39 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Gross Subject: information To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello- we are using a thinkpad 750C with 4M of RAM, 170M HD, and an IBM high speed PCMCIA data fax modem. Operating system is DOS and MS Windows. We needed a notebook that has a large, easy to view display, good battery life, and the ability to upgrade components without going to a service facility. Some comments: 1. The battery life is advertised to be 3-8 hours, depending on useage applications in use, ps modes selected. I never get more than 2:10 minutes of use on a fully charged battery. 2. Using the hibernation mode, when I return to the application in use, I lose power to the PC card, requiring a reboot. Any comments? Thanks- Steve From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 17:17:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:17:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26479; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:43:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:43:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.Novell.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26472; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:43:05 -0500 Received: from stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM by ns.Novell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13167; Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:47:26 MST Received: by stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA04767; Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:40:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:40:22 -0700 From: James Grant Message-Id: <9402282240.AA04767@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Num Lock Off Status: OR Is there a way to set Num Lock to off other than by using a DOS command? I have a TP750C and my version of DOS does not include a Num Lock off command. Thanks, James jgrant@novell From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 21:04:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14741 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:04:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA09204; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:11:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:11:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA09197; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:11:47 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Mon, 28 Feb 94 20:11 CDT Message-Id: <24022820112637@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 20:11 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: Introducing... me To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR Hi! I'm Chris Schumann, and I'm a ThinkPad owner (Hi Chris) 750P, 4MB RAM, 170 MB hard disk. MegaHertz 14.4Kbaud PCMCIA modem Yamaha CBX-T3 tone generator / MIDI interface I guess you could call my stereo an accessory at times... :-) Coolest pen app: Minesweeper (sigh) Oh, yes. I am using IBM-DOS 6.1, MS Windows 3.1, and MS Windows for Pen 1.0. I'll just lurk for a while if that's ok... chris