From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 01:10:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA126984604; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 01:10:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15984; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 01:08:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 00:58:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15458; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 00:58:09 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15451; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 00:58:04 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-j-19.usc.edu [128.125.224.163]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA19626 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960901045824.006e7614@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 21:58:24 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Sound--560 vs. 701 One more thing I forgot to include in my "critique": The 701 has a speaker that, quite frankly, I thought sounded very good (for a single speaker). The quality is quite excellent. The 560? Adequate. Not particularly good, but not too horrible either. Well, actually it sounds kinda "tinney". Needs more bass capability & depth. At any rate, it doesn't bother me too much. I didn't by a stereo, I bought a computer. In general, I've found sound on computers to be little more than cutesy crap with little real/necessary application. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 06:31:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA162333880; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:31:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14697; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:30:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:24:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14201; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:24:21 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14184; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:24:03 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA15166 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA56088; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:24:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 06:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Missing mwave for win95 Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII summary: Can someone explain where all my Mwave programs went in win95 after I installed the 2.11 drivers? Long story: Ok, my father was given a 755CD from his office and so I've been playing with it all weekend. It has windows 95 on it and the mwave modem was only at 14.4 and it was giving me lots of problems crashing when playing sound files so I figured it would be a good idea to upgrade the drivers. I installed the system disk 1.43 and the 2 disks of mwave 95 v2.11 and now the sound system control is gone and I have no audio at all now. Do I need more disks or did I do something wrong? Also the CD drive doesn't really pop out much, sometimes i have to grasp at the edges of it to pull it out after i press the blue button, is it supposed to be like that? Switching beetween the floppy and the CDROM is a real pain, I hope they improved that in the later models. TIA Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 12:49:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA202166552; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:49:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08950; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:47:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:42:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08621; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:42:14 -0400 Received: from golden.net (root@[199.166.210.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08615; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:42:11 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (root@swo-117.golden.org [199.166.210.117]) by golden.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA06876 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 12:41:51 -0400 Sender: root@golden.net Message-Id: <3229BCC3.7CA339D1@golden.net> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 12:43:36 -0400 From: Boris X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XFree86 and 701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I was just wondering if it was possible to get X running on the 701 with 16 bpp? I think it's a no :), but worth asking. Pictures look terrible in WWW (netscape), thats why I'm interested in 16 bpp. Incidentally if I use XV on the same picture and select 8-bpp, it looks much better than with netscape, even with the -instal option. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 16:44:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA228420662; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:44:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22956; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:43:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:37:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22619; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:37:41 -0400 Received: from ig.cs.utk.edu (IG.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.149]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22534; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:37:31 -0400 Received: from localhost by ig.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.10/2.8c-UTK) id QAA12463; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 16:37:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199609012037.QAA12463@ig.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:02 EDT." <9608312135.AA11395@nile.gnat.com> Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 16:37:26 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > vacation programs should not respond to a properly formatted mailing > list header, did anyone check to figure out if the problem is Jim,s or > the mailing lists's. what do you mean by properly formatted? unfortunately, there's no standards in this area to indicate what headers vacation programs should look for, or what lists should do to the headers of messages they forward to list members. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 18:15:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA238346135; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:15:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29990; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:14:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:12:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29692; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:12:04 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29686; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:12:02 -0400 Received: from dns.shadow.net (ppp-mia1-55.bridge.net [204.253.4.55]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA01781 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 18:11:52 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960901220956.006d1fd8@bridge.net> X-Sender: dwhite@bridge.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:09:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: My DockII is up for sale At 09:45 PM 8/25/96 -0400, Don Whiteside wrote: >I decided to put my Dock II up for sale. Not being in the mood for 3847387 >messages on what a Right Price is, I decided to just list it at AuctionWeb >with an initial asking bid of $450. If you think that's reasonable, go bid >on it - http://www.ebay.com/aw/item.cgi?item=tpv2802 is the direct URL. I've >included my quickcharger/conditioner in the deal. > >If a listmember buys it, I'll throw in a paperweight cleverly disguised as a >750 battery. *grin* The auction ends tonight at 630pm Pacific time, so anyone who is interested should act now. I won't bother y'all again. We now end this commercial interruption... Donald Alan Whiteside "I like you. You're trouble." - Draal, who clearly shares my taste in women. "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 19:34:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA246840871; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:34:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04492; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:33:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:29:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04139; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:29:12 -0400 Received: from ra.isisnet.com (root@ra.isisnet.com [199.45.83.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04127; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 19:29:07 -0400 Received: from robs.isisnet.com by ra.isisnet.com (8.7.5/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27898; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:25:28 -0300 (ADT) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:25:28 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <199609012325.UAA27898@ra.isisnet.com> X-Sender: robsteve@isisnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Joshua Hosseinof , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert G. Stevens" Subject: Re: Missing mwave for win95 At 06:24 01/09/96 -0400, Joshua Hosseinof wrote: >summary: Can someone explain where all my Mwave programs went in win95 >after I installed the 2.11 drivers? > >Long story: Ok, my father was given a 755CD from his office and so I've >been playing with it all weekend. It has windows 95 on it and the mwave >modem was only at 14.4 and it was giving me lots of problems crashing >when playing sound files so I figured it would be a good idea to upgrade >the drivers. I installed the system disk 1.43 and the 2 disks of mwave 95 >v2.11 and now the sound system control is gone and I have no audio at all >now. Do I need more disks or did I do something wrong? > >Also the CD drive doesn't really pop out much, sometimes i have to grasp >at the edges of it to pull it out after i press the blue button, is it >supposed to be like that? Switching beetween the floppy and the CDROM is >a real pain, I hope they improved that in the later models. > >TIA > >Josh Hosseinof >hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > > > Josh: When installing the Win95 version of the Mwave software, you must first install the new dos drivers. All of these drivers are on the IBM Internet site. Regards Robert Stevens From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 20:45:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA254915131; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:45:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08600; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:44:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08401; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:41:57 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08395; Sun, 1 Sep 1996 20:41:52 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22803; Sun, 1 Sep 96 20:35:03 EDT Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 20:35:03 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609020035.AA22803@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! Cc: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu there is something close to a standard, it seems to work pretty much all the time .... -- From moore@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 1 16:34 EDT 1996 X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: axel.hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de, thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: could someone unsubscribe jim melton?! Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 16:37:26 -0400 > vacation programs should not respond to a properly formatted mailing > list header, did anyone check to figure out if the problem is Jim,s or > the mailing lists's. what do you mean by properly formatted? unfortunately, there's no standards in this area to indicate what headers vacation programs should look for, or what lists should do to the headers of messages they forward to list members. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 00:26:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA281398410; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:26:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23184; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:25:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:22:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22945; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:22:06 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22939; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:22:02 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id AAA18075; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:23:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 00:23:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Boris Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 and 701 In-Reply-To: <3229BCC3.7CA339D1@golden.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Boris wrote: > I was just wondering if it was possible to get X running on the 701 > with 16 bpp? I think it's a no :), but worth asking. Included below is my answer from July (which includes another answer >from June :). > Pictures look terrible in WWW (netscape), thats why I'm interested in 16 > bpp. > > Incidentally if I use XV on the same picture and select 8-bpp, it looks > much better than with netscape, even with the -instal option. XV modifies the colormap to best fit the picture. Netscape takes over the colormap, but uses the same map (some standard distribution of the entire color space) for all pictures. It's pathetic. Lots of people have complained about this, but Netscape doesn't seem to want to fix it. The reason is supposed to be because Netscape might have to display more than one picture at a time. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 11:48:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA107009301; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:48:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17141; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:47:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:44:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16833; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:44:44 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16827; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:44:42 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-09.usc.edu [128.125.223.153]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id IAA01631 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960902154503.00729bb0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 08:45:03 -0700 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: TP 560--Diskette Factory? Anyone with a 560 (or otherwise) that has tried to use the Win 95 diskette factory to create floppies of their system disks (a whopping 30 of them)? Everytime I try to do it on my new 560, it sort of hangs on diskette #3 (actually "Disk #2" because it starts out with boot disk 0). It continually tells me that the diskette I'm using is bad (even though I *know* the many diskettes I've fed it are perfectly good). I tried offloading all those .cab files (30 MB worth) to my desktop and running it from there, but I get a message that its not authorized to run on that computer. Has anyone had a similar problem and if so, were you able to solve it (and how)? ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 12:57:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115583450; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:57:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10864; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:31:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:27:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10275; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:27:08 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10258; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:27:03 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-7.rust.net [206.42.195.107]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27300; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960902142704.0071ec44@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:27:04 -0400 To: jim@why.net (jim) From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: TP701cs screen looses sync w/DOS box w/Win95 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 02:39 AM 9/2/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, >I have a ThinkPad 701cs on which I just installed Win95. I upgraded the >bios and the ess audio drivers as suggested in this newsgroup. >Everything works great except for one small problem. > >Whenever I start a DOS box in a window, the screen seems to loose sync. >If I do an alt/enter to change to full screen and then another alt/enter >to change back, everything is back to normal. > >I'm using 65000 colors and the standard driver Win95 picked for me >(Chips and Tech acellerated). > >Anyone else had this problem? > >Thanks for the help, >Jim McGhee > I just installed it on a 701c not a cs version and did not have that problem. B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 12:57:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115623451; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:57:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14597; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:16:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:14:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14371; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:14:22 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14362; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:14:16 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA17875; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:13:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA26256; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:13:55 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA10613; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:13:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 17:13:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: Bill Bryan Cc: jim , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701cs screen looses sync w/DOS box w/Win95 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960902142704.0071ec44@rust.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >Whenever I start a DOS box in a window, the screen seems to loose sync. > >If I do an alt/enter to change to full screen and then another alt/enter > >to change back, everything is back to normal. > I just installed it on a 701c not a cs version and did not have that problem. This is a problem that is integral to the CS and not the C. To get around it, simply tap alt-enter to enlarge the DOS window to full screen and then tap it again to shrink it. As far as I know there's no way around it with the current Win95 drivers Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 12:57:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115653454; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:57:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10866; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:31:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:27:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10295; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:27:12 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10259; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:27:03 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-7.rust.net [206.42.195.107]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA27298; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960902142702.006c2dd0@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 10:27:02 -0400 To: Bryan Daum From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Win 95 and 701c Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:31 AM 8/31/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hey Bill > >How long did it take you? Did you have previous '95 experience? >Did you use a cd -who/which machine/ how good? > >Regards > >Bryan Daum N1AHD >President >Allied Inspection Services >Portland, Oregon >hhtp://www.teleport.com/~allied/index/html > > Bryan I will try to address some of your questions. The first, How long? I did it with floppys, which took less than an hour. It took me another 3 or 4 hours to get all the other stuff loaded that the "laptop" install doesn't do. Things like the Dialer which I needed because I surf. The install goes fast for this kind of stuff. It's just a matter of figuring out what you don't have and where to find it. On the 701c I use the IR port for printing to my laser. The drivers you can get from www.microsoft.com. The driver is called W95IR.EXE. It's self installing. I had no experience with the upgrade version before. I have done 2 installs with the OEM version which wants a blank disk to start out. If you want Win 95, start out at IBM. Download this file TPWIN95.TXT. I also downloaded and ran WIN95SET.EXE. TPWIN95.TXT tells all about what you need to do. As far as the installation went, perfect. Not a single problem... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 12:58:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116303516; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:58:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24739; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 06:08:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 06:04:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24367; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 06:04:12 -0400 Received: from fire.tic.ch (fire.tic.ch [193.193.144.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24356; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 06:04:05 -0400 Received: from ar.tic.ch by fire.tic.ch via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA06886; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 12:05:29 +0200 Received: by ar.tic.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BB98C6.14AF4D00@ar.tic.ch>; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:58:40 +-200 Message-Id: <01BB98C6.14AF4D00@ar.tic.ch> From: Andrew Richards To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad 701[cs] plus New Media Bus Toaster Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 11:58:37 +-200 Encoding: 9 TEXT Hi, Anyone using this combination - and got it working? If so, could you send me your config.sys - I'm stuck, and not for lack of trying. thanks in advance, Andrew Richards From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 13:00:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116463610; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:00:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03671; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:22:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:14:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02264; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:14:11 -0400 Received: from fire.tic.ch (fire.tic.ch [193.193.144.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02227; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:14:01 -0400 Received: from ar.tic.ch by fire.tic.ch via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) id JAA28873; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:16:01 +0200 Received: by ar.tic.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BB98AE.6946CE00@ar.tic.ch>; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:09:14 +-200 Message-Id: <01BB98AE.6946CE00@ar.tic.ch> From: Andrew Richards To: "'Tom Kustner'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 760ED + Win3.1 + MPEG = :( Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 09:09:12 +-200 Encoding: 11 TEXT <<<<<<< When booting up Windows 3.1 on the 760ED, the splash screen comes up, disappears (so far so good), and then a DOS message comes up in German: Das MPEG-Subsystem kann nicht verwendet weden, weil es inaktiviert ist. 2) Out of curiosity, can anyone translate this message? >>>>>> Trans: The MPEG Subsystem cannot be used, because it is inactivated. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 13:00:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116503620; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:00:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06704; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:40:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:37:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06168; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:37:50 -0400 Received: from where.why.net (where.why.net [205.240.252.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06162; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:37:48 -0400 Received: from jim ([205.240.253.211]) by where.why.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-11525) with SMTP id AAA89; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 02:36:17 -0500 Message-Id: <322A8F2E.27A6@why.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 02:39:26 -0500 From: jim@why.net (jim) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b7 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701cs screen looses sync w/DOS box w/Win95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have a ThinkPad 701cs on which I just installed Win95. I upgraded the bios and the ess audio drivers as suggested in this newsgroup. Everything works great except for one small problem. Whenever I start a DOS box in a window, the screen seems to loose sync. If I do an alt/enter to change to full screen and then another alt/enter to change back, everything is back to normal. I'm using 65000 colors and the standard driver Win95 picked for me (Chips and Tech acellerated). Anyone else had this problem? Thanks for the help, Jim McGhee From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 13:00:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116533621; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:00:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05247; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:30:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04696; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:30:05 -0400 Received: from noknic.nokia.com (noknic.nokia.com [131.228.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04667; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 03:29:59 -0400 From: Received: from ncepfi01.nce.nokia.com (ncepfi01.nce.nokia.com [131.228.95.103]) by noknic.nokia.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA07064 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 10:29:20 +0300 Received: (root@localhost) by ncepfi01.nce.nokia.com (8.6.8.1/SCA-6.6) id IAA23766 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:31:04 GMT X400-Received: by mta FIKE in /PRMD=NOKIA/ADMD=ELISA/C=FI ; Relayed ; 02 Sep 96 10:29:10 +0000 X400-Received: by mta NCEPFI01TU in /PRMD=NOKIA/ADMD=ELISA/C=FI ; Relayed ; 02 Sep 96 10:30:49 +0000 X400-Received: by /PRMD=NOKIA/ADMD=ELISA/C=FI ; Relayed ; 02 Sep 96 10:28:00 +0000 Date: 02 Sep 96 10:31:04 +0200 Delivery-Date: 02 Sep 96 10:31:04 +0200 Message-Type: Multiple Part X400-Originator: Arto.Kiiskinen@fike.nce.nokia.com X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=NOKIA/ADMD=ELISA/C=FI;G500219807130000010401B06370042E] X400-Recipients: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Original-Encoded-Information-Types: IA5-Text Message-Id: Importance: normal Subject: Don't bother this, just trying.. Autoforwarded: FALSE To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Receipt Notification Requested) Reply-To: Arto.Kiiskinen@fike.nce.nokia.com Priority: normal Conversion: Allowed Conversion-With-Loss: Allowed Just trying if this works. Arto Kiiskinen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 16:35:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150556541; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:35:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02984; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:43:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:41:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02827; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:41:23 -0400 Received: from p3.net (root@p3.net [206.67.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02821; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:41:20 -0400 Received: from Mark Tunnell.p3.net (nbwga43.p3.net [206.137.135.43]) by p3.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA19249 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:16:18 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960902193909.00681f28@p3.net> X-Sender: endoftunnell@p3.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 15:39:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Aaron Tunnell Subject: Cheep External Floppy Drive I seem to recall people asking for a cheep source for IBM's external 3.5" Floppy drives. I think I have found a good solution. B.G. Micro Inc. sells overstock Dell floppys like IBM's. They connect Via Parallel DB-25 port and cost only $20.50, they also have overstocked Dell cases for only $8.95. Their web page is at www.bgmicro.com. I don't know if they work with IBM Thinkpads but I don't see why not. Let me know if it works! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 16:35:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150586543; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:35:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03143; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:44:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:43:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03008; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:43:25 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com (poblano.near.net [198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03000; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:43:23 -0400 Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F is out / 760C To: Michael Steiner Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199609021917.VAA19363@babbage.zurich.ibm.com> from "Michael Steiner" at Sep 2, 96 09:17:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9609021542.aa22492@poblano.bbnplanet.com> > Anybody succeded to make 3.1.2F (SVGA) running on a 760C ? I installed > everything, configured it with XF86Setup and when i started it up it > looked fine, but only at first sights. When the mouse is moved there > is a square around the cursor which gets strangely updated: it's a > copy of the screen a couple of centimeters towards the upper right > corner. the screen also gets corrupted when you reach the bottom of a > xterm and the xterm tries to scroll ... > > any ideas/suggestions/help ? Ugh. Did you have this problem with 3.1.2E? Does toggling Fn-7 change anything? What if you use your old (non-XF86Setup) XF86Config? You should probably submit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/BetaReport to report@XFree86.org with the description and the output of X -probeonly. --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 16:36:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150766598; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 16:36:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01342; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:24:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:18:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00723; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:18:28 -0400 Received: from internet-gw.zurich.ibm.com (internet-gw.zurich.ibm.ch [193.5.61.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00714; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 15:18:14 -0400 Received: from emme.zurich.ibm.com by internet-gw.zurich.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22653 from ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:18:05 +0200 Received: from sti-ppp.zurich.ibm.com by emme.zurich.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33302 from ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:18:06 +0200 Received: from zurich.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by babbage.zurich.ibm.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA19363 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:17:39 +0200 Message-Id: <199609021917.VAA19363@babbage.zurich.ibm.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F is out / 760C In-Reply-To: (Your message of Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:26 EDT.) <199608291023.GAA26407@all-purpose-gunk.near.net> Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 21:17:36 +0200 From: Michael Steiner John Hawkinson wrote Thu, 29 Aug 1996 06:23:26 -0400: > For those folks using XFree86 3.1.2E (which is about to expire), > XFree86 3.1.2F is now out for NetBSD, Linux/elf, FreeBSD, and ISC > binaries are available. > > On my TP760E (trident tgui9320lcd) it is necssary to add > > Option "tgui_pci_write_off" > > to the Device section of the XF86Config. > > 3.1.2F is a distinct improvement over 3.1.2E for me in that with the > above option,the SVGA server works just fine in 800x600 mode. Anybody succeded to make 3.1.2F (SVGA) running on a 760C ? I installed everything, configured it with XF86Setup and when i started it up it looked fine, but only at first sights. When the mouse is moved there is a square around the cursor which gets strangely updated: it's a copy of the screen a couple of centimeters towards the upper right corner. the screen also gets corrupted when you reach the bottom of a xterm and the xterm tries to scroll ... any ideas/suggestions/help ? thanks a lot -michael- Michael Steiner ___________ IBM Research Lab, (++41) 1 / 724 82 86 | Saeumerstrasse 4 ^ CH-8803 Rueschlikon ---------------------------------(_)--------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 20:03:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA176709026; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:03:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19772; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 20:02:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:57:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19479; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:57:22 -0400 Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (savage@access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.178.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19473; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:57:19 -0400 Received: by access.mbnet.mb.ca id AA11771 (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:56:59 -0500 From: Jason Savage Message-Id: <199609022356.AA11771@access.mbnet.mb.ca> Subject: Introduction To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:56:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I just subscribed to this list and thought now would be as good a time as any for me to introduce myself and my machine to you. My name is Jason Savage. I'm a CNA (Certified NetWare Administrator) and a CNE candidate. I work at a local (to me at least) computer reseller in the support department. Yes, we are IBM authorised and no I can't get any deals. 8^) My machine is an IBM ThinkPad 701C. It is the DX4/75 version with 8MB (soon to be 16MB) of RAM and a 720MB of hard disk space. To this configuration I have added an Iomega ZIP drive (parallel version). My OS of choice at the moment is PC-DOS 6.3/Windows 3.11 (factory stuff); although, I am toying with the idea installing Win95 on the unit after I receive my Kingston 8MB SO-DIMM upgrade kit. The software I run on it includes Microsoft Office Professional 4.3, DCA's CrossTalk 2.0 (Terminal Emulator), and LucasArts' Dark Forces (via the ZIP Drive). Future projects my ThinkPad include: Win95 install (mentioned above) Networking (got save up for a 3COM 589C PC-Card) Anyway, I've taken up enough time already. I'm looking forward to chatting it up with you all. Talk to you later, Sincerely, Jason Savage Savage@MBnet.MB.CA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 21:12:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA185043169; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:12:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24616; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:11:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:08:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24300; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:08:57 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24294; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 21:08:55 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-58.usc.edu [128.125.223.202]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id SAA14126; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 18:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960903010754.006e958c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:07:54 -0700 To: Jason Savage From: Randy Whittle Subject: Win 95 RAM Usage Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 06:56 PM 9/2/96 -0500, Jason Savage wrote: > My machine is an IBM ThinkPad 701C. It is the DX4/75 version >with 8MB (soon to be 16MB) of RAM and a 720MB of hard disk space. To By the way, I just read in a Norton FAQ from Symantec that Win 95 uses a full 14 MB (RAM or RAM/Swapfile Combo) just to load the basics, not counting anything else (extra Win 95 modules, utilities, other software, etc.). Anyone planning on upgrading to "only" 16 MB RAM should perhaps keep this in mind before doing so. Personally, I've noticed that my "Win 95 basics"--which include Networking capability and some Norton stuff loaded (i.e. Norton Taskbar, etc.) takes up quite a bit more RAM than 14 MB before I even load up anything I actually do work in (i.e. Word or Excel). My Desktop, with 48 MB RAM and more "basic" utils (Norton stuff) than I choose to load on my Notebook for memory reasons, says that 67% of my memory is already used just at bootup. Basically, that means its using up 32 MB right up front. My notebook, with a somewhat smaller set of "extras" loaded at bootup and 24 MB of physical RAM, says it has about 87% of the RAM used up--about 21 MB used up front upon startup. The lesson? Folks, if you're going to run Win 95, either (a) buy as much RAM as you can possibily afford or (b) make sure you leave yourself room to expand more memory in the future when you *can* afford it. For notebook owners, the answer is clear--if you can afford a 16 MB module (or even a 32 MB module) over that measly 4 or 8 MB module, then do it--because you don't have any extra slots to expand into (except in rare cases, like the 760's which apparently have 2 slots). Let's just say my Desktop with 48 MB RAM shuts down almost instantly whereas when it had a mere 16 MB RAM, it took a fair amount of time. I presume this is because it has less crap to clear out of the swapfile, since the swapfile got less usage with the larger amount of RAM. And of course, things move a fair amount snappier, especially when you load up a couple of decent-sized software packages. > Networking (got save up for a 3COM 589C PC-Card) If you see a good deal on these (preferably used), let me know--I want one too. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 2 22:11:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA191646688; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:11:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28401; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:10:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:08:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28212; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:08:30 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28201; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:08:20 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx20-23.teleport.com [206.163.124.215]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA09676; Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 19:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609030206.TAA09676@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Randy Whittle From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > My notebook, with a somewhat smaller set of "extras" loaded at >bootup and 24 MB of physical RAM, says it has about 87% of the RAM used >up--about 21 MB used up front upon startup. Hi Randy, How did you know how much ram is being used? Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 07:08:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA251738888; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:08:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09928; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:03:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09253; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:50:17 -0400 Received: from bnr.ca (x400gate.bnr.ca [192.58.194.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09242; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:50:11 -0400 X400-Received: by mta bnr.ca in /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:48:31 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:48:08 -0400 X400-Received: by /PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/; Relayed; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:47:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 06:47:00 -0400 X400-Originator: /dd.id=1073097/g=daniel/i=ds/s=hammett/@bnr.ca X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNR/ADMD=TELECOM.CANADA/C=CA/;bcars520.b.892:03.08.96.10.48.08] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Comments on I... From: "daniel (d.s.) hammett" Sender: "daniel (d.s.) hammett" Message-Id: <"11968 Tue Sep 3 06:48:24 1996"@bnr.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Comments on IBM 3D Sound Card Hi Folks I'm considering splashing out on one of those 3D PCMCIA sound cards that IBM do (have given up trying to get games support with the old TP 750). Has anyone on this mailing list used the card at all. I've heard it's quite good, and probably the best you can get at the moment, but I would appreciate something more concrete be it good or bad. Thank you in advance for your help Regards Dan Hammett. *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Dan Hammett - TN16x Customer Support Engineer | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | NITEC, NORTEL Technology, | | | Doagh Road, | Tel: +44 (0) 1232 363525 | | Newtownabbey | ESN: 6 751 3525 | | Co. Antrim, BT36 6XA | Email: dhammett@nortel.ca | | Northern Ireland | | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Opinions expressed in this email are mine, not my employer's | *---------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 07:44:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA255281048; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:44:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11633; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:37:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11518; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:37:01 -0400 Received: from janus.saturn.net (elw@janus.saturn.net [206.42.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11512; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:36:58 -0400 Received: (from elw@localhost) by janus.saturn.net (8.7.4/8.6.9) id HAA12518; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:36:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:36:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Erik L Williams To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII UNSUBSCRIBE I joined this list looking for info on the 365. Didnt see many posts about it so I am going to save myself some reading. Cheers ================================================ / ////// // // // Erik lawson Williams / / // // // // elw@saturn.net / / ////// // // // www.saturn.net/~elw / / // // ////// phone - 617.924.4253 / / ////// ////// // // pager - 1.800.sky.8888 / / x4126349 / / PGP Key - www.saturn.net/~elw/mypgp.html / =====Truth is free...Information is Expensive=== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 08:44:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA262214687; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:44:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16265; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:41:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15961; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:41:13 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15951; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 08:41:11 -0400 Received: from default (mol-il1-15.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.47]) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id FAA10568 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 05:40:36 -0700 Message-Id: <199609031240.FAA10568@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 07:43:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Win95 DUN/drops line connection Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) I use the IBM installed Windows 95 DUN to access my NETCOM account for Internet activities. My Thinkpad 760ED works superbly for Web browsing with Netscape Navigator 3.0, puting me in touch with financial info, including Barron's Weekly, available on Saturday mornings, the Wall Street Journal, PC Quotes, etc. My problem is that if I leave the unit unattended for more than about two minutes, it automatically drops the line connection. Many times a following re-dial results in busy signals and lots of frustration. Is there a way to keep the Windows 95 DUN from automatically dropping an inactive connection, for say 10 minutes? Is this a problem unique to the Thinkpad Windows 95 installations? Additionally, I just got the unit back from IBM's EasyServ facility, and note they have updated the DSP for reasons of "problems with modem connection"; a nice jesture, but I had sent the unit in to fix the low level audio, another problem altogether that itself persists! Does this group maintain an index of problems and solutions by Thinkpad model? Maybe someone knows about the audio, too? Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 18:50:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA076171037; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:50:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09948; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:41:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:35:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09464; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:35:34 -0400 Received: from internet-gw.zurich.ibm.com (internet-gw.zurich.ibm.ch [193.5.61.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09444; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:35:24 -0400 Received: from [9.4.23.208] by internet-gw.zurich.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA06455 from ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:35:07 +0200 Received: by clariden.zurich.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44746 from ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 00:35:10 +0200 Message-Id: <9609032235.AA44746@clariden.zurich.ibm.com> To: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F is out / 760C In-Reply-To: (Your message of Mon, 02 Sep 96 15:42:45 D.) <9609021542.aa22492@poblano.bbnplanet.com> Date: Wed, 04 Sep 96 00:35:09 +0100 From: Michael Steiner > Ugh. Did you have this problem with 3.1.2E? nope > Does toggling Fn-7 change anything? nope > What if you use your old (non-XF86Setup) XF86Config? > > You should probably submit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/BetaReport to > report@XFree86.org with the description and the output of X > -probeonly. i know, i know .. but nevertheless thanks to Friedeman Beitinger i found the solution - include the Option "linear" in the Device section and everything (seems to) works fine .... -michael- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 18:58:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA077491522; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:58:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10680; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:53:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:51:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10545; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:51:47 -0400 Received: from all-purpose-gunk.near.net (all-purpose-gunk.near.net [199.94.220.184]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10539; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:51:45 -0400 Received: (from jhawk@localhost) by all-purpose-gunk.near.net (8.8.Beta.1/8.8.Beta.1) id SAA21914; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 18:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609032251.SAA21914@all-purpose-gunk.near.net> To: Michael Steiner Subject: Re: XFree86 3.1.2F is out / 760C Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John Hawkinson > > You should probably submit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/doc/BetaReport to > > report@XFree86.org with the description and the output of X > > -probeonly. > i know, i know .. You should certainly have done so, but... > but nevertheless thanks to Friedeman Beitinger i found the solution > - include the Option "linear" in the Device section and everything > (seems to) works fine .... XFree86 3.1.2G should be out RSN (I'll send an announcement). It contains two thinkpad-relevent fixes: 723. Fix problem using non-linear mode with TGUI chips (Alan Hourihane). 722. Turn off PCI burst write by default for TGUI chips. So Option "tgui_pci_burst_write" should no longer be necessary, for those who were using it. So please see if removing Option "linear" works when G comes out. --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 19:42:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083134121; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:42:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13449; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:33:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13291; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:33:45 -0400 Received: from cosmos.psc.sc.edu (cosmos.psc.sc.edu [129.252.32.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13285; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:33:43 -0400 Received: from solstice.cosm.sc.edu (solstice.cosm.sc.edu [129.252.40.17]) by cosmos.psc.sc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA23872 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:33:28 GMT Received: from localhost by solstice.cosm.sc.edu (8.6.12) id XAA01702; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:33:27 GMT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Would like to buy a cheap IBM Think Pad Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Not for me, but a friend of mine. It should be cheaper than $400-500, with at least 4 MG RAM and 120 MG on hard disk, with preferably Windows or at least DOS. I am looking for something in a good condition, with a complete documentation. Please reply directly to my email address. TIA. Waldemar From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 20:03:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA086415414; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 20:03:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14783; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:59:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:57:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14616; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:57:30 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14599; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:57:25 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19348; Tue, 3 Sep 96 19:53:51 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 19:53:51 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609032353.AA19348@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, puszkarz@cosm.sc.edu Subject: Re: Would like to buy a cheap IBM Think Pad just for reference in new machines, I saw this morning a 36x thinkpad with 25/50MHz 486, 4 meg Ram 8.4" TFT screen, 250 meg hard drive for under $1000 from one of the NYC stores, so it seems that the parameters you give for a used machine are not unreasonable. --- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 19:35 EDT 1996 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Waldemar Puszkarz To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Would like to buy a cheap IBM Think Pad Mime-Version: 1.0 Hi all, Not for me, but a friend of mine. It should be cheaper than $400-500, with at least 4 MG RAM and 120 MG on hard disk, with preferably Windows or at least DOS. I am looking for something in a good condition, with a complete documentation. Please reply directly to my email address. TIA. Waldemar From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 21:24:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA096530279; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:24:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20781; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:23:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:18:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20217; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:18:12 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20203; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:18:02 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-12.rust.net [206.42.195.112]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA00732 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904011758.006cac4c@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:17:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Moving 95 ? A friend's drive needs to be retired but before it goes he wants to transfer everything over onto the new drive. He doesn't have a tape drive and would like to do the IDE master / slave hook-up. This seems very simple on the surface but with Win 95 and it's unfamiliar, hidden and system files, I'm not so sure. I'd like to help him but I don't want to spend hours and find out it's not going to fly. I have not played with 95's backup program so maybe that's an avenue to look at. Anybody have any ideas? B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 21:37:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA098061034; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:37:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21818; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:36:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21654; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:35:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21638; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:35:14 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA29949; Tue, 3 Sep 96 21:31:43 EDT Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 21:31:43 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609040131.AA29949@nile.gnat.com> To: billb@rust.