From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 01:44:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24232; Thu, 1 Jun 95 01:44:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27719; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:32:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:32:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27705; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:31:56 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA66322; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:31:53 GMT Message-Id: <199506010531.AA66322@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip36-11.il.us.ibm.net(129.37.36.11) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaAw8Dmb; Thu Jun 1 05:31:46 1995 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 18:14:59 PDT From: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Stephen Hosmer's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) On Tue, 30 May 95 14:55:32 MDT you wrote: In fact, the only suggestion they could >offer was to upgrade to a newer machine which uses the MWave chip and >therefore also uses a newer, different BIOS than that which is used in >the TP355, 360, and 750 series machines (!). Did they actually have an upgrade price, or did they mean to pay full price for a new machine? ________________________________ Stephen Hosmer shosmer@ibm.net Does anybody want to buy this 750C? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 01:44:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24237; Thu, 1 Jun 95 01:44:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27704; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:31:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:31:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27693; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 01:31:52 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA140554; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 05:31:42 GMT Message-Id: <199506010531.AA140554@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip36-11.il.us.ibm.net(129.37.36.11) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaAwICrx; Thu Jun 1 05:31:41 1995 Date: Wed, 31 May 95 18:20:45 PDT From: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Stephen Hosmer's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) On Tue, 30 May 1995 21:22:27 +0100 Victor Kress wrote: >Exactly what problems are you refering to? I use suspend and hibernation >all the time on my 750 with no probs. Perhaps this is a 3xx specific >problem. I never use the password, but I thought that that problem was >fixed several thinkpad disks back. I have only two nits, which some might >call problems. I used to hibernate at least every day, but recently I've >taken to leaving the battery out of the machine and taking the power brick >home instead in order to save my battery. The machine will not let you >hibernate without the battery in place (unless you booted with the battery >in place!). This means I have to boot at least once a day, or pop in the >battery. Why boot at all? Just hibernate everytime you poweroff. (I do). ________________________________ Stephen Hosmer shosmer@ibm.net Does anybody want to buy this 750C? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 04:27:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14926; Thu, 1 Jun 95 04:27:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10887; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:15:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:15:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from panix3.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10870; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:15:48 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.6.12/8.6.12+PanixU1.0) id EAA11934; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:15:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:15:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP Subject: Re: 755cd and Asymetrix DVP problems In-Reply-To: <199505312359.QAA20025@alcor.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 31 May 1995, Randal Whittle wrote: > > I recently attempted to capture video on my TP755cd for the first time, > > using Asymetrix Digital Video Producer. Every time I try to "Preview > > Video", the system crashes due to a "memory parity error". Anyone know > > what this means? Or if there's a solution to it? > > Usually this kind of error means you have a bad memory card/chip > of some sort. > > If so, you may have had it all along and never knew it, because > you never really maxed out your memory until you did something stringent > like this. I don't think it's a memory chip problem. I've maxed out on memory many times without any error messages or crashes. I frequently open 5MB graphics files in Photoshop, for example, without any trouble. With DVP, however, the system crashes after only one second of video capture. I have 24MB of RAM on the 755cd, so I can't be maxing out on RAM in that amount of time. I don't think it's a Windows problem either. The DVP I'm using was moved >from another disk drive (with a separate version of Windows on it). Both DVPs have crashed when used on my 755cd. Are there any memory utilities which could diagnose this? Also, someone mentioned that IBM can check my system over the phone. How does this work? If it my memory needs to be replaced, how long does this take? I need the 755cd every day for work. Thanks for all your assistance! Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 08:29:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15629; Thu, 1 Jun 95 08:29:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28697; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:12:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:12:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pelican.cit.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28687; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:12:37 -0400 Received: from CU-DIALUP-0428.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by pelican.cit.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03chaos) id AA25489; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:10:57 -0400 Message-Id: <9506011210.AA25489@pelican.cit.cornell.edu> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) From: Bob Cowles To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 08:11:06 EDT Reply-To: Bob Cowles Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) Addressed to: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ** Reply to note from kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com 05/30/95 2:55pm MDT I have a 755c and am using all Warp drivers except for $icpmos2 ... I think that that is power management. As I recall, hibernation does not work properly with Warp version of the driver (I seem to recall that suspend/resume was OK, tho.) With the configuration I am using, hibernation works about 75% of the time -- and I have been unable to figure out the set of circumstances that causes it to stop working. I'll probably go back to using the thinkpad drivers when I get some time to mess with it. The reason I was trying to get along with the Warp drivers was an attempt to get sound to work when running a Windows application (eg PowerPoint) under OS/2 AND have it also work when running Windows native. If I used the Thinkpad drivers I con't get any sound from Windows applications under OS/2 but they would work just fine running native. By using the Warp drivers, I can get sound from Windows apps running under OS/2 but it is at a reduced volume even though every sound volume control I can find is set to the max. I also have lost sound completely when running native ... it acts like everything should work (drivers seem happy), but no sound from the speaker. Any advice would be welcome. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Cowles (aka Dr. Chaos) rdc1@cornell.edu & drchaos@pelican.cit.cornell.edu ...the quick inference, ... the clever forecast of coming events, the triumphant vindication of bold theories -- are these not the pride and the justification of our life's work?-Sherlock Holmes in "Valley of Fear" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 10:09:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27380; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:09:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06187; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:59:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:59:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06176; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:59:04 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sHAlL-0001bGC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:58 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jun 95 15:58:14 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jun 95 15:57:59 GMT+2 From: "Richard Ellerbrock" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:57:54 GMT+2 Subject: Re: SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp Reply-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) X-Confirm-Reading-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <5E9E3901C53@netman.eskom.co.za> > > Please could you tell me how to go about getting Warp for Windows (no > > Windows code with my Warp) working at resolutions higher than > > 640x480x256c on an external monitor connected to my 755c. The standard > > wd0c24 drivers shipped with Warp refuse to go higher (don't even get > > the option) and installing the old 2.1 video features disk really > > messed up my system. > > Hook up an external monitor and disable the LCD display. Start a full > screen DOS session and run the command "svga on". Go back to OS/2's > setup notebook and you should find options for 800x600 and 1024x768. > Select one and reboot. > > Note that there ARE problems with a system that is configured for > anything other than 640x480 when you switch between the LCD and > CRT... You are a star! It worked. Took me six months to find a solution to my problem. Now please tell me why my monitor goes out of sync in a text session at 1024x768. Graphics works fine! I would have thought that the graphics session would have gone out of sync. I have played around with the setcrt command, but with no success. -- richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Richard Ellerbrock (ECNE) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 10:33:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00249; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:33:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08121; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:21:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:21:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08085; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:21:10 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sHB6M-0001bIC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:19 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jun 95 16:19:57 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jun 95 16:19:42 GMT+2 From: "Richard Ellerbrock" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: Chris Hanson Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:19:37 GMT+2 Subject: Re: SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp Reply-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Confirm-Reading-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <5EA406F17A3@netman.eskom.co.za> > Please could you tell me how to go about getting Warp for Windows (no > Windows code with my Warp) working at resolutions higher than > 640x480x256c on an external monitor connected to my 755c. The standard > wd0c24 drivers shipped with Warp refuse to go higher (don't even get > the option) and installing the old 2.1 video features disk really > messed up my system. > > Once you have installed the 2.1 video features, you're in real > trouble. I did this once and was only able to fix it by reinstalling > Warp. A friend also did this, and we were able to patch his system > into a working state by manually comparing the files in his \os2 > directory with the files in mine, and copying two or three of the Warp > files back onto his machine. > > Reinstalling the Warp video drivers doesn't work, because it doesn't > seem to overwrite all of the necessary files. Unfortunately, we > didn't write down the list of files that we munged at the time, and > now I no longer remember. I re-installed the video drivers and managed to get the system working (sort of!). I also managed to get higher resolution (somebody on the list told me what to do). I am still having problems with Windows though. Would it be possible to send me a dir listing of your Windows and system dirs, plus a copy of your system.ini file. You are running Warp for Windows I presume. -- richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Richard Ellerbrock (ECNE) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 10:37:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00284; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:37:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08564; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:26:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:26:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08553; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 10:26:20 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21424; Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:24:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 10:24:25 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506011424.AA21424@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za, strat@dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp incidentally, this procedure is exactly documented in the documentation that came with my thinkpad 755CX (in the boklet on using your thinkpad with Warp) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 11:28:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10811; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:28:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12819; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:17:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:17:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dkh406e.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12805; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:17:47 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by dkh406e.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA02698 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:58 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506011413.JAA02698@dkh406e.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Inroduction and Request for NT3.5 help To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 09:13:58 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Brian Perry" at May 30, 95 11:00:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > system. The OS is Windows NT 3.5.1 ( 944 Build ), dual boot with WFW 311. Ah, latest thing, huh? ;) > Expect to upgrade soon to Windows 95. I use a Parallel Pocket Ethernet This will eliminate most of your NT problems. > modem for remote ( use RAS under NT and WFW ). Evaluating PCMCIA network and > modem cards for use under both operating systems. NT 3.5.1 only supports a very limited set of PCMCIA cards. Be sure to get that list; anything on it will undoubtedly have Windows drivers as well. Unfortunately, I recall that some of the supported cards are not going to be supported under some OS's (like Linux). > Does anyone have any info on display drivers that run under NT for > 640X480 256 colors? One may have come out, but I don't believe that there is one. Please correct me if I'm wrong so I can fix the FAQ. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 12:11:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16208; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:11:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16917; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:03:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:03:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16905; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:03:07 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22102; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:03:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:03:54 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506011603.AA22102@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: sean@dkh406e.cba.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Inroduction and Request for NT3.5 help ho ho, I like the idea of *upgrading* from NT 3.5 to Windows 95, BG would just love that idea! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 12:29:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17593; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:29:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18612; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:21:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:21:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from research.CS.ORST.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18599; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:21:20 -0400 Received: from topaz.CS.ORST.EDU by research.CS.ORST.EDU (4.1/1.30) id AA13877; Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:21:55 PDT Message-Id: <9506011621.AA13877@research.CS.ORST.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP755CE/Mwave/Linux/SLIP problem Cc: quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU Reply-To: quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 09:20:10 PDT From: quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU ------- I'm running Linux on my ThinkPad 755CE, and I'd like to get SLIP up and running. Does anybody know how to run SLIP over the Mwave chip? Thanks, Mike Quinn ------- Michael J. Quinn Internet: quinn@research.cs.orst.edu Department of Computer Science UUCP: ...!hplabs!hp-pcd!orstcs!quinn Oregon State University Bell-net: (503) 737-5572 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 12:58:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21525; Thu, 1 Jun 95 12:58:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20650; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:51:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:51:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20636; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:51:20 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA02639; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:46:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 12:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: TP755CE/Mwave/Linux/SLIP problem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506011621.AA13877@research.CS.ORST.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Jun 1995 quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU wrote: > I'm running Linux on my ThinkPad 755CE, and I'd like to get SLIP up and > running. Does anybody know how to run SLIP over the Mwave chip? Well, you can't ...because there are no drivers for the MWave chip stuff for Linux. I'm about to install Linux on mine ....and I got the PCMCIA boot/root disks from David Hinds' (PCMCIA author) site...and it kernel panics at boot ...while the generic Slackware boot/root disks work fine. I'd like to use the PCMCIA for installing Linux over NFS. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 13:57:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28755; Thu, 1 Jun 95 13:57:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25198; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:44:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:44:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25184; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:43:58 -0400 Received: from hp715.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA23338; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:40:34 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by hp715.cuug.ab.ca (1.37.109.16//ident-1.0) id AA298278959; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:49:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199506011749.AA298278959@hp715.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Re: TP755CE/Mwave/Linux/SLIP problem To: quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 11:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506011621.AA13877@research.CS.ORST.EDU> from "quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU" at Jun 1, 95 09:20:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm running Linux on my ThinkPad 755CE, and I'd like to get SLIP up and > running. Does anybody know how to run SLIP over the Mwave chip? > > Thanks, > > Mike Quinn Sorry - Linux doesn't support the MWave chip so you cannot use it in any way right now. I am starting a project to write a Linux driver for the MWave but don't expect to see any results for quite a while! +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 14:12:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00253; Thu, 1 Jun 95 14:12:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26239; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:54:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:54:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26226; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:54:42 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA129282; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 17:54:40 GMT Message-Id: <199506011754.AA129282@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip6-137.fl.us.ibm.net(129.37.6.137) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smamfwDmb; Thu Jun 1 17:54:28 1995 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 10:35:52 PDT From: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Stephen Hosmer's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: PCMCIA CD-ROM On Fri, 19 May 1995 11:51:36 -0400 stevens@watson.ibm.com wrote: > >Hi, I was wondering what the consensus was on the best CD-ROM drive >that will plug into my PCMCIA slot. I notice that Panasonic has a >2X drive with PCMCIA card for $290. Has anybody successfully hooked >this one up to a 750C? I have had good success using the adaptec 460 PCMCIA->SCSI and a NEC 3xe It seems to run fine, I only have one issue. You must have the card in and the drive on at bootup. This means that I cannot suspend or Hibernate or I loose the drive. I know, picky - picky. ________________________________ Stephen Hosmer shosmer@ibm.net Does anybody want to buy this 750C? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 15:58:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17005; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:58:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05028; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05016; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:37:18 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id PAA09200; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:41:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:41:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Stephen Hosmer Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: PCMCIA CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199506011754.AA129282@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Stephen Hosmer wrote: > On Fri, 19 May 1995 11:51:36 -0400 stevens@watson.ibm.com wrote: > >Hi, I was wondering what the consensus was on the best CD-ROM drive > >that will plug into my PCMCIA slot. I notice that Panasonic has a > >2X drive with PCMCIA card for $290. Has anybody successfully hooked > >this one up to a 750C? > > I have had good success using the adaptec 460 PCMCIA->SCSI and a NEC 3xe > > It seems to run fine, I only have one issue. You must have the card in and the drive on at bootup. > This means that I cannot suspend or Hibernate or I loose the drive. This is pretty much the same situation with the Panasonic SCSI card (that comes with the D720 CD ROM). It will load the ASPI driver if the card is not in (although I haven't yet tried putting in in later and using it,so tht may not be worth anything), but the CD ASPI driver fails if the drive is not connected, and MSCDEX won't load unless it can find the driver. MSCDEX I could live with - I can load it from the command line. The ASPI-CD driver, though, is a device driver, so I have to reboot to use the CD ROM. Have I mentioned how much I hate DOS? ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "I timed it. It took 22 seconds for him to hate you." - Chicago Hope ======================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 16:13:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19430; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:13:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06703; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:56:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:56:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06350; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:52:59 -0400 Received: by FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA28832; Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:52:06 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 15:52:06 EDT From: fox@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (David Fox) Message-Id: <9506011952.AA28832@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> To: quinn@chert.CS.ORST.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE/Mwave/Linux/SLIP problem In-Reply-To: <9506011621.AA13877@research.CS.ORST.EDU> References: <9506011621.AA13877@research.CS.ORST.EDU> > I'm running Linux on my ThinkPad 755CE, and I'd like to get SLIP up and > running. Does anybody know how to run SLIP over the Mwave chip? I don't think you can use the Mwave chip at all under Linux, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I run SLIP without incident using a MegaHertz PCMCIA modem. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 17:04:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25860; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:04:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11665; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11655; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:50:31 -0400 Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA111439816; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:50:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:50:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Subject: Linux, TP, and ZipDrive To: TP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone successfully been able to access the ZipDrive over Linux? How? see ya. --Conrad Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Northwestern University conrada-b@nwu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 17:10:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26752; Thu, 1 Jun 95 17:10:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11891; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:52:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:52:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11881; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:52:23 -0400 Received: by FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA28930; Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:53:08 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 16:53:08 EDT From: fox@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (David Fox) Message-Id: <9506012053.AA28930@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE/Mwave/Linux/SLIP problem In-Reply-To: <9506011952.AA28832@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> References: <9506011621.AA13877@research.CS.ORST.EDU> <9506011952.AA28832@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> David Fox writes: > > I'm running Linux on my ThinkPad 755CE, and I'd like to get SLIP up and > > running. Does anybody know how to run SLIP over the Mwave chip? > > I don't think you can use the Mwave chip at all under Linux, > but please correct me if I'm wrong. I run SLIP without incident > using a MegaHertz PCMCIA modem. Sorry about giving an answer that was already given. To add some value to the discussion, let me just say that in order to install Linux via NFS on a Thinkpad 755CED you could take Dave Hind's non-working bootdisk/rootdisk pair and follow the instructions in SLAKWARE.FAQ for replacing a bootdisk kernel: Q: How do I make a Slackware bootkernel disk with this new kernel I made? A: OK, well you grab an existing one like the "bare.gz", put it on a floppy, and do this: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt (this mounts it) cat zImage > /mnt/vmlinuz (put the new kernel in place) rdev -R /mnt/vmlinuz 0 (mount read-write) rdev /mnt/vmlinuz /dev/fd0H1440 (use that drive, or /dev/fd0h1200) rdev -r /mnt/vmlinuz 1440 (set the ramdisk size, or use 1200 with 1.2 meg) lilo -r /mnt (reinstall lilo) umount /mnt (that's it! you're done! :^) I have a working 1.2.2 kernel which I will place on cs.nyu.edu:pub/local/fox/linux/pcmcia-k.tgz. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 1 22:11:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20105; Thu, 1 Jun 95 22:11:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01118; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:00:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:00:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01099; Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:00:27 -0400 Received: from sparky.etc.bc.ca by cln.etc.bc.ca for tp750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA12789; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:59:58 PDT Received: by sparky.etc.bc.ca (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA05350; Thu, 1 Jun 95 18:59:46 PDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:59:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: PCMCIA CD-ROM To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506011754.AA129282@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Has anyone had any experience with the Z drive (CD ROM player, PCMCIA adaptor, 16 bit sound and speakers)? It seems to be quite competitively priced for this all encompassing unit. I believe the CD ROM unit is X2, non-SCSI. Pat O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 00:47:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28819; Fri, 2 Jun 95 00:47:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11118; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:39:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:39:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11108; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:39:32 -0400 From: Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA001597932; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:38:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 00:38:52 -0400 Message-Id: <950602003851_19615052@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP755C Windows Audio Does anybody know how to change the default settings for the three controls of wave out, midi out, and mic gain in the audio control? This is for the Thinkpad 755 series and the audio control for Windows. I would like to know how to save settings as well. Thanks. Mark From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 10:39:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28250; Fri, 2 Jun 95 10:39:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22842; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:27:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:27:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22831; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:27:40 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA155178; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:27:34 GMT Message-Id: <199506021427.AA155178@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip37-6.il.us.ibm.net(129.37.37.6) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma7xwDe7; Fri Jun 2 14:27:24 1995 Date: Thu, 01 Jun 95 18:22:46 PDT From: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Stephen Hosmer's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: SVGA Win-OS2 under Warp On Wed, 31 May 95 16:32:37 BST DGJ@mfltd.co.uk wrote: >Simply boot up with the OS/2 installation diskette (don't ask me what you >CD-ROM users have to do!), and when you get to install disk 1, you elect to >exit to an OS/2 prompt without going any further. Change to your \OS2 >directory and enter SETVGA C: (or whatever your OS/2 drive is). Follow >on screen instructions and when you reboot everything works again in >glorious VGA! The simple way to recover VGA mode in Warp is to press F1 at bootup when you see the os/2 bar. This will give you a menu of "recovery" options. >It's amazing what you can learn from the manuals. Although I can't speak for >Warp... ________________________________ Stephen Hosmer shosmer@ibm.net Does anybody want to buy this 750C? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 12:26:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09130; Fri, 2 Jun 95 12:26:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01853; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:16:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:16:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Spectrum.RNS.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01816; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:16:36 -0400 Received: from karma.rns.com.rns.com by Spectrum.RNS.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1(Spectrum)) id AA00659; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:09:13 PDT Received: by karma.rns.com.rns.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18021; Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:13:16 PDT Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 09:13:16 PDT From: raward@karma.RNS.COM (Richard A. Ward) Message-Id: <9506021613.AA18021@karma.rns.com.rns.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: gator cdrom I read about a cdrom called the "Gator" in the FAQ. What is the approximate cost of the Gator? Double vs quad speed? Is it widely available? Thanks From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 13:10:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10998; Fri, 2 Jun 95 13:10:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05182; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:59:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:58:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05172; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:58:58 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA28424; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:53:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 12:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Linux Xconfig for 755ce To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506021613.AA18021@karma.rns.com.rns.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I managed to install Linux on a 755ce over NFS using just a set of root/boot disks I made. Anyone have an Xconfig file for a 755ce.. ...? http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 15:34:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21103; Fri, 2 Jun 95 15:34:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18337; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:21:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:21:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18316; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:21:57 -0400 Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA032770910; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:21:50 -0500 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 14:21:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Subject: Linux XF86Config for X5XCs? To: taoster! Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I can't get any of the info for the Dual-scan screens for my config. Could someone mail me theirs? see ya. --Conrad Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Northwestern University conrada-b@nwu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 16:14:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24138; Fri, 2 Jun 95 16:14:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21808; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:04:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:04:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21797; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:04:44 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10830 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:03:44 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07408 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:04:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:04:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199506022004.NAA07408@shell1.best.com> Subject: * FOR SALE * 8Mb Memory Card for ThinkPad 755 series To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) ** FOR SALE ** 8Mb IC DRAM Memory Card for ThinkPad 755 series. - Brand-new in original box - includes Full Warranty and manual - Tested, but not used - Perfect condition - Made in USA by Simple Technology - Part# STM-TP755/8 It's too long a story to go into much detail, but I bought this 8Mb IC DRAM card several weeks ago for my new 755CX and decided to add a 16MB card instead (same manufacturer). So, I have an extra 8Mb memory card available, new in the box, in perfect working condition. It's worth more, but I'll take ** $299 ** for it. I'm located in Cupertino, CA, but will ship it anywhere in the U.S. via UPS COD. Send email or call me at the number below. Thank you. _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet: sandy@sandy.com | | Telephone: 408-257-5383 | | 9am-9pm daily | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 2 17:39:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00431; Fri, 2 Jun 95 17:39:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28818; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:26:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:26:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nbslib.isc-br.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28802; Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:26:53 -0400 Received: from cbinfradn by nbslib.isc-br.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0sHe3f-0001KyC; Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:15 PDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 95 14:15 PDT X-Sender: doylen@nbslib X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: doylen@nbslib.isc-br.com (Doyle Nickless) Subject: Subscribe-Request I'd like to subscribe to your mailing list but am unsure of the format required. Thanks, Doyle Nickless doylen@nbslib.isc-br.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 3 01:11:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28058; Sat, 3 Jun 95 01:11:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26644; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:59:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:59:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26633; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 00:59:40 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01500; Sat, 3 Jun 95 01:00:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 01:00:28 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506030500.AA01500@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, sandy@sandy.com Subject: Re: * FOR SALE * 8Mb Memory Card for ThinkPad 755 series For reference, here are the prices I see for memory at the moment: 4MB $199 8MB $379 16MB $669 32MB $1399 (these are from FSI, but are similar to prices advertised elsewhere) I am *still* looking for 32 meg DIMS, I begin to believe these are science fiction :-( From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 3 12:59:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01504; Sat, 3 Jun 95 12:59:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12670; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:50:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:50:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12660; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 12:50:09 -0400 Received: from conrad.res-hall.nwu.edu by merle.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA137368207; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 11:50:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199506031650.AA137368207@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: sting@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 11:47:35 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: conrada-b@nwu.edu (Conrad H Albrecht-Buehler) Subject: Thinkpad Dual-Scan C'mon! Please! Could some one send me the bandwidth, Horiz-sync, and Vert-sync frequencies for the 10" Dual-scans? I'm beggin' here! I need X running in the next week, and I can't if I can't run the screen. see ya. --Conrad -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- conrada-b@nwu.edu "You know, my father only gave me one piece of advice. He said, 'Son, don't ever get married; go to sea.'" --Sting From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 3 17:53:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12851; Sat, 3 Jun 95 17:53:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27386; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:32:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:32:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27369; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:32:11 -0400 Received: from conrad.res-hall.nwu.edu by merle.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA086965128; Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:32:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199506032132.AA086965128@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: sting@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Jun 1995 16:29:35 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: conrada-b@nwu.edu (Conrad H Albrecht-Buehler) Subject: tpdualscan.c(was: Dual-Scan) Well, I've gotten the stupid settigns down, and have run Mr. Steiner's tpdualscan, and LO and BEHOLD, the stupid thing still comes out doubled. Can anyone help me, here? see ya. --Conrad -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- conrada-b@nwu.edu "You know, my father only gave me one piece of advice. He said, 'Son, don't ever get married; go to sea.'" --Sting From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jun 4 13:45:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00375; Sun, 4 Jun 95 13:45:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08771; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:33:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:33:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hillfoot.cent.gla.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08761; Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:33:47 -0400 Received: from hillhead.cent.gla.ac.uk by hillfoot.cent.gla.ac.uk with SMTP-GLA (PP); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:33:43 +0100 Received: from music.gla.ac.uk (actually host flute.music.gla.ac.uk) by hillhead.cent.gla.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 4 Jun 1995 18:33:35 +0100 Received: from clave by music.gla.ac.uk (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA07349; Sun, 4 Jun 95 18:33:34 +0100 From: Jonathan Marshall - EMU91 Message-Id: <9506041733.AA07349@music.gla.ac.uk> Received: by clave.music.gla.ac.uk (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA00914; Sun, 4 Jun 95 18:33:33 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 95 18:33:33 +0100 Original-Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line Original-Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) Pp-Warning: Illegal Received field on preceding line To: ThinkPad 750 mailing list Subject: PCMCIA Modems Does anyone know where I can purchase just the PCMCIA card for the IBM High Speed Data/Fax Modem as my one has been stolen. I have all the cables, manuals and software I just need the actual card. Also if anyone wants to sell me any brand of PCMCIA modem please email me. Thankx in advance Jon - jmarshal@music.gla.ac.uk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 01:17:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24370; Mon, 5 Jun 95 01:17:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02871; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 01:08:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 01:08:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02861; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 01:08:28 -0400 Received: from conrad.res-hall.nwu.edu by merle.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA122048905; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 00:08:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199506050508.AA122048905@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: sting@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 00:05:47 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: conrada-b@nwu.edu (Conrad H Albrecht-Buehler) Subject: Thanks (was: tpdualscan.c) Well, FINALLY I got the dual scan to work with X. a little hacking did the trick. Thanks to Kevin Cheong, Sean Chou, and allt he others who gave me a hand this weekend. Aand a BIG thank you to Michael Steiner for great fix. I'm sorry to have taken up a couple slots in people's mailboxes. Thanks again all. see ya. --Conrad -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- conrada-b@nwu.edu "You know, my father only gave me one piece of advice. He said, 'Son, don't ever get married; go to sea.'" --Sting From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 03:53:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16154; Mon, 5 Jun 95 03:53:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09344; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:45:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:45:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09318; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 03:45:34 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA27235 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 02:45:30 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Mon, 5 Jun 95 02:17 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sun, 04 Jun 95 22:24:09 CDT for kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 95 22:21:31 CDT In-Reply-To: <9505302055.AA00773@amazon.den.mmc.com> Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL I can verify that Suspend on a TP755CE must not be done on AC power, if you want it to work at all. I can also verify that once you have gone into Suspend mode and come out and are back on AC power, that the TP755CE still feels that it is appropriate to blank the screen after a few minutes of inactivity. At least, this isn't as bad as the 750C, which spun down the HD under the same circumstances. I haven't tried Hibernation with the 755CE, having given up on it after buying the PCMCIA modem for my 750C over a year ago. Now, I don't feel that it's worth the 25Meg of disk space that it would need for my system. Ron. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 06:35:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25438; Mon, 5 Jun 95 06:35:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20249; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:25:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:25:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cssu46.cs.ust.hk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20154; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 06:25:06 -0400 Received: from cssg13.cs.ust.hk (ejd@cssg13.cs.ust.hk [143.89.40.183]) by cssu46.cs.ust.hk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA18506 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:23:34 +0800 Received: (from ejd@localhost) by cssg13.cs.ust.hk (8.6.10/8.6.9) id SAA25176 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:23:25 +0800 From: "Dr. E. Joseph Derrick" Message-Id: <199506051023.SAA25176@cssg13.cs.ust.hk> Subject: battery managment under 755Cs--problems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:23:24 +0800 (HDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Just a quick question to see if any of you have experienced this. While running under Windows/DOS and on two occasions now while doing a refresh discharge and subsequent charge, I have had my power managment software obtrusively disabled, and not by me. The battery icon becomes a dotted-line figure with no indication of current charge or capacity status. Attempts to call the fuel feature from Thinkpad features group gets the error message that the fuel program is disabled. To enable it, you are told to run the setup from DOS in the Windows directory and select DOS system with APM... this does work, but doesn't require any real change, DOS with APM is already selected. Can anyone explain what is happening here? It is quite disconcerting when trying to keep the battery life, and fuel readouts consistent with battery capacity and status and warning alarms... that is, to keep the fuel gauge system and warning beeps working and giving believable reports. I know that I can't be the only one that has trouble with these features. It's only a little thing, but can be a source of frustration. ------------------ By the way, I might mention a "tip" that the IBM help center gave me last year. My battery "time remaining" will often get out of sync with capacity and readout of the fuel gauge and the warning beeps. For example, system will start beeping that the battery is on it's last legs when in fact, the readout says there is 50% left. I realize that part of the problem is that my battery is degrading over time. But anyway, the tip is essentially to remove the battery, turn off the switch momentarily and then back on. When putting back in, immediately do discharge followed by charge. Parameters on the fuel gage and the warning beeps are then back in "sync" for a time. The warning beeps don't come on until battery capacity is down near the low end as would be expected. If you just do a discharge and charge, that seems to help a little but not quite as well as first cycling the battery switch. The switch "cycling" seems to straighten things out, but I wonder if I it wise to follow this procedure. Perhaps someone can comment. Regards and thanks, Joe ejd@cs.ust.hk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 07:46:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29366; Mon, 5 Jun 95 07:46:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23737; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:40:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:40:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23716; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 07:40:32 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01210; Mon, 5 Jun 95 07:41:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 07:41:22 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506051141.AA01210@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) I have noticed these same suspend problems (must not be done on AC power and when it comes back up, still thinks it is battery mode from point of view of powering down disk and screen, even though AC is plugged in) on both my 755CD and 755CX. Have not even tried hibernation (not worth 41 meg of disk space!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 09:44:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11621; Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:44:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00156; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:36:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:36:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00145; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:36:46 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.43] (mac43.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA20350; Mon, 5 Jun 95 09:36:41 EDT Message-Id: <9506051336.AA20350@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 09:46:31 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) >I have noticed these same suspend problems (must not be done on AC power >and when it comes back up, still thinks it is battery mode from point >of view of powering down disk and screen, even though AC is plugged in) >on both my 755CD and 755CX. Have not even tried hibernation (not worth >41 meg of disk space!) Either I have a blessed installation (by either accident or devine will, not by design), or the TP750 mono is not as sensitive to these things as the other tp's. I have none of the mentioned problems. The only thing I havn't tried is powering up with the battery, hibernating, pulling the battery, plugging in, and waking. All other combinations either work or aren't allowed (i.e. I can't hibernate if I boot without the battery in place). ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 12:12:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00309; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:12:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10095; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:01:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:01:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10077; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:01:21 -0400 From: Received: from sol.lssec.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:45:39 +0100 Received: from lssec.bt.co.uk by sol.lssec.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP) id <02269-0@sol.lssec.bt.co.uk>; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:46:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 16:46:09 +0100 Message-Id: <6125.9506051546@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Newbie alert - price/upgrade advice Cc: rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, > how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), > and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST > address -- don't just reply to this message!) Um, I haven't got one. Basically I've been looking for a notepad to run Linux on to use as a mobile WWW server / browser for demos, and the odd think pad has cropped up for sale. Currently I'm toying with buying a s/h 750Cs 20MB RAM 200MB (170MB surely) HD for 1000 pounds sterling. Anyone want to comment if that's a good price or not? I really want the RAM but I'd probably get a bigger HD. Originally I was offered a 50Mhz machine (I forget which one) and an MCA one (no good to me) and I'm a bit concerned about the speed of the 750. I had a wade through the archives but couldn't see a definitive answer to "Can I upgrade the CPU or make it go faster some other way?" If anyone could help I'd appreciate it. As for me, I'm a System and S/W Engineer for BT, in London, UK. I'm not that knowledgeable on PCs esp. portables as a) that's hardware b) that's not primarily Unix hardware. Cheers, Robb ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters | Systems & Software Engineer BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC | CEC home page (BT only) - http://www.lssec.bt.co.uk:8080/ ____________________|___________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 12:28:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01495; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:28:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14359; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:19:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:19:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14337; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 12:19:47 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02780; Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:19:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 12:19:20 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506051619.AA02780@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Newbie alert - price/upgrade advice the 750CPU is not upgradable From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 14:12:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09773; Mon, 5 Jun 95 14:12:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15336; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:57:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:57:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15308; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 13:57:36 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA14178; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:55:37 +0200 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31570; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:56:56 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sIgMi-000DNPC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:55 MET DST Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:55:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Newbie alert - New Thinkpad... In-Reply-To: <6125.9506051546@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, On Mon, 5 Jun 1995 rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk wrote: > Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, > how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), > and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST > address -- don't just reply to this message!) at the moment, I don't even have a thinkpad. My new laptop is ordered, it will be one of the new ThinkPad 370 with a i486 DX4 / 75 , 12 MB RAM and 540 MB Hard Disk Space. I want to install three operating systems: First OS/2 as a 'normal' operating system; second LinuX for my Internet stuff and the hunts for it, and third DOS and Windows 3.11. I think I will have difficults with linux, but I think I will manage it. read you later, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK email: wagner@www.bid.fh-hannover.de URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:8080/~wagner/ IRC: Rince (usually on #germany or #muenster or #braunschweig) "This is also a story about sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In. Well... ...one out of three ain't bad." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 15:48:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14071; Mon, 5 Jun 95 15:48:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14911; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:35:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:35:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14889; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 15:35:53 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0399; Mon, 05 Jun 95 15:30:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9506051930.AA0399@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id FE91979F277AE8EF852561D2006B0850; Mon, 5 Jun 95 15:30:07 To: rmasters , tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 5 Jun 95 15:30:53 Subject: 750Cs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain The only 50MHz Thinkpads (I believe) are the 500 (subnotebook & not very upgradable) and the 755C, which is a fantastic laptop, but $7000+. The 750Cs is a steal at 1000 pounds IF it's fast enough to suit your needs for a while. It's a $4000 laptop with only 4MB RAM (add $1100 if it's an IBM IC DRAM card, $700-$800 if it's OEM) . The display is dual scan color, which is limited to 256 color support: not the greatest, but it is color & it's a 9.5" display. I don't know about the 200MB HDD. I believe they only come in 170 & 340, and to go beyond that you would need to send it to IBM for a BIOS upgrade (or go with a PCMCIA drive). The processor is not upgradable. ___ @( oo )@ ( .. ) Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com "Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn't already have." To: tp750 @ CS.UTK.EDU @ INET cc: rmasters @ lssec.bt.co.uk @ INET (bcc: Michael Verne/VENTANA) From: rmasters @ lssec.bt.co.uk @ INET Date: 06/05/95 04:46:09 PM Subject: Newbie alert - price/upgrade advice Currently I'm toying with buying a s/h 750Cs 20MB RAM 200MB (170MB surely) HD for 1000 pounds sterling. Anyone want to comment if that's a good price or not? I really want the RAM but I'd probably get a bigger HD. Originally I was offered a 50Mhz machine (I forget which one) and an MCA one (no good to me) and I'm a bit concerned about the speed of the 750. I had a wade through the archives but couldn't see a definitive answer to "Can I upgrade the CPU or make it go faster some other way?" If anyone could help I'd appreciate it. As for me, I'm a System and S/W Engineer for BT, in London, UK. I'm not that knowledgeable on PCs esp. portables as a) that's hardware b) that's not primarily Unix hardware. Cheers, Robb ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters | Systems & Software Engineer BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC | CEC home page (BT only) - http://www.lssec.bt.co.uk:8080/ ____________________|___________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 17:38:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20083; Mon, 5 Jun 95 17:38:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10994; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:29:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:29:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10981; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:29:37 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA07861; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:29:34 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA02232; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:29:34 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506052129.OAA02232@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 14:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506051336.AA20350@gl.ciw.edu> from "Victor Kress" at Jun 5, 95 09:46:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I have noticed these same suspend problems (must not be done on AC power > >and when it comes back up, still thinks it is battery mode from point > >of view of powering down disk and screen, even though AC is plugged in) > >on both my 755CD and 755CX. Have not even tried hibernation (not worth > >41 meg of disk space!) > > Either I have a blessed installation (by either accident or devine will, > not by design), or the TP750 mono is not as sensitive to these things as > the other tp's. I have none of the mentioned problems. The only thing I > havn't tried is powering up with the battery, hibernating, pulling the > battery, plugging in, and waking. All other combinations either work or > aren't allowed (i.e. I can't hibernate if I boot without the battery in > place). Victor--I'm with you. I don't know what these people are talking about, but my 750C doesn't exhibit any of the above-mentioned problems. ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 17:46:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21053; Mon, 5 Jun 95 17:46:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11620; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:40:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:40:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11590; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:39:58 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA07885; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199506052139.RAA07885@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 17:39:50 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Seeing the interest on this list in using various flavors of UNIX-like systems (especially *BSD, Linux) I'm wondering if there's enough interest in UNIX-on-a-thinkpad for a separate list. Relevant topics might include XFree86 setup, pcmcia setup, power management, etc., all under UNIX. I would expect the list to be heavily biased toward "free" UNIXen, but those who use commercial UNIX ports would probably be tolerated as well. Please send mail to moore@cs.utk.edu if you're interested in such a list, and/or have comments on what the list should cover. (e.g. should it be thinkpad-specific or should it apply to all x86 laptops running unix?) (I won't create such a list until I have a better idea of what might fly...) Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 18:39:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24263; Mon, 5 Jun 95 18:39:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15062; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:31:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:31:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15052; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:31:35 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sIkgS-0004tnC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 17:31 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sIkgS-0002nbC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 17:31 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sIkgP-0002wvC; Mon, 5 Jun 95 17:31 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:31:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199506052129.OAA02232@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jun 5, 95 02:29:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Victor--I'm with you. I don't know what these people are talking > about, but my 750C doesn't exhibit any of the above-mentioned problems. > > ----- ___________________________ > Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | > Randy, I didn't think that you were using OS/2.... I agree that under windows / DOS these problems have been resolved. You can thank Ron Heiby and others for their persistence in bugging IBM. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 19:23:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25841; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:23:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17104; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:13:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:13:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17092; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:13:39 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04363; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:14:29 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:14:29 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506052314.AA04363@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? i prefer it be kept all one list From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 19:23:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25846; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:23:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17272; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:15:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:15:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17253; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:15:11 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04402; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:15:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:15:58 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506052315.AA04402@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: strat@dsd.northrop.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU oh yes, of course we are talking only about Warp, note that this was always clear from the title. Those messing with Windows will not be affected. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 19:23:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26051; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:23:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17085; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:13:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:13:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17073; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:13:25 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04355; Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:14:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:14:10 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506052314.AA04355@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU note that of course to see these problems at all (the suspend problems) you have to have different settings in the battery and AC profiles. zdp From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 20:37:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00261; Mon, 5 Jun 95 20:37:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22821; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:32:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:32:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22811; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:32:14 -0400 Received: from usr2.primenet.com (usr2.primenet.com [198.68.32.12]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with ESMTP id RAA15701 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:32:04 -0700 Received: (bogrow@localhost) by usr2.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-c2.0) id RAA06115; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:32:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 17:32:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bogrow To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Is there a TP701 list? In-Reply-To: <9506052314.AA04363@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Is there a mailing list for the Model 701 Thinkpad? Paul Bogrow bogrow@primenet.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 20:45:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00373; Mon, 5 Jun 95 20:45:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23489; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:41:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:41:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23479; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:41:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:40:38 -29900 From: retsla Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506052314.AA04363@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > i prefer it be kept all one list > me too ...even when discussion gets heavy ...traffic is pretty light http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 20:46:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00383; Mon, 5 Jun 95 20:46:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23623; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:43:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:43:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23585; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:43:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:41:53 -29900 From: retsla Subject: Re: Is there a TP701 list? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Paul Bogrow wrote: > Is there a mailing list for the Model 701 Thinkpad? Hrmm....let's rename the list to tp7xx ? http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 21:19:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03177; Mon, 5 Jun 95 21:19:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25374; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:11:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:11:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25364; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:11:55 -0400 Received: from p25.slip.net (sfsp95.slip.net [204.160.88.159]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04098 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:11:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199506060111.SAA04098@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 18:11:37 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: ADMIN: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? At 08:40 PM 6/5/95 -29900, retsla wrote: >On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: >> i prefer it be kept all one list >me too ...even when discussion gets heavy ...traffic is pretty light I agree too, with the addition that subject keywords can make it more reasonable.. OS2: LINUX: ADMIN: etc.. ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 21:54:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07318; Mon, 5 Jun 95 21:54:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27486; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:47:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:47:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27475; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:47:05 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id JAA23953; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:44:44 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506060144.JAA23953@baijuyi> Subject: ADMIN: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:44:44 +0800 (WAUST) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..jesse montrose writes, ` Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 18:11:37 -0700 ` ` At 08:40 PM 6/5/95 -29900, retsla wrote: ` >On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: ` >> i prefer it be kept all one list ` >me too ...even when discussion gets heavy ...traffic is pretty light ` ` I agree too, with the addition that subject keywords can make it more ` reasonable.. ` OS2: ` LINUX: ` ADMIN: I had earlier supported the creation of the new list. If it was only pertaining to Unix on a Thinkpad then the above "keyword" addition to the current TP750 list would be great! Traffic is indeed light.. However if it catered to other x86 laptops (as was mentioned in the original post) then cluttering up this list wth non-TP stuff is not a good idea. Traffic in the new list could be more. If the intention is also to include other x86 laptops then maybe the suggetstion of the new list should also be posted in the appropriate newsgroups and not only in this list. Cheers (: ____________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 22:17:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08436; Mon, 5 Jun 95 22:17:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28785; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:10:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:10:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28774; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:10:43 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA01582 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:09:55 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA14188 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:10:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:10:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199506060210.TAA14188@shell1.best.com> Subject: ThinkPad "Next Generation" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Hello all, I couldn't help noticing the first line of Rich Malloy's editorial comments (page 6) in the new issue of Mobile Office magazine (July'95) which I received in the mail today: "As I write this, I am heading for a two-day meeting with IBM to learn about the next generation of ThinkPads." "Next Generation"?? Has anyone heard ANYTHING about what IBM is working on for these next generation ThinkPads? Are they about to release a complete new line of ThinkPads or is this some long term plan for release in the years to come? Sure made me curious that IBM is apparently meeting with computer magazine editors to discuss future products. Companies don't do this unless something big is in the works and getting ready for some massive marketing campaign in the very near future. I just want to know if I should return my "old" 755CX before the 30-day refund period is up and wait for the "next generation"? ;-) _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 5 23:19:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10441; Mon, 5 Jun 95 23:19:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02470; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:11:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:11:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02459; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:11:09 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA03172 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:10:22 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA25690 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:10:41 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 20:10:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199506060310.UAA25690@shell1.best.com> Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) >any thinkpad you buy is always old quickly, I am sure by the end of the >year there will be 120MHz Pentium thinkpads. I have read recently that Intel is producing the 90Mhz Pentium in the new TCP package (being used in Toshiba's new Protege), but plans to skip a 100Mhz version and go directly to a 120Mhz version. So, it's possible we will see a 120Mhz Pentium ThinkPad before the end of the year. I only wish I had enough money to keep up with the new technology. What happen to the "good old days" when it took 18-months to develop and market new computer products? :-) _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 00:49:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14166; Tue, 6 Jun 95 00:49:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08371; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 00:40:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 00:40:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08326; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 00:40:13 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12445; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:40:05 -0500 Message-Id: <9506060440.AA12445@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 00:41:34 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: Is there a TP701 list? >> Is there a mailing list for the Model 701 Thinkpad? > >Hrmm....let's rename the list to tp7xx ? It might be time for a comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad group. I just went through the new newsgroup creation process for a couple fishing groups and except for the time to write a proposal and monitor news.groups, it isn't all that difficult. I have all the FAQs and guides for creating a newsgroup if anyone is willing to take it up. I'd do it except I have plenty of other things to occupy my time. How many members does this mailing list have anyway? _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 01:41:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16042; Tue, 6 Jun 95 01:41:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10293; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:32:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:32:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10283; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:32:41 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA24887; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:32:39 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA29157; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:32:39 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506060532.WAA29157@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Jun 5, 95 05:31:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Victor--I'm with you. I don't know what these people are talking > > about, but my 750C doesn't exhibit any of the above-mentioned problems. > > > > ----- ___________________________ > > Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | > > > > Randy, I didn't think that you were using OS/2.... I agree that under > windows / DOS these problems have been resolved. You can thank Ron Heiby > and others for their persistence in bugging IBM. Duh...oh man, I feel pretty stupid right now. The fact that this was an OS/2 issue escaped me! ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 01:45:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16262; Tue, 6 Jun 95 01:45:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10522; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:38:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:38:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10510; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:38:10 -0400 Received: from p27.slip.net (sfsp93.slip.net [204.160.88.161]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA28453; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:38:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199506060538.WAA28453@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 22:38:04 -0700 To: , TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" At 07:10 PM 6/5/95 -0700, sandy@sandy.com wrote: >I just want to know if I should return my "old" 755CX before the >30-day refund period is up and wait for the "next generation"? ;-) I think you should skip "the next generation" thinkpad as well, wait for the "Voyager". Oh come on.. if I hadn't, someone else would've... ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 01:56:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16654; Tue, 6 Jun 95 01:56:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10998; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:47:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:47:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10988; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:47:46 -0400 Received: from p27.slip.net (sfsp93.slip.net [204.160.88.161]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA29533 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 1995 22:47:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199506060547.WAA29533@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 22:47:42 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: ADMIN: move to usenet (was Re: Is there a TP701 list?) At 12:41 AM 6/6/95 EDT, John H. Kim wrote: >It might be time for a comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad group. I just went >through the new newsgroup creation process for a couple fishing groups >and except for the time to write a proposal and monitor news.groups, >it isn't all that difficult. I have all the FAQs and guides for >creating a newsgroup if anyone is willing to take it up. I'd do it >except I have plenty of other things to occupy my time. I am against moving to usenet, personally. This list has one of the highest signal to noise ratios of any list/newsgroup I've seen, and I'd hate to see that change. ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 02:57:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19721; Tue, 6 Jun 95 02:57:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13055; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 02:48:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 02:48:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13040; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 02:47:59 -0400 Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:47:47 +0200 Received: from localhost.chorus.fr by octave.chorus.fr; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:47:46 +0200 Message-Id: <9506060647.AA03493@octave.chorus.fr> To: Keith Moore Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 05 Jun 95 17:39:50 -0400. <199506052139.RAA07885@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 08:47:46 +0200 From: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Keith, It's now been a few months since I subscribed to this list. I am quite happy with it. My primary interest is LinuX on Thinkpad. I would greatly appreciate a separate list. I think I am not alone in this situation, lots of other people are interested and don't read any mail related with DOS, OS/2 or Windows. But why shouldn't we vote on your proposal ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 06:01:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29403; Tue, 6 Jun 95 06:01:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25695; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:55:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:55:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25683; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:55:50 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07927; Tue, 6 Jun 95 05:56:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 05:56:31 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506060956.AA07927@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: eranian@chorus.fr, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU the trouble with separate lists is that threads wander, and easily cross list boundaries, so you miss useful stuff. This is a very low volume list in any case, so I really don't see any point in splitting it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 06:01:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29402; Tue, 6 Jun 95 06:01:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25722; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:56:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:56:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25712; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 05:56:41 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08461; Tue, 6 Jun 95 05:57:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 05:57:28 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506060957.AA08461@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: eranian@chorus.fr, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU the other problem with splitting it is that there are many posts that are independent of OS, e.g. mechanical problems part numbers of upgrades bios problems etc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 07:50:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06794; Tue, 6 Jun 95 07:50:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29494; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:33:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:33:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29484; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:33:33 -0400 Received: from seminole.gate.net (jbush@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA52426; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:33:28 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA24196; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:30:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:30:31 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Cc: Keith Moore , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? In-Reply-To: <9506060647.AA03493@octave.chorus.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII and how do you know what all people read? ***************************************** On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, -------------------------------------------------------------------- wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > It's now been a few months since I subscribed to this list. I am quite happy > with it. My primary interest is LinuX on Thinkpad. I would greatly appreciate > a separate list. I think I am not alone in this situation, lots of other > people are interested and don't read any mail related with DOS, OS/2 or > Windows. > But why shouldn't we vote on your proposal ? > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr > Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr > LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | > Th'eorique et Programmation | > 2 place Jussieu | > 75251 Paris cedex 05 | > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:02:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07820; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:02:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00270; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:49:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:49:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00258; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:49:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Is there a TP701 list? In-Reply-To: <9506060440.AA12445@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, John H. Kim wrote: > >> Is there a mailing list for the Model 701 Thinkpad? > > > >Hrmm....let's rename the list to tp7xx ? > > It might be time for a comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad group. I just went > through the new newsgroup creation process for a couple fishing groups > and except for the time to write a proposal and monitor news.groups, > it isn't all that difficult. I have all the FAQs and guides for > creating a newsgroup if anyone is willing to take it up. I'd do it > except I have plenty of other things to occupy my time. NO! This group seems pretty small ....the traffic is really light... even when discussion is heavy (...as I've said before)...this is really a niche group and really does not call for a newsgroup. In addition, there's also the fact that news just isn't all that reliable and not everyone will get every message. Mail is much more reliable. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:16:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08341; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:16:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01016; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:04:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:04:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01006; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:04:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? In-Reply-To: <9506060647.AA03493@octave.chorus.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, -------------------------------------------------------------------- wrote: > It's now been a few months since I subscribed to this list. I am quite happy > with it. My primary interest is LinuX on Thinkpad. I would greatly appreciate > a separate list. I think I am not alone in this situation, lots of other > people are interested and don't read any mail related with DOS, OS/2 or > Windows. Well, ....actually, I feel that there have been very few Windows questions and a lot more questions regarding Linux and OS/2. And even more about the Thinkpad hardware themselves, ...which is what the list is about, afterall!! It's definitely more helpful for everyone to be part of this already small group rather than to break it down further. For example, discussion about an OS often drifts into a discussion about the hardware...etc... This list is definitely more useful now than if it was split up into: comp.sys.thinkpad.hardware --- comp.sys.thinkpad.windows | comp.sys.thinkpad.dos --- This would be _ridiculous_ !! comp.sys.thinkpad.os2 | comp.sys.thinkpad.linux --- http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:16:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08349; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:16:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01147; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:07:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:07:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01137; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:06:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:06:02 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, -------------------------------------------------------------------- wrote: > It's now been a few months since I subscribed to this list. I am quite happy > with it. My primary interest is LinuX on Thinkpad. I would greatly appreciate > a separate list. I think I am not alone in this situation, lots of other > people are interested and don't read any mail related with DOS, OS/2 or > Windows. Oh yea...one more thing ....have you ever been on a mailing list where you read each and every message and/or every message related to you? I think not....there has to be some overlap. It's normal. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:36:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09188; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:36:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02056; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:26:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:26:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02046; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:26:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:25:39 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: NT on Thinkpad Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm thinking about installing NT temporarily on my 755ce to use some NT stuff....someone mentioned that NT only supports 16 colors on a Thinkpad? How about NT 3.51? What else should I also be aware of? I realize the MWave stuff is really unlikely to be supported. And...is NT going to be easy to remove? and how? Thanks http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:38:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09196; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:38:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02224; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:30:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:30:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02209; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:30:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:29:24 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? In-Reply-To: <9506060956.AA07927@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > the trouble with separate lists is that threads wander, and easily cross > list boundaries, so you miss useful stuff. This is a very low volume > list in any case, so I really don't see any point in splitting it. exactly!! http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:55:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09826; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:55:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02991; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:46:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:46:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mtvernon1.basenet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02976; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:46:10 -0400 Received: from ppp31.basenet.net (ppp31.basenet.net [204.248.92.31]) by mtvernon1.basenet.net (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id GAA04638; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:45:12 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:45:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199506061145.GAA04638@mtvernon1.basenet.net> X-Sender: krisdw@basenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: krisdw@basenet.net (Kris D. Williams) Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" <> >"Next Generation"?? Has anyone heard ANYTHING about what IBM is >working on for these next generation ThinkPads? Are they about to >release a complete new line of ThinkPads or is this some long term >plan for release in the years to come? Sure made me curious that >IBM is apparently meeting with computer magazine editors to discuss >future products. Companies don't do this unless something big is >in the works and getting ready for some massive marketing campaign >in the very near future. > >I just want to know if I should return my "old" 755CX before the >30-day refund period is up and wait for the "next generation"? ;-) Sandy, IMHO if you were able to justify the purchase of your 755CX and need it, the issue of a 'next generation' computer shouldn't concern you. There will always be a 'next generation' computer coming. If you always tried to wait for the latest technology, you end up never buying anything because something better always comes out. If I had to guess why IBM is going to magazine editors, I'd say it's because IBM is still trying to shed the skin of the corporate DP shop mentality where everything is hush-hush until it is ready to roll out, only to find that what was made didn't even come close to what was needed. They have used this technique very successfully in the past when dealing with LAN and OS software. They would invite people such as Rich in and discuss with them their strategy as well as future products. This gives the person a better feel for why IBM does something short term and how it affects the long term. I seem to remember that one time some very popular writer for a major computer magazine was writing articles about how mis-directed IBM was with OS/2. After he returned from his little 'excursion', he actually admitted, in subsequent articles' that he was wrong and that IBM really did have their s*** together. I wish I knew what the next generation was. Hey - maybe they finally figured out how to stabilize Lithiom Polymer so it doesn't blow up and our next mobile computer's casing will be our battery. |===============================================================| |Kris D. Williams | |Instructor/Developer:Mobile Education-IBM Education & Training | |Co-Owner:InComm - Sensible Solutions for the Road Warrior | |My opinions are my own (really!) | |===============================================================| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 08:55:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09831; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:55:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02813; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:44:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:44:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02802; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:44:18 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA03719; Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:45:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 08:45:07 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506061245.AA03719@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: alster@interport.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? actually (and of course this is itself an example), the only time we see a real burst of activity on this list is when we discuss changing it in some way, then we decide not to, and everything calms down again. incidentally, I very much agree that this mailing list is better than a newsgroup, the usenet news grsoups are deteriorating these days ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 09:18:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10916; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:18:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04043; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:06:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:05:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04033; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:05:57 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA03769; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:06:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:06:44 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506061306.AA03769@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: krisdw@basenet.net, sandy@sandy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" I would guess that it is unrealistic to expect any major technology in thinkpads this year. Instead I would expect the following: 120MHz Pentium models better video performance larger disks and maybe memory CDROM version of the CX Pentium version of the 701 any other suggestions ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 09:31:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11141; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:31:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04805; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:21:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:21:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04795; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:21:51 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0562; Tue, 06 Jun 95 09:16:22 -0400 Message-Id: <9506061316.AA0562@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F887E505D1CAE9C9852561D30048A7A9; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:16:21 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 6 Jun 95 9:19:09 Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I'm with Robert. I don't mind the extra Unix traffic, although I have no use for it myself, and I'd hate to miss out on any of the hardware & bios stuff. ___ @( oo )@ ( .. ) Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com "Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn't already have." To: eranian @ chorus.fr @ INET, moore @ CS.UTK.EDU @ INET cc: tp750 @ CS.UTK.EDU @ INET (bcc: Michael Verne/VENTANA) From: dewar @ GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) @ INET Date: 06/06/95 05:57:28 AM Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? the other problem with splitting it is that there are many posts that are independent of OS, e.g. mechanical problems part numbers of upgrades bios problems etc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 10:11:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12977; Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:11:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07128; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:00:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:00:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07109; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:00:43 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id HAA26043; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:00:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199506061400.HAA26043@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 07:02:09 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz Does anyone know what the CPU upgrade options and cost are for my (now prehistoric) 755 Cs with the old 25/50 Mhz CPU? I'm pretty sure I remember that it can at least be upgraded to 75Mhz. Anyone know what kind of dough and availability we're talking about? ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington 1L, USC Law Center AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail ---------------------------------------------------- "You can't teach that horse to sing! No one can!" said the King's courtiers... "He gave me a year, and a lot can happen in a year. The horse might die. The king might die. I might die. And perhaps the horse will learn to sing..." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 10:27:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13736; Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:27:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08045; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:14:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:14:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08022; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:14:48 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04064; Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:15:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:15:37 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506061415.AA04064@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz I know of no upgrade path for the 755C. The new Pentium upgrades apply only to the CE/CD series. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 10:50:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14924; Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:50:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09470; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:38:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:38:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from millenium.texas.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09453; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:38:56 -0400 Received: from dnet043.sat.texas.net (dnet043.sat.texas.net [204.96.23.43]) by millenium.texas.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04742 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:40:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:40:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199506061440.JAA04742@millenium.texas.net> X-Sender: iws08738@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: iws08738@texas.net (Ed Holub) Subject: ThinkPad 370 Series >at the moment, I don't even have a thinkpad. My new laptop is ordered, it >will be one of the new ThinkPad 370 with a i486 DX4 / 75 , 12 MB RAM and >540 MB Hard Disk Space. I want to install three operating systems: First >OS/2 as a 'normal' operating system; second LinuX for my Internet stuff >and the hunts for it, and third DOS and Windows 3.11. I think I will >have difficults with linux, but I think I will manage it. >read you later, >Hanno > Here in the U.S. I was told by our IBM Account Rep that the follow-on to the ThinkPad 360's wouldn't be announced until late-summer or early Fall timeframe. Have you actually ordered a 370? What else is "new" about the 370 except the DX4/75 processor? Thanks for any info, Ed Holub From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 10:50:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14929; Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:50:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09452; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:38:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:38:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from millenium.texas.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09440; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:38:52 -0400 Received: from dnet043.sat.texas.net (dnet043.sat.texas.net [204.96.23.43]) by millenium.texas.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA04745 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:40:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:40:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199506061440.JAA04745@millenium.texas.net> X-Sender: iws08738@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: iws08738@texas.net (Ed Holub) Subject: ThinkPad 370 Series? >at the moment, I don't even have a thinkpad. My new laptop is ordered, it >will be one of the new ThinkPad 370 with a i486 DX4 / 75 , 12 MB RAM and >540 MB Hard Disk Space. I want to install three operating systems: First >OS/2 as a 'normal' operating system; second LinuX for my Internet stuff >and the hunts for it, and third DOS and Windows 3.11. I think I will >have difficults with linux, but I think I will manage it. >read you later, >Hanno > Here in the U.S. our IBM Sales Rep told us that the follow-on product to the 360's would not be announced until late Summer or early Fall. Have you actually ordered a 370? What else is "new" about it besides the DX4/75 processor? Thanks for any info, Ed Holub From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 10:57:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15138; Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:57:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09948; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:46:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:46:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09933; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:46:36 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id HAA29420; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 07:46:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199506061446.HAA29420@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 07:47:58 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz On Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:15:37 -0400 you wrote: >I know of no upgrade path for the 755C. The new Pentium upgrades apply >only to the CE/CD series. Yes, but the DX 25/75 is not a Pentium, it is a clock-tripled 486. I'm pretty sure I remember that when I bought my TP, there was a 75 option to which the 50 could be upgraded. Anyone out there familiar with this? > Roger J. Buffington AB6WR Go Trojans! WARPing with PM-Mail | "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from | | them (Native Americans). There were great numbers of people who | | needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it | | for themsleves." - John Wayne (actor) | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 11:01:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15344; Tue, 6 Jun 95 11:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10341; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:52:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:52:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10330; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 10:52:01 -0400 Received: from lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu by lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu; Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:59 EDT Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Bormel Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) To: Robert Dewar Cc: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506052314.AA04355@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 5 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > note that of course to see these problems at all (the suspend problems) > you have to have different settings in the battery and AC profiles. > zdp Is it possible to completely disable suspend in the battery (&AC) profiles so that Warp is completely usable with hibernation as the ONLY way to effect a suspend/resume capability? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 12:10:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22272; Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:10:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14348; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:55:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:55:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14327; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:55:04 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Tue, 06 Jun 1995 11:53:51 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 11:51:37 -0400 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, sandy@sandy.com Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" -Reply I hope this helps. The following was sent to the LIST 5.30.95 Reported in "INFO World " 5.29.95 Page 1. INTEL ... this week will announce its new 90-MHz Pentium processor for potables. ... Intel will dump plans to introduce a 100 MHz Pentium ... and jump right to 120 MHz mobile Pentium processor late in the third quarter. Intel is working ... to bring out a PCI chip set... Though pricing is not yet available for the 120 MHz chip, it may be priced at a premium over the current desktop version. ... The Triton chip set for potables with PCI support is expected to appear at the same time ... Intel Pentium Processor Advantage ... * Voltage Reduction Technology, [VRT] allows the chip to operate at 2.9 volts while maintaining compatibility with 3.3 volt components. * The special, space saving "tape carrier" chip package, which allows for better heat dispensation than desktop processors; * On-chip power down, which powers the cache and floating-point unit when not in use. ----------------------< End of REPORT >---------------------------------- Functional parity with the desktops!!? I wonder what percentage of laptop & notebook motherboards and chip sets INTEL produces versus the desktops to warrant such needed notoriety? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 12:24:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23011; Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:24:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15311; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:10:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:10:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15292; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:10:27 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA15440 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:10:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:10:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199506061610.LAA15440@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" At 09:06 AM 6/6/95 -0400, you wrote: >I would guess that it is unrealistic to expect any major technology >in thinkpads this year. Instead I would expect the following: > > 120MHz Pentium models > better video performance > larger disks and maybe memory > CDROM version of the CX > Pentium version of the 701 > >any other suggestions ... > YES! 1) I would love to see local bus slots in the docking stations! VESA or PCI, either would do.... currently all docking stations just have 16bit ISA slots, even though the thinkpad itself does have VESA localbus (for internal video and hard disk). 2) I'd like to see some kind of hardware MPEG playback built-in to the internal video chipset. These are getting real cheap. 3) Release of the long-awaited 28.8Kbaud modem program for MWAVE. 4) Oh, and drivers (mwave, etc) for Windows95, Windows NT would be nice. Drivers for Linux would also be nice (although its just a dream). just my $.02, Todd --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 12:57:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24632; Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:57:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17385; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:46:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:46:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17373; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:46:38 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HRDUWMJNEO0024BI@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 12:46:31 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Lithium battery explosion risks? In-Reply-To: <199506061145.GAA04638@mtvernon1.basenet.net> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <802457191.483945.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: Kris D. Williams writes - > Hey - maybe they finally figured > out how to stabilize Lithiom Polymer so it doesn't blow up ... Exactly how big a bang might one expect from one of these thngs? And what are the conditions that can cause this to happen (over- charging or??) in the first place? That is, how might the risk here be minimized? Thanks, Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 14:06:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29138; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:06:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21629; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21619; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:54:09 -0400 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA061571040; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:50:40 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:50:40 -0400 Message-Id: <950606135039_62690244@aol.com> To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz and OTHER ?'s. In a message dated 95-06-06 11:00:02 EDT, buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) writes: >Subj: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz >Date: 95-06-06 11:00:02 EDT >From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) >Reply-to: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) >To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > >On Tue, 6 Jun 95 10:15:37 -0400 you wrote: > >>I know of no upgrade path for the 755C. The new Pentium upgrades apply >>only to the CE/CD series. > >Yes, but the DX 25/75 is not a Pentium, it is a clock-tripled 486. I'm >pretty sure I remember that when I bought my TP, there was a 75 option to >which the 50 could be upgraded. > >Anyone out there familiar with this? >> >Roger J. Buffington >AB6WR Yes, there is a 486DX2/50 to DX4/75 upgrade for the Thinkpad 755 C/Cs if you already don't have the 75Mhz processor installed. The IBM processor upgrade kit (50/25 to 75/25) is part number 84G2154. I'm not sure exactly what the price is of the upgrade, how easy the upgrade is if you can do it by yourself, or if you need to send the machine in. I am however considering this upgrade for the future, so if you upgrade please let me know how it went.. cost, time, etc... Thanks. BTW, has anyone ever tried the ThinkPad TV Tuner option? If so, how is it? Also, do any Thinkpad 755C/Cs owners know of how to set and save settings with the audio control through Windows. More specifically, changing the default and saving settings for the MIDI out, Wave out, Line out, etc. It is annoying for my machine to start out Windows at the highest volume level. Changing the setting helps only for the current session and if I reload Windows, the volume is maxed out again! Is there a latest version out for audio control that can save settings? Or is there any other manual way? --------------------------------------------- Mark3M@aol.com --------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 14:21:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29969; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:21:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22645; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:09:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:09:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22635; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:09:43 -0400 Received: from p27.slip.net (sfsp102.slip.net [204.160.88.152]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA21121 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:09:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199506061809.LAA21121@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 11:09:35 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: Lithium battery explosion risks? At 12:46 PM 6/6/95 -0400, billy@mix.com wrote: >Kris D. Williams writes - >> Hey - maybe they finally figured >> out how to stabilize Lithiom Polymer so it doesn't blow up ... > >Exactly how big a bang might one expect from one of these thngs? >And what are the conditions that can cause this to happen (over- >charging or??) in the first place? That is, how might the risk >here be minimized? they are generally stable under normal conditions, you're only in danger if you: 1. operate your thinkpad within 40 feet of a microwave oven, the microwaves resonate in the lithium and create a sympathetic vibration, particularly while displaying some excel charts. 2. storing the battery in custard. contrary to the advice of a certain popular professional wrestler, lithium batteries should NOT be stored in custard. the custard can excite the lithium to the point of explosion (as it does for most of us). 3. follow explosive prevention and handling instructions from anyone connected with spine.com, known hucksters and fornicators. 4. chewing on the battery casing. this is actually quite safe, apart from the dental issues it conjures. ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 14:21:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29974; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:21:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22658; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:09:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:09:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22646; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:09:46 -0400 Received: from p27.slip.net (sfsp102.slip.net [204.160.88.152]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA21112 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 11:09:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199506061809.LAA21112@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 11:09:32 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz >>I know of no upgrade path for the 755C. The new Pentium upgrades apply >>only to the CE/CD series. > >Yes, but the DX 25/75 is not a Pentium, it is a clock-tripled 486. I'm pretty sure I remember that when I bought my TP, there was a 75 option to which the 50 could be upgraded. > >Anyone out there familiar with this? Only that I when I bought my 755cs/75, IBM said that I could buy a /50 and upgrade later (I don't remember the price difference). ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 14:22:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29979; Tue, 6 Jun 95 14:22:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22731; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:10:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:10:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22714; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:10:27 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA14640; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:10:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199506061810.OAA14640@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Is there a TP701 list? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 06 Jun 1995 00:41:34 EDT." <9506060440.AA12445@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 14:10:20 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > How many members does this mailing list have anyway? 321 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 15:40:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08296; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:40:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27183; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:26:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:26:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27173; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:26:13 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00500 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:22:29 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506061822.NAA00500@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:22:29 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9506060957.AA08461@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 6, 95 05:57:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > the other problem with splitting it is that there are many posts that > are independent of OS, e.g. I think this is an important point. Since non-OS specific talk would probably remain on this list, any UNIX-TP subscribers would probably still subscribe to this list unless someone always posted to both lists (in which case, any person who _is_ subscribed to both would have many duplicate messages). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 15:40:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08401; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:40:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27234; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:27:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:27:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27224; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:27:45 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00507 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:24:02 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506061824.NAA00507@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: NT on Thinkpad To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:24:02 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: from "retsla" at Jun 6, 95 08:25:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > How about NT 3.51? > > What else should I also be aware of? I realize the MWave stuff is really > unlikely to be supported. The list of PCMCIA cards supported by NT 3.51 is very small so be sure to get the list _before_ you make any purchases. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 15:48:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08518; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:48:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27888; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:36:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:36:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27877; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:36:12 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06301; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:36:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:36:58 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506061936.AA06301@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Mark3M@aol.com, buffingt@chaph.usc.edu, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: digital ceullar modem anyone have any experience with this option From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 15:49:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08524; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:49:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28001; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:38:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:38:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27990; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:38:29 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06321; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:39:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:39:17 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506061939.AA06321@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Lithium battery explosion risks? After reading this idiotic post, I take back my statement about how much better a mailing list is than a usenet newsgroup, I guess you can't keep the noise level down anywhere .... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 15:50:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08533; Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:50:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27926; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:36:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:36:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27916; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:36:40 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA00590 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:32:57 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506061832.NAA00590@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:32:57 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9506061306.AA03769@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 6, 95 09:06:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would guess that it is unrealistic to expect any major technology > in thinkpads this year. Instead I would expect the following: > > 120MHz Pentium models > better video performance > larger disks and maybe memory > CDROM version of the CX > Pentium version of the 701 > > any other suggestions ... Bigger screens with higher resolutions, more tricks like that screen/LCD thing, EDO memory, maybe more modules for the floppy space. I'd like to see a thinner and lighter model as well as more attention to ergonomics (ahem, wrist-rest), a handle... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:08:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09841; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:08:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29660; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:00:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:00:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29647; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:00:15 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06399; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:01:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:01:04 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506062001.AA06399@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: schou@uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" speaking of ergonomics, the 755CX runs VERY hot, much hotter than any previous TP I owned, it will damage furniture or come close to burning your lap if you actually use it as lap top! I have found it a good idea to run it with its feet up to give some circulation. Still I must say I am *very* happy with the CX, the performance is a real jump above the 100MHz CD (as much the cache as the Pentium), and the better screen resolution is a real help. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:22:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10339; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:22:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00654; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:09:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:09:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00639; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:09:29 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0686; Tue, 06 Jun 95 16:03:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9506062003.AA0686@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 663C3D5EFAD97927852561D3006E5F63; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:03:57 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 6 Jun 95 16:08:13 Subject: Re: digital ceullar modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Saw a few brands demo'd at Comdex. Ran smoothly. The technology did not increase the price of the modems, either, which was surprising, as cellular phone companies will charge $250 - $500 for modem adapters that only work on a specific phone. I was pretty impressed. ___ @( oo )@ ( .. ) Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com "Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man that he didn't already have." To: Mark3M @ aol.com @ INET, buffingt @ chaph.usc.edu @ INET, dewar @ GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU @ INET, tp750 @ CS.UTK.EDU @ INET cc: (bcc: Michael Verne/VENTANA) From: dewar @ GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) @ INET Date: 06/06/95 03:36:58 PM Subject: digital ceullar modem anyone have any experience with this option From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:22:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10344; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:22:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00737; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:10:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:10:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00718; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:10:12 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09900; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:09:59 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0045; Tue, 06 Jun 95 16:08:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 16:08:13 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506062008.AA0045@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: krisdw@basenet.net, sandy@sandy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:06:44 -0400 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: ThinkPad "Next Generation" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 09:06:44 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) I would guess that it is unrealistic to expect any major technology in thinkpads this year. Instead I would expect the following: 120MHz Pentium models better video performance larger disks and maybe memory CDROM version of the CX Pentium version of the 701 any other suggestions ... What about the PowerPC? IBM claims they will have PowerPC ThinkPads out before the end of the year. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:23:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10400; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:23:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01291; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:14:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:14:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01280; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:14:02 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06430; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:14:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:14:42 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506062014.AA06430@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" Cc: krisdw@basenet.net, sandy@sandy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU "What about the PowerPC? IBM claims they will have PowerPC ThinkPads out before the end of the year." The question is: will they have any interesting software requiring a PowerPC. Also will there be a Linux for PowerPC by then? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:46:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11450; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:46:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04692; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:36:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:36:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04681; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:36:00 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA17717 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:35:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 15:35:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199506062035.PAA17717@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" >"What about the PowerPC? IBM claims they will have PowerPC ThinkPads >out before the end of the year." > you can buy a powerpc notebook from ibm _right now_. they sent me literature on it some time ago; there is a special purchase program going on right now for universities. the case looks like a thinkpad. as i remember, it _only_ runs AIX at this time. seemed kinda expensive as well. please don't ask me for additional details, as I do not know anything more about it (I threw out the flyer). --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:46:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11458; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:46:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05209; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:39:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:39:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05181; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:39:27 -0400 Received: from p27.slip.net (sfsp112.slip.net [204.160.88.142]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07066 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:39:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199506062039.NAA07066@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 13:39:11 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" At 04:01 PM 6/6/95 -0400, Robert Dewar wrote: >speaking of ergonomics, the 755CX runs VERY hot, much hotter than any >previous TP I owned, it will damage furniture or come close to burning >your lap if you actually use it as lap top! I have found it a good idea >to run it with its feet up to give some circulation. I accepted that a long time ago with my 720, I use a hardback "coffee table" book between my 755cs and my lap, always with the feet up. Without the book it gets hot enough to cause pain, is the cx really that much hotter? (We're not going to have another mcdonald's coffee incident, are we? :) >Still I must say I am *very* happy with the CX, the performance is a real >jump above the 100MHz CD (as much the cache as the Pentium), and the >better screen resolution is a real help. Did you ever get it to go into 800x600x16bit mode? ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 16:57:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11730; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:57:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06100; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:45:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:45:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06090; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:45:46 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11337; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:44:29 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0059; Tue, 06 Jun 95 16:42:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 16:42:44 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506062042.AA0059@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: krisdw@basenet.net, sandy@sandy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:14:42 -0400 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: ThinkPad "Next Generation" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:14:42 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) "What about the PowerPC? IBM claims they will have PowerPC ThinkPads out before the end of the year." The question is: will they have any interesting software requiring a PowerPC. Also will there be a Linux for PowerPC by then? I didn't claim that PowerPC ThinkPads were interesting. But the original question was, what could IBM have up their sleeves that was sufficiently new that it might justify that kind of promotion? It seems to me that, from IBM's point of view, this might qualify. Unfortunately, while these computers should be out sometime in late summer, it will probably be next year before they are useful. IBM is likely to shoot itself in the foot again, waiting around for OS/2 and NT to be ported to this architecture, supposedly late this year, with NT released a few months before OS/2. And then another year or so to flush out the bugs in both of them. Meanwhile all they have to offer is AIX, which won't sell many of those machines. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 17:16:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12296; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:16:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09305; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:07:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:07:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09295; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:07:50 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HRE5MD2A0G0027OC@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 16:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" In-Reply-To: <199506061832.NAA00590@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <802472034.674945.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: Sean Chou writes - > I'd like to see a thinner and lighter model as well as more > attention to ergonomics (ahem, wrist-rest), a handle... I'd rather have more keyboard and an external wrist rest. Right now I'm using a Case Logic GL2 - it's filled with a jell that flows pretty slowly - it works quite well, and not being stiff it's easy to pack too. I like mine so much I bought a second one and stashed it, just in case. Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 18:08:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14755; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:08:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16156; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:58:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:58:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16145; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:58:50 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sJ6eq-0004uZC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:59 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sJ6ep-0002nbC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:59 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sJ6eo-0002wvC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 16:59 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: digital ceullar modem To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:59:30 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9506061936.AA06301@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 6, 95 03:36:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > anyone have any experience with this option > I assume you mean the CDPD modem? Or is it the Mobitex Type III PCMCIA card? Wireless packet data technology, yes. I have a Mobitex radio on the desk right now connected to my Thinkpad. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 18:12:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14786; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:12:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16729; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:03:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:03:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16681; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:02:59 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sJ6it-0004tkC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:03 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sJ6ir-0002ncC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:03 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sJ6ir-0002wvC; Tue, 6 Jun 95 17:03 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Lithium battery explosion risks? To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 17:03:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9506061939.AA06321@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 6, 95 03:39:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > After reading this idiotic post, I take back my statement about how much > better a mailing list is than a usenet newsgroup, I guess you can't keep > the noise level down anywhere .... > Does anyone know who are the US developers for this battery technology? I need a battery company on my team and it must be US owned. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 18:20:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15203; Tue, 6 Jun 95 18:20:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17980; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:10:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:10:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17963; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:10:45 -0400 Received: from huxley.anu.edu.au (ask611@huxley.anu.edu.au [150.203.2.12]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA22234; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:04:19 +1000 From: Alden S Klovdahl Received: (ask611@localhost) by huxley.anu.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28182; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:10:38 +1000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:10:38 +1000 Message-Id: <199506062210.IAA28182@huxley.anu.edu.au> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: new generation > I would guess that it is unrealistic to expect any major technology > in thinkpads this year. Instead I would expect the following: > > 120MHz Pentium models > better video performance > larger disks and maybe memory > CDROM version of the CX > Pentium version of the 701 > > any other suggestions ... > >What about the PowerPC? IBM claims they will have PowerPC ThinkPads >out before the end of the year. here in australia i have read june 20 release date. power pc chip, NT 3.51 os. as it is also suggested that they are going after lower end silicon graphics machines, perhaps pci buses also at least in the docking station for now. i'd be surprised if it was not a 11.3" or more tft as well, and of course 1.2 gig hdd. sounds like the N40 and tp people may have gotten together. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 19:57:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19580; Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:57:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24521; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:51:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:51:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24508; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:51:24 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08146; Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:50:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 19:50:56 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506062350.AA08146@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" "Did you ever get it to go into 800x600x16bit mode?" My understanding is that this mode is achievable with current Windows drivers, but not with current Warp drivers. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 21:39:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24667; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:39:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02873; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:32:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:32:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02863; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:32:43 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA16376; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:32:41 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA09763; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:32:41 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506070132.SAA09763@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz and OTHER ?'s. To: Mark3M@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <950606135039_62690244@aol.com> from "Mark3M@aol.com" at Jun 6, 95 01:50:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BTW, has anyone ever tried the ThinkPad TV Tuner option? If so, how is it? I fell for it. I figured, "What the heck" once the price came down to a reasonable (sort of) range. Its quite good actually, but you have to carry around the external antenna to have it work with any degree of success. It ain't a Sony Trinitron, but the picture is acceptable. ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 21:50:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24788; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:50:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04212; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:43:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:43:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04202; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:43:18 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA16933; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:43:15 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA10643; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:43:15 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506070143.SAA10643@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" To: krisdw@basenet.net (Kris D. Williams) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 18:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506061145.GAA04638@mtvernon1.basenet.net> from "Kris D. Williams" at Jun 6, 95 06:45:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I seem to remember that one time some very popular writer for a major comput > magazine was writing articles about how mis-directed IBM was with OS/2. Aft > he returned from his little 'excursion', he actually admitted, in subsequent > articles' that he was wrong and that IBM really did have their s*** together. John Dvorak, right? My brother mentioned (not so humbly, I might add) that his discussions with Dvorak were key in getting him to turn around on the OS/2 issue. They later authored an OS/2 book together (published about 18 mos. ago). ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 21:53:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25107; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:53:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04697; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:46:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:46:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04682; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:46:18 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id JAA18040; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:43:14 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506070143.JAA18040@baijuyi> Subject: Re: digital ceullar modem To: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:43:14 +0800 (WAUST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Jun 6, 95 04:59:30 pm Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Scott Stratmoen writes, ` Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:59:30 -0500 (CDT) ` ` I assume you mean the CDPD modem? Or is it the Mobitex Type III PCMCIA ` card? ` Wireless packet data technology, yes. I have a Mobitex ` radio on the desk right now connected to my Thinkpad. How well does the Mobitex perform? ____________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 21:56:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25170; Tue, 6 Jun 95 21:56:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05311; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:51:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:51:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05236; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:51:23 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id JAA27787; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:48:32 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506070148.JAA27787@baijuyi> Subject: Re: new generation To: Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au (Alden S Klovdahl) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 09:48:31 +0800 (WAUST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506062210.IAA28182@huxley.anu.edu.au> from "Alden S Klovdahl" at Jun 7, 95 08:10:38 am Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Alden S Klovdahl writes, ` Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:10:38 +1000 ` >What about the PowerPC? IBM claims they will have PowerPC ThinkPads ` >out before the end of the year. ` ` here in australia i have read june 20 release date. power pc chip, How much will it be in AUD? ` NT 3.51 os. as it is also suggested that they are going after lower ` end silicon graphics machines, perhaps pci buses also at least in the docking ` station for now. i'd be surprised if it was not a 11.3" or more tft as well, ` and of course 1.2 gig hdd. sounds like the N40 and tp people may have gotten ` together. BTW is the N40 bundled with AIX for the PPC? Or do you have to get it separately? Anyone used/s this beast and willing to share more about it? ____________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 22:06:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25674; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:06:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06771; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:01:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:01:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06761; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:01:08 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA10149; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:01:06 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 6 Jun 95 20:50 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 06 Jun 95 20:31:01 CDT for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: Randal Whittle Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp & APM (was SVGA Win-OS/2 under Warp) From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: <6wXa7c3w165w@falkor.chi.il.us> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 95 20:27:52 CDT In-Reply-To: <199506052129.OAA02232@aludra.usc.edu> Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL Congrats! Do you have a PCMCIA modem? Anyway, I tried my test case, developed on my 750C, on a dealer's 750Cs. The only pieces from my system were the HD, battery, and AC adapter. In my test case, I was booting PC-DOS 6.1 with nothing in CONFIG.SYS except POWER.EXE and nothing in AUTOEXEC.BAT except setting the PATH. IBM Support did not attempt to tell me that any of my three pieces was at fault. (I asked them if they'd like to swap out any/all of them to see if it fixed the problem.) Anyway, IBM finally found the problem, but it's built into the system board, so it's now a "known limitation" of the 750 series. IBM steadfastly maintained that they had received only a handful of complaints similar to mine. Ron. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 22:43:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27430; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:43:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11680; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:36:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:36:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11669; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:36:19 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA19689; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:36:17 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id TAA14482; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:36:16 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506070236.TAA14482@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz and OTHER ?'s. To: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Mehdi Attaran" at Jun 6, 95 07:10:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > BTW, has anyone ever tried the ThinkPad TV Tuner option? If so, how is i > > > > I fell for it. I figured, "What the heck" once the price came > > down to a reasonable (sort of) range. > > May I ask how much it was? What options does it have? (i.e. does it display > the close caption? Can it store close captioned info to a file, etc.) Its just a TV tuner and it has no interaction whatsoever with the computer side of things--no way to close caption (its not in the tuner) or save anything to a file. It operates in a whole separate mode. ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 6 22:43:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27434; Tue, 6 Jun 95 22:43:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11725; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:37:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:37:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11715; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:37:35 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA19791; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:37:34 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id TAA14645; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:37:33 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506070237.TAA14645@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Upgrade 755Cs 50 to 75 Mhz and OTHER ?'s. To: sandy@sandy.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506070226.TAA19628@shell1.best.com> from "sandy@sandy.com" at Jun 6, 95 07:25:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I fell for it. I figured, "What the heck" once the price came > >down to a reasonable (sort of) range. > > > > Its quite good actually, but you have to carry around the external > >antenna to have it work with any degree of success. > > > > It ain't a Sony Trinitron, but the picture is acceptable. > > Hi Randy, > > I'm curious about the TV add-on. Is it a two-component add-on? I assume > it replaces the floppy drive internally and uses the little antenna > externally? What do these things sell for? Thanks for any info. I paid something in the way of $300 or so. Call IBM for current pricing (maybe I paid more--can't remember). You are correct in your assumptions though. The antenna is a whole separate item, and the tuner itself sits in the floppy bay. ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 00:32:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15862; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:32:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25055; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:23:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:23:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25045; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:22:59 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA24737; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:22:57 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA21470; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:22:57 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506070422.VAA21470@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: TV Tuner option To: sandy@sandy.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506070257.TAA26028@shell1.best.com> from "sandy@sandy.com" at Jun 6, 95 07:57:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > You are correct in your assumptions though. The antenna is a whole > >separate item, and the tuner itself sits in the floppy bay. > > Is tuning done via software or through the external "antenna"? Thanks for > the info Randy. I'm not sure my new 755CX supports the TV add-on. Tuning is done by a set of buttons right on the tuning device (front panel--where the diskette entry slot would be if the diskette drive were in there). ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 00:37:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15884; Wed, 7 Jun 95 00:37:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25738; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:25:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:25:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25714; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 00:25:32 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA24860; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:25:29 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA21667; Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:25:29 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506070425.VAA21667@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: TV Tuner To: sandy@sandy.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:25:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506070257.TAA26028@shell1.best.com> from "sandy@sandy.com" at Jun 6, 95 07:57:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > You are correct in your assumptions though. The antenna is a whole > >separate item, and the tuner itself sits in the floppy bay. > > Is tuning done via software or through the external "antenna"? Thanks for > the info Randy. I'm not sure my new 755CX supports the TV add-on. Tuning is done by a set of buttons right on the tuning device (front panel--where the diskette entry slot would be if the diskette drive were in there). ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 08:47:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14780; Wed, 7 Jun 95 08:47:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22414; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:37:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:37:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mtvernon1.basenet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22344; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 08:37:32 -0400 Received: from ppp2.basenet.net (ppp2.basenet.net [204.248.92.2]) by mtvernon1.basenet.net (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id GAA20003 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 06:36:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 06:36:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199506071136.GAA20003@mtvernon1.basenet.net> X-Sender: krisdw@basenet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: krisdw@basenet.net (Kris D. Williams) Subject: My commnet on Lithium Polymer Wow, didn't mean to scare anybody on my recent post. Let me clarify my statement... A couple of years ago I was doing some techincal education on storage technologies for the IBM PC Company. My team was training the Marketing Specialists to get them more techinical on all aspects of PC technology. One of my partners was involved in explaining future technology and was in contact with various PC manufacturers. This was before Lithium Ion batteries. We all new that Lithium would soon be used in batteries at some point but what surprised us was the fact that we were told that Lithium could be mixed with (and I'm using layman terms) other chemicals to form a polymer that was essentially like the plastic casing on our TPads. The implications seemed obvious - - instead of carrying around the extra weight of the battery, your entire case becomes your battery. Pretty cool idea. The problem, we were told was that that polymer was not stable. I'm quite sure those of you lucky enough to have the Lithium Ion batteries are quite safe and need not worry about any instability. My comment was made in jest and lets hope that they do in fact someday get it to work correctly. I for one would love to get rid of the extra weight of a battery. |===============================================================| |Kris D. Williams | |Instructor/Developer:Mobile Education-IBM Education & Training | |Co-Owner:InComm - Sensible Solutions for the Road Warrior | |My opinions are my own (really!) | |===============================================================| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 11:14:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24720; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:14:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12927; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:02:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:02:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12916; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:02:50 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA10874; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:02:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9506071502.AA10874@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 95 11:04:17 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: ThinkPad "Next Generation" On Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:45:12 -0500 you wrote: >If I had to guess why IBM is going to magazine editors, I'd say it's because >IBM is still trying to shed the skin of the corporate DP shop mentality >where everything is hush-hush until it is ready to roll out, only to find >that what was made didn't even come close to what was needed. I thought this wasn't mentality but a legal edict that came about from the anti-trust suits against IBM a couple decades back. Although IBM managed to "win" in that it wasn't broken up like AT&T, didn't it have some restrictions placed on it, like not being able to pre-announce products to keep people from buying a competitor's product which is available right now, much like a major software company does so successfully right now? It would also tend to explain why IBM sells a few new thinkpads months before production is up to full speed. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 11:24:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24964; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:24:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14227; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:11:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:11:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14193; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:11:20 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA10994; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:11:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9506071511.AA10994@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 95 11:12:44 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: Lithium battery explosion risks? On Tue, 6 Jun 95 15:39:17 -0400 jesse@spine.com wrote: >After reading this idiotic post, I take back my statement about how much >better a mailing list is than a usenet newsgroup, I guess you can't keep >the noise level down anywhere .... The reason I prefer a newsgroup over a mailing list is that newsreaders have more features to let me sort through and weed out the noise before I read through the stuff. Even if the noise level on a newsgroup is higher than on a mailing list, I usually have an easier time picking out the signal with a newsreader. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 11:25:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24973; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:25:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14755; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:15:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:15:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14740; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:15:18 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA11039; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:15:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9506071515.AA11039@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 95 11:16:45 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: TPTV (was: Upgrade 755Cs) On Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Randy Whittle wrote: > I fell for it. I figured, "What the heck" once the price came >down to a reasonable (sort of) range. > > Its quite good actually, but you have to carry around the external >antenna to have it work with any degree of success. > > It ain't a Sony Trinitron, but the picture is acceptable. Is there a video-in plug? If there is, how's the picture from a VCR compare with broadcast? I would think you would want to put the tuner as far as possible from the computer, not right next to it in the floppy bay! _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 11:47:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25605; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:47:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17123; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:33:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:33:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17113; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:33:12 -0400 Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA019369189; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:33:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 10:33:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Subject: Zip PPA-3 To: Thinkpad List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII After spending a ton of time on the phone with the Iomega people, I've figured out how to write a driver for the Zip PPA-3 for Linux. I'm getting all the technical info, and will be starting the project next week. If anyone has a lot of experience with SCSI programming for Linux, please contact me. I have the HOW-TO, but if anyone wants to help me, I'd appreciate it. BTW, I hope no one writes me, and asks me to let them know when I'm done. I'll post to the list as soon as it works. see ya. --Conrad Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Northwestern University conrada-b@nwu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 11:57:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25743; Wed, 7 Jun 95 11:57:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19865; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:50:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:50:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19834; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:50:41 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA27252; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:48:50 +0200 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30857; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:49:18 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sJNKJ-000DNPC; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:47 MET DST Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:47:26 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hanno Wagner To: Ed Holub Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad 370 Series In-Reply-To: <199506061440.JAA04742@millenium.texas.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Ed Holub wrote: > Have you actually ordered a 370? What else is "new" about the 370 except > the DX4/75 processor? I have ordered a Thinkpad, brand new, in germany called 'Thinkpad 370'. I don't have any technical details in my head, but the other thing is the display: TFT; 256 colours by 640x480 pixels. There is no audio card *sigh*, but the normal PCMCIA-Slot. Maybe I can tell you more when I get it, and if you can tell me the normal specification for the 360/750/755xx see you, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK email: wagner@www.bid.fh-hannover.de URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:8080/~wagner/ IRC: Rince (usually on #germany or #muenster or #braunschweig) "This is also a story about sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In. Well... ...one out of three ain't bad." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 12:53:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28478; Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:53:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27494; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:45:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:45:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27478; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:45:14 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA11736; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:39:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: Zip PPA-3 To: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Conrad Albrecht-Buehler wrote: > After spending a ton of time on the phone with the Iomega people, > I've figured out how to write a driver for the Zip PPA-3 for Linux. I'm > getting all the technical info, and will be starting the project next > week. If anyone has a lot of experience with SCSI programming for Linux, > please contact me. I have the HOW-TO, but if anyone wants to help me, > I'd appreciate it. BTW, I hope no one writes me, and asks me to let them > know when I'm done. I'll post to the list as soon as it works. Hmm.... I've heard that the Zip drive works with Linux ...guess I heard wrong? http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 12:55:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28486; Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:55:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27643; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:47:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:47:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27632; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:47:26 -0400 Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA205803641; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:47:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:47:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Subject: Re: Zip PPA-3 To: taoster! Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Hmm.... > > I've heard that the Zip drive works with Linux ...guess I heard wrong? The SCSI version works with Linux(Assuming you have a Linux compatible SCSI card). The Parallel port wersion does not. that's the PPA-3. see ya. --Conrad Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Northwestern University conrada-b@nwu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 12:56:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28491; Wed, 7 Jun 95 12:56:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27883; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:50:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:50:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27864; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:50:09 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA12287; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:44:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 12:44:39 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: Zip PPA-3 To: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, Conrad Albrecht-Buehler wrote: > > Hmm.... > > > > I've heard that the Zip drive works with Linux ...guess I heard wrong? > The SCSI version works with Linux(Assuming you have a Linux compatible > SCSI card). The Parallel port wersion does not. that's the PPA-3. > see ya. --Conrad Ah ...glad I have SCSI ...hope to pick up a Zip soon... http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 17:26:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18824; Wed, 7 Jun 95 17:26:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01929; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:09:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:09:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01918; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 17:09:39 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA11616; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:09:31 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA16785; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:09:30 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506072109.OAA16785@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TPTV (was: Upgrade 755Cs) To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506071515.AA11039@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Jun 7, 95 11:16:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Is there a video-in plug? If there is, how's the picture from a VCR > compare with broadcast? I would think you would want to put the tuner > as far as possible from the computer, not right next to it in the > floppy bay! There is a video-in plug, and I played with it once. Picture is good, but not particularly any better than a good strong tuned-in signal. ----- ___________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Practice random acts | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) | of senseless | (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | viol...err.. | right, they should be yours too.) | kindness! | --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 7 20:53:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28659; Wed, 7 Jun 95 20:53:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27472; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:45:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:45:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27458; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:44:59 -0400 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id UAA23919 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:46:36 -0400 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id BD4585; Wed, 7 Jun 1995 15:18:53 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP 755C From: bedin@channel1.com (Bedin) Message-Id: <40.1026942.700@channel1.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 14:45:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Hello All, I wrote recently asking for info about refurbished Thinkpads and how could one be sure. Well,,my Thinkpad 755c has finally arrived. It's quite an impressive unit. I have been using XT's up til' now so imagine the difference. Better yet, I won this unit in a magazine contest. 170 meg drive and 75 meg chip.. Only drawback is drive size but.... Now that I finally have a machine capable of trying all the progs i was unable to before, it's a brave new world for me. I read this list daily for any and all info I can get and I thank everyone. My main problem with this machine is soundcard things. I have 4 megs ram and have made my separate boot/audio disk per the manual and it has allowed some progs and some not. Not too long ago I read a thread here about getting proper sound from DOOM games. I have tried Doom now and i enjoy it, but jsut PC sound.. Any tricks?? Is it possible to run thru the sound card? A little frustrating. At any rate Thanks again! Thinkpads are mighty impressive. bedin@channel1.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 8 05:10:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22523; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:10:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28649; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:57:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:57:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28639; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:57:09 -0400 Received: from scunix4.harvard.edu by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:57:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199506080857.EAA03690@husc.harvard.edu> Received: from fas.harvard.edu by scunix4.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA20764; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:57:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 04:57:49 -0400 X-Sender: chan4@scunix3.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: chan4@husc.harvard.edu (Derek V. Chan) Subject: USR "V.Everything" Modem...(comments?) X-Mailer: Okay, I say one of these PCMCIA pups in PC Magazine (pg. 36 - June 11, 1995). It looks cool (w/ the status lights and dual phone jacks). My question is...has anyone heard any good or bad things about the USR? Thanks. -- Derek -- "Dear Jim. . . IBM has been interested for some time in pursuing a business combination with Lotus. Because you have been unwilling to proceed with such a transaction, we are announcing this morning our intention to buy all of Lotus Development Corporation's outstanding common shares. . ." -- Louis V. Gerstner 6/5/95 Derek V. Chan dvchan@netcom.com chan4@fas.harvard.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 8 05:40:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24252; Thu, 8 Jun 95 05:40:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06800; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:30:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:30:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06774; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 05:30:21 -0400 Received: from snail.Sun.COM ([129.145.1.3]) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA13470; Thu, 8 Jun 95 02:29:11 PDT Received: from France (isunfra) by snail.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02917; Thu, 8 Jun 95 02:27:34 PDT Received: from bebop.France.Sun.COM (bebop-bb) by France (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12611; Thu, 8 Jun 95 11:27:23 +0200 Received: from otis.France.Sun.COM by bebop.France.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06760; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 11:23:38 +0200 Received: by otis.France.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02143; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 11:22:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 11:22:10 +0200 From: Martin.Patterson@France.Sun.COM (Martin Patterson - Sun Microsystems) Message-Id: <9506080922.AA02143@otis.France.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755c audio on Windows 95 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII There have been lots of questions about getting 755c audio working in different environments, here's one more. I would like to know if anyone has got the 755c audio device working under Windows 95 (beta)...? Or NT 3.51? Thanks, Martin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 8 06:55:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26592; Thu, 8 Jun 95 06:55:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16178; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:44:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:44:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16168; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:44:36 -0400 Received: from scunix4.harvard.edu by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:44:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199506081044.GAA06896@husc.harvard.edu> Received: from fas.harvard.edu by scunix4.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA21289; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:45:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 06:45:17 -0400 X-Sender: chan4@scunix3.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: chan4@husc.harvard.edu (Derek V. Chan) Subject: Re: USR "V.Everything" Modem...(comments?) X-Mailer: >Okay, I saw one of these PCMCIA pups in PC Magazine (pg. 36 - June 11, >1995). It looks cool (w/ the status lights and dual phone jacks). My >question is...has anyone heard any good or bad things about the USR? Thanks. > Sorry for following up my own post, but also, does anyone know if these modems work w/ OS/2 and/or Linux? Thanks. -- "Dear Jim. . . IBM has been interested for some time in pursuing a business combination with Lotus. Because you have been unwilling to proceed with such a transaction, we are announcing this morning our intention to buy all of Lotus Development Corporation's outstanding common shares. . ." -- Louis V. Gerstner 6/5/95 Derek V. Chan dvchan@netcom.com chan4@fas.harvard.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 8 10:10:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08336; Thu, 8 Jun 95 10:10:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10048; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:56:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:56:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10037; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:56:28 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA27531; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:56:06 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:56:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199506081356.IAA27531@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Martin.Patterson@France.Sun.COM (Martin Patterson - Sun Microsystems), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: 755c audio on Windows 95 At 11:22 AM 6/8/95 +0200, Martin Patterson - Sun Microsystems wrote: > >There have been lots of questions about getting 755c audio working in different >environments, here's one more. > >I would like to know if anyone has got the 755c audio device working under >Windows 95 (beta)...? Or NT 3.51? > well, i am running windows 95 on a 755CE.... here is the poop: *Windows 95*: no problem, audio works perfectly (both MIDI and WAV, and SB in DOS). I do not know for certain about a 755c, but I strongly suspect that it will work fine as well. why? because windows 95 tries to use the spiffy new 32-bit Windows 95 drivers for all devices. however, if a 32-bit driver does not exist for a device, windows 95 can use the old windows 3.1 16-bit driver. on my thinkpad 755CE running windows 95, i am using native 32-bit drivers for disk drive, pcmcia controller (no more ibm ezplay required, no more zillions of dos tsrs for pcmcia plug'n'play: it is all built into win 95), 3com pcmcia ethernet card, and the western digital video chipset in the thinkpad. for audio, i am using the old win 3.1 driver from ibm (oh, and yes, all other mwave stuff continues to work fine). windows 95 even _autodetected_ my ibm port replicator, and setup 2 configurations automatically (docked and undocked). oh, and the win95 pcmcia support also handles the extra slots in the port replicator just fine. using the 32-bit video driver with the western digital video is very nice; you can switch screen resolutions "on the fly" without exiting windows. with the pcmcia drivers, novell drivers (built in to win95), winsock tcp/ip (also built in), audio, etc, my ms-dos windows in win95 still have 608K available! before win95, my config.sys was about 70 lines long (multiple configurations, pcmcia/cdrom/novell drivers, etc); now, it is 3 lines long and everything works better. note i am using build 480 (significantly newer than the "official last beta" release). i was very, very skeptical about win95; but so far, it has far exceeded my expectations in practically every aspect. for the easiest install on a thinkpad, BACKUP YOUR ENTIRE HARD DISK!!!, and then install Win95 _on top of_ your win3.1 installation (i.e. install into c:\windows). this is more of a pain if things do not work out, but it makes the install easier because win95 can then automatically grab any 16bit drivers it needs (like for audio) on the fly by analyzing your \windows\system.ini, etc. I am not going to involve myself in an OS flame war; i think it is impossible to say if Win95 is better/worse than OS/2 Warp. However, i say with 100% confidence that Win95 is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better than win3.1 !!!! (damn well should be after 4+ years!!!) *Windows NT*: i investigated this recently, and there are no audio drivers available for NT on a Thinkpad. Even worse, there are no video drivers either: you are stuck with standard VGA, i.e. 640x480 at 16 colors. and NT 3.51 pcmcia support is rather barebones. Win NT (unlike win95) _cannot_ utilize win3.1 drivers. does anybody know if Win95 32-bit drivers are compatible with Win NT drivers? can i take the win95 32-bit video driver and use it in NT? (i personally doubt it) --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 8 18:42:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10639; Thu, 8 Jun 95 18:42:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12833; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:23:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:23:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12788; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 18:23:37 -0400 Received: from holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06179; Thu, 8 Jun 95 15:23:11 PDT Received: by holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU id PAA02588; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:20:12 -0700 From: "Robert George" Message-Id: <9506081520.ZM2586@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:20:11 -0700 In-Reply-To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) "Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list?" (Jun 6, 5:56am) References: <9506060956.AA07927@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 6, 5:56am, Robert Dewar wrote: > Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? > This is a very low volume list in any case, so I really don't > see any point in splitting it. >-- End of excerpt from Robert Dewar You're kidding, right?!!! There were 89 messages posted to this mailing list from Monday through Wednesday! This includes 15 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU on Monday and Tuesday alone :) Robert From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 8 23:50:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25620; Thu, 8 Jun 95 23:50:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16219; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:42:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:42:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16178; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 23:42:01 -0400 Received: by FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA13589; Thu, 8 Jun 95 23:42:48 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 95 23:42:48 EDT From: fox@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (David Fox) Message-Id: <9506090342.AA13589@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? In-Reply-To: <9506081520.ZM2586@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil> References: <9506060956.AA07927@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> <9506081520.ZM2586@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil> Robert George writes: > On Jun 6, 5:56am, Robert Dewar wrote: > > > This is a very low volume list in any case, so I really don't > > see any point in splitting it. > > You're kidding, right?!!! > > There were 89 messages posted to this mailing list from Monday through > Wednesday! But messages about mailing list administration, splitting, volume, etc. don't count... -david From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 01:02:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28930; Fri, 9 Jun 95 01:02:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23407; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 00:54:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 00:54:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23390; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 00:54:47 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA17490; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:54:46 GMT Message-Id: <199506090454.AA17490@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip7-20.fl.us.ibm.net(129.37.7.20) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaIlADmb; Fri Jun 9 04:54:38 1995 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 95 21:25:27 PDT From: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Stephen Hosmer's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? >It's definitely more helpful for everyone to be part of this already small >group rather than to break it down further. For example, discussion about >an OS often drifts into a discussion about the hardware...etc... I wholly agree. I can easily tag and delete message RE: Linux if I am feeling rushed and don't want to read them. On the other hand I have found a lot of it informative and interesting. This comes from one that previouly wanted to be more exclusive with respect to limiting TP3xx messages. I have changed my ways. :-) ________________________________ Stephen Hosmer shosmer@ibm.net Does anybody want to buy this 750C? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 04:09:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11305; Fri, 9 Jun 95 04:09:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11384; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 03:58:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 03:58:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11373; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 03:58:16 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23726 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:58:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA21987 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:58:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199506090758.JAA21987@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:58:02 -0600 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: No dialtone So, I'm in Grenoble now on my sabbatical and I'm happily hooked into my new network, etc. I have a small problem with dialup, however. The only modem I'm using is the MWAVE modem, so it might be peculiar to that situation. I am connecting to the French telephone system through an adapter that takes me from the French telephone plug to the North American (RJ-whatever) plug. I use Windows for dial in sessions. The problem is this: when I try to dial using the modem (ATD in terminal, or "dial" in kermit), I get the response "no dial tone". However, if I first open the line (AT H1 in Hayes parlance), and then do an ATD..., I am able to dial out and connect just fine, using either pulse or tone dialing. So, as it stands, I must manually open the line and then dial. I really don't think I should need the first bit. I think I can work around this by inserting an ATH1 followed by a pause, and then the dialing sequence, but I haven't been able to try this yet. I tried changing the "country code" in the ThinkPad MWAVE group, but it complained that I was using the wrong connector for European telephony (France, however, is not in the country code list for some reason). Has anyone experienced similar, admittedly minor, problems taking a ThinkPad with North American telephony abroad? Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 04:29:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12252; Fri, 9 Jun 95 04:29:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14390; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:20:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:20:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14374; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:20:19 -0400 Received: from lcs-m5 by lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu ; 9 JUN 95 04:20:39 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:20:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Bormel Subject: Re: 755c audio on Windows 95 To: Todd Tannenbaum Cc: Martin Patterson - Sun Microsystems , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506081356.IAA27531@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Todd, How well does win-95 handle suspend/resume and hibernate? --------------------------------------------- On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Todd Tannenbaum wrote: > At 11:22 AM 6/8/95 +0200, Martin Patterson - Sun Microsystems wrote: > >There have been lots of questions about getting 755c audio working in different > >environments, here's one more. > > > >I would like to know if anyone has got the 755c audio device working under > >Windows 95 (beta)...? Or NT 3.51? > > > > well, i am running windows 95 on a 755CE.... here is the poop: > > *Windows 95*: no problem, audio works perfectly (both MIDI and WAV, and SB > in DOS). I do not know for certain about a 755c, but I strongly suspect > that it will work fine as well. why? because windows 95 tries to use the > spiffy new 32-bit Windows 95 drivers for all devices. however, if a 32-bit > ... glowing report of win-95 truncated at this point... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 04:54:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12930; Fri, 9 Jun 95 04:54:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17023; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:43:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:43:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17012; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 04:43:22 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA15950; Fri, 9 Jun 95 04:43:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 04:43:57 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506090843.AA15950@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: george@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? 30 messages a day is low volume, many newsgroups have volumes of hundreds of messages a day. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 05:26:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14760; Fri, 9 Jun 95 05:26:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20900; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:14:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:14:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20869; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:14:35 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27769; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:14:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA23050; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:14:15 +0200 Message-Id: <199506090914.LAA23050@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:14:15 -0600 In-Reply-To: Robert Dewar's message as of Jun 9, 11:06am X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar), george@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: is there interest in a thinkpad unix list? Let's stop discussing whether or not to split this list up and just get back to talking about ThinkPads. There probably will be a day when volume is excessive, but I recently discovered this little key stuck between "e", "s", "f" and "c" that sometimes comes in handy. Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 05:50:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15709; Fri, 9 Jun 95 05:50:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28186; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:39:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:39:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28176; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 05:39:25 -0400 From: Received: from sol.lssec.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:29:44 +0100 Received: from lssec.bt.co.uk by sol.lssec.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP) id <19129-0@sol.lssec.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:30:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:30:23 +0100 Message-Id: <5108.9506090930@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Windows '95 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII This isn't very tp related, but it may interest those to users who use Win '95. I've make no claim as to the accuracy of the reports, I'm just passing on other people's comments. #include Robb ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters | Systems & Software Engineer BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC | CEC home page (BT only) - http://www.lssec.bt.co.uk:8080/ ____________________|___________________________________________________________ In article 802247272snz@swarb.demon.co.uk, David Swarbrick writes: >The following message has appeared in RISKS > >Newsgroups: comp.risks >From: cnorloff@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil >Date: Wed, 17 May 95 13:44:40 EDT > >Microsoft officials confirm that beta versions of Windows 95 include a >small viral routine called Registration Wizard. It interrogates every >system on a network gathering intelligence on what software is being run >on which machine. It then creates a complete listing of both Microsoft's >and competitors' products by machine, which it reports to Microsoft when >customers sign up for Microsoft's Network Services, due for launch later >this year. > >"In Short" column, page 88, _Information Week_ magazine, May 22, 1995 > >The implications of this action, and the attitude of Microsoft to plan >such action, beggars the imagination. > >Chris Norloff cnorloff@tecnet1.jcte.jcs.mil > >- ----- > >An update on this. A friend of mine got hold of a copy of the beta test CD >of Win95, and set up a packet sniffer between his serial port and the >modem. When you try out the free demo time on The Microsoft Network, it >transmits your entire directory structure in background. > >This means that they have a list of every directory (and, potentially every >file) on your machine. It would not be difficult to have something like a >FileRequest from your system to theirs, without you knowing about it. This >way they could get ahold of any juicy routines you've written yourself and >claim them as their own if you don't have them copyrighted. > >Needless to say, I'm rather annoyed about this. > >So spread the word as far and wide as possible: Steer clear of Windows 95. >There's nothing to say that this "feature" will be removed in the final >release! > >--- >My understanding is that Microsoft have commented admitting this, but I >have not seen it directly admitted. > >I feel this is an appalling vanity on Micrsoft's part. They seem to >just treat customers with utter contempt. > >For a lawyer, how can I ever trust Microsoft enough to use their >software. They made no announcement of this. I understand they >say that they 'always intended' to make this transparent and >optional, just hadn't got around to it. > >What else have Microsoft 'just not got around to? >With MSDOS5 (?) they issued - and continued for some considerable >time to issue - a version of Chkdsk which in certain circumstances >would trash a hard disk. Is this a one company attempt to fully >test out the Computer Misuse Act? > > >-- >David Swarbrick | >Swarbrick & Co, Solicitors | Just Mooting UK Law On Line (Free access) >22 Bradford Road Brighouse HD6 1RW| UK 01484 401139 (24 hrs speeds to 14.4k) >Telephone [01484] 722531 | david@swarb.demon.co.uk > A cheerful coincidence of Law, Computers, and Common Sense ----- End Included Message ----- ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 08:19:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21837; Fri, 9 Jun 95 08:19:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13092; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:03:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:03:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13072; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:03:09 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA16313; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 07:03:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9506091203.AA16313@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 95 08:04:35 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: Windows '95 On Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:30:23 +0100 Robb Masters wrote: >This isn't very tp related, but it may interest those to users who use >Win '95. I've make no claim as to the accuracy of the reports, I'm just >passing on other people's comments. > >In article 802247272snz@swarb.demon.co.uk, David Swarbrick > writes: >> >>Microsoft officials confirm that beta versions of Windows 95 include a >>small viral routine called Registration Wizard. It interrogates every >>system on a network gathering intelligence on what software is being run >>on which machine. It then creates a complete listing of both Microsoft's >>and competitors' products by machine, which it reports to Microsoft when >>customers sign up for Microsoft's Network Services, due for launch later >>this year. I believe Microsoft this as: (1) it will only interrogate the machine Windows 95 is installed on, not the entire network. (2) It will only send the information to Microsoft if you check off a clearly labeled option to do so. I don't think we've heard the end of this yet. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 08:29:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22379; Fri, 9 Jun 95 08:29:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14919; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:17:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:17:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14909; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:17:49 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id OAA01893; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:19:28 +0200 Received: from wsbsz.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA09648; Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:45:43 +0200 Received: from wsmp3 by wsbsz.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA09998; Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:43:04 +0200 Message-Id: <9506090943.AA09998@wsbsz.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by wsmp3 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA25750; Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:42:40 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:42:39 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: No dialtone References: <199506090758.JAA21987@safran-28> Eugene Fiume writes: > The only modem I'm using is the MWAVE modem, so it might be > peculiar to that situation. I am connecting to the French > telephone system through an adapter that takes me from the > French telephone plug to the North American (RJ-whatever) > plug. I use Windows for dial in sessions. > > The problem is this: when I try to dial using the modem (ATD > in terminal, or "dial" in kermit), I get the response "no dial > tone". However, if I first open the line (AT H1 in Hayes > parlance), and then do an ATD..., I am able to dial out and > connect just fine, using either pulse or tone dialing. Probably not an MWAVE problem, as I have encountered it with other modems ... Seems some European phone switches do not generate dial tones of quite the precision that we're accustomed to in North America, such that the modem circuitry doesn't recognize the tone. Workaround: Sorry, it's a while since I've done this, and I don't have a Hayes command summary handy, but there's a small modification to the dialing prefix that bypasses the dial tone check -- should be easy to find in your MWAVE manual. Good luck, Tim --- Tim Vetter vfr@ubszh.net.ch (ASCII, MIME, NeXTMail) Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development, Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2357921 fax: (+41) 1/2368392 snailmail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 09:44:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26466; Fri, 9 Jun 95 09:44:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24797; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:29:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:29:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24787; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:29:31 -0400 From: Received: from sol.lssec.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:15:57 +0100 Received: from lssec.bt.co.uk by sol.lssec.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP) id <26090-0@sol.lssec.bt.co.uk>; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:16:37 +0100 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:16:35 +0100 Message-Id: <5865.9506091316@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Windows '95 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII John, I think you've missed out a verb phrase :-) > I believe Microsoft this as: (1) it will only interrogate the machine ^ > Windows 95 is installed on, not the entire network. (2) It will only > send the information to Microsoft if you check off a clearly labeled > option to do so. "stated"? "did"? "will get away with"? "are a bunch of tossers for doing"? I don't mean to be picky, but it does make a difference to the interpretation. Robb ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters | We do the things to make us whole, but empty inside BT D&P | We do the things to make us feel when all our feelings have died SSI BSEC CEC | "Paragon of Easy Virtue" - Purr _____________|__________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 11:35:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03882; Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:35:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10777; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:23:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:23:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10767; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:23:32 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id LAA27484; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:26:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Eugene Fiume Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: No dialtone In-Reply-To: <199506090758.JAA21987@safran-28> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Eugene Fiume wrote: > So, I'm in Grenoble Geshuntheight > The problem is this: when I try to dial using the modem (ATD in > terminal, or "dial" in kermit), I get the response "no dial tone". > However, if I first open the line (AT H1 in Hayes parlance), and then > do an ATD..., I am able to dial out and connect just fine, using either > pulse or tone dialing. A far easier solution would to be to change your dialing string to atx1d, which almost always stands for do not wait for dialtone on hayes command set modems. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 11:56:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07032; Fri, 9 Jun 95 11:56:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13832; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:46:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:46:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13822; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:46:27 -0400 Received: from stes02.sch.ge.com ([3.72.108.134]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA09170 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:46:21 -0400 Received: from SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM (smtpgw.sch.ge.com [3.10.206.1]) by stes02.sch.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA07698 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:46:20 -0400 Received: by SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM with Microsoft Mail id <2FD86D07@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM>; Fri, 09 Jun 95 11:47:19 edt From: "Pallante, Joseph" To: think list Subject: TP755CSE with QEMM Date: Fri, 09 Jun 95 11:28:00 edt Message-Id: <2FD86D07@SMTPGW.SCH.GE.COM> Encoding: 17 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hello there... Anyone out there have suggestions on using QEMM's Stealth option with my ThinkPad? I NEED to squeeze just a little more RAM out of my 755CSE so that a DOS application will work. WIth Stealth enabled, I have enough RAM, but my computer locks up when entering windows. (I am connecting to a Lanman network, and NT network, and multiple Novell nets using WFW on a Netware shell) My network adaptor is a 3COM Etherlink III PCMCIA card. I examined the troubleshooting stealth rom technote from quarterdeck, but had very little success. Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 12:58:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11169; Fri, 9 Jun 95 12:58:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20598; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:51:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:51:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20586; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:51:33 -0400 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id MAA08834 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 12:53:10 -0400 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id D6C4CF; Thu, 8 Jun 1995 15:24:34 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: thanks From: bedin@channel1.com (Bedin) Message-Id: <40.1029867.700@channel1.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 14:45:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Many Thanks for the Audio help. I'm new to this reader, so I hope this message makes it to Ron Heiby. --- * OLX 2.1 TD * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 13:29:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12861; Fri, 9 Jun 95 13:29:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22663; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:21:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:20:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22646; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:20:57 -0400 From: Received: from salem.salem.ge.com ([3.29.7.8]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA16883 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:20:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:20:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199506091720.NAA16883@ns.ge.com> Apparently-To: To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >From spencer Fri Jun 09 13:21:08 EDT 1995 remote from spencer.salem.ge.com Received: from spencer.salem.ge.com by salem.salem.ge.com; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:21 EDT Received: by spencer.salem.ge.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Fri, 9 Jun 95 13:21 EST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 09 Jun 95 13:21:08 EDT From: spencer@spencer.salem.ge.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: UNIX - PS2 Mouse in 755CSE X-Mailer: GE Openmail [version L1.0.4] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 575 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm using an 'UNIX' like OS (sorry not linux) in which I need to write my own drivers. The PS2 mouse driver I've been using for the TP750 and TP755C doesn't seem to work on a TP755CSE. Aparently something has changed. I've examined the psaux.c code from Linux but don't see the problem. Does anyone know of any differences? Is anyone using the Trakpoint mouse w/ Linux on a CSE? Thanks! Andy Spencer andy@spencer.salem.ge.com (703) 387-7361 (Voice) (703) 387-8651 (Fax) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 15:00:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17883; Fri, 9 Jun 95 15:00:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02332; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:50:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:50:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02313; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:50:38 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA21849; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:50:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:50:31 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: Windows '95 To: rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <5865.9506091316@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jun 1995 rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk wrote: > John, > > I think you've missed out a verb phrase :-) > > > I believe Microsoft this as: (1) it will only interrogate the machine > ^ > > Windows 95 is installed on, not the entire network. (2) It will only > > send the information to Microsoft if you check off a clearly labeled > > option to do so. > > "stated"? "did"? "will get away with"? "are a bunch of tossers for doing"? "explained" :-) Sorry about that. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 15:47:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21026; Fri, 9 Jun 95 15:47:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09012; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:34:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:34:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from greece.elab.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08973; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:34:35 -0400 Received: (stevens@localhost) by greece.elab.columbia.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4.elab) id PAA18316; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:33:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:33:59 -0400 From: stevens@elab.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens) Message-Id: <199506091933.PAA18316@greece.elab.columbia.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: sound from CD-ROM well, I went out and bought one of those Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM drives. The setup was real easy, and I am now able to run CD-ROM software. However, I can't seem to get the thing to play any sounds through my TP750C audio chip. Is this supported? As per Panasonic's suggestion, I installed "[MCI] CD Audio" in my windows, to no avail. I have a TP750C, DOS 6.3, Win 3.1. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 19:09:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02028; Fri, 9 Jun 95 19:09:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04507; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:00:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:00:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04484; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:00:15 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA07112 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 18:00:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 18:00:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199506092300.SAA07112@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: sound from CD-ROM At 03:33 PM 6/9/95 -0400, you wrote: > >well, I went out and bought one of those Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM >drives. The setup was real easy, and I am now able to run CD-ROM >software. However, I can't seem to get the thing to play any sounds >through my TP750C audio chip. Is this supported? As per Panasonic's >suggestion, I installed "[MCI] CD Audio" in my windows, to no avail. > >I have a TP750C, DOS 6.3, Win 3.1. > >--andy > i believe you have to connect the headphone output from the CD-ROM drive to the thinkpad's sound input. (or just wear he headphones directly) on a sad note, the panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM does _NOT_ work with Windows 95. :-( --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 19:20:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04713; Fri, 9 Jun 95 19:20:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05276; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05255; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:51 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@webe.hooked.net [199.2.134.9]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA09786 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 16:15:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199506092315.QAA09786@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 16:15:27 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: NON-TP: Re: Windows '95 >>Microsoft officials confirm that beta versions of Windows 95 include a >>small viral routine called Registration Wizard. It interrogates every viral? as in self-replicating code? piffle. >>This means that they have a list of every directory (and, potentially every >>file) on your machine. It would not be difficult to have something like a >>FileRequest from your system to theirs, without you knowing about it. This >>way they could get ahold of any juicy routines you've written yourself and >>claim them as their own if you don't have them copyrighted. Am I the only one who thinks this is silly? If microsoft wants my juicy routines, they can certainly afford to buy them from me. ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 9 19:20:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04718; Fri, 9 Jun 95 19:20:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05275; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05256; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 19:15:51 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@webe.hooked.net [199.2.134.9]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA09811 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 1995 16:15:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199506092315.QAA09811@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 16:15:30 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: suspend/resume hibernate (was Re: 755c audio on Windows 95) At 04:20 AM 6/9/95 -0400, Joe Bormel wrote: > How well does win-95 handle suspend/resume and hibernate? I haven't tried hibernate, but suspend and resume are a bit off. Works most of the time, but sometimes (I've yet to find the pattern) it refuses to suspend, even with the lid closed. I have locked up in resume when I turn it on without power, suspend, then try to resume with the ac plugged in. I also get a very weird, and again, inconsistent, bug where resume doesn't work at all, unless I lift the keyboard and pull out the battery (and put it back in). Generally, it works okay though, the problems occur in something like 1 in 20 times, and I've just taken to saving my work before suspending (probably a good idea anyway). ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 10 00:29:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18532; Sat, 10 Jun 95 00:29:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07095; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:21:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:21:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07032; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:21:47 -0400 Received: (from riddlera@localhost) by acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id AAA17506; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:22:23 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 00:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randy A. Riddle" X-Sender: riddlera@acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu To: Todd Tannenbaum Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: sound from CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199506092300.SAA07112@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Todd Tannenbaum wrote: > on a sad note, the panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM does _NOT_ work with Windows 95. :-( I'm curious if anyone tried this: Start out with Win 3.1. Install the driver for the CD-ROM. Install Win95 from the CD. I remember reading somewhere that if Win95 doesn't have a driver for a particular device, it will revert to the Win3.1 driver for the device. Would doing the install through the device (and thus already making it a part of your hardware) force the system to use the old driver?? Randy A. Riddle > > > > --------- > Todd Tannenbaum > CAE Model Advanced Facility > email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 10 04:36:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29834; Sat, 10 Jun 95 04:36:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00924; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 04:30:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 04:30:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02430; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 03:59:23 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA09709; Sat, 10 Jun 95 03:08:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 03:08:05 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506100708.AA09709@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jesse@spine.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: NON-TP: Re: Windows '95 the talk of viruses and stealing copyrighted code (you cannot "write something yourself and .. don't have them copyrighted" unless you explicitly waivce the copyright, you automatically have a copyright on everything you write) is indeed silly, but a number of people have considered this MS procedure to be intrusive, and I certainly would not carry it out on my machine. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 10 17:43:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09290; Sat, 10 Jun 95 17:43:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09970; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:33:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:33:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09960; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:33:56 -0400 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA093259826; Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:30:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 1995 17:30:26 -0400 Message-Id: <950610173026_92380138@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: sound from CD-ROM >I remember reading somewhere that if Win95 doesn't have a driver for a >particular device, it will revert to the Win3.1 driver for the device. >Would doing the install through the device (and thus already making it a >part of your hardware) force the system to use the old driver?? Not necessarily. I put Win95 on an AT&T Globalyst with some strange kind of CD-ROM (can't remember exactly what it was). I installed Win95 from the CD-ROM under DOS. When the machine tried to boot Win95 for the first time, it would crash. As it turns out, that CD-ROM drive is (at present) incompatible with the 32-bit file and disk system drivers that come with Win95. I had to manually tell Win95 not to use the 32-bit drivers (which no doubt exacts a huge performance hit). So while it's possible that your experiment could meet with success, it's not guaranteed. Maybe if someone could inform me (and the rest of the list) of what DOS & Windows drivers the Panasonic CD-ROM unit uses, we could diagnose the problem. In my experience peripherals can usually be made to work with Win95 because it's derived in large part from DOS/Win 3.1 (both its blessing and its curse). As with the aforementioned AT&T Globalyst, it may be necessary to turn off the 32-bit file and disk system drivers. This would exact such a perfomance penalty that I doubt it would be worth it, though. Win95 supports a fair number of PCMCIA SCSI cards straight out of the box, and I'm sure that these would work fine with an external SCSI CD-ROM drive. If anyone is really interested I can look up what those cards are and report it. I hope everyone enjoys the rest of the weekend. It's really nice here in the Tennessee, where I'm staying until summer school starts back up. Wesley Dunaway Dunaway_Wesley/Furman@furman.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jun 11 10:34:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24966; Sun, 11 Jun 95 10:34:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23134; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:22:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:22:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.uga.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23124; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:22:20 -0400 Received: from sb.dcs.uga.edu (sb.dcs.uga.edu [128.192.95.12]) by dns1.uga.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA34203 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:22:19 -0400 Received: (from tluu@localhost) by sb.dcs.uga.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id KAA13936 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:22:18 -0400 From: Tong Luu Message-Id: <199506111422.KAA13936@sb.dcs.uga.edu> Subject: 701 INTERNAL MODEM To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp IBM) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:22:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Hi Everyone, I have just gotten my 701C Thinkpad. This Thinkpad comes with an internal modem. I am planning to use it in Hong Kong during this summer. Does anyone know how to make the internal modem work overseas? My knowledge in modem is minimal. Please gives pointer in hardware adapter and software setup. I am using Procomm Plus for Window... Works fine right now here in US. Thanks in advance for any help.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jun 11 10:37:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24973; Sun, 11 Jun 95 10:37:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22988; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:18:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:18:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.uga.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22977; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:18:09 -0400 Received: from sb.dcs.uga.edu (sb.dcs.uga.edu [128.192.95.12]) by dns1.uga.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id KAA31882 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:18:08 -0400 Received: (from tluu@localhost) by sb.dcs.uga.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id KAA53082 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:18:07 -0400 From: Tong Luu Message-Id: <199506111418.KAA53082@sb.dcs.uga.edu> Subject: This is a test To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp IBM) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 10:18:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text This is just a test... Please ignore From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 09:58:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07344; Mon, 12 Jun 95 09:58:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22387; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:37:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:37:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22358; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:37:25 -0400 From: Received: from sol.lssec.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:59:14 +0100 Received: from lssec.bt.co.uk by sol.lssec.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP) id <10432-0@sol.lssec.bt.co.uk>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:59:54 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:59:52 +0100 Message-Id: <8118.9506121259@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: (Fwd) Heads Up - Bogus PKZIP (fwd) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Last time I posted a warning of dubious software to this list (ie Windows '95) I received offensive flames (by e-mail), all from the same person, saying that he knew it was "BULLSHIT!!!" and that I shouldn't post things I don't *know* to be fact to the list. I still choose to disagree (and I note that he still hasn't posted his "facts" to the list). I don't know the following to be fact but I'm sure people would rather see a warning about something that turned out to be safe, than not see a warning about something that had such "undesireable features". All the other usual disclaimers apply. It's not my company's opinion - hell, it's not even my own opinion. ;-) ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 09:53 EET To: deon@aztec.co.za,naude@aztec.co.za,larry@netbenefit.co.uk,abc_comp@aztec.co.za,barnarda@telkom15.telkom.co.za,gil@spi.co.za,towe@cyberspace.com,nisof,kevin@united.po.my From: eric@aztec.co.za (Eric at Africrop SA ) Subject: Heads Up - Bogus PKZIP (fwd) >> The following warning has been posted on various newsgroups: >> >> "Some joker out there is distributing a file >> called PKZ300B.EXE and PKZ300B.ZIP. This is NOT a >> version of PKZIP and will try to erase your >> harddrive if you use it. The most recent version >> is 2.04G. Please tell all your friends and >> favorite BBS stops about this hack. >> >> Thank You. >> >> Patrick Weeks Product Support PKWARE, Inc." >> >> Notification received from Peter Winfield - Thanks Peter! >> >> Regards, >> Christopher Guy, Location IC12, Phone (27) (0)11 320 8631 >> za2mhx9h@ibmmail.com or Internet: chris_guy@za.ibm.com ____________________________________ Eric Smith Africrop South Africa eric@aztec.co.za Snail Mail: PO Box 478 Hazyview, 1242 South Africa Tel: +27 1317 67755 ____________________________________ ----- End Included Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters | Systems & Software Engineer BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC | CEC home page (BT only) - http://www.lssec.bt.co.uk:8080/ ____________________|___________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 11:21:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12058; Mon, 12 Jun 95 11:21:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00906; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:08:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:08:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00893; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:08:31 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17572; Mon, 12 Jun 95 11:07:58 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 11:07:58 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506121507.AA17572@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: (Fwd) Heads Up - Bogus PKZIP (fwd) it is problematic to forward these kinds of warnings without checking them out. People enjoy starting completely false rumours, and then count on people like rmasters to forward them indiscriminately, causing thoudsands of messages to invade the net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 12:19:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14993; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:19:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06026; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:12:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:11:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06011; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:11:55 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA13407 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:11:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:11:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199506121611.LAA13407@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: suspend/resume hibernate (was Re: 755c audio on Windows 95) At 04:15 PM 6/9/95 -0700, you wrote: >At 04:20 AM 6/9/95 -0400, Joe Bormel wrote: >> How well does win-95 handle suspend/resume and hibernate? > >I haven't tried hibernate, but suspend and resume are a bit off. Works most >of the time, but sometimes (I've yet to find the pattern) it refuses to >suspend, even with the lid closed. I have locked up in resume when I turn >it on without power, suspend, then try to resume with the ac plugged in. > > I have not encountered any problems with suspend (win95, build 480); then again, I probably only suspend my machine a few times a week. I have not experimented yet with hibernate. --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 12:35:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15539; Mon, 12 Jun 95 12:35:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06999; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:24:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:24:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06989; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:24:12 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA13506; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:24:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 11:24:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199506121624.LAA13506@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Randy A. Riddle" , TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: sound from CD-ROM At 12:22 AM 6/10/95 -0400, you wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Todd Tannenbaum wrote: > >> on a sad note, the panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM does _NOT_ work with Windows 95. :-( > >I'm curious if anyone tried this: > >Start out with Win 3.1. Install the driver for the CD-ROM. Install >Win95 from the CD. > >I remember reading somewhere that if Win95 doesn't have a driver for a >particular device, it will revert to the Win3.1 driver for the device. >Would doing the install through the device (and thus already making it a >part of your hardware) force the system to use the old driver?? > the panasonic pcmcia cd-rom does not include any windows 3.1 drivers. instead, there are 2 DOS drivers in config.sys which look like: aspimngr.sys /port=380 kmecd.sys /d:PCMCIACD aspi is for the scsi (i guess), and kmecd is some driver for the drive itself. we placed a phone call to tech support. they said that "yes, the drive does not work with Windows 95. However, we refuse to develop a driver for beta software. If Microsoft does release Win95 in August, we will hopefully have a driver by late Sept or Oct". --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 13:26:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18406; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:26:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10344; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:18:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:18:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10328; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:18:02 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18549; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:18:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:18:51 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506121718.AA18549@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, riddlera@wfu.edu, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Subject: Re: sound from CD-ROM "we placed a phone call to tech support. they said that "yes, the drive does not work with Windows 95. However, we refuse to develop a driver for beta software. If Microsoft does release Win95 in August, we will hopefully have a driver by late Sept or Oct". Ho-ho-ho, and people expect that Windows 95 will rescue them from driver madness, well one can hope (the situation with NT is still horrible). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 13:26:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18415; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:26:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10259; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:16:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:16:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10248; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:16:27 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18528; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:17:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:17:17 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506121717.AA18528@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Subject: Re: suspend/resume hibernate (was Re: 755c audio on Windows 95) one thing I notice with my CX is that if I suspend, then the Mwave modem seems broken when I resume, and I have to restart it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 13:27:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18421; Mon, 12 Jun 95 13:27:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10450; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:20:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:20:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10439; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 13:20:20 -0400 From: Received: from sol.lssec.bt.co.uk by zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:42:52 +0100 Received: from lssec.bt.co.uk by sol.lssec.bt.co.uk with SMTP (PP) id <16470-0@sol.lssec.bt.co.uk>; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:43:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:43:34 +0100 Message-Id: <952.9506121643@bohinj.lssec.bt.co.uk> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: (Fwd) Heads Up - Bogus PKZIP (fwd) X-Sun-Charset: ISO-8859-1 > it is problematic to forward these kinds of warnings without checking them > out. People enjoy starting completely false rumours, and then count on > people like rmasters to forward them indiscriminately, causing thoudsands > of messages to invade the net. Hence the disclaimers. If it worries you, check it out. If it doesn't bother you, don't. It doesn't bother me, so I haven't. But as I said before, I believe it to be better to be cautious about a safe product than blasi about an unsafe one. In the case of Windows '95, an article was printed in Information Week magazine which lent it some credibility. It was also discussed at great length on uk.legal - which I guess most of you don't read (not being in the UK). In the case of PKUNZIP (or not) anyone who's interested can just get another version and no-one will lose any money or any data either. This information was supplied to me (and many others) by the managing director of a commercial computing company - so he'd better know what he's talking about as his reputation, and that of his company, is rather on the line. I wouldn't say I forward things "indiscriminately" though. You've yet to see me post anything about "MAKE MONEY FAST", "Good Times viruses" or Cookie recipies ;-) Anyway, I understand, and do in fact agree with, the rest of Robert's comments and it's nice to see constructive criticism as opposed to personal insults and abuse (Duane take note). End of subject? If you all really object to me posting such warnings, let me know. Just don't go e-mailing me when your system dies... (irony intended). Robb ________________________________________________________________________________ | Robb Masters | Systems & Software Engineer BT D&P SSI BSEC CEC | CEC home page (BT only) - http://www.lssec.bt.co.uk:8080/ ____________________|___________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 14:51:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24107; Mon, 12 Jun 95 14:51:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17117; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17090; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:25 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA21773 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:22 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33722; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:40:51 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Message-Id: <9506121840.AA33722@yu1.yu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: A view of things to come In one of the announcements today IBM announced a 133Mhz Pentium desktop model. Does anyone know what speed the next Pentium thinkpad would likely have?? Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 14:58:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24339; Mon, 12 Jun 95 14:58:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17741; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:52:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:52:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from student.uq.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17731; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:52:10 -0400 Received: from student.uq.edu.au (cs322612@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id EAA29040 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 04:51:55 +1000 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 04:51:49 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson To: tp750 Subject: Quick tip to all those who don't want to invest in Trackpoint futures Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Found the miracle cure for old trackpoint caps. There's some stuff called 'Wiretack'. It comes in a spray can and is used to fasten lose wires to circuitboards. Spray some on an old trackpoint cap. Better than new. Feels much like the new Cat's tongues. It's just something I found. I have no idea where to get this stuff, and claim no responsibility for anything this does to fingertips. I've been using this one for 2 weeks and all is well. If my finger drops off, I'll be sure to post (minus any 'f's which will of course not be typed). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 15:06:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24839; Mon, 12 Jun 95 15:06:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18091; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:58:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:58:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18075; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 14:58:51 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29198; Mon, 12 Jun 95 14:59:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 95 14:59:33 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506121859.AA29198@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: A view of things to come didn't Intel announce 120MHz as the next low voltage Pentium target by year end. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 15:41:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26700; Mon, 12 Jun 95 15:41:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20789; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:33:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:33:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20778; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:33:17 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA29153 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:33:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199506121933.MAA29153@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 12:32:59 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Heads Up - Bogus PKZIP (fwd) It's unfortunate that you were flamed, but these warnings probably aren't appropriate for this list. These types of warnings pop up all the time, and a fraction of them are valid. I believe you have good intentions, but there are other places for readers to find these warnings (alt.folklore.urban comes to mind), and I don't think warnings should be posted here unless they are warnings about thinkpads.. At 01:59 PM 6/12/95 +0100, rmasters@lssec.bt.co.uk wrote: >Last time I posted a warning of dubious software to this list (ie Windows >'95) I received offensive flames (by e-mail), all from the same person, saying >that he knew it was "BULLSHIT!!!" and that I shouldn't post things I don't >*know* to be fact to the list. > >I still choose to disagree (and I note that he still hasn't posted his "facts" >to the list). > >I don't know the following to be fact but I'm sure people would rather see a >warning about something that turned out to be safe, than not see a warning >about something that had such "undesireable features". ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 12 16:04:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27797; Mon, 12 Jun 95 16:04:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22018; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:54:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:54:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22008; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 15:54:13 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA13836 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:54:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA18379 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:54:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199506121954.VAA18379@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 21:54:04 -0600 In-Reply-To: Robert Dewar's message as of Jun 12, 7:31pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: suspend/resume hibernate (was Re: 755c audio on Windows 95) On Jun 12, 7:31pm, Robert Dewar wrote: } Subject: Re: suspend/resume hibernate (was Re: 755c audio on Windows 95) } one thing I notice with my CX is that if I suspend, then the Mwave } modem seems broken when I resume, and I have to restart it. }-- End of excerpt from Robert Dewar I'm pretty sure the same thing happens on my CE. I'll test it next time I "hibernate". A problem I've been getting with frustrating regularity is that each time I have used an MWAVE function within Windows 3.11, whenever I exit Windows I have to reboot. I've tried (really!) to shed my UNIX-culture phobia about rebooting, but this seems silly. Anyone have a fix? Eugene Fiume. P.S. To all who suggested ATX1D as the solution to my "dialtone" problem, thank you. It works most of the time. The lines up here in the mountains are very noisy, but there are other compensations. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 01:08:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16002; Tue, 13 Jun 95 01:08:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23705; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:59:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:59:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23689; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:59:01 -0400 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA138569327; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:55:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 00:55:27 -0400 Message-Id: <950613005526_93766602@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Active Matrix screen TRICK! I was wondering if anyone else noticed that if you push your mouse cursor against the very left corner of the screen in Windows, a single black pixel that trails, appears about 1/2 inch below the cursor on the last column of pixels on an active matrix screen. This seems to happen on almost all active screens regardless of computer manufacturer as far as I know. It happens on my 755C as well. Is it a Windows bug, screen defect, or something else? I think it's a minor thing of concern but I was just wondering out of curiosity. I don't think it affects anything performance wise. Can anyone help? Any comments are appreciated. Thank you. Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 01:18:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16035; Tue, 13 Jun 95 01:18:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24164; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:10:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:10:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24154; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:10:54 -0400 From: Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA116890222; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:10:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 01:10:22 -0400 Message-Id: <950613011020_93773532@aol.com> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: A view of things to come In a message dated 95-06-12 14:53:56 EDT, hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) writes: >In one of the announcements today IBM announced a 133Mhz Pentium desktop >model. Does anyone know what speed the next Pentium thinkpad would >likely have?? >Josh Hosseinoff >hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > For notebooks, Intel will be producing mobile Pentium versions (lower than 3.3 volts, 2.x I think) in 75Mhz and 90Mhz models. I've heard that they'll be skipping a 100 Mhz version of the mobile Pentium and go directly to a 120Mhz version for notebooks. Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 03:29:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21365; Tue, 13 Jun 95 03:29:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00305; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:21:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:21:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00294; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:21:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 03:31:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21373; Tue, 13 Jun 95 03:31:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00496; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:26:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:26:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00486; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:26:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 03:29:48 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: WIn95 and MWave Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone last week mentioned they installed Win95 on a 755CE with great success. I can't seem to get the MWave stuff to work properly ....audio only works when playing an AVI ...WAV and MIDI players do not work. Thanks! Oh yea ..build 347 I think.. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 05:53:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28031; Tue, 13 Jun 95 05:53:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13610; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:42:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:42:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13598; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 05:42:44 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa10752; 13 Jun 95 10:41 +0100 Received: from filct.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa11866; 13 Jun 95 10:41 +0100 From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: Mark3M@aol.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Active Matrix screen TRICK! Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 9:53:47 BST Message-Id: <9506130953.aa02168@hipass.filct.com> I was wondering if anyone else noticed that if you push your mouse cursor against the very left corner of the screen in Windows, a single black pixel that trails, appears about 1/2 inch below the cursor on the last column of ... Doesn't happen on my 755CE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 09:20:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09526; Tue, 13 Jun 95 09:20:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24353; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:09:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:09:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24343; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 09:09:47 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id IAA18725 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:09:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 08:09:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199506131309.IAA18725@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: WIn95 and MWave At 03:29 AM 6/13/95 -0400, you wrote: > >Someone last week mentioned they installed Win95 on a 755CE with great >success. I can't seem to get the MWave stuff to work properly ....audio >only works when playing an AVI ...WAV and MIDI players do not work. > >Thanks! > > >Oh yea ..build 347 I think.. > yes, I have all the MWave stuff (avi,wav,midi,modem,telephony,etc) working fine under win95 on my 755CE. i am using build 480 however; win95 became much more useful around builds in the 440ish area, so using such an early build may be your problem. (the most recent build is 490; there is usually a new build released to official beta sites every friday). it automatically installed my win3.1 mwave drivers from my old win3.1 c:\windows directory, and things work fine. --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 10:22:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12863; Tue, 13 Jun 95 10:22:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29091; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:13:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:13:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.incog.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29080; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 10:13:23 -0400 Received: from ale.incog.com by ns.incog.com (8.6.10/94082501) id HAA05950; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:13:51 -0700 Received: by ale.incog.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01788; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:13:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 07:13:05 -0700 From: geoffb@ale.incog.com (Geoffrey Baehr) Message-Id: <9506131413.AA01788@ale.incog.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Subject: Win95 and MWave - fixes X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII There's a bug in the mwave drivers, if you have > 16MB of memory, mwave functions won't work under Win95. Test this out be yanking your expansion memory, if things start to work, you've proved the fault. There's a patch available on Compuserve`s Thinkpad group which fixes this, it also requires that you update all of your mwave code to ver 1.10. It's also a good idea to update the FaxWorks to ver 3.00f too. The mwave patch allocates 2MB of memory for mwave DMA, the problem was a bug in the mwave drivers which couldn't deal with DMA/memory mgmt under '95 correctly. Also, under build 347, Plug n' Play does not see the mwave correctly, under builds > 468 all is well, this makes no difference except that the device manager will list the mwave as an unknown device when probing. Expect a new BIOS (currently in Beta) for TP 755 CE/X/D in about a month which will fix hot dock/undock and some suspend/resume bugs and power bugs. Build 480 of Win95 has just about all features working except the IRDA drivers for the infra-red devices, a minor nit. You still need the mwave patch though. Hope this helps geoff From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 11:48:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17004; Tue, 13 Jun 95 11:48:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06485; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:37:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:37:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06468; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:37:08 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA09268; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:28:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 11:28:42 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: Win95 and MWave - fixes To: Geoffrey Baehr Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506131413.AA01788@ale.incog.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Geoffrey Baehr wrote: > There's a bug in the mwave drivers, if you have > 16MB of memory, mwave > functions won't work under Win95. > > Test this out be yanking your expansion memory, if things start to work, > you've proved the fault. fuck, I have a 16 meg card > There's a patch available on Compuserve`s Thinkpad group which fixes this, > it also requires that you update all of your mwave code to ver 1.10. It's > also a good idea to update the FaxWorks to ver 3.00f too. The mwave patch > allocates 2MB of memory for mwave DMA, the problem was a bug in the mwave > drivers which couldn't deal with DMA/memory mgmt under '95 correctly. *phew* ...cool ...what's the filename? > Also, under build 347, Plug n' Play does not see the mwave correctly, > under builds > 468 all is well, this makes no difference except that > the device manager will list the mwave as an unknown device when probing. > > Expect a new BIOS (currently in Beta) for TP 755 CE/X/D in about a month > which will fix hot dock/undock and some suspend/resume bugs and power > bugs. Yea...the power stuff seems unpredictable... > Build 480 of Win95 has just about all features working except the IRDA > drivers for the infra-red devices, a minor nit. You still need the mwave > patch though. thanks!!!! http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 13 18:04:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11631; Tue, 13 Jun 95 18:04:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06089; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:50:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:50:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06066; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 17:50:29 -0400 Received: from holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27241; Tue, 13 Jun 95 14:50:01 PDT Received: by holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU id OAA01209; Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:49:53 -0700 From: "Robert George" Message-Id: <9506131449.ZM1207@holmes.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 14:49:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Active Matrix screen TRICK!" (Jun 13, 12:55am) References: <950613005526_93766602@aol.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Active Matrix screen TRICK! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 13, 12:55am, wrote: > Subject: Active Matrix screen TRICK! > I was wondering if anyone else noticed that if you push your mouse cursor ... > This seems to happen on almost all active screens regardless of computer > manufacturer as far as I know. Something like 90% of the world's AM LCD panels are made by Toshiba and Sharp. (There is a lot of conjecture whether NEC actually makes its own panels). The Thinkpads use the Toshiba display, btw. The random pixel is probably a minor design flaw in the way the screen rows/columns are addressed. Robert From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 05:03:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15716; Wed, 14 Jun 95 05:03:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14821; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:55:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:55:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from arthur.uchicago.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14810; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 04:55:21 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by arthur.uchicago.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id DAA14588; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 03:55:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 03:55:10 -0500 From: Allen Moy Message-Id: <199506140855.DAA14588@arthur.uchicago.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: upgrading TP755C from DX2/50 to DX4/75 Cc: moy@arthur.uchicago.edu The ThinkPad 755C with an SL enhanced DX2/50 is suppose to be upgradable to a DX4/75. If anyone has done the upgrade by themselves, I would appreciate hearing (please e-mail me) the details of what needs to be done. Thanks in advance. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 08:46:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25757; Wed, 14 Jun 95 08:46:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08119; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:34:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:34:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08108; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:34:00 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA19737; Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:31:31 +0200 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33003; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:32:06 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sLraO-000DOFC; Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:30 MET DST Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:30:19 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: TP 370 In-Reply-To: <199506140855.DAA14588@arthur.uchicago.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, a few days before, you asked me abotu the new TP 370 in germany. So I took my order forms and will give you the Informations I have. IBM ThinkPad 370C, Model 9545-TC2 order nummer: 370TC2L - Intel DX4/75 MHZ, 16 kB internal Cache - 4 MB RAM (I took 12 MB) - 540 MB Hard drive - 3,5 / 1,44 MB floppy drive - 10,4'' TFT Display (VGA, 640x480, 256 colours) - Vesa Local-bus for graphic display - Keyboard with 85 Keys and IBM Trackpoint II (what is the difference between Trackpoint II and III) - PCMCIA Slot (2x Type I/II or 1x Type III) - serial - parallel - mouse / external keyboard - external vga-Display - Trackpoint II (?) - NiMH accu has power for 2,9 - 8,0 hours. - weight: 2,9 kg - Operating System DOS 7.0, Windows 3.11 - Software: IBM PC Card Director, Disc Factory, Video for Windows 1.1 Runtime, OAG Flightdisk, Triton CoSession Host, Lotus Organizer 1.12, Lotus cc:Mail mobile, Lotus ScreenCam1.0, e-Mail for IBM Global Network. That's all. C U, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK email: wagner@www.bid.fh-hannover.de URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ IRC: Rince (usually on #germany or #muenster or #braunschweig) "This is also a story about sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In. Well... ...one out of three ain't bad." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 12:34:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11072; Wed, 14 Jun 95 12:34:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25658; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:25:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:25:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bnr.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25631; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:25:18 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 12:24:25 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:40:10 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:39:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:39:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1688786/g=rob/i=wrl/s=dickson/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.890:14.05.95.15.40.10] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: IBM Thinkpad ... From: "rob (w.r.l.) dickson" Sender: "rob (w.r.l.) dickson" Message-Id: <"27891 Wed Jun 14 11:40:13 1995"@bnr.ca> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBM Thinkpad Mailing List Hello: Can you please add me to the mailing list for IBM Thinkpads. I own a 360Cs, and am interested in being informed of forsales and other information. Thanks in advance, Cheers, Rob +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rob Dickson | Bell-Northern Research | | FiberWorld OPC Network Applications | Mail Stop 182, Skyline | | Phone: (613) 763-4128 | P.O Box 3511, Station C | | FAX: (613) 765-4309 | Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA | | Internet: dickson@bnr.ca | K1Y 4H7 | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 14:05:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15070; Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:05:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00365; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:54:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:54:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00352; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:54:16 -0400 Received: from lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (lucs-03.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.9.5]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA22786 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:54:06 +0100 Received: from LUCS-03/SpoolDir by lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jun 95 18:54:57 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-03 (Mercury 1.21); 14 Jun 95 18:54:37 GMT From: "O. MARTIN" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:54:36 GMT Subject: X Windows on a double scan Thinkpad Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <1A1F11E6319@lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Hello, I am desperately trying to run X Windows (X Free 86) with Linux on my TP 360 Cs. This machine has a double scan screen and I think that this does not work with X. Has anyone managed with this problem before ? Thank you for any help. Olivier (please answer at eraom@scs.leeds.ac.uk) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 14:08:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15251; Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:08:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00559; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:56:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:56:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00548; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:55:58 -0400 From: Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA122922492; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:54:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:54:52 -0400 Message-Id: <950614135451_94791785@aol.com> To: moy@math.uchicago.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: moy@arthur.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: upgrading TP755C from DX2/50 to DX4/75 Please pass the upgrade news to me as well. Thanks. Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 14:08:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15253; Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:08:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00614; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:57:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:57:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00602; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:57:30 -0400 Received: from scunix4.harvard.edu by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:01:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199506141701.NAA03000@husc.harvard.edu> Received: from fas.harvard.edu by scunix4.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22411; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:01:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:01:57 -0400 X-Sender: chan4@scunix3.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Allen Moy From: chan4@husc.harvard.edu (Derek V. Chan) Subject: Re: upgrading TP755C from DX2/50 to DX4/75 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: >The ThinkPad 755C with an SL enhanced DX2/50 is suppose to be upgradable >to a DX4/75. If anyone has done the upgrade by themselves, I would >appreciate hearing (please e-mail me) the details of what needs to be done. > >Thanks in advance. > Wait a minute! SL enhanced??? Is this the same kind of processor in the 750c? If so, then why isn't the 750c upgradable to the DX4? I called this place (PCS) and they said the 750c wasn't upgradable because of pin incompatibilities, but that the 755 family was. What gives? -- "Dear Jim. . . IBM has been interested for some time in pursuing a business combination with Lotus. Because you have been unwilling to proceed with such a transaction, we are announcing this morning our intention to buy all of Lotus Development Corporation's outstanding common shares. . ." -- Louis V. Gerstner 6/5/95 Derek V. Chan dvchan@netcom.com chan4@fas.harvard.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 14:51:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17934; Wed, 14 Jun 95 14:51:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05554; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:43:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:43:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.eecs.wsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05543; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:43:56 -0400 Received: from wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu by dns1.eecs.wsu.edu (8.6.10/8.940801) id LAA24486; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:43:39 -0700 From: "John C. Hart" Received: by wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu (931110.SGI) id AA15691; Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:43:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 11:43:38 -0700 Message-Id: <9506141843.AA15691@wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu> To: eraom@scs.leeds.ac.uk, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: X Windows on a double scan Thinkpad >I am desperately trying to run X Windows (X Free 86) with Linux on my >TP 360 Cs. >This machine has a double scan screen and I think that this does not >work with X. This fixed the problem for me, thanks to Michael Steiner: *** lib/Server/drivers/vga256/pvga1/driver.c Wed Jun 22 15:49:40 1994 --- lib/Server/drivers/vga256/pvga1/driver.c.orig Tue Jun 7 23:03:36 1994 *************** *** 134,142 **** #define IS_WD90C3X(x) (((x) == WD90C30) || ((x) == WD90C31)) ! /*!! commented by sti */ ! /* #undef DO_WD90C20 */ ! #define DO_WD90C20 static unsigned PVGA1_ExtPorts[] = { /* extra ports for WD90C31 */ 0x23C0, 0x23C1, 0x23C2, 0x23C3, 0x23C4, 0x23C5 }; --- 134,140 ---- #define IS_WD90C3X(x) (((x) == WD90C30) || ((x) == WD90C31)) ! #undef DO_WD90C20 static unsigned PVGA1_ExtPorts[] = { /* extra ports for WD90C31 */ 0x23C0, 0x23C1, 0x23C2, 0x23C3, 0x23C4, 0x23C5 }; *************** *** 383,400 **** if (!vga256InfoRec.videoRam) { unsigned char config; ! #ifdef DUAL_SCAN ! /* check if we have a dual-scan LCD */ ! outb(vgaIOBase + 4, 0x31); ! if ((inb(vgaIOBase + 5) & 0x3) == 0) { ! /* clear bit 6 to disable upper 512k The remaining 512Kbytes ! of video memory are not disabled by clearing the bit, but it ! is actually used as a shadow of first 512Kbyte */ ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); config = inb(0x3CF); ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); outb(0x3CF, config & 0xAF); ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); config = inb(0x3CF); ! } ! #endif switch(config & 0xC0) { case 0x00: case 0x40: --- 381,388 ---- if (!vga256InfoRec.videoRam) { unsigned char config; ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); config = inb(0x3CF); ! switch(config & 0xC0) { case 0x00: case 0x40: -- This and other good info is available on the Linux for Thinkpads Web page: http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html -John --- John C. Hart, Asst. Prof. School of EECS, Wash. St. Univ. Pullman, WA 99164-2752 (509)335-2343 fax:(509)335-3818 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 16:16:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23142; Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:16:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13144; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:07:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:07:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13127; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:07:01 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA30473 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:03:54 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506141903.OAA30473@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: 486SL vs 486DX SL-enhanced To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 14:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The ThinkPad 755C with an SL enhanced DX2/50 is suppose to be upgradable > > Wait a minute! SL enhanced??? Is this the same kind of processor in the > 750c? If so, then why isn't the 750c upgradable to the DX4? I called this The SL enhanced is not the same as the chip in the TP750 series. The TP750 has a 486SL, not a 486DX with SL-enhancement. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 16:51:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25355; Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:51:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16148; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:41:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:41:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16132; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:41:17 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA29405; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 15:41:11 -0500 Message-Id: <9506142041.AA29405@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 16:42:40 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: upgrading TP755C from DX2/50 to DX4/75 >>The ThinkPad 755C with an SL enhanced DX2/50 is suppose to be upgradable >>to a DX4/75. If anyone has done the upgrade by themselves, I would >>appreciate hearing (please e-mail me) the details of what needs to be done. > >Wait a minute! SL enhanced??? Is this the same kind of processor in the >750c? If so, then why isn't the 750c upgradable to the DX4? I called this >place (PCS) and they said the 750c wasn't upgradable because of pin >incompatibilities, but that the 755 family was. What gives? The 750 was one of the last notebooks to use a real Intel 486SL. The SL series had many power saving features, as well as certain motherboard circuitry built in, all in the name of saving power. Eventually, Intel decided that the power savings wasn't all that great and they'd be better off keeping the same dies and working in other ways to save power. The result is the "SL-enhanced" series, which are basically low voltage 486SX/# and 486DX/# chips. The latter are pin-compatible with their desktop cousins (as well as themselves) and are upgradable. The 486SL only came in 25MHz and 33 MHz versions and were discontinued before Intel came up with the idea of clock doubling. The 750 series processor isn't upgradable. Everything from the 755 on is (unless the design has the CPU soldered in or something). _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 18:08:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00358; Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:08:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22071; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:57:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:57:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22059; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 17:57:25 -0400 From: Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA149667041; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:57:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199506142157.AA149667041@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: Dualscan.faq To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:57:21 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text This is a preliminary HOW-TO on getting XWindows to run on a Thinkpad dualscan model. I had NOTHING to do with the writing of the programs mentioned. I have only successfully implemented them. These are my procedures and results. Thanks to Michael Steiner for Tpdualscan, and thanks to whoever put his/her XF86Config on the Thinkpad web page. I used it as a model. login is root. Copy the XF86Config file to your /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/ directory. copy tpdualscan.c to /usr/X11/bin run 'make tpdualscan' run 'tpdualscan -d' make sure you have a .xinitrc working. if not, or you're unfamiliar with this file check the man page. run 'startx' if your screen looks jumbled, hit Fn-F7 to clear it. I usually get the famous doubled image the first time I load up X. so I quit, and rerun tpdualscan and the second time it usually works. note: when you quit, you may get the graphic error thingy again. hit Fn-F7 to fix that too. For future use, you will need to run 'tpdualscan -d' as root before running xwindows. right now, I login normally, then on another terminal(say, ALT-F2) as root. run tpdualscan, then startx, then quit, then tpdualscan again, and then logout. then from my first login(say back to ALT-F1), I run startx. works fine, but I'd like to simplify it. XF86Config # $XConsortium: XF86Conf.cpp,v 1.5 95/01/16 13:16:10 kaleb Exp $ # $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/XF86Conf.cpp,v 3.11 1995/01/28 15:46:18 dawes Exp $ # # Copyright (c) 1994 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. This man page is installed as /usr/X11R6/man/man5/XF86Config.5x # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. # DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. # DontZoom EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line # Protocol "Xqueue" AutoRepeat 500 5 # Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be required # when using pre-R6 clients # ServerNumLock # Specifiy which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Xleds 1 2 3 # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: # LeftAlt Meta # RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose # ScrollLock ModeLock EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/psaux" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice # Emulate3Buttons # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" # Bandwidth is in MHz unless units are specified # Bandwidth 25.2 # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. # HorizSync 31.5 # typical for a single frequency fixed-sync monitor HorizSync 20-40 # typical for a single frequency fixed-sync monitor # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. # VertRefresh 60 # typical for a single frequency fixed-sync monitor VertRefresh 60-70 # typical for a single frequency fixed-sync monitor # VertRefresh 50-100 # multisync # VertRefresh 60, 65 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # VertRefresh 40-50, 80-100 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or # a multi-line format. # A generic VGA 640x480 mode (hsync = 31.5kHz, refresh = 60Hz) # These two are equivalent ModeLine "640x480" 28.3 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # Mode "640x480" # DotClock 25.175 # HTimings 640 664 760 800 # VTimings 480 491 493 525 # EndMode # These two are equivalent # ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # Mode "1024x768i" # DotClock 45 # HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264 # VTimings 768 776 784 817 # Flags "Interlace" # EndMode EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Section "Device" # Identifier "Generic VGA" # VendorName "Unknown" # BoardName "Unknown" # Chipset "generic" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 # EndSection Section "Device" # SVGA server auto-detected chipset Identifier "Generic SVGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" VideoRam 512 Chipset "wd90c31" EndSection # Section "Device" # Identifier "Any Trident TVGA 9000" # VendorName "Trident" # BoardName "TVGA 9000" # Chipset "tvga9000" # VideoRam 512 # Clocks 25 28 45 36 57 65 50 40 25 28 0 45 72 77 80 75 # EndSection # Section "Device" # Identifier "Actix GE32+ 2MB" # VendorName "Actix" # BoardName "GE32+" # Ramdac "ATT20C490" # Dacspeed 110 # Option "dac_8_bit" # Clocks 25.0 28.0 40.0 0.0 50.0 77.0 36.0 45.0 # Clocks 130.0 120.0 80.0 31.0 110.0 65.0 75.0 94.0 # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # The colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "Generic SVGA" Monitor "Generic Monitor" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 768 682 EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-colour VGA server # Section "Screen" # Driver "vga16" # Device "Generic VGA" # Monitor "Generic Monitor" # Subsection "Display" # Modes "640x480" # ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 800 600 # EndSubsection # EndSection # The Mono server # Section "Screen" # Driver "vga2" # Device "Generic VGA" # Monitor "Generic Monitor" # Subsection "Display" # Modes "640x480" # ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 800 600 # EndSubsection # EndSection # The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514, P9000, AGX, W32) # Section "Screen" # Driver "accel" # Device "Actix GE32+ 2MB" # Monitor "Generic Monitor" # Subsection "Display" # Depth 8 # Modes "640x480" # ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 1280 1024 # EndSubsection # SubSection "Display" # Depth 16 # Weight 565 # Modes "640x480" # ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 1024 768 # EndSubsection # EndSection Tpdualscan.c /* T P D U A L S C A N . C Author: Michael Steiner http://www.zurich.ibm.com/pub/sti/www/info.html This program allows you to set videoram for dualscan equipped thinkpads (at least for the 750Cs but probably also for others) to allow running XFree86 without patching it. (normally you got all twice if the upper 512K of videoram are not disabled) */ #define PROGNAME "tpdualscan" #include #include #include /* the prototypes for helper routines (freely adapted from Xfree86 */ static __inline__ void outb(short port, char val); static __inline__ unsigned int inb(short port); void EnableIOPorts(int num_ioports, unsigned *io_ports); void DisableIOPorts(int num_ioports, unsigned *io_ports); /* define IO ports for vga and pvga (we probably don't need all but why bother ..) */ unsigned PVGA_IOPorts[] = { /* normal vga ports */ 0x3B4, 0x3B5, 0x3BA, 0x3C0, 0x3C1, 0x3C2, 0x3C4, 0x3C5, 0x3C6, 0x3C7, 0x3C8, 0x3C9, 0x3CA, 0x3CB, 0x3CC, 0x3CE, 0x3CF, 0x3D4, 0x3D5, 0x3DA, /* extra ports for WD90C31 */ 0x23C0, 0x23C1, 0x23C2, 0x23C3, 0x23C4, 0x23C5 }; int Num_PVGA_IOPorts = (sizeof(PVGA_IOPorts)/sizeof(PVGA_IOPorts[0])); char usage[] = "usage: "PROGNAME"(-d(isable) | -e(nable) | -s(tatus))"; void main (int argc, char *argv[]) { unsigned long vgaIOBase; int colorEmulation, dualScan; enum {enable, disable, status} mode = status; unsigned char registr; /* ugly but register was already taken .. */ /* parse command line */ if ((argc > 2) || ((argc == 2) && (argv[1][0] != '-'))){ fprintf(stderr, "%s\n", usage); exit(1); } if (argc == 2) { switch (argv[1][1]) { case 'h': printf("%s\ndisable/enable upper 512K of VRAM for dual-scan thinkpads\n", usage); exit(0); case 'd': /* disable */ mode = disable; break; case 'e': /* enable */ mode = enable; break; case 's': /* status */ mode = status; break; default: fprintf(stderr, "invalid option %c\n%s\n", argv[1][1], usage); exit(1); } } /* enable VGA and WD ports */ EnableIOPorts(Num_PVGA_IOPorts, PVGA_IOPorts); /* set vga IO base depend from color mode */ colorEmulation = inb(0x3CC) & 0x01; if (!colorEmulation) { fprintf(stderr, "you are not running a dual scan thinkpad \n"); exit(1); } vgaIOBase = (colorEmulation) ? 0x3D0 : 0x3B0; /* unlock flat panel registers PR18, PR19, PR!a, PR36-PR41 and PR44 */ outb(vgaIOBase + 4, 0x34); /* PR1B */ registr = inb(vgaIOBase + 5); outb(vgaIOBase + 5, ((registr & 0x1F) | 0xA0)); /* set bits 5-7 to 101 */ /* check if we have a dual-scan LCD */ outb(vgaIOBase + 4, 0x31); dualScan = ((inb(vgaIOBase + 5) & 0xB) == 0); /* dualScan == (PR18[bit:3,1,0] = 0) */ if (!dualScan) { fprintf(stderr, "you are not running a dual scan thinkpad \n"); exit(1); } /* clear bit 6 to disable upper 512k The remaining 512Kbytes of video memory are not disabled by clearing the bit, but it is actually used as a shadow of first 512Kbyte */ outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); registr = inb(0x3CF); /* PR1 */ if (mode == disable) { printf("setting vramsize to 512K\n"); outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); outb(0x3CF, registr & 0xBF); /* enable 512 */ } else if (mode == enable) { printf("setting vramsize to 1024K\n"); outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); outb(0x3CF, registr | 0xC0); /* enable 1024 */ } else { printf("current vramsize is %dK\n", ( (registr & 0x40) ? 1024 : 512)); } /* cleanup */ /* lock flat panel registers PR18, PR19, PR!a, PR36-PR41 and PR44 */ outb(vgaIOBase + 4, 0x34); /* PR1B */ registr = inb(vgaIOBase + 5); outb(vgaIOBase + 5, (registr & 0x1F)); /* set bits 5-7 to other than 101 */ /* enable VGA and WD ports */ DisableIOPorts(Num_PVGA_IOPorts, PVGA_IOPorts); } /* helper functions (originaly borrowed from XFree86 but stripped unnecessary stuf) f*/ void EnableIOPorts(int num_ioports, unsigned *io_ports) { int i; if (iopl(3) != 0) { /* for ports > 3FF */ fprintf(stderr, "%s: Failed to raise I/O privileges to 3 (%s)\n", PROGNAME, strerror(errno)); } for (i = 0; i < num_ioports; i++) { unsigned port = io_ports[i]; if (port > 0x3FF) continue; if (ioperm(port, 1, 1) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: Failed to enable I/O port 0x%x (%s)\n", PROGNAME, port, strerror(errno)); exit(1); } } return; } void DisableIOPorts(int num_ioports, unsigned *io_ports) { int i; if (iopl(0) != 0) { /* for ports > 3FF */ fprintf(stderr, "%s: Failed to lower I/O privileges to 0 (%s)\n", PROGNAME, strerror(errno)); } for (i = 0; i < num_ioports; i++) { unsigned port = io_ports[i]; if (port > 0x3FF) continue; if (ioperm(port, 1, 0) < 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%s: Failed to disable I/O port 0x%x (%s)\n", PROGNAME, port, strerror(errno)); } } return; } static __inline__ void outb(port, val) short port; char val; { __asm__ __volatile__("out%B0 (%1)" : :"a" (val), "d" (port)); } static __inline__ unsigned int inb(port) short port; { unsigned char ret; __asm__ __volatile__("in%B0 (%1)" : "=a" (ret) : "d" (port)); return ret; } That's it folks. Good luck. send me corrections at conrada-b@nwu.edu. BUT I AM NOT TECHNICAL SUPPORT. PLEASE REREAD THE MATERIAL, AND THE APPROPRIATE FAQs AND HOWTOs BEFORE ASKING ME QUESTIONS. I figured out how to use this stuff, so I'm sure you can too. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 14 20:04:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09787; Wed, 14 Jun 95 20:04:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28265; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:56:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:56:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from convex.convex.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28254; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 19:56:08 -0400 Received: from dhostwo by convex.convex.com (8.6.4.2/1.35) id SAA15460; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:55:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by dhostwo (8.6.4/1.28) id SAA00123; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 18:55:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199506142355.SAA00123@dhostwo> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: thinkpad 500 mailing list? Date: Wed, 14 Jun 95 18:55:30 CDT From: Brian Bianchi is there a mailing list for thinkpad 500 users? how about a faq for thinkpad users? thanks, brian From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 00:31:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22200; Thu, 15 Jun 95 00:31:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15064; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:24:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:24:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms1.cc.uop.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15054; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:24:38 -0400 Received: by vms1.cc.uop.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 6; Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:24:31 PST Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:24:30 PST From: JOHNNY Reply-To: ggomez@vms1.cc.uop.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <00991E25.B33C7A9A.6@vms1.cc.uop.edu> Subject: mailing list? Hi, i was wondering if this is the mailing list for thinkpads. Someone posted a message and i was wondering if i may be added to this list. I appreciate and help that you can give me . thasnk john From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 18:16:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24192; Thu, 15 Jun 95 18:16:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20435; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:01:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:01:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from millenium.texas.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20423; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:01:02 -0400 Received: from dnet046.sat.texas.net (dnet046.sat.texas.net [204.96.23.46]) by millenium.texas.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA01309 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:00:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 17:00:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199506152200.RAA01309@millenium.texas.net> X-Sender: itplns3@texas.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: itplns3@texas.net (Ed Holub) Subject: re: TP 370 >Hi, >a few days before, you asked me abotu the new TP 370 in germany. >So I took my order forms and will give you the Informations I have. > >IBM ThinkPad 370C, Model 9545-TC2 >order nummer: 370TC2L > >- Intel DX4/75 MHZ, 16 kB internal Cache Thanks for the info. In the meantime I asked our IBM Sales Rep and she said that the 370 was not going to be introduced in the U.S. She indicated another model number (possibly 365) will be the U.S. replacement for the 360 line. Ed From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 18:55:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25989; Thu, 15 Jun 95 18:55:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22350; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:45:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:45:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22340; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:45:47 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA26957 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:45:34 -0700 Message-Id: <199506152245.PAA26957@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:45:32 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: ibm 800 helpline thing? Does anyone have the number handy? I've never had to call it, but my battery has died.. ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 19:22:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27670; Thu, 15 Jun 95 19:22:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23128; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:14:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:14:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23118; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:14:54 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA01035; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:14:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199506152314.QAA01035@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@slip.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:14:52 -0700 To: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Subject: Re: ibm 800 helpline thing? At 03:45 PM 6/15/95 -0700, jesse montrose wrote: >Does anyone have the number handy? I've never had to call it, but my >battery has died.. Someone very quick sent it to me :) ____________________________________________________________________ http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 20:07:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00217; Thu, 15 Jun 95 20:07:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24091; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:57:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:57:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hoover.stanford.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24080; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 19:56:59 -0400 Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8660) id <01HRQQB7OMVK00COLP@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 16:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Problem with FAXWORKS To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HRQQB7R1OI00COLP@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have a 755 CE. MWAVE has been upgraded to operate a class II fax (Delrina). The program works. The FAXWORKS program, Version 3.0, preloaded on the machine, no longer works. When I send a fax the following message appears on the screen: "FAX TIF error, cannot open the TIFF file." Does anyone know what might be wrong, and how to correct it? I leave for Vienna on Tuesday, and need to use the FAXWORKS program while I am there. Desperate at Stanford University, and also very appreciative, in advance. Dennis Th From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 21:46:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09138; Thu, 15 Jun 95 21:46:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29396; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:34:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:34:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asylum.sf.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29383; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:34:30 -0400 Received: (from lang@localhost) by asylum.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA08400; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:34:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:34:24 -0400 From: Lang Zerner Message-Id: <199506160134.VAA08400@asylum.sf.ca.us> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: tp750-request@CS.UTK.EDU's message of Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:24:20 -0400 <199506160024.UAA25539@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: New member Reply-To: Lang Zerner Hi-- I'm a new member on the tp750 list. I am a consultant based in San Francisco, and my specialty is communication technology. The "welcome to the list" message sez: >Tell us what kind of machine you have, how it's configured (how much >memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), and what operating system(s)... I've finally bought my dream machine: a ThinkPad 755CD with 40MB RAM, 810MB disk, Dock II (just arrived), and Pentium upgrade (still backordered). I've been running Microsoft Windows, primarily. Although I used to be an OS/2 enthusiast when 2.0 and 2.1 were current, and even though 3.0 is a great improvement over 2.x, most of my apps are not available under OS/2, and OS/2's Windows compatibility is not sufficient for my needs. I'll probably take OS/2 off the disk as soon as I get around to building the installation disks, just in case I want it back later. Meanwhile, I've just installed Microsoft's Windows 95 "final beta" release and I've been pretty pleased with it so far. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find mWave DSP drivers for Windows 95. IBM tech support will neither confirm nor deny IBM's plans in this area. Anyone here have any pointers that could help me to use the mWave audio and/or telephony features under Windows 95? In general, how solidly does IBM stand behind development for the mWave DSP? For example, the 28.8Kbps V.34 modem standard has been on the market for quite a while now, and as far as I can tell IBM has not uttered a sound regarding their plans to implement V.34 for the mWave. Does anyone know of a good source of mWave news? That's all for now. I love my new ThinkPad and am looking forward to hearing >from you all. Be seeing you... --Lang From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 22:18:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10405; Thu, 15 Jun 95 22:18:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00794; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:10:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:10:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00782; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:09:44 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id KAA30299; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:06:28 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506160206.KAA30299@baijuyi> Subject: Re: New member <-- mwave news To: lang@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 10:06:28 +0800 (WAUST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506160134.VAA08400@asylum.sf.ca.us> from "Lang Zerner" at Jun 15, 95 09:34:24 pm Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Lang Zerner writes, ` Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:34:24 -0400 ` ` their plans to implement V.34 for the mWave. Does anyone know of a good ` source of mWave news? Try http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/ the "Mwave at Watson" web site, if you've not looked there yet. Cheers. ____________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 15 23:40:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14312; Thu, 15 Jun 95 23:40:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05332; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:32:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:32:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05322; Thu, 15 Jun 1995 23:32:20 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0sMS8X-000DzQC; Thu, 15 Jun 95 20:32 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: New member To: lang@asylum.sf.ca.us Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 20:32:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506160134.VAA08400@asylum.sf.ca.us> from "Lang Zerner" at Jun 15, 95 09:34:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > Meanwhile, I've just installed Microsoft's Windows 95 "final beta" release and > I've been pretty pleased with it so far. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find > mWave DSP drivers for Windows 95. IBM tech support will neither confirm nor > deny IBM's plans in this area. Anyone here have any pointers that could help > me to use the mWave audio and/or telephony features under Windows 95? I'm using my 755CD with the newest build of Windows 95 (490C) with full mWave capability.... I upgraded over an existing Windows installation, and didn't have to do much to get the Mwave features working. It is interesting to note that this particular beta release of Windows 95 has a "ThinkPad MWave 28800 Modem" as one of its device entries. Is anyone aware of 28800bps drivers for the ThinkPad modem? -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 16 01:54:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20314; Fri, 16 Jun 95 01:54:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10770; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:41:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:41:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10760; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:41:16 -0400 Received: from violin-19.synapse.net (violin-19.synapse.net [199.84.52.219]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.4/8.7.Beta.3) with SMTP id BAA11760 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506160541.BAA11760@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 01:43:16 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: Thinkad Mailing List I understand that you provide a mailing list for Thinkpad users. Can you provide further info? Thanks in advance... patrick ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 16 12:26:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23405; Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:26:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20627; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:05:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:05:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20611; Fri, 16 Jun 1995 12:05:30 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0320; Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:06:33 -0400 Message-Id: <9506161606.AA0320@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 04BA71A874D32377852561DD0056B9B1; Fri, 16 Jun 95 12:06:32 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 16 Jun 95 12:04:13 Subject: Re: sound from CD-ROM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain From: stevens @ elab.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens) @ INET well, I went out and bought one of those Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM drives. The setup was real easy, and I am now able to run CD-ROM software. However, I can't seem to get the thing to play any sounds through my TP750C audio chip. Is this supported? As per Panasonic's suggestion, I installed "[MCI] CD Audio" in my windows, to no avail. Andy-- You can't play audio internally on a PCMCIA CD ROM drive. The internal data is digital information on a digital signal. CD Audio is digital information on an analog signal (that little 4-wire cable that runs from internal CD ROMs to sound cards). You'll only get audio from the headphone jack or an auxiliary output on the CD ROM drive. The headphone jack will be amplified, so if you want to run a cable from there to an audio input, as someone suggested, you'll have to turn the volume on the drive almost all the way down & use the software volume control only (you may still lose some sound quality). If your CD ROM drive has an auxiliary output, it will not be amplified & can go to any amplifier, ie. a stereo, your Thinkpad's audio input jack, or amplified speakers. In any case you can still use CD Audio software to make it spin. If you get no response from the software, ie. Windows Media Player doesn't give you a CD Audio option, remove the CD Audio driver from Control Panel, restart Windows & then reinstall the CD Audio driver with a CD in the drive. Sorry this response is late coming. I haven't had the time to look at the list this week. Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. "I god guts, no more braims." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jun 18 21:43:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23540; Sun, 18 Jun 95 21:43:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26542; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:24:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:24:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26532; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 21:24:22 -0400 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id UAA15455; Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:23:31 -0500 From: travism@netcom.com (Travis M) Message-Id: <199506190123.UAA15455@netcom2.netcom.com> Subject: digest version of mailing list available? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 18 Jun 1995 20:23:31 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to receive this mailing list in a digest form (one big message once a week/night/etc) if possible. I couldn't find any info on this from the mailer (majordomo) Please advise. -- travism@netcom.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 11:03:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06772; Mon, 19 Jun 95 11:03:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19385; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:46:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:46:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19375; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:46:02 -0400 Received: from violin-02.synapse.net (violin-02.synapse.net [199.84.52.236]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.Beta.5/8.7.Beta.5) with SMTP id KAA13288 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199506191445.KAA13288@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: User Profile As requested, here is a quick profile of myself and why I wanted to join this list. I recently sold my TP720C which I owned for about two years. While I had a TP755CD in my hands as its replacement, I decided to wait for the 755CX. Hopefully I won't regret it but I figured I needed the power more than the ability to play CD ROM games. When I get that machine, I'll give you an update on it configuration. Right now, I'm borrowing a 755CE and I love it. Thinner and lighter than my 720C, this was another reason why I decided to wait for the 755CX. The thickness and weight of the 755CE spoiled me. This machine is configured with the standard 540MB hard drive. My client uses this machine with DOS/Windows so I don't really have any other choice. It does have 16 MB of RAM and 3COM PCMCIA Ethernet Card. Overall a gorgeous machine but my fingers are itching for the CX. Thanks for lending me your ears. Cheers... patrick ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 11:24:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08186; Mon, 19 Jun 95 11:24:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21556; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:12:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:12:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21536; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:12:42 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA18716 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:12:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:12:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199506191512.KAA18716@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: New member At 09:34 PM 6/15/95 -0400, you wrote: >I've finally bought my dream machine: a ThinkPad 755CD with 40MB RAM, 810MB >disk, Dock II (just arrived), and Pentium upgrade (still backordered). drool! >Meanwhile, I've just installed Microsoft's Windows 95 "final beta" release and >I've been pretty pleased with it so far. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find >mWave DSP drivers for Windows 95. IBM tech support will neither confirm nor >deny IBM's plans in this area. Anyone here have any pointers that could help >me to use the mWave audio and/or telephony features under Windows 95? > my experience: I am using build 480 (and have a friend using build 490). both of us have no problem with win95 and mwave. the trick: install win95 "on top of" your existing windows installation. win95 setup will then use you 16bit windows 3.1 mwave drivers (they work fine under win95). >In general, how solidly does IBM stand behind development for the mWave DSP? >For example, the 28.8Kbps V.34 modem standard has been on the market for quite >a while now, and as far as I can tell IBM has not uttered a sound regarding >their plans to implement V.34 for the mWave. Does anyone know of a good >source of mWave news? > yes, they have uttered a sound. in fact, they have officially announced a 28.8 modem software for mWave. i think it was supposed to be ready back in may. rumor mills have said to expect it instead in june (i.e. this month!). i expect to see it any week now. check out URL http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/ on the web for all the official mWave news. >That's all for now. I love my new ThinkPad and am looking forward to hearing >from you all. > >Be seeing you... >--Lang > nice meeting you, hope you enjoy this email list.... (i have found it to be excellent), Todd =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Tannenbaum email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Director of the Model Advanced Facility voice phone: (608) 262-3118 Computer-Aided Engineering Center FAX phone: (608) 265-4546 University of Wisconsin-Madison From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:05:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13590; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:05:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29559; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:52:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:52:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bnr.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29517; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:52:34 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:51:33 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:30:10 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:29:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:29:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1688786/g=rob/i=wrl/s=dickson/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars735.b.214:19.05.95.16.30.10] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: How to instal... From: "rob (w.r.l.) dickson" Sender: "rob (w.r.l.) dickson" Message-Id: <"4244 Mon Jun 19 12:30:18 1995"@bnr.ca> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: How to install new drivers for 360Cs Good day: Well, I have seen several references to new versions of drivers for the thinkpads (including my TP360Cs) being available at ftp.pcco.ibm.com, so I picked them up yesterday. However, I am unsure of how/where to install the new drivers (didn't see anything about this in the FAQ or the archives). Maybe I'm out to lunch here, but can anyone tell me what I should be doing with these. Also, I wonder whether the new drivers will clear up the problems I am seeing when entering suspend or hibernate mode while using my Zoltrix 14.4 PCMCIA fax/modem. While running on battery, both suspend and hibernate will cause the system to hang. On AC, suspend is okay, but the system hangs after coming back from hibernation. This seems to happen both in DOS and in Windows. While I'm in question-asking mode, does anyone have experience with the Zoltrix PCMCIA modems. The unit seems to work okay (expect the problem noted above) and the 5-year warranty is attractive, but are there any other things I should know? Cheers, Rob +---------------------------+ | Rob Dickson | DISCLAIMER - The contents of this | Bell-Northern Research | article are the sole responsibility | Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA | of myself, and in no way represent | Phone: (613) 763-4128 | my employer, Bell-Northern Research. | FAX: (613) 765-4309 | | dickson@bnr.ca | +---------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:25:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14672; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:25:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00995; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:14:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:14:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00980; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:14:01 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA04240 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:13:58 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47863; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:14:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:14:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PC expo Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hope some of you will be at the PC expo in NY at the Javitz Center. I'm going there tuesday and Wednesday (one day to pick up pamphlets and one day to actually look at things). So I'll review what these new thinkpad's are like and any other cool things. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:25:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14677; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:25:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00562; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00546; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:21 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA03827 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:16 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA43582; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PowerPC thinkpad's Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I wonder how hot this machine gets when it's on :) IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 and Supporting Options Provides Premium Power for Mobile Users Announced on June 19, 1995 HARDWARE Announcement 195-178 In Brief . . . IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850, the highest performance, full-function member of IBM's ThinkPad family, provides your mobile workforce with: o Award-winning design o Multimedia-ready system with 16-bit audio, CD-ROM drive, video playback stereo speakers and microphone all built-in o Fast PowerPC 603e 100MHz microprocessor with 32KB Level 1 cache, floating-point unit and power management for advanced application support o 256KB Level 2 cache that reduces memory access time o Memory expansion to 96MB o Large 10.4-inch diagonal high resolution SVGA (800x600) or VGA (640x480) Black Matrix TFT color display o PCI G10 local-bus graphics with motion video standard for enhanced performance o Up to 1.2GB of storage o Choice of 32-bit advanced multitasking operating systems ---------------------------------------- With the body of a ThinkPad(R) and the soul of a PowerPC(TM), the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850(TM) allows you to carry collaborative and conversational computing wherever you go. This premium-function mobile product extends IBM's ThinkPad family, with advanced features and blazing performance provided by its PowerPC 603e(TM) 100MHz processor. All models of IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 take mobile productivity one step further by offering a standard G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter for video I/O, a snap-in video camera option, and voice-over-data capability using standard modems, plus the floating point unit of the PowerPC 603e. Imagine having video conferences >from your hotel room! These features, plus additional built-in functions like a multisession CD-ROM, and audio I/O with microphone and stereo speakers, provide a system that is ideal for advanced collaboration and multimedia applications. Combine these features with those that have made the ThinkPad world-class -- brilliant active matrix 800x600 Black Matrix displays, the TrackPoint(R) III pointing device, PCMCIA expandability, and user-removable 1.2GB hard disk drives, and you have a product that is ready for your applications today and in the future. All this capability is wrapped in an award-winning, sleek, eight-pound system that meets the requirements for U.S. Energy Star compliance. You can order your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 with the supported 32-bit operating system of your choice installed on its hard disk, or you can purchase the operating system separately to fully customize your system. Supported operating systems include: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows+ NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) o IBM OS/2(R) Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) when available o Solaris** (PowerPC Edition) when available Personal Conferencing for AIX(R) is provided with all AIX models. Price: Prices starting at $6,699 Planned Availability Dates o Systems without operating systems July 24, 1995 o Systems with IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients (U.S. English) July 24, 1995 o Systems with Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) (U.S. English) July 24, 1995 o Systems with 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive and 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive option August 29, 1995 Note: For other national languages supported by the operating systems, please see their respective announcement letters for availability dates: o IBM AIX Version 4.1.3 (Software Announcement 295-268) o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (Software Announcement 295-267) o Preview: IBM Extends OS/2 to PowerPC Platform (Software Announcement 295-265) (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation DESCRIPTION Supporting Options The following features and options are being announced to support the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 System: o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 Video Camera o IBM ThinkPad Power Series SCSI-2 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive o IBM ThinkPad Power Series SCSI-2 540MB Hard Disk Drive o IBM ThinkPad Power Series SCSI-2 810MB Hard Disk Drive o IBM ThinkPad Power Series AC Adapter (50W) o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 NiMH Battery Pack o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 Quick Charger o Personal Conferencing for AIX o IBM Black Three Button Mouse System Strengths The strengths of the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850: o New generation PowerPC technology -- fast PowerPC 603e 100MHz microprocessor with integrated: - 32KB cache - Floating-point unit - Power management o 256KB Level 2 cache o 64-bit memory controller o Large standard memory 16MB or 32MB (expandable to 80MB or 96MB) o PCI local bus G10 graphics with motion video o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 Video Camera option o Integrated 16-bit business audio o Built-in microphone and stereo speakers o High-capacity, SCSI-2, user removable hard files (540MB, 810MB, or 1.2GB) o Built-in CD-ROM (user removable and exchangable with diskette drive) o External 3.5-inch diskette drive o Expandability - Two PCMCIA slots (two Type I/II or one Type III) - Two IC DRAM memory slots - User-removable hard disk - User-removable CD-ROM - ISA expansion port o Usability - Large 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) active matrix color displays, with Black Matrix for reduced reflectivity, and 640x480 and 800x600 resolutions - Familiar IBM 84-, 85-, or 89-key keyboard with integrated TrackPoint III - Efficient power management (operating system dependent) o Preloaded operating systems can be selected Personal Conferencing for AIX Strengths Personal Conferencing for AIX provides multimedia real-time remote video conferencing capability for IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 mobile systems using IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients and is shipped standard with all AIX models. Introduction: o Connection over standard telephone service lines - Real-time processing of all information over one line - All information voice, data, and video - Uses industry standard modems (28.8Kbps recommended) o Exploits IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 built-in function - PowerPC 603e floating-point unit is used for DSP functions like a voice/video codec implemented in software - Graphics with motion video adapter - Video camera option - Business Audio I/O - Microphone and stereo speakers o Based on IBM's Person-to-Person application Capabilities: o Data transmission with industry standard modems - 14.4Kbps required for collaboration - 28.8Kbps recommended for video o Real-time voice codec - Improved GSM algorithm - Low average bandwidth required for voice - Maintains audio quality - Uses PowerPC floating-point unit for DSP codec function implemented in software o Simulated full-duplex speaker phone - Uses built-in microphone and stereo speakers - Can use IBM Personal Microphone for privacy - Echo cancellation - Audio mute supported o Real-time multiplex/demultiplex (voice-over-data) - GSM voice highest priority - Data middle priority - Video last priority o Real-time video codec - MPEG-1 video standard - Full-duplex video transmission - 176x144 (QCIF) color images - 1 to 5 frames per second (along with voice) - Video in select (snap-in or external camera) - PowerPC floating-point unit is used for DSP codec function implemented in software o Still image frame capture - JPEG image standard - 352x288 (QCIF) color image - Use as files or add to Chalkboard o Shared Chalkboard - Real-time shared graphics window - Text, graphics, and bit-map image objects supported - Real-time pointing and inking - Requires very low bandwidth - Suitable for TrackPoint III pointing device - Wacom tablet supported as pointing device o File Transfer - Interactive (while conference is running) - Uses available bandwidth - Can be assigned full bandwidth (temporarily stop conference) - Non-interactive (without a conference) o Address Book (features image portraits) Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM The Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM ships with each system unit and contains the software applications for AIX and Windows NT listed below. With the exception of the CD-ROM-based system manuals, these applications are normally part of the standard AIX or Windows NT preload. However, this CD-ROM is also provided for backup purposes. o Essentials! o Power, Performance, Potential o CompuServe WinCIM Power Series Edition (NT only) o Introducing Your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (NT only) Essentials! is a Windows application which contains a customer registration program, a catalog of supported options and adapters and an overview of the IBM HelpWare(R) support coverage. Power, Performance, Potential is a multimedia presentation which uses three dimensional audio and artwork-quality graphics to introduce the user to key Power Series technology and marketing messages. Since this application consumes a significant amount of hardfile space, IBM has also provided a "Remove PPP" utility which allows the user to reclaim this space for other applications. For users who also purchase a modem with their Power Series system, a personalized version of the CompuServe WinCIM application is provided for quick and easy access to the CompuServe Power Series forum. Power Series product announcements, updates of system software, device drivers and other important information will be provided on this key forum which focuses on the needs of application developers and large corporate users. This software includes information about obtaining a complementary CompuServe subscription worth one month of basic services and a $15 usage credit. In an effort to reduce desktop clutter and leverage powerful multimedia presentation tools within Windows NT, IBM has provided a CD-ROM- based system manual. Introducing Your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 provides an audio/video overview of the features of the new IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 systems. If a user elects to remove these applications from the hardfile or in the event of a hardfile failure, IBM has also provided additional software on the Program Pack to re-create the original preload image on the hardfile. Carrying Cases With the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850, you also get a Personal Carrying Cases for ThinkPad catalog by Port, Inc. The catalog features a special line of cases designed to comfortably carry the IBM ThinkPad Power Series system. The cases offer protection against common drops and bumps, with most offering a unique shock-absorbing system that provides greater protection than simple foam padding. Cases are available in a variety of sizes and styles to satisfy individual needs and tastes. You can order the cases through IBM, at the original place of purchase or directly from Port, Inc. These products are solely a Port, Inc., offering. IBM does not provide any warranty, including any implied warranties, for these products. Pre-Configured and PC Direct(1) -- Base System Description All IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 models include: o 603e 100MHz PowerPC Processor o 32KB Level 1 Cache o 256KB Level 2 Cache o 64-bit Memory Bus Architecture o 84/85/89 Keyboard with integrated Trackpoint III Pointing Device (two button) o G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter (NTSC I/O and PAL(R)-in) o 16-bit Business Audio with Stereo Speakers and built-in Microphone o CD-ROM 2X (XA) SCSI-2 built-in (user removable) o External 3.5-inch 1.44MB Diskette Drive (supports 1.2MB mode) o PCMCIA Slots (Two Type-I/II or One Type-III) o External Ports (Serial, Parallel), External Diskette Drive, Keyboard/Mouse, External display up to 1024x768, SCSI-2, Motion Video in and out, Expansion Bus (ISA), Headphone jack, Microphone jack, Audio line in and line out o NiMH Battery Pack o 50W Universal AC Adapter o Personal Microphone o Black Three-Button Mouse (when AIX is installed) Items that vary by model: o Country Keyboard o Memory (16MB to 80MB), or (32MB to 96MB) with Parity o Hard Disk Size 540MB, 810MB or 1.2GB (user removable) o Color Display (640x480 TFT or 800x600 TFT) o Operating Systems: - No operating system - IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients (Installed) - IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) (Installed) (when available) - Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) (Installed) - Solaris (PowerPC Edition) (when available) Pre-Configured and PC Direct Systems Available models: Machine Description Type Model IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (No operating system) 6042 9CD IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (AIX) 6042 9DD IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (Windows NT) 6042 9ED These systems have: -- U.S. English Keyboard -- 32MB base -- 96MB maximum Parity Memory -- SCSI-2 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive -- 800x600 Color TFT Display Machine Description Type Model IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (No operating system) 6042 96D IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (AIX) 6042 97D IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (Windows NT) 6042 98D These systems have: -- U.S. English Keyboard -- 32MB base -- 96MB maximum Parity Memory -- SCSI-2 810MB Hard Disk Drive -- 800x600 Color TFT Display IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (No operating system) 6042 967 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (AIX) 6042 977 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (Windows NT) 6042 987 These systems have: -- U.S. English Keyboard -- 32MB base -- 96MB maximum Parity Memory -- SCSI -2 810MB Hard Disk Drive -- 640x480 Color TFT Display IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (No operating system) 6042 906 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 (Windows NT) 6042 926 These systems have: -- U.S. English Keyboard -- 16MB base -- 80MB maximum Parity Memory -- SCSI-2 540MB Hard Disk Drive -- 640x480 Color TFT Display Note: Personal Conferencing for AIX will be provided with no operating system and AIX system for user installation. Other Related Announcements o IBM Power Series (Hardware Announcement 195-176) o IBM Ultimedia(R) Services for AIX Version 2.1.2 (Software Announcement 295-274) o The Human-Centered(TM) Experience (Software Announcment 295-266) o IBM Power Series Developer's Toolbox Program (Marketing Announcement 395-083) PRODUCT POSITIONING The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 is positioned as the highest performance, full-function member of the IBM Power Series mobile family. At the same time, it is also positioned as the top of IBM's very successful ThinkPad family of mobile systems because of its collaborative power. The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 is based on the PowerPC 603e 100Mhz microprocessor along with a 64-bit wide memory bus, and a 256K level 2 cache -- all of which contribute to its blazing performance. Supported 32-bit operating systems include: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) o IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) when available o Solaris (PowerPC Edition) when available Also, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 is available for purchase without an operating system installed. In the UNIX(2) market, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 and the IBM ThinkPad Power Series are the only mobile systems that support both IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients and Solaris (PowerPC Edition) when available. AIX models come with Personal Conferencing for AIX. This application along with a modem and the optional snap-in video camera, turns the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 into a mobile video conferencing system. Imagine being able to have a video conference >from any hotel room in the world using a standard analog telephone line for simultaneous voice, collaborative tools, data, and video communication. IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850's snap-in video camera and its PowerPC 603e make it uniquely suited for mobile conference/collaboration applications. In the PC market, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 will set new levels of performance for native applications running under Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) or IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) when available. The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 sets a new function and performance standard, and paves the way for exciting new applications while protecting your investment in application software. PUBLICATIONS The following system and CD-ROM publications are shipped with the product: Order Part Title Number Number IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 User's Guide S30H-2391 30H2391 IBM ThinkPad Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM S30H-2389 30H2389 Additional copies of the User's Guide and CD-ROM publications will be available on the planned availability date. The following publications will be available on the planned availability date. Order Part Title Number Number ThinkPad Power Series 820 and 850 Spec Sheet G221-4406 N/A Personal Computer Power Series Brochure G520-7161 N/A IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 Hardware Maintenance Manual S30H-2383 30H2383 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a field replaceable unit (FRU), related service procedures and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-426-7282. EDUCATION SUPPORT "Presenting the IBM Power Series" -- Advancing the Power of the PC Presenting the IBM Power Series is an innovative new way to learn about products, positioning, software, human-centered computing and the PowerPC. This Windows 3.1 application is delivered on CD-ROM and contains approximately three hours of audio, graphic and video information. Several navigation techniques encourage direct access to specific information. Users will find this a valuable reference source to produce more customized customer presentations. Easily accessible icons allow users to deliver short "infomercials" on several topics at demonstration centers, trade shows and customer briefings. There are two versions available - one for resellers and one for customers. The customer version excludes the Marketing Strategy section resellers will find helpful. "Power one up and experience the excitement for yourself!" Customer Version: Presenting the IBM Power Series allows you to experience these exciting new products in two ways: o As a presentation that you can use to select those portions of the program that interest you. o As a set of overviews of each of the main topics. The content is organized around five topics: o PowerPC Architecture explains the advantages of the PowerPC microprocessor and compares RISC and CISC architectures. o Power Series Family provides you with an overview and the details on each member of the family. o Software Environments describes the many operating systems supported by the IBM Power Series. o Human-Centered Experience introduces you to a better way of interacting with your computer. o Customer Support details the support structure such as warranties and remote support. Reseller Version: These reseller version allows the reseller to experience these exciting new products in three ways: o As a structured program which will enable the reseller to successfully market these products. It includes a sales call scenario and will track your progress through the program. o As a presentation that can be used with customers and will allow resellers to select only those portions of the program that interest the customer. o As a set of overviews of each of the main topics. Each mode displays file names of audio, video, text and graphics that can be used in other applications such as Audio Video Connection and Freelance Graphics. The content is organized around six topics: o PowerPC Architecture explains the advantages of the PowerPC microprocessor and compares RISC and CISC architectures. o Power Series Family provides you with an overview and the details on each member of the family. o Software Environments describes the many operating systems supported by the IBM Power Series. o Human-Centered Experience introduces a better way of interacting with the computer. o Customer Support details the support structure such as warranties and remote support. o Marketing Strategy helps define potential customers for the IBM Power Series. To order a copy in the U.S. and Canada, call 800-IBM-TEACH (426-8324) and ask for "Power Series" or "Power Series, Reseller Version". Outside the U.S. and Canada, call 602-629-9006. Minimum System Requirements o Windows Version 3.1 or higher, OS/2 Warp, or AIX Version 4.1 o Multimedia Control Interface (MCI) o 486DX 33MHz processor or higher o 4MB RAM (Windows), 8MB RAM (OS/2), 12MB RAM (AIX) o Hard drive with 15MB available o Mouse o 2X CD-ROM o Display adapter and monitor capable of 640x480 resolution and 256 colors (65,000 colors recommended) o Sound Blaster-compatible 16-bit audio adapter o Local Bus Video card highly recommended For installation assistance, call 800-IBM-PROD (426-7763) and ask for CBT assistance. TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Electrical Power Specifications Universal AC Adapter o Power Rating: 50 watts o Input Voltage: 100 -- 240VAC o Input Current: 0.75 -- 1.5A o Input Frequency: 50Hz to 60Hz o Output Voltage: 20 -- 10VDC o Output Current: 2.5 -- 5.0A Quick Charger Power Specifications o Input Voltage: 100 -- 240VAC o Input Current: 0.45 -- 0.8A o Input Frequency: 50 -- 60Hz o Output Characteristics: - Rated Voltage 12VDC - Maximum Charge Voltage: 18VDC - Quick Charge Current: 2.7A +/- 0.1A - Trickle Charge current: 80mA +/- 20mA Intelligent Battery Pack o 16 NiMH cells, 1700mAH/cell o Microprocessor for power management o Nominal Voltage: 9.6VDC o Nominal Capacity: 3300mAh Battery operating hours and charging time estimates o Power off/Suspend Charging: 1.5 hours o Charge during operation: 2.0 hours o Quick Charger(1) - Discharging: 7.0 hours - Charging: 1.5 hours o Battery Operation(2): 2 -- 5 hours (1) Discharge and charge cycle (2) Operating system, application and user dependent Physical Specifications Mechanical Specifications o Width: 297mm (11.7 inches) o Depth: 260mm (10.24 inches) o Height: 61mm (2.4 inches) o Weight: 3.2kg (6.96 lbs) with battery o Weight: 3.6kg (7.96 lbs) with battery and CD-ROM o Weight: 3.8kg (8.28 lbs) with battery CD-ROM and video camera System Unit Carton o Single Pack Dimensions: 475 mm (18.7 inch) x 375 mm (14.8 inch) x 214 mm (8.4 inch) o Single Pack Weight: 7.9 Kg (17.4 pounds) o Quantity per Pallet: 24 System Units o Multipack Dimensions: Multipack does not apply o Multipack Quantity: Multipack does not apply o Multipacks per Pallet: Multipack does not apply o Pallet Load Dimensions: 1.02m (40.1 inch) x 1.2m (47.2 inch) x 1.0m (39.3 inch) o Pallet Load Weight: 220kg (485 pounds)* o Estimated Safe Stacking Height: 3 high * 40 pounds added for pallet Operating Environment Heat Output: 171BTU (Maximum) Electrical Power Consumption: 50W (Maximum) Air temperature 0 -- 8,000 (feet) o Operating: 5-35(degs)C or 41-95(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10-35(degs)C or 50-95(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5-43 Degrees C or 41-110(degs)F o Storage/Shipment: -20-60(degs)C or -4-140(degs)F o Wet Bulb (Maximum): 29.4(degs)C or 85(degs)F 8,000 -- 10,000 (feet) o Operating: 5-31.3(degs)C or 41-88(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10-31.3(degs)C or 50-88(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5-43(degs)C or 41-110(degs)F o Storage/Shipment: -20-60(degs)C or -4-140(degs)F o Wet Bulb (Maximum): 25.7(degs)C or 78(degs)F Note: The maximum temperature when the system is on is linearly decreased from 8,000 feet to 10,000 feet. Relative Humidity o Operating: 8 -- 95% RH (without diskette) o Operating: 8 -- 80% RH (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/Shipment: 5 -- 95% RH Altitude o 10,000 feet maximum (3,048 meters) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO6042 - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - CE Mark - OVE - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - CB certificate to IEC950/EN60950 - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO - NOM o AC/DC Adapter Approvals - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - SA - OVE - DENTORI - NOM ISO 9000 ISO 9000 registered IBM Locations: Research Triangle Park, NC, USA Manufacturing ISO 9001 Greenock, Scotland Manufacturing ISO 9001 Austin, TX, USA RS/6000(R) Sys. Mfg. ISO 9002 RS/6000 Hdw/OEM/Tech Lab ISO 9001 AIX Software Lab. ISO 9001 PSP-LAN Sys. ISO 9001 PC Co. ECAT Mfg. ISO 9001 PC Co. PWB Facility ISO 9002 Fujisawa, Japan Manufacturing ISO 9001 Hardware Requirements: Pre-configured models are complete systems and may include an operating system. Build-to-Order Required Components: Build-to-order components will be available beginning July 24, 1995. The build-to-order models are the same as pre-configured models and can include one of the available operating systems or no operating system. Available selections include: o 16MB or 32MB RAM base system o 10.4-inch (maximum viewing area when measured diagonally), TFT Black Matrix display panel, with 640x480 and 800x600 resolutions o SCSI-2 Hard Disk Drives -- 540MB, 810MB or 1.2GB depending on model o Operating Systems - IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients - IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) (when available) - Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) - Solaris (PowerPC Edition) (when available) Build-to-Order Optional Internal Components o IC DRAM Memory (2 sockets) - 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB cards (96MB maximum) - Memory must be installed in IC DRAM pairs of the same size Build-to-Order Selectable External Components: Snap-in Video Camera External Supported Devices: Device supported depends on the operating system selected and the device drivers available for the operating system or supplied by the device vendor. It is recommended that users verify device support with the device vendor. Personal Conferencing for AIX System Requirements o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o 32MB memory (minimum) o PCMCIA or external modem: - 14.4Kbps required (for collaboration) - 28.8Kbps recommended (for video) o Snap-in or external video camera o Wacom tablet (optional for pen input) Software Requirements: The following operating systems support or will support the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 System: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) o IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) (when available) o Solaris (PowerPC Edition) (when available) IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients: The AIX preload offering for IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 consists of IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients plus additional software offerings. The following software will be installed on the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 system and will be included on CD-ROM delivered with the system, along with the publications. AIX is IBM's strategic, industrial strength UNIX operating system. The AIX Version 4 client is optimized for maximum performance on IBM Power Series systems with an industry leading set of functions designed to make it the UNIX of choice for mission-critical applications. AIX Version 4 provides a wide range of interoperatability capabilities including TCP/IP, NFS, DCE, SNA, Netbios and SPX/IPX. IBM provides a rich set of licensed programs giving you a complete set of middleware for AIX. There are over 10,000 third party applications that run on AIX that provide you with a complete set of solutions for AIX. AIX Software o AIX Version 4.1.3 This rich, 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking operating system, with support for many applications optimized to run on the Power Series, provides the function and performance to address the needs of today's end user. A new graphical user interface based on the Common Desktop Environment enhances usability and end user productivity. o IBM Ultimedia(R) Services Version 2.1.1 for AIX: IBM Ultimedia Services Version 2 for AIX provides a framework for using and developing multimedia applications. It includes enhanced facilities for working with various media types and provides a robust application program interface (API), a new graphical user interface, and other tools to support audio and video. o Insignia SoftWindows** Version 1.1: SoftWindows Version 1 from Insignia Solutions allows users to run Windows- and MS-DOS-based applications. SoftWindows addresses the need to access popular PC applications running within an integrated X-Windows environment and comes pre-installed and ready to use on the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850. o Speech Dictation: This is IBM's award winning speech dictation software that has been tuned to utilize the power provided by the PowerPC 603e microprocessor. Note: IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients is only available with the initial system order as a preload option. AIX is also available through traditional channels for users that need a configuration other than the one offered above, for systems purchased without a operating system or as an additional operating system. AIX Licensed Program Products (LPP) are also available via the IBM channel. Please contact your AIX Specialist for assistance. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition): In order to provide a full menu of operating systems for its Power Series family personal computers, IBM is offering Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) from Microsoft**. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) is designed to fully utilize the capabilities of the Power Series family personal computers. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) is a complete 32-bit operating system with built-in networking. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) can support 16-bit DOS and Windows applications along with powerful 32-bit applications. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) does not require DOS or any other operating system to interface to a local area network. Advanced functions include networking and workgroup support and the ability to offer a secure environment for multiple users on the same system. Built-in connectivity and scalability are designed to support today's complex business applications with extendibility to future requirements in hardware or software. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) Preload Stack: In addition to supporting powerful 32 bit operating systems in the Power Series product family, IBM has developed a unique manufacturing process for preloading each of these operating systems and a variety of other system and third party applications. Within the Power Series program group, IBM has provided a multimedia presentation which presents an overview of the Power Series product family. This program group also contains an on-line registration application, a catalog of supported options and adapters and an overview of the world-wide IBM HelpWare service and support program. For users that also purchase a modem with their Power Series system, IBM has also provided a personalized version of the CompuServe WinCIM application to provide quick and easy access to important information on this world-wide information service network. In an effort to reduce desktop clutter and leverage the power of today's multimedia presentation tools, IBM provides, within the Window NT preload, an interface to system multimedia documentation contained on the Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM. Within a separate IBM Human-Centered Experience program group, IBM has provided a graphical interface to the Human-Centered Experience CD-ROM (when available). Supporting both the "Getting Started with the Human-Center" multimedia tour and "Installing the Human-Centered Experience" installation utility, this feature of the preloaded Windows NT desktop should facilitate ease-of-access to these new interface technologies. IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) when available: IBM will offer OS/2 Warp, the award-winning battle-tested 32-bit operating system available today for x86 platforms, on the IBM Personal Computer and ThinkPad Power Series systems. OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) will provide small business and enterprise workgroups: o Full 32-bit OS/2 application support that exploits the performance of the PowerPC microprocessor and the Human-Centered capabilities. o DOS and Windows software support, preserving your investment in application programs. o OS/2 Warp's award-winning, intuitive Workplace shell user interface with its rich underlying object technology, for enhanced user productivity. o Local area network software that facilitates sharing information with co-workers and is easy to manage across multivendor hardware and software. o Networking capabilities, such as IBM's TCP/IP, SNA and NetBIOS. o Scalability and portability because of the IBM Microkernel OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) went into initial beta test in December, 1994. IBM will expand the current beta program to allow a larger set ot customers to participate. General availability is planned for the fourth quarter 1995, depending on beta test results. IBM will also provide OS/2-based server software that supports the systems in IBM Personal Computer Power Series. Please see Preview: OS/2 Family Extended to the PowerPC Platform, Software Announcement 295-265, for further information. Solaris (PowerPC Edition) -- When Available: Solaris (PowerPC Edition) is a 32-bit UNIX advanced operating environment from SunSoft**. For information on this operating system, please contact SunSoft at 800-786-7638 for a copy of Solaris and Power Series: Addressing Enterprise Needs. Application Software Information: The IBM Power Series Solutions Directory is available online. The directory contains a current list of available IBM and third party hardware and software solutions. An "Upcoming Attractions" section previews solutions that are coming. The latest information about IBM Power Series System products, including the latest lists of hardware and software solutions available on these platforms, is available through any of the following electronic services: FAX o To receive a list of available documents: - Dial 800-IBM4FAX (426-4329) - Then select 3: "List of IBM products or announcement letters" - Then select 1: "PCs" World Wide Web o To reach the Home Page for IBM Power Series Systems Products and Solutions - URL: http://www.austin.ibm.com/powrinfo.html CompuServe o To post messages, read announcements, and ask questions/receive answers: - GO: POWERPC o To receive product technical support or assistance: - GO: IBMPPS o To read product specifications and solutions directory: - GO: IBM (to reach the IBM Online menu selection) - Select "PC Product Information" - Select the products you're interested in learning more about Prodigy o To read product specifications and solutions directory: - JUMP TO: IBM - Select "PC Product Information" - Select the products you're interested in learning more about America Online: o To read product specifications and solutions directory: - GO TO KEYWORD: IBM - Select "PC Product Information" - Select the products you're interested in learning more about GEnie o To read announcements and participate in member roundtables: - Users: Move to page 1435, keyword PPC o Programmers and Developers: Move to page 1440, keyword PPCPRO IBMLink(TM) o To post messages and receive product-related information: - Select "TalkLink Conferencing Services" - Select "Power Personal Systems Bulletin Services" (fastpath: powerpc) Note: The non-IBM software programs listed in this section are licensed under the non-IBM manufacturer's, supplier's or publisher's terms and conditions. The non-IBM manufacturers, suppliers or publishers are responsible for providing any service or support associated with these programs. The descriptions of these programs were obtained from information made available by these companies to the general public. IBM does not warrant these products. Compatibility: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 system is designed to be compatible with the PowerPC Reference Platform(TM) Specification. IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 is designed to maintain compatibility with standard PCMCIA adapters. For an industry standard PCMCIA adapter to work in the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850, device driver support is required. You must determine if the operating system chosen supports a particular device, or if the supplier of the device provides the necessary drivers. The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 system contains setup/diagnostics software in its Flash ROM called "Easy-Setup". Easy-Setup allows you to set: o Passwords o Start-up sequence for the drives o SCSI IDs for the SCSI-2 adapter and the internal hard disk Easy-Setup also runs the diagnostics through a graphical user interface. Compatible Options and Features: Part Description of Optional Features Number Options by IBM Memory IBM 4MB IC DRAM 70ns 5v Parity 92G7238 IBM 8MB IC DRAM 70ns 5v Parity 92G7241 IBM 16MB IC DRAM 70ns 5v Parity 92G7234 IBM 32MB IC DRAM 70ns 5v Parity 92G7235 These cards must be installed in pairs of the same size. Options by IBM PCMCIA Adapters IBM 10Base2 Ethernet Credit Card Adapter Single 0934330 5-Pack 92G9644 IBM 10BaseT Ethernet Credit Card Adapter Single 0934331 5-Pack 92G9634 IBM Token-Ring Auto 16/4 Credit Card Adapter Single 04H6922 5-Pack 92G9349 30-Pack 13H7359 IBM PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 Data/FAX Modem 73G7097 Other Features IBM ThinkPad Key Guard 49G2169 IBM ThinkPad Keyboard/Mouse Connector Cable 54G0441 IBM PS/2 Miniature Mouse 07G0033 External SCSI-2 Hard Disk Drives: SCSI-2 1.0GB Hard Drive Disk (requires the 3 parts below) 94G3187 SCSI-2 2.0GB Hard Drive Disk (requires the 3 parts below) 94H3054 -- External SCSI Enclosure 35100V0 -- SCSI-2 Cable Adapter to Option 8185230 -- SCSI Active Terminator 32G3919 SCSI-2 Cable Option to Option Long 6451042 SCSI-2 Cable Option to Option Short 32G3917 Limitations o The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 system has two memory slots per system. Using 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB IC DRAM optional feature cards, up to 80MB or 96MB of system memory is possible in increments of 8MB, 16MB, 32MB or 64MB. IC DRAM must be installed in pairs of the same size. o Using the new So-Dual In-line Memory Module (DIMM) technology, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 implements two 8MB or 16MB Memory Modules as its base memory for 16MB and 32MB systems, respectively. o G10 Graphics with Motion Video is supported in a operating system environment only. Support may vary by operating system. o G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter supports NTSC composite video input and output, and PAL composite video input only. o This system has limitations in the use of the DCBZ and MTMSR instructions. Programmers should consult the programming guidelines area of the IBM Power Series Systems Products and Solutions home page on the World Wide Web, URL: http//www.austin.ibm.com/powrinfo.html, before using either instruction. o Audio functions are supported only in the operating system environment. Audio support may vary by operating system. o The power management function is implemented in the operating system environment, which will affect the expected battery life. o The system is designed so you can install or remove the PCMCIA card without turning off the system, if the PCMCIA card and operating system selected supports this function. Refer to the PCMCIA card instructions. o When the system is working under some operating systems, removal and installation of a PCMCIA card may not be supported during the power-on state. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference that allows only one card to be used. o Device drivers designed for x86 systems, supplied with PCMCIA cards, will not execute on this system. You must insure that PowerPC device drivers for the operating system are available for the card. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Point enablers may interfere with Client Device Drivers that do communicate with Socket and Card Services. Additional customer testing in their specific environments is recommended. o Maximum data transfer rate of the built-in, double-speed CD-ROM drive is approximately 300KBps when used with the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850. o The IBM keyboard/mouse connector cable is required when attaching an external keyboard and mouse to the system via the external input device port. o When running AIX and you want to use a Wacom Tablet instead of the TrackPoint III in the AIXwindows(R) Environment, execute (rmdev -1 mouse0) at the command line before starting the AIXwindows Environment. Suspend Mode Operational Considerations: The system can enter the Suspend mode when using a PCMCIA card with one of the following operating systems: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) Note: Removing or installing PCMCIA cards during Suspend mode is not recommended. Also, the Suspend mode capabilities are operating system dependent. Planning Information Customer Responsibilities: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 is designated as customer setup. Customer setup, service, and programming publications are available. Allow one day for customer setup. By following the setup instructions, the user attaches the peripherals, installs the battery, connects the AC adapter, and turns on the system. If the operating system does not come up, the system documentation steps the user through the start-up procedures. Call the IBM HelpCenter(R) at 800-772-2227, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, (except certain holidays) for the following: o Installation and configuration telephone assistance. The HelpCenter provides both hardware and software support. o Hardware installation, setup and problem determination. o Software Technical Support: Operating system installation, configuration and usage support is complementary for the first 60 days after purchase. Support beyond 60 days is available for a fee. o Application configuration and usage assistance is available for a fee. Contact the IBM HelpCenter for further information. o FAX information for the Power Series family of systems is available by selecting the appropriate option on the voice menu. You can request a catalog of documents that contain marketing information, plus technical hints and tips for Power Series family system, operating systems and applications. Insignia Support: Insignia will provide 30-day free telephone/FAX support for Softwindows. An extended warranty may be purchased from Insignia directly. Assistance in the U.S. is available by calling 414-694-7694. Cable Orders: You may need to order a keyboard/mouse connector cable when you need an external keyboard and a mouse. You must order a SCSI-2 cable if you want to attach a external SCSI-2 device. Installability: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 system requires less than an hour for installation. Installation includes unpacking, setting up and powering on the system. Additional time maybe required to install memory, an operating system, or other features. Problem Determination: If a failure is found at initial installation, an instruction or error code will appear on the screen. Note this information and refer to the "User's Guide" shipped with the system unit. The troubleshooting procedures consist of a power-on self-test, diagnostic tests and easy-to-follow troubleshooting charts designed to assist the user in isolating a defective machine element. The failing element can then be replaced or repaired under existing warranty provisions. IBM HelpWare: HelpWare is a comprehensive set of service and support offerings developed to provide a full range of service and support options to help make computing a more productive and enjoyable experience. As part of our commitment to provide the support you demand, IBM provides many HelpWare services complimentary during the warranty period of your IBM Power Series system. Additional services are also available from the HelpWare Support Family. For detailed information on HelpWare services, call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (except for certain holidays). Security, Auditability, and Control Standard Security Features o Passwords - A power-on password (POP) helps protect the system from unauthorized use. If a POP is set, the password prompt appears: -- Each time the system is turned on -- When the system is returned to normal operation from Suspend mode if implemented by the operating system - A supervisor password provides a higher level of security than the POP. The supervisor password protects the system functions from being used by unauthorized users and protects the hardware configuration from unauthorized modification. If the supervisor password has been set, the system will prompt the user to enter a password when trying to access configuration or startup sequence sub-menus of Easy-Setup. o The user can connect the hook on the locking mechanism to a leash with a user-selected padlock and chain or cable. o The system is Vital Product Data (VPD) enabled. VPD is a software system identification method. World Trade Considerations: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 system supports an icon-based interface that eliminates the need for National Language translation. To configure the system, you select icons from an easily understandable menu. National Language Support is also dependent on the operating system used. Refer to the operating system manuals to determine support for a particular country. User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS This product is available for purchase under the terms of the IBM Customer Agreement. IBM Credit Corporation Financing: Term leases and installment payment plans are available for commercial and state and local government customers. System Hardware (6042): Three years; however, an optional one year warranty is available via special bid. Note: This warranty is for the system and any IBM features that are pre-installed at the factory. Any IBM feature installed by the customer or shipped in a separate package is considered an optional feature and the Optional Feature warranty applies. System Battery: One year Optional Features: One year Media: Three months (diskettes and CD-ROMS) IBM Programs: Three months Non-IBM Programs: Not warranted by IBM, warranty, if any, is provided by the program's supplier. Non-IBM Optional Features: Not warranted by IBM, warranty, if any, is provided by the product's supplier. Licensing: IBM programs included with the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement and IBM System Programs License Agreement. A copy of these agreements are included in the documentation that ships with the system. Non-IBM Programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and Conditions of the supplier apply. They are included in their respective program packages in the documentation that ships with the systems and are passed on to the customer. Warranty Service ThinkPad EasyServ: Warranty service for the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 will be provided by ThinkPad EasyServ. ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to a IBM designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return the repaired system to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If warranty service is required, the customer should call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227, (800-565-3344 in Canada). The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. Should a hardware problem be identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. ThinkPad EasyServ is available in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. International Warranty Service (6042): Customers who travel or need to move products to another country will be able to register the product(s) for IBM International Warranty Service. Upon registering with the International Warranty Service Office (IWSO), IBM will issue an International Warranty Service Certificate that will be honored virtually worldwide, where IBM or IBM resellers sell and service IBM PC products. During the original warranty period, customers will be provided service though the service delivery methods available for their specific IBM system in the servicing country. For more information on IBM International Warranty Service in the U.S. and Canada, or to register your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 systems, please contact IBM at 800-497-7426. Refer to Services Announcement 694-028, dated October 17, 1994. Alternative Service: IBM On-Site Repair (IOR) will not be offered as a generally available option. Customers who require a more timely repair option can select either the ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option or on-site service via a Special Bid Process. Contact your Area Service Marketing Specialist for details. Maintenance Service ThinkPad EasyServ (6042): ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to an IBM designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option: The ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option allows customers, whose mobile systems are under an IBM EasyServ Warranty or IBM EasyServ Maintenance Agreement to upgrade the service to overnight repair with a per incident charge. Customers should call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 for information on utilizing this service. This offering is available in the U.S. only. ThinkPad EasyServ Maintenance Agreement: If the customer has selected ThinkPad EasyServ for their post warranty maintenance delivery, when service is required, the customer should call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. Should a hardware problem be identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pickup the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pickup the system for delivery to the repair location. ThinkPad EasyServ post warranty service is available in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. Note: Non-IBM products installed in a IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 either on Warranty or Maintenance Service may be serviced by IBM. Additional service support charges may apply. IBM Hourly Service Rate Classification: One. IBM warranty service may be obtained by calling 800-772-2227. IBM Hourly Service is available at the applicable rate and terms, including element exchange price, if applicable. Extended Maintenance Option: The announced product is not eligible for the Extended Maintenance Option under the IBM Customer Agreement. A revised Exhibit for Extended Maintenance Option will be available at a later date. Central Facility Maintenance Service Option: The announced product is an eligible machine for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option of the IBM Customer Agreement. A revised exhibit will be available at a later date. The minimum number of machines required to be at the central facility before requesting maintenance service is six machines. The Additional Maintenance Charge Factor is currently 0.5 hours. The terms and conditions are stated in the Attachment for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option. Product Availability Status: New product available Field-Installable Features: Yes Model Conversions: No Customer Setup: Yes Graduated Charges: The announced product is in Processor Group D5 for software with graduated charges. Licensed Internal Code: No National Education Price (NEP): A National Education Price is available under the terms and conditions of the National Education Price List. The NEP price which represents 4% discount from the single unit purchase price, is not subject to any further discount or allowance. The machine(s) in this announcement are included in the National Education Price List. CHARGES Machine Part Purchase Description Type Model Number Price ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 9CD 29H8170 $8,999 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 9DD 29H8171 9,849 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 9ED 29H8173 9,299 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 96D 29H8196 8,549 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 97D 29H8197 9,399 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 98D 29H8199 8,849 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 967 29H8175 8,149 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 977 29H8176 8,999 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 987 29H8178 8,449 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 906 29H8180 6,699 ThinkPad Power Series 850 6042 926 29H8182 6,999 Options Available Part Purchase Option Number Price ThinkPad Power Series 850 Video Camera 85G2715 $ 349 SCSI-2 540MB Hard Disk* 30H1388 899 SCSI-2 810MB Hard Disk* 30H1392 1,299 SCSI-2 1.2GB Hard Disk* 30H1467 1,749 50W AC Adapter (U.S.)* 30H1403 99 Quick Charger (U.S.) 85G2662 199 NiMH Battery Pack U.S. 85G2671 149 Personal Microphone 12H1504 49 Black Three-Button Mouse 30H1519 49 * Common option with IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 Publications Order Purchase Title Number Price IBM ThinkPad 850 User's Guide S30H-2391 $16.00 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 Progra Pack CD-ROM S30H-2389 36.50 IBM ThinkPad 820 and 850 Spec Sheet G221-4406 .55 IBM PC Power Series Brochure G520-7161 1.50 Hardware Maintenance Manual S30H-2383 3.50 Alternative Service Charges ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option $99 Annual Minimum Maintenance Charges ThinkPad EasyServ $630 ** Company, product, or service name may be a trademark or service mark of others. (1) Trademark of Ziff Communications Company and is used by IBM Corporation under license. (2) Registered trademark in the United States and other countries licensed exclusively through X/Open Company Limited. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:31:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14789; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:31:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00716; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:09:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:09:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00704; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:09:40 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA03954 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:09:34 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA43642; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:10:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Thinkpad 820 (PowerPC) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Too bad there's no OS/2 for these machines yet. IBM says it should be ready in the fall. I wonder who's first Win95 or OS2 for powerpc's. Right now for these PowerPC thinkpad you have a choice between Windows NT 3.51 or AIX 4.1 or no operating system at all (yeah I'll take that option). IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 and Supporting Options Deliver Power and Flexibility for Mobile Users Announced on June 19, 1995 HARDWARE Announcement 195-179 In Brief . . . As a price-performance leader of IBM's ThinkPad family, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 provides your mobile workforce with: o Multimedia-ready system with 16-bit audio, CD-ROM drive, optional video playback, stereo speakers and microphone all built in o Fast PowerPC 603e 100MHz microprocessor with 32KB Level 1 cache, floating-point unit and power management for advanced application support o 265KB Level 2 cache that reduces memory access time o Memory expansion to 48MB o Large 10.4-inch diagonal high resolution SVGA (800x600) or VGA (640x480) Black Matrix TFT color displays o Up to 1.2GB of storage o Choice of 32-bit advanced multitasking operating system o PCI G10 local-bus graphics with optional motion video support for enhanced performance (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation ** Company, product, or service name may be a trademark or service mark of others. product, or service name may be trademark or service mark of others. ---------------------------------------- Need power and portability? You can have both with the IBM ThinkPad(R) Power Series 820(TM). This powerful notebook provides world-class performance with a PowerPC 603e(TM) 100MHz microprocessor, in a small lightweight system and can be battery or AC powered. Multitasking capability and the choice of high-performance, 32-bit operating systems, make the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 an ideal general business solution for mobile, field, and office professionals. The system is well-suited for extremely demanding computer uses. Its innovative design offers palm-rest space, built-in stereo speakers and integrated CD-ROM. Models of the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 with the optional G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter can send and receive composite video. Motion video can be input from a NTSC or PAL(R) camcorder, displayed on a NTSC television monitor, or recorded on a NTSC VCR. In addition to motion video I/O capabilities, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 has full multimedia support with built-in audio and integrated CD-ROM capability. All this capability comes in a sleek seven-pound system that meets the requirements for U.S. Energy Star compliance. You can order your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 with the supported 32-bit operating system of your choice installed on its hard disk, or you can purchase an operating system separately if you want to fully customize your system. Supported operating systems include: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows+ NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC(TM) Edition) o IBM OS/2(R) Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) when available o Solaris** (PowerPC Edition) when available Personal Conferencing for AIX(R) is provided with all AIX models and models without an operating system, that have the G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter. With its new supporting options, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 delivers a feature-packed, powerful, flexible, expandable mobile computer that is designed to address the most demanding computing requirements. Price: Prices starting at $5,699 Planned Availability Dates o Systems without operating system July 24, 1995 o Systems with IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients (U.S. English) July 24, 1995 o Systems with Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) (U.S. English) July 24, 1995 o Systems with 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive and 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive option August 29, 1995 Note: For other national languages supported by the operating systems, please see the respective announcement letters for availability dates: o IBM AIX Version 4.1.3 (Software Announcement 295-268) o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (Software Announcement 295-267) o Preview: IBM Extends OS/2 to PowerPC Platform (Software Announcement 295-265) DESCRIPTION Supporting Options The following features and options are being announced to support the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 System: o IBM ThinkPad Power Series SCSI-2 540MB Hard Disk Drive o IBM ThinkPad Power Series SCSI-2 810MB Hard Disk Drive o IBM ThinkPad Power Series SCSI-2 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive o IBM ThinkPad Power Series AC Adapter (50W) o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 NiMH Battery Pack o IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 Travel Quick Charger o IBM Black Three Button Mouse o Personal Conferencing for AIX System Strengths The strengths of the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820: o New generation PowerPC technology -- fast PowerPC 603e 100MHz microprocessor with integrated: - 32KB Level 1 cache - Floating-point unit - Power management o 256KB Level 2 cache o 32-bit memory controller o Large standard memory 16MB or 32MB (expandable to 48MB) o PCI local-bus G10 graphics, with optional motion video capability o Integrated 16-bit business audio o Built-in microphone and stereo speakers o High-capacity, SCSI-2, customer-removable hard files (540MB, 810MB, or 1.2GB) o Built-in CD-ROM drive (user removable and exchangeable with diskette drive) o External 3.5-inch diskette drive o Expandability - Two PCMCIA slots (two Type I/II, or one Type III) - Additional DIMM memory sockets (two available) - User-removable hard disk drive - User-removable CD-ROM drive - ISA expansion port o Usability - Large 10.4-inch (picture measured diagonally) displays, active matrix TFT color with Black Matrix, 640x480 or 800x600 resolution - Familiar IBM 84-, 85-, or 89-key keyboard with integrated TrackPoint III - Efficient power management (operating system dependent) o Preloaded operating systems can be selected Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM The Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM ships with each system unit and contains the software applications for AIX and Windows NT listed below. With the exception of the CD-ROM based system manuals, these applications are normally part of the standard AIX or Windows NT preload. However, this CD-ROM is also provided for backup purposes. o Essentials! o Power, Performance, Potential o CompuServe WinCIM Power Series Edition (NT only) o Introducing your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (NT only) Essentials! is a Windows application which contains a customer registration program, a catalog of supported options and adapters and an overview of the IBM HelpWare(R) support coverage. Power, Performance, Potential is a multimedia presentation which uses three dimensional audio and artwork-quality graphics to introduce the user to key Power Series technology and marketing messages. Since this application consumes a significant amount of hardfile space, IBM has also provided a "Remove PPP" utility which allows the user to reclaim this space for other applications. For users who also purchase a modem with their Power Series system, a personalized version of the CompuServe WinCIM application is provided for quick and easy access to the CompuServe Power Series forum. Power Series product announcements, updates of system software, device drivers and other important information will be provided on this key forum which focuses on the needs of application developers and large corporate users. This software includes information about obtaining a complementary CompuServe subscription worth one month of basic services and a $15 usage credit. In an effort to reduce desktop clutter and leverage powerful multimedia presentation tools within Windows NT, IBM has provided a CD-ROM-based system manual. Introducing Your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 provides an audio/video overview of the features of the new IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 systems. If a user elects to remove these applications from the hardfile or in the event of a hardfile failure, IBM has also provided additional software on the Program Pack to re-create the original preload image on the hardfile. Carrying Cases With the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820, you also get a Personal Carrying Cases for ThinkPad catalog by Port, Inc. The catalog features a special line of cases designed to comfortably carry the IBM ThinkPad. The cases offer protection against common drops and bumps, with most offering a unique shock-absorbing system that provides greater protection than simple foam padding. Cases are available in a variety of sizes and styles to satisfy individual needs and tastes. You can order the cases through IBM or at the original place of purchase or directly from Port, Inc. These products are solely a Port, Inc., offering. IBM does not provide any warranty, including any implied warranties, for these products. Pre-Configured and PC Direct(1) Systems -- Base System Description o All IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 models include: - 603e 100MHz PowerPC Processor - 32KB Level 1 Cache - 256KB Level 2 Cache - 32-bit Memory Bus Architecture - 84/85/89-key Keyboard with integrated Trackpoint-III Pointing Device (two button) - 16-bit Business Audio with Stereo Speakers and built-in Microphone - CD-ROM 2X (XA) SCSI-2 built-in (user removable) - External 3.5-inch 1.44MB Diskette Drive (supports 1.2MB mode) - PCMCIA Slots (Two Type-I/II or One Type-III) - External Ports (Serial, Parallel), External Diskette Drive, Keyboard/Mouse, External Display (up to 1024x768), SCSI-2, Expansion Bus (ISA), Headphone jack, Microphone jack, - NiMH Battery Pack - 50W Universal AC Adapter - Personal Microphone - Black Three-Button Mouse (when AIX is installed) o Items that vary by model: - 16MB or 32MB Memory with Parity - G10 Graphics Adapter or - 10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter (NTSC in/out and PAL in) - Country Keyboard - Hard Disk Size of 540MB, 810MB, or 1.2GB (user removable) - Color Display (640x480 TFT or 800x600 TFT) - Operating Systems: -- No operating system -- IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients -- Installed -- IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) -- Installed (when available) -- Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) -- Installed -- Solaris (PowerPC Edition) (when available) Pre-Configured and PC Direct Systems Available models: Machine Description Type Model IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (No operating system) 6040 0CD IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (AIX) 6040 0DD IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (NT) 6040 0ED These systems have: U.S. English Keyboard 32MB base -- 48MB maximum Parity Memory G10 Graphics Adapter SCSI-2 1.2GB Hard Disk Drive 800x600 Color TFT Display IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (No operating system) 6040 06D IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (AIX) 6040 07D IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (NT) 6040 08D These systems have: U.S. English Keyboard 32MB base -- 48MB maximum Parity Memory G10 Graphics Adapter SCSI-2 810MB Hard Disk Drive 800x600 Color TFT Display IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (No operating system) 6040 966 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (NT) 6040 986 Machine Description Type Model IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (AIX) 6040 977 These systems have: U.S. English Keyboard 16MB base -- 48MB maximum Parity Memory (except AIX) 32MB base -- 48MB maximum Parity Memory (with AIX) G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter (NTSC in/out and PAL in) SCSI-2 810MB Hard Disk Drive 640x480 Color TFT Display IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (No operating system) 6040 006 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (NT) 6040 026 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 (AIX) 6040 017 These Systems Have: U.S. English Keyboard 16MB base -- 48MB max Parity Memory (except AIX) 32MB base -- 48MB max Parity Memory (with AIX) G10 Graphics Adapter SCSI -2 540MB Hard Disk Drive 640x480 Color TFT Display Other Related Announcements o IBM Power Series (Hardware Announcement 195-176) o IBM Ultimedia(R) Services for AIX Version 2.1.2 (Software Announcement 295-274) o The Human-Centered(TM) Experience (Software Announcement 295-266) o IBM Power Series Developer's Toolbox Program (Marketing Announcement 395-083) PRODUCT POSITIONING The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 is the compact mobile member of the IBM Power Series family. It is positioned as a price-performance leader of IBM's very successful ThinkPad family of mobile systems. The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 is based on the PowerPC 603e 100MHz microprocessor which supports IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients, Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) 32-bit operating systems. It will also support IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) and Solaris (PowerPC Edition) when they are available. Also, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 is also available for purchase without an operating system. In the UNIX(2) market, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850(TM) and the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 notebooks are the only mobile systems that support IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients and Solaris (PowerPC Edition) when available. In the PC mobile market, they will set new levels of performance for native applications running under Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) and IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) when available. In addition to protecting your investment in application software, the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 sets a new price-performance standard with its performance and multimedia features in a compact size. PUBLICATIONS The following system and CD-ROM publications are shipped with the product: Order Part Title Number Number IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 User's Guide S30H-2385 30H2385 IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 Program Pack CD-ROM S30H-2384 30H2384 Additional copies of the User's Guide and CD-ROM publications will be available at the planned availability date. Order Part Title Number Number IBM Personal Computer Power Series Brochure G520-7161 N/A ThinkPad Power Series 820 and 850 Spec Sheet G221-4406 N/A IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 Hardware Maintenance Manual S30H-2388 30H2388 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a field replaceable unit (FRU), related service procedures and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-426-7282. EDUCATION SUPPORT "Presenting the IBM Power Series" -- Advancing the Power of the PC Presenting the IBM Power Series is an innovative new way to learn about products, positioning, software, human centered computing and the PowerPC. This Windows 3.1 application is delivered on CD-ROM and contains approximately three hours of audio, graphic and video information. Several navigation techniques encourage direct access to specific information. Users will find this a valuable reference source to produce more customized customer presentations. Easily accessible icons allow users to deliver short "infomercials" on several topics at demonstration centers, trade shows and customer briefings. There are two versions available -- one for resellers and one for customers. The customer version excludes the Marketing Strategy section resellers will find helpful. "Power one up and experience the excitement for yourself!" Customer Version: Presenting the IBM Power Series allows the customer to experience these exciting new products in two ways: o As a presentation that you can use to select those portions of the program that interest you. o As a set of overviews of each of the main topics. The customer version is organized around five topics: o PowerPC Architecture(TM) explains the advantages of the PowerPC microprocessor and compares RISC and CISC architectures. o Power Series Family provides you with an overview and the details on each member of the family. o Software Environments describes the many operating systems supported by the IBM Power Series. o Human-Centered Experience introduces you to a better way of interacting with your computer. o Customer Support details the support structure such as warranties and remote support. Reseller Version: The reseller version the IBM Power Series allows the reseller to experience these exciting new products in three ways: o As a structured program which will enable the reseller to successfully market these products. It includes a sales call scenario and will track the resellers progress through the program. o As a presentation that resellers can use with their customers and will allow resellers to select only those portions of the program that interest the customer. o As a set of overviews of each of the main topics. Each mode displays file names of audio, video, text and graphics that can be used in other applications such as Audio Video Connection and Freelance Graphics. The content is organized around six topics: o PowerPC Architecture explains the advantages of the PowerPC microprocessor and compares RISC and CISC architectures. o Power Series Family provides an overview and the details on each member of the family. o Software Environments describes the many operating systems supported by the IBM Power Series. o Human-Centered Experience introduces a better way of interacting with the computer. o Customer Support details the support structure such as warranties and remote support. o Marketing Strategy helps define potential customers for the IBM Power Series. To order a copy in the U.S. and Canada, call 800-IBM-TEACH (426-8324) and ask for "Power Series" or "Power Series, Reseller Version". Outside the U.S. and Canada, call 602-629-9006. Minimum System Requirements o Windows Version 3.1 or higher, OS/2 Warp, or AIX Version 4.1 o Multimedia Control Interface (MCI) o 486DX 33MHz processor or higher o 4MB RAM (Windows), 8MB RAM (OS/2), 12MB RAM (AIX) o Hard drive with 15MB available o Mouse o 2X CD-ROM o Display adapter and monitor capable of 640x480 resolution and 256 colors (65,000 colors recommended) o Sound Blaster compatible 16-bit audio adapter o Local Bus Video card highly recommended For installation assistance, call 800-IBM-PROD (426-7763) and ask for CBT assistance. TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Electrical Power Specifications Universal AC Adapter o Power Rating: 50 watts o Input Voltage: 100 -- 240VAC o Input Current: 0.75 -- 1.5A o Input Frequency: 50Hz to 60Hz o Output Voltage: 20 -- 10VDC o Output Current: 2.5 -- 5.0A Travel Quick Charger Power Specifications o Input Voltage: 10 -- 20VDC o Input Current: 2.5 -- 5.0A o Input to System - Voltage: 10 -- 20VDC - Current: 2.5 -- 5.0A o Output to Charge Battery - Max Voltage: 14VDC - Quick Charger Current: 3.0A +/-6% Intelligent Battery Pack o 14 NiMH cells, 1800mAH/cell o Microprocessor for power management o Nominal Voltage: 8.4VDC o Nominal Capacity: 3600mAh Battery operating hours and charging time estimates o Power off/Suspend Charging -- 1.5 hours o Charge during operation -- 2.0 hours o Travel Quick Charger Charging -- 2.0 hours o Battery Operation* -- 2 to 5 hours * Operating system, application and user dependent Physical Specifications Mechanical Specifications o Width: 297 mm (11.7 inches) o Depth: 210 mm (8.3 inches) o Height: 56 mm (2.2 inches) o Weight: 2.8 kg (6.16 pounds) with battery o Weight: 3.0 kg (6.64 pounds) with battery and diskette drive o Weight: 3.4 kg (7.53 pounds) with battery and CD-ROM drive System Unit Carton o Single Pack Dimensions: 565 mm (22.3 inch) x 396 mm (15.6-inch) x 155 mm (6.1 inch) o Single Pack Weight: 7.9 Kg (17.4 pounds) o Quantity per Pallet: 24 System Units o Multipack Dimensions: Multipack does not apply o Multipack Quantity: Multipack does not apply o Multipacks per Pallet: Multipack does not apply o Pallet Load Dimensions: 1.02m (40.1 inch) x 1.2m (47.2 inch) x 1.0m (39.3 inch) o Pallet Load Weight: 214kg (472 pounds)* o Estimated Safe Stacking Height: 3 high * 40 pounds added for pallet Operating Environment Heat Output: 171BTU Electrical Power Consumption: 50W Air temperature 0 -- 8,000 (feet) o Operating: 5-35(degs)C or 41-95(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10-35(degs)C or 50-95(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5-43(degs)C or 41-110(degs)F o Storage/Shipment: -20-60(degs)C or -4-140(degs)F o Wet Bulb (Maximum): 29.4(degs)C or 85(degs)F 8,000 -- 10,000 (feet) o Operating: 5-31.3(degs)C or 41-88(degs)F (without diskette) o Operating: 10-31.3(degs)C or 50-88(degs)F (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5 - 43 Degrees C or 41 - 110 (degs)F o Storage/Shipment: -20 - 60(degs)C or -4 - 140(degs)F o Wet Bulb (Maximum): 25.7(degs)C or 78(degs)F Note: The maximum temperature when the system is on is linearly decreased from 8,000 feet to 10,000 feet. Relative Humidity o Operating: 8 - 95% RH (without diskette) o Operating: 8 - 80% RH (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/Shipment: 5 - 95% RH Altitude o 10,000 feet maximum (3,048 Meters) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO6040 - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - CE Mark - OVE - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - CB certificate to IEC950/EN60950 - SEMKO - DEMKO - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO - NOM o AC Adapter Approvals - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - OVE - SEMKO - DEMKO - SA - DENTORI - NOM ISO 9000 ISO 9000 registered IBM Locations: Research Triangle Park, NC, USA Manufacturing ISO 9001 Greenock, Scotland Manufacturing ISO 9001 Austin, TX, USA RS/6000(TM) Sys. Mfg. ISO 9002 RS/6000 Hdw/OEM/Tech Lab ISO 9001 AIX Software Lab. ISO 9001 PSP-LAN Sys. ISO 9001 PC Co. ECAT Mfg. ISO 9001 PC Co. PWB Facility ISO 9002 Fujisawa, Japan Manufacturing ISO 9001 Hardware Requirements: Pre-configured models are complete systems and can include an operating system. Build-to-Order Required Components: Build-to-order components will not be available until July 24, 1995. The build-to-order models are the same models as pre-configured models. Available selections are: o 16MB RAM base system (32MB base for AIX systems) o 10.4-inch (maximum viewing area when measured diagonally) TFT Black Matrix display panel, with 640x480 or 800x600 resolutions o SCSI-2 Hard Disk Drive -- 540MB, 810MB, or 1.2GB depending on model o Operating Systems - IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients - IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) (when available) - Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) - Solaris (PowerPC Edition) (when available) Build-to-Order Optional Internal Components o DIMM Memory (total of 3): - 8MB or 16MB DIMM (48MB maximum) - Two additional sockets for 16MB system - One additional socket for 32MB system Build-to-Order Selectable External Components: None External Supported Devices: Devices supported depends on the operating system selected and the device drivers available for the operating system or supplied by the device vendor. It is recommended that users verify device support with the device vendor. Software Requirements: The following operating systems support or will support the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 System: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) o IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) (when available) o Solaris (PowerPC Edition) (when available) IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients: The AIX preload offering for IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 consists of IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients plus additional software offerings. The following software will be installed on the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 system and included on CD-ROM delivered with the system, along with the publications. AIX is IBM's strategic, industrial strength UNIX operating system. The AIX Version 4 client is optimized for maximum performance on IBM Power Series systems with an industry-leading set of functions designed to make it the UNIX of choice for mission-critical applications. AIX Version 4 provides a wide range of interoperatability capabilities including TCP/IP, NFS, DCE, SNA, Netbios and SPX/IPX. IBM provides a rich set of licensed programs to provide you with a complete set of middleware for AIX, and there are over 10,000 third party applications that run on AIX that provide you with a complete set of solutions for AIX. AIX Software o AIX Version 4.1.3: This rich, 32-bit pre-emptive multitasking operating system with support for many applications optimized to run on the Power Series provides the function and performance to address the needs of today's end user. A new graphical user interface based on the Common Desktop Environment enhances usability and end user productivity. o IBM Ultimedia(R) Services Version 2.1.1 for AIX: IBM Ultimedia Services Version 2 for AIX provides a framework for using and developing multimedia applications. It includes enhanced facilities for working with various media types and provides a robust application program interface (API), a new graphical user interface, and other tools to support audio and video. o Insignia SoftWindows** Version 1.1: SoftWindows Version 1 from Insignia Solutions allows users to run Windows- and MS-DOS-based applications. SoftWindows addresses the need to access popular PC applications running within an integrated X-Windows environment and comes pre-installed and ready to use on the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820. o Speech Dictation: This is IBM's award winning speech dictation software that has been tuned to utilize the power provided by the PowerPC 603e microprocessor. Note: IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients is only available with the initial system order as a preloaded option. AIX is also available through traditional channels for users that need a configuration other than the one offered above, for systems purchased without a operating system, or as an additional operating system. AIX Licensed Program Products (LPP) are also available via the IBM channel. Please contact your AIX Specialist for assistance. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition): In order to provide a full menu of operating systems for its Power Series family of personal computers, IBM is offering Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) from Microsoft**. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) is designed to fully utilize the capabilities of the Power Series family of personal computers. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) is a complete 32-bit operating system with built-in networking. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) can support 16-bit DOS and Windows applications along with powerful 32-bit applications. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) does not require DOS or any other operating system to interface to a local area network. Advanced functions include networking and workgroup support and the ability to offer a secure environment for multiple users on the same system. Built-in connectivity and scalability are designed to support today's complex business applications with extendibility to future requirements in hardware or software. Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) Preload Stack: In addition to supporting powerful 32-bit operating systems in the Power Series product family, IBM has developed a unique manufacturing process for preloading each of these operating systems and a variety of other system and third party applications. Within the Power Series program group, IBM has provided a multimedia presentation which presents an overview of the Power Series product family. This program group also contains an online registration application, a catalog of supported options and adapters and an overview of the world-wide IBM HelpWare service and support program. For users that also purchase a modem with their Power Series system, IBM has also provided a personalized version of the CompuServe WinCIM application to provide quick and easy access to important information on this world-wide information service network. In an effort to reduce desktop clutter and leverage the power of today's multimedia presentation tools, IBM provides, within the Window NT preload, an interface to system multimedia documentation contained on the Power Series Program Pack CD-ROM. Within a separate IBM Human-Centered Experience program group, IBM has provided a graphical interface to the Human-Centered Experience CD-ROM (when available). Supporting both the "Getting Started with the Human-Center(TM)" multimedia tour and "Installing the Human-Centered Experience" installation utility, this feature of the preloaded Windows NT desktop should facilitate ease-of-access to these new interface technologies. IBM OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) (when available): IBM will offer OS/2 Warp, its award-winning, battle-tested 32-bit operating system available today for x86 platforms, on the IBM Personal Computer and ThinkPad Power Series systems. OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) will provide small businesses and enterprise workgroups: o Full 32-bit OS/2 application support that exploits the performance of the PowerPC microprocessor and the Human-Centered capabilities. o DOS and Windows software support, preserving your investment in application programs. o OS/2 Warp's award-winning, intuitive Workplace shell user interface with its rich underlying object technology, for enhanced user productivity. o Local area network software that facilitates sharing information with co-workers and is easy to manage across multivendor hardware and software. o Networking capabilities, such as IBM's TCP/IP, SNA and NetBIOS. o Scalability and portability because of the IBM Microkernel. OS/2 Warp Connect (PowerPC Edition) went into initial beta test in December, 1994 and the second beta started in April, 1995. IBM expects to enter a third beta test phase in the third quarter, with general availability planned for the fourth quarter, depending on beta test results. IBM will also provide OS/2-based server software that supports the systems in the Personal Computer Power Series. Please see Preview: OS/2 Family Extended to the PowerPC Platform Software Announcement 295-265, for further information. Solaris (PowerPC Edition) -- when available: Solaris (PowerPC Edition) is a 32-bit UNIX advanced operating environment from SunSoft**. For information on the operating system, please contact SunSoft at 800-786-7638 for a copy of Solaris and Power Series: Addressing Enterprise Client/Server Needs. Application Software Information: The IBM Power Series Solutions Directory is available online. The directory contains a current list of available IBM and third party hardware and software solutions. An "Upcoming Attractions" section previews solutions that are coming. The latest information about IBM Power Series System products, including the latest list of hardware and software solutions available on these platforms, is available through any of the following electronic services: FAX o To receive a list of documents: - Dial 800-IBM4FAX (426-4329) - Then select 3: "List of IBM products or announcement letters" - Then select 1: "PCs" World Wide Web o To reach the Home Page for IBM Power Series Systems Products and Solutions - URL: http://www.austin.ibm.com/powrinfo.html CompuServe o To post messages, read announcements, and ask questions/receive answers: - GO: POWERPC o To receive product technical support or assistance: - GO: IBMPPS o To read product specifications and solutions directory: - GO: IBM (to reach the IBM Online menu selection) - Select "PC Product Information" - Select the products you're interested in learning more about Prodigy o To read product specifications and solutions directory: - JUMP TO: IBM - Select "PC Product Information" - Select the products you're interested in learning more about America Online o To read product specifications and solutions directory: - GO TO KEYWORD: IBM - Select "PC Product Information" - Select the products you're interested in learning more about GEnie o To read announcements and participate in member Roundtables: - Users: Move to page 1435, keyword PPC - Programmers and Developers: Move to page 1440, keyword PPCPRO IBMLink(TM) o To post messages and receive product-related information: - Select "TalkLink Conferencing Services" - Select "Power Personal Systems Bulletin Services" (fastpath: powerpc) Note: The non-IBM software programs listed in this section are licensed under the non-IBM manufacturer's, supplier's or publisher's terms and conditions. The non-IBM manufacturers, suppliers or publishers are responsible for providing any service or support associated with these programs. The descriptions of these programs were obtained from information made available by these companies to the general public. IBM does not warrant these products. Compatibility: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 system is designed to be compatible with the PowerPC Reference Platform(TM) Specification. IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 is designed to maintain compatibility with standard PCMCIA adapters. For an industry standard PCMCIA adapter to work in the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820, device driver support is required. You must determine if the operating system chosen supports a particular device, or if the supplier of the device provides the necessary drivers. The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 system contains setup/diagnostics software in its Flash ROM called "Easy-Setup". Easy-Setup allows you to set: o Passwords o Start-up sequence for the drives o SCSI IDs for the SCSI-2 adapter and the internal hard disk Easy-Setup also runs the diagnostics through a graphical user interface. Compatible options and features: Part Description of Optional Features Number Options by IBM Memory IBM 8MB DIMM Parity 92G7255 IBM 16MB DIMM Parity 92G7257 Part Description of Optional Features Number Options by IBM PCMCIA Adapters (choose as needed) IBM 10Base2 Ethernet Credit Card Adapter Single 0934330 5-Pack 92G9644 IBM 10BaseT Ethernet Credit Card Adapter Single 0934331 5-Pack 92G9634 IBM Token-Ring Auto 16/4 Credit Card Adapter Single 04H6922 5-Pack 92G9349 30-Pack 13H7359 IBM PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 Data/FAX Modem 73G7097 Other Features IBM PS/2 Miniature Mouse 07G0033 IBM ThinkPad Key Guard 49G2169 IBM ThinkPad Keyboard/Mouse Connector Cable 54G0441 External SCSI-2 Drives: SCSI-2 1.0GB Hard Disk Drives (requires the 3 parts below) 94G3187 SCSI-2 2.0GB Hard Disk Drives (requires the 3 parts below) 94H3054 External SCSI Enclosure 35100V0 SCSI-2 Cable Adapter to Option 8185230 SCSI Active Terminator 32G3919 SCSI-2 Cable Option to Option Long 6451042 SCSI-2 Cable Option to Option Short 32G3917 Limitations o G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter is factory installed with a 640x480 TFT display only. The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 is recommended for motion video capability with 800x600 TFT display. o G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter is not available as an after market option. o Video connector cable-box, which is shipped with G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter, is required for motion video input and output. o G10 Graphics with Motion Video Adapter supports NTSC video input and output, and PAL video input only. o G10 Graphics with Motion Video is supported in the operating system environment only. Support may vary by operating system. o This system has limitations in the use of the DCBZ and MTMSR instructions. Programmers should consult the programming guidelines area of the IBM Power Series Systems Products and Solutions home page on the World Wide Web, URL:http//www.austin.ibm.com/powrinfo.html, before using either instruction. o The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 system has a total of three DIMM memory slots per system; one or two are used for base memory. Using 8MB or 16MB DIMM optional feature cards makes up to 48MB of system memory possible. o Audio functions are supported only in the operating system environment. Audio support may vary by operating system. o The power management function is implemented in the operating system environment and will affect the expected battery life. o The system is designed so you can install or remove a PCMCIA card without turning off the system, if the PCMCIA card and operating system selected support this function. Refer to the PCMCIA card instructions. o When the system is working under some operating systems, removal and installation of a PCMCIA card may not be supported during the power-on state. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference that allows only one card to be used. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Point enablers may interfere with Client Device Drivers that do communicate with Socket and Card Services. Additional testing in your specific environments is recommended. o Maximum data transfer rate of the built-in, double-speed CD-ROM drive is approximately 300KBps when used with the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820. o The IBM keyboard/mouse connector cable is required when attaching an external keyboard to the system via the external input device port. o When running AIX with a tablet instead of the TrackPoint III in the AIXwindows(R) Environment, execute (rmdev -1 mouse0) at the command line before starting the AIXwindows Environment. o Device drivers for x86 systems, supplied with PCMCIA cards, will not execute on this system. You must insure that PowerPC device drivers are available for the card. Suspend Mode Operational Considerations: The system can enter suspend mode when using the PCMCIA card with one of the following operating systems: o IBM AIX Version 4 for Clients o Windows NT Workstation 3.51 (PowerPC Edition) Note: Removing or installing PCMCIA cards during suspend mode is not recommended. Also, the suspend mode capabilities are operating system dependent. Planning Information Customer Responsibilities: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 is designated as customer setup. Customer setup, service, and programming publications are available. Customer setup allowance is one day. By following the setup instructions, the user attaches the peripherals, installs the battery, connects the AC adapter, and turns on the system. If the operating system does not come up, the system documentation steps the user through the start-up procedures. Call the IBM HelpCenter(R) at 800-772-2227, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, (except certain holidays) for the following: o Installation and configuration telephone assistance. The HelpCenter provides both hardware and software support. o Hardware installation, setup and problem determination. o Software Technical Support: Operating system installation, configuration, and usage support is complementary for the first 60 days after purchase. Support beyond 60 days is available for a fee. o Application configuration and usage assistance is available for a fee. Contact the IBM HelpCenter for further information. o FAX information for the Power Series family of systems is available by selecting the appropriate option on the voice menu. You can request a catalog of documents that contain marketing information, plus technical hints and tips for Power Series family systems, operating systems, and applications. Insignia Support: Insignia will provide 30-day free telephone/FAX support for Softwindows. An extended warranty may be purchased from Insignia directly. Assistance in the U.S. is available by calling 414-694-7694. Cable Orders: You may need to order a keyboard/mouse connector cable if you need an external keyboard and a mouse. You must order a SCSI-2 cable if you want to attach an external SCSI-2 device. Installability: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 system requires less than an hour for installation. Installation includes unpacking, setting up and powering on the system. Additional time maybe required to install memory, an operating system, or other features. Problem Determination: If a failure is found at initial installation, an instruction or error code will appear on the screen. Note this information and refer to the "User's Guide" shipped with the system unit. The troubleshooting procedures consist of a power-on self-test, diagnostic tests and easy-to-follow troubleshooting charts designed to assist the user in isolating a defective machine element. The failing element can then be replaced or repaired under existing warranty provisions. IBM HelpWare: HelpWare is a comprehensive set of service and support offerings developed to provide a full range of service and support options to help make computing a more productive and enjoyable experience. As part of our commitment to provide the support you demand, IBM provides many complimentary HelpWare services during the warranty period of your IBM Power Series system. Additional services are also available from the HelpWare Support Family. For detailed information on HelpWare services, call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week (except certain holidays). Security, Auditability, and Control Standard Security Features o Passwords - A power-on password (POP) helps protect the system from unauthorized use. If a POP is set, the password prompt appears: -- Each time the system is turned on -- When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode if implemented by the operating system - A supervisor password provides a higher level of security than the POP. The supervisor password helps protect the system functions from being used by unauthorized users and helps protect the hardware configuration from unauthorized modification. If a supervisor password has been set, the system will prompt the user to enter a password when trying to access configuration or start up sequence sub-menus of Easy-Setup. o The user can connect the hook on the locking mechanism to a leash with a user-selected padlock and chain or cable. o The system is Vital Product Data (VPD) enabled. VPD is a software system identification method. World Trade Considerations: The IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 system supports an icon-based interface that eliminates the need for National Language translation. To configure the system, you select icons from an easily understandable menu. National Language Support is also dependent on the operating system used. Refer to the operating system manuals to determine support for a particular country. User management is responsible for evaluation, selection and implementation of security features, administrative procedures and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS This product is available for purchase under the terms of the IBM Customer Agreement. IBM Credit Corporation Financing: Term leases and installment payment plans are available for commercial and state and local government customers. System Hardware (6040): Three years; however, an optional one year warranty is available via special bid. Note: This warranty is for the system and any IBM features that are pre-installed at the factory. Any IBM feature installed by the customer or shipped in a separate package is considered an optional feature and the Optional Feature warranty applies. System Battery: One year Optional Features: One year Media: Three months (diskettes and CD-ROMS) IBM Programs: Three months Non-IBM Programs: Not warranted by IBM, warranty if any, is provided by the program's supplier. Non-IBM Optional Features: Not warranted by IBM, warranty if any is provided by the product's supplier. Licensing: IBM programs included with IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement and IBM System Programs License Agreement. A copy of these agreements are included in the documentation that ships with the system. Non-IBM Programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and Conditions of the supplier apply. They are included in their respective program packages in the documentation that ships with the systems and are passed on to the customer. Warranty Service ThinkPad EasyServ: Warranty service for the IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 will be provided by ThinkPad EasyServ. ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to a IBM designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return the repaired system to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If warranty service is required, the customer should call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 (800-565-3344 in Canada). The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. Should a hardware problem be identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. ThinkPad EasyServ is available in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. International Warranty Service (6040): Customers who travel or need to move products to another country will be able to register the product(s) for IBM International Warranty Service. Upon registering with the International Warranty Service Office (IWSO), IBM will issue an International Warranty Service Certificate that will be honored virtually worldwide, where IBM or IBM resellers sell and service IBM PC products. During the original warranty period, customers will be provided service through the service delivery methods available for their specific IBM system in the servicing country. For more information on IBM International Warranty Service in the U.S. and Canada, or to register your IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 systems, please contact IBM at 800-497-7426. Refer to Services Announcement 694-028, dated October 17, 1994. Alternative Service: IBM On-Site Repair (IOR) will not be offered as a generally available option. Customers who require a more timely repair option can select either the ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option or on-site service via a Special Bid Process. Contact your Area Service Marketing Specialist for details. Maintenance Service ThinkPad EasyServ (6040): ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at the customer's location and delivered to an IBM designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to the customer. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option: The ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option allows customers whose mobile systems are under an IBM EasyServ Warranty or IBM EasyServ Maintenance Agreement to upgrade the service to overnight repair with a per incident charge. Customers should call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 for information on utilizing this service. This offering is available in the U.S. only. ThinkPad EasyServ Maintenance Agreement: If the customer has selected ThinkPad EasyServ for their post warranty maintenance delivery, and service is required, the customer should call the IBM HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. Should a hardware problem be identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pickup the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. Customers should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pickup the system for delivery to the repair location. ThinkPad EasyServ post warranty service is available in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. Note: Non-IBM products installed in a IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 either on warranty or maintenance service may be serviced by IBM. Additional service support charges may apply. IBM Hourly Service Rate Classification: One. IBM warranty service, maintenance service or IBM hourly service may be obtained by calling 800-772-2227. The IBM Hourly Service is available at the applicable rate and terms, including element exchange price, if applicable. Extended Maintenance Option: The announced product is not eligible for the extended maintenance option under the IBM Customer Agreement. A revised Exhibit for Extended Maintenance Option will be available at a later date. Central Facility Maintenance Service Option: The announced product is an eligible machine for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option of the IBM Customer Agreement. A revised exhibit will be available at a later date. The minimum number of machines required to be at the central facility before requesting maintenance service is six machines. The Additional Maintenance Charge Factor is currently 0.5 hours. The terms and conditions are stated in the Attachment for Central Facility Maintenance Service Option. Product Availability Status: New product available Field Installable Features: Yes Model Conversions: No Customer Setup: Yes Graduated Charges: The announced product is in Processor Group D5 for software with graduated charges. Licensed Internal Code: No National Education Price (NEP): A National Education Price is available under the terms and conditions of the National Education Price List. The NEP price which represents 4% discount from the single unit purchase price, is not subject to any further discount or allowance. The machines in this announcement are included in the National Education Price List. CHARGES Machine Part Purchase Description Type Model Number Price IBM ThinkPad 820 (No operating system) 6040 0CD 30H1553 $7,999 IBM ThinkPad 820 (AIX) 6040 0DD 30H1554 8,799 IBM ThinkPad 820 (NT) 6040 0ED 30H1555 8,299 IBM ThinkPad 820 (No operating system) 6040 06D 30H1477 7,549 IBM ThinkPad 820 (AIX) 6040 07D 30H1478 8,399 IBM ThinkPad 820 (NT) 6040 08D 30H1480 7,849 IBM ThinkPad 820 (No operating system) 6040 966 30H1482 6,449 IBM ThinkPad 820 (AIX) 6040 976 30H1486 8,399 IBM ThinkPad 820 (NT) 6040 986 30H1484 6,749 IBM ThinkPad 820 (No operating system) 6040 006 30H1487 5,699 IBM ThinkPad 820 (AIX) 6040 017 30H1491 7,649 IBM ThinkPad 820 (NT) 6040 026 30H1489 5,999 Options Available Part Purchase Option Number Price ThinkPad Power Series 540MB Hard Disk 30H1388 $ 899 ThinkPad Power Series 810MB Hard Disk 30H1392 1,299 ThinkPad Power Series 1.2GB Hard Disk 30H1467 1,749 ThinkPad Power Series 50W AC Adapter (U.S.) 30H1403 99 ThinkPad Power Series Travel Quick Charger U.S. 30H1373 199 NiMH Battery Pack U.S. 30H1369 149 Personal Microphone 12H1504 49 Black Three-Button Mouse 30H1519 49 Publications Order Purchase Title Number Price IBM ThinkPad 820 User's Guide S30H-2385 $16.00 IBM ThinkPad 820 Program Pack CD-ROM S30H-2384 36.50 IBM ThinkPad 820 and 850 Spec Sheet G221-4406 .55 IBM PC Power Series Brochure G520-7161 1.50 Hardware Maintenance Manual S30H-2388 3.50 Alternative Service Charges ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option $99 Annual Minimum Maintenance Charges ThinkPad EasyServ $560 (1) Trademark of Ziff Communications Company and is used by IBM Corporation under license. (2) Registered trademark in the United States and other countries licensed exclusively through X/Open Company Limited. Marketing Assistant Attachment +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |IBM HARDWARE - MARKETING ASSISTANT ATTACHMENT| |LETTER NO: 195-179 ANNOUNCE DATE: JUNE 19, 1995| +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ IBM ThinkPad Power Series 820 and Supporting Options Deliver Power and Flexibility for Mobile Users Marketing Assistants Information Marketing Assistant Profile: The products being announced are added to the applicable category of the Profiles applicable to the Marketing Assistant relationships for which compensation is specified in each Marketing Assistant Exhibit. Marketing Assistant Exhibit: Marketing Assistants are authorized to market the products being announced and the compensation for each relationship is as specified in the "Other Machines" section of the compensation table for the announcing division, or as otherwise specified in the Exhibit. Demonstration Discount: 50% Internal Use Discount: 30% (not available to K-12 Marketing Assistants) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:44:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15363; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:44:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02347; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:30:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:30:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from venus.Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02310; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:30:00 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by venus.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id KAA02216; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:29:26 -0700 Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA25260; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:29:23 -0700 Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06872; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:29:24 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17422; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:30:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:30:07 -0700 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9506191730.AA17422@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Trackpoint history? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I noticed in the Power PC announcement they talk about the "TrackpointIII" anyone have a clear concise definition of what the Trackpoint I and II were? --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:51:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15686; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:51:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02909; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:37:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:37:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02898; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:37:54 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16260; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:38:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:38:37 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506191738.AA16260@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: PC expo when is PC expo From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 13:53:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16123; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:53:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03158; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:41:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:41:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03145; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:40:58 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16271; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:41:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:41:46 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506191741.AA16271@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: PowerPC thinkpad's the most interesting thing in this announcement to me is the expansion to 96MB, I wonder if this means that we finally can get past the 40MB barrier on 755's. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 14:11:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17604; Mon, 19 Jun 95 14:11:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04534; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:57:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:57:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04522; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:57:46 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16373; Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:58:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 13:58:36 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506191758.AA16373@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 14:31:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18425; Mon, 19 Jun 95 14:31:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06050; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:20:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:20:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06027; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:20:43 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA08470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:20:40 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA25223; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:21:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:21:07 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Message-Id: <9506191821.AA25223@yu1.yu.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: PC expo PC expo is from 9AM-5PM this Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at the Javitz convention center on 11th ave. and 34th street. It's pretty easy to get a free pass to the exhibits, I have an extra one if someone needs. The expensive stuff are the training seminars which started today. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 14:37:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18659; Mon, 19 Jun 95 14:37:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06553; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:28:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:28:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06543; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:28:17 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA08952 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:27:58 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41791; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:28:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:28:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 96MB on powerpc thinkpads In-Reply-To: <9506191821.AA25223@yu1.yu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It gets up to 96MB because you can get 32MB builtin and it has TWO IC DRAM sockets which have to have the same size cards in them for some reason. So 32 + two 32MB dram's gives you 96. Does anyone remember the reason why they went down from two sockets on the 700 and 720 to only one on the 750 and up? From what I recall it was not related to saving battery life but had something to do with the difficulty in adding the circuitry to address two dram cards on the 486 motherboard. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 14:52:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19739; Mon, 19 Jun 95 14:52:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06681; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:30:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:30:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06664; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:30:25 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02065; Mon, 19 Jun 95 12:29:43 MDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 12:29:43 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9506191829.AA02065@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: How to install new drivers for 360Cs > Also, I wonder whether the new drivers will clear > up the problems I am seeing when entering suspend or > hibernate mode while using my Zoltrix 14.4 PCMCIA > fax/modem. While running on battery, both suspend > and hibernate will cause the system to hang. On AC, > suspend is okay, but the system hangs after coming > back from hibernation. This seems to happen both in > DOS and in Windows. I don't believe that the problem is specific to your (or anyone's) particular modem. I was in contact with an IBM techie named Doug Staples (1-800-772-2227 ext. 1029) every day last week trying to resolve some of these same problems on a 360C running OS/2. He tried unsucessfully(!) to reproduce the suspend/resume problem, even though IBM has previously documented this problem per APAR # PJ15544. When pushed for a solution, he recommended that I send the machine in for a system board replacement, claiming that my machine must have a board with a different revision level than that which is coming off the production lines now. So, it would appear that there is no software solution to these various problems, and that the BIOS upgrade that IBM has been promising for months now will likely do nothing to address these issues. If these bugs/glitches really bother you, I would recommend that you get in contact with Doug at the number given above while this is still fresh in his mind. Perhaps a new system board is in order for you, too. If your machine is new, you might think about returning it for a new one, as I believe replacement parts are generally refurbished rather than brand new. Doug mentioned to me that he might try swapping the system board in my machine with the one in his company loaner so as to avoid complications in getting approval from his supervisor. Is it just me, or does this sound Mickey Mouse? Maybe I accidentally dialed Packard Bell instead... Good luck in solving your problems. -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 14:53:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19775; Mon, 19 Jun 95 14:53:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07096; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:36:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:36:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07084; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:36:38 -0400 Received: from lcs-m5 by lcs-m5.mgh.harvard.edu ; 19 JUN 95 14:37:18 EDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 14:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Bormel Subject: Stacker on the TP755 CX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506191758.AA16373@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Is anyone using DOS/OS2 stacker with the thinkpad? Stacker appears to be pre-loaded for DOS in the C:\dos\stacker directory. Do we have to buy the full OS2 stacker and are they compatible? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 15:32:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22236; Mon, 19 Jun 95 15:32:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10402; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:19:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:19:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sgi.sgi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10389; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 15:19:03 -0400 Received: from tryada.engr.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) for <@sgi.sgi.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu> id MAA19143; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 12:19:00 -0700 Received: by tryada.engr.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id LAA29719; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:17:33 -0700 From: "Wes Embry" Message-Id: <9506191117.ZM29717@tryada.engr.sgi.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 11:17:30 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: SUBSCRIBE Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -- Wes Embry 1-875 wes@wpd.sgi.com Silicon Graphics, Inc. Off:(415) 390-1563 Visual Magic Division Fax:(415) 390-6056 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 16:26:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25910; Mon, 19 Jun 95 16:26:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14768; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:07:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:07:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14758; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:07:04 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09931 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:16 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA07618 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199506192006.NAA07618@shell1.best.com> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Based on information from IBM's WWW page, they show the 1.2Gb drive as part# 85GB561. I believe the last time I looked, the list price was $1795.00 (gee...great price IBM...thanks). ;-) The new issue of Byte magazine discusses 1Gb+ hard drives for laptops and indicates that the IBM 1.2 Gb (available late June) will sell to laptop "manufacturers" for $790.00 (I assume in quantity). Byte also indicates that other manufacturers, including Toshiba are expected to release 1Gb+ laptop drives by August. I think I can get by with my 810Mb drive for awhile and wait for prices to drop to a more reasonable level. _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ "You're only dollars away" ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 17:19:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29126; Mon, 19 Jun 95 17:19:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19039; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:57:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:57:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from greece.elab.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19026; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:57:44 -0400 Received: (stevens@localhost) by greece.elab.columbia.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4.elab) id QAA15464; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:57:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 16:57:36 -0400 From: stevens@elab.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens) Message-Id: <199506192057.QAA15464@greece.elab.columbia.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: brush with greatness kudos to Keith Moore on being quoted in today's (Mon. 6/19) NY Times regarding the Exon bill... --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 21:08:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14758; Mon, 19 Jun 95 21:08:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05647; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:00:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:00:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05634; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:00:50 -0400 Received: from ts8-12.inforamp.net by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA19586; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:59:58 +0500 Message-Id: <9506200059.AA19586@inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@micomtech.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 19:56:55 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: valliant@micomtech.com (Hugh Valliant) Subject: Fax modems Hi Rob I and my clients have had very good luck with U.S. Robotics as a fax/modem and Appex as a cellular fax/modem at both 14.4 and 28.8 logging into various BBSs and the Internet. Both manufacturers and type have loaded without any problems... Cheers Hugh >Good day: > > While I'm in question-asking mode, does anyone have >experience with the Zoltrix PCMCIA modems. The unit >seems to work okay (expect the problem noted above) and >the 5-year warranty is attractive, but are there any >other things I should know? > ========================================== MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 Internet valliant@micomtech.com ========================================== ========================================== MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 Internet valliant@micomtech.com ========================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 21:51:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16823; Mon, 19 Jun 95 21:51:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08159; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:35:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:35:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08144; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:35:06 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA15888; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 20:35:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9506200135.AA15888@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 21:36:35 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 13:06:29 -0700 sandy@sandy.com wrote: >Based on information from IBM's WWW page, they show the 1.2Gb >drive as part# 85GB561. I believe the last time I looked, the >list price was $1795.00 (gee...great price IBM...thanks). ;-) For this price you could probably buy an 810MB hard drive, a PCMCIA SCSI adapter, and an external 1GB hard drive. It seems IBM's inept management still remains in control of one area at IBM -- pricing. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 22:09:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18026; Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:09:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09794; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:59:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:59:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09784; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:59:53 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29124; Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:00:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:00:42 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506200200.AA29124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? "It seems IBM's inept management still remains in control of one area at IBM -- pricing." this to me is an idiotic comment. A 1.2 gigabyte 2.5" disk is a pretty amazing gizmo, I find it perfectly reasonable to be paying $150/meg for something at this cutting edge of technology. Of course I know I can get a giant power hungry 1 gig disk for $350, but that is not what I need -- if I needed that I wouldn't have a thinkpad in the first place! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 19 22:10:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18038; Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:10:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10024; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:01:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:01:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10013; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:01:26 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29138; Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:02:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:02:12 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506200202.AA29138@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? another way to put the 1.2 gigi price into perspective is that this is considerably less than I spent on an 810 meg 2.5" disk less than a year ago. There are not many businesses where prices continue to fall this rapidly. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 00:36:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26918; Tue, 20 Jun 95 00:36:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18958; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:20:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:20:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18946; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:20:02 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA08834; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:19:47 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA18430; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:19:46 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506200419.VAA18430@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: brush with greatness To: stevens@elab.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506192057.QAA15464@greece.elab.columbia.edu> from "Andy Stevens" at Jun 19, 95 04:57:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > kudos to Keith Moore on being quoted in today's (Mon. 6/19) NY Times > regarding the Exon bill... I don't get the NY Times--how about expounding a bit? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 00:36:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26923; Tue, 20 Jun 95 00:36:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18832; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:16:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:16:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18820; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:16:08 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA18673; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:15:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9506200415.AA18673@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 00:17:27 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? On Mon, 19 Jun 95 22:00:42 -0400 you wrote: >"It seems IBM's inept management still remains in control of one area >at IBM -- pricing." > >this to me is an idiotic comment. A 1.2 gigabyte 2.5" disk is a pretty >amazing gizmo, I find it perfectly reasonable to be paying $150/meg for >something at this cutting edge of technology. It still irks me that if you take a bare IBM OEM drive and compare the price to a Thinkpad "removable" hard drive, you're paying several hundred dollars for a plastic case and funky connector. I mean if they're selling it for $750 in quantity, but their price to us is $1750, that's well over a 100% profit margin, probably closer to 150%. Sorry if I got on anyone's nerves. I'm having a chronic money problem and I *need* to get some form of X-Windows running under OS/2, which IBM wants $140 for. My other option is to get Linux running, except my current drive doesn't have enough space. My old 170MB drive would do just fine, except IBM won't sell me a replacement case for it... Arrrgh... Sometimes it makes me think I should just dump OS/2... :-) _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 00:51:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27759; Tue, 20 Jun 95 00:51:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19975; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:36:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:36:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19965; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:36:24 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA09871; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:36:13 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA20061; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:36:12 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506200436.VAA20061@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506200200.AA29124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 19, 95 10:00:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "It seems IBM's inept management still remains in control of one area > at IBM -- pricing." > > this to me is an idiotic comment. A 1.2 gigabyte 2.5" disk is a pretty > amazing gizmo, I find it perfectly reasonable to be paying $150/meg for > something at this cutting edge of technology. Of course I know I can get > a giant power hungry 1 gig disk for $350, but that is not what I need > -- if I needed that I wouldn't have a thinkpad in the first place! I couldn't agree with this. The 1 Gig Hard Drives I've seen are small, 3.5", less-than-1/2- height little items. Furthermore, they go for the $350-ish you mention. Now I agree that what we want is a smaller drive for our notebook machines--in a 2.5" factor, and I don't argue that it would typically cost more--but at nearly $1,795, 5 to 6 TIMES as much? Clearly, this is *way* overboard. 2 times--good. 3 times--okay. I think it not unreasonable to pay about $1 per meg for a specialty-type drive in a market where the going price is 35 to 40 cents per meg or less. But paying almost twice that premium at $1.80 per meg is pretty ridiculous. IBM Marketing (which generally oversees price setting) has regularly shown themselves to be pretty inept. This is just yet another example. Sometimes I wonder how the engineers who design these wonderful toys (the TP's are clearly winners--great products in a competetive marketplace) still have a job, given the masterful job of pricing the other bozos do. Anyone care to hazard a guess or make a list of the *many* items they might have sold a *lot* more of (and presumably still made a profit) if they had just priced them more reasonably? The TV Tuner comes to mind--I bought it when it was less than $400, thumbed my nose at it when it was over $1,000. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 00:55:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28155; Tue, 20 Jun 95 00:55:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20211; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:43:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:42:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20200; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:42:53 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA10286; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:42:42 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA20796; Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:42:41 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506200442.VAA20796@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506200202.AA29138@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 19, 95 10:02:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > another way to put the 1.2 gigi price into perspective is that this is > considerably less than I spent on an 810 meg 2.5" disk less than a year > ago. There are not many businesses where prices continue to fall this > rapidly. I guess I'm missing your point here... What does historical prices have to do with IBM's *current* pricing on this drive being so *far* out of whack with the current market? I just bought a 540 MB drive for my father and paid a meager $180 for it. While it may be nostalgic for me to point out that I paid over $1,200 for this same size drive just 3 years ago, its relevance stops right there at my nostalgia. Of course, if some foolish company were trying to sell this 540 MB drive for that > $1,000 price today, they'd be lucky to make a single sale. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 03:08:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07786; Tue, 20 Jun 95 03:08:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26467; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:55:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:55:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26452; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:55:40 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA09546; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:55:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199506200655.CAA09546@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Randal Whittle Cc: stevens@elab.columbia.edu (Andy Stevens), TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP), moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: brush with greatness In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 19 Jun 1995 21:19:45 PDT." <199506200419.VAA18430@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 02:55:31 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > I don't get the NY Times--how about expounding a bit? The Times quoted me from one of my posts to Usenet regarding the Senate's passage of the so-called Communications Decency Act (which I think of as net.censorship). The text they quoted was: ... Lately the press in this country has done a good job of stirring up Internet hysteria by printing grossly exagger- ated stories of porn. ... People panic and call their congresscritters. ... Not my best quote, but perhaps it's good that they didn't use one of my more rabid ones... Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 05:04:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12230; Tue, 20 Jun 95 05:04:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06361; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:54:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:54:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06351; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 04:54:29 -0400 Received: by FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA09064; Tue, 20 Jun 95 04:55:20 EDT Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 04:55:20 EDT From: fox@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (David Fox) Message-Id: <9506200855.AA09064@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <199506200436.VAA20061@aludra.usc.edu> References: <9506200200.AA29124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> <199506200436.VAA20061@aludra.usc.edu> Randal Whittle writes: > Now I agree that what we want is a smaller drive for our notebook > machines--in a 2.5" factor, and I don't argue that it would typically cost > more--but at nearly $1,795, 5 to 6 TIMES as much? > > Clearly, this is *way* overboard. 2 times--good. 3 times--okay. I > think it not unreasonable to pay about $1 per meg for a specialty-type > drive in a market where the going price is 35 to 40 cents per meg or less. > But paying almost twice that premium at $1.80 per meg is pretty ridiculous. > > IBM Marketing (which generally oversees price setting) has regularly > shown themselves to be pretty inept. This is just yet another example. > Sometimes I wonder how the engineers who design these wonderful toys > (the TP's are clearly winners--great products in a competetive marketplace) > still have a job, given the masterful job of pricing the other bozos do. As much as we'd all like to buy 1.2 gig notebook hard disks for rock bottom prices direct from IBM the minute they roll out of the research labs, I don't think their decision not to get into this type of commodity market constitutes marketing ineptitude. For quite a few people these prices are worth paying. For those of us who can't afford them, IBM is prudent enough to let us wait a month or two. If you think this is a mistake you should check IBM's recent quarterly reports to its stockholders. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 08:26:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20543; Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:26:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21099; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:16:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:16:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21089; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:16:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199506201216.IAA21089@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Off subject a little To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:16:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randall King" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, With all of the high powered 8xx series machines out there, I feel ashamed to have a question about the lowly TP700. Does anyone know where I can get a list of vendors that sell equipment for the 700's? Our company has a couple hundred of the babies, and we are looking to upgrade some of them to larger (340M?) hard drives. Does anyone know of a manufacturer of drives for them, or a company that may still stock stuff for the 700's? Thanks... Randall (no not that one, the lurking one) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 09:09:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23169; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:09:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24467; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:59:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:58:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24449; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 08:58:54 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18017; Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:59:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:59:29 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506201259.AA18017@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU it always amazes me when people think they know how to price things. I note that Randy Whittle is in the graduate school of business, so no doubt you understand pricing, but just because *you* are willing to buy the TV tuner at $400 and not $1000 is NOT a measure of market elasticity, and of course you have no idea what the devlopment costs or even the cost of manufacture is. " The 1 Gig Hard Drives I've seen are small, 3.5", less-than-1/2- height little items. Furthermore, they go for the $350-ish you mention." So what, there is a HUGE difference between a 9 mm 2.5" disk and a 12mm 3.5" disk (like a factor of 2). So that means that density wise, a 1.2 gig 2.5" disk has the same technology as a 3.5" 3 gig disk, and not suprisingly, they are in the same ballpark price wise. As a consumer, you may think in dollars/megabyte, but the manufacturing cost and design difficulty is related to the density of information, notthenot the size of the platter. There is a huge demand for these 1.2 gig disks at the (very reasonable) price that IBM is asking, and I would guess that they can sell all of them that they can make. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 09:13:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23701; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:13:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25112; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:05:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:05:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25094; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:05:08 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18134; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:05:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:05:56 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506201305.AA18134@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU " What does historical prices have to do with IBM's *current* pricing on this drive being so *far* out of whack with the current market?" You have not given a shred of evidence that this is "out of whack" with the current market. That would be hard to do, as IBM is leading this market technologically, so right now, there are no comparison points. Minaturization is expensive. Note that this is a thinkpad list. The thinkpad has the same power and features as a desktop model that costs one third of the price, but minaturizing things is expensive, and as you note (moans about availability of thinkpads being common on this list and elsewhere), people are climbing over one another to get the thinkpads at the prices charged. You remind me of people who know that they can go to Florida for $89 round trip if they book three months in advance and stay a week, and then are outraged when they decide to go on one hour notice, and pay 6 times that amount. Different products and technology are not directly comparable, comparing price per megabte on big and small disks is plain nonsense. Now of course you may say, well I don't want a small disk if its that expensive. Fine, that's up to you, but lots of us need the maximum disk space on a notebok and are willing to pay the price, which is good, since it provides the funding to keep this technology marching forward. Personally, if there were a 3 gigi 2.5" disk at $3000 or so, I would order it immediately. I understand that not everyone needs this much space, or can afford it, but clearly if you DO need this much space, you have to be preapred to pay for the advanced technology that syupports it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 09:49:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25315; Tue, 20 Jun 95 09:49:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27597; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:38:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:38:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27575; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:38:28 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA89096; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:38:24 GMT Message-Id: <199506201338.AA89096@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip34-203.il.us.ibm.net(129.37.34.203) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaNQACrx; Tue Jun 20 13:38:13 1995 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 06:31:04 PDT From: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net (Stephen Hosmer) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Stephen Hosmer's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Message form I keep getting mail that does not have the list address as the first To: entry. This is rather inconvenient as I have a filter to automaticly handle list mail. It would be greatly appreciated if people could use the list address FIRST. ________________________________ Stephen Hosmer shosmer@ibm.net Does anybody want to buy this 750C? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 10:12:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26784; Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:12:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29917; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:01:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:01:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29907; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:01:48 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id KAA29049; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:06:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <9506191758.AA16373@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I presume you mean the 2.5. I haven't found one yet. I finally surrendered to availability and economic reality and ordered a Quantum yesterday. I expect to have it tomorrow, and it's a 540M drive which I paid $440 for including FedEx 2nd Day shipping. They claim that it's 17mm, I suppose I will find out.... All the 810s I looked at which met the criteria were $1 per Mb, and I decided I couldn't justify that much additional cost. I've tweaked the Road Warrior Outpost (there's a link to them off my homepage) about getting the low form factor Toshibas, when I hear from them I'll let everyone know. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix with my hands..." FM's Batman ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 10:21:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27088; Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:21:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00678; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:09:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:08:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00668; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:08:58 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id KAA29455; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:13:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:13:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Robert Dewar Cc: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <9506200200.AA29124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > "It seems IBM's inept management still remains in control of one area > at IBM -- pricing." > > this to me is an idiotic comment. I am presuming that we are all out of elementary school, so can we dispose with the practice of insulting each other? I find it more than a little objectionable and it signifigantly lowers my opinion of the people tossing the insults around. I don't expect anyone else to care about my opinion of them, but I prefer to associate with people I respect. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix with my hands..." FM's Batman ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 10:21:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27089; Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:21:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00760; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:10:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:10:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailhost.primenet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00727; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:10:02 -0400 Received: from usr2.primenet.com (usr2.primenet.com [198.68.32.12]) by mailhost.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-h2.0) with ESMTP id HAA03292 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:09:42 -0700 Received: (bogrow@localhost) by usr2.primenet.com (8.6.11/wjp-c2.0) id HAA16005; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:09:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 07:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bogrow To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <9506200200.AA29124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 19 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > I find it perfectly reasonable to be paying $150/meg In that case, I've got a very nice drive I can let you have for $180,000. == Paul Bogrow bogrow@primenet.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 10:22:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27651; Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:22:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00962; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:12:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:12:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00951; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 10:12:16 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA20656; Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:13:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 10:13:00 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506201413.AA20656@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, dwhite@shadow.net Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU OK, sorry, it would never occur to me to take someone calling one of my posts idiotic as an insult -- but I realize other people have thinner skings, and will try to moderate language in future :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 11:41:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03757; Tue, 20 Jun 95 11:41:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09919; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:29:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:29:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09908; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:29:33 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03809 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:26:03 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506201426.JAA03809@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 09:26:02 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9506200415.AA18673@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Jun 20, 95 00:17:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >this to me is an idiotic comment. A 1.2 gigabyte 2.5" disk is a pretty > >amazing gizmo, I find it perfectly reasonable to be paying $150/meg for > >something at this cutting edge of technology. Actually, I find this an idiotic comment. If the drive is sold at $750 in quantity, there is no reason for us to pay over twice that except for the fact that some idiots are willing to pay the price (and probably have their department's money at their disposal). > Sorry if I got on anyone's nerves. I'm having a chronic money problem You certainly didn't get on my nerves. I think you were quite justified in your opinion (as we all are). And perhaps if we all felt that way, IBM would reduce their prices at least to a reasonably high level (rather than ludicrously high level). > Arrrgh... Sometimes it makes me think I should just dump OS/2... :-) Nyah, unless you're going to use Linux of course. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 13:07:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10727; Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:07:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15451; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:39:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:39:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15441; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:39:15 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA23565 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:39:08 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27686; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:39:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP 755CDV Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII IBM just keeps churning them out for the PC expo IBM ThinkPad 755CDV Features CD-ROM and Overhead Projection Capability Announced on June 20, 1995 HARDWARE Announcement 195-216 In Brief . . . You can display information from your notebook LCD directly on an overhead projection screen and also have a removable 5.25-inch CD-ROM. Other key reasons to consider the ThinkPad 755CDV include: o VGA resolution with 64K color support o A fast IntelDX4-100MHz processor o Large-capacity 540MB* or 810MB hard disk standard; optional 1.2GB* hard disk o 8MB standard memory expandable to 40MB o Infrared wireless file and data transfer, plus IR Mind Path** Remote Control o SelectaSystem capability for choosing from preinstalled operating systems: OS/2 Warp 3.0, IBM PC DOS 7, and Windows 3.11 o Programmable Mwave(R) digital signal processor (DSP) subsystem for audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony (answering machine/speakerphone) Technical Support o ThinkPad EasyServ warranty o International Warranty Service o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) * MB = million bytes and GB = 1000 million bytes when referring to hard disk. ---------------------------------------- To make a presentation, you no longer have to carry transparencies or a costly attachment for your computer. The ThinkPad(R) 755CDV has a new, innovative LCD display and built-in CD-ROM that highlights the 755CDV system. By removing the cover on the LCD, the LCD becomes transparent. When the system with its still-attached transparent LCD is placed on an overhead projector, information on the LCD is directly displayed on the projection screen. The ThinkPad 755CDV is equipped with a wireless remote controller, which uses the IR capability of the system, and advanced presentation software that help you generate impressive presentations and navigate through them. For example, with a touch of a button on a remote controller, you can magnify, spotlight, or highlight the screen to emphasize important information. A ThinkPad 755CDV system combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions can easily become your primary personal computer, providing an alternative to a desktop system unit. Even without the docking solution, the ThinkPad 755CDV easily serves as a primary system with its large color display, high-capacity hard disk, large RAM capability, local bus video, high-performance microprocessor, and two Type II or one Type III PCMCIA slots. Host connectivity is attained with PCMCIA cards. SelectaSystem(TM) allows you to choose between DOS, Windows+, or OS/2(R) Warp operating systems. If you choose to use OS/2 Warp, you can run multiple DOS, Windows, and OS/2 applications at the same time without conflict. Plus, you can take advantage of the BonusPak applications that come with OS/2 Warp, including IBM Works and an Internet access kit with everything you need to travel the information superhighway via the IBM Global Network. The ThinkPad Pentium Upgrade (755CD) optional features allow you to upgrade the 755CDV system processor from the IntelDX4**-100MHz to the Intel** Pentium** 75MHz processor for increased performance. The IBM ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit optional feature allows the use of overhead projectors that have more than a 575 Watt bulb or exceed 6,000 lumens by providing additional cooling to prevent damage to the ThinkPad 755CDV or 755CV. Single Unit Price: $7,099 (9545-ABJ); $7,549 (9545-ABK) Planned Availability Date: June 20, 1995 (systems); July 31, 1995 (ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit) (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation ** Company, product, or service name may be a trademark or service mark of others. DESCRIPTION Everything you need to make a quality presentation is neatly packaged in a compact 6.5 pound notebook. By removing the cover from the back of the display panel, the panel becomes transparent. By opening the panel to 180 degrees and placing the system on an overhead projector, you can display images just as they appear on your ThinkPad screen -- in over 64,000 colors. The 5.25-inch CD-ROM drive has XA (extended architecture), double-speed (150/300 Kbps), and multisession Photo CD, plus you get the following: o Enhanced video card o Stereo speakers o MIDI/joystick port IBM ThinkPad 755CDV at a Glance o IntelDX4-100MHz processor o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB using DIMM memory modules and the Memory Module Adapter) o High-capacity hard disks: 540MB or 810MB standard; optional 1.2GB hard disk o Removable 5.25-inch CD-ROM, enhanced video, and stereo speakers o NiMH battery pack (optional LI-Ion battery pack) o Local bus video with acceleration o Mwave DSP subsystem o 14.4 Kbps data/fax modem o Built-in microphone and speaker o Dial volume control o Infrared (IR) o TrackPoint III o Full complement of ports for peripheral connections o 240-pin docking connector o Removable 1.44MB floppy diskette drive o Type III PCMCIA slot o Large 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) active matrix display (640 x 480 resolution VGA) o Preinstalled software: OS/2 Warp 3.0 with BonusPak applications, PC DOS 7, and Windows 3.11 operating systems preinstalled with SelectaSystem capability, plus a suite of applications preinstalled for the user to choose from o Onscreen electronic personalization o Compatibility with previous ThinkPad 755 systems and IBM docking options These ThinkPad 755CDV advanced-function models bring you innovative technology, instant productivity with preinstalled software, and outstanding service and support. ThinkPad 755CDV Features LCD Display: These models have the 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) Thin Film Transistor (TFT) display with VGA resolution. This bright, TFT Active Matrix display provides superior viewing capability and lessens the glare indoors. The 755CDV features the new LCD technology providing data projection capability. By removing the LCD cover and putting the computer on an overhead projector, information on the LCD screen is projected on a larger screen. When the LCD cover is installed, this LCD serves as a regular 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) TFT screen. With the appropriate display driver installed, up to 65,536 simultaneous colors can be displayed. Depending on work surface area of the overhead projector and/or projection-table design, the 755CDV may be difficult to put on the overhead projector so that information is projected right-side-up. It is possible to rotate information on the LCD screen by using a video driver setup. Information can be projected right-side-up by rotating information on the LCD, and putting the ThinkPad on the overhead projector on the side with more space on it. This rotate function is supported for Windows. OS/2 Warp Version 3 support for a rotate video driver will be available during 1995. Processor: At the heart of this system is the IntelDX4-100MHz processor with an internal cache and floating-point processor, providing exceptional performance. The IBM ThinkPad Pentium 75MHz Upgrade option is also available for the 755CD and 755CDV systems. Memory: These systems are designed to use parity memory. The system comes standard with 8MB RAM, upgradeable to a total of 40MB using DIMM memory modules with the Memory Module Adapter. The system memory can exceed 24MB when using IC DRAM cards larger than 16MB. This high-capacity and fast memory (70ns) can handle almost any application the mobile professional may have to execute. PCMCIA: The Type III slot can accommodate either two Type I, or two Type II, or one Type III PC card. If additional PCMCIA cards are required, the optional ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge can be placed in the ThinkPad 755CDV ThinkPad UltraBay providing an additional Type III slot. The ThinkPad UltraBay not only can accommodate this option, but it can also house the optional 2.88MB diskette drive (FDD). IBM PC Card Director software is preinstalled and provides support for the latest PCMCIA standard, 2.1. This software enables many PCMCIA cards, allowing the user to simply plug in the card. PC Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: PC Card Director helps you get status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in the system. In addition, on OS/2 and on Microsoft** Windows, PC Card Director can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enable supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. Supported PCMCIA cards by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver are listed in the Compatibility and Supported Products section. Keyboard and TrackPoint III: The keyboard has the familiar ThinkPad layout with a function key capability, allowing you to quickly access system functions, like power management control. The keyboard lifts up, allowing access to the FDD bay, HDD bay, and battery for quick upgrades or battery changes. The TrackPoint III is an enhanced Trackpoint(TM) II with improved non-slip TrackPoint cap and more accurate pointing capability through improved software. The "drag and drop" function of the click buttons is enhanced. You can lock and hold the buttons in without having to keep pushing on them. Storage: The standard, customer-installable hard drive is 540MB or 810MB. An optional 1.2GB hard drive is available. The drive is easily removed by lifting up the keyboard. You can have multiple "systems" by installing a different hard drive. Systems can also be shared by users who have their own hard drive but no ThinkPad system unit. A 1.44MB FDD drive comes standard. The ThinkPad UltraBay, also standard with the system, is an intelligent bay that switches its pinout signals to allow the installation of an FDD or PCMCIA cartridge in what would normally be just the floppy diskette drive bay. The 755CDV comes with a 5.25-inch CD-ROM with XA (extended architecture), double-speed (150/300 Kbps), in the ThinkPad UltraBay instead of the diskette drive. IBM Mwave Digital Signal Processor (DSP): The Mwave MDSP2780 operates at up to 60 million operations per second for integrating audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony into a DSP. Features and benefits include: o 44.1KHz MPC-2 16-bit audio with real-time compression o Simultaneous audio play and record o Digital audio mixing with up to eight open .WAV sources o General MIDI-compatible, 32-voice wavetable synthesizer o Sound Blaster** support o 14.4 Kbps data/fax modem o Full-featured telephone - Answering machine with variable speed message playback and voice compression - Hands-free, full-duplex speakerphone This feature set can be enhanced simply by upgrading the DSP software. Audio/Video/CD-ROM: The audio capability on the system board (DSP) and the integrated microphone allow voice annotation and audio capability. The system is equipped with audio in/out jacks for stereo speakers/headphone and external microphone. A separate dial volume control is located to the rear of the keyboard on the system. The 755CDV systems have VESA local bus support with video acceleration, providing exceptional video performance. With its own advanced functions, the 755CDV also has the same integrated functions as the 755CD, including: o 5.25-inch CD-ROM drive - XA (extended architecture), double-speed (150/300 Kbps) - Multisession Photo CD o Enhanced video card providing for: - Additional video acceleration (interpolative scaling or smoothing) - Composite IN and S-Video IN for still image, motion video capture, and overlay - Composite OUT and S-Video OUT to TV Note: NTSC and PAL protocols are supported. o Stereo speakers - .5W each - Located on the keyboard above the function keys o MIDI/joystick port The addition of the above functions allows the 755CDV to comply with the MPC-2 multimedia standard. The 755CDV has the same preinstalled software as the 755CV, with the following additions: o Digital Video Producer from Asymetrix to perform video overlay and still image/video capture with the Enhanced Video card o ThinkPad Multimedia Library -- an assortment of CD-ROMs to take advantage of the integrated CD-ROM drive. The "Microsoft Home CD Sampler with Custom Windows Entertainment Pack" will be part of the ThinkPad Multimedia Library while supplies last. The CD-ROM drive fits into the ThinkPad UltraBay and is mutually exclusive with the floppy diskette drive. To use the floppy diskette internally, the CD-ROM drive must first be taken out, which is easily done. To use the internal CD-ROM and the FDD simultaneously, the FDD external enclosure and one of the four docking solutions are required. Note: The CDPD Mobile Communications module cannot be used in the ThinkPad 755CDV system. Infrared (IR): The use of IR has been greatly enhanced by the incorporation of Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro software on all models and the inclusion of the IR Mind Path Remote Control with the 755CDV. This combination of Mind Path products on the 755CDV allows the system to be controlled remotely through the use of the wireless IR capability during presentations. It also enables the use of effects such as magnify, spotlight, and telestrator to be added to the screen during presentations. The system has IR transceivers in front and back for wireless file and data transfer. The ThinkPad 755CDV is designed for compliance with the IrDA (Infrared Data Association) IR data link specification Version 1.0. The system supports three modes of operation: o IBM mode (from 57.6 Kbps to 1.15 Mbps) o HP** mode (from 9600 bps to 115 Kbps) o Sharp** mode (9600 bps) Preinstalled software provides wireless file transfer, file synchronization, and clip board data transfer. With the infrared feature, data can be exchanged with the following systems by using the following vendor software packages: Systems Software Omnibook 300** LapLink Remote Access** HP 100LX** Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX** Sharp Wizard** PC Interface Software, 9000 Link for PCs OZ-990(W)** When using the infrared feature to communicate with this system, the communications distance may be shorter than when communicating with another ThinkPad 755CDV, 755CV, 755CE, 755CSE, or 755CD depending on the capabilities of the other systems. The ThinkPad 755CDV is shipped with the IR Mind Path Model 55 Wireless Remote Controller Kit and Presentation F/X Pro software. The remote mouse controller communicates with ThinkPad native IR ports (115 Kbps modulation). The remote controller has mouse disk and click buttons to provide full mouse-compatible movement and clicking operation. Special buttons of the remote controller are useful to perform special effects, such as highlight, magnify, and spotlight on projected presentation. Special effects are performed by Presentation F/X Pro software preinstalled on the hard disk drive. It is possible to change the selection of effects and characteristics by using the setup screen of the Presentation F/X Pro software. At time of shipment, mouse function is supported for DOS, Windows, and OS/2. Special effect by the Presentation F/X Pro is supported for Windows. Presentation F/X Pro upgrade to OS/2 is presented by the Mind Path Technologies in Dallas, Texas. For more details, call 214-233-9296 for customer support sponsored by the Mind Path Technologies. Warranty service for the Mind Path Remote Controller is provided by Mind Path Technologies and is a customer-direct return item. Refer to the information included in the 755CDV shipping carton, or contact Mind Path Technologies at the above number. Other Features: The use of system memory by BIOS, for example, is significantly reduced. BIOS uses 96KB of system memory (video, 32KB -- all other, 64KB). The system has the full complement of ports (enhanced parallel port, SVGA, pointer-keyboard, and serial). In addition, a 240-pin connector supports the four IBM docking solutions: o Dock I -- portable docking with a slot and bay o Dock II -- desktop docking with slots, bays, and PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator I -- cable manager with a Type III PCMCIA slot or Type II PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator II -- cable manager only An RJ11 jack is also included because the DSP provides data/fax modem capability with speeds up to 14.4 Kbps. New Options for ThinkPad 755CDV The ThinkPad 755CDV system supports most of the options that were announced with the ThinkPad 755CD, 755CE, and 755CSE systems. The IBM ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit optional feature allows the use of overhead projectors that have more than a 575 Watt bulb or exceed 6,000 lumens by providing additional cooling to prevent damage to the ThinkPad 755CDV or 755CV. PRODUCT POSITIONING The ThinkPad 755CDV systems are positioned as one of the highest full-function notebook computers in IBM's family of mobile portable systems. PUBLICATIONS The IBM ThinkPad 755CDV User's Guide is shipped with the product. The following publications and diskettes are available for separate purchase. To order, call the IBM Software Manufacturing Solution Hotline at 800-879-2755. Order Part Publication Number Number IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference 755CX/CV/CDV S19H-1158 30H1652 IBM ThinkPad 755CDV User's Guide S30H-1657 30H1657 IBM ThinkPad 755CDV Diskettes Group (1) S30H-1658 30H1658 IBM ThinkPad 755 Mwave DSP Diskettes (2) S30H-1734 30H1734 IBM ThinkPad Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 IBM ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Specification Sheet G221-4392 The diskettes group contains the following: o IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette (1) o IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Features Diskette (1) o IBM ThinkPad Video Features Diskette (1) o IBM ThinkPad Infrared Features Diskette (1) o IBM ThinkPad CD-ROM Driver Diskette (1) o IBM ThinkPad Enhanced Video Features Diskette (1) o IBM ThinkPad Mwave DSP Features Diskette (2) The Technical Reference is for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 755CDV system unit in greater detail. The publication includes functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pinouts for peripheral connectors. Service Publications (manuals and diskettes) Order Part Publication Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 30H2357 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for IBM ThinkPad computers. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a FRU, related service procedures, and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Standard Battery Shipped with the 755CDV: The NiMH battery's approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours Power off/suspend charging 1.2 Charging during operation 1.7 Travel Quick Charger 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation (range)(1) 3.0 to 9.0 Optional Feature Battery Pack: The Li-Ion battery's approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.0 Charging during operation 2.0 to 2.5 Travel Quick Charger 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation (range)(1) 3.5 to 11.0 (1) The actual range may vary based on power management, applications used, frequency of keystrokes, options used, or system configuration. Physical Specifications Approximate(2) Dimensions/Weight o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in.) o Depth: 210.0 mm ( 8.3 in.) o Height: 57.1 mm ( 2.2 in.) o Weight: 3.4 kg (7.45 lb) with NiMH battery pack and CD-ROM drive o Li-Ion battery pack: 400 g (0.88 lb) o NiMH battery pack: 540 g (1.19 lb) o FDD: 213 g (0.47 lb) (2) Actual specifications may vary based on features, vendor components, or manufacturing process. Electrical Specifications o Universal AC adapter: 100-240 V AC, 2.0 A, 50/60Hz o NiMH battery pack: 8.4 V, 3.5 AH, 1800mAH/cell, 14-cell/pack o LI-Ion battery pack: 10.8 V, 2.8 AH, 710mAH/cell, 12-cell/pack Heat Dissipation o 136 Btu/hr maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage o -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) Relative Humidity for Shipping and Storage o 5% to 95% RH Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position): 40 dB (operating) o Sound power level: 5.1 Bels (operating); 4.8 Bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in Bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements are made in accordance with ANSI S12.10, and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment Air temperature: 0 -- 8,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 35(degs)C (41(degs) to 95(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 35(degs)C (50(degs) to 95(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs)F to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C (85(degs)F) Air temperature: 8,000 -- 10,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 88(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (50(degs) to 88(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C (78(degs)F) Note: The maximum temperature with system on is linearly decreased >from 8,000 ft to 10,000 ft. Overhead Projection: The ambient temperature when using the 755CDV on an overhead projector should be within the following range: 0 -- 8000 ft o Without diskette operation -- 5(degs) to 30(degs)C (41(degs) to 86(degs)F) o With diskette operation -- 10(degs) to 30(degs)C (50(degs) to 86(degs)F) 8000 -- 10,000 ft o Without diskette operation -- 5(degs) to 26.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 79(degs)F) o With diskette operation -- 10(degs) to 26.3(degs) (50(degs) to 79(degs)F) Relative Humidity o Operating: 8% to 95% RH (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% RH (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% RH Altitude o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 meters) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO85G169 (755CDV) - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 dB) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO o AC/DC Adapter Approvals - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - SA - SEV - OVE - DENTORI - NOM Software Requirements: The following operating systems support ThinkPad 755CDV systems. Refer to the Limitations section for support issues unique to each operating system. o IBM PC DOS 7, J6.3/V o IBM OS/2 Warp Version 3 o IBM OS/2 Warp, Japanese Version 3.0 o IBM OS/2 2.11 o MS-DOS** 6.22 o Microsoft Windows 3.11/J3.1 o Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11 Systems software supported: o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 4.0(3) o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 4.0(3) o IBM Communications Manager/2 Version 1.1 o IBM Database/2 OS/2 Version 1.0 (3) Client function portion only was tested. Compatibility and Supported Products Refer to the 9545 Sales Manual pages, or contact your IBM representative, for a complete list of supported features and options and compatible IBM and vendor software. The Sales Manual is updated periodically. The ThinkPad 755CDV systems are designed to be compatible with the PS/2(R). The ThinkPad 755CDV systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their Flash ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of the ThinkPad 755CDV systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Devices Supported -- PCMCIA: ThinkPad 755CDV systems conform to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification Release 2.1, dated July 1993. Other PCMCIA adapters that comply with the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Specification Release 2.01 may also function, but have not been tested by IBM. Feature Part Description Number Number IBM 3270 Emulation Credit Card Adapter 2812 0933315 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter II 8072 0933931 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base-T 3290 0934331 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base-2 3280 0934330 IBM 5250 Emulation PCMCIA Adapter 2808 92F3808 IBM RS-232 PCMCIA Serial Card 87G9250 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Tethered Transceiver 87G9740 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Integrated Transceiver 87G9743 IBM Mass Storage Card 5MB 70G7344 IBM Mass Storage Card 10MB 70G7345 IBM Mass Storage Card 15MB 70G7346 IBM 1MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7229 IBM 2MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7230 IBM Solid State File Card 5MB 40G3166 IBM Solid State File Card 10MB 40G3167 IBM Solid State File Card 20MB 40G3168 IBM Solid State File Card 30MB 40G3169 IBM Solid State File Card 40MB 40G3170 IBM 40MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 7559 70G8495 IBM 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 1901 32G4199 Limitations o Some special effects of the "Presentation F/X Pro," such as zoom and highlight, can prevent the display of motion video on the ThinkPad 755CDV. o The 180-degree rotation function of the video device driver is for 256-color and 640 x 480 resolution only. The video capturing function and simultaneous display (LCD and CRT) mode are not supported by 180-degree rotation video driver. o DOS programs are not supported by the 180-degree rotation video driver. The 180-degree rotation video driver support is only available when using applications under Windows 3.11. The 180-degree rotation driver for OS/2 Warp (native sessions or with WIN-OS/2(TM)) will be provided, when available, through the PCC BBS by calling 919-517-0001. o The OS/2 version of Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro is available. Information can be obtained by calling Mind Path Technologies, Inc., at 800-736-6830, or the PCC BBS at 919-517-0001. o Either the Mind Path IR remote controller device driver or the IBM IR device driver can be enabled at any time in the Windows SYSTEM.INI file. It is necessary to disable the Mind Path IR remote controller device driver when the ThinkPad IR port, or an application that uses the COM1 port for data transmittal is used as this port by the Mind Path Remote Controller. In the Infrared panel of the Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro setup program, click the "off" button in the Infrared box to disable the IR remote controller and enable the IBM IR driver. To use the remote controller, click on the ThinkPad Internal button. o If the ThinkPad enters suspend mode while a video is playing, when using Video for Windows and Presentation F/X Pro and the Mind Path Remote Controller, the ThinkPad may not resume properly. Close the Presentation F/X Pro software prior to suspending the system, if a video is playing. o Some optional features or applications may use the COM1 port. OS/2 Warp Version 3 will not load COM.SYS if the COM1 port is already in use. Only one such feature or application that uses the COM1 (for example, communications or PCMCIA) can be used at a time. For example, the Mind Path IR Remote Controller uses the COM1 port and this controller must be disabled to use another application that also uses COM1. o Some special effects of the Presentation F/X program are not effective during motion pictures and digital video playback that frequently access the video buffer. o A wavy pattern may appear if the lamp circuit noise of certain overhead projectors interferes with the 755CDV LCD display. A wavy pattern may appear on the LCD or/and projected information. Use an alternative overhead projector. o Do not use the 755CDV on an overhead projector that is specifically designed for very large magnification using extremely bright light source. The high temperature may cause hardware problems. Do not use overhead projectors with greater than 6,000 lumens, or a light source greater than a 575 Watt lamp. (Refer to Using the ThinkPad 755CDV with Overhead Projector section.) To prevent damage to the ThinkPad 755CDV or 755CV, the ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit optional feature is recommended for use with overhead projectors that have more than a 575 Watt bulb or exceed 6,000 lumens. o If the Pentium 75MHz processor upgrade has been installed in a 755CV or CDV, the use of the IBM ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit is recommended for use with overhead projectors that have a light bulb of 400 Watts or more, or greater than 3,000 lumens. o The Warp fixpak XR0W005 is required for audio, modem, and printer support if OS/2 Warp Version 3 needs to be reinstalled. o Fixpak XR_A087 is required for audio, data fax modem, and telephony functions under OS/2 2.11. Call 800-992-4777 to get these APAR fixes. o To install OS/2 2.11, OS/2 for Windows, or OS/2 Warp on the 755CDV from CD-ROM versions, the external FDD enclosure (66G3618) and either one of the following docking options are required: Port Replicator I, II, Dock I, or Dock II. o The 65,536 color driver is available in OS/2 Warp Version 3.0. The 65,536 color display driver for OS/2 2.11 or OS/2 for Windows can be obtained from the IBM OS/2 Bulletin Board. o The MIDI/joystick port on the ThinkPad 755CDV is not replicated on the IBM Docking Stations and Port Replicators. It is not usable while these options are being used. o Installation of the software update named WIN311.ZIP is required to use WIN-OS/2 session when OS/2 for Windows is used under Windows 3.11. This is currently available on the PCC BBS by calling 919-517-0001. The PCC BBS is available 24 hours a day on a toll-call basis with no access charge to the bulletin board. o When using the redirector feature of the Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX to exchange data over an infrared link at 115 Kbps, the ThinkPad 755CDV should be configured as the requestor. o Telephony and answering machine functions do not support PBX. o When using the 755CDV, video acceleration is not supported when the video output is shown on the TV. o When video playback using enhanced video is shown on the TV, the video will not show on the TFT display of the 755CDV. o Video performance is reduced when operating under the 64K color mode. o In some applications, color or brightness differences in the displayed image may occur between the LCD and CRT when Enhanced Video is enabled and "Video-in/no video equipment" is selected. In this case, disable Enhanced Video or select "Video-out." o The Mwave MDSP2780 (DSP) does not support cellular phone connection. o The system cannot enter the suspend/hibernation mode when the Sound Blaster emulation mode is enabled in a DOS environment. o IBM Enhanced Mouse (92G7457) cannot be used with TrackPoint III. When using the IBM Enhanced Mouse, TrackPoint III should be disabled. o When the MIDI/joystick port is used, it is recommended that the POWER.EXE and FUELDOS.COM be removed from the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS files. These files may cause intermittent incorrect movement of the joystick. o Continuous use of the HDD drive, such as reading long video files, will impact battery life. In the ThinkPad 755CDV, the use of the Enhanced Video function will also impact battery life. o The fifth PCMCIA slot cannot be identified by the IBM PC Card Director memory device driver when installing the IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Cartridge in the FDD bay of the system unit when the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator I or ThinkPad Dock II is attached. o The Cellular CDPD Communications Module cannot be used with the ThinkPad 755CDV systems. o ThinkPad 755CDV systems have one memory slot per system. - By using 2MB, 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM optional feature cards, up to 24MB of system memory is possible. Larger than 16MB IC DRAM cards may be available from IBM ThinkPad Proven(TM) vendors and can be used. - By using the DIMM technology, the IBM Memory Module Adapter and the 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB memory modules, up to 40MB of system memory is possible. o As the audio and communication features share the hardware resource of Mwave DSP, their concurrent usage has some restrictions. For example, when you are using any of the communication features, you cannot use the MIDI audio capability. o The system is designed so that the PCMCIA card can be installed or removed without turning off the system, if the PCMCIA card supports this function. Refer to the instructions that come with the PCMCIA card. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference that allows only one card to be used. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Also, point enablers may interfere with client device drivers that communicate with Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Additional testing in customer-specific environments is recommended. o PCMCIA diagnostics programs usually do not recognize slot numbers greater than two. To diagnose a suspected faulty card, make sure the PCMCIA card is in one of the PCMCIA slots of the system proper. o Point enablers usually do not support slot numbers above two. If using a PCMCIA card with a point enabler, make sure that the card is in the slots on the system proper. o A video capture adapter that requires VGA pass-through (video pass-through, VESA bus) is not supported by the 755CDV and the IBM Docking Stations. o The IBM 8516 Touch Screen Color Display and IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard require the TrackPoint III to be disabled before attaching it to the connector. To disable the TrackPoint III, follow the instructions provided in the User's Guide. o The IBM Keyboard/Mouse Connector accessory is required when attaching an external keyboard to the system via the external input device port. o The password prompt is not displayed when the computer resumes from partial suspend mode while it is attached to the IBM ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II. To operate, you will need to type the correct password. o If one of these systems is used with the IBM ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II, then, for the comfort and convenience of the user, the height of the system should be adjusted or an external keyboard should be used. Using the ThinkPad 755CDV with Overhead Projector: In a small to medium size room (for up to 50 people), the ThinkPad 755CDV can be used on an overhead projector with a light bulb of 400 Watts or less, or a luminance of up to 3,000 lumens. For a large room, an overhead projector with a light bulb of up to 575 Watts or 6,000 lumens can be used. If the light bulb is over 575 Watts or 6,000 lumens, do not use the 755CDV on that projector. The computer may be damaged due to the heat coming from the projector. Use of the IBM ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit is recommended when the overhead projector bulb is greater than 575 Watts or 6,000 lumens. Refer to the manual supplied with the projector to determine the lumens or check the wattage on the light bulb of the overhead projector. The ThinkPad Pentium Upgrade (755CD) optional feature allows you to upgrade the 755CDV system processor from the IntelDX4-100MHz to the Intel Pentium 75MHz processor for increased performance. If the Pentium 75MHz processor upgrade is installed in a 755CV or CDV, the use of the IBM ThinkPad 755CV/CDV Cooling Fan Kit is recommended for use with overhead projectors that have a light bulb of 400 watts or more or greater than 3,000 lumens. Suspend Mode Operational Considerations o Do not remove or install PC cards during suspend mode. o Suspend mode shuts off power to the PCMCIA sockets. o When using Windows 3.11, ensure that the Advanced Power Management (APM) is installed. o Non-disruptive battery exchange allows you to put the system in suspend mode and exchange battery packs without any loss of data or function. o During suspend mode, the maximum power output becomes 60mA at 12 V. During suspend mode, PCMCIA cards cannot consume more than 60mA at 12 V. Planning Information Cable Orders: All cables are included with the system. Installability: ThinkPad 755CDV systems require about 20 minutes for installation. Installation includes unpacking, setting up, and powering on the system. Additional time is required to install other memory and optional features. HelpWare(R) Support: HelpWare is a comprehensive set of offerings that provides you with a full range of service and support options to make your computing experience more productive and enjoyable. As part of a commitment to provide you with the support you require, IBM provides many complimentary HelpWare services during the warranty period of your IBM personal computer. Additional services are available from the HelpWare Support Family. For detailed information on HelpWare, refer to Services Announcement 694-029, dated October 17, 1994, or call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. Packaging o 9545-ABJ -- 85G1693 540MB, Warp/DOS/WIN/Apps plus o 9545-ABK -- 29H7999 810MB, Warp/DOS/WIN/Apps plus Shipment Group -- system unit carton contents: o System unit with U.S. English keyboard o AC adapter o Rechargeable battery pack (NiMH battery) o U.S. power cord o 755CDV User's Guide o U.S./Canadian warranty statement and FCC statement o ThinkPad Envelope Group - Customer registration form - International traveler's hardware warranty booklet - HelpCenter label Plus the following items: o 755CDV Product Map o PCMCIA security plate o PCMCIA CONN LID o TrackPoint III Cap (x3) o Adhesive tape eject memory card set o PSTN cable o Wall plug o Mind Path Remote Controller Kit o Strap o Computer stand o DC cable adapter Preinstalled mobile software envelope: o IBM PC DOS 7 English manual (without diskettes) o MS Windows 3.11 English manual (without diskettes) o OS/2 Warp Version 3.0 English Manual (without diskettes) o Monologue for Windows publication and diskette The following items are also included with IBM ThinkPad 755CDV: o FDD pack assembly o Bezel plate, blank o Bezel plate, FDD/TV tuner o Conversion cable, game port o Conversion cable, video in/out o Emergency eject pin for CD-ROM o Assorted CD-ROMs and brochures (ThinkPad Multimedia Library) The "Microsoft Home CD Sampler with Custom Windows Entertainment Pack" will be shipped as part of the ThinkPad Multimedia Library while supplies last. Accessories and/or Supplies: The following announced accessories are applicable to ThinkPad 755CDV: Part Accessories Number IBM ThinkPad 750 Key Guard 66G3685 IBM PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse Connector 54G0441 Security, Auditability, and Control Standard Security Features for 9545: The electronic personalization feature is like a name tag on your ThinkPad. Your name, contact address, or phone number can be displayed on the screen when the system is turned on. This helps if the ThinkPad is misplaced. Personal data is stored in the system's non-volatile memory and is displayed with a password prompt. Passwords o A Power-on Password (POP) protects the system from unauthorized use. If a POP is set, the password prompt appears: - Each time the system is turned on. - When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode. o A Supervisor Password provides a higher level of security than the POP. The Supervisor Password protects the system functions from being used by unauthorized users and protects the hardware configuration from unauthorized modification. The Supervisor Password prompt appears when the hardware configuration is changed. o An HDD Password (HDP) protects HDD data from unauthorized users. Once HDP is set, data on the HDD cannot be accessed without the correct HDP. Because the HDP is stored in the HDD, the data remains protected even if the HDD is removed to another system. The HDP password prompt appears: - Each time the system is turned on. - When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode. o The user can use the hook on the hard disk locking mechanism to leash with a user-selected padlock and chain or cable. o The user can attach the Kensington** lock to the keyhole on the side of the computer. This prevents the keyboard from opening and secures the internal devices under the keyboard. User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS This product is available for purchase under the terms of the IBM Customer Agreement (ICA). IBM Credit Corporation Financing: Term leases and installment payment plans are available for commercial and state and local government customers. Warranty Period o System Hardware (9545): Three years. An optional one-year warranty is available via special bid. o Mind Path IR55 Wireless Remote Control and Controller Kit are shipped with the 755CDV systems and are not warranted by IBM. Warranty, if any, is as provided by the product supplier. o System Battery: One year. o Optional Features: One year minimum, or the remaining warranty of the system in which the feature is installed. o Media: Three months. o IBM Programs: Three months. o Non-IBM Programs: Not warranted by IBM; warranty if any, is as provided by the program's supplier. Licensing: IBM programs included with ThinkPad 755CDV are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement and IBM System Programs License Agreement. A copy of these agreements is included in the documentation that ships with the system. Non-IBM Programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and conditions of the supplier apply and are included in the respective program packages in the documentation that ships with the system, and are passed on to the customer. Warranty Service ThinkPad EasyServ: Warranty service for the ThinkPad 755CDV will be provided by ThinkPad EasyServ. ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at your location and delivered to a IBM-designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to you. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If warranty service is required, you should call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for hardware and software. If a hardware problem is identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pick up the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. You should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pick up the system for delivery to the repair location. International Warranty Service: If you travel or need to move products to another country, you can register the products for IBM International Warranty Service. Upon registering with the International Warranty Service Office (IWSO), IBM will issue an International Warranty Service Certificate that will be honored virtually worldwide, wherever IBM or IBM resellers sell and service IBM PC products. During the original warranty period, you will be provided service though the service delivery methods available for your specific IBM system in the servicing country. For more information on IBM International Warranty Service or to register your IBM PC systems, contact IBM at 800-IWS-7426 (497-7426). Refer to Services Announcement 694-028, dated October 17, 1994. Alternative Service o IBM On-site Repair (IOR): On-site service will not be offered. o ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option: This service is available for an additional per incident charge, or via special bid for coverage during the warranty period. Maintenance Service o ThinkPad EasyServ (9545) Maintenance Agreement: This is a courier repair service. The ThinkPad will be picked up at your location and delivered to an IBM-designated repair location. The repaired machine will be returned to you. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. o ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option: This option allows customers with mobile machines covered by an IBM EasyServ Maintenance Agreement to upgrade the service to overnight repair with a per incident charge, or via special bid during the agreement period. Call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 for information on utilizing this service. o IBM Per-Call Service: This is only available through ThinkPad EasyServ. Note: Non-IBM products installed in a ThinkPad 755CDV on Warranty or Maintenance Service may be serviced by IBM. Additional service support charges may apply. These non-IBM products may be serviced by ThinkPad EasyServ. IBM Hourly Service Rate Classification: One IBM Warranty Service, Maintenance Service, or IBM Hourly Service can be obtained by calling the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. IBM Hourly Service is available at the applicable rate and terms, including element exchange price, if applicable. Corporate Service Option: This option is not available. Extended Maintenance Option: The 9545 is not eligible for the Extended Maintenance Option under the ICA. Product Availability Status: New product available Field Installable Features: Yes Model Conversions: No Customer Setup: Yes Licensed Internal Code: No National Education Price (NEP): A NEP is available under the terms and conditions of the National Education Price List. The NEP price, which represents a discount from the single unit purchase price, is not subject to any further discount or allowance. The machines in this announcement are included in the National Education Price List. CHARGES Product Charges Feature/ Machine Single Part Type/ Unit Description Number Model Price(4) IBM ThinkPad 755CDV (540MB, DX4-100MHz, CD-ROM, OH/P(5)) 85G1693 9545-ABJ $7,099 IBM ThinkPad 755CDV (810MB, DX4-1OOMHz, CD-ROM, OH/P) 29H7999 9545-ABK 7,549 IBM ThinkPad 755CV/ CDV Cooling Fan Kit 4466 29H8000 89 (4) The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. (5) OH/P = Overhead viewing/projection capability Annual Maintenance Service Charge Machine ThinkPad ThinkPad Type/ EasyServ EasyServ Model (755CDV) (755CV) 9545-ABJ $400 9545-ABK 400 9545-8BJ(6) $450 (6) This product was previously announced in Hardware Announcement 195-133, dated May 9, 1995. . From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 13:09:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10760; Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:09:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15726; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:44:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:44:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15713; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:44:21 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA23959 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:44:16 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27327; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:44:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Lower Price on 755CX Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a nice trick by IBM, make the DSP chip no longer standard so they can lower the price on the 755CX, and instead offer the DSP as an option. very sneaky. I almost thought that the "DSP upgrade" meant a new DSP, but apparently not. IBM ThinkPad 755CX New Models Feature Pentium Processor and Lower Price Announced on June 20, 1995 HARDWARE Announcement 195-217 In Brief . . . With a speedy, powerful 75MHz Intel Pentium processor with L2 cache, this lower-priced ThinkPad 755CX model can serve as your primary notebook or all-around computer solution. Key features include: o High-capacity 540MB* or 810MB* hard disk standard; optional 1.2GB* hard disk o 8MB standard memory expandable to 40MB o Large 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) VGA TFT display o NiMH battery pack o Local bus video with acceleration o SelectaSystem capability for choosing from preinstalled operating systems: OS/2 Warp 3.0, IBM PC DOS 7, and Windows 3.11 o Infrared wireless file and data transfer Technical Support o ThinkPad EasyServ warranty o International Warranty Service o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) * MB = million bytes and GB = 1000 million bytes when referring to hard files or hard disk drives. ---------------------------------------- This new, lower priced model of the ThinkPad(R) 755CX system gives you the power of the 75MHz Intel** Pentium** processor plus preinstalled operating systems and applications to handle your diverse and advanced-function computing needs. The new 755CX model has a VGA TFT (Thin Film Transistor) color display that gives you 65,536 simultaneous colors at 640 x 480 resolution. The display has a special treatment to reduce reflection and lessen the glare indoors. A ThinkPad 755CX system combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions can easily become your primary personal computer, providing an alternative to a desktop system unit. Even without the docking solution, the ThinkPad 755CX easily serves as a primary system with its large color display, high-capacity hard disk, large RAM capability, local bus video, high-performance microprocessor, and two Type II or one Type III PCMCIA slots. Host connectivity is attained with PCMCIA cards. SelectaSystem(TM) allows you to choose between DOS, Windows+, or OS/2(R) Warp operating systems. If you choose to use OS/2 Warp, you can run multiple DOS, Windows, and OS/2 applications at the same time without conflict. Plus, you can take advantage of the BonusPak applications that come with OS/2 Warp, including IBM Works and an Internet access kit with everything you need to travel the information superhighway via the IBM Global Network. An optional feature, the IBM ThinkPad DSP Upgrade, is available through ThinkPad EasyServ. Single Unit Price: $4,749 (9545-SBJ); $5,199 (9545-SBK) Planned Availability Date: June 20, 1995 (systems); July 17, 1995 (IBM ThinkPad DSP Upgrade) (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation ** Company, product, or service name may be a trademark or service mark of others. (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation DESCRIPTION The ThinkPad 755CX notebook has more than enough power, performance, and storage to be the one computer for all your work -- on the road, at home, and at the office. ThinkPad 755CX at a Glance In addition to the 75MHz processor, 540MB or 810MB standard hard disk drive, 8MB memory, and 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) VGA color display, following are system benefits of these new, lower cost 755CX models: o Local bus video with acceleration o Two infrared transceivers o NiMH battery pack standard o IBM Travel Quick Charger optional feature for charging an additional battery pack (connected between the AC Adapter and the system unit so that after the system battery is charged, the additional battery will start charging) o TrackPoint III o Full complement of ports for peripheral connections o 240-pin docking connector o Removable 1.44MB floppy diskette drive o Type III PCMCIA slot o Preinstalled software: OS/2 Warp 3.0 with BonusPak applications, PC DOS 7, and Windows 3.11 operating systems preinstalled with SelectaSystem capability, plus a suite of applications preinstalled to choose from o Onscreen electronic personalization o Compatibility with 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD ThinkPad systems o Optional IBM ThinkPad DSP Upgrade via ThinkPad EasyServ These ThinkPad 755CX advanced-function models bring you innovative technology, instant productivity with preinstalled software, and outstanding service and support. ThinkPad 755CX Features VGA Display: These 755CX models have a VGA TFT display with a large viewing area, bright display, high contrast ratios, less glare, and high resolution. The screen size is 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally). The TFT display has a special treatment to reduce reflectivity, provide superior viewing capability, and lessen the glare indoors. This TFT panel, with the appropriate display driver, can display up to 65,536 simultaneous colors. Processor: At the heart of this system is the Intel Pentium 75MHz processor with 256KB L2 cache and integrated numeric coprocessor on board. Memory: These systems are designed to use non-parity memory. The systems come standard with 8MB RAM, upgradeable to a total of 40MB using DIMM memory modules with the Memory Module Adapter. The system memory can exceed 24MB when using IC DRAM cards larger than 16MB. This high-capacity and fast memory (70ns) can handle almost any application the mobile professional may have to execute. PCMCIA: The Type III slot can accommodate either two Type I, or two Type II, or one Type III PC card. If additional PCMCIA cards are required, the optional ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge can be placed in the ThinkPad 755CX ThinkPad UltraBay providing an additional Type III slot. The ThinkPad UltraBay not only can accommodate this option, but it can also house the optional 2.88MB diskette drive (FDD) and CDPD mobile communications module. IBM PC Card Director software is preinstalled and provides support for the latest PCMCIA standard, 2.1. This software enables many PCMCIA cards, allowing the user to simply plug in the card. PC Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: PC Card Director helps you get status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in the system. In addition, on OS/2 and on Microsoft** Windows, PC Card Director can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enable supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. Supported PCMCIA cards by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver are listed in the Compatibility and Supported Products section. Keyboard and TrackPoint III: The keyboard has the familiar ThinkPad layout with a function key capability, allowing you to quickly access system functions, like power management control. The keyboard lifts up, allowing access to the FDD bay, HDD bay, and battery for quick upgrades or battery changes. The TrackPoint III is an enhanced Trackpoint(TM) II with improved non-slip TrackPoint cap and more accurate pointing capability through improved software. The "drag and drop" function of the click buttons is enhanced. You can lock and hold the buttons in without having to keep pushing on them. Storage: The standard, customer-installable hard drives are 540MB or 810MB. An optional 1.2GB hard drive is available. The drive is easily removed by lifting up the keyboard. You can have multiple "systems" by installing a different hard drive. Systems can also be shared by users who have their own hard drive but no ThinkPad system unit. A 1.44MB FDD drive comes standard. The ThinkPad UltraBay, also standard with the system, is an intelligent bay that switches its pinout signals to allow the installation of an FDD or PCMCIA cartridge in what would normally be just the floppy diskette drive bay. Infrared: The system has IR transceivers in front and back for wireless file and data transfer. The ThinkPad 755CX is designed for compliance with the IrDA (Infrared Data Association) IR data link specification Version 1.0. The systems support three modes of operation: o IBM mode (from 57.6 Kbps to 1.15 Mbps) o HP** mode (from 9600 bps to 115 Kbps) o Sharp** mode (9600 bps) Preinstalled software provides wireless file transfer, file synchronization, and clip board data transfer. With the infrared feature, data can be exchanged with the following systems by using the following vendor software packages: Systems Software Omnibook 300** LapLink Remote Access** HP 100LX** Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX** Sharp Wizard** PC Interface Software, 9000 Link for PCs OZ-990(W)** When using the infrared feature to communicate with these systems, the communications distance may be shorter than when communicating with another ThinkPad 755CX, 755CV, 755CE, 755CSE, 755CV/CDV, or 755CD, depending on the capabilities of the other system. At time of shipment, mouse function is supported for DOS, Windows, and OS/2. Special effect by the Presentation F/X Pro is supported for Windows. Presentation F/X Pro upgrade to OS/2 is presented by the Mind Path Technologies, Dallas, Texas. For more details, call 214-233-9296 for customer support sponsored by the Mind Path Technologies. Video: The 755CX systems have VESA local bus support with video acceleration, providing exceptional video performance. Other Features: The use of system memory by BIOS, for example, is significantly reduced. BIOS uses 96KB of system memory (video, 32KB -- all other, 64KB). The systems have the full complement of ports (enhanced parallel port, SVGA, pointer-keyboard, and serial). In addition, a 240-pin connector supports the four IBM docking solutions: o Dock I -- portable docking with a slot and bay o Dock II -- desktop docking with slots, bays, and PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator I -- cable manager with a Type III PCMCIA slot or Type II PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator II -- cable manager only Options for ThinkPad 755CX ThinkPad 755CX systems support most of the options that were announced with the IBM ThinkPad 755CE, 755CSE, and 755CD systems. In addition, announced today is the IBM ThinkPad DSP Upgrade via ThinkPad EasyServ. The ThinkPad DSP Upgrade can be obtained through IBM PC Direct(1) only; to order, call 800-IBM-2YOU (426-2968). This DSP Upgrade is not customer installable. With this DSP installed, the built-in speaker, microphone, dial volume control, and RJ11 telephone connector provide the following increase in feature/function. The Mwave MDSP2780 operates at up to 60 million operations per second for integrating audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony into a DSP. Features and benefits include: o 44.1KHz MPC-2 16-bit audio with real-time compression o Simultaneous audio play and record o Digital audio mixing with up to eight open .WAV sources o General MIDI-compatible, 32-voice wavetable synthesizer o Sound Blaster** support o 14.4 Kbps data/fax modem o Full-featured telephone - Answering machine with variable speed message playback and voice compression - Hands-free, full-duplex speakerphone Features set can be enhanced by upgrading the DSP software. PRODUCT POSITIONING These new ThinkPad 755CX models are positioned as high-performance, lower priced, and full-function notebook computers in IBM's family of mobile portable systems. PUBLICATIONS The IBM ThinkPad 755CX User's Guide is shipped with the product. The following publications and diskettes are available for separate purchase. To order, call the IBM Software Manufacturing Solution Hotline at 800-879-2755. Order Part Description Number Number IBM ThinkPad 755CX User's Guide Kit S30H-2414 30H2414 IBM ThinkPad 755CX Diskettes Group S30H-1654 30H1654 IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference 755CX S19H-1158 30H1652 IBM ThinkPad Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 IBM ThinkPad 755CX Specification Sheet G221-4390 The IBM diskettes group (30H1654) contains the following: o IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette o IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA Features Diskette o IBM ThinkPad Video Features Diskette o IBM ThinkPad Infrared Features Diskette The Technical Reference will be available in June 1995. This reference is for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 755CX system unit in greater detail. The publication includes functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pinouts for peripheral connectors. Service Publications (manuals and diskettes) Order Part Publication Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 30H2357 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for IBM ThinkPad computers. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a FRU, related service procedures, and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of IBM ThinkPad and IBM Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment ThinkPad 755CX (9545-SBJ and SBK): The NiMH Battery Pack is shipped as standard with these models. Approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours Power off/suspend charging 1.2 hrs Charging during operation 1.7 hrs Travel Quick Charger 2.0 to 3.0 hrs Battery operation (range)(2) 2.6 to 8.0 hrs The previously announced Li-Ion battery pack can also be used with these 755CX models and is an optional feature. Approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.0 hrs Charging during operation 2.0 to 2.5 hrs Travel Quick Charger 2.0 to 3.0 hrs Battery operation (range)(2) 3.2 to 10.0 hrs (2) The actual range may vary based on power management, applications used, frequency of keystrokes, options used, and system configuration. Physical Specifications Approximate(3) Dimensions/Weight o Width: 297.0 mm (11.70 in.) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.30 in.) o Height: 49.8 mm (1.96 in.) o Weight: 2.9 Kg (6.4 lb) with NiMH battery pack and FDD o Li-Ion battery pack: 400 g (0.88 lb) o NiMH battery pack: 540 g (1.19 lb) o Diskette drive FDD: 213 g (0.47 lb) (3) Actual specifications may vary based on features, vendor components, or manufacturing processes. Electrical Specifications o Universal AC adapter: 100-240 V AC, 2.0 A, 50/60Hz o Li-Ion battery pack: 10.8 V, 2.8 AH, 710mAH/cell, 12-cell/pack o NiMH battery pack: 8.4 V, 3.5 AH, 1800mAH/cell, 14-cell/pack Heat Dissipation o 136 Btu/hr maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage o -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) Relative Humidity for Shipping and Storage o 5% to 95% RH Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position): 40 dB (operating) o Sound power level: 5.1 Bels (operating); 4.8 Bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in Bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements are made in accordance with ANSI S12.10, and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment Air temperature: 0 -- 8,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 35(degs)C (41(degs) to 95(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 35(degs)C (50(degs) to 95(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C (85(degs)F) 8,000 -- 10,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs)to 31.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 88(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (50(degs) to 88(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C (78(degs)F) Note: The maximum temperature with system on is linearly decreased >from 8,000 ft to 10,000 ft. Relative Humidity o Operating: 8% to 95% RH (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% RH (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% RH Altitude o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 meters) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO9545E (755CX) - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 dB) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO o AC/DC Adapter Approvals - UL-1950 - CSA-C22.2 No. 223 - SEMKO - NEMKO - DEMKO - SETI - SA - SEV - OVE - DENTORI Software Requirements: The following operating systems support ThinkPad 755CX systems. Refer to the Limitations section for support issues unique to each operating system. o IBM PC DOS 7, J6.3/V o IBM OS/2 Warp Version 3 o IBM OS/2 Warp, Japanese Version 3.0 o IBM OS/2 2.11 o MS-DOS** 6.22 o Microsoft Windows 3.11/J3.1 o Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11 Systems software supported: o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 4.0(4) o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 4.0(4) o IBM Communications Manager/2 Version 1.1 o IBM Database/2 OS/2 Version 1.0 (4) Client function portion only was tested. Compatibility and Supported Products Refer to the 9545 Sales Manual pages, or contact your IBM representative, for a complete list of supported features and options and compatible IBM and vendor software. The Sales manual is updated periodically. The ThinkPad 755CX (9545-SBJ and SBK) systems are designed to be compatible with the PS/2(R). The ThinkPad 755CX systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their Flash ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of ThinkPad 755CX systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Devices Supported -- PCMCIA: ThinkPad 755CX systems conform to the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Release 2.01 and the PCMCIA Card and Socket Services Specification Release 2.1, dated July 1993. Other PCMCIA adapters that comply with the PCMCIA PC Card Standard Specification release 2.01 may also function, but have not been tested by IBM. Feature Part Description Number Number IBM 3270 Emulation Credit Card Adapter 2812 0933315 IBM Token-Ring 16/4 Credit Card Adapter II 8072 0933931 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base-T 3290 0934331 IBM Ethernet Credit Card Adapter II for 10Base-2 3280 0934330 IBM 5250 Emulation PCMCIA Adapter 2808 92F3808 IBM RS-232 PCMCIA Serial Card 87G9250 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Tethered Transceiver 87G9740 IBM Infrared (IR) Wireless Adapter Integrated Transceiver 87G9743 IBM Mass Storage Card 5MB 70G7344 IBM Mass Storage Card 10MB 70G7345 IBM Mass Storage Card 15MB 70G7346 IBM 1MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7229 IBM 2MB SRAM PCMCIA Memory Card 92G7230 IBM Solid State File Card 5MB 40G3166 IBM Solid State File Card 10MB 40G3167 IBM Solid State File Card 20MB 40G3168 IBM Solid State File Card 30MB 40G3169 IBM Solid State File Card 40MB 40G3170 IBM 40MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 7559 70G8495 IBM 105MB PCMCIA Hard Disk Drive (Type III) 1901 32G4199 Limitations o To use the preinstalled software applications that require the use of a modem, models of the ThinkPad 755CX that do not have an integrated IBM Mwave DSP (Digital Signal Processor) must have a PCMCIA card data or data/fax modem. Examples of programs are SofNet FaxWorks Fax, Prodigy**, and America Online**. o Currently, the Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro preinstalled software is a Windows version. The OS/2 version is available and can be obtained by calling Mind Path Technologies, Inc., at 800-736-6830, the PCC BBS at 919-517-0001. o If the ThinkPad enters suspend mode while a video is playing, when using Video for Windows and Presentation F/X Pro and the Mind Path Remote Controller (separately purchased item), the ThinkPad may not resume properly. Close the Presentation F/X Pro software prior to suspending the system, if a video is playing. o Some optional features or applications may use the COM1 port. OS/2 Warp Version 3, will not load COM.SYS if the COM1 port is already in use. Only one such feature or application that uses the COM1 (for example, communications or PCMCIA) can be used at a time. For example, the Mind Path IR Remote Controller uses the COM1 port and this Controller must be disabled to use another application that also uses COM1. o Some special effects of the Presentation F/X program are not effective during motion pictures and digital video playback that frequently access the video buffer. o The Warp fixpak XR0W005 is required for audio, modem, and printer support if OS/2 Warp Version 3 needs to be reinstalled. o Fixpak XR_A087 is required for audio, data fax modem, and telephony functions under OS/2 2.11. Call 800-992-4777 to get these APAR fixes. o The 640 x 480 65,536 color driver is available in OS/2 Warp Version 3.0. The 640 x 480 65,536 color display driver for OS/2 2.11 or OS/2 for Windows can be obtained from the IBM OS/2 Bulletin Board. This is currently available on the PCC BBS by calling 919-517-0001. The PCC BBS is available 24 hours a day on a toll-call basis with no access charge to the bulletin board. o When using the Redirector feature of the Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX to exchange data over an infrared link at 115 Kbps, the ThinkPad 755CX should be configured as the requestor. o Video performance is reduced when operating under the 64K color mode. o The IBM Enhanced Mouse (92G7457) cannot be used with TrackPoint III. When using the IBM Enhanced Mouse, TrackPoint III should be disabled. o Continuous use of the HDD drive, such as reading long video files, will impact battery life. o The fifth PCMCIA slot can not be identified by the IBM PC Card Director memory device driver when installing the IBM ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge in the FDD bay of the system unit when the IBM ThinkPad Port Replicator I or ThinkPad Dock II is attached. o ThinkPad 755CX (9545-SBJ and SBK) systems have one memory-slot per system. - By using 2MB, 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM optional feature cards, up to 24MB of system memory is possible. If IC DRAM cards larger than 16MB are available, more than 24MB of system memory is possible. - By using the DIMM technology, the IBM Memory Module Adapter, and 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB memory modules, up to 40MB of system memory is possible. o The system is designed so that the PCMCIA card can be installed or removed without turning off the system if the PCMCIA card supports this function. Refer to the instructions that come with the PCMCIA card. o When installing two Type II PCMCIA communications cards in the PCMCIA slot, there may be some cable interference that allows only one card to be used. o PC Card point enablers may write directly to the hardware, bypassing Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Writing directly to the hardware may cause problems that cannot be anticipated. Also, point enablers may interfere with client device drivers that communicate with Socket and Card Services Release 2.1. Additional testing in customer-specific environments is recommended. o PCMCIA diagnostics programs usually do not recognize slot numbers greater than two. To diagnose a suspected faulty card, make sure the PCMCIA card is in one of the PCMCIA slots of the system proper. o Point enablers usually do not support slot numbers above two. If using a PCMCIA card with a Point Enabler, make sure that the card is in the slots on the system proper. o A video capture adapter that requires VGA pass-through (video pass-through, VESA bus) is not supported by the 755CX and the IBM Docking stations. o The IBM 8516 Touch Screen Color Display and IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard require the TrackPoint III to be disabled before attaching it to the connector. To disable the TrackPoint III, follow the instructions provided in the User's Guide. o The IBM Keyboard/Mouse Connector optional feature is required when attaching an external keyboard to the system via the external input device port. o The password prompt is not displayed when the computer resumes from partial suspend mode while it is attached to the IBM ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II. But you will need to type the correct password. o If one of these systems is used with the IBM ThinkPad Dock I or Dock II, then, for the comfort and convenience of the user, the height of the system should be adjusted or an external keyboard should be used. o The diagnostic failures by the diagnostic program may occur on the following adapters when docked, even though there is no functional problem: IBM 3278/3279 Emulation Adapter, IBM Token-Ring Network 16/4 Adapter, IBM Token-Ring Network PC adapter II, and IBM Token-Ring Network 16/4 Adapter II. Suspend Mode Operational Considerations o Do not remove or install PC cards during suspend mode. o Suspend mode shuts off power to the PCMCIA sockets. o When using Windows 3.11, ensure that the Advanced Power Management (APM) is installed. o Non-disruptive battery exchange allows the user to put the system in suspend mode and exchange battery packs without any loss of data or function. o During suspend mode, the maximum power output becomes 60mA at 12 V. During suspend mode, PCMCIA cards cannot consume more than 60mA at 12 V. Planning Information Cable Orders: All cables are included with the system. Installability: ThinkPad 755CX systems require about 20 minutes for installation. Installation includes unpacking, setting up, and powering on the system. Additional time is required to install other memory and optional features. HelpWare(R) Support: HelpWare is a comprehensive set of offerings that provides you with a full range of service and support options to make your computing experience more productive and enjoyable. As part of a commitment to provide you with the support you require, IBM provides many complimentary HelpWare services during the warranty period of your IBM personal computer. Additional services are available from the HelpWare Support Family. For detailed information on HelpWare, refer to Services Announcement 694-029, dated October 17, 1994, or call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. Packaging o 9545-SBJ -- 84G6381 540MB, VGA, W/O DSP, WIN/WARP/Apps o 9545-SBK -- 85G1669 810MB, VGA, W/O DSP, WIN/WARP/Apps Shipment group -- system unit carton contents: o System unit with U.S. English keyboard o AC adapter o Rechargeable battery pack -- NiMH o U.S. power cord o 755CX, User's Guide kit with U.S./Canadian o warranty statement and FCC statement o ThinkPad Envelope Group - Customer registration form - International traveler's hardware warranty booklet - HelpCenter label Plus the following items: o 755CX Product Map o PCMCIA security plate o PCMCIA CONN LID o TrackPoint III Cap (x3) o Adhesive tape eject memory card set Preinstalled mobile software envelope o PC DOS 7 English manual (without diskettes) o MS Windows 3.11 English manual (without diskettes) o OS/2 Warp V3.0 English Manual (without diskettes) o Monologue for Windows publication and diskette Accessories and/or Supplies: The following announced accessories are applicable to ThinkPad 755CX: Part Accessories Number IBM ThinkPad 750 Key Guard 66G3685 IBM PS/2 Keyboard/Mouse Connector 54G0441 Security, Auditability, and Control Standard Security Features for 9545: The electronic personalization feature is like a name tag on your ThinkPad. Your name, contact address, or phone number can be displayed on the screen when the system is turned on. This helps if the ThinkPad is misplaced. Personal data is stored in the system's non-volatile memory and is displayed with a password prompt. Passwords o A Power-on Password (POP) protects the system from unauthorized use. If a POP is set, the password prompt appears: - Each time the system is turned on. - When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode. o A Supervisor Password provides a higher level of security than the POP. The Supervisor Password protects the system functions from being used by unauthorized users and protects the hardware configuration from unauthorized modification. The Supervisor Password prompt appears when the hardware configuration is changed. o An HDD Password (HDP) protects HDD data from unauthorized users. Once HDP is set, data on the HDD cannot be accessed without the correct HDP. Because the HDP is stored in the HDD, the data remains protected even if the HDD is removed to another system. The HDP password prompt appears: - Each time the system is turned on. - When the system is returned to normal operation from suspend mode. o The user can use the hook on the hard disk locking mechanism to leash with a user-selected padlock and chain or cable. o The user can attach the Kensington** lock to the keyhole on the side of the computer. This prevents the keyboard from opening and secures the internal devices under the keyboard. User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS This product is available for purchase under the terms of the IBM Customer Agreement (ICA). IBM Credit Corporation Financing: Term leases and installment payment plans are available for commercial and state and local government customers. Warranty Period o System Hardware (9545): Three years. An optional one-year warranty is available via special bid. o System Battery: One year. o Optional Features: One year minimum, or the remaining warranty of the system in which the feature is installed. o Media: Three months. o IBM Programs: Three months. o Non-IBM Programs: Not warranted by IBM; warranty, if any, is as provided by the program's supplier. Licensing: IBM programs included with ThinkPad 755CX are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM Program License Agreement and IBM System Programs License Agreement. A copy of these agreements is included in the documentation that ships with the system. Non-IBM Programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. Terms and conditions of the supplier apply and are included in the respective program packages in the documentation that ships with the systems, and are passed on to the customer. Warranty Service ThinkPad EasyServ: Warranty service for the ThinkPad 755CX will be provided by ThinkPad EasyServ. ThinkPad EasyServ is a courier repair service in which the ThinkPad system will be picked up at your location and delivered to a IBM-designated repair location. The repair location will repair the system and return it to you. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. If warranty service is required, you should call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. The HelpCenter will assist the user with problem isolation for both hardware and software. Should a hardware problem be identified, the HelpCenter will arrange for a courier to pickup the system for overnight delivery (where available) to the repair location. Most repairs should be made the same day the system is received at the repair location. You should keep the original shipping carton for shipping to the repair location. If the original shipping carton is not available, the courier will deliver a shipping carton and return to pickup the system for delivery to the repair location. International Warranty Service: If you travel or need to move products to another country, you can register the products for IBM International Warranty Service. Upon registering with the International Warranty Service Office (IWSO), IBM will issue an International Warranty Service Certificate that will be honored virtually worldwide, wherever IBM or IBM resellers sell and service IBM PC products. During the original warranty period, you will be provided service though the service delivery methods available for your specific IBM system in the servicing country. For more information on IBM International Warranty Service, or to register your IBM PC systems, contact IBM at 800-IWS-7426 (497-7426). Refer to Services Announcement 694-028, dated October 17, 1994. Alternative Service o IBM On-site Repair (IOR): On-site service will not be offered. o ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option: The ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option is available for an additional per incident charge, or via special bid for coverage during the warranty period. Maintenance Service o ThinkPad EasyServ (9545) Maintenance Agreement: This is a courier repair service. The ThinkPad will be picked up at your location and delivered to an IBM-designated repair location. The repaired machine will be returned to you. Charges for the courier service will be paid by IBM. o ThinkPad EasyServ Overnight Repair Option: This option allows customers with mobile machines covered by an IBM ThinkPad EasyServ Maintenance Agreement to upgrade the service to overnight repair with a per-incident charge, or via special bid during the agreement period. Call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 for information on utilizing this service. o IBM Per-Call Service: This is only available through ThinkPad EasyServ. Note: Non-IBM products installed in a ThinkPad 755CX on Warranty or Maintenance Service may be serviced by IBM. Additional service support charges may apply. These non-IBM products may be serviced by ThinkPad EasyServ. IBM Hourly Service Rate Classification: One IBM Warranty Service, Maintenance Service, or IBM Hourly Service can be obtained by calling the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. IBM Hourly Service is available at the applicable rate and terms, including element exchange price, if applicable. Corporate Service Option: This option is not available. Extended Maintenance Option: The 9545 is not eligible for the Extended Maintenance Option under the ICA. Product Availability Status: New product available Field Installable Features: Yes Model Conversions: No Customer Setup: Yes Licensed Internal Code: No National Education Price (NEP): A NEP is available under the terms and conditions of the National Education Price List. The NEP price, which represents a discount from the single unit purchase price, is not subject to any further discount or allowance. The machines in this announcement are included in the National Education Price List. CHARGES Product Charges Machine Single Part Type/ Unit Description Number Model Price(5) IBM ThinkPad 755CX (540MB, Pentium-75MHz, VGA, without DSP) 84G6381 9545-SBJ $4,749 IBM ThinkPad 755CX (810MB, Pentium-75MHz, VGA, without DSP) 85G1669 9545-SBK 5,199 IBM ThinkPad DSP Upgrade(6) (ThinkPad EasyServ) 2420801 449 Annual Maintenance Service Charge Machine ThinkPad Type/Model EasyServ 9545-All $230 (1) Trademark of Ziff Communications Company and is used by IBM Corporation under license. (5) The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. (6) Must be installed by IBM trained personnel. . From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 13:13:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10790; Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:13:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15964; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15946; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:48 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA24053 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:46:42 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19451; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:47:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:47:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCMCIA Ethernet, modem, microwave oven :) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Looks good and $395 is a decent price for modem & ethernet in one. Options By IBM: Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Provides Single Solution for Modem, Cellular, and Ethernet Connectivity Announced on June 20, 1995 HARDWARE Announcement 195-209 In Brief . . . The IBM Home and Away Credit Card Adapter -- simultaneous data/fax modem and Ethernet connections from a single PCMCIA card. The adapter: o Contains a sleep mode/remote wake-up function o Provides cellular phone support for many of today's leading cellular phone providers o Contains a modem-saver function that indicates if the telephone line could damage the modem (high-current, digital PBX) o Supports a variety of network operating systems o Ships with Quicklink fax software and IBM LAN Support Program/NDIS, and Novell** NetWare** Universal Client o Complies with PCMCIA and IEEE 802.3 10Base-T standards and works in a PCMCIA Type II or III socket o Includes IBM PC Company HelpCenter(R) 24-hour, 7-day/week support and a lifetime warranty ---------------------------------------- The IBM Home and Away Credit Card Adapter provides the combined function of a 14,400 bits per second (bps) data/fax modem and an Ethernet LAN Adapter in a single package. This PCMCIA Type II PC Card Adapter is the ideal solution for notebook users when they are either "home" or "away" from the office. The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter supports simultaneous data/fax modem and Ethernet operations. It has a sleep mode/remote wake-up feature that lowers the power consumption of the PC Card when the modem function is not in use. If an incoming call is received while the PC Card is in this state, the modem "wakes-up" to accept the call. If you use the data/fax modem function away from the office, you can connect via your cellular phone. Many of today's leading cellular phone providers are supported. An optional cellular upgrade kit is required for cellular support. It consists of a cable and Spectrum Connected** software. The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter connector block provides a modem-saver function that checks for compatibility between the modem and the telephone outlet you are plugged into. It alerts you if the telephone line is incompatible or could damage your modem. The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter works with a wide range of network operating systems and ships with Quicklink fax software. Purchase Price: $395 Planned Availability Date: July 28, 1995 The following are planned to be available no later than August 31, 1995: o Cellular Upgrade Kits are available for the following phones: - NEC P700/P701 - Nokia** 2120 - OKI 1325, 1335, 1375 o OS/2(R) Device Driver Support ** Company, product, or service name may be a trademark or service mark of others (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation DESCRIPTION Combined Ethernet and Data/Fax Modem Support The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter supports the simultaneous operation of a 10Base-T Ethernet adapter and a data/fax modem in a single PCMCIA PC card package. With the Ethernet and data/fax modem function only requiring one PCMCIA socket, you can use your computer's other PCMCIA socket for memory, SCSI, or other PC cards. Sleep Mode/Remote Wake-Up The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter sleep mode/remote wake-up feature lowers the power consumption of the PC card when the modem function is not in use. Incoming calls received while the PC card is in this state, the modem will wake-up to accept the call. Modem-Saver Function The connector block that ships with the Home and Away Credit Card Adapter has a modem-saver function that indicates (with lights) if the telephone line could damage the modem (high current, digital PBX). By checking for compatibility between the modem and the telephone outlet you are plugging into, the Home and Away Credit Card Adapter protects your investment. The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter ships with a connector block, a 3-meter RJ-45 to RJ-45 cable, and a 3-meter RJ-11 to RJ-11 cable. The connector block provides RJ-45 and RJ-11 connectors, from which the 3-meter RJ-45 to RJ-45 cable and the 3-meter RJ-11 to RJ-11 cable can be attached to for Ethernet connectivity or modem connectivity. Reliability The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter carries a lifetime warranty for the PC Card, and a three-month warranty for the cables and the connector block. The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter was designed and developed by IBM's Local Area Network Hardware Development Lab in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, an ISO9000-certified development laboratory. The ISO9000 certification ensures customers that a high quality design and development process was used to develop this product. Open Enterprise The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter conforms to PCMCIA and IEEE 802.3 standards. PUBLICATIONS The following publications are shipped with the product. Additional copies are available by contacting your IBM representative. Part Title Number Home and Away Credit Card Adapter User's Guide (U.S. English) 13H7383 Home and Away Credit Card Adapter AT(R) Commands (U.S. English) 25H4231 TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Physical Specifications: Adapter o Width: 54.0 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 85.6 mm (3.37 in.) o Height: 5.0 mm (0.20 in.) o Weight: 42.5 g (0.10 lb) Operating Environment: The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter meets FCC Class B (Home), operating criteria. o Temperature: 0(degs) to 55(degs)C (32(degs) to 131(degs)F) o Relative Humidity: 5% to 95% o Wet Bulb: 23(degs)C (73(degs)F) Hardware Requirements: The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter is compatible with all IBM and non-IBM machines with PCMCIA Type II and III sockets. A point enabler is provided with the Home and Away Credit Card Adapter for machines with Intel** (or compatible) PCIC socket controllers. For machines that don't, the appropriate Card and Socket Services (Release 2.0 or higher) and PCMCIA controller support is required. The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter is not supported in Micro Channel(R) machines including the ThinkPad(R) model 720. Software Requirements: IBM DOS or MS-DOS** 5.0, or later: The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter supports the following DOS/Windows+ network operating systems. Only one of the following is required for network operation. o IBM DOS LAN Support Program Version 1.33, or later Note: The IBM LAN Support Program/NDIS is included with the Home and Away Credit Card Adapter. o IBM PC LAN Program PCLP Version 1.34 o TCP/IP for DOS Version 2.1 o Novell NetWare Version 3.11, or later (Client) Note: The Novell NetWare Universal Client is shipped with the adapter. o Banyan VINES** Version 5.50 o Artisoft LANtastic** Version 5.0, or later o Novell Personal NetWare Version 1.0 IBM OS/2 2.1 or later: The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter supports the following OS/2 networking applications: o IBM Communications Manager/2 Version 1.11, or later o IBM LanServer Version 4.0 Compatibility: The modem function of the Home and Away Credit Card Adapter may transfer data at speeds up to 14.4 Kbps using V.32 bis mode and also supports V.32, V.22, V.22A/B, V.23, V.21, Bell 212A, and Bell 103. When used as a fax modem, it supports V.17, V.29, V.27ter, V.21 ch 2 and group 3 send and receive rates up to 14.4 Kbps. The modem also incorporates V.42bis and MNP5 data compression and V.42 LAPM and MNP 2-4 error control schemes. MNP10 EC and Celeratis** TX-CEL support compensates for noisy line conditions when using a cellular phone. Planning Information Cable Orders: A connector block is provided with the Home and Away Credit Card Adapter which provides RJ-45 and RJ-11 connectors. A three-meter RJ-45 to RJ-45 cable is provided for 10Base-T Ethernet connectivity and a three-meter RJ-11 to RJ-11 cable is provided for modem connectivity. Users can also order as an accessory cellular connect cables for attachment to their cellular phones. Customers can order a spare or replacement Y-cable (Ethernet and Modem) (25H4198), connector block (25H4199), RJ-11 to RJ-11 cable (13H9565), RJ-45 to RJ-45 cable (13H9566), by ordering a field-replaceable unit (FRU) or by ordering from IBM Cabling Distributors supplied by IBM Complementary Products. U.S. residents may call PC HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. Packaging Shipment Number of Group Boxes Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Home and Away PCMCIA adapter 1 Connector Block with RJ-45 and RJ-11 connectors Three-meter RJ-45 to RJ-45 cable Three-meter RJ-11 to RJ-11 cable User's Guide (Includes Warranty document) AT Commands book Quicklink fax software Program License Agreement Diskette containing Device Drivers Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Multipack of 5 5 Home and Away PCMCIA adapters 1 5 Connector Blocks with RJ-45 and RJ-11 connectors 5 three-meter RJ-45 to RJ-45 cables 5 three-meter RJ-11 to RJ-11 cables User's Guide (Includes Warranty document) AT Commands book Quicklink fax software Program License Agreement Diskette containing Device Drivers Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Multipack of 30 30 Home and Away PCMCIA adapters 1 30 Connector Blocks with RJ-45 and RJ-11 connectors 30 three-meter RJ-45 to RJ-45 cables 30 three-meter RJ-11 to RJ-11 cables 6 User's Guides (Includes Warranty document) 6 AT Commands books 6 Quicklink fax software packages 6 Program License Agreements 6 Diskettes containing Device Drivers Shipment Number of Group Boxes Motorola Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers Nokia 2120 Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers NEC 110/120/180, AT&T 3610 Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers NECP700/701 Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers Mitsubishi 3500/4000, Diamondtel** 20X/22X Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers OKI 1325, 1335, 1375 Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers OKI 1145/1150, AT&T 3760 Cellular Cable Cellular cable 1 Diskette containing cellular device drivers Accessories and/or Supplies: The following accessory, spare, or replacement items can be ordered from cabling dealers and distributors or ordered as a FRU. U.S. residents may call IBM PC HelpCenter at 800-772-2227. Y-cable (Ethernet and Modem) 25H4199 Connector Block 25H4198 RJ-11 to RJ-11 cable 13H9565 RJ-45 to RJ-45 cable 13H9566 Specify the appropriate part number. Security, Auditability, and Control User management is responsible for evaluation, selection and implementation of security features, administrative procedures and appropriate controls in application systems and communications facilities. TERMS AND CONDITIONS MES Discount Applicable: No Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: The Home and Away Credit Card Adapter has a lifetime warranty. The accessories have a three-month warranty. Customer Setup: Yes National Education Price (NEP): A NEP is available under the terms and conditions of the NEP List. The NEP prices are as follows: NEP% Description off List Home and Away Credit Card Adapter 16.7% Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Multipack of 5 18.3% Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Multipack of 30 20.4% Connector Block Accessory 17.4% Y-Cable Accessory 5% Motorola Cellular Cable 13.8% Nokia 2120 Cellular Cable 13.8% NEC 110/120/180, AT&T 3610 Cellular Cable 13.8% NECP700/701 Cellular Cable 13.8% Mitsubishi 3500/4000, Diamondtel 20X/22X Cellular Cable 13.8% OKI 1325, 1335, 1375 Cellular Cable 13.8% OKI 1145/1150, AT&T 3760 Cellular Cable 13.8% STATEMENT OF LIMITED WARRANTY The warranties provided by IBM in this Statement of Limited Warranty apply only to Machines you originally purchase for your use, and not for resale, from IBM or an IBM authorized reseller. The term "Machine" means an IBM machine, its features, conversions, upgrades, elements, or accessories, or any combination of them. Machines are subject to these terms only if purchased in the United States or Puerto Rico, or Canada, and located in the country of purchase. If you have any questions, contact IBM or your reseller. Machine: Home and Away Credit Card Adapter specified in this announcement Warranty Period: Lifetime* * Elements and accessories are warranted for three months. Contact your place of purchase for warranty service information. Production Status: Each Machine is manufactured from new parts, or new and serviceable used parts (which perform like new parts). In some cases, the Machine may not be new and may have been previously installed. Regardless of the Machine's productions status, IBM's warranty terms apply. The IBM Warranty: IBM warrants that each Machine is (1) free from defects in materials and workmanship and (2) conforms to IBM's official published specifications. IBM calculates the expiration of the warranty period from the Machine's date of installation. The date on your receipt is the date of installation, unless IBM or your reseller informs you otherwise. During the warranty period, IBM or your reseller will provide warranty service under the type of service designated for the Machine and will manage and install engineering changes that apply to the Machine. IBM or your reseller will specify the type of service. For a feature, conversion, or upgrade, IBM or your reseller may require that the Machine on which it is installed be (1) the designated serial-numbered Machine and (2) at an engineering-change level compatible with the feature, conversion, or upgrade. Some of these transactions (called "Net-Priced" transactions) may include additional parts and associated replacement parts that are provided on an exchange basis. All removed parts become the property of IBM and must be returned to IBM. Replacement parts assume the remaining warranty of the parts they replace. If a Machine does not function as warranted during the warranty period, IBM in its sole discretion will repair, replace it (with a Machine that is at least functionally equivalent), or refund the purchase price. To obtain coverage under the warranty you will be required to present proof of purchase. This warranty is non-transferable by the end-user customer. Warranty Service: To obtain warranty service for the Machine, you should contact your reseller or call IBM. In the United States, call IBM at 800-772-2227. In Canada, call IBM at 800-465-6666. You will be required to present proof of purchase. Depending on the Machine, the service may be (1) a "Repair" service at your location (called "On-site") or at one of IBM's or a reseller's service locations (called "Carry-in") or (2) an "Exchange" service, either On-site or Carry-in. When a type of service involves the exchange of a Machine or part, the item IBM or your reseller replaces becomes its property and the replacement becomes yours. The replacement may not be new, but will be in good working order and at least functionally equivalent to the item replaced. It is your responsibility to: 1. Obtain authorization from the owner (for example, your lessor) to have IBM or your reseller service a Machine that you do not own. 2. Where applicable, before service is provided: a. Follow the problem determination, problem analysis, and service request procedures that IBM or your reseller provide. b. Secure all programs, data, and funds contained in a Machine. c. Inform IBM or your reseller of changes in a Machine's location. d. For a Machine with exchange service, remove all features, parts, options, alterations, and attachments not under warranty service. Also, the Machine must be free of any legal obligations or restrictions that prevent its exchange. 3. Be responsible for less of, or damage to, a Machine in transit when your are responsible for the transportation charges. Extent of Warranty: IBM does not warrant uninterrupted or error-free operation of a Machine. Misuse, accident, modification, unsuitable physical or operating environment, improper maintenance by you, or failure caused by a product for which IBM is not responsible may void the warranties. These warranties replace all other warranties, express or implied, including, but not limited to, the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. However, some laws do not allow the exclusion of implied warranties. If these laws apply, then all express and implied warranties are limited in duration to the warranty period. No warranties apply after that period. In Canada, warranties include both warranties and conditions. Some jurisdictions do not allow limitations on how long an implied warranty lasts, so the above limitation may not apply to you. Limitation of Liability: Circumstances may arise where, because of a default on IBM's part (including fundamental breach) or other liability (including negligence and misrepresentation), you are entitled to recover damages from IBM. In each such instance, regardless of the basis on which you are entitled to claim damages, IBM is liable only for: 1. Bodily injury (including death), and damage to real property and tangible personal property 2. The amount of any other actual loss or damage, up to the greater of $100,000 or the charge for the Machines that is the subject of the claim. Under no circumstances is IBM liable for any of the following: 1. Third-party claims against you for losses or damages (other than those under the first item listed above) 2. Loss of, or damage to, your records or data 3. Economic consequential damages (including lost profits or savings) or incidental damages, even if IBM is informed of their possibility. Some jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitation or exclusion may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific legal rights and you may also have other rights which vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machines in which the feature is installed. CHARGES Feature Part Machine Model Purchase Description Number Number Type Number Price Home and Away Credit Card Adapter 3073 10H4707 8550 ZZZ $ 395 Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Multipack of 5 4215 25H4215 8550 ZZZ 1,915 Home and Away Credit Card Adapter Multipack of 30 3073 25H4217 8550 ZZZ 11,490 Connector Block Accessory 25H4199 109 Y-Cable Accessory 25H4198 20 Motorola Cellular Cable 25H4196 80 Nokia 2120 Cellular Cable 25H4197 80 NEC 110/120/180, AT&T 3610 Cellular Cable 25H4193 80 NECP700/701 Cellular Cable 25H4194 80 Mitsubishi 3500/4000, Diamondtel 20X/22X Cellular Cable 25H4195 80 OKI 1325, 1335, 1375 Cellular Cable 25H4191 80 OKI 1145/1150, AT&T 3760 Cellular Cable 25H4192 80 + Trademark of Microsoft Corporation . From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 13:49:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12880; Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:49:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19030; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:35:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:35:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19010; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:35:23 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA29589; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:35:18 -0500 Message-Id: <9506201735.AA29589@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:36:47 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? On Tue, 20 Jun 95 08:59:29 -0400 Robert Dewar wrote: >So that means that density wise, a 1.2 gig 2.5" disk has the same >technology as a 3.5" 3 gig disk, and not suprisingly, they are in the >same ballpark price wise. > >As a consumer, you may think in dollars/megabyte, but the manufacturing >cost and design difficulty is related to the density of information, not >the size of the platter. I made the comment about an external 1GB drive as an alternative non-portable storage option. I made a little chart like this when I was selecting a notebook: feature 810MB + external 1GB 1.2GB --------- -------------------- ----------------- Price Roughly same for both Portability 810MB portable extra 400MB portable 1 GB movable SCSI drive Upgradability PCMCIA SCSI card extra PCMCIA slot --------------------------------------------------------------- i.e. if a genie offered to increase the capacity of your TP hard drive by 400MB, or to give you a PCMCIA SCSI card and a 1GB SCSI drive, which would you pick? Most people would opt for the latter. Just because they're not technically comparable doesn't mean we can't compare them when justifying a purchase. New technology is irrelevant if the manufacturing and design costs make it too expensive. That's not to say there aren't people who *need* the extra 400MB, just that I think IBM priced the drive ridiculously high, especially since their wholesale price suggests they could've priced it much lower. Of course you're right that if IBM can't keep up with demand, they can set pretty much any price they want. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 13:54:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13269; Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:54:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19444; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:41:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:41:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19424; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:41:11 -0400 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA142269851; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:37:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:37:31 -0400 Message-Id: <950620133729_74605029@aol.com> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In a message dated 95-06-20 00:54:16 EDT, whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) writes: >Anyone care to hazard a guess or make a list of the *many* items >they might have sold a *lot* more of (and presumably still made a profit) >if they had just priced them more reasonably? How about the Micro Channel bus that they screwed up marketing? Well, IBM isn't the only one though, Sony messed up making Beta the standard. Mark3M@aol.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:01:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13696; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:01:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19879; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:48:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:48:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19866; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:48:12 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id NAA20557; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:52:29 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:52:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <9506201413.AA20656@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > OK, sorry, it would never occur to me to take someone calling one of > my posts idiotic as an insult -- but I realize other people have thinner > skings, and will try to moderate language in future :-) I think it's less an issue of thin skin than that I can't tell from a piece of email what the tone is behind a message. Perhaps I'm overly cautious - "idiotic" seems like a loaded word to me. Or perhaps living in a rude city like Miami keeps me overly tensed about such things. :-) ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix with my hands..." FM's Batman ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:09:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13952; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:09:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20596; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:57:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:57:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20586; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:57:36 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id OAA21497; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:01:54 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: schou@uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <199506201426.JAA03809@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Sean Chou wrote: > > >this to me is an idiotic comment. A 1.2 gigabyte 2.5" disk is a pretty > > >amazing gizmo, I find it perfectly reasonable to be paying $150/meg for > > >something at this cutting edge of technology. > > Actually, I find this an idiotic comment. If the drive is sold > at $750 in quantity, there is no reason for us to pay over twice > that except for the fact that some idiots are willing to pay the > price (and probably have their department's money at their > disposal). Precisely. If the drives _were_ in fact the price IBM wants for them, it would be once thing. However the real inflation in this equation is: (1) Injection molded case (1) unusual AMP connector (1) piece of cable. In any quantity, these things must cost IBM all of $30 to make, and that's being real generous. But IBM takes a drive they sell ALONE for ~$800 to resellers and puts a plastic case around it to make it _$1800_. I'm familiar with _value_ added, but this would be, what? Mortgage added? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:09:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13957; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:09:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20503; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:55:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:55:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20481; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:55:40 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA00104; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:55:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9506201755.AA00104@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 13:57:03 EDT From: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (John H. Kim) Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu (John H. Kim) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail (v1.0 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Mehdi Attaran wrote: >> Arrrgh... Sometimes it makes me think I should just dump OS/2... :-) > >As Nike commercials say, "Just do it!". :-) Actually, I was talking of dumping OS/2 for Linux. >dumped all the StinkPads in favor of the new Toshiba/NEC Pentium boxes. Ummm, are you sure you want to insult Thinkpads on a mailing list composed of Thinkpad owners? :) >I'm now happily running build 490C of Windows 95... There is no looking back >here! I don't have to put up with the mediocre IBM TCP/IP and my DOS/Windows TCP is a protocol layer. Either it works or it doesn't. I haven't had any problems with it. Is there a free, robust X-Windows for Win95? >apps run much faster and more reliable. I have never seen better performance >from our 3C589 PCMCIA network cards (which are running in 32-bit mode), and PCMCIA slots are 16-bit. How do you get the cards running in 32-bit mode? Thanks for the suggestion but given the amount of Unix programming I do at work, Linux would be my first choice. I'd go with Linux right now if it wasn't for the big-endian/little-endian thing screwing up some code... _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:20:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14224; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:20:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21105; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:03:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:03:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay.hp.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21093; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:03:42 -0400 From: Received: from csitcom1.cs.itc.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA063711419; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:03:39 -0700 Received: from by csitcom1.cs.itc.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.4 Openmail) id AA115121418; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:03:38 -0600 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 12:03:27 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <950620133729_74605029@aol.com> Subject: unsubscribe Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Item Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? 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Item Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? unsubscribe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:39:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14959; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:39:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21591; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:09:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:09:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21581; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:09:43 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id OAA22412; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:12:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Mark3M@aol.com Cc: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <950620133729_74605029@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995 Mark3M@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 95-06-20 00:54:16 EDT, whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal > Whittle) writes: > > >Anyone care to hazard a guess or make a list of the *many* items > >they might have sold a *lot* more of (and presumably still made a profit) > >if they had just priced them more reasonably? > > How about the Micro Channel bus that they screwed up marketing? IBM didn't so much screw up the marketing as make it impossible for the experience card makers to produce these things. Some bright boy decided that licensing the MCA spec meant you had to _also_ pay BACK royalties on all the ISA cards you made. Meaning nobody with the existing ability/resources to make MCA cards could afford to. Which explains why most of the MCA cards you find|found are IBM or some new company you never heard of.... > Well, IBM isn't the only one though, Sony messed up making Beta the standard. I think Sony was more a victim of the public which didn't care as much about visual quality as being able to fit six (icky quality) hours onto a tape instead of a measley 3.5........ ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix with my hands..." FM's Batman ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:42:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14989; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:42:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23025; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:30:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:30:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23010; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:30:23 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:26:43 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 20 Jun 95 14:34:21 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 20 Jun 95 14:34:04 EST From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: UConn Advancement Systems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:34:02 EST Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <48640B6363A@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> *stuff deleted* > The only other machines with IR capabilities that I'm aware of are the Sharp > Wizards, and the HP palmtops. *more stuff deleted* > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | > | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ I've been looking for a PDA. Two friends, reengineering consults., suggested the HP palmtops noting that the IR transfer works great for sychronizing schedulers, phone books, etc. Guy W. Farrell Computer Support University of Connecticut Foundation, Inc. Voice: (203)486-5900 Fax: (203)486-1615 (800)269-9965 My desk: (203)486-5606 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Home Phone: (203)281-3940 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 14:55:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15449; Tue, 20 Jun 95 14:55:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24553; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:43:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:43:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24540; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:43:18 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.78]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA28647 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:43:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 13:43:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199506201843.NAA28647@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? At 01:57 PM 6/20/95 EDT, you wrote: >On Mon, 19 Jun 1995 22:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Mehdi Attaran wrote: > >>apps run much faster and more reliable. I have never seen better performance >>from our 3C589 PCMCIA network cards (which are running in 32-bit mode), and > >PCMCIA slots are 16-bit. How do you get the cards running in 32-bit mode? > yes, the hardware pcmcia hardware is 16bit. i think the person above is referring to the driver being a 32-bit OS driver.... in other words, the windows kernel does not have to drop out of 32bit protected mode (and into 16bit "real" mode) on a 386/486/Pentium every time it wants to do I/O with the ethernet board. (of course, Linux is "32-bit" throughout and never did any junk like this in the first place, but then Linux never tried to run on a 286 like Win31) --------- Todd Tannenbaum CAE Model Advanced Facility email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu ph: 608-262-3118 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 15:05:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16333; Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:05:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25260; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:51:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:51:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from venus.Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25248; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 14:51:16 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by venus.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id LAA15143; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:50:41 -0700 Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA14925; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:50:36 -0700 Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11955; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:50:38 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20856; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:51:22 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 11:51:22 -0700 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9506201851.AA20856@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Can we drop this? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII While the posts about who is gouging whom may or may not have been idiotic, the subject has totally wandered off the ThinkPad topic. If you believe you are being "gouged" in price by IBM and you buy your drive elsewhere you are doing the best thing possible, voting with your wallet. Be satisfied with that. So can we get back to ThinkPads? Did anyone besides me notice that in Sun's Solaris for PowerPC press release the ThinkPad was called out by name as a supported platform? --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 15:23:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17544; Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26975; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:08:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:08:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.interactive.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26952; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:08:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daver@localhost) by ns.interactive.net (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA00466; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:08:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Roberts To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506201851.AA20856@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII :: David J. Roberts, Network Administrator ::::: Internet: djr@ACE.NET ::::: :: InterActive Networks, Inc., Paterson, New Jersey :: http://WWW.ACE.NET :: From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 15:24:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17611; Tue, 20 Jun 95 15:24:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27198; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:10:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:10:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27187; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:10:50 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA28275; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:04:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 15:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <48640B6363A@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Guy Farrell wrote: > *stuff deleted* > > The only other machines with IR capabilities that I'm aware of are the Sharp > > Wizards, and the HP palmtops. > *more stuff deleted* > > I've been looking for a PDA. Two friends, reengineering consults., > suggested the HP palmtops noting that the IR transfer works > great for sychronizing schedulers, phone books, etc. hmm....anyone know if Thinkpad IR stuff can talk to Apple Newton? Just curious http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 18:02:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26706; Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:02:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11652; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:49:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:49:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11642; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:49:52 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA04011; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:49:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:49:49 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > How about the Micro Channel bus that they screwed up marketing? > > IBM didn't so much screw up the marketing as make it impossible for the > experience card makers to produce these things. Some bright boy decided > that licensing the MCA spec meant you had to _also_ pay BACK royalties on > all the ISA cards you made. Like I said, inept management. The almighty dollar rules over common sense. Just to make a passing attempt at keeping this on-topic, some of you newcomers here might not know that the TP700 and 720 had an MCA architecture. Eventually, IBM went with a standard ISA architecture in the 750 series on up. So now you know what to say if someone asks "Thinkpad 755? Isn't that an MCA machine?" :) > > Well, IBM isn't the only one though, Sony messed up making Beta the > > standard. > > I think Sony was more a victim of the public which didn't care as much > about visual quality as being able to fit six (icky quality) hours onto a > tape instead of a measley 3.5........ I think Sony also tried to charge an outrageous amount to license Beta. Beta still lives. Most broadcast studios use the latest version, ED-Beta, for their out-of-studio camera work. -- John H. Kim (No, I don't commute between MIT and UIUC :) jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 18:07:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26732; Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:07:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12165; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12154; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:33 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA04087; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:56:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:56:30 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Hard drive upgrades (Was: Can we drop this?) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506201851.AA20856@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, Chuck McManis wrote: > While the posts about who is gouging whom may or may not have been idiotic, > the subject has totally wandered off the ThinkPad topic. If you believe you > are being "gouged" in price by IBM and you buy your drive elsewhere you are > doing the best thing possible, voting with your wallet. Be satisfied with > that. The thing is that with the plastic case, IBM has rigged it so that you can't use your old drive if you buy elsewhere. I recall a couple people posting they got 3rd party drives with non-IBM cases. I asked a couple of the companies named on this list and none sold the case separately. Has anyone found a source for just the case? Maybe one of you with a non-IBM case can name the manufacturer? > So can we get back to ThinkPads? Did anyone besides me notice that in Sun's > Solaris for PowerPC press release the ThinkPad was called out by name as a > supported platform? When is Solaris due out? I seem to recall a similar press release a couple years ago regarding Solaris for the Intel 80x86 platform. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 18:09:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26911; Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:09:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12242; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12232; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:58:31 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA04103; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:58:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 16:58:28 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, taoster! wrote: > > hmm....anyone know if Thinkpad IR stuff can talk to Apple Newton? Is the IR user-programmable? It might be neat to program in a universal remote control. It's been done for the HP calculators. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 18:11:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26923; Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:11:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12520; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:01:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:01:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asylum.sf.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12510; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:01:35 -0400 Received: (from lang@localhost) by asylum.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA05178; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:19 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:19 -0400 From: Lang Zerner Message-Id: <199506202156.RAA05178@asylum.sf.ca.us> To: phong@phsmc.synapse.net Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Patrick Hong's message of Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:45:46 -0400 (EDT) <199506191445.KAA13288@sentinel.synapse.net> Subject: User Profile Reply-To: Lang Zerner >While I had a TP755CD in my hands as its replacement, I decided to wait for >the 755CX. Hopefully I won't regret it but I figured I needed the power more >than the ability to play CD ROM games. I considered the same issue until I learned that IBM will soon be shipping a Pentium upgrade to the 755CD. With the upgrade in place, the CX has three primary advantages: thinner (the CD adds about 0.25in or 0.625cm), better screen (800x600 instead of 640x480), and longer battery life (Li+ instead of NiMH). I've also heard rumors that IBM may make Li+ batteries available for the entire 755 series late this year. For me, the integrated multimedia features were worth the reduced screen resolution and slightly increased size. The CD-ROM drive is useful for more than just games. I am a multimedia designer and use he CD-ROM drive for stock media libraries, CD-ROM-based interactive presentations, and portable database access. Even if you aren't a heavy multimedia user, keep the 755CD+Pentium upgrade option in mind. Pentium power shouldn't be the primary motivation for going with the CX--though there are other reasons that may be compelling in your case. Be seeing you... --Lang ITC Consulting Group integrated communication consulting services 915 Cole Street #151 networks * publishing * training * design San Francisco, CA 94117 +1 415 861 7688 itc@apocalypse.org From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 18:17:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27344; Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:17:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12561; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:01:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:01:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12548; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:01:56 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id RAA24343; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:55:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer To: John Kim Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, John Kim wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, taoster! wrote: > > > > hmm....anyone know if Thinkpad IR stuff can talk to Apple Newton? > > Is the IR user-programmable? It might be neat to program in a > universal remote control. It's been done for the HP calculators. There's a remote (tv/vcr) thingie for Newtons too http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 18:20:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27384; Tue, 20 Jun 95 18:20:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12639; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:03:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:02:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12626; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:02:56 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id RAA24449; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 17:56:49 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: Hard drive upgrades (Was: Can we drop this?) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU On Tue, 20 Jun 1995, John Kim wrote: > When is Solaris due out? I seem to recall a similar press release a > couple years ago regarding Solaris for the Intel 80x86 platform. Solaris for x86 has been out for quite some time http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 19:40:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01947; Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:40:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17434; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:25:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:25:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17412; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:25:33 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA16110 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:25:30 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47766; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:25:57 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PC expo impressions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Huge crowd today at the PC expo. I got a look at the new PowerPC thinkpad's. The 850 model looks really cool the screen half of it has a rounded top for the video camera and microphone. I felt underneath it and I was surprised that it wasn't searing hot like other thinkpads (perhaps the powerpc's don't get as hot as pentiums and 486's). The model they had there had 800 on it so it looks like there was a last minute model # switch to 850. The ones they had there were running either NT or AIX but not their Powerpc OS2 which is still in beta testing. Now I have to dig out all the pamphlets and magazines I picked up. Tomorrow I'll sit in at as many presentations as I can an enter all the raffles. IBM's giving away one 701C per day. I am amazed at how small those things actually are since I hadn't seen one yet. I asked one of the reps there about the 28.8 DSP upgrade and he said any day now but that it would be a flash upgrade and would NOT need a hardware upgrade. I also cleared up some confusion about the "lower" price on the CX model. What they did is make the 800x600 screen and the mwave chip options so that the base price with a 640x480 screen and no mwave chip is lower. I also found out that memory manufacturers either have now or in the next couple of months will have 64MB IC dram's. I also found a company that sells batteries and car power adapters for thinkpad's including the older 700/720 and 350 models and even the l40sx. I'll post the name and prices when I dig it out of my pile of papers. Other than that no big innovations in PCMCIA, I did see one PCMCIA card with modem/fax and ethernet with both 10base2 and 10baseT. Apparently there may be more product announcements from IBM tomorrow as well so stay tuned. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 19:43:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02022; Tue, 20 Jun 95 19:43:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17838; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:33:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:33:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from arthur.uchicago.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17827; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 19:33:39 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by arthur.uchicago.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) id SAA23541; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:33:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:33:36 -0500 From: Allen Moy Message-Id: <199506202333.SAA23541@arthur.uchicago.