From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 02:43:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00319; Sun, 1 Oct 95 02:43:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26884; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 02:42:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 02:38:58 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26644; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 02:38:53 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA15040; Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:37:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 23:37:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199510010637.XAA15040@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mark_Strawcutter From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu This came up before, and I think the answer from an ibm tech was that the trackpoint is periodically polled for it's position, and that position is made the new "center". Seems the problem they didn't consider is that you may be pushing on it during a poll, and when you release it, you're no longer in what it thinks is the center. Basically, just live with it, you can't fix it, and when it happens, just wait a bit for it to right itself. One odd note, this used to happen to me from time to time in win3.1, but I just realized that I can't recall it happening even once since I switched to win95 a year ago.. Just lucky? Can anyone confirm that the problem still occurs in win95? I thought it was something in rom, not the mouse driver. Oh, I have a 755cs (but the same thing happened on my 720) ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 09:35:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25664; Sun, 1 Oct 95 09:35:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03936; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:34:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:32:26 -0400 Received: from mwunix.mitre.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03753; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:32:24 -0400 Received: from cyclone.mitre.org (cyclone.mitre.org [128.29.86.13]) by mwunix.mitre.org (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA02843 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:32:22 -0400 Received: from mwppp4.mitre.org by cyclone.mitre.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17512; Sun, 1 Oct 95 09:32:26 EDT Message-Id: <9510011332.AA17512@cyclone.mitre.org> X-Sender: dhite@cyclone X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:33:58 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: David Hite Subject: Re: using German phone lines >lots of German lines are configured to send "toll >pulses" (Gebuehrenimpulse) to the set, typically to click a >mechanical counter as billing units go by. Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland." Haven't tried it, so don't know if it works, but I've ordered other stuff from them in the past that was OK. David From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 11:28:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00310; Sun, 1 Oct 95 11:28:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12990; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:28:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:24:51 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12643; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:24:47 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA31304; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:20:29 -0400 Message-Id: <9510011520.AA31304@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting To: jesse@spine.com (jesse montrose) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: MJSTRAW@grove.iup.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510010637.XAA15040@mom.hooked.net> from "jesse montrose" at Sep 30, 95 11:37:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > One odd note, this used to happen to me from time to time in win3.1, but I > just realized that I can't recall it happening even once since I switched to > win95 a year ago.. Just lucky? Can anyone confirm that the problem still > occurs in win95? I thought it was something in rom, not the mouse driver. It's happened a couple of times to me under Win95 on my TP755cx (which has the "trackpoint III") -- but only if I absentmindedly leave my finger on the little nub, applying a little pressure. It corrects itself quickly once I let go of the thing. It hasn't done it unless I was the direct cause. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 12:18:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07506; Sun, 1 Oct 95 12:18:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17253; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:17:02 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17096; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:16:58 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (sears@localhost) by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.8davy) id LAA23392; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:15:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199510011615.LAA23392@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:15:52 -0500 From: Michael J Sears To: MJSTRAW@grove.iup.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting Mark, I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. I can't comment about the 755 CD - sorry. Michael |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| | ___ | Michael J. Sears, Graduate Student | | ( __ __ __ __ | INTERNET: sears@ecn.purdue.edu | | `-- |--'| || (_ | Department of Agricultural & Biological Engineering | | ___) `-- `--|| __) | Purdue University | | | West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1146 USA | | | Home Page: http://www.evansville.net/~sears/ | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| --> From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 21:22 EST 1995 --> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT) --> From: Mark_Strawcutter --> Subject: TrackPoint II drifting --> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> X-Envelope-to: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> MIME-version: 1.0 --> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --> --> My 755CD TrackPint III will have mild episodes of drift - the mouse cursor will --> start moving on it's own - that usually stop after .25-.50 inches. This I can --> live with and even remember reading about in the manual somewhere. --> --> The real reason for this post is an older 350 we have at work. It has more --> frequent episodes with it's TrackPoint II, but the cursor will keep moving --> until it hits the edge of the screen. I know the 350 isn't technically within --> the scope of this list, but I wondered if any of you experienced a similar --> problem with a 350 and if so was there a solution. --> --> Thanks --> --> ---------- --> Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu --> Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP --> Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 --> Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 13:58:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12720; Sun, 1 Oct 95 13:58:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22443; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:55:30 -0400 Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22279; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 13:55:27 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA00338; Sun, 1 Oct 95 13:55:22 EDT Message-Id: <9510011755.AA00338@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:09:35 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: 386spart.par I was doing my fall disk cleaning, and I've come across a huge file which I can't identify. I'm running dual-boot Warp or Dos on a 540 meg disk partitioned into a 260 meg FAT partition and a 260 meg HPFS partition. On the FAT partition, there are the two dos hidden files, the two warp extended attribute hidden files, the hidden thinkpad hibernation file, and another hidden mystery file called 386SPART.PAR. This file is 29 megs! Does anybody know what this file does? What will die if this file is corrupted? My guess is that it is a swap file belonging to either Warp or windows. If it is a warp file, I assume that it will run faster and safer on the HPFS partition. Extra credit question: I can run windows under warp, but not under dos boot. This problem dates to my last video driver update dabacle, where I tried to install 755wd101 video drivers on my 750 mono. I went back to the older drivers, but I can't boot windows from dos anymore. Any ideas? Thanks for your help. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 14:44:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15109; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:44:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26281; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:43:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:42:11 -0400 Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26195; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:42:10 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2467) id <01HVXGFIYQUO8Y6HKS@grove.iup.edu>; Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark_Strawcutter Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Sun, 01 Oct 1995 11:15:52 -0500" <199510011615.LAA23392@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HVXH45J9UC8Y6HKS@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT >I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post >doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. Both. Mostly noticable in Windows, but also with WP5.1 for DOS. >If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if >Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- >DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i >This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. What needs to be done - the checking or the reinstallation? >I can't comment about the 755 CD - sorry. The 755CD isn't really a problem. Very infrequent episodes, and total spontaneous movement is ony a quarter inch or so. ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 14:58:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15937; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:58:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27789; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:58:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:56:08 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27490; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01800 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199510011855.LAA01800@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: jesse montrose Subject: RE: 755 vs 701 At 09:24 AM 9/29/95 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: > No, the sound system on the 701 and 755 are *not* the same. The 755CX/CD/CV use the Mwave DSP chip for sound, and also for modem & telephony functions. The 701 uses the ESS688 sound chip, which is an emulated sound blaster chip used in most other laptops. The 701 also has a standard Rockwell-based 14.4K non-upgradeable modem. Wow, that's really disappointing.. I thought I'd read that the 701 used the same mwave stuff as the high755 pads. I was waiting for them to give us a 701 with a pentium in it :) ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 14:58:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15942; Sun, 1 Oct 95 14:58:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27811; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:58:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:56:01 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27489; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@bass.hooked.net [199.2.134.18]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01796; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:55:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199510011855.LAA01796@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: 386spart.par Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 02:09 PM 10/1/95 +0100, Victor Kress wrote: >file called 386SPART.PAR. This file is 29 megs! Does anybody know what >this file does? What will die if this file is corrupted? My guess is that >it is a swap file belonging to either Warp or windows. If it is a warp >file, I assume that it will run faster and safer on the HPFS partition. Good guess, though unfortunately, it's windows 3.1 that uses it, so I'm pretty sure you can't put it on an HPFS partition. Nothing will die if it gets deleted or corrupted, you'll get a message when you run win31 next that warns you and asks if it can delete/recreate it for you. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 16:09:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21247; Sun, 1 Oct 95 16:09:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04085; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:09:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:06:42 -0400 Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03784; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:06:41 -0400 Received: from dramsey.ro.com (ts1p8.ro.com [205.216.92.28]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA00427 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:12:01 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 15:12:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199510012012.PAA00427@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup) From: Don Ramsey Subject: using German phone lines I came across this in the latest email from the Road Warrior company: >New Telephone Adapters > >We've just added adapters which allow a standard US RJ11 modular telephone to >plug into telephone jacks in Israel, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. >These are in addition to the adapters we already carry for use in the UK, Hong >Kong, Finland, Norway, Poland, Russia, Sweden, Korea, France, Italy, Germany, >Hungary, Denmark, and the Netherlands. Watch for more additions in the near >future, or visit our adapters page at http://warrior.com/cpplus/. > Don at dramsey@ro.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 20:19:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08352; Sun, 1 Oct 95 20:19:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22499; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:19:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:17:06 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22365; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 20:17:03 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@webe.hooked.net [199.2.134.9]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA00360 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:16:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 17:16:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199510020016.RAA00360@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad Mailing List From: jesse montrose Subject: new 'pads Whew! I was afraid I'd have to jump ship, but it looks like they have things well in hand :) ------------------------------ IBM said its new ThinkPads contain a special IBM video chip that generates images quickly enough to meet the film industry's latest digital standards on a 12.1 inch screen, which is 35 percent larger than the standard 10.4 inch screen. The new ThinkPads are based on Intel Corp. Pentium processors, running at speeds of 90 and 120 megahertz. The 760 Series also is equipped with a tilt-up typing surface that assumes a five degree angle when opened. Underneath the keyboard is a compartment which can hold a number of components, such as a second battery or another hard drive for more storage capacity. The weight of the new models ranges from 6.1 pounds to 7.4 pounds. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 00:09:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21596; Mon, 2 Oct 95 00:09:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12067; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:09:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:05:40 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11638; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 00:05:38 -0400 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (sears@localhost) by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.12/3.8davy) for delivery to "tp750@cs.utk.edu" id XAA12270; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:05:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199510020405.XAA12270@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:05:35 -0500 From: Michael J Sears To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting --> From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 1 13:46 EST 1995 --> Date: Sun, 01 Oct 1995 14:39:02 -0400 (EDT) --> From: Mark_Strawcutter --> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting --> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> X-Envelope-to: tp750@cs.utk.edu --> MIME-version: 1.0 --> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT --> --> >I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post --> >doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. --> --> Both. Mostly noticable in Windows, but also with WP5.1 for DOS. --> --> >If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if --> >Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- --> >DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i --> >This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. --> --> What needs to be done - the checking or the reinstallation? Both. You will need to run the setup.exe program in your Windows directory. I don't know if it will solve the problem or not since it is showing up in DOS, and my solution involves changing your Windows installation. Granted, I hardly ever used a DOS program on it that made use of the Track Point, most all of my software is Windows based. When my TP was doing this (mostly) was when the APM would kick in - well actually when you tried to resume after suspending. Good luck, Michael J. Sears sears@ecn.purdue.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 05:12:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09565; Mon, 2 Oct 95 05:12:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04836; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:11:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:08:28 -0400 Received: from viper.es.ele.tue.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04347; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:08:14 -0400 Received: by viper.es.ele.tue.nl; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:08:01 +0100 Received: from E_EME/MAILQUEUE by emelan.eme.ele.tue.nl (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:07:28 MET-1DST Received: from MAILQUEUE by E_EME (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:07:09 MET-1DST From: "Maarten van de Velde" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:07:07 MET-2DST Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0 - works in NL Reply-To: elmemv@urc.tue.nl Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Message-Id: I promissed to follow up on the new MWave 2.0 installation in the Netherlands: It works! 'Simply installed all disks, and yo! it was ready to be used. I still use the extra command ATX3 before dailing (disable dial-tone detection). And I am able to get 28.8 kbs connections! (though not all the time, due to a limited number of 28.8 lines on our university's dial-in server). Maarten van de Velde FYI: Machine TP755CE / OS: Windows95 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 05:27:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10292; Mon, 2 Oct 95 05:27:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09032; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:26:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:25:23 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08531; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 05:25:16 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id KAA16609; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:24:58 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA09663; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:22:57 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA16570; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:23:49 +0100 Message-Id: <9510020923.AA16570@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00447; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:23:49 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:23:48 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH References: <9509301514.AA20828@nile.gnat.com> > Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they > call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates > these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say > that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and > Switzerland." Yikes, $49.50 ... I *must* get into the hardware business. Made one of these things a few months ago out of four resistors and three capacitors, grand total cost about $2. If somebody wants the schematic, mail me and I'll try to dig it up. ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 10:09:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27052; Mon, 2 Oct 95 10:09:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07436; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:08:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:06:14 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07159; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:06:06 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA15711; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:10:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:10:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Tim Vetter Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: <9510020923.AA16570@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I haven't been following this discussion carefully - not of interest to me - but if someone will write a few lines about what problem this is designed to solve, and provide the schematic&assembly instructions, it'll be one of the first contributions to the new web pages... Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape one, but there's a pure HTML command.... Oh, and I can scan that schematic if it's not in electronic form. On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Tim Vetter wrote: > > Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they > > call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates > > these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say > > that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and > > Switzerland." > > Yikes, $49.50 ... I *must* get into the hardware business. Made > one of these things a few months ago out of four resistors and > three capacitors, grand total cost about $2. If somebody wants > the schematic, mail me and I'll try to dig it up. > > ****************************************************** > Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) > tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) > ------------------------------------------------------ > Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development > Union Bank of Switzerland > voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 > snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland > ****************************************************** > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:01:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00111; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:01:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13642; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:00:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:59:55 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13457; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:59:53 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22549; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:00:41 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:00:41 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510021500.PAA22549@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: cmcmanis@scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM, gen@nynexst.com, manning@cs.vassar.edu Subject: Re: Partition Problems w/ 810mb HD Cc: art@aars.mit.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu At least IBM is consistent.... The TP "disk factory" asks the user to insert a "2MB diskette". It had me going for a while, until I realized they really meant a 3.5HD (1.44MB in my language) diskette. (Sorry for adding to a time-waster of a thread here, but I couldn't resist...) --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:27:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03474; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:27:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16951; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:26:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:24:21 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16699; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:24:14 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA21689; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:29:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:29:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Cc: Don Whiteside , don@elf.kendall.mdcc.edu Subject: Okay - Web Page Stuff Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII for the page. The Thinkpad Mailing List WWW Page is a place where list members and the ourside world can look and try to find information relation to the IBM Thinkpad series 75x. Much information can be found in the FAQ Other info can be found on the IBM web server Parties interested in the 750 mailing list can look here Additional resources include: Hardware how to get ref guide tricks and tips modems and adaptor plugs for international nifty accessories wetsuits i have a phone cord that spools into something that looks like a cassette tape, stuff like that (suggestions here, please) upgrades HD options what's available how to do 'homebrew' where to buy special deals for list members (ie Sigma Data) suggested vendors (with name and email of person who suggested) Memory options Processor options (or lack thereof) Software what came with it making MWave work other suggestions? Misc favorite vendors related WWW resources list member vanity stuff (links to people's pages) This is meant to be a VERY rough draft. I've very open to suggestions for better layouts, etc. I'm willing to put almost any related link on these pages. I _cannot_ however, spend a lot of time chasing down links and documents, and typing instructions and the like - being a student and employee takes time... I'd like to vaguely finalize this layout by the 9th, please submit yoru comments about the outline by then. Obviously subpoint additions will happen all the time, I just want to be sure we're all happy with the layout concept. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:35:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04383; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:35:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17802; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:31:23 -0400 Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17624; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:31:16 -0400 Received: from muskie.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17253; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:30:22 -0500 Received: by muskie.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA87064; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:29:12 -0500 From: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9510021529.AA87064@muskie.uhc.com> Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting To: sears@ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Sears) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup), ibm-tp500@virginia.edu (thinkpad 500 list group) In-Reply-To: <199510011615.LAA23392@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> from "Michael J Sears" at Oct 1, 95 11:15:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I never had this problem on my TP 500 until after installing Windows 95--which uses no device drivers or TSR's. I just installed Windows 95 last week. This has only happened once. Has anyone else seen this occur under Windows 95? What is the solution--the problem has gone away by rebooting. I wonder what causes this? > > Mark, > > I had this problem on my TP 350 as well in MS Windows 3.1. Your post > doesn't state if you this is a Windows or DOS or whatever releated problem. > If running Windows 3.x, have your co-worker double check to see if > Windows is installed for "MS-DOS System with APM" (instead of "MS- > DOS System"). Making this change solved this problem for me.i > This needs to be done from DOS - not from within Windows or in a DOS box. > > I can't comment about the 755 CD - sorry. > > Michael > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > | ___ | Michael J. Sears, Graduate Student | > | ( __ __ __ __ | INTERNET: sears@ecn.purdue.edu | > | `-- |--'| || (_ | Department of Agricultural & Biological Engineering | > | ___) `-- `--|| __) | Purdue University | > | | West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1146 USA | > | | Home Page: http://www.evansville.net/~sears/ | > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > --> From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 30 21:22 EST 1995 > --> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:11:58 -0400 (EDT) > --> From: Mark_Strawcutter > --> Subject: TrackPoint II drifting > --> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > --> X-Envelope-to: tp750@cs.utk.edu > --> MIME-version: 1.0 > --> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > --> > --> My 755CD TrackPint III will have mild episodes of drift - the mouse cursor will > --> start moving on it's own - that usually stop after .25-.50 inches. This I can > --> live with and even remember reading about in the manual somewhere. > --> > --> The real reason for this post is an older 350 we have at work. It has more > --> frequent episodes with it's TrackPoint II, but the cursor will keep moving > --> until it hits the edge of the screen. I know the 350 isn't technically within > --> the scope of this list, but I wondered if any of you experienced a similar > --> problem with a 350 and if so was there a solution. > --> > --> Thanks > --> > --> ---------- > --> Mark J Strawcutter Internet: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu > --> Director, Systems and Communications BITNET: MJSTRAW@IUP > --> Indiana University of Pennsylvania Voice: (412) 357-4007 > --> Indiana, PA 15705 "you can't nail jello to a tree" > -- Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529| 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502| Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com| ** B'days are good for health ** Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:53:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07097; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:53:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20255; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:52 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20059; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:49 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA04083 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:40 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA04793; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > I haven't been following this discussion carefully - not of interest to > me - but if someone will write a few lines about what problem this is > designed to solve, and provide the schematic&assembly instructions, it'll > be one of the first contributions to the new web pages... > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html Or do you mean something else? > Oh, and I can scan that schematic if it's not in electronic form. > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Tim Vetter wrote: > > > > Magellan's travel catalog (1-800-962-4943), sells what they > > > call a "TeleFilter" for $49.50 that they claim eliminates > > > these signals. The catalog number is #ET009, and they say > > > that it is "strongly recommended in Austria, Germany, and > > > Switzerland." > > > > Yikes, $49.50 ... I *must* get into the hardware business. Made > > one of these things a few months ago out of four resistors and > > three capacitors, grand total cost about $2. If somebody wants > > the schematic, mail me and I'll try to dig it up. > > > > ****************************************************** > > Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) > > tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development > > Union Bank of Switzerland > > voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 > > snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland > > ****************************************************** > > > > > http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 11:57:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07142; Mon, 2 Oct 95 11:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20610; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:57:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:56:25 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20534; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:56:22 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA24446; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:01:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Subject: WWW project updates Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Okay, I've made a small change to my procmail filter to make my life a little easier. If you're sending mail to me with regards to the web page, please in your subject include one of the following lines: TPWWW-SUGGESTION for suggestions about layout, subjects, etc or TPWWW-SUBMISSION for content which includes images, text files, links (please include a 1 line description of what's interesting to us about that site) and vendor reccomendations. (please include contact information for vendor) This will automatically filter these messages into folders for me, making my life about 1,000,000 times easier. Submissions can be in MIME attachments w/o a problem, so if you have any graphics (please, < 50k each, .gif or .jpg) or other things you'd like to put in attachments, that's fine. UUENCODEing is also fine. Tim, thanks for the diagram and file - you get a gold star for prompt service. Sean, I no longer have a copy of the FAQ, so if you could send me the most recent version, that would be great. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:17:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08408; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:17:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22698; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:13:30 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22454; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:13:28 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA26052; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:18:38 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... > > You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html > > Or do you mean something else? Well, the tag I use is which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:18:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08421; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:18:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23138; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:17:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:40 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23057; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:39 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id MAA06352 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:17 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id MAA08185; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > > > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > > > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... > > > > You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html > > > > Or do you mean something else? > > Well, the tag I use is > which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it > to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. > > I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. Oh, that takes advantage of the "client-pull" feature of some browsers. It's basically same as "Refresh: 1; blah.html" http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:29:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09029; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:29:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24481; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:29:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:26:34 -0400 Received: from nynexst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24049; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:26:32 -0400 Received: from insight.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA15686; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:25:44 EDT Received: from localhost by insight.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18716; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:27:56 EDT Message-Id: <9510021627.AA18716@insight.nynexst.com> To: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Cc: sears@ecn.purdue.edu (Michael J Sears), tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup), ibm-tp500@virginia.edu (thinkpad 500 list group) Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:29:12 CDT." <9510021529.AA87064@muskie.uhc.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 12:27:55 -0400 From: Gen Cerf I had an extreme trackpoint drifting problem a couple of weeks ago. Mine started drifting totally out of control to the point where 9/10 times, I was getting an error on reboot which made the pad totally inoperable. When I sent the pad in for service, they replaced the trackpoint with a cat's paw one, sent an accompanying letter saying they had discovered a problem with the trackpoints, and since I was still under warranty, or the problem was theirs, I'm not sure which, I was not charged. If for any of you the problem won't go away or looks as if it's getting worse, I highly recommend scheduling the repair at a convenient time, rather than waiting until you have no choice! Gen ----------------------------------------------------- Genevieve Cerf Advanced Speech Systems NYNEX Science & Technology 500 Westchester Avenue White Plains, NY 10604 (914) 644-2407 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 12:47:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09707; Mon, 2 Oct 95 12:47:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25941; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:47:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:46:20 -0400 Received: from gibbs.oit.unc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25854; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:46:13 -0400 Received: from localhost by gibbs.oit.unc.edu (8.6.4.3/10.1) id MAA23317; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:45:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:45:46 -0400 From: Michael Wexler To: Roleigh Martin Cc: Michael J Sears , IBM 750 newsgroup , thinkpad 500 list group Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting In-Reply-To: <9510021529.AA87064@muskie.uhc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For all: The drifting has occurred with both my TP500 and my Desktop, using both namebrand and cheapie mice, but only under win95... I think win95 may be the problem. Its odd, watching the ghost cursor... Someone should post on the usenet groups to get verification, and then post a note to microsoft... Good luck... Michael --- Michael Wexler Wexler@gibbs.oit.unc.edu University of North Carolina -- Chapel Hill Grad life: It's the life for me! Dept of Psychology 919-962-7636 Ram Shop 919-962-2422 Home 919-932-5458 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 14:50:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17894; Mon, 2 Oct 95 14:50:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06920; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:49:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:32 -0400 Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06592; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:30 -0400 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144003>; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) From: Eugene Fiume To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: analog hookup through digital line Message-Id: <95Oct2.144608edt.144003@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:46:04 -0400 I'm doing some work at a place that only has digital phone lines available to offices. Is there a creative piece of magic that would allow me to connect my laptop to the phone line through, say, the headset of the telephone receiver? I know I can't connect the straight digital wire to my laptop, but the connector to the headset does snap into my RJ11 input. Unfortunately MWAVE doesn't "hear" a dial tone. I don't mind doing all the dialing manually, etc., but I really would like some telephony capability. Any ideas? Regards, Eugene Fiume From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 14:52:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18067; Mon, 2 Oct 95 14:52:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07294; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:52:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:51:29 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07150; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:51:25 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17948 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:07 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199510021851.LAA17948@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: HTML Redirect (was: Re: using German phone lines) At 12:18 PM 10/2/95 -0400, Don Whiteside wrote: >Well, the tag I use is >which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it >to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. > >I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. There's not, or not in html, the more universal command is handled by the server, someone already mentioned it (Location: blah). Just use the netscape client-pull you have above, with a link and short message for the non-netscape users.. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:11:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19924; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:11:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09048; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:47 -0400 Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08793; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199510021909.PAA08793@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from mba3.cba.uiuc.edu ([128.174.133.66]) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA249 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:08:51 -0500 X-Sender: schou@mba.cba.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Sean Chou Subject: Re: analog hookup through digital line At 02:46 PM 10/2/95 -0400, you wrote: >I'm doing some work at a place that only has digital phone lines >available to offices. Is there a creative piece of magic that would There are two products that I know of: 1) Konnex 109/111 (portable version) 2) Inside Line They are both available from PC/Mac Connection. The phone number is 800.800.1111. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu Illinois MBA Web Page From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:11:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19934; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:11:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09079; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:07 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08898; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:10:05 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA24891 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:57 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA05252; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > > Also, the pages may be located on another server in the future - anyone > > > > know the generic HTML redirection command? I know the Mosaic&Netscape > > > > one, but there's a pure HTML command.... > > > > > > You mean HTTP? ...it's Location: http://blah.blah.com/blahblah.html > > > > > > Or do you mean something else? > > > > Well, the tag I use is > > which is placed in the header and redirects the browsers that support it > > to go to your.htm, whcih can be on another machine. > > > > I wasn't sure if there was a more universal command or not, though. > > Oh, that takes advantage of the "client-pull" feature of some browsers. > It's basically same as "Refresh: 1; blah.html" Forgot to also mention ..... Using Refresh: is not a redirect ...it still loads the first whatever page and then sends the person to the "refresh" destination ..... Redirects ...like with Location: ...takes the person straight there without loading the originating page and works with any browser. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:20:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20743; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:20:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10127; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:18:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:18:04 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09960; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:18:02 -0400 Received: from mailhost.hooked.net (jesse@also.hooked.net [199.2.134.6]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA17952 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:51:09 -0700 Message-Id: <199510021851.LAA17952@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad Mailing List From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: TrackPoint II drifting At 12:45 PM 10/2/95 -0400, Michael Wexler wrote: >The drifting has occurred with both my TP500 and my Desktop, using both >namebrand and cheapie mice, but only under win95... If it happened with a mouse, then I think we can safely say that it's not "TrackPoint II" drifting, eh? :) There is a tpII specific drifting problem that someone was asking about, that doesn't occur in traditional "mouse" type controllers. >I think win95 may be the problem. Its odd, watching the ghost cursor... Almost sounds like what you have hold of is the "trails" feature :) You might try checking the controls for your mouse, to see if the trails option is checked, in the motion section. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 15:56:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23617; Mon, 2 Oct 95 15:56:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14473; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:55:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:53:10 -0400 Received: from pelican.cit.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14198; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:53:08 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by pelican.cit.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03chaos) id AA25203; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:51:04 -0400 Message-Id: <9510021951.AA25203@pelican.cit.cornell.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6 4/21/95 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: analog hookup through digital line In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:09:43 EDT." <199510021909.PAA08793@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:50:31 -0400 From: Bob Cowles > At 02:46 PM 10/2/95 -0400, you wrote: > > >I'm doing some work at a place that only has digital phone lines > >available to offices. Is there a creative piece of magic that would > > There are two products that I know of: > > 1) Konnex 109/111 (portable version) > > 2) Inside Line > > They are both available from PC/Mac Connection. The phone number > is 800.800.1111. > > --- > Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu > Illinois MBA Web Page > IBM Options reportedly has a Digital PHone System Enabler, PN 92G7519 for $105 ... I think the features sound pretty much like the Konnex box. Does the Konnex box require batteries or AC adapter? ----------------------- Bob Cowles (aka Dr. Chaos) || finger drchaos@pelican.cit.cornell.edu rdc1@cornell.edu || for contents of latest Chaos Corner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 16:18:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25030; Mon, 2 Oct 95 16:18:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17073; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:17:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:16:17 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16764; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:16:15 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA20143; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:20:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:20:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using German phone lines In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, aoster wrote: > Forgot to also mention ..... > > Using Refresh: is not a redirect ...it still loads the first whatever page > and then sends the person to the "refresh" destination ..... > > Redirects ...like with Location: ...takes the person straight there > without loading the originating page and works with any browser. Yah, knew that, failing to use proper terminology, thanks. My bad. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 20:38:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15265; Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:38:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10844; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:37:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:35:10 -0400 Received: from teal.csn.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10484; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:35:04 -0400 Received: (from vwayland@localhost) by teal.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA13329 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:35:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:35:01 -0600 From: "Vincent B. Wayland" Message-Id: <199510030035.SAA13329@teal.csn.net> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C I was there yesterday. They have 1 TP755C 4/300 onclearance for $3200. I don't know if it comes with a box, let alone a Targus type case. It looked like it had been a demonstrator. this is the store in Westminster by Sheridan & 90th. Don't have a phone no. Vince From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 21:08:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17559; Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:08:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13765; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:07:17 -0400 Received: from teal.csn.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13647; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:07:14 -0400 Received: (from vwayland@localhost) by teal.csn.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id TAA17395; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:07:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:07:07 -0600 From: "Vincent B. Wayland" Message-Id: <199510030107.TAA17395@teal.csn.net> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH Subject: Re: using German phone lines Please post to the group. Thanks Vince From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 21:34:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19622; Mon, 2 Oct 95 21:34:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16085; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:33:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:33:11 -0400 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16013; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:33:09 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA11569; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:16:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:16:03 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510030116.SAA11569@netcom15.netcom.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, vwayland@csn.net Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C A 755C on clearance for $3200 is not very interesting. Barnett Computers in NYC was selling new 755CE 8/540's on clearance for $2999. I don't know if they have any left though. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 22:05:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22110; Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:05:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19588; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:04:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:02:48 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19286; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:02:44 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA21816; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:58:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9510030158.AA21816@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 21:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510030116.SAA11569@netcom15.netcom.com> from "Paul Rubin" at Oct 2, 95 06:16:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > A 755C on clearance for $3200 is not very interesting. > Barnett Computers in NYC was selling new 755CE 8/540's > on clearance for $2999. I don't know if they have any left though. I'm not sure I'd trust Barnett's though; when I spoke with them once while inquiring about a machine they were very condescending to the point of being rude. I've exchanged email with a fellow who ordered a machine from them that was supposed to have a 2400bps PCMCIA modem thrown in; he never got it, and they've effectively told him to f*ck off. I've seen more than one report of bait-and-switch tactics used by Barnett's, including someone who saw a newspaper ad that was a great deal, went there that day and they were "out" and not issuing rainchecks. When he pressed the issue, they basically told him he'd have to be stupid to think he was going to get that machine for that price. Whether these reports are true or not, I can't say. Try posting to the newsgroup comp.sys.laptops and ask for people's impressions. I'm sure you'll hear more negative comments than positive; there are better places to spend your money. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 22:59:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25046; Mon, 2 Oct 95 22:59:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25606; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:58:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:57:51 -0400 Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25430; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 22:57:50 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id TAA20777; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:22:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:22:14 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510030222.TAA20777@netcom15.netcom.com> To: lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Barnett sounded pretty slimy when I talked to them on the phone. I don't think I'd buy anything from them by mail. But if I go there in person and check out the machine and make sure nothing is missing before buying, hopefully that covers most of the possibilities. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 2 23:07:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25620; Mon, 2 Oct 95 23:07:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26435; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:07:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:05:35 -0400 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26212; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:05:32 -0400 Received: from cessna.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0szxfZ-0001ZUC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:05 PDT Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA08578; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:07:17 +0800 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:07:17 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9510030307.AA08578@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribe X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Please delete my name from the mail group -- thank you very much. Len Jacobson From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 00:51:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04283; Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:51:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06266; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:50:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:47:17 -0400 Received: from mik.uky.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06054; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:47:14 -0400 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA28316; Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:47:10 -0400 From: rodney d slone Message-Id: <9510030447.AA28316@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA18554; Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:47:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Denver, Co Computer City TP755C To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 00:47:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Lew Jansen wrote: >> A 755C on clearance for $3200 is not very interesting. >> Barnett Computers in NYC was selling new 755CE 8/540's >> on clearance for $2999. I don't know if they have any left though. > I'm not sure I'd trust Barnett's though; when I spoke with them once while >inquiring about a machine they were very condescending to the point of being They treated me like I was a childish little boy that did not know much about computers. I am thouroughly convinced that I know loads more then he does and I wont waste our time going into any details. >rude. I've exchanged email with a fellow who ordered a machine from them that >was supposed to have a 2400bps PCMCIA modem thrown in; he never got it, and Are you talking about me? I ordered a TP 360CSE from them and they were to throw in a PCMCIA modem. I figured it would be at least a 9600bps, so I did not get the exact specs. He did not send a modem. So I gave him a call and some how convinced him that it was in his best interast to him to send me the modem. I still at this time thought I would get a decent modem, turned out that he sent a 2400bps. I never called him back and complained, it was my fault for being ignorant. However, he is not someone to deal with in my opinion. He told me in the beginning that I could have the machine for $2400. I agreed. He said that I could pay cod. He wanted my credit card number to verify something he said. I said no problem and gave it to him. He attempted to charge it to my credit card that day, twice he keyed in the numbers. He tried to key in OVER $2500 as well. I know this because the fraud division of the bank where my credit card was issued called and told me that I should not try to charge over my credit limit. I explained to them and they understood. So the next day he called me and told me nothing about the credit card but what he called about was that he would not ship the order until i faxed him a copy of a money order made out to him in the ammount of exactly $2500. He said the extra $100 was for shipping and handling. He was nuts. I was nuts too and agreed to pay $2450. So I got the money order and faxed him a copy to show he would get his money and he finally sent it. Then I had the modem trouble I mentioned. >they've effectively told him to f*ck off. I've seen more than one report of >bait-and-switch tactics used by Barnett's, including someone who saw a >newspaper ad that was a great deal, went there that day and they were "out" >and not issuing rainchecks. When he pressed the issue, they basically told >him he'd have to be stupid to think he was going to get that machine for that >price. > Whether these reports are true or not, I can't say. Try posting to the >newsgroup comp.sys.laptops and ask for people's impressions. I'm sure you'll >hear more negative comments than positive; there are better places to spend >your money. It is a good place to spend your money if you can force him to stick up to his word. The best thing to do is to tape your conversation with him. Watch out though, he will ruin you if he can. It is possible that the only reason that he finally ALMOST satisfied me was that the credit card bank could have come down on him and he got scared. -- Rodney Daryl Slone | "Grounds are pretty common." - me Electrical Engineering Senior | Nail here [] for a new monitor. University of Kentucky / 94.3% of all statistics are 87% worthless. e-mail: rdslon01@mik.uky.edu | Xerox never comes up with anything original. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 06:29:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24205; Tue, 3 Oct 95 06:29:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08374; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:28:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:24:18 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08027; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:24:10 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id LAA17410; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:23:46 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA00743; Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:21:51 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA09572; Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:22:44 +0100 Message-Id: <9510031022.AA09572@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA09141; Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:22:43 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 11:22:42 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Filter for European telephone toll pulses Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH Problem: Some European phonelines, particularly in the German-speaking countries, send "toll pulses" intended to trigger increments of a billing counter found on some telephone sets. Unfortunately, these pulses consist of high-power (~10V RMS), high-frequency (~14kHz) tones that tend to cause dropped connections with modems that don't have the appropriate filtering on the front end (ie most modems sold in North America). Solution: Attach a lowpass filter between the modem and the telephone circuit. Below is a schematic for a simple low-pass filter using about $2 worth of parts that should do the trick. Caveats: 1. It is illegal to connect unapproved electronics to most European phone lines. Potential fines range up to over $5,000 in some jurisdictions, although enforcement is thin. 2. I offer no guarantee of the fitness of this design, although it has worked well with my GVC 14.4 PCMCIA in both Germany and Switzerland. Use it at your own risk. 3. I have noticed slight degradation of voice quality with this filter on some lines, although this is to be expected in such a simple passive design. 4. Newer classes of DSP modems (like the MWave) may have the necessary filtering built into their firmware for country-specific operation, although I have not been able to confirm this. 100 Ohm 100 Ohm ____ ____ La -------+---|____|----+----|____|---+------ a2 | | | | | | | 100nF | 220nF | 100nF ===== ===== ===== | | | | | | +-------------O-------------+ | | | | - | | | | | |47 Ohm | | | | - | | | | | Lb -------+-------------+-------------------- b2 o means no physical connection, a cross over + means physical connection La/Lb in-circuit, from line a2/b2 out-circuit, to telephone/modem Mounting ideas: I soldered the parts onto a small (1cm x 2cm) bit of perf-board and mounted the whole thing inside a normal modular phone jack box (like the kind you have on your wall), with two simple leads on the output side for attaching to a local-style phone plug or direct into the terminal box. Serious road warriors could probably squeeze the thing into an even smaller housing, say putting it inline in a modular male-female adaptor that they would want to carry anyway. ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 08:19:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00119; Tue, 3 Oct 95 08:19:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14123; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:19:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:17:01 -0400 Received: from dorite1.iquest.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13637; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:16:59 -0400 Received: from ts01-ind-2.iquest.net by dorite1.iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #16) id m0t06H5-00033vC; Tue, 3 Oct 95 07:16 EST Received: by ts01-ind-2.iquest.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9160.0F7DCAA0@ts01-ind-2.iquest.net>; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:15:46 -0500 Message-Id: <01BA9160.0F7DCAA0@ts01-ind-2.iquest.net> From: "Michael P. Mahoney" To: "'Thinkpad Group'" Subject: Introduction Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:15:36 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My name is Mike Mahoney and I'm in Indpls, In. I have a 755CX 16mg of Ram, SVGA monitor and a 540HD using windows 95. I have the doc coming with another hard drive and a CD player. I am converting from a Powerbook 280C, and so far I love the machine. Thanks Mike Mahoney From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 09:34:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07510; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:34:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21550; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:34:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:31:42 -0400 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21213; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:31:40 -0400 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 88; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:30:43 EST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:30:43 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <009974FB.600DF894.88@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Introduction . . . Greetings all; I always get a little uncomfortable with this, but it seems to be the custom on this list, so here goes: My name is Dennis Gormley. I work in Philadelphia for the Health Sciences Libraries Consortium (HSLC). We are an internet provider, mainly to the library community in Philadelphia. Over the summer, we decided to outfit our training lab with ThinkPads, as we also do a fair amount of on-site training. We settled on the TP755CE. They have 8MB RAM and 340MB hard drives (at least, I thought they were 340MB; after last week's discussion, I'll have to get out my slide rule and look again!) The major applications for most of them is ProComm Plus for Windows 2.1, Trumpet Winsock 2.04b, and NetScape in various versions. One has Windows 94 loaded - for that, we used the MicroSoft Dialup networking instead of Trumpet Winsock. We hope to have Win'95 loaded on all of them, mainly as a matter of support for our users; we've already had plenty of calls about Win'95 from our users. We've downloaded the MWave 2.0 drivers from Compuserve and loaded them on the TP that has Win'95 loaded. There seems to be no problems with modem operations, although the sound still sounds like it's being run through a distortion device. In my spare(?) time, I perform folk and traditional Irish music several times a month. I also avidly follow the Philadelphia Eagles in their fight to maintain mediocrity. Thanks! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 (my work .sig) Dennis Gormley #### GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG (-O-O-) Ashland, NJ, USA ( ======)===@=====@=== ####### // // -------// // "On the Internet, nobody gets the last word!" ___________ // ------------/ (My personal .sig) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 09:36:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07825; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:36:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21756; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:36:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:35:39 -0400 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21645; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:35:33 -0400 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 140; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:34:54 EST Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:34:54 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <009974FB.F5CD5208.140@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Updates for IBMAV for TP755CE Is there a place to get periodic updates for IBMAV? One of our TP755s was infected this week; I ran IBMAV, both from windows and from DOS, with marginal results. Files were displayed as being suspect, with no indication as to how to disinfect them, other than a suggestion to delete them. I had to download McAfee ViruScan to find out they were infected by the JUNKIE virus, and to get the disk disinfected. However, I already have a license for IBMAV; I'm loath to commit funds to duplicate the functions of software we alreay hold license for. Thanks for considering this matter! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 09:57:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08569; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:57:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23969; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:56:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:56:00 -0400 Received: from hpserv0.cs.uit.no by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23809; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:55:56 -0400 Received: from haralds.cs.uit.no by hpserv0.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/Task/HJ-5) id AA015708551; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:55:52 +0100 Received: by haralds.cs.uit.no (1.37.109.16/HJ/Task-5) id AA210688550; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:55:50 +0100 From: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) Message-Id: <199510031355.AA210688550@haralds.cs.uit.no> Subject: Win95 on IBM TP720C To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:55:50 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23GIJ-4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi. Does anybody know if Win95 will run on a TP720C ? -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 13:17:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21386; Tue, 3 Oct 95 13:17:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15413; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:09:27 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14790; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:09:25 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA32569; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:05:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9510031705.AA32569@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Can someone else check this out before I spend the time calling IBM about it? I have Win95 and the MWave 2.0 drivers on my Thinkpad 755cx. I have sounds associated with a couple system events, one of which is emptying the recycle bin. (see ftp://www.process.com/ftp/pub/win95/toilet.zip) If I empty the recycle bin *while* connected over the MWave modem the desktop crashes (and comes back). This isn't a fatal problem, but is a bit of an annoyance. Most everything works fine otherwise. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 14:11:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25095; Tue, 3 Oct 95 14:11:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19707; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:10:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:09:13 -0400 Received: from houws001.shl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19504; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:09:12 -0400 Received: from houmg001.shl.com by houws001.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.8) id AA17410; Tue, 3 Oct 95 13:13:04 CDT Received: by houmg001.shl.com with Microsoft Mail id <30719937@houmg001.shl.com>; Tue, 03 Oct 95 13:12:39 PDT From: NELSON Tim To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Win95 on IBM TP720C Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 10:48:00 PDT Message-Id: <30719937@houmg001.shl.com> Encoding: 40 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I installed Win95 on a TP720C as a test, since we have lots of 750s and a couple of 720s. yes, Win95 works on the TP720C, but you end up using lots of 16 bit drivers. The PCMCIA on a 720 is by Stingray, and is not supported by Win-95, so you must continue to use the 16 bit drivers you are using right now. Microsoft's Knowledge Base has a report on this for more detail. You need to keep the VESA.SYS driver in your CONFIG.SYS to get 256 colors. This is the same issue as older 750s. I removed it and could only get 16 color VGA. For some reason win-95 is using a 16 bit driver (in MS-DOS compatability mode) for my disk access as well. I have no explaination. -------------------- Tim Nelson Chief Scientist, R&D SHL Systemhouse tnelson@shl.com --------------------- ---------- From: owner-tp750[SMTP:owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 1995 2:55 PM To: tp750 Subject: Win95 on IBM TP720C Hi. Does anybody know if Win95 will run on a TP720C ? -- //// Harald Skotnes // Email: harald@staff.cs.uit.no / /// Dept. of Computer Science // Phone: +47 77 64 41 16 // // University of Tromsoe // Fax: +47 77 64 40 54 /// / N-9037 TROMSOE NORWAY // Like it or not, it's One World //// From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 20:05:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22142; Tue, 3 Oct 95 20:05:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11674; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:01:49 -0400 Received: from maple.enet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11360; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:01:47 -0400 Received: from .qrz.com (slip1.qrz.com [199.245.125.40]) by maple.enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA07177 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:02:12 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 16:59:22 PDT From: steve gross Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. 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Gross Pilot B737 America West Airlines From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 21:01:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25292; Tue, 3 Oct 95 21:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15258; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:58:55 -0400 Received: from dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15048; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:58:49 -0400 Received: from [144.118.247.228] (newtower1-027.resnet.drexel.edu [144.118.247.228]) by dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA17360 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:57:07 -0400 X-Sender: st94m8dn@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:18:26 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: st94m8dn@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu (Mark Bell) Subject: unsubscribe Mark Bell * 800 College Drive #104 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 * 6093274029 * From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 3 22:36:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03495; Tue, 3 Oct 95 22:36:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21689; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:35:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:33:32 -0400 Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21524; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:33:30 -0400 From: Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA06377 for ; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:33:29 -0500 Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 3 Oct 95 21:33 CDT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 21:32:29 -0600 Subject: Unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.14 Please unsubscribe me from the thinkpad mailing list. John From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 10:48:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19400; Wed, 4 Oct 95 10:48:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03034; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:47:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:34 -0400 Received: from bonjour.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02444; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:26 -0400 Received: by bonjour.cc.columbia.edu id AA27823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: Panasonic PowerDrive2 LF-1000 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've seen an ad recently about this Optical Disk / CD Drive, for $899. Does anyone have one of these things up and running? I have a few questions before blowing the month's budget :) For example, 1) does it have appropriate drivers for Win3.1, OS/2, Win95? 2) can it read 3.5" 128MB optical disks, such as those used on PLI's Infinity Optical drives? Also, what's the best "value-for-money" SCSI PCMCIA card out there? Thanks for your comments, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 11:04:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20199; Wed, 4 Oct 95 11:04:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04964; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:40 -0400 Received: from mba.cba.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04897; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199510041503.LAA04897@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from mba3.cba.uiuc.edu ([128.174.133.66]) by mba.cba.uiuc.edu (post.office MTA v1.7.1.1 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA421 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:03:06 -0500 X-Sender: schou@mba.cba.uiuc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Sean Chou Subject: Re: analog hookup through digital line At 03:50 PM 10/2/95 -0400, you wrote: >... I think the features sound pretty much like the Konnex box. Does the >Konnex box require batteries or AC adapter? The Konnex has a portable version which does require batteries. But it also has a desktop version which I presume uses an AC adapter. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu Illinois MBA Web Page From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 16:43:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15865; Wed, 4 Oct 95 16:43:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14021; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:41:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:34:05 -0400 Received: from fw1.cummins.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12917; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:34:00 -0400 Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id QAA27344; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 16:29:59 -0400 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma027339; Wed, 4 Oct 95 16:29:48 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA20116; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:32:13 -0500 Message-Id: <9510042032.AA20116@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from borg.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA01336; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:10:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 15:10:33 -0500 From: "Julie A. Strietelmeier" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: subscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 17:34:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20779; Wed, 4 Oct 95 17:34:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21036; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:34:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:32:13 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20683; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:32:10 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id OAA12742; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:31:58 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9266.7B474DE0@leejim.peak.org>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:34:15 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA9266.7B474DE0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Lew Jansen'" Cc: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:27:57 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lew, I also have a 755CX/Mwave2/Win95 and have not experienced the problem = you describe. The sound I have associated with the Recycle Bin comes = >from one of the themes in the Microsoft Plus Pack, rather than the = toilet.zip package. Also, I have 24MB RAM if that makes a difference. = I *have* noticed that with Mwave 2.0 (as opposed to 1.10), Win95 = SLIP/PPP connections do not terminate correctly - when I push the = Disconnect button, several tasks that show up in the task list stop = responding, including the Mwave Discriminator. I end up having to shut = down and reboot to get a stable system again. This was never a problem = with Mwave 1.10 and I haven't changed any other system configuration = items since. While I'm thinking about SLIP/PPP, does anyone on the list = besides me use both? I have two service providers, one supports only = PPP, the other only CSLIP. In order to switch back and forth between = them, I've been going through the Internet Setup Wizard, which requires = me to set up all my IP info *every* time I run it. Is there a way to = save a snapshot of a Dial-up Networking configuration and later restore = it without having to type in all the information? =20 ---------- From: Lew Jansen[SMTP:lrj@hepth.cornell.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 1995 6:05 AM To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? Can someone else check this out before I spend the time calling IBM = about it? I have Win95 and the MWave 2.0 drivers on my Thinkpad 755cx. I have = sounds associated with a couple system events, one of which is emptying the = recycle bin. (see ftp://www.process.com/ftp/pub/win95/toilet.zip) If I empty the recycle bin *while* connected over the MWave modem the desktop crashes (and comes back). This isn't a fatal problem, but is a = bit of an annoyance. Most everything works fine otherwise. --=20 Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics = Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY = 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 18:45:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25740; Wed, 4 Oct 95 18:45:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28402; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:45:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:42:54 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28233; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:42:51 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA05773; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9510042238.AA05773@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? To: leejim@peak.org (Jim Lee) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BA9266.7B474DE0@leejim.peak.org> from "Jim Lee" at Oct 3, 95 11:27:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Gary Hong wrote: > Also, I have 24MB RAM if that makes a difference. Same here, so it's not a RAM problem then. > I *have* noticed that with Mwave 2.0 (as opposed to 1.10) > SLIP/PPP connections do not terminate correctly Interesting -- my disconnect works fine, so long as no sounds are done during the connect. Maybe sometime I'll give IBM a call about it; I don't use it enough right now for it to really matter much. > In order to switch back and forth between [PPP and cSLIP], > I've been going through the Internet Setup Wizard, which requires > me to set up all my IP info *every* time I run it. Is there a way to > save a snapshot of a Dial-up Networking configuration and later restore > it without having to type in all the information? Have you tried making two connections in ControlPanel->DialupNetworking? It looks like you can set up one for your PPP provider, and then set up the other for your cSLIP provider. Change the ServerType under each "connection"'s Properties button. I just use one provider, so I don't know for sure if this will actually work. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 20:14:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04118; Wed, 4 Oct 95 20:14:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03551; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:13:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:11:12 -0400 Received: from fw1.cummins.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03081; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:11:10 -0400 Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id UAA29391; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:07:01 -0400 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma029386; Wed, 4 Oct 95 20:06:37 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA22827; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 19:07:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9510050007.AA22827@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from borg.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA03012; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:53:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:53:22 -0500 From: "Julie A. Strietelmeier" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Thinkpads Is this list also for model 701 Think Pads? If not, is there such a list or FAQ? ______________________________________________________________________________ Julie Strietelmeier The Fret Board BBS julie@cel.cummins.com (812)342-6564 Columbus, IN A Guitar / Music BBS ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 20:52:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07915; Wed, 4 Oct 95 20:52:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07392; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:52:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:35 -0400 Received: from globalvision.