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? if you could borrow a PCMCIA disk for a while, this is a good medium for doing such transfers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 21:49:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA102451795; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:49:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22708; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:47:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:46:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22580; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:46:40 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22574; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:46:30 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:45:38 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960904014534.0066d300@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:45:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? Hi Bill, At 21:17 03.09.96 -0400, you wrote: > A friend's drive needs to be retired but before it goes he wants to >transfer everything over onto the new drive. He doesn't have a tape drive >and would like to do the IDE master / slave hook-up. This seems very simple >on the surface but with Win 95 and it's unfamiliar, hidden and system files, >I'm not so sure. I'd like to help him but I don't want to spend hours and >find out it's not going to fly. I have not played with 95's backup program >so maybe that's an avenue to look at. Anybody have any ideas? There was an article on moving entire OS's (DOS/Win, WIn95, WinNT, OS/2, Linux) in the last edition of the (recommendable, IMHO) German c'T - Magazine. I see you're not from or near Germany, and I don't know about your command of the German language, but it might help you... What I'm trying to say is I am very busy at the moment and I just moved, so I can't really get at my stuff, and I don't remember their solution offhand... They also have a Webserver with some english pages at http://www.ix.de/ct If you don't have a better answer in a week or so, email me again... maybe I'll have fought my way through the boxes... much luck, axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 21:59:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA103802370; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:59:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23595; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:58:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:57:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23354; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:57:22 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23340; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:57:18 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:56:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960904015643.00680b20@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:56:43 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? Hi again, At 21:31 03.09.96 EDT, you wrote: >if you could borrow a PCMCIA disk for a while, this is a good medium >for doing such transfers. afaik, getting the bits and bytes moved electrically is the least of the problems. i believe a large part of the problem involved "special" files that are crucial to win95, but are always in use and won't be copied by any normal means. if i remember the article mentioned in my first reply correctly, moving a full win95 set involved booting off a win95-panic disk and invoking xcopy with an armada of special command-line parameters. and then the whole enchilada needs to be bootable... i might just dig that magazine out, if i don't drop dead in my bed first... don't dispair (yet), axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 22:53:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA109225610; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:53:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27408; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:49:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27055; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:49:21 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27048; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:49:10 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id 9e000.wrk; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 19:48:02 PDT Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960903194835.0068d604@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 19:48:40 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? Cc: billb@rust.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I believe the following command should copy ALL of Windows, including hidden, etc, files: xcopy c:\windows d:windows/s/r/c/h/k/e/y The parameters can be in any order, but this order should help you remember it - it does for me, anyway. Of course, the destination 'd:' drive is any letter you specify. Hope this helps Pat PS. I've never done it, so I can't guarantee the result. At 06:18 PM 9/3/96 PDT, you wrote: > A friend's drive needs to be retired but before it goes he wants to >transfer everything over onto the new drive. He doesn't have a tape drive >and would like to do the IDE master / slave hook-up. This seems very simple >on the surface but with Win 95 and it's unfamiliar, hidden and system files, >I'm not so sure. I'd like to help him but I don't want to spend hours and >find out it's not going to fly. I have not played with 95's backup program >so maybe that's an avenue to look at. Anybody have any ideas? > > >B/B >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb > Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions > three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 23:23:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA112877383; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:23:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29459; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:22:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:20:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29272; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:20:44 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29229; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:20:37 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA13820; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA01671; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:21:03 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: Bill Bryan Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960904011758.006cac4c@rust.net> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The main hidden files that are new are the system.dat and user.dat files in \windows. These two files are the win95 registry. The other hidden files are in the root directory and are probably io.sys, msdos.sys, ibmbio.com, ibmdos.com, dblspace.bin. Also any hibernation files and swap files will be hidden but the OS should recreate them for you and you probably don't want to spend time copying those. On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Bill Bryan wrote: > A friend's drive needs to be retired but before it goes he wants to > transfer everything over onto the new drive. He doesn't have a tape drive > and would like to do the IDE master / slave hook-up. This seems very simple > on the surface but with Win 95 and it's unfamiliar, hidden and system files, > I'm not so sure. I'd like to help him but I don't want to spend hours and > find out it's not going to fly. I have not played with 95's backup program > so maybe that's an avenue to look at. Anybody have any ideas? > > > B/B > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb > Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions > three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 3 23:32:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA114427952; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:32:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00237; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:31:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:30:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00107; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:30:43 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29993; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:30:36 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA03789 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:31:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199609040331.VAA03789@aspen.wwsi.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Sep 1996 23:21:01 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:31:44 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Actually, the easiest thing to do is a full system backup using Win95 backup. Then, install Win95 on the new drive and do a full system restore. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 01:48:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA132206104; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:48:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08111; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:47:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:45:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07867; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:45:10 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07856; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 01:45:06 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-45.usc.edu [128.125.223.117]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA07504; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904054441.00712b20@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 22:44:41 -0700 To: Bryan Daum From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 07:06 PM 9/2/96 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: > > >> My notebook, with a somewhat smaller set of "extras" loaded at >>bootup and 24 MB of physical RAM, says it has about 87% of the RAM used >>up--about 21 MB used up front upon startup. > >Hi Randy, > >How did you know how much ram is being used? > >Bryan Couple of different spots--one was a Norton Util (system info) and the other in the System Info box. > > ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 02:56:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150590189; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:56:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12737; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:51:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12393; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:51:10 -0400 Received: from mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (ns.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12387; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:51:01 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net.worldnet.att.net ([207.116.81.172]) by mtigwc02.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA24905; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 06:50:20 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960904024635.0066ffb0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: pforte@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 02:46:39 -0400 To: Bill Bryan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Patrick Forte Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone tell me how to change the attribute of the system.dat file and the user.dat file, i.e., remove the hidden attribute, so that I may make a copy of it on a floppy disk. Thanks for any help. PATRICK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 02:59:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA150880381; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:59:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12900; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12813; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:57:51 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12807; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 02:57:46 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id bf1c0.wrk; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 23:56:58 PDT Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960903235725.00691484@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 23:57:29 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? Cc: pforte@worldnet.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Patrick; >From the DOS prompt use the attrib command. eg. attrib user.dat -h (to remove the hide attribute) note: -r would remove read only. +r+h would re-hide and write protect the file. Hope this helps Pat At 11:51 PM 9/3/96 PDT, you wrote: > Can anyone tell me how to change the attribute of the system.dat >file and the user.dat file, i.e., remove the hidden attribute, so that I >may make a copy of it on a floppy disk. Thanks for any help. > > >PATRICK > > > ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 05:42:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA174120154; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:42:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00321; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:38:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:33:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28921; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:33:51 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28850; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:33:38 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA19720; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA44198; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:34:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 05:34:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: Pat Presidente Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, pforte@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Moving 95 ? In-Reply-To: <3.0b11.32.19960903235725.00691484@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's also a system file so you have to do: attrib -h -s -r user.dat On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Pat Presidente wrote: > Patrick; > > From the DOS prompt use the attrib command. > eg. attrib user.dat -h (to remove the hide attribute) > note: -r would remove read only. +r+h would re-hide and write > protect the file. > > Hope this helps > Pat > > At 11:51 PM 9/3/96 PDT, you wrote: > > Can anyone tell me how to change the attribute of the system.dat > >file and the user.dat file, i.e., remove the hidden attribute, so that I > >may make a copy of it on a floppy disk. Thanks for any help. > > > > > >PATRICK > > > > > > > ===========================================================================| > O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| > |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | > | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | > ===========================================================================| > "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | > ===========================================================================| > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 07:28:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA185446516; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:28:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07570; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:27:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:18:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06990; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:18:22 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06981; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 07:18:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA13069; Wed, 4 Sep 96 07:14:30 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 07:14:30 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609041114.AA13069@nile.gnat.com> To: allied@teleport.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ">> My notebook, with a somewhat smaller set of "extras" loaded at >>bootup and 24 MB of physical RAM, says it has about 87% of the RAM used >>up--about 21 MB used up front upon startup." Worrying about such a situation is a hold over from working with junk operating systems without virtual memory. In general one expects all the RAM you have to be used up all the time, except perhaps at startup time before you have done anything (as in this case). In any decent operating system, stuff stays around in memory and is only evicted if necessary. The Norton utility generally provides completely meaningless figures. It is a hold over from DOS days. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 10:36:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA207877809; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:36:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23560; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:35:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:30:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23006; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:30:38 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22989; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:30:33 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA05336 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 08:31:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199609041431.IAA05336@aspen.wwsi.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:14:30 EDT." <9609041114.AA13069@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 08:31:52 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "rd" == Robert Dewar writes: >>> My notebook, with a somewhat smaller set of "extras" loaded at >>> bootup and 24 MB of physical RAM, says it has about 87% of the RAM used >>> up--about 21 MB used up front upon startup." rd> Worrying about such a situation is a hold over from working with junk rd> operating systems without virtual memory. In general one expects all the rd> RAM you have to be used up all the time, except perhaps at startup rd> time before you have done anything (as in this case). In any decent rd> operating system, stuff stays around in memory and is only evicted rd> if necessary. rd> The Norton utility generally provides completely meaningless figures. It rd> is a hold over from DOS days. Not exactly. The question is how much of the *physical* memory is used versus swapping to disk. Physical memory -- especially in notebooks with slow disks -- is much faster than paged memory. If you can keep most of your work in RAM instead of swap, everything will be faster. You can tell how much of physical memory is used, and this is what Norton is telling you. How much physical memory is loaded when you start the OS. For example, on this machine (a Cyrix P166+ with 64MB of RAM running Linux), the "top" command says I'm using 61464K of physical memory, 0K of swap (I'm running three copies of Netscape at the moment!). This is a perfectly valid measurement of memory use. Cheers, ssh -- Steve Hultquist, Founder Engineering the future Worldwide Solutions, Inc. ...with you Boulder, Colorado, USA 303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 10:49:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA209748551; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:49:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24783; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:47:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:46:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24649; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:46:03 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24643; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 10:45:58 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16836; Wed, 4 Sep 96 10:42:27 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 10:42:27 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609041442.AA16836@nile.gnat.com> To: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage "Not exactly. The question is how much of the *physical* memory is used versus swapping to disk. Physical memory -- especially in notebooks with slow disks -- is much faster than paged memory. If you can keep most of your work in RAM instead of swap, everything will be faster. You can tell how much of physical memory is used, and this is what Norton is telling you. How much physical memory is loaded when you start the OS. For example, on this machine (a Cyrix P166+ with 64MB of RAM running Linux), the "top" command says I'm using 61464K of physical memory, 0K of swap (I'm running three copies of Netscape at the moment!). This is a perfectly valid measurement of memory use." This is quite confused. There is no distinction between physical memory and paged memory. There is only physical memory, which may be addressed using virtual addresses, but there is no special paged memory. There may be some pages locked in memory, but Norton knows nothing about that. Generally in any decent system, all of the physical memory will be in use all the time, because you do not eject stuff from memory until you need to. Your top command merely shows that 61M of memory is currently in use for something, but the something may be old executables no longer in use, which will be kept around until the space they occupy is no longer needed. At that time they will not be swapped out, but merely discarded. The fact that you see zero swap in use merely means that the active use of memory does not exceed the physical size. If you never see your physical memory full, then you have too much of it :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 11:56:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA223982585; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:56:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01758; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:54:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:52:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01454; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:52:22 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01447; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:52:18 -0400 Received: from newworld.bridge.net (newworld.bridge.net [204.253.4.4]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA02597; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:42:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:39:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Whitestone To: Robert Dewar Cc: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage In-Reply-To: <9609041442.AA16836@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > Generally in any decent system, all of the physical memory will be in use > all the time, because you do not eject stuff from memory until you > need to. > > Your top command merely shows that 61M of memory is currently in use for > something, but the something may be old executables no longer in use, > which will be kept around until the space they occupy is no longer needed. > At that time they will not be swapped out, but merely discarded. This is silly and makes no sense in operating system terms. "Eject" from memory? "Discard?" Ask an OS how much memory is free and it will tell you how much is currently not allocated, period. If it's telling you 61M is in use, some program has asked for it. If some program has asked for it, the OS is not free to just discard it - it has no idea if the program is legitimately using it or just allocating stuff at random - it MUST swap it. This is why memory leaks are so serious. If a program doesn't properly deallocate the space, it remains "in use" as far as the OS is concerned. I mean, do you think Norton traverses the memory space and looks for segments not currently zeroed out? Even if it could so such a silly thing, there is 4Gb of addresses possible under Lose95 (mapped to physical memory, of course). Is uses a simple Lose95 system call to determine the current amount of memory used and swap used. Parties interested in how all this stuff really works should check out "Build your own 32bit OS"(SAM Publishing), which isn't exactly bathroom reading, but should be understandable by the layman. A more technical approach would be Silberschatz and Galvin's "Operating System Concepts." (http://heg-school.aw.com/cseng/authors/silberschatz/opsys/opsys.pfc.html is the on-line preface to the book) Stay away from Tannenbaum's book - it's way too expensive and inappropreate for a lone learner. I dunno if it's any good, but a fellow named Nastasic has his lecture notes for an OS course online in postscript form at http://www.csam.iit.edu/~nastasic/osbook.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 11:56:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA224032588; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:56:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01766; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:54:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:51:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01340; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:51:13 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01333; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:51:10 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17817; Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:45:51 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 11:45:51 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609041545.AA17817@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, dwhite@bridge.net Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage Cc: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "This is silly and makes no sense in operating system terms. "Eject" from memory? "Discard?" Ask an OS how much memory is free and it will tell you how much is currently not allocated, period. If it's telling you 61M is in use, some program has asked for it. If some program has asked for it, the OS is not free to just discard it - it has no idea if the program is legitimately using it or just allocating stuff at random - it MUST swap it. This is why memory leaks are so serious. If a program doesn't properly deallocate the space, it remains "in use" as far as the OS is concerned." You still don't understand. Of course the operating system keeps around executables which are not in current use. At least any decent one does, and certainly all Unixes do this. If you then rerun the program before the executable gets ejected, you do not need to reload it. Tannenbaum's book is certainly the best reference, and I would suggest it as the best source (obviously your other sources if they do not deal with this elementary concept are rather lacking!) The other kind of data that is dynamic in this sense in some operating systems is disk caching information, although some OS's (e.g. OS/2) allocate a fixed amount fo phyiscval memory for this purpose. But certainly for example Netware will always be using all of physical memory, since it will use any unused memory to enlarge the disk cache. Then if you load in more stuff, disk cache blocks are ejected as needed. This idea of keeping stuff around is quite old in virtual memory systems. It was certainly used in ICL George 4 in the early 70's, and indeed I think even early unices had the concept of the sticky bit. It may be that TSS also did this, but my TSS reference manuals are not at hand. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 12:30:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA230074611; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:30:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05146; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:27:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:25:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04963; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:25:52 -0400 Received: from grizzly.ucla.edu (grizzly.ucla.edu [164.67.128.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04948; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:25:47 -0400 Received: from UNEX.UCLA.EDU ([128.97.218.2]) by grizzly.ucla.edu (8.7.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA33167 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 09:22:57 -0700 Received: from Microsoft Mail (PU Serial #1550) by UNEX.UCLA.EDU (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.8d for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1996Sep04.091500.1550.22166; Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:18:50 -0700 From: CSwartz@UNEX.UCLA.EDU (Swartz, Charles) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Newsgroup) Message-Id: <1996Sep04.091500.1550.22166@UNEX.UCLA.EDU> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Organization: UCLA Extension - contact Postmaster@unex.ucla.edu for problems Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:18:50 -0700 Subject: No Subject set THINKPAD digest From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 13:41:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA242608904; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:41:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08858; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:14:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08527; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:34 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08504; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 13:10:28 -0400 Received: from blue.pr.mcs.com (dialin_6_26.enteract.com [206.54.253.73]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id MAA00395 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:10:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609041710.MAA00395@enteract.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gene J" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 12:11:58 +0000 Subject: Anyone have a 32MB SO-DIMM running in their 701??? Reply-To: blue@enteract.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Hi! Does Anyone actually have a 32MB SO-DIMM running in their ThinkPad 701??? If so do you have any comments, problems, or recommendations? Also, where did you get your 32MB SO-DIMM and how much? I assume it must be a 70ns/3.3v SO-DIMM, right? Thanks in Advance... -- Gene http://www.enteract.com/~blue "While the past affords us the opportunity to learn many useful lessons that can be applied in the present, we can also gain insight for today by giving some thoughtful consideration as to what lies ahead for us in the future." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 14:50:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA256423055; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:50:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17125; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:48:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:44:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16514; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:44:39 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16484; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:44:29 -0400 Received: from newworld.bridge.net (newworld.bridge.net [204.253.4.4]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA09677; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:44:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Donald Whitestone Reply-To: Donald Whitestone To: Robert Dewar Cc: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage In-Reply-To: <9609041545.AA17817@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > You still don't understand. Of course the operating system keeps around > executables which are not in current use. At least any decent one does, > and certainly all Unixes do this. If you then rerun the program before > the executable gets ejected, you do not need to reload it. Irrelevant to the point. Ask the OS how much memory is "free" and it will include that amount in the response, regardless of the fact that is has it earmarked. All programs like Norton do is make some very simple system calls to determine the amount of memory that can possibly be allocated. If the OS indicated that 61M of memory is in use, if you allocate 4M on a 64M machine, swapping will occur. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 14:55:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA257693337; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:55:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17130; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:48:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:45:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16616; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:45:04 -0400 Received: from ra.isisnet.com (root@ra.isisnet.com [199.45.83.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16562; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 14:44:57 -0400 Received: from robs.isisnet.com by ra.isisnet.com (8.7.5/SMI-SVR4) id PAA21009; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:40:59 -0300 (ADT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:40:59 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <199609041840.PAA21009@ra.isisnet.com> X-Sender: robsteve@isisnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert G. Stevens" Subject: 755 memory I am getting ready to upgrade he memory in my 755CDV by adding a 16mb or 32mb card. The machine currently has 16mb with the use of a 8mb memory card. When I upgrade, this 8mb card will then be of no use. As a second issue, I need to get a new machine for a salesman and was wondering which thinkpads could use this card style of memory. If I could buy a thinkpad that took my old memory card, it would save some money and the old memory card would no longer be relegated to a dusty spot on a shelf. The salesman does not need a high end Thinkpad, but rather a more modest machine. It will be used for word processing , spread sheets, and telnet connection to the unix machine the company system runs on. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Regards, Robert Stevens From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 15:11:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA260194300; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:11:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19096; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:06:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18906; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:06:29 -0400 Received: from SHARE.ORG (SHARE.ORG [192.111.120.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18899; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:06:25 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199609041906.PAA18899@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from SHARE.ORG by SHARE.ORG (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6293; Wed, 04 Sep 96 14:06:07 CST Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 14:06:05 CDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 RAM usage On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Donald Whitestone wrote: >On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > >> You still don't understand. Of course the operating system keeps around >> : > >Irrelevant to the point. Ask the OS how much memory is "free" and it will > : > You both seem to have a good understanding of Virtual Memory. I'd even like to jump into the discussion on if Win95's VM subsystem even tracks and associates executables with its LRU page replenishment algorithms, or how it doesnt compare to *IX, VM, or TSS ;-)... But this is primarily a Thinkpad List. This discussion is on its second tangent and should perhaps be taken offline. (IMO) rich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 17:51:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA021913903; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:51:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04219; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:49:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03823; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:12 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03817; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:09 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA20223 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA02339; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Enhanced video on 755cd/Win95 Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are there native windows 95 drivers for the 755cd? My computer is currently using the regular Western Digital drivers that come on the win95 cdrom. Now these drivers work fine for everything even at 64k colors, but when i run the display program under the thinkpad menu and try and enable enhanced video the computer crashes when it reboots. Looking over the FTP site I can only find windows 3.1 enhanced video drivers for 755cd, but the 760 and 365 models have windows 95 drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 18:04:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA023884642; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:04:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05358; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:01:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:00:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05089; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:00:28 -0400 Received: from itchy.mindspring.com (itchy.mindspring.com [204.180.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05083; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:00:26 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.167.214]) by itchy.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA12686 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9A8A.F4AB1E00@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com>; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:00:28 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB9A8A.F4AB1E00@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> From: Mark Rees To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:00:27 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone know anywhere on the planet where they can be found? I have nothing but the run-around from everyone I've talked to. I've = even ordered for overnight delivery, only to find out the next day that = they never had one to begin with... Signed, Frustrated.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 18:33:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA028596414; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:33:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08051; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07788; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:07 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07766; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:29:00 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-05.usc.edu [128.125.224.5]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id PAA27054; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:28:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904222923.0070ecd4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:29:23 -0700 To: Mark Rees From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" At 06:00 PM 9/4/96 -0400, Mark Rees wrote: >Anyone know anywhere on the planet where they can be found? >I have nothing but the run-around from everyone I've talked to. I've even ordered for overnight delivery, only to find out the next day that they never had one to begin with... > >Signed, Frustrated.. I didn't even bother. These things are about as rare as an nasty pictures of Mother Theresa (sorry if that offends anybody!). Are you dying for the 133 MHz Pentium over the 120, or is it an issue with the Hard Disk size? If the CPU, I wouldn't make a stink--the difference in speed between these CPU's, given all else being equal, is very minimal. If the HD size, I guess you'll just have to decide whether you can wait until the machine becomes more available. If you're currently spoiled on something pretty large, I guess you'll want to wait. If not, my guess is you can make do reasonably well with the 810 MB (I did/am doing). One thing though: The 560's disk *isn't* in some removable quickie-caddy the way most all other TP's are that I've owned. So upgrading the HD isn't going to be a quick & easy job. Personally, I want a 2 GB drive, but it doesn't exist in the 12 mm height (1.3 GB is the current max). But when it comes along (and becomes reasonably affordable--say, at about today's current price for the 1.3 GB of around $600 or $700-ish), I'll go ahead and undo the screws on my 560 to replace it the 810 MB with the 2 GB. If I were really desperate, I'd do it with the current 1.3 GB available. But meanwhile, I figured waiting around forever just to get a whopping 200 MB extra space on the HD was a waste of time & money, so I just stuck with the P120 & 810 MB drive. Great machine though. I really like it. I gave a review on it recently & compared it to my other machine (a 701 that my wife now uses). It had its pluses & minuses compared to the 701, but overall, the 560 has really grown on me the last week or two (I *really* dig the big screen!) and sure fits a lot "cleaner" into my backpack with other books & etc. than the 701 did--and that 1/2 lb. weight difference *does* make a difference to me. Its also nice not having to worry about latent drain & memory effect on these batteries, since they are Li-Ions. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 18:44:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA030327048; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:44:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08951; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:42:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:39:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08659; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:38:58 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08646; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:38:51 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA26603; Wed, 4 Sep 96 18:35:11 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 18:35:11 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609042235.AA26603@nile.gnat.com> To: markrees@mindspring.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Randy said " Are you dying for the 133 MHz Pentium over the 120, or is it an issue with the Hard Disk size? If the CPU, I wouldn't make a stink--the difference in speed between these CPU's, given all else being equal, is very minimal." Are you sure, have you actually benchmarked the two machines. The 133MHz machine I have is by FAR faster than my 90MHz 760CD. The difference is more than a factor of 2 on nearly everything I have run so far, which is much more than one would expect from the clock speed. You cannot assume that a 120MHz and 133MHz machine will only differ by 10% in performance without benchmarking them. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:05:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA033018316; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:05:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10461; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:03:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:00:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10184; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:00:24 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10170; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:00:17 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-05.usc.edu [128.125.224.5]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id QAA03602; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904230029.007409f0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 16:00:29 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: markrees@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 06:35 PM 9/4/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >" Are you dying for the 133 MHz Pentium over the 120, or is it an >issue with the Hard Disk size? > > If the CPU, I wouldn't make a stink--the difference in speed between >these CPU's, given all else being equal, is very minimal." > >Are you sure, have you actually benchmarked the two machines. The 133MHz >machine I have is by FAR faster than my 90MHz 760CD. The difference >is more than a factor of 2 on nearly everything I have run so far, which >is much more than one would expect from the clock speed. As I said, "given all else being equal". For one thing, Robert, isn't your 133 MHz Pentium machine a Toshiba Tecra? And your 90 MHz 760CD--that doesn't even use a PCI bus (later 760's do though, right?), as I understand it! Indeed, there is likely to be a plethora of differences between these two machines. But for the 560's come in only 3 total flavors, the top to being virtually identical in everything but processor & HD size. As far as I know, there's not difference in design, architecture, etc. The specs I read >from IBM show they are essentially the same machine. Just one uses a P120 and the other a P133. >You cannot assume that a 120MHz and 133MHz machine will only differ by 10% >in performance without benchmarking them. Given the above (same model, same series, same architecture, etc), I think I can, though benchmarking would be preferable. But since nobody can find a P133 560, that's not going to happen any time soon. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:21:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA037689305; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11547; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:19:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:18:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11425; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:18:07 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11417; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:18:03 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01434; Wed, 4 Sep 96 19:14:32 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 19:14:32 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609042314.AA01434@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: markrees@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I agree that if everything is equal, the difference between a 120Mhz and 133Mhz machine is negligible. I have just been surprised in the past (my 760CD with a 90MHz Pentium was slower than my 755CX with a 75MHz Pentium, and as I say, my Toshiba 133Mhz turned out to be much faster than I expected -- as you suggest, this may be due to the PCI bus -- I am assuming that the 760ED with 133MHz processor will be comparable to or faster than my Tecra, but I don't know about the 560. What would be useful is to build up a set of benchmark tests, perhaps using the PC Magazine test suite, which you can download. We could combine figures published by PC Magazine with individual tests done by people on this list. By the way, I have definitely seen a 133MHz 560, so they do exist! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:24:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA038439456; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:24:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11904; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:22:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11793; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:11 -0400 Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11787; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:07 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.167.214]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA22397; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:20:53 -0400 Received: by user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9A96.361CCE50@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com>; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:02 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB9A96.361CCE50@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> From: Mark Rees To: Robert Dewar , "'Randy Whittle'" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:01 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are these machines upgradable? I.e. if the performance SUCKS can I later replace the processor? ---------- From: Randy Whittle[SMTP:whittle@usc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 1996 7:00 PM To: Robert Dewar Cc: markrees@mindspring.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb At 06:35 PM 9/4/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >" Are you dying for the 133 MHz Pentium over the 120, or is it an >issue with the Hard Disk size? > > If the CPU, I wouldn't make a stink--the difference in speed between >these CPU's, given all else being equal, is very minimal." > >Are you sure, have you actually benchmarked the two machines. The 133MHz >machine I have is by FAR faster than my 90MHz 760CD. The difference >is more than a factor of 2 on nearly everything I have run so far, which >is much more than one would expect from the clock speed. As I said, "given all else being equal". For one thing, Robert, isn't your 133 MHz Pentium machine a Toshiba Tecra? And your 90 MHz 760CD--that doesn't even use a PCI bus (later 760's do though, right?), as I understand it! Indeed, there is likely to be a plethora of differences between these two machines. But for the 560's come in only 3 total flavors, the top to being virtually identical in everything but processor & HD size. As far as I know, there's not difference in design, architecture, etc. The specs I read >from IBM show they are essentially the same machine. Just one uses a P120 and the other a P133. >You cannot assume that a 120MHz and 133MHz machine will only differ by 10% >in performance without benchmarking them. Given the above (same model, same series, same architecture, etc), I think I can, though benchmarking would be preferable. But since nobody can find a P133 560, that's not going to happen any time soon. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:35:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA039630118; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:35:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12708; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:33:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12522; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:31:34 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12501; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:31:26 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-05.usc.edu [128.125.224.5]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id QAA10308; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904233149.00758afc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 16:31:49 -0700 To: Mark Rees From: Randy Whittle Subject: RE: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" At 07:21 PM 9/4/96 -0400, Mark Rees wrote: >Are these machines upgradable? I.e. if the performance SUCKS can I later replace the processor? The 560? Upgrade the CPU? Fat chance. Most of these notebook things are nailed down like a coffin. Occasionally, a 3rd party will come up with an upgrade path of some sort (i.e., PEP products does this with 701's and I think some others), but it doesn't happen all that often. And the cost...well, its somewhat debateable whether its worthwhile to significantly "upgrade" a notebook machine. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:35:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA039680128; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:35:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12706; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:33:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12534; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:31:37 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12518; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:31:33 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-05.usc.edu [128.125.224.5]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id QAA10306; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904233147.00750a74@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 16:31:47 -0700 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: dewar@gnat.com, markrees@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 07:14 PM 9/4/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >I agree that if everything is equal, the difference between a 120Mhz >and 133Mhz machine is negligible. I have just been surprised in the >past (my 760CD with a 90MHz Pentium was slower than my 755CX with a >75MHz Pentium, and as I say, my Toshiba 133Mhz turned out to be much >faster than I expected -- as you suggest, this may be due to the PCI >bus -- I am assuming that the 760ED with 133MHz processor will be >comparable to or faster than my Tecra, but I don't know about the 560. What I'm getting at is that you absolutely have a point when considering machines across different models/platforms, *especially* between makes, etc. But for the same make/model made at about the same time with no changes in design or architecture, the assumption that a P133 is about 10-11% faster (and not particularly any more) than a P120 is quite reasonable, IMO. My guess is my P120 560 might well be on the slower side compared to many other notebook P120's, but I guess that's part of the tradeoff not to have to carry an extra 3 1/2 lbs everywhere I go (hey, that's *almost* another 560! I could carry *two* of them!). It also doesn't get particularly hot like the 750 and 701 I've owned did (and apparently many other models of thinkpad have, based on the comments to this list). Though the "wrist wrest" area in front of the keyboard on the left side does get a bit too warm--probably where they put the CPU! >What would be useful is to build up a set of benchmark tests, perhaps using >the PC Magazine test suite, which you can download. We could combine figures >published by PC Magazine with individual tests done by people on this list. Great idea. I'll volunteer to do it on my P120 560, perhaps even my wife's 701C 486-75. Do you have the FTP/Web site where I can get the test suite? >By the way, I have definitely seen a 133MHz 560, so they do exist! You're one of the blessed few. :-) ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:37:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA039840274; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:37:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13019; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:35:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:34:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12779; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:34:39 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12773; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:34:36 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03636; Wed, 4 Sep 96 19:31:05 EDT Date: Wed, 4 Sep 96 19:31:05 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609042331.AA03636@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: markrees@mindspring.