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: upgrading TP755C from DX2/50 to DX4/75 Cc: moy@arthur.uchicago.edu The ThinkPad 755C with an SL enhanced DX2/50 is suppose to be upgradable to a DX4/75. If anyone has done the upgrade by themselves, I would appreciate hearing the details of what needs to be done. Please e-mail me, I am not on the tp750 mail list. Thanks in advance. - Allen Moy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 20:30:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08320; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:30:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20044; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:18:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:18:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20034; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:18:05 -0400 Received: from scunix4.harvard.edu by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:18:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199506210018.UAA00378@husc.harvard.edu> Received: from fas.harvard.edu by scunix4.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19114; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:19:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:19:07 -0400 X-Sender: chan4@scunix3.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Joshua Hosseinoff From: chan4@husc.harvard.edu (Derek V. Chan) Subject: Re: PC expo impressions Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: >Huge crowd today at the PC expo. I got a look at the new PowerPC >thinkpad's. The 850 model looks really cool the screen half of it has a >rounded top for the video camera and microphone. I felt underneath it >and I was surprised that it wasn't searing hot like other thinkpads >(perhaps the powerpc's don't get as hot as pentiums and 486's). >The model they had there had 800 on it so it looks like there was a last >minute model # switch to 850. The ones they had there were running >either NT or AIX but not their Powerpc OS2 which is still in beta testing. > >Now I have to dig out all the pamphlets and magazines I picked up. >Tomorrow I'll sit in at as many presentations as I can an enter all the >raffles. IBM's giving away one 701C per day. I am amazed at how small >those things actually are since I hadn't seen one yet. > >I asked one of the reps there about the 28.8 DSP upgrade and he said any >day now but that it would be a flash upgrade and would NOT need a >hardware upgrade. I also cleared up some confusion about the "lower" >price on the CX model. What they did is make the 800x600 screen and the >mwave chip options so that the base price with a 640x480 screen and no mwave >chip is lower. >I also found out that memory manufacturers either have now or in the next >couple of months will have 64MB IC dram's. ^^^^ drooool....anyone wanna make an offer on a 32 mb RAM upgrade? >I also found a company that sells batteries and car power adapters for >thinkpad's including the older 700/720 and 350 models and even the l40sx. >I'll post the name and prices when I dig it out of my pile of papers. >Other than that no big innovations in PCMCIA, I did see one PCMCIA card >with modem/fax and ethernet with both 10base2 and 10baseT. > >Apparently there may be more product announcements from IBM tomorrow as >well so stay tuned. > >Josh Hosseinoff >hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > > -- "Dear Jim. . . IBM has been interested for some time in pursuing a business combination with Lotus. Because you have been unwilling to proceed with such a transaction, we are announcing this morning our intention to buy all of Lotus Development Corporation's outstanding common shares. . ." -- Louis V. Gerstner 6/5/95 Derek V. Chan dvchan@netcom.com chan4@fas.harvard.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 20:45:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08574; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:45:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21244; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:37:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:37:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21233; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:37:24 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12562; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:38:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:38:09 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210038.AA12562@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bogrow@primenet.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? oops, lost a decimal point, make that $1.50/meg, before Paul makes me mortgage my house! :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 20:54:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09368; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:54:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21905; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:47:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:47:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21894; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:47:03 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12644; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:47:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:47:50 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210047.AA12644@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: schou@uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? OEM prices for *any* disk you look at are around 50% of the end user price in quantity one, this is a perfectly normal margin in the industry. It is true that some of the low end disks have entered the cutthroat low margin area where no one makes money. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:06:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09762; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:06:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22806; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:58:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:58:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22795; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:58:49 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12767; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:59:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:59:28 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210059.AA12767@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Mark3M@aol.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU "Sony messed up making Beta the standard" I am not aware of anyone claiming that this was a pricing issue, do you have some interesting information on this?  From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:07:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09784; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:07:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22788; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:58:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:58:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22778; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 20:58:06 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12759; Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:58:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 20:58:48 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210058.AA12759@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? "i.e. if a genie offered to increase the capacity of your TP hard drive by 400MB, or to give you a PCMCIA SCSI card and a 1GB SCSI drive, which would you pick? Most people would opt for the latter. Just because they're not technically comparable doesn't mean we can't compare them when justifying a purchase. New technology is irrelevant if the manufacturing and design costs make it too expensive. That's not to say there aren't people who *need* the extra 400MB, just that I think IBM priced the drive ridiculously high, especially since their wholesale price suggests they could've priced it much lower." well of coufrse if an external drive is suitable this is a FAR better way to go, and of course you may very well not want to stop at what is now a rather small size (1 gig), so if this is the solution for you, go for it, since it is, as you point out, cheap, but for me, disk storage that I can't easily use on a plane does not exist. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:09:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10314; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:09:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23034; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:01:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:01:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23024; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:01:51 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12784; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:02:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:02:38 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210102.AA12784@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dwhite@shadow.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? you are right, lack of audio always makes problems in email. I will not use loaded words like idiotic in future unless I encounter idiots :-) Actually that is very unlikely on this list, which has the best signal to noise ratio of any set of email I get, and the most knowledgable set of participants (tha;s why I prefer to keep it as an email list and not open it up to all the idiots^H^H^H^H^H^Hless knowledgable folks who populate some of the newsgroups! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:11:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10601; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:11:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23194; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:03:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:03:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23183; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:03:20 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12792; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:04:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:04:07 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210104.AA12792@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dwhite@shadow.net, schou@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU well I assume that the retailer has a good $400-$500 markup on a $1800 drive, and all they do is to order it and hand it to you! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:13:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10640; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:13:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23264; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:05:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:05:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23248; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:05:12 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12800; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:06:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:06:00 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210106.AA12800@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? I looked at the Toshiba/NEC Pentium boxes. The NEC is hopeless, I never saw such a horrible pointing device anywhere (a horrible trackball on the front of the case). The Toshiba is more possible, but the trackpoint knockoff is very much inferior, and the whole machine gives an impression of much less solid engineering than the TP. They are also, at least in NYC, much harder to get hold of than the Pentium thinkpads. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:14:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10761; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:14:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23390; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:07:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:07:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23378; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:07:05 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12847; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:07:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:07:53 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210107.AA12847@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: GFARRELL@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer lots of high end notebooks have IR data transfer these days. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:23:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11221; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:23:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23873; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:14:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:14:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23862; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:14:46 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12918; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:15:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:15:32 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210115.AA12918@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Can we drop this? Solaris was also mentioned as one of the available (but not yet) OS's in the THinkpad release notes. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:41:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12077; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:41:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24991; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:33:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:33:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24981; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:33:12 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13106; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:34:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:34:00 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210134.AA13106@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: lang@asylum.sf.ca.us, phong@phsmc.synapse.net Subject: Re: User Profile Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU I am sure you can use the Li+ batteries on a 755CD, they look absolutely identical, well perhaps there is some electronic reason why you can;t, anyone know for sure. My major problem with the CD was its thickness, which I found made typing uncomfrotable on a standard height desk (this is now being typed on a CX, a colleage has my CD :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 21:41:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12080; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:41:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24936; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:31:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:31:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24926; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:31:31 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13095; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:32:15 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:32:15 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210132.AA13095@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@uni.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive upgrades (Was: Can we drop this?) "When is Solaris due out? I seem to recall a similar press release a couple years ago regarding Solaris for the Intel 80x86 platform." and Solaris has been available for Intel 80x86 for a while, with many happy users, we just ordered a copy under their special program, which is now over, where you could get a copy for university use for $99. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 22:29:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13804; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:29:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27403; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:15:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:15:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27392; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:14:59 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA07752; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:14:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9506210214.AA07752@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "John H. Kim" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:16:29 EST Reply-To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: PC expo impressions ** Reply to note from chan4@husc.harvard.edu 06/20/95 8:19pm -0400 > >I also found out that memory manufacturers either have now or in the next > >couple of months will have 64MB IC dram's. > > drooool....anyone wanna make an offer on a 32 mb RAM upgrade? $1.50/Meg! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 22:29:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13809; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:29:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27710; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:18:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:18:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns9000.furman.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27699; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:18:24 -0400 From: Received: from by ns9000.furman.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA168251126; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:18:47 -0400 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:18:18 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9506201851.AA20856@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: ThinkPad/Solaris To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Item Subject: Message text There's been some discussion about Solaris x86 recently. Contrary to another's post, my sources indicate that the $99 university price runs through the end of the month. My sources could, of course, be wrong. In any event, I recently put Linux on a desktop machine and am quite impressed with it. I might eventually get around to putting it on my ThinkPad, but that's going to be a lot more work what with my PCMCIA modem and 3Com Ethernet card. Does anyone know if Solaris x86 gets along with ThinkPads, specifically the TP 750? If so, do PCMCIA and the X-server set up fairly easily? Also, how much drive space does one need? I'll probably just go to Linux, but we just put in a bunch of Suns here at school, so Solaris x86 might be something worth looking into. One of my professors tells me that programs written for Solaris for Sparc are source compatible with Solaris x86. He just bought a PC for that purpose (a real screamer, too: 100MHz Pentium, Imagine 128; but I digress). In any event, I would appreciate any info on Solaris x86 on ThinkPads. Wesley Dunaway From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 22:36:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14050; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:36:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28139; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:24:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:24:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28129; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:24:49 -0400 Received: from ts5-02.inforamp.net (ts7-13) by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25235; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:24:00 +0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:23:59 +0500 Message-Id: <9506210224.AA25235@inforamp.net> X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Robert Dewar said: >well I assume that the retailer has a good $400-$500 markup on a $1800 >drive, and all they do is to order it and hand it to you! > > You are suggesting a markup in the range of 22 - 28%. As an IBM VAR I can assure you that these margins do not exist. The competition amongst resellers, superstores and IBM Direct certainly precludes this. A dealer is typically making 5-8% on a TP, and possibly 10 - 12% on peripherals. This equates to possibly $200.00. For my maybe $200.00, I would have counselled the client as to his options, sent a technician to install the drive, and probably copied the clients software from the old drive to the new drive. Or at least, formatted the drive and installed the operating system, to be sure that everything is right. I would also intercede on their behalf if there were any subsequent service issues. And by the way, I would pay my supplier in 30 days, and wait 60 days to get paid. Oh yeh, I may have absorbed the costs of shipping, bad debts, etc., etc. And then there is the issue of getting inventory....... John Allman Plexxus Technologies Inc. Markham (Toronto), Ontario From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 22:44:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14361; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:44:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28913; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:34:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:34:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28903; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:34:30 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13762; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:35:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:35:12 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210235.AA13762@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: PC expo impressions "> drooool....anyone wanna make an offer on a 32 mb RAM upgrade? $1.50/Meg! :)" right, who would pay more, when instead of getting a 64meg RAM card, you can attach a big disk on a PCMICIA plug and get far more storage far more cheaply :-) :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 22:45:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14372; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:45:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29074; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:36:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:36:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29064; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:36:16 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13770; Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:37:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:37:05 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210237.AA13770@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: question on lithium ion batteries I asked this before, and someone answered that Li-ion batteries were ideal, but did not actually answer the question. My question is: does it do any harm to leave a Li-ion battery in place, charging in the TP. I notice that the TP keeps it at 100% charge all the time (instead of doing the down to 90% game it playes with NiCad's) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 23:11:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15179; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:11:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00577; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:00:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:00:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00558; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:00:02 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06253 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:59:57 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:46 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:31:49 CDT for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 21:28:00 CDT In-Reply-To: <9506201259.AA18017@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL While I do not object to the principle of IBM being able to get whatever they can get for their product, it does rankle when the bare drive is sold for $1,000 less than the drive in a plastic box with a piece of wire, a label, and two connectors with a bit of cable between them. I would happily pay $200 for IBM's box and related paraphernalia. sigh. Ron. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 23:13:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15400; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:13:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00946; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:04:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:04:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00935; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:04:05 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13959; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:04:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:04:48 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210304.AA13959@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: plexxus@inforamp.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? gosh, my reseller makes FAR more than that on a thinkpad, strange .... you are really saying you buy TP's for only $350 under list ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 23:50:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18898; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:50:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03270; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:39:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:39:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03260; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:39:46 -0400 Received: from ts5-02.inforamp.net (ts7-13) by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29277; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:38:58 +0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:38:57 +0500 Message-Id: <9506210338.AA29277@inforamp.net> X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU >gosh, my reseller makes FAR more than that on a thinkpad, strange .... >you are really saying you buy TP's for only $350 under list ... > > No, I did not say that. Did you pay full list for your TP? John Allman Plexxus Technologies Inc. Markham (Toronto), Ontario From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 20 23:53:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19078; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:53:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03697; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:44:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:44:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03687; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:44:17 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1261; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:45:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9506210345.AA1261@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F645B4A1FB36D411852561E200112880; Tue, 20 Jun 95 23:45:26 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 20 Jun 95 23:17:25 Subject: Trackpoint knockoffs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...such a horrible pointing device anywhere (a horrible trackball on the front of the case). The Toshiba is more possible, but the trackpoint knockoff is very much inferior, and the whole machine gives an impression of much less..." ~~~~~~~~~~ I have Toshibas, Gateways and TIs in the office, all with trackpoint knockoffs & none come close to the real thing (the TI 4000M is a DISTANT second). The only non-mouse pointing device I've seen that's as responsive as the Trackpoint II is the square finger pad on a Mac Powerbook. Michael J. Verne Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. "I god guts, no more braims." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:06:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23758; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:06:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04387; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04377; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:41 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA16384; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199506210354.XAA16384@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:18:18 EDT." Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 23:54:33 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > In any event, I recently put Linux on a desktop machine and am quite > impressed with it. I might eventually get around to putting it on my > ThinkPad, but that's going to be a lot more work what with my PCMCIA > modem and 3Com Ethernet card. > > Does anyone know if Solaris x86 gets along with ThinkPads, specifically > the TP 750? Last I knew, Solaris x86 did not run on the ThinkPad. This could be considered a feature. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:30:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26023; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:30:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06282; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:20:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:20:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06261; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:20:36 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14621; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:21:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:21:15 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210421.AA14621@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Trackpoint knockoffs right, it is very important to realize that the trackpoint lookalikes are NOT work alikes, many of them are real junk. I read a review recently of the butterfly which said something like "as you know, I usually severely criticize trackpoint type devices, but the one on the 701 is very good -- bla bla" (!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:32:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26044; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:32:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06326; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:20:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:20:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06309; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:20:50 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA20660; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:20:45 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA21116; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:20:44 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506210420.VAA21116@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: fox@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU (David Fox) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506200855.AA09064@FIRST.CS.NYU.EDU> from "David Fox" at Jun 20, 95 04:55:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Now I agree that what we want is a smaller drive for our notebook > > machines--in a 2.5" factor, and I don't argue that it would typically cost > > more--but at nearly $1,795, 5 to 6 TIMES as much? > As much as we'd all like to buy 1.2 gig notebook hard disks for rock > bottom prices direct from IBM the minute they roll out of the research > labs, I don't think their decision not to get into this type of > commodity market constitutes marketing ineptitude. For quite a few > people these prices are worth paying. For those of us who can't > afford them, IBM is prudent enough to let us wait a month or two. Who said anything about commodity pricing? I granted a 2 to 3 times the commodity multiple for the specialty notebook product--IBM is asking 5 to 6 times. The only reason there are people that actually *pay* that outrageous price is because they are forced to--they have no other option. As IBM has shown us with our 170 and 340 MB drives, 3rd parties aren't an option (at least not until a year or two later). They make something weird--2 mm different in height than all the rest on the market or put a funky plastic case on it that you can't get anywhere\else, etc. >if you think this is a mistake you should check IBM's recent quarterly > reports to its stockholders. I will remind you that IBM's PC-direct division has made its turnaround in the past couple of years due to two items: (1) FINALLY setting normal, non-predatory prices on their desktop PC's which are on par with the other PC makers (though, like Compaq--which lowered its own prices--still a bit higher than their clone surroundings) and (2) certain proprietary technologies/features that make the ThinkPad series as great as it is. Hence, the unique featuers make it enough of a value-added package to justify the premium--but even then, it is a premium of perhaps 2 (maybe 3, in some cases) times the cost of the "commodity" notebook machines, not 5 or 6 times--and also fairly on par with its premium competitors like Toshiba. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:34:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26578; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:34:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06708; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:24:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:24:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06697; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:24:20 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14689; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:25:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:25:06 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210425.AA14689@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU our information was that Solaris does run on the thinkpad, but we will let you know when we actually try it! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:54:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28070; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:54:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07879; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:43:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:43:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07858; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:43:05 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14873; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:43:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:43:52 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210443.AA14873@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: fox@first.cs.nyu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU I don't consider the price outrageous, I am happy to pay it, it is a good deal, now I just hope the availability is there, since these 1.2 gig drives are in very scarce supply. Randy, just don't buy it, no one is forcing you to buy it, and there are plenty of people who need it and who consider the price reasonable. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:54:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28076; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:54:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07901; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:44:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:44:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asylum.sf.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07891; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:44:02 -0400 Received: (from lang@localhost) by asylum.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA15255; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:43:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:43:54 -0400 From: Lang Zerner Message-Id: <199506210443.AAA15255@asylum.sf.ca.us> To: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Todd Tannenbaum's message of Mon, 19 Jun 1995 10:12:35 -0500 <199506191512.KAA18716@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> Subject: New member Reply-To: Lang Zerner Re: Mwave support in Windows 95, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu writes: >my experience: I am using build 480 (and have a friend using build 490). >both of us have no problem with win95 and mwave. the trick: install win95 >"on top of" your existing windows installation. win95 setup will then use >your 16-bit windows 3.1 mwave drivers (they work fine under win95). I am using the so-labeled "Preview" edition, which I believe is build 347. I installed it in a fresh directory, but all that got me was an occasional click when starting up Win95. Installing on top of Win 3.1 trashed my DOS system and got an out of memory message when Win95 tried to start up the Desktop. I guess I'll just have to wait for the next general-availability release. :-) Be seeing you... --Lang ITC Consulting Group integrated communication consulting services 915 Cole Street #151 networks * publishing * training * design San Francisco, CA 94117 +1 415 861 7688 itc@apocalypse.org From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 00:59:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28263; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:59:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08102; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:48:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:48:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08090; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:48:03 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA21899; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:48:01 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA23646; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:48:00 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506210448.VAA23646@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 21:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506201259.AA18017@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 20, 95 08:59:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > it always amazes me when people think they know how to price things. I > note that Randy Whittle is in the graduate school of business, so no doubt > you understand pricing, but just because *you* are willing to buy the > TV tuner at $400 and not $1000 is NOT a measure of market elasticity, > and of course you have no idea what the devlopment costs or even the > cost of manufacture is. True--and I don't have enough information to make a judgement on how much it cost them to design this thing (though I don't doubt that it probably cost them more than it would most other companies), so its hard to say where they calculated their break-even shipment numbers (i.e., the number of units they need to sell at this price to recoup their development and ramp-up costs). Perhaps having a brother that has worked for IBM in the marketing area (helping to drive OS/2, for those of you who are interested) for upwards of 10 years and hearing too much of the stuff that goes on in the "inside" has jaded me a bit. Far be it from me to suggest that perhaps political pressures overshadow some good marketing decisions from time to time--on the other hand, what the heck--I just said it. ;) > There is a huge demand for these 1.2 gig disks at the (very reasonable) > price that IBM is asking, and I would guess that they can sell all of > them that they can make. For a little while, this may be true (and maybe all the good reason in the world for them to price it the way they have, perhaps with intent to adjust to something more reasonable in the near future). But I suspect it is largely because the drive is made to a non-standard size and hence forces many people to have little choice in the matter. A good captive-marketing ploy that works well with razor blades in shaving handles, but has a tendency to burn one's self when taken too far in the computing marketplace (Microchannel architecture, for example). Proprietary aspects are quite literally *key* to capturing parts of markets, but if done in the wrong areas or in the wrong way, it can alienate that very market. I'm not saying that will happen to IBM with this one pricing maneuver, but I *am* saying that I don't believe it is a step in the proper direction. I also said that about the 170 and 340 MB drives way back when. Prices eventually came into line (after virtually everyone here bitched and moaned about the over-priced wonders). How did they get away with it then? There were no substitutes--they made them just *different* enough that you couldn't get non-IBM drives so most people were forced to get the IBM ones. Is it safe to say that IBM was making a *more* than healthy profit on those things? Elasticity issues aside, the general rule of thumb is the lower prices = more units sold thing. Perhaps IBM makes their decisions based on maximizing dollar figures based on projections showing fewer units sold but more $ brought in--I don't really know. I do say that I wish that weren't the case. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 01:07:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28661; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:07:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08275; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:51:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:51:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08258; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:51:01 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14933; Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:51:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 00:51:49 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210451.AA14933@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU " Elasticity issues aside, the general rule of thumb is the lower prices = more units sold thing. Perhaps IBM makes their decisions based on maximizing dollar figures based on projections showing fewer units sold but more $ brought in--I don't really know. I do say that I wish that weren't the case." of course they price to maximize revenue based on an estimate of elasticity of the market, this is after all economics 101! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 01:16:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28737; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:16:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08921; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:05:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:05:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08909; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:05:49 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA22636; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:05:47 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA24962; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:05:46 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506210505.WAA24962@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:05:46 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506201305.AA18134@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 20, 95 09:05:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > " What does historical prices have to do with IBM's *current* > pricing on this drive being so *far* out of whack with the current > market?" > > You have not given a shred of evidence that this is "out of whack" with > the current market. That would be hard to do, as IBM is leading this > market technologically, so right now, there are no comparison points. Did someone not already point out that IBM was providing these drives to OEM's for resale/inclusion in their machines at the low price of $800 or so? Robert, does this or does this not tell you something? Quantity discounts aside, this should tell you that IBM can sell these things at a *lot* lower price and still make money. Now I don't expect the consumer to get OEM prices, but paying well in excess of 2x as much as the OEM does is a pretty nifty trick. From a pricing point of view--and I'm speaking this only from my education and experience--it appears to me that priced it at a point where they could maximize their dollar--maybe. I personally think they could do better by pricing it lower and selling more of them. *But*-- maybe they can't make enough and this is their way of controlling demand. There are many reasons for pricing--perceived value being the best method. But all you get with that one is the suckers (or the desparate). Their money is as good as anyone else's, so I see no reason not to take it. I just consider the extent that IBM has taken it in this instance to be a bit insulting to its customers. The OEM pricing shows it certainly isn't necessary. This is the "old" IBM resurfacing. They can't afford to keep doing that regularly. > you may say, well I don't want a small disk if its that expensive. Fine, > that's up to you, but lots of us need the maximum disk space on a notebok > and are willing to pay the price, which is good, since it provides the > funding to keep this technology marching forward. Personally, if there > were a 3 gigi 2.5" disk at $3000 or so, I would order it immediately. And I quite thank you for providing the funding to finance the cutting technology which I will later buy much cheaper. ;) ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 01:20:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28917; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:20:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09262; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:11:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:10:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09238; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:10:55 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA15124; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:11:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:11:41 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210511.AA15124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU " Robert, does this or does this not tell you something? Quantity discounts aside, this should tell you that IBM can sell these things at a *lot* lower price and still make money. Now I don't expect the consumer to get OEM prices, but paying well in excess of 2x as much as the OEM does is a pretty nifty trick." A factor of 2 is normal in OEM deals, the disks that you think are such good buys at $400 probably cost Gateway 2000 half that amount. That kind of markup is normal, remember it includes a substantial markup for the dealer as well as the cost of doing bsuiness on an individual unit basis instead of a much more desirable OEM deal. Note that you are looking at *list* prices here, a dealer that charges you list is making a good profit, never mind IBM. If my regular reseller could get one, I could get it well under list, but unfortunately there just aren't *anY* of these 1.2 gig disks in the regular channels, they are DRY! zdp From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 01:22:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29070; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:22:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09292; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:11:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:11:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09243; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:10:55 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id BAA16643; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:10:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199506210510.BAA16643@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Cc: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:25:06 EDT." <9506210425.AA14689@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:10:47 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > our information was that Solaris does run on the thinkpad, but we will > let you know when we actually try it! I should have said that Solaris did not run on the TP750. The 750 has some compatibility bugs which are fixed in later models. For all I know, Sun has worked around the TP750 bugs also. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 01:27:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29217; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:27:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09577; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:16:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:16:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09566; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:16:50 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA23474; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:16:45 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA25908; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:16:44 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506210516.WAA25908@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Jun 20, 95 02:12:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > How about the Micro Channel bus that they screwed up marketing? > > IBM didn't so much screw up the marketing as make it impossible for the > experience card makers to produce these things. Some bright boy decided > that licensing the MCA spec meant you had to _also_ pay BACK royalties on > all the ISA cards you made. Meaning nobody with the existing > ability/resources to make MCA cards could afford to. Which explains why > most of the MCA cards you find|found are IBM or some new company you > never heard of.... Pricing does come under the marketing categoy though, and in this sense, IBM did indeed screw up this marketing maneuver. > > Well, IBM isn't the only one though, Sony messed up making Beta the standard. > > I think Sony was more a victim of the public which didn't care as much > about visual quality as being able to fit six (icky quality) hours onto a > tape instead of a measley 3.5........ The biggest issue was that Sony refused to license Beta until too late, and when they did, the licensing fee was way past reasonable (not unlike the MCA thing above). When they finally *did* get it right, it was too late--VHS reached critical mass and the rest is history. They still have their professional market niche though. :) ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 01:48:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00274; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:48:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10471; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:37:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:37:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10461; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:37:54 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA24811 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:37:48 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA27850 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:37:47 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506210537.WAA27850@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:37:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9506210443.AA14873@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 21, 95 00:43:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't consider the price outrageous, I am happy to pay it, it is a good > deal, now I just hope the availability is there, since these 1.2 gig > drives are in very scarce supply. Randy, just don't buy it, no one is > forcing you to buy it, and there are plenty of people who need it and > who consider the price reasonable. C'mon Robert--you're not saying that with a straight face, are you? You're buying the drive because you need/want the space and are willing to pay any price to get it. That's all. You're happy to have the drive, true--but I simply don't buy that you're happy to pay that outrageous price for it. You know darn well that you gritted your teeth when you handed over the credit card number (either that or you are independently wealthy and money is never an issue with you). Does the term "cognitive dissonance" mean anything to you? Perhaps another listmember can expound on it. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 02:08:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01502; Wed, 21 Jun 95 02:08:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11299; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:55:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:55:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11280; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:55:33 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA25514 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:55:30 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA29433 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:55:29 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506210555.WAA29433@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:55:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9506210511.AA15124@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 21, 95 01:11:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > " Robert, does this or does this not tell you something? Quantity > discounts aside, this should tell you that IBM can sell these things at > a *lot* lower price and still make money. Now I don't expect the > consumer to get OEM prices, but paying well in excess of 2x as much > as the OEM does is a pretty nifty trick." > > A factor of 2 is normal in OEM deals, the disks that you think are such > good buys at $400 probably cost Gateway 2000 half that amount. That > kind of markup is normal, remember it includes a substantial markup > for the dealer as well as the cost of doing bsuiness on an individual > unit basis instead of a much more desirable OEM deal. I don't believe that hefty margin turnaround for the OEM is in the realm of reality. Did you not mention a 50% margin figure? That I could perhaps see (though it still seems a bit high). But the jump from the OEM $800 price to the consumer price of just shy of $1800 is a full 125% markup difference. That's simply unheard of. VERY few industries have even *remotely* that kind of markup margin (though the lingerie industry comes to mind. ;) Anyone else with more knowledge in this area care to comment? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 02:10:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01528; Wed, 21 Jun 95 02:10:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11418; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:57:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:57:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11406; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 01:57:46 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA15453; Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:58:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 01:58:34 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506210558.AA15453@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? sorry, there was no grittin of teeth, I consider this price totally reasonable for this technology, and I consider your attitude uniformed by the realities of the situation. Just because something is not worth while to you does not mean that people share your view. We are probably simply at different price points. Tomorrow, I am going out to PC Expo to find about buying 64 meg cards, I would expect the price to be in the $4000 range, but if I can get it for that it will be well worth it to me. If you can't afford to buy at the cutting edge of technology, fine, wait a bit. I have kept up with the cutting edge of TP technology all along (I owned a 700C, 720C, 750C, 755CD, and my current machine is a 755CX) yes, it costs a lot to do this, but for me it is well worth while, since it gives me a really excellent machine on which I do all my work (my desktop 90MHz Pentium machine with 64meg or memory and 2 gigs of disk is no longer in use). I am certainly not independently wealthy, wish I were, and money is always an issue, since there are lots of things I would like but cannot afford, or that I think are overpriced, but the 1.2 gig disk is not among them. In fact I will end up paying less for the 1.2 gig disk than I payed for the 810 meg disk when it first came out. no cognitive dissonance here, as I said this whole discussoin reminds me of people who have decided that it costs $90 to go to Florida, and are outraged when they have to pay $700 to do it for a one day trip with no advance purchase. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 03:02:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07312; Wed, 21 Jun 95 03:02:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13985; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:47:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:47:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13971; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:47:27 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA16996; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:47:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199506210647.CAA16996@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP), moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jun 1995 22:37:47 PDT." <199506210537.WAA27850@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:47:20 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Lest anyone think otherwise, IBM is *not* bending over backwards to give anyone a good deal on a hard disk. They are making money. They don't give a damn about whether they screw the customer as long as it doesn't affect their bottom line (much). They realize that by putting an incompatible interface on their hard disk, they can charge several hundred dollars more for that disk than for an ordinary disk -- and force the customer to pay their prices. It won't work forever -- sooner or later competitors will force them to lower their prices -- , but they can make a lot of money in the year or two that it takes competitors to catch up. By then, they'll have new models out with some other incompatible feature. IBM has a LONG history of doing this. Read the book _Big Blue_ sometime and see if you don't recognize the tactics >from that book in the marketing strategy of the IBM of today. The strategy works because customers don't usually consider the cost of upgrades, when buying new equipment. But it's a good bet that a lot of ThinkPad users will eventually want a bigger hard disk. They may even be able to sell some of their less fancy laptops at reduced margins because they know that many customers will want to upgrade. IBM makes good hardware and they always have. But if you buy IBM, you may be paying for it longer than you thought at first. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 03:23:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08280; Wed, 21 Jun 95 03:23:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15886; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:11:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:11:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15865; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:11:05 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA19788 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:10:56 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id IAA12019; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:15:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199506210615.IAA12019@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:15:02 -0600 In-Reply-To: Joshua Hosseinoff's message as of Jun 20, 7:25pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: Joshua Hosseinoff , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Lower Price on 755CX On Jun 20, 7:25pm, Joshua Hosseinoff wrote: } Subject: Lower Price on 755CX } This is a nice trick by IBM, make the DSP chip no longer standard so they } can lower the price on the 755CX, and instead offer the DSP as an option. } very sneaky. I almost thought that the "DSP upgrade" meant a new DSP, } but apparently not. Right. It looks like the same MWAVE DSP chip as is in some of the other 755. This is a bit sneaky, but you know, for those of us who see the 755 as a neat Linux box, the scaled-down CX looks attractive, because we can replace the unsupported sound/modem stuff by supported, albeit external, stuff. Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 03:34:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08537; Wed, 21 Jun 95 03:34:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17187; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:24:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:24:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bos1f.delphi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17177; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:24:03 -0400 From: Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #10880) id <01HRYBOTYPFG8Y9YS4@delphi.com>; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: User profile To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HRYBOTYPFI8Y9YS4@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Hello, I am new to the list. I'm waiting for the delivery of a thinkpad 755cd/ 16RAM/810HD. I currently have an IBM ps/2 (SX16 boo!!) that I purchased in 89. It was state of the art then, but now it's so slow I hate to use it, and the drive is going out. I am interested in using photo CD software, as I am a writer and photograher. I am also interereted in voice recognition software. I was curious if anybody is familiar with Dragon dictate and what the system requirements are. I Use both Dos and Windows environments. Later, MARGARITABAT@delphi.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 03:45:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09202; Wed, 21 Jun 95 03:45:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18278; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:34:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:34:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18268; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:34:20 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA20905; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:33:59 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA12517; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:33:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199506210733.JAA12517@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:33:58 -0600 In-Reply-To: Robert Dewar's message as of Jun 21, 9:08am X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar), Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU On Jun 21, 9:08am, Robert Dewar wrote: } Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris } our information was that Solaris does run on the thinkpad, but we will } let you know when we actually try it! I'm just wondering. I'm a user of both Solaris and Linux, and I frankly can't see an argument for Solaris over Linux. Is it that Solaris' meagre software base is bigger that Linux's? Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 04:12:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09747; Wed, 21 Jun 95 04:12:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20876; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:54:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:54:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20866; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:54:33 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA21691; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:54:08 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA12678; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:54:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199506210754.JAA12678@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:54:06 -0600 In-Reply-To: 's message as of Jun 21, 9:18am X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris On Jun 21, 9:18am, wrote: } In any event, I recently put Linux on a desktop machine and am quite } impressed with it. I might eventually get around to putting it on my } ThinkPad, but that's going to be a lot more work what with my PCMCIA } modem and 3Com Ethernet card. I don't have either card, but I believe Linux supports both classes of card, directly in the kernel and as loadable modules. My NE2000 clone simply worked on my 755CE without my having to think about it. My OS/2 install went much less cleanly, and after installing Linux it has not been used. I should say that you should get a kernel later than 1.2.7 (I just installed 1.2.10), because some performance problems with my ethernet card disappeared after around 1.2.8. Now I'm getting in excess of 5Mb/sec on thinwire but only about half that on twisted pair (dunno why--I don't know the technology). Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 04:28:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10522; Wed, 21 Jun 95 04:28:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22579; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:17:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:17:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22569; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:17:23 -0400 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA43091; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:17:21 GMT Message-Id: <199506210817.AA43091@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip144-197.ut.nl.ibm.net(129.37.144.197) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma8U4De7; Wed Jun 21 08:17:18 1995 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:11:49 EDT From: phalf@ibm.net (Peter James Halford) Reply-To: phalf@ibm.net (Peter James Halford) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: 750C/755CE - 4SALE! I don't remember if it's bad etiquette to post 'for sale' messages on this list, so forgive me if I'm being a bad boy. I have two machines, personally owned by myself and lovingly cared for. The prices will seem a little steep for state-side tastes, but here in Holland ( where I would like to sell them ) prices are a good 40-50% higher ( add another 17.5% tax if you buy privately ) than in the US. Anyone interested, either send EMAIL or call me on ( Holland ) 02907-5551 during business hours, or 02907-8089 after 6pm CET. Thinkpad 750C ============ 486DX[SL]/33, 12Mb RAM, 170Mb HDD, 1.44Mb FDD 10.4" Active matrix colour display 16 bit AUDIO with integrated loud speaker and microphone input jack NiMH "smart type" battery 40W International Power Supply UK layout keyboard with Trackpoint II pointing device USRobotics 14.4K PCMCIA DATA/FAX MODEM 20+ months remaining on international warranty Original IBM carry case Asking: Dfl.5,000- [ Dutch Guilders ] Thinkpad 755CE ============= 486DX/4-100, 16Mb RAM, 810Mb HDD, 1.44Mb FDD 10.4" Active matrix colour [ 'black on matrix' ] display [ 65535 colour type ] Integrated MWAVE DSP: o 14.4K FAX/DATA MODEM ( 28.8K software upgrade available shortly ) o Full 'Sound-Blaster' compatible game audio ( Doom no problem! ) o Hands-free speakerphone with internal microphone and speaker o Voice mailbox software with fax-forwarding Infra-Red communications ports 40W International Power Supply US Keyboard with Trackpoint III pointing device 33+ months remaining on International Warranty ( 3 months old ) New IBM carry case Asking: Dfl.11,000- [ Dutch Guilders ] Naturally, since this would be a private sale there would be no BTW payable... Kind regards, Peter J Halford Amsterdam From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 04:46:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11091; Wed, 21 Jun 95 04:46:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23580; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:33:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:33:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23570; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:33:08 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12871; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 03:33:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9506210833.AA12871@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "John H. Kim" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 04:34:39 EST Reply-To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? ** Reply to note from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us 06/20/95 9:28pm CDT > While I do not object to the principle of IBM being able to get whatever > they can get for their product, it does rankle when the bare drive is > sold for $1,000 less than the drive in a plastic box with a piece of > wire, a label, and two connectors with a bit of cable between them. I > would happily pay $200 for IBM's box and related paraphernalia. sigh. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There's another way to do it it. Instead of buying a 1.2 GB Thinkpad drive, buy a 1.2 GB bare drive and a 170 MB Thinkpad drive. Open 170 MB case, replace with 1.2 GB drive, sell 170 MB drive. Does somebody with the prices handy want to figure how much that works out to? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 06:11:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14657; Wed, 21 Jun 95 06:11:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03813; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 05:53:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 05:53:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from venus.Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03798; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 05:53:24 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM by venus.Sun.COM (Sun.COM) id CAA22588; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:52:46 -0700 Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-5.3) id AA28015; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:52:45 -0700 Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA15631; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:52:42 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04137; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:53:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:53:25 -0700 From: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9506210953.AA04137@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr > I'm just wondering. I'm a user of both Solaris and Linux, and I frankly > can't see an argument for Solaris over Linux. Is it that Solaris' meagre > software base is bigger that Linux's? Fix your own bugs or have someone else fix them for you. Linux is great if you can either fix any bug you encounter, or have someone who can. A commercial OS (doesn't have to be solaris) is better when you can't maintain it yourself. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 07:47:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18135; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:47:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07676; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:31:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:31:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07664; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:31:10 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13924; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:31:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:31:58 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211131.AA13924@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? if you never heard of these kind of markups from OEM quantity purchaes to quantity 1 end user list prices at a dealer, you just do not know this industry at all. Such markups, and much larger markups are very common. In the software area, OEM deals are sometimes discounted as much as 90%. The same is true for large chip deals. In the case of disks, providing a multi-year guarantee is in itself very expensive, and markups of this type are pretty much standard. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 07:57:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18816; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:57:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08272; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:44:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:44:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08261; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:44:00 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14062; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:44:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:44:39 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211144.AA14062@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr, hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Lower Price on 755CX be careful the scaled-down CX is a VGA model, not SVGA. To me, the major attraction of the CX is he 600x800 screen, so this is a big difference. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:00:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18853; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:00:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08477; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:48:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:48:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08467; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:48:33 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14120; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:49:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:49:12 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211149.AA14120@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU we want to run Solaris so we can support our products on Solaris, we already support Linux, that's not the issue. Probably in practice what appeals to people is the idea of the same OS on their Suns and PC's. And yes, I think it is true that the software situation looks much better on Solaris, though I don't know if this really applies to the x86 version, sure it is source compatible, but that does not mean that commercial proprietary products have nbecessarily been ported, e.g. can you get Frame for Solaris x86? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:04:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18869; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:04:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08520; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:50:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:50:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08508; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:49:59 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14204; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:50:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:50:48 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211150.AA14204@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: help on ethernet PCMCIA card I need the following for my TP 755CX a 10baseT ethernet card that will be conveniently supported from OS/2 for interface to a network of Unix machines running the usual protocols. Also what software do I need over Warp. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:10:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19653; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:10:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08911; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:56:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:56:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08900; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:56:26 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14268; Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:57:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:57:13 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211157.AA14268@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? "There's another way to do it it. Instead of buying a 1.2 GB Thinkpad drive, buy a 1.2 GB bare drive and a 170 MB Thinkpad drive. Open 170 MB case, replace with 1.2 GB drive, sell 170 MB drive. Does somebody with the prices handy want to figure how much that works out to?" that of course won't work now, because bare 1.2 gig drives are not available in the end market. Later on that is perfectly reasonable, and others have done this with smaller drives. Of course you are losing the guarantee, but if you don't care about guarantees, this is a pefectly reasonable approach. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:11:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19669; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:11:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08749; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:54:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:54:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08735; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 07:54:14 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01369; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:53:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA15578; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:53:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199506211153.NAA15578@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:53:56 -0600 In-Reply-To: Chuck McManis's message as of Jun 21, 12:16pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (Chuck McManis), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr On Jun 21, 12:16pm, Chuck McManis wrote: } Fix your own bugs or have someone else fix them for you. Linux is great } if you can either fix any bug you encounter, or have someone who can. } A commercial OS (doesn't have to be solaris) is better when you can't } maintain it yourself. This is exactly what I thought would happen when I first jumped on the Linux bandwagon, but I haven't had to do any kernel modifications. I recall with great fondness all the kernel hacks I had to do on the old SunOS to get graphics devices to work. At any rate, I can't see a big difference between having a Linux-aware sysadmin and a Solaris-aware sysadmin. Parenthetically, in a research shop, having the OS source code can be very handy. Sun machines and software have a well-deserved reputation for file serving. I wouldn't want to change that (if it ain't broke...). But I don't yet see a strong argument for Solaris (or other commercial UNIX) over things like Linux, for workstations and pads. I don't mean to come off as a Linux advocate. In fact, I would appreciate hearing a stronger case for commerical OS's. Eugene. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:19:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19875; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:19:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09091; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:00:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:00:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09077; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:00:49 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14326; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:01:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:01:22 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211201.AA14326@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr "Fix your own bugs or have someone else fix them for you. Linux is great if you can either fix any bug you encounter, or have someone who can. A commercial OS (doesn't have to be solaris) is better when you can't maintain it yourself." whether software is supported or not has nothing to do with it being proprietary (which is what I assume you meant when you said commercial, the two terms are unrelated). There is proprietary software for which you can get no support There is free software for which you can get commercial support (Linux is among these, if you want commercial support for Linux, you can buy it from at least one company, and you will, I would guess get FAR better support that Sun will give you on Solaris, what's the last time that Sun emailed you a fix in rapid response to a reported bug in Solaris?) In brief, the sentiment of the quoted paragraph here is typical of the propaganda output by people selling proprietary software, don't be foooled by it!. You shoudl know that I am president of a company (Ada Core Technologies) that provides commercial support for free software (GNAT, the Ada 95 version of the GCC compiler), so I am certainly not a disinterested party! Robert Dewar ACT From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:28:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20608; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:28:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09763; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:15:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:15:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09743; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:15:08 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA02456; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:14:58 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA15776; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:14:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199506211214.OAA15776@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:14:57 -0600 In-Reply-To: Robert Dewar's message as of Jun 21, 2:02pm X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar), TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? On Jun 21, 2:02pm, Robert Dewar wrote: } In the case of disks, } providing a multi-year guarantee is in itself very expensive, and markups } of this type are pretty much standard. }-- End of excerpt from Robert Dewar I know squat about disk pricing, so this discussion is interesting to me, but I think the above point is frequently overlooked (judging by how often I overlook it myself). The level and length of support that IBM provides is one reason why many of us have bought this "overpriced" hardware in the first place. Does anyone have an educated ballpark figure regarding the mean per pad cost for support over three years? Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 08:58:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21925; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:58:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11538; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:44:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:44:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11513; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:43:57 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14611; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:43:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:43:31 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211243.AA14611@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? "Does anyone have an educated ballpart figure regarding the mean per pad cost for support over three years" That's tough, let's approach it by using the data in the PC magazine survey: 18% of IBM notebooks required service in the last 6 months 28% of IBM notebooks required service in the first year Let's guess that the figure for needing service in the first three years (the guarantee period) is 60%. Let's use Easyserv as a model shipping: $50 support over phone to setup service: $50 well actually that's low I think, $100 might be more like it administrative paper work: $100 parts and labor $400 so that comes to about $500/TP near enough. This is of course VERY rough, but it is probably the right binary order of magnitude. Now of course this does NOT count the cost of the telephone service for assistance. I would guess that a typical customer consumes a few hours over three years at least, some consume far more. probably the cost of this kind of service is of the order of $100/hour, so there is another $few hundred. All in all we might be taslking $1000/TP for total service costs .... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 09:21:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23769; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:21:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12900; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:02:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:02:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12889; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:02:53 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1428; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:04:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9506211304.AA1428@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 0CCE2FD1BD0B74A9852561E200469AE3; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:03:59 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 21 Jun 95 8:58:45 Subject: Re: help on ethernet PCMCIA card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "I need the following for my TP 755CX a 10baseT ethernet card that will be conveniently supported from OS/2 for interface to a network of Unix machines running the usual protocols. Also what software do I need over Warp." ~~~~~~~~~~ If, by OS/2, you mean 2.X: 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet Adapter IIps. 10-2/10-T. $210.00. Comes with OS/2 NDIS drivers. Don't know anything about Unix machines, but protocol is protocol. Don't know how Warp will handle it. If that doesn't do it, PC Direct might have something that will. Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. "I god guts, no more braims." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 09:46:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24799; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:46:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15173; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:30:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:30:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15107; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:29:56 -0400 Received: from darkwing.cs.utexas.edu (mschaef@darkwing.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.143.204]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA11069 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:29:54 -0500 Received: by darkwing.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/Client-v1.4) id IAA29515; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:29:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:29:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Schaeffer To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? In-Reply-To: <199506210555.WAA29433@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is getting old... fast. I get flamed for writing one response about NeXTStep on the mailing list, and now nobody seems to mind this ongoing economics debate. Yeah, $1800 is too high, but if that's what IBM wants to charge, so be it. Wait a while, and there'll be better options. -Mike From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 10:11:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25789; Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:11:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16488; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:46:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:46:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16460; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:46:13 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1447; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:47:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9506211347.AA1447@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 66B6C95B1355988E852561E20049EA0C; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:47:19 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 21 Jun 95 9:46:21 Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "Does anyone have an educated ballpart figure regarding the mean per pad cost for support over three years" ~~~~~~~~~~ The Mobiles group (including Easy Serv) at IBM's PC Company's Personal Systems Help Center employs about 60-70 call-takers at $27,500/year plus (only recently) benefits. One in ten is a product specialist making in the low 30s. Plus a percentage of the Cross-Products group (about 30 total employees) and the Operating Systems group (another 60-70 employees), both of which spend a portion of their time supporting Thinkpads. Add in the percentage of PC Company administration, rent, light bill, return shipping, internal IS dept, legal services and cafeteria that the Mobiles group eats up over there on Cornwallis Rd and divide that by the number of Thinkpads sold. (I doubt PSNote laptops are a significant portion, as support for them is going fee-based.) I h ave no clue where this leaves the cost of technical support, but just try to get Compaq on the phone. The PSHC isn't great, but it's better than most & you'll find the same lack of knowledge everywhere in the industry. Nobody can keep good tech support for more than a year because, for an intelligent person, the work sucks. Everyone treats it like a resume builder because, with half a brain, you can get a good PC education doing tech support & move on to a better job somewhere else. I'm don't often jump to IBM's defense (primarily because I used to work for the PSHC & IBM is a lousy employer), but there is much worse support out there. Anyway, if you're figuring the cost of tech support, this might help. Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. "I god guts, no more braims." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 10:11:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25794; Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:11:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16932; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16897; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:50:33 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16737; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:51:19 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:51:19 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211351.AA16737@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: mschaef@cs.utexas.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? "Wait a while and there'll be better options" That of course is the most important point. Staying at the cutting edge of Thinkpad technology is VERY expensive. But if you can wait, you can get great deals. I just helped a friend buy an old model 3xx monochrome TP for about $800, now that's a REALLY good deal, she was not interested in color, and basically the machine, keyboard, trackpoint etc, is comparable to my $6k machine. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 10:44:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27525; Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:44:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19389; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:19:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:19:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19379; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:19:07 -0400 Received: from by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AB29074; Wed, 21 Jun 95 10:19:00 EDT Message-Id: <9506211419.AB29074@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:29:23 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: replacement drives (was Re: does anyone have list price of...) I really hate to extend this thread, but this is relevant to newcomers thinking of upgrading their drives by buying bare drives and installing them in the plastic cases from their old drives. >done this with smaller drives. Of course you are losing the guarantee, but >if you don't care about guarantees, this is a pefectly reasonable approach. When I did this with my 540Meg drive, the IBM bare drive was $500 and the thinkpad drive was $1500. Thus, by buying the bare drive, I was gambling that the drive would not fail completely more than 3 times in the warranty period. By the way, it hasn't failed yet, so I'm probably ok.:) My advice is to wait for the bare drive to become available. It shouldn't be long. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:21:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29361; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:21:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23539; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:08:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:08:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23445; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:08:20 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1492; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:09:25 -0400 Message-Id: <9506211509.AA1492@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id D2E172974C2DBE8F852561E20052C93D; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:09:24 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 21 Jun 95 11:06:21 Subject: Ethernet correction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain In recommending a PCMCIA Ethernet card, I mistakenly called it a 3Com. It's a Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet IIps. Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. "I god guts, no more braims." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:29:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00246; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:29:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24452; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:17:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:17:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mindvox.phantom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24442; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:17:44 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by mindvox.phantom.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA01301; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:11:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: taoster! Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506210833.AA12871@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, John H. Kim wrote: > ** Reply to note from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us 06/20/95 9:28pm CDT > > > While I do not object to the principle of IBM being able to get whatever > > they can get for their product, it does rankle when the bare drive is > > sold for $1,000 less than the drive in a plastic box with a piece of > > wire, a label, and two connectors with a bit of cable between them. I > > would happily pay $200 for IBM's box and related paraphernalia. sigh. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > There's another way to do it it. Instead of buying a 1.2 GB Thinkpad drive, > buy a 1.2 GB bare drive and a 170 MB Thinkpad drive. Open 170 MB case, > replace with 1.2 GB drive, sell 170 MB drive. Does somebody with the prices > handy want to figure how much that works out to? yup :) ...this is what I just did with a 810 drive ...I bought a 120 used for $160 ...and switched the case over .... Now...anyone need to buy a 120 meg drive? http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:40:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00418; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:40:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25437; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:30:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:30:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25416; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:30:21 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA16519; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:29:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9506211529.AA16519@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "John H. Kim" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:31:07 EST Reply-To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? ** Reply to note from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU 06/21/95 07:57am -0400 > "There's another way to do it it. Instead of buying a 1.2 GB Thinkpad drive, > buy a 1.2 GB bare drive and a 170 MB Thinkpad drive. Open 170 MB case, > replace with 1.2 GB drive, sell 170 MB drive. Does somebody with the prices > handy want to figure how much that works out to?" > > that of course won't work now, because bare 1.2 gig drives are not available > in the end market. Later on that is perfectly reasonable, and others have > done this with smaller drives. Of course you are losing the guarantee, but > if you don't care about guarantees, this is a pefectly reasonable approach. How long is the warranty? The warranty on the IBM OEM (bare) drive I bought was 1 year. That warranty would be unaffected whether or not I placed the drive inside a plastic housing. You may lose the warranty on the smaller drive, but for a 170 Megger (if IBM still sells those) the cost shouldn't be that great. The reason I originally went this route when I got my 340 MB drive was because the price differential between the Thinkpad and bare drives amounted to a 70% "insurance premium." i.e. getting the TP drive would've gotten me a plastic case and possibly longer warranty for 70% the cost of getting a second bare drive. I decided to get the bare drive. If it died after a year, I could buy another one and only be down 30%. It might be interesting to see how the price on the 1.2 GB drive works out once it's widely available. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:42:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00466; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:42:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25869; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:33:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:33:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25840; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:33:43 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA07617 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:30:19 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506211430.JAA07617@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: NeXTStep To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:30:19 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: from "Mike Schaeffer" at Jun 21, 95 08:29:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This is getting old... fast. I get flamed for writing one > response about NeXTStep on the mailing list, and now nobody seems to mind I would love to hear about any attempts at NeXTStep on the Thinkpads. I've yet to hear a confirmed case of a successful installation. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:47:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01328; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:47:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26434; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:39:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:39:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from student.uq.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26423; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:39:23 -0400 Received: from student.uq.edu.au (cs322612@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id BAA00364 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:39:16 +1000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:39:09 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson To: tp750 Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris In-Reply-To: <199506211153.NAA15578@safran-28> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Can we PLEASE keep the OS advocacy / price moanings off the list? ObTP750: I posted the 'WireTack' tip last week. I had a few people mail me asking for a supplier. It's made by 'RS' in England. I'll get a part number for it sometime soon. Still working fine, and as you can see by all the Fs, my finger is still here too. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:47:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01333; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:47:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26417; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:39:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:39:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26406; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:39:11 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA07641 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:35:47 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506211435.JAA07641@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Linux PCMCIA To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:35:47 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <199506210754.JAA12678@safran-28> from "Eugene Fiume" at Jun 21, 95 09:54:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > } ThinkPad, but that's going to be a lot more work what with my PCMCIA > } modem and 3Com Ethernet card. > > I don't have either card, but I believe Linux supports both classes of > card, directly in the kernel and as loadable modules. My NE2000 clone Something may have changed relatively recently, but when I installed a fresh Linux system (kernel 1.2.8), I had to specifically hunt down the PCMCIA module and recompile the kernel to include module support. It was still very easy to do however, and I have a 3Com PCMCIA ethernet card. I imagine it wouldn't be too difficult for someone to add that PCMCIA support in their distribution though. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 11:52:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01510; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:52:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26633; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:41:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:41:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26613; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:41:03 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA07648 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:37:39 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506211437.JAA07648@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Solaris & Photoshop? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:37:39 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9506211149.AA14120@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 21, 95 07:49:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > people is the idea of the same OS on their Suns and PC's. And yes, I think > it is true that the software situation looks much better on Solaris, though > I don't know if this really applies to the x86 version, sure it is source Does anyone know if there's Adobe Photoshop for Solaris x86? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 12:35:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07337; Wed, 21 Jun 95 12:35:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01172; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:26:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:26:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01162; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:26:28 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA16560 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:25:57 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA18035 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:23:07 +0200 Message-Id: <199506211523.RAA18035@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:23:07 -0600 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: new patches Has anyone installed the new patches available on pcco: evtpe120.exe: video disk v1.20 for 755C* tppcm130.exe: pcmcia v1.30 for lotsa machines I'm hoping the latter solves an apparent IRQ problem I'm having with one of my cards. Eugene Fiume. [And, you know, you haven't truly seen a thunderstorm until it surrounds your chalet up in the mountains. Yes, I unplugged my pad and ran on DC. I even unplugged my phone connection to be safe. But I digress...] From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 12:39:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08030; Wed, 21 Jun 95 12:39:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01439; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:30:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:30:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01424; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:30:48 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA17554; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:30:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9506211630.AA17554@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "John H. Kim" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:32:18 EST Reply-To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris ** Reply to note from Rohan Davidson 06/22/95 01:39am +1000 > Can we PLEASE keep the OS advocacy / price moanings off the list? I've been trying to steer the price discussion towards figuring out the cheapest way to upgrade your hard drive. If people don't think it's been steered enough yet, I'll quit. _______________________________________________________________________ |\ ______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like | | | jokim@mit.edu 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes." | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 13:00:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08528; Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:00:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02247; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:46:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:46:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.eecs.wsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02237; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:46:31 -0400 Received: from wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu by dns1.eecs.wsu.edu (8.6.10/8.940801) id JAA03656; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:46:26 -0700 From: "John C. Hart" Received: by wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu (931110.SGI) id AA00679; Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:46:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 09:46:26 -0700 Message-Id: <9506211646.AA00679@wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Solaris = Linux + Sound? Eugene Fiume typed... >... I don't mean to >come off as a Linux advocate. In fact, I would appreciate hearing a >stronger case for commerical OS's. My only frustration with Linux on my 750Cs is that the sound still doesn't work. I'd be willing to pay $99 for the Solaris kernel to get the bells and whistles. Has anybody (besides the guy at IBM Japan) had any success getting sound to work on the 750 (pre-mwave) under Linux? -John --- John C. Hart, Asst. Prof. School of EECS, Wash. St. Univ. Pullman, WA 99164-2752 (509)335-2343 fax:(509)335-3818 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 13:46:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10738; Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:46:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05776; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:34:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:34:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05766; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:34:50 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28173 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:33:45 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA13628 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:33:16 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:33:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199506211733.KAA13628@shell1.best.com> Subject: Re: Lower Price on 755CX To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) One thing I noticed about IBM's annoucement yesterday about lower prices for 755CX models without the DSP or SVGA display (it's just VGA) is that they also appear to exclude the Lithium-ion battery. The posted description includes a NiMH battery. Did anyone else notice this too? _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 13:51:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11062; Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:51:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06090; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:39:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:39:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06079; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:39:35 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28295 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:38:31 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA14918 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:37:59 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 10:37:59 -0700 Message-Id: <199506211737.KAA14918@shell1.best.com> Subject: Wireless ThinkPad To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) I'm interested in adding "wireless LAN" or remote capabilities to my 755CX and was wondering if anyone could recommend specific products. I assume this would be a radio link of some kind. I want to be able to "roam" around my house (inside and out) with my ThinkPad and be able to communicate with my server and its attached peripherals. I read about some of these products in an article in Computer Shopper about one year ago (June'94), but haven't seen much advertisement for these products (Proxim RangeLAN2, Solectek AirLAN, etc.). Any suggestions? Any personal experiences? Your feedback would be much appreciated. On a related topic, I'd like to tell you about an infrared product I recently purchased. I bought IBM's high-speed infrared ISA card with transceiver for my desktop system to communicate with my 755CX ThinkPad. Unlike the slower HP/Sharp IR modes, the IBM high-speed infrared supports communications between my desktop and ThinkPad at up to 1.2Mbps and it really works well. The two machines communicate at high-speed at distances up to about 10 feet. I use this IR link to download/upload files between the two systems. Actual file transfer rates are about 2.5Mb per minute (about 40K/s). The link doesn't seem too sensitive to movement because I can transfer data while hand holding the ThinkPad (I do shake a bit, but it doesn't seem to matter). It's quick and it's wireless. I purchased the IR board and software through Puma Technology in Santa Clara, CA, the people who wrote TranXit. TranXit is the Laplink-like IR control software IBM is now shipping with every ThinkPad. The current version works okay (it looks like Window's File Manager), but leaves LOTS to be desired. They are suppose to release TranXit Pro on August 1st which is suppose to support many new features including the ability to send a file directly to your printer via the IR link. We'll see. The IBM high-speed IR card with TranXit Pro software (sent when available) costs $299. _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 14:36:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13877; Wed, 21 Jun 95 14:36:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08947; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:22:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:22:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08935; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:22:50 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sOUR6-0004tmC; Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:23 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sOUR6-0002nbC; Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:23 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sOUR3-0002wvC; Wed, 21 Jun 95 13:23 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: question on lithium ion batteries To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 13:23:33 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9506210237.AA13770@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 20, 95 10:37:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I asked this before, and someone answered that Li-ion batteries were > ideal, but did not actually answer the question. > > My question is: does it do any harm to leave a Li-ion battery in place, > charging in the TP. I notice that the TP keeps it at 100% charge all > the time (instead of doing the down to 90% game it playes with NiCad's) I attended a meeting with Sony on their Li-ion technology. Their statement to Northrop was that overcharging of the battery would cause a fail safe mechanism to trip thus preventing possible explosion. Float charging (ie. maintaining 100% or maybe a little less for safety) did not harm the battery. They would only sell the battery in a package with an integrated charging circuit. Said charger would cut off charging when the battery was fully charged. While I don't know for sure that IBM is using Sony's technology, there should be no problems as I think all Li-ion batteries are similar. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 14:43:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14248; Wed, 21 Jun 95 14:43:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09537; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:31:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:31:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09524; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:31:03 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA18028; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:31:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199506211831.OAA18028@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com (Chuck McManis) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 02:53:25 PDT." <9506210953.AA04137@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:30:54 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > > I'm just wondering. I'm a user of both Solaris and Linux, and I frankly > > can't see an argument for Solaris over Linux. Is it that Solaris' meagre > > software base is bigger that Linux's? > > Fix your own bugs or have someone else fix them for you. Linux is great > if you can either fix any bug you encounter, or have someone who can. > A commercial OS (doesn't have to be solaris) is better when you can't > maintain it yourself. Provided, of course, that the vendor will actually fix the bugs. In my experience, this varies tremendously from one vendor to another. So does the quality of the software itelf. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 14:53:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14764; Wed, 21 Jun 95 14:53:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09972; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:38:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:38:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09962; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:38:27 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA18090; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:38:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199506211838.OAA18090@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: "John C. Hart" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Solaris = Linux + Sound? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:46:26 PDT." <9506211646.AA00679@wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:38:19 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > Has anybody (besides the guy at IBM Japan) had any success getting sound to > work on the 750 (pre-mwave) under Linux? I've tried everything I can think of -- talking to various IBM people, talking to folks at Analog Devices and Crystal Semicouductor. Without exception, *all* of the IBM folks I've talked to seemed genuinely paranoid about giving out any information on it. Even those who didn't know the information themselves (or whether it was actually considered confidential), were unwilling to even refer me to someone who *could* tell me. I'm thoroughly disgusted at IBM's lack of support for this machine. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 14:58:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15024; Wed, 21 Jun 95 14:58:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10658; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:48:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:48:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.eecs.wsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10635; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:48:25 -0400 Received: from wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu by dns1.eecs.wsu.edu (8.6.10/8.940801) id LAA07423; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 11:48:22 -0700 From: "John C. Hart" Received: by wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu (931110.SGI) id AA01935; Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:48:20 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:48:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9506211848.AA01935@wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Solaris = Linux + Sound? Keith Moore complained: >I've tried everything I can think of -- talking to various IBM people, >talking to folks at Analog Devices and Crystal Semicouductor. > >Without exception, *all* of the IBM folks I've talked to seemed >genuinely paranoid about giving out any information on it. Even >those who didn't know the information themselves (or whether it >was actually considered confidential), were unwilling to even >refer me to someone who *could* tell me. > >I'm thoroughly disgusted at IBM's lack of support for this machine. I think IBM is more forthcoming to corporate OS developers with money than to broke university OS hackers like us. Did you notice if Solaris supported sound on the Thinkpad? By the way, if it wasn't for you (Moore), I would have never gotten Linux up on my Thinkpad. Thanks again, although it you probably don't want to take credit for other people's suffering (insert smiley here). All in all, its been well worth the extra effort to maintain Linux on the Thinkpad. -John --- John C. Hart, Asst. Prof. School of EECS, Wash. St. Univ. Pullman, WA 99164-2752 (509)335-2343 fax:(509)335-3818 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 15:11:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16012; Wed, 21 Jun 95 15:11:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12093; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:00:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:00:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.cs.utexas.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12061; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:00:32 -0400 Received: from darkwing.cs.utexas.edu (mschaef@darkwing.cs.utexas.edu [128.83.143.204]) by mail.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA27413; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:00:28 -0500 Received: by darkwing.cs.utexas.edu (8.6.12/Client-v1.4) id OAA13877; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:00:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 14:00:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Schaeffer To: sandy@sandy.