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07122; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:32 -0400 Received: by globalvision.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17814; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:40:18 +0500 Message-Id: <9510050040.AA17814@ globalvision.net> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.00) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:50:06 EST Reply-To: jloyless@globalvision.net Subject: TP760 Drives I just saw a note on the CompuServe ThinkPad forum that indicated the drives for the new TP were different from the ones used in the TP75x series and that the TP75x ones wouldn't work in the TP760. Has anyone else heard anything like this? Jane From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 23:16:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15959; Wed, 4 Oct 95 23:16:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20616; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:16:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:13:28 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20234; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:13:24 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id UAA19193; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:13:13 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9296.28A71C20@leejim.peak.org>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:15:33 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA9296.28A71C20@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Lew Jansen'" Cc: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:13:25 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yup, I tried setting up two connections in the Dial-Up Networking = folder. That certainly seems to be the intuitive way to do it. = However, you can play with the server type setting all you want there, = but Win95 reverts back to the settings used the last time you ran = Internet Setup Wizard. That's brain dead. The 'Add New Connection' = feature in Dial-Up Networking is useless unless you have one and only = one connection. Anyway, we're getting a bit off topic for this list, so = I'll grumble and groan to myself for awhile until I figure it out - I = refuse to call Microsoft and their 900-numbers for support... ---------- From: Lew Jansen[SMTP:lrj@hepth.cornell.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 1995 11:39 AM To: Jim Lee Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Possible bug with Win95 and MWave 2.0? [stuff deleted] > In order to switch back and forth between [PPP and cSLIP], > I've been going through the Internet Setup Wizard, which requires > me to set up all my IP info *every* time I run it. Is there a way to > save a snapshot of a Dial-up Networking configuration and later = restore > it without having to type in all the information? Have you tried making two connections in = ControlPanel->DialupNetworking? It looks like you can set up one for your PPP provider, and then set up the = other for your cSLIP provider. Change the ServerType under each = "connection"'s Properties button. I just use one provider, so I don't know for sure if = this will actually work. --=20 Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics = Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY = 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 4 23:32:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17485; Wed, 4 Oct 95 23:32:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22225; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:32:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:31:52 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22131; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 23:31:50 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id UAA20827 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:31:44 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9298.959898C0@leejim.peak.org>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:32:54 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA9298.959898C0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: Want a TP701? Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:25:58 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, At the moment I have two TP701's (aka butterfly). I'm willing to part = with one of them in trade for a digital camera and/or 35mm camera = equipment and/or darkroom equipment and/or scanning equipment (that's a = lot of and/or's :). As you probably guessed, I'm getting into digital = photography, and I've already spent my budget (and then some) on = Thinkpads. So, I'm willing to give up one of them - both are about 3 = months old with 540MB HD. One is active matrix, the other passive. One = has 8MB RAM, the other 24MB. Lots of accessories available, too. If = you're interested, please reply privately via email so we don't clutter = the list. Thanks... leejim@peak.org (Jim Lee) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 02:05:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27973; Thu, 5 Oct 95 02:05:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02906; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:04:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:02:55 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02670; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:02:51 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id CAA26490; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:02:40 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: TP760 Drives Date: 5 Oct 1995 06:02:40 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <44vse0$ppk@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) I am also a CIS Thinkpad forum frequent visitor. I ordered a 760CD, got the part #s. The HDDs are different. Actually, I don't think ANYthing is the same, ie battery, CD-ROM, HDD etc. So don't stock up any 75x series stuff for the 760. I don't think they fit. Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 08:49:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22909; Thu, 5 Oct 95 08:49:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14161; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:49:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:45:56 -0400 Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13994; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:45:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199510051245.IAA13994@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: IDE connectors? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randall King" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Someone had mentioned a week or so ago that some company sells connectors that allow you to use a laptop drive in your desktop machine. Does anyone have a company name/part number for this? I have an extra drive that I could use, and this sounds great! Even a company name (or URL) will do for a start. Thanks in advance... Randall From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 10:09:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27954; Thu, 5 Oct 95 10:09:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22656; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:09:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:07:34 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22542; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:07:32 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7326; Thu, 05 Oct 95 10:01:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9510051701.AA7326@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 1102F4525CBCFC778525624C004C9FEA; Thu, 5 Oct 95 10:01:47 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 5 Oct 95 10:02:29 EDT Subject: mwave 2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain i just upgraded a 755cd to v.2.0 of mwave. upgraded dos, upgraded windows, set com2 to 57600, in that order. aol only gets 21600, but that could be the line. lotus notes and the chameleon dialer only get 19200 and 14400, respectively. notes & chameleon are using generic hayes-compatable init strings which worked fine at 14400. is there an updated modem string for the 28800 mwave? thanks in advance. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 12:16:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08931; Thu, 5 Oct 95 12:16:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07589; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:15:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:11:03 -0400 Received: from inibara.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07124; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:10:58 -0400 Received: by inibara.cc.columbia.edu id AA14777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:10:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:10:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@inibara.cc.columbia.edu To: Roleigh Martin Cc: TP list Subject: Re: Panasonic PowerDrive2 LF-1000 In-Reply-To: <9510041445.AA13545@muskie.uhc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Roleigh Martin wrote: > Where did you see this ad? Is it considered a recording CD ROM? NY Times, a couple of days ago. And I was trying to find out whether people out here had any experience with it. Considering that it is a 4X CD-ROM drive AND an optical drive all in one (according to the specs on the ad, the rewritable optical disk has a 650MB capacity), I think the price is not that expensive... Well, sort of, but convenience also has a price, right? My main question is whether it could perhaps read the optical disks that we're now using in the lab (I doubt it, but one can always dream); there shouldn't be too much problem with drivers... For those of us still without a CD-ROM and a good backup system at home, this seemed like the perfect alternative... I tried to call the company (RCsometing, 212-949-6935 - no 800 number that I know of), but the call got misdirected and I haven't had the time to try again. Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 15:52:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23625; Thu, 5 Oct 95 15:52:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27061; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:51:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:48:36 -0400 Received: from onyx.interactive.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26374; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:48:28 -0400 Received: from amethyst.interactive.net (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA22819; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:50:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:50:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199510051950.PAA22819@onyx.interactive.net> X-Sender: daver@interactive.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: harald@staff.cs.uit.no (Harald Skotnes) From: "David W. Young" Subject: Re: Win95 on IBM TP720C Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 02:55 PM 10/3/95 +0100, you wrote: >Does anybody know if Win95 will run on a TP720C ? Yeah, it runs. I run 95 on a TP720C with 16M RAM, but it has definite problems. There aren't any 32-bit video drivers (so you have to use the Win3.1 versions with the DOS TSR), and the PCMCIA socket set isn't supported, so you need to use the DOS mode drivers. Other than that, things seem to work. Dave -- David W. Young, Internet Systems Consultant Tel: 201-798-5217 Pager: 917-313-9319 Internet: dwy@ACE.NET From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 17:02:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29688; Thu, 5 Oct 95 17:02:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06524; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:01:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:57:59 -0400 Received: from alpha1.tesent.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05762; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:57:57 -0400 Received: from notesrv1.tesent.com by alpha1.tesent.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Sep95-0149PM) id AA12845; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 16:58:19 -0400 Received: by notesrv1 (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA1055; Thu, 05 Oct 95 16:57:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9510052057.AA1055@notesrv1> Received: from Tessera with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 249057BD2DBF664E8525624C00727B98; Thu, 5 Oct 95 16:57:50 To: dwy Cc: tp750 From: Paul Ferguson/Tessera Date: 5 Oct 95 16:52:42 Subject: Re: Win95 on IBM TP720C Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain We are running Win95 on about a dozen 701CS's and had many bizarre problems until we got the BIOS upgrades off of IBM's web server. The last upgrade we pulled down had a date stamp of 9-15-95 so it looks like it is a work in progress. The BIOS upgrade worked wonders in terms of addressing some mighty strange behavior we had been seeing though... pkf From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 5 17:08:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29923; Thu, 5 Oct 95 17:08:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07235; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:07:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:07:04 -0400 Received: from david.albany.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07101; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:07:00 -0400 From: Received: from cnsvax.albany.edu by cnsvax.albany.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <01HW372Z4BV48Y5SGB@cnsvax.albany.edu> for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 17:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Win95 in a TP 355 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HW372Z6I1E8Y5SGB@cnsvax.albany.edu> X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Has anyone installed Win95 in a TP 355? Are there any problems? Thanks! jbela@cnsvax.albany.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 6 13:45:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24306; Fri, 6 Oct 95 13:45:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29805; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:44:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:15 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29248; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:13 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA10641; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:06 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: 760 is finally here! Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:37:06 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <453pg2$acf@cocoa.brown.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) People, take a look at IBM's new Thinpad 760. Quite a machine. It's under IBM's homepage. WSL From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 11:41:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17567; Sat, 7 Oct 95 11:41:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22407; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:41:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:34:53 -0400 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21781; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:34:50 -0400 Received: from englf (ts900-2025.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.109]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA14968 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:34:39 +0800 Message-Id: <199510071534.XAA14968@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:39:11 EDT From: englf@singnet.com.sg (Felix Eng) Reply-To: englf@singnet.com.sg (Felix Eng) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: 's PMMail v1.1 Subject: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad hello all, does anyone have any success with 3c589 and a think pad ? My customer has a thinkpad but it is not recognised under Warp Connect. He has tried the 3Com ftp site without success. Any hints or tips will be appreciated. felix eng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 13:24:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23204; Sat, 7 Oct 95 13:24:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28481; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:24:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:22:47 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28351; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:22:45 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09910; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:22:38 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad Date: 7 Oct 1995 17:22:37 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <456d0t$9l1@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) I think the problem is with OS/2 I have my 3c589 running fine in my TP... Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 13:42:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23626; Sat, 7 Oct 95 13:42:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29394; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:42:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:40:55 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29320; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:40:53 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA12586; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:46:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Subject: Re: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad In-Reply-To: <456d0t$9l1@cocoa.brown.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 7 Oct 1995, Wai-Shan Lam wrote: > I think the problem is with OS/2 I have my 3c589 running fine > in my TP... Ditto, under DOS/Windows with the EZPLAY stuff loaded. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 14:34:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27073; Sat, 7 Oct 95 14:34:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02467; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:32:48 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02303; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 14:32:44 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id LAA21343 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:32:32 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA94A8.EE756EC0@leejim.peak.org>; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:34:58 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA94A8.EE756EC0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "TP750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 11:33:02 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Felix Eng[SMTP:englf@singnet.com.sg] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 1995 8:39 PM To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad hello all, does anyone have any success with 3c589 and a think pad ? My customer has a thinkpad but it is not recognised under Warp Connect. He has tried the 3Com ftp site without success. Any hints or tips will be appreciated. felix eng I use the 3c589 with no problems under both Linux and Win95. Haven't had OS/2 loaded in months, though... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 15:13:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28984; Sat, 7 Oct 95 15:13:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05822; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:13:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:12:34 -0400 Received: from chsun.eunet.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05752; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:12:31 -0400 Received: from ubszh.UUCP by chsun.eunet.ch (8.6.10/1.34) id UAA01441; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 20:12:15 +0100 Received: from stm537.ubszh.net.ch by ubszh.net.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1-DNI-7.0.1) id AA00758; Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:09:46 +0100 Received: from stm555 by stm537.ubszh.net.ch (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA22819; Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:10:41 +0100 Message-Id: <9510071910.AA22819@stm537.ubszh.net.ch> Received: by stm555 (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA16973; Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:10:40 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Tim Vetter Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 20:10:39 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question to 3COM 3c589 owners Reply-To: vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.CH References: <199510071534.XAA14968@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Sorry, this is not a ThinkPad question, but there seem to be a lot of you with these cards out there ... apologies to anyone on the list who's thin-skinned about bandwidth. I recently took delivery of a 3COM combo card, and was initially pleased to find they'd redesigned the card/cable attachment since I got my first card over a year ago. The new design has clips on the side of the connector (sort of like you have on SCSI plugs), whereas the old one was just held in by friction. The problem with the original design was the plug would pull out if you snagged the ethernet cable, which I managed to do all the time. In that respect the newer design is an obvious improvement (you *can't* pull the plug accidentally), but I find that the connection is extremely flaky. So much so that I can't work with the TP on my lap anymore, because small tensions on the ethernet cable cause intermittent breaks in the connection, and sometimes even *reboots* (Win95 on a TP750 mono). Do I have a lame card, or is anyone else with the newer clip-style connector experiencing the same? (ie, maybe it's a design problem). Any war stories on returning defective merchandise to 3COM? ****************************************************** Tim Vetter vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch (MIME, NEXTMAIL) tim.vetter@ubs.com (ASCII, alternate) ------------------------------------------------------ Forex & Fixed Income Trading Development Union Bank of Switzerland voice: (+41) 1/2358422 fax: (+41) 1/2355129 snail: LEIT/LITH-VFR Postfach 8021 Zurich, Switzerland ****************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 15:46:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00184; Sat, 7 Oct 95 15:46:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08396; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:45:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:44:03 -0400 Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08112; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:44:00 -0400 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA21783; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:42:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:42:52 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510071942.MAA21783@netcom4.netcom.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: DIY disk upgrades for 760? I confirmed with IBM Direct that the hard disk cartridges for the 760 are incompatible with the 755 :-(. It's probably too early for anyone to know if it's possible to replace the drive inside the 760 cartridge the way it's possible with the 755 (I mean using an OEM drive), but this seems like a question worth keeping in mind, and if anyone does find out the answer please notify the list. PS, some pricing info: before the announcement, some mail order place (I forget which) was quoting the following for Oct. delivery: Model TFT size disk price $ 760C 12.1" 720MB 6329 760C 10.4" 720 5649 760CD 12.1" 1.2GB 7719 Yesterday, IBM Direct quoted me the following: 760C 12.1" 720 6049 760CD 12.1" 1.2G 7449 760C 10.4" 720 not available yet The similar price ratios for the 12.1" models suggests that the 10.4" 760C will be around $5427 from IBM Direct (found using the ratios for the sums of prices of the other 2 models). Since mail order discount tends to beat IBM Direct by 5% or so, this suggests a street price of around $5156 for 760 8/720 with 10.4" svga, compared to the current price of around $5K for a 755CX/810 with a similar screen. This is quite attractive since the 760 sounds like a nicer machine all around. The one scary thing is the prospect of getting clobbered for disk and memory upgrades (the latter at least til an aftermarket develops). From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 15:51:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00217; Sat, 7 Oct 95 15:51:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08979; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:50:39 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08860; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 15:50:37 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id MAA26015 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:50:31 -0700 Received: by leejim.peak.org with Microsoft Mail id <01BA94B3.D1FBB1E0@leejim.peak.org>; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:52:54 -0700 Message-Id: <01BA94B3.D1FBB1E0@leejim.peak.org> From: Jim Lee To: "'Thinkpad Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Question to 3COM 3c589 owners Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 12:51:14 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Tim Vetter[SMTP:vfr@stm537.ubszh.net.ch] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 1995 12:10 PM To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question to 3COM 3c589 owners >Sorry, this is not a ThinkPad question, but there seem to be a lot =20 >of you with these cards out there ... apologies to anyone on the =20 >list who's thin-skinned about bandwidth. > >I recently took delivery of a 3COM combo card, and was initially =20 >pleased to find they'd redesigned the card/cable attachment since I =20 >got my first card over a year ago. The new design has clips on the =20 >side of the connector (sort of like you have on SCSI plugs), whereas =20 >the old one was just held in by friction. The problem with the =20 >original design was the plug would pull out if you snagged the =20 >ethernet cable, which I managed to do all the time. > >In that respect the newer design is an obvious improvement (you =20 >*can't* pull the plug accidentally), but I find that the connection =20 >is extremely flaky. So much so that I can't work with the TP on my =20 >lap anymore, because small tensions on the ethernet cable cause =20 >intermittent breaks in the connection, and sometimes even *reboots* =20 >(Win95 on a TP750 mono). > >Do I have a lame card, or is anyone else with the newer clip-style =20 >connector experiencing the same? (ie, maybe it's a design problem). =20 >Any war stories on returning defective merchandise to 3COM? Sounds like a defective card. Perhaps flexing the cable also flexes the = PC board inside the card causing it to short against the case. Or = pehaps they didn't trim the leads on the connector flush enough so that = they short when the cable is flexed. I have one of the new connectors = with the ears and have not experienced a single bit of flakiness - I = snag the cable with my foot all the time...---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 18:54:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14070; Sat, 7 Oct 95 18:54:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24162; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:51:39 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24061; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:51:37 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA20041; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:47:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9510072247.AA20041@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 18:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 7, 95 01:46:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Don Whiteside wrote: > On 7 Oct 1995, Wai-Shan Lam wrote: > > > I think the problem is with OS/2 I have my 3c589 running fine > > in my TP... > > Ditto, under DOS/Windows with the EZPLAY stuff loaded. And Ditto for Win95. Works like a charm. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 19:55:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18190; Sat, 7 Oct 95 19:55:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26488; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:55:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:53:27 -0400 Received: from maple.enet.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26408; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 19:53:25 -0400 Received: from .qrz.com (slip1.qrz.com [199.245.125.40]) by maple.enet.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA27091; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 16:53:53 -0700 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 95 16:50:14 PDT From: steve gross Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please unsubscribe me from the mailing list. I think you are sending me mail at sgross@libre.com and it is being forwarded to me at sgross@enet.net so please remove me from the list. thanks -steve Stephen C. Gross Pilot B737 America West Airlines From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 7 23:34:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00239; Sat, 7 Oct 95 23:34:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13645; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:32:04 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13570; Sat, 7 Oct 1995 23:32:02 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00193; Sat, 7 Oct 95 23:31:36 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0060; Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:31:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:31:09 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510080331.AA0060@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: englf@singnet.com.sg Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 07 Oct 95 23:39:11 EDT from englf@singnet.com.sg (Felix Eng) Subject: PCMCIA 3c589 card on a think pad does anyone have any success with 3c589 and a think pad ? My customer has a thinkpad but it is not recognised under Warp Connect. He has tried the 3Com ftp site without success. For some reason the current drivers for this card are stored in a strange place: ftp://ftp.3com.com/pub/adapters/patches_fixes/3c589n.exe Use this file to create the adapter diskette. When you install Connect, tell it you have such a diskette, and when it asks for the location, tell it to use "a:\ndis\os2\". This can be done after the fact if Connect is already installed, but I don't remember exactly how -- see the on-line documentation. I don't know why Connect doesn't contain this driver. It seems pretty silly as the 3c589 is a very popular card and works well in all of the operating systems I've tried. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 06:43:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24841; Mon, 9 Oct 95 06:43:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03906; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:41:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:28:33 -0400 Received: from ns.dknet.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02981; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 06:27:46 -0400 Received: from xanadu.centrum.dk by ns.dknet.dk with SMTP id AA11786 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4j for ); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:22:43 +0100 Received: from technician by xanadu.centrum.dk (8.6.11/ISnet/11-02-92); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:22:07 GMT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 11:22:07 GMT Message-Id: <199510091122.LAA20661@xanadu.centrum.dk> X-Sender: suresh.tp.x50@centrum.dk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: suresh.tp.x50@centrum.dk (Suresh R. Karnikar) X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 subscribe end From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 09:43:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05183; Mon, 9 Oct 95 09:43:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05383; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:43:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:31:18 -0400 Received: from vmgate by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03118; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:30:01 -0400 Received: from smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk by vmgate (5.0/25-eef) id AA26272; Mon, 9 Oct 95 14:25:32 BST Received: by smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <30793204@smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk>; Mon, 09 Oct 95 14:30:28 GMT From: "D. Gwyn Jones" To: tp750 Subject: Installing Warp and NT Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 14:28:00 GMT Message-Id: <30793204@smtpgw.mfltd.co.uk> Encoding: 21 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 We're trying install Warp and NT on a 755CD with 810MB HD and we have a number of problems. 1) Warp Connect's dual boot installation fails due to fdisk failure, but we have managed to get this working previously, so something has broken. Is there any way of low-level formatting ThinkPad drives? 2) NT has severe difficulty accessing the drive successfully during installation. I remember something posted on this group in the past regarding 32-bit NT access on the TP drives > 540MB. Can someone remind me of the details? Could it be NT's 32 bit disk access that subsequently is affecting Warp's fdisk during installation? (see 1) 3) NT installation also has difficilty with the Floppy disk drive reporting "wrong fromat/density" errors. I also seem to remember a post about the TP Floppy drives supporting 2.88MB disk formatting. Can someone remind me how this different formats are controlled? Many thanks, Gwyn. dgj@mfltd.co.uk From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 12:12:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11801; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:12:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19147; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:09:39 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18875; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:09:35 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA03618; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:05:13 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510091205.ZM3616@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:05:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: WIN95: Help... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I was very surprised as to the (relative) ease of installation of Win95 over an ethernet PCMCIA card on my TP750Cs. As soon as I figured out what i needed and got the Win95 driver for my card, everything was almost perfect... I did have to transmit data via SneakerNet (tm) between the two computers for one part of the installation, but I needed the exercise anyway :) Now, here's the problem: The Microsoft Internet explorer for some reason allows you to use c:\ as a directory for the cache (BAD IDEA) If you then decide to change that and in the process believe that you can erase only the cached files by using the "Clear Directory" command from within the viewer, Things go very bad... The program just decided to erase everything on my c:\ except for the swap file... I did "sys" the drive from my boot floppy, but I have lost all the other files. I looked at the startup files from the desktop, and managed to get to a prompt on my computer (by copying the atuoexec.bat and config.sys files) but 1) Windows won't start automatically and worst yet, 2) If I type "win" I get the logo screen, but then the system crashes after loading the Modem, and before loading the Netcard (It loads one of them) Is anyone out there using Win95 PCMCIA drivers? can you tell me what you have on the c:\ directoy? What about your autoexec.bat and config.sys files? I'd appreciate any help you can offer, since I'm stuck w/o a working system right now.... Thanks! Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 12:27:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12576; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:27:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20537; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:26:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:26:01 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20287; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:25:11 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA03980; Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100 Message-Id: <9510091624.AA03980@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 760 CD can take two hard disks Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk according to PCWeek, Oct 2, p41. Is there a way to install a second harddisk in the 755CX floppy drive slot? /ivo welch PS: Some insurer included some stuff on insurance for notebooks in my 755CX box. Anyone tried these? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 12:30:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12598; Mon, 9 Oct 95 12:30:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20717; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:29:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:29:06 -0400 Received: from BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20633; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 12:28:31 -0400 From: Received: from PC1-Message_Server by BEL1.HAHNEMANN.EDU with WordPerfect_Office; Mon, 09 Oct 1995 12:23:58 -0400 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 12:27:42 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 760C / CD: Voice-Over-Data, plus 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade -----Announcement Letter 195307----- IBM ThinkPad 760C and 760CD Featuring Voice-Over-Data, plus ThinkPad 755 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade Introduced Product Announcement 195-307 Announced on October 6, 1995 In Brief . . . IBM ThinkPad 760 Family Don't miss seeing the new 12.1-inch SVGA TFT display -- the largest screen available in this size notebook computer. Key Features o Pentium 90MHz or 120MHz microprocessor (2.9 V) with internal cache o Packed with power and function -- still a light-weight, compact notebook o Choice of 12.1 or 10.4 (measured diagonally) SVGA TFT display o New keyboard with automatic tilt function and palm-rest area o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB) o High-capacity, removable hard disk: 720MB* or 1.2GB (option to add second hard disk) o Media processor: Programmable Mwave DSP subsystem for audio, games, music; 28.8 Kbps data/fax modem; telephony (answering machine/speakerphone) o On the 760CD: Total Image Video with MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 HHR support; Integrated removable 5.0-inch CD-ROM drive (4X) o Choice of preinstalled SelectaSystem(TM) or Windows 95 operating system plus selected applications o HelpCenter(R) (800-772-2227) ---------------------------------------- Open the cover of the new ThinkPad(R) 760C or CD -- see the new, extra-large 12.1-inch (measured diagonally) SVGA TFT display and the new styling of the tilted keyboard with built-in palm rest -- and you will realize that you are experiencing IBM's new generation of ThinkPad notebooks. Add to that a fast Pentium** processor (up to 120MHz), large-capacity hard disk storage (up to 1.2GB*), media processor (Mwave(R) Digital Signal Processor (DSP)), dual Infrared (IR) transceivers, 64K color support, and highly functional ThinkPad UltraBay(TM) -- you have everything you need, and more, in a compact, light-weight notebook. These new color models of the ThinkPad family emphasize faster performance and advanced function. This function includes the integrated media processor (Mwave DSP) providing stereo audio support, .WAV and MIDI audio support, integrated (up to 28.8 Kbps) data/fax modem support, full-feature telephony support (speakerphone and telephone answering machine), and a slide volume control. The ThinkPad 28.8 Kbps modem is the new 2.0 version of Mwave and delivers significant improvements in usability, audio support, and speakerphone quality. Additional function also includes integrated IR for wireless data/file transfer. Consider the ThinkPad 760CD system solution if you need more advanced and integrated multimedia capability -- CD-ROM, audio, and video combined. The integrated removable CD-ROM drive (150/600 Kbs), Total Image Video with MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 Half Horizontal Resolution (HHR) support, stereo speakers, theater sound (MIDI Wave Table Audio), and other features make the ThinkPad 760CD far more than MPC-2 compliant, setting it apart from the rest of the ThinkPad family and much heavier and less integrated multimedia competitive systems. A 760C or 760CD system, combined with any one of the four IBM docking solutions can easily become your primary personal computer, providing an alternative to a desktop system unit. Also announced today: o Voice-over-data: The media processor (Mwave DSP) can be enhanced to provide concurrent voice-over-data communication via a single phone line. o ThinkPad 755 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade (Mwave 2.0): A program offered free from IBM allows selected ThinkPad 755s with Mwave DSP to be upgraded to the same function as the ThinkPad 760C/CD media processor. Single Unit Price Range: $5,349 to $7,449 Planned Availability Date 90MHz SelectaSystem(TM) models October 6, 1995 90MHz Windows+ 95 models October 27, 1995 Pentium 120MHz models(1) and 1.08GB HDD option November 30, 1995 Pentium 120MHz upgrade and kit(1) December 29, 1995 DESCRIPTION ThinkPad 760 Family at a Glance The ThinkPad 760C and 760CD advanced-function models bring you new, innovative technology, instant productivity with preinstalled software, and outstanding service and support. Key reasons to consider the ThinkPad 760C and 760CD include: o Intel Pentium 90MHz or 120MHz microprocessor (2.9 V) with internal cache o 12.1-inch (measured diagonally) SVGA (800 x 600) TFT display (has 35 percent more viewing area when compared to the 10.4-inch display) or o 10.4-inch (measured diagonally) SVGA TFT display on the 760C systems Both of these displays have 64K simultaneous color support. o New keyboard with automatic tilt function and palm rest area o Large memory capacity (8MB to 40MB) o High-capacity removable hard disks: 720MB and 1.2GB (available only on the 760CD) and a second hard disk can be installed in the ThinkPad UltraBay, making the maximum capacity 2.4GB (this requires the use of the Second HDD Adapter optional feature) o Local bus video o Media processor -- programmable Mwave DSP subsystem for audio, games, music; 28.8 Kbps data/fax modem; and telephony (answering machine/speakerphone) o Theater sound (MIDI Wave Table Audio) o Li-Ion battery standard; capability to install two for much longer battery operation o Built-in microphone and speaker o Slide volume control o Two IR transceivers o TrackPoint III o Full complement of ports for peripheral connections o 240-pin docking connector o Removable 1.44MB floppy diskette drive o Type III PCMCIA slot o Power management o Enhanced usability with the new ThinkPad feature utility program o On-screen electronic personalization o Choice of preinstalled operating systems: - SelectaSystem allowing you to choose between preinstalled operating systems: OS/2 Warp 3.0, IBM PC DOS 7, and Windows 3.11. Also included are selected software applications. When you use OS/2 Warp, you can run multiple DOS, Windows, and OS/2 applications at the same time without conflict. Plus, you can take advantage of the selected OS/2 BonusPak applications that come with OS/2 Warp, including IBM Works and an Internet access via the IBM Global Network. - Windows 95 with selected software applications The ThinkPad 760CD has the following additional features: o Port for the attachment of an external FDD (requires the previously announced FDD External Attachment Kit (66G3618) o MIDI/joystick o Total Image Video with MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 HHR support. This includes enhanced video and stereo speakers, video-in and video-out (NTSL/PAL), video capture, hardware video acceleration, and scaling. MPEG (Moving Pictures Experts Group) is an industry standard for digital video compression. MPEG supports full-screen video at 30 frames per second. The ThinkPad 760CD supports both MPEG-1 and the much better quality MPEG-2. o Integrated, removable 5.0-inch CD-ROM drive (4X) ThinkPad 760 Family Features LCD Display: Depending on the model, these systems come with a 12.1-inch or 10.4-inch (maximum viewable area when measured diagonally) TFT with SVGA (800 x 600) resolution. These are bright Active Matrix displays. The TFT display provides superior viewing capability and helps lessen the glare indoors. The 12.1-inch screen provides 35 percent more viewing area when compared to the 10.4-inch screen and is the largest available on this size notebook computer. Keyboard and TrackPoint III: The new keyboard has the familiar layout of a ThinkPad with a function key capability that allows you to quickly access system functions, such as power management control. The keyboard tilts to a comfortable angle for typing when the system is opened, and there is a palm rest area. If desired, you can adjust the keyboard to have no tilt. The keyboard lifts up allowing access to the FDD bay, HDD bay, and battery for quick upgrades or battery changes. The TrackPoint III is an enhanced TrackPoint(TM) II with improved non-slip TrackPoint cap and more accurate pointing capability through improved software. The "drag and drop" function of the click buttons is enhanced. You can lock and hold the buttons in without having to keep pushing on them. Processor: Depending on the model, these systems have a Pentium 90MHz or a Pentium 120MHz processor with an internal cache and floating-point processor providing exceptional performance. Memory: The ThinkPad 760 system is designed to use non-parity memory. The system comes standard with 8MB RAM, upgradeable to a total of 40MB using new 3.3 volt non-parity memory modules. This high-capacity memory can handle almost any application the mobile professional may have to execute. PCMCIA: The Type III slot can accommodate either two Type I, two Type II, or one Type III PC card. If additional PCMCIA cards are required, the optional ThinkPad PCMCIA cartridge can be placed in the ThinkPad 760 family UltraBay, providing an additional Type III slot. The ThinkPad UltraBay not only can accommodate the PCMCIA Cartridge option, but it can also house the optional 2.88MB diskette drive (FDD), an additional Li-Ion battery, or a second hard disk drive. IBM PC Card Director software is preinstalled and provides support for the latest PCMCIA standard, 2.1. This software enables many PCMCIA cards, allowing the user to simply plug in the card. PC Card Director with Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver: PC Card Director helps you get status and information on PCMCIA cards installed in the system. In addition, on OS/2 and on Microsoft** Windows, PC Card Director can register an application program for PCMCIA cards and execute them automatically. Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver enables supported PCMCIA cards by sensing them automatically. PCMCIA cards supported by Auto Configurator and Memory Device Driver are listed in the Compatibility and Supported Products section. Storage: The customer-installable hard drive is 720MB or 1.2GB standard. The 1.2GB HDD is available only on the 760CD. The drive is easily removed by lifting up the keyboard. You can have multiple "systems" simply by installing a different hard drive. Systems can also be shared by users who have their own hard drive but no ThinkPad system unit. A 1.44MB FDD drive comes standard. The ThinkPad UltraBay, also standard with the system, is an intelligent bay that switches its pinout signals to allow the installation of an FDD, PCMCIA cartridge, second Li-Ion battery, or hard disk drive in what would normally be just the floppy diskette drive bay. The installation of a second hard file requires the ThinkPad Second HDD Adapter optional feature. The 760CD comes with a 5.0-inch CD-ROM, 4X-speed (150/600 Kps), in the ThinkPad UltraBay instead of the diskette drive. The FDD is shipped with the system. Media Processor (Mwave DSP): The Mwave MDSP2780 operates at up to 60 million operations per second for integrating audio, games, music, data/fax modem, and telephony into a DSP. Features and benefits include: o 44.1KHz MPC-2 16-bit audio with real-time compression o Simultaneous audio play and record o Digital audio mixing with up to eight open .WAV sources o General MIDI compatible, 32-voice wavetable synthesizer o Sound Blaster** support o Up to 28.8 Kbps data/fax modem o Full-featured telephone - Answering machine with variable speed message playback and voice compression - Hands-free, full-duplex speakerphone This features set can be enhanced simply by upgrading the DSP software. Voice-Over-Data with ThinkPad 760C/CD: The media processor (Mwave DSP) can be enhanced with the addition of the new Mwave Digital Simultaneous Voice/Data (DSV/D) software enhancement, which provides concurrent voice-over-data communication via a single phone line. This can increase productivity when used with remote communications and conferencing applications that can be purchased separately. This can be used with the already preinstalled Triton CoSessions Host program so the user can talk to the HelpCenter at the same time their system is being remotely diagnosed by a technician, resulting in better communications and faster problem solving. The Mwave DSV/D software enhancement can be obtained, at no charge >from IBM, from the PC Company Bulletin Board Service (PCCBBS) at 919-517-0001 (toll call). Also, customers with access capability, can obtain it from the Internet at FTP.PC.IBM.COM and from the ThinkPad Forum on CompuServ. Call the HelpCenter at 800-772-2227 if assistance is required. Audio: The audio capability on the system board (DSP) and the integrated microphone allow voice annotation and audio capability. The system is equipped with audio in/out jacks for stereo speakers, headphone, or external microphone. A separate slide volume control is located to the rear of the keyboard on the system. Video: The ThinkPad 760C system has the VESA local bus support with video acceleration, providing exceptional video performance. The 760CD also has enhanced video that supports video-in and video-out (NTSC/PAL), video capture, hardware video acceleration, and scaling. Total Image Video with MPEG-2 Half Horizontal Resolution (HHR): The 760CD system has support for MPEG-1 as well as MPEG-2 HHR video decoding for significantly improved video performance. Infrared (IR): The use of IR is greatly enhanced by the incorporation of Tranxit and Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro software on all models. This combination of Mind Path products on the 760C/CD allows the system to be controlled remotely(2), through the use of the wireless IR capability during presentations. It also enables the use of effects such as magnify, spotlight, and telestrator to be added to the LCD screen during presentations. (2) Requires the separate purchase of the Mind Path Remote Controller kit from Mind Path Technologies, Dallas, Texas. The system has IR transceivers in front and back for wireless file and data transfer and printing. The ThinkPad 760 family is designed for compliance with the Infrared Data Association (IrDA) IR data link specification Version 1.0. The system supports three modes of operation: o IBM mode (from 57.6 Kbps to 1.15 Mbps) o HP** mode (from 9600 bps to 115 Kbps) o Sharp** mode (9600 bps) Preinstalled software provides wireless file transfer, file synchronization, and clip board data transfer. With the infrared feature, data can be exchanged with the following systems by using the vendor software packages listed below: Systems Software Omnibook 300** LapLink Remote Access** HP 100LX/200LX** Connectivity Pack for the HP 100LX** Sharp Wizard/Zaurus** PC Interface Software, 9000 Link for PCs OZ-990(W)** The ThinkPad 760 family is shipped with the IR Mind Path Presentation F/X Pro software. Special effects are performed by Presentation F/X Pro software preinstalled on the hard disk drive. It is possible to change the selection of effects and characteristics by using the setup screen of the Presentation F/X Pro software. At the time of shipment, mouse function is supported for DOS, Windows, and OS/2. Special effect by the Presentation F/X Pro is supported for Windows. The Presentation F/X Pro upgrade to OS/2 is presented by the Mind Path Technologies, Dallas, Texas. For more details, call 214-233-9296 for customer support sponsored by Mind Path Technologies. Other Features: The system has the full complement of ports (enhanced parallel port, SVGA, pointer-keyboard, serial). In addition, a 240-pin connector supports the four IBM docking solutions: o Dock I -- portable docking with a slot and bay o Dock II -- desktop docking with slots, bays, and PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator I -- cable manager with a Type III PCMCIA slot or Type II PCMCIA slots o Port Replicator II -- cable manager only The 760CD has additional ports: MIDI/joystick, video-in, video-out, and an FDD external attachment port. An RJ11 jack is also included, because the DSP provides data/fax modem capability with speeds up to 28.8 Kbps. The RJ11 jack is standard. ThinkPad 755 28.8 Kbps Modem Upgrade (Mwave 2.0) A program is introduced to allow current ThinkPad 755s with Mwave DSP (excluding the ThinkPad 755C, 755CS, and 755CX models without DSP) to upgrade to the same function as the ThinkPad 760C/CD media processor. This program is offered free from IBM (other charges may apply) for the next 90 days when downloaded from the IBM BBS at 919-517-0001 (toll call), from the Internet at FTP.PC.IBM.COM, and from the ThinkPad Forum on CompuServ. If diskettes are required, they can be requested for a nominal shipping and handling fee from 800-690-3882. This offer provides users with the improvements to usability, audio support, and speakerphone quality; but most importantly, it doubles the speed of the modem to 28.8 Kbps. The modem alone has an estimated value of $99. The upgrade will also provide voice-over-data communications capability, which can be used with Triton CoSessions Host for enhanced service and support from the HelpCenter or other conferencing/remote control applications (purchased separately), such as Intel Proshare and Procomm Plus. The voice-over-data function is obtained in the same manner as for the ThinkPad 760. PRODUCT POSITIONING The ThinkPad 760 is positioned as one of the highest full-function families of IBM's mobile portable systems. PUBLICATIONS The following publications and diskettes are available for separate purchase. To order, call IBM Software Manufacturing Solution (SMS) Hotline at 800-879-2755. The appropriate user's guide will be shipped with each system. Order Part Description Number Number IBM ThinkPad Technical Reference 760C/CD(3) S30H-2433 30H2433 IBM ThinkPad 760C User's Guide S30H-2428 30H2428 IBM ThinkPad 760CD User's Guide S30H-2429 30H2429 IBM ThinkPad 760C Diskettes Group S30H-2463 30H2463 IBM ThinkPad 760CD Diskettes Group S30H-2466 30H2466 IBM ThinkPad Mwave Diskettes Group S30H-2467 30H2467 Order Part Description Number Number IBM ThinkPad Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 IBM ThinkPad 760CD Specification Sheet G221-4445 (3) Available November 1995 The Technical Reference is for programmers, engineers, and others who want to understand the ThinkPad 760 family system unit in greater detail. The publication includes functional specifications, hardware specifications, and pinouts for peripheral connectors. Service Publications (Manuals and Diskettes) Order Part Description Number Number Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: ThinkPad Computers S82G-1502 30H2357 Hardware Maintenance Diskette S82G-3891 82G3891 The Hardware Maintenance Manual contains service and reference information for ThinkPad computers. The service section includes procedures for isolating problems to a FRU, related service procedures, and an illustrated parts catalog. The reference section includes safety information, product description, and general information about system functions. Publications may be ordered from an IBM Authorized Dealer, an IBM representative, or through the Technical Directory. A complete listing of ThinkPad and Personal Computer hardware publications is available by calling the Technical Directory at 800-IBM-PCTB (800-426-7282). TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment ThinkPad 760 Family: The Li-Ion battery is shipped as standard with these models. Approximate operation hours and charging hours are: Function Hours ThinkPad 760C -- 12.1-inch SVGA Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.5 Charging during operation 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation range with one battery(4) 3.5 to 9.0 Battery operation range with two batteries(4) 7.0 to 18.0 ThinkPad 760C -- 10.4-inch SVGA Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.5 Charging during operation 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation range with one battery(4) 3.8 to 10.0 Battery operation range with two batteries(4) 7.6 to 20.0 Function Hours ThinkPad 760CD Power off/suspend charging 1.5 to 2.5 Charging during operation 2.0 to 3.0 Battery operation range with one battery(4) 3.1 to 9.0 Battery operation range with two batteries(4) 6.2 to 18.0 (4) The actual range may vary based on power management, applications used, frequency of keystrokes, options used, or system configuration. Note: The Li-Ion or NiMH batteries for the ThinkPad 755 family will not work in any ThinkPad 760C or 760CD system. Physical Specifications(5) ThinkPad 760C -- 12.1-inch SVGA o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 48.7 mm (1.92 in) o Weight: 3.09 kg (6.81 lb) with Li-Ion battery pack ThinkPad 760C -- 10.4-inch SVGA o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 44.2 mm (1.74 in) o Weight: 2.78 kg (6.12 lb) with Li-Ion battery pack ThinkPad 760CD o Width: 297.0 mm (11.7 in) o Depth: 210.0 mm (8.3 in) o Height: 54.3 mm (2.14 in) o Weight: 3.39 kg (7.47 lb) with Li-Ion battery pack Accessories o Li-Ion battery pack: 400 g (0.88 lb) o FDD: 213 g (0.47 lb) (5) Actual specifications may vary based on features, vendor components, or manufacturing process. Electrical Specifications o Universal AC adapter: 100-240 V AC, 2.0 A, 50/60Hz o Li-Ion battery pack: 10.8 V, 2.8 AH, 710 mAH/cell, 12 cell/pack Heat Dissipation o 136 Btu/hr maximum Air Temperature for Shipping and Storage o -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) Acoustic Noise Level: Class 3D (office environment) o Sound pressure level (operator position): 40 dB (operating) o Sound power level: 5.1 Bels (operating), 4.8 Bels (idling) Note: The noise emission level stated is the declared (upper limit) sound power level, in Bels, for a random sample of machines, typically configured, and operating in idle mode; for example, powered on, but no DASD read/write or other I/O activity. All measurements made in accordance with ANSI S12.10, and reported in conformance with ISO 9296. Operating Environment Air temperature: 0 to 8,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 35(degs)C (41(degs) to 95(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 35(degs)C (50(degs) to 95(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs)C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 29.4(degs)C (85(degs)F) Air temperature: 8,000 to 10,000 ft o Operating: 5(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (41(degs) to 88(degs)F) (without diskette) o Operating: 10(degs) to 31.3(degs)C (50(degs) to 88(degs)F) (with diskette inside unit) o System off: 5(degs) to 43(degs)C (41(degs) to 110(degs)F) o Storage/shipment: -20(degs) to 60(degs) C (-4(degs) to 140(degs)F) o Wet bulb (maximum): 25.7(degs)C (78(degs)F) Note: The maximum temperature when system on is linearly decreased >from 8,000 ft to 10,000 ft. Relative Humidity o Operating: 8% to 95% (without diskette) o Operating: 8% to 80% (with diskette inside unit) o Storage/shipment: 5% to 95% Altitude o 10,000 ft maximum (3,048 m) Agency Approvals o System Unit Approvals - FCC Class-B Certified to comply with FCC Rules, Part 15 FCC ID is ANO695NKZFB1 (760C/CD) - VCCI CLASS 2 (0 db) - CISPR22B - UL-1950 - CSA C22.2 No. 950 - SEMKO - NOM - DEMKO - UK-PTT - JATE - SASO - OVE Software Requirements: The following operating systems support the ThinkPad 760 family. Refer to the Limitations section for support issues unique to each operating system. o IBM PC DOS 7, J7.0/V o IBM OS/2 Warp Version 3 o IBM OS/2 Warp, Japanese Version 3.0 o MS-DOS 6.22 o Microsoft Windows 95 o Microsoft Windows 3.11/J3.1 o Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11 Systems software supported: o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Entry Version 4.0(6) o IBM OS/2 LAN Server Advanced Version 4.0(6) o IBM Communications Manager/2 Version 1.11 o IBM Database/2 OS/2 Version 1.2 (6) Only the client function portion was tested. Compatibility and Supported Products Refer to the 9546 Sales Manual pages, or contact your IBM representative, for a complete list of supported features and options and compatible IBM and vendor software. The Sales Manual is updated periodically. The ThinkPad 760 family of systems is designed to be compatible with the PS/2(R). The ThinkPad 760 family systems contain BIOS/Easy Setup/Diagnostics in their Flash ROM and also provide a graphical user interface to set up the system and power management features for OS/2 and Windows users. BIOS provides the hardware instructions and interfaces designed to support the standard features of the ThinkPad 760 family systems and to maintain compatibility with many software programs currently operating under DOS and OS/2 on the Personal Computer XT(TM), Personal Computer AT(R), and the PS/2 family. Limitations o Enabling I/R on the host system during a co-sessions host session is not supported. o Voice-over-data (VOD) is only functional at 14,400 bps. If VOD is enabled, the Mwave modem is automatically set to V.32 bis (14,400 bps). Additionally, a V.42 or V.42/V.42 bis connection is required for successful VOD. MNP or asynchronous connections will not support VOD. If VOD fails to operate, redial until you are able to make the required connection. You may have to make several attempts based on the status of your phone equipment. o Currently, the VOD program is only supported in the native Windows, and native DOS environments. It is not supported in OS/2 (WIN-OS/2(TM)). o Receiving a fax from a ThinkPad 755CE/CSE/CD/CX may intermittently fail when using the FaxWorks Voice application. This may be corrected by recording a new outgoing greeting in the FaxWorks application. This situation will not occur if the ThinkPad 755 (sending system) is upgraded to Mwave 2.0. o In OS/2 Warp or Windows 95, the call center will not function correctly when playing MPEG. o Mwave DSP related resources are not available after those devices are disabled when using Windows 95. o When using MPEG, the CD-i Interactive is not supported. o When using Windows 95, CD-i cannot be played with the CD-ROM driver supplied with Windows 95. o Use boot manager when booting OS/2 Warp from a secondary drive. o When using OS/2 Warp, some CD-i (very few) cannot be played. o In OS/2 Warp, using a MIDI application concurrently with the modem or with digital voice applications requires that the MIDI application be opened first. Once the modem call is completed or the digital video application is closed, MIDI play will be resumed. If after completion of the modem and digital video tasks, the MIDI play resumes with lesser quality or lower volume, it may be necessary to rewind the MIDI file or to close and reopen the MIDI application to restore full MIDI quality. o In OS/2 Warp, the Mwave modem must be opened by selecting the modem icon. The OS/2 modem is not started automatically. o When a CD-i format CD is in the CD-ROM drive the system may not start correctly when using OS/2 Warp. A fix will be provided under OS/2 Warp APAR PJ19669. o When a second HDD is in the ThinkPad UltraBay, it cannot be formatted by the OS/2 Warp FDISK program after being assigned as the logical drive. A fix will be provided under OS/2 Warp APAR PJ19672. o To improve performance when playing MPEG using OS/2 Warp, 12MB of system memory is recommended. o To play video-in under OS/2 Warp, 12MB of system memory is required. o When using Microsoft Windows 3.11 or Windows 95, the chapter control related functions of the video CD player may not work with some Karaoke CDs. o The Hardware Video (HV) Expansion function is not supported when 64K color is selected at 640 x 480 resolution in Windows. o A power.exe is required when using Mwave in a DOS environment so that there will not be sound loss after suspend/resume during games. o A suspend/resume operation during a modem application in the Windows DOS box may cause the application to hang. The modem application should be closed before entering a suspend. o A suspend/resume operation during audio recording may result in unexpected results. Audio recordings should be stopped before entering suspend. o When using Windows 95 or OS/2 Warp Version 3, a suspend/resume operation during AVI file, MPEG file, video-CD, CD-i playing, and other video-in feature operation may cause an audio/video synchronous problem or the application to hang. The application should be closed before entering a suspend. o Modem/fax/telephony features do not support PBX. o MPEG-2 HHR PAL format clips cannot be played back regardless of operating system. o In OS/2 Warp, video-in recorder cannot be used with the following applications concurrently, as it may cause the applications to hang. - Digital video 3 (MPEG playback) - Video CD-i player (Video CD playback) - Digital video player (H/W acceler ========================= This message is too long to be retrieved completely in the item view. The message was truncated. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 13:17:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15981; Mon, 9 Oct 95 13:17:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24980; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:16:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:13:31 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24596; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:13:29 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA03929; Mon, 9 Oct 95 13:09:08 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510091309.ZM3927@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 13:09:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Arturo J. Morales" "WIN95: Help..." (Oct 9, 12:05pm) References: <9510091205.ZM3616@aaRS.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WIN95: Help... (Update) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 On Oct 9, 12:05pm, Arturo J. Morales wrote: > Subject: WIN95: Help... > I was very surprised as to the (relative) ease of installation of Win95 > over an ethernet PCMCIA card on my TP750Cs. As soon as I figured out > what i needed and got the Win95 driver for my card, everything was almost > perfect... I did have to transmit data via SneakerNet (tm) between the > two computers for one part of the installation, but I needed the exercise > anyway :) > > Now, here's the problem: > The Microsoft Internet explorer for some reason allows you to use c:\ > as a directory for the cache (BAD IDEA) If you then decide to change that > and in the process believe that you can erase only the cached files by using > the "Clear Directory" command from within the viewer, Things go very bad... > > The program just decided to erase everything on my c:\ except for the swap > file... I did "sys" the drive from my boot floppy, but I have lost all > the other files. I looked at the startup files from the desktop, and > managed to get to a prompt on my computer (by copying the atuoexec.bat > and config.sys files) but 1) Windows won't start automatically and > worst yet, 2) If I type "win" I get the logo screen, but then the system > crashes after loading the Modem, and before loading the Netcard (It loads > one of them) > > Is anyone out there using Win95 PCMCIA drivers? can you tell me what you have > on the c:\ directoy? What about your autoexec.bat and config.sys files? > > I'd appreciate any help you can offer, since I'm stuck w/o a working system > right now.... I tried to eject the network card and and reboot, but i get the same message: Something is missing related to VFAT. I looked into the resource kit to try and figure out what this means, but no luck... Thanks again in advance... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 14:31:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21671; Mon, 9 Oct 95 14:31:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01358; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:26:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:24:00 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01080; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:23:59 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA04198; Mon, 9 Oct 95 14:19:38 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510091419.ZM4196@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 14:19:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: WIN95: Help... (Fixed!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I finally got it to work... It seems that msdos.sys was one of the files erased (even thought it was supposed to be hidden). So I copied it back >from the desktop and it worked...! Thanks for your help! Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 17:27:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06424; Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:27:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19378; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:20:22 -0400 Received: from asylum.apocalypse.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18965; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:20:13 -0400 Received: from lang.znet.com (lang.znet.com [204.157.172.142]) by asylum.apocalypse.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA15031 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 17:19:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199510092119.RAA15031@asylum.apocalypse.org> From: lang@apocalypse.org (Lang Zerner) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC insurance (was: Re: TP 760 CD can take two hard disks) Date: Mon, 09 Oct 1995 21:20:22 GMT Reply-To: lang@apocalypse.org References: <9510091624.AA03980@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99b.112 On Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100, Ivo Welch wrote: >Some insurer included some stuff on insurance for notebooks in my 755CX >box. Anyone tried these? I don't know what info you got, but in my opinion the best choice for computer insurance is Safeware. They don't do any complicated calculations, just simply replace your covered hardware and software up to a certain price cap (which cap determines your premium). Their claims department is cooperative and claims turnaround is fast. Because I have little tolerance for flames, I will not post their contact info, but they are listed as "Safeware the Insurance Company" with toll-free directory assistance (800-555-1212). I am unaffiliated with Safeware except as a customer. Be seeing you... --Lang From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 18:27:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10020; Mon, 9 Oct 95 18:27:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25386; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:24:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:26 -0400 Received: from panix3.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25238; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:24 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.7/8.7/+PanixU1.2) id SAA24991; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:23:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Just purchased 760cd Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just purchased a 760cd via PC Direct. I paid ~$8800, since I also ordered a 16mb upgrade. The sales rep said that I should expect delivery in a week and a half, which is stunning considering the time I waited for the 755cd (4 months!). I'll post a full review once it arrives. Can't wait!! :-) Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 19:06:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12706; Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:06:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27824; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:01:34 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27731; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 19:01:32 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16567; Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:01:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 19:01:40 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510092301.AA16567@nile.gnat.com> To: macd@panix.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd are the memory cards for the 760 the same as for the 755? how about the batteries? I guess we know for sure the hard disks are different right? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:27:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22810; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:27:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06853; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:26:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:25:34 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06742; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:25:33 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17737; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:25:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:25:36 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510100125.AA17737@nile.gnat.com> To: macd@panix.com Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu does anyone know if 32M cards are available for the 760, or do you have to use 16M DIMS? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:30:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22841; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:30:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06624; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:23:51 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06358; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:23:49 -0400 From: Received: from quartet.ho.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA06932; Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:34:51 EDT Received: from bali (bali.ho.att.com) by quartet.ho.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA01629; Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:35:59 EDT Received: by bali (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA00298; Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:35:59 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 10:35:59 EDT Message-Id: <9510091435.AA00298@bali> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Intro and Questions Cc: rth1@quartet.ho.att.com Hi all, I have a TP 755C, 20MB RAM, 540 MB disk, running OS/2 Warp and Windows 3.1. Applications are pretty generic, MS Word, Lotus Notes, Lotus Word Pro, Framemaker 4.0. Here's my question: I'm looking to prepare my TP for Windows'95 and went to the IBM PCCO web page to download new setup and bios diskettes. I did not see instructions on how to turn these files into the disk images I need. I'm hoping these files don't require the Diskette Factory application that shipped with my TP a year and a half ago..... Could someone share the procedure for creating the diskettes and updating the boios on these machines?? Many thanks, Bob Hawley AT&T Bell Labs Technical Publications r.t.hawley@att.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:31:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22846; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:31:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06278; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:21:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:24 -0400 Received: from panix3.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06007; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:17 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.7/8.7/+PanixU1.2) id VAA04310; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:19:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd In-Reply-To: <9510092301.AA16567@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The memory cards are NOT the same, unfortunately...which means that I can't use the 16mb DRAM card in my 755cd. I believe the hard disks are different too. According to the sales rep at IBM, hundreds of 760CDs have been shipped already. Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > are the memory cards for the 760 the same as for the 755? > how about the batteries? > > I guess we know for sure the hard disks are different right? > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 21:38:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23334; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:38:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07703; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:35:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:34:50 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07514; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 21:34:46 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17878; Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:35:00 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 21:35:00 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510100135.AA17878@nile.gnat.com> To: macd@panix.com Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu it is really annoying how IBM changes so much on each new release, it sure keeps the 3rd party people from coming in effectively, but perhaps it is done exactly for that reason? The new memory is the first time this has changed in a while Can someone who has a 760 tell us what the memory looks like. I have really been waiting for someone to come up with a 64meg card for the 755, I geuss the wait will be longer for the 760, oh well! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 9 22:07:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24291; Mon, 9 Oct 95 22:07:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09796; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:04:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:03:52 -0400 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09589; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:03:49 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id SAA01119; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 18:30:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199510100130.SAA01119@netcom.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 09 Oct 95 15:16:28 EDT From: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) Reply-To: msmith@netcom.com (Martin P. Smith) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: PC insurance (was: Re: TP 760 CD can take two hard dis On Mon, 09 Oct 1995 21:20:22 GMT you wrote: >On Mon, 9 Oct 95 17:24:38 +0100, Ivo Welch wrote: >>Some insurer included some stuff on insurance for notebooks in my 755CX >>box. Anyone tried these? > >I don't know what info you got, but in my opinion the best choice for computer >insurance is Safeware. They don't do any complicated calculations, just simply >replace your covered hardware and software up to a certain price cap (which cap I concur with safeware. I am very happy with them. A word of caution MOST home insurance does NOT cover a portable machine when used for work or outside the home. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.com ------------------------------------------------- Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.com 1988 gun deaths: Canada 5, Great Britain 8, USA over 8500 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 00:58:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07379; Tue, 10 Oct 95 00:58:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21422; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:57:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:54:51 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21205; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:54:49 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA154970 for < tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:54:45 GMT Message-Id: <199510100454.EAA154970@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip168-200.sy.au.ibm.net(129.37.168.200) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaaFIDmb; Tue Oct 10 04:54:35 1995 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 14:52:56 EDT From: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) Reply-To: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: TP 760 Memory Hello all I note in the announcement letter on the new 760s that the systems use "new 3.3 volt non-parity memory modules". For the technologically challenged, what does this mean? Specifically, will DRAM cards for the 750 series work in the new 760s. As I own a 32mb card, I am worried I will be stuck with an expensive lemon. Regards Jack Crawford jgcrawf@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 01:08:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07764; Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:08:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21736; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:03:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:02:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21666; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:02:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20574; Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:02:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:02:39 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510100502.AA20574@nile.gnat.com> To: jgcrawf@ibm.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory Jack, it seems pretty clear that the TP760 memory is NOT the same as he 755 memory, and also the very expensive Lithium-Ion batteries also are not the same. GRRRR! sure makes it more expensive to take the step up! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 01:54:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09564; Tue, 10 Oct 95 01:54:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24076; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:53:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:52:00 -0400 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23999; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 01:51:58 -0400 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id WAA03285; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:45:52 -0700 From: okuyama@netcom.com (Darin Okuyama) Message-Id: <199510100545.WAA03285@netcom7.netcom.com> Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 22:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9510100502.AA20574@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 10, 95 01:02:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Jack, it seems pretty clear that the TP760 memory is NOT the same as he > 755 memory, and also the very expensive Lithium-Ion batteries also are > not the same. GRRRR! sure makes it more expensive to take the step up! > Well, in this case I think we can forgive IBM, they are changing over from the 5 volt memories to the 3.3 volt memories (thus lo- wering the power requirements for the system). But, I wonder why the batteries changed? Also, is this list going to change its name? IBM did have the opportunity to call this new laptop a ThinkPad 800, but didn't; so, perhaps we can think of the 760 as a 759.9 :). ---Darin Okuyama From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 02:17:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11270; Tue, 10 Oct 95 02:17:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25167; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:16:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:42 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25013; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:40 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA02737; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199510100615.CAA02737@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: whether to change the list name/scope Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:15:33 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > Also, is this list going to change its name? IBM did have the > opportunity to call this new laptop a ThinkPad 800, but didn't; > so, perhaps we can think of the 760 as a 759.9 :). For a long time now the list has been limited to machines that were similar to the 750. IBM's new laptops aren't all that similar to the old 750s, and yet a lot of the same people are interested in them (many of those who used to want the top-of-the-line laptops still do... it's just that the top has moved.) A lot of people complain about the volume on this list. One way to cut down on volume is to keep the topic of discussion narrow. This has some drawbacks too, because a few topics are of interest to several groups. Anyway, if you want to express an opinion about whether or not to include 760s, 701s, etc. on this list, or to set up a separate list for the new machines, etc., please send it to me personally at moore@cs.utk.edu. I'll post a summary in a few days. Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 02:55:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13056; Tue, 10 Oct 95 02:55:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27898; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:55:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:54:16 -0400 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27818; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 02:54:14 -0400 Received: by netcom16.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id XAA03028; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 23:49:13 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 23:49:13 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510100649.XAA03028@netcom16.netcom.com> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, okuyama@netcom.com Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu I thought the 755's also used 3.3 volt memory, and the CX is definitely non-parity. The battery probably changed because the physical layout changed (plus they like to sell everyone new stuff). But the 760's have a removable floppy and you can put a 2nd battery into the floppy bay, so you can hot swap or automatically switch over. Also, is this list going to change its name? IBM did have the opportunity to call this new laptop a ThinkPad 800, but didn't; so, perhaps we can think of the 760 as a 759.9 :). The Thinkpad 800 series exists, and uses the PowerPC processor. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 03:03:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13247; Tue, 10 Oct 95 03:03:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28647; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:07 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28568; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:06 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id DAA00271; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory In-Reply-To: <199510100649.XAA03028@netcom16.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: > I thought the 755's also used 3.3 volt memory, and the CX > is definitely non-parity. The battery probably changed > because the physical layout changed (plus they like to sell > everyone new stuff). I wonder if this means IBM will have a fire sale of TP75x accessories like they did with the TP700/720. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 04:27:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18195; Tue, 10 Oct 95 04:27:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05435; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:26:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:24:54 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05092; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 04:24:52 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA134147 for < tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:24:44 GMT Message-Id: <199510100824.IAA134147@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip168-228.sy.au.ibm.net(129.37.168.228) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smajvMDmb; Tue Oct 10 08:24:35 1995 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 18:09:31 EDT From: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) Reply-To: jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: PMMail v1.1 UNREGISTERED SHAREWARE Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory On Mon, 9 Oct 1995 Paul Rubin wrote: >I thought the 755's also used 3.3 volt memory, and the CX >is definitely non-parity. The battery probably changed >because the physical layout changed (plus they like to sell >everyone new stuff). But the 760's have a removable floppy >and you can put a 2nd battery into the floppy bay, so you >can hot swap or automatically switch over. Yes, that's behind my original question about 760/75x memory compatibility. IBM explicitly says in its product announcement that the batteries for the TP 755 will not work in any 760 system. However, I could not find a similar comment about memory compatibility. They simply say they are using "new" memory modules, whatever that means. Could some kind soul test this out for certain i.e. will TP75x DRAM cards be recognised in a TP760 machine? Thanks in advance Jack From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 06:57:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27285; Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:57:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20105; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:56:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:54:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19925; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:54:31 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA22806; Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:54:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 06:54:35 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510101054.AA22806@nile.gnat.com> To: moore@cs.utk.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope let's include 760's in the list, I find the volume still quite managable, although at this stage I would prefer a newsgroup. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 08:14:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00296; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:14:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23533; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:11:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:09:59 -0400 Received: from mailer.together.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23304; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:09:57 -0400 Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mailer.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA07295 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:00 -0400 Received: from vtr10.together.net (vtr10.together.net [204.97.121.10]) by sequoia.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA03301 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:12:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199510101212.IAA03301@sequoia.together.net> From: byellin@together.net (Bob Yellin) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Intro and Questions Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:37 GMT References: <9510091435.AA00298@bali> In-Reply-To: <9510091435.AA00298@bali> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/32.126 I did the same thing. Just copy each file onto an high density floppy (1.4MB) diskette, (you may not even have to do that but I did it so that I could store them and use them in the future), expand the files in a temporary directory and read the text file instructions. You don't need the Diskette Factory. If you need help let me know. >Here's my question: I'm looking to prepare my TP for Windows'95 and went to the >IBM PCCO web page to download new setup and bios diskettes. I did not see instructions on how to turn these files into the disk images I need. I'm hoping these files don't require the Diskette Factory application that shipped with my TP a year and a half ago..... >Could someone share the procedure for creating the diskettes and updating the boios on these machines?? >Bob Hawley >AT&T Bell Labs Technical Publications >r.t.hawley@att.com Bob Yellin byellin@together.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 08:14:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00355; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:14:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23529; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:55 -0400 Received: from wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23408; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:47 -0400 Received: from qmgate (qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca) by wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca with SMTP id AA26423 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:10:31 -0400 Message-Id: Date: 10 Oct 1995 08:10:25 -0800 From: "Edmond Bourne" Subject: Re: whether to change the l To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 Mail*Link(r) SMTP RE> whether to change the list name/scope Is there a digest of this group? I'm on another mailing list and instead of receiveing each message as its sent, they are instead sent in groups of 10 or so, as they queue up. It makes going through my mailbox easier... cheers ed From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 08:50:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06186; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:50:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26453; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:49:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:51 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26368; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:50 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA28637; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:32 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510101248.IAA28637@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510101054.AA22806@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 10, 95 06:54:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text yeah...a newsgroup! who wants to take care of the work? :-))) > > let's include 760's in the list, I find the volume still quite > managable, although at this stage I would prefer a newsgroup. > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 09:33:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08354; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00948; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:30:35 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00635; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:30:32 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0645; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:24:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9510101624.AA0645@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 1D488784B1B3BBB3852562510048B4E1; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:24:44 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 10 Oct 95 9:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain I think the decision should be made by the architecture of the machine and the level of interest. The 75X's and 360's are in the same list because, architecturally, they're very similar. I don't know of a peripheral device for one that doesn't work in the other. So far, I've been skipping all the 760 postings, so I don't know if the same can be said for them. The pertinent issue is whether or not the preponderance of tech tips/Q&A/advice given for 75X's and 360's applies to 760's. The other issue is volume. I'm a big fan of the delete key, but if the machines don't logically belong in the same list, and there's enough volume of chatter about the 760's to support a separate list, then it should be separated. There's no reason why anyone can't subscribe to both if they so desire. The volume appears to be enough for a separate list. I don't know enough about the 760 to say whether it logically fits this list. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 09:55:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09475; Tue, 10 Oct 95 09:55:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03219; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:54:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:51:25 -0400 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02823; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:51:23 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id GAA11006 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:51:20 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199510101351.GAA11006@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 0613 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:17:40 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, rth1@quartet.ho.att.com Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 06:17:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Intro and Questions Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 > > Here's my question: I'm looking to prepare my TP for Windows'95 and went to the > IBM PCCO web page to download new setup and bios diskettes. I did not see instructions on how to t t > ry application that shipped with my TP a year and a half ago..... > The files for the 755C are xxtpsxxx.exe. For instance the BIOS disk is sytps141.exe. The only exception is the utility disk (uttp1310.exe). From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 10:09:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10345; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:09:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04868; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:08:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:07:13 -0400 Received: from alster.port.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04736; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:07:10 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by alster.port.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA17813; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:12:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: retsla X-Sender: alster@alster.port.net To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: <9510101054.AA22806@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > let's include 760's in the list, I find the volume still quite > managable, although at this stage I would prefer a newsgroup. NO!! accccck!! no newsgroups! http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net\\chewy.wookie.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 10:28:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11434; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:28:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06591; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:22 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06452; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:20 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA24628; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:25:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:25:27 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510101425.AA24628@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu "NO!! accccck!! no newsgroups!" some people do have environments which make reading news hard, and some people, odd to say, prefer mail lists (they must be people with a lot of time on their hands, or they are lonely for email :-) anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 10:36:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12101; Tue, 10 Oct 95 10:36:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07486; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:32:58 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07235; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:32:56 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id HAA22943; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 07:32:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199510101432.HAA22943@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 07:35:57 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory On Tue, 10 Oct 1995 03:02:13 -0400 (EDT) you wrote: >On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Paul Rubin wrote: >>I wonder if this means IBM will have a fire sale of TP75x accessories >like they did with the TP700/720. Now that's a valuable thought. If anyone becomes aware of cheap 16MB memory for the 755Cs, please post it here on the list. ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 ----------------------------- AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail | "If you run with wolves, howl like them." Old English proverb From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:14:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14196; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:14:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11118; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:55 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10720; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id LAA03908; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199510101509.LAA03908@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: alster@interport.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:25:27 EDT." <9510101425.AA24628@nile.gnat.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:09:36 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with > a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. This works well if you want to accomodate people with different interfaces to the list; it doesn't work so well if you're concerned about signal to noise ratio. Keith (so far replies are about evenly split between narrow and wide scope) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:26:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15959; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:26:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12541; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:23:40 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12445; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:23:39 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA12478; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:28:32 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: "Martin P. Smith" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PC insurance (was: Re: TP 760 CD can take two hard dis In-Reply-To: <199510100130.SAA01119@netcom.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Martin P. Smith wrote: > A word of caution MOST home insurance does NOT cover a portable > machine when used for work or outside the home. Yes - State Farm told me that the criteria is "is it used or intended for use primarily inside the home?" While in my case I could probably contend that the primary use is for inside the home, I suspect that with any reasonable amount of outlay they'd argue the issue, given that the _nature_ of a laptop is to be portable. Similarly, I discovered that my car insurance won't cover something that isn't "permanently attached to the car." Meaning that a mounted car phone (which is infinitly more recognizable as there to be stolen) would be covered while my handheld unit isn't! Sheesh! So my laptop wouldn't be covered either. But as a final note, most insurance companies will sell you a rider policy for your transportable electronics. Their quote on my cellular phone worked out to the same as the "no questions asked" $4 a month my carrier wanted, so I passed on that. I have yet to ask them about my laptop (living dangerously for the moment...) but I'd suspect it would be similar to Safeware's price. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:37:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17481; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:37:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13330; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:19 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13238; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:11 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA25611; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:31:13 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:31:13 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510101531.AA25611@nile.gnat.com> To: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Cc: alster@interport.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu I do not understand Keith's comment: This works well if you want to accomodate people with different interfaces to the list; it doesn't work so well if you're concerned about signal to noise ratio. what is your concern? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 11:51:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18487; Tue, 10 Oct 95 11:51:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14882; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:48:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:16 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14728; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:13 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id LAA06221 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:09 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id LAA04411; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: <9510101425.AA24628@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > "NO!! accccck!! no newsgroups!" > > some people do have environments which make reading news hard, and some > people, odd to say, prefer mail lists (they must be people with a lot > of time on their hands, or they are lonely for email :-) Nah ...because mail always works ...and news always breaks :) Usenet is inconsistent ...articles don't always get to everyone ...blah blah blah ... > anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with > a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 12:11:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20397; Tue, 10 Oct 95 12:11:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17126; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:10:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:52 -0400 Received: from ecs.umass.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16818; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:50 -0400 Received: from ECS.UMASS.EDU by ECS.UMASS.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #6523) id <01HW9WDLMLBK8ZE7YI@ECS.UMASS.EDU>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:09:46 -0500 From: JACK SHU Subject: HI To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HW9WDLOGUA8ZE7YI@ECS.UMASS.EDU> X-Envelope-To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Vms-To: IN%"TP750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Just wanted to say Hi. I'm new to this mailing list. my company currently have 3 755C's and 2 750C's with 20 megs of ram each and 810 meg hd's. anyone know of a way we can use 256 color mode on windows NT 3.51? we can only get 16 color mode to run on there. Thanks. BTW does anyone know of a TP701 mailing list? We just purchased a bunch of 701C's. Jack From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 13:01:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23465; Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20933; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:50:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:48:43 -0400 Received: from wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20749; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:48:33 -0400 Received: from qmgate (qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca) by wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca with SMTP id AA04965 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:48:16 -0400 Message-Id: Date: 10 Oct 1995 12:47:39 -0800 From: "Edmond Bourne" Subject: Re: PC insurance (was- Re- To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 take... My wife is a state farm Claims adjustor and we went over our policy recently when I purchased a computer for home. I had to add a rider to our house insurance for the computer since its replacement cost (not its depreciated value) is > $5000 which is the limit for any individual item on our policy. When I first got the computer I counted things like this (computer $3000, monitor $500, external modem, $150, extra memory $400, etc, etc), which I figured meant I didn't need to worry about getting a rider. StateFarm however add's up ALL the computer items together (just like they would for a Car) which is why the total value of the computer is much greater the $5000 even though no component even comes close. Our Car insurance is also with state farm which makes things easy, but you will find that most insurance companies cover stuff stolen out of a car under the home owners insurance, if its an item thats not specific to the car (ie: a car stereo is, a walkman isn't). Check with your agent for the specifics. I think the rider just a added a buck or two a month to the policy (my wife is the expert!). By the way, these are Canadian/ontario dollar values and may not apply elsewhere. cheers ed -------------------------------------- Date: 10/10/95 12:30 PM To: Edmond Bourne From: Don Whiteside On Mon, 9 Oct 1995, Martin P. Smith wrote: > A word of caution MOST home insurance does NOT cover a portable > machine when used for work or outside the home. Yes - State Farm told me that the criteria is "is it used or intended for use primarily inside the home?" While in my case I could probably contend that the primary use is for inside the home, I suspect that with any reasonable amount of outlay they'd argue the issue, given that the _nature_ of a laptop is to be portable. Similarly, I discovered that my car insurance won't cover something that isn't "permanently attached to the car." Meaning that a mounted car phone (which is infinitly more recognizable as there to be stolen) would be covered while my handheld unit isn't! Sheesh! So my laptop wouldn't be covered either. But as a final note, most insurance companies will sell you a rider policy for your transportable electronics. Their quote on my cellular phone worked out to the same as the "no questions asked" $4 a month my carrier wanted, so I passed on that. I have yet to ask them about my laptop (living dangerously for the moment...) but I'd suspect it would be similar to Safeware's price. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 13:13:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24289; Tue, 10 Oct 95 13:13:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22471; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:19 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22393; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:13 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA04109; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199510101709.NAA04109@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu, alster@interport.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:31:13 EDT." <9510101531.AA25611@nile.gnat.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:09:03 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > I do not understand Keith's comment: > > This works well if you want to accomodate people with different > interfaces to the list; it doesn't work so well if you're concerned > about signal to noise ratio. > > what is your concern? The more people you have in a discussion, the greater the tendency for the discussion to degenerate into things that aren't relevant. Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:04:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03930; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:04:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02861; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:03:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:02:36 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02738; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:02:34 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA09990; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:02:31 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Date: 10 Oct 1995 19:02:31 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <45eg07$9fo@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: macd@panix.com Michael MacDonald wrote: >I just purchased a 760cd via PC Direct. I paid ~$8800, since I also >ordered a 16mb upgrade. The sales rep said that I should expect >delivery in a week and a half, which is stunning considering the time >I waited for the 755cd (4 months!). > >I'll post a full review once it arrives. Can't wait!! :-) > >Michael MacDonald >macd@panix.com >mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu > I placed an order with PCs Compleat last Thursday before it came out. Paid $7199, about $300 cheaper than PC Direct. Also, you BOUGHT the IBM RAM! They are way overpriced! Expect Kingston and Apricorn to come out with the 16MB ram in about 2 to 3 weeks. Also, the 760 can actullay go up to 128Mb RAM (not 40). It has two slots for RAM. And IBM (and third parties) will be making 64MB RAM cards soon. You might want to stop your order for the IBM RAM... (The RAM from Apricorn almost cost HALF!) I am waiting for my 760CD too! :) Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:05:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03935; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:05:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02545; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:01:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:57:55 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02125; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:57:54 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA09586; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:57:47 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: Just purchased 760cd Date: 10 Oct 1995 18:57:47 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <45efnb$8vh@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) wrote: >does anyone know if 32M cards are available for the 760, or do >you have to use 16M DIMS? The 760 can actually take up to 128MB of RAM. 64Mb RAM card will be introduced. Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:10:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04282; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:10:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03051; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:05:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:04:20 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02938; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:04:17 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA10095; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:04:15 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: TP 760 Memory Date: 10 Oct 1995 19:04:14 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <45eg3e$9fo@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: jgcrawf@ibm.net jgcrawf@ibm.net (Jack Crawford) wrote: >Yes, that's behind my original question about 760/75x memory >Could some kind soul test this out for certain i.e. will TP75x DRAM cards be rec >ognised in a TP760 machine? > >Thanks in advance > >Jack > NO! I know how you feel. Wai_Shan_Lam@Brown.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 15:11:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04351; Tue, 10 Oct 95 15:11:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03318; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:06:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:05:33 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03139; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:05:29 -0400 Received: by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id LAA03519; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:48:31 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:48:31 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510101848.LAA03519@netcom17.netcom.com> To: alster@interport.net, dewar@nile.gnat.com Subject: Re: whether to change the list name/scope Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu some people do have environments which make reading news hard, and some people, odd to say, prefer mail lists (they must be people with a lot of time on their hands, or they are lonely for email :-) anyway, the proper solution is a newsgroup which is interconnected with a mailing list, this is quite standard to arrange. My main objection to a newsgroup comes from the noise level that would surely result. But by now there's maybe enough traffic to warrant it despite the noise. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 17:46:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17113; Tue, 10 Oct 95 17:46:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20933; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:44:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:41:42 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20748; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:41:40 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.2) id RAA26658; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:39:00 -0400 From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:41:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199510102141.RAA21708@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWave 2.0 for OS/2 Connect Hi Thinkpad users, As this is my first post to this mailing list, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Shinichi Sakata. I am a relatively new user of Thinkpad 755CX and using it for my research activities. My machine has a Kingston's 16MB memory card and 3Com's Ethernet card on it. I am using OS/2 connect as the OS of the machine. This environment is basically very comfortable for me. But I've got a problem recently. I tried to install MWave 2.0 support for Warp on my machine a few days ago. But "setup.exe", the installation program of MWave 2.0 for OS/2, aborted before finishing installation. When it aborts, it leaves ISDEL running in the background. Because it seems that most people are happy with MWave 2.0, I am really curious. So, I have tried the following: 1. Remove the memory card and the ethernet card from the machine, then run setup.exe. (This was really painful. It tool forever to start OS/2 connect with 8MB memory.) 2. Apply the corrective service disketts I found at IBM's site, then run setup.exe. 3. Remove all network related lines from config.sys and restart the machine. Then run setup.exe. None of the above worked. Now I have no idea what to try next. Can anybody help me? Thanks in advance, Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@econ.lsa.umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 10 20:25:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27889; Tue, 10 Oct 95 20:25:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03646; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:22:06 -0400 Received: from vms1.cc.uop.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03155; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 20:22:03 -0400 Received: by vms1.cc.uop.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 83; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:21:51 PST Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 17:21:49 PST From: JOHNNY Reply-To: ggomez@vms1.cc.uop.edu To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <00997ABD.5918C9D4.83@vms1.cc.uop.edu> Subject: Difference between warp and warp Connect Hi i was wondering if someone could tell me the some of the differences between Warp Red Spine and Warp Connect. Is there anyway to upgrade to Connect in someway. What i'm looking foe is the ability to use a PCMCIA Ethernet card to connect to one of the servers at school. At some of the study rooms there are 10 Base-T connections inthe room. I'm not too up on Networking so if this is possible or not if someone could shead some light on this i'd appreciate itvery much... I know this isn't an OS/2 group, so go ahead and flame me. I dont't care Opinions are opinions, but I've noticed that people have been a great help to me and other with their ThinkPad problems, Thanks in advance for the help.. -john From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 01:52:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19929; Wed, 11 Oct 95 01:52:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26562; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:45:13 -0400 Received: from coyote.channel1.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26395; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:45:11 -0400 Received: from channel1.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by coyote.channel1.com (8.6.9/8.6.4) with UUCP id BAA23337 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:48:03 -0400 Received: by channel1 (NetXpress 2.02) with UUCP id D73D4F; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:06:15 -0640 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750c Sound Settings From: akiro@channel1.com (Akiro) Message-Id: <40.1305473.700@channel1.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:19:00 -0640 Organization: Channel 1(R) 617-864-0100 Info Subject: 750c Sound Settings Hi, I wanted to use the game called HERITEC on my TP 750c. There are many sound options and settings (port, channel...etc), can someone please help. Thank you. Akiro From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 03:16:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23329; Wed, 11 Oct 95 03:16:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03455; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:15:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:13:18 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03253; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:13:12 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id DAA17414; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:13:01 -0400 To: brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Path: news From: Wai-Shan Lam Newsgroups: brown.lists.tp750 Subject: Re: 750c Sound Settings Date: 11 Oct 1995 07:13:01 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <45fqpt$gvu@cocoa.brown.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: bootp-30w.andrews.brown.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) To: akiro@channel1.com akiro@channel1.com (Akiro) wrote: >Subject: 750c Sound Settings > >Hi, > >I wanted to use the game called HERITEC on my TP 750c. There are many >sound options and settings (port, channel...etc), can someone please >help. Thank you. > >Akiro Is it a DOS game? If it is, the chance is that it will NOT work. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 06:52:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03894; Wed, 11 Oct 95 06:52:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23942; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:47:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:44:47 -0400 Received: from cocoa.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23665; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:44:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by cocoa.brown.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA23897 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 06:44:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA08595; Wed, 11 Oct 95 06:44:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 06:44:52 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510111044.AA08595@nile.gnat.com> To: Wai_Shan_Lam@brown.edu, akiro@channel1.com, brown-lists-tp750@cocoa.brown.edu Subject: Re: 750c Sound Settings "is it a DOS game? If it is, the chance is that it will NOT work" that's too strong, lots of DOS games work! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 08:27:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08411; Wed, 11 Oct 95 08:27:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29430; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:25:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:23:10 -0400 Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28982; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:23:08 -0400 Received: from novlpr.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:22:37 +0100 Received: From EDBSENT1/WORKQUEUE1 by novlpr.uib.no via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.951011132217.288; 11 Oct 95 13:22:37 -100 Message-Id: From: Thor +ivind Jensen Organization: AORG.UIB.NO To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:25:07 MET Subject: Subscribe Reply-To: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Subscribe ! I have been left out after some reorganization of the mail system, but will try to participate again From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 09:58:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13209; Wed, 11 Oct 95 09:58:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08214; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:57:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:51:22 -0400 Received: from cyber1.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07578; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:51:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199510111351.JAA07578@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: PCMCIA memory cards To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Randall King" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know who manufactures/sells memory cards that fit in the PCMCIA slots in the sides of the 75x machine? Thanks, Randall From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 11:25:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17847; Wed, 11 Oct 95 11:25:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16023; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:20:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:18:09 -0400 Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15860; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:18:02 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0t32u6-0001c0C; Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:17 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:17:09 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:16:41 GMT+2 From: "Adrian Schutte" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:16:38 GMT+2 Subject: Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <16C50976672@netman.eskom.co.za> subscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 11:38:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19407; Wed, 11 Oct 95 11:38:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17114; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:26:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:25:33 -0400 Received: from duvi.eskom.co.za by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16933; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:25:19 -0400 Received: from netman.eskom.co.za by duvi.eskom.co.za with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0t330n-0001bIC; Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:24 RSA Received: from MP2NFS02/SpoolDir by netman.eskom.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:24:04 GMT+2 Received: from SpoolDir by MP2NFS02 (Mercury 1.21); 11 Oct 95 17:23:55 GMT+2 From: "Richard Ellerbrock" Organization: ESKOM Information Technology To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:23:49 GMT+2 Subject: Packet driver Reply-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Confirm-Reading-To: richarde@netman.eskom.co.za X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <16C6F894E19@netman.eskom.co.za> I am looking for a packet driver for the IBM PCMCIA Ethercard II. Does such a beast exist? -- richarde@netman.eskom.co.za Richard Ellerbrock (ECNE) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 17:35:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13397; Wed, 11 Oct 95 17:35:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29078; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:31:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:27:22 -0400 Received: from edrtg.ed.ornl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28514; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:27:21 -0400 Received: (from rtg@localhost) by edrtg.ed.ornl.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) id RAA18863; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:29:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:29:14 -0400 From: Rick Goeltz Message-Id: <199510112129.RAA18863@edrtg.ed.ornl.gov> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously Reply-To: rtg@ornl.gov TP'ers: We just took delivery of a 755cx (24 MB, 3rd party; 810 HD). Right out of the box, OS2 would not boot; just a looping boot attempt. We booted from a floppy and found the os2 program on the HD to set the boot option to DOS, which is what we wanted anyway. DOS boots fine. Windows starts and runs but will spontaneously reboot. I detect no pattern in this behaviour. Next, I plan to run HW diagnostics and then reinstall Windows. Any suggestions are most welcome. Please respond directly and I will summarize. Thanks. Rick rtg@ornl.gov From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 11 18:34:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18647; Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:34:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06429; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:28:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:26:52 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06045; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 18:26:48 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA23372; Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:26:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 95 18:26:53 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510112226.AA23372@nile.gnat.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, rtg@ornl.gov Subject: Re: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously I run OS/2 all the time on a CX, no problems. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 02:26:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23579; Thu, 12 Oct 95 02:26:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18366; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:24:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:16 -0400 Received: from sentinel.synapse.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17745; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:14 -0400 Received: from violin-06.synapse.net (violin-06.synapse.net [199.84.52.232]) by sentinel.synapse.net (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id CAA19832 for ; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 02:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199510120621.CAA19832@sentinel.synapse.net> X-Sender: phong@pop.synapse.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: phong@phsmc.synapse.net (Patrick Hong) Subject: Re: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously >We just took delivery of a 755cx (24 MB, 3rd party; 810 HD). Right >out of the box, OS2 would not boot; just a looping boot attempt. We >booted from a floppy and found the os2 program on the HD to set the >boot option to DOS, which is what we wanted anyway. > >DOS boots fine. Windows starts and runs but will spontaneously >reboot. I detect no pattern in this behaviour. > >Next, I plan to run HW diagnostics and then reinstall Windows. > >Any suggestions are most welcome. Please respond directly and I will >summarize. > I experienced similar problems with one of my computers (not a notebook but an IBM PS/2 Model 80) when I had mixed the memory types (parity versus non-parity). To say the least, it caused me great pain until I finally managed to diagnose it since I lost quite a bit of work (corrupted files, etc.). The symptons were very much as you described, continual rebooting and the like. The reason why the memory wasn't diagnosed with an error with one of my memory testing programs is that the system continually powers up the memory chips and doesn't have to "refresh" the memory during wait states. I know this isn't directly related but I thought it might help. I have a 755CX with a 16MB IC DRAM card from Kingston and I've had no problems what so ever. Good Luck! ______________________________________________________________________ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. phong@phsmc.synapse.net (613) 769-1544 ______________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 04:18:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00301; Thu, 12 Oct 95 04:18:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06715; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:14:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:12:14 -0400 Received: from cc.tuat.ac.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06380; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 04:11:58 -0400 From: Received: (from russ@localhost) by cc.tuat.ac.jp (8.6.9+2.4Wb/3.3W9 mail01[95/01/23]) id RAA02736; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:12:59 +0900 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:12:59 +0900 Message-Id: <199510120812.RAA02736@cc.tuat.ac.jp> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Correct list for 701c? Have not actually got it yet, but was wondering if this is the appropriate list for the 701c model Thinkpad? The subscription notification I received stated several models, but did not mention this one. Thanks, Russ ************************************************************************ "Let yourself go with the disease, be with it, keep company with it - this is the way to be rid of it." - Bruce Lee russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp http://www.coe.uncc.edu/~ralunsfo From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 10:42:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25746; Thu, 12 Oct 95 10:42:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25145; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:34:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:27:17 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24104; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa11003; 12 Oct 95 10:26 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA04610; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:26:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: <199510120812.RAA02736@cc.tuat.ac.jp> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp wrote: > Have not actually got it yet, but was wondering if this is the appropriate > list for the 701c model Thinkpad? The subscription notification I received > stated several models, but did not mention this one. I'm in a very similar situation - i have a 701cs on order, and looking a forum for the machine found this mailing list. I seem to recall seeing mention of it being for discussion of all thinkpads, but then see mention specifically of 75X models elsewhere. What's the prevailing view on this? Since i'm so eager to explore some questions, i'm going to go ahead and ask - plz excuse me if in fact this is not the right place! My basic question is, which OS should i run on my thinkpad for maximum comfort and interoperability? Ultimately, i want to be able to do easy file sharing between my work systems - unix, mostly suns, all on ethernet - and my laptop. I have some familiarity with DOS/Windows, but much much more with Unix. And i'm not very happy with the operation of after-the- fact tcp/ip packages i've seen for DOS/Windows. I'm seriously considering putting linux up on the thinkpad. I've heard it should not be hard to install it on the 701cs (i'll have a 720MB disk, which should help for room). I've seen laptop linux's which had problems with power management - couldn't suspend - but i gather that's been resolved, recently. ? I'm interested in knowing if anyone on the list knows the disposition of linux on 701cs machines - is the install fairly straightforward, will it avail all the peripheral resources (IR ports, PCMCIA SCSI and ethernet cards, power mgmt, ...) etc? Alternately, i've started considering going with OS/2 warp (OS/2 2.11, warp v3 is supposed to come preinstalled). I've heard OS/2 is a pretty capable OS, and a machine here at work has the OS/2 with the tcp/ip stuff - part of OS/2 Connect, i presume - which looks like it gives pretty complete tcp/ip capabilities - telnet, ftp, NFS, X, etc. My question here is, does OS/2 Connect come as part of the OS/2 bundled with the thinkpads, or is it something i would have to buy extra? Considering it would just be a trial use of OS/2 in the first place, to see if i like it, i'm reluctant to buy an incidental package to get it viable... (I tried OS/2 a bit, and have yet another question. The machine i tried has the tcpip stuff - i got it so i could do a remote login, and run an X client on the display, etc - cool. But when i was remotely logged in to the OS/2 shell, any 'help' i issued got popped into windows on the system console - aargh. Is there any way to override this? It reflects a presumption that people will *not* be doing remote logins, and i'm concerned that this assumption is buried deep in the system design. That would be a bad thing...) Anyway, any information would be appreciated. Again, sorry if 701 issues are not relevant here! ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us, 703 620-8990 x259 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 11:22:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28502; Thu, 12 Oct 95 11:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00686; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:15:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:51 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00500; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:49 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01850; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:44 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Ken Manheimer wrote: > resolved, recently. ? I'm interested in knowing if anyone on the list > knows the disposition of linux on 701cs machines - is the install fairly > straightforward, will it avail all the peripheral resources (IR ports, > PCMCIA SCSI and ethernet cards, power mgmt, ...) etc? I was just browsing the linux hardware newsgroup yesterday. One person report he had it running just fine on a TP701C - PCMCIA ethernet and SCSI, built-in modem, and soundblaster emulation all works fine. Dunno about power management or IR ports. He had it running 1024x768x8bit virtual on the LCD, and 1024x768x8bit on a CRT. Your machine being a CS might give you some problems. > Alternately, i've started considering going with OS/2 warp (OS/2 2.11, > warp v3 is supposed to come preinstalled). I've heard OS/2 is a pretty > capable OS, and a machine here at work has the OS/2 with the tcp/ip stuff > - part of OS/2 Connect, i presume - which looks like it gives pretty > complete tcp/ip capabilities - telnet, ftp, NFS, X, etc. You should think about what programs you're going to use. Linux has a much lower overhead for stuff like telnet, ftp, emacs, etc. I looked at the programs I used under OS/2 and found 95% of my time was in ports of unix tools, so I switched to Linux. With OS/2 and 12MB on my TP750, running just the X server and emacs started heavy swapping. Under Linux it's *slightly* better (most of the overhead comes from X - without X I can start emacs several times without swapping, which I couldn't do with OS/2). ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:10:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11628; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:10:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19591; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:01:25 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19292; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:00:34 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:57:33 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 18:57:30 +0100 Message-Id: <50173.9510121757@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Why does my machine being a TP750Cs (emphasis on the Cs) create a possible problem? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:14:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12047; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:14:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20341; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:11:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:10:08 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20147; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:10:04 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA02074; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:09:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: <50173.9510121757@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > Why does my machine being a TP750Cs (emphasis on the Cs) create > a possible problem? Dual scans typically keep two copies of the screen in VRAM. The XFree driver under Linux must be able to do this or work around it for your screen to work correctly. i.e. a driver/configuration for a 701c will not work on a 701cs. The 750/755/360 series uses the Western Digital 90C24 video chipset, and the XFree drivers for it (supposedly) automatically configure for a dual scan. The 701 uses the Chips & Technologies 65545(?). I'm not certain about dual-scan support with the C&T. So the fact that someone has got XFree running on a 701c does not guarantee it'll work on a 701cs. That's why I said it might give you problems. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:29:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13159; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:29:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21410; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:23:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:22:24 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21331; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:22:18 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa15896; 12 Oct 95 14:22 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA00777; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:21:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: "John H. Kim" Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Excellent information - thanks! On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, John H. Kim wrote: > I was just browsing the linux hardware newsgroup yesterday. One person Ah - i had only check the comp.linux.setup group, for a few day. I'll watch the .hardware group, now. > power management or IR ports. He had it running 1024x768x8bit virtual > on the LCD, and 1024x768x8bit on a CRT. Your machine being a CS might > give you some problems. I guess if i don't find someone else who's identified the x configuration, i'll have to locate the appropriate chipset in the config notes and struggle with getting X going, as i did last time. (At least this time i'll have the hardware manuals identifying the chipset, etc!) > [Some substantial info about difficulties of using OS/2.] With the sort of encouraging info about using linux that you mentioned, and the troubles with using OS/2, it sounds like linux is worth aiming for. I'm surprised that OS/2 is ungainly when it comes to resources, but after playing with it some more, i'm not real thrilled about the user interface. Seems best to just go with my familiar window managers, X, emacs, and all the stuff that comes with linux... Thanks much for the info. ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us, 703 620-8990 x259 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 14:34:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13198; Thu, 12 Oct 95 14:34:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22272; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:31:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:31:21 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.deq.state.la.us by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22145; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:31:19 -0400 From: Received: by gatekeeper.deq.state.la.us; id AA09096; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:32:20 -0500 Received: from vmsbridge1.deq.state.la.us by mail.deq.state.la.us; (5.65/1.1.8.2/01Nov94-0715PM) id AA21500; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:32:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by osf601.deq.state.la.us; (5.65/1.1.8.2/15May95-0256PM) id AA14877; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 13:33:46 -0500 Message-Id: <9510121833.AA14877@osf601.deq.state.la.us> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP755CD with NT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 13:33:46 -0500 X-Mts: smtp Help! I am trying to run Windows NT on a Thinkpad 755CD with 40 MB RAM. I can only get 16 colors under NT. Does anyone know what the fix for this is? I have heard that there is one, but IBM wants to charge my $35.00 to tell me how to do it. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Daniel Smith ******************************************************************************** * Daniel D. Smith ** Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality * * UNIX Systems Manager / ** GIS Center * * Internet Security Mgr. ** P.O. Box 82231, Baton Rouge, LA 70884 * * daniel@deq.state.la.us ** Telephone (504) 765-0086 Facsimile (504) 765-0097 * ******************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 16:44:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23551; Thu, 12 Oct 95 16:44:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10451; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:41:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:38:37 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10040; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 16:38:33 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:38:02 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:38:03 +0100 Message-Id: <158644.9510122038@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, jokim@tuna.mit.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US ah, i see -- i checked this out before buying the system -- linux has an xfree code which handles the 750Cs. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 17:31:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26633; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:31:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17055; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:31:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:38 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16816; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:36 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02273; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:29:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jim accidently sent this to me instead of the list: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:41:53 -8 From: Jim Lee To: "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? John H. Kim wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > > > Why does my machine being a TP750Cs (emphasis on the Cs) create > > a possible problem? > > Dual scans typically keep two copies of the screen in VRAM. The XFree > driver under Linux must be able to do this or work around it for your > screen to work correctly. i.e. a driver/configuration for a 701c > will not work on a 701cs. The 750/755/360 series uses the Western > Digital 90C24 video chipset, and the XFree drivers for it (supposedly) > automatically configure for a dual scan. The 701 uses the Chips & > Technologies 65545(?). I'm not certain about dual-scan support with > the C&T. > > So the fact that someone has got XFree running on a 701c does not > guarantee it'll work on a 701cs. That's why I said it might give you > problems. Hi all, I'm apparently the person you are referring to as getting X working on a 701C. Just to clear up any confusion, I have *both* a 701C and a 701Cs. I configured X on the 701C, swapped the hard drives, and it (X) ran flawlessly on the 701Cs without any changes. This suggests that the XFree86 SVGA driver has built-in dual scan support for the C&T 65545. I'm not sure about Western Digital support - my only Western Digital 90Cxx machines ('755CX's) are all active matrix... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 17:51:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28166; Thu, 12 Oct 95 17:51:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19737; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:36 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19448; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:35 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA02304; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:49:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Ken Manheimer wrote: > > [Some substantial info about difficulties of using OS/2.] > > With the sort of encouraging info about using linux that you mentioned, > and the troubles with using OS/2, it sounds like linux is worth aiming > for. I'm surprised that OS/2 is ungainly when it comes to resources, but I don't think it's because OS/2 is resource hungry, but because OS/2 is not unix and running unix programs has the overhead of the ported unix tools (which don't really create native OS/2 code). The emacs binary under OS/2 was almost 2MB while it's under 1MB for Linux. It also loads a *lot* faster under Linux. I do miss the ability to run just about any DOS program under the sun though. The irony of all this is that I sent a letter to Keith Moore saying I vote that this list not expand to cover the TP760/701. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 20:58:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12466; Thu, 12 Oct 95 20:58:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05886; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:55:28 -0400 Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05611; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:55:25 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29646; Thu, 12 Oct 95 19:03:56 CDT Date: Thu, 12 Oct 95 19:03:55 CDT Message-Id: <9510130003.AA29646@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? >On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 russ@cc.tuat.ac.jp wrote: > >My question here is, does OS/2 Connect come as part of the OS/2 bundled >with the thinkpads, or is it something i would have to buy extra? >Considering it would just be a trial use of OS/2 in the first place, to >see if i like it, i'm reluctant to buy an incidental package to get it >viable... OS/2 Warp v3 comes preloaded on most of the higher end ThinkPad's. If you want Warp Connect you will have to buy it and install it on your own (unless your ThinkPad vendor will preload it for you). There is not an upgrade price for Warp Connect. The line I heard is that "...the price is already pretty low so we can't afford to give any further breaks". Also keep in mind that Warp Connect only comes on CD-ROM. I have been trying Warp v3 with my 2 month old 755cx and am slowly coming to appreciate its power. Rather quirkly and w/ a nasty learning curve, it is certainly a legitimate alternative to Win 3.1 and that other, more recent, release from Redmond. If there were more GOOD native applications I would betempted to dump my MS Office and run OS/2 almost exclusively. Not a computer person by training so can't answer your TCP/IP questions. Great source for Thinkpad Info, beside this list, is CompuServe's ThinkPad forum. I couldn't live without it and it is my only real reason for staying w/ CIS. Regards, Joe Wilson Badger Valve & Fitting Milwaukee, WI 755cx running Warp v3 & Win 3.11 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 12 21:30:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14192; Thu, 12 Oct 95 21:30:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09160; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:30:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:29:26 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09074; Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:29:24 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:28:30 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:28:28 +0100 Message-Id: <60481.9510130128@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: josephw@inc.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Correct list for 701c? Could you please describe Warp Connect? I had the old TCP/IP 2.0 system for OS/2 2.1 -- which included TCP/IP transport, network card drivers, programmer's libraries, TCP/IP clients, X11R4, and Xlib. What is included under Warp Connect? Does Warp Connect support Ethernet as well as PPP, SLIP, CSLIP? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 01:06:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06430; Fri, 13 Oct 95 01:06:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00871; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:05:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:01:48 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00666; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:01:45 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:01:39 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:01:38 +0100 Message-Id: <40059.9510130501@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 750Cs vs. Adaptec APA-1460 vs. Toshiba XM-3201 >Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.periphs.pcmcia >Subject: PCMCIA/SCSI -- Adaptec APA-1460 -- Thinkpad 750Cs -- Toshiba CD-ROM > >Well, I just installed Adaptec's APA-1460 SlimSCSI PCMCIA SCSI-II card >in my Thinkpad 750Cs. It works just great with an antique Maxtor 8760S, >a newer Maxtor 340 MB drive, and an Archive Viper 150S. Disk transfer >rate is about 1 to 1.6 MByte/sec. Tape transfer rate is fast enough to >keep the tape drive streaming. In essence, I don't see any significant >speed degredation compared to my ISA bus Adaptec 1542B and CF cards. > >However, while Adaptec's EZ-SCSI setup routine and while Adaptec's SCSI >interrogator software both see my Toshiba XM-3201 CD-ROM (perhaps the >grandfather of most modern CD-ROM drives -- compatible with most OS's: >DOS, Windows, SCO UNIX, 386BSD, Linux, OS/2, Windows/NT, etc) -- their >ASPI2DOS.SYS driver software only sees the Maxtor and the Archive Tape >-- ASPI2DOS.SYS cannot see the Toshiba even if I turn off synchronous >negotiation (and turn off everything else which can be turned off with >the command line switches). > >Does anyone know how to get Adaptec APA-1460 ASPI2DOS.SYS to speak with >my Toshiba XM-3201 during system startup? > >Thanks, AJ Annala > >Dr. Alexander J. Annala >Senior Research Fellow >LMP/Pharmacology >University College >Gower Street >London WC1E 6BT >United Kingdom > >FAX: +44 (171)380-7245 >EMAIL: a.annala@ucl.ac.uk From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 02:58:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12451; Fri, 13 Oct 95 02:58:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07820; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:57:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:55:32 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07607; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 02:55:29 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:55:23 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:55:24 +0100 Message-Id: <104825.9510130655@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) I would be interested in knowing what manuals are available for end users (User Manual), programmers/hardware people (Technical Reference Manuals), and maintenance (Hardware Maintenance Manuals) for TP750's. IBM UK doesn't seem to be able to generate such a list. Colleagues at SCO suggested each TP750 modem is significantly different. I'd like to understand these differences and learn more about my Thinkpad. If you have a manual for TP750 series (even if it isn't 750Cs) please drop me a note so I can add it to my list. If you have any manuals for the TP750Cs (or more generically TP750 serienys) and don't want them any more -- drop me a note and I'd like to see about buying it from you. Thanks, AJ Annala From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 05:18:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21481; Fri, 13 Oct 95 05:18:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28574; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 05:18:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 05:15:24 -0400 Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27516; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 05:15:09 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:14:50 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:14:49 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:14:49 +0100 Message-Id: <9510130914.AA07322@octave.chorus.fr> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) > > I would be interested in knowing what manuals are available for end > users (User Manual), programmers/hardware people (Technical Reference > Manuals), and maintenance (Hardware Maintenance Manuals) for TP750's. > IBM UK doesn't seem to be able to generate such a list. Colleagues > at SCO suggested each TP750 modem is significantly different. I'd > like to understand these differences and learn more about my Thinkpad. > > If you have a manual for TP750 series (even if it isn't 750Cs) please > drop me a note so I can add it to my list. If you have any manuals for > the TP750Cs (or more generically TP750 serienys) and don't want them any > more -- drop me a note and I'd like to see about buying it from you. > I can't help you on that, sorry. But I take this opportunity to ask Technical or Hardware Reference Manual owners if they can help me. It's now been a long time since I wonder how the magic PS2.exe command works. My goal is to get the hardware information required so as to be able to port this command under Linux which I ran on my Thinkpad for months. Thanks ! PS: My thinkpad is a 360CSE -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 06:27:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25061; Fri, 13 Oct 95 06:27:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11193; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:26:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:40 -0400 Received: from po4.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10768; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:38 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po4.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA00465; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:33 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ippen.ce.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ippen.ce.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VUI.Andrew.3.70.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.ippen.ce.cmu.edu.rs.aix31 via MS.5.6.ippen.ce.cmu.edu.rs_aix3; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Curtis P. Yeske" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Cc: "Curtis P. Yeske" , "Daniel R. Rehak" The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK show only 328MB. Is this correct? The version of FDISK is OS2, and as far as I can tell there is only 328MB available before formatting. Curt Thanks in advance. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 06:45:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26093; Fri, 13 Oct 95 06:45:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12000; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:44:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:43:21 -0400 Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11936; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:43:10 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:42:51 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:42:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 11:42:50 +0100 Message-Id: <9510131042.AA00863@octave.chorus.fr> To: cy13+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Hi Curt, > > The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK > show only 328MB. Is this correct? > I have a Thinkpad 360CSE with a 340MB disk and (if I remember) it shows the same value. This comes from the way you count mega bytes (1000 or 1024 Kb) and if you give the space before or after formatting. Regards, -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 07:31:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29809; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:31:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14015; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:30:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:27:40 -0400 Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13828; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:27:39 -0400 Received: from dramsey.ro.com (ts1p4.ro.com [205.216.92.24]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA32358 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:34:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 06:34:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199510131134.GAA32358@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu (IBM 750 newsgroup) From: Don Ramsey Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750Cs vs. Adaptec APA-1460 vs. Toshiba XM-3201 What OS are you running? I have the earlier version of the SlimSCSI and could never get it to work during boot-up of OS/2. That OS does not get the PCMCIA drivers in place early enough to run PCMCIA SCSI controllers. This is especially aggravating if you are trying to install OS/2 from CDROM. I had bought the Trantor parallel port SCSI controller (MA-348) prior to the PCMCIA controller. I had intended to sell it after I bought the faster PCMCIA version but, in the end, I kept it because you can use it to install OS/2 from CDROM. I am using the Toshiba XM-3401 with my PCMCIA controller with no problems. Don at dramsey@ro.com At 06:01 AM 10/13/95 +0100, you wrote: > >>Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.periphs.scsi,alt.periphs.pcmcia >>Subject: PCMCIA/SCSI -- Adaptec APA-1460 -- Thinkpad 750Cs -- Toshiba CD-ROM >> >>Well, I just installed Adaptec's APA-1460 SlimSCSI PCMCIA SCSI-II card >>in my Thinkpad 750Cs. It works just great with an antique Maxtor 8760S, >>a newer Maxtor 340 MB drive, and an Archive Viper 150S. Disk transfer >>rate is about 1 to 1.6 MByte/sec. Tape transfer rate is fast enough to >>keep the tape drive streaming. In essence, I don't see any significant >>speed degredation compared to my ISA bus Adaptec 1542B and CF cards. >> >>However, while Adaptec's EZ-SCSI setup routine and while Adaptec's SCSI >>interrogator software both see my Toshiba XM-3201 CD-ROM (perhaps the >>grandfather of most modern CD-ROM drives -- compatible with most OS's: >>DOS, Windows, SCO UNIX, 386BSD, Linux, OS/2, Windows/NT, etc) -- their >>ASPI2DOS.SYS driver software only sees the Maxtor and the Archive Tape >>-- ASPI2DOS.SYS cannot see the Toshiba even if I turn off synchronous >>negotiation (and turn off everything else which can be turned off with >>the command line switches). >> >>Does anyone know how to get Adaptec APA-1460 ASPI2DOS.SYS to speak with >>my Toshiba XM-3201 during system startup? >> >>Thanks, AJ Annala >> >>Dr. Alexander J. Annala >>Senior Research Fellow >>LMP/Pharmacology >>University College >>Gower Street >>London WC1E 6BT >>United Kingdom >> >>FAX: +44 (171)380-7245 >>EMAIL: a.annala@ucl.ac.uk > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 07:45:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29884; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:45:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14973; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:44:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:44:22 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14894; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 07:44:21 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5300; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:38:32 -0700 Message-Id: <9510131438.AA5300@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id ED66D3D2ACC777F585256254003F6D15; Fri, 13 Oct 95 07:38:31 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 13 Oct 95 7:33:51 EDT Subject: Re: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK show only 328MB. Is this correct?...." ~~~~~ here we go again.... Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 08:19:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00357; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:19:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17486; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:19:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:19:09 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17423; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:18:50 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com by micros.micros.com id ab05793; 13 Oct 95 8:18 EDT Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) id AA813597543; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:16:58 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:16:58 EDT From: Josh Gerber Message-Id: <9509138135.AA813597543@smtplink.micros.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives Author: Michael Verne/VENTANA at SMTPLINK-Micros Date: 10/13/95 7:46 AM "....The original TP750Cs came with disks that were stamped "340MB", but FDISK show only 328MB. Is this correct?...." ~~~~~ here we go again.... Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 08:42:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03492; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21057; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:41:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:39:44 -0400 Received: from micros.micros.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20564; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:39:18 -0400 Received: from smtplink.micros.com by micros.micros.com id aa05895; 13 Oct 95 8:38 EDT Received: from ccMail by smtplink.micros.com (SMTPLINK V2.10.08) id AA813598743; Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:35:10 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 08:35:10 EDT From: Josh Gerber Message-Id: <9509138135.AA813598743@smtplink.micros.com> To: Josh Gerber , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[3]: Original TP750Cs "340MB" disk drives From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 09:12:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07378; Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:12:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25983; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:10:01 -0400 Received: from vnet.IBM.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25328; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:09:58 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199510131309.JAA25328@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ATLVMIC1.VNET.IBM.COM by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 4617; Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:09:51 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:09:50 EDT To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: NO SUBJECT From: Brian T. Tucker bt@vnet.ibm.com IBM Southern Area Open Systems Center 1600 Riveredge Parkway Atlanta GA 30328 Subject: >Could you please describe Warp Connect? I had the old TCP/IP 2.0 system >for OS/2 2.1 -- which included TCP/IP transport, network card drivers, >programmer's libraries, TCP/IP clients, X11R4, and Xlib. What is included >under Warp Connect? Does Warp Connect support Ethernet as well as PPP, >SLIP, CSLIP? Warp connect contains IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 V3.0, not otherwise available. Also contains NDIS drivers and MPTS (nee LAPS) for many NICs, including ethernet and tokenring. usual clients, but not DNS nor NFS without getting those seperately (still at v2.0) and applying APARs. I believe X11 to be there (i didn't install it), programmers toolkit is still extra, and it supports only SLIP (although a PPP stack is available at ftp.ibm.net). It will support up to eight SLIP connections. thank you, Brian 404-644-5231 (Tie 237)(Fax 644-5284) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 10:16:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10879; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:16:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04114; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:15:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:13:12 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03760; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:13:04 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27401; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:17:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: eranian@chorus.fr Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) In-Reply-To: <9510130914.AA07322@octave.chorus.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 1995 eranian@chorus.fr wrote: > I can't help you on that, sorry. But I take this opportunity to ask > Technical or Hardware Reference Manual owners if they can help me. > > It's now been a long time since I wonder how the magic PS2.exe command > works. My goal is to get the hardware information required so as to be > able to port this command under Linux which I ran on my Thinkpad for months. _Good luck_! I tried to get this info out of IBM once - if any game of phonemailmaze that lasts over an hour can be called only _once_. My hardware manual doesn't talk about any software interrupts or operations, and I don't think they're in any hurry to pass that info out to anyone but major OS vendors. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 10:41:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12132; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:41:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07421; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:40:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:36:55 -0400 Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06868; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:36:47 -0400 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:36:30 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 13 Oct 95 15:36:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 15:36:29 +0100 Message-Id: <9510131436.AA03886@octave.chorus.fr> To: dwhite@shadow.net Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu > > > I can't help you on that, sorry. But I take this opportunity to ask > > Technical or Hardware Reference Manual owners if they can help me. > > > > It's now been a long time since I wonder how the magic PS2.exe command > > works. My goal is to get the hardware information required so as to be > > able to port this command under Linux which I ran on my Thinkpad for months. > > _Good luck_! I tried to get this info out of IBM once - if any game of > phonemailmaze that lasts over an hour can be called only _once_. My > hardware manual doesn't talk about any software interrupts or operations, > and I don't think they're in any hurry to pass that info out to anyone > but major OS vendors. > But don't think it is possible to get this information using some kind of reverse engineering on the DOS command. We can use a debugger and run the program step by step. I did not try this, it's just a idea.... -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 10:54:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12841; Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:54:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09083; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:53:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:52:41 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08971; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:52:10 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:43:15 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:43:11 +0100 Message-Id: <57251.9510131443@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dramsey@ro.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750Cs vs. Adaptec APA-1460 vs. Toshiba XM-3201 Right now I am running PC-DOS 5.02 and Windows 3.1 which were shipped with the TP750Cs. The Adaptec installs fine, the SCSI drivers load fine, they see the Maxtor and Archive Tape (they list them on a baner during startup -- but ASPI2DOS.SYS doesn't see the Toshiba XM3201 (which is mist peculiarly seen by both Install and SCSI Probe). From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 12:44:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21458; Fri, 13 Oct 95 12:44:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23192; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:44:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:41:11 -0400 Received: from smtp.interramp.