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu " My guess is my P120 560 might well be on the slower side compared to many other notebook P120's, but I guess that's part of the tradeoff not to have to carry an extra 3 1/2 lbs everywhere I go (hey, that's *almost* another 560! I could carry *two* of them!). It also doesn't get particularly hot like the 750 and 701 I've owned did (and apparently many other models of thinkpad have, based on the comments to this list). Though the "wrist wrest" area in front of the keyboard on the left side does get a bit too warm--probably where they put the CPU!" Interesting, the wrist rest gets a bit warm on the Tecra too, even if it feels like turning its fan on. By contrast I never detected any heat from the 760CD, other than from the bottom which got burning hot. It is as though IBM tried and succeeded in directing all the heat out of the bottom of the machine :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 19:55:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA042681350; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:55:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14229; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:51:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14044; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:51:53 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14038; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:51:50 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-05.usc.edu [128.125.224.5]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id QAA14264; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960904235212.00715088@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 16:52:12 -0700 To: Mark Rees From: Randy Whittle Subject: RE: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 07:13 PM 9/4/96 -0400, Mark Rees wrote: >I have not seen the performance ratings of the 133mhz's at all, have you? The reviews on the 120mhz were that it was slower than a desktop 90mhz.... If my Norton Utils benchmark can be believed, this is true. However, a little more detailed benchmark I have (Wintune 95--maybe a bit old, but should do the job) shows its not quite that bad. Specifically, it shows the CPU at 217 MIPS vs. a Micron Millenia Desktop P120 at 220 MIPS. Whetstone at 65 Mflops vs. 69. Where it flopped bigtime was in video speed, which was about 1/2 that of the desktop machine, as well as a much slower response on retrieval from the Hard Disk and somewhat slower on RAM. However, comparing the same Micron Millenia Desktop in a P100 version, my P120 TP 560 beat it handily in CPU & Whetstone--but again, lagged somewhat (though not as badly) in Video speed & Hard Drive retrieval speed. Basically, this is just the facts of life with respect to buying a notebook machine. These are the tradeoffs you make to have something that weighs 4 lbs. and is as thing as a spiral notebook. It will be the case, to one extent or another, no matter *what* notebook machine you buy. An equivalent CPU on any desktop machine is going to be faster, and sometimes a slower CPU on a desktop, given faster "other" components (video, HD) is going to be faster too. Its a little annoying, but you just have to live with facts--a TFT driven by some basic PCI bus doesn't match up to a hot-rod PCI video accelerator hooked up to a CRT and these tiny little 2.5", 12 mm high drives are built to minimize space, not so much speed. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 21:18:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA056576302; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:18:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19438; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:16:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:14:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19102; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:14:31 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19096; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:14:19 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id 91a10.wrk; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:13:04 PDT Message-Id: <3.0b11.32.19960904181308.0068dac8@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b11 (32) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:13:13 -0700 To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Enhanced video on 755cd/Win95 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm looking for the same thing and even called tech support on it. They were no help with it. I couldn't even get an answer whether or not 95 drivers were being developed for the 755. If anyone has any more info I would appreciate hearing about it. Pat At 03:23 PM 9/4/96 PDT, you wrote: >Are there native windows 95 drivers for the 755cd? My computer is >currently using the regular Western Digital drivers that come on the win95 >cdrom. Now these drivers work fine for everything even at 64k colors, but >when i run the display program under the thinkpad menu and try and enable >enhanced video the computer crashes when it reboots. Looking over the FTP >site I can only find windows 3.1 enhanced video drivers for 755cd, but the >760 and 365 models have windows 95 drivers. > > > > ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 21:18:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA056566302; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:18:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19444; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:17:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:15:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19295; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:15:52 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19277; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:15:48 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id VAA22273; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:15:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:15:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Keyboards (701cs) In-Reply-To: <960822204046_391816823@emout16.mail.aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There was some talk about keyboards a few weeks ago on thinkpads. Last week I got my 701cs back from ez-serve. One of the items replaced was the keyboard. There is a label under the keyboard, visable once the hard drive is removed, that has the part# on it. Below the part# is the following; Made in USA by Keytronic. I don't know what was in it before but this one does feel better IMHO. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 21:56:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062488611; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:56:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22857; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:56:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:53:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22580; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:53:45 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22567; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:53:42 -0400 Received: from alans (philly252.voicenet.com [207.103.16.151]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA02769 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609050155.VAA02769@mail.voicenet.com> From: "Alan Sukiennik" To: Subject: Re: 755CD 586 upgrade ? Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:53:25 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, there A short while ago someone mentioned that there exists a Pentium upgrade for 755CD. Mine is DX4-100 and unbearably slow :( . I'm attached to this thing and would like to speed it up. I tried to look for the MB upgrade and ceased to find it anywhere. Does anyone have any info. as far as the existence of such upgrade (in whatever form)? That'll be much appreciated! Regards, -=alan=- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 23:31:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA079634317; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:31:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00165; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:31:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:28:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29707; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:28:08 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29633; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:27:59 -0400 Received: from nyls2test.btco.com (ppp-17.ts-11.nyc.idt.net [169.132.99.161]) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07540 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:27:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199609050327.XAA07540@chelsea.ios.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Mark M. Ingerman" Organization: Creative Software Solutions To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:13 -0400 Subject: Win95 Suspend lockup Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) I have been having a problem with my 755cx and Win95. Every once and a while, when I am doing some type of long process, the computer goes into suspend mode and then locks up. This only seems to be a problem if the process I am running is a demeon type of process. For example, the recent lockup occurred when I was backing up my machine over the network on to tape. My machine went into suspend mode ( the screen saver came on, and then it blanked ). A little later, the other machine reported an error that the network drive was no longer available. Sure enough, the thinkpad was locked. It was locked to the point that I could not eject it from the docking station. I had to pull the plug on the docking station, lift up the keyboard, and pull the battery. Has anyone seen this before? Any help would be appreciated. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. (508) 394-5899 ingerman@cs2.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 23:32:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA079794336; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:32:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00164; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:31:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:28:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29702; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:28:09 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29631; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:27:59 -0400 Received: from nyls2test.btco.com (ppp-17.ts-11.nyc.idt.net [169.132.99.161]) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA07535 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:27:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199609050327.XAA07535@chelsea.ios.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Mark M. Ingerman" Organization: Creative Software Solutions To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:23:13 -0400 Subject: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) With the recent announcement of NT 4.0 availability, I am pondering installing NT 4.0 on my thinkpad ( certain applications I need won't run under Win95 ). The only problem is that Microsoft seems to be back peddleing on that availability of the notebook power support and the plug and play support. I noticed that Digital is shipping NT 4.0 with its top of the line notebooks. I can only assume that they have written proprietary support. Has anybody heard anything from Mircosoft, IBM, etc. about the availability of these features for older IBM Thinkpad ( e.g. my 755cx ). I would prefer to upgrade, but I don't want to wait for Cairo like Microsoft suggests. Looks like Microsoft has done it again. I am caught between a rock and a hard place. Any input would be appreciated. After all, I may be missinterpreting the trade rags. I would be interested in hearing some pros and cons on Win95 vs. NT 4.0 for Thinkpads. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. (508) 394-5899 ingerman@cs2.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 23:35:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA080024499; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:34:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00588; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:34:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:32:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00278; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:32:52 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00272; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:32:49 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA02188; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:33:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199609050233.UAA02188@aspen.wwsi.com> To: "Mark M. Ingerman" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 Suspend lockup In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 23:23:13 EDT." <199609050327.XAA07540@chelsea.ios.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:33:40 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Mark" == Mark M Ingerman writes: Mark> I have been having a problem with my 755cx and Win95. Every once and a Mark> while, when I am doing some type of long process, the computer goes into Mark> suspend mode and then locks up. This only seems to be a problem if the Mark> process I am running is a demeon type of process. How are your power options set? This is pretty weird; I never had this happen with mine. Are you running Win95 APM with current TP utilities? Mark> It was locked to the point that I could not eject it from the docking Mark> station. I had to pull the plug on the docking station, lift up the Mark> keyboard, and pull the battery. It's actually easier than that. If it's a Dock II, hit the catch under the pinhole on the left side, pull the slider lever, and take it out. ssh -- Steve Hultquist, Founder Engineering the future Worldwide Solutions, Inc. ...with you Boulder, Colorado, USA 303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 23:39:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA080474757; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:39:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00900; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:38:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00817; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:36 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00811; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:37:32 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA02209; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 20:38:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199609050238.UAA02209@aspen.wwsi.com> To: "Mark M. Ingerman" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 1996 23:23:13 EDT." <199609050327.XAA07535@chelsea.ios.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:38:29 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Mark" == Mark M Ingerman writes: Mark> With the recent announcement of NT 4.0 availability, I am pondering Mark> installing NT 4.0 on my thinkpad ( certain applications I need won't run Mark> under Win95 ). The only problem is that Microsoft seems to be back Mark> peddleing on that availability of the notebook power support and the Mark> plug and play support. There is no plug and play or APM in NT 4.0 (I'm running it as one of the two OSs on my CX right now). There doesn't seem to be any NT 4.0 support for Thinkpads, yet, either, and I don't know if the current NT utilities will run under 4.0. Be forewarned that it takes more memory than 95, but it's also more stable. Mark> Looks like Microsoft has done it again. I am caught between a rock and Mark> a hard place. Any input would be appreciated. After all, I may be Mark> missinterpreting the trade rags. I would be interested in hearing some Mark> pros and cons on Win95 vs. NT 4.0 for Thinkpads. Run Linux (the other OS I run on my CX)? ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 23:44:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA081465043; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:44:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01414; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:43:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:42:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01320; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:42:21 -0400 Received: from xantham.king.net (xantham.king.net [206.41.180.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01312; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:42:12 -0400 Received: from don by xantham.king.net (8.7.5/SMI-XANTHAM-1.11) id WAA03676; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:41:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:40:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Tait X-Sender: rickt@don To: Steve Hultquist Cc: "Mark M. Ingerman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <199609050238.UAA02209@aspen.wwsi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I thought MS did indeed include limited plug n play at the last minute in NT 4.0???? -Rick On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Steve Hultquist wrote: > >>>>> "Mark" == Mark M Ingerman writes: > > Mark> With the recent announcement of NT 4.0 availability, I am pondering > Mark> installing NT 4.0 on my thinkpad ( certain applications I need won't run > Mark> under Win95 ). The only problem is that Microsoft seems to be back > Mark> peddleing on that availability of the notebook power support and the > Mark> plug and play support. > > There is no plug and play or APM in NT 4.0 (I'm running it as one of the two > OSs on my CX right now). There doesn't seem to be any NT 4.0 support for > Thinkpads, yet, either, and I don't know if the current NT utilities will run > under 4.0. Be forewarned that it takes more memory than 95, but it's also more > stable. > > Mark> Looks like Microsoft has done it again. I am caught between a rock and > Mark> a hard place. Any input would be appreciated. After all, I may be > Mark> missinterpreting the trade rags. I would be interested in hearing some > Mark> pros and cons on Win95 vs. NT 4.0 for Thinkpads. > > Run Linux (the other OS I run on my CX)? > > ssh > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 4 23:58:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083455925; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:58:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02551; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:57:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02439; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:55:59 -0400 Received: from lotus.lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02430; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:55:55 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com by lotus.lotus.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA08226; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:51:43 -0400 Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08685; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:48:09 -0400 Message-Id: <9609050348.AA08685@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id 769B9F398B26A5388525639C001400C2; Wed, 4 Sep 96 23:48:07 EDT To: "Mark M. Ingerman" Cc: Thinkpad From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 4 Sep 96 23:50:56 EDT Subject: Re: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain When I'm not running my preferred OS, OS/2 Warp Merlin, I have NT 4.0 on my machine. OS/2's support for PCMCIA is significantly better than NT as is the PNP support (however, although Merlin's support is much better it does not measure up to Win95's PNP support, NT is not even on the playing field). If I had to run a Windows variant, it would be NT 4.0 definitely over Win95. NT rarely crashes and has enough support for my 755CX (810HD, 40MB) to keep me relatively happy. However, don't forget to get the IBM TP utilities or your power will be consumed at an alarming rate (about 2-3 faster w/o the utilities). MWave is working fine ... PCMCIA works but does not allow 'hot' use of the cards, you need to power down to change'em, unlike Warp and Win95. The biggest complaint I have is that I can only get 256 colors regardless of resolution whereas I can get 64k at 800x600 on OS/2. Installation was not entirely painless but is bearable if you use a docking station with a CD. Good luck .... -Bill ingerman @ chelsea.ios.com ("Mark M. Ingerman") 09/04/96 11:23 PM To: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad With the recent announcement of NT 4.0 availability, I am pondering installing NT 4.0 on my thinkpad ( certain applications I need won't run under Win95 ). The only problem is that Microsoft seems to be back peddleing on that availability of the notebook power support and the plug and play support. I noticed that Digital is shipping NT 4.0 with its top of the line notebooks. I can only assume that they have written proprietary support. Has anybody heard anything from Mircosoft, IBM, etc. about the availability of these features for older IBM Thinkpad ( e.g. my 755cx ). I would prefer to upgrade, but I don't want to wait for Cairo like Microsoft suggests. Looks like Microsoft has done it again. I am caught between a rock and a hard place. Any input would be appreciated. After all, I may be missinterpreting the trade rags. I would be interested in hearing some pros and cons on Win95 vs. NT 4.0 for Thinkpads. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. (508) 394-5899 ingerman@cs2.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 00:02:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083876138; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:02:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02818; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:57:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02559; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:57:46 -0400 Received: from onyx.southwind.net (abcjr@onyx.southwind.net [204.95.83.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02553; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:57:43 -0400 Received: (from abcjr@localhost) by onyx.southwind.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) id WAA00130; Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:55:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:55:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Arnold B. Cavazos, Jr." To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anyone have a 32MB SO-DIMM running in their 701??? In-Reply-To: <199609041710.MAA00395@enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been looking into this option myself. The following page proves that it is possible and also lists vendors of the 32Meg chip: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/butterfly/memory.html Your milage may vary..... ---------------------------------------------------------- Arnold Cavazos, Jr. abcjr@southwind.net SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. ____ ___ ____ ___ ____ Technical Support |__| |__] | | |__/ support@southwind.net | | |__] |___ __| | \ On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Gene J wrote: > Hi! > > Does Anyone actually have a 32MB SO-DIMM running in their > ThinkPad 701??? > > If so do you have any comments, problems, or recommendations? > > Also, where did you get your 32MB SO-DIMM and how much? > > I assume it must be a 70ns/3.3v SO-DIMM, right? > > Thanks in Advance... > -- > Gene > http://www.enteract.com/~blue > > "While the past affords us the opportunity to learn > many useful lessons that can be applied in the > present, we can also gain insight for today by > giving some thoughtful consideration as to what > lies ahead for us in the future." > From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Sep 5 06:26:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA125309177; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 06:26:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29631; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:30:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:25:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28015; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:25:27 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27991; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:25:23 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA27803; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:25:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19056; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:25:08 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA22311; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:25:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:25:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: Steve Hultquist Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Win 95 RAM Usage In-Reply-To: <199609041431.IAA05336@aspen.wwsi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Not exactly. The question is how much of the *physical* memory is used versus > swapping to disk. Physical memory -- especially in notebooks with slow disks -- > is much faster than paged memory. If you can keep most of your work in RAM > instead of swap, everything will be faster. Hell, physical memory even in notebooks with FAST disks is still much faster than swap. Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 09:00:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141568429; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:00:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14715; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:58:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:49:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13054; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:49:00 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13044; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:48:56 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA20637 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:48:45 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:48:45 GMT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 08:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Windows NT 3.5 on Thinkpad 701 In-Reply-To: <9609050348.AA08685@internet1.lotus.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have in front of me a sealed box containing NT 3.5 and am contemplating installing it on the 701. Actually, what I'm contemplating are the trials and tribulations to be faced in installing and using NT. The IBM web has a file of video drivers for NT3.5 for the 701 but nothing else (there is stuff for other TPs but none of it ref's the 701). Has anyone installed and still run this version of NT on a 701 and willing to share the experience, esp. the problems and their solutions. In case it matters the 701 is a CS/DX4/75 w/24M RAM and 400 meg of free hard disk space and is currently running PC6.3/Win3.11 and I would like to keep that around for awhile and be able to boot either system. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 09:52:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA148521535; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:52:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20208; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:50:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:49:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19808; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:49:01 -0400 Received: from lotus.lotus.com (lotus.com [192.233.136.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19779; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:48:51 -0400 Received: from internet1.lotus.com by lotus.lotus.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA23872; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:44:45 -0400 Received: by internet1.lotus.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19626; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:41:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9609051341.AA19626@internet1.lotus.com> Received: by Lotus (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V.03 Beta) id A4AFC80DD03901368525639C0048130B; Thu, 5 Sep 96 09:41:09 EDT To: Rob Huber Cc: Thinkpad From: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus Date: 5 Sep 96 9:43:21 EDT Subject: Re: Windows NT 3.5 on Thinkpad 701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Unless you're willing to live w/o virtually any TP features, I would not install NT 3.51. NT 4.0 is a better choice but you're a little shy on horsepower .... Try OS/2 or Win95. You'll be happier. If you were going to NT for its stability, give OS/2 a look. It's a helluva lot more stable than Win95 especially if you still have a lot of Win3.1 apps ... Enjoy ... -Bill rhuber @ interactive.visa.com (Rob Huber) 09-05-96 08:47 AM To: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Bill Abt/CAM/Lotus) Subject: Windows NT 3.5 on Thinkpad 701 I have in front of me a sealed box containing NT 3.5 and am contemplating installing it on the 701. Actually, what I'm contemplating are the trials and tribulations to be faced in installing and using NT. The IBM web has a file of video drivers for NT3.5 for the 701 but nothing else (there is stuff for other TPs but none of it ref's the 701). Has anyone installed and still run this version of NT on a 701 and willing to share the experience, esp. the problems and their solutions. In case it matters the 701 is a CS/DX4/75 w/24M RAM and 400 meg of free hard disk space and is currently running PC6.3/Win3.11 and I would like to keep that around for awhile and be able to boot either system. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 10:31:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA153903883; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:31:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24002; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:29:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:27:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23790; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:26:57 -0400 Received: from wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (wdl1.wdl.lmco.com [137.249.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23784; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:26:53 -0400 Received: from ([158.185.126.12]) by wdl1.wdl.lmco.com (5.x/WDL-4.01-LMCO) id AA02279; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:26:29 -0700 Message-Id: <322EE3DB.615E@conic.lmco.com> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 07:29:47 -0700 From: Tom Franklin Organization: Lockheed Martin Telemetry & Instrumentation X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: IBM 720MB 2.5" Laptop Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBM 720MB 12.5mm Laptop Hard Drive -- $220 -Model #DBOA-2720 -720MB Capacity -13 ms Access Time -12.5mm Thick -EIDE Mode 3 -No Bad Sectors -Perfect Condition Pulled from Thinkpad laptop, but will work in many others. 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For details check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/dboa/dboatek.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 10:54:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA157825254; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:54:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26576; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:50:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26262; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:50:14 -0400 Received: from SLONUNX01.3-SOFT.com (root@SLONUNX01.3-SOFT.COM [205.236.174.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26200; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:50:06 -0400 Received: from smtp.3-SOFT.com (smtp.3-SOFT.com [205.236.174.119]) by SLONUNX01.3-SOFT.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id KAA06428 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:49:52 -0400 Received: by smtp.3-SOFT.com with Microsoft Mail id <322EFDA6@smtp.3-SOFT.com>; Thu, 05 Sep 96 09:19:50 PDT From: Jorge Mariano To: thinkpad Subject: WTB: 2.x gig HD for 760ED Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 10:55:00 PDT Message-Id: <322EFDA6@smtp.3-SOFT.com> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I would like to buy a 2.x gig hd for my Thinkpad 760ED. Is there anyone who knows where I can get one ? or if you know a couple of places who sell them ? Thanks, Jorge Mariano Certified LAN Server Expert, Certified LAN Server Administrator, BESTeam Professional Member Lan Server Software Specialist, Warp Server Software Specialist SystemView for OS/2 Software Specialist Membre de / Member of : Equipe OS/2 - Team OS/2 Les Utilisateurs d'OS/2 de - Montreal - OS/2 Users Group From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 11:56:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA168558998; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:56:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02268; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:52:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:48:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01686; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:48:05 -0400 Received: from ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu (ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01676; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:47:59 -0400 Received: from dial121.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF V5.0-7 #11488) id <01I947W38W6O8X9RK0@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:44:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:44:27 -0500 (CDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu From: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) Subject: RE: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb X-Sender: gramlijf@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I947W3VEDE8X9RK0@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > Basically, this is just the facts of life with respect to buying a >notebook machine. These are the tradeoffs you make to have something that >weighs 4 lbs. and is as thing as a spiral notebook. It will be the case, to >one extent or another, no matter *what* notebook machine you buy. An >equivalent CPU on any desktop machine is going to be faster, and sometimes a >slower CPU on a desktop, given faster "other" components (video, HD) is >going to be faster too. I think you are being to kind to the ibm. Several magazines have done comparison tests with other notebooks, and found the ibm lagging behind. In most cases the difference was attributable to the lack of an L2 cache, which in my opinion was a crucial and unbelievable mistake by ibm. It's a nice box, but it is slow in relative terms, even compared to other similar notebooks. I don't disagree with your premise, ie, that notebooks are usually slower than comparable desktops, but there's more to it with the 560. Take the compaq armada, for example. In its stripped down configuration, it weighs only 5 pounds, yet with an L2 cache should be much faster than a similarly equipped 560. Unless .9 lbs. is that crucial, why would one buy the ibm? Jim Gramling From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 12:18:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA173330311; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:18:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04488; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:14:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:12:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04134; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:12:35 -0400 Received: from ns.northern.edu (NS.NORTHERN.EDU [198.180.229.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04128; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:12:27 -0400 Received: from msgtwy.northern.edu by ns.northern.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA09532; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:06:43 -0500 Received: by msgtwy.northern.edu with Microsoft Mail id <322EFC82@msgtwy.northern.edu>; Thu, 05 Sep 96 11:14:58 CDT From: "Duszenko, Andrzej" To: "'smtp:THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Iomega Zip drive and more Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 11:12:00 CDT Message-Id: <322EFC82@msgtwy.northern.edu> Encoding: 25 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I am new to the list. I have a 701c DX4 75 Mhz with 24 MB RAM, running Windows 95. I have two unrelated questions and a request. 1. I am considering buying the Iomega Zip drive to use for extra storage as well as HD backup. The drive is available with either a parallel or SCSI interface. What are the relative advantages and disadvantages of the two? Which would be a better choice in my situation? 2. My second question concerns the software shipped with the machine. I seem to recall seeing a remark that the speakerphone in FaxWorks can dial a number listed in the Lotus Organizer addressbook. Is this indeed the case, and if so, how can I accomplish that? 3. The request concerns the on-line ThinkPad User's Guide. My copy was accidentally erased in the process of changing the OS. Could somebody send me the file as an e-mail attachment? To save bandwith, please contact me prior to sending the file. I will post a note in this list as soon as I have received the Guide. Thanks. ________________ Andrzej Duszenko duszenko@wolf.northern.edu http://lupus.northern.edu/duszenko/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 12:21:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA173870511; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:21:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04465; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:14:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:11:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04071; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:11:47 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04061; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:11:43 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05562; Thu, 5 Sep 96 12:07:53 EDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 12:07:53 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609051607.AA05562@nile.gnat.com> To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb "I think you are being to kind to the ibm. Several magazines have done comparison tests with other notebooks, and found the ibm lagging behind. In most cases the difference was attributable to the lack of an L2 cache, which in my opinion was a crucial and unbelievable mistake by ibm." If you want a super light notebook, you expect more compromises. Note that the benchmarks I have seen place the 760CE 133MHz at the top of the performance scale, slightly ahead of the Tecra. "Unless .9 lbs is that crucial, why would buy the ibm?" The answer is that for people buying the 560, the weight is crucial indeed. if you are willing to deal with an extra 2 pounds or so, you do much better with one of the full featured notebooks in my opinion. I am not saying that it is silly to be concerned with the weight. If you have to lug your machine around much, you quickly appreciate the difference that even 0.9 lbs can make. By the way what screen is on the Armada? Is it comparable to the 560? because that of course is the other big appeal of the 560, it is a super light machine with a very nice screen. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 12:25:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA174530750; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:25:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05718; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:21:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:19:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05398; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:19:44 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05345; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:19:33 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07449; Thu, 5 Sep 96 12:15:33 EDT Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 12:15:33 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609051615.AA07449@nile.gnat.com> To: JO1MA@smtp.3-soft.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 2.x gig HD for 760ED road warrior has 2.x gigi hd's for a variety of notebooks, including tp's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 12:34:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA176441264; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:34:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06564; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:28:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06432; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:27:13 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06393; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:26:56 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 17:31:58 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960905153158.00669f28@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 11:31:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: holy war, was: Windows NT 3.5 on Thinkpad 701 At 09:43 05.09.96 EDT, you wrote: >[...] Try OS/2 or Win95. You'll be happier. If you were going to >NT for its stability, give OS/2 a look. It's a helluva lot more stable than >Win95 especially if you still have a lot of Win3.1 apps ... >Enjoy ... > -Bill without wanting to start a holy war (that's already going on...), whaddaya mean helluva lot more stable? how much more stable than no crashes at all do you get? the only thing might be slightly better multitasking and better security... (nt over 95). axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 13:22:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA187764175; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:22:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10743; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:17:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:15:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10495; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:15:28 -0400 Received: from sgigate.sgi.com (sgigate.SGI.COM [204.94.209.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10462; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:15:16 -0400 Received: from specular.tor.aw.sgi.com by sgigate.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406a.SGI) for id KAA06176; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:13:50 -0700 Received: by specular.tor.aw.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA09152 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:11:22 -0400 From: "Eugene Fiume" Message-Id: <9609051311.ZM9150@specular.tor.aw.sgi.com> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:11:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: Axel Hartmann "holy war, was: Windows NT 3.5 on Thinkpad 701" (Sep 5, 11:31am) References: <1.5.4.32.19960905153158.00669f28@129.13.95.1> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows NT vs. 95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sorry for the naive and slightly off-topic question (my standard "I'm a UNIX bozo" apology). To what extent, if any, are commercial 16 and 32 bit Windows '95 applications compliant with NT? Eugene Fiume. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 13:30:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA189104623; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:30:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11666; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:26:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:24:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11372; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:24:46 -0400 Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11366; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:24:43 -0400 Received: from mkoexc2.mko.dec.com by mail11.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id NAA26698; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mkoexc2.mko.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BB9B2D.2545DDF0@mkoexc2.mko.dec.com>; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:21:28 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'Mark M. Ingerman'" , "'Steve Hultquist'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Win95 Suspend lockup Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:18:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do ot remember seeing the original thread but I know that there is a KNOWN problem with 760's (E and ED) with locking up when you come out of suspend or hibernation mode if you have a Modem in the PCMCIA slot or you do not use the IBM PCIC driver. First thing to try is to make sure that the IBM driver is installed (check device manager in system properties). If not you need to change the driver to the IBM one. If the IBM driver is installed you will need to remember to remove the MODEM from the PCMCIA slot BEFORE you go into suspend. I have an open call with IBM on this and I hope that a fix is forthcoming. I hope this helps!!! Gary Microsoft ClubWin ---------- From: Steve Hultquist[SMTP:ssh@wwsi.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 1996 10:34 PM To: Mark M. Ingerman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 Suspend lockup >>>>> "Mark" == Mark M Ingerman writes: Mark> I have been having a problem with my 755cx and Win95. Every once and a Mark> while, when I am doing some type of long process, the computer goes into Mark> suspend mode and then locks up. This only seems to be a problem if the Mark> process I am running is a demeon type of process. How are your power options set? This is pretty weird; I never had this happen with mine. Are you running Win95 APM with current TP utilities? Mark> It was locked to the point that I could not eject it from the docking Mark> station. I had to pull the plug on the docking station, lift up the Mark> keyboard, and pull the battery. It's actually easier than that. If it's a Dock II, hit the catch under the pinhole on the left side, pull the slider lever, and take it out. ssh -- Steve Hultquist, Founder Engineering the future Worldwide Solutions, Inc. ...with you Boulder, Colorado, USA 303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 14:39:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA204478765; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:39:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17603; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:34:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:32:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17104; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:32:03 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17098; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:31:58 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uyjBh-0000wgC; Thu, 5 Sep 96 14:30 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 14:30 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: duszenko@wolf.northern.edu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <322EFC82@msgtwy.northern.edu> (duszenko@wolf.northern.edu) Subject: Re: Iomega Zip drive and more On the SCSI version: One annoying thing about the SCSI version of the Iomega Zip drive is that it is not strictly SCSI compatible. By that I mean it has two DB25F sockets rather than using C50F or Mini-Micro High Density SCSI-2; i.e., only 25 of the 50 lines are being used. This is probably not too critical if it is the only device on the chain. Incidentally, you can only select SCSI IDs 5 and 6. An associated problem is choosing a SCSI PC Card (unless you already have one). There are not that many available and only a small subset are supported under Win95, OS/2, and Linux. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 14:39:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA204578791; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:39:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17582; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:34:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:32:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17198; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:32:52 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17192; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:32:48 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA07708; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:32:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FYI: Prices Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got a quote from CDW for the following items: SIMPLE TECH. 16MB RAM for IBM TP 750 or 755 $200.00 Betters the best previous price I've seen by $20. TOSHIBA MK1926FCV 810MB IDE HARD DRIVE $295.00 But not in stock at the moment. Previous best price not in stock(Bason): $259 Previous best price in stock (Dirt Cheap Drives): $319 (My TP750P with 4MB RAM and 170MD disk will be like new.) On a side note, Hitachi makes these hard drives: (as found on http://www.hitachi.com/Products/Comprod/Harddisk/harddisk.html) DK223A-81 810 MB ATA-2 2.5-inch 12.7 mm DK223A-11 1.08GB ATA-2 2.5-inch 12.7 mm Has anyone seen these for sale? (Alta Vista failed miserably.) Consan, Marshall Industries, and Western Micro are authorized distributors. I can't find the reference now, but prices should be near or below Toshiba prices in quantity. Has anyone got one in their ThinkPad? Chris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 16:20:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA224054825; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:20:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28240; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:15:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28012; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:12:12 -0400 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27986; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:12:07 -0400 From: Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01862 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:11:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:11:30 -0400 Message-Id: <960905161114_278075414@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CD 586 upgrade ? We can upgrade the TP755 DX4/100 up to 133mzh with the AMD 5X86 DX4/133 processor. The 486 line cannot be upgraded to a Pentium processor, but it can be made to have the equivalent response time. There are also Hard Drive, RAM, and CPU upgrades for this system and many other Thinkpads. Please contact me if you need more information. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 2.1GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com/pep ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: 755CD 586 upgrade ? Date: 96-09-04 21:55:39 EDT From: alans@voicenet.com (Alan Sukiennik) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Hi, there A short while ago someone mentioned that there exists a Pentium upgrade for 755CD. Mine is DX4-100 and unbearably slow :( . I'm attached to this thing and would like to speed it up. I tried to look for the MB upgrade and ceased to find it anywhere. Does anyone have any info. as far as the existence of such upgrade (in whatever form)? That'll be much appreciated! Regards, -=alan=- ----------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 16:52:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA229666769; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:52:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01546; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:46:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01366; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:46:26 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01359; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:46:21 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-17.usc.edu [128.125.224.89]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id NAA06908; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960905204628.00afeef4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:46:28 -0700 To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 09:57 AM 9/5/96 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >Are you saying the 560 is lighter than the 701? What do >you mean when you say it carries cleaner in your backpack? >The 701 is definitely somewhat smaller... I've been thinking >of getting a 701 if I happen to see one cheap enough (my "real" >computer is a 755cx)... First, you should know I think the 701 is a *wonderful* machine. Indeed, I had a hard time letting go of it to give to my wife while I switched over to the 560. But yes, the 560 *is* indeed lighter than the 701--by 1/2 lb. or more (the 560 is 4.1 lbs.--the 701 is--I think--about 4.7 lbs. or more). Size-wize, the 701 is physically smaller in terms of height & width, but in thickness, the 560 has it beat handily--only 1.2" (and of course, I already mentioned the weight thing). By "fit" in my backpack, let me describe it this way: If you've ever been a college student (perhaps even High School), you'll know what I'm talking about: Carrying all those spiral-bound notebooks was no big deal, right? But remember having to carry that thick Calculus, Chemistry, etc. type book? Even though the weight is very close to the same (though I have to say that 1/2 lb. makes a BIG difference to me), the 560 carries "cleaner" in my backback because its more like that spiral notebook--larger, but thinner. The 701, by contrast, is more like that calculus book--smaller, but thicker. In my backpack, the 701 seems like a brick, while the 560 seems like a heavy/dense spiral notebook. It leaves more space for other stuff, etc. Other notebooks, etc. can be fit into the backpack cleaner along with it too. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 20:25:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA268589535; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:25:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17039; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:24:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:21:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16864; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:21:16 -0400 Received: from nic.wat.hookup.net (root@nic.wat.hookup.net [198.133.162.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16857; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:21:06 -0400 Received: from jjames.wat.hookup.net (jjames.wat.hookup.net [198.133.162.54]) by nic.wat.hookup.net (8.7.5/1.148) with SMTP id UAA14899; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jjames.wat.hookup.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9B67.7118AD40@jjames.wat.hookup.net>; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:18:46 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB9B67.7118AD40@jjames.wat.hookup.net> From: Jerry James To: "duszenko@wolf.northern.edu" , "'David Jones'" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Iomega Zip drive and more Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:17:56 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am using the zip drive on a maxed out SCSI chain. Mixed connectors, = including 25 pin, 50 pin low denisity and 50 pin high density, mixed = cables (flat ID and twisted pair). Chain includes wide fast = controller(adaptec 2940 w), wide fast hard drive (segate), zip, jazz, 2 = cdroms, and 2 scanners (whew). Everything runs just fine thank you. = Don't sweat it, if you need 100Mb of cheap, quick online storage; buy = it, it works and it works well. Just make sure you have good cables and = proper termination and you'll be happy as a clam. On the SCSI PC card side, use adaptec slim scisi. It works well and it = works with everything. Don't dick around and try to save $20., get the = best and save your time for more important things. Jerry ---------- From: David Jones[SMTP:jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 1996 2:30 PM To: duszenko@wolf.northern.edu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Iomega Zip drive and more On the SCSI version: One annoying thing about the SCSI version of the Iomega Zip drive is that it is not strictly SCSI compatible. By that I mean it has two DB25F sockets rather than using C50F or Mini-Micro High Density SCSI-2; i.e., only 25 of the 50 lines are being used. This is probably not too critical if it is the only device on the chain. Incidentally, you can only select SCSI IDs 5 and 6. An associated problem is choosing a SCSI PC Card (unless you already have one). There are not that many available and only a small subset are supported under Win95, OS/2, and Linux. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 21:17:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA274822621; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:17:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21436; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:15:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:13:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21027; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:13:06 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@[206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21021; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:12:59 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_27.enteract.com (dialin_7_27.enteract.com [206.54.253.106]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id UAA28111 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:12:38 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701, win95 and Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 01:12:48 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <322f69ff.2754626@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Anyone using this drive (the 2X) with their 701? USA Flex is selling refurbed ones with a 2 year warranty for $140, so I figured what the hell. I'm hoping to hear it's plug and play withWindows95 and works well with the 701. The salesman didn't know. Also, is the scsi card proprietary or does it work with other devices? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 21:39:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA277993984; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:39:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23222; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:38:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:36:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22979; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:36:38 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22973; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 21:36:34 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uypoo-0000xTC; Thu, 5 Sep 96 21:34 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 96 21:34 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <322f69ff.2754626@smtp.enteract.com> (epbrown@enteract.com) Subject: Re: 701, win95 and Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM The 'factory refurbished' Panasonic CD-ROM that USA FLEX is selling for $149 is the KXL-D720. I have run it without trouble under DOS/Win3.1 on the 701. I believe there is a Win95 driver on the Panasonic web page though I haven't tried it. The CD-ROM has a single female mini high density SCSI-2 socket, thus the cable from the PC Card is a high density SCSI-2 male. It should work with other SCSI devices although I haven't tried it yet. I have an Iomega Zip, but I need additional cables/adapters to make the appropriate connections. The down side: the PC Card is not supported under OS/2 or Linux. Is it proprietary? Well that's a good question. I have been trying for months to get information out of Panasonic to let me program it with little success. Regards, David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 22:03:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA282335383; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:03:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24947; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:02:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:00:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24612; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:00:19 -0400 Received: from mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (mail.Herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24578; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:00:11 -0400 Received: from zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (baiti@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.100]) by mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA29725 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 03:59:09 +0200 Received: (from baiti@localhost) by zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA07191 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:42:18 +0200 From: Friedemann Baitinger Message-Id: <199609052242.AAA07191@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> Subject: multiple different tcp/ip settings To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing-List) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 00:42:17 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi there, i'm new to the thinkpad world. until now i always had a pc directly attached to some network. no i am in the situation that i want to connect the TP to a Token Ring network at work and to an Ethernet network at home and probably to the internet via Dialup Adapter from some place around the world. I'm running win95 for that purpose (linux for other purposes), defining the connections is relatively easy to do, however, i noticed that i can only define one set of TCP/IP settings such as: - hostname - domain - gateway to me it would make a lot more sense if these data would be specific to a given connection such as T/R, E'net, Dialup ... does anybody know a way how to achieve this? (This must be a FAQ! I apologize in advance but i really haven't been in this situation until recently). thanks for your help. -- Friedemann Baitinger baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 22:29:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA286776952; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:29:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27000; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:28:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:26:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26874; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:26:44 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26867; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:26:41 -0400 Received: from alans (phila105-pri.voicenet.com [207.103.31.105]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id WAA03244; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609060228.WAA03244@mail.voicenet.com> From: "Alan Sukiennik" To: "Friedemann Baitinger" , "ThinkPad Mailing-List" Subject: Re: multiple different tcp/ip settings Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:25:52 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have to bind IP separately to each adapter with the appropriate settings, such as hostname, DNS, gateway, e.t.c. -=alan=- ---------- > From: Friedemann Baitinger > To: ThinkPad Mailing-List > Subject: multiple different tcp/ip settings > Date: Thursday, September 05, 1996 6:42 PM > > hi there, > i'm new to the thinkpad world. until now i always had a pc directly > attached to some network. no i am in the situation that i want to > connect the TP to a Token Ring network at work and to an Ethernet > network at home and probably to the internet via Dialup Adapter from > some place around the world. > > I'm running win95 for that purpose (linux for other purposes), defining > the connections is relatively easy to do, however, i noticed that i > can only define one set of TCP/IP settings such as: > > - hostname > - domain > - gateway > > to me it would make a lot more sense if these data would be specific > to a given connection such as T/R, E'net, Dialup ... > > does anybody know a way how to achieve this? (This must be a FAQ! I > apologize in advance but i really haven't been in this situation until > recently). > > thanks for your help. > > -- > Friedemann Baitinger baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 23:03:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA294498998; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:03:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29551; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:02:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:00:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29385; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:00:46 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29370; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:00:43 -0400 Received: (from buffingt@localhost) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) id UAA20310; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609060300.UAA20310@scf-fs.usc.edu> From: "Roger J. Buffington" To: "TP750list" Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 20:01:38 -0700 Reply-To: "Roger J. Buffington" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Roger J. Buffington's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe ----------------------------------- Roger J. Buffington USC Law, Class of '97 ----------------------------- W6VZV Go Trojans!! WARPing with PM-Mail "If you run with wolves, howl like them." English folk proverb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 5 23:28:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA298180502; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:28:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01299; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:27:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:25:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01166; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:25:54 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01154; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:25:49 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA04472; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 20:26:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199609060226.UAA04472@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Friedemann Baitinger Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing-List) Subject: Re: multiple different tcp/ip settings In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 1996 00:42:17 +0200." <199609052242.AAA07191@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 20:26:35 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Friedemann" == Friedemann Baitinger writes: Friedemann> I'm running win95 for that purpose (linux for other purposes), Friedemann> defining the connections is relatively easy to do, however, i Friedemann> noticed that i can only define one set of TCP/IP settings such as: Friedemann> - hostname - domain - gateway Friedemann> to me it would make a lot more sense if these data would be Friedemann> specific to a given connection such as T/R, E'net, Dialup ... You might want to pick up the TCP/IP Switcher shareware. It makes it pretty easy to do this (and no rebooting!). ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 01:20:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA016917225; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:20:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08575; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:19:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:16:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08408; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:16:13 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08394; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:16:02 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id MAA17854; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:33:59 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uysEm-0002AbC; Fri, 6 Sep 96 12:09 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA00248; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:02:51 +0800 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:02:51 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Randy Whittle Cc: Paul Rubin , tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960905204628.00afeef4@scf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi ! > First, you should know I think the 701 is a *wonderful* machine. > Indeed, I had a hard time letting go of it to give to my wife while I > switched over to the 560. I agree, it's a wonderful machine. I have a 701 too, though only a 486DX4/75, I rather keep it then upgrade to a 560. > But yes, the 560 *is* indeed lighter than the 701--by 1/2 lb. or > more (the 560 is 4.1 lbs.--the 701 is--I think--about 4.7 lbs. or more). One thing, the 560 seems to be designed like the shape of a file, the weight is very evenly distributed and FEELS hell lighter. > Size-wize, the 701 is physically smaller in terms of height & width, > but in thickness, the 560 has it beat handily--only 1.2" (and of course, I > already mentioned the weight thing). > By "fit" in my backpack, let me describe it this way: If you've > ever been a college student (perhaps even High School), you'll know what I'm > talking about: Carrying all those spiral-bound notebooks was no big deal, > right? But remember having to carry that thick Calculus, Chemistry, etc. > type book? For me its different. I'm a college student and the 701 being smaller in size (the 560 is so wide), it fits nicely into any bag I have. It's also easier to squeeze into a small locker or drawer. Currently my 701 sits in its own casing. I got a Zip Case that was supposed to hold the Sega Game Gear, catriadges and adapter. I ripped out the plastic molded holders and tada ! I had a nice 701C casing with space for the adapter + multiport/spare battery ! Why can't they make new 701s with PENTIUM chips in them..... :( Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 01:28:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA018237689; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:28:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09079; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:27:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:26:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08961; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:26:27 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08953; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:26:24 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA10798; Fri, 6 Sep 96 01:22:36 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 01:22:36 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609060522.AA10798@nile.gnat.com> To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: phr@netcom.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu " Why can't they make new 701s with PENTIUM chips in them..... :(" my understanding was that the market indicated that the large screens were considered essential by most users (sitting here with a 12.4" 768x1024 TFT screen, I certainly agree with that), and 701 was simply too small a form factor to accomodate screens larger than 10.4". From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 02:31:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA025261487; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 02:31:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10497; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:57:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:55:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10332; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:55:41 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10290; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:55:24 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx13-18.teleport.com [206.163.123.18]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA07686; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 22:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609060554.WAA07686@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 01:22 AM 9/6/96 EDT, you wrote: >" Why can't they make new 701s with PENTIUM chips in them..... :(" > >my understanding was that the market indicated that the large screens were >considered essential by most users (sitting here with a 12.4" 768x1024 TFT >screen, I certainly agree with that), and 701 was simply too small a form >factor to accomodate screens larger than 10.4". > >That's what I read in InfoWorld last year.....larger screens.... I think that what a lot of people are saying that they just really like the 701. I have also been delighted. BUT-if only it had a built in 28.8 modem and a Pentium! The design is sweet. the size is delightful and the butterfly keyboard actually works quite well. There are a lot of laptops out there but I loved the size and feel of the 701 the first time I ever saw one where I could put my hands on it. It is a unique machine out there in own nitch. If ever there was a machine that IBM should grace with an upgrade board it is this one. I think it should be in the Museum of Modern Art... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 04:06:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA037007189; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 04:06:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21578; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 04:05:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 04:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21080; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 04:02:17 -0400 Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [36.33.0.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21066; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 04:02:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.Stanford.EDU [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA10368; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 01:01:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Annelise Anderson To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XJEM3288 Modem Problem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi--I've got a new XMEM3288 Megahertz modem on my t-pad 560, which came installed with Win95. I can't make it dial from an old dos favorite, ProComm Plus 2.1, or >from ProComm Plus for Windows (3.1)-- Am I missing something (ProComm 2.1 for Windows doesn't list this modem so I selected one that sounded similar)? Neither of these programs seems to be able to find the modem, even though I've told them it's on com 1. I imagine I'll have the same problem with Quicken for dos-- The modem works fine with dial-up networking and I'd love to have it work with the dos programs, not just because I hate to have to buy new programs, but because I really like the dos stuff. Thanks-- Annelise From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 10:26:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA082969954; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:25:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29702; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:22:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:12:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28133; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:12:33 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp1.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28126; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:12:22 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uz1l7-0002ArC; Fri, 6 Sep 96 22:19 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id SAA00156; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:59:45 +0800 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:59:44 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: Robert Dewar Cc: whittle@usc.edu, phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 In-Reply-To: <9609060522.AA10798@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > " Why can't they make new 701s with PENTIUM chips in them..... :(" > > my understanding was that the market indicated that the large screens were > considered essential by most users (sitting here with a 12.4" 768x1024 TFT > screen, I certainly agree with that), and 701 was simply too small a form > factor to accomodate screens larger than 10.4". yeah.. thats wat I heard too.. but then how about making an ULTRA portable, small as a 701, thick as a 560, and power of a 760 :) Dream machine... Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 10:27:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083130045; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:27:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29698; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:22:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:19:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29032; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:19:36 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29024; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:19:32 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22141; Fri, 6 Sep 96 10:15:44 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 10:15:44 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609061415.AA22141@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu " yeah.. thats wat I heard too.. but then how about making an ULTRA portable, small as a 701, thick as a 560, and power of a 760 :) Dream machine..." Well dreams differ, but for me, I would prefer the maximum possible sized screen. Low weight is important, but I see no advantage in the smaller length and width of the 701 for my use. As I suggested before, a nice idea would be to make a standard form factor notebook, i.e. 560 size, but use the folding keyboard technology to give a full keyboard with numeric pad and standard keys, and breathing room. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 10:31:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA084950264; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:31:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00469; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:28:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:27:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00191; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:26:59 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00170; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:26:55 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id HAA10317; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:26:41 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma842019998.010313; Fri Sep 6 07:26:38 1996 Received: (from perley@localhost) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) id HAA20337; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:26:37 -0700 From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199609061426.HAA20337@cds9258.cadence.com> Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg (Elvin) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 7:26:36 PDT Cc: dewar@gnat.com, whittle@usc.edu, phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Elvin" at Sep 6, 96 6:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > my understanding was that the market indicated that the large screens were > > considered essential by most users (sitting here with a 12.4" 768x1024 TFT > > screen, I certainly agree with that), and 701 was simply too small a form > > factor to accomodate screens larger than 10.4". OK, what we need is for folding screen technology to catch up with the keyboard. Remeber, you heard it here first! -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 10:43:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA088361024; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:43:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01980; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:42:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:40:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01760; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:40:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01749; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:40:29 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA26168; Fri, 6 Sep 96 10:36:26 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 10:36:26 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609061436.AA26168@nile.gnat.com> To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg, perley@cadence.com Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: dewar@gnat.com, phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu "OK, what we need is for folding screen technology to catch up with the keyboard. Remeber, you heard it here first!" Rather than a folding screen, which is hard to imagine would not have a break anyway at the fold, multiple screens that folded out would be fine, since in a windowing environbment you can perfectly well have one window on one screen, and another on another screen. Actually I would quite like a portfolio sized portable. Consider something like the following: Full standard PC keyboard, width of machine 20", with a screen that was also nice and wide, or if that is not possible yet, two separate side by side TFT screens. As long as the weight does not climb over 7 pounds or so, I don't really care if the physical dimensions get larger, as long as it still fits in a suitcase, but I do need all the screen real estate I can get. I must say that, given the sharpness of a TFT, 1024 x 768 on a 12.4" screen is not bad. I use a 10 x 6 font in OS/2 windows which comfortably allows two of them (80 columns wide) to sit side by side on the screen, still very readable (*). You can go about 75 lines high using this font. (*) the fonts that come standard with win 95 are much worse than the OS/2 fonts. The true type fonts are simply terrible at small sizes, and the number of bit-mapped fonts is disappointing, e.g. there is no 10 x 6 bitmapped font. Now I expect I can find and install extra fonts -- one more mystery to solve :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 10:47:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA089191220; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:47:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02277; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:44:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:43:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02097; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:43:37 -0400 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02083; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:43:30 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA14909; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:42:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:42:45 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199609061442.HAA14909@netcom9.netcom.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu At 1024x768, I think a 12+" screen is important, but at 800x600, I find the 10.4" screen of my 755cx to be adequately sized. I don't understand why the 560 test marketing found enormous screens to be so important. I don't think I'll be seriously tempted to buy a 560 until they come out with a 1024x768 model, though I hope that will be pretty soon. Alternatively, a thinner, lighter 701 with an 800x600 screen (10.4") would be nice. Also, CPU speed usually shouldn't be so important. Today's Pentiums are 100x faster than the vaxes some of us used to use, but they don't make us 100x more productive. I'd gladly stick with a 75 mhz Pentium (or even 486) instead of a 120 or 133 mhz model, if it added an hour or two to operating time on a battery charge. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 10:51:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA089631499; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:51:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03087; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:50:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:49:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02876; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:49:16 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02870; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:49:13 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx03-41.teleport.com [206.163.120.169]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09820; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609061449.HAA09820@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:15 AM 9/6/96 EDT, you wrote: >" yeah.. thats wat I heard too.. but then how about making an ULTRA >portable, small as a 701, thick as a 560, and power of a 760 :) Dream >machine..." Now you're talking! [Are you listening IBM? We want a 702!] > >As I suggested before, a nice idea would be to make a standard form factor >notebook, i.e. 560 size, but use the folding keyboard technology to give >a full keyboard with numeric pad and standard keys, and breathing room. > Another good idea -I liked it when you suggested it before. But give me the 702 Dream Machine. [Pay attention IBM: "You have the technology..."] BD Bryan Daum N1AHD President Allied Inspection Services Portland, Oregon Phone:503-636-1795 hhtp://www.teleport.com/~allied/index/html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 11:11:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA092572684; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:11:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05018; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:09:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:07:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04667; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:07:48 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04649; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:07:44 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA01658; Fri, 6 Sep 96 11:03:42 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 11:03:42 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609061503.AA01658@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu "At 1024x768, I think a 12+" screen is important, but at 800x600, I find the 10.4" screen of my 755cx to be adequately sized. I don't understand why the 560 test marketing found enormous screens to be so important. I don't think I'll be seriously tempted to buy a 560 until they come out with a 1024x768 model, though I hope that will be pretty soon. Alternatively, a thinner, lighter 701 with an 800x600 screen (10.4") would be nice. Also, CPU speed usually shouldn't be so important. Today's Pentiums are 100x faster than the vaxes some of us used to use, but they don't make us 100x more productive. I'd gladly stick with a 75 mhz Pentium (or even 486) instead of a 120 or 133 mhz model, if it added an hour or two to operating time on a battery charge." I agree that you only need the large screens at high resolutions, but that is where the industry is going, and the point is that the 701 form factor was bound to dead-end pretty soon. Also the 701 did not sell that well at its original pricing level. Sure, I know that lots of poeple (including several of my friends) who got great deals in the 701 fire sales, but it is not clear that IBM made much money from these, I would guess in fact that there is a fair write off associated with the 701 development. The 100x faster than the Vax is quite misleading, because todays software is orders of magnitude less efficient than what we used on the Vax. I see no reason to expect that a 120MHz Pentium should draw much more power than a 75Mhz chip. Perhaps you get a few minutes difference, but even if you turned off the CPU completely you would not get an extra hour! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 11:11:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA092612690; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:11:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05014; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04655; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:07:46 -0400 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (root@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04648; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:07:44 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id HAA15175; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:46:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 07:46:06 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199609061446.HAA15175@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: X/Linux on 755cx I've been off the list for a few months. Does anyone know the current status of Xfree86 on the 755cx? Last I'd heard, in order to use 800x600 mode you had to boot MSDOS, run the IBM utility to set the screen mode, then boot Linux; but also that someone was trying to adapt the X server to avoid this kludge. So I'm wondering what the state of things is now, as I prefer to not have to mess with booting DOS. thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 11:15:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA093682932; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:15:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05480; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:13:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:11:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05180; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:10:58 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05153; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:10:47 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02122; Fri, 6 Sep 96 11:07:12 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 11:07:12 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609061507.AA02122@nile.gnat.com> To: allied@teleport.com, dewar@gnat.com Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "Now you're talking! [Are you listening IBM? We want a 702!]" But the question is, are you willing to pay for it, or do you expect to be able to buy it at the same fire sale price (a frction of the original list) that you probably paid for your 701? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 11:51:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA098585112; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:51:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08886; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:49:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:47:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08627; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:47:00 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08597; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:46:46 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx06-45.teleport.com [206.163.121.109]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA12137 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609061546.IAA12137@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 >Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 08:32:01 >To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) >From: Bryan Daum >Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 >Cc: thinkpad@cs.udk.edu > >The laptop world would beat a path to the door for the Dream Machine backed by IBM, > >BD > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 11:52:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA098835158; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:52:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08975; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:50:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:48:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08776; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:48:48 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08770; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:48:41 -0400 Received: from dialin_29.enteract.com (dialin_29.enteract.com [206.54.253.44]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id KAA13023 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:48:34 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 15:48:42 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <32304587.27966554@smtp.enteract.com> References: <9609061507.AA02122@nile.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <9609061507.AA02122@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Fri, 6 Sep 96 11:07:12 EDT, you wrote: ""Now you're talking! [Are you listening IBM? We want a 702!]" " "But the question is, are you willing to pay for it, or do you expect to "be able to buy it at the same fire sale price (a frction of the original "list) that you probably paid for your 701? " Well, I'd be willing to pay *more* than the $1500 I shelled out for my DX4-75 if the model was updated with a Lithium-Ion battery, Pentium, 28.8 built-in modem, >1GB drive, and if the keyboard port was built into the machine rather than on the port replicator (I don't like having to take the MultiPort just because I wanna use my QuickCam somewhere). It shouldn't be as high as they were asking originally because with the advent of larger screens, they should be able to cut quite a deal on 10.4" displays. Make it around $2500 and I'd be interested. Should be doable with all existing tech and form-factors in use already. I'd pay more if they could get Toshiba-like performance out of the design (Thinkpads just don't benchmark well against the competition until you cross the $5000 mark, darn it!) Odds are my next laptop will be a Kiwi. I'd put up with the weight for the easy upgrade ability of those unit. That's a ways off yet, though; I'm still enjoying my 701! epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 12:05:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA100635899; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:04:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10546; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:03:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:02:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10361; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:02:06 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10354; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:02:01 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I95OW6C0Q8001QQ8@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 12:01:38 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 In-Reply-To: <199609061442.HAA14909@netcom9.netcom.com> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <842025698.915497.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > I'd gladly stick with a 75 mhz Pentium (or even 486) instead > of a 120 or 133 mhz model, if it added an hour or two to > operating time on a battery charge. Fewer pixels to light up will help a lot here too... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:07:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA111819645; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:07:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15939; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:03:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:02:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15823; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:02:18 -0400 Received: from lombardi.wctc.net (root@lombardi.wctc.net [205.212.64.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15816; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:02:10 -0400 Received: from chets.is-notes ([205.213.90.6]) by lombardi.wctc.net (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA21211 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:05:54 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <323074D5.4D2B@wctc.net> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 12:00:37 -0700 From: Chet Strebe Reply-To: chets@wctc.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad training Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I'm in the process of developing a training program, to train new users how to handle a laptop. I wish to cover such issues as care and maintenance, security, features, etc. Does anyone have material that would help me. A Freelance presentation would be the best. TIA Chet chets@wctc.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:15:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA112770123; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:15:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16767; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:11:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16581; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:10:59 -0400 Received: from mail.zipnet.net (mail.zipnet.net [199.232.240.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16564; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:10:54 -0400 Received: from rimco.zipnet.net (ip91-max2-bos.zipnet.net [199.232.252.191]) by mail.zipnet.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20093; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <32305A47.7EB2@rimco.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 13:07:19 -0400 From: "Ronald M. Egalka" Organization: Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad References: <2.2.32.19960906164632.0074e974@scf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy Whittle wrote: > > At 08:38 PM 9/4/96 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: > > >There is no plug and play or APM in NT 4.0 (I'm running it as one of the two > >OSs on my CX right now). There doesn't seem to be any NT 4.0 support for > >Thinkpads, yet, either, and I don't know if the current NT utilities will run > >under 4.0. Be forewarned that it takes more memory than 95, but it's also more > >stable. > > Maybe I'm just losing my mind, but I could have sworn I read > something somewhere that said some ThinkPad(s)--I think the 560 or some > other of the newer models--specifically were supported by NT 4.0 (is it > released yet?). > > ------- > Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle I just picked up NT 4.0 and installed it on one of my HP Vectra workstations. Haven't begun to contemplate putting it on my 755 CD, but the CD *does* have Thinkpad drivers on the disk and the documentation for 4.0 indicates compatibility with the following 'Pads: 360CD, 360CE, 365XD, 560, 701C, 750-755-760 series, (all employing the drivers contained on the NT 4.0 CD). Hope this helps. Ron Egalka regalka@rimco.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:16:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA113500175; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:16:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16947; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16778; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:51 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16768; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:12:48 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22846; Fri, 6 Sep 96 13:09:03 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 13:09:03 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609061709.AA22846@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 " Well, I'd be willing to pay *more* than the $1500 I shelled out for my DX4-75 if the model was updated with a Lithium-Ion battery, Pentium, 28.8 built-in modem, >1GB drive, and if the keyboard port was built into the machine rather than on the port replicator (I don't like having to take the MultiPort just because I wanna use my QuickCam somewhere). It shouldn't be as high as they were asking originally because with the advent of larger screens, they should be able to cut quite a deal on 10.4" displays. Make it around $2500 and I'd be interested. " Remember thjat the machine you paid $1500 for listed for several times that amount. I doubt what you suggest is feasible at $2500, looking at the pricing of other thinkpads. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:42:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA118761723; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:42:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19073; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:37:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18910; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:37:26 -0400 Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18903; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:37:22 -0400 Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:33:30 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9BDF.4A889D20@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:36:41 -0700 Message-Id: <01BB9BDF.4A889D20@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Annelise Anderson'" , "ibm-tp500@virginia.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: XJEM3288 Modem Problem Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:36:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- From: Annelise Anderson[SMTP:andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 1996 6:01 PM To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XJEM3288 Modem Problem Hi--I've got a new XMEM3288 Megahertz modem on my t-pad 560, which came installed with Win95. I can't make it dial from an old dos favorite, ProComm Plus 2.1, or >from ProComm Plus for Windows (3.1)-- You do not want to use DOS com programs with 95. They generally don't work in the dos box . If you then try to boot to dos in 95 the PCMCIA services aren't loaded and your modem can't be found. You could load card and socket services in your config.sys etc (for DOS support only!!) But: 1 you don't have them 2 you REALLY don't want to use them. If DOS modem support is really important to you : install the MHZ point enabler . It should have come with your modem if not it's on their WEB page. A point enabler is a tiny little program (sometimes a TSR) that pokes a couple of registers and makes your modem look like a com port. Do NOT use win 3.x com programs with 95 !! The device drivers are just too different and you stand a very good chance of screwing something up . ie the com port driver. Am I missing something (ProComm 2.1 for Windows doesn't list this modem so I selected one that sounded similar)? Neither of these programs seems to be able to find the modem, even though I've told them it's on com 1. I imagine I'll have the same problem with Quicken for dos-- No it works fine ! The modem works fine with dial-up networking and I'd love to have it work with the dos programs, not just because I hate to have to buy new programs, but because I really like the dos stuff. Thanks-- Annelise peter... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:45:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA119161954; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:45:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19603; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:42:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19095; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:40 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19082; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:34 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01064; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:39:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199609061739.LAA01064@aspen.wwsi.com> To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg, phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:03:42 EDT." <9609061503.AA01658@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:39:55 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "rd" == Robert Dewar writes: rd> I see no reason to expect that a 120MHz Pentium should draw much more rd> power than a 75Mhz chip. Perhaps you get a few minutes difference, but rd> even if you turned off the CPU completely you would not get an extra hour! Actually, as I understand it, the 150MHz will draw *less* power! ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:49:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA120272161; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:49:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19599; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:42:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:40:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19148; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:52 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19124; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:39:45 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01081; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:40:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199609061740.LAA01081@aspen.wwsi.com> To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: X/Linux on 755cx In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 1996 07:46:06 PDT." <199609061446.HAA15175@netcom9.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:40:35 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Rubin writes: Paul> I've been off the list for a few months. Does anyone know the current Paul> status of Xfree86 on the 755cx? Last I'd heard, in order to use 800x600 Paul> mode you had to boot MSDOS, run the IBM utility to set the screen mode, Paul> then boot Linux; but also that someone was trying to adapt the X server Paul> to avoid this kludge. So I'm wondering what the state of things is now, Paul> as I prefer to not have to mess with booting DOS. thanks I'm still doing it that way, and I've seen no alternative. However, I haven't put the latest XFree on my CX, yet, tho! ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 13:58:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121742687; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:58:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20469; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:48:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20135; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:48:54 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20129; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:48:50 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01146; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:49:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199609061749.LAA01146@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Randy Whittle Cc: Steve Hultquist , "Mark M. Ingerman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:32 PDT." <2.2.32.19960906164632.0074e974@scf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:49:41 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Randy" == Randy Whittle writes: Randy> At 08:38 PM 9/4/96 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >> There is no plug and play or APM in NT 4.0 (I'm running it as one of the >> two OSs on my CX right now). There doesn't seem to be any NT 4.0 support >> for Thinkpads, yet, either, and I don't know if the current NT utilities >> will run under 4.0. Be forewarned that it takes more memory than 95, but >> it's also more stable. Randy> Maybe I'm just losing my mind, but I could have sworn I read Randy> something somewhere that said some ThinkPad(s)--I think the 560 or some Randy> other of the newer models--specifically were supported by NT 4.0 (is it Randy> released yet?). NT 4.0 went RTM about two weeks ago. Some retail copies exist (I have about 6 on their way to Atlanta for Networld+Interop). IBM has stated that they will support NT 4.0 on the Thinkpads when its available. However, there are no utilities for the *older* Thinkpads now (I only have a CX, so that's what I check!). ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 14:03:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123242989; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:03:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21303; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:00:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20894; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:57:27 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20880; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:57:22 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01185; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:57:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199609061757.LAA01185@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Randy Whittle Cc: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Performance, Size, Weight, etc. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:33 PDT." <2.2.32.19960906164633.00b0c780@scf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:57:52 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Randy" == Randy Whittle writes: Randy> In fact, it is perhaps for that reason, that I kinda got hooked Randy> on the HP 100LX three and a half years ago (I just recently bought a Randy> 200LX because my trusty 100LX started to fritz-out on the screen). At Randy> the size of about 4 checkbooks stacked on top of each other and a Randy> weight of 11 oz., its the *one* computer I can *always* carry with me, Randy> no matter what. It works for me in many senses (contacts/phone Randy> numbers, appointments/scheduling, notes, minor editing of text files, Randy> etc.). In fact, I find the built-in 1-2-3 spreadsheet *very* useful on Randy> a frequent basis, even though I'm an Excel afficianado. It allows me Randy> to whip out some financial models on a moment's notice with no Randy> difficulty at all, despite that I prefer Excel in Windows--ut pulling Randy> out my notebook machine isn't always an option, and its a *lot* slower Randy> to get up and running. The LX turns on *instantly* and I'm in Randy> business--turns off just as instantly. Randy> But of course, I don't find the LX adequate for many other Randy> uses, not the least of which is E-mail & internet stuff (though I do Randy> know of *many* people who actually USE the LX to do these things!). Man... I used a Nokia 9000 when I was in Germany earlier this year. Now *that* is a machine I could get used to. It's a cell phone. Well, a speaker-phone cell phone. With built-in ISDN PPP. And a telnet client. And a POP mail agent. And a Web browser (it even does graphics!). Name/address, and on and on..... That will be my primary portable machine as soon as we can do GPM or equivalent in the US.... ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 14:03:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123343006; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:03:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21341; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20893; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:57:27 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20879; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:57:22 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id KAA09180; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:56:33 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma842032586.009160; Fri Sep 6 10:56:26 1996 Received: (from perley@localhost) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) id KAA18262; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:56:14 -0700 From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199609061756.KAA18262@cds9258.cadence.com> Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 To: jokim@MIT.EDU (John H. Kim) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 10:56:12 PDT Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "John H. Kim" at Sep 6, 96 1:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > fonts. The true type fonts are simply terrible at small sizes, and the > > number of bit-mapped fonts is disappointing, e.g. there is no 10 x 6 > I've noticed this problem too. I can work for hours with the 8x6 > fonts I use with Linux and X, but I get eyestrain after a couple > hours of the 10xsomething font I have for Win95. Does anyone know of > some good small bitmapped fonts? Does Adobe Type Manager do any Compugraphic fonts and some types of postscript (I think) have "hinting" which are rules in the character descriptions of how to render the font in small sizes when the ideal thickness or placement of a line puts it off the pixel grid. -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 14:05:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123793118; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:05:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21753; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:03:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:59:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21202; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:59:43 -0400 Received: from itchy.mindspring.com (itchy.mindspring.com [204.180.128.