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Lower Price on 755CX In-Reply-To: <199506211733.KAA13628@shell1.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jun 1995 sandy@sandy.com wrote: > One thing I noticed about IBM's annoucement yesterday about lower > prices for 755CX models without the DSP or SVGA display (it's > just VGA) is that they also appear to exclude the Lithium-ion > battery. The posted description includes a NiMH battery. > Did anyone else notice this too? Yeah, I did. They seem to have dropped most of the features that make the machine exceptional (Li-Ion battery, 800x600, MWave DSP). In fact, I think that I'd have given the machine a new model designation. Does anybody know if the machine does NTSC in/out? -Mike From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 15:39:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17642; Wed, 21 Jun 95 15:39:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14611; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:26:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:26:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14601; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 15:26:02 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA23813; Wed, 21 Jun 95 15:26:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 15:26:39 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211926.AA23813@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cs322612@student.uq.edu.au, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris much easier than asking people to keep things off the list is to let people kill threads they don't like, BUT, PLEASE use proper subject lines, we all need to be more careful on this. The above subject line was copied from the post below, which as far as I can tell has nothing whatsoever to do with ThinkPad/Solaris. ----------------------------------- ObTP750: I posted the 'WireTack' tip last week. I had a few people mail me asking for a supplier. It's made by 'RS' in England. I'll get a part number for it sometime soon. Still working fine, and as you can see by all the Fs, my finger is still here too. ----------------------------------- bad subject lines are to me a much more serious problem, because then thread following does not work, and furthermore you get conned into reading stuff that is of no interest. Solaris is interesting to me, WireTack tips are not. Still I don't ask people to suppress WireTack tips because no doubt some people are interested, but please use a meaningful subject line so that the rest of us can either skip the posts we are not interested in, or kill boring threads. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 16:33:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21365; Wed, 21 Jun 95 16:33:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19263; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:24:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:24:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19253; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:24:37 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id WAA18689 (8.6.12/); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:24:02 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:24:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199506212024.WAA18689@asimov.cnam.fr> To: alster@phantom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer The Apple Newton is NOT IRDA compatible. I believe the Stinkpads are . I call them Stinkpads because every time I pull out my 720C for travel it breaks down, gets fixed, sits unused until the next trip, and breaks before the trip again... Edmund, From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 17:02:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22998; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:02:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21250; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:47:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:47:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21226; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 16:47:04 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id WAA18952 (8.6.12/); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:46:46 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:46:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199506212046.WAA18952@asimov.cnam.fr> To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris The major german unix magazine reviewed solaris/intel. To benchmark it, they did a comparison with Linux, I can't remember on what processor. Their conclusion: Linux is twice as fast as Sun's "commercial" offering, a fact which for some reason made them hesitate about recommending it :) Of course, marketing shysters may have crippled the product on purpose so as not to compete with the dedicated Sun hardware. Such things have happened at other companies, even perhaps at IBM :) Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 17:11:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24241; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:11:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22513; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:03:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:03:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22498; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:02:59 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id RAA28513; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:06:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Edmund Ronald Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Anti-Thinkpad yammering In-Reply-To: <199506212024.WAA18689@asimov.cnam.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Edmund Ronald wrote: > I call them Stinkpads because ... I don't care. If all you're gonna do is blast the Thinkpad, allow me to be the first to encourage you to unsubscribe. I can't imagine why you'd want to listen to people talk about a machine you so dislike. Particularly since the 720 isn't really even in the charter for this mlist, listening to you vent about an entire class of computers (which happen to be quite exceptional in my not-so-humble opinion) based on your experience with it isn't really high on my list of things to do. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix with my hands..." FM's Batman ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 17:16:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24541; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:16:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22847; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:05:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:05:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22827; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:05:21 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id RAA28831; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:09:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Thinkpad List Subject: thinkpad question (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If Phil is already a list member, I apologize for this, but I thought perhaps of the Linux gurus would like to point him in the right direction. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 12:07:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Phil Rasch To: dwhite@shadow.net Subject: thinkpad question Hi Don, I recently purchased a thinkpad 701C. I know that this is not on the list of machines that you covered as noted on your WWW page. I am having trouble finding anything relevant to the machine and Linux, either on the net newsgroups, via posts to those groups or via WWW. In poking around on the net I have found hints (via http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html) that the bus of the older thinkpad 700 had not been dealt with in current linux ports). But that is the only thing that I have seen so far regarding the 701. So I am just emailing you to find out whether you can point me towards any other info, or have any advice to offer to me regarding the machine, or a port of linux to it. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 17:21:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24692; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:21:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23254; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:09:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:09:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23244; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:09:50 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA28266; Wed, 21 Jun 95 16:44:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 16:44:27 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506212044.AA28266@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: alster@phantom.com, eronald@cnam.fr, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Infrared Data Transfer Edmund seems to have had uncharacteristically bad luck with his TP, what are the defails on these problems. My 755CX is on 24 hours a day, in continuous use, and no problems have surfaced so far, I also had no problems with my 700C or 720C. My 750C needed two easyserv trips. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 17:22:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24768; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:22:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23540; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:13:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:13:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23528; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:13:22 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id XAA19192 (8.6.12/); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:13:06 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:13:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199506212113.XAA19192@asimov.cnam.fr> To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Cc: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU One of the godd things about Linux is that you can always search on the net for a hacker who has solved whatever problem you have. In my experience, many commercial products have next to no tech support here in europe. One reason is that the market is strongly fragmented between different languages, and no single country can justify the cost for product expertise at the sales point. This is true for hardware true, as I have sadly learnt from my presently non-functional 720C, well within warranty, that sits and looks at me, reproachfully. Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 17:39:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26007; Wed, 21 Jun 95 17:39:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25141; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:31:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:31:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25131; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:31:20 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id XAA19400 (8.6.12/); Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:30:55 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:30:55 +0200 Message-Id: <199506212130.XAA19400@asimov.cnam.fr> To: dwhite@shadow.net, eronald@cnam.fr Subject: Re: Anti-Thinkpad yammering Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU After a previous bout of yammering, people on this list (strange, huh?) mailed me to confirm that the problems they had were indeed the ones I'd had fixed. One of the points of this list is to act as a gathering point to demand repairs for design faults (like for the intel list). By the way, my 720C won't boot, error 17100 - anyone know what this means? The TP has a 3 year warranty, but the phone supprt is not included, here in France. Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 18:22:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28559; Wed, 21 Jun 95 18:22:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28123; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:10:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:09:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28113; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:09:50 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id SAA04837; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:14:02 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:14:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Edmund Ronald Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Anti-Thinkpad yammering In-Reply-To: <199506212130.XAA19400@asimov.cnam.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Edmund Ronald wrote: > After a previous bout of yammering, people on this list (strange, huh?) > mailed me to confirm that the problems they had were indeed the ones I'd > had fixed. One of the points of this list is to act as a gathering point > to demand repairs for design faults (like for the intel list). Silly me, I make distinctions between "I have these problems" and "this stinks." Perhaps I should watch more MTV. > By the way, my 720C won't boot, error 17100 - anyone know what this means? > The TP has a 3 year warranty, but the phone supprt is not included, here in France. I'll look in my tech manual when I get home, I think it has an extensive list of error messages. I _think_ it covers the 720 as well.... ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "There's nothing wrong with you I can't fix with my hands..." FM's Batman ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 19:31:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05629; Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:31:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01865; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:16:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:16:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pigseye.mmm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01854; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:16:52 -0400 From: Received: by pigseye.mmm.com (1.37.109.16/SMI-4.1) id AA229506995; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:23:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199506212323.AA229456994@pigseye.mmm.com> Sender: Organization: 3M To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 18:15:20 +0000 Subject: Re: new patches Reply-To: ramendenhall@mmm.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:23:07 -0600 > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: new patches > Has anyone installed the new patches available on pcco: > > evtpe120.exe: video disk v1.20 for 755C* > tppcm130.exe: pcmcia v1.30 for lotsa machines > > I'm hoping the latter solves an apparent IRQ problem I'm having with one > of my cards. > > > Eugene Fiume. > > [And, you know, you haven't truly seen a thunderstorm until it surrounds > your chalet up in the mountains. Yes, I unplugged my pad and ran on DC. > I even unplugged my phone connection to be safe. But I digress...] > What is "pcco:" ? Thanks, Rod Mendenhall, Jr. RAMENDENHALL@MMM.COM 612-737-4746 These are my thoughts, comments, & opinions. Not 3M's... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 20:03:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08386; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:03:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03369; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:55:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:55:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03354; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:55:23 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08182; Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:55:01 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0047; Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:54:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:54:43 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506212354.AA0047@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:50:48 -0400 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: help on ethernet PCMCIA card Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 07:50:48 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) I need the following for my TP 755CX a 10baseT ethernet card that will be conveniently supported from OS/2 for interface to a network of Unix machines running the usual protocols. Also what software do I need over Warp. For ethernet you'll need either Warp Connect or Warp + TCP/IP 2.0. I have been using the 3com 3c589 for some time, and I like it. In order to use it with Warp you'll need the current driver, which can be obtained by ftp from the 3com site. The current driver identifies itself as version 1.6 -- as it was released pretty recently it might not be the driver included with the card. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 20:04:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08397; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:04:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03486; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:57:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:57:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03474; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 19:57:19 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08252; Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:57:01 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0048; Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:56:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 19:56:48 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506212356.AA0048@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: schou@uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:30:19 -0500 (CDT) from Sean Chou Subject: NeXTStep From: Sean Chou Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 09:30:19 -0500 (CDT) > This is getting old... fast. I get flamed for writing one > response about NeXTStep on the mailing list, and now nobody seems to mind I would love to hear about any attempts at NeXTStep on the Thinkpads. I've yet to hear a confirmed case of a successful installation. A friend of mine who works at NeXT says that his next project will be to write the ThinkPad video driver for NeXTStep. He said he would get me a copy to play with when it was finished. Having never tried it before, I don't have any other information about how difficult it would be to get working -- but I assume that my friend knows enough to make it happen. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 20:33:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09450; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:33:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04627; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:23:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:23:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04615; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:23:27 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA25043; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:24:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:24:12 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506220024.AA25043@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: help on ethernet PCMCIA card Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU "For ethernet you'll need either Warp Connect or Warp + TCP/IP 2.0." which do I prefer of these? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 20:39:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09624; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:39:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04900; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:27:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:27:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04890; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:27:54 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09294; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:27:21 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0052; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:27:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:27:08 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506220027.AA0052@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:24:12 -0400 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: help on ethernet PCMCIA card Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:24:12 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) "For ethernet you'll need either Warp Connect or Warp + TCP/IP 2.0." which do I prefer of these? Warp Connect is easier to install, has newer TCP/IP support, performs better, and is cheaper. There's little reason to use the other combination, unless you have a Warp "for Windows" already installed and don't want to wipe it for a reinstall. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 20:56:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10340; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:56:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06491; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:48:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:48:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06480; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:48:56 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA25094; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:49:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:49:38 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506220049.AA25094@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: help on ethernet PCMCIA card Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I assu,me the reinstall of Warp connect does not disturb an existing desktop? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 21:01:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10706; Wed, 21 Jun 95 21:01:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06863; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:54:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:54:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06852; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 20:54:51 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10309; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:54:23 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0061; Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:54:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:54:10 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506220054.AA0061@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:49:38 -0400 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: help on ethernet PCMCIA card Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 20:49:38 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) I assume the reinstall of Warp connect does not disturb an existing desktop? It depends. Warp Connect comes in two flavors, just like Warp: "for Windows" and "with WIN-OS/2". If you install the same flavor of Connect over an existing Warp, the answer is "yes"; otherwise it's "no". The problem is that the "for Windows" flavor of Connect isn't yet available -- it will be available some time next month. The "with WIN-OS/2" flavor is available now. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 21:47:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12822; Wed, 21 Jun 95 21:47:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09758; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:38:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:38:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09748; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:38:45 -0400 From: Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA292515092; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:38:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <950621213810_99742391@aol.com> To: ramendenhall@mmm.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: new patches--> what does pcco mean? (no patch info) In a message dated 95-06-21 19:34:18 EDT, you write: >> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) >> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:23:07 -0600 >> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: new patches > >> Has anyone installed the new patches available on pcco: >> >> evtpe120.exe: video disk v1.20 for 755C* >> tppcm130.exe: pcmcia v1.30 for lotsa machines >> >> I'm hoping the latter solves an apparent IRQ problem I'm having with one >> of my cards. >> >> >> Eugene Fiume. >> >> [And, you know, you haven't truly seen a thunderstorm until it surrounds >> your chalet up in the mountains. Yes, I unplugged my pad and ran on DC. >> I even unplugged my phone connection to be safe. But I digress...] >> > >What is "pcco:" ? > pcco is short for IBM's ftp site located at ftp.pcco.ibm.com The site has a variety of upgrade files, patches, system files, original files, etc. Thinkpad files are usually located under mobiles. The ftp site is useful for files and the names you already know, but IBM's www site and file retrieval is a lot easier to search for files you need. Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 22:13:12 1995 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18976; Wed, 21 Jun 95 22:13:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA19869; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:48:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:46:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11837; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:46:56 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14652; Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:47:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 08:47:13 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506211247.AA14652@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr, cmcmanis@scndprsn.eng.sun.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris Eugene, please don't use the term commercial OS's when you mean proprietary OS's, this adds to the confusion. Commercial support for Linux is avaoilable if you want to pay for it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 22:22:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19178; Wed, 21 Jun 95 22:22:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12118; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:14:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:14:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12100; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:14:00 -0400 Received: from ts10-03.inforamp.net by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07087; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:13:06 +0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:13:06 +0500 Message-Id: <9506220213.AA07087@inforamp.net> X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: does anyone have list price of 1.2 gig drive handy? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU >On Jun 21, 2:02pm, Robert Dewar wrote: >} In the case of disks, >} providing a multi-year guarantee is in itself very expensive, and markups >} of this type are pretty much standard. >}-- End of excerpt from Robert Dewar > >I know squat about disk pricing, so this discussion is interesting to me, >but I think the above point is frequently overlooked (judging by how often >I overlook it myself). The level and length of support that IBM provides >is one reason why many of us have bought this "overpriced" hardware in the >first place. Does anyone have an educated ballpark figure regarding the >mean per pad cost for support over three years? > >Eugene Fiume. > > I just investigated this on a customers behalf, the cost of onsite IBM warranty for a tp360cse was about 10% of list price. John John Allman Plexxus Technologies Inc. Markham (Toronto), Ontario From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 23:06:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20960; Wed, 21 Jun 95 23:06:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15127; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:57:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:57:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15115; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:56:51 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id KAA25111; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:53:28 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506220253.KAA25111@baijuyi> Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:53:28 +0800 (WAUST) In-Reply-To: from "Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu" at Jun 20, 95 10:18:18 pm Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu writes, ` Date: Tue, 20 Jun 95 22:18:18 -0400 ` ` I'll probably just go to Linux, but we just put in a bunch of Suns here ` at school, so Solaris x86 might be something worth looking into. One of ` my professors tells me that programs written for Solaris for Sparc are ` source compatible with Solaris x86. etc etc Someone told me that Solaris is using ELF(Executable & Linkable Format). That's where Linux is heading towards. Here's the intro to ELF in the LDP, ELF FAQ: --- 2.1 Disclaimer What is ELF ? ELF, Executable and Linkable Format, was originally developed by UNIX System Labs as part of the Application Binary Interface (ABI). The ELF format was selected by the Tool Interface Committee as a portable object file format that works on different operating systems running on the 32-bit Intel Architecture. This allow developers to have a binary interface definition that is the same in a wide variety of operating environments, reducing needs of recoding and recompiling the software. Linux users, for example, can run SYSV ELF executables by simply loading the iBCS (Intel Binary Compatibility Specification) kernel module. --- If this is true then it will be both source compatible and object compatible with x86 machines. __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 21 23:12:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21459; Wed, 21 Jun 95 23:12:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15152; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:57:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:57:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15142; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:57:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:06:39 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: MWave v.34 stuff... In-Reply-To: <9506220213.AA07087@inforamp.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Spoke to an IBM dude at PC Expo today regarding the v.34 upgrade for MWave modems...he said August or September... http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 01:07:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00400; Thu, 22 Jun 95 01:07:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22185; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:56:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:56:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from student.uq.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22159; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:55:52 -0400 Received: from student.uq.edu.au (cs322612@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by student.uq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA21235; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:55:26 +1000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:55:20 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris In-Reply-To: <9506211926.AA23813@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 21 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > much easier than asking people to keep things off the list is to let people > kill threads they don't like, BUT, PLEASE use proper subject lines, we all > need to be more careful on this. The above subject line was copied from the Point taken. I apologise. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 01:24:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AB02012; Thu, 22 Jun 95 01:24:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22854; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:14:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:14:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22844; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 01:14:28 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA01469; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:14:26 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA06508; Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:14:25 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506220514.WAA06508@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Wireless ThinkPad To: sandy@sandy.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 22:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506211737.KAA14918@shell1.best.com> from "sandy@sandy.com" at Jun 21, 95 10:37:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm interested in adding "wireless LAN" or remote capabilities to > my 755CX and was wondering if anyone could recommend specific products. > I assume this would be a radio link of some kind. > > I want to be able to "roam" around my house (inside and out) with my > ThinkPad and be able to communicate with my server and its attached > peripherals. I read about some of these products in an article in > Computer Shopper about one year ago (June'94), but haven't seen > much advertisement for these products (Proxim RangeLAN2, Solectek > AirLAN, etc.). Any suggestions? Any personal experiences? Your > feedback would be much appreciated. I could only say that its very expensive--and very slow, by wired Ethernet LAN standards. You're looking at somewhere in the ballpark of $1,200 or more and your throughput, instead of the wired Ethernet capacity of 10 Megabits/second (a capacity that is rarely reached) is cut by as much as a factor of 10 or so. There are your tradeoffs. Its up to you to decide whether its still worthwhile to you. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 02:32:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09142; Thu, 22 Jun 95 02:32:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26153; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:22:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:22:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26142; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 02:22:11 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id OAA35811 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:19:21 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506220619.OAA35811@baijuyi> Subject: TP + XJ2144 MHz f/w upgrade To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 14:19:20 +0800 (WAUST) Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text Hi, Has anyone attempted to upgrade the firmware on the MHz XJ2144 fax/modem (gold series)? Were there any peculiarities? --- Anyways I finally managed to get a copy of the upgrade from the MHz ftp site (it kept timing out for me over here in S'pore). Unpacked rd03g.exe, read all the .txt files, ran the point enabler, to power the card and typed INSTALL. All networks stuff disconnected. All goes well, it recognised the flash upgradable card and the upgrade file. The upgrade file was not in a "binary" form tho' but the upgrade converted it on-the-fly and the actual install proceeded. It takes it's time.. percentage meter not registering progress.. wait a little longer then upgrade halts. Unable to upgrade the card! No response! Now the card is not recognised by the point enabler or C & S services! Tried the MHz internet techsupport@mhz.com but still no response after 4 days. Would like to call them but the cost could be better used to "subsidize" a new card if the current one is fried or pay for parcel and packaging if it needs servicing. --- So at the end of it all, anyone tried the upgrade on a TP and found a hiccup? Cheers! __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 07:34:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20721; Thu, 22 Jun 95 07:34:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22267; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:20:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:20:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iccu6.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22251; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:20:47 -0400 Received: from cs4p16.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au (cs5p13.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au [203.1.75.42]) by iccu6.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA13330 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:21:16 +1000 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:21:16 +1000 Message-Id: <199506221121.VAA13330@iccu6.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au> X-Sender: mwrobins@gil.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: mwrobins@iccu6.ipswichcity.qld.gov.au (Marc Robinson) Subject: IBM thinkpad340 I am enquiring about information etc about an IBM 340 think pad I recently purchased. Marc From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 09:56:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28041; Thu, 22 Jun 95 09:56:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01521; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:41:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:41:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uacsc1.albany.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01506; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:41:27 -0400 From: Received: from albnyvms.BITNET by albnyvms.BITNET (PMDF V4.3-13 #5424) id <01HS02XXNPOW8ZFK9J@albnyvms.BITNET>; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 09:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: PCMCIA Hard drives To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HS02XXNRKI8ZFK9J@albnyvms.BITNET> X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.utk.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@CS.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I apologize if this questions has already appeared on the list. I am considering purchasing a PCMCIA hard drive for my ThinkPad 355. I have seenat least two manufacturers, and the cost is approximately $300 for a 130MB and $340 for a 170MB. I would like to know if they work well with Thinkpads, if they are reliable, if they use a lot of battery power and if they are fast or slow. The othe roption I am considering is purchasing a second hard drive, but IBM asks $500+ for the 340MB drive. Are there othe rvendors that offer more affordable small (about 200MB) hard drives for Thinkpads? Thanks in advance, Jorge (If you have a used drive you want to sell, please let me know) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 11:41:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08151; Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:41:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09940; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:29:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:29:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nrcnet0.nrc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09929; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:29:47 -0400 Received: from coursmtp.nrc.ca by nrcnet0.nrc.ca with SMTP id AA04735 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:29:40 -0400 Received: by coursmtp.nrc.ca with Microsoft Mail id <2FE98C72@coursmtp.nrc.ca>; Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:29:54 EDT From: "Oleskiw, Myron" To: TP750 Subject: RE: new patches Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:25:00 EDT Message-Id: <2FE98C72@coursmtp.nrc.ca> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I have installed tppcm130.exe onto a TP750C running DOS/Windows. As the documentation claims, there is a decrease in the size of the Card Services (from about 29K to about 26K). Other than that, the changes appear transparent or cosmetic to me. The following is from the documentation supplied by IBM (TPPCM130.DOC). Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ DOS/Windows 1.01 IRQ of PCMCIA modem card is not configured as 4(3) even when it is configured COM3(COM4). 1.01 Norton Disk Doctor(NDD) causes "Divide overflow" error. 1.30 (New) The DOS Card Service driver becomes smaller. 1.30 Some PCMCIA cards which use the Card Service level mode don't work. (The DOS Card Service driver doesn't set IRQ as required on the CS 2.1 level mode.) 1.30 DOS Ethernet connection intermittently fails on long run. OS2 1.01 PC Card Director sometimes hangs on WARP when it is in ICON view. 1.20 PC Card Director doesn't support "hot-docking" correctly. 1.20 (New) The Card Service supports OS/2 Warp, Resource Manager. 1.20 2400/9600 PCMCIA Modem (Japan only) can't be enabled. 1.30 5250J/SDLC-J (Japan only) can't be used under OS2 2.1x (and Warp) 1.30 The system with the 'PC/3270 for OS/2' installed hangs when the multiple 3270 windows are opened then all exit. 1.30 OS2 Ethernet connection intermittently fails on long run. Myron Oleskiw AAL/IAR NRC Canada E-mail: myron.oleskiw@nrc.ca From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 11:43:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08169; Thu, 22 Jun 95 11:43:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09680; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:26:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:26:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09668; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 11:25:59 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (todd-dial.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.4.130]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA10987 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:25:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 10:25:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199506221525.KAA10987@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris At 02:53 AM 6/21/95 -0700, you wrote: >> I'm just wondering. I'm a user of both Solaris and Linux, and I frankly >> can't see an argument for Solaris over Linux. Is it that Solaris' meagre >> software base is bigger that Linux's? > Here at University of Wisconsin-Madison, the computer science department just purchased a hundred or so Pentiums with big fat monitors, etc. Then, we went about deciding which Unix x86 operating system to run. We evaluated Linux, Solaris x86, and NetBSD. We posted the results of lots & lots of our tests, which include speed benchmarks (disk access, network access, compilation time, X windows performance, etc), as well as compatibility with standards (POSIX, ANSI, etc). Check out the following URL on the WWW if you want to learn from our experiences: http://www.cs.wisc.edu/csl/unix-pc/unix-criteria.html. Being a University and a major research institution, we were more interested in things like suitability as a speedy development environment as opposed to things like commercial package availability (although some commercial packages, like TransArcs AFS, are critical to us). A BIG MAJOR advantage to Solaris x86 over the others comes into play IF your organization already has lots of Sun SPARC systems running Solaris (like we do). With Solaris x86, all system management and software porting only needs to be done once for both platforms (SPARC and Pentium). If you already support lots of Sun SPARCS and then add Linux, for example, you would need to port software twice, learn various administration tasks twice, etc. If you do not already run Solaris SPARC systems, then Linux and NetBSD are on a much more level playing field.... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Tannenbaum email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Director of the Model Advanced Facility voice phone: (608) 262-3118 Computer-Aided Engineering Center FAX phone: (608) 265-4546 University of Wisconsin-Madison From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 19:38:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10092; Thu, 22 Jun 95 19:38:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16069; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:21:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:21:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16058; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 19:21:32 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA19335; Thu, 22 Jun 95 19:22:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 19:22:17 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506222322.AA19335@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris at NYU, we have adopted Linux as our x86 based Unix system, and did not even consider Solaris. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 22 21:04:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13159; Thu, 22 Jun 95 21:04:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20895; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:56:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:56:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20885; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:56:45 -0400 Received: from dramsey.ro.com (ts1p1.ro.com [204.181.74.21]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA31220; Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:00:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 20:00:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199506230100.UAA31220@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: dramsey@ro.com (Don Ramsey) Subject: Re: TP + XJ2144 MHz f/w upgrade Cc: kevin@iss.nus.sg >Tried the MHz internet techsupport@mhz.com but still no response after 4 days. Kevin, just a thought but have you tried posting an open message about this in the dcom.com.modems news group? You might get a Megahertz employee to see it. I have a friend here in Huntsville, Alabama who works here at Motorola UDS doing their Power and Lifestyle V.34 modems. He regularly hangs out on that news group answering questions that people have about their Motorola modems. The same is probably true about Megahertz engineers. Good luck... seems like you are a long way from *real* computer support. Don Ramsey From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 00:23:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24382; Fri, 23 Jun 95 00:23:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03141; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:07:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:07:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02843; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:05:11 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id LAA30954 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:58:08 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506230358.LAA30954@baijuyi> Subject: WTD: `butterfly' announcements To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:58:08 +0800 (WAUST) Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text hi, I can't quite remember if the hardware announcements for the TP701C/CS aka `butterfly' was posted to the list. Anyways if you've archived a copy of the announcements, I'd appreciate it lots if you could mail me a copy. I believe the h/w announcements were more detailed than the info offered on the IBM web. Anyone tried Linux on this machine? __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 10:25:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24670; Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:25:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10723; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:13:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:13:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10713; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:13:38 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00862; Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:12:59 MDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:12:59 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9506231412.AA00862@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hayes 28.8 PCMCIA modem I promised the group some input once I had a chance to play with my new Hayes 28.8 PCMCIA modem. Included below is an excerpt >from comp.sys.laptops which relates some of my trials and tribulations. I apologise if some of you have already seen it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- > I am thinking of getting a pcmcia modem and can get a reasonable deal on > the hayes optima 28.8. I have a thinkpad 755ce. Has anyone tried this > combination what successes or probems does anyone anticipate? Well, I can come close. I use this same modem with a TP360C running OS/2 Warp. The IBM-supplied card and socket services software will recognize the modem with no trouble, so modem setup is pretty much limited to plugging it in. I did, however, have to make a couple of software tweaks in order to achieve higher throughput than what is attainable with a 14.4 modem. Specifically, the OS/2 comm port drivers (COM.SYS and VCOM.SYS) had to be replaced with Gwinn's SIO drivers in order to achieve a DTE > 57,600. Also, HyperAccess Lite refused to initialize this modem at all, and was therefore sent down the road in favor of VOC. Finally, modem initialization strings will be hard to track down for what is a relatively new model. I've found that the factory stored profile #0 works just fine for all software packages I've tried (Warp's IAK, ZOC, FaxWorks, etc.); therefore, the only initialization string you really need is ATZ0. I'd say go for it. The only real complaint I have with this product is the lack of decent documentation. Hayes doesn't even supply a list of AT commands in the so called "manual". You will want to call the Hayes BBS and download their technical reference manual for the Optima line, file name TRM288.TXT if I recall correctly. Good luck... -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- I'd also like to add a little about data transfer rates. My old Megahertz 14.4 would max out at about 1600 cps on binary downloads. The best I've been able to achieve so far with the Hayes is about 2600 cps. Hopefully this will improve with further tweaking. - key From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 10:44:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25916; Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:44:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12326; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:33:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:33:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12316; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:33:26 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id HAA00047; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 07:33:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199506231433.HAA00047@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 07:35:13 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Hayes 28.8 PCMCIA modem On Fri, 23 Jun 95 08:12:59 MDT you wrote: Specifically, the OS/2 comm port >drivers (COM.SYS and VCOM.SYS) had to be replaced with Gwinn's SIO >drivers in order to achieve a DTE > 57,600. Also, HyperAccess Lite >refused to initialize this modem at all, and was therefore sent down >the road in favor of VOC. I'm thinking of getting one of these modems. What is VOC and what are these drivers to which you refer, and where do you get them. (Also an OS/2 user). ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail |Microsoft Network is prohibited from redistributing this work in any form, | |in whole or in part. Copyright, 1995. License to distribute this post is | |available to Microsoft for $1,000. Posting without permission constitutes | |an agreement to these terms. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 11:35:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28524; Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:35:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16433; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:25:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:25:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16412; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:25:23 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id LAA28748; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:29:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Thinkpad List Subject: Hard Drive Surgery Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, let me tell everyone that the Quantum Daytona 514M is _not_ 17mm. I was able to make it fit in the TP drive case by trimming holes for the mounting posts to allow the case to close peoperly. (This drive was a better price by almost $100 than others I found that were <17mm, so I deemed it worth it rather than returning it), and the right keyboard latch takes a minimally larger amount of pressure to close than before, but other than these little foibles, everything works fine. I am now at 500M. Gotta love seeing 300M free! ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 11:53:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29522; Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:53:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18144; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:44:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:44:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18127; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:43:56 -0400 Received: from lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (lucs-03.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.9.5]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA01061 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:43:49 +0100 Received: from LUCS-03/SpoolDir by lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 23 Jun 95 16:44:46 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by LUCS-03 (Mercury 1.21); 23 Jun 95 16:44:38 GMT From: "O. MARTIN" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:44:37 GMT Subject: The double scan and X windows problem. Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <277CCB26FC1@lucs-03.novell.leeds.ac.uk> Hello. Thanks to your help I have been able to run X in my TP360Cs, but I'd like to understand what the problem was really about. I thought the screen was messing up with the driver, but the new drivers use only 512Kb on the 1024Kb and this solves tthe problems, so what was wrong , can someone explain ? I would also like to know if an external monitor can be connected, and if so if I need to use the patched driver or the original one : can the 1024Kb of the card be used if the TP is connected to an external screen ?? I could try all this by myself, I know, but I do not have a monitor here, and when I get one if there are some problems (Which is very likely...) I won't be able to read this list anymore. So any comment will be apreciated. Cheers. Olivier From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 11:55:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29538; Fri, 23 Jun 95 11:55:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18435; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:47:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:47:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18425; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 11:47:18 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0sPAvt-0004uwC; Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:46 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0sPAvr-0002nbC; Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:46 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sPAvq-0002wvC; Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:46 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Hayes 28.8 PCMCIA modem To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 10:46:10 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9506231412.AA00862@amazon.den.mmc.com> from "Karl Yeanoplos" at Jun 23, 95 08:12:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd say go for it. The only real complaint I have with this product > is the lack of decent documentation. Hayes doesn't even supply a list > of AT commands in the so called "manual". You will want to call the > Hayes BBS and download their technical reference manual for the Optima > line, file name TRM288.TXT if I recall correctly. Good luck... The best documentation for Rockwell based modems is Rockwell's own AT command set guide. I have a Megahertz XJ2144 (aka RC144 based modem). There were fallback/fallforward options which I would never have known about without the Rockwell documentation. You can try to get this info from Rockwell but I don't think that they will deal with the public.... -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 12:14:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00425; Fri, 23 Jun 95 12:14:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20010; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:05:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:05:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19988; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:05:42 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00956; Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:05:07 MDT Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 10:05:07 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9506231605.AA00956@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hayes 28.8 PCMCIA modem >> drivers (COM.SYS and VCOM.SYS) had to be replaced with Gwinn's SIO >> drivers in order to achieve a DTE > 57,600. Also, HyperAccess Lite >> refused to initialize this modem at all, and was therefore sent down >> the road in favor of VOC. > I'm thinking of getting one of these modems. What is VOC and what are > these drivers to which you refer, and where do you get them. (Also an > OS/2 user). What I meant to say was ZOC, not VOC. ZOC is an OS/2 32-bit modem communications software package, and a good one at that. SIO is a set of high performance replacement serial port drivers for OS/2. Both of these packages are shareware and can be found at the following location: ftp-os2.nmsu.edu /os2/comm/ 570360 Apr 16 18:43 zoc2052.zip /os2/drivers/ 200981 Apr 10 04:48 sio145a.zip I had been resisting switching to SIO for a long time, as I feel that the registration fee ($25) is too high for a couple of device drivers. However, the documentation which is supplied with the latest version of IBM's SLIP/PPP update specifically mentions SIO as a fix for constipated data transfer rates when using a 28.8 modem. I was able to verify the inability to set the DTE rate to anything higher than 57,600 when using the standard Warp COM.SYS driver, but after switching to SIO.SYS I can now lock in at 115,200. Note that this *doesn't* mean that the modem-to-modem transfer rate will be anywhere close to 115,200. In fact, I previously mentioned that I'm only seeing a modest 60% increase over 14.4 modem data transfer rates. Is SIO worth 25 clams? Hard to say...but the shareware version will allow you to try it for 30 days for free so you can make your own evaluation. -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 12:28:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03118; Fri, 23 Jun 95 12:28:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20904; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:18:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:18:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.eecs.wsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20894; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:18:41 -0400 Received: from wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu by dns1.eecs.wsu.edu (8.6.10/8.940801) id JAA10258; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:17:23 -0700 From: "John C. Hart" Received: by wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu (931110.SGI) id AA13835; Fri, 23 Jun 95 09:17:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 09:17:23 -0700 Message-Id: <9506231617.AA13835@wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, "O. MARTIN" Subject: Re: The double scan and X windows problem. >I thought the screen was messing up with the driver, but the new drivers >use only 512Kb on the 1024Kb and this solves tthe problems, so what >was wrong , can someone explain ? Some dual-scan screens use the upper 512KB to mirror the lower 512KB so each scan can access video memory independently. >I would also like to know if an external monitor can be connected, >and if so if I need to use the patched driver or the original one : >can the 1024Kb of the card be used if the TP is connected to an >external screen ?? I use the unpatched (original) driver for my external display at 1024x768. -John --- John C. Hart, Asst. Prof. School of EECS, Wash. St. Univ. Pullman, WA 99164-2752 (509)335-2343 fax:(509)335-3818 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 16:58:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18849; Fri, 23 Jun 95 16:58:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23498; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:32:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:32:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23458; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 16:32:27 -0400 Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.16/20.3) id AA292249541; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:32:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 15:32:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Subject: Re: Dualscan question (Long!) To: Thinkpad List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is a repost of something I found under a newsgroup. I didn't ask the author to repost, so I hope it's okay. Sorry about the length. The main drawback of dual scan, on both thinkpads and other machines, is that dual scan splits the video memory in half and stores duplicates of the image in each half (if you have the WD90C24[A,A2] chipset, which is the most commonly used -- others preva lent are the C&T 65545 and Cirrus 6440). This is a pain when you try to use an external monitor at resolutions higher than 800x600x256. Some machines have workaround programs (Twinhead 5100, HP 4000, Sharp PC-8700/8900, Altima Virage II) that you run under DOS, then boot linux. With other dual scan machines, you are stuck effectively with only 512k of video ram. The fixes for Thinkpads don't work for other machines as far as we know. Here's a HOWTO that I wrote on this subject. It's always on the web at http://www.castle.net/~darin author: Darin Ernst (dernst@pppl.gov) version: 0.91 5/16/95 Thanks to all those who have emailed me and posted messages on this topic! Purpose: To document trials and tribulations in getting X to run on the most popular video chipset used in recent notebook computers. This document gives instructions for configuring XFree86 3.1 on notebooks with the WD90C24A2 chipset. It also describes known bu gs and workarounds if available. The content comes from communication with other users and my own experience, rather than looking at code or reading manuals. The problems with Xfree86 3.1 XF86_SVGA and the WD90C24A2 chipset are: 1) Does XFree86 3.1.1 have a driver available? There is really no driver available for this chipset. 2) How can I use the XF86_SVGA server then? Most of us fake it by selecting the WD90C31 accelerated chipset using the XF86_SVGA server. X -probeonly detects the WD90C24, but this is not accelerated. The WD90C24A and A2 are accelerated, and are sort of compatible with the WD90C31. Most notebooks of 1994 use the WD90C24A2 with 1mb of video ram on the local bus, and are capable of 1024x768x256 colors under Windows 3.1. Some are capable of 65k colors at 640x480 using the Western Digital windows driver wd2464_h.drv provided on an OEM disk. Other very common chipsets not covered here are the Cirrus Logic 6440, which is now fully supported by XFree86 3.1.1, and the Chips and Technologies 65545, which appears in most Pentium notebooks, especially those using the PCI bus. This chip is partially supported with non-accelerated drivers (for the 65540). 3) Why do I only see 512k of VRAM? A problem persists with the implementations of dual scan displays, as well as with simultaneous display. Despite the fact that Windows 3.1 is able to use the full 1mb of video RAM to display externally at 1024x768x256 colors, XF86_SVGA cannot, since it cannot use more than 512k of the available 1024k. The best one can do on an external monitor with the current XF86_SVGA server is 800x600x256. However, workarounds exist for certain notebooks, such as the Twinhead 5 series and IBM Thinkpads. The problem is that 512k is what X-probeonly detects, and that is all you get. If you try to hand-enter 1024k, you will get duplicate images on the upper and lower halves of the screen. Others (brad@npr.legent.com) have reported that the Western Digital databook seems to confirm that half the memory (one 256kx16bit bank) is reserved for a "frame buffer" when a 16 bit dual-panel color STN display is used OR when simultaneous display mode is selected. Comparisons on active and passive versions of the AST Ascentia (ewagner@imssys.imssys.com Evan Wagner) confirm that the 512k problem does not rear its head on the active matrix implementation. I observed that other things change (such as dotclocks) when the external display is selected alone, as opposed to simultaneous or internal display on my Twinhead 5100S (dual scan, A2 chip). The Twinhead 5100 (aka Twinhead Slimnote 5, HP Omnibook 4000C, Sharp PC-8700/8900, Altima Virage II) is capable of using the full 1mb of memory after one runs a DOS program called "CHGVRAM.EXE", which is available from the Twinhead BBS. This program was written by Ferdy Kuo of Twinhead Corp., and is copyrighted. The code is only available from the Twinhead BBS as an executable. I would love to give you the BBS number, but I don't want to assume responsibility for misuse of it. To use this program for Linux/X, boot DOS. Then hit alt-F5 until the display is set to external-only. Then run CHGVRAM.EXE, which will display a message something like "Video RAM changed to 1 MB". Next, boot linux using the Linux Loader, lodlin15, which comes in the /root directory of Slackware 2.1.0. The command is simply "c:> linux". Linux will then boot normally. Then use "startx" to start X-Windows. The full 1mb of video RAM will be used by XFree86. I stick this all into a batch file called "linux.bat". Possible idea (haven't tried this yet): Run CHGVRAM.EXE from a dosemu session within linux. **** Fixes for the IBM Thinkpad (this could be the ANSWER!) **** Michael Steiner has written a c program that runs under Linux and allows one to set the video RAM of the WD90C24 family to either 512k or 1024k. This program seems to work on the Twinhead also, but I have yet to verify that it works for using an external monitor. If you test it on various machines, please email me. /* T P D U A L S C A N . C Author: Michael Steiner http://www.zurich.ibm.com/pub/sti/www/info.html This program allows you to set videoram for dualscan equipped thinkpads (at least for the 750Cs but probably also for others) to allow running XFree86 without patching it. (normally you got all twice if the upper 512K of videoram are not disabled) */ I have tried this on the Twinhead 5100S and it seems to work, but I have not been able to test it on an external monitor. Michael also makes available (on his web page) a patched XF86_SVGA server! 4) How can I make my LCD screen sync correctly on starting/exiting X? There is a bug that results in scrambled virtual consoles upon exiting X. The cure for this is to reset the video modes in some way. Many notebooks have a hot-key for lcd, crt, or simultaneous display. Cycling this hot-key restores the virtual consoles. For others, close and open the cover, or suspend/resume. This problem does not occur when using the external display. 5) How can I fix the weird patches-of-black problem? There is a problem using white window backgrounds. When windows are scrolled with white bg, the scrolled part goes into reverse video. The cure for this is not to use white backgrounds. Off-whites are fine. This can be set as a default for all users in /var/X11R6/lib/xinit/.Xresources with the following line (i.e., for xterm): XTerm*Background: cornsilk 6) Should I configure X on the internal or external monitor first? The dotclocks are different as detected by X-probeonly when the lcd is selected versus when the crt is selected as the display. I suggest using an external monitor while configuring X so that all the necessary dotclocks appear. Otherwise, one gets 17 basically identical clocks that are useful only for 640x480. 7) My screen looks ok except for these funny little patterns... The lcd display looks different depending on whether or not simultaneous display is turned on (waves, flicker, dim, patterns). I suspect this is due to a lack of termination of the external monitor connection when the external monitor is not plugged in. The fix is to set the display to lcd-only. 8) How do I set up XF86Config (example for Twinhead 5100S dualscan below)? aa) read /var/X11R6/lib/doc/README.Config, VideoModes.doc a) Select XF86_SVGA server with WD90C31 chipset. b) Select "generic monitor" with the 25 Mhz dotclock and the standard 640x480 VESA modeline. Begin with a video bandwidth around 30 Mhz. c) X -probeonly >& /tmp/x.out with external monitor connected and selected (be careful with fixed frequency, non-multisync monitors). d) Edit XF86Config and paste in the 17 dotclocks found in /tmp/x.out put one of the 25-28 Mhz dotclocks in place of the first number in the VESA 640x480 modeline. This should work for the LCD display to give 640x480x256. Now select the lcd display. e) Go to step (c). Repeat, this time pasting in the HorizSync frequency or the VertRefresh frequency. Go to step (c) again and repeat until both of these and the bandwidth are filled in. f) Now the lcd display should work. g) To configure the external monitor, start with the standard VESA modelines that match the dotclocks you have. I got four basic dotclocks with a lot of nearby duplicates: 28.32 => 640x480 @63 Hz NI VESA 36.00 => 800x600 @56 Hz NI VESA 44.26 => 1024x768i @43.5 Hz Interlaced 64.97 => 1024x768 @ 60 Hz NI VESA Of course, one cannot do the 1024 modes because without a workaround, as one can only use 512k of video ram of the available 1024k VRAM as discussed above. I think it is possible to get an 800x600 mode with very high refresh rate. This depends on your monitor. h) Send me info on what you find and post it to newsgroups so I can develop this mini-HOWTO. 9) How do I get more info? Useful (?) web sites and email addresses This mini-HOWTO (latest version) and other links on the WD90C24A2 http://www.castle.net/~darin/ Western Digital Web Site http://www.wdc.com/ IBM Thinkpad video patches http://www.zurich.ibm.com/pub/sti/www/info.html (seem to have disappeared - but I have some where this HOWTO is stored) Twinhead Computer Corp. 1-800-995-8946 to ask for BBS # As a shortcut to configuration, look into the program vgaset. This allows you to optimize the timings for each monitor interactively and dynamically within X. Hope this is useful. I also hope that eventually someone gets a real driver going for the WD90C24A2 chipset so commonly used. I would be willing to help a little if I can. It would also be desireable to make up a patch for XFree86 3.1.1 to perform the same function as does the DOS program CHGVRAM.EXE, or test tpdualscan.c on notebooks other than Thinkpads. Darin Ernst dernst@pppl.gov =========================================================================== /var/X11R6/lib/XF86Config =========================================================================== # $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/XF86Conf.cpp,v 3.6 1994/09/26 15:30:19 dawes Exp $ # # Copyright (c) 1994 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. This man page is installed as /usr/X11R6/man/man5/XF86Config.5x # ******************************* *************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" # XCOMM FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" # XCOMM FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # DontZap EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line # Protocol "Xqueue" AutoRepeat 500 5 ServerNumLock # Specifiy which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) Xleds 1 2 3 # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: # LeftAlt Meta # RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose # ScrollLock ModeLock EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice BaudRate 9600 SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice Emulate3Buttons # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "LCD Screen" VendorName "Sharp" ModelName "Unknown" # Bandwidth is in MHz unless units are specified Bandwidth 90 # changed from 29 # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 35.36 # X -probeonly says # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 67.36 # X -probeonly says # VertRefresh 50-100 # multisync # VertRefresh 60, 65 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # VertRefresh 40-50, 80-100 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or # a multi-line format. # A generic VGA 640x480 mode (hsync = 31.5kHz, refresh = 60Hz) # These two are equivalent # ModeLine "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 Mode "640x480" DotClock 28.29 # 25.175 HTimings 640 664 760 800 VTimings 480 491 493 525 EndMode # These two are equivalent # ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # Mode "1024x768i" # DotClock 45 # HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264 # VTimings 768 776 784 817 # Flags "Interlace" # EndMode EndSection Section "Monitor" #------------------------- 2nd monitor section Identifier "DX17F" VendorName "MAG" ModelName "DX17F" Bandwidth 100 # changed; from manual HorizSync 30-64 # multisync; also from manual VertRefresh 50-100 # multisync; also from manual # A generic VGA 640x480 mode (hsync = 31.5kHz, refresh = 60Hz) ModeLine "640x480" 28.32 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 # VESA 1024x768@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 48.4kHz # Timing: H=(0.12us, 2.22us, 2.58us) V=(0.06ms, 0.12ms, 0.60ms) ModeLine "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1024x768 Interlaced mode ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # VESA 800x600@56Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 35.1kHz # Timing: H=(0.67us, 2.00us, 3.56us) V=(0.03ms, 0.063ms, 0.70ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags ModeLine "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 EndSection ############################################################################### # # OFFICIAL VESA Monitor timings + IBM Standards + other generic modes - # TRY THESE FIRST # Contributor: Thomas Roell [roell@xinside.com] # Contributor: David Wexelblat [dwex@xfree86.org] # Last Edit Date: 10/7/93 # # Mode Refresh Hor. Sync Dot-clock Interlaced? VESA? # ------------------------------------------------------------ # 640x480 60Hz 31.5k 25.175M No No # 640x480 60Hz 31.5k 25.175M No No # 640x480 63Hz 32.8k 28.322M No No # 640x480 70Hz 36.5k 31.5M No No # 640x480 72Hz 37.9k 31.5M No Yes # 800x600 56Hz 35.1k 36.0M No Yes # 800x600 56Hz 35.4k 36.0M No No # 80 0x600 60Hz 37.9k 40.0M No Yes # 800x600 60Hz 37.9k 40.0M No No # 800x600 72Hz 48.0k 50.0M No Yes # 1024x768i 43.5Hz 35.5k 44.9M Yes No # 1024x 768 60Hz 48.4k 65.0M No Yes # 1024x768 60Hz 48.4k 62.0M No No # 1024x768 70Hz 56.5k 75.0M No Yes # 1024x768 70Hz 56.25k 72.0M No No # 1024x768 76Hz 62.5k 85.0M No No # 1280x1024i 44Hz 51kHz 80.0M Yes No # 1280x1024i 44Hz 47.6k 75.0M Yes No # 1280x1024 59Hz 63.6k 110.0M No No # 1280x1024 61Hz 64.24k 110.0M No No # 1280x1024 74Hz 78.85k 135.0M No No # ############################################################################### # # 640x480@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 31.5kHz # Timing: H=(0.95us, 3.81us, 1.59us), V=(0.35ms, 0.064ms, 1.02ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 # # Alternate 640x480@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 31.5kHz # Timing: H=(1.27us, 3.81us, 1.27us) V=(0.32ms, 0.06ms, 1.05ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "640x480" 25.175 640 672 768 800 480 490 492 525 # # 640x480@63Hz Non-Interlaced mode (non-standard) # Horizontal Sync = 32.8kHz # Timing: H=(1.41us, 1.41us, 5.08us) V=(0.24ms, 0.092ms, 0.92ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "640x480" 28.322 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # # 640x480@70Hz Non-Interlaced mode (non-standard) # Horizontal Sync = 36.5kHz # Timing: H=(1.27us, 1.27us, 4.57us) V=(0.22ms, 0.082ms, 0.82ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # # VESA 640x480@72Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 37.9kHz # Timing: H=(0.76us, 1.27us, 4.06us) V=(0.24ms, 0.079ms, 0.74ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "640x480" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 # # VESA 800x600@56Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 35.1kHz # Timing: H=(0.67us, 2.00us, 3.56us) V=(0.03ms, 0.063ms, 0.70ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 # # Alternate 800x600@56Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sunc = 35.4kHz # Timing: H=(0.89us, 4.00us, 1.11us) V=(0.11ms, 0.057ms, 0.79ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "800x600" 36 800 832 976 1016 600 604 606 634 # # VESA 800x600@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 37.9kHz # Timing: H=(1.00us, 3.20us, 2.20us) V=(0.03ms, 0.106ms, 0.61ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # # Alternate 800x600@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 37.9kHz # Timing: H=(1.20us, 3.80us, 1.40us) V=(0.13ms, 0.053ms, 0.69ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "800x600" 40 800 848 1000 1056 600 605 607 633 # # VESA 800x600@72Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 48kHz # Timing: H=(1.12us, 2.40us, 1.28us) V=(0.77ms, 0.13ms, 0.48ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # # 1024x768@43.5Hz, Interlaced mode (8514/A standard) # Horizontal Sync = 35.5kHz # Timing: H=(0.54us, 1.34us, 1.25us) V=(0.23ms, 0.23ms, 0.93ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1024x768i" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # # VESA 1024x768@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 48.4kHz # Timing: H=(0.12us, 2.22us, 2.58us) V=(0.06ms, 0.12ms, 0.60ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # # 1024x768@60Hz Non-Interlaced mode (non-standard dot-clock) # Horizontal Sync = 48.4kHz # Timing: H=(0.65us, 2.84us, 0.65us) V=(0.12ms, 0.041ms, 0.66ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1024x768" 62 1024 1064 1240 1280 768 774 776 808 # # VESA 1024x768@70Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync=56.5kHz # Timing: H=(0.32us, 1.81us, 1.92us) V=(0.05ms, 0.14ms, 0.51ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # # 1024x768@70Hz Non-Interlaced mode (non-standard dot-clock) # Horizontal Sync=56.25kHz # Timing: H=(0.44us, 1.89us, 1.22us) V=(0.036ms, 0.11ms, 0.53ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1024x768" 72 1024 1056 1192 1280 768 770 776 806 -hsync -vsync # # 1024x768@76Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync=62.5kHz # Timing: H=(0.09us, 1.41us, 2.45us) V=(0.09ms, 0.048ms, 0.62ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 # # 1280x1024@44Hz, Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync=51kHz # Timing: H=(0.02us, 2.7us, 0.70us) V=(0.02ms, 0.24ms, 2.51ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1280x1024i" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace # # Alternate 1280x1024@44Hz, Interlaced mode (non-standard dot-clock) # Horizontal Sync=47.6kHz # Timing: H=(0.42us, 2.88us, 0.64us) V=(0.08ms, 0.12ms, 0.96ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1280x1024i" 75 1280 1312 1528 1576 1024 1028 1034 1080 Interlace # # 1280x1024@59Hz Non-Interlaced mode (non-standard) # Horizontal Sync=63.6kHz # Timing: H=(0.36us, 1.45us, 2.25us) V=(0.08ms, 0.11ms, 0.65ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1280x1024" 110 1280 1320 1480 1728 1024 1029 1036 1077 # # 1280x1024@61Hz, Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync=64.25kHz # Timing: H=(0.44us, 1.67us, 1.82us) V=(0.02ms, 0.05ms, 0.41ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 # # 1280x1024@74Hz, Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync=78.85kHz # Timing: H=(0.24us, 1.07us, 1.90us) V=(0.04ms, 0.04ms, 0.43ms) # # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags # "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1456 1712 1024 1027 1030 1064 ############################################################################### # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present #Section "Device" # Identifier "Generic VGA" # VendorName "Unknown" # BoardName "Unknown" # Chipset "generic" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 #EndSection Section "Device" # SVGA WD90c24a2 in Twinhead Slimnote with simultaneous display Identifier "WD90C24A2" VendorName "Western Digital" BoardName "RocketChip" Chipset "wd90c31" # begin first config with lcd only display # VideoRam 512 # Clocks 28.29 28.32 28.30 28.29 28.30 28.32 28.29 28.30 # Clocks 28.30 28.31 28.29 28.30 28.30 28.31 28.30 28.30 # Clocks 49.79 # end first config with lcd only display # begin second config with crt only display; let it detect VRAM # VideoRam 1024 Clocks 25.15 28.32 64.97 35.96 25.15 28.30 64.92 36.00 Clocks 25.15 28.30 64.92 35.96 25.17 28.41 64.97 35.96 Clocks 44.26 # end second config with crt only display EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # The colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "WD90C24A2" # Monitor "LCD Screen" Monitor "DX17F" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" # "1024x768i" ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 1024 768 EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-colour VGA server #Section "Screen" # Driver "vga16" # Device "Generic VGA" # Monitor "Generic Monitor" # Subsection "Display" # Modes "640x480" # ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 800 600 # EndSubsection #EndSection # The Mono server #Section "Screen" # Driver "vga2" # Device "WD90C24A2" # Monitor "LCD Screen" # Subsection "Display" # Modes "640x480" # ViewPort 0 0 # Virtual 1024 768 # EndSubsection #EndSection see ya. --Conrad Conrad Albrecht-Buehler Northwestern University conrada-b@nwu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 18:53:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26546; Fri, 23 Jun 95 18:53:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05710; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:32:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:32:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05691; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:32:11 -0400 Received: from scunix4.harvard.edu by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:32:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199506232232.SAA02202@husc.harvard.edu> Received: from fas.harvard.edu by scunix4.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA22152; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:33:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 18:33:26 -0400 X-Sender: chan4@scunix3.harvard.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: chan4@husc.harvard.edu (Derek V. Chan) Subject: What's the maximum HD size I can put into the dock ii? X-Mailer: I want to buy a 4 gig scsi hd at http://shop.internet.net for $699. Can I put this into my Dock II? Thanks -- "Dear Jim. . . IBM has been interested for some time in pursuing a business combination with Lotus. Because you have been unwilling to proceed with such a transaction, we are announcing this morning our intention to buy all of Lotus Development Corporation's outstanding common shares. . ." -- Louis V. Gerstner 6/5/95 Derek V. Chan dvchan@netcom.com chan4@fas.harvard.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 20:00:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00076; Fri, 23 Jun 95 20:00:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08514; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:44:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:44:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08503; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:44:14 -0400 Received: from mwppp3.mitre.org (mwppp3.mitre.org [128.29.249.3]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id TAA24234 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199506232344.TAA24234@mwunix.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@128.29.86.13 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:44:21 -0400 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: dhite@mitre.org (David Hite) Subject: Windows95? I'm new to the list, so I hope I'm not repeating a question that's been answered recently, but I'm wondering if anyone has been successful in installing Windows95 on a 755. I've got a pre-release copy, but I'm sort of afraid to try it. I've got a 755CSE with 810MB HD, 24MB RAM, and a New Media PCMCIA Ethernet card. David Hite From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 23 23:05:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11193; Fri, 23 Jun 95 23:05:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18613; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:54:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:54:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18598; Fri, 23 Jun 1995 22:54:43 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18273; Fri, 23 Jun 95 22:55:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 23 Jun 95 22:55:30 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506240255.AA18273@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: What's the maximum HD size I can put into the dock ii? Derek, wasn't that a 5.25" disk, obviously that won't go into Dock II. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 24 04:28:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27575; Sat, 24 Jun 95 04:28:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05826; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:16:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:15:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asylum.sf.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05815; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:15:56 -0400 Received: (from lang@localhost) by asylum.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA06729; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:15:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 04:15:49 -0400 From: Lang Zerner Message-Id: <199506240815.EAA06729@asylum.sf.ca.us> To: dhite@mitre.org Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: David Hite's message of Fri, 23 Jun 1995 19:44:21 -0400 <199506232344.TAA24234@mwunix.mitre.org> Subject: Windows95? Reply-To: Lang Zerner I installed Win 95 on a 755 CD with no problems. It works like a charm, though it doesn't support the Mwave audio and telephony features. I am using Microsoft's "Preview" edition (build .347); I've heard that later builds like 400 and 490 support Mwave well enough. If you are using build .347, be careful about installing in the same directory as your Win 3.1 installation. When I did that my Windows files got mucged and I couldn't start the machine. When Win 95 install asks for a directory, specify a new directory such as C:\WIN95. Again, later builds such as 490 probably handle this better, but it always pays to back up your disk before installing pre-release OS software. :-) Be seeing you... --Lang ITC Consulting Group integrated communication consulting services 915 Cole Street #151 networks * publishing * training * design San Francisco, CA 94117 +1 415 861 7688 itc@apocalypse.org From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 24 11:19:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17075; Sat, 24 Jun 95 11:19:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00259; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:07:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:07:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00247; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 11:06:58 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu (todd-dial.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.4.130]) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu (8.6.10 CAE/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA21048 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:06:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 10:06:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199506241506.KAA21048@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: Todd Tannenbaum Subject: Re: Windows95? At 04:15 AM 6/24/95 -0400, you wrote: > Again, later builds such as 490 >probably handle this better, but it always pays to back up your disk before >installing pre-release OS software. :-) > in my experience, builds of win95 above #480 work great on the thinkpad 755 (including MWave sound, telephony, modem, everything). ***NOTE***: if your machine has 16 meg of RAM or less, your fine. IF YOUR MACHINE HAS MORE THAN 16 meg of RAM (I think you mentioned yours has 24meg?), then in order for the MWave audio stuff to work properly under win95 (any build) you MUST be running the latest version of the MWave stuff/drivers *AND* then you MUST install a special patch for >16meg RAM folks. (if you do not install the patch, some audio functions like MIDI are inaudible even at max volume). Both the latest drivers and the special patch are available from the Thinkpad compuserve forum, or from the internet at the following WWW URL: http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/ again, these bugs do not show up if you have 16meg RAM or less. enjoy, Todd =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Tannenbaum email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Director of the Model Advanced Facility voice phone: (608) 262-3118 Computer-Aided Engineering Center FAX phone: (608) 265-4546 University of Wisconsin-Madison From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jun 24 17:41:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09702; Sat, 24 Jun 95 17:41:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19770; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:31:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:31:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from news1.radix.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19760; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:31:29 -0400 From: Received: from (dialin6.annex1.radix.net [204.157.128.12]) by news1.radix.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA21155 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:28:03 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 17:28:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199506242128.RAA21155@news1.radix.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755CX vs. 755C X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Hi I'm new to the list and own a recently purchased 755C which I was very pleased with until the screen misfunctioned. During operation the cover was partially closed, ten minutes later when reopened the screen was tinted an odd shade of blue and had become slightly dimmer. After being told by the technicians that this required service, I decided to return it to the retailer and upgrade to a CX. Is anyone familiar with the screen problem I'm having, and is it as likely to occur with the SVGA on the CX? And in general are ther any drawbacks from switching to a CX? I do a lot of graphic work, including CAD, so both the high resolution and the pentium processor are attractive options. Thanks for any replys. Kevin King From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 12:23:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21401; Mon, 26 Jun 95 12:23:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07598; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:56:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:56:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07580; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:56:14 -0400 Received: (from sean@localhost) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11461 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:53:17 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199506261453.JAA11461@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:53:17 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: schou@uiuc.edu In-Reply-To: <9506222322.AA19335@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 22, 95 07:22:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > at NYU, we have adopted Linux as our x86 based Unix system, and did not > even consider Solaris. Then you don't really know if you are getting a better deal, do you? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 13:16:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24790; Mon, 26 Jun 95 13:16:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12056; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:57:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:57:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12037; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 12:57:02 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA03955; Mon, 26 Jun 95 12:57:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 12:57:15 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506261657.AA03955@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: schou@uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ThinkPad/Solaris we looked, but rejected Solaris primarily because we thought the availability of source and rapid interaction on the net was extremely important. Solaris continues to have performance problems on the PC compared with Linux, we have heard this from any number of people. I just talked yesterday to an office that had bought Solaris to put on a Pentium based machine and they just could not get it to install, and finally junked it and replaced it with Linux -- no problem. So all around, we have only heard extra information that makes our choice seem reasonable, and nothing to the contrary (incidentally the high price of Solaris was another definite detriment for out use). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 14:03:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28096; Mon, 26 Jun 95 14:03:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15765; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:49:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:49:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15746; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:49:22 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA14019; Mon, 26 Jun 95 19:47:10 +0200 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28383; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:47:59 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sQIEp-000DHGC; Mon, 26 Jun 95 19:46 MET DST Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:46:23 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506261453.JAA11461@mba.cba.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, i'm trying to install linux on my Thinkpad 370 (remember? 486DC75, 540MB HD, 12 MB RAM... I wanted to use Slackware, I loaded down the bare-tp from the WWW-Server, this one should work with the Thinkpad. It works with the Thinkpad, but it doesn't work with my Hard Disk Drive. So my question is: has there anyone a bootdisk Slackware 2.3 for Thinkpads? Slackware 2.3 supports Hard Disks with 32 heads (kernel 2.8); but the normal bootdisk can't manage the disk change. Or is it enough, to partition the drive, and how can I save the files which are currently on the drive? Read you, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK email: wagner@www.bid.fh-hannover.de URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ IRC: Rince (usually on #germany or #muenster or #braunschweig) "This is also a story about sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In. Well... ...one out of three ain't bad." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 14:34:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00131; Mon, 26 Jun 95 14:34:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18205; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:22:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:22:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18182; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:22:21 -0400 Received: from (eronald@localhost) by asimov.cnam.fr id UAA00659 (8.6.12/); Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:22:10 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:22:10 +0200 Message-Id: <199506261822.UAA00659@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Subject: Re: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU did not provide any subject! I htink you ought to play around with those mucho options  you can give to linux at boot... Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 14:46:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00442; Mon, 26 Jun 95 14:46:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19055; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:31:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:31:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19035; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:31:34 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA20457; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:22:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:22:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9506261822.AA20457@tin> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: TIN"tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP HI All! I have a 755 with a 14.4 modem coming off of the DSP chip. Needless to say documentation is sparse! I currently use a ThinkPad 360 with a PCMCIA 14.4 modem. When I dial into work ( a DECSERVER, or a SLIP/ CENTRUM box). the PCMCIA modem says 'connect 38400'. I do a lot of terminal emulation, works great, exceedingly fast and fluid. When I connect using my new 755 and the DSP modem, it says 'connect 14400/ECLC' and performance is like a teletypewriter. Does anybody know modems well enough to tell me the AT commands to get this DSP modem to run at a higher speed? I know the the physical speed is 14.4 regardless, but I need a higher speed after compression. My initialization string for both modems is ATZ, and bear in mind I do 99% terminal emulation and lag time is my biggest enemy! Thanks ! Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugherty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / /// Use anything in here at your own risk \\\ \\\************************************************************************** \\ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 15:16:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05612; Mon, 26 Jun 95 15:16:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22509; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:59:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:59:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22492; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:59:25 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org (dhite-pc.mitre.org [128.29.62.14]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA26002; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:59:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199506261859.OAA26002@mwunix.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@128.29.86.13 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:59:50 -0400 To: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) From: dhite@mitre.org (David Hite) Subject: Re: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Does anybody know modems well enough to tell me the AT commands to get > this DSP modem to run at a higher speed? I'm pretty sure that the only thing you need to do is tell your terminal emulation software to use a higher port speed - that's the speed that your software uses to talk to the modem. The modem is, of course, limited to 14400 when it talks to another modem. Set the port speed to 38400 in your terminal emulation program and see if that makes a difference. David Hite From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 15:16:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05607; Mon, 26 Jun 95 15:16:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22926; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:02:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:02:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22914; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:02:34 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HS5ZJZRPU8004TBY@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:02:23 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP In-Reply-To: <9506261822.AA20457@tin> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <804193343.109123.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: Simon Maufe writes - > When I connect using my new 755 and the DSP modem, it says > 'connect 14400/ECLC' and performance is like a teletypewriter. Be sure your comm port setting on the software talking to the MWave modem is set to 38.4k or 57.6k (what I use). After that, at least for now, you are pretty much stuck with the relatively large latency in getting data through the MWave modem (about 600ms round trip time vs. less than half that for other modems I've tried). This may get better when the 28.8 software for it is released. That is (depending on who you ask) anywhere >from within a few days to a couple months away. As for AT commands, all I did was make mine hang up when DTR is dropped, otherwise the defaults are ok, at lesst for me. There is nothing to tweak (that I could find) for the above type of situation. Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 15:30:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07151; Mon, 26 Jun 95 15:30:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23940; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:14:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:14:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23911; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:13:53 -0400 Received: from hp715.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA28350; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:12:38 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by hp715.cuug.ab.ca (1.37.109.16//ident-1.0) id AA022674382; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:19:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199506261919.AA022674382@hp715.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Re: your mail To: wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Hanno Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Hanno Wagner" at Jun 26, 95 07:46:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi, > i'm trying to install linux on my Thinkpad 370 (remember? 486DC75, 540MB > HD, 12 MB RAM... > I wanted to use Slackware, I loaded down the bare-tp from the WWW-Server, > this one should work with the Thinkpad. It works with the Thinkpad, but > it doesn't work with my Hard Disk Drive. So my question is: > has there anyone a bootdisk Slackware 2.3 for Thinkpads? Slackware 2.3 > supports Hard Disks with 32 heads (kernel 2.8); but the normal bootdisk > can't manage the disk change. > Or is it enough, to partition the drive, and how can I save the files > which are currently on the drive? > Read you, > Hanno You should be able to use the stock Slackware 2.3 boot/root disks. If you have trouble with the floppy then just use the "floppy=thinkpad" on the lilo boot prompt to fix it (you can also add this to the default lilo options after you install Slackware so that you don't need to type it anymore. Hope this helps! +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 16:30:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12639; Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:30:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29056; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:16:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:16:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29043; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:16:54 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA20584; Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:17:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:17:40 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506262017.AA20584@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, billy@mix.com Subject: Re: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP I find the Mwave modem *much* faster in practice than my 14.4 Megahertz on my previous machine, works very nicely, I see high compression rates and very snappy behavior. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 16:30:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12646; Mon, 26 Jun 95 16:30:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28743; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:14:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:14:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28733; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 16:14:33 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA02157; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:11:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:11:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9506262011.AA02157@tin> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: TIN"tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP hi from the author, and thanks for all the good ideas! Could I ask responders to add a signature file, the firewall software here strips off the to's/from's and return path, all I see as a sender is tp750@... Anyhow, I am using ProComm Plus (very nice s/w. I think the best for DEC VT220 emulation!) and have the modem speed set to 38400. In the Windows setup, I have the COM port (Port 1 I think) set to 19200 which is the highest it offers in the radio buttons. Does this offer any clues? Simon >>I'm pretty sure that the only thing you need to do is tell your terminal >>emulation software to use a higher port speed - that's the speed that your >>software uses to talk to the modem. The modem is, of course, limited to >>14400 when it talks to another modem. Set the port speed to 38400 in your >>terminal emulation program and see if that makes a difference. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 20:52:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08391; Mon, 26 Jun 95 20:52:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18892; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:35:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:35:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18882; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:35:52 -0400 Received: from mwppp10.mitre.org (mwppp10.mitre.org [128.29.249.10]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA03457; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:35:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199506270035.UAA03457@mwunix.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@128.29.86.13 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:36:15 -0400 To: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) From: dhite@mitre.org (David Hite) Subject: Re: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Anyhow, I am using ProComm Plus (very nice s/w. I think the best for >DEC VT220 emulation!) and have the modem speed set to 38400. In the Windows >setup, I have the COM port (Port 1 I think) set to 19200 which is the highest >it offers in the radio buttons. Does this offer any clues? It sounds to me like you've got everything set right. The COM port setting in Windows setup doesn't make a difference here, I think. The important thing is the Prcocomm Plus Modem/Data Connection, Default Baud Rate, which you have set to a high enought speed to allow compression. I guess you could try setting it to 57,600, but I really don't understand why your throughput seems much slower than with your old modem. Sorry, but I can't think of anything else you can do that you aren't already doing. David Hite - dhite@mitre.org From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 21:55:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10973; Mon, 26 Jun 95 21:55:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23104; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23094; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:40:03 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA05387; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:36:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:36:03 -0500 Message-Id: <9506270136.AA05387@tin> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: TIN"tp750@cs.utk.edu"@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re : help needed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP I've copied the procomm files from old to new PC, no luck yet. Still connects at anywhere from 4800 to 14.4 with ECLC. The old one uinsg the PCMCIA megahertz consistently gets in at 38400. default modem speed is 57600. not doing anything clever with the AT commands.. any further thoughts? Can somebody confirm that they have gotten the modem to connect higher than 14.4? I really liked my 38.4....! THanks for all the help so far, its great knowing other people there hve the same setup I have and that I'm not trailblazing this! Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugherty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / /// Use anything in here at your own risk \\\ \\\************************************************************************** \\ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 21:59:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11077; Mon, 26 Jun 95 21:59:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23515; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:45:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:45:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23484; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:45:29 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id JAA22897; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:42:51 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506270142.JAA22897@baijuyi> Subject: Re: No subject - Slackware 2.3, Linux, TP370 To: wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Hanno Wagner) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:42:50 +0800 (WAUST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Hanno Wagner" at Jun 26, 95 07:46:23 pm Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Hanno Wagner writes, ` Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:46:23 +0200 (MET DST) ` From: Hanno Wagner ` ` i'm trying to install linux on my Thinkpad 370 (remember? 486DC75, 540MB ` HD, 12 MB RAM... ` I wanted to use Slackware, I loaded down the bare-tp from the WWW-Server, Preferred to use scsi.gz, it had lots more options to enable and of course to disable (SCSI etc.) A "superset" of bare.gz ` this one should work with the Thinkpad. It works with the Thinkpad, but ` it doesn't work with my Hard Disk Drive. So my question is: Works with the TP and not with the HD? I think all boot disks won't recognise the HD unless "told to". See below. ` has there anyone a bootdisk Slackware 2.3 for Thinkpads? Slackware 2.3 ` supports Hard Disks with 32 heads (kernel 2.8); but the normal bootdisk ` can't manage the disk change. Anyways, you need to type these at the boot: prompt, boot: ramdisk hd=xxx,yy,zz floppy=thinkpad where xxx = # HD cylinders, yy = # of HD heads & zz = # sectors/track I'm not sure of the 540Mb HD but if you're using Windows, try msd.exe and look at the Disk Drives option. Read only the CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters for drive C: Ignore the rest. You can confirm the HD parameters with anyone on the list with a 540Mb HD running Linux. ` Or is it enough, to partition the drive, and how can I save the files ` which are currently on the drive? Cheers. __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 26 23:35:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15016; Mon, 26 Jun 95 23:35:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29580; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:18:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:18:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29550; Mon, 26 Jun 1995 23:18:18 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0sQRA9-000DzUC; Mon, 26 Jun 95 20:18 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: help neeed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP To: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506261822.AA20457@tin> from "Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207" at Jun 26, 95 01:22:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > a PCMCIA 14.4 modem. When I dial into work ( a DECSERVER, or a SLIP/ > CENTRUM box). the PCMCIA modem says 'connect 38400'. I do a lot > of terminal emulation, works great, exceedingly fast and fluid. The PCMCIA modem is reporting the DTE (your computer to your modem) rate when it reports the connect string. The MWave modem is reporting the DCE (your modem to the other modem) rate. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 14:27:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03255; Tue, 27 Jun 95 14:27:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03949; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:10:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:10:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jupiter.cast.msstate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03938; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:09:56 -0400 Received: from Berea.CAST.MsState.Edu by jupiter.cast.msstate.edu (4.1/6.0s-FWP); id AA14250; Tue, 27 Jun 95 13:10:04 CDT Received: by Berea.CAST.MsState.Edu (920330.SGI/6.0c-FWP); id AA01255; Tue, 27 Jun 95 13:10:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:10:03 +36000 From: Valentine Anantharaj To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: Valentine Anantharaj Subject: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have tried to order TP755CE with some standard configurations (8MB RAM and 540 or 810MB disk) from IBM PC Direct. But I have been told for a while that these configurations are not available right now, and there may be a 3 week or longer delay. The Salesperson would not even give me a quote. Interestingly, IBM will sell me a TP755CE with a 340mb HD, and then sell me a 540mb HD separately if I am interested! Is this IBM's marketing ploy? Or is IBM considering discontinuing the TP755CE model very soon? I need to get an educational discount to be able to afford it, which would work out to ~ $4500 for the one with 540mb HD (IBM PC Direct Edu. Price). Is anyone aware of other reputable vendors who may be able to match this price? If not, I wonder if I should wait another month to check if IBM ever gets it in stock, of which I am skeptical. Would appreciate any and every advice. Regards, VGA (val@cast.msstate.edu) Valentine G. Anantharaj --------------- val@cast.msstate.edu --- MSU - Center for Air-Sea Technology vga1@ra.msstate.edu | Bldg. 1103, Room 233 Tel.: (601)688-1157 | Stennis Space Center Fax: (601)688-7100 | MS 39529-5005 -------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 15:01:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08371; Tue, 27 Jun 95 15:01:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07133; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:43:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:43:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07123; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:43:11 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA24317; Tue, 27 Jun 95 14:43:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 14:43:49 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506271843.AA24317@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, val@cast.msstate.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... well the 755CE is obviosuly obsolete, I can't believe IBM will be making any more of them. That EDU price is not specially wonderful. In todays Science Times, EXEL advertises 755CE with 540 meg for $4195 other EXEL prices: 755C (50MHz 340/4) $2695 755CD (540) $5495 755CE (340) $3795 755CE (810) $4495 Newtech (1800-554-9747) advertises the 755CE with 540meg for $4188 RCS (my preferred vendor of these three, but I have dealt with all, and all are reasonable) has no 755CE's advertised, they are advertising the 755CX with 540 meg for $5499. 212-949-6935 [as for Ray, and mentoin my name for possible more personal service, since I have bought a bunch of thinkpads >from him] EXEL's number is 800-486-EXEL All three places typically have TP's in stock for immediate sale. So in short, the IBM EDU prices do not sound like they are worth bothering with. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 16:42:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12560; Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:42:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16455; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:27:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:27:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16445; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:27:02 -0400 From: Keith Moore Received: by wilma.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA12925; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:27:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 16:27:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199506272027.QAA12925@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: anyone know a quick source for tp750 batteries? Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Both of my tp750 batteries have just gone flaky, and I need replacements within two weeks. IBM sez that they're out of stock. Are there other sources? Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 17:34:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16874; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:34:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23056; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:21:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:21:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23034; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:21:03 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.10/jc-1.0) id RAA23671; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:25:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Keith Moore Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: anyone know a quick source for tp750 batteries? In-Reply-To: <199506272027.QAA12925@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Keith Moore wrote: > Both of my tp750 batteries have just gone flaky, and I need replacements > within two weeks. IBM sez that they're out of stock. Are there other > sources? check out http://www.roadwarrior.com. I think they sell 3rd party batts. ========================================================================= Donald Alan Whiteside MDCC Wage Slave School of Computer Science Official Usenet Dork for the week of Jan 9-13, 1995 GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ "The universe is not in the habit of giving up explanations to cursory examinations" - Garth Thornton ========================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 17:45:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18409; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:45:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25365; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:31:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:31:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25349; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:31:13 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.43] (mac43.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA14724; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:31:04 EDT Message-Id: <9506272131.AA14724@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:41:46 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... >That EDU price is not specially wonderful. As I remember it, the edu. discount is about 10% off the PC Direct price. This almost makes up for all the extra effort required to prove to IBM, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you are indeed associated with a university. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 17:51:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19177; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:51:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26462; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:40:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:40:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26441; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:40:17 -0400 Received: from MKE-PPP-01.inc.net by inc.net (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA18178; Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:41:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 16:41:19 -0500 Message-Id: <9506272141.AA18178@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@beta.inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... Valentine Anantharaj asks: >I need to get an educational discount to be able to afford it, which >would work out to ~ $4500 for the one with 540mb HD (IBM PC Direct Edu. >Price). > >Is anyone aware of other reputable vendors who may be able to match this >price? Check out this morning's (Tues. 6/27) New York Times. I saw several ads w/ 755CE/540's in the $4200 range. Can't say anything about their availability though. Good luck Joe Wilson Milwaukee From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 17:52:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19184; Tue, 27 Jun 95 17:52:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26323; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:37:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:37:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shell1.best.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26307; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:37:48 -0400 From: Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA10395 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:58:47 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:58:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199506272058.NAA10395@shell1.best.com> Subject: 755CX and WFWG 3.11 - HELPPPPPPP! To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) It's days like today that make me want to sell all of my computers and never look at another one again. ;-( I would really appreciate some help. I'm want to install WFWG 3.11 on my new 755CX (I'm in the process of setting up a wireless LAN), but the ThinkPad didn't like it. Since Windows 3.1 is already loaded, I tried loading WFWG "add-on" over 3.1 (which is the normal way to do this), and I'm getting various error messages, can't complete setup, and can't get Windows to load at all now. Is there some magic to doing this? I figured loading WFWG over 3.1 would help keep the Mwave and display drivers working. If I dump all of IBM's original Windows stuff and reload 3.1 and WFWF 3.11 from scratch, I assume it will work, but then how do I install the Mwave and display drivers? I wasn't too blown away with the problem until I called IBM's "help center". The gal I spoke to refused to help at all saying IBM doesn't support and has "never attempted to run" WFWF on this "particular model". She told me I would have to call Microsoft for help. This pissed me off even more. Can anyone help me? I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks. _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 18:55:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23002; Tue, 27 Jun 95 18:55:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00876; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:43:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:43:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00860; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:43:33 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12941; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:43:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:43:24 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506272131.AA14724@gl.ciw.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Victor Kress wrote: > >That EDU price is not specially wonderful. > As I remember it, the edu. discount is about 10% off the PC Direct price. > This almost makes up for all the extra effort required to prove to IBM, > beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you are indeed associated with a > university. Of course buying with an educational discount at the school store or directly from IBM means you pay sales tax, which is 6%-8% in most places. IBM should take things like this into account, but like I said, inept management. :) -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 21:12:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00366; Tue, 27 Jun 95 21:12:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08344; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:02:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:02:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08332; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 21:02:42 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin (5.65/Monsanto1.7) id AA07656; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:57:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 19:57:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9506280057.AA07656@tin> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: TIN"tp750@cs.utk.edu"@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re : help needed with 755 and 14.4 modem DSP Good news! After talking to IBM today and getting a lot of ideas from here I have dialin terminal emulation that is as good to eye as the megahertz dsp. IBM told me to upgrade MWave to 1.1 (look in MWAVE.INI in win dir fo OEM = 1.0), and I FTPd it from ftp.pcco.ibm.com. Its a silly install making DSKs that you have to put on 7 floppies. BUt the new software has much improved negotiation skills and I get a 90% hit rate on 14.4, and 10% on 9600. V42.bis seems to be working and helping out. My init string in Procomm is ATZ\N0%C0 which is V42.bis on and MNP5 off. Thanks again! Simon PS Has there been a manufacturing problem with 755 keyboards? My keys are awful to push down on, they all felel like they're sticking to the keys next to them. I don't remember being like this initially, and hope as I use the 755 more I break it in! ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugherty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / /// Use anything in here at your own risk \\\ \\\************************************************************************** \\ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 23:34:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10904; Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:34:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17558; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:26:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:26:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17545; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:26:18 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06706; Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:26:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:26:58 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506280326.AA06706@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@uni.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... "IBM should take things like this [sales tax] into account" more incomprensible IBM bashing, what the heck does it mean to take the sales takx into account, it is nothing to do with IBM what states decide to tack on to sales .... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jun 27 23:34:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10909; Tue, 27 Jun 95 23:34:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17544; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:26:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:26:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17532; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 23:26:12 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA09283; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:25:56 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA08978; Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:26:03 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506280326.UAA08978@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 20:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9506272131.AA14724@gl.ciw.edu> from "Victor Kress" at Jun 27, 95 05:41:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >That EDU price is not specially wonderful. > As I remember it, the edu. discount is about 10% off the PC Direct price. > This almost makes up for all the extra effort required to prove to IBM, > beyond any shadow of a doubt, that you are indeed associated with a > university. All I had to do was Fax them an ID. Was it more difficult than that for you? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 00:08:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12249; Wed, 28 Jun 95 00:08:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19793; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:00:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:00:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19778; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:00:48 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id LAA27997 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:57:19 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199506280357.LAA27997@baijuyi> Subject: IBM ads in Singapore.. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:57:19 +0800 (WAUST) Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text Just recently we had a run of a few IBM ads - the ones where non-english speaking people talk about IBM, etc. etc. Anyways I saw one the other day about the TP755CD - two guys walking in the drizzle, lots of sheep and I think there was a lighthouse somewhere. So he pulls out the TP to impress his older friend with the CD and video (of him and his wife).. IN THE RAIN! Hmm, now they have water-resistant TPs (; __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 04:01:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23187; Wed, 28 Jun 95 04:01:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02581; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:50:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:50:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from imag.imag.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02524; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 03:50:10 -0400 Received: from safran-28 (safran.imag.fr [129.88.29.1]) by imag.imag.fr (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA16539; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:50:01 +0200 Received: from localhost (elf@localhost) by safran-28 (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA22244; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:50:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199506280750.JAA22244@safran-28> From: Eugene.Fiume@imag.fr (Eugene Fiume) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 09:50:00 -0600 In-Reply-To: Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207's message as of Jun 28, 3:17am X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 755 keyboard On Jun 28, 3:17am, Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207 wrote: } PS Has there been a manufacturing problem with 755 keyboards? My keys } are awful to push down on, they all felel like they're sticking to the keys } next to them. I don't remember being like this initially, and hope as I use } the 755 more I break it in! My right-hand shift key is slightly higher than the left-hand one, to the extent where I can see the metal spring/brace holding it in. I tried to get it fixed before I left for France, but the part (some kind of rubber seat) took forever to arrive. It's perfectly usable as it is, but this does suggest a bit of a quality control problem for IBM's famed keyboards (which really are still better than the competition). Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 12:06:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18466; Wed, 28 Jun 95 12:06:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09005; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:47:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:47:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08994; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:47:08 -0400 From: Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24842; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:47:06 -0500 Message-Id: <9506281547.AA24842@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:48:39 EST Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... ** Reply to note from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU 06/27/95 11:26pm -0400 > "IBM should take things like this [sales tax] into account" > > more incomprensible IBM bashing, what the heck does it mean to take the > sales takx into account, it is nothing to do with IBM what states decide > to tack on to sales .... All I said was that because buying with an educational discount from IBM means paying sales tax, the difference in educational price and out-of-state mail-order retail price is only 2%-4%. Most mail order places discount more than that so for the most part there is no such thing as an educational "discount." IBM should take things like this into account when setting their prices. The "educational discount" is supposed to give folks in academia a financial break. The reality is that it doesn't. Either fix it so it does (sales tax and all), or get rid of it and refer people to good mail-order resellers. ____________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@uni.uiuc.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 14:06:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25917; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:06:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17734; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:50:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:50:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from longs.lance.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17710; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:50:44 -0400 Received: from summit.lance.colostate.edu (summit.lance.colostate.edu [129.82.188.48]) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5a (LANCE 1.01)) with SMTP id LAA27913; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 11:50:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199506281750.LAA27913@longs.lance.colostate.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: sf311553@lance.colostate.edu Subject: 16MB DRAM Card Error? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 11:50:38 -0600 From: (Stu Feld) X-Mts: smtp Hi, all! I am Stu Feld, the happy owner of a 755C (75MHzDX4/540MB HD). I recently decided to upgrade my TP to 20MB and purchased a 16MB memory card from my local authorized IBM dealer. The card is a Viking Components Platinum card (I5109/66G5109) and is parity memory. When I picked up the card, I brought my pad in and installed the card on the spot. When I tried to boot, 20096 KB Ok appeared, but the machine hung with the floppy drive LED lit. Hmmm... I then tried to run EZ-Setup by holding down the F1 key on powerup and I got 20096 KB OK 191FE and it hung without the floppy LED lit. I then tried a different card, thinking that possibly the card was bad, but with the same effect. Next I pulled the card out (started up fine) and ran EZ-Setup and disabled the parity check, thinking possibly the cards had non-parity memory. Restarted the machine, and all was OK still. Then, put back in the card. Now, it gave 20096 KB OK 191FE and hung without the floppy LED lit. I am at a loss as to what is going on, and I would appreciate any assistance. EZ-Setup gives the following info about the machine: BIOS 89G5214 Date 6/14/94 Model F8 Submodel 64 Revision Level 04 Power Management level 1.12 Setup Version 1.01 and several serial #s. Thanks, Stu Feld From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 14:42:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28371; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:42:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20267; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:29:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:29:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20250; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:29:13 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:25:33 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 28 Jun 95 14:33:17 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 28 Jun 95 14:32:54 EST From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: UConn Advancement Systems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:32:54 EST Subject: ?High pitched whistle from TP when charging? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-Id: <54641467FF0@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> What the heck is that noise? Its not loud at all and it is definitely only when the NiCa is charging. I figure its just the battery releasing toxic gasses, but I thought someone might have more than a hunch. Guy W. Farrell Computer Support University of Connecticut Foundation, Inc. Voice: (203)486-5900 Fax: (203)486-1615 (800)269-9965 My desk: (203)486-5606 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Home Phone: (203)281-3940 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 14:47:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28522; Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:47:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20059; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:25:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:25:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20043; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:25:08 -0400 Received: from bnme (bnme.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.138]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA14154 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:24:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:24:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199506281824.OAA14154@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1b5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "Brooks N. McNeely" Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... At 11:48 AM 6/28/95 EST, you wrote: >** Reply to note from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU 06/27/95 11:26pm -0400 > >> "IBM should take things like this [sales tax] into account" >> >> more incomprensible IBM bashing, what the heck does it mean to take the >> sales takx into account, it is nothing to do with IBM what states decide >> to tack on to sales .... > >All I said was that because buying with an educational discount from >IBM means paying sales tax, the difference in educational price and >out-of-state mail-order retail price is only 2%-4%. Most mail order >places discount more than that so for the most part there is no such >thing as an educational "discount." IBM should take things like this >into account when setting their prices. > Buying by mail order does not absolve the buyer from his obligation to pay state and local sales tax on any such goods purchased. A few years ago an attempt was made to require mail-order vendors to charge the appropriate state and local taxes and remit to the states. The compromise that was finally passed required any vendor with some kind of business presence in a state to collect and remit state and local sales tax. Vendors without such a presence are not required to collect sales tax, although the buyer is still required to pay it. Since IBM has a business presence in probably every state, any purchase from IBM will have state and local sales tax added to ithe price. IBM has no control over this requirement. If they tried to charge less for products they market directly, their resellers would quit carrying and selling IBM's products. About the only difference in the different channels are availability of product; one channel may have what you want in stock, another might not. The educational channel would seem to be the stepchild here. In general, IBM gives the same wholesale price to both their authorized dealers and their educational resellers. The dealers may sometimes get units cheaper through special deals on discontinued or imminently discontinued products (or maybe through some gray-market purchases), and many school distributors add on what they consider their overhead for providing the service. Also most schools are exempt from sales tax on their own purchases. It's only on purchases by private individuals that require them to charge sales tax. >The "educational discount" is supposed to give folks in academia a >financial break. The reality is that it doesn't. Either fix it so >it does (sales tax and all), or get rid of it and refer people to >good mail-order resellers. > A few years ago responsible mail-order vendors were not as prevalent, competition was not as stiff, and educational discounts were one of the best deals going. Now almost all the manufacturers and vendors are on razor thin margins; competition is intense, and computers have become a commodity market. Educational discounts are no longer the great deal they once were, but they may still be the best deal for many first-time buyers and people without the experience and knowledge to be able to compare the products in mail-order advertisements. >____________________________________________________________________________ > >John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design >jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the >jokim@uni.uiuc.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams > Brooks McNeely From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 16:08:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07774; Wed, 28 Jun 95 16:08:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26301; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:48:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:48:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26292; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:48:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA15760; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:48:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199506281948.PAA15760@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: "Brooks N. McNeely" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:24:17 EDT." <199506281824.OAA14154@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:48:44 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > Buying by mail order does not absolve the buyer from his obligation to pay > state and local sales tax on any such goods purchased. A few years ago an > attempt was made to require mail-order vendors to charge the appropriate > state and local taxes and remit to the states. The compromise that was > finally passed required any vendor with some kind of business presence in a > state to collect and remit state and local sales tax. Vendors without such a > presence are not required to collect sales tax, although the buyer is still > required to pay it. Can you cite a ruling? Last I knew, the U.S. Constitution gave Congress the sole power to regulate (and tax) interstate commerce. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 16:51:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12220; Wed, 28 Jun 95 16:51:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00504; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from math.rutgers.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00481; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:09 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by math.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.12) id QAA23780 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:03 -0400 From: moy Message-Id: <199506282039.QAA23780@math.rutgers.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: installing slackware on 755 This may be a FAQ and I apologize if it is. I have been trying unsuccesfully to install Linux/Slackware (from the March 95 InfoMagic 4 CD set) on an IBM ThinkPad 755C (DX2/50 340M HD 20 RAM). I am an experience Sun Unix user but a novice with the PC and Linux. Following the instructions, I have made boot and root floppies. When I boot with the boot disk, I get the boot prompt boot: I then enter the parameter boot: mount root=/dev/fd0 After requesting that I place the root disk into the floopy (which I do), I get the error message kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 02:00 I should add that on an old 386 Dell laptop, this procedure for booting Linux works (although I haven't tried to setup things yet). I have heard there are BIOS and disk geomtries parameters specific to the ThinkPad. I would greatly appreciate any advice/help. - Allen Moy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 16:58:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12458; Wed, 28 Jun 95 16:58:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00873; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:43:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:43:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom18.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00863; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:43:11 -0400 Received: by netcom18.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id NAA26862; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 13:42:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199506282042.NAA26862@netcom18.netcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 13:46:40 EDT From: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) Reply-To: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) To: GFARRELL@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: ?High pitched whistle from TP when charging? On Wed, 28 Jun 1995 14:32:54 EST you wrote: >What the heck is that noise? Its not loud at all and it is >definitely only when the NiCa is charging. I figure its just the >battery releasing toxic gasses, but I thought >someone might have more than a hunch. > >Guy W. Farrell Well I get a high pitch whistle from my 810 Meg Hard Drive. This is a known problem supposedly. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------- Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.com 1988 gun deaths: Canada 5, Great Britain 8, USA over 8500 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 17:31:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13629; Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:31:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03642; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:16:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:16:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03628; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:16:36 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA18728; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:11:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9506282111.AA18728@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506281948.PAA15760@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jun 28, 95 03:48:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > > Buying by mail order does not absolve the buyer from his obligation to pay > > state and local sales tax on any such goods purchased. > Can you cite a ruling? Last I knew, the U.S. Constitution gave Congress > the sole power to regulate (and tax) interstate commerce. I can't cite a ruling, but I have heard this also -- the trick is apparently that most states have a "use tax" that is equivalent to the sales tax. If you buy something via mailorder (interstate commerce), your state taxes your use of the item, and not the actual sale. Of course, I'm no lawyer and I haven't seen the specific laws involved, so I could very well be wrong. On the other hand, I can't see New York state NOT taxing everything they can get their blasted hands on. I figure the only thing stopping them from doing it right now is that the cost of gathering the info and enforcing the tax exceeds the expected revenues. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 17:52:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14367; Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:52:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05552; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:43:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:43:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from omerie by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05542; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:43:38 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:43 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: moy@math.rutgers.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:03 -0400 from moy Subject: installing slackware on 755 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 16:39:03 -0400 From: moy After requesting that I place the root disk into the floopy (which I do), I get the error message kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 02:00 I have heard there are BIOS and disk geomtries parameters specific to the ThinkPad. I would greatly appreciate any advice/help. You need the additional boot parameter "floppy=thinkpad". In slackware 2.2, and presumably more recent releases, it's not necessary to give disk geometry for a 340 MB disk -- the kernel will figure it out. This may be a FAQ and I apologize if it is. I'm sure this is an FAQ, but I couldn't find the answer when I went through this about a month ago -- after poking around several places on the net and reading between the lines, I decided that the above parameter might fix the problem. But nowhere did I see anyone unequivocally state that it was needed. So let me say so: you _must_ use "floppy=thinkpad" on a 755C to boot slackware! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 17:53:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14374; Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:53:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05358; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:41:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:41:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from LGATE.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05348; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:41:25 -0400 Received: by LGATE.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1692; Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:42:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9506282142.AA1692@LGATE.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 5CA5DD787A2F3D25852561E900752787; Wed, 28 Jun 95 17:42:19 To: sf311553 Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 28 Jun 95 17:35:13 Subject: Re: 16MB DRAM Card Error? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....I then tried a different card, thinking that possibly the card was bad, but with the same effect. Next I pulled the card out (started up fine) and ran EZ-Setup and disabled the parity check, thinking possibly the cards had non-parity memory. Restarted the machine, and all was OK still. Then, put back in the card. Now, it gave 20096 KB OK 191FE and hung without the floppy LED lit. I am at a loss as to what is...." Stu: I've seen bad IC DRAM cards & they don't act like this. I'd take it to an authorized dealer & have them check the DRAM socket. The Viking Platinum is the best IC DRAM I've seen for seamless installation in 75Xes. I don't know if the other card you tried was also parity, but if it wasn't, there's a strange ritual you have to go through to get some OEM non-parity DRAM cards to work in these boxes. No chickens involved, but in case you or anyone else needs this, I'll save you the hours I spent awaiting tech support for this tip: With parity checking *Enabled* in Easy Setup, turn off the laptop. install the non-parity DRAM card. turn the machine on, holding down F1. ******This is the important part. It must be done the *first* time you turn it on with non-parity card installed****** if you get a 201 at boot, ignore it for now & don't run memory test if it doesn't force you to before entering Setup (sometimes it forces you to, sometimes it doesn't) in Easy Setup, disable parity checking. That's it. simple trick, but it took three calls to tech support before I found someone who'd heard this little gem. Michael J. Verne mverne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. "It was a slow burg. I spent a couple of weeks there one day." ---Robert Frost From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 18:39:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16809; Wed, 28 Jun 95 18:39:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08965; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:29:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:29:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08944; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 18:29:17 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA02394; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:29:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:29:13 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Taxes and stuff (was: TP755CE not in stock?) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506282111.AA18728@hepth.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (I hadn't expected this to turn into a great big discussion. Please make sure you change the subject heading out of courtesy to those not interested.) On Wed, 28 Jun 1995, Lew Jansen wrote: > > > Buying by mail order does not absolve the buyer from his obligation > > > to pay state and local sales tax on any such goods purchased. > > > Can you cite a ruling? Last I knew, the U.S. Constitution gave Congress > > the sole power to regulate (and tax) interstate commerce. > > I can't cite a ruling, but I have heard this also -- the trick is > apparently that most states have a "use tax" that is equivalent to the > sales tax. If you buy something via mailorder (interstate commerce), > your state taxes your use of the item, and not the actual sale. The key word I believe was "nexus," or a business presence. It came up in a Supreme Court decision either late last year or early this year. I think the decision was that states could collect sales tax only if the seller had a business presence in that state. Otherwise it's interstate commerce and the states can't touch it. re: educational discounts, I pretty much agree with Brooks McNeely on the status of these discounts. One of the lines I accidently cut while editing was that it'd be unreasonable to expect IBM to maintain discount prices if it fell below their cost. If IBM is charging wholesale prices to both academia and resellers and we're still seeing lower street prices, then that's likely what's happening. So I guess the solution is to get rid of taxes. :-) -- John H. Kim Thinkpadless until I get my screen fixed jokim@Mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 21:58:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14617; Wed, 28 Jun 95 21:58:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20182; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:46:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:46:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20162; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:46:28 -0400 Received: from MKE-PPP-01.inc.net by inc.net (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA27829; Wed, 28 Jun 95 20:47:16 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 20:47:16 -0500 Message-Id: <9506290147.AA27829@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: josephw@beta.inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... >Can you cite a ruling? Last I knew, the U.S. Constitution gave Congress >the sole power to regulate (and tax) interstate commerce. > >Keith In fact, it was a US Supreme Court decision that led to the sales tax compromise mentioned (sorry, don't have the citation). In some states taxpayers are expected to add unpaid mail order sales taxes along with their income taxes. I know that is the case in Wisconsin. However, how they catch you if you don't is a whole 'nother matter. Joe Wilson Milwaukee, WI From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 22:12:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16805; Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:12:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21311; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:04:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:04:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21301; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:04:31 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA02638 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:03:09 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA02932 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:03:53 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:03:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199506290203.TAA02932@shell1.best.com> Subject: IBM & Microsoft don't support WFWG on 755? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) After an unsuccessful attempt to load WFWG over Windows 3.1 on my 755CX yesterday, I called IBM's Help Center to find out why. IBM told me they don't support WFWG on the 755 and to call Microsoft. Microsoft says they don't support WFWG on ThinkPads (including 755). I think this SUCKS. These companies are like two kids bickering with each other. Unfortunately, it's their customers who are suffering. Based on some of your feedback, it appears I need to reformat my hard drive, reload DOS and WFWG, and everything should work okay. I guess I'll never find out why WFWG won't load over Windows 3.1 on a 755CX ThinkPAd. IBM and Microsoft sure won't tell me. Does WFWG run okay on a 755 ThinkPad or is this just "politics" as usual? _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 28 22:12:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16810; Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:12:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21130; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:03:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:03:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21120; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:02:59 -0400 Received: by inforamp.net (/\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.1) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:02 EDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 22:02 EDT X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: (Stu Feld) From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: 16MB DRAM Card Error? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU I can't give you specific help, but IBM's usual "I don't know the answer" response is to upgrade your flash BIOS. As yours is a year old, you might try that. John >Hi, all! >I am Stu Feld, the happy owner of a 755C (75MHzDX4/540MB HD). > I recently decided to upgrade my TP to 20MB and purchased a 16MB >memory card from my local authorized IBM dealer. The card is a Viking >Components Platinum card (I5109/66G5109) and is parity memory. When I >picked up the card, I brought my pad in and installed the card on the >spot. When I tried to boot, > etc. >BIOS 89G5214 >Date 6/14/94 >Model F8 >Submodel 64 >Revision Level 04 >Power Management level 1.12 >Setup Version 1.01 > >and several serial #s. > >Thanks, >Stu Feld > > John Allman Plexxus Technologies Inc. Markham (Toronto), Ontario From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 01:41:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07770; Thu, 29 Jun 95 01:41:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02600; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:28:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:28:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02590; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:28:31 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA25794; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:28:28 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA02663; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:28:26 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506290528.WAA02663@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks N. McNeely) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506281824.OAA14154@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> from "Brooks N. McNeely" at Jun 28, 95 02:24:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >** Reply to note from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU 06/27/95 11:26pm -0400 > > > >> "IBM should take things like this [sales tax] into account" > >> > >> more incomprensible IBM bashing, what the heck does it mean to take the > >> sales takx into account, it is nothing to do with IBM what states decide > >> to tack on to sales .... > > > >All I said was that because buying with an educational discount from > >IBM means paying sales tax, the difference in educational price and > >out-of-state mail-order retail price is only 2%-4%. Most mail order > >places discount more than that so for the most part there is no such > >thing as an educational "discount." IBM should take things like this > >into account when setting their prices. > > > Buying by mail order does not absolve the buyer from his obligation to pay > state and local sales tax on any such goods purchased. A few years ago an But for all intents and purposes, for the private individual at least, this is really not an issue. One can avoid paying tax by buying >from certain out-of-state mail-order locations simply because the order- taker doesn't not have a presence it the buyer's state and therefore doesn't have to collect the tax. The state, lacking a sufficient enforcement mechanism (not to mention the information necessary to engage in where to apply that enforcement), isn't really in a position to go and collect from the individual. Personally, I think its a great way to beat the system. Better yet, have friends in non-sales-tax-levying states like Oregon or Delaware and have IBM ship there. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 01:41:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07776; Thu, 29 Jun 95 01:41:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02754; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:31:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:31:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02741; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:31:43 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA25993; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:31:41 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA02913; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:31:39 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506290531.WAA02913@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:31:39 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199506281948.PAA15760@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jun 28, 95 03:48:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Buying by mail order does not absolve the buyer from his obligation to pay > > state and local sales tax on any such goods purchased. A few years ago an > > attempt was made to require mail-order vendors to charge the appropriate > > state and local taxes and remit to the states. The compromise that was > > finally passed required any vendor with some kind of business presence in a > > state to collect and remit state and local sales tax. Vendors without such > > presence are not required to collect sales tax, although the buyer is still > > required to pay it. > > Can you cite a ruling? Last I knew, the U.S. Constitution gave Congress > the sole power to regulate (and tax) interstate commerce. What he's saying, Keith, is that technically you're supposed to be a nice little boy and write a separate check to your home state for the sales tax you didn't pay (yeah, right--like you'd actually DO that). But he's right. I don't know of the ruling's formal case name or number, but I do know that your home state *does* have the right to demand that you pay them sales tax on purchases you make from out of state--the only problem is that they have almost no way of knowing if you bought stuff from out of state, hence the enforcement problem. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 01:53:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08029; Thu, 29 Jun 95 01:53:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03136; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:41:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:41:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03124; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:41:45 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA26479; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:41:41 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA04218; Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:41:39 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506290541.WAA04218@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Taxes and stuff (was: TP755CE not in stock?) To: jokim@uni.uiuc.edu (John Kim) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 22:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "John Kim" at Jun 28, 95 05:29:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The key word I believe was "nexus," or a business presence. It came up > in a Supreme Court decision either late last year or early this year. > I think the decision was that states could collect sales tax only if > the seller had a business presence in that state. Otherwise it's > interstate commerce and the states can't touch it. I believe what it was, as one poster put it, is a "use tax"-- and the state, while not having a right to demand the seller collect it (unless the seller has a physical presence in the state), DOES have a right to demand that the purchaser--a resident of the state--pay it. As a side note, this came up a year or two ago when Gateway 2000 started charging sales tax on sales from California, New York, and Texas (and perhaps some others now). Apparently, California (and NY, etc.) made the argument that the extended on-site service warranties that Gateway offers (by contracting with another company whose name escapes me) constituted this "physical presence" in the state, obligating them to collect the sales tax from buyers. Now personally, I don't think they could make this argument stick--a contractual agreement with a whole seperate company doesn't not (IMO) constitute a physical presence on the part of the other contractor. I guess Gateway 2000's lawyers thought it would be cheaper to just collect the sales taxes than to fight this one out in the courts. Personally, I think they made a mistake--the fact that they now charge sales tax significantly erodes their price edge and in a few cases--such as with myself--has practically guaranteed that I won't purchase another machine >from them (my desktop is a Gateway and I like it--but I don't know that I'll buy another, as I'm not fond of paying for hundreds of dollars in sales tax on top of the system price). Hence, I and others will look at their mail-order competitors that do *not* charge that ugly 8.25% California sales tax to save a lot of money. > So I guess the solution is to get rid of taxes. :-) Bingo. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 03:30:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11237; Thu, 29 Jun 95 03:30:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08524; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:22:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:22:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08515; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:22:02 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id DAA17292; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:22:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199506290722.DAA17292@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: John Kim Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Taxes and stuff (was: TP755CE not in stock?) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 1995 17:29:13 CDT." Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:21:54 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > The key word I believe was "nexus," or a business presence. It came up > in a Supreme Court decision either late last year or early this year. > I think the decision was that states could collect sales tax only if > the seller had a business presence in that state. Otherwise it's > interstate commerce and the states can't touch it. That's how I thought things worked. I looked in the Supreme Court rulings at Cornell and found Quill Corp. v. North Dakota from 1992. Basically it affirms that a state cannot impose sales or use tax on goods sold by mail order by an out-of-state business that had neither outlets nor sales representatives in that state. However, the Quill ruling noted that Congress now has the authority to allow states to impose such taxes if it sees fit, since the Court had removed (since an earlier ruling) restrictions on such taxes due to the Due Process clause. I have no idea whether Congress has since granted authority to states to impose such taxes. See http://www.law.cornell.edu/syllabi?quill Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 03:55:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12052; Thu, 29 Jun 95 03:55:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09869; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:38:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:38:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09821; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:38:11 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id DAA17336; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:38:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199506290738.DAA17336@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: the more recent rulings Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 03:37:59 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Okay, I'll eat my words. I've since found references in more recent Supreme Court rulings that allow a state to impose "compensation" taxes as long as (basically) the tax on interstate commerce is not greater than the tax on intrastate commerce. Sigh. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 06:01:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17966; Thu, 29 Jun 95 06:01:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22740; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:49:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:49:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22726; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 05:49:08 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f91el@saturnus-3.efd.lth.se [130.235.41.13]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA19601; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:43:19 +0200 Message-Id: <199506290943.LAA19601@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: sandy@sandy.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, f91el@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: IBM & Microsoft don't support WFWG on 755? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:03:53 PDT." <199506290203.TAA02932@shell1.best.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:43:17 +0200 From: Erik Lindahl Hi, I don't know if this will solve the problem, but I have have some faint memory that I had to uninstall the display drivers, upgrade, and then reinstall them. That is, windows has problems using the 32-bit display drivers during the install - use the ordinary VGA driver temporarily. Once again, this might not work on your problem... Good luck anyhow.... Erik' From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 07:22:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21816; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:22:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26862; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:13:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:13:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26852; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:13:35 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14439; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:14:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:14:08 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506291114.AA14439@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... actually in many states, it is illegal to avoid payment of sales tax on computers ordered from out of state. Of course lots of people break this law frequently, and an attempt to have mail order companies collect this required sales tax was struck down by the federal courts. Nevertheless, what you are saying at least for some states is that IBM should recognize that most people are going to break the law anyway, so there is no point in them offering educational discounts. Actualy the whole attitude is a bit arrogant in the sense that sure, you can deal fine with mail order, and so can I, but the great majority of students shopping at the NYU bookstore definitely need teh help of a knowledgable sales person to help them, and want to shop locally. I certainly think the sales tax argument is therefore bogus. I do agree that educational discount prices on hardware are usually too low to be interesting. What I see at the NYU bookstore is that Mac prices are actually higher than the street prices in NYC, and the IBM prices are a little lower. Of course one thing you have to realize is that the bookstore marks up their EDU prices. The EDU prices you get from IBM of course take this into account for direct buying). Just as IBM charges list for ordinary customers, so as not to complete with the channel, they will charge some notional "educational list" price [does not actually exist as such], so as not to compete with the educational bookstore channel. That certainly makes sense, as FAR more machines are sold at university bookstores than at the EDU price from IBM direct, so IBM certainly does not want to compete with that channel. Your complaint is really similar to complaining that the normal non-EDU prices are higher than mail-order prices, well of course they are. If you are interested in getting the best possible price on anything, it is rarely the case that you buy direct from the manufacturer, because they cannot afford to compete with the channel. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 07:46:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23105; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:46:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27969; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:39:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:39:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27957; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:39:23 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA23184; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:40:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:40:08 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506291140.AA23184@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bnm@ornl.gov, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU fine Randy is interested in how to illegally avoid paying sales tax, but is that really an approrpiate topic for discussion in this group ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 09:51:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29769; Thu, 29 Jun 95 09:51:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05645; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:39:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:39:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05635; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:39:28 -0400 Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.4.0.1) via SMTP id AA14314 ; Thu, 29 Jun 95 09:39:23 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:38:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Solomon Subject: 750/755 compatability To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Will a battery and/or an 8MB memory card for a TP750C work in a TP755C? Thanks for any help, Michael Solomon Michael Solomon Consulting Atlanta, GA Internet: solomon@mathcs.emory.edu BITNET: solomon@emory.bitnet UUCP: {rutgers,gatech}!emory!solomon From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 10:21:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA01501; Thu, 29 Jun 95 10:21:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08048; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:11:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:11:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08034; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:11:36 -0400 Received: from bossie.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23822; Thu, 29 Jun 95 07:10:49 PDT Received: by bossie.cs.nps.navy.mil (950215.SGI.8.6.10/940406.SGI) for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU id HAA08353; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:10:48 -0700 From: "Robert George" Message-Id: <9506290710.ZM8351@bossie.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:10:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.0 26oct94 MediaMail) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBM & Microsoft don't support WFWG on 755? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sandy, I was able to load the WFWG 3.11 upgrade on top of Win 3.1 without any problems on my 755C. The only trick I ran into was that I have to have the absolute latest PCMCIA Ethernet drivers for my IBM brand Ethernet card, because the old IBM drivers didn't support the WFWG driver autoinstall feature. I also found that I used a lot less memory when I ran the Microsoft network, instead of using native transport mechanism on the IBM Ethernet drivers. The other fun exercise was to get 32-bit disk access running with the EIDE drives in the ThinkPad -- you need to get the *old* Fastdisk drivers from Western Digital. Hope that helps, Robert From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 11:01:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07028; Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:01:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10884; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:47:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:47:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10874; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from alcor.usc.edu (whittle@alcor.usc.edu [128.125.253.169]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA13266 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:47:18 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by alcor.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA22416 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:46:42 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199506291446.HAA22416@alcor.usc.edu> Subject: An Open Letter to Robert Dewar To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 07:46:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9506291114.AA14439@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jun 29, 95 07:14:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Robert Dewar: > I certainly think the sales tax argument is therefore bogus. As near as I can tell, anything you happen to disagree with is by definition "bogus". I've seen people make a good point every now and again and instead of a counter-point, you often demean the poster for some imagined ineptitude. >fine Randy is interested in how to illegally avoid paying sales tax, but >is that really an approrpiate topic for discussion in this group ... Allow me, if I may, to state what the rest of the TP mailing list already thinks, but is perhaps too gentlemanly to actually say: Frankly, I think we're growing just a wee bit weary of your pompous, arrogant, strutting around. Everytime you send a message it is couched in an attitude that your word is infallible--as though it were spoken by the mouth of God, or some other such poppycock. Would it be too much to simply ask you to be at least cordial? To have a reasonable degree of deference or perhaps even *respect* for other posters' thoughts, opinions, or professional expertise that may even match (or--God forbid--perhaps even *exceed*) your own in some area or another? Or is it a personal requirement that you always act like an unmitigated ass? My apologies to the rest of the list if for some reason I have misperceived this general overview--feel free to flame (or agree) at will. I just think its about time to call a spade a spade. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Making South-Central | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| L.A. a better place by | -Counselor, USC Business Expansion Network | helping small businesses | | help themselves. | ---------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 11:37:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09242; Thu, 29 Jun 95 11:37:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13709; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:25:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:25:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13666; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 11:25:28 -0400 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0sRLSZ-000DzLC; Thu, 29 Jun 95 08:24 PDT Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: IBM & Microsoft don't support WFWG on 755? To: george@bossie.cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 08:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506290710.ZM8351@bossie.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Jun 29, 95 07:10:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > The other fun exercise was to get 32-bit disk access running with the EIDE > drives in the ThinkPad -- you need to get the *old* Fastdisk drivers from > Western Digital. One of the recent uploads on Compuserve, allows 32-bit disk access without hassle... I believe it is the Utility diskette, but I cannot remember now. (These updates were made available in mid-june time frame.) If you cannot find it, send me email, and I'll look for the actual name. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 12:17:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11339; Thu, 29 Jun 95 12:17:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17334; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:04:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:04:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ECE.ORST.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17322; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 12:04:29 -0400 Received: from watson.ECE.ORST.EDU by ECE.ORST.EDU with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA17701; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:04:16 -0700 Received: by watson.ECE.ORST.EDU (1.37.109.16/HP-Client) id AA222381846; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:04:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 09:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Lee To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP755CX & WFWG Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sandy, I also have a '755CX - I installed WFWG 3.11 on top of the pre-loaded WIN 3.11 without a hitch. I then installed Proxim's RangeLan/2 PCMCIA spread spectrum wireless network, again without a hitch. The only thing I did prior to this was to un-install Warp. I'm now sending this message via RF to a shared modem on another machine - all seems to be working fine. This is a 755CX/16MB/810HD. Jim Lee From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 14:04:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17424; Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:04:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24840; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:52:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:52:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24817; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:52:04 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA19267; Thu, 29 Jun 95 13:52:45 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9506291352.ZM19265@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:52:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: Don Whiteside "Re: anyone know a quick source for tp750 batteries?" (Jun 27, 5:25pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: anyone know a quick source for tp750 batteries? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Actually, the address for Road Warrior is: http://warrior.com/ Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 14:18:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18064; Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:18:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25586; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:02:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:02:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25572; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:02:47 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA16886; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:02:44 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:02:42 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: Taxes and stuff (was: TP755CE not in stock?) To: Keith Moore Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199506290722.DAA17292@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Keith Moore wrote: > I looked in the Supreme Court rulings at Cornell and found > Quill Corp. v. North Dakota from 1992. Basically it affirms > that a state cannot impose sales or use tax on goods sold by > mail order by an out-of-state business that had neither outlets > nor sales representatives in that state. Hmm, I stumbled across the same web site via Yahoo. Anyways, like I said, I knew there was a decision on the subject within the last year (I distinctly remember reading it here at MIT). Try Oklahoma Tax Commission v. Jefferson Lines Inc. decided on 3 April 1995. The backbone case seems to be Complete Auto Transit, Inc. v. Brady. I guess the brouhaha was because cases like OK v. Jefferson have the potential to overturn older cases like Complete Auto. But the Court affirmed it so we're still using the "nexus" rule. Maybe a lawyer out there can make better sense of it. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 14:55:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20746; Thu, 29 Jun 95 14:55:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28367; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:32:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:32:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28349; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:31:59 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA17488; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:31:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 13:31:53 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506291114.AA14439@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hopefully to wrap things up (and to kill this thread in the unmodified subject heading): On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > I certainly think the sales tax argument is therefore bogus I disagree with your reasons for coming to this decision. However, in light of the recent discussion on sales taxes, I will change my opinion for the reason that all things are supposed to be taxed, and the price difference mail order enjoys depends on the purchaser breaking the law. In short, I was wrong, you were right, but I think you were right for the wrong reason. :) In light of the sales tax information, the point I was making in the original discussion is moot, overshadowed by a larger issue -- legality. > Your complaint is really similar to complaining that the normal non-EDU > prices are higher than mail-order prices, well of course they are. If you Normal prices and mail-order prices have the same two goals: to earn the company money, and to offer the customer a fair market price. Edu prices have a different goal, to offer academia a below-market* price. This difference in goals was the reason for my original disagreement with you, and why my original complaint is not similar to what you are describing above. But like I said above, the point is moot. * if there was no sales-tax. Whether or not the company wants to make money is entirely up to it. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 15:47:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25461; Thu, 29 Jun 95 15:47:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01880; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from asylum.sf.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01870; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:18 -0400 Received: (from lang@localhost) by asylum.sf.ca.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA13131; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:23:07 -0400 From: Lang Zerner Message-Id: <199506291923.PAA13131@asylum.sf.ca.us> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Please take it outside Reply-To: Lang Zerner The tp750 list is intended for the discussion of IBM's ThinkPad 750 and 755 series mobile computers. The sales tax thread has wound its way far from the topic of ThinkPads, and its messages ounumber ThinkPad-related messages almost five to one. Yes, we all know how to press the D key on our keyboards, but it is discourteous to require us to do so. Please resist the inexplicable temptation to use the tp750 list as a forum for discussing sales tax law. Be seeing you... --Lang Zerner ITC Consulting Group integrated communication consulting services 915 Cole Street #151 networks * publishing * training * design San Francisco, CA 94117 +1 415 861 7688 itc@apocalypse.org From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 17:24:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07177; Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:24:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10506; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:09:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:09:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10496; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:09:10 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA39058; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:04:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9506292104.AA39058@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: TP755CE or TP701C? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: lrj@hepth.cornell.edu (Lew Jansen) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text As I'm getting closer and closer to actually ordering a Thinkpad, I'm starting to wonder whether to still get a TP755CE or to perhaps go with the new Butterfly, TP701C. I've read through the stats on both, and left wondering if the extra weight of the 755CE is worth avoiding the slight inconveniences the 701C's design presents. Does anyone have any comments as to why they might choose a 755CE vs. a 701C? I'm not looking for stuff about CPU speed/power or how you needed an internal floppy drive. I'm curious about any other issues that people dealt with in making such a decision. Part of my dilemma stems from the fact that I have to go through IBM PC Direct, and they pretty much are no longer selling the 540 and 810 meg 755CE's. That leaves just the 340M version, and I'm not positive that's likely to be enough disk space (I could get a 3rd party disk, but that's an add'l cost) -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 18:35:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11350; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:35:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15947; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:26:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:25:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15935; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:25:56 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06061; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:26:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:26:34 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292226.AA06061@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: solomon@mathcs.emory.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750/755 compatability The batteries will not move from a 750C to a 755C, the memory card will (at least my 32 meg card moved OK). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 18:39:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11420; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:39:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16368; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:31:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:31:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16357; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:31:21 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08054; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:32:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:32:06 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292232.AA08054@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Robert Dewar this open letter to Robert Dewar was unfortunately content free :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 18:39:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11425; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:39:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16391; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:31:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:31:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16380; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:31:52 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08296; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:32:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:32:30 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292232.AA08296@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Robert Dewar by content free I am not complaining at its contents, just noting that it was an empty message! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 18:52:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12401; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:52:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16935; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:44:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:44:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16920; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:44:26 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13527; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:45:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:45:07 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292245.AA13527@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@uni.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU But John, you completely ignored the important part of my note which was pointing out that the educational prices from IBM cannot compete with bokstore prices, which have profit build in. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 18:54:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12560; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:54:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17088; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:47:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:47:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from blob.best.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17076; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:47:12 -0400 From: Received: from shell1.best.com (shell1.best.com [204.156.128.10]) by blob.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA06541 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:45:47 -0700 Received: from 204.156.137.12 (sandy.vip.best.com [204.156.137.12]) by shell1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA23009 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:46:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 15:46:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199506292246.PAA23009@shell1.best.com> Subject: 32-bit Disk Access with WFWG and 755CX To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Hello All, Thanks to everyone who responded to my recent plea for help with getting WFWG loaded onto my 755CX. General concensus seems to be that OS/2 WARP needs to be uninstalled BEFORE attempting to load WFWG over Windows 3.1. In my case, I reformated the hard drive and reloaded DOS, Windows, WFWG, and the TP utilities and everything is working fine. On a related topic, I'd like to know how to get 32-bit "disk" access working on the 755CX under WFWG. The 32-bit "file" access works fine. Someone suggested to me that I need to get Western Digital's old Fastdisk driver to implement this. Suggestions?? If I need a specific driver, can someone recommend where I might find it to download via FTP? Thanks again. _\//__ --Sandy / _ _ \ ( @ @ ) +-----.oOOo--()--oOOo.-------+ | InterNet : sandy@sandy.com | +-------------- Oooo.--------+ .oooO ( ) ( ) ) / \ ( (_/ \_) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 18:57:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12671; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:57:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17175; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:49:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:49:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17159; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:49:47 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14769; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:50:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:50:30 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292250.AA14769@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: lang@asylum.sf.ca.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Please take it outside I am always amazed at people bothering to write long messages protesting a particular thread, when, at least if you are in a reasonable environment, it is much better to just kill a thread you don't like. That is a decision you make for yourself, and then you won't see what you don't want to see. Why should you feel you have to make the decision for everyone else. If your mail reader does not allow you to kill threads, put the energy in to find one that does, it is really unacceptable not to have this capability. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 19:04:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12836; Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:04:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17583; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:57:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:57:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17572; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:57:01 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17370; Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:57:45 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:57:45 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292257.AA17370@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE or TP701C? the 701 is limited to 2o or 24 megs memory, a big disadvantage if you ask me, also the battery is chintzy and the disks are incompatible with the 755. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 19:14:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13533; Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:14:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17998; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:07:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:07:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17988; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:07:21 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA22149; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:07:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 18:07:18 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9506292245.AA13527@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 29 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > But John, you completely ignored the important part of my note which was > pointing out that the educational prices from IBM cannot compete with > bokstore prices, which have profit build in. For the sake of this list: Ok Robert, you win. I'm totally, completely, unequivocably, undeniably, inexcusably wrong. I was wrong to suggest IBM's educational pricing was absurd, I was wrong to suggest IBM should try harder to save money for people in academia. I was wrong to say that IBM's Thinkpad hard disks are overpriced. I will not speak of any of this again. I will refrain from criticizing IBM's management and pricing policies. I will no longer post information on how to get better deals than directly >from IBM because you've convinced me that IBM's prices are totally, entirely, irrefutably fair. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 19:49:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15169; Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:49:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19512; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:40:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:40:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from longs.lance.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19499; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:40:15 -0400 Received: from summit.lance.colostate.edu (summit.lance.colostate.edu [129.82.188.48]) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.9/8.6.5a (LANCE 1.01)) with SMTP id RAA09539 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 17:40:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199506292340.RAA09539@longs.lance.colostate.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 16MB DRAM Card Error Answer Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 17:40:07 -0600 From: (Stu Feld) X-Mts: smtp Thanks to all for the help with the DRAM card. Unfortunately, it looks like the problem is a hardware error in the pad itself. Fortunately, it is still under warranty (one of the reasons to pay the price for the thinkpad) and will be repaired for free. Thanks again, Stu Feld From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 29 19:49:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15182; Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:49:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19625; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:41:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:41:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19614; Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:41:41 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18076; Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:42:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:42:24 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506292342.AA18076@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@uni.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? - help locating suppliers ... John, do you not understand the point on margins and the importance of not competing with the channel. The point I am making is that your target is wrong, you should not be complaining at the EDU prices from PC direct, because they are determined by the prices charged to bookstores. Instead you should complain at the bookstore prices. As I mentioned earlier, IBM is a tleast better than Apple. For MAC's, I pay more than I would in a store nearby. For Thinkpads I pay (a little) less. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 01:54:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09352; Fri, 30 Jun 95 01:54:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11423; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:46:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:46:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11405; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:46:16 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09064; Fri, 30 Jun 95 01:45:43 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0031; Fri, 30 Jun 95 01:45:49 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 01:45:49 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9506300545.AA0031@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Cc: solomon@mathcs.emory.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:26:34 -0400 from dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Subject: 750/755 compatability Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 18:26:34 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) The batteries will not move from a 750C to a 755C, the memory card will (at least my 32 meg card moved OK). This is false. I did this today. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 06:49:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22465; Fri, 30 Jun 95 06:49:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04586; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 06:39:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 06:39:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04575; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 06:39:36 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA08416; Fri, 30 Jun 95 06:40:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 06:40:16 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506301040.AA08416@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: 750/755 compatability Cc: solomon@mathcs.emory.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU sorry, you are absolutely right, the batteries *do* move from a 750C to a 755C. It was when I moved from my 755C to my 755CD that I had to buy new batteries. Sorry for misinformation. At this stage I have owned 700C->720C->750C->755CD->755CX and it is not so easy to keep track of the incompatibilities and when they appear! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 11:23:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10713; Fri, 30 Jun 95 11:23:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23675; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:12:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:12:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23665; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:12:27 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:10:37 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:07:38 -0400 To: lang@asylum.sf.ca.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Please take it outside -Reply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert Dewar Forwarded: I am always amazed at people bothering to write long messages protesting a particular thread, when, at least if you are in a reasonable environment, it is much better to just kill a thread you don't like. That is a decision you make for yourself, and then you won't see what you don't want to see. Why should you feel you have to make the decision for everyone else. If your mail reader does not allow you to kill threads, put the energy in to find one that does, it is really unacceptable not to have this capability. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Robert, why are you saying that "... Why should you feel you have to make a decision for everyone else" and "If your mail reader does not allow you to kill threads, put the energy in to find one that does ..." in the same message? Or have you just stuck your tongue-in-cheek? I'm sorry Robert I found the paradox "is really unacceptable". Robert Cahill From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 11:35:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11044; Fri, 30 Jun 95 11:35:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24635; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:24:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:24:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24625; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:24:12 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA25735; Fri, 30 Jun 95 11:24:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 11:24:45 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9506301524.AA25735@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: CAHILLRE@BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, lang@asylum.sf.ca.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Please take it outside -Reply Robert I find your view incomprehensible, because you don't feel like doing a bit of work, you want to stop information flow to everyone. My feeling is that you shold do the work. Your attitude is like someone who thinks switching channels is too much trouble, therefore a program should be removed. No paradox here, there is a big differnce between expecting minimal work >from people who want to suppress threads, and a demand to suppress the thread for everyone. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 12:07:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12588; Fri, 30 Jun 95 12:07:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27514; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:57:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:57:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jupiter.cast.msstate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27503; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:57:17 -0400 Received: from Berea.CAST.MsState.Edu by jupiter.cast.msstate.edu (4.1/6.0s-FWP); id AA05640; Fri, 30 Jun 95 10:57:09 CDT Received: by Berea.CAST.MsState.Edu (920330.SGI/6.0c-FWP); id AA23199; Fri, 30 Jun 95 10:57:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 10:57:08 +36000 From: Valentine Anantharaj To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP755CE not in stock? ... (SUMMARY) In-Reply-To: <9506271843.AA24317@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thanks for all who responded. I did not really intend for the digression in this thread. I have got some good help from this list. I hope this can wind-up this thread (along with the digression which, if necessary, really needs another thread altogether). We were able to negotiate with a local IBM authorized dealer to match the New York prices below - shipping, taxes, and delivery included! This dealer seemed to be quite eager to work with us as a new client with potential future business with them. Apparently, nearly 50% of their business is with educational and government orders. We were even able to negotiate 8mb memory prices for TP755CE for under $400 which is the best we have been able to find. Whoever thought can not be be competitive with nationally known outfits! So, the waiting is the hardest part now! Best regards, VGA Valentine G. Anantharaj --------------- val@cast.msstate.edu --- MSU - Center for Air-Sea Technology vga1@ra.msstate.edu | Bldg. 1103, Room 233 Tel.: (601)688-1157 | Stennis Space Center Fax: (601)688-7100 | MS 39529-5005 -------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > well the 755CE is obviosuly obsolete, I can't believe IBM will be > making any more of them. > > That EDU price is not specially wonderful. In todays Science Times, EXEL > advertises 755CE with 540 meg for $4195 > > other EXEL prices: 755C (50MHz 340/4) $2695 > 755CD (540) $5495 > 755CE (340) $3795 > 755CE (810) $4495 > > Newtech (1800-554-9747) advertises the 755CE with 540meg for $4188 > > RCS (my preferred vendor of these three, but I have dealt with all, and all > are reasonable) has no 755CE's advertised, they are advertising the 755CX > with 540 meg for $5499. 212-949-6935 [as for Ray, and mentoin my name for > possible more personal service, since I have bought a bunch of thinkpads > from him] > > EXEL's number is 800-486-EXEL > > All three places typically have TP's in stock for immediate sale. > > So in short, the IBM EDU prices do not sound like they are worth bothering > with. > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 12:48:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14909; Fri, 30 Jun 95 12:48:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00307; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:29:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:29:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00271; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:29:24 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:27:43 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:24:32 -0400 To: lang@asylum.sf.ca.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Please take it outside -Reply -Reply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >From Robert Dewar.: Robert I find your view incomprehensible, because you don't feel like doing a bit of work, you want to stop information flow to everyone. My feeling is that you shold do the work. Your attitude is like someone who thinks switching channels is too much trouble, therefore a program should be removed. Response: < Robert, This is the type of work many of us choose to do on a daily basis. So doing this work you describe is not incomprehensible. Hopefully all of us take criticism with a nod of our haed and keep on going. Wat no one needs is the expression of what we should do or think or live our lives. Please, take a critical look at the responses that have been generated by the previous thread and establish your own individual opinion. Remember, your unsuppressed evaluations and impressions of the forum matter is what is the most important subject to the readers here. > I am not suggesting what you should believe, just remenber the topic that we are writing to. More time could be spent getting our individual work done. This is the last time I haope to express a non-ThinkPad topic to the forum! It isn't the place for it. Robert Cahill <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 12:59:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15264; Fri, 30 Jun 95 12:59:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01576; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:49:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:48:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01563; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:48:54 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org (dhite-pc.mitre.org [128.29.62.14]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA14090 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:48:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199506301648.MAA14090@mbunix.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@128.29.86.13 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:49:15 -0400 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: dhite@mitre.org (David Hite) Subject: Internet Phone Just in case some readers of this list are still interested in the Thinkpad (!), I tried Internet Phone (http://vocaltec.com) last night, and it works fine on a 755CSE with the mwave audio. I wasn't sure whether the mwave audio was full or half-duplex, so I tried both flavors of the program. It's half-duplex. David From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 13:25:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16809; Fri, 30 Jun 95 13:25:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03297; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:16:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:16:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03282; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:16:10 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:14:36 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:11:30 -0400 To: dhite@mitre.org Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Internet Phone -Reply >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried Internet Phone (http://vocaltec.com) last night, and it works fine on a 755CSE with the mwave audio. I wasn't sure whether the mwave audio was full or half-duplex, so I tried both flavors of the program. It's half-duplex. David <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Were you Telecommunicating or useing a real time on-line network service? How was the response time, and quality? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 13:25:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16815; Fri, 30 Jun 95 13:25:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03230; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:15:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:15:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03219; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:15:23 -0400 Received: from navajo.gate.net (jbush@navajo.gate.net [199.227.0.15]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA37168; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:13:42 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by navajo.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA41923; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:13:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: Robert Dewar Cc: CAHILLRE@BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU, dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU, lang@asylum.sf.ca.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Please take it outside -Reply In-Reply-To: <9506301524.AA25735@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII mr dewar, please, do me a big favor, either stop all of this palbre or change your internet address. i do not like people to think that all those who are >from NYU are of the same as you. you are supposed to be an educated person, if you are teaching at the university. if you are studying there then please get yourself an education. what i am trying to tell you in a nice way is that you are making yourself obnoxious to a lot of people. that is not a way to gain friends on a net nor a way to get your point across. your 'conversations' are out of line and people have been trying to tell you this in a nice way. take the hint and grow up and all will be forgiven. there is no sense in becoming ostracized in a community in which you wish to participate. if the above words are not understandable to you then i will try to lower my vocabulary to whatever level it will take to get you to understand. do not come on here and represent nyu for i resent the inference!!!! jamie On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > Robert I find your view incomprehensible, because you don't feel like > doing a bit of work, you want to stop information flow to everyone. My > feeling is that you shold do the work. > > Your attitude is like someone who thinks switching channels is too much > trouble, therefore a program should be removed. > > No paradox here, there is a big differnce between expecting minimal work > from people who want to suppress threads, and a demand to suppress the > thread for everyone. > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 14:28:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20899; Fri, 30 Jun 95 14:28:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06922; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:16:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:16:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jupiter.cast.msstate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06909; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:16:07 -0400 Received: from Berea.CAST.MsState.Edu by jupiter.cast.msstate.edu (4.1/6.0s-FWP); id AA06588; Fri, 30 Jun 95 13:15:52 CDT Received: by Berea.CAST.MsState.Edu (920330.SGI/6.0c-FWP); id AA24894; Fri, 30 Jun 95 13:15:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 13:15:51 +36000 From: Valentine Anantharaj To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP755CE - memory slots? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am in the process of ordering a TP755CE. I really would prefer to have 24mb memory. I am interested in running Linux and X and do some scientific data crunching and graphics that require more memory. (I know 755CX would be a better choice, but this is all I can afford now, and I prefer a TP for various other reasons) But I can afford only 16mb right now. I would like to be able to add 8mb or more in the future if I can. Could someone please tell me how many slots there are, and how I can best optimize the costs? If I order a TP now with 16mb will it fill the slot(s) making it not possible to add more chips in the future? If so, then I may prefer to order the base configuration of 8mb and add one 16mb card/chip later. Please give me your knowledgeable advice and experience. Regards, VGA Valentine G. Anantharaj --------------- val@cast.msstate.edu --- MSU - Center for Air-Sea Technology vga1@ra.msstate.edu | Bldg. 1103, Room 233 Tel.: (601)688-1157 | Stennis Space Center Fax: (601)688-7100 | MS 39529-5005 -------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 14:37:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21361; Fri, 30 Jun 95 14:37:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07937; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:23:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:23:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from genesis.ait.psu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07924; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:23:37 -0400 Received: from ppp118.cac.psu.edu (ppp118.cac.psu.edu [128.118.73.118]) by genesis.ait.psu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA29898 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:22:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199506301822.OAA29898@genesis.ait.psu.edu> X-Sender: afs1@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:15:54 -0400 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: afs1@psu.edu (Arnold Shapiro) Subject: AC Adapter for use in England I will be using my 750C in England. It uses the AC Adapter P/N 49G2194. [it also lists 49G2192 & FRU P/n 49G2196] Will this adapter work in England? Do I need any other equipment? Thanks for your help. Arnold ---------------------------------------------- Arnold F. Shapiro Penn State University 409F Smeal College of Business University Park, PA 16802-3004 (814) 865-3961 (814) 865-6284 (FAX) afs1@psu.edu http://cac.psu.edu/~afs1/30arc_02.html From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 14:52:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22420; Fri, 30 Jun 95 14:52:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09375; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:38:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:38:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from news1.radix.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09364; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:38:50 -0400 From: Received: from (dialin13.annex1.radix.net [204.157.128.26]) by news1.radix.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05512; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:35:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:35:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199506301835.OAA05512@news1.radix.net> To: Randal Whittle , TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Robert Dewar X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) I would agree completely with this. And add that this list in general seems to be filled with pompous *holes. I posted what must have been an inferior question days ago and have not seen one reply. Add to this the fact that the product that prompted the question was a two month old and already malfunctioning Thinkpad 755C and you wonder what all the pomposity is about. You don't want to respond to my questions? Who cares. I'm unsubscribing immediately. Bye bye. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 15:07:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23740; Fri, 30 Jun 95 15:07:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11346; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dns1.eecs.wsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11291; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:54:29 -0400 Received: from wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu by dns1.eecs.wsu.edu (8.6.10/8.940801) id LAA22082; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:54:12 -0700 From: "John C. Hart" Received: by wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu (931110.SGI) id AA28121; Fri, 30 Jun 95 11:54:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 11:54:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9506301854.AA28121@wazoo.eecs.wsu.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, afs1@psu.edu (Arnold Shapiro) Subject: Re: AC Adapter for use in England I used my 750Cs in France. I just used an adapter that just changed the shape of the plug. The power adapter says it can handle the 220V 50Hz input. -John --- John C. Hart, Asst. Prof. School of EECS, Wash. St. Univ. Pullman, WA 99164-2752 (509)335-2343 fax:(509)335-3818 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 15:50:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25924; Fri, 30 Jun 95 15:50:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15518; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:40:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:39:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mbunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15505; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:39:56 -0400 Received: from dhite-pc.mitre.org (dhite-pc.mitre.org [128.29.62.14]) by mbunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA28332; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:39:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199506301939.PAA28332@mbunix.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@128.29.86.13 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 15:40:10 -0400 To: From: dhite@mitre.org (David Hite) Subject: Re: Internet Phone -Reply Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU >Were you Telecommunicating or useing a real time on-line >network service? I was connected via Compuserve PPP internet service at 14,400 baud. >How was the response time, and quality? The quality is not quite as good as a telephone, but quite understandable most of the time. There seems to be a 1 or 2 or 3 second pause between the time you stop talking and you hear the other person answer, but part of that is just the time it takes for the other person to realize it's his turn. You almost need to say "over" when you're finished talking to make it clear. David From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 16:58:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00211; Fri, 30 Jun 95 16:58:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21191; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:46:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:46:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21180; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:46:19 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA12787; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:44:24 +0200 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24916; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:45:29 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0sRmuo-000DNRC; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:43 MET DST Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:43:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Hanno Wagner To: jet@b62528.student.cwru.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Thinkpad and X? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I am using an IBM Thinkpad called 370C, it has 12 MB RAM, 540MB HDD, TFT Active Display (SVGA, as usual, maximum 640x480x256). I installed Linux on it and it worked fine. Now I'm trying to install X 3.1.1 from Slackware 2.2 on it, but the Config-File (/etc/XF86Config) isn't working. I've fixed everything except the monitor things...who can tell me how to configure the X-Server to get the Display right? I hope to get an answer soon *smile* Read you, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK email: wagner@www.bid.fh-hannover.de URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ IRC: Rince (usually on #germany or #muenster or #braunschweig) "This is also a story about sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In. Well... ...one out of three ain't bad." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 17:33:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06468; Fri, 30 Jun 95 17:33:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23117; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:17:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:17:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hoover.stanford.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23107; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 17:17:08 -0400 Received: from HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU by HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #8660) id <01HSBJ3ZAF0G00ELAF@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU>; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:19:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dennis L. Bark" Subject: Linux To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HSBJ3ZB7XU00ELAF@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Can someone please explain to me, a new Think-Pad user of a 755CE, what "Linux" is. Can someone also explain to me why a message was posted to the board in the last day or two asserting that the 755CE is "obsolete." I just purchased mine recently, and I am delighted with it. The thought that the machine is "obsolete" is distressing, in the extreme, in view of what I paid for it. Thank you! D. L. Bark at Stanford From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 22:12:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20393; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:12:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08467; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:02:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:02:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08457; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:02:31 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16522; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:03:12 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:03:12 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9507010203.AA16522@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, val@cast.msstate.edu Subject: Re: TP755CE - memory slots? there are two ways to upgrade memory 1 16-meg credit card. cheaper, but not expandable. 1 16-meg DIM with adapter. the second approach is nicer because you can add a second DIM later. Sample prices (from Memory, 1-800-433-3726) 16 meg credit card: $629 16 meg DIM: $699 16 meg DIM with adapter: $749 so the DIMM approach is a little more, but more expandable, a 32 meg credit card will cost about $1399 (price from First Source, 1-800-524-9866) Prices are from april 25 PC magazine, and are thus out of date, so check with the companies involved for latest pricing. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 22:15:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20903; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:15:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08745; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:07:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:07:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08735; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:07:09 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16558; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:07:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:07:51 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9507010207.AA16558@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, afs1@psu.edu, hart@eecs.wsu.edu Subject: Re: AC Adapter for use in England look at your adapter carefully. IBM seems to be frequently changing the design of adapters. They started with a big bulky multi-voltage gizmo, then went to a much smaller 110 vlt only, then back to a neater multi-voltage design (the one with a wrap strap). I am talking about the adapters shipped with the 700C-720C-750C-755C-755CD-755CX where I have seen this progression. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 22:28:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21352; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:28:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09513; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:20:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:20:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09501; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:20:08 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA13577; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 21:19:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 21:19:50 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: Linux To: "Dennis L. Bark" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <01HSBJ3ZB7XU00ELAF@HOOVER.STANFORD.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Dennis L. Bark wrote: > Can someone please explain to me, a new Think-Pad user of a 755CE, what > "Linux" is. Can someone also explain to me why a message was posted to the > board in the last day or two asserting that the 755CE is "obsolete." I just Linux is a freeware version of Unix for Intel 386/486/Pentium. The CE is considerd "obsolete" because IBM released the CX, basically a Pentium version of the CX. I wouldn't call it obsolete, but some would. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 22:33:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21780; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:33:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10008; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:26:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:26:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09991; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:26:21 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16729; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:27:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:27:00 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9507010227.AA16729@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: BARK@hoover.stanford.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Linux The 755CE is obsolete because it is replaced by the two models of the 755CX. The 755CE lies between the two CX models in caoability, the pricing of the CX models is clealry more aggressive. Don't get too upset that the TP you bought is obsolete, IBM moves very rapidly, and all TP ownders find that their machines are quickly obsolete, but so waht, they are great machines that do the job, and you have to buy sometime, if you wait for ever you will never buy. If you are delighted with your machine, be happy! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jun 30 22:46:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22461; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:46:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10672; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:39:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:39:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10662; Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:39:06 -0400 Received: by GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16817; Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:39:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 95 22:39:45 -0400 From: dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9507010239.AA16817@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> To: BARK@hoover.stanford.edu, jokim@uni.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Linux Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU "The CE is considerd "obsolete" because IBM released the CX, basically a Pentium version of the CX. I wouldn't call it obsolete, but some would." you meant to say a Pentium version of the CE :-) Actually the higher end CX model also has a far superior screen to the CE, the 600 x 800 really makes a difference, at least for the kind of work I do! Note that you can upgrade the CE to be a Pentium which makes it end up somewhere between the two CX models in power (lower res screen, but has the Mwave).