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23002; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:41:08 -0400 From: Received: from .interramp.com by smtp.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id MAA03498; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:41:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 10:38:54 PDT Subject: subscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon ARM_55, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hello, I would like to substribe to your tp750 mailing list. Thanks Fred From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 18:04:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18490; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:04:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29947; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:03:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:00:03 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29434; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:59:56 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA09297; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:51 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:51 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510132200.WAA09297@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: dwhite@shadow.net, eranian@chorus.fr Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu If anybody has any luck on TP manuals (especially TP755CX), please let me know, too. I wanted some information to help in using the 800x600 display, APM, and DSP with Linux. I spent more than eight hours on the phone (much of it on hold), and talked to over a dozen IBM'ers, and got very little information. Apparently, there is a reference manual, but it is designed for people doing component-swap sort of hardware maintenance. Here is what I learned from one IBMer who was friendly: | There is a Technical Reference manual for each of the ThinkPad | models, but it doesn't go into the level of detail that you | require, partly to prevent users from hosing their system. I did have some success in getting documentation from Western Digital, on their WD90C24 video controller chip. However, it is not as much help as I would have hoped, since I don't know how the chip is configured in the TP755CX. --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 18:26:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20486; Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:26:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02787; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:26:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:25:21 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02645; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:25:20 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA09419; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:26:28 GMT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:26:28 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510132226.WAA09419@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: User & Technical Reference Manuals for TP750 series (750Cs?) For what it is worth, here is some more information. I asked about the existence of a BIOS interface manual for the TP755CX. This is the reply: | I am afraid there is no such exhaustive manual that covers all the | BIOS calls that the 755CX supports. As a rule we do not publish calls | that are subject to change from product to product, to avoid customer | confusion and possible compatibility problems ("my program worked fine | on model A, why does it break on model B?".) I also received the following warning concerning calling the BIOS >from Linux: | ... if you invoke VESA BIOS, it will attempt to read the display | refresh rate data file \IBMVESA\FRATE.DAT (described in | VINSTALL.DOC in that directory) via DOS INT 21H file system calls, | so it will only work in DOS unless you somehow fake out INT 21H - | in other words, you may have to do the setup from within a DOS | emulator box or some unique virtual 8086 thread with a trap on INT | 21H... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 19:16:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23448; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:16:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05706; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:14:06 -0400 Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05484; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:14:01 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA06159; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:13:00 +0100 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22779; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:13:19 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0t3tEc-000DINC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:09 MET Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:09:49 +0100 (MET) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Expieriences with Caldera Preview II Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Folks, I just got the Caldera Preview II and installed it, it's really cool. Because I have no CD-ROM-Drive, we put the CD-ROM in another LinuX-Computer, got the boot-disk from the CD-ROM, started the Thinkpad (it's a TP 370C, 12 MB RAM, 540MB Drive), got lilo with floppy=thinkpad (as usual). First, the program detects automatically the PCMCIA-Support and -card. Second, there was _no_ problem with installing the whole thing via NFS. It has worked 2 hours to install, but it is good. No problems with configuring, (except LiLo; I haven't set it up this time). The window of Caldera is nice, it has Arena as WebBrowser and you can go into Novell NetWare-Server without problems. So, first impression: very good Ciao, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ Rince@IRC "Connecting to Reality" (Reality's Smart Investor gives this message when logging on) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 20:03:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27028; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:03:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08209; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:03:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:02:08 -0400 Received: from deneb.dfn.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07872; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:00:20 -0400 Received: from unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (rzgw.rz.fh-hannover.de) by deneb.dfn.de (4.1/SMI-4.2) id AA06289; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:59:37 +0100 Received: from bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de by unixserv.rz.fh-hannover.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21775; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:59:49 +0100 Received: by bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0t3txc-000DINC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 00:56 MET Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:56:19 +0100 (MET) From: Hanno Wagner To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Lilo with cylinder>1024 on TP? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm sure this is a FAQ-Question, but I can't solve it... I have a hard disk with at least 1047 cylinders, and LinuX starts well if I use loadlin with DOS. But if I try to use LILO, it just brings me 'LI' and the a lot of '0101010101', but nothing more. What have I to do? fdisk sais, the hard disk has 1047 cylinder, 16 heads, and 63 sectors. -----cut fdisk----- Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 1047 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1 508 256000+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(253, 31, 63) should be (253, 15, 63) /dev/hda2 509 509 1016 256032 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 1017 1017 1047 15624 82 Linux swap ----cut fdisk----- any suggestions? Ciao, Hanno -- Hanno Wagner, Student der Fachhochschule Hannover, Fachbereich IK URL: http://www.bid.fh-hannover.de:80/~wagner/ Rince@IRC "Connecting to Reality" (Reality's Smart Investor gives this message when logging on) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 20:17:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27387; Fri, 13 Oct 95 20:17:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08998; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:16:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:15:08 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08812; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:15:05 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:14:38 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:14:28 +0100 Message-Id: <37106.9510140014@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Does anyone have a quick summary (one liners for each submodel) of the differences between 750, 750C, 750Cs, 750P?, 755xx? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:04:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00380; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:04:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14262; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:03:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:02:22 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14154; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:02:20 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:52:01 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 01:51:50 +0100 Message-Id: <14155.9510140051@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs I have the TP750Cs which has just a little metal loop which can be extended past the edge of the thinkpad by moving a level on the base of the unit. The level also locks the keyboard closed. Since all of the newer units have gone to the MacIntosh (Kingston?) locking device, where can one get a security cable for the older TP750's? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:25:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06301; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:25:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16770; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:42 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16554; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:40 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA03613; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: ucklw08 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) In-Reply-To: <37106.9510140014@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > Does anyone have a quick summary (one liners for each submodel) of > the differences between 750, 750C, 750Cs, 750P?, 755xx? Good question. Here's how I understand it: 750 series - 486SL/33, 4MB RAM standard, 2.88MB floppy, 9.5" mono screen, Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software), max 8-bit color P: +Pen, folding screen Cs: +10.4" dual scan color C: +10.4" TFT Ce: +10.4" TFT, 486DX2/66?, special order model only 755 original series - 486DX4/75, 4MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software) with built-in mic, max 16-bit color. (As 750 but new processor, 1.44MB floppy, 16-bit color, no mono model, +mic) Cs: +10.4" dual scan color C: +10.4" TFT 755CD/CV series - 486DX4/75, 8MB RAM, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port, MIDI out. (As 755 but 8MB RAM, DSP, IR, MIDI out) CD: +10.4" TFT, video/s-video in/out, CD-ROM drive CV: +10.4" TFT usuable on overhead CDV: all features of CD and CV 755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. (As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) CE: +10.4" TFT CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) CSE: +10.4" dual scan color They all come (came) with different standard hard drive sizes, but they're all interchangable (the 750 series needs a BIOS update to use the 540+MB drives). Did I miss anything? ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:30:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06328; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:30:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17293; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:30:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:29:28 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17206; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:29:27 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18486; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:29:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:29:31 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510140129.AA18486@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs "Since all of the newer units have gone to the Mac locking" Not true, the CX I bought quite recently still has the little loop. The 701 has the Mac socket, but as far as I know this is the only thinkpad that does, anyone know more? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 21:32:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07358; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:32:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17601; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:31:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:31:02 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17511; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 21:31:00 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18497; Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:31:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 21:31:11 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510140131.AA18497@nile.gnat.com> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu John, you wrote 755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. (As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) CE: +10.4" TFT CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) CSE: +10.4" dual scan color are you sure this is right, I thought only the 755CX came with the 800x600 screen. In any case, you certainly missed the 755CX from your listings. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 22:02:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09044; Fri, 13 Oct 95 22:02:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21083; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:02:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:44 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20739; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:41 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03670; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) In-Reply-To: <9510140131.AA18497@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > John, you wrote > > 755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, > DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. > (As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) > CE: +10.4" TFT > CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) > CSE: +10.4" dual scan color > > are you sure this is right, I thought only the 755CX came with the 800x600 > screen. In any case, you certainly missed the 755CX from your listings. Ok, ok. I guess it's true what they say about higher brain functions not becoming active until a while after you wake up. :) The CE only comes in 640x480. In the 755CE series, add (for lack of a better place to put it): CX: +10.4" TFT, P75 processor, Li-ion battery (optional), DSP (optional) CX: +10.4" TFT (800x600), P75 processor, Li-ion battery ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 22:12:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09752; Fri, 13 Oct 95 22:12:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22139; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:11:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:10:53 -0400 Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22056; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:10:50 -0400 Received: from sparky.etc.bc.ca by cln.etc.bc.ca for tp750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA25942; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:10:20 PDT Received: from ppreside.gov.bc.ca etc.bc.ca (DIALIP173.gov.bc.ca) by sparky.etc.bc.ca (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA22299; Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:08:02 PDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 19:08:00 PDT Message-Id: <9510140208.AA22299@sparky.etc.bc.ca> X-Sender: ppreside@pop.etc.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John H. Kim" From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Cc: ucklw08 , tp750@cs.utk.edu I have just ordered a 755 CDV but with a Pentium 75 processor and 1.2 gig drive. Pat At 09:23 PM 95 10 13 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > >> Does anyone have a quick summary (one liners for each submodel) of >> the differences between 750, 750C, 750Cs, 750P?, 755xx? > >Good question. Here's how I understand it: > >750 series - 486SL/33, 4MB RAM standard, 2.88MB floppy, 9.5" mono screen, >Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software), max 8-bit color > P: +Pen, folding screen > Cs: +10.4" dual scan color > C: +10.4" TFT > Ce: +10.4" TFT, 486DX2/66?, special order model only > >755 original series - 486DX4/75, 4MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono >model, Crystal Semi sound (SB emulation in software) with built-in mic, >max 16-bit color. >(As 750 but new processor, 1.44MB floppy, 16-bit color, no mono model, +mic) > Cs: +10.4" dual scan color > C: +10.4" TFT > >755CD/CV series - 486DX4/75, 8MB RAM, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, DSP >modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port, MIDI out. >(As 755 but 8MB RAM, DSP, IR, MIDI out) > CD: +10.4" TFT, video/s-video in/out, CD-ROM drive > CV: +10.4" TFT usuable on overhead > CDV: all features of CD and CV > >755CE series - 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM standard, 1.44MB floppy, no mono model, >DSP modem and hardware SB compatible, max 16-bit color, IR port. >(As 755 but 486DX4/100, 8MB RAM, DSP, IR) > CE: +10.4" TFT > CE: +10.4" TFT (800x600) > CSE: +10.4" dual scan color > >They all come (came) with different standard hard drive sizes, but >they're all interchangable (the 750 series needs a BIOS update to >use the 540+MB drives). Did I miss anything? >___________________________________________________________________________ >John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design >jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the >jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams > > > > O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 22:23:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10344; Fri, 13 Oct 95 22:23:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23402; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:23:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:22:25 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23323; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:22:21 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id WAA03700; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:21:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 22:21:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Pat Presidente Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) In-Reply-To: <9510140208.AA22299@sparky.etc.bc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Pat Presidente wrote: > I have just ordered a 755 CDV but with a Pentium 75 processor and > 1.2 gig drive. I just checked IBM's web site and he's right. Somewhere, sometime IBM changed the CD to a P75. The CV and CDV also use a P75. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 23:18:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12947; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:18:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29129; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:40 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28910; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:38 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA07169; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9510140316.AA07169@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510140129.AA18486@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 13, 95 09:29:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > "Since all of the newer units have gone to the Mac locking" > > Not true, the CX I bought quite recently still has the little loop. > The 701 has the Mac socket, but as far as I know this is the only > thinkpad that does, anyone know more? Double not true... :) The "mac socket" has nothing to do with Macintosh computers; it's the Kensington Microsaver. Swing by a CompUSA or something similar and have a look at one. Nothing is permanently inserted into the Thinkpad -- the lock has a sort of "T" that turns sideways to lock into the slot and a pair of "fingers" to keep someone from turning it. It's easier if you go look at it. The traditional "mac socket" is a one-way slot into which to put a metal tab; the tab snaps into place and cannot be removed. This is not how the Microsaver slot works. I think all of the later 755's have the socket; check IBM's web page. It's on the right-side of my 755CX, above the hard disk tab. Heck, the Compaq Aero I had for a while (before I gave it to my fiancee) has a Kensignton Microsaver socket. I bought that machine about a year and a half ago. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 23:27:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13378; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:27:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00341; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:27:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:26:58 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00267; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:26:57 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:25:59 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:25:53 +0100 Message-Id: <12260.9510140325@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Yes, yes, but -- where do you get a decent locking device for the hard disk tab on the TP750CS? I'd like to know where I can get a decent device to at least put a light leash on this little beast. Better yet, has anyone seen a better solution for securing Thinkpads without Kensington lock? I am a bit skittish about this because I had my old TI2000 stolen from a locked room, in a locked department, under guard by Israeli security some years ago when I visited Israel on a consulting assignment. I don't want a repeat of this misadventure. It caused me to go with a huge desktop box tied down with big screds and locks for too long. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 13 23:47:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14968; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:47:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02637; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:47:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:46:09 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02336; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:46:07 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA18712; Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:46:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 23:46:15 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510140346.AA18712@nile.gnat.com> To: lrj@hepth.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Oh that's quite different from what I am talking about, which is a round shaped hole into which a lock slips. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 05:33:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08851; Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:33:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11866; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:33:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:29:51 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10428; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:29:42 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:29 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 04:25:53 +0100 from ucklw08 Subject: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Yes, yes, but -- where do you get a decent locking device for the hard disk tab on the TP750CS? I'd like to know where I can get a decent device to at least put a light leash on this little beast. Better yet, has anyone seen a better solution for securing Thinkpads without Kensington lock? I use a small padlock in conjunction with a regular-size PC locking cable. I forget the cable manufacturer, but it is one of the standard brands that is available everywhere. The cable is attached to my desk with some kind of strong adhesive. The lock is a small Master padlock I obtained from a hardware store. It's the largest lock that I could find that would fit in the hole. It won't stop anyone with a decent set of bolt cutters, but it will stop anyone who walks into my office and wants to grab the machine and get out fast. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 05:37:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09102; Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:37:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12855; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:37:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:34:57 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12321; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:34:54 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:34 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:09:50 EDT from Subject: NO SUBJECT Warp connect contains IBM TCP/IP for OS/2 V3.0, not otherwise available. Also contains NDIS drivers and MPTS (nee LAPS) for many NICs, including ethernet and tokenring. usual clients, but not DNS nor NFS without getting those seperately (still at v2.0) and applying APARs. I believe X11 to be there (i didn't install it), programmers toolkit is still extra, and it supports only SLIP (although a PPP stack is available at ftp.ibm.net). It will support up to eight SLIP connections. X11 isn't included with the Connect package. CSLIP is also included. I believe that PPP is included, although I don't remember -- if not I must have installed it after the fact. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 05:39:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09116; Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:39:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12983; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:38:34 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12905; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:38:31 -0400 Received: from dec3300.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA34684; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 03:36:15 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec3300.cuug.ab.ca (5.65//ident-1.0) id AA06796; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 03:38:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9510140938.AA06796@dec3300.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Lilo with cylinder>1024 on TP? To: wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de (Hanno Wagner) Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 03:38:25 -0600 (MDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Hanno Wagner" at Oct 14, 95 00:56:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi, > I'm sure this is a FAQ-Question, but I can't solve it... > I have a hard disk with at least 1047 cylinders, and LinuX starts well if > I use loadlin with DOS. But if I try to use LILO, it just brings me 'LI' > and the a lot of '0101010101', but nothing more. > What have I to do? I've seen this and what you need to do is add a line to your /etc/lilo.conf file. I think the command is "nolinear"? I found it in the lilo documentation though it was kinda hard to see (a friend had the same problem with a 360CSE and I figured the info had to be somewhere!). Good luck! If this doesn't work then there are some other options (maybe the compact one?) - try them. +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 06:11:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10804; Sat, 14 Oct 95 06:11:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12303; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:34:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:33:24 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11979; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 05:33:21 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 05:32 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: wagner@bidnix.bid.fh-hannover.de Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:56:19 +0100 (MET) from Hanno Wagner Subject: Lilo with cylinder>1024 on TP? Hi, I'm sure this is a FAQ-Question, but I can't solve it... I have a hard disk with at least 1047 cylinders, and LinuX starts well if I use loadlin with DOS. But if I try to use LILO, it just brings me 'LI' and the a lot of '0101010101', but nothing more. What have I to do? fdisk sais, the hard disk has 1047 cylinder, 16 heads, and 63 sectors. -----cut fdisk----- Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 1047 cylinders Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes Device Boot Begin Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1 1 508 256000+ 6 DOS 16-bit >=32M Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary: phys=(253, 31, 63) should be (253, 15, 63) /dev/hda2 509 509 1016 256032 83 Linux native /dev/hda3 1017 1017 1047 15624 82 Linux swap ----cut fdisk----- any suggestions? I think the problem is that Linux is configuring your disk with a different number of cylinders than is DOS. My experience with DOS is that it will simulate a different geometry in order to keep the number of cylinders below 1024; in your case I bet it is using 523 cylinders, 32 heads, and 63 sectors (check this using DOS fdisk). If you force Linux to use the same geometry, it will work; you can do this with a Lilo command line parameter: "hd=523,32,63". From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 09:22:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22122; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:22:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29240; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:22:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:19:16 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28910; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:19:02 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA07863; Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:18:23 +0100 Message-Id: <9510141318.AA07863@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Sat, 14 Oct 95 14:18:23 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux 1.3.34 on 755CX loses keyboard after a while Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk As the title says, using the latest linux kernel, after a few keystrokes (~50-200), the keyboard no longer responds (although the linux kernel is still running ok). Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any cures? /ivo welch From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 11:41:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00056; Sat, 14 Oct 95 11:41:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13156; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:40:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:33:35 -0400 Received: from rmii.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12246; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 11:33:33 -0400 Received: from slip1140.rmii.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #4) id m0t48X7-000JbnC; Sat, 14 Oct 95 09:29 MDT Message-Id: X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 09:34:39 -0600 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs >I use a small padlock in conjunction with a regular-size PC locking >cable. I forget the cable manufacturer, but it is one of the standard >brands that is available everywhere. The cable is attached to my desk >with some kind of strong adhesive. I use something very similar. Only I wanted a longer cable so I went into my local hardware store and had them make one for me. Mine's made of plastic covered stainless steel cable, 8 feet long with a loop at each end. The loops are formed with crimped steel things that don't look like they'd ever come off. I'll loop it around something, then lock the cable to the laptop with the small padlock. My last trip I was glad to have the long cable - the only thing I could find to loop it around in the hotel room was all the way around a dresser... Lee Stewart - 755C From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 15:20:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15917; Sat, 14 Oct 95 15:20:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25680; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:19:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:57 -0400 Received: from inforamp.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25563; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:53 -0400 Received: from ts13-07.inforamp.net by inforamp.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29548; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:16:07 -0400 Message-Id: <9510141916.AA29548@inforamp.net> X-Sender: plexxus@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John H. Kim" From: plexxus@inforamp.net (John Allman) Subject: Re: 750 vs 755 (and submodels) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu There are actually TP 755 CD models in both 486DX4/100's in 540& 810 MB configurations and also P75's in 810mb & 1.2gb configurations. John Allman >On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Pat Presidente wrote: > >> I have just ordered a 755 CDV but with a Pentium 75 processor and >> 1.2 gig drive. > >I just checked IBM's web site and he's right. Somewhere, sometime >IBM changed the CD to a P75. The CV and CDV also use a P75. >___________________________________________________________________________ >John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design >jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the >jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | John Allman |Creativity is the sudden cessation | | Plexxus Technologies Inc. |of stupidity. - Edwin Land | | Markham (Toronto), Ontario | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 14 15:45:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17374; Sat, 14 Oct 95 15:45:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26839; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:44:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:43:55 -0400 Received: from cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26743; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:43:52 -0400 Received: from dec3300.cuug.ab.ca by cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03-CUUG-02) id AA07278; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:41:38 -0600 From: pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Received: by dec3300.cuug.ab.ca (5.65//ident-1.0) id AA23928; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:43:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9510141943.AA23928@dec3300.cuug.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Linux 1.3.34 on 755CX loses keyboard after a while To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 13:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510141318.AA07863@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> from "Ivo Welch" at Oct 14, 95 02:18:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > As the title says, using the latest linux kernel, after a few keystrokes > (~50-200), the keyboard no longer responds (although the linux kernel is > still running ok). Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any cures? > > /ivo welch The 1.3.x kernels are development kernels and things will be broken. You must either back up to a 1.3.x kernel that mostly works, find the problem and fix it in 1.3.34, wait for 1.3.35 and hope someone has found and fixed the problem, or go back to the 1.2.x kernels which are the stable ones. I recomend sticking to the stable 1.2.x kernels unless there is an absolute need to use a 1.3.x kernel. +----------------------------Ren & Stimpy--------------------------------+ | "Psst. Hey Guido. It's all so clear to me now. I'm the keeper of the | | cheese. And you're the lemon merchant. Get it? And he knows it. That's | | why he's gonna kill us. So we gotta beat it. Yeah. Before he lets | | loose the marmosets on us! Don't worry, little missy! I'll save you!" | +------------------ Brad Pepers -- pepersb@cuug.ab.ca -------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 11:50:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00450; Sun, 15 Oct 95 11:50:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14053; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:49:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:42:24 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13328; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:42:22 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA01342; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:42:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:41:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: irda questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was saving my money to buy a desktop Internet server but IBM is having a special offer on the TP701 (search for '701' in comp.sys.laptops for more details). I'm seriously considering getting one of those while retiring my TP750 mono as a server (complete with built-in UPS :). The 701 doesn't have a serial port in it's maximum-portability configuration so I'm looking into buying an IR port for the 750 (which I can later use with any desktop system I buy). How much have you guys with the newer Thinkpads played around with the infra-red port? Does it work as a standard serial link? Can Linux use it? Would it be possible to establish a PPP link over it? (And yes, I know the 750 doesn't have a 16550 UART - a slow connection will suffice for most of what I do, and if I really need speed I can just yank out the ethernet card and plug it into the 701) ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 12:13:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06349; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:13:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16646; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:13:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:12:05 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16426; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:12:02 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29107; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:15:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: ucklw08 Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs In-Reply-To: <12260.9510140325@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My solution to the locking problem was to get a Master lock which is slightly better than a luggage lock (this one would take a particularly sturdy ballpoint pen to break, as opposed to any ballpoint) and a 5 foot length of chain from the hardware store. Drilled two holes in my desk, put a U bolt through it and one end of the chain. In all seriousness, the lock _might_ be cuttable with a pair of diagonal cutters, definately with the smallers of bolt cutters. However, it accomplishes the _real_ purpose of any security device, which is to make it annoying enough that the thief will probably go steal your officemate's unlocked laptop instead of investing the extra 3 minutes in yours. All that being said, I think www.warrior.com has a lock that fits the Pad tab, but it's a lot more expensive than a master lock and length of chain... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 12:37:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08303; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:37:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18674; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:36:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:35:16 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18519; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:35:12 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:33:57 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:33:58 +0100 Message-Id: <17694.9510151633@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: Source for Security Cable for TP750Cs Cc: dewar@nile.gnat.com, lrj@hepth.cornell.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Road Warrior also has a security device which screws into the parallel port. It looks a lot more secure than IBM's small extendable disk tab. So, for the moment I have a decent small lock and cable on IBM's disk tab -- and I'll get the Road Warrior Parallel Port locking device next week. I still need to lock the disk tab though to keep the keyboard closed so people are unable to walk off with battery, disk etc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 12:46:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08326; Sun, 15 Oct 95 12:46:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19130; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:45:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:36 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18982; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:35 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA22071 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:18 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151644.MAA22071@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I took my computer (TP750C) to Micro Center on 9/30/95 for repairs, along w/ my Dock II. Here are the problems that I listed: CPU: -LCD exhibits ghosting -floppy drive has CRC read errors -keyboard's letters are coming off -possible problem w/ IDE interface (dunno if it's the computer or the Dock II Dock II: -mouse doesn't wake up from suspend or when computer is turned on unless it is unplugged and replugged into the dock -putting IDE drives into the dock ii and connecting them to the ide cable results in the computer either locking up when powered on or nonrecognition of the drive Sooo....Micro Center, being an IBM repair center took one look at it and then EZ-served it to IBM. Now here's the weird thing... One week passes... I call IBM and ask about the stauts of my computer undergoing EZ-serve, and they can't find it in the computer, even when I've given them the correct serial number. This is this past Thursday (1.5 weeks after I originally dropped it off at Micro Center). Now, I call Micro Center and they say "we don't have it from IBM" Hmm.... Friday morning: I get this box from Technology Services Solutions in North Carolina. It's my Dock II. Soooo....where's my IBM CPU? I look at the EZ server report, and it has a case number, along w/ the technician's name. Friday afternoon...finally someone from Micro Center calls back and says that the Thinkpad is there. Weird, isn't it? I have my Dock II going home and my thinkpad going to micro center... I go to micro center, and then get the computer. I go home and open the comptuer, and read the EZ-serve report. It appears the same technician who looked at the dock ii looked at the cpu. The technician replaced the floppy, the system board, the lcd, and THE HARD DRIVE!!!! (Remember, as I said earlier, on the list of problems, there was NEVER any mention that the hard drive was bad! In fact, I'd been using it perfectly fine till I brought in my computer!) There wasn't anything WRONG with the hard drive! I was running it fine! Furthermore, my 32 Mb of RAM is missing!!!!! Called up micro center immediately..."It's an IBM problem," they say. Assholes. They didn't even really want to deal w/ me. "Did you buy it here?" No, of course not, dumbass...you guys are an IBM service center! Called up IBM.. "We don't have any record of having your computer!!" Huh!??? Furthermore, to complicate matters, my IBM notebook's EZ serve sheet has a case number of "BLIND" instead of a normal number like "45c143" or something like that. Anyways... Someone SOMEWHERE dropped the ball. And I NEED my hard drive back, as there was a lot of sensitive information on it that I cannot get back. Furthermore, since my dock ii was not acting corectly, I never made a backup of all 60 Mb of thee stuff. I was furthermore told by the dumbasses at Micro Center that they'd call me if they had to do ANYTHING to the hard drive! Now, when I boot my comptuer, i get the original factory preloaded software, and this nice "cute" thinkpad 755 demo (yes a 755 demo on a tp750c...). This is BS! I can't even load stuff off of SCSI since the Dock II's SCSI seems to now be broken! I can't boot off scsi drive anymore! Normally, when I set a scsi drive to id 0, i could boot off of it, and the computer on bootup would say "Adaptec scsi bios. SCSI ID0: Syquest s270 Drive D:" Now it doesn't say drive D:...it just goes into dos by booting off C: even when i set the drive in the bios to boot! Furthermore, the IDE is STILL not functioning! I still can't use any ide drives in the dock ii! ARRRGH I'm A LOT worse off... I can't even install OS/2, since I have 4 Mb of RAM now (instead of 36 Mb!)! Fux this! Any ideas on who to talk to, and what else to do? Heck...anyone know about the possibility of getting a new computer from IBM to use in the interim since I NEED to use a comptuer asap!??? Anyone ever had such a horror story? Man! I think they should give me a new comptuer to use for now or something. This is BS! On top of having to wait two weeks, now they have screwed up somewhere, and I'm STILL having problems! I'll be outta service for yet another month while this is ironed out! The couldn't find me in the computer database either. Something's not right here!!!!! Using a 030 mac just doesn't cut it. What can I do?? Who can I talk to??? Micro Center's been passing the buck, and I have to wait until Monday to call the people who "repaired" my machine! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:18:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13702; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:18:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22959; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:17:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:15:37 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22778; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:15:33 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA45323; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:15:13 GMT Message-Id: <199510151815.AA45323@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 19:08:06 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Comic scenary from IBM EMEA Hi to all! I'd wish let you have a little bit fun with this little "story"... Some days ago I took my TP755CD at IBM service here in Rome, Italy, as my Trackpoint wasn't properly functioning: being on guarantee period, no problem at all. They called me after one day, and I got my Thinkpad back with a brand new keyboard. Whit a big surprise, when I was back at my office, I opened te cover and...I found an italian keyboard, instead my original USA one...! Immediately i called back IBM online, that, after all pragmatic excuses, said me to go back to service, and let them change the keyboard. Right done and, after one day more, finally myThinkpad was back again on my desktop. Good, no more italian keyboard, but...a UK one...!!! Aaaargh! I took it again at service, making some trouble (naturly) and, with my big surprise, I received the following answer from the technicians: -"...we're very sorry, but all over Italy we haven't a USA keyboard available...". When he was telling me so, he had on his hands a beautiful case, with an original ARABIAN keyboard inside...!!! :-) That's incredible, but true! I must wait for months, probably...? Ciao, Alberto From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:54:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15992; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:54:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26563; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:53:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:32 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26492; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:31 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA28215; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:24 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151852.OAA28215@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chan4@fas.harvard.edu In-Reply-To: from "John H. Kim" at Oct 15, 95 01:15:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > My non-legal advice: > > On Sun, 15 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > > > Sooo....Micro Center, being an IBM repair center took one look at it and > > then EZ-served it to IBM. > > Does this mean Micro Center EZ-served it on their own, or that they > EZ-served it to IBM with your authorization? I had reported the problems to IBM before. They said, "you can send it in or drop it at an authorized IBM repair center..." I chose the latter since I live right next door to micro center. So...when I brought it there, i said to the lady, "They'll call if they have to swap the computer right? I have a hard drive in there..." "Yeah, we always call before doing anything like that." They apparently sent in my computer in under their name and my dock ii under my name. I don't understand what's happening. Anyways... The buck's being passed around. Who exactly do I speak with at IBM? I can't UNDERSTAND why they changed my hd when there WAS NOTHING WRONG with it that I could find! Furthermore, where the heck is my 32 Mb of RAM???? ARRGH -- Derek V. Chan chan4@fas.harvard.edu dchan@cybercom.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:57:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15998; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:57:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27155; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:56:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:56:19 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27067; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:56:16 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:56:01 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 19:56:02 +0100 Message-Id: <78354.9510151856@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC-DOS 5.02 vs. MS-DOS 6.22 -- Advantages/Disadvantages for TP750? My TP750Cs came with PC-DOS 5.02 installed. I use MS-DOS 6.22 extensively on my desktop computer. Is there any advantage to PS-DOS 5.02 or a newer PC-DOS 7 vs. MS-DOS 6.22 for use on the Thinkpad 750Cs? Does PC-DOS have better integration in some respect to the Thinkpad? Do I lose anything by switching to PC-DOS 6.22? Does anyone have experience with MS-DOS on TP? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 14:59:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16372; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:59:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27271; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:58:15 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27202; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 14:58:14 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA29811; Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:58:08 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 14:58:08 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510151858.AA29811@nile.gnat.com> To: dchan@cybercom.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve Cc: chan4@fas.harvard.edu one thing when sending a thinkpad in for servce, you are advised to remove all removalable stuff that does not need servicing (i.e. memory, PCMCIA cards, diskette, battery, hard drive. >From this anecdote, it seems that this is good advice! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 15:06:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17363; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:06:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28305; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:06:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:04:53 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27902; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:04:50 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 20:04:35 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 20:04:36 +0100 Message-Id: <74638.9510151904@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dchan@cybercom.net, dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve Cc: chan4@fas.harvard.edu Moreover, never loan or ship a notebook to anyone else (including IBM technicians) without (1) doing a full backup with verification and (2) ascertaining that in the event of loss or damage a specific insurance company will compensate you for the full replacement value of your PC. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 15:22:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18115; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:22:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29925; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:22:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:40 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29739; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:27 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA29743; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:14 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151920.PAA29743@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9510151858.AA29811@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 15, 95 02:58:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text I was never advised... Furthermore, there was nothing wrong with the HD! So why the heck did they change it? Furthermore, Micro Center said they'd call if there were any problems w/ the HD. And YES..I do have backups, but I can't mount the SCSI ('cause the Dock II is STILL broken!) and the backup is a 2 months old. (I'd be able to get perhaps a more recent backup f I could mount the IDE drive w/ os/2 but I can't even do THAT since my memory is gone... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 15 15:27:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18129; Sun, 15 Oct 95 15:27:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00636; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:11 -0400 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00566; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:09 -0400 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA00272; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:05 -0400 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510151926.PAA00272@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: Beware Micro Center & IBM EZ-Serve To: Mark3M@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <951015150317_45161010@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Mark3M@aol.com" at Oct 15, 95 03:03:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > > I would recommend contacting the customer relations department at IBM. Also, > you might want to talk to the manager at Micro Center. I talked to the manager at Micro Center. He said...it's not our problem. It's IBM's problem. They messed up. Nope. Not us. We just looked at it and sent it to IBM. A*shole.... I asked him for the number of their head office at Columbus, Ohio... > Always deal with someone at a position of authority rather than the usual > phone operators whenever you have a major problem. > No kidding. I'm not sure WHO to talk to right now. I tried on the weekend (sat. to get through, but only got as far as reporting a "case number" > I've dealt with customer relations at IBM after they couldn't fix my Thinkpad > 510Cs for the fifth time. As a result, I bargained with them and got an > upgrade to a 755C for an additional ~$660. Total purchase from my side was > $2200 for a $3400+ computer minus all the time spent dealing with the process > of repairs, etc. > Man...Sheeze...I can't use my CD-ROM or anything! This is the THIRD time I've had to send my computer to IBM for repairs. I'm worse off than I was before... They should send me a new one... > I realize that you have more problems than I had but I hope this helps! > > Good luck! > > Mark (Mark3M@aol.com) > > In a message dated 95-10-15 12:45:51 EDT, you write: > > >I took my computer (TP750C) to Micro Center on 9/30/95 for repairs, along > >w/ my Dock II. > > > >Here are the problems that I listed: > > > >CPU: > > > >-LCD exhibits ghosting > >-floppy drive has CRC read errors > >-keyboard's letters are coming off > >-possible problem w/ IDE interface (dunno if it's the computer or the > >Dock II > > > >Dock II: > > > >-mouse doesn't wake up from suspend or when computer is turned on unless > >it is unplugged and replugged into the dock > >-putting IDE drives into the dock ii and connecting them to the ide > >cable results in the computer either locking up when powered on or > >nonrecognition of the drive > > > >Sooo....Micro Center, being an IBM repair center took one look at it and > >then EZ-served it to IBM. > > > >Now here's the weird thing... > > > >One week passes... > > > >I call IBM and ask about the stauts of my computer undergoing EZ-serve, > >and they can't find it in the computer, even when I've given them the > >correct serial number. This is this past Thursday (1.5 weeks after I > >originally dropped it off at Micro Center). > > > >Now, I call Micro Center and they say "we don't have it from IBM" > > > >Hmm.... > > > >Friday morning: I get this box from Technology Services Solutions in > >North Carolina. It's my Dock II. Soooo....where's my IBM CPU? > > > >I look at the EZ server report, and it has a case number, along w/ the > >technician's name. > > > >Friday afternoon...finally someone from Micro Center calls back and says > >that the Thinkpad is there. Weird, isn't it? I have my Dock II going > >home and my thinkpad going to micro center... > > > >I go to micro center, and then get the computer. > > > >I go home and open the comptuer, and read the EZ-serve report. It > >appears the same technician who looked at the dock ii looked at the cpu. > >The technician replaced the floppy, the system board, the lcd, and THE > >HARD DRIVE!!!! (Remember, as I said earlier, on the list of problems, > >there was NEVER any mention that the hard drive was bad! In fact, I'd > >been using it perfectly fine till I brought in my computer!) > > > >There wasn't anything WRONG with the hard drive! I was running it fine! > >Furthermore, my 32 Mb of RAM is missing!!!!! > > > >Called up micro center immediately..."It's an IBM problem," they say. > >Assholes. They didn't even really want to deal w/ me. "Did you buy it > >here?" No, of course not, dumbass...you guys are an IBM service center! > > > >Called up IBM.. "We don't have any record of having your computer!!" > > > >Huh!??? > > > >Furthermore, to complicate matters, my IBM notebook's EZ serve sheet has > >a case number of "BLIND" instead of a normal number like "45c143" > >or something like that. > > > > > >Anyways... > > > >Someone SOMEWHERE dropped the ball. And I NEED my hard drive back, as > >there was a lot of sensitive information on it that I cannot get back. > >Furthermore, since my dock ii was not acting corectly, I never made a > >backup of all 60 Mb of thee stuff. I was furthermore told by the > >dumbasses at Micro Center that they'd call me if they had to do ANYTHING > >to the hard drive! > > > >Now, when I boot my comptuer, i get the original factory preloaded > >software, and this nice "cute" thinkpad 755 demo (yes a 755 demo on a > >tp750c...). > > > > > >This is BS! > > > > > >I can't even load stuff off of SCSI since the Dock II's SCSI seems to now > >be broken! I can't boot off scsi drive anymore! Normally, when I set a > >scsi drive to id 0, i could boot off of it, and the computer on bootup > >would say "Adaptec scsi bios. SCSI ID0: Syquest s270 Drive D:" > > > >Now it doesn't say drive D:...it just goes into dos by booting off C: > >even when i set the drive in the bios to boot! > > > > > >Furthermore, the IDE is STILL not functioning! I still can't use any ide > >drives in the dock ii! > > > > > >ARRRGH > > > >I'm A LOT worse off... > > > >I can't even install OS/2, since I have 4 Mb of RAM now (instead of 36 Mb!)! > > > >Fux this! > > > >Any ideas on who to talk to, and what else to do? > > > >Heck...anyone know about the possibility of getting a new computer from > >IBM to use in the interim since I NEED to use a comptuer asap!??? Anyone > >ever had such a horror story? > > > >Man! I think they should give me a new comptuer to use for now or > >something. This is BS! > > > >On top of having to wait two weeks, now they have screwed up somewhere, and > >I'm STILL having problems! I'll be outta service for yet another month > >while this is ironed out! > > > >The couldn't find me in the computer database either. Something's not right > > >here!!!!! > > > >Using a 030 mac just doesn't cut it. > > > >What can I do?? Who can I talk to??? Micro Center's been passing the > >buck, and I have to wait until Monday to call the people who "repaired" my > >machine! > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 09:34:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28412; Mon, 16 Oct 95 09:34:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22205; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:29:39 -0400 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21671; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:29:35 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by relay-4.mail.demon.net id sg.ae05969; 15 Oct 95 18:43 +0100 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa02646; 15 Oct 95 18:42 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by beowulf.demon.co.uk (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA16584; Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:42:46 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 18:42:44 +0100 (BST) From: Pete Lynch To: Ivo Welch Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux 1.3.34 on 755CX loses keyboard after a while In-Reply-To: <9510141318.AA07863@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had a similar sounding problem with my Linux 1.2.8 kernel. It turned out that when I accidentally brushed the red mouse button while in text (i.e. non-X) mode the kernel hung. Rebuilding a kernel with mouse support fixed the problem. Interestingly enough, just running DOS without windows will also hang if you touch the mouse button. Pete .............................................................................. . demon is a commercial internet gateway .......... Pete Lynch . . providing access for unrelated users .......... Marlow, England . ................................................... root@beowulf.demon.co.uk . On Sat, 14 Oct 1995, Ivo Welch wrote: > > As the title says, using the latest linux kernel, after a few keystrokes > (~50-200), the keyboard no longer responds (although the linux kernel is > still running ok). Has anyone else experienced this? Are there any cures? > > /ivo welch > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 10:06:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00117; Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:06:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26468; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:05:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:04:04 -0400 Received: from edrtg.ed.ornl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26207; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:04:03 -0400 Received: (from rtg@localhost) by edrtg.ed.ornl.gov (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA22386; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:06:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:06:03 -0400 From: Rick Goeltz Message-Id: <199510161406.KAA22386@edrtg.ed.ornl.gov> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Summary: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously Reply-To: rtg@ornl.gov TP'ers: This 755cx was DOA--it just took a while to see that. Its condition deteriorated quickly after my post and it appears to have serious hardware problems. It's in the shop. Two replies indicated that similar behavior can be caused by bad memory. Thanks. Rick From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 13:54:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18344; Mon, 16 Oct 95 13:54:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18904; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:53:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:44:24 -0400 Received: from speed3.speed.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17913; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:44:11 -0400 From: Received: from kprince.earthlink.net (kprince.earthlink.net [204.119.175.51]) by speed3.speed.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA18539 for ; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:43:55 -0700 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 95 10:49:37 PDT Subject: Subscribe To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Chameleon V0.05, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII subscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 16 14:37:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22163; Mon, 16 Oct 95 14:37:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23254; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:37:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:36:07 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23139; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:36:05 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0457; Mon, 16 Oct 95 14:30:20 -0700 Message-Id: <9510162130.AA0457@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id BC93B0E862CE958D852562570061BD4A; Mon, 16 Oct 95 14:30:12 To: rtg Cc: TP750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 16 Oct 95 14:29:32 EDT Subject: Re: Summary: New 755cx Reboots Spontaneously Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Two replies indicated that similar behavior can be caused by bad memory...." ~~~~~ i've seen 4 different 360c's and one 755c experience random rebooting. ibm's initial response was to blame it on the ic dram cards, but swapping them with working laptops, and using ibm's own dram cards proved that the memory was not to blame. it turns out that the dram card sockets on these thinkpads are prone to going bad. the biggest problem with troubleshooting these lockups is that by pulling the dram card out & reseating it, the lockups will go away for a while. after you've reseated it several times and the problem still occurs after a week or so, tech support will have you try a different dram card. well, by pulling out the old one and inserting the new one, you have, again, *temporarily* solved the problem (which may be good enough for them, depending on who answers the phone when you call). it was rough going, but ever since we figured it out, ezserv has been great about replacing the system board when this happens and i haven't had any problems with any of the replacements. the plastic piece that sits underneath the dram cards in the 360 series, and some of the 755 series, doesn't have the half-height frame built onto it to hold the card in place. this frame (which comes in most other 755's i've seen) actually makes it a pain to take out dram cards & probably results in as much stress on the socket as having no frame. ibm did try to fix one of the 360's once by giving us a new plastic piece with this frame on it, to replace the old piece, but the socket had already gone bad, so they ended up swapping the whole board. in any case, the 755c has the frame & still had the same lockup problem, solved by a new system board. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 13:44:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04353; Tue, 17 Oct 95 13:44:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18049; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:38:06 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17517; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:37:54 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA13371; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:37:18 +0100 Message-Id: <9510171737.AA13371@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:37:17 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux with mwave and/or sound? Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk Has anyone managed to get the mwave features (sound, modem, fax) to work under linux? Or at least one of them? /ivo welch --- Ivo Welch ivo.welch@anderson.ucla.edu Assoc Prof of Finance Anderson GSM at UCLA Until Jan 96: London Business School, Finance Dept, iwelch@lbs.lon.ac.uk Sussex Place, London NW1 4SA. England. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 14:46:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10302; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:46:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22134; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:45:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:40:15 -0400 Received: from sh1.ro.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21648; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:40:14 -0400 Received: from d_ramsey (d_ramsey.txport.com [192.207.87.129]) by sh1.ro.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA14408 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:47:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199510171847.NAA14408@sh1.ro.com> X-Sender: dramsey@ro.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:39:41 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Don Ramsey Subject: value of tp750c Has anybody on our list seen any used TP prices lately? I'm thinking of unloading my 750C and getting a 760. Mine has a perfect display, 20Mb of ram, and two 340Mb drives. I was wondering what a ballpark value for it would be. Don at dramsey@ro.com in Huntsville, AL From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 15:29:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13427; Tue, 17 Oct 95 15:29:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26496; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:27:42 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26296; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:27:40 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:27:32 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:27:30 +0100 Message-Id: <39724.9510171927@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: dramsey@ro.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: value of tp750c I watched the London used for sale paper for a couple of months. Used 750C typical price here was 1400 UKP -- the very best deal was 750Cs for 800 UKP (UK pounds) with 12MB RAM, 340MB HD, IBM High Speed FAX / Modem. UK prices are typically identical to US prices in US dollars in higher tech (computer, photo) markets. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 16:41:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20534; Tue, 17 Oct 95 16:41:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04372; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:38:01 -0400 Received: from explorer.dgp.toronto.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04080; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:37:57 -0400 Received: by explorer.dgp.toronto.edu id <144003>; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:37:41 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.3 5/22/91) From: Eugene Fiume To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWAVE 2.0 and FaxWorks 3 Message-Id: <95Oct17.163741edt.144003@explorer.dgp.toronto.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:37:26 -0400 I had trouble with FaxWorks after installing MWAVE 2, and someone suggested that I get the FaxWorks upgrade (now available at ftp.pcco.ibm.com). Unfortunately, I still get the same problem as before (an "MCI error" saying that a certain driver cannot be loaded, and later saying that the discriminator could not be found). So, the obvious question: has anyone got FaxWorks to work under MWAVE 2? Regards, Eugene Fiume. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 17:09:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22027; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:09:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07487; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:09:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:07:51 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07262; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:07:46 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA16669; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:07:37 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA23417; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:07:35 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510172107.OAA23417@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: value of tp750c To: dramsey@ro.com (Don Ramsey) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199510171847.NAA14408@sh1.ro.com> from "Don Ramsey" at Oct 17, 95 01:39:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Has anybody on our list seen any used TP prices lately? I'm thinking of > unloading my 750C and getting a 760. Which is the 760--the Pentium model? I've been lost from the list a while and haven't kept up on the thinkpad models... > Mine has a perfect display, 20Mb of > ram, and two 340Mb drives. I was wondering what a ballpark value for it > would be. Also curious--does anyone know if a memory card used in a 750C will work in the 701 Butterfly? I was thinking of moving over, but I'd hate to think I have to dump all my neat little parts & buy new ones... ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 17:20:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22198; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:20:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08600; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:19:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:18:58 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08423; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:18:54 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA25777; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:18:02 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA01119; Tue, 17 Oct 95 14:17:36 -0700 From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:17:35 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: What can the Infrared port do? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8bq m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8bq m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I've got a 755CX (40megs RAM/540 meg HD/Xircom CE2 ethernet, Windows 95, soon to be 1.2gig HD and NeXTSTEP), and I'm wondering if there's any software to use the IR ports for TV remotes. I'd like to be able to control my A/V equipment via the built-in IR, as well as be able to talk to my HP48SX with the built-in IR. I looked at the FAQ, and it's *extremely* dated. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy., Napa, CA, 94558 MIME ok, NeXTMail tolerated From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 17:53:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24843; Tue, 17 Oct 95 17:53:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11667; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:49:46 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11306; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 17:49:44 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA16511; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:49:42 GMT Message-Id: <199510172149.AA16511@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 22:49:23 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Second Hard Disk on a TP755CD Sorry for this silly question: I've heard about the possibility to have 2 HDs on my Thinkpad 755CD. I mean, not with the external docking, but just *INSIDE* the bay. Is it true? Can I have two hard disks on my Thinkpad? Thanks on advance for the answer. Bye by Alby/Warp From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 18:19:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27758; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:19:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13832; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:18:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:17:56 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13762; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:17:52 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00410 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:00:43 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 18:20:35 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 18:20:31 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:20:21 EST Subject: Introductions Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <17333C4CD7@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us> Well, the welcome message said to introduce myself so here goes. I run a computer lab for a living and have a collection of unusual computers. My Thinkpad is one of the low end models, a 355 Cs. This is not a member of the 350 line, it is more of a cut down 360. I only has one PCMCIA slot (I, II or III), no expansion bus connector and a dual scan screen. Currently I have 8M memory and a Toshiba 528M hard drive, without an "official" IBM case (too tall). I have OS/2 Warp, Linux 1.2.8 and PC-DOS 7.0 installed, each having separate partitions. I use OS/2's boot manager to switch between os's and have been quite pleased on the whole with it. I also have a Media Vision Reno external CD-ROM that works under OS/2 and DOS but not Linux since I have a parallel scsi adaptor. I also have an Iomega Zip drive that I am very happy with, helps lessen the load on the hard drive. I have an Digicom Scout 14.4k PCMCIA modem and an Apex (IBM made) PCMCIA sound card. Now for a couple of questions. Anyone know if it is possible to purchase the hard drive CABLE from IBM? Not the case, just the CABLE. I would think this could be an item to be replaced due to wear. Also, has anyone tried IBM's new MWave based PCMCIA card? I had heard that it supports OS/2 and DOS protected mode games under OS/2, any comments? Sorry if these questions rehash old discusions and feel free to ask me about anything in my configuration. I have been working with Linux since 0.12 so I am pretty good with it. With OS/2 I go back to 1.1 and DOS I actually have a copy of 1.25 if I can find it. Pete using Peter W. Borders Network Engineer - Business Division - Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 18:51:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00077; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:51:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16169; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:49:06 -0400 Received: from BROWNVM.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15956; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:49:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199510172249.SAA15956@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU by BROWNVM.brown.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9714; Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:45:50 EDT Received: from BROWNVM (NJE origin ST402711@BROWNVM) by BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4401; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:45:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 18:29:50 EDT From: Tim Johnson Subject: Video Drivers To: "Origin of LISTS.TP750" I had a recent unfortunate encounter with a virus, and while I had backed up all my data a mere hours before, I've had to reinstall windows on my 755Cs. I carefully followed the instructions in the users guide for installing dos and windows and all the appropriate drivers, but I had trouble installing the video driver. (I have two video driver discs by my machine, the one that shipped with my machine, labelled v1.30, and the one I downloaded off the ftp server - FTP.PCCO.IBM.COM) According to the instructions, I was to run VINSTALL and select the option "IBM 8511, 8512, 8513, 8517, OR 8518" since I do not have an external display. Then, when running windows, I was to tell it to configure the display to "OTHER" and input the Video Features Diskette (dir a:\win31) when asked. So far so good. When it asked for the video drivers disk, I inserted the Video Features Diskette and was presented with a series of SVGA (WD90C24) options. (I presume the WD90C24 stands for the Western Digital Controller.) I chose the 640x480x256 option - a resolution that the 755Cs should be able to handle.... Unfortunately, Windows informed me that the driver was not compatible with my display and exited from setup abruptly. After trying a couple of different options using both diskettes (1.30 and 1.33) I ended up calling the help line. There I was told (a little brusquely) that I was just to use the VGA. I did as I was told, but the resolution was obviously wrong. (I wasn't getting 256 colors.) So, I ran setup from within Windows and changed to the SVGA (WD90C24) 640x480x256 option that it listed. That gave me the resolution that I remembered - and brings me to my question. What driver is this, is it the same as the driver on the video features disk, and what is the difference between 1.30 and 1.33? (In a related question - updating the ThinkPad Utilities to the current version added a bunch of features. But I was unable to get the updated Audio Features file from the FTP site to uncompress. Has anyone else had this problem? I mentioned it to the support folks on the help line and they assured me that I was mistaken, it actually does uncompress itself just fine. I didn't argue with them.) -Tim From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 20:09:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07514; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:09:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20550; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:05:57 -0400 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20409; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:05:53 -0400 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id UAA22130; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:05:19 -0400 Date: 17 Oct 95 20:01:49 EDT From: "Murray E. Milligan" <72704.232@compuserve.com> To: Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Still taking votes on changing the list? Message-Id: <951018000148_72704.232_FHP83-1@CompuServe.COM> I've been lurking in the background for some time. Since the recent threads were talking about changing the TP listserv, I'd like to throw in my 2 bits. I have and use a TP 340CSE, the non-USA available version. If we are changing the list, perhaps we can open the group to discussion on all TPs. Thoughts or comments? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 20:12:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08154; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:12:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20877; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:12:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:11:11 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20751; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:11:10 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA2788; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:05:27 -0700 Message-Id: <9510180305.AA2788@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id EC2C20AAD47ECF758525625800807488; Tue, 17 Oct 95 20:05:17 To: Tim Johnson Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 17 Oct 95 19:30:59 EDT Subject: Re: Video Drivers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....I chose the 640x480x256 option - a resolution that the 755Cs should be able to handle.... Unfortunately, Windows informed me that the driver was not compatible with my display and exited from setup abruptly...." ~~~~~ the advice that tech support gave you is correct, and i don't think your problem was related to the version of the video driver that you were using. when installing windoze, ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS select VGA. then, once it is installed and you reboot, you can set it to the resolution you want. microsoft should emboss this on the installation diskettes. i don't even know why it causes problems, but it does-- and not just on thinkpads. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 21:56:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14193; Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:56:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28932; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:55:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from cs.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28738; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:36 -0400 Received: from jones.cs.brown.edu (jones.cs.brown.edu [128.148.38.144]) by cs.brown.edu (8.6.10/Bullwinkle1.1) with ESMTP id VAA17895 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:30 -0400 From: Sridhar Ramaswamy Received: (sr@localhost) by jones.cs.brown.edu (8.6.9/BrownCS1.0) id VAA04329 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:27 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:52:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199510180152.VAA04329@jones.cs.brown.