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21179; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:59:34 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.167.214]) by itchy.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04736 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9BFB.9D8BEBF0@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com>; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:59:26 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB9BFB.9D8BEBF0@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> From: Mark Rees To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 560 120mhz 800mb vs. DEC Ultra II 133mhz 1.3gb Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:59:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Basically the same price-what would you buy? Any suggestions? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 14:08:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA124483300; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:08:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22049; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:05:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:02:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21702; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:02:54 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21692; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:02:49 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA01227; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:03:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199609061803.MAA01227@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Randy Whittle Cc: "Eugene Fiume" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows NT vs. 95 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:38 PDT." <2.2.32.19960906164638.00b144c8@scf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 12:03:17 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Randy" == Randy Whittle writes: Randy> At 01:11 PM 9/5/96 -0400, Eugene Fiume wrote: >> Sorry for the naive and slightly off-topic question (my standard "I'm a >> UNIX bozo" apology). To what extent, if any, are commercial 16 and 32 bit >> Windows '95 applications compliant with NT? Randy> From what I understand, the very large part of 32-bit Randy> Made-for-Win95 apps almost all work just fine under Win NT. The Randy> exceptions I note are certain thngs like Norton Utils (no under NT, but Randy> they now have a version for NT out), which are the kind of thing that Randy> mess around at disk-level, etc. But run of the mill software--I'm Randy> pretty sure it should work fine under NT if it was designed to run Randy> under 95 (many times, the vendor designs the software specifically to Randy> run on both--for instance, if you install internet tools like Eudora or Randy> Netscape Navigator, the 95/NT install is one and the same, while Randy> there's a different set of stuff installed if you're running Win 3.x). This is true. Unfortunately, Win 95 wasn't a pure subset of the NT Win32 API (a problem, unfortunately, that Microsoft tends to proliferate), so it is possible that some things won't run. Anything that talks to real devices (like Norton) won't. Most things (like Office, Visio, and so on) run fine. Win 3.1 and DOS programs often work, but they were also often written with direct device access that is not enabled in NT due to the security risk such a design introduces. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 14:22:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA127614147; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:22:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22502; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:09:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:08:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22366; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:08:52 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22359; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:08:40 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:49:31 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960906174932.00683638@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 13:49:32 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: tp701, NT4.0, was: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad hi ron, is there any more info available? what aspects of the thinkpads do the drivers cover - just video, sound or some of the real goodies? specifically for the 701cs, for me... could you snip some excerpts from the documentation for all of us, please.. axel >I just picked up NT 4.0 and installed it on one of my HP Vectra workstations. Haven't >begun to contemplate putting it on my 755 CD, but the CD *does* have Thinkpad drivers >on the disk and the documentation for 4.0 indicates compatibility with the following >'Pads: 360CD, 360CE, 365XD, 560, 701C, 750-755-760 series, (all employing the drivers >contained on the NT 4.0 CD). Hope this helps. > >Ron Egalka >regalka@rimco.com ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 14:23:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA127734188; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:23:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23204; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:19:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:17:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23047; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:17:04 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com ([204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23040; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:16:57 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 230698a0; Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:12:26 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 14:11:31 -0400 Message-Id: <230698a0@doblegate.doble.com> Subject: Re[2]: Iomega Zip drive and more To: duszenko@wolf.northern.edu, jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, I use the 1640 slim scsi PCMCIA card with my zip drive. I like adaptec stuff because they seem to support nearly everything and their cards seem to get OS support. The Zip drive is very handy to keep my downloads and other stuff off the computer (Try fitting the new 8 meg IE-3.0 Full Version file you downloaded on a floppy). I went with the SCSI version because it is faster and all my active computers have SCSI. Hey, it is nice to be able to back up my notebook to my external Exabyte 8200 8mm tape drive. I read that Linux supports both versions of the zip drive so as a test I put the slackware distribution on zip disks (it takes at least two) and will try to install it on the notebook (U*ix on the GO!). It seems all I need is to make up the boot and root disks and I am all set. I have not tried to install yet, but at least managing the slackware files I get off the web site is easier. I run the Zip under DOS/OS2/Win31/Win95 (the slim scsi has not run under Win95 yet.) I think it is a reasonable good system. The downsides are: 1. The slim SCSI PCMCIA comes with the SCSI I connector (50 pin Centronics). I needed to get a 50 pin Female to Female adapter to hook up the card to the zip drive. It is not too bad as I got a cheap $30 portable scsi CD-Rom that has the 50 pin Centronic on back. What I complain about is that I need a 25-pin D to 50 pin Female cable! Adaptec does sell a SCSI II cable for about $30 dollars, but most of my external scsi stuff is still SCSI I. 2. Under OS/2 I needed to grab a new 152x driver from internet. You cannot install OS/2 Warp from a CD-ROM connected to a PCMCIA SCSI card. I had to create 20 floppy disks or so, but the rest was from the CD-Rom after the base OS/2 was installed. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 15:55:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA143599723; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:55:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00685; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:50:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:43:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29780; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:43:21 -0400 Received: from mail.zipnet.net (mail.zipnet.net [199.232.240.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29773; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:43:18 -0400 Received: from rimco.zipnet.net (ip91-max2-bos.zipnet.net [199.232.252.191]) by mail.zipnet.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29248; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <32307614.4070@rimco.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 15:05:56 -0400 From: "Ronald M. Egalka" Organization: Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Axel Hartmann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp701, NT4.0, was: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad References: <1.5.4.32.19960906174932.00683638@129.13.95.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Axel Hartmann wrote: > > hi ron, > > is there any more info available? what aspects of the > thinkpads do the drivers cover - just video, sound > or some of the real goodies? > > specifically for the 701cs, for me... > > could you snip some excerpts from the documentation > for all of us, please.. > > axel > > >I just picked up NT 4.0 and installed it on one of my HP Vectra > workstations. Haven't > >begun to contemplate putting it on my 755 CD, but the CD *does* have > Thinkpad drivers > >on the disk and the documentation for 4.0 indicates compatibility with the > following > >'Pads: 360CD, 360CE, 365XD, 560, 701C, 750-755-760 series, (all employing > the drivers > >contained on the NT 4.0 CD). Hope this helps. > > > >Ron Egalka > >regalka@rimco.com > > ....................................................................... > . Axel Hartmann . > . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . > . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . > . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . > . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . > . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . > .......................................................................Axel, As far as I can determine, after briefly perusing the voluminous contents of the 4.0 CD, the Thinkpad drivers, per se, are for mwave in the NT 4.0 environment. The CD's directory structure specific to Thinkpads is: Ntwks40a\Drvlib\MWave\Thinkpad (which then contains \Disk1 and \Disk2). I'm sure there are other drivers specific to Thinkpads but haven't had the time to investigate. The MWave subdirectory is the only one that labels 'Thinkpad'! I'll advise as I learn more. Ron From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 16:05:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146120330; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:05:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02238; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:02:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:59:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01715; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:59:25 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01689; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:59:18 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA01132; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906183620.00712df4@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:36:20 -0700 To: From: Randy Whittle Subject: Adaptec Slim SCSI Cc: duszenko@wolf.northern.edu, jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu At 02:11 PM 9/6/96 -0400, ecottrell@doble.com wrote: > I run the Zip under DOS/OS2/Win31/Win95 (the slim scsi has not run > under Win95 yet.) I think it is a reasonable good system. Works Plug-n-Play under Win 95 on both my 701 and my 560. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 16:05:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146160339; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:05:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02255; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:02:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:00:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01936; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:00:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01910; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:00:22 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02112; Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:25:41 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 14:25:41 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609061825.AA02112@nile.gnat.com> To: jokim@MIT.EDU, perley@cadence.com Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "Compugraphic fonts and some types of postscript (I think) have "hinting" which are rules in the character descriptions of how to render the font in small sizes when the ideal thickness or placement of a line puts it off the pixel grid." These hinted fonts are completely useless in small sizes on the screen. The hinting process for say Adobe type 1 fonts is only efffective if you are on a decent sized grid. Rememebr that on a typical laser, even at 8 points, you have a FAR bigger grid than a screen. So the true type fonts in Windows look perfectly horrible in the small sizes. The only acceoptale approach if you are talking about small grids, e.g. 6 x 8 or 6 x 10, is bit mapped fonts designed as display fonts for these sizes. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 16:06:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146330386; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:06:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02220; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:58:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01561; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:58:13 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01528; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:57:58 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA06124; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 11:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906185437.007021c0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 11:54:37 -0700 To: Mark Rees From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 560 120mhz 800mb vs. DEC Ultra II 133mhz 1.3gb Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" At 01:59 PM 9/6/96 -0400, Mark Rees wrote: >Basically the same price-what would you buy? Any suggestions? I faced the same decision just a few weeks ago. I bought a 560. Why? For one thing, I had a really hard time finding a place to *buy* the DEC! I feared that might be the same problem when it came to getting memory, etc., not to mention drivers in the future. When it came down to it, despite the DEC being a slightly thinner machine (but a smaller screen--I think 11.3" or something), I have to admit it--I trust the IBM machine more. Its not so much an "IBM vs. DEC" issue (DEC is a fine company, in my book), its a matter of market share. I learned long ago that buying a non-major notebook (and lets face it: DEC isn't a big player in the notebook market) meant "dead end" when it came to parts, upgrades, memory, etc. There are plenty of good companies that I would buy a desktop from (Gateway, Micron) that I *wouldn't* buy a notebook from (same list) for this reason alone. Notebooks are far more proprietary and if you're some little off-brand thing, nobody's going to make "stuff" for you. I have a private little list of notebook manufacturers I *would* buy from, but its flexible. In a nutshell: Toshiba, IBM, Compaq. Second Tier "Maybes" would be TI, HP. Total wannabe's in the NB world include DEC and Sharp--maybe "Winbook". Then there's garbage like Sager. They sell these things, but how often do you find a place like PEP that will upgrade them or see a listing of memory prices for notebook machines and see your machine's make or model even *listed*? So unless you're *really* in love with the less-popular brand's model, I wouldn't recommend buying it. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 17:36:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA167645773; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:36:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12211; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:33:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:28:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11417; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:28:53 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11410; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:28:49 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_17.enteract.com (dialin_7_17.enteract.com [206.54.253.96]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id QAA08046 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:28:39 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 21:28:53 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <32308dae.1930963@smtp.enteract.com> References: <9609061709.AA22846@nile.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <9609061709.AA22846@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Fri, 6 Sep 96 13:09:03 EDT, you wrote: "" Well, I'd be willing to pay *more* than the $1500 I shelled out for my "DX4-75 if the model was updated with a Lithium-Ion battery, Pentium, 28.8 "built-in modem, >1GB drive, and if the keyboard port was built into the "machine rather than on the port replicator (I don't like having to take the "MultiPort just because I wanna use my QuickCam somewhere). It shouldn't be as "high as they were asking originally because with the advent of larger screens, "they should be able to cut quite a deal on 10.4" displays. Make it around "$2500 and I'd be interested. " " "Remember thjat the machine you paid $1500 for listed for several times "that amount. I doubt what you suggest is feasible at $2500, looking at "the pricing of other thinkpads. " I don't know about that. Doesn't the 365X come with a lot of those features? My last issue of USAFlex catalog lists this model for $1999 with a Pentium 100, 810MB HDD, has the 16-bit sound and built-in port, it's just missing the modem and Lit-Ion technology. They're within throwing distance already. Other manufacturers are already there, like Sharp with their 3040. In this age of MEG playback, zoomed video, 8X CD-ROMs and 12" screens, the specs I outlined are actually a reasonably modest system. All it would really take is for IBM to accept the idea that not everything they do is worth $5000 right off the bat. epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 18:23:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA179088610; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16191; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:15:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:13:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15973; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:13:10 -0400 Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15967; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:13:08 -0400 Received: from smtp.mcs.net (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id RAA17809; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609062213.RAA17809@Kitten.mcs.com> To: "King, Randall" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 2.0) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:13:02 CDT From: Ron Heiby Reply-To: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Hard drive passwords (final word?) ** Reply to note from "King, Randall" Mon, 26 Aug 1996 18:30:00 -0400 I don't recall where I saw it, but it is my understanding that there is an IDE and/or EIDE command which can be issued by the driver to the drive to tell it the password which has been chosen. I believe that it is up to the drive to decide whether that password matches the one which had been set (by another command). I do not believe that it is possible for the controller and/or driver to read the password back out. Also, I do not believe that the password is stored on EPROM. If it were, you couldn't change it on the fly. It *might* be in EEPROM. But, I think it's just as likely (more, really) that the information is stored on a drive-private location on the disk itself. I think that my beliefs (at least some of them) could be confirmed by checking the IDE/EIDE driver interface specification. With the spec, it should be possible to determine the maximum allowable length of the password. E.g., Is it an arbitrary string of text? A 32-bit quantity? A 64-bit quantity? Depending on what the password value is, it might become reasonably straight-forward (from driver code) to go into a drive password cracking mode, where passwords are tried and the drive checked for still being locked, in rapid succession. With a bit string of sufficient length, it might not be practical. Short-ish bit strings might very well be, though. If a character string, it might be good to use one of the general-purpose password cracking systems available, which use several dictionaries of English words, proper names, etc. Ron. cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 18:24:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA179358650; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:24:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17528; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:19:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17348; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:17:14 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17337; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:17:09 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id NAA03601; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:17:53 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:17:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 In-Reply-To: <9609061436.AA26168@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Robert Dewar wrote: > Rather than a folding screen, which is hard to imagine would not have a > break anyway at the fold, multiple screens that folded out would be fine, Wasn't there some U.S. company working on flexible LCDs? > (*) the fonts that come standard with win 95 are much worse than the OS/2 > fonts. The true type fonts are simply terrible at small sizes, and the > number of bit-mapped fonts is disappointing, e.g. there is no 10 x 6 I've noticed this problem too. I can work for hours with the 8x6 fonts I use with Linux and X, but I get eyestrain after a couple hours of the 10xsomething font I have for Win95. Does anyone know of some good small bitmapped fonts? Does Adobe Type Manager do any better? -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 18:26:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA180158791; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:26:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14938; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14169; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:18 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14162; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:12 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA10491; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906164632.0074e974@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:32 -0700 To: Steve Hultquist From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Win95 vs. NT 4 on Thinkpad Cc: "Mark M. Ingerman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 08:38 PM 9/4/96 -0600, Steve Hultquist wrote: >There is no plug and play or APM in NT 4.0 (I'm running it as one of the two >OSs on my CX right now). There doesn't seem to be any NT 4.0 support for >Thinkpads, yet, either, and I don't know if the current NT utilities will run >under 4.0. Be forewarned that it takes more memory than 95, but it's also more >stable. Maybe I'm just losing my mind, but I could have sworn I read something somewhere that said some ThinkPad(s)--I think the 560 or some other of the newer models--specifically were supported by NT 4.0 (is it released yet?). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 18:27:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA180428874; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:27:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14935; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:51:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14197; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:23 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14181; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA10531; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906164636.00b1a6f8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:36 -0700 To: "Duszenko, Andrzej" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Iomega Zip drive and more Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 11:12 AM 9/5/96 CDT, Duszenko, Andrzej wrote: > >I am new to the list. I have a 701c DX4 75 Mhz with 24 MB RAM, running >Windows 95. I have two unrelated questions and a request. > >1. I am considering buying the Iomega Zip drive to use for extra storage as >well as HD backup. The drive is available with either a parallel or SCSI >interface. What are the relative advantages and disadvantages of the two? >Which would be a better choice in my situation? Do you already have a PCMCIA SCSI card? If so, I'd get the SCSI version. I think parallel is okay if you just need an interface, but SCSI is superior in most ways--just not as portable/universal (*everybody* has a parallel port--unless you're going to put this on a Mac, in which case SCSI is definitely the cross-platform choice). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 18:28:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA180888936; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:28:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14945; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:51:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:48:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14449; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:48:12 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14421; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:48:06 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA10555; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906164640.00b159c8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:40 -0700 To: Jerry James From: Randy Whittle Subject: RE: Iomega Zip drive and more Cc: "duszenko@wolf.northern.edu" , "'David Jones'" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" At 08:17 PM 9/5/96 -0400, Jerry James wrote: >On the SCSI PC card side, use adaptec slim scisi. It works well and it works with everything. Don't dick around and try to save $20., get the best and save your time for more important things. > >Jerry I concur with Jerry's thoughts here. Adaptec isn't always the best/fastest performer compared to some others making the same or similar product, but its *universally* the best choice when it comes to compatibility & getting stuff to work. Basically, Adaptec is the leader in SCSI universality. To a great extent, we can credit their leadership in making SCSI the universal & cross-platform standard that it is. I've bought a few SCSI cards (one a PCMCIA--Adaptec of course) and was never disappointed or had trouble with any Adaptec card I bought. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 18:29:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA181038996; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:29:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14940; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:51:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:47:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14366; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:47:44 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14360; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:47:41 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA10547; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906164638.00b144c8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:38 -0700 To: "Eugene Fiume" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Windows NT vs. 95 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 01:11 PM 9/5/96 -0400, Eugene Fiume wrote: >Sorry for the naive and slightly off-topic question (my standard >"I'm a UNIX bozo" apology). To what extent, if any, are commercial >16 and 32 bit Windows '95 applications compliant with NT? > >Eugene Fiume. I'm interested in seeing the response to this as well. From what I understand, the very large part of 32-bit Made-for-Win95 apps almost all work just fine under Win NT. The exceptions I note are certain thngs like Norton Utils (no under NT, but they now have a version for NT out), which are the kind of thing that mess around at disk-level, etc. But run of the mill software--I'm pretty sure it should work fine under NT if it was designed to run under 95 (many times, the vendor designs the software specifically to run on both--for instance, if you install internet tools like Eudora or Netscape Navigator, the 95/NT install is one and the same, while there's a different set of stuff installed if you're running Win 3.x). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Sep 6 18:39:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA183479584; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 18:39:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14952; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:51:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14215; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:27 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14182; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 12:46:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-07.usc.edu [128.125.224.7]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA10525; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960906164633.00b0c780@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 09:46:33 -0700 To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Performance, Size, Weight, etc. Cc: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU At 10:44 AM 9/5/96 -0500, James Gramling wrote: >> Basically, this is just the facts of life with respect to buying a >>notebook machine. These are the tradeoffs you make to have something that >>weighs 4 lbs. and is as thing as a spiral notebook. It will be the case, to >>one extent or another, no matter *what* notebook machine you buy. An >>equivalent CPU on any desktop machine is going to be faster, and sometimes a >>slower CPU on a desktop, given faster "other" components (video, HD) is >>going to be faster too. > >I think you are being to kind to the ibm. Several magazines have done >comparison tests with other notebooks, and found the ibm lagging behind. In >most cases the difference was attributable to the lack of an L2 cache, which >in my opinion was a crucial and unbelievable mistake by ibm. It's a nice >box, but it is slow in relative terms, even compared to other similar >notebooks. I don't disagree with your premise, ie, that notebooks are >usually slower than comparable desktops, but there's more to it with the >560. Take the compaq armada, for example. In its stripped down >configuration, it weighs only 5 pounds, yet with an L2 cache should be much >faster than a similarly equipped 560. Unless .9 lbs. is that crucial, why >would one buy the ibm? That's the point--that .9 lbs is *hugely* crucial to some us! If weight weren't an issue, I'd be lugging around a 7 or 8 lb. 760 series or a Tecra, marveling at my big screen, huge removable hard disk, cool options like putting in a second battery or second hard disk, etc. These options would all be very important to me if it was my only machine, but I consider my notebook as a satellite of my desktop. I used to have a 750, which for its time was the *best* machine around (though not necessarily the fastest). It had something *really* cool that had never been done before--a flip-up keyboard with easy access to all these various parts. You could even put a TV Tuner (and I did!) or a cellular packet-switching doohicky phone thing in a bay. Over time, I've since realized I don't need any of that neato/cool stuff. Even the second battery in a bay isn't a huge item--I can easily spend an extra couple minutes hibernating my machine and swapping batteries--same result. I've also realized that I have lots of heavy stuff to carry, and the notebook computer was among the heaviest. All it takes is some time, and you realize that a pound or two of difference is *huge* if you have to carry this thing along with some other stuff for a few hours. I've owned 4 notebooks, 3 of them IBM's (I admit--I really like the ThinkPads, mostly because of the pointers & keyboards). I'll admit I didn't buy the 560 for performance reasons (though I did decide to go with a machine with a Pentium). But "performance" wasn't my main criteria in selecting a machine. If it were, I would have looked at all the benchmarks and hunted for the fastest beast around. I got the 560 for its form factor/weight. I looked at the Armada (also the Digital Hi-Note Ultra II), and for 5 lbs. the Armada weighed, I decided I could either (a) get another notebook with more stuff on it or (b) get a lighter notebook with just as much. I don't need a speed demon. I need a machine that adequately fast, but light enough that I'll actually carry it with me, rather than groan at the thought of lugging that huge brick. In fact, it is perhaps for that reason, that I kinda got hooked on the HP 100LX three and a half years ago (I just recently bought a 200LX because my trusty 100LX started to fritz-out on the screen). At the size of about 4 checkbooks stacked on top of each other and a weight of 11 oz., its the *one* computer I can *always* carry with me, no matter what. It works for me in many senses (contacts/phone numbers, appointments/scheduling, notes, minor editing of text files, etc.). In fact, I find the built-in 1-2-3 spreadsheet *very* useful on a frequent basis, even though I'm an Excel afficianado. It allows me to whip out some financial models on a moment's notice with no difficulty at all, despite that I prefer Excel in Windows--ut pulling out my notebook machine isn't always an option, and its a *lot* slower to get up and running. The LX turns on *instantly* and I'm in business--turns off just as instantly. But of course, I don't find the LX adequate for many other uses, not the least of which is E-mail & internet stuff (though I do know of *many* people who actually USE the LX to do these things!). Anyway, that's portability to me, and that's all I have to say about that! (apologies to Forest Gump.) ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 19:51:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA194453916; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:51:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22035; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:48:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21803; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:48:50 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21797; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:48:48 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I9655ZD41C001XDT@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 19:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: 560 120mhz 800mb vs. DEC Ultra II 133mhz 1.3gb In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960906185437.007021c0@scf.usc.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <842053661.60497.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Why? For one thing, I had a really hard time finding a place to > *buy* the DEC! I feared that might be the same problem when it came to > getting memory, etc., not to mention drivers in the future. Try calling 800 DIGITAL. They also have an on-line store at which is accessed via telnet. I use their big systems and love them but know nothing about their notebooks - I have a Thinkpad myself... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 20:49:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA203117369; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:49:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26178; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:48:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:44:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25757; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:44:28 -0400 Received: from alumnae.caltech.edu (alumnae.caltech.edu [131.215.50.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25751; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:44:25 -0400 Received: (from dfl@localhost) by alumnae.caltech.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA29733; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:42:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Lam X-Sender: dfl@alumnae To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C upgrade? In-Reply-To: <322EE3DB.615E@conic.lmco.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I saw an ad for a notebook CPU upgrade (Gainbery GB586NB133) for generic 486DX4/75 notebooks. Does anyone know if this would work on a TP701C? What's the degree of difficulty involved in upgrading the CPU? Do you need special tools to open the case? Desolder the original CPU? etc. TIA Dan Lam From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 6 22:03:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA212251782; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:03:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01185; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 22:01:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:58:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00758; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:58:13 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00752; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:58:10 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id VAA01025; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 21:46:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: RE: WTB: 560 133mhz 1gm Active Matrix, 8mb Date: 06 Sep 1996 21:46:20 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 11 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: References: <01BB9A96.361CCE50@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu In-Reply-To: Mark Rees's message of Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:21:01 -0400 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 In article <01BB9A96.361CCE50@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> Mark Rees writes: ] Are these machines upgradable? I.e. if the performance SUCKS can I ] later replace the processor? I'll step out on a limb here and say "no". -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 02:24:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA249427449; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:24:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15811; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:22:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:19:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15471; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:19:22 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15465; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:19:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-02.usc.edu [128.125.224.74]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA29442; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907061901.0072f61c@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:19:01 -0700 To: billy@mix.com From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 560 120mhz 800mb vs. DEC Ultra II 133mhz 1.3gb Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 07:47 PM 9/6/96 -0400, billy@mix.com wrote: >> Why? For one thing, I had a really hard time finding a place to >> *buy* the DEC! I feared that might be the same problem when it came to >> getting memory, etc., not to mention drivers in the future. > >Try calling 800 DIGITAL. They also have an on-line store at > which is accessed via telnet. They're web page (which I consulting when researching this stuff) said it was "available at retailers", etc., but when I asked to search those retailers to see if my local CompUSA would carry it, it didn't know what I was talking about. Furthermore, I put in "Los Angeles" (or maybe it was my zip code) and it produced nothing! I guess their search engine wasn't working right. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 02:24:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA249467453; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:24:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15807; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:18:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15416; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:18:44 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15409; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:18:37 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-02.usc.edu [128.125.224.74]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA29439; Fri, 6 Sep 1996 23:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907061859.007395a8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 23:18:59 -0700 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:28 PM 9/6/96 GMT, epbrown wrote: >"Remember thjat the machine you paid $1500 for listed for several times >"that amount. I doubt what you suggest is feasible at $2500, looking at >"the pricing of other thinkpads. >" > I don't know about that. Doesn't the 365X come with a lot of those >features? My last issue of USAFlex catalog lists this model for $1999 with a >Pentium 100, 810MB HDD, has the 16-bit sound and built-in port, it's just >missing the modem and Lit-Ion technology. They're within throwing distance >already. Other manufacturers are already there, like Sharp with their 3040. I think when IBM priced the 701 (initially), they were under the mistaken belief that it was *so* neato that they could sell it at a significant premium (as they do the 760's now), a belief borne probably due to that folding keyboard's proprietary patent. Obviously, the market didn't agree with them (until they lowered the prices and the things sold like crazy). Since then, we've seen smaller form factor notebooks of all types selling in a range somewhere between the cheapos and the full-featured ones. I don't really think IBM lost their shirts on the 701--as a matter of fact, I think they may very well have just over-estimated their ability to charge a premium and "clean up" as it were on the machine. But even when they dropped those prices, they kept producing them--not usually a smart move if they cost you more than the selling price to make. I suppose they could consider the 701 a "loss" if you just look at what they *expected* to make vs. what they actually did, but I doubt they actually lost money on it. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 03:09:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA256210177; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:09:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19614; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:09:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:07:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19505; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:07:28 -0400 Received: from unix1.glink.net.hk (unix1.glink.net.hk [202.72.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19497; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 03:07:24 -0400 Received: from parrot (dialup87 [202.72.1.87]) by unix1.glink.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA05649 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:07:30 +0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907071009.007168c4@mail.glink.net.hk> X-Sender: dliu@mail.glink.net.hk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 15:10:09 +0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Liu Subject: Thinkpad 755CE HD I am looking into buying a HD for my thinkpad 75x series Any one have any suggestion in where I can buy one.... 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 10:39:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA006987179; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:39:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25574; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:38:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:29:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24781; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:29:18 -0400 Received: from math.rutgers.edu (math.rutgers.edu [128.6.62.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24775; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:29:15 -0400 Received: (from moy@localhost) by math.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.12) id KAA05590; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:29:07 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:29:07 -0400 From: moy Message-Id: <199609071429.KAA05590@math.rutgers.edu> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux sound on "old" 755c Cc: moy@math.rutgers.edu I am in the process of upgrading to Linux 2.0.x on a 755c. I have tried WITHOUT success to build several kernels to enable sound. I used the info io 4E30 irq 10 dma 0 (and 1) which I read in the user's manual and tried kernels with soundblaster amd microsoft sound system enabled. As I said, these did not work. I read in a very old FAQ that someone had gotten sound to work on a 750 so I assume it is possible on a 755c. Has anyone gotten Linux sound to work on a 755c? If so, what configuration did you use in the linux/drivers/sound section? Thanks in advance. - Allen Moy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 11:34:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013630461; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:34:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29053; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:33:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:30:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28773; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:30:44 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28755; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:30:32 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 23194470; Sat, 7 Sep 96 11:27:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:25:53 -0400 Message-Id: <23194470@doblegate.doble.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec Slim SCSI To: Randy Whittle Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, I figured it would play under Win95. I am going to run with Win31 a while longer on the notebook. Although Adaptec seems to be slow out of the gate at times (It took awhile for a VL-bus card to appear), they seems to be well supported. My first card was a 1542B (ISA Bus). It was amazed that I could go to their BBS (now their web site as well) and actually get eprom images to upgrade the 1542B (I have a prom burner). They seemed to have alot of good information available as well as upgrades to their drivers. They also make the effort to include basic tutorial software to make setting up a scsi system as painless as possible. I am also reminded of those pasta sauce commericals. I am sure there are some devices that are not supported, but I am glad when I bring home a fleamarket special SCSI device and find that the support is "in there". And here I thought that I was alone in setting up scsi in my notebook! I used SCSI for years and think it is a great interface standard. Unfortunely the bandwagon is IDE, but I see some advantage to using SCSI because you can use "real" tape backup systems and have a CD-Rom on a notebook that does not have an internal one. It is going to be interesting as we get bigger notebook disk capacities because of the backup situation. I would not be suprised if someone offered a notebook that had a writable CD-Rom or a tape drive that you put in place of the floppy (possibly a 4mm DAT drive?). I know there are parallel port tape drives now, but backing up gigabytes would be slow. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 14:11:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA031429887; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:11:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08527; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:09:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:04:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08110; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:04:39 -0400 Received: from unix1.glink.net.hk (unix1.glink.net.hk [202.72.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08104; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:04:36 -0400 Received: from parrot (dialup118 [202.72.1.118]) by unix1.glink.net.hk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id CAA15202; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 02:04:37 +0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907180716.0072170c@mail.glink.net.hk> X-Sender: dliu@mail.glink.net.hk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 02:07:16 +0800 To: Chris Schumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Liu Subject: Re: FYI: Prices At 01:32 PM 9/5/96 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >I got a quote from CDW for the following items: > >SIMPLE TECH. 16MB RAM for IBM TP 750 or 755 $200.00 >Betters the best previous price I've seen by $20. > >TOSHIBA MK1926FCV 810MB IDE HARD DRIVE $295.00 >But not in stock at the moment. > >Previous best price not in stock(Bason): $259 >Previous best price in stock (Dirt Cheap Drives): $319 > Do you know if those drive comes with the HD Frames fot 75x? .......................................................................... . 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 15:25:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA041174350; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:25:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13007; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:24:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:22:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12796; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:21:58 -0400 Received: from mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (mail.Herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12739; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 15:21:48 -0400 Received: from zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (baiti@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.100]) by mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA23636 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:20:39 +0200 Received: (from baiti@localhost) by zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA22881 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:17:43 +0200 From: Friedemann Baitinger Message-Id: <199609071517.RAA22881@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> Subject: display-light flicker on tp760ed? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing-List) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:17:42 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit just noticed that when i run the tp760ed on batteries till they go down to about 50% and then connect the power supply, the display starts flickering while the batteries are being charged. the flicker appears to show up only while the system is idle, e.g. when the disk is being accessed, the flicker stops. once the battery state goes up to 80% the flickering goes away. any ideas? has anybody else noticed symthoms like this? -- Friedemann Baitinger baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 17:34:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA069402079; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:34:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20801; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:33:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:30:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20467; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:30:22 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20444; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:30:18 -0400 Received: from lee.market1.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uzUx7-001CAHC; Sat, 7 Sep 96 15:30 MDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 15:30 MDT X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Hard Drive usage on a Desktop Machine I seem to remember mention here of a caddy (or some such thing) that one could get to use a TP hard drive (in this case a 1.2G drive from a 755CDV) on a standard desktop maching. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks... Lee Stewart lee@rmii.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 17:42:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070232559; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:42:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21416; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:41:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:40:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21225; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:40:14 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21219; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:40:10 -0400 Received: from don-s-acer (ppp-mia1-60.bridge.net [204.253.4.60]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA27061; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:39:54 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960907213806.006d70cc@bridge.net> X-Sender: dwhite@bridge.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:38:06 -0400 To: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Hard Drive usage on a Desktop Machine At 03:30 PM 9/7/96 MDT, Lee Stewart wrote: >I seem to remember mention here of a caddy (or some such thing) >that one could get to use a TP hard drive (in this case a 1.2G >drive from a 755CDV) on a standard desktop maching. Can someone >point me in the right direction? Thanks... >Lee Stewart You'll have to take it out of the case, but adapters exist. I know www.warrior.com sells them. Look for a 2.5 adaptor cable. Donald Alan Whiteside "I like you. You're trouble." - Draal, who clearly shares my taste in women. "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 7 18:01:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA073503691; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:01:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22565; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:00:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:58:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22401; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:58:25 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com (poblano.near.net [198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22395; Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:58:23 -0400 Subject: XFree86 3.1.2G is out To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9609071757.aa14737@poblano.bbnplanet.com> I should have sent this message earlier, sorry. People using 3.1.2[EF] should upgrade to 3.1.2G. It should fix the Option "linear" requirement and Option "tgui_pci_write_off" requirement, the former being a bug fix and the latter being on by default. --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 8 11:43:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA190267393; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:43:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02046; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:28:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01111; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:28:32 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@[206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01105; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:28:30 -0400 Received: from dialin_2.enteract.com (dialin_2.enteract.com [206.54.253.17]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id KAA01254 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 10:28:11 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701: Faster booting through...what? Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 15:28:24 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <3232d8ac.2766680@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Like anyone with Windows95 and 24MB RAM, I've been playing around with the butterfly, trying to get it to boot faster. I succeeded, but I don't know how! I knowingly changed the Startup Sequence in the BIOS to "hard disk" so that it wouldn't spend time looking for te floppy drive, and that's helped a lot I think, but (and I'm not complaining, mind you) my system is now no longer testing my RAM. You know how it scrolls through numbers until it gets to the amount you have? It's not doing that. I'm running without and autoexec.bat and config.sys, so it can't be them. Anyone else done this? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 8 16:14:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA222983681; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:14:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18384; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:12:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:07:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17941; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:07:48 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17931; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:07:45 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id QAA26971; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:07:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:07:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701: Faster booting through...what? In-Reply-To: <3232d8ac.2766680@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, epbrown wrote: > Like anyone with Windows95 and 24MB RAM, I've been playing around with the > butterfly, trying to get it to boot faster. I succeeded, but I don't know > how! I knowingly changed the Startup Sequence in the BIOS to "hard disk" so > that it wouldn't spend time looking for te floppy drive, and that's helped a > lot I think, but (and I'm not complaining, mind you) my system is now no > longer testing my RAM. You know how it scrolls through numbers until it gets > to the amount you have? It's not doing that. I'm running without and > autoexec.bat and config.sys, so it can't be them. Anyone else done this? Well Mine did that at one time (not counting memory). At the same time the pcmcia controller was dead. Sent in to ezserv and they replaced the system board. BTW I tried the same thing you did about changing the booting to harddrive. Mine still counts so thats not it. Go in to diag. and check your pcmcia controller. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 8 18:01:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA235510108; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:01:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26479; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:00:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:58:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26296; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:58:38 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com (dogmead.excelsior.com [198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26290; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:58:31 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA09902; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:56:49 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199609082156.RAA09902@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: display-light flicker on tp760ed? To: baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de (Friedemann Baitinger) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199609071517.RAA22881@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> from "Friedemann Baitinger" at Sep 7, 96 05:17:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > just noticed that when i run the tp760ed on batteries till they go down > to about 50% and then connect the power supply, the display starts > flickering while the batteries are being charged. the flicker appears > to show up only while the system is idle, e.g. when the disk is being > accessed, the flicker stops. once the battery state goes up to 80% > the flickering goes away. any ideas? has anybody else noticed symthoms > like this? I noticed something like this just yesterday with my 760C. I had just plugged in the AC adapter to recharge the battery (which was down to 0%) and I noticed that when the LCD brightness control was within a particular range (roughly in the 25-50% brightness range) that there was some flicker. I think you're right, in that it was related to the rechange cycle, since I haven't noticed it at any other times. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 8 19:09:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA243194160; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:09:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00350; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:08:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:06:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00172; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:06:00 -0400 Received: from zima.bbn.com (ZIMA.BBN.COM [128.89.8.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00166; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:05:54 -0400 Received: from doppleboch.bbn.com (doppleboch.bbn.com [128.89.6.100]) by zima.bbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17963; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cerys@localhost) by doppleboch.bbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/sl1.1) id TAA07111; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609082305.TAA07111@doppleboch.bbn.com> From: Daniel Cerys To: Robert Dewar Cc: JO1MA@smtp.3-soft.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 2.x gig HD for 760ED In-Reply-To: <9609051615.AA07449@nile.gnat.com> References: <9609051615.AA07449@nile.gnat.com> Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.18.6. Robert Dewar wrote on 5 September 1996: > road warrior has 2.x gigi hd's for a variety of notebooks, including > tp's. According to the table at http://www.warrior.com/arihd/ibm.html , the 2GB drives aren't available for the 760's. (I have a 760CD for which I'd love to get a 2GB drive). Is this correct? Dan ----------------------------------------------- Daniel Cerys Email: cerys@bbn.com BBN Work Phone: +1(617)873-4534 10 Moulton St. FAX: +1(617)873-2794 Mail Stop 6/4A Cambridge MA 02138 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 8 21:22:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA259362134; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:22:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11300; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:21:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:18:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10953; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:18:08 -0400 Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10947; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:18:05 -0400 From: Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA25811 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:17:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:17:33 -0400 Message-Id: <960908210016_197208038@emout08.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755CE HD We can upgrade the TP755 through 2.1gb Hard Drives. We can also upgrade the CPU for faster response times along with RAM and Accessories for most majot brand systems. Please contact me if you need any more information. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 2.1GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com/pep ========Original Message======== Subj: Thinkpad 755CE HD Date: 96-09-07 03:09:45 EDT From: dliu@glink.net.hk (David Liu) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu I am looking into buying a HD for my thinkpad 75x series Any one have any suggestion in where I can buy one.... Thanks .... .......................................................................... . David Liu (CNE,MCSE) | Voice : (852)2825-6822 . . | Fax : : (852)2568-9290 . . dliu@glink.net.hk | BBS : : (852)2539-7218 . . dliu@hkstar.com | FidoNet : 6:700/671 . . | http://www.hkstar.com/~dliu . . | http://www.glink.net.hk/~dliu . .......................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 02:51:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA003711898; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:51:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02167; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:50:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:46:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01741; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:46:11 -0400 Received: from Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil (SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL [144.59.100.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01725; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:45:54 -0400 Received: by Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB9E63.B3EC7670@Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil>; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:29:34 +0900 Message-Id: From: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: 701C w/ External Monitor Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:29:31 +0900 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 16 TEXT I finally tried connecting an external 14" monitor to my 701C through the MultiPort II connector. I'm running Win95. Anyone know the "Display Settings Properties" to get this to work. Thought it would be easy to do. I switched display type to be SuperVGA, NEC 2A, Standard VGA. None allow the external monitor to work. When I turn the computer on I see both screens showing the memory test and password login. But the minute I see "Windows 95 coming up..." on the 701C the NEC 2A goes blank?? Any help out there? TIA, Scott E. Bronson sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 03:40:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA010344852; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:40:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06559; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:40:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:39:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06364; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:39:20 -0400 Received: from dindin.sima.sintef.no (root@dindin.sima.sintef.no [129.241.146.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06358; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:39:18 -0400 Received: from dindin.sima.sintef.no (bjoerns@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dindin.sima.sintef.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00637; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:14:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199609082114.XAA00637@dindin.sima.sintef.no> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ct5xx-hackers@cygnus.com Subject: Linux on 701C: "Unrecognized device ID" From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= Stabell X-Uri: http://www.sima.sintef.no/~bjoerns/ Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn?= @ Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 23:14:58 +0200 Sender: bjoerns@stabell.priv.no Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I'm running GNU/Debian Linux 1.1 with APM on my IBM ThinkPad 701C, and it has been bothering me for quite some time that whenever I switch virtual console, and whenever screen blanking occurs, the kernel spews out the message: apm_bios: set display ready: Unrecognized device ID to the console and syslog. Have anyone managed to get rid of this in a proper way? I.e., make Linux recognize the 701C device ID or whatever it takes? Or, is anyone running Linux on their 701C and not experiencing this problem? Bye, --=20 Bj=F8rn Stabell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 05:10:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA021180227; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:10:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13450; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:10:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:07:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13348; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:07:31 -0400 Received: from thanatos.ibp.fr (root@thanatos.ibp.fr [132.227.61.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13340; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:07:22 -0400 Received: from thanatos.ibp.fr (dbateman@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thanatos.ibp.fr (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA00268; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:05:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199609090905.LAA00268@thanatos.ibp.fr> To: ct5xx-hackers@cygnus.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, bjoern@stabell.priv.no Subject: Re: Linux on 701C: "Unrecognized device ID" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 08 Sep 1996 23:14:58 +0200." <199609082114.XAA00637@dindin.sima.sintef.no> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:05:50 +0200 From: "David Bateman" >Hi, > >I'm running GNU/Debian Linux 1.1 with APM on my IBM ThinkPad 701C, >and it has been bothering me for quite some time that whenever I >switch virtual console, and whenever screen blanking occurs, >the kernel spews out the message: > > apm_bios: set display ready: Unrecognized device ID > >to the console and syslog. > >Have anyone managed to get rid of this in a proper way? I.e., make >Linux recognize the 701C device ID or whatever it takes? Or, is >anyone running Linux on their 701C and not experiencing this problem? > Hi, Which kernel version are you using? There has been some reports that the APM blank screen option in the 2.0 kernels (probably earlier 1.3 kernels as well) can cause problems. So a suggestion might be to experiment with the APM options when building the kernel. David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 10:24:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA060989088; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:24:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12844; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:22:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:16:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12273; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:16:14 -0400 Received: from domen.uninett.no (domen.uninett.no [129.241.131.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12196; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:15:56 -0400 Received: from domen.uninett.no by domen.uninett.no with SMTP (PP) id <25488-0@domen.uninett.no>; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:09:18 +0200 Received: from localhost.uninett.no by tikneppen.uninett.no (4.1/Uninett-1.7.n) id AA10586; Mon, 9 Sep 96 16:09:15 +0200 Message-Id: <9609091409.AA10586@tikneppen.uninett.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: ct5xx-hackers@cygnus.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, bjoern@stabell.priv.no Subject: Re: Linux on 701C: "Unrecognized device ID" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:05:50 +0200." <199609090905.LAA00268@thanatos.ibp.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 16:09:15 +0200 From: Olav Kvittem bjoern@stabell.priv.no > > apm_bios: set display ready: Unrecognized device ID > > > >to the console and syslog. > > > >Have anyone managed to get rid of this in a proper way? I.e., make > >Linux recognize the 701C device ID or whatever it takes? Or, is > >anyone running Linux on their 701C and not experiencing this problem? > > David Bateman: > Which kernel version are you using? There has been some reports > that the APM blank screen option in the 2.0 kernels (probably earlier 1.3 > kernels as well) can cause problems. So a suggestion might be to experiment > with the APM options when building the kernel. > > David I have a DEC HiNote Ultra DX4/75 and my syslog has not seen the problem since Linux version 1.3.57 and APM BIOS version 1.1 Flags 0x13 (Driver version 0.6b). When upgrading to 2.0 I switched on more (all) APM-options and that might be the reason. Have you enabled CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK ? My preset setup is (/usr/src/linux/.config) : CONFIG_APM=y # CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE=y CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y CONFIG_APM_POWER_OFF=y Olav From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 10:43:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA063230195; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:43:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14773; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:38:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14382; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:38:49 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@[206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14361; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:38:43 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA05738; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:39:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199609091439.IAA05738@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Ben Cc: Steve Hultquist , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: multiple different tcp/ip settings In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:51:34 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 08:39:28 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Ben" == Ben writes: >> You might want to pick up the TCP/IP Switcher shareware. It makes it >> pretty easy to do this (and no rebooting!). Ben> Altavista finds it for Mac but not for Win95. Is there a Win95 version? I think I found it either at www.shareware.com or www.windows95.com. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 11:00:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA065841224; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:00:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16903; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:59:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:57:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16639; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:57:50 -0400 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg (merlion.singnet.com.sg [165.21.1.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16630; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:57:46 -0400 Received: from tomho.singnet.com.sg (ts900-2630.singnet.com.sg [165.21.150.50]) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA01345 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 22:57:23 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <199609091457.WAA01345@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tom Ho" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:01:07 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: How to set this mail list to digest Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) Hi there, Is there an option to set this mail list to digest format?? I'm receiving about 30 messages a day on the average and it's cluttering my mail box. It'll be helpful if this messages can be compiled into one file instead of individual messages. Is that too difficult to do? ------------------------------------- Tom Ho tomho@singnet.com.sg Singapore From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 11:26:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070062785; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:26:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19516; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:20:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18963; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:20:51 -0400 Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18923; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:20:42 -0400 Received: from Unknown (ehdup-o-1.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.22.51]) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.7.5/cispo-2.0.1.7) ID ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609091459.KAA21557@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Manuel Alvarez-Rivera" Organization: University of Pittsburgh To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:57:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701C w/ External Monitor Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) > From: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" > To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" > Subject: 701C w/ External Monitor > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:29:31 +0900 > I finally tried connecting an external 14" monitor to my 701C through > the MultiPort II connector. I'm running Win95. Anyone know the > "Display Settings Properties" to get this to work. Thought it would be > easy to do. I switched display type to be SuperVGA, NEC 2A, Standard > VGA. None allow the external monitor to work. > > When I turn the computer on I see both screens showing the memory test > and password login. But the minute I see "Windows 95 coming up..." on > the 701C the NEC 2A goes blank?? > > Any help out there? > > TIA, > > Scott E. Bronson > sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil > > Make sure your ThinkPad 701C video is set up to display on *both* LCD and CRT. This setting can be toggled via the Fn + F7 key combination, or you can go to the Configuration Utility by pressing the Fn + F1 key combination, and change the Display option accordingly. ============================================================ Manuel Alvarez-Rivera, Programmer/Analyst University of Pittsburgh University Center for Social and Urban Research (412) 624-3791 ============================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 11:28:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA070312928; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:28:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19869; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:27:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:26:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19741; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:26:30 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19726; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:26:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (ingerman@localhost) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA16947; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:25:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:25:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M. Ingerman" X-Sender: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com To: Steve Hultquist Cc: Ben , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: multiple different tcp/ip settings In-Reply-To: <199609091439.IAA05738@aspen.wwsi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Steve Hultquist wrote: > >>>>> "Ben" == Ben writes: > > >> You might want to pick up the TCP/IP Switcher shareware. It makes it > >> pretty easy to do this (and no rebooting!). > > Ben> Altavista finds it for Mac but not for Win95. Is there a Win95 version? > > I think I found it either at www.shareware.com or www.windows95.com. > > ssh > I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that mircosoft has added some new features to Win95 ( such as a scripting language for ISPs - I now use Rob-Dunn ). I thought I read that tcp/ip support was also improved. It may be in either the path ( on the microsoft web page ) or in the PLUS package ( I think it is about $30 ). I have been meaning to look into this; I also need multiple tcp/ip configurations. If I find something, I will let you know. If you find something, please post me a note. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. ingerman@cs2.com (508) 394-5899 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 12:04:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA075875043; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:04:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23564; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:01:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:51:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22527; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:51:46 -0400 Received: from mail.skyinet.net (MAIL.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22520; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:51:40 -0400 Received: from jcms.sequel.net by mail.skyinet.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA01704; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:51:23 +0800 Message-Id: <32343E63.1E06@skyinet.net> Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 23:57:23 +0800 From: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Organization: CLeaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad users group Subject: new member Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Thinkpad 760ELD with a 16mb RAM upgrade installed. I am currently using a Megahertz 28.8 XJack and it works smoothly. So Far I love this machine. (I used to have the classic 701) Great screen, speedy, nice keyboard feel. Some complaints: Floppy drive/ CD-ROM swapping is an inconvenience. Would anyone know if I can Hot Swap these 2 in Win95? I find that I must restart for the drive to be recognized. Also the Bottom seems to get terribly hot. That said, its still an amazing machine. Carlos Sibal From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 12:54:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA083398077; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:54:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26719; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:31:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26212; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:31:48 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26181; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:31:41 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA00885 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1918; Mon, 09 Sep 96 12:31:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9609091931.AA1918@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id BDBCBC7DDA27D5EF852563A00057121C; Mon, 9 Sep 96 12:31:43 EDT To: "Mark M. Ingerman" Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 9 Sep 96 12:29:04 EDT Subject: Re: multiple different tcp/ip settings X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that mircosoft has added some new features to Win95 ( such as a scripting language for ISPs - I now use Rob-Dunn ). I thought I read that tcp/ip support was also improved. It may be in either the path ( on the microsoft web page ) or in the PLUS package ( I think it is about $30 )...." ~~~~~ the microsoft tcpip handles network access and remote isp access just fine, without rebooting. you need to install 'dial-up networking' in the 'communications' options when you install 95 (or add it in using 'add/remove programs.') you also need to install (using the 'have disk' button in 'add/remove programs') cd:\admin\apptools\dscript\rnaplus.inf. it will only offer one component. install it. there's also an option in the plus pack called 'internet jumpstart kit.' i don't know what differnce it makes, but it is (or was, at least) available free at microsoft's web site, so you don't have to buy the entire plus pack to get it. next, in your network setup, add an adapter, choose microsoft dial-up adapter and bind the microsoft tcpip to it. reboot if you need to. >from 'my computer'/'dial-up networking,' run 'make new connection' and setup your modem and isp phone number. create a script file in c:\program files\applications with the extension .scp. the language is pretty easy: proc main delay 3 transmit "" waitfor "name" transmit "mverne" ...etc endproc i expect you'll find the scripting language described in most win95 books that include a section on internet access. (of course, i recommend ventana's 'internet guide for windows 95,' but then, you knew a blatant plug was coming) then run start/programs/accessories/'dial-up scripting tool' pick your connection name on the left and the script you just wrote on the right. you may need to make some adjustments by right clicking on the connection from the 'dial-up networking' window and choosing 'properties.' some of the settings are several tabs and buttons deep (like turning ip header compression on/off), but once it's tweaked to your isp, i've found that it runs flawlessly. i haven't had any problems with conflicting tcpip settings between the stack bound to the network card and the stack bound to the dialup adapter, but the isp's that i've used in 'dual tcpip' situations both use dynamic address assignment, so they don't care what address you have plugged into your network control panel on the lan side. if you run into the mwave 28.8/16bit audio overload problem, there's also a setting in device mangler to force the modem to 14.4. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 14:35:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA101844129; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:35:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06794; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:29:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00310; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:27:02 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00249; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:26:46 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-48.usc.edu [128.125.222.120]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA06363; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960909161858.00721ec0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 09:18:58 -0700 To: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 701C w/ External Monitor Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" At 03:29 PM 9/9/96 +0900, Bronson, Scott E. CPT wrote: >I finally tried connecting an external 14" monitor to my 701C through >the MultiPort II connector. I'm running Win95. Anyone know the >"Display Settings Properties" to get this to work. Thought it would be >easy to do. I switched display type to be SuperVGA, NEC 2A, Standard >VGA. None allow the external monitor to work. > >When I turn the computer on I see both screens showing the memory test >and password login. But the minute I see "Windows 95 coming up..." on >the 701C the NEC 2A goes blank?? > >Any help out there? Scott, there's a FN-Key combo (I don't have a 701C in front of me, so I'm not sure what it is--I *think* its FN-F5 or F6) that toggles between 3 modes on your 701C--TFT Screen only, CRT Screen only, and dual TFT & CRT screens at the same time. You'll need to fiddle with this before you see any image on your CRT. I believe the settings are also in the BIOS, but again I'm unsure--I my 701C is now in my wife's hands & I can't check! :-) ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 18:51:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146789516; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:51:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01340; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:50:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:39:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29514; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:39:03 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29475; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:38:31 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06732 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA43478; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:24:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:24:44 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinof) Message-Id: <9609092024.AA43478@yu1.yu.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Using IR port as tv remote Anyone know of windows95/win3.1 software that lets you use the thinkpad infrared port as a TV remote control? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 18:52:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146849527; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:52:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01338; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:50:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:44:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00427; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:44:17 -0400 Received: from Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil (SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL [144.59.100.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00402; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:44:10 -0400 Received: by Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB9EEB.C8F9D520@Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil>; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:43:40 +0900 Message-Id: From: "Bronson, Scott E. CPT" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thanks...External Monitor Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:43:39 +0900 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 20 TEXT I got a lot of personal responses to yesterdays posting regarding getting my 701C to simultaneously recognize both an external monitor and the LCD screen. Foolish me forgot about setting the Config Util to "Both".....actually had never looked at the Fn-F7 option since I hadn't used it before. Want to send out a "Global Thanks" to all those that replied so quickly. Gotta love this Listserv. Surprised that both monitors would show the Config Utility setup and the startup messages, but the external would not work once Win95 started up. That's why I was focusing my attention on the monitor drivers (SVGA). Any thoughts on this. I recently moved to Korea and have not been able to resubscribe....could someone run me through the procedures again. Thanks again, Scott From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 23:40:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA192346801; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:40:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05938; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:18:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05238; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:12:48 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05231; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:12:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (ingerman@localhost) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA28165; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:11:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:11:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M. Ingerman" X-Sender: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: "Mark M. Ingerman" , tp750 Subject: Re: multiple different tcp/ip settings In-Reply-To: <9609091931.AA1916@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I do use the dial-up adapter for my ISP. But, I can't seem to have different DNS settings for the dial up adapter and my direct token-ring adapter. I also did not have much luck with the scripting services provide with my copy of Win95. Either we are running with different versions of Win95, or I am missing something. When I was trying to get my dial up working, everybody I talked to suggested using Rob-Dunn. I will look into the file you suggested. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. ingerman@cs2.com (508) 394-5899 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 9 23:59:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA195047941; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 23:59:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12320; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:50:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:46:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11832; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:46:50 -0400 Received: from firewall.nec.com.au (firewall-user@firewall.nec.com.au [147.76.180.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11817; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:46:31 -0400 Received: by firewall.nec.com.au; id KAA27248; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:42:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from pdact.sdc.nec.com.au(147.76.64.1) by firewall.nec.com.au via smap (V3.1.1) id xma027238; Tue, 10 Sep 96 10:41:33 +1000 Received: from pdact.sdc.nec.com.au by pdact.sdc.nec.com.au with ESMTP (8.7.1) id KAA12852; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:37:37 +1000 (AEST) (from sfr@pdact.sdc.nec.com.au ) Message-Id: <199609100037.KAA12852@pdact.sdc.nec.com.au> To: ct5xx-hackers@cygnus.com From: Stephen.Rothwell@canb.auug.org.au Reply-To: Stephen.Rothwell@canb.auug.org.au Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, bjoern@stabell.priv.no Subject: Re: Linux on 701C: "Unrecognized device ID" In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 09 Sep 1996 11:05:50 +0200. <199609090905.LAA00268@thanatos.ibp.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Id: <12848.842315856.1@pdact.sdc.nec.com.au> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:37:37 +1000 Sender: sfr@nec.com.au My turn ... :-) [I am one of the APM driver authors.] "David Bateman" writes: > > > >I'm running GNU/Debian Linux 1.1 with APM on my IBM ThinkPad 701C, > >and it has been bothering me for quite some time that whenever I > >switch virtual console, and whenever screen blanking occurs, > >the kernel spews out the message: > > > > apm_bios: set display ready: Unrecognized device ID > > > >to the console and syslog. > > > >Have anyone managed to get rid of this in a proper way? I.e., make > >Linux recognize the 701C device ID or whatever it takes? Or, is > >anyone running Linux on their 701C and not experiencing this problem? > > Which kernel version are you using? There has been some reports > that the APM blank screen option in the 2.0 kernels (probably earlier 1.3 > kernels as well) can cause problems. So a suggestion might be to experiment > with the APM options when building the kernel. Actually, using APM to blank the screen was only ever experimental and seems to fail on many more machines than it works on. I suggest that unless it works well for you (and I have't heard of anyone who has it interacting well with X) then disable it in the kernel. [Unless, of course, someone want to figure out why starting the X server causes the screen saver to go off ... ] Cheers, Stephen -- Stephen Rothwell Stephen.Rothwell@canb.auug.org.au Canberra, Australia Phone: +61-6-2508747/2916550 Fax: +61-6-2508746 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 12:24:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA289932677; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:24:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04231; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:22:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:07:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02400; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:07:01 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02391; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:06:50 -0400 Received: from train1bop (philly224.voicenet.com [207.103.16.123]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03822 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609101607.MAA03822@mail.voicenet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alan Sukiennik" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:43:41 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: PCMCIA and Linux 2.0.18 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Hi there, I've just upgraded RedHat Linux 3.0.3/1.2.13 to 2.0.18 on my 755CD and lost all PCMCIA support. The /lib/modules still contains /1.2.13 directory with /pcmcia in it and that's what is being referenced. Would anyone know how to upgrade that? Thanks much! -Alan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 12:49:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA293574149; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:49:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06315; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:47:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:44:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06035; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:44:23 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06026; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:44:03 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id MAA02865 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA3888; Tue, 10 Sep 96 12:44:16 -0700 Message-Id: <9609101944.AA3888@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id F0DB098DCCC83072852563A10050F662; Tue, 10 Sep 96 12:44:15 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 10 Sep 96 12:39:49 EDT Subject: 755Cs video/95 X-Lotus-Type: Memo w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain is anyone using a 755Cs and win95? i swapped hard drives between a 755CSE and a 755Cs. the CSE works great with the drive from the Cs, but the Cs won't do more than 16 colors without giving me static on the screen every time i move the mouse & a video compatability error message every time i start the os. so i go to the thinkpad win95 page & d/l the 95 video drivers for the 755Cs (vftps133.exe and win95set.exe). neither disk, however, contains any win95 drivers for this machine. vinstall asks me to choose my machine type, but 9545 isn't in the list. so i look at the contents of the disk. it includes several files (including vinstall.exe) in the root, plus a directory called 'win31' and a directory called 'os2_21'. no win95. so i read the readme's. vftps133 doesn't even apply to the Cs, even though the web site says it does. win95set does apply to the Cs, but it doesn't appear to have anything for me (no win95 directory, no 9545 in the options list). any ideas? Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 13:51:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA008187867; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:51:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11426; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:44:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10993; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:44:20 -0400 Received: from mail.skyinet.net (MAIL.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10982; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:44:12 -0400 Received: from jcms.sequel.net by mail.skyinet.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA13358; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:43:51 +0800 Message-Id: <3235AA41.26DD@skyinet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:49:53 +0800 From: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Organization: CLeaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad users group Subject: 760eld hot or warm swapping? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just would like to know if hot or warm swapping of CD-ROM and Floppy drive in ultra bay is possible even in suspend mode. I currently have to turn the machine off and reboot to have Win95 redetect the drive in the ultrabay. Thanks for any comments. Carlos From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 14:10:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA012259018; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:10:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13547; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:08:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:07:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13391; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:07:33 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13383; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:07:30 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA011238833; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:07:13 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0v0XDM-0000WUC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Tue, 10 Sep 96 14:07 EDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 14:07 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: Alan.Sukiennik@voicenet.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199609101607.MAA03822@mail.voicenet.com> (Alan.Sukiennik@voicenet.com) Subject: PCMCIA and Linux 2.0.18 X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] From: "Alan Sukiennik" Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:43:41 +0000 Hi there, I've just upgraded RedHat Linux 3.0.3/1.2.13 to 2.0.18 on my 755CD and lost all PCMCIA support. The /lib/modules still contains /1.2.13 directory with /pcmcia in it and that's what is being referenced. Would anyone know how to upgrade that? The PCMCIA support, like all modules, is kernel-dependent. If you are running 2.0.18 you need to have modules that were compiled for 2.0.18; the 1.2.13 modules will not work. This is why the subdirectories under "/lib/modules/" have version numbers on them. So you will have to recompile PCMCIA and reinstall it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 14:34:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA016420493; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:34:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15533; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:32:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:30:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15288; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:30:27 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15272; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:30:23 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id LAA21034 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199609101829.LAA21034@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: trying to get 16bpp under XFree86 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:29:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi. i now have XFree86 3.1.2G and i am futzing around trying to find the right settings for 16-bit-per-pixel mode. it occurs to me that LCD screens are so different than normal screens that i might be making some incorrect assumptions. for instance: the liturature on my 760EL claims that it does 16 bits per pixel. however, from what i know about how these screens work, i would expect the real bit depth to be a multiple of three. (that is, i don't think they use indexed color -- i think they just assign brightness values to the red, green and blue subpixels.) am i wrong about this? is the true depth really 15, or 18 or maybe only a measley 12 bits per pixel? i'm sure the X server would love to know, and so would i. and if that is the case, then is the video ram really as large as advertised? i read that i'm supposed to have 2 megs of vram, but i wonder if it's really all there. fyi, XFree86 version 3.1.2g finally fixes the weird video mode problems that prevented me from switching back and forth between text and graphics screens, and required me to hit the "switch to external screen" function key in order for the display to work. i am very pleased with it. -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 15:09:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA023322565; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:09:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19224; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:07:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:03:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18714; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:03:48 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18707; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:03:41 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id PAA16713; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:04:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:04:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: mykle hansen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: trying to get 16bpp under XFree86 In-Reply-To: <199609101829.LAA21034@eunice.Vinton.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, mykle hansen wrote: > hi. i now have XFree86 3.1.2G and i am futzing around > trying to find the right settings for 16-bit-per-pixel > mode. it occurs to me that LCD screens are so different > than normal screens that i might be making some incorrect > assumptions. for instance: > > the liturature on my 760EL claims that it does 16 bits per > pixel. however, from what i know about how these screens work, > i would expect the real bit depth to be a multiple of three. > (that is, i don't think they use indexed color -- i think > they just assign brightness values to the red, green and > blue subpixels.) am i wrong about this? It depends. :) Unlike a desktop system, there are two video hardware systems at work here -- the computer's and the screen's. The screen hardware can have some funny requirements and limitations. I've seen TFTs that can do 256 colors from a palette of 32k or 4096 colors simultaneously, but not 32k colors simultaneously. This is regardless of what the computer's video hardware is doing. The computer may be sending video signals for a 32k color picture (verifyable if you hook up a monitor), but the screen may only be able to display 4096 colors (4bpp). The *screen's* bit depth is a multiple of three. On my 701 it's 5 bpp, or 32k colors. I dunno about the 760 although since it's the flagship, I expect it's either 5 bpp or 6 bpp. I don't think there are any LCDs/TFTs in outside of research labs which can do 8 bpp yet. The *computer's video* bit depth is what you normally run across in hardware specs. In 32k color mode it's 5 bpp. In 64k color mode, it's usually 5 bpp for RB and 6 bpp for G. Both of these modes are "16-bit", with the extra bit going unused in the 32k color mode. There is a web site that explains all this in full gory detail: http://cal003109.student.utwente.nl/stefan/el/misc/lcd_faq.htm > really 15, or 18 or maybe only a measley 12 bits per pixel? > i'm sure the X server would love to know, and so would i. Ahh, the real question. As I understand it, the beta XFree server doesn't yet support 15/16 bpp on the 760's video chipset. It's planned, and there may be some alpha work on it. Then again, that was what I read two beta version ago so things may have changed. > and if that is the case, then is the video ram really as > large as advertised? i read that i'm supposed to have > 2 megs of vram, but i wonder if it's really all there. In all likelihood it's all there. The last thing IBM needs is a slew of false advertising lawsuits from a bunch of fortune 500 CEOs. Keep in mind some of the VRAM is used for the video acceleration featuress, so when you finally do get everything working, don't pick the biggest virtual desktop your VRAM will support. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 15:57:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA031165418; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:56:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23915; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:55:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:53:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23697; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:53:39 -0400 Received: from ns1.netone.com (ns1.netone.com [206.83.96.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23668; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:53:33 -0400 Received: from leop-c26 ([206.83.112.67]) by ns1.netone.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22763 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:53:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960910194825.002cce2c@pop.leopard.com> X-Sender: wdunn@pop.leopard.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:48:25 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Will Dunn Subject: Re: 755Cs video/95 At 12:39 PM 9/10/96 EDT, Michael wrote: >is anyone using a 755Cs and win95? i swapped hard drives between a 755CSE and >a 755Cs. the CSE works great with the drive from the Cs, but the Cs won't do >more than 16 colors without giving me static on the screen every time i move >the mouse & a video compatability error message every time i start the os. > >so i go to the thinkpad win95 page & d/l the 95 video drivers for the 755Cs >(vftps133.exe and win95set.exe). neither disk, however, contains any win95 >drivers for this machine. vinstall asks me to choose my machine type, but 9545 >isn't in the list. so i look at the contents of the disk. it includes several >files (including vinstall.exe) in the root, plus a directory called 'win31' and >a directory called 'os2_21'. no win95. > >so i read the readme's. vftps133 doesn't even apply to the Cs, even though the >web site says it does. win95set does apply to the Cs, but it doesn't appear to >have anything for me (no win95 directory, no 9545 in the options list). > >any ideas? I ran into the same problem--even though it explicitly states the drivers are for win95, they are without question the win3.x drivers. I'm not sure if this has been addressed in the list but I would appreciate any insights as well. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO http://www.leopard.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 21:34:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA087915698; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:34:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19911; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19564; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:30:26 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19539; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:30:16 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-43.rust.net [206.42.195.143]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA05259 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960911013026.006ba6e4@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 21:30:26 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Win95 IR Error Messages I'm trying to configure the IR driver on my basement 486 to work with the old Thinkpad. I'm using one of the Adaptec Airport APA-9320 (Airport 2000) hooked to one of my serial ports. After installing the WIN95IR.EXE program I'm getting two different error messages. Initially I had my IR device hooked to com3 with interrupt 11. When I started the IR program I would get "Error 45". Then I changed the interrupt from 11 to 4. Now the Error number is 54. My question is this. Where does a person go to find a listing of error messages? I had no luck over in the Knowledge base at Microsoft's web site. Thanks for any help... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 10 23:32:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105662737; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:32:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28571; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:28:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:25:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28295; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:25:36 -0400 Received: from panix.com (panix.com [198.7.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28283; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:25:33 -0400 Received: (from blam@localhost) by panix.com (8.7.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id XAA13340; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:25:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernardo Lam To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: 755Cs video/95 In-Reply-To: <9609101944.AA3888@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 10 Sep 1996, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > is anyone using a 755Cs and win95? i swapped hard drives between a 755CSE and > a 755Cs. the CSE works great with the drive from the Cs, but the Cs won't do > more than 16 colors without giving me static on the screen every time i move > the mouse & a video compatability error message every time i start the os. > I had to swap while my 755Cse is being serviced. The trick is to run the win95set.exe. It made some changes in some files and I think the most important one, adding the vesa.exe device driver in Config.sys. If you get the message that 256 colors (or something like that) is not supported, chances are that you are missing the vesa.exe. I don't have that machine with me now, if interested email and I will send you a copy of the config.sys once I get back to the office. I haven't been able to activate audio though, I just got rid of error messages from the mwave drivers, hopefully it will be easier once it goes back to the 755Cse Bernardo From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 00:01:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA109454492; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:01:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00844; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:57:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:55:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00539; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:55:20 -0400 Received: from mail.skyinet.net (MAIL.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00528; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:55:16 -0400 Received: from jcms.sequel.net by mail.skyinet.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA28799; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:55:03 +0800 Message-Id: <32363981.6276@skyinet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:01:05 +0800 From: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Organization: CLeaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad users group Subject: help on CD/Floppy how swapping on 760eld needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would truly appreciate any help on CD-ROM drive/ Floppy drive hot or warm swapping. I've tried it several ways and the newly inserted drive just does not register. Could I be using some wrong settings? Any pointers would be most welcome. Thanks, Carlos From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 00:02:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA109664579; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:02:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01281; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:01:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:00:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01130; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:00:33 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01113; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:00:30 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16100 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA41989; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:01:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 00:01:04 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinof) Message-Id: <9609110401.AA41989@yu1.yu.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Video cables for 755CD Does anyone know if video in/out cables are included with the 755CD? My father was given one from his office and I wanted to try out some of the "enhanced video" capabilities but the the video in/out ports are an unusual 3 pin mini-din which I've never seen before. The Hardware reference manual I have lists a Video Conversion Cable (part 85G1897) and IBM parts has it for about $26. I'm just wondering if this comes standard with the machine or it's an optional extra. Thanks Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 01:09:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA117558580; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:09:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05126; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:05:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:01:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04926; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:01:32 -0400 Received: from mail.skyinet.net (MAIL.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04920; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:01:27 -0400 Received: from jcms.sequel.net by mail.skyinet.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01065; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:01:09 +0800 Message-Id: <323648F5.29B1@skyinet.net> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:07:01 +0800 From: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Organization: CLeaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad users group Subject: floppy/cd hot swap under Win95 on 760eld Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just spoke to the Techline of IBM Philippines and they claim that hot swapping of the floppy/CD-ROM is not possible under WIN95. Just would like to know if anyone can confirm this? Because I find it strange and inconvenient. Thanks. Carlos From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 01:12:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA118398766; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:12:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05389; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:08:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:07:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05290; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:07:16 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05284; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:07:13 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA10748; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:08:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199609110508.XAA10748@aspen.wwsi.com> To: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Cc: thinkpad users group Subject: Re: floppy/cd hot swap under Win95 on 760eld In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:07:01 +0800." <323648F5.29B1@skyinet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 23:08:18 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist >>>>> "Juan" == Juan Carlos M Sibal writes: Juan> Just spoke to the Techline of IBM Philippines and they claim that hot Juan> swapping of the floppy/CD-ROM is not possible under WIN95. Just would Juan> like to know if anyone can confirm this? Because I find it strange and Juan> inconvenient. Thanks. I don't believe it. We've used the hot swapping in a 760CD to *install* Win95! ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 01:54:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA125891263; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:54:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07480; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:49:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07325; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:48:21 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07313; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 01:48:16 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id LAA02724; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:45:22 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0v0flN-0002CpC; Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:14 SST Received: from localhost (elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00305; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:09:12 +0800 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:09:12 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I just got maplay 1.2 compiled under Linux Kernel 2.0.0 on my IBM Thinkpad 701C. It has a ESS688 chipset for sound. It is SB compatatible and has support for 16bit playback/recording. The kernel has SB support compiled in it. When I tried to play a mpeg audio layer II file, I get the following errorr.... The music plays for like about 10-20 seconds, then dies with the error...... Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? write to /dev/dsp failed: I/O error Here's my /dev/sndstat Sound Driver:3.5.2-960330 (Wed Sep 11 09:28:46 SGT 1996 root, Linux dupre 2.0.0 #4 Wed Sep 11 01:38:05 SGT 1996 i486) Kernel: Linux dupre 2.0.0 #5 Wed Sep 11 09:29:21 SGT 1996 i486 Config options: 0 Installed drivers: Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM Type 2: SoundBlaster Type 6: SoundBlaster 16bit Type 7: SB MPU Card config: SoundBlaster at 0x220 irq 7 drq 1,5 (SB MPU at 0x388 irq 7 drq 0) OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388 irq 0 drq 0 Audio devices: 0: ESS ES1688 AudioDrive (rev 6) Synth devices: 0: Yamaha OPL-3 Midi devices: Timers: 0: System clock Mixers: 0: SoundBlaster Any ideas ? Doom and other sound apps work fine.... Elvin -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Visit NuKeM at http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/park/9868 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 03:54:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141218457; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 03:54:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15921; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 03:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 03:44:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15299; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 03:44:54 -0400 Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15280; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 03:44:45 -0400 Received: from mailto00.btx.dtag.de ([172.16.2.1]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:58 MET DST Received: from slip00-96.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.3.96]) by mailto00.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:57 MET DST Message-Id: From: "Philipp Adelt" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:58:19 +0100 Reply-To: "Philipp Adelt" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Philipp Adelt's Registered PMMail 1.51 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Video cables for 755CD >Does anyone know if video in/out cables are included with the 755CD? >My father was given one from his office and I wanted to try out >some of the "enhanced video" capabilities but the the video in/out >ports are an unusual 3 pin mini-din which I've never seen before. >The Hardware reference manual I have lists a Video Conversion Cable >(part 85G1897) and IBM parts has it for about $26. I'm just wondering >if this comes standard with the machine or it's an optional extra. >Thanks The TP 755CD from my father came with 2 of these cables. They have the same P/N. On the side it says: "IBM P/N 85G1880 FRU P/N 85G1897" So, these are the ones you needs. BUT: I have never got any video functions to work! Does anyone know how to use video-in or at least LCD->TV conversion? To make it a bit harder, this has to run under OS/2! Ciao, Philipp! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 07:11:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA162900269; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:11:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05823; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:10:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:09:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05669; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:09:33 -0400 Received: from cherry.midcoast.com (root@cherry.midcoast.com [204.117.57.204]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05659; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:09:29 -0400 From: Received: from localhost (mlaing@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cherry.midcoast.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA00141; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:12:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlaing@cherry.midcoast.com Reply-To: Michael_Laing@Harvard.edu Subject: Linux on Thinkpad 760E series To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Does anyone run linux on these machines? I am eager to get one but I must be able to run linux as well as NT. Thanks Micahel Laing From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 07:35:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA165491752; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 07:35:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04657; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:47:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:44:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04383; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:44:02 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04377; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 06:43:59 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA23307; Wed, 11 Sep 96 06:40:25 EDT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 06:40:25 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609111040.AA23307@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, clear@mail.skyinet.net Subject: Re: help on CD/Floppy how swapping on 760eld needed Carlos asks " I would truly appreciate any help on CD-ROM drive/ Floppy drive hot or warm swapping. I've tried it several ways and the newly inserted drive just does not register. Could I be using some wrong settings? Any pointers would be most welcome." You need to tell us which OS you are using, since this is a software s well as a hardware issue. For example, as far as I can tell, there is no hope for hot swapping at all under OS/2. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 08:57:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA172786622; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:57:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13235; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:53:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12765; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:53:13 -0400 Received: from tiger.avana.net (tiger.avana.net [205.245.133.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12752; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:53:08 -0400 Received: from [207.69.185.60] by tiger.avana.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Apr96-1201PM) id AA31364; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:52:51 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960911125251.0068a904@tiger.avana.net> X-Sender: lrj@tiger.avana.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:52:51 -0400 To: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" From: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: floppy/cd hot swap under Win95 on 760eld Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu I suppose it depends on what they mean by "hot-swapping". I can lift the keyboard, wait for the machine to suspend, swap the CDROM & floppy drive, close it up, and it works just fine. This is under Win95 on a TP760CD. -- Lew Jansen At 01:07 PM 9/11/96 +0800, you wrote: >Just spoke to the Techline of IBM Philippines and they claim that hot >swapping of the floppy/CD-ROM is not possible under WIN95. Just would >like to know if anyone can confirm this? Because I find it strange and >inconvenient. Thanks. > >Carlos ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lrj@avana.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 09:02:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA173036937; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:02:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13700; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:01:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13476; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:00:24 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13458; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:00:17 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA09527 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5178; Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:59:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9609111559.AA5178@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 771E65978A2DE91A852563A20046BEDE; Wed, 11 Sep 96 08:59:28 EDT To: Bernardo Lam Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 11 Sep 96 8:54:36 EDT Subject: Re: 755Cs video/95 X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...The trick is to run the win95set.exe. It made some changes in some files and I think the most important one, adding the vesa.exe device driver in Config.sys. If you get the message that 256 colors (or something like that) is not supported, chances are that you are missing the vesa.exe...." ~~~~~ vesa.exe did it. thanks. but running win95set didn't do it. that diskette is the one that didn't have 9545 listed as an option. i ran it & chose 9525 just to see what would happen & it added vesa.exe to config.sys & now it runs great. thanks again. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 09:04:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA173237060; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:04:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13964; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:03:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:02:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13806; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:02:40 -0400 Received: from mailserver.mail1.com ([206.79.51.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13797; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:02:25 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mailserver.mail1.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 00000225; Wed, 11 Sep 96 05:50:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:47:39 -0700 Message-Id: <00000225.3146@palmtop.com> From: joe.bormel@palmtop.com (Joe.Bormel) Subject: Hard Drive Upgrades - notes for 755 family To: dliu@glink.net.hk Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu I've been looking for (and buying) drives for my thinkpad. I've broken the challenge into finding a reliable vendor who knows about thinkpads and finding a drive that someone says works in thinkpads. Here's what I've culled from this list serve. The rubber meets the road when you call around for price and availability. =A6Part Info: =A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6= =A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6 Toshiba Toshiba 1300Mb (MK1301MAV) drive (works in existing caddy) $499 (Multisys) Toshiba 810Mb (MK1926FCV) drive Toshiba MK2720FC (also 1.3G) thicker, its 19mm, need <=3D17mm IBM IBM 810 MB notebook drive = IBM model DVAA-2810, OEM P/N 84G3012 2.5" 19mm form factor Lower power consumption and faster access time than comparable Tosh= iba IBM Travelstar XP 1.2G drives = These are apparently the OEM "bare drive" versions = of the 1.2G drives used in Thinkpads; = they're 17mm high -- OEM model # is DPRA-21215 See http://www.almaden.ibm.com:80/storage/oem/matrix.htm 1.2Gig drive $780 85G8562 810MB drive $450 FRU P/N 85G0961 ASM P/N 85G0968 84G2355 =A6Companies =A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6= =A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6=A6 Sigma Data 800/446-4525. 1.08 gig $845 - includes IBM EasyServ warrenty coverage + 760 compat.= MultiSys, Inc, La Verne, CA Tel: (800) 316-8570 = http://www.multisys.net/multisys Fax: (909) 392-3696 = VISA/MC/Amex/Discover No Surcharge Drive Outlet Center 1-800-260-5944 = You will have to use your old plastic drive caddy. The Toshiba 850MB (12.5mm) is selling for $239 new = they said: -"drives dont work in thinkpad" Kahlon Inc: in Yorba Linda CA, = "IBM Thinkpad Hard Drives for 350, 360, 750, 755, All drives include removable case and installation instructions.= ..... 540MB: $550, ... 810MB: $785". = -feel free to edit and repost. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 10:30:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA183562219; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:30:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22057; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:28:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:25:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21707; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:25:04 -0400 Received: from mailserver.mail1.com (mailhost.mail1.com [206.79.51.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21657; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:24:48 -0400 Received: from ccMail by mailserver.mail1.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.03 (Beta 2) Enterprise) id 0000028F; Wed, 11 Sep 96 07:23:25 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:14:05 -0700 Message-Id: <0000028F.3146@palmtop.com> From: joe.bormel@palmtop.com (Joe.Bormel) Subject: Help: Redhat Linux Installation on TP755CX/24meg/810M To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I just bought the Red Hat Linux 3.03, march '96 CDs two weeks ago. I've spent the obligatory 20 hours of getting the CD-ROM recognized, multiple re-installing, re-reading the user guide, Linux Unleashed and FAQs, re-partitioning the harddisk, and even getting the system up (for a while) on a 180 Meg drive, with MetroX running at 640 x 480 x 256. So, I bought a couple of bigger hard drives and haven't had a successful installation on my TP755CX, 24 Meg, 810 Meg toshiba drive. If you have any experience and wish to help, read on. The first time I installed on the 810 Meg drive, it completed but the file system was read only and without an /etc/inittab. It was unable to do very much at the #bash prompt except complain about the file system being read only. The second attempt I tried to follow the redhat user guide recommendations regarding partitioning to the letter. Unfortuneately, cfdisk would only allow me 4 partitions. No more. Q: What is the difference between primary and logical types and which do I need for "/", "/usr" , "/home" etc? So, I setup: /dev/hda1 primary DOS 79 meg /dos /dev/hda5 logical Linux swap 29 meg /dev/hda3 primary Linux 30 meg / /dev/hda4 primary Linux 637 meg /usr That's all I could partition. After 90 minutes of package unloading, I went thru to the re-boot and got: Kernel panic: EXT2-fs panic (device 3/1): ext2_read_inode: unable to read i-node block - inode=24193, block=98310 What should I try next? TIA -Joe PS I have reviewed Linux on the Thinkpad FAQ but its hard to figure out exactly what's applicable and what's not given the dates of software revs, the relationship to redhat, and configuration nuances. Q: What kind of responsiveness have people experienced with the Red Hat Support team? My current ticket is over a week old and I'm still waiting. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 11:21:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA191025292; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:21:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27217; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:19:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:17:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26911; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:17:09 -0400 Received: from cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.240.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26900; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:17:04 -0400 Received: from hobie.engr.wisc.edu (hobie.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.58]) by cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail 1.1/CAE1.1) with SMTP id KAA19235 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:18:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609111518.KAA19235@cae.wisc.edu> X-Sender: redmond@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:17:30 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Redmond Subject: External MIDI on 755CD I have tried just about everything to get external MIDI to work on my TP 755CD running WIN 95. I finally verified that the Joystick port works for Joysticks. But when I do Midi, I get no error messages, and nothing comes out of my synth. Connecting the synth to a desktop with a SB card works fine. Internal Midi synth works fine. One strange thing is that the MIDI setup seems to have no option for defining instruments. It seems that would be critical to doing channel and voice mappings. I can't find access to the equivalent of the Midi Mapper with the Mwave MIDI support. Has anyone gotten this to work? If so, how are you set up? Thanks Mike Redmond Michael Redmond Director, Computer-Aided Engineering Center University of Wisconsin, Madison (608) 263-1584 FAX (608) 265-4546 Email: redmond@engr.wisc.edu WWW: http://www.cae.wisc.edu/staff/redmond.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 11:38:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA193626287; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:38:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28566; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28223; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:29:44 -0400 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28198; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:29:36 -0400 Received: from beesong (ppp5.yreka.snowcrest.net [206.245.194.37]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA28704 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:29:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:29:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199609111529.IAA28704@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Sender: beesong@snowcrest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kate Bauer Subject: 755CD vs 760ED I've been interested in upgrading from my 755CD to the 760ED but have started to hesitate about doing so because of some of the things I've read here about the 760ED--heat, problem with hot-swapping CD-ROM/floppy drive, mushy keyboard, etc. (I really like the 755CD keyboard.) Has anyone made the move from a 755CD to a 760ED who can express their opinions/regrets/satisfaction? Kate From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 11:57:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA195567473; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:57:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01183; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:56:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:54:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00866; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:54:32 -0400 Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00860; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:54:30 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.167.214]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA02101 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:54:19 -0400 Received: by user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9FD8.01214310@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:54:36 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB9FD8.01214310@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> From: Mark Rees To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad 560 IR Port Setup Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:54:34 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know how to get the IR port setup on the 560 (using Win95)? I am totally confused as to why I have to select a com port, also The only choice I have is to select COM4, which is already the Motorola PC Card. I have downloaded the Win95 update and loaded it, but it does not help. I ordered this machine from mail order. So who do I call for serious tech support? Thanks! Mark Rees 19819 Stough Farm Road Cornelius, NC 28031 (704) 896-0380 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 12:19:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA198118774; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:19:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03737; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:17:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:11:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02945; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:11:33 -0400 Received: from mail13.digital.com (mail13.digital.com [192.208.46.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02934; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:11:29 -0400 Received: from mroexc2.mro.dec.com by mail13.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id MAA02657; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mroexc2.mro.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BB9FD9.76CB3890@mroexc2.mro.dec.com>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:05:03 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Kate Bauer'" Subject: RE: 755CD vs 760ED Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:04:58 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kate: I have, and the jury is still out I do like the 12.1 inch screen and the Pentium 133 processor but there are some of the things that are not quite ready for prime time yet. But depending on how long you have had your 755 they were not ready for that box when it first came out either. My biggest complaint is the keyboard it works OK but you have to hit the key harder than on the 755 and it takes a little getting used to. I bet a touch typest would go crazy???? Gary ---------- From: Kate Bauer[SMTP:beesong@snowcrest.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 1996 11:29 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CD vs 760ED I've been interested in upgrading from my 755CD to the 760ED but have started to hesitate about doing so because of some of the things I've read here about the 760ED--heat, problem with hot-swapping CD-ROM/floppy drive, mushy keyboard, etc. (I really like the 755CD keyboard.) Has anyone made the move from a 755CD to a 760ED who can express their opinions/regrets/satisfaction? Kate From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 12:26:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA199279166; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:26:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04403; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:23:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:19:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03835; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:19:11 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp4.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03801; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:18:57 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0v0s6x-0002D8C; Thu, 12 Sep 96 00:25 SST Message-Id: From: hosler@lugs.org.sg (Greg Hosler) Subject: Re: your mail To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg (Elvin) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 00:25:57 +0800 (SST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Elvin" at Sep 11, 96 11:09:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text I have a ESS688 on my laptop, and it works fine. however, I had some problems at 1st. Note that it is NOT the same as the sb (but you do answer Y to the SB question, just some of the further questions you have to fine tune). the 688 is NOT a 16 bit chipset, so you should not be answering to that. you MUST get the DMA & IRQ set correctly. That's the cause of my initial problems. On my laptop, the DMA or IRQ was not the standard default. If you have windows working, search the ini files or something in the windows directory. also, call the service center for your laptop, and ask them what the irq, DMA, and address is for the ESS688. be sure to get the values. guessing will lead to probnlems, and lots of time lost... -Greg > > Hi, > > I just got maplay 1.2 compiled under Linux Kernel 2.0.0 on my IBM > Thinkpad 701C. It has a ESS688 chipset for sound. It is SB compatatible > and has support for 16bit playback/recording. > The kernel has SB support compiled in it. > When I tried to play a mpeg audio layer II file, I get the > following errorr.... The music plays for like about 10-20 seconds, then > dies with the error...... > > Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? > write to /dev/dsp failed: I/O error > > Here's my /dev/sndstat > > Sound Driver:3.5.2-960330 (Wed Sep 11 09:28:46 SGT 1996 root, > Linux dupre 2.0.0 #4 Wed Sep 11 01:38:05 SGT 1996 i486) > Kernel: Linux dupre 2.0.0 #5 Wed Sep 11 09:29:21 SGT 1996 i486 > Config options: 0 > > Installed drivers: > Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM > Type 2: SoundBlaster > Type 6: SoundBlaster 16bit > Type 7: SB MPU > > Card config: > SoundBlaster at 0x220 irq 7 drq 1,5 > (SB MPU at 0x388 irq 7 drq 0) > OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388 irq 0 drq 0 > > Audio devices: > 0: ESS ES1688 AudioDrive (rev 6) > > Synth devices: > 0: Yamaha OPL-3 > > Midi devices: > > Timers: > 0: System clock > > Mixers: > 0: SoundBlaster > > Any ideas ? Doom and other sound apps work fine.... > > Elvin > -- > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Visit NuKeM at http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/park/9868 | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 12:43:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA201440210; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:43:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06021; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:41:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:37:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05665; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:37:44 -0400 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05656; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:37:39 -0400 Received: from beesong (ppp1.yreka.snowcrest.net [206.245.194.33]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA02008 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:37:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 09:37:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199609111637.JAA02008@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Sender: beesong@snowcrest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kate Bauer Subject: Re: Video cables for 755CD Yes, I've used the video in/out capability successfully on the 755CD, but it took a while to figure out. The key is to use the supplement that came with the owner's manual, as the original manual doesn't really give any information. But I'm not using OS/2, so that may be the main root of the problem you're having, Phillip. Briefly, here's what I've done: for video-out to TV, hook the 755CD video out cable direct to the video in on the TV monitor. To tape animation, titles, or anything on the computer screen, run the video out cable on the Thinkpad to the video in on your VCR. In all cases you'll need to make sure that Enhanced Video is selected as a device driver as shown in the supplemental manual. Kate At 08:58 AM 9/11/96 +0100, you wrote: >>Does anyone know if video in/out cables are included with the 755CD? >>My father was given one from his office and I wanted to try out >>some of the "enhanced video" capabilities but the the video in/out >>ports are an unusual 3 pin mini-din which I've never seen before. >>The Hardware reference manual I have lists a Video Conversion Cable >>(part 85G1897) and IBM parts has it for about $26. I'm just wondering >>if this comes standard with the machine or it's an optional extra. >>Thanks > >The TP 755CD from my father came with 2 of these cables. >They have the same P/N. On the side it says: >"IBM P/N 85G1880 FRU P/N 85G1897" >So, these are the ones you needs. BUT: I have never got >any video functions to work! Does anyone know how to >use video-in or at least LCD->TV conversion? >To make it a bit harder, this has to run under OS/2! > >Ciao, Philipp! > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 13:19:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA206492389; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:19:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08836; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:18:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:15:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08450; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:15:46 -0400 Received: from smtp.datcon.co.uk (smtp.datcon.co.uk [192.91.191.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08437; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:15:40 -0400 Received: by smtp.datcon.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BBA00D.15CAC590@smtp.datcon.co.uk>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:14:34 +0100 Message-Id: From: Nick Weeds To: "'Kate Bauer'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Video cables for 755CD Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:12:35 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Encoding: 55 TEXT Somehow I got sent a copy of this email. It seems that machine cs.utk.edu forwarded the message to the ietf.org and ietf.org probably sent it out to everybody on the IETF mailing list. I assume that this wasn't meant for the IETF mailing list ... Anyway, your email is probably getting a large audience, and you should probably talk to your mail administrators. Nick Weeds. >---------- >From: Kate Bauer[SMTP:beesong@snowcrest.net] >Sent: 11 September 1996 17:37 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Video cables for 755CD > >Yes, I've used the video in/out capability successfully on the 755CD, but it >took a while to figure out. The key is to use the supplement that came with >the owner's manual, as the original manual doesn't really give any >information. But I'm not using OS/2, so that may be the main root of the >problem you're having, Phillip. Briefly, here's what I've done: for >video-out to TV, hook the 755CD video out cable direct to the video in on >the TV monitor. To tape animation, titles, or anything on the computer >screen, run the video out cable on the Thinkpad to the video in on your VCR. >In all cases you'll need to make sure that Enhanced Video is selected as a >device driver as shown in the supplemental manual. > >Kate > >At 08:58 AM 9/11/96 +0100, you wrote: >>>Does anyone know if video in/out cables are included with the 755CD? >>>My father was given one from his office and I wanted to try out >>>some of the "enhanced video" capabilities but the the video in/out >>>ports are an unusual 3 pin mini-din which I've never seen before. >>>The Hardware reference manual I have lists a Video Conversion Cable >>>(part 85G1897) and IBM parts has it for about $26. I'm just wondering >>>if this comes standard with the machine or it's an optional extra. >>>Thanks >> >>The TP 755CD from my father came with 2 of these cables. >>They have the same P/N. On the side it says: >>"IBM P/N 85G1880 FRU P/N 85G1897" >>So, these are the ones you needs. BUT: I have never got >>any video functions to work! Does anyone know how to >>use video-in or at least LCD->TV conversion? >>To make it a bit harder, this has to run under OS/2! >> >>Ciao, Philipp! >> >> >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 13:20:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA206572433; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:20:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08816; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:18:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:16:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08508; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:16:15 -0400 Received: from mail.skyinet.net (MAIL.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08500; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:16:11 -0400 Received: from jcms.sequel.net by mail.skyinet.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA24469; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 01:15:58 +0800 Message-Id: <3236F52D.57D6@skyinet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 01:21:49 +0800 From: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Reply-To: clear@mail.skyinet.net Organization: CLeaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad users group Subject: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I would just like to explain further my problems on the topic. I'm using a 760ELD running under Windows 95. The machine came with Win95 so the CD-ROM drive is not using DOS drivers. I lift the keyboard up, the machine goes into suspend mode, I swap the CD for the floppy drive and when the machine resumes it simply does not see the floppy drive. The Floppy icon in My Computer is there but double-clicking it would bring the "Drive not Ready" error. Booting with the floppy and swapping to the CD-ROM is worse, the CD-ROM icon won't even appear. I don't seem to see any conflicts in System Properties of the devices. Called IBM Philippines and they claim that the function only works under Win3.1 but not WIN95 (did'nt ask about other OSes). But I find this strange and inconvenient. Just wondering if anyone could help me figure this out. Thanks in advance. Carlos From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 13:21:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA206782494; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:21:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08984; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:19:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:18:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08781; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:18:00 -0400 Received: from demeter.leftbank.com (sneaker.net [192.31.227.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08743; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:17:52 -0400 Received: (from kenyee@localhost) by demeter.leftbank.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-http://www.LeftBank.com/) id NAA07242; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609111717.NAA07242@demeter.leftbank.com> From: Ken Yee To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Gary Henry on Wed, 11 Sep 1996 12:04:58 -0400) Subject: Re: 755CD vs 760ED > My biggest complaint is the keyboard it works OK but you have to hit > the key harder than on the 755 and it takes a little getting used to. > I bet a touch typest would go crazy???? When I posted my review of the 760CD, I said I was having problems with touch typing on it, but no one believed me...glad to hear other people have the same opinion. Maybe IBM will fix the keyboard eventually... ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 13:33:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA208513223; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:33:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10089; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:31:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:29:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09735; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:29:11 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09720; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:29:08 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I9CRE0KHGW002E5F@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: RE: 755CD vs 760ED In-Reply-To: Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <842462930.559497.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: Hi - > My biggest complaint is the keyboard it works OK but you have to hit > the key harder than on the 755 and it takes a little getting used to. > I bet a touch typest would go crazy???? Wow - and I already really have to pound on my 755. How can IBM have made some of the greatest keyboards ever in the past and now we have this...?? Of course these other keyboards were not on laptops either but nevertheless this is hard to understand. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 13:40:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA209513618; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:40:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10879; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:39:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:37:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10758; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:37:49 -0400 Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10752; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from dasexc1.das.dec.com by mail11.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id NAA05958; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dasexc1.das.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BB9FE6.11FABC80@dasexc1.das.dec.com>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:35:17 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Ken Yee'" Subject: RE: 755CD vs 760ED Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:34:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You probally meant ED....... Once I get off the road and have a few days of not using the machine, I probally will TRY to have EASYSERVE replace the keyboard..... Gary ---------- From: Ken Yee[SMTP:kenyee@demeter.leftbank.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 1996 1:17 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CD vs 760ED > My biggest complaint is the keyboard it works OK but you have to hit > the key harder than on the 755 and it takes a little getting used to. > I bet a touch typest would go crazy???? When I posted my review of the 760CD, I said I was having problems with touch typing on it, but no one believed me...glad to hear other people have the same opinion. Maybe IBM will fix the keyboard eventually... ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 13:44:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA209973898; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:44:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11342; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:43:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:40:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11001; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:40:38 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10987; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:40:32 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id NAA20633 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5922; Wed, 11 Sep 96 13:40:45 -0700 Message-Id: <9609112040.AA5922@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 30405F60BFB0A654852563A20060C149; Wed, 11 Sep 96 13:40:45 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 11 Sep 96 13:40:11 EDT Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...Called IBM Philippines and they claim that the function only works under Win3.1 but not WIN95..." ~~~~~ i don't get it either. i have the exact same problem on my 755cd. worked fine in 3.11, but not in win95. we have 6 or 8 755cd's now & i have yet to see it work in any of them in 95, or fail in 3.11. others in this list claim hot-swapping success in win95, though, so i don't get it-- unless they're using the old real mode drivers. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 14:05:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA212855130; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:05:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12959; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:03:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:02:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12722; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:02:24 -0400 Received: from pdx.oneworld.com (iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com [204.87.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12714; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:02:19 -0400 Received: by pdx.oneworld.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0v0tbY-000hqiC; Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:01 PDT Received: from lscsjc.latticesemi.com by lscc.lattice.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0v0taQ-000SIwC; Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:00 PDT Received: from joshua.poker by lscsjc.latticesemi.com (4.1/LSC-SM-1.3) id AA28699; Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:00:32 PDT Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:00:32 PDT From: cmoon@lscsjc.latticesemi.com (Cho Moon) Message-Id: <9609111800.AA28699@lscsjc.latticesemi.com> Received: by joshua.poker (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26897; Wed, 11 Sep 96 11:00:32 PDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701cs: 16000KB or 16384KB? Hello, Is there anybody out who has 16MB of memory on 701cs? Could you tell me how much memory it reports at the boot time? Mine reports 16000KB, and this seems a little strange, as my wife's Compaq reports 16384KB. The reason why I'm asking this is that I'm running into some nasty fatal errors and I wonder if this is due to the used memory chips that I installed. Any help would be appreciated. All the best, Cho Moon | Cho W. Moon | | Lattice Semiconductor, 1820 McCarthy Blvd., Milpitas, CA 95035-7425 | | (408) 428-6400x250 (voice) (408) 944-8444 (fax) cmoon@latticesemi.com | From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 14:15:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA214665743; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:15:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13843; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:14:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:13:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13749; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:13:16 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13728; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:13:08 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-d-52.usc.edu [128.125.222.124]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA19094; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:12:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960911181316.00715b78@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 11:13:16 -0700 To: Mark Rees From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560 IR Port Setup Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" At 11:54 AM 9/11/96 -0400, Mark Rees wrote: >Does anyone know how to get the IR port setup on the 560 (using Win95)? > >I am totally confused as to why I have to select a com port, also >The only choice I have is to select COM4, which is already the Motorola PC Card. I don't know what to say--I have had some trouble getting the 701C's IR port to be recognized by LapLink Win (under Win 95), but the 560 I got--no problem! In the "system devices" box, it looks like a plain 'ol COM port. Its set as Com 2, physical port is Com 1, and my modem is Com 3. Maybe its no the 560 you have a problem with, but whatever machine you're trying to get the 560 to talk to? All I can say is that I was pleasantly surprised at how simple & easy it was to get the 560 to "speak" IR under Win 95, compared to the trouble I had with the 701C. I think you might want to install the IR drivers--either get them >from the IBM web site or make it using the diskette factory thingies. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 14:51:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA220607891; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:51:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16991; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:49:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:47:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16682; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:46:59 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16676; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:46:49 -0400 Received: from nightgaunt.execpc.com (nightgaunt.execpc.com [169.207.8.14]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA10075 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:47:27 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CD vs 760ED Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:49:30 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <323707bf.16655347@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 08:29:26 -0700, Kate Bauer wrote: >I've been interested in upgrading from my 755CD to the 760ED but have >started to hesitate about doing so because of some of the things I've read >here about the 760ED--heat, problem with hot-swapping CD-ROM/floppy drive, >mushy keyboard, etc. (I really like the 755CD keyboard.) Has anyone made >the move from a 755CD to a 760ED who can express their >opinions/regrets/satisfaction? > >Kate > We have one 760ED. It's our first and only Thinkpad, running Windows 3.1. I have had 3 significant problems that are in various states: 1. The MPEG system got crippled. IBM never could figure how, but the problem is gone and was probably due to an interupt conflict caused by my 3c589c card or by misconfiguration by the PCMCIA for Windows utility. I could have also been the inadvertant cause of the problem. 2. Win32s problems, caused by Procomm Plus 3.0's installation slaughtering of the installed driver. After cleaning out 3 files in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM that Win32s uses, and then re-installing, the problem went away. It's not a Thinkpad problem, except that it uses Win32s for the multimedia drivers. 3. After being on for about 5-8 hours, the system locks up, whether in Windows or in DOS. I'm sending it back for repair. The BIOS test would go fruity during this time, locking up or creating a fractured image. This is now the most serious of the problems. Obviously, heat is a suspect. I agree with the other comments about having to press more than usual on the keyboard. MPEG is nice - it's fun to show the 30MB 1 minute set of clips from "True Lies" that IBM includes on their MPEG sampler CD. Speakers are good and we currently have no dead pixels. The modem works fine for surfing the Web. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: tom.kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 14:53:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA221368036; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:53:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17333; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:51:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:50:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17073; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:50:14 -0400 Received: from demeter.leftbank.com (sneaker.net [192.31.227.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17044; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:50:09 -0400 Received: (from kenyee@localhost) by demeter.leftbank.com (8.7.5/8.7.3-http://www.LeftBank.com/) id OAA07787; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 14:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609111845.OAA07787@demeter.leftbank.com> From: Ken Yee To: HenryG@mail.dec.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: (message from Gary Henry on Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:34:56 -0400) Subject: Re: 755CD vs 760ED > You probally meant ED....... > Once I get off the road and have a few days of not using the machine, > I probally will TRY to have EASYSERVE replace the keyboard..... Nope..I'm one of the unlucky ones who got a CD three months before they announced the ED. You'd think that they'd allow a motherboard swap since all the external parts are the same, but nooooo... I'd be surprised if Easyserve would let you replace the keyboard: you : "I'd like to replace a defective keyboard" E: "what seems to be the problem with it" you: "the keys are way too mushy and I can only touch type at half speed on it" E: "the keys aren't mushy, they're quiet, sir. you'll just have to live with it. Besides, we don't make youre keyboard any more..your machine has been superceded by the 770" Well..maybe not, but let us know if you do get a better keyboard ;-) ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 15:25:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA228649925; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:25:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20808; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:23:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:20:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20339; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:20:22 -0400 Received: from apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu (apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.18.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20299; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:20:16 -0400 Received: from war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu by apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Dec94-0213PM) id AA15590; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:20:07 -0400 From: "M. Arifi Koseoglu" Received: by war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/08Jul96-1245PM) id AA25536; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:21:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:21:56 -0400 Message-Id: <9609111921.AA25536@war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu> To: cmoon@lscsjc.latticesemi.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9609111800.AA28699@lscsjc.latticesemi.com> (cmoon@lscsjc.latticesemi.com) Subject: Re: TP701cs: 16000KB or 16384KB? Reply-To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu > Mine reports 16000KB, and this seems a little strange, as my wife's > Compaq reports 16384KB. The reason why I'm asking this is that I'm Mine reports 16000 too, the 384 is most probably: 1. Being used to shadow bios or 2. Getting lost in the definitions of KB and MB (1000 ve 1024 - kinda problem) Cheers, Arifi From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 15:50:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA232341435; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:50:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23233; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:47:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:46:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22988; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:46:09 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22982; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:46:05 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA12332; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17122; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:46:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:46:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof Reply-To: Joshua Hosseinof To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem In-Reply-To: <9609112040.AA5922@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've got hot swapping working fine on my 755cd in win95. The config.sys has the IBMTPCD.SYS driver load, and autoexec has MSCDEX loaded. Windows 95 thinks the CDROM is a "Standard CDROM drive". When you lift up the keyboard on your does it go fully into suspend mode? And what happens after you switch the CDROM with the floppy drive while its in suspend mode? On 11 Sep 1996, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > "...Called IBM Philippines and they claim that the function only works under > Win3.1 but not WIN95..." > > ~~~~~ > i don't get it either. i have the exact same problem on my 755cd. worked fine > in 3.11, but not in win95. we have 6 or 8 755cd's now & i have yet to see it > work in any of them in 95, or fail in 3.11. others in this list claim > hot-swapping success in win95, though, so i don't get it-- unless they're using > the old real mode drivers. > > > Michael J. Verne > Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group > michael_verne@vmedia.com > http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ > ------------------------------- > If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor > in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 16:13:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA236092788; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:13:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25512; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:10:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25201; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:07:45 -0400 Received: from thud.cs.utk.edu (THUD.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.228]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25196; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:07:43 -0400 From: Vaidy Sunderam Received: by thud.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA12985; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:07:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:07:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199609112007.QAA12985@thud.cs.utk.edu> To: markrees@mindspring.com, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560 IR Port Setup Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I too have had problems with my 560 IR port. W95 always shows device conflits, and none of the standard W95 methods (deleting harware, changing irq's, reetc) seems to work. I hope it isnt a problem with Tranxit2 (I dont know how else to test the IR port). Any tips would be appreciated. vaidy Sunderam From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 16:20:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA236913207; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:20:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26383; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:18:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:17:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26163; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:17:20 -0400 Received: from Owl.nstn.ca (owl.nstn.ca [137.186.128.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26157; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:17:17 -0400 Received: from innovacorp.ns.ca (nsrfc5.innovacorp.ns.ca [192.75.101.5]) by Owl.nstn.ca (8.7.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA00570 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:17:14 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hines (hines.innovacorp.ns.ca) by innovacorp.ns.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13013; Wed, 11 Sep 96 17:18:48 ADT Message-Id: <9609112018.AA13013@innovacorp.ns.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Alexander (Sandy) Hines" Organization: NS Research To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:23:00 -0400 Subject: hello to the group Reply-To: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) I recently (5 weeks) purchased a TP760ED. The only options I could get, due to budgets and what not, was an additional 8 megs, and a Xircom Ethernet adapter. I must say that I enjoy working with the machine so far excaept for the mushy keyboard(when I type i miss a lot of spaces and o's). I use Dragon Dictate V2.0 and it work fine except that the modem cannot be used at the same time as the microphone. Anyway I have been watching the mail from the group for about 7 weeks and decided it was time to say hi. I do have a question about the heating problem. I have been running the TP on the desktop since new and noticed that the underside got very warm. Today i went to move it and I almost burned my fingers. It was VERY hot on the outside so the internal temp must have been excessive. I also noticed that late in the afternaoon the voice recognition got slower and slower. Could be my imagination and have nothing to do with the heat? Has anyone else noticed a similar problem? Is it curable? Does it affect the MTBF of the CPU/motherboard/video/??? I now have 4 rubber feet under the machine and a small fan blowing air. The feet i can live with, the fan is not an option. Any experiences would be appreciated. I have one dead pixel. It came that way right out of the box. Top rght corner so not realy noticable. Enough for now. I like the info that the group shares and will start to participate in the future. Sandy Hines Alexander (Sandy) Hines Marketing and Sales Manager, Engineering Services Group "InNOVAcorp" Nova Scotia Innovation Corporation 100 Research Drive, PO Box 790 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada B2Y 3Z7 Phone: 902 424 8670 ext.155 Fax: 902 465 7384 Email: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca URL http://www.innovacorp.ns.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 17:04:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA243275863; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:04:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00629; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 17:00:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:56:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29959; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:56:40 -0400 Received: from tiger.avana.net (tiger.avana.net [205.245.133.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29946; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:56:31 -0400 Received: from littleboy.multisoft.com by tiger.avana.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/30Apr96-1201PM) id AA28382; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:56:24 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960911205613.00693c6c@tiger.avana.net> X-Sender: lrj@tiger.avana.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:56:13 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Lew Jansen Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem And just to add to the confusion, on my TP760CD, I am *NOT* using the IBMTPCD.SYS driver, it's commented out in my config.sys: ---------------------------------------------------- c:\>type config.sys rem DEVICE=c:\cd\IBMTPCD.SYS /R DEVICE=C:\MWW\MANAGER\MWD50430.EXE [common] device=C:\V7320\V7320MGR.EXE device=C:\V7320\V7320APM.EXE c:\> ---------------------------------------------------- I did a semi-clean Win95 installation by booting from a Windows95-generated boot floppy and moving *everything* inluding hidden/system files in C:\ to a subdirectory, issuing "SYS C:", and installing Win95. I used the 16-bit CDROM drivers just long enough to do the installation. System->DeviceManager shows a TEAC CD-44E as my CDROM, and under the Performance tab it claims my system is "configured for optimum performance". -- Lew At 03:46 PM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote: >I've got hot swapping working fine on my 755cd in win95. The config.sys >has the IBMTPCD.SYS driver load, and autoexec has MSCDEX loaded. Windows >95 thinks the CDROM is a "Standard CDROM drive". When you lift up the >keyboard on your does it go fully into suspend mode? And what happens >after you switch the CDROM with the floppy drive while its in suspend >mode? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lew Jansen lrj@avana.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 18:17:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA254040263; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:17:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07484; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:16:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:10:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06823; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:10:46 -0400 Received: from morgana.punk.net (root@[204.212.160.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06811; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:10:41 -0400 Received: (from sparker@localhost) by morgana.punk.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA02500; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:13:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 15:13:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Cho Moon Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701cs: 16000KB or 16384KB? In-Reply-To: <9609111800.AA28699@lscsjc.latticesemi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Cho Moon wrote: > Mine reports 16000KB, and this seems a little strange, as my wife's > Compaq reports 16384KB. The reason why I'm asking this is that I'm > running into some nasty fatal errors and I wonder if this is due to > the used memory chips that I installed. This is common on many PC's and is very historical. Out of the first 1MB block of memory the 8086 addresses 640K was used for DOS and the rest was mapped for various I/O functions. 1024K-640K=384K.. =) Some motherboard/chipset combinations are capable of relocating the 384K of RAM "underneath" this I/O range out of the reserved area. Steve From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 19:51:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA265935910; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:51:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13378; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:47:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13145; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:47:25 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13138; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 19:47:23 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA43437 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 23:47:21 GMT Received: from unknown(130.99.86.204) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaqakDFW; Wed Sep 11 23:47:11 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960911234701.0066f8f0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: rbkast@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 18:47:01 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Kasten Subject: Re: 755CD vs 760ED At 01:17 PM 9/11/96 -0400, you wrote: >> My biggest complaint is the keyboard it works OK but you have to hit >> the key harder than on the 755 and it takes a little getting used to. >> I bet a touch typest would go crazy???? > >When I posted my review of the 760CD, I said I was having problems >with touch typing on it, but no one believed me...glad to hear >other people have the same opinion. Maybe IBM will fix the keyboard >eventually... > ken Yeah. The 760 keyboard is just garbage and all the tech support give you exactly the same spiel when asked about it...almost like they are reading a prepared statement. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 20:52:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA275139522; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:52:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17141; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:51:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:48:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16874; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:48:31 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16868; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:48:28 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09297 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA36817; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:49:00 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:48:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tips files on IBM ftp site Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Two days ago IBM put some very useful tips files on the IBM ftp site (ftp.pc.ibm.com in /pub/pccbbs/mobiles) for all the thinkpad lines. The files are: 365ctips.txt 560_tips.txt 701_tips.txt 750_tips.txt 755_tips.txt 760_tips.txt Each one is about 40k and contains tips on configuration problems for win95 win 3.1 and NT, and OS/2 and dos. It mentions the solution to the problem I was having when I tried enabling the enhanced video option of the 755cd under win95. I figured it out a couple of days ago, but the solution was to reinstall a current version of the Utility diskette (uttdxxx.exe). It may have the solution to the problem you are experiencing. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 20:55:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA276229703; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:55:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17461; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:53:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:51:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17269; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:51:50 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17252; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:51:46 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA09640 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30208; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:52:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 20:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Deciphering product announcements Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now after reading this I still can't tell whether you can use this CDROM as a replacement for the one inside a 760CD or it has to be used inside the dock. If its for the dock, why buy this when you can get a 10X CDROM for probably a lower price than this one. Options by IBM: IBM ThinkPad 760, Dock I and II, and SelectaDock 6X CD-ROM Drive Upgrade Announced on September 10, 1996 Hardware Announcement 196188 At a Glance This new CD-ROM drive upgrade features: o 6X performance for today's demanding multimedia applications o CD-DA audio playback and digital audio data transfer o Use of 5.25-inch and 3.5-inch media without an adapter For technical support: o Call the HelpCenter(R) (800-426-7299) or o Request technical information via IBM Faxback (800-426-3395) Overview The 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM Drive is IBM's latest addition to the Options by IBM family of CD-ROM products. The 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM Drive, which features 6X performance (900 KB/s data transfer rate) and MPC-2 compliance, is ideally suited for running today's demanding multimedia applications. This drive gives you access to the growing list of software and databases now available on CDs. The drive connects directly to the internal IDE controller in the system unit. Key Prerequisites The 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM Drive is supported on selected ThinkPad(R) 760, Dock I and II, SelectaDock, and non-IBM systems that adhere to connection specifications described under Hardware Requirements. Availability Date: September 10, 1996 IBM 6X INTERNAL IDE CD-ROM DRIVE (85G1957) Technical Information Performance Specifications 6X Speed Maximum Sustained Burst Data transfer rate 900 KB/s 14.3 MB/s (DMA or PIO) Average access 200 ms Physical Specifications o Approximate height: 19.4 mm (0.76 in) o Approximate width: 130.6 mm (5.10 in) o Approximate depth: 144.5 mm (5.70 in) Operating Environment o Temperature: 5(degs) to 51.7(degs)C (41(degs) to 125(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 8% to 80% (non-condensing) Agency Approvals o FCC Part-15 o VCCI Class-2 o CISPER-22 o MPR-II o UL 1950 o C UL o SEMKO o CE Mark Energy Star-Compliant: No Note: The Energy Star emblem does not represent EPA endorsement of any product or service. Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM Drive (#2430, 85G1957) is supported on the following IBM platforms: Machine System Name Type Model ThinkPad 760 9547 U4H, U4F, U6F, U6G, U4R, U4S, U6R 9546 U3B, U3L ThinkPad Dock I and II All SelectaDock 3547 001 Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: The 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM Drive is supported in systems with available IDE ports that adhere to ATA specification X3T9.2D 948D Revision 2b, dated April 17, 1994. Software Requirements: The following operating systems are supported: Description Version OS/2(R) Warp (3.5-inch diskettes or CD-ROM) 3.0 Operating System/2(R) LAN Server Entry (diskettes or CD-ROM) 4.0 LAN Server Advanced (diskettes or CD-ROM) 4.0 IBM Communications Manager/2 1.1 IBM Database/2 OS/2 1.0 Description Version MS-DOS 6.22 Microsoft Windows+ 3.11 Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11 Windows 95 DOS 6.3 and 7.0 Compatibility: Refer to the Hardware Requirements section. Limitations o The 4X CD-ROM Drive Adapter (39H3987) is required when installing the 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM Drive in the ThinkPad Dock I or II. o When using a ThinkPad 760 E/EL/ED/ELD with a ThinkPad Dock I or II, the IDE Adapter Kit (46H5994) is required in addition to the 4X CD-ROM Drive Adapter (39H3987) with the 6X Internal IDE CD-ROM. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: Approximately 30 minutes Packaging: One box Shipment Group o CD-ROM drive o Device driver diskette o Install publication o OBI registration card Publications Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S78H-6424, 78H6424) is available. Security, Auditability, and Control For security and auditability, this product uses a system-based, user-invoked password function to prevent use by unauthorized persons User management is responsible for evaluation, selection, and implementation of security features, administrative procedures, and appropriate controls in application systems and communications. Terms and Conditions Field-Installable Yes Customer Setup Yes Warranty: Period 1 Year Service Type CCR Maintenance Agreement No Optional Upgrade No Central Facility Maintenance Service Option (CFMS) No Licensed Programs Yes Note: IBM programs are licensed under the terms and conditions of the IBM License Agreements that ship with the product. Non-IBM programs are available from IBM as distributed by the program supplier. All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support (800-426-7299) is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, to answer any questions about your new IBM option. Response time will vary depending on the number and nature of calls received. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. CHARGES Contact your IBM representative for charges information for this announcement. * ERP = estimated reseller price to end user. Actual reseller price may vary. (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation in the United States or other countries or both. + Registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 22:13:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA290044398; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:13:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23617; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:12:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:09:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23384; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:09:37 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23378; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:09:35 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_1.enteract.com (dialin_6_1.enteract.com [206.54.253.48]) by enteract.com (8.8.Beta.1/8.7.6) with SMTP id VAA15151 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 21:09:22 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701C and KXL-D720 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 02:09:43 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <3237700d.1799507@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Okay, I got the drive tonight and it's configured and working and recognized properly, thanks to the tips of some folks from the list. My only problem is that I can't hear audio CDs with the 701C's speaker. I downloaded the CD-player from the MS website, and I already have the PowerToy called FlexiCD. Both are capable of manipulating the CD drive fine, since with speakers attached I can hear all the changes I'm making and doing with no problem. I'd just like to be able to do it without lugging a pair of speakers everywhere. Any advice? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 22:22:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA290854939; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:22:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24385; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:21:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:20:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24194; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:20:20 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24184; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:20:17 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA14778; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA15471; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:20:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: Lew Jansen Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960911205613.00693c6c@tiger.avana.net> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just removed the IBMTPCD.SYS and MSCDEX.EXE from my config files. This was actually recommended by the 755_tips file. Hot swapping still works and Win95 now recognizes my 755CD drive as a TEAC40E. I don't have the v7320 stuff even on my hard drive, somebody deleted that before, but I do have DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE The MWD05430 is only needed for dos sessions (as in when you reboot into it, not a dos window). On Wed, 11 Sep 1996, Lew Jansen wrote: > > And just to add to the confusion, on my TP760CD, I am *NOT* using the > IBMTPCD.SYS > driver, it's commented out in my config.sys: > > ---------------------------------------------------- > c:\>type config.sys > rem DEVICE=c:\cd\IBMTPCD.SYS /R > DEVICE=C:\MWW\MANAGER\MWD50430.EXE > > [common] > device=C:\V7320\V7320MGR.EXE > device=C:\V7320\V7320APM.EXE > c:\> > ---------------------------------------------------- > > I did a semi-clean Win95 installation by booting from a > Windows95-generated boot floppy and moving *everything* inluding > hidden/system files in C:\ to a subdirectory, issuing "SYS C:", and > installing Win95. I used the 16-bit CDROM drivers just long > enough to do the installation. System->DeviceManager shows a TEAC CD-44E as > my CDROM, and under the Performance tab it claims my system is "configured > for optimum performance". > > -- Lew From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 22:40:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA292976005; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:40:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25654; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:38:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:37:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25420; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:37:21 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25412; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:37:13 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 04:37:04 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960912023641.006b6070@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:36:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: 701C and KXL-D720 hi ep! just a real quick thought, in case the interface doesn't support cd-audio, and i don't think that pcmcia supports analog audio on one of it's pins - usually the cd-audio support over pcmcia works when the controller card also acts as soundcard... then the audio doesn't have to pass through those pcmcia-pins... anyway, my quick thought: sliding my keyboard together, i just had a look at those three audio-jacks in front of the modem - isn't the middle on audio in? that's how i would parse the symbol, anyway, not havin the manual near and never having used any of the jacks... what i'm trying to suggest: can't you make a cable from the headphone-jack on the cd-rom to the audio-in on the thinkpad? then use the volume-control for audio-in, and the nifty little tools for the cd's will still work, as long as they don't try to adjust the volume, too... now if your cd-rom does support audio, or the jack is in fact audio out, please forgive, and i've simply improved my typing skills... axel At 02:09 12.09.96 GMT, you wrote: > Okay, I got the drive tonight and it's configured and working and >recognized properly, thanks to the tips of some folks from the list. My only >problem is that I can't hear audio CDs with the 701C's speaker. I downloaded >the CD-player from the MS website, and I already have the PowerToy called >FlexiCD. Both are capable of manipulating the CD drive fine, since with >speakers attached I can hear all the changes I'm making and doing with no >problem. I'd just like to be able to do it without lugging a pair of speakers >everywhere. > Any advice? > epbrown >epbrown@enteract.com >Laptop Central >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 11 22:53:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA294646780; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:53:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26729; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:52:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26560; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:50:29 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (root@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26547; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:50:26 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id WAA03331; Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:39:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C and KXL-D720 In-Reply-To: <3237700d.1799507@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, epbrown wrote: > Okay, I got the drive tonight and it's configured and working and > recognized properly, thanks to the tips of some folks from the list. My only > problem is that I can't hear audio CDs with the 701C's speaker. I downloaded > the CD-player from the MS website, and I already have the PowerToy called > FlexiCD. Both are capable of manipulating the CD drive fine, since with > speakers attached I can hear all the changes I'm making and doing with no > problem. I'd just like to be able to do it without lugging a pair of speakers > everywhere. Does the kxl-720 have a audio out jack?? (mini-phone) Are you expecting to have the audio singal come bach thru the pcmcia card?? I don't know the drive but I don't think this will happen. There is no audio return path. Go to Radio Shack and get a mini-phone to mini-phone cable and take the cd's output to the line in on the side of the 701. It's the center of the three jacks. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 02:38:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA024200333; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 02:38:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10962; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 02:37:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 02:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10617; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 02:34:05 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10611; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 02:34:01 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id EAA136215 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:42:50 GMT Received: from slip255.advantis.net.il(192.116.76.6) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaH0cCrx; Tue Sep 10 04:25:10 1996 Message-Id: <3234FB8D.6973@shani.net> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:24:30 +0200 From: Eran Tromer X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560-365X memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good evening. I have a 560 and am looking for 16MB memory uggrade. I've been offered (by Multiple Zones) a "560/365X" memory module. Is this possible? As far as I know, the EDO SO-SIMMs modules used by the 560 are not compatible with other ThinkPads. Regards, Eran Tromer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 08:07:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA057370046; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:07:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12704; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:06:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:01:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12358; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:01:57 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12352; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:01:54 -0400 Received: from dialin_13.enteract.com (dialin_13.enteract.com [206.54.253.28]) by enteract.com (8.8.Beta.1/8.7.6) with SMTP id HAA14246 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 07:01:49 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C and KXL-D720 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:02:18 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <3237fb03.4290232@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 22:39:29 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: "On Thu, 12 Sep 1996, epbrown wrote: " "> Okay, I got the drive tonight and it's configured and working and "> recognized properly, thanks to the tips of some folks from the list. My only "> problem is that I can't hear audio CDs with the 701C's speaker. I downloaded "> the CD-player from the MS website, and I already have the PowerToy called "> FlexiCD. Both are capable of manipulating the CD drive fine, since with "> speakers attached I can hear all the changes I'm making and doing with no "> problem. I'd just like to be able to do it without lugging a pair of speakers "> everywhere. " "Does the kxl-720 have a audio out jack?? (mini-phone) Are you expecting "to have the audio singal come bach thru the pcmcia card?? I don't know "the drive but I don't think this will happen. There is no audio return "path. Go to Radio Shack and get a mini-phone to mini-phone cable and take "the cd's output to the line in on the side of the 701. It's the center of "the three jacks. I'm aware of this. What I meant is that I'd like to be able to copy and audio cd file to the drive and play it, but nothing seems to recognize the format (*.cda). Does Win95 have some app that does this? Shareware? I've also noticed that the volume of the CD-ROM is low. Only audible at the highest settings. Is the normal or should I contact USAFlex for another one? epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 08:08:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA057440123; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:08:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12934; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:08:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:06:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12816; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:06:57 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12810; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:06:54 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-3.rust.net [206.42.195.103]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18525 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960912120710.0070a624@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:07:10 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: New Battery for 701c Had to replace my 10 month old Nicad, which must of had a weak cell. This will cause your battery timer to run very fast on that last hour of run time. For me it was about 45 minutes left, then nothing. Since battery are warranted for one year IBM was very kind and sent me out a new one. Because of postings to this news group, I was Not surprised by IBM sending me one of the newer NiMH batteries. This seems to have given me about 30 more minutes. Funny how those last 10 to 15 minutes seem to be so unusable with the low battery alarms going off. The old "Save now or Die!" :) B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 08:28:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA059211310; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:28:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14528; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:27:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14188; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:25:06 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14165; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:25:02 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA27629 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 08:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7110; Thu, 12 Sep 96 08:25:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9609121525.AA7110@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 089D425469CCF2DE852563A300431A40; Thu, 12 Sep 96 08:25:10 EDT To: Joshua Hosseinof Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 12 Sep 96 8:21:41 EDT Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...I've got hot swapping working fine on my 755cd in win95. The config.sys has the IBMTPCD.SYS driver load, and autoexec has MSCDEX loaded. Windows 95 thinks the CDROM is a "Standard CDROM drive". When you lift up the keyboard on your does it go fully into suspend mode? And what happens after you switch the CDROM with the floppy drive while its in suspend..." ~~~~~ as i suspected, you're using the old real mode drivers. i don't know what you mean by 'full suspend.' i never use suspend mode at all, so i'm not familiar with it. when i lift up the keyboard, the screen and lights blank. when i snap it back down, it takes a couple seconds for the screen to come back up & the mouse to respond. if i've swapped the cd & floppy in the mean time, the device is not recognized and often the os is locked up. i haven't noted whether cd-out-floppy-in regularly gives one response and floppy-out-cd-in gives another. i just know that sometimes i get an os with no device and sometimes i get no os. i have no config.sys, and my autoexec.bat only adds c:\mww\dll to the path, nothing else. i guess it's a trade off between a marginal stability improvement and a small piece of functionality. it's not really an issue for me anymore because i got my external floppy sleeve a while ago. fwiw, ibm wants $135 for this little piece of plastic that toshiba gives away with every cd laptop. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 10:40:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA074539212; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:40:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27362; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:38:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:33:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26564; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:33:32 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26543; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 10:33:27 -0400 Received: from arcnet.execpc.com (arcnet.execpc.com [169.207.8.128]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA15517; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 09:34:29 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hello to the group Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:36:43 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <32381ee9.2517432@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <9609112018.AA13013@innovacorp.ns.ca> In-Reply-To: <9609112018.AA13013@innovacorp.ns.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Wed, 11 Sep 1996 16:23:00 -0400, you wrote: >Anyway I have been watching the mail from the group for about 7 weeks and >decided it was time to say hi. I do have a question about the heating problem. > I have been running the TP on the desktop since new and noticed that the >underside got very warm. Today i went to move it and I almost burned my >fingers. It was VERY hot on the outside so the internal temp must have been >excessive. I also noticed that late in the afternaoon the voice recognition >got slower and slower. Could be my imagination and have nothing to do with the >heat? Has anyone else noticed a similar problem? Is it curable? Does it >affect the MTBF of the CPU/motherboard/video/??? When I asked IBM about the heat, the guy I spoke said that the hot bottom means the system is working - the idea being that the internal heat is driven to the casing. He means that the heat is driven away >from the components to the casing. Whether this is the party line or the technical truth is subject to question, but as I stated earlier, I have sent our 760ED to technical support because of hanging problems that occur after it is on for 5-6 hours. Overheating is the obvious suspect. One oddity I didn't mention. There's a shareware SYSINFO-like program out there called SYSCHK.EXE, which is widely known. It works pretty accurately on our Dell desktop machines. When I ran it on the 760ED, it rated the chip at 139-140mhz. I am wondering if it's a bad chip - running so fast that it overheats.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: tom.kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 12:42:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA093126550; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:42:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09683; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:39:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08730; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:28:54 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08709; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:28:45 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I9E3KG8HJK002HKP@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 12:28:25 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: hello to the group In-Reply-To: <32381ee9.2517432@mailgate.execpc.com> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <842545705.100497.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > One oddity I didn't mention. There's a shareware > SYSINFO-like program out there called SYSCHK.EXE, which is widely > known. It works pretty accurately on our Dell desktop machines. When > I ran it on the 760ED, it rated the chip at 139-140mhz. I am > wondering if it's a bad chip - running so fast that it overheats.. This wouldn't be the cpu chip itself but the clock (crystal oscillator) could be running somewhat fast. This is easily measured - you should mention this to IBM, have them look at it too. Over the years I've sped up various DEC cpus - some of those can go about 80% faster due to their conservative design, others croak at just a few MHz increase and heat is always a factor too. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 13:19:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA098558737; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:18:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12373; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:17:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:14:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12077; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:14:43 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12071; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:14:39 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA01073; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA49126; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:15:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem In-Reply-To: <9609121525.AA7110@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 12 Sep 1996, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: > as i suspected, you're using the old real mode drivers. > i have no config.sys, and my autoexec.bat only adds c:\mww\dll to the path, > nothing else. i guess it's a trade off between a marginal stability I tried out that configuration just now. After removing the IBMTPCD and MSCDEX, win95 recognized the CDROM as a TEAC40E. After competely removing the config.sys I was surprised to find that everything still worked. I thought you at least needed himem and emm386. go figure. Even without a config.sys and just a path in the autoexec, hotswapping still works. If you go into Control Panel, Device Manager and click on System Devices, does it list Advanced Power Management, and Plug and Play Bios? The only other thing I would suggest is to make sure the BIOS is up to date. The system disk is at version 1.43 for the 755cd (sytpe143.exe). And the Utility disk is at version 3.32 (uttpg101.exe and uttpg201.exe for the 755cd). reinstalling the utility disk solved a lot of problems for me. Josh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 13:38:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA101489926; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:38:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13821; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:35:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:34:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13501; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:33:59 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13482; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:33:51 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07405; Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:30:02 EDT Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 13:30:02 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9609121730.AA07405@nile.gnat.com> To: billy@mix.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hello to the group Billy said ------ > One oddity I didn't mention. There's a shareware > SYSINFO-like program out there called SYSCHK.EXE, which is widely > known. It works pretty accurately on our Dell desktop machines. When > I ran it on the 760ED, it rated the chip at 139-140mhz. I am > wondering if it's a bad chip - running so fast that it overheats.. This wouldn't be the cpu chip itself but the clock (crystal oscillator) could be running somewhat fast. This is easily measured - you should mention this to IBM, have them look at it too. Over the years I've sped up various DEC cpus - some of those can go about 80% faster due to their conservative design, others croak at just a few MHz increase and heat is always a factor too. -------- I think the likelihood of the crystal running fast is absolutely zero. These speed rating programs tend to be very bogus, since they don't know how to properly take all sorts of things into account. I remember that Norton's initial sysinfo program was totally broken because Peter did not understand about instruction alignment! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 14:12:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105921924; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:12:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16333; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:06:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16149; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:06:44 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16119; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:06:34 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id OAA22412 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7889; Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:06:24 -0700 Message-Id: <9609122106.AA7889@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id FA03889ACCCDDB47852563A300625E72; Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:06:22 EDT To: Joshua Hosseinof Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 12 Sep 96 14:05:13 EDT Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...I thought you at least needed himem and emm386. go figure. Even without a config.sys and just a path in the autoexec, hotswapping still works. If you go into Control Panel, Device Manager and click on System Devices, does it list Advanced Power Management, and Plug and Play Bios? The only other thing I would suggest is to make sure the BIOS is up to date. The system disk is at version 1.43 for the 755cd (sytpe143.exe)...." ~~~~~ himem, emm386 & a few other things (including path enough for every machine i've seen except a tp w/mwave) are defaults in the io.sys in 95. i have both apm and pnp in device manager. in my apm settings, 'enable' is the only thing checked. are any of the other three checked for you? my bios is 1.41. i'll pull down the upgrade & see what that does. there are others here with 755cd's that could use the functionality if i can make it work. thanks. oh, and your video cables are in the mail. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 14:14:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA106342074; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:14:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16729; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:12:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:10:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16580; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:10:56 -0400 Received: from ctpsun.ciw.edu (ctpsun.ciw.edu [192.70.249.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16565; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:10:49 -0400 Received: (from kress@localhost) by ctpsun.ciw.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA06273; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609121810.OAA06273@ctpsun.ciw.edu> From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:10:49 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Sheepish in Seattle After all these years of feeling morally superior to all those people requesting subscription changes over the main list, I'm forced to join them. I can't find the listserver address in any of my gigabytes of archived email (believe me, I've searched). please change my address from: kress@gl.ciw.edu to: kress@geology.washington.edu Thanks, and sorry to bother everybody. Perhaps subscription info should be posted periodically, with a predictable header so that filters can be set. ___________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 phone:(206)616-8512 email:kress@geology.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 14:23:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA108112585; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:23:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17338; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:19:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17146; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:17:46 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@[192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17138; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:17:39 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I9E78ESJ00002LAR@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: Sheepish in Seattle In-Reply-To: <199609121810.OAA06273@ctpsun.ciw.edu> Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <842552238.191497.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > After all these years of feeling morally superior to all those people > requesting subscription changes over the main list, I'm forced to > join them. I can't find the listserver address in any of my > gigabytes of archived email (believe me, I've searched). It's thinkpad-request@CS.UTK.EDU Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 14:33:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA109213229; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:33:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18472; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:30:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18288; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:30:49 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18282; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:30:46 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id OAA23658 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA7942; Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:30:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9609122130.AA7942@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id BCEA9CAE4B6EF4AD852563A300653329; Thu, 12 Sep 96 14:30:35 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 12 Sep 96 14:26:04 EDT Subject: Re: Sheepish in Seattle X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain if i remember correctly, it's tp750-request@cs.utk.edu Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 14:46:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA111073947; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:45:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19149; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:39:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:37:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18937; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:37:20 -0400 Received: from hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (HOOPLA.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.129.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18899; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:37:12 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by hoopla.cs.nyu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA08279; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:29:33 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: news From: fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (David Fox) Newsgroups: thinkpad Subject: Re: PCMCIA and Linux 2.0.18 Date: 12 Sep 1996 14:29:31 -0400 Organization: NYU Media Research Lab. Lines: 31 Sender: fox@hoopla.cs.nyu.edu Message-Id: References: Reply-To: fox@cs.nyu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: hoopla.cs.nyu.edu In-Reply-To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu's message of Tue, 10 Sep 96 14:07 EDT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 In article cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) writes: ] From: "Alan Sukiennik" ] Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:43:41 +0000 ] ] Hi there, ] ] I've just upgraded RedHat Linux 3.0.3/1.2.13 to 2.0.18 on my 755CD ] and lost all PCMCIA support. The /lib/modules still contains /1.2.13 ] directory with /pcmcia in it and that's what is being referenced. ] Would anyone know how to upgrade that? ] ] The PCMCIA