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: xfree86 on 755cx Hi, I have been a lurker in this list for a while now. I finally have my thinkpad and have a few questions. I have a 755cx with the svga display, and a 810 Meg hard drive. I plan to run linux on it. I know from previous discussions that a couple of members on this list have had success with this, especially with the troublesome X configguration. Can any of the people who run Xfree86 on the cx send me their XFconfig file? I would be very grateful. Any other hints about this would be very much appreciated as well. I will try to record my experience with loading linux on the cx and post it to the mailing list. Right now, I am using the pre-loaded Os2/warp software to run slip. It is so incredibly slow! This seems to be half as fast as my sparc 1 running at 9600 baud. (I am usin the uwave modem on the thinkpad at 14.4k and ping reports average travel time of nearly 500ms to my slip server!) Have others had similar experiences with os/2 slip? Many thanks, and hi to all, --Sridhar From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 22:47:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17754; Tue, 17 Oct 95 22:47:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02521; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:46:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:44:39 -0400 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02316; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:44:38 -0400 Received: (from ean@localhost) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) id TAA28897 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:44:03 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=ca/ADMD=telecom.canada/C=ca/; Relayed; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:44:01 UTC-0700 Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:44:01 UTC-0700 X400-Originator: goldberg@cs.ubc.ca X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=ca/ADMD=telecom.canada/C=ca/;951017194401] Content-Identifier: 6037 From: "Murray W. Goldberg" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"6037*goldberg@cs.ubc.ca"@MHS> Subject: XFree86/FreeBSD on a 360 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Generated by Ean X.400 to MIME gateway) Hi. Well, thanks to the help of several people, FreeBSD is running nicely on my 360C. Now for X. First - the important question: - I am using PCVT and scanset=2 because of the unusual keyboard. When I try and start the X server, it complains that it found the pcvt driver, but that it doesn't seem to support X. I am using the VGA16 server. Any suggestions would be welcome (is anyone running freebsd and X on a thinkpad - I hope this is not an impossible combination!). Second (assuming the first is worked out) - the VGA16 server claims to do 4-bit color, but the 360C claims 8-bit VGA color. Am I stuck with 16 colors? No big deal, but 256 would be better. Well - thanks. Any help would be appreciated. Oh - one more bonus question (more appropriate for the freebsd group): is support for the USR 28.8 PCMCIA modem in FreeBSD in the works? Thanks - Murray goldberg@cs.ubc.ca Instructor - Senior Faculty Advisor Dept. of Computer Science University of British Columbia From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 23:00:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18558; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:00:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03347; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:58:04 -0400 Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03252; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 22:57:59 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22731; Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:57:50 CDT Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:57:49 CDT Message-Id: <9510180257.AA22731@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: MWAVE 2.0 and FaxWorks 3 >I had trouble with FaxWorks after installing MWAVE 2, and someone >suggested that I get the FaxWorks upgrade (now available at >ftp.pcco.ibm.com). Unfortunately, I still get the same problem as >before (an "MCI error" saying that a certain driver cannot be loaded, >and later saying that the discriminator could not be found). So, the >obvious question: has anyone got FaxWorks to work under MWAVE 2? > I have been running MWave 2.0 and FaxWorks (voice, messaging, send & receive fax without problem on my 755cx. I am using the Fax Works upgrade. Have you given the ThinkPad Helpline a call? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 17 23:04:40 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19150; Tue, 17 Oct 95 23:04:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03754; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:04:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:03:38 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03681; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:03:34 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA00675 for ; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:46:30 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 23:06:25 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 17 Oct 95 23:06:12 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:06:08 EST Subject: Re: Introductions Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: <2050B0517@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us> > > my question: i am running a tp755ce and would love to have an external > cdrom drive running under both os2 warp and dos. do you think the one you > are running will also function with the 755ce? i am particularly > wondering about the drivers :] > > would appreciate getting your opinion. > > best > > jamie > > With the Reno drive it is not so much the drive that has to work under both but the scsi adaptor. I have a parallel port adaptor, but I can't think of who makes it right now. I think it is a linksys adaptor but I will check tonight and let you know tommorrow. You could also go with a PCMCIA adaptor, as long as it worked with os2 and dos. I have been thinking of getting a QLogic PCMCIA scsi adaptor since there are supposed to be drivers for it under Linux also. That way my CD-ROM would be available to all three. As far as the CD-ROM drive itself, the Reno is an ok, but not spectacular, double speed drive. It is rather large when hooked to the computer. It can also be used as an audio only drive when not hooked to the computer and then it is about the size of a sony discman or other portable audio CD. The nice thing about it is that I have seen it for as little as $99 in a couple of ads recently, check the back of computer shopper. Of course if you dont' already have the scsi adaptor then that is another $100-200, I think mine was $149. Pete Peter W. Borders Network Engineer - Business Division - Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 00:03:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23405; Wed, 18 Oct 95 00:03:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08081; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:02:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:00:19 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07736; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:00:17 -0400 Received: from [128.125.224.62] (comserv-h-62.usc.edu [128.125.224.62]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with SMTP id UAA04856; Tue, 17 Oct 1995 20:59:47 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 21:07:35 -0700 To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us, tp750@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Introductions At 6:20 PM 10/17/95, Peter W. Borders wrote: >dual scan screen. Currently I have 8M memory and a Toshiba 528M hard >drive, without an "official" IBM case (too tall). How did you manage to work this? Some of us who would like to get an inexpensive 3rd party Hard Drive but not pay an extra $100 for the plastic case would like to know! :) ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 02:09:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00162; Wed, 18 Oct 95 02:09:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14984; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:08:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:03:22 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14733; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:03:14 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HWKHK2JHXS002QEW@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 02:02:59 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: xfree86 on 755cx In-Reply-To: <199510180152.VAA04329@jones.cs.brown.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <813996179.919803.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Right now, I am using the pre-loaded Os2/warp software to run > slip. It is so incredibly slow! This seems to be half as fast > as my sparc 1 running at 9600 baud. (I am usin the uwave modem > on the thinkpad at 14.4k and ping reports average travel time > of nearly 500ms to my slip server!) Have others had similar > experiences with os/2 slip? You need the version 2 MWave software, which will knock 300+ ms of the round trip times. It's a really noticable improvement.. Available from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in pub/mobiles as mw-something (don't know for OS2 bit it should be obvious or get pub/allfiles.txt and look it up). Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 03:57:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08874; Wed, 18 Oct 95 03:57:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25821; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:56:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:54:13 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25640; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:54:12 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA06575; Wed, 18 Oct 95 03:54:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 03:54:13 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510180754.AA06575@nile.gnat.com> To: dramsey@ro.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: value of tp750c Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu memory on 701 and 750 is quite different From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 09:25:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27960; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:25:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22741; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:21:02 -0400 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22219; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:20:52 -0400 Received: from mik.uky.edu (madonna.mik.uky.edu [128.163.117.230]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06326; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:20:11 -0700 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA13469; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:20:09 -0400 From: rodney d slone Message-Id: <9510181320.AA13469@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA10537; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:20:09 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:20:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.1.1 5/02/90) To: "Murray W. Goldberg" , cs.utk.edu!tp750@cs.ubc.ca Subject: Re: XFree86/FreeBSD on a 360 What is FreeBSD like compared to linux? I have linux and XF86 working on a thinkpad 360CSE. What is the diff between the 360C and 360CSE? I will help you if I can. -- Rodney Daryl Slone | "Grounds are pretty common." - me Electrical Engineering Senior | Nail here [] for a new monitor. University of Kentucky / 94.3% of all statistics are 87% worthless. e-mail: rdslon01@mik.uky.edu | Xerox never comes up with anything original. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 09:49:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29607; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:49:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25583; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:46:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:45:38 -0400 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25326; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:45:35 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk (mail-e.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.25]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA06571; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:44:56 -0700 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:44:23 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:44:22 +0100 Message-Id: <119447.9510181344@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: cs.utk.edu!tp750@cs.ubc.ca, goldberg@cs.ubc.ca, rdslon01@mik.uky.edu Subject: Re: XFree86/FreeBSD on a 360 Linux was written from ground up as an alternative to UNIX by Linux Tuvalds/ing (author of a really nice OS book which incorporates the full source code for linux) as a modular os which could be worked on even in a mainframe environment without taking down the whole system -- to the point of testing new device drivers in a virtual machine. Itis a nice, small, clean, integrated piece of work. FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc are all ports of BSD UNIX 4.2/4.3 (thereabouts) which are really compilations of collaborative works, possibly under question as to the proper copyright owner -- one commercial company took on AT&T in a court case to establish the right to market 386/BSD, BSD/386 (I can never recall which one is commercial and which is gnu licensed) - but as I undetstand it, their win in court only applied to BSDI Inc and did not clearly resolve the copyright issue for everyone else. If you play with NetBSD, 386BSD source code that may be OK -- but if you market it AT&T's clients (sold to Novell? resold to SCO?) may have a basis to come after you. Linus owns linux outright. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 09:51:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29629; Wed, 18 Oct 95 09:51:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26064; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:51:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:49:37 -0400 Received: from mail.ucsd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25650; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 09:49:35 -0400 Received: from conic.UUCP by mail.ucsd.edu; id GAA27392 sendmail 8.6.12/UCSD-2.2-sun via UUCP Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:49:22 -0700 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199510181349.GAA27392@mail.ucsd.edu> Received: from engineering/tomf by conic.loral.com (PMail+UDG PegWaf v0.31 93.10.18) id 8020 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:35:30 PST 8 PDT From: TOMF@conic.loral.com (Tom Franklin Tom Franklin) To: Don Ramsey Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 06:35:29 +0000 Subject: Re: value of tp750c Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: TOMF@conic.loral.com X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Organization: Loral Conic/Terracom, San Diego, CA 92123 (619) 279-0411 I recently bought a 755C 8/170/DX2-50 for $2300. With the larger memory and HD you might get the same. > Has anybody on our list seen any used TP prices lately? I'm thinking of > unloading my 750C and getting a 760. Mine has a perfect display, 20Mb of > ram, and two 340Mb drives. I was wondering what a ballpark value for it > would be. Don at dramsey@ro.com in Huntsville, AL From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 10:20:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03107; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:20:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28676; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:19:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:17:30 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28410; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:17:28 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA09042; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:08:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:08:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: ucklw08 Cc: TP750 Subject: The Free Unices In-Reply-To: <119447.9510181344@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > as I undetstand it, their win in court only applied to BSDI Inc and > did not clearly resolve the copyright issue for everyone else. If > you play with NetBSD, 386BSD source code that may be OK -- but if you > market it AT&T's clients (sold to Novell? resold to SCO?) may have > a basis to come after you. Linus owns linux outright. You're thinking of 386BSD, a Bill Jolix creation/port under USL license. NetBSD and FreeBSD were both originally 'patches' to the code. However, with the court case FreeBSD and NetBSD moved to BSD 4.4-Lite and were barred from distributing the older code (you can still legally USE it, they just can't distribute it). The 4.4-Lite code is very stable, and being maintained. People interested should go look at http://www.freebsd.org and read the 'about' and 'history' bits. It is also resellable (if you choose to build upon it to resistribute), _unlike_ the Linux stuff which is under the GPL. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 10:52:09 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06223; Wed, 18 Oct 95 10:52:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01661; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:50:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:48:39 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01362; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:48:31 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:46:36 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:46:33 +0100 Message-Id: <50372.9510181446@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Free Unices Cc: tp750 , TP750@shadow.net No, I'm thinking about BSD386 -- the BSDI product -- AT&T sued them before they started the side actions with Jolitz et al. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 11:17:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07542; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:17:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03849; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:16:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:14:57 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03668; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:14:51 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa11411; 18 Oct 95 11:08 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA10798; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:05:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Don Whiteside Cc: ucklw08 , TP750 Subject: Re: The Free Unices (GPL restrictions) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Warning - this is a digression on a digression, and not meant to fuel any flames. On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > [Question about relative merits of free unices, and some comments about > legal and usage restrictions...] > > The 4.4-Lite code is very stable, and being maintained. People interested > should go look at http://www.freebsd.org and read the 'about' and > 'history' bits. It is also resellable (if you choose to build upon it to > resistribute), _unlike_ the Linux stuff which is under the GPL. If the linux GPL is like the GNU General Public License, then that is neither a correct nor fair representation of it, in a fundamental way. As i understand it, the GPL allows any amount of resale and redistribution of the code to which it is applied, but with one very specific restriction - source code must be provided along with executables. Am i mistaken - does the Linux version actually prohibit resale? I don't mean to make any claims about the merits or burdens of this policy - that is a big bag of worms, and probably not an ideal topic for this mailing list. However, i don't want people who aren't acquainted with the situation to get the wrong impression. ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 11:41:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08629; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:41:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06250; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:39:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:38:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06143; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:38:08 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA15453; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:37:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:37:34 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510181537.AA15453@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk Subject: Re: The Free Unices Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu "The 4.4-Lite code is very stable, and being maintained. People interested should go look at http://www.freebsd.org and read the 'about' and 'history' bits. It is also resellable (if you choose to build upon it to resistribute), _unlike_ the Linux stuff which is under the GPL." Anyone can seel Linux, the idea that the GPL stops you from selling something is bogus misinformation. THe issue is whether you can make your modificatoin proprietary, not whether you can seel them. People sell Linux and other GPL based tools all the time. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 11:48:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09015; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:48:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07025; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:46:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06916; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:45:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA15534; Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:45:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:45:53 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510181545.AA15534@nile.gnat.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, klm@cnri.reston.va.us Subject: Re: The Free Unices (GPL restrictions) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk "If the linux GPL is like the GNU General Public License, then that is neither a correct nor fair representation of it, in a fundamental way. As i understand it, the GPL allows any amount of resale and redistribution of the code to which it is applied, but with one very specific restriction - source code must be provided along with executables. Am i mistaken - does the Linux version actually prohibit resale?" The GPL allows resale and redistribution without restrictions. The whole point of the GPL is that the only restriction is that you cannot take away these freedoms of resale and redistribution. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 12:14:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10536; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:14:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09456; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:11:00 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09226; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:10:57 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA4301; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:05:04 -0700 Message-Id: <9510181905.AA4301@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id D1C28367CF7FC43E852562590057A403; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:05:03 To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 18 Oct 95 11:58:59 EDT Subject: Win 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain a little off the subject but... have any of you heard of a technical cd rom call "windows 95 resource toolkit" or something like that? it's supposed to cost a couple hundred dollars. none of my distributors have heard of it. thanks in advance, Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 13:07:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14492; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:07:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13101; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:59:47 -0400 Received: from alpha1.tesent.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12820; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:59:45 -0400 Received: from notesrv1.tesent.com by alpha1.tesent.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Sep95-0149PM) id AA05412; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:00:08 -0400 Received: by notesrv1 (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA8723; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:00:03 -0400 Message-Id: <9510181700.AA8723@notesrv1> Received: from Tessera with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 4228624E1D95A42185256259005CF438; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:59:57 To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 From: Paul Ferguson/Tessera Date: 18 Oct 95 12:58:33 Subject: Re: Win 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain =================== have any of you heard of a technical cd rom call "windows 95 resource toolkit" or something like that? it's supposed to cost a couple hundred dollars. none of my distributors have heard of it. ==================== The Windows 95 Resource Kit is a 1300 page manual that comes with software (administrative tools). It lists for 50 bucks, most places sell it for 40. With my discount, I paid $27 for it. It is an invaluable resource if you want to take advantage of all the stuff that is in Windows 95 (for example, setting up one of your machines on the network to be a fax server). The Windows NT Resource Kit is 4 volumes, and that one does list for a couple hundred dollars. The 95 Kit is available from CompUSA and probably most other large-scale computer stores... pkf From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 13:07:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14488; Wed, 18 Oct 95 13:07:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13097; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:00:10 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12834; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:59:59 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA01171; Wed, 18 Oct 95 17:58:37 +0100 Message-Id: <9510181658.AA01171@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 17:58:32 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWave Modem and PC-Kermit Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk I cannot seem to get Kermit to talk to the mwave modem. I start the mwave app under Windows, and I see that the MR DTR and HS are on. But Kermit complains that there is no hardware on serial port 2, and that it will operate serial port 2 through the BIOS. Still, I do not get a response to typing (or to an "at" command). (Of course, serial port 1 [which exists] does not respond either.) Any idea? /ivo PS: No response to my request if anyone has managed to get linux to talk to the mwave. I presume this means noone has managed.... From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 14:32:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21418; Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:32:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19232; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:23:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:19:05 -0400 Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18898; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:18:55 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02214; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:18:10 MDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:18:10 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9510181818.AA02214@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 >> have any of you heard of a technical cd rom call "windows 95 resource >> toolkit" or something like that? it's supposed to cost a couple >> hundred dollars. none of my distributors have heard of it. > The Windows 95 Resource Kit is a 1300 page manual that comes with software > (administrative tools). It lists for 50 bucks, most places sell it for 40. > With my discount, I paid $27 for it. It is an invaluable resource if you > want to take advantage of all the stuff that is in Windows 95 (for example, > setting up one of your machines on the network to be a fax server). The > Windows NT Resource Kit is 4 volumes, and that one does list for a couple > hundred dollars. The 95 Kit is available from CompUSA and probably most > other large-scale computer stores... Isn't this thrown in for free with the Win95 GA release on CD-ROM? I know that there is a "resource kit" directory on my CD, as I've used it a few times in setting up the Win95 SLIP/PPP scripting software. Before throwing more money at Brother Bill, you might want to check your CD or borrow someone else's in the event that you have the floppy disk version of the Win95 distribution. -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:17:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24617; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:17:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23778; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:15:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:11:11 -0400 Received: from alpha1.tesent.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23091; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:11:08 -0400 Received: from notesrv1.tesent.com by alpha1.tesent.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Sep95-0149PM) id AA05492; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:11:33 -0400 Received: by notesrv1 (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA8798; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:11:28 -0400 Message-Id: <9510181911.AA8798@notesrv1> Received: from Tessera with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id 1BD9A1939DF20E8F852562590068E3DE; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:11:26 To: tp750 From: Paul Ferguson/Tessera Date: 18 Oct 95 15:10:49 Subject: Re: Win 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain >> The Windows 95 Resource Kit is a 1300 page manual that comes with software >> (administrative tools). It lists for 50 bucks, most places sell it for 40. >> With my discount, I paid $27 for it. It is an invaluable resource if you >> want to take advantage of all the stuff that is in Windows 95 (for example, >> setting up one of your machines on the network to be a fax server). The >> Windows NT Resource Kit is 4 volumes, and that one does list for a couple >> hundred dollars. The 95 Kit is available from CompUSA and probably most >> other large-scale computer stores... > Isn't this thrown in for free with the Win95 GA release on CD-ROM? I know > that there is a "resource kit" directory on my CD, as I've used it a few > times in setting up the Win95 SLIP/PPP scripting software. > > Before throwing more money at Brother Bill, you might want to check your CD > or borrow someone else's in the event that you have the floppy disk version > of the Win95 distribution. Gee, don't you think he can use the cash? He isn't done wallpapering his new place yet! Actually, you do get the tools on the CDROM, but you don't get the 1300 pages of text. I stand by my earlier contention that if you want to get a lot of detailed information on how to exploit many features in Windows 95, you should at least take a look at the book. Also, if you are going to be responsible for rolling 95 out to a large population it has some good planning ideas. I don't like tithing to Redmond much myself (being a former Lotus employee), but in this case, it's worth been worth it for me... pkf From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:34:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25636; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:34:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26160; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:31:17 -0400 Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25972; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:31:14 -0400 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id MAA05878; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:00:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:00:18 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199510181900.MAA05878@netcom6.netcom.com> To: dwhite@shadow.net, klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Subject: Re: The Free Unices (GPL restrictions) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ucklw08@ucl.ac.uk The GPL requires that (1) you must ship source or make it available; (2) anyone who receives the program from you can redistribute it further under the GPL; (3) any modified versions that you distribute of a GPL'd program must also be GPL'd. The idea is to make sure that not only is the original GPL'd program free, but everyone can get the source so that they can modify and improve it, and the improved versions are also free. Although the Linux kernel is GPL'd BSD 4.4-lite kernel is not, all the complete programming environments that I know of based on these kernels, including the commercial BSDI system, depend heavily on GPL'd software such as the GNU C compiler. So if you buy a BSDI system, its kernel is proprietary but you're allowed to freely redistribute the C compiler that came with it. For more info, see the GPL itself (distributed with Linux and with all GNU programs such as GNU Emacs), or the article "What is Copyleft?" in the Free Software Foundation newsletter "GNU's Bulletin", or write fsf@gnu.ai.mit.edu. The list has been very active lately--I hope we can keep further traffic on this subject to a minimum. Thanks From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:45:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26468; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:45:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27163; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:40:32 -0400 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26885; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:40:29 -0400 Received: from ladybug.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t5eLh-00024NC; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:40 PDT Received: by ladybug.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA07583; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:40:22 +0800 From: czs00@oes.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <9510181940.AA07583@ladybug.oes.amdahl.com> Subject: Buying a Thinkpad To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am ready to buy a Thinkpad. I think I want to buy a TP760CD, 12.1 screen, 1.2Gb drive. From what I understand, with this model, I would get an external floppy drive, and the capability of mounting a second internal HD. It would come pre-loaded with Dos, Windows 3.1 and OS/2. I have received the following quotes: PC-direct 7449$ - 2 weeks wait time PC-connection 7245$ - back-ordered - 2 weeks PCsCompleat 7190$ - back-ordered - 2 weeks DirectWare 7145$ - shipping now USA-Flex 6889$ - back-ordered - 4 weeks I am only now coming to the PC world, so I am not familiar with these companies. I would appreciate hearing your (good or bad) opinion on my choice of model, and on the companies I have contacted. I would also like to hear suggestions for other mail order places I should check. Thanks for your help. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 15:58:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27359; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:58:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28615; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:55:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:54:17 -0400 Received: from halon.sybase.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28235; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:54:13 -0400 Received: from sybase.com (sybgate) by halon.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybFW4.0) id AA00842; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 12:52:59 -0700 Received: from shelty.sybase.com by sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.4) id AA02908; Wed, 18 Oct 95 12:53:26 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:56:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Life is just a bowl of queries! To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <951018135632.4cd@sybase.com> Subject: TP760CV? Gentlepeople, Has anyone heard (rumors) about any possibility of IBM producing a CV or CDV version of the TP760? I am in the market for a 755CDV in the medium future (less than 1 year) but would be very interested in the larger, finer-resolution screen of the 760 series if IBM is planning to produce one in a reasonable timeframe. (No, I have not heard any such rumors and don't wish to start any; I'm only inquiring...and hoping IBM has access to our exchanges so they see that at least somebody's interested!) Thanks, Jim * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * Jim Melton Work Telephone: +1.801.942.0144 Sybase, Inc. Fax: +1.801.942.3345 (by arrangement only) 1930 Viscounti Dr. Internet: jim.melton@sybase.com Sandy, UT 84093 X/Open Email: j.melton@xopen.co.uk USA * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * * * * Facts are facts. Any opinions expressed are mine alone and do not * * necessarily reflect the opinions of my employer nor anybody else * * with whom I may or may not have discussed the subject at hand. * * * * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * - * From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 18:09:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07539; Wed, 18 Oct 95 18:09:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02983; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:37:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:33:39 -0400 Received: from dorite1.iquest.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02436; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:33:36 -0400 Received: from ts1-ind-19.iquest.net by dorite1.iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #16) id m0t5fAq-0003E0C; Wed, 18 Oct 95 15:33 EST Received: by ts1-ind-19.iquest.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BA9D6E.B63E2780@ts1-ind-19.iquest.net>; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:30:53 -0500 Message-Id: <01BA9D6E.B63E2780@ts1-ind-19.iquest.net> From: "Michael P. Mahoney" To: "'Thinkpad Group'" Subject: Upgrade of 755cx Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:30:41 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that IBM has released TP's with 90 and 120 chips, is it or will it, be possible to upgrade the 755cx? Thanks Mike Mahoney mahoneym@iquest.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 20:57:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19456; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22567; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:53:37 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22326; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:53:35 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:53:29 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 01:53:31 +0100 Message-Id: <120736.9510190053@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: http://www.pc.ibm.com/ Has anyone used the online system disk upgrade file to upgrade the firmware in a Thinkpad 750Cs? I'd like to do the upgrade; but I don't want to trash my motherboard because of problems in the online file. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 18 21:44:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22290; Wed, 18 Oct 95 21:44:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26349; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:42:04 -0400 Received: from inc.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26242; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 21:42:00 -0400 Received: from inc.net by inc.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02665; Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:15:10 CDT Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 20:15:08 CDT Message-Id: <9510190115.AA02665@inc.net> X-Sender: josephw@beta.inc.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: josephw@inc.net (Joseph C. Wilson) Subject: Re: Buying a Thinkpad We recently purchased 7 ThinkPad 755cx's from PC-Direct and were v. happy with their service, price, & support. They were willing to meet other vendors' prices plus have a great 30-day no questions asked moneyback guarantee. I have also had excellent luck w/ PC-Connection for software & peripherals. No experience w/ PC'sCompleat or DirectWare. Absolutely awful experience w/ USA-Flex and will never even consider them for anything again (they lied about software in stcok and caused major panic for key project). Lest you think I am biased my experience seems to be the norm based on comments I have seen on the 'Net (see comp.sys.laptops). Good luck Joe Wilson From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 00:08:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00352; Thu, 19 Oct 95 00:08:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07124; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:05:56 -0400 Received: from clark.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06909; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:05:54 -0400 Received: (brendan@localhost) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id AAA23636; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:04:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 00:04:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Brendan Hoar To: ucklw08 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: http://www.pc.ibm.com/ In-Reply-To: <120736.9510190053@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, ucklw08 wrote: > Has anyone used the online system disk upgrade file to upgrade the firmware > in a Thinkpad 750Cs? I'd like to do the upgrade; but I don't want to trash > my motherboard because of problems in the online file. I used it to upgrade my Thinkpad 360Cs. Worked fine. Has a particularly silly "failsafe" mechanism - requires you to reboot with the disk *twice* before it'll go into reprogram mode. -b! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 03:21:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15715; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:21:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18172; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:19:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:15:22 -0400 Received: from gw.svskt.se by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17122; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:15:13 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gw.svskt.se (8.6.12/8.6.6) id IAA08742 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:43 +0100 Received: from u30003.rsv.svskt.se(137.59.103.3) by gw.svskt.se via smap (V1.3) id sma008739; Thu Oct 19 08:14:18 1995 Received: from u09003.skm09.svskt.se (u09003.skm09.svskt.se [137.59.175.5]) by u30003.rsv.svskt.se (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA21077 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:31 +0100 Message-Id: <199510190714.IAA21077@u30003.rsv.svskt.se> Received: from a25433.skm09.svskt.se by u09003.skm09.svskt.se with SMTP (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA037966870; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:14:30 +0100 X-Sender: jancla@bysen.skm09.svskt.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 08:11:41 +0200 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Jan Clareus Subject: subscribe subscribe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Clareus | Only .... | Tel: +46 498 292253 RSV DataService | | Fax: +46 498 249263 Ostra Regionen | | Email: jancla@bysen.skm09.svskt.se 621 87 Visby, Sweden | | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 03:49:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17371; Thu, 19 Oct 95 03:49:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24811; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:48:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:46:16 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24569; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 03:46:10 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA01701; Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:45:37 +0100 Message-Id: <9510190745.AA01701@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Thu, 19 Oct 95 08:45:36 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Vendor Experiences Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk I have had good experiences with PCs Compleat, and absolutely miserable experiences with USA Flex. I will never again buy from them. /ivo welch From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 15:22:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19565; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:22:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22957; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:19:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:39 -0400 Received: from math.umd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22417; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:37 -0400 Received: from hilda.umd.edu (hilda.umd.edu [129.2.56.21]) by math.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA27858; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:01 -0400 From: Marek R Rychlik - (visitor) Received: (mrr@localhost) by hilda.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA06073; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:13:20 -0400 Message-Id: <199510191913.PAA06073@hilda.umd.edu> To: pp002453@pop3.interramp.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 15:23:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19574; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:23:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22967; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:19:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:10:40 -0400 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22119; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:10:30 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA11037; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:21:04 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01841; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:05:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9510191905.AA01841@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id EB275ED642DAF5C18525625A005C616D; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:05:20 EDT To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 19 Oct 95 12:51:34 EDT Subject: 760CD internals and speed comparisons? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Does anyone know what's inside the 760CD (video chipset, memory type, bus architecture, etc.)? Just wondering if it can be used w/ an external video card in a docking bay and whether Linux can be loaded on it... Also, have there been comparisons on speed w/ a comparable P90 desktop and other portables in this class such as Tecras? thanks, ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 15:52:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24947; Thu, 19 Oct 95 15:52:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25989; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:49:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:48:15 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25873; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:48:13 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA08826; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:46:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cat's tongue part # ? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:09:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27472; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:09:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27838; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:06:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:04:58 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27398; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:04:55 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa17895; 19 Oct 95 16:03 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA14046; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:03:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know whether IBM's SCSI-2 PCMCIA card is relabelled from another manufacturer, or whether it's identical to some other one? I'm asking because i plan to run linux on a 701cs (once i get the machine - just a few more weeks!), and did not see the card on the list of linux- SUPPORTED-CARDS (ftp://hyper.stanford.edu/pub/pcmcia/SUPPORTED.CARDS). I'm concerned about identifying, asap, whether or not the card will work with linux, because i believe i only have a 30-day return period on it, and three weeks of that period will be consumed by the time i'll be able to make any moves on installing linux on the system. Alternately, anyone have an email address @ibm for this kind of question? Thanks! ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:17:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28197; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:17:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28537; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:14:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:13:19 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28407; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:13:12 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA08864; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:11:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Ken Manheimer wrote: > I can't help but ask - what is a cat's tongue? (I mean, in the > context of thinkpads. I know what a cat and a tongue are!-) Oops, sorry about that. It's the unofficial name for the new Trackpoint caps. The textured, no-slip ones. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:32:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00060; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:32:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23473; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:23:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:33 -0400 Received: from math.umd.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23218; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:29 -0400 Received: from hilda.umd.edu (hilda.umd.edu [129.2.56.21]) by math.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA28045; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:05 -0400 From: Marek R Rychlik - (visitor) Received: (mrr@localhost) by hilda.umd.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA06121; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 15:21:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199510191921.PAA06121@hilda.umd.edu> To: pp002453@pop3.interramp.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 16:45:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00302; Thu, 19 Oct 95 16:45:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01677; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:42:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:40:59 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01445; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 16:40:49 -0400 Received: from icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (icarus2.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.8]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6c) with ESMTP id NAA19890; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:41:04 -0700 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.6.12/b) with ESMTP id NAA08043; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:40:25 -0700 Received: by cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (SMI-8.6/SMIb) id NAA07385; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:40:21 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 13:40:21 -0700 From: stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart Biggar) Message-Id: <199510192040.NAA07385@cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >Does anyone know whether IBM's SCSI-2 PCMCIA card is relabelled from >another manufacturer, or whether it's identical to some other one? I'm asking because i plan to run linux on a 701cs (once i get the machine - >just a few more weeks!), and did not see the card on the list of linux- >SUPPORTED-CARDS (ftp://hyper.stanford.edu/pub/pcmcia/SUPPORTED.CARDS). Ken, I have an IBM PCMCIA SCSI card. I believe that it is a relabled Future Domain card as it runs with a new FD16-700.ADD (the same ADD drives a FD1680 ISA SCSI card). I have never tried Linux. I have run the IBM card under OS/2 Warp and Warp Connect on an IBM 755CX and under Warp on a Toshiba T4600C. The card also works under DOS/Win on the 755CX. I have used it with a HP1533A tape drive and a Toshiba 2X SCSI-2 CDROM. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 18:13:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23647; Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:13:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06532; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:28:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:26:24 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06092; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:26:20 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa19559; 19 Oct 95 17:23 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA14267; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:23:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:23:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Stuart Biggar Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability In-Reply-To: <199510192040.NAA07385@cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Stuart Biggar wrote: > I have an IBM PCMCIA SCSI card. I believe that it is a > relabled Future Domain card as it runs with a new > FD16-700.ADD (the same ADD drives a FD1680 ISA SCSI > card). Thanks for the info! Do you happen to know whether that's definitive indication that they're the same card? I'm new to the PC domain - i mostly work with RISC Unix stations, and the hardware there is *so* much less complicated (probably because there are *so* many fewer vendors!) ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 18:42:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25136; Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11812; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:37:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:49 -0400 Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11547; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:48 -0400 From: Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA16330; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:34:02 -0400 Message-Id: <951019183402_48989781@emout04.mail.aol.com> To: jokim@tuna.mit.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ?and WARNING In a message dated 95-10-19 15:50:20 EDT, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) writes: >I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) >and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------- I'm not sure exactly about the part number for the new Trackpoint caps (Cat's Tongues) but here is the phone number for a free replacement cap from IBM... 1-800-520-8765--- They request your model and serial number of your Thinkpad. This is what IBM has to say for the caps... =============================================================== Dear Customer, Recently, IBM discovered that a small number of the smooth rubber caps used on some Trackpoint pointing devices found on certain models of ThinkPad computers may, over time, contribute to keyboard malfunction. To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering ThinkPad owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers with the upgraded, no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's latest ThinkPad models. Enclosed, you'll find a no-slip replacement cap. IBM recommends that you replace and discard the smooth cap presently in use on your ThinkPad. For further information call 800-772-2227 in the US; in Canada call 800-565-3344 We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Sincerely, IBM From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 18:51:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26501; Thu, 19 Oct 95 18:51:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12460; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:48:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:47:28 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12373; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:47:19 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa21010; 19 Oct 95 18:42 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA15713; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:42:41 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 18:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Stuart Biggar , ThinkPad Mailing List Cc: David Hinds Subject: Re: Seeking details on the IBM SCSI-2 PCMCIA card: linux compatability In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Regarding my question, i have a definitive answer on the identity of the IBM CreditCard SCSI-2 adaptor card - stuart biggar was correct, it's a Future Domain 16-700. (This may be unfortunate, since that card is not on the list of supported cards, and david hinds - who produced the linux PCMCIA package - says the FD1680 is not currently supported...) I'm very pleased, nonetheless, to get an unequivocal answer from ibm on the identity of the card. I contacted askibm@info.ibm.com, and was referred to their "Info Support" center (1-800-772-2227). A responsive person there sent me to an Options support person. The options person dug up the OEM info (and happens to run linux on his home machine, so he definitely knew what i was talking about), and was quite helpful and informed. Now i have to determine whether it's likely that a driver for the FD16-700 will be produced any time soon, or to send back the IBM card and get one of the supported ones. However, i'm in a much better position to decide! (My apologies to the people on the list with little or no interest in the trials and tribulations of linux on the thinkpads - the identity of the card's OEM probably won't be of much use to you, since you could just use the standard drivers that come with the card. Still, i figure this info will be helpful to more than just the linux minority...) ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 21:01:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07090; Thu, 19 Oct 95 21:01:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19904; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:57:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:55:41 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19743; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:55:39 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id RAA09181 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:55:31 -0700 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma009176; Thu Oct 19 17:55:28 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA03065 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:57:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:57:57 -0700 Message-Id: <199510200057.RAA03065@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Ted Frederick Subject: TP755 and DockII... I've got a 755 CDV P-75, 40MB RAM, 810HDD, a 3COM PCMCIA ethernet adaptor, DockII and an internal, removable IDE drive in the DockII (SyQuest EZ135 removable cartridge). I'm running Win95. All the IRQ's are filled, no conflicts. When I dock the TP I get about 10 minutes of use before the system freezes. I have to do a manual un-dock and hit the reset button on the back to get it back from the land of the lost... The system runs fine when it is not docked. I've had the system sent into EasyServ and they couldn't reproduce the problem, they did, however send a floppy with some sort of patch on it that the config.sys loads. It has yielded no increase in system stability. The lock-up is unpredictable and there is no discrete event that I can ID that would lead me to the source of the problem. Anyone have any experience dealing with the TP and the DockII that might be able to lend some insight into this problem? Thanks, -Ted ******************************** Ted Frederick Mgr. DM Practice Cadence Design Systems tedf@cadence.com ******************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 19 23:15:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15132; Thu, 19 Oct 95 23:15:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29973; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:11:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:08:24 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29772; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:08:20 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id UAA17346; Thu, 19 Oct 1995 20:08:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199510200308.UAA17346@PEAK.ORG> Sender: From: "Jim Lee" Organization: Diamond Quest Consulting To: Ted Frederick Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:41:43 -8 Subject: Re: TP755 and DockII... Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:57:57 -0700 > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > From: Ted Frederick > Subject: TP755 and DockII... > I've got a 755 CDV P-75, 40MB RAM, 810HDD, a 3COM PCMCIA ethernet adaptor, > DockII and an internal, removable IDE drive in the DockII (SyQuest EZ135 > removable cartridge). > > I'm running Win95. All the IRQ's are filled, no conflicts. > > When I dock the TP I get about 10 minutes of use before the system freezes. > I have to do a manual un-dock and hit the reset button on the back to get it > back from the land of the lost... > > The system runs fine when it is not docked. > > I've had the system sent into EasyServ and they couldn't reproduce the > problem, they did, however send a floppy with some sort of patch on it that > the config.sys loads. It has yielded no increase in system stability. > > The lock-up is unpredictable and there is no discrete event that I can ID > that would lead me to the source of the problem. > > Anyone have any experience dealing with the TP and the DockII that might be > able to lend some insight into this problem? > > Thanks, > -Ted > ******************************** > Ted Frederick > Mgr. DM Practice > Cadence Design Systems > tedf@cadence.com > ******************************** > > Not that this helps very much, but I experience the exact same thing with my TP755CX/Win95/DockII combination. No (known) IRQ or address conflicts, but the system locks up unpredictably causing me to either manually undock and reset, or unplug AC and pull the battery. It is interesting that the '755CX very rarely locks up when undocked. Disabling the Adaptec SCSI adapter doesn't help, but pulling my RAM expansion card and running with 8MB does reduce the lockup frequency, but doesn't eliminate it. IBM support has been no help whatsoever. An interesting note - by pulling my 1.2GB disk out (Win95) and replacing it with my 810MB disk (Linux), I can run docked all day running X with 24MB, local ethernet, and a SLIP connection ... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 06:08:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07221; Fri, 20 Oct 95 06:08:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA21730; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 06:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 05:57:38 -0400 Received: from gps.leeds.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21250; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 05:57:34 -0400 Received: (from engjcc@localhost) by gps.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA00662; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:57:08 +0100 From: J C Cummings Message-Id: <199510200957.KAA00662@gps.leeds.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ?and WARNING To: Mark3M@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:57:07 +0100 (BST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: <951019183402_48989781@emout04.mail.aol.com> from "Mark3M@aol.com" at Oct 19, 95 06:34:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 95-10-19 15:50:20 EDT, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) > writes: > > >I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) > >and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------- > > I'm not sure exactly about the part number for the new Trackpoint caps (Cat's > Tongues) but here is the phone number for a free replacement cap from IBM... > 1-800-520-8765--- They request your model and serial number of your Thinkpad. > > This is what IBM has to say for the caps... > > =============================================================== > > Dear Customer, > > Recently, IBM discovered that a small number of the smooth rubber caps used > on some Trackpoint pointing devices found on certain models of ThinkPad > computers may, over time, contribute to keyboard malfunction. > > To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering ThinkPad > owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers with the upgraded, > no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's latest ThinkPad models. > > Enclosed, you'll find a no-slip replacement cap. IBM recommends that you > replace and discard the smooth cap presently in use on your ThinkPad. For > further information call 800-772-2227 in the US; in Canada call 800-565-3344 > > We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. > > Sincerely, > > IBM > Not that I want to press a point, but whom do I call? Is there a number for the UK. I bought my tp750 at home in Canada, but I've been here a year, and will be another 3 at least. ;-) Can someone give me the IBM UK (preferrably free) number? thanks. -- James Cummings School of English, University of Leeds. James. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 09:40:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16661; Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:40:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05647; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:36:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:34:10 -0400 Received: from mcmail.vanderbilt.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05028; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:34:08 -0400 From: Received: from in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu by mcmail.vanderbilt.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA08196; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:35:26 -0500 Received: from ccMail by in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu (SMTPLINK V2.10.05) id AA814202507; Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:34:43 CST Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 08:34:43 CST Message-Id: <9509208142.AA814202507@in2.mcmail.vanderbilt.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux Hi all This is my first post to tp750. I work for Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville Tn. as a Network Tech. I don't yet own a TP. My last employer The Future Now ( a Great Information Technology Solution Provider IMHO ) supplied me with a TP 750 monocrome, with 20 Megs RAM. I liked it so much I am looking to buy a new one. I am leaning to getting a 701c and will probable buy in a week or so. I would, of course love to hear any coments there might be for or against, including any problems. My last point and the real reason I am posting, is, One of my concerns is the ablility to run Linux. I am very interested in the threads relating to the compatiblity issue. I am sure I will be even more interested once I get on and start configuring Linux. One question I have at this time, is, is there a software update already for the sound chipset inthe TP 701c (Mwave right?) To make it a 28,8k Modem, or is 14,4k still the speed limit? Thanks, I am thus far really injoying the group. Kevan P. Riley kevan.riley@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu or kriley@isdn.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 13:21:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00266; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:21:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26936; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:17:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:14:02 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26520; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:13:57 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA17965 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:13:48 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA28493 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:13:47 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05522; Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:09:16 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 10:09:16 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510201709.AA05522@berlioz.nsc.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: tape back up Hello, I just got a TP755CX with 24MB ram and 810MB HD. I am planning to repartition the HD and install Linux on it in a different partition, so I need to back up all the data first. I want to buy a tape back up which will eventually work on all DOS/OS2/Windows as well as Linux environment. Anyone have any recommendation on what to buy? If I am not mistaken, Linux does not support tape drive on parallel port, so the low cost parallel port tape back up is out of the question. I know I can get tape back up running on floppy controller, but I am not exactly sure how am I go to make it work with a notebook even though the floppy drive is removeable. So the the last option is through the PCMCIA SCSI adaptor with a SCSI tape drive. Can anyone tell me if I am right or wrong? If I am to go for a PCMCIA solution, any recommendation of the adaptors and tape drives? Thanks in advance. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 13:39:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00648; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:39:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28304; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:31:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:30:20 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28120; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:30:18 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA43241; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 17:30:16 GMT Message-Id: <199510201730.AA43241@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 18:26:02 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: TP755CD PROBLEMS WITH VIDEOS IN WARP I'm trying to see mpeg or quickmotion videos (.mov or .mpe), but the multimedia browser doesn't load any of these files (vb.exe). Does anybody using OS/2 WARP on Thinkpads give me a hand? Many thanks! Bye by Alby/Warp From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 13:46:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04412; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:46:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28871; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:37:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:36:36 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28791; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:36:32 -0400 Received: from icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (icarus2.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.8]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6c) with ESMTP id KAA20155 for ; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:36:38 -0700 Received: (from stu@localhost) by icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.6.12/b) id KAA13402 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:36:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:36:00 -0700 From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199510201736.KAA13402@icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: tape back up I have a TP755CX with a Dock II. I have used a HP1533A in an external box with both the Adaptech controller in the Dock II and with an IBM PCMCIA SCSI card. These both work fine under OS/2 with software called BakupWiz. I have not used the tape under any OS other than OS/2. The IBM PCMCIA SCSI card is basically a Future Domain controller. It comes with DOS/Win drivers (PowerSCSI) and OS/2 drivers. I have used it with the tape and with a CD-ROM under both DOS/Win and OS/2 when the card was plugged into both the internal PCMCIA slots and the PCMCIA slots in an IBM port replicator. The HP1533A is quite fast and holds 4GB on a DDS-2 tape. It faster on some Pentium desktops with PCI bus SCSI controllers (HP Vectra XU) but is still quite speedy on my 755CX (about 28 Meg/minute off the 810 M or 1.2 G internal TP drives). At some point I plan to install a SCSI drive in the Dock and I expect it might dump a bit faster? The drive will compress things so you can put lots on a tape. I am curious if others have tried Solaris X86 or Win NT on a 755CX ? In a Dock II? (I have a 3Com 509B-combo in the dock which works fine with Warp Connect, NFS and PMX (with CSDs) on thin ethernet). Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona 1600 N. Country Club Rd, Ste 100 Tucson, AZ 85716-3160 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 16:52:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20360; Fri, 20 Oct 95 16:52:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19775; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:48:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:40:41 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19071; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:40:35 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA28664 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:40:33 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA08012 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:40:30 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12332; Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:35:57 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 13:35:57 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510202035.AA12332@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on DOS partition Hello, Anyone had any experience of installing Linux on DOS partition? What is the pros and cons? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 20 19:56:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00399; Fri, 20 Oct 95 19:56:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04010; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:55:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:51:24 -0400 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03768; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:51:13 -0400 From: Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA14759; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:50:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 19:50:34 -0400 Message-Id: <951020195034_49963878@mail06.mail.aol.com> To: engjcc@gps.leeds.ac.uk Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cat's tongue part # ?and WARNING In a message dated 95-10-20 05:57:49 EDT, engjcc@gps.leeds.ac.uk (J C Cummings) writes: >> >> In a message dated 95-10-19 15:50:20 EDT, jokim@tuna.mit.edu (John H. Kim) >> writes: >> >> >I finally got to try one (for some reason it completely slipped my mind) >> >and I LOVE it! What was the part number and order phone number again? >> >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >> I'm not sure exactly about the part number for the new Trackpoint caps >(Cat's >> Tongues) but here is the phone number for a free replacement cap from >IBM... >> 1-800-520-8765--- They request your model and serial number of your >Thinkpad. >> >> This is what IBM has to say for the caps... >> >> =============================================================== >> >> Dear Customer, >> >> Recently, IBM discovered that a small number of the smooth rubber caps used >> on some Trackpoint pointing devices found on certain models of ThinkPad >> computers may, over time, contribute to keyboard malfunction. >> >> To ensure the continued satisfaction of customers, IBM is offering ThinkPad >> owners a free replacement cap. IBM will provide customers with the >upgraded, >> no-slip rubber TrackPoint caps featured on IBM's latest ThinkPad models. >> >> Enclosed, you'll find a no-slip replacement cap. IBM recommends that you >> replace and discard the smooth cap presently in use on your ThinkPad. For >> further information call 800-772-2227 in the US; in Canada call >800-565-3344 >> >> We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> IBM >> > > >Not that I want to press a point, but whom do I call? Is there a number for >the UK. I bought my tp750 at home in Canada, but I've been here a year, and >will be another 3 at least. ;-) > >Can someone give me the IBM UK (preferrably free) number? > >thanks. ----------------------------------------- I'm not sure about UK's number to contact about the new Trackpoint caps but here is the general technical support number: (I don't think it's toll free) (44)-81-940-6001 *The number in parentheses () is the country code.* -Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 05:01:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06313; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:01:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08661; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 05:01:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:56:39 -0400 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08293; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:56:38 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA00689; Sat, 21 Oct 95 05:07:29 EDT Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15822; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 04:51:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9510210851.AA15822@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id 82D6F87E9499FEF78525625B005420D1; Sat, 21 Oct 95 04:51:26 EDT To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 20 Oct 95 11:20:20 EDT Subject: Re: TP701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain > One question I have at this time, is, is there a software update already for > the sound chipset inthe TP 701c (Mwave right?) To make it a 28,8k Modem, or is > 14,4k still the speed limit? The TP 701C does *not* have an mWave. It has an ESS chipset which is not reprogrammable... ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 15:40:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14582; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:40:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17573; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:38:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:34:53 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17216; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:34:52 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA26748; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:29:59 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: TP750 Subject: Dock 2 availibility Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm considering dumping my desktop and getting a Dock 2. (I can just abotu swap even) Anyone suggest someplace where I can do better than the PC Direct $710? Any reason to believe the D2 will be offered at a lower price when the new dock (for the 760s, and apparently it will be backwards compatible, according to my IBM rep) comes out in the next few months? Also, any enhanced video on it? Will I be able to do better than 256 colors or is the video subsystem in the 'pad itself all I get? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 15:50:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15762; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:50:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18272; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:47:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:46:41 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18089; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:46:31 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA20887; Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:46:31 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 15:46:31 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510211946.AA20887@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: fast 760's are the 760's with the faster Pentium out yet? I have seen only the slower 90MHz versions advertised, and the big IBM ad in the Times mentioned only the 90MHz version. Also are the CD ROM versions available (is it in fact a different unit?) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 16:04:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16689; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:04:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19168; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:02:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:00:35 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19029; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:00:25 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa12538; 21 Oct 95 15:52 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA20485; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:52:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:52:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: TP750 Subject: Dock 2 description? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd be interested in hearing a description of the Dock II. I'm trying to decide how best to provide for a CD ROM for my impending thinkpad, and am wondering whether a dockII would be a better route, in the long run, than a PCMCIA SCSI + CD ROM drive. (I suspect, from a recent message, that the dock II would initially be more expensive, but i presume it would offer more extensibility...) (I actually spent a while search IBM's pc web site for this info, but was surprised to be unable to turn up any clues.) Thanks! ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 16:29:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18193; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:29:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20789; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:27:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:26:09 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20665; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:26:06 -0400 Received: from icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (icarus2.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.8]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.6.8.1/8.6.6c) with ESMTP id NAA20833; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:26:38 -0700 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by icarus2.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.6.12/b) with ESMTP id NAA17053; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:26:02 -0700 Received: by cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (SMI-8.6/SMIb) id NAA10276; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:25:57 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:25:57 -0700 From: stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart Biggar) Message-Id: <199510212025.NAA10276@cobra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Dock 2 description ? Cc: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII >I'd be interested in hearing a description of the Dock II. Dock II is OK - good for a normal CD-ROM (I have a Toshiba 4X SCSI one) in the large bay (5 1/4" half-height). The Dock II also has a 1" high 5 1/4" bay (I intend to put a 1" 3.5" SCSI hard drive in that one using an adapter). The Dock II has an Adaptech SCSI controller (int 9-12 only), 2 PCMCIA slots (they can be used without an interrupt for insertion - at least under OS/2 Warp), 2 full length 16-bit ISA slots (connectors on the right side at rear) and two speakers. Serial, parallel, SCSI (50 pin compact connector like on a Sun), keyboard and mouse ports, external monitor, external diskette, and pairs of RCA audio in and out. I have not used anything except SCSI, keyboard and mouse. The mouse and keyboard on the TP can be used when a keyboard and mouse are plugged in (at least that works with an IBM keyboard I have). I have a 3C509-combo card in the Dock and use Connect. There is a volume control on the front of the dock to control the volume of the dock speakers. There is also a key lock on the left side along with the release lever which pushed the TP out of the Dock connector. I think that there is also an IDE controller in it so you can install IDE drives or even a TP drive ("To attach ThinkPad hard disk drive, do the following ..."). I have NOT done anything with the IDE stuff. It also has a front panel power switch which turns on the TP when in the dock (you can also use the TP switch). There is also a LCD panel with indicators for things like the disk drive ... It is big (15.7" deep, 4.8" high at the back, and 15" wide) and it weighs about 17 lb. You would NOT want to type much on the TP keyboard when in the Dock - you want to get an external keyboard. My Dock seems to hum intermittently - I have not tried to figure out why yet. Hope this helps. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona 1600 N. Country Club Rd, Ste 100 Tucson, AZ 85716-3160 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 21 16:56:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20405; Sat, 21 Oct 95 16:56:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22578; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:54:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:49:58 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22192; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:49:56 -0400 Received: from seminole.gate.net (jbush@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id QAA26565; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:44:03 -0400 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA30787; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:46:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 16:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: James Bush To: Don Whiteside Cc: TP750 Subject: Re: Dock 2 availibility In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII don try cdw at 1-800-410-4239 ext. 7266 and that will be oren. i have found him to be reliable and the prices can't be beat. he knows me only too well ]]] On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > I'm considering dumping my desktop and getting a Dock 2. (I can just > abotu swap even) Anyone suggest someplace where I can do better than the > PC Direct $710? Any reason to believe the D2 will be offered at a lower jamie From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 00:33:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18120; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20797; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:31:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:27:41 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20438; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:27:39 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17855; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:27:12 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0104; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:26:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:26:11 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510220426.AA0104@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 21 Oct 1995 13:25:57 -0700 from stu@icarus2.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart Biggar) Subject: Dock 2 description ? I think that there is also an IDE controller in it so you can install IDE drives or even a TP drive ("To attach ThinkPad hard disk drive, do the following ..."). I have NOT done anything with the IDE stuff. I suspect that there's no separate controller in the dock, but rather that the TP internal controller bus is ported to the dock. I use an IDE hard disk in the dock and it works fine. These disks are so cheap right now that it's a great way to get lots of storage. Additionally, I've used the TP disk adapter (an add-on option) to mount a second TP disk inside the dock. This has been extremely valuable for me, because I have several colleagues who also have ThinkPads, and this provides a simple mechanism for copying operating systems. (This is particularly easy with Linux, since the entire disk image can just be copied onto the second disk.) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 00:47:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18680; Sun, 22 Oct 95 00:47:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21408; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:45:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:44:26 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21271; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 00:44:25 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA12775 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:43:20 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id VAA21695; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 21:34:04 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA814334300 Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:58:20 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 20:58:20 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 1058 Text Message-Id: <9509218143.AA814334300@espmail.email.com> To: Ted.Frederick@unix.portal.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: TP755 and DockII... >>I've got a 755 CDV P-75, 40MB RAM, 810HDD, a 3COM PCMCIA ethernet adaptor, >>DockII and an internal, removable IDE drive in the DockII (SyQuest EZ135 >>removable cartridge). >> >>I'm running Win95. All the IRQ's are filled, no conflicts. >> >>When I dock the TP I get about 10 minutes of use before the system freezes. >>I have to do a manual un-dock and hit the reset button on the back to get it >>back from the land of the lost... >>The system runs fine when it is not docked. Ted, I'm running a TP755 CX P-75, 24M/540M,3COM's 589, Dock_II, SyQuest 270M SCSI external, CD-ROM internal to dock, etc (few other transient cards), running Win95 docked and undocked. I'm having no problems, no hang conditions. I propose that since your problem occurrs only when docked, that you disconnect everything from Dock II and see if the hang still occurs. If so, its got to be the dock (or the TPs connector to it); if not, start adding parts back into the dock and test until it hangs. Joe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 02:39:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25861; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:39:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25984; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:37:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:35 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25646; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:33 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17411 for ; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:33:20 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id XAA24173 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:24:12 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA814339402 Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:22 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:22 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 1796 Text Message-Id: <9509218143.AA814339402@espmail.email.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Dock 2 description? >>I'd be interested in hearing a description of the Dock II. I'm trying to >>decide how best to provide for a CD ROM for my impending thinkpad, and am >>wondering whether a dockII would be a better route, in the long run, than >>a PCMCIA SCSI + CD ROM drive. (I suspect, from a recent message, that the >>dock II would initially be more expensive, but i presume it would offer >>more extensibility...) >> ))ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Hi Ken, I've had a Dock 2 for a couple of months. I'm using the built in CD-ROM drive and external SCSI to get to a SyQuest drive. It can support an IDE drive as a slave using the thinkpad internal control logic. It's nice docking the machine because of the built-in power supply, dedicated attachments (thru keyboard and mouse ports), and build in speakers. I like having the ability to add a cheap IDE disk and cards. Not worth it if you only want a CD-ROM attachment. Joe _______________________________________/\\___________________ |\ ____________________________________(@ @)__________________\ __|__ | | Joe Bormel,MD ooOO-(_)-OOoo | | ____|_| ******************* .|. ------------- |______ \ | Reston, VA 22091 __|__ E: Joe.Bormel@palmtop.com | / \ | (703) 758-9277 --o-(_)-o-- V: 703-904-1867 1-6479 | / / |____________________ . . . _______________________________| \ /___________) . . . . . . . __|__ (_________\ : : : ^ : : : | __|__ __|__ 3 3 3 o 3 3 3 __|__ | | D D D O D D D | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 02:39:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25857; Sun, 22 Oct 95 02:39:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25986; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:33 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25644; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 02:34:31 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com ([156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17435; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:33:27 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id XAA24181; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 23:24:13 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.email.com id AA814339409 Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 434 Text Message-Id: <9509218143.AA814339409@espmail.email.com> To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Linux on DOS partition I've made the BOOT and ROOT disks to run LINUX from a DOS partition and they work but I can't get Linux to recognize my DOCK-II based CD-ROM drive (Adaptec SCSI), to complete the install. I'm using the appropriate BOOT disk with support for Adaptec SCSI... I think I'm not doing something specific at the boot prompt. Anybody been thru this and got Linux installed on a thinkpad using the DOCK-II CD-ROM??? -Joe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 09:12:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15977; Sun, 22 Oct 95 09:12:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03055; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:09:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:06:03 -0400 Received: from math.rutgers.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02500; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:06:01 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by math.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.12) id JAA04574; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:05:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:05:59 -0400 From: moy Message-Id: <199510221305.JAA04574@math.rutgers.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755C vs 701C Linux installation Cc: milicic@math.rutgers.edu This is a posting for a friend who is trying to install Linux on a 701C. I have installed and been using Linux on a 755C for 4 months now. A long distance friend purchased a 701C this week and has been having trouble installing Linux. He cannot seem to boot Linux on the 701C from the boot/root disks. He gets a kernel panic Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 2:1c When he told me this, I sent him (via the internet) boot/root disks which definitely boot on my 755C, but when he tried them he again got the kernel panic message. Would anyone know that if it is indeed the case that the 755C and 701C are different in regards to installing Linux? Please post or e-mail me or my friend (milicic@math.utah.edu). Thanks, Allen Moy From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 14:00:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29055; Sun, 22 Oct 95 14:00:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18135; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:58:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:55:42 -0400 Received: from PEAK.ORG by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17983; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:55:33 -0400 Received: from leejim.peak.org ([198.68.20.35]) by PEAK.ORG (8.6.12/8.6.7) with SMTP id KAA13112; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:54:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199510221754.KAA13112@PEAK.ORG> Sender: From: "Jim Lee" Organization: Diamond Quest Consulting To: "Joe.Bormel" Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 10:55:16 -8 Subject: re: Linux on DOS partition Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Jim Lee" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 > From: "Joe.Bormel" > To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com > Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: re: Linux on DOS partition > > I've made the BOOT and ROOT disks to run LINUX from a DOS > partition and they work but I can't get Linux to > recognize my DOCK-II based CD-ROM drive (Adaptec SCSI), > to complete the install. I'm using the appropriate BOOT > disk with support for Adaptec SCSI... I think I'm not > doing something specific at the boot prompt. > > Anybody been thru this and got Linux installed on a thinkpad > using the DOCK-II CD-ROM??? > > -Joe > > > > You don't mention which Thinkpad model you're using, but I've installed Linux on my '755CX attached to a Dock II. I didn't *install* through the SCSI card, I have a Mitsumi CD-ROM drive in my Dock II with it's own interface that I installed from, but after everything was installed, Linux recognized the Adaptec SCSI card and allowed me to mount and use my optical disks attached to it... ---------- Jim Lee Diamond Quest Consulting leejim@peak.org 30563 Ridge St http://www.peak.org/~leejim Lebanon, OR 97355 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 16:13:14 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06835; Sun, 22 Oct 95 16:13:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26130; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:11:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:07:41 -0400 Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25786; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:07:39 -0400 Received: from ladybug.oes.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0t76g8-0002TDC; Sun, 22 Oct 95 13:07 PDT Received: by ladybug.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA19702; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:29 +0800 From: czs00@oes.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <9510222007.AA19702@ladybug.oes.amdahl.com> Subject: Win NT on a Thinkpad? To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi thanks go to all the people that gave me feedback on mail order companies. I discarded USA-Flex, that, according to quite a few, seems to be less reputable than all the other companies. If PC-Direct will match the lowest bid (7145$ from Directware) I will go for them, due to all the glowing words I have heard about them. Now for 2 more questions: 1. Has anybody had problems installing Windows NT Workstation on a Thinkpad 755xx or, better, 760? Has anyone installed it at all? 2. Has anyone used one of these utility programs that will format floppy disks at a higher density than 1.44MB? Friends of mine have strongly suggested I use the 2Mb formatter on all my floppies, but I have read that it will use special commands that might not be available on all desktops or laptops. Thanks again for your input. I do hope to make positive contributions to this list once I actually have a 760CD in my hands. Serenella Ciongoli From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:51:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17129; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:51:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08142; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:48:14 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07956; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:48:06 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA02242; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:43:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Chris Hanson Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? In-Reply-To: <9510220426.AA0104@omerie.ai.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Chris Hanson wrote: > I think that there is also an IDE controller in it so you can > install IDE drives or even a TP drive ("To attach ThinkPad hard > disk drive, do the following ..."). I have NOT done anything with > the IDE stuff. > > I suspect that there's no separate controller in the dock, but rather > that the TP internal controller bus is ported to the dock. I originally thought so too, but my 750 tech reference lists the pins on the connector (but not the AMP part number of the connector, dammit!) and the HD lines are _not_ on there. The only lines labeled as HD signals are -PDIAG, -HDCS1 and HD7. (Passed Diagnostics, Chip Select 1 and [strangely] data line 7.) There's a HDCS0 signal there too, which is (mistakenly, I think) labeled as video-related. > I use an IDE hard disk in the dock and it works fine. These disks are > so cheap right now that it's a great way to get lots of storage. Amazing, innit? I keep my original 10M 100ms Winchester as a doorstop for fun. I don't want to think what we paid for that 10 years ago.... > Additionally, I've used the TP disk adapter (an add-on option) to What does it do, convert the D connector to a standard 40 pin cable and a power socket? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:51:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17128; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:51:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08146; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:49:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:45:40 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07800; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:45:36 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16390; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:45:14 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0075; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:43:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:43:59 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510222343.AA0075@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: moy@math.rutgers.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, milicic@math.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sun, 22 Oct 1995 09:05:59 -0400 from moy Subject: 755C vs 701C Linux installation This is a posting for a friend who is trying to install Linux on a 701C. I have installed and been using Linux on a 755C for 4 months now. A long distance friend purchased a 701C this week and has been having trouble installing Linux. He cannot seem to boot Linux on the 701C from the boot/root disks. He gets a kernel panic Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 2:1c When he told me this, I sent him (via the internet) boot/root disks which definitely boot on my 755C, but when he tried them he again got the kernel panic message. Would anyone know that if it is indeed the case that the 755C and 701C are different in regards to installing Linux? I don't know about the 701C, but isn't that the error message that is generated when the "floppy=thinkpad" parameter is omitted? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:52:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17138; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:52:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08140; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:49:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:44:44 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07703; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:44:43 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16387; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:44:10 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0074; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:42:57 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:42:57 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510222342.AA0074@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: joe.bormel@palmtop.com Cc: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sat, 21 Oct 95 22:23:29 from "Joe.Bormel" Subject: Linux on DOS partition I've made the BOOT and ROOT disks to run LINUX from a DOS partition and they work but I can't get Linux to recognize my DOCK-II based CD-ROM drive (Adaptec SCSI), to complete the install. I'm using the appropriate BOOT disk with support for Adaptec SCSI... I think I'm not doing something specific at the boot prompt. Anybody been thru this and got Linux installed on a thinkpad using the DOCK-II CD-ROM??? I've been through this -- you need to give a boot-prompt parameter, because the aha152x SCSI driver doesn't recognize the Dock II BIOS: aha152x=,,,1 for example, I use these values: aha152x=0x340,9,7,1 After you have installed Linux, you can continue to use the boot parameter by adding it to the Lilo APPEND parameter, but if you do, Linux won't boot unless you are docked. Instead, you should patch the kernel to recognize the dock, then rebuild the kernel (you'll need to rebuild your kernel to get APM and PCMCIA support anyway): *** /usr/src/linux-1.2.9/drivers/scsi/aha152x.c.~1~ Tue May 2 00:31:26 1995 --- /usr/src/linux-1.2.9/drivers/scsi/aha152x.c Mon Jun 12 03:03:44 1995 *************** *** 396,401 **** --- 396,402 ---- { "Adaptec BIOS:AIC-6360", 0xc, 21 }, /* on-board controller */ { "ScsiPro SP-360 BIOS", 0x2873, 19 }, /* ScsiPro-Controller with AIC-6360 */ { "GA-400 LOCAL BUS SCSI BIOS", 0x102e, 26 }, /* Gigabyte Local-Bus-SCSI */ + { "Adaptec BIOS:AHA-1532P", 0x1c, 22 }, /* IBM ThinkPad Dock II */ }; #define SIGNATURE_COUNT (sizeof( signatures ) / sizeof( struct signature )) #endif With this patch installed, the dock SCSI will be recognized automatically when you are docked, and it will be ignored when you are not. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 19:59:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17310; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:59:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08810; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:57:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:57:00 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08713; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:56:58 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17190; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:56:41 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0081; Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:55:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Oct 95 19:55:31 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510222355.AA0081@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dwhite@shadow.net Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Sun, 22 Oct 1995 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) from Don Whiteside Subject: Dock 2 description ? On Sun, 22 Oct 1995, Chris Hanson wrote: > Additionally, I've used the TP disk adapter (an add-on option) to What does it do, convert the D connector to a standard 40 pin cable and a power socket? Basically, that's right, except that the cable is 60 pins (it looks standard to me, but I'm not very knowledgeable about this), and the drive's power is somehow derived from this cable rather than from a separate power cable as is usual. Also, this converter is mounted on a bracket that allows the TP disk to fit neatly in the 3.5"x.5" slot on the left side of the dock. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 21:11:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20842; Sun, 22 Oct 95 21:11:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13175; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:09:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:06:25 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12973; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 21:06:14 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA03384; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:06:05 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA14798; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:06:06 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510230106.SAA14798@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 18:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 22, 95 07:43:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Amazing, innit? I keep my original 10M 100ms Winchester as a doorstop for > fun. I don't want to think what we paid for that 10 years ago.... I try to keep things in perspective. I remember that 10 MB drive being simply *huge*--the entire operating system took up 1 MB and both Lotus 1-2-3 and WordStar were small enough to be run off of *floppies*-- one or two 360K floppies, no less! You could have these two major programs on your hard drive, a mess of character-based games & a few other various applications, yet still have upwards of 5 MB or 50% of your hard drive empty. Hardly anyone ever filled it (that is, until 20 MB drives started to become the new standard and the software publishers caught on & bloated up the software! ;-) Comparison: Today a drive of 400 to 500 MB is fairly standard equipment (though you power-users are getting new drives in excess of 1 GB) while the operating system is anywhere between 20 and 35 MB and major software packages are upwards of 20 to 40 MB in size. The size of the hard drive has increased about 50 times while the software size has increased 30 to 40 times. Gee--maybe we haven't come as far as we thought we had! :) Well, at least that 500 MB drive can be had for $200--that 10 MB one was a $1,000 option, wasn't it? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 22 22:10:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23527; Sun, 22 Oct 95 22:10:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16876; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:08:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:07:55 -0400 Received: from mail-d.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16803; Sun, 22 Oct 1995 22:07:49 -0400 Received: from link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk by mail-d.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:07:08 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 02:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <37210.9510230205@link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk> To: dwhite@shadow.net, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu > Amazing, innit? I keep my original 10M 100ms Winchester as a doorstop for > fun. I don't want to think what we paid for that 10 years ago.... Gosh, my original DEC and IBM Winchster drives were the size of a washing machine, chewed up power like an ultracentrifuge, and cost as much as one very decent automobile. Storage capacity varied from 750 KB to 1.5 MB -- some removable stack of platters (a stack of 8 to 11 fourteen inch disks) cost small fortunes. Of course, the operating system, compilers, etc all fit in 65 KB memory. Software arrived on punched cards and punched paper -- only later did we get some 7 and 9 track vacuum column tape drives. Memory didn't come on chips, it came on huge square frames of wire mesh with little donuts at every intersection of the wires. The motherboard was wired by hand. Indeed, engineering change orders would sometimes specify that we were to lengthen individual wires for timing changes. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 05:33:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14373; Mon, 23 Oct 95 05:33:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18785; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:30:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:28:45 -0400 Received: from next.lbs.lon.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17947; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 05:28:32 -0400 Received: by next.lbs.lon.ac.uk (NX5.67e/NeXT-1.0(KJW-19Apr90)) id AA06360; Mon, 23 Oct 95 09:28:05 GMT Message-Id: <9510230928.AA06360@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Ivo Welch Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 10:28:05 +0100 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Dock 2 description ? Reply-To: ivo@next.lbs.lon.ac.uk References: <9510222355.AA0081@omerie.ai.mit.edu> Listening to the discussion on the add-on to the dock, let me renew a question that I asked earlier, in a variation: I would love to get the 2nd TP-disk connection, but I really do not want to purchase a dock (what is it now? $800? Yeah, IDEs are cheap, but getting the dock is expensive; a SCSI PCMCIA adapter seems the better solution for most external disk devices). Now, is the cable to the add-on disk adapter coming out of some complicated logic, or is it simply an extender to the port? Can one get this add-on adapter for a normal desktop, too, or is it exclusive to the dock? Regards, /ivo welch PS: My earlier problem with kermit and the mwave adapter---it is kermit specific. Windows and DOS work with the standard comm programs, but apparently kermit is trying to probe too low-level. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 07:07:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17819; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:07:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06917; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 04:09:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:36:22 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06164; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 03:36:12 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA21427; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:35:53 GMT Message-Id: <199510230735.AA21427@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 08:35:38 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: >1. Has anybody had problems installing Windows NT Workstation on a Thinkpad > 755xx or, better, 760? Has anyone installed it at all? Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no more so fine than months ago. Anyway, you can install it with no problems onto 755's (I read many messages here past months) and probably on the new 760's. Let me suggest you, anycase, to install on your future Thinkpad at least in one partion of your Hard Disk, OS/2 Warp...it makes really the difference! Just a curiosity: your name isn't properly an US one...I'm italian, and hear something familiar in your name... Ciao, Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 07:50:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19539; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:50:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29091; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:45:32 -0400 Received: from vnet.IBM.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28953; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:45:30 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199510231145.HAA28953@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ATLVMIC1.VNET.IBM.COM by vnet.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6820; Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:45:21 EDT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 07:45:21 EDT To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: NO SUBJECT From: Brian T. Tucker bt@vnet.ibm.com IBM Southern Area Open Systems Center 1600 Riveredge Parkway Atlanta GA 30328 Subject: unsubscribe thank you, Brian 770-644-5231 (Tie 237)(Fax 644-5284) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 10:10:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26366; Mon, 23 Oct 95 10:10:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09333; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:03:54 -0400 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08868; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:03:52 -0400 Received: from LUFKIN-D1-PORT13.TCAC.COM by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.7.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id HAA15794; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 07:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by LUFKIN-D1-PORT13.TCAC.COM with Microsoft Mail id <01BAA127.5DC99B40@LUFKIN-D1-PORT13.TCAC.COM>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:10:15 -0500 Message-Id: <01BAA127.5DC99B40@LUFKIN-D1-PORT13.TCAC.COM> From: "Sherwin L. Harvey" To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 09:10:12 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 11:48:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00432; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:48:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18236; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:44:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:42:12 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18040; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:42:10 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA05754; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:43:06 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:43:06 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510231543.PAA05754@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 14:36:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10737; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:36:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01595; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:20:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:16:11 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01159; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:15:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA01010; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:15:54 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:15:54 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510231815.AA01010@nile.gnat.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, baker@ada.cs.fsu.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe messages! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 14:52:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11470; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:52:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04241; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:49:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:48:22 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04064; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:48:17 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA11228 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:48:02 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA16940 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:48:00 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17870; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:43:26 PDT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:43:26 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510231843.AA17870@berlioz.nsc.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD compressor Hi, Are anyone using any disk compression utility on OS2 (like Stacker)? I have a TP755CX with Warp and DOS installed (dual boot). There is a Stacker compression utility that come with PCDOS 7.0. I am wondering if I could use it and OS2 with still works file? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 15:35:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13233; Mon, 23 Oct 95 15:35:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08868; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:28:07 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08588; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:28:05 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA03060; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:27:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:27:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: William Ng Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD compressor In-Reply-To: <9510231843.AA17870@berlioz.nsc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, William Ng wrote: > Are anyone using any disk compression utility on OS2 (like Stacker)? I have > a TP755CX with Warp and DOS installed (dual boot). There is a Stacker > compression utility that come with PCDOS 7.0. I am wondering if I could use > it and OS2 with still works file? If you're trying to compress an OS/2-only partition, I'd recommend Zipstream over Stacker. In fact, if the partition is HPFS, Stacker won't work - you'll need Zipstream or DCF/2(?). I highly recommend Zipstream, which is available at most OS/2 ftp sites (shareware). If you're trying to compress a drive you'll be using under both DOS and OS/2, then I think Stacker is your only choice. Zipstream is much better (faster, more flexible). Does anyone know of a binary-compressing utility for Linux, kinda like gzip, zless, and zgrep works with text files? ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:07:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17161; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:07:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12161; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:04:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:02:43 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12015; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:02:40 -0400 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id QAA09178 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:02:29 -0400 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA16830; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:18:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9510231815.AA01010@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Robert Dewar wrote: > can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this > mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe > messages! Why areso many people unsubscribing today? :) Also...would anyone mind if I post a Thinkpad-relevant for-sale ad to this list? http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:21:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17842; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:21:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13663; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:17:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:14:02 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13239; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:13:55 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (also-34.ppp.hooked.net [204.212.196.98]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA13515; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:13:29 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:13:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199510232013.NAA13515@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "John H. Kim" From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: HD compressor (for linux) Cc: William Ng , TP750@cs.utk.edu At 03:27 PM 10/23/95 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >Does anyone know of a binary-compressing utility for Linux, kinda >like gzip, zless, and zgrep works with text files? Not really what you're asking, but there is also gzexe to compress executables (it gzips them and wraps them in decompression scripts). ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:24:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18116; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:24:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14097; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:22:07 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:21:01 -0400 Received: from ada.cs.fsu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13947; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:20:53 -0400 Received: by ada.cs.fsu.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06044; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT From: Ted Baker Message-Id: <199510232021.UAA06044@ada.cs.fsu.edu> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu As long as I have already annoyed everyone, I might as well answer the question why I want to unsubscribe. Initially, I found this group very helpful, and was able to return this help by answering some questions. However, recently, I've found the traffic growing in quantity and branching out to include lots of chat that I can't afford to read. The branching out includes lots of talk about models of Thinkpad other than the 750 series, and quite a bit of "shopping" info. This sort of thing is interesting, and would be appropriate for a news group, but it not for an e-mail distribution. It may be that others feel the way I do, and that may explain the series of "unsubscribes". --Ted Baker From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 16:32:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19083; Mon, 23 Oct 95 16:32:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14716; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:28:24 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:53 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14654; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:51 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA12908; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199510232027.QAA12908@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:15:54 EDT." <9510231815.AA01010@nile.gnat.com> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:27:43 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this > mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe > messages! Yes, please send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, not to the whole list. Keith Moore From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 17:41:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23516; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:41:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21033; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:36:29 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:34:23 -0400 Received: from SSD.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20792; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:34:20 -0400 Received: from sv004.scic.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06174; Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:33:06 PDT Received: from rs028.scic.intel.com by sv004.scic.intel.com (4.1/sun41.1); Mon, 23 Oct 95 14:32:56 PDT Received: from localhost by rs028.scic.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/rs32.1); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:32:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9510232132.AA23774@rs028.scic.intel.com> To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Cc: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:35:38 EDT." <199510230735.AA21427@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:31:46 -0700 From: Ed Bunch I just joined this list to learn something about this myself. Is their a long thread on this subject that someone can send me or a FAQ available? I have NT 3.5.1 Workstation installed on a 755C. It does work marginally. I can't select 256 color mode or 1024x768 and there is no Audio. I have a download from MicroSquish that replaces disk 1 and 8 of the NT install. In theory this will bring my 755 up to "approved platform"; except for some bugs in NTFS to be addresses in the near future. However, I installed from a CDROM. (not very handy) Does anyone have any suggestions on installing this patch after NT is already installed? Or, is it possible to due a non-descructive re-install of NT w/o wiping out all the other work I've put into setting up this box with all the software that makes it useful? Thanks, Ed >Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 08:35:38 EDT >Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? >From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) >To: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, > >On Sun, 22 Oct 1995 13:07:27 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: >>1. Has anybody had problems installing Windows NT Workstation on a Thinkpad >> 755xx or, better, 760? Has anyone installed it at all? >Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no >more so fine than months ago. Anyway, you can install it with no problems onto > 755's (I read many messages here past months) and probably on the new 760's. >Let me suggest you, anycase, to install on your future Thinkpad at least in one > partion of your Hard Disk, OS/2 Warp...it makes really the difference! >Just a curiosity: your name isn't properly an US one...I'm italian, and hear so >mething familiar in your name... >Ciao, > Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 17:44:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23801; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:44:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21621; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:42:58 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:42:30 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21528; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:42:28 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA04524; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:42:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:42:23 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510232142.AA04524@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu I think it is fine to post thinkpad's for sale messages, if they are brief (people can send email for more information!) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 17:48:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23847; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:48:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22035; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:45:43 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:44:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21723; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 17:44:30 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA04552; Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:44:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 17:44:39 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510232144.AA04552@nile.gnat.com> To: alster@interport.net, baker@ada.cs.fsu.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu I would still prefer to see this as a newsgroup rather than a mailing list, it is just at the very limit of my tolerance in volume for a mailing list, but I would not mind if the volume were much higher on a newsgroup, where it is so much easier to delete threads. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 19:41:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00374; Mon, 23 Oct 95 19:41:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29316; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:39:37 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:36:11 -0400 Received: from netcom.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29134; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:36:09 -0400 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.12/Netcom) id QAA02614; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:07:02 -0700 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:07:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Litman Subject: unsubscribe To: tp-request@cs.utk.edu Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510232027.QAA12908@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some have asked why so many people unsubscribe.. well here are my reasons: - this should be a newsgroup.. - too much branching, to the point that I find only 5% of the posts of interest to me - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. Considering that this list generates almost 30% of the traffic in my in box, and the little value it offers to me, I would like to unsubscribe.. Arie Litman Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Keith Moore wrote: > > can we send a message reminding people how to unsubscribe to this > > mailing list, it is really annoying to get broadcast unsubscribe > > messages! > > Yes, please send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, > not to the whole list. > > Keith Moore > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 20:10:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06226; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:10:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01513; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:07:47 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:03:01 -0400 Received: from maple.grove.iup.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01197; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:02:59 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2467) id <01HWSI8TZ8Y88Y6JBT@grove.iup.edu>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 19:50:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark_Strawcutter Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Your message dated "Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:07:01 -0700 (PDT)" To: Arie Litman Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HWSIL9CMJO8Y6JBT@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania X-Envelope-To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Some have asked why so many people unsubscribe.. well here are my >reasons: No, they asked why folks were sending unsubscribes to the list, not why they were trying to unsub. > - this should be a newsgroup.. Boo hiss. If I wanted a newsgroup I'd read comp.sys.laptops. Newsgroups are for things I don't really care about. My Thinkpad falls in the "important" category so I prefer a mailing list. It would make my life easier if postings to the list had a reply-to: pointing to the list, but I appriciate that other feel differently. > - too much branching, to the point that I find only 5% of the posts of > interest to me Then stay away from comp.sys.laptops - too low a signal/noise ratio wrt thinkpads. > - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and > Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. Sorry for your bad experience, mine have all been just the opposite. >Considering that this list generates almost 30% of the traffic in my in >box, and the little value it offers to me, I would like to unsubscribe.. The message to which you were responding has instructions for doing just that: >> Yes, please send subscribe/unsubscribe requests to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu, >> not to the whole list. /mjs From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 20:15:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06536; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:15:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01618; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:08:52 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:07:41 -0400 Received: from relay1.Hawaii.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01493; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:07:34 -0400 Received: from uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu ([128.171.44.54]) by relay1.Hawaii.Edu with SMTP id <13220(9)>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:07:02 -1000 Received: by uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu id <105782>; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:19:50 -1000 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:19:48 -1000 Sender: Johnny Liang From: Alienman To: Alberto Enna Cc: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <199510230735.AA21427@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Alberto Enna wrote: > Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no more so fine than months ago. Anyway, you can install it with no problems onto 755's (I read many messages here past months) and probably on the new 760's. > Let me suggest you, anycase, to install on your future Thinkpad at least in one partion of your Hard Disk, OS/2 Warp...it makes really the difference! > > Just a curiosity: your name isn't properly an US one...I'm italian, and hear something familiar in your name... > > Ciao, > Alberto Enna Hi Alberto, I just want to point out that just because Windows 95 is out, it is not the end of the world for NT. In fact, if you have been keeping up with the developments and looking at the trend in the computing market, you would already know that the whole world is switching over to the 32 bit world, if not already the 64 bit. Windows 95 still has 16 bit code, which means that it still lacks some of the features of a true 32 bit OS. Windows 95 is the one that will become obsolete in the near future. This is why Microsoft developed NT to be a porable OS, being able to be compiled on multiple platforms such as the Alpha AXP's, the PPC, and the i386. They know that this is the future of computing to come. Just my $0.02. -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- \ |\-/\ |^\^||^|^_|\ __|\ |^\|\ |\-/\ / \ `O.o' |- \||_| _> \| | \/^|\ \|^| `-.*' / \ =(___)= |_\_\ _|__|_\_ |_\/_|_\\__| =(___)= / \ U alienman@somewhere.in.space " / \ http://nic2.hawaii.edu/~johnnyl / _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 20:33:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07838; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02739; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:29:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:27:05 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02630; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:27:03 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA07110; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:26:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:26:26 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510240026.AA07110@nile.gnat.com> To: aenna@ibm.net, johnnyl@hawaii.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Cc: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu many commentators think that Win95 isw merely a temporary transition product to be replaced by NT as soon as typical machines are large enough. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 23:29:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28859; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:29:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14178; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:27:06 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:24:29 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13854; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:24:27 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA19837 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:24:20 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA01158 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:24:21 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510240324.UAA01158@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: unsubscribe To: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:24:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Arie Litman" at Oct 23, 95 04:07:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Some have asked why so many people unsubscribe.. well here are my > reasons: > > - this should be a newsgroup.. Fair enough--everyone has an opinion. > - too much branching, to the point that I find only 5% of the posts of > interest to me I never did understand this--I'm in the same boat here, but I know what the "delete" key is for (and I use it liberally). Better yet, get a mailer with a filter in it. > - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and > Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. Awwwww...Boo-hoo! Did your feelings get hurt? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 23:35:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29140; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:35:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14614; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:32:53 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:32:21 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14499; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:32:19 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA20814; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:32:15 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA02270; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:32:14 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510240332.UAA02270@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? To: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <9510240026.AA07110@nile.gnat.com> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 23, 95 08:26:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > many commentators think that Win95 isw merely a temporary transition > product to be replaced by NT as soon as typical machines are large > enough. As long as we're talking about it, do "32-bit" versions of Excel and Word (updated for Win '95) run smooth as silk on Win NT, or in some kind of "compatible" mode? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 23 23:56:56 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00034; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:56:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16236; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:53:46 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:52:42 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16120; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 23:52:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA09172; Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:52:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 23:52:44 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510240352.AA09172@nile.gnat.com> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu well especially after my message earlier today, I hate to send this, but please unsubscribe me I sent a message to TP750-REQUEST, but it did not apear to work. Sorry for yet another junk message, but at least it will be my last :-) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 06:59:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25858; Tue, 24 Oct 95 06:59:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19271; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:58:58 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:54:52 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19047; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 06:54:41 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:53:52 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:53:50 GMT Message-Id: <11157.9510241053@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installing Adaptec PCMCIA SlimSCSI & 3Com PCMCIA 3C589 Ethernet Several people have asked how I configured my Thinkpad 750Cs for use with Adaptec PCMCIA APA-1460 SlimSCSI and 3Com PCMCIA 3C589 Ethernet. PLEASE MAKE BACKUP COPIES OF YOUR CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, and WINDOWS SYSTEM.INI BEFORE UNDERTAKING THESE CHANGES. If you are extra cautious you might backup your entire system first. I started with PC-DOS 5.02 and Windows 3.1 pre-installed on my hard drive. Then, I downloaded and installed the latest versions of the software code: From www.pc.ibm.com -- uttp1310.exe -- TP750 Utilities aftps140.exe -- TP750 Audio Features vftps133.exe -- TP750 Video Features tppcm130.exe -- TP750 PCMCIA From www.adaptec.com -- EZ-SCSI From www.3com.com -- 3C589 Drivers Diskette (including 3C589PD.EXE) I hand optimized my CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT to maximize available memory. This included use of B000-B7FF (unused monochrome VGA memory) and E000-E5FF (unused BIOS memory) for UMB's (upper memory blocks). Note: change WINDOWS/SYSTEM.INI as follows to use B000-B7FF/E000-E5FF: EMMExclude=C000-C7FF VDDFreeB000=Yes CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE noems I=B000-B7FF X=C000-C7FF I=E000-E5FF DOS=HIGH,UMB FILES=30 BUFFERS=20 STACKS=9,256 LASTDRIVE=F rem **** pcmcia soc svcs 2,0, crd svcs 2.0, rsc map util, pwr mgt util **** DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-C7FF /SH=1 DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS rem **** dos advanced power management **** devicehigh=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE rem **** pcmcia autoconfig **** DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI rem **** pcmcia ata/sram driver ***** rem DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE rem COUNTRY=044,850,C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM /E:1024 /P C:\DOS DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\DISPLAY.SYS CON=(EGA,,1) DEVICEhigh=C:\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE rem **** thinkpad audio test -- do not load high => system hangs !!! **** rem DEVICE=C:\IBMAUDIO\DIAG\AUDTEST.SYS /V=10 rem **** thinkpad audio driver -- not required for windows sound system **** rem DEVICE=C:\IBMAUDIO\AUDIODD\TPAUDDD.SYS rem **** adaptec aspi (scsi) drivers for disk, tape, and cdrom **** DEVICEhigh=C:\SCSI\ASPI2DOS.SYS /pause /D /PCMCIA /Z DEVICEhigh=C:\SCSI\ASPIDISK.SYS /D DEVICEhigh=C:\SCSI\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD0 AUTOEXEC.BAT: rem lh C:\IBMODEM\ESTDFM s1c2 lh C:\SCSI\MSCDEX.EXE /D:ASPICD0 /M:12 /L:e echo off PATH C:\WINDOWS;c:\dos;c:\thinkpad;c:\ucl\slip path %PATH%;C:\ALDUS;C:\FH4;c:\epsilon;c:\nu80;c:\nav30 SET TEMP=C:\TMP SET TMP=C:\TMP lh C:\dos\SMARTDRV.EXE 2048 1024 PROMPT [$p] MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((850) C:\DOS\EGA.CPI) MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=850 lh KEYB UK,,C:\DOS\KEYBOARD.SYS /ID:166 rem lh C:\DOS\DOSKEY rem lh C:\WINDOWS\mouse.COM /Y break on rem **** thinkpad feature specific settings **** SET READIBM=C:\READIBM\READIBM.PRO SET PS2MSG=C:\THINKPAD\PS2.MSG rem lh C:\THINKPAD\FUELDOS lh c:\tn\3c589pd lh c:\tn\winpkt 96 cls type c:\dos\motd.txt From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:08:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08590; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:08:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00532; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:06:45 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:03:33 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29984; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:03:32 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA43129; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:18 GMT Message-Id: <199510241403.AA43129@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:38:20 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: edb@scic.intel.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Ed, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:31:46 -0700 you wrote: >I have NT 3.5.1 Workstation installed on a 755C. It does work marginally. >I can't select 256 color mode or 1024x768 and there is no Audio. It's pretty normal that your Thinkpad doesn't select 1024x768, as the max you can raise is 640x480. Only for xternal Monitor attached to your 755C is it possible to have that resolution. For Audio, try to see if there is any suggested solution at ftp.pcco.ibm.com , in the dir /pub/mobiles . Bye by aenna@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:11:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08922; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:11:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00530; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:06:45 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:05:40 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00295; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:05:38 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA27089; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:05:33 GMT Message-Id: <199510241405.AA27089@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:31:29 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: baker@ada.cs.fsu.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: unsubscribe On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 20:21:53 GMT you wrote: >It may be that others feel the way I do, and that may explain the >series of "unsubscribes". I'm afraid of all "departures" from this mail list, and your too. The only one thing I don't know is why leave the mail list, instead of try to better "read inside it" ! I found more practical and funny follow this thread than one in any of best know newsgroups. Most newsgroups have hundreds messages after one or two days, and I doesn't have the possibility to follow all threads. When months ago I' used to connect periodically to comp.sys.laptops , i.e., I was impressed by the number of messages I found to read! I didn't have soup+yarn, and so I was obliged to find messages titles that was interesting to me, and read only 1/10 of the messages in the newsgroup. At least Keith wrote to me and suggested to subscribe this mail list, and I was really happy to do it. Maybe we can do our best to let this mail list be better than today, but, please, don't leave us alone... :-( Bye by aenna@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:30:29 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09843; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:30:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02302; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:26:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:25:59 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02220; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:25:56 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA34875; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:25:33 GMT Message-Id: <199510241425.AA34875@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:47:45 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: czs00@oes.amdahl.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Serenella, On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:37:28 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: >According to the people I have talked with at the mail-order companies, the >760 will come with OS/2 installed, and I do intend to keep it. If I manage >to, I should end up with Dos, OS/2, WinNT and Linux (or a unix equivalent) >all on the Thinkpad. Wish me luck.... You'll have it! Partioning your Hard Disk (do order one of reasonable size!) you will install all you desire on top of Warp Boot Manager. > >I guess the mailing list will read a few messages requesting help from me, >in the next few weeks. > We're here to read about yours.... ;-) Ciao, Alberto Enna From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:31:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10007; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:31:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02061; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:24:32 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:23:33 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01937; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:23:32 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA35518; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:23:30 GMT Message-Id: <199510241423.AA35518@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 13:07:58 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Victor On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:39:32 +0100 you wrote: >I disagree! Win95 is a win 3.1 bug fix, and will last only as long as the >pentium processer. I'm told that win95 will actually run slower on a P6 >than it does on a pentium. Warp, NT, MacOS and the unixes are the ony >systems which will be around in 5 years. I agree , and many friends of mine told me that in more than one case they discovered that Win95 is slower on their P6 *AND* Pentium 75! I don't know more about Win95, as I'm Warped. I'm courious ,anycase, to know how Win95 performs on Thinkpads. What kind of performances on 750's ? >As a complete Warp convert, I >also recognise that NT has some significant advantages in regards to >network security. This is just useless overhead for most of us, but for >some applications it's the best thing going. What you exactly mean? What are these advantages? Bye by aenna@ibm.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 10:56:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11668; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:56:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04977; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:51:04 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:49:23 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04771; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:49:21 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA6947; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:43:15 -0700 Message-Id: <9510241743.AA6947@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: from ITP with "Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP" id F71EFBA53FD2E21E8525625F004F2CC6; Tue, 24 Oct 95 10:43:04 To: aenna Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 24 Oct 95 10:34:28 EDT Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "....Now that there is Windows 95 , I'm really convinced that NT is obsolete and no more...." ~~~~~ no time soon, my friend. nt is a far superior operating system. it's being slammed right now for navigating like 3.11, but apparently that will change. nt is one of the few (and probably the most consumer compatable) operating systems that will run on pc's, power pc's, and dual processor boards. 95 is great for people at home who have to boot to floppy in order to play games, but, five years from now, infosys departments that knew better than to jump on the jingoistic win95 bandwagon will having the last laugh as they migrate to nt. (imho) now, if only the nt server would route ipx... Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group, Inc. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 12:37:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20832; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:37:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14275; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:35:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:32:03 -0400 Received: from SSD.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13966; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:32:01 -0400 Received: from sv004.scic.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00959; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:31:17 PDT Received: from rs028.scic.intel.com by sv004.scic.intel.com (4.1/sun41.1); Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:31:12 PDT Received: from localhost by rs028.scic.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/rs32.1); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:31:11 -0700 Message-Id: <9510241631.AA19853@rs028.scic.intel.com> To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:38:20 EDT." <199510241403.AA43129@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:31:10 -0700 From: Ed Bunch >From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) >On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 14:31:46 -0700 you wrote: >>I have NT 3.5.1 Workstation installed on a 755C. It does work marginally. >>I can't select 256 color mode or 1024x768 and there is no Audio. >It's pretty normal that your Thinkpad doesn't select 1024x768, as the max you c >an raise is 640x480. Only for xternal Monitor attached to your 755C is it p >ossible to have that resolution. For Audio, try to see if there is any sugges >ted solution at ftp.pcco.ibm.com , in the dir /pub/mobiles . Bzzzt. I know this. I guess I should have been more verbose. Thanks for the pcco dir pointer. I had searched their web site for hits and found ZIP for NT. Lots O OS/2... go figure. ;-) Ed From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 12:42:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21191; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:42:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14279; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:35:14 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:34:19 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14141; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:34:14 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA03994; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:33:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 12:33:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Alberto Enna Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <199510241423.AA35518@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Alberto Enna wrote: > Victor On Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:39:32 +0100 wrote: > > >As a complete Warp convert, I > >also recognise that NT has some significant advantages in regards to > >network security. This is just useless overhead for most of us, but for > >some applications it's the best thing going. > > What you exactly mean? What are these advantages? We hashed over all this when this list first started. NT has multi-user capability, extra (extra extra) security, a supposedly more robust file system, multitasks slightly better (can service interrupt immediately instead of waiting for a timeslice to finish), etc. How useful these are on a laptop, or even for most users is questionable. Alberto, I understand your loyalty to OS/2 - I used it since version 1.3; but no product is better than the competition in all situations. Let's drop this silly My-OS-Is-Bigger-Than-Yours bickering. Somebody answer the original question the guy asked about NT on whatever model Thinkpad. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 14:12:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28863; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:12:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21540; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:06:50 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:41 -0400 Received: from happy.qualcomm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21254; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:03:39 -0400 Received: from gjacobs (gjacobs.qualcomm.com [129.46.122.39]) by happy.qualcomm.com (8.6.12/QC-BSD-2.5.1) with SMTP id LAA20741 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:02:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199510241802.LAA20741@happy.qualcomm.com> X-Sender: gjacobs@mage X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:03:05 -0700 To: tp750 From: "Gary E. Jacobs" Subject: My 760CD delayed a month My TP760 due on Oct 23 fro PC Direct is now due Nov. 20. They managed to ship the memory however. Anyone else get delayed? Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com (619)658-4069 voice (619)658-2120 fax From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 15:15:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04342; Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:15:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26232; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:04:04 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:03:14 -0400 Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26130; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:03:11 -0400 Received: from crissy.gemis.ge.com ([3.29.7.57]) by ns.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA02868 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:02:59 -0400 Received: from salem.ge.com (carsdb.salem.ge.com [3.29.7.15]) by crissy.gemis.ge.com (8.6.12/8.6.11) with SMTP id OAA14280 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 14:51:58 -0400 Received: from spencer (spencer.salem.ge.com) by salem.ge.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28365; Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:02:55 EDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:02:55 EDT Message-Id: <9510241902.AA28365@salem.ge.com> X-Sender: spenceae@spencer.salem.ge.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: andy@spencer.salem.ge.com (Andy Spencer) Subject: Dock 2/PCMCIA any known problems? I've got a DOCK II that I'm trying to use with both at TP755C and 755CSE. I'm seeing strange things w/ the PCMCIA cards. Both models work fine out of the Dock using the 3C589 & MHZ1144 cards. I'm using WinNT and Unix, with NT on the CSE, I can use the Modem but not the 3Com card in the dock, but with the C, neither card works in the Dock. When I use the 755C w/ Unix in the Dock, the CIS memory for both PCMCIA cards are garbage. I can see the CIS memory of the cards fine in the CSE and w/ Unix the CSE works with both cards in or out of the Dock. Does anyone know of any limitations on using PCMCIA slots w/ Dock II? It appears that the slots on the pad are #0 & #1, while the Dock's are #4 & #5. Is anyone using PCMCIA slots w/ a 755C on a Dock 2? Thanks. ================================================================ Andy Spencer GE Drive Systems andy@spencer.salem.ge.com 1501 Roanoke Blvd / 287 (703) 387-7361 Salem, VA 24153 ================================================================ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 15:17:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04481; Tue, 24 Oct 95 15:17:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26146; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:03:16 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:13 -0400 Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26025; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:09 -0400 Received: from lennon.cc.gatech.edu (aust@lennon.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.9.20]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.7.1/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA14979 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from aust@localhost) by lennon.cc.gatech.edu (8.7.1/8.6.9) id PAA06743 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: aust@cc.gatech.edu (Dietmar Aust) Message-Id: <199510241901.PAA06743@lennon.cc.gatech.edu> Subject: unsubscribe To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text unsubscribe Dietmar Aust aust@cc.gatech.edu Please remove me from the mailing-list. ThanX. -dietmar. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dietmar Aust email: aust@cc.gatech.edu 301 10th Street NW phone: (office) (001) 404-894-7374 Apt. 313 A (home) (001) 404-815-3194 Atlanta, GA 30318 URL:http://www.cc.gatech.edu/people/home/aust USA "If you understand what you're doing, you are not learning anything" anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 16:08:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09293; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:08:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01263; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:01:23 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:59:30 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00952; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA06873 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:59:09 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA27889 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:59:07 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24802; Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:54:35 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 12:54:35 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510241954.AA24802@berlioz.nsc.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: external CDROM with TP755CX Hello, I am planning to buy a NEC Multispin CDR-401 3XP portable CR-ROM with APA-1460 SCSI2 PCMCIA adaptor to be used with TP755CX. Does anyone had any experience with this combination? Also, I will install Linux on this Thinkpad later. Does anyone see any potential problem? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 16:28:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11038; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:28:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03568; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:25:27 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:24:06 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03400; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:24:04 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA00886 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:23:57 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA08424 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:23:56 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510242023.NAA08424@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? To: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 13:23:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199510241423.AA35518@ibm.net> from "Alberto Enna" at Oct 24, 95 01:07:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I disagree! Win95 is a win 3.1 bug fix, and will last only as long as the > >pentium processer. I'm told that win95 will actually run slower on a P6 > >than it does on a pentium. Warp, NT, MacOS and the unixes are the ony > >systems which will be around in 5 years. Sounds to me like you're speaking in terms of Market share (as this is what allows an OS to survive, since no OS is an island and requires apps written for it to live). If that is the case, I can't help but question the Warp evaluation, and for that matter maybe even the MacOS evaluation (though I think the MacOS could make wonderful inroads if they simple wrote it to work on non-Motorola- based platforms). Anything but a Unix flavor or a Windows-based ('95, NT, whatever) derivative is in grave danger of being permanently assigned either a tiny niche market or complete eradication 5 years from now. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 16:45:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11860; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:45:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05501; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:42:49 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:42:00 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05386; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:41:58 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA16189; Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:41:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:41:56 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510242041.AA16189@nile.gnat.com> To: aenna@ibm.net, kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? in fact it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this mailing list, I have been trying to get off it for a while. These latest silly operating systems wars between NT and Win/95 remind me of how much non-thinkpad stuff is creeping into this list. Please unsubscribe me (I already sent two messages to tp750-REQUEST! From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 17:01:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12831; Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:01:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07014; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:56:48 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:55:50 -0400 Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06877; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:55:46 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00468; Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:55:07 MDT Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 14:55:07 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9510242055.AA00468@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? > Anything but a Unix flavor or a Windows-based ('95, NT, whatever) > derivative is in grave danger of being permanently assigned either a tiny > niche market or complete eradication 5 years from now. Yep, this seems to be the direction in which we're headed. Maybe Darwin has been misquoted all these years. Perhaps he really said "survival of the shittest". - key -- Karl E. Yeanoplos Denver, CO kyeanopl@den.mmc.com / key@csn.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 17:44:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16438; Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:44:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11389; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:42:55 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:40:58 -0400 Received: from vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11247; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:40:44 -0400 Received: from vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us [164.106.215.200]) by vbbuslnx1.tc.cc.va.us (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA00435 for ; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:26:00 -0400 Received: from SERVER1/MAILQ by vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 17:43:20 +1100 Received: from MAILQ by SERVER1 (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 17:43:09 +1100 From: "Peter W. Borders" Organization: Business Division - TCC VB To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:43:06 EST Subject: Re: HD compressor Reply-To: tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-Id: > Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:43:26 PDT > From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) > To: TP750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: HD compressor > > Hi, > > Are anyone using any disk compression utility on OS2 (like Stacker)? I have > a TP755CX with Warp and DOS installed (dual boot). There is a Stacker > compression utility that come with PCDOS 7.0. I am wondering if I could use > it and OS2 with still works file? > > Thanks. > > -William Ng > The PC-DOS version of stacker will not work under OS/2 but you can buy Stacker 4.0 for OS/2 and it has a DOS version included. I use it under PC-DOS 7.0 and OS/2 Warp on my thinkpad. Pete Peter W. Borders Network Engineer - Business Division - Tidewater Community College tcbordp@vbbusnw1.tc.cc.va.us From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 17:58:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17668; Tue, 24 Oct 95 17:58:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12660; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:57:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:56:48 -0400 Received: from ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12546; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:56:47 -0400 Received: by ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA31670; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 21:56:42 GMT Message-Id: <199510242156.AA31670@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 22:31:05 EDT From: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) Reply-To: aenna@ibm.net (Alberto Enna) To: gjacobs@qualcomm.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Alberto Enna's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: My 760CD delayed a month On Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:03:05 -0700 you wrote: >My TP760 due on Oct 23 fro PC Direct is now due Nov. 20. They managed to >ship the memory however. Anyone else get delayed? Hope you'll not have to wait for 5 months like me with my TP755CD...! I don't know why IBM is so "slow" with CD machines... ;-) Bye by Alby/Warp From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 18:07:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18507; Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:07:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13241; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:03:38 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:02:47 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13047; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:02:45 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.61/1.34) id AA17005; Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:02:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:02:42 -0400 From: dewar@nile.gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9510242202.AA17005@nile.gnat.com> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? Randy says: " Anything but a Unix flavor or a Windows-based ('95, NT, whatever) derivative is in grave danger of being permanently assigned either a tiny niche market or complete eradication 5 years from now." Unix is now a tiny niche market, and will remain so. OS/2 has already sold and installed far more copies than all versions of Unix in all of time. If you don't see it around much, it just goes to show that you move in restricted circules, which we all do :-) WARP is primarily used for mission-critical strategic corporate programming, where Unix has VERY little presence. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 18:42:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20814; Tue, 24 Oct 95 18:42:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15999; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:40:16 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:38:32 -0400 Received: from mail-e.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15756; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:38:07 -0400 Received: from ts-b.bcc.ac.uk by mail-e.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:24:00 +0100 From: ucklw08 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:23:59 GMT Message-Id: <14175.9510242223@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, dewar@nile.gnat.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? >WARP is primarily used for mission-critical strategic corporate >programming, where Unix has VERY little presence. Let us be direct about this -- the WARP/Windows/UNIX/Linux debate belongs in a different newsgroup -- probably an advocacy group -- continued discussion here (except in the context of how to get an operating system up and running on a Thinkpad) is not appropriate. Let us all stop this OS advocacy stuff before I wax philosophic about the virtues of large scale clusters of IBM 360/370 derived architecture machines and IBM supported network operating systems. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 19:28:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23601; Tue, 24 Oct 95 19:28:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18899; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:27:49 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:26:24 -0400 Received: from nynexst.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18739; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:26:22 -0400 Received: from insight.nynexst.com by nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.nynexst) id AA20096; Tue, 24 Oct 95 19:23:34 EDT Received: from localhost by insight.nynexst.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06445; Tue, 24 Oct 95 19:25:51 EDT Message-Id: <9510242325.AA06445@insight.nynexst.com> To: ucklw08 Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu, dewar@nile.gnat.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:23:59 GMT." <14175.9510242223@ts-b.bcc.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5omega 10/6/94 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:25:49 -0400 From: Gen Cerf > Let us be direct about this -- the WARP/Windows/UNIX/Linux debate > belongs in a different newsgroup -- probably an advocacy group -- > continued discussion here (except in the context of how to get an > operating system up and running on a Thinkpad) is not appropriate. I couldn't agree more. As someone who has learned alot from the people who DO help us get things running on the TP, I would hate to see them unsubscribe, just because a few people are unable or unwilling to exercise restraint and limit their verbiage. Perhaps it would help if the experienced users quickly sent out red alert messages when they see one of these unproductive threads starting...! Gen Cerf Speech Recognition & Language Understanding Services NYNEX Science & Technology From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 24 22:51:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09466; Tue, 24 Oct 95 22:51:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02770; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:49:46 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:45:59 -0400 Received: from fosters.roc.servtech.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02642; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 22:45:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 22:46:19 EST Message-Id: <9510272246.AA02636@fosters.roc.servtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Randall King" Reply-To: To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: external CDROM with TP755CX X-Mailer: In reply to: > >Hello, > >I am planning to buy a NEC Multispin CDR-401 3XP portable CR-ROM with >APA-1460 SCSI2 PCMCIA adaptor to be used with TP755CX. Does anyone >had any experience with this combination? Also, I will install Linux >on this Thinkpad later. Does anyone see any potential problem? I am using the Slim SCSI card in my 755CX, in Windows 95. I hook in to a doublespin Sony knock off drive, and it worked perfect. I also used the same adaptor and CDROM in Windows 3.1. They both work great. RK From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 09:27:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22939; Wed, 25 Oct 95 09:27:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20138; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:25:59 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:21:12 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19789; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:21:08 -0400 Received: (buffingt@localhost) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id GAA29247; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 06:21:01 -0700 Message-Id: <199510251321.GAA29247@chaph.usc.edu> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 06:24:14 EDT From: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) Reply-To: buffingt@chaph.usc.edu (Roger J. Buffington) To: dewar@nile.gnat.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Win NT on a Thinkpad? On Tue, 24 Oct 95 16:41:56 -0400 you wrote: I agree with the below. The Linex (SP?) questions are 'way out of hand; far beyond discussions that are thinkpad-specific. Questions about how to implement an OS around peculiarities of the Thinkpads seem like fair game, but the Linex questions are all too frequently general in nature. Since Linex is such a specialized niche operating system, surely these questions belong in a Linex-specific list or newsgroup. There are days when the entire list is about the trials and travails of installing Linex . The Win v. Win95 v. NT stuff falls into the same category. I've refrained from responding to Randy Whittle's uninformed slams against OS/2 mainly because this list is not the place for that either, IMHO. >These latest silly operating >systems wars between NT and Win/95 remind me of how much non-thinkpad >stuff is creeping into this list. Please unsubscribe me (I already sent >two messages to tp750-REQUEST! > ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 ----------------------------- AB6WR Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail | "If you run with wolves, howl like them." Old English proverb From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 10:14:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26472; Wed, 25 Oct 95 10:14:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24548; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:14:02 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:12:37 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24243; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:12:31 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA00671 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:16:31 +0800 Message-Id: <199510251416.AA00671@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 21:12:21 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 For the past week I have been trying to get my 750C to recognise the SlimSCSI card in OS/2 to no avail. If somebody can help I shall be eternally grateful. My intention is to hook up the NEC 25 (single speed) CDRom drive to the SlimSCSI; EasyPlay recognises the card as a "APA 1460 SCSI Host Adaptor" but says its status is "not ready" (red X). Besides the Adaptec card, I have also a Megahertz modem and a Zip Drive on the parallel port as external devices, both working without problems. The relevant sections of my Config.Sys are as follows: basedev=aha152x.add - (Adaptec's latest driver from their Web site) device=c:\os2\boot\os2cdrom.dmd /Q BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD IFS=C:\OS2\BOOT\CDFS.IFS /Q If anybody can see something wrong or missing, please let me know. I shall summarize the replies when I have both working. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:25:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09847; Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:25:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11097; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:23:29 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:19:59 -0400 Received: from GAISBERG.EDRC.CMU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10732; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:19:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199510251719.NAA10732@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:19:17 EDT From: Peter F Brown To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT, Thinkpad & Memory Greetings Netland, I have a TP755Cs, with 12 Mbyte (4 + 8Mbyte Simm), ~500MB Disk. I would like to run NT, MS Office, Framemaker, etc on this box. I have a couple of questions... 1) Where can I get a 32Mb Simm that will work with this TP and at what cost? 2) What kind of problems have people had with running NT on the TP? 3) How do you deal with Office/Ethernet vs On the Road/SLIP/PPP network configurations (ala MacTCPSwitcher)? Finally, please no debates about OS/2 or other ops. This machine is going to run NT and maybe Linux. Period. Thanks for the pointers. Pete Peter F. Brown Email: pbrown@cmu.edu Engineering Design Research Center Phone: (412) 268-5226 Carnegie Mellon University Fax: (412) 268-5229 Hamburg Hall 1203 Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:46:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11223; Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:46:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13296; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:42:01 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:22 -0400 Received: from debka.bellcore.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13169; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:12 -0400 Received: (from ernie@localhost) by debka.bellcore.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA20074; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199510251741.NAA20074@debka.bellcore.com> From: Ernie Cohen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP760 reviews? Has anybody seen any reviews/benchmarks of the 760 series (e.g., performance versus the pentium 755's)? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:49:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11460; Wed, 25 Oct 95 13:49:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14024; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:48:25 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:47:57 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13957; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:47:55 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01HWUY7A960W003GQH@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: NT, Thinkpad & Memory In-Reply-To: <199510251719.NAA10732@CS.UTK.EDU> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <814643219.274803.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > 3) How do you deal with Office/Ethernet vs On the Road/SLIP/PPP > network configurations (ala MacTCPSwitcher)? One TCP/IP package that does this very cleanly and easily is TGV's. Look at www.tgv.com for more info - runs under Windows and Win NT. Billy Y.. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 14:21:19 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13421; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:21:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16943; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:19:13 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:17:59 -0400 Received: from CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16823; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:17:58 -0400 Received: by CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA18902; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:18:58 EDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:18:58 EDT From: kedem@CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU (Zvi Meir Kedem) Message-Id: <9510251818.AA18902@CSD36.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Reply-To: Hi all, I hope this is not an inappropriate question to ask in this forum. I have 750C on which currently I have Windows 3.1 installed. The disk is compressed using Stacker version 4.0. I have not made any changes to it (no BIOS upgrades, etc.) since I bought it in April 1994. Will there by any problem installing Windows 95 on it? Thanks in advance. -- Zvi From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 14:30:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14652; Wed, 25 Oct 95 14:30:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18098; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:29:05 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:26:33 -0400 Received: from SSD.intel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17674; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:26:31 -0400 Received: from sv004.scic.intel.com by SSD.intel.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11573; Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:25:49 PDT Received: from rs028.scic.intel.com by sv004.scic.intel.com (4.1/sun41.1); Wed, 25 Oct 95 11:25:49 PDT Received: from localhost by rs028.scic.intel.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/rs32.1); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:25:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9510251825.AA20840@rs028.scic.intel.com> To: billy@mix.com Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT, Thinkpad & Memory In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:46:59 EDT." <814643219.274803.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:25:47 -0700 From: Ed Bunch Under Windows we use OnNet 2.0. The config.sys/autoexec.bat setup calls a little configuration editor they provide to switch the active interface back and forth. Sleeping and then switching is also supposed to be supported but it's aways seems like an unworkable solution to me. The Novell/Banyan drives I will usually use at work don't like me to just unplug the network. I'm not sure how OnNet's NFS and stack behave if you do this; havn't tried it. Under NT I'm not sure their is any issue. It just seems to work for me. The built in Remote Access connects PPP when I'm at home and my Xircom card just works at work. Ed >From: billy@mix.com >> 3) How do you deal with Office/Ethernet vs On the Road/SLIP/PPP >> network configurations (ala MacTCPSwitcher)? >From: Peter F Brown >One TCP/IP package that does this very cleanly and easily is TGV's. >Look at www.tgv.com for more info - runs under Windows and Win NT. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 15:06:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18530; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:06:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22043; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:04:08 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:02:50 -0400 Received: from njitgw.njit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21839; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:02:47 -0400 Received: from njit.edu (homer-gw.njit.edu [128.235.1.199]) by njitgw.njit.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24393 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:01:54 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu by njit.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00819; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 14:58:47 -0400 Received: by random.njit.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17662; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:04:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:04:27 -0400 From: marvin@homer.njit.edu (Marvin Nakayama) Message-Id: <9510251904.AA17662@random.njit.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP760 reviews? X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 13:42 EDT 1995 > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:41:03 -0400 > From: Ernie Cohen > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP760 reviews? > > Has anybody seen any reviews/benchmarks of the 760 series (e.g., > performance versus the pentium 755's)? > > There was just a review of the 760CD in the New York Times yesterday. Also, the November issue of PC Computing has a two-page review of a pre-production unit of the 760CD. Finally, PC Week had a review of the unit on October 2, 1995 in which it was stated that the 90MHz version under Windows 95 "ran neck-and-neck with its 90MHz Pentium competition" and that doubling the RAM to 16MB almost doubles the system performance. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 15:17:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19491; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:17:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23244; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:15:27 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:35 -0400 Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22979; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:32 -0400 Received: by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA40714; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:14:26 -0400 From: awootten@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Message-Id: <9510251914.AA40714@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP355Cs Memory advice sought Thinkpad friends, I should have bought more when I got it. What is the current advice concerning sources and prices? Clear skies, Al +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Alwyn Wootten (http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~awootten/) | | Astronomer, National Radio Astronomy Observatory | | 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475, USA| | (804)-296-0329 voice Let's build The Millimeter Array| | (804)-296-0278 FAX {> {> {> {> | +------------------------------^-----^-----^-----^------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 16:44:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25875; Wed, 25 Oct 95 16:44:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01340; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:41:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:37:02 -0400 Received: from panix2.panix.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00802; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:36:57 -0400 Received: (from macd@localhost) by panix2.panix.com (8.7/8.7/PanixU1.3) id QAA27459; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:34:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael MacDonald To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: My 760CD delayed a month In-Reply-To: <199510242156.AA31670@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mine has been delayed as well, with projected arrival set for 11/20. I too have received the extra 16MB of RAM I ordered. I hope this doesn't turn into another ridiculous 6 month waiting period like what happened with the 755cd. Michael MacDonald macd@panix.com mmacdon1@tinker.hofstra.edu On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Alberto Enna wrote: > On Tue, 24 Oct 1995 11:03:05 -0700 you wrote: > > >My TP760 due on Oct 23 fro PC Direct is now due Nov. 20. They managed to > >ship the memory however. Anyone else get delayed? > > Hope you'll not have to wait for 5 months like me with my TP755CD...! > I don't know why IBM is so "slow" with CD machines... ;-) > Bye by > Alby/Warp > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 17:38:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00143; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:38:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06158; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:36:57 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:35:15 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05944; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:35:10 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA02776 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:39:16 +0800 Message-Id: <199510252139.AA02776@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:35:03 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: SlimSCSI and OS/2... On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:29:58 +0100 you wrote: >Are you sure your card is a APA-1460 and not a APA-460? >(They are both called SlimSCSI, but the latter is really made by Trantor >for adaptec.) > I am sure, the APA-460 is no more in production, whereas my card is only 2 months old. Moreover, EasyPlaying recognises it as the 1460. >They both should work with OS/2. I've had no problems with my APA-460, >but the drivers are not the same! > Can you do me a favor and show me the relevant parts of your config.sys? It make give me a clue as to what I need to do. Thanks Eric. Regards Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 17:40:33 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00179; Wed, 25 Oct 95 17:40:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06474; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:39:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:38:35 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06371; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:38:27 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA02788 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:42:20 +0800 Message-Id: <199510252142.AA02788@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 05:38:07 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TMOTTONEN@cc.Helsinki.FI, TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:26:17 +0200 (EET) you wrote: > I had some startup troubles with my SlimSCSI (in DOS though). > I solved it by installing the latest PCMCIA drivers from IBM > ftp/www site (http://www.pc.ibm.com). The AUTODRV.INI file > from the new PCMCIA driver disk has the following line: > > ... > [SCSI] > CardID=SCSI > Option=Ignore <--- this seems to make the difference > ... I have the latest drivers but I have not hitherto looked into the AUTODRV.INI file. I shall now do so. Thanks for the tip! Regards Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 18:35:02 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06302; Wed, 25 Oct 95 18:35:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10760; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:33:35 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:32:00 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10657; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 18:31:56 -0400 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA08284 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:31:41 -0700 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA08176 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:31:38 -0700 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15435; Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:27:07 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Oct 95 15:27:07 PDT From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510252227.AA15435@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp755cx in suspend mode Hello, I am wondering if anyone experienced the following problems with any model of tp: 1. Let the TP sit for a long time with no A/C. The notebook should go into suspend mode. It should still be consuming power until the battery goes real low and the notebook stuck there and fail to respond to any keystroke even though the A/C is plugged in at this point. Hitting Fn->F4 could not get the machine off the suspend mode. The only solution is to hit the reset switch at the back. 2. This is more or less the same as above. Operate the machine with battery only until the orange power light blinks. At this point, according to the menu, you have one minute to plug in the A/C. If you don't, the notebook will then go into the suspend mode. Any keystroke (including the Fn->F4) will not get the machine off the suspend mode even after the A/C plugged in. Again the only solution is the reset button. Is this a feature or bug? or if this is only me? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 25 22:45:13 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22129; Wed, 25 Oct 95 22:45:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26642; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:44:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:40:55 -0400 Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26354; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 22:40:49 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (ts38-7.wla.ts.ucla.edu [164.67.22.100]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id TAA24520; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:40:42 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 19:40:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199510260240.TAA24520@rho.ben2.ucla.edu> X-Sender: dpark@pop.ben2.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Ernie Cohen From: Dennis Park Subject: Re: TP760 reviews? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 01:41 PM 10/25/95 -0400, you wrote: >Has anybody seen any reviews/benchmarks of the 760 series (e.g., >performance versus the pentium 755's)? > > The 760 Thinkpad is reviewed in PC Computing, also on the cover (Nov issue I believe) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 01:55:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05135; Thu, 26 Oct 95 01:55:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08560; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:55:27 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:50:46 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08359; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:50:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199510260550.BAA08359@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from dialup-2.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:50:35 +0000 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: "A. J. Annala" Subject: CU-SeeMe -- "Video For Windows" PCMCIA for Thinkpad 750Cs? Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 05:50:37 +0000 Does anyone know of a "Video for Windows" implementation for Thinkpad 750Cs? I would like to use it with the new INTERNET interactive video CU-SeeMe code. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 01:56:41 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05141; Thu, 26 Oct 95 01:56:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08677; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:56:16 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:55:24 -0400 Received: from huey.cadvision.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08529; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:55:19 -0400 Received: from cad66.cadvision.com by huey.cadvision.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.04.tri.dcx) id AA21168; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:51:00 -0600 Message-Id: <9510260551.AA21168@huey.cadvision.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "David S. Crombie" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:53:53 +0000 Subject: trackpoint II speed Dos vs. windows Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.10) Quick question: When using my Trackpoint on my 360C in Windows it seems very quick. When I am in a dos game/program it seems sluggish. Is there any way to change this in Dos??? Thanks all David S. Crombie dcrombie@cadvision.com 102035.3354@compuserve.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 03:23:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09270; Thu, 26 Oct 95 03:23:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14123; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:22:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:19:53 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13913; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:19:48 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA04071 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:23:41 +0800 Message-Id: <199510260723.AA04071@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:19:26 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TMOTTONEN@cc.Helsinki.FI Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:26:17 +0200 (EET) you wrote: > I had some startup troubles with my SlimSCSI (in DOS though). > I solved it by installing the latest PCMCIA drivers from IBM > ftp/www site (http://www.pc.ibm.com). The AUTODRV.INI file > from the new PCMCIA driver disk has the following line: > > ... > [SCSI] > CardID=SCSI > Option=Ignore <--- this seems to make the difference > ... > I have verified that OS/2 works slightly differently. The AUTOCONFIG.INI doesnt support SCSI in the same way as the Dos version does. You require the device point enabler by the third party vendor to enable it. I do have this but it doesnt seem to work. I am beginning to suspect maybe its the card that is faulty and not the system setup. Anyhow thanks for the suggestion. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 06:41:36 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18597; Thu, 26 Oct 95 06:41:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04316; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:41:07 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:38:03 -0400 Received: from mailer.together.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04061; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:38:01 -0400 Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mailer.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id GAA15116 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:38:01 -0400 Received: from VTR165.ramp.together.net (VTR165.ramp.together.net [204.97.125.16]) by sequoia.together.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA21100 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 06:41:03 -0400 From: byellin@together.net (Bob Yellin) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:37:53 GMT Message-Id: <308f640d.4224545@together.net> References: <9510252227.AA15435@berlioz.nsc.com> In-Reply-To: <9510252227.AA15435@berlioz.nsc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99c/32.133 Yes, I had a similar experience. I didn't realize that the AC power cord wasn't firmly in place in the adapter and I ran the the battery down in the middle of some important work. After the machine went into suspend mode (or what ever mode it went into) and I realized that the power cord was out, I plugged it in. I couldn't get it running with the usual methods (pressing the function key, etc.) so I activated the power switch (I believe that's what you meant by "reset") and the machine turned on again. The amazing thing is that the machine did not reboot, but instead went right back to the place I had left off and no data was lost. I haven't been able to find this feature documented in the IBM manual or but hat's off to IBM. It's a great feature! Bob Yellin byellin@together.net >Hello, > >I am wondering if anyone experienced the following problems with any model of tp: > >1. Let the TP sit for a long time with no A/C. The notebook should go into suspend > mode. It should still be consuming power until the battery goes real low and > the notebook stuck there and fail to respond to any keystroke even though the > A/C is plugged in at this point. Hitting Fn->F4 could not get the machine off the > suspend mode. The only solution is to hit the reset switch at the back. > >2. This is more or less the same as above. Operate the machine with battery only until > the orange power light blinks. At this point, according to the menu, you have > one minute to plug in the A/C. If you don't, the notebook will then go into > the suspend mode. Any keystroke (including the Fn->F4) will not get the machine > off the suspend mode even after the A/C plugged in. Again the only solution > is the reset button. > >Is this a feature or bug? or if this is only me? > >Thanks. > >-William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 07:06:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19881; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:06:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05726; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:05:24 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:04:28 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05607; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:04:27 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id EAA18898; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:04:24 -0700 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma018893; Thu Oct 26 04:04:23 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com ([158.140.170.77]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA03347; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:05:16 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:05:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199510261105.EAA03347@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 02:18 PM 10/25/95 EDT, you wrote: >I have 750C on which currently I have Windows 3.1 installed. The disk >is compressed using Stacker version 4.0. > >I have not made any changes to it (no BIOS upgrades, etc.) since I >bought it in April 1994. > >Will there by any problem installing Windows 95 on it? The answer is: Maybe... Go to the IBM PC homepage (//www.pc.ibm.com) and go the ThinkPad section. There are a number of updates and assorted BIOS drivers that need to be loaded before you attempt to migrate from Win 3.1 or 3.11 to 95. IBM also provides a "Setup" disk that you can download that prepares your 75O-755 for the Win95 migration. This disk needs to be loaded before you load the first Win95 disk. Fair warning: the 75X ThinkPads have been notorious for running into compatibility problems when running Win95 (I can attest to this 1st hand as I have just recently loaded Win95 on my 755CDV). Any problems you encounter are going to cost $35 per incident since IBM doesn't support Win95 on the ThinkPads for free. As it stands right now, the 755's can't run in the DockII while running Win95, although IBM and Microsoft have assured me that the problem will be resolved shortly. Have fun! Regards, -Ted ******************************** Ted Frederick Mgr. DM Practice Cadence Design Systems tedf@cadence.com ******************************** From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 07:13:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19893; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:13:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06257; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:13:04 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:12:28 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06194; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:12:26 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id EAA19457; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:12:24 -0700 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma019452; Thu Oct 26 04:12:22 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com ([158.140.170.77]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA03351; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:13:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:13:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199510261113.EAA03351@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: andy@spencer.salem.ge.com (Andy Spencer) From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: Dock 2/PCMCIA any known problems? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Try downloading the YPTF012.EXE patch from the IBM pc web server (www.pc.ibm.com) it is supposed to fix a timing problem with the DockII. I have yet to see any improvement in stability in the system as my Win95 755CDV always locks-up in the Dock II, but it might work for you. I'm currently using the DockII as a bookshelf and paperweight. -Ted At 03:02 PM 10/24/95 EDT, you wrote: >I've got a DOCK II that I'm trying to use with both at TP755C and 755CSE. >I'm seeing strange things w/ the PCMCIA cards. Both models work fine out of >the Dock using the 3C589 & MHZ1144 cards. I'm using WinNT and Unix, with NT >on the CSE, I can use the Modem but not the 3Com card in the dock, but with >the C, neither card works in the Dock. > >When I use the 755C w/ Unix in the Dock, the CIS memory for both PCMCIA >cards are garbage. I can see the CIS memory of the cards fine in the CSE >and w/ Unix the CSE works with both cards in or out of the Dock. > >Does anyone know of any limitations on using PCMCIA slots w/ Dock II? It >appears that the slots on the pad are #0 & #1, while the Dock's are #4 & #5. >Is anyone using PCMCIA slots w/ a 755C on a Dock 2? > >Thanks. > > >================================================================ >Andy Spencer GE Drive Systems >andy@spencer.salem.ge.com 1501 Roanoke Blvd / 287 >(703) 387-7361 Salem, VA 24153 >================================================================ > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 09:19:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25653; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:19:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14499; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:18:14 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:16:09 -0400 Received: from skypoint.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14328; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:16:07 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME by skypoint.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0t8RqO-00058tC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:55 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 07:55 CDT X-Sender: otoolec9@mirage.skypoint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: otooleco@pobox.com (Sean T. O'Toole) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode >Yes, I had a similar experience... I >couldn't get it running with the usual methods (pressing the >function key, etc.) so I activated the power switch (I believe >that's what you meant by "reset") and the machine turned on >again. > >The amazing thing is that the machine did not reboot, but instead >went right back to the place I had left off and no data was lost. >I haven't been able to find this feature documented in the IBM >manual or but hat's off to IBM. It's a great feature! > >Bob Yellin byellin@together.net I bought my 750C used a few months back and have been testing battery charging schemes such as draining the battery all of the way down to see if, by cycling down a few times, I might be able to increase operating time. Well, the only way to cycle all of the way down is to let the machine go into the suspended mode. What I found was that activating the power switch *or* pressing the escape key after connecting to AC brought me right back to my page. After digging around under the floppy drive I found two batteries. One, the standard cell that keeps configuration alive, and the other, which is a nickle metal hydrate (or whatever) cell. This must be the power source that keeps your application in suspended state. It is a nice safety feature as I often review my mail and other downloaded stuff when I'm on the road or away from AC and if I start to spin the drive frequently I do run through the battery pretty fast. Regards, Sean O'Toole LFG, LLC otooleco@pobox.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 09:43:15 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26870; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:43:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16534; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:42:30 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:41:55 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16450; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:41:52 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA10199; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:41:48 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510260941.ZM10197@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:41:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ted Frederick "Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0?" (Oct 26, 4:05am) References: <199510261105.EAA03347@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 I can't say anything about stacker, but I installed Win95 over WFWG 3.11 through a network using a PCMCIA network adapter on my TP750Cs... I did however, upgrade the bios to the latest version just in case. I have had no major problems except that the APM gets "confused" every now and then, and won't let me go into suspend (w/ the power cord in, I think) but it works if I close the lid... Hope this helps... Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 09:59:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27470; Thu, 26 Oct 95 09:59:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18057; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:58:22 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:37 -0400 Received: from bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17983; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:35 -0400 Received: from ppp36.net21.binghamton.edu (ppp36.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.36]) by bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA29355 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199510261357.JAA29355@bingnet2.cc.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: frederic@mail.binghamton.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) Subject: List Management Hi there, I've been on the list for half a year or so. It is very useful, but its traffic has increased to the point where it's a nuisance. I know that Eric Thomas's LISTSERV package allows a subscriber set their subscription options to 'digest' - one big message a day containing all of the lists messages. This is a convenient way to deal with busy lists. It it possible to do that here? If it is, I'd like to do so. Thanks =brian Brian Frederick - frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu - (607) 777-6129 Network Analyst - Binghamton University - Computer Center From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 10:26:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28658; Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:26:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20554; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:25:45 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:23:17 -0400 Received: from garm.adm.ku.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20286; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:23:14 -0400 Received: from odont.ku.dk (server1.odont.ku.dk [130.225.107.2]) by garm.adm.ku.dk (8.6.10/8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13811 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:23:04 +0100 Received: from TS/MERCURY by odont.ku.dk (Mercury 1.21); 26 Oct 95 15:28:25 +1 Received: from MERCURY by TS (Mercury 1.21); 26 Oct 95 15:28:15 +1 From: "Anders Nattestad" Organization: Dental School, Univ. of Copenhagen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:28:08 GMT+100 Subject: 755c and sound in Windows 95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <3307A5D014F@odont.ku.dk> Hello all, I have been off the list for a while, so please excuse me if the question has been asked and answered before. I have checked at the archive site, but there are no archives there for the past 3 months. I need to get audio runing in Windows 95. I have never had it to work. I have tried to look into the document from IBM on Windows 95 on my 755c with no luck. Now the audio is there, but only as a continous staggering sound. I can get it to stop by playing some sound (which also is continous = bi-bi-bi-bi......) and then press stop. But next time some sound is starting - it keeps going. I have the latest utils (1.31), system disk (1.41), bios, video (1.33) and audio (1.41). I have even tried running the windows 95 preparation utility. No luck. Now I have appended the Thinkpad audio device to the NODRIVER.INF file as suggested in the win95 document >from IBM. The device is now not in conflict with anything. The irq (5, 10, 11 or 15), i/o addresses and DMA's are all correct according to the setup utils from IBM. Any suggestions ??? Please e-mail a cc directly if at all possible. Thanks in advance. Anders Nattestad ------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Nattestad, D.D.S., Ph.D, Associate professor, Dep. of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery and Chairman of Information Technology division, Dental School, Faculty of Health Science, University of Copenhagen Norre Alle 20, Copenhagen, Denmark, Ph.+4535326618, Fax +4535326625 ------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW homepage : http://www.odont.ku.dk/home/Anders.Nattestad/ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 10:51:11 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29898; Thu, 26 Oct 95 10:51:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23150; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:50:14 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:48:49 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23028; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:48:48 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10195; 26 Oct 95 10:47 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (5.x/SMI-SVR4 (plus cnri and barry's mods)) id AA29468; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:47:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: Bob Yellin Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode In-Reply-To: <308f640d.4224545@together.net> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Bob Yellin wrote: > Yes, I had a similar experience. I didn't realize that the AC > [...] > and I realized that the power cord was out, I plugged it in. I > couldn't get it running with the usual methods (pressing the > function key, etc.) so I activated the power switch (I believe > that's what you meant by "reset") and the machine turned on > again. > > The amazing thing is that the machine did not reboot, but instead > went right back to the place I had left off and no data was lost. > I haven't been able to find this feature documented in the IBM > manual or but hat's off to IBM. It's a great feature! I've been messing with the power management features of my (new!) 701cs, and noticed something in the user's guide which pretty closely covers the behavior you describe. It includes the following summary of methods for resuming from suspend, which i'm copying here in case it's useful: Resuming Your Computer from Suspend You can resume (restart) your computer from Suspend mode by doing any of the following: * Press the Fn key. [Bob said the Fn did *not* have this effect for him.] * Open the lid. * Press the power switch. [<-- The thing that did work for bob.] * Set the Resume on Alarm option. * Set the Resume on Ring option. I like this feature, too. ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x259 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:24:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00620; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:24:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26487; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:22:47 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:21:02 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26184; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:21:00 -0400 Received: from [128.125.223.96] (comserv-f-24.usc.edu [128.125.223.96]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA24112; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:28:21 -0700 To: "Arturo J. Morales" , From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 9:41 AM 10/26/95, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >I can't say anything about stacker, but I installed Win95 over WFWG 3.11 >through >a network using a PCMCIA network adapter on my TP750Cs... I did however, >upgrade the bios to the latest version just in case. I have had no major >problems except that the APM gets "confused" every now and then, and won't let >me go into suspend (w/ the power cord in, I think) but it works if I close the >lid... Speaking of which...for those of you who have upgraded to Win '95 on your 'Pads (I'm using a 750C), what have you done with/about your non-'95-native utilities like the ThinkPad features, Battery monitor, etc.? Is there updated ThinkPad utilities for Win '95? I hear that if your running "old" Windows software on Win '95 then its really not worth installing Win '95. ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:31:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03202; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:31:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27229; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:30:23 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:28:59 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27046; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:28:57 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA10584; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:28:28 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510261128.ZM10582@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:28:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) "Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0?" (Oct 26, 8:28am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle), Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 On Oct 26, 8:28am, Randy Whittle wrote: > > Speaking of which...for those of you who have upgraded to Win '95 > on your 'Pads (I'm using a 750C), what have you done with/about your > non-'95-native utilities like the ThinkPad features, Battery monitor, etc.? > Is there updated ThinkPad utilities for Win '95? > > I hear that if your running "old" Windows software on Win '95 then > its really not worth installing Win '95. > I'm running the old Thinkpad stuff, and it works fine. I am, however, running Word, Excel and Powerpoint for Win95 and they run great, win 3.1 apps run well, but win95 apps run extremely fast under win95. I haven't found Win95 native apps for the thinkpad utilities, but you don't really need them, since Win95 has its own battery monitor and suspend support. >-- End of excerpt from Randy Whittle Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:38:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03493; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:38:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27901; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:36:39 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:35:58 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27787; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:35:55 -0400 Received: from [128.125.223.96] (comserv-f-24.usc.edu [128.125.223.96]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA25626; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:43:24 -0700 To: otooleco@pobox.com (Sean T. O'Toole), tp750@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode At 7:55 AM 10/26/95, Sean T. O'Toole wrote: >I bought my 750C used a few months back and have been testing battery >charging schemes such as draining the battery all of the way down to see if, >by cycling down a few times, I might be able to increase operating time. >Well, the only way to cycle all of the way down is to let the machine go >into the suspended mode. Not really, Sean. There is a "Deep Discharge" mode on your Battery Life indicator software (DOS or Windows--and of course OS/2 also). The only caveat is that you have to be plugged into AC for it to work (strangely enough--the idea is that after it discharges all the way it automatically kicks into Charging the battery back up again). ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 11:48:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03989; Thu, 26 Oct 95 11:48:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29092; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:46:49 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:45 -0400 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28812; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:43 -0400 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA35854; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9510261545.AA35854@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Randy Whittle" at Oct 26, 95 08:28:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Randy Whittle wrote: > Speaking of which...for those of you who have upgraded to Win '95 > on your 'Pads (I'm using a 750C), what have you done with/about your > non-'95-native utilities like the ThinkPad features, Battery monitor, etc.? > Is there updated ThinkPad utilities for Win '95? I've been running Win95 on my 755cx since the end of August. Most of the apps I use are Win3.1 apps -- Lotus SmartSuite, Corel 4 (draw/photopaint), etc. The thinkpad utilities work fine -- I did update the utilities with the newer utilities disk from ftp.pc.ibm.com, but I don't think they're Win95 specific. Everything works just fine -- even stuff like the 16-bit Twain driver for my Primax ColorMobileOffice hand scanner. With the MWave 2.0 update and the updated FaxWorks, even the sound/modem/fax stuff works great. Basically, Win95 offered me two key advantages that make life much easier than if I were running Win3.1 or Warp. Networking & the Briefcase "object" Under Win95, Networking is pretty close to "hot-swappable". I don't have to reboot the 'pad to connect or disconnect from my home network. Whether I last booted on or off the net, just slip in the pcmcia ethernet card and everything's there -- network printer, drives mapped from my desktop system, whatever. When I need to take the 'pad with me, I just hit a menu selection and the thing unloads/disconnects all the networking; then remove the ethernet card, close the 'pad, and go -- no need to reboot. If I print to a networked printer while away from the net, (I let my desktop system do the spooling) the print job will be placed in the local spool area. When I connect back to the network, a window pops up asking if I want to print the jobs then -- this allows me to print stuff I'm working on when I'm working on it -- I don't have to remember later on which files I wanted to print out. The Briefcase, while it could use some work, is still very useful. I keep all my work under a particular directory, which is kept in the "Briefcase". Selecting "update" from a menu causes the 'pad to compare its copy of the directory tree to the copy stored on my desktop system -- updating everything that's changed on one or the other. Not only do I then have a consistant set of files on the two machines, but it also serves as a crude means of backing up the really important stuff on the 'pad. Now, this is just why *I* put Win95 on both my systems; it offered some nice solutions for my specific needs. If you don't do any networking and are happy with what you have, I'm not sure there's a strong argument for upgrading now. Also -- I have 24 meg of RAM in my 755cx -- it'd probably be a bit different if I were at 8 meg or less. Win95's sweet spot seems to be at around 12 meg. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 12:09:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06168; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:09:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01239; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:08:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:07:37 -0400 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01133; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:07:33 -0400 Received: from localhost.gate.net (mgilula@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA98537 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:07:17 -0400 Received: by localhost.gate.net (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA00396; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:05:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:05:38 -0400 (GMT-0400) From: "Marshall F. Gilula" To: GeneralMailing ThinkPadList Subject: OS thread(s) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII are important to me, but not in a flameful context. I enjoy reading what others write about WHY and HOW they adore OS/2, which I find laborious (partially from my own ignorance) and nonproductive. The Active Matrix color display continually amazes me with its clarity and crispness. I hope to find a way to install NEXTSTEP 3.3 on my 755CD with the "old" 100MHzDX4 486 rather than the Pentium cpu. There is actually a video driver for the 755CX under NEXTSTEP 3.3 but I am looking for information on the applicability to a 755CD. The actual video chip is the same for both models as reference by the appropriate Western Digital ID#.Because of the red-hot DSP sound capability, the 755 line might also offer a better audio implementation of the NEXTSTEP CD-quality sound than many of the more customary SB-16 NEXTSTEP for Intel audio implementations. -73- Marshall Marshall F. Gilula, M.D "El que busca mucho nada encuentra, pero mgilula@gate.net el que busca nada mucho encuentra" NeRD#1054 Co-Founder, MiamiNUG ******standard disclaimers apply***** Carpe resurrectionem mortuorum From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 12:14:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06304; Thu, 26 Oct 95 12:14:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01806; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:13:12 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:12:08 -0400 Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01686; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:12:04 -0400 Received: from efd.lth.se (f91el@saturnus-3 [130.235.41.13]) by kobra.efd.lth.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id RAA17336; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:11:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199510261611.RAA17336@kobra.efd.lth.se> To: Ted Frederick Cc: kedem@cs.nyu.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, f91el@efd.lth.se Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C running windows 3.1 and stacker 4.0? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 1995 04:05:16 MST." <199510261105.EAA03347@cds8962.Cadence.COM> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:11:18 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl Except for Stacker, I a have a machine running win95 with the above                                        a 750C with 20/ Megs running win95. (Well, rahter my      my mother has,.  .. I prefer to stick to OS/2...)  It works fine, except that sometimes it wouldn{t  't resume r correctly.  - it hanged when trying to play a sound after s reu sume. I think i solved the problem though, by disable ing intel SL support.   , just like IBM recommends you to do when installing win 3.1 (The thinkpad fet atures take cv are of APM)    Power mag nagement.) I have upgraded t                 upgraded the machine to the latest bios from ftp.o pcco.ibm.com before upgrading. (I think they recommend you to do so.) There  re are display drivers (accelerated, 32 bit) in win 95 for the thinkpad, but you have to remember to maintain your IBMVESA directory and TPADVESA in autoexec. The sounds  drivers didn{t  't work either, until I installed them the second time. (IBMs    drivers, that is. MS doesn{ 't provide any.) Since them n, there has appeared a new       new feature diskette and a new audio diskette that sopp   upport wid ndows 95. It might work with earlier releases - but I strongly suggest that you take the time and download the,.  m. As for      Further, I was told that                           If you have the possibility - I think that the best think g is to do a clean install.   , to get rid of any old win3.1 sut  tuff... In that way             And at the same time, drop stacker for the compression that comes with win95. (Drivespace.) Compression              Any compression will hurt performance, but with m Microsoft p  s program, at least the 32-bit disc k access will work..  (  (In os    OS/2         As for        Btw, if  if you run OS/2 i can recommend zi  ZipStream. F File by File compression, where the writing takes place on a very low-prio thread...) Well, in sur mmary: It will work just fine i on a 750C, but it might take some tweaking. Backup your d important data before jumping.;-9 ( ) regardsm , Erik From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 15:35:35 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20012; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:35:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20178; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:34:30 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:30:39 -0400 Received: from enterprise.america.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19684; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:30:23 -0400 Received: from rich by enterprise.america.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m0t8Y0B-001w4FC; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:30 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:30 EDT X-Sender: richh@199.170.102.100 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: Richard Holtz unsubscribe richh@america.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Richard Holtz, RRH Associates /www.hometeam.com/rrh.shtml Home Control [Automation] and Building Control Systems Consultants Tel: 904 676 2725 Cell FlipPhone: 904 679 4858 Fax: 904 676 0237 internet: rrh@america.com Compuserve: Used when in field 76507,2222 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 15:53:23 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21281; Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:53:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22182; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:51:51 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:50:53 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22023; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:50:50 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:50 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:19:26 EDT from Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Subject: Adaptec SlimSCSI in OS/2 I am beginning to suspect maybe its the card that is faulty and not the system setup. I think this is probably the case. Your configuration is fine and I know the exact same configuration works on a 750C we have here. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 18:03:57 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00310; Thu, 26 Oct 95 18:03:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05626; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 18:02:53 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:56:05 -0400 Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04846; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:59 -0400 From: Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA02798; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:25 -0400 Message-Id: <951026175523_55257933@emout05.mail.aol.com> To: frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List Management Good idea. I was just wondering about getting the Thinkpad mailing list as a digest. I'm also subscribed to the Honda mailing list and they give out frequent digests. Is a digest possible here? -Mark M. (Mark3M@aol.com) In a message dated 95-10-26 09:59:38 EDT, frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Brian Frederick) writes: >Hi there, > I've been on the list for half a year or so. It is very useful, but its >traffic has increased to the point where it's a nuisance. I know that Eric >Thomas's LISTSERV package allows a subscriber set their subscription options >to 'digest' - one big message a day containing all of the lists messages. >This is a convenient way to deal with busy lists. > > It it possible to do that here? If it is, I'd like to do so. > > Thanks > >=brian >Brian Frederick - frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu - (607) 777-6129 >Network Analyst - Binghamton University - Computer Center > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 19:19:43 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08139; Thu, 26 Oct 95 19:19:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13098; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:17:28 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:14:45 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12812; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 19:14:42 -0400 Received: from [128.125.222.122] (comserv-d-50.usc.edu [128.125.222.122]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA12105; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:22:11 -0700 To: "Lew Jansen" From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Thank you for your input, Lew! At 11:45 AM 10/26/95, Lew Jansen wrote: > Networking & the Briefcase "object" Can you network to "old" Windows for Workgroups? (i.e., if I put Win '95 on one machine and not the other, can they still talk to each other?) > Now, this is just why *I* put Win95 on both my systems; it offered some nice >solutions for my specific needs. If you don't do any networking and are happy >with what you have, I'm not sure there's a strong argument for upgrading now. I have a desktop PC and a Macintosh networked together via 10Base-T (I also have a 3Com card in my 'Pad). It runs Windows for Workgroups and to connect the Mac, something called "MacLan Connect" (which basically makes Windows speak Appletalk for the Mac's built-in networking). Between that and some Windows drivers that speak to a hardware card that communicates with my LaserJet 4 to produce 1200 dpi printing, I'm rather reticent about upgrading to Win '95. I don't know if these things will get along with the new Windows. > Also -- I have 24 meg of RAM in my 755cx -- it'd probably be a bit different >if I were at 8 meg or less. Win95's sweet spot seems to be at around 12 meg. I have 12 MB RAM on my 750C--enough, you think? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 26 20:31:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12415; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:31:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17300; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:28:02 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:26:07 -0400 Received: from aaRS.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17165; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:26:05 -0400 Received: by aaRS.mit.edu (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for TP750@cs.utk.edu id AA13031; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:26:00 -0400 From: "Arturo J. Morales" Message-Id: <9510262025.ZM13029@aaRS.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 20:25:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) "Re: Windows 95 on 750C?" (Oct 26, 4:22pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 > At 11:45 AM 10/26/95, Lew Jansen wrote: > > > Networking & the Briefcase "object" > > Can you network to "old" Windows for Workgroups? (i.e., if I put > Win '95 on one machine and not the other, can they still talk to each > other?) > You just have to make sure that Win95 uses frame buffer size (i think) as 802.3, or is it 803.2? >> Now, this is just why *I* put Win95 on both my systems; it offered some nice >>solutions for my specific needs. If you don't do any networking and are happy >>with what you have, I'm not sure there's a strong argument for upgrading now. > > I have a desktop PC and a Macintosh networked together via 10Base-T > (I also have a 3Com card in my 'Pad). It runs Windows for Workgroups and > to connect the Mac, something called "MacLan Connect" (which basically > makes Windows speak Appletalk for the Mac's built-in networking). Between > that and some Windows drivers that speak to a hardware card that > communicates with my LaserJet 4 to produce 1200 dpi printing, I'm rather > reticent about upgrading to Win '95. I don't know if these things will get > along with the new Windows. > Be careful with the installation, I lost my network drivers during a crucial part of the installation and had to transfer the files via SneakerNet (c) and I had to go between rooms every time Win95 asked for a file from the CDROM. I had to wait for it to ask for it, so I could know what it needed... This happened about 12-15 times (good exercise :) I would suggest finding out about your specific drivers from the different manufacturers. >> Also -- I have 24 meg of RAM in my 755cx -- it'd probably be a bit different >>if I were at 8 meg or less. Win95's sweet spot seems to be at around 12 meg. > > I have 12 MB RAM on my 750C--enough, you think? > I'm running on 8 and it is (believe it or not) faster than OS/2 (at least with Win95 native 32 bit apps). Don't get me wrong, I'm not content with 8 megs, but as a grad student, I must cope with it, and Win95 makes life a lot easier... I've tried OS/2, Warp, Win3.11, WFWG, Linux and Win95, and I'm pretty happy with Win95 and Linux dual boot, but then again, that's my personal opinion... BTW, Where did you get MacLAN Connect? That is something I've been looking for for quite some time... Hope this helps Art -- Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology http://minihelix.mit.edu/top.html | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 00:04:44 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25671; Fri, 27 Oct 95 00:04:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04412; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 00:03:50 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:58:42 -0400 Received: from cln.etc.bc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03561; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 23:58:41 -0400 Received: from sparky.etc.bc.ca by cln.etc.bc.ca for TP750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA07633; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:58:13 PDT Received: from ppreside.gov.bc.ca etc.bc.ca ([206.12.129.11]) by sparky.etc.bc.ca (4.1//ident-1.0) id AA02514; Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:56:02 PDT Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 20:55:57 PDT Message-Id: <9510270356.AA02514@sparky.etc.bc.ca> X-Sender: ppreside@pop.etc.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: MACLAN Connect Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Hi Randy; I would also be very interested in getting info on this software. Thanks Pat At 05:59 PM 95 08 09 -0700, Randy Whittle wrote: > Would the person who E-mailed me about a week ago regarding the use >of some software called "Personal MacLan Connect" to connect PC's with >Macintoshes via Ethernet please contact me? > > I lost your E-mail and don't have your address--but I'm pretty sure >you contacted me via this ThinkPad List. > > Just a quick reference: I bought it, and it seems to work >splendidly (even from my 'pad) for seeing stuff on the Mac, but I can't >seem to figure out how to get the Mac to "see" PC Drives. Any help would >be appreciated. > > Thank you! > >----- ____________________________ >Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | >USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | > "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| > Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- > -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner > > > > O _ | Pat Presidente | ======= | Technology Resource Teacher | |_-/_| | ppreside@cln.etc.bc.ca | P R E Z | SD 72 425 Pinecrest Rd | | | | 604-286-0651 Fx 286-9801 | ======= | Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | =======|"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-JP | From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 02:44:12 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06879; Fri, 27 Oct 95 02:44:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12837; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:43:42 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:37:15 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12298; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 02:37:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199510270637.CAA12298@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from dialup-2.ucl.ac.uk by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:37:08 +0000 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu From: "A. J. Annala" Subject: IBM Representatives? Anyone on TP750 List? Elsewhere? Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 06:37:09 +0000 OK, I have a problem with the current Video Features Diskette drivers. Whenever I change resolution, the driver installation wipres out my note in SYSTEM.INI that it is OK to use B000-B7FF (unused Monochrome VGA area). So I have to keep going in and editing SYSTEM.INI when I change resolution. This is a definite bug -- it should be fixed. Where do I write? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 04:23:32 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12219; Fri, 27 Oct 95 04:23:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23101; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:22:47 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:21:55 -0400 Received: from garm.adm.ku.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23014; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:21:53 -0400 Received: from odont.ku.dk (server1.odont.ku.dk [130.225.107.2]) by garm.adm.ku.dk (8.6.10/8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23569 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:21:50 +0100 Received: from TS/MERCURY by odont.ku.dk (Mercury 1.21); 27 Oct 95 09:27:16 +1 Received: from MERCURY by TS (Mercury 1.21); 27 Oct 95 09:27:04 +1 From: "Anders Nattestad" Organization: Dental School, Univ. of Copenhagen To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:26:58 GMT+100 Subject: 755c and sound in Windows 95 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-Id: <34275CC0D20@odont.ku.dk> Hello all, I have been off the list for a while, so please excuse me if the question has been asked and answered before. I have checked at the archive site, but there are no archives there for the past 3 months. I need to get audio runing in Windows 95. I have never had it to work. I have tried to look into the document from IBM on Windows 95 on my 755c with no luck. Now the audio is there, but only as a continous staggering sound. I can get it to stop by playing some sound (which also is continous = bi-bi-bi-bi......) and then press stop. But next time some sound is starting - it keeps going. I have the latest utils (1.31), system disk (1.41), bios, video (1.33) and audio (1.41). I have even tried running the windows 95 preparation utility. No luck. Now I have appended the Thinkpad audio device to the NODRIVER.INF file as suggested in the win95 document >from IBM. The device is now not in conflict with anything. The irq (5, 10, 11 or 15), i/o addresses and DMA's are all correct according to the setup utils from IBM. Any suggestions ??? Please e-mail a cc directly if at all possible. Sincerely Anders ------------------------------------------------------------------- Anders Nattestad, D.D.S., Ph.D, Associate professor, Dep. of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery and Chairman of Information Technology division, Dental School, Faculty of Health Science, University of Copenhagen Norre Alle 20, Copenhagen, Denmark, Ph.+4535326618, Fax +4535326625 ------------------------------------------------------------------- WWW homepage : http://www.odont.ku.dk/home/Anders.Nattestad/ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 04:24:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12225; Fri, 27 Oct 95 04:24:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22768; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:19:31 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:17:28 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22675; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 04:17:23 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA08296 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:21:13 +0800 Message-Id: <199510270821.AA08296@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 15:56:48 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: 760CD Keyboard Tilt I saw the 760CD at Comdex Asia yesterday and managed to get a few minutes hands-on experience with it. I wont bore everyone with superlatives but one aspect of the design I am not impressed with and that is the keyboard tilt. When the cover is lifted the keyboard detaches itself away from the body of the computor at the screen end and is raised at an angle supported by two spring metal clips clearly visible from the outside. The base of the computor continues to lie flat on the table. When I saw this I wondered about the heat. In the case of the 75x series, when the two "legs" are extended the whole computor is slanted at an angle which provides a space for heat dissipation. Here there is no such space since the base remains horizontal. The angle of the tilt is also very acute, and may not be sufficiently comfortable for those who are used to the tilting angle provided by the 75x series. I didnt ask whether the angle could be varied but it does not appear so given that the two metal clips could be seen. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 09:55:49 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00228; Fri, 27 Oct 95 09:55:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22598; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:55:13 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:51:35 -0400 Received: from rmii.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22212; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:51:33 -0400 Received: from slip1135.rmii.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #4) id m0t8p8V-000JegC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 07:47 MDT Message-Id: X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:52:50 -0600 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode > You can resume (restart) your computer from Suspend mode by doing any of > the following: > > * Press the Fn key. [Bob said the Fn did *not* have this effect for him.] FYI..Having played with this on mine a lot, you have to press the Fn key for longer than just a quick tap.. Lee Stewart 755C From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 10:18:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03990; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:18:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24684; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:17:19 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:13:10 -0400 Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24214; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:13:07 -0400 Received: from ts34-5.wla.ts.ucla.edu (ts34-5.wla.ts.ucla.edu [164.67.22.34]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA106192 for ; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199510271412.HAA106192@rho.ben2.ucla.edu> X-Sender: sshaw@pop.ben2.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Stanford Shaw Subject: TP760 TILT KEYBOARD Can the tilt feature on the TP760 be shut off or suspended if it is not desired? Stanford J. Shaw sshaw@ucla.edu Professor of Turkish and Judeo-Turkish History University of California Los Angeles, CA, 90024 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 11:40:07 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09472; Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:40:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05449; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:38:38 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:35:57 -0400 Received: from skypoint.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05137; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:35:55 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME by skypoint.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0t8qhT-0005JXC; Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:28 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Oct 95 10:28 CDT X-Sender: otoolec9@mirage.skypoint.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: otooleco@pobox.com (Sean T. O'Toole) Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode >> You can resume (restart) your computer from Suspend mode by doing any of >> the following: >> >> * Press the Fn key. [Bob said the Fn did *not* have this effect for him.] > Something peculiar happens to my 750c when it wakes from suspended mode. My mouse pointer won't move. Anyone else ever seen this occur? Any ideas? Regards, Sean O'Toole LFG, LLC otooleco@pobox.com From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 11:48:52 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10426; Fri, 27 Oct 95 11:48:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06211; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:47:42 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:47:10 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06137; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 11:47:03 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA04560; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:46:52 -0700 Received: by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67e/NeXT-2.0-FZ-2.2) id AA00369; Fri, 27 Oct 95 08:45:22 -0700 From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:45:20 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Infrared Port Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8bq m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8bq m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Is anyone doing anything with the IR port? I'd be interested to know what. I'd like to be able to use my IR port to communicate with my HP48sx, as well as be able to use it as an IR remote for my TV. I don't actually want to sit in front of the TV with the ThinkPad on my lap to control it, but I thought it would be neat for automation of some things, like setting the clock on my VCR. I can keep the ThinkPad sync'd with real time, and whenever the power went out, I could tell it to reset the clock on my VCR. It'd be very handy! Unfortunately, right now, I can't do anything with the IR port. It doesn't seem to be working. It's also currently having problems that when I cold boot it, it hangs, and I have to let the computer warm up a bit, and then restart it, so I'm sending my ThinkPad in for repair. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy., Napa, CA, 94558 MIME ok, NeXTMail tolerated From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 13:37:48 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18680; Fri, 27 Oct 95 13:37:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15283; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:36:46 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:54 -0400 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14953; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA25097; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199510271733.NAA25097@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Mark3M@aol.com Cc: frederic@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List Management In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:55:25 EDT." <951026175523_55257933@emout05.mail.aol.com> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:33:43 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > I was just wondering about getting the Thinkpad mailing list as a digest. > I'm also subscribed to the Honda mailing list and they give out frequent > digests. > > Is a digest possible here? I am currently testing out a digestifier. Once I verify that it works, I'll offer subscriptions to a tp750-digest list in addition to the normal list. Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 15:08:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25016; Fri, 27 Oct 95 15:08:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23393; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:06:43 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:04:39 -0400 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23165; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:04:36 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA19523 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:04:33 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199510271904.MAA19523@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: 701 Internal Modem? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 12:04:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First off, is this even the right place to be asking questions about the 701, or should I slink off to another list? Secondly, hi. I just joined the ranks of ThinkPad owners with a 701C. I bought it partially because I'm going to be taking a trip overseas soon, and I want to (a) do work while I'm gone; and (b) try to stay in contact while abroad (I will be in Singapore, Thailand, and India, which will make life interesting for connectivity, but doable). Anyways, the manual for the 701 modem says "this can only be used in the US and Canada" - it's a standard RJ11 jack. This sent a shiver through me - after all, one of the selling points of the machine (for me) was the modem. So, (a) does anyone know why the manual says this? Is it just to CYA? (b) has anyone used one of these modems abroad? Or can give a justifiable reason why I should plug into the overseas network without such experience? (c) If directly plugging into the phone line isn't a good idea, can I buy any adapters (other than a new modem :)? Thanks! Steve -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 16:53:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04327; Fri, 27 Oct 95 16:53:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02400; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:52:01 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:48:35 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01999; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:48:33 -0400 Received: from [128.125.224.54] (comserv-h-54.usc.edu [128.125.224.54]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id NAA29941; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 13:56:02 -0700 To: "Arturo J. Morales" , TP750@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? At 8:25 PM 10/26/95, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >BTW, Where did you get MacLAN Connect? That is something I've been looking for >for quite some time... >Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu I got MacLAN Connect from some mail order outfit (that's pretty much the only way to get Mac stuff these days). Which one? I'm not sure! But I think it was probably MacWarehouse. The company that makes it is (I think) "Miramar Systems" and they're located near the Santa Barbara, California area (I think the city is Goleta, but I'm not sure). It was about $150, as I recall. Well worth it if you're trying to get the two different platforms to talk to each other. It does a neat job of both file and printer sharing. I first found out about them via a member of this list! His name is Duane Spellecacy and his E-mail address (if he's not on the list anymore and can't speak for himself) is dspellec@corcomsv.corcom.com. I also found out more about it via a little web-surfing--perhaps once you do some of that you can get a number for them and perhaps a distributor. Let me know how it goes... ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 17:25:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06931; Fri, 27 Oct 95 17:25:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05046; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:23:30 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:22:44 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04974; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:22:41 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra-scf2.usc.edu [128.125.73.232]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA05063; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA12259; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199510272122.OAA12259@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199510270821.AA08296@linux.nicotra.com.sg> from "Wilson Yip" at Oct 27, 95 03:56:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When the cover is lifted the keyboard detaches itself away from > the body of the computor at the screen end and is raised at an > angle supported by two spring metal clips clearly visible from > the outside. The base of the computor continues to lie flat on > the table. When I saw this I wondered about the heat. In the > case of the 75x series, when the two "legs" are extended the > whole computor is slanted at an angle which provides a space for > heat dissipation. Here there is no such space since the base > remains horizontal. On my 750C, it gets pretty hot under there, but... I almost never use the little legs. Not that I don't like them, but I just forget about them and don't go through the trouble of opening them up. > The angle of the tilt is also very acute, and may not be > sufficiently comfortable for those who are used to the tilting > angle provided by the 75x series. I didnt ask whether the angle > could be varied but it does not appear so given that the two > metal clips could be seen. But all this could be moot if there are *also* a pair of extending legs in the bottom of the 760. Are there? ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 18:11:54 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09819; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:11:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08841; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:10:38 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:08:09 -0400 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08471; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:08:06 -0400 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04383; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:54:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Sean T. O'Toole" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp755cx in suspend mode In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Oct 1995, Sean T. O'Toole wrote: > Something peculiar happens to my 750c when it wakes from suspended mode. My > mouse pointer won't move. Anyone else ever seen this occur? Any ideas? If you're using Windows, this is usually the result of having DOS type (or something like that) set to MS-DOS instead of MS-DOS w/ APM in the setup options. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 27 18:42:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11497; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:42:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11028; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:41:03 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:39:48 -0400 Received: from fw1.cummins.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10809; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:39:45 -0400 Received: by fw1.cummins.com; id SAA07256; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 18:34:16 -0400 Received: from unknown(160.95.120.3) by fw1.cummins.com via smap (g3.0.1) id xma007251; Fri, 27 Oct 95 18:34:00 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.cummins.com (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19727; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 17:37:52 -0500 Message-Id: <9510272237.AA19727@gatekeeper.cummins.com> Received: from borg.cel.cummins.com by bubba.cel.cummins.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4.1-Domain/OS) id AA03567; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:57:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:57:58 -0500 From: "Julie A. Strietelmeier" To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 I've had my TP701cs for about 3 weeks now. I'm noticing that the keyboard seems to be less responsive. Sometimes keys even seem to stick or need to be pressed twice for it to register. Is this normal? Has anyone else had this problem? ______________________________________________________________________________ Julie Strietelmeier The Fret Board BBS julie@cel.cummins.com (812)342-6564 Columbus, IN A Guitar / Music BBS ______________________________________________________________________________ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:55:58 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21416; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:55:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10733; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:08 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:41 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10175; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:22 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12140 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:25 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12140@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:26:47 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: mahoneym@iquest.net Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:00:57 -0500 you wrote: >Are there no legs on the bottom of the cumputer? > There are no legs. I went back this morning and took a second look. There is only 2 rubber strips similar what obtains on the 75x but slightly thicker. The IBM rep I met there confirmed the angle of the tilt cannot be varried, its either tilt at that angle or no tilt. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:56:25 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21421; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:56:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10745; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:55 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10185; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:25 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12132 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:19 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12132@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:16:47 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: sshaw@ucla.edu Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: TP760 TILT KEYBOARD On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 07:12:53 -0700 you wrote: >Can the tilt feature on the TP760 be shut off or suspended if it is not desired? > Yes, one can press the metal clips and the keyboard will lower itself in line with the rest of the computor. However it appears to me the default is always to tilt when you lift the up the screen so that you always have to lower it manually each time if you dont want it. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:56:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21428; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:56:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10749; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:50:07 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10215; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:48 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12144 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:29 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12144@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:13:04 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: mgilula@gate.net Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:01:19 -0400 (GMT-0400) you wrote: >hi there. Did the keys on the 760 look any smaller than they are >on the 755..? This is my burning question, and I guess I'll have to >go *see* the 760, possibly, to get it answered. > The new design re-positions the keyboard nearer the screen so that there is space for the arm-rest but the size of the keys and the dimensions of the keyboard are the same. I looked very carefully, this is not a casual observation. The two speakers have also been moved to the corners of the arm rest. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 02:57:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21436; Sat, 28 Oct 95 02:57:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10748; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:54:11 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:29 -0400 Received: from linux.nicotra.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10174; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 02:49:20 -0400 Received: from nicotra.com.sg (wilson) by linux.nicotra.com.sg with SMTP id AA12119 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for < TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:53:09 +0800 Message-Id: <199510280653.AA12119@linux.nicotra.com.sg> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 95 14:33:36 EDT From: Wilson Yip (Wilson Yip) Reply-To: wyip@nicotra.com.sg (Wilson Yip) To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Yang Kuangying's PMMail v1.1 Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt On Fri, 27 Oct 1995 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) you wrote: > On my 750C, it gets pretty hot under there, but... > > I almost never use the little legs. Not that I don't like >them, but I just forget about them and don't go through the trouble >of opening them up. > But all this could be moot if there are *also* a pair of >extending legs in the bottom of the 760. Are there? > There are no legs at the bottom, I've looked carefully. However I did touch the underside where the heat comes from and it really didnt seem as hot as my 750 when running on AC. The mpeg feature is quite nice, they were demonstrating using a Hong Kong kungfu movie. I noticed one has to get the right angle to get the clarity, any variation off this and it doesnt look nice. Wilson Yip From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 28 20:55:06 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10917; Sat, 28 Oct 95 20:55:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26272; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:54:13 -0400 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:48:33 -0400 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25874; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:48:14 -0400 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA26620; Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:43:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 20:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Whiteside To: Mark_Strawcutter Cc: Arie Litman , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <01HWSIL9CMJO8Y6JBT@grove.iup.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Oct 1995, Mark_Strawcutter wrote: Arie said: > > - for once (a month or so ago) I actually needed info about TP750C and > > Win95, and NO ONE, not even one responce was offred. > > Sorry for your bad experience, mine have all been just the opposite. Mine too, though there have been exceptions. I hate to contribute to the noise here, but I this this is worth saying: This is not a paid support list. If you post a question, there is absolutely no demand upon anyone reading to answer. We do it, and we put time into it, because we enjoy the process and take away something when we're done. But nobody is _owed_ an answer here, and if a question or request is posed and gets no response, the proper reaction is to either ask it again or go find the answer yourself. I hate to sound irked about this, but I have had people mail me their USENET postings that they directed to me a week or so earlier and I never replied to, so I could answer their questions and solve their problems. I'm only obligated to do that when I am getting paid, and I have yet to get a check signed USENET or Thinkpad Mailing List. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 29 03:18:22 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00286; Sun, 29 Oct 95 03:18:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19728; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 03:16:41 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 03:08:35 -0500 Received: from corcomsv.corcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19097; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 03:08:18 -0500 Received: from spellppp.corcom.com by corcomsv.corcom.com with SMTP (5.65/1.2-eef) id AA17924; Sun, 29 Oct 95 00:05:40 -0800 Received: by spellppp.corcom.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BAA592.575F94C0@spellppp.corcom.com>; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 00:06:05 -0800 Message-Id: <01BAA592.575F94C0@spellppp.corcom.com> From: Duane Spellecacy To: "Arturo J. Morales" , "TP750@cs.utk.edu" , "'Randy Whittle'" Subject: RE: Windows 95 on 750C? Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 10:00:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm still here. We've been trying to get settled into our new home, so = I haven't been following too closely but I'm still following along... = Right now I only have the one system here at home running, so I don't = have MacLan Connect going anywhere. I'll get back to it though, as both = my kids have Mac's and I'm the only person with a printer. There seems to be a lot of talk about running Win95 on the TP's, It = works for me. I have Win95 running on both of my desktop systems, home = & work. I also have it on the TP I use at work. Its a TP750ce and I've = never had any problems with Win95, at least until I upgraded the BIOS to = the newest version. When I did that, Win95 suddenly found lots of new = devices and things to change. Took about an hour or so to reconfigure = everything, but its working now.. Enjoy Duane ---------- From: Randy Whittle[SMTP:whittle@chaph.usc.edu] Sent: Friday, October 27, 1995 12:56 PM To: Arturo J. Morales; TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 on 750C? At 8:25 PM 10/26/95, Arturo J. Morales wrote: >BTW, Where did you get MacLAN Connect? That is something I've been = looking for >for quite some time... >Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | art@aars.mit.edu I got MacLAN Connect from some mail order outfit (that's pretty much the only way to get Mac stuff these days). Which one? I'm not = sure! But I think it was probably MacWarehouse. The company that makes it is = (I think) "Miramar Systems" and they're located near the Santa Barbara, California area (I think the city is Goleta, but I'm not sure). It was about $150, as I recall. Well worth it if you're trying to get the two different platforms to talk to each other. It does a neat job of both = file and printer sharing. I first found out about them via a member of this list! His = name is Duane Spellecacy and his E-mail address (if he's not on the list = anymore and can't speak for himself) is dspellec@corcomsv.corcom.com. I also found out more about it via a little web-surfing--perhaps once you do = some of that you can get a number for them and perhaps a distributor. Let me know how it goes... ----- = ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: = | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// = | "Did you really think you could call up the | = www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" = ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult = practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 29 10:36:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21218; Sun, 29 Oct 95 10:36:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21051; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:36:11 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:31:47 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20721; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:31:36 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA11069; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:26:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 10:26:50 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: James Bush Cc: TP750 Subject: Re: Dock 2 availibility In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII James, thought you might be interested to know that CDW's Dock2 price was actually $50 MORE than IBM Direct. Thanks for the referal, though. On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, James Bush wrote: > don > > try cdw at 1-800-410-4239 ext. 7266 and that will be oren. i have found > him to be reliable and the prices can't be beat. he knows me only too > well ]]] > > On Sat, 21 Oct 1995, Don Whiteside wrote: > > > > > I'm considering dumping my desktop and getting a Dock 2. (I can just > > abotu swap even) Anyone suggest someplace where I can do better than the > > PC Direct $710? Any reason to believe the D2 will be offered at a lower > > > jamie > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 29 12:21:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25576; Sun, 29 Oct 95 12:21:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27064; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:20:46 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:18:35 -0500 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26761; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 12:18:32 -0500 Received: from [128.125.223.137] (comserv-f-65.usc.edu [128.125.223.137]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id JAA11357; Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:18:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 09:25:44 -0800 To: Duane Spellecacy , "TP750@cs.utk.edu" From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: MacLan Connect & Win '95 At 10:00 AM 10/28/95, Duane Spellecacy wrote: >I'm still here. We've been trying to get settled into our new home, so I >haven't been following too closely but I'm still following along... >Right now I only have the one system here at home running, so I don't have >MacLan Connect going anywhere. I'll get back to it though, as both my >kids have Mac's and I'm the only person with a printer. >There seems to be a lot of talk about running Win95 on the TP's, It works >for me. I have Win95 running on both of my desktop systems, home & work. >I also have it on the TP I use at work. Its a Duane, if/when you get MacLan Connect back up (after you settle in a bit), let me know if it works at all with Windows '95--I'm not about to screw things up by switching to Win '95 until I know. ;-) Also, I found life just a little less complicated by not using the MacLan printer sharing anymore. I just went ahead and bought an HP JetDirect EX box and made my HP LJ 4 w/ PS Level 2 into a true network printer. Prints beautifully from both Win for Workgroups as well as the Mac just as if it were native (of course, I'd have trouble printing from DOS-only without a direct parallel port connection, but since I don't do that anyway...). Some of my weirder graphics items didn't like going through the PC as a print server. I still find MacLan Connect a godsend for sharing files across platforms. Many thanks! ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 11:33:18 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17099; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:33:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04090; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:29:23 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:18:00 -0500 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02968; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:55 -0500 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA24034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@ciao.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device to that same card, but the cable has incompatible plugs... In other words, the card cable ends in a 2*25 plug which is only a little over 1 inch wide, while the other SCSI device has a standard 2*25 SCSI plug (about 2 inches wide). Does anybody know where I can get an adapter? I have tried different places, but usually I just get a blank stare, as if I'm asking for something absolutely ridiculous: "You want to... SHRINK a SCSI plug?!" Thanks for the input. Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 11:33:42 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17404; Mon, 30 Oct 95 11:33:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04434; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:45 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:21 -0500 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04358; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:19 -0500 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA26364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:16 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:31:13 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@ciao.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: Optimizing TP750Cs memory Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Greetings! I was trying to optimize the memory in my 750Cs, and I'm having some trouble using B000-B7FF (unused monochrome VGA memory). In plain DOS (MSDOS 6.00) I can include this into the EMM line in CONFIG.SYS and everything works fine. The moment I try to load Windows 3.1, however, the computer freezes (with a black screen, with a horizontal line running through the middle, and another close to the bottom). I have tried to change my SYSTEM.INI, with no success. I would appreciate any help on this. Also, I am about to install OS/2 Warp Connect over MSDOS_6.00/Win_3.1 (in parallel, actually). If anyone has any pearls of wisdom to share before I head into trouble, I would greatly appreciate. Thanks for everything, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 13:20:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24645; Mon, 30 Oct 95 13:20:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15492; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:17:34 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:14:54 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15096; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 13:14:46 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id KAA14731; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:14:25 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma014724; Mon Oct 30 10:14:22 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA03564; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:15:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 10:15:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199510301815.KAA03564@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, wyip@nicotra.com.sg From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: 760CD Keyboard Tilt Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu Heat transfer seminar: Lesson #1: Believe it or not, having the system lie flat on the desk, lap, table, etc. is a far better thermal configuration than having a small air gap under the system. Why? Well (unless there is a fan or "significant" free convection) conduction through a solid material (even plastic or wood) is a better cooling method than a small air gap under the system. Remember, "still air" is the best insulator on Earth (k=0.028 W/m*K). By comparison, plastic (another good insulator) has k=0.5 W/m*K (~200X more thermally conductive) That's where fiberglass insulation gets its "R-value", not from the fiberglass but from the air pockets the fiberglass forms. The moral of the story is: I doubt that there is enough convection under the system when the 755's legs are extended that provides the same amount of heat transport than when the system lies flat on a table or desk. Leave it flat, the system will run cooler. (This is probably why they designed the keyboard to tilt without lifting the system off the table) (Old Theses die hard...) Regards, -Ted At 02:22 PM 10/27/95 -0700, you wrote: >> When the cover is lifted the keyboard detaches itself away from >> the body of the computor at the screen end and is raised at an >> angle supported by two spring metal clips clearly visible from >> the outside. The base of the computor continues to lie flat on >> the table. When I saw this I wondered about the heat. In the >> case of the 75x series, when the two "legs" are extended the >> whole computor is slanted at an angle which provides a space for >> heat dissipation. Here there is no such space since the base >> remains horizontal. > > On my 750C, it gets pretty hot under there, but... > > I almost never use the little legs. Not that I don't like >them, but I just forget about them and don't go through the trouble >of opening them up. > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:11:10 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14698; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:11:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07543; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:06:40 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:04:01 -0500 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07237; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:03:55 -0500 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13925; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:52 -0500 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0077; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:44 -0500 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9510302203.AA0077@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: pm119@columbia.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Msg of Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:17:36 -0500 (EST) from Paulo Magalhaes Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device to that same card, but the cable has incompatible plugs... In other words, the card cable ends in a 2*25 plug which is only a little over 1 inch wide, while the other SCSI device has a standard 2*25 SCSI plug (about 2 inches wide). Does anybody know where I can get an adapter? I have tried different places, but usually I just get a blank stare, as if I'm asking for something absolutely ridiculous: "You want to... SHRINK a SCSI plug?!" The plug on the Panasonic adapter is a standard SCSI-2 plug, and is widely used on Sun and HP workstations. They are also used on some PC equipment, although not as commonly as the usual large "Centronics" plugs. I don't know specifically where to get an adapter, but they are available and perhaps knowing this information will help the vendors to identify what you need. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:26:53 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15892; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:26:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08075; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:13:03 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:12:31 -0500 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07983; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:12:25 -0500 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA04725 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:11:47 -0500 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510302211.RAA04725@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Newsgroup creation... To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:11:46 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Hi all... I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. How about... alt.thinkpad ? Any other ideas? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:33:27 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16361; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:33:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09508; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:23:11 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:22:32 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09394; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:22:28 -0500 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA14645 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:14 -0800 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA05724 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:12 -0800 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23941; Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:10 PST Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 14:22:10 PST From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510302222.AA23941@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 14:15:19 1995 > Return-Path: > Subject: Newsgroup creation... > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 413 > X-Lines: 17 > > Hi all... > > I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. > > There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has > been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. > Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list > also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. > > How about... > > alt.thinkpad or comp.thinkpad? -William Ng > > ? > > Any other ideas? > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:53:34 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17988; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:53:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12056; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:50:58 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:50:02 -0500 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11767; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:56 -0500 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA04799; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:49:39 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" To: "Derek V. Chan" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... In-Reply-To: <199510302211.RAA04725@kalypso.cybercom.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. > > How about... > > alt.thinkpad Well, I mailed Keith Moore when he offered to collect and summarize all opinions on the matter. Unfortunately he hasn't summarized. I would suggest comp.sys.laptops.ibm. If you use "thinkpad" the name is in danger of becoming outdated if IBM were to change the name for their notebooks. Same thing happened to the name of this mailing list. Search news.groups for the FAQs if you're really interested in doing this. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 17:53:39 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17997; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:53:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11698; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:48:44 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:47:57 -0500 Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11574; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:47:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199510302247.RAA11574@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5458; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:47:35 LCL Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5417; Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:47:35 LCL Received: from MITVMA (NJE origin DTURN@MITVMA) by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1550; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:48:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:42:51 EST From: "David G. Turnquist" Subject: Pen based Win 95 To: TP750@cs.utk.edu planning to upgrade, until I heard from IBM tech support that no changes to the Pen OS were contemplated. Is anyone running a 360P, PE, or 750P under Win 95 ith pen support? Thaks in advance. -Dave Turnquist dturn@mitvma.mit.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 18:03:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18880; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:03:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13024; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:01:56 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:00:55 -0500 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12843; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:00:52 -0500 Received: from [128.125.224.65] (comserv-h-65.usc.edu [128.125.224.65]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id PAA26379; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:00:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:08:15 -0800 To: Paulo Magalhaes , TP list From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI At 11:17 AM 10/30/95, Paulo Magalhaes wrote: >I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is >supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device >to that same card, but the cable has incompatible plugs... In other words, >the card cable ends in a 2*25 plug which is only a little over 1 inch >wide, while the other SCSI device has a standard 2*25 SCSI plug (about 2 >inches wide). Does anybody know where I can get an adapter? I have tried >different places, but usually I just get a blank stare, as if I'm asking >for something absolutely ridiculous: "You want to... SHRINK a SCSI plug?!" Try APS (Allied Peripheral Systems) in Missouri--Indepence, I think. They have an 800 number that I'm sure you can get from 800 information. If it exists, they probably have it. They are the SCSI Specialists. ;-) My guess is that the "smaller" plug you're talking about is actually a SCSI-2 plug--a pretty condense plug that is actually a 50-pin plug. The more "standard" SCSI plug is a huge 50-pin Centronics-type plug. There is also a less-common 25-pin "Mini-SCSI" plug that you find on the back of Macintosh machines (and some other places) which looks something like what would go into the parallel port of your PC (actually, its identical). ----- ____________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | WWW Hope Page: | USC Graduate School of Business (Fight on 'SC!)| http:// | "Did you really think you could call up the | www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle/| Devil and ask him to behave?" ---------------------------- -Fox Mulder on T.V.'s "X-Files" speaking to an occult practitioner From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 18:37:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21571; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:37:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15745; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:36:35 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:34:13 -0500 Received: from mom.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15524; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:34:06 -0500 Received: from ppp-jesse (webe-32.ppp.hooked.net [204.212.196.32]) by mom.hooked.net (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA12585; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:36:48 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:36:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199510302336.PAA12585@mom.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Win95 in a TP 355 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 05:05 PM 10/5/95 -0400, JBELA@cnsvax.albany.edu wrote: >Has anyone installed Win95 in a TP 355? Are there any problems? Yup, installed clean, no troubles. I was surprised to find the 355 doesn't have sound, my machine is a 755, and I thought they both were sound-enabled.. ____________________________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.hooked.net/bin/jesse.home After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 18:48:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21984; Mon, 30 Oct 95 18:48:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16491; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:43 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:05 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16421; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 18:46:02 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id PAA03693; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:46:00 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma003685; Mon Oct 30 15:45:56 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA03576; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:47:37 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:47:37 -0800 Message-Id: <199510302347.PAA03576@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Thanks for taking the lead on this! IMHO... comp.sys.ibm.thinkpad is the most appropriate name for the newsgroup given the current structure and naming conventions in the UseNet newsgroups related to IBM PCs. Whadda 'ya think? -Ted >> >> I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. >> >> There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has >> been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. >> Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list >> also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. >> >> How about... >> >> alt.thinkpad > >or >comp.thinkpad? > >-William Ng > >> >> ? >> >> Any other ideas? >> >> > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 19:06:01 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23187; Mon, 30 Oct 95 19:06:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17423; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:03:29 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:02:09 -0500 Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17272; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:02:05 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.32] (mac32.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA22416; Mon, 30 Oct 95 19:02:00 EST Message-Id: <9510310002.AA22416@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:17:13 +0100 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Newsgroup creation Am I the only one who's organization doesn't provide complete newsgroup access? We pay for access to many selected groups, but I cannot make submissions (ie read only). ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 --------------------------- From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 20:36:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29889; Mon, 30 Oct 95 20:36:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24389; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:36:00 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:32:26 -0500 Received: from baijuyi by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23834; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:31:58 -0500 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by baijuyi (8.6.9/8.6.9/CNS-3.5) id JAA21438 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:28:06 +0800 From: Kevin Cheong Message-Id: <199510310128.JAA21438@baijuyi> Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI (fwd) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:28:06 +0800 (WAUST) Reply-To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Priority: normal Os: AIX 2 3 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23alpha2] Content-Type: text ``..Chris Hanson writes, ` Date: Mon, 30 Oct 95 17:03:44 -0500 ` Subject: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI ` ` I have a CD-ROM (see subject line) which came with a PCMCIA card which is ` supposed to be a SCSI card. Now, I would like to plug another SCSI device ` ` The plug on the Panasonic adapter is a standard SCSI-2 plug, and is ` widely used on Sun and HP workstations. They are also used on some PC ` equipment, although not as commonly as the usual large "Centronics" ` plugs. Anyone tried using this SCSI card from Panasonic for other SCSI peripherals? I thought I was told it works only for the KXL-D720. __________________________________________________________________ kevin cheong mlp program iss nus From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 00:54:59 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17461; Tue, 31 Oct 95 00:49:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12087; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:48:50 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:45:37 -0500 Received: from armon.rain.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11893; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:45:25 -0500 Received: by armon.rain.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0tA9Vf-000170C; Mon, 30 Oct 95 21:45 PST Message-Id: From: mehdi@armon.rain.com (Mehdi Attaran) Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI (fwd) To: kevin@iss.nus.sg Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:45:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510310128.JAA21438@baijuyi> from "Kevin Cheong" at Oct 31, 95 09:28:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text > Anyone tried using this SCSI card from Panasonic for other SCSI peripherals? > I thought I was told it works only for the KXL-D720. I've tried it with a NEC 3Xe drive (an external CD-ROM drive) and it works fine. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mehdi Attaran mehdi@armon.rain.com ..!uunet!m2xenix!armon!mehdi | | Data: (503) 642-3270 Voice: (503) 649-0719 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 08:32:51 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21198; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:32:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16536; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:32:07 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:27:43 -0500 Received: from shrsys.hslc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16094; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:27:36 -0500 Received: by shrsys.hslc.org (MX V4.1 AXP) id 41; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:26:59 EST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:26:58 EST From: "Dennis J. Gormley" To: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Message-Id: <00998AFB.7DD22ACE.41@shrsys.hslc.org> Subject: Re: Newsgroup creation... Casting a vote for comp.thinkpad. My newsfeed doesn't supply alt. groups. I'd hate to miss the valuable information I always get from these postings! \ Dennis J. Gormley Tel: (215) 222-1532 \\ Operations Manager Fax: (215) 222-0416 \\\\ Health Sciences Libraries Consortium Int: gormley@hslc.org \\\\\\ 3600 Market Street, Suite 550 H S L C Philadelphia, PA 19104-2646 =-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-==-=-=-= Original message(s) follow: > From: MX%"wmng@berlioz.nsc.com" 30-OCT-1995 18:23:04.72 > Subj: Re: Newsgroup creation... > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 30 14:15:19 1995 > > Return-Path: > > Subject: Newsgroup creation... > > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > > Content-Type> : > text> > > Content-Length: 413 > > X-Lines: 17 > > > > Hi all... > > > > I'm going to look into starting a Thinkpad group on the newsnet. > > > > There are really a lot of users of Thinkpads now, and while this list has > > been useful, I think that the volume really has gotten quite cumbersome. > > Of course, this doesn't mean that we don't have to have a mailing list > > also. Yet, I think that a newsgroup really seems long overdue. > > > > How about... > > > > alt.thinkpad > > or > comp.thinkpad? > > -William Ng > > > > > ? > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 08:52:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22780; Tue, 31 Oct 95 08:52:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18132; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:51:15 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:30 -0500 Received: from cs.brown.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17994; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:26 -0500 Received: from jones.cs.brown.edu (jones.cs.brown.edu [128.148.38.144]) by cs.brown.edu (8.6.10/Bullwinkle1.1) with ESMTP id IAA00851 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:18 -0500 From: Sridhar Ramaswamy Received: (sr@localhost) by jones.cs.brown.edu (8.6.9/BrownCS1.0) id IAA07082 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 08:50:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199510311350.IAA07082@jones.cs.brown.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: display adapter on dock II Has anyone had any experience with installing a display adapter board on the thinkpad dock ii? I am not too thrilled with the board on the thinkpad when it is driving an external monitor and would like to do better. More specifically, how would I recognize it from linux? Many thanks, --Sridhar From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 09:21:37 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23983; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:21:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20410; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:19:37 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:18:12 -0500 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20176; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:18:10 -0500 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA24213; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:30:58 EST Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18951; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:12:53 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311412.AA18951@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id 393E6F5469CD6E9885256266004DD17A; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:12:53 EST To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 31 Oct 95 9:11:54 EST Subject: less expensive memory for 760? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Are there less expensive 3rd party memory addons for the 760 series? PC Direct wants $1200 for the extra 16MB -: Why does laptop memory always seem to stay about 2X+ the cost of desktop memory? thanks, ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 09:37:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25355; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:37:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21480; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:31:14 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:29:37 -0500 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21088; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:29:33 -0500 Received: from seminole.gate.net (jbush@seminole.gate.net [199.227.0.14]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA53047; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:29:30 -0500 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by seminole.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA36370; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:25:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 09:25:35 -0500 (EST) From: James Bush To: Kenneth Yee Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: less expensive memory for 760? In-Reply-To: <9510311412.AA18951@internet1.lotus.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII that price is outrageous. i just paid that for 32 megs. 16 megs should be about $600, at least for a 755/ call cdw at 1-800-410-4239 and then ext. 7266. i have dealt with oren hartman for a long time, is honest and knowledgeable. best jamie ************************************************* On 31 Oct 1995, Kenneth Yee wrote: > Are there less expensive 3rd party memory addons for > the 760 series? PC Direct wants $1200 for the extra > 16MB -: > Why does laptop memory always seem to stay about > 2X+ the cost of desktop memory? > > thanks, > > ken > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:26:16 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03467; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:26:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01557; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:18:43 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:57 -0500 Received: from sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01188; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:51 -0500 Received: by sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu id AA07659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for TP list ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:36 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu To: TP list Subject: NO newsgroup Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just casting a vote AGAINST a newsgroup. -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:29:46 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03494; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:29:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01555; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:18:43 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:17:38 -0500 Received: from sparky by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01380; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:17:32 -0500 Received: from feesh.isii.com by sparky (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02933; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:09:49 +0500 Received: by feesh.isii.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/(1.0sos) id AA0331; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:06:41 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311706.AA0331@feesh.isii.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:06:41 -0500 From: Gene Van Sant Subject: usenet group To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: gene@sparky.isii.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 You'll have to make use of the hierarchy that is already there in order to get voted in. i.e. comp.sys.ibm.tp750 comp.sys.laptops.tp750 comp.sys.thinkpad.750 et cetera Tschuess ... gene@isii.com IS International inc., Boca Raton, Florida Gene Van Sant Work Ph. (407) 994 4373 Home: (407) 725 8788 http://www.isii.com/~gene Work FAX (407) 994 8374 Home: (407) 361 8260 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:37:30 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04275; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:37:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02604; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:29:31 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:24:01 -0500 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02033; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:51 -0500 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA00304; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:22 -0500 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510311623.LAA00304@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: Re: NO newsgroup To: pm119@columbia.edu (Paulo Magalhaes) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:23:22 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Paulo Magalhaes" at Oct 31, 95 11:15:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Just wanted to reiterate... All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to die. This will just give more options. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:40:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04305; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:40:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03789; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:37:47 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:29 -0500 Received: from lotus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03462; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:26 -0500 Received: from internet1.lotus.com (crd.lotus.com) by lotus.com (4.1/SMI-4.10801.1994) id AA01024; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:49:21 EST Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28087; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:31:14 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311631.AA28087@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.02 Beta) id 05779020A30DB60F85256266005AE23A; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:31:14 EST To: tp750 From: Kenneth Yee Date: 31 Oct 95 11:33:48 EST Subject: Win95 DirectX support on Thinkpads? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Another simple question. Has anyone tried out MS's Game SDK on the Thinkpads? Just wondering if the video drivers have DirectDraw support, etc. ken From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 11:41:24 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04315; Tue, 31 Oct 95 11:41:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03816; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:37:52 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:22 -0500 Received: from kalypso.cybercom.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03447; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:18 -0500 Received: (from dchan@localhost) by kalypso.cybercom.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA02417 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:10 -0500 From: "Derek V. Chan" Message-Id: <199510311636.LAA02417@kalypso.cybercom.net> Subject: comp.sys.laptops.ibm To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:36:08 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text How's that for a name? Someone mentioned it, and I agree that I think that it should be .ibm rather than .thinkpad, since the name might change in the futre (e.g. this list...). Ideas? Anyone have an idea on what the proposal should look like? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:00:26 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06519; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:00:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06408; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:58:32 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:45 -0500 Received: from hepth.cornell.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06307; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:41 -0500 From: "Lew Jansen" Received: by hepth.cornell.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/2.0) id AA29208; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9510311657.AA29208@hepth.cornell.edu> Subject: Re: comp.sys.laptops.ibm To: dchan@cybercom.net (Derek V. Chan) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:57:45 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199510311636.LAA02417@kalypso.cybercom.net> from "Derek V. Chan" at Oct 31, 95 11:36:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text > Someone mentioned it, and I agree that I think that it should be .ibm > rather than .thinkpad, since the name might change in the futre (e.g. > this list...). The potential problem is that many people will think ".ibm" means pc-clone, (as opposed to Mac) and not realize that it means the group is for the discussion of "true-Blue" laptops. Thus, much of the comp.sys.laptops traffic will probably either shift or be crossposted. How about: comp.sys.laptops.ibm.true-blue.that-means-thinkpad-or-whatever-they-change-the-name-to.and.no-forsale-postings-you-ninny! Would that get the point across? :) Seriously though, I don't see IBM ditching the Thinkpad name anytime soon, as there's a lot of equity in that name. It'd be stupid to throw away the goodwill and recognition value of the name... (and IBM has *never* done anything stupid, right? :) :) :) I'll cast my "vote" for comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad Whomever wants to get it started should check out the various news.* groups for the FAQ on how to get a RFV going (Request For Votes) -- and be sure to get everyone on the mailing list to cast their vote. If the other thinkpad list(s) are still active, be sure to get their input and support as well. -- Lew Jansen Systems Manager, High Energy Physics Theory lrj@hepth.cornell.edu 233 Newman Lab, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853 From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:08:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07075; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:08:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07207; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:06:11 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:20 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06948; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:09 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA12546; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: Chris Hanson Cc: pm119@columbia.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D720 / SCSI In-Reply-To: <9510302203.AA0077@omerie.ai.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I don't know specifically where to get an adapter, but they are > available and perhaps knowing this information will help the vendors > to identify what you need. Male centronics <--> Female SCSI 2 converters can be had from Cables America, who can be found in the Computer Shopper ads. They're about $35, and my advice is (having done exactly what is being talked about here) is that you order a SCSI extention cable while you're at it, as the cord on that panasonic cable is not terribly long. Be careful not to get the adaptor desigfned to go on SCSI cards that have a female scsi 2 plug in order to get a centronics female plug. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:23:45 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08225; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:23:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08767; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:19:18 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:17:43 -0500 Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08596; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:17:40 -0500 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:16:11 EST Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 95 13:20:46 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 31 Oct 95 13:20:17 EST From: "Guy Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:20:13 EST Subject: Re: usenet group Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Message-Id: > You'll have to make use of the hierarchy that is already there > in order to get voted in. i.e. > > comp.sys.ibm.tp750 > comp.sys.laptops.tp750 > comp.sys.thinkpad.750 > et cetera I am not sure that the volume on this list merits a newsgroup just yet. How many are subscribed to date? I am sure that the popularity of ThinkPads would make for a well used newsgroup, but I like the intimacy now. Another note: IBM's use of "ThinkPad" dates at least to the 1960's when little note pads emblazened with "Think" in gold letters were doled out. I sincerely doubt that the name would change any time soon. The number designation, as is already apparent with this group, can quickly become dated. Guy W. Farrell Vox: (860)486-0964 my desk Network Coordinator, Postmaster (860)486-5000 front desk The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 toll-free U-Box 206 Fax: (860)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Computer Support for Institutional Advancement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 12:39:31 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09095; Tue, 31 Oct 95 12:39:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09700; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:27:29 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:44 -0500 Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09578; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:40 -0500 Received: by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu id AA23274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:26:19 -0500 (EST) From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Sender: pm119@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu To: "Derek V. Chan" Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: <199510311623.LAA00304@kalypso.cybercom.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > Just wanted to reiterate... > > All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to > die. This will just give more options. Just wanted to reiterate, too... Newsgroup = more background noise Newsgroup = less relevant information Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this list, thank you very much. I rest my case. What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 13:06:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12053; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:06:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11807; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:58:42 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:56:45 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11648; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:56:38 -0500 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA24333 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:56:33 -0800 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA27932 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:56:32 -0800 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19461; Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:53:27 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 09:53:27 PST From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9510311753.AA19461@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: newsgroup name I think whatever the name of the newsgroup may be, it is cruical to tag the word "thinkpad" or anything equivalent to differeniate it >from any other laptop groups. Since this is a newsgroup delicated to ibm tp. This should help in eliminating certain irrevalent traffic. At least this is what I want. At the moment I could not think of anything better than tagging the word "thinkpad". Even if in the future the word "thinkpad" change, I think people should be able to recognize what "thinkpad" is. It is like what people today think pc is ibm compatible. So I vote for the following: comp.thinkpad comp.sys.thinkpad comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 13:37:20 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14802; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:37:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14066; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:32:54 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:45 -0500 Received: from tequesta.gate.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13892; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:37 -0500 Received: from hopi.gate.net (jbush@hopi.gate.net [199.227.0.13]) by tequesta.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA15738 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:30:23 -0500 Received: (from jbush@localhost) by hopi.gate.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA56103; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:24:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: James Bush To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: newsgroup name In-Reply-To: <9510311753.AA19461@berlioz.nsc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I VOTE AN EMPHATIC NO !!!!! jamie From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 13:53:47 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16684; Tue, 31 Oct 95 13:53:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15057; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:46:21 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:45:24 -0500 Received: from wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14849; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:45:11 -0500 Received: from qmgate (qmgate.maplesoft.on.ca) by wildecho.maplesoft.on.ca with SMTP id AA08267 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:44:41 -0500 Message-Id: Date: 31 Oct 1995 13:13:55 -0800 From: "Edmond Bourne" Subject: Re: NO newsgroup To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP/QM 3.0.0 I disagree with Paulo. Newsgroups are definitely the way to go. They are a structured way of reading messages from a large group of people. A mailing list only works when there are low volumes. There is absolutely no difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list in terms of signal to noise ratio. There is if the newsgroup is moderated, but I would be against moderating any thinkpad newsgroup. As to the problems of certain people not being able to read a newsgroup when they can get a mailing list, thats not a problem at all. I used to have that problem about 5 years ago when I used to have an account with no news access. It was easily corrected by having someone who did have news access just send all the messages in certain newsgroups via an automated script to a digest that I recieved once a day via email. I don't see why the mailing list couldn't contiue to that very thing for those who are deprived of news access. cheers ed -------------------------------------- Date: 10/31/95 12:49 PM To: Edmond Bourne From: Paulo Magalhaes On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > Just wanted to reiterate... > > All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to > die. This will just give more options. Just wanted to reiterate, too... Newsgroup = more background noise Newsgroup = less relevant information Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this list, thank you very much. I rest my case. What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 14:17:50 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19437; Tue, 31 Oct 95 14:17:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17171; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:11:04 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:09:26 -0500 Received: from polaris.cv.nrao.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16908; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:09:08 -0500 Received: by polaris.cv.nrao.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA120996; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:08:58 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:08:58 -0500 From: awootten@polaris.cv.nrao.edu (Al Wootten) Message-Id: <9510311908.AA120996@polaris.cv.nrao.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: References: <199510311623.LAA00304@kalypso.cybercom.net> Paulo Magalhaes writes: > Just wanted to reiterate, too... > Newsgroup = more background noise > Newsgroup = less relevant information > Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people Exactly. The orchids list went through this same discussion. A newsgroup was created and not mirrored to the list. The list discussion remains useful and, usually, focussed. The newsgroup is generally noisy and irrlevant. Clear skies, Al TP-355Cs +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Alwyn Wootten (http://www.cv.nrao.edu/~awootten/) | | Astronomer, National Radio Astronomy Observatory | | 520 Edgemont Road, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475, USA| | (804)-296-0329 voice Let's build The Millimeter Array| | (804)-296-0278 FAX {> {> {> {> | +------------------------------^-----^-----^-----^------+ From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 15:48:38 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27367; Tue, 31 Oct 95 15:48:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26445; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:44:51 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:41:25 -0500 Received: from park.interport.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26091; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:41:21 -0500 Received: from interport.net (madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id PAA09477 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:41:18 -0500 Received: (from alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) id PAA24601; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:41:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:41:13 -0500 (EST) From: aoster Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Paulo Magalhaes wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: > > Just wanted to reiterate... > > > > All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to > > die. This will just give more options. > > Just wanted to reiterate, too... > Newsgroup = more background noise > Newsgroup = less relevant information > Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people > And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this > list, thank you very much. > I rest my case. > > What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! I totally agree. And if anything, mirror the list to the newsgroup but not vice versa. http://www.interport.net/~alster/ alster@mindvox.phantom.com\\interport.net From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 16:25:00 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29890; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:25:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28215; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:03:35 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:02:49 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28010; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:02:43 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id NAA22625; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:02:22 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma022607; Tue Oct 31 13:02:14 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA03611; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:04:03 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:04:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199510312104.NAA03611@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kenneth Yee From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: less expensive memory for 760? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu I have a 32MB memory card for my 755CDV from "GoldenRAM" part # M-66G5110 and paid about $1450 for it. It works fine. I believe that the 16MB version can be had for less than $800. -Ted At 09:11 AM 10/31/95 EST, you wrote: >Are there less expensive 3rd party memory addons for >the 760 series? PC Direct wants $1200 for the extra >16MB -: >Why does laptop memory always seem to stay about >2X+ the cost of desktop memory? > > thanks, > > ken > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 16:32:03 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00089; Tue, 31 Oct 95 16:32:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29587; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:19:03 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:18:01 -0500 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29399; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:17:52 -0500 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id NAA25223; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:17:18 -0800 Received: from cds8962.cadence.com(158.140.56.57) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma025204; Tue Oct 31 13:17:11 1995 Received: from pctedf.cadence.com (pctedf.cadence.com [158.140.56.21]) by cds8962.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA03615; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:18:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:18:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199510312118.NAA03615@cds8962.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: tedf@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Edmond Bourne" , tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Ted Frederick Subject: Re: YES newsgroup!!! I'd have to agree with Ed. The newsgroups allow a broader audience, and although there may be more 'irrelevant' content, there will be a proportional increase in very RELEVANT information that can be utilized without flooding people's mailboxes. We may also want to consider .binaries and .forsale sub-groups to help direct misguided posters. I don't buy the argument that UseNet news is less available than e-mail. Any and all corporations and internet service providers allow some sort of UseNet access... certainly within the comp.sys domain, which I believe is where the name of the newsgroup is headed. Move forward with the newsgroup and let me know how I can assist. Regards, -Ted At 01:13 PM 10/31/95 -0800, you wrote: > >I disagree with Paulo. Newsgroups are definitely the way to go. They are a >structured way of reading messages from a large group of people. A mailing >list only works when there are low volumes. There is absolutely no >difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list in terms of signal to noise >ratio. There is if the newsgroup is moderated, but I would be against >moderating any thinkpad newsgroup. As to the problems of certain people not >being able to read a newsgroup when they can get a mailing list, thats not a >problem at all. I used to have that problem about 5 years ago when I used to >have an account with no news access. It was easily corrected by having >someone who did have news access just send all the messages in certain >newsgroups via an automated script to a digest that I recieved once a day via >email. I don't see why the mailing list couldn't contiue to that very thing >for those who are deprived of news access. > >cheers >ed > >-------------------------------------- >Date: 10/31/95 12:49 PM >To: Edmond Bourne >From: Paulo Magalhaes >On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Derek V. Chan wrote: >> Just wanted to reiterate... >> >> All because there's a newsgroup doesn't mean that the mailing list has to >> die. This will just give more options. > >Just wanted to reiterate, too... >Newsgroup = more background noise >Newsgroup = less relevant information >Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people >And, for these very reasons, I DON'T want the newsgroup mirrored on this >list, thank you very much. >I rest my case. > >What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! > >-- >Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA >voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu > > > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 17:17:17 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06318; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:17:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02907; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:49:46 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:47:48 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02636; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:47:38 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07314; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:48:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:48:34 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: Lew Jansen Cc: "Derek V. Chan" , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: comp.sys.laptops.ibm In-Reply-To: <9510311657.AA29208@hepth.cornell.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Lew Jansen wrote: > How about: > > comp.sys.laptops.ibm.true-blue.that-means-thinkpad-or-whatever-they-change-the-name-to.and.no-forsale-postings-you-ninny! > > Would that get the point across? :) Usenet names need to be 14 characters per token, sorry. ) I can't imagine this is going to be improved by inviting every usenet twinkie on the planet to participate. I think this is going to end up just like the FreeBSD situation, where the newsgroup is full of trivial crap and chatter and all the real answers are on the mailing list. I think readers who are annoyed by the traffic need to a) get a mail source where you don't pay by the message and 2) get a mail filter or folder-er. (Elm or Procmail or one of a bazillion winsock mail clients) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 17:24:05 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07394; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:24:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04184; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:01:09 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:00:18 -0500 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04011; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:00:12 -0500 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA25278; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:00:07 -0800 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 14:00:07 -0800 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199510312200.OAA25278@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Internal Modem - International Use - SUMMARY Thank you to everyone who responded! This list is great. :) My original question(s): > Anyways, the manual for the 701 modem says "this can only be used in the > US and Canada" - it's a standard RJ11 jack. This sent a shiver through me - > after all, one of the selling points of the machine (for me) was the modem. > > So, > (a) does anyone know why the manual says this? Is it just to CYA? > (b) has anyone used one of these modems abroad? Or can give a > justifiable reason why I should plug into the overseas network without > such experience? > (c) If directly plugging into the phone line isn't a good idea, can > I buy any adapters (other than a new modem :)? The general consensus is that using the modem outside the US and Canada is *not* a problem, except for getting a converter between the RJ11 and the local telephone connector (or use an acoustic coupler, I suppose). Also, to use the modem, you may need to change the initialization and/or dial string (to use pulse instead of tone) to make it work. There are definite success reports from South Africa, England, and Israel. One person reported limited success in Singapore (it did not recognize the "engage" tone - I am guessing that this means the dialtone??) In general, it appears that technical difficulties are not the problem - legal ones are. The internal modem is not approved for overseas telcos, which could potentially lead to my being assessed large fines. I'm thinking maybe I should dial in from pay phones. :) Anyways, we'll see how brave I am. Thanks to Zvi Meir Kedem, Martin Jung, Alden Klovdahl, Wilson Yip, Krupnik Kenny, John Purnell, Lawrence Chiu, and Timothy Sipples for this information. -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 18:16:28 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14249; Tue, 31 Oct 95 18:16:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10631; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:14:52 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:35 -0500 Received: from tuna.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10448; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:32 -0500 Received: (from jokim@localhost) by tuna.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA07896; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:00 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" To: Paulo Magalhaes Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1) Anyone who wants to propose a new thinkpad newsgroup should read news.groups for a few weeks. Afterwards, if you still feel up to it, you can read through the FAQs there on how to write/submit an RFD, and request a vote-taker for the CFV. 2) All this discussion about whether to have a newsgroup or not is supposed to take place in news.groups after the RFD has been posted. This mailing list represents a subset of all interested Thinkpad users (most notably, people who don't like mailing lists are missing) so we're not going to get an accurate idea of who likes what from discussion here. 3) How about comp.sys.laptops.ibm-thinkpad? Although given the argument that IBM has been using the term "Thinkpad" for several decades, I could live with c.s.l.thinkpad. (I'm the one who proposed c.s.l.ibm) 4) On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Paulo Magalhaes wrote: > Just wanted to reiterate, too... > Newsgroup = more background noise > Newsgroup = less relevant information Newsgroup = *more* relevant information, even more noise (a lower S/N ratio), but much better tools for searching and sorting threads. > Newsgroup = unavailable to certain people Since there's no easy-to-access database of all mailing lists in existence, my guess is that a comp.sys.laptops.thinkpad newsgroup would be "available" to at least an order of magnitude more people than this mailing list. I used to post every week or so in c.s.l that this list existed, but it got to be a hassle saying the same thing over and over. A lot of TP75x owners there don't know this list exists. > What's the obsession with newsgroups anyway?!?! Well, first thing I'd do is put Win95, NT, and TP755 in a kill file. I'd also like to be able to kill threads (like this one) with one keystoke instead of deleting/skipping them message by message. 5) If my opinion is worth anything :), this mailing list was started by Sean Chou when I joked with him about putting together an Internet TP750 support group. It just turned/will turn 2 years old (depending on what event you consider the "birth" of this list). But I vote for a newsgroup. 6) I can see why Keith wanted us to email him comments on the idea so he could summarize. This thread is killing the S/N ratio here. ___________________________________________________________________________ John H. Kim "A common mistake that people make when trying to design jokim@mit.edu something completely foolproof is to underestimate the jokim@tuna.mit.edu ingenuity of complete fools." -- Douglas Adams From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 19:02:04 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21469; Tue, 31 Oct 95 19:02:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03344; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:52:19 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:03 -0500 Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03062; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:00 -0500 Received: (from dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA07685; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 16:51:41 -0500 (EST) From: Don Whiteside To: Edmond Bourne Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 31 Oct 1995, Edmond Bourne wrote: > There is absolutely no > difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list in terms of signal to noise > ratio. Wahahahahahah. This is the funniest thing I have ever read. Don't read many newsgroups, do you? If you really want to have an informed opinion on this issue, go read comp.os.unix.freebsd.misc and subscribe to _all five_ general access FreeBSD mailing lists. The s/n ratio is lower on the mailing lists, which _includes_ a "chat" mailing list. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 20:11:21 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25970; Tue, 31 Oct 95 20:11:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17734; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:10:24 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:08:39 -0500 Received: from gatekeeper.nsc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17553; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:08:31 -0500 Received: from nsc.nsc.com by gatekeeper.nsc.com (5.65/fma-120691) with SMTP; id AA17801 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:08:21 -0800 Received: from berlioz.nsc.com by nsc.nsc.com (5.65/1.34) with SMTP id AA18725 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:08:20 -0800 Received: from maradona.nsc.com by berlioz.nsc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04686; Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:03:48 PST Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 17:03:48 PST From: wmng@berlioz.nsc.com (William Ng) Message-Id: <9511010103.AA04686@berlioz.nsc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: SCSI backup Hello, Here is a question in the mist of the newsgroup creation debate: I am buying a scsi adaptor for a cdrom. The scsi adaptor is an adaptec APA-1460 pcmcia scsi2 adaptor. Is it possible to use this adaptor with a scsi tape drive used on Sun workstations to do backup for OS/2 and Windows (FAT)? I am not talking about backing up over the network. I am thinking of unplugging a 8mm, 2GByte capacity tape drive which is tied to a Sun workstation and then plug it into the pcmcia adaptor. If this is doable, what software should I get? Thanks. -William Ng From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 20:33:55 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27769; Tue, 31 Oct 95 20:33:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19594; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:54 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:15 -0500 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19507; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:12 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA17796; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:32:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199511010132.UAA17796@wilma.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: "John H. Kim" Cc: Paulo Magalhaes , tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NO newsgroup In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:12:00 EST." Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:31:57 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > 6) I can see why Keith wanted us to email him comments on the idea so > he could summarize. This thread is killing the S/N ratio here. yes, that's why. unfortunately I'm swamped and the comments people submitted earlier are buried in my ~10000 unfiled messages in my inbox (I keep pushing exmh's limit of 9999 messages/folder). My best recollection is that respondents were about evenly split for/against a newsgroup. It does seem like people would rather discuss how to run the list than anything else... Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 31 20:39:08 1995 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28042; Tue, 31 Oct 95 20:39:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19950; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:37:44 -0500 Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.3); Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:37:03 -0500 Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19873; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:36:55 -0500 From: Keith Moore Received: by wilma.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA18176; Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:36:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 20:36:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199511010136.UAA18176@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp750 digest Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Just a note to say that I now have a primitive digestifier up and running. Basically, once a day it sends out a single message containing every message posted to tp750 in the past 24 hours. The digest is in MIME format but highly compatible with most other digest formats (messages are separated by lines of 30 "-" characters, etc.) I'm still twiddling it. But if you want to be on the bleeding edge, send mail to tp750-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu and ask to be added to the digest or switched from the list to the digest. Keith p.s. one condition of being on the digest list ... you have to agree to edit your subject lines when you reply, so the replies don't have a subject line of "Re: tp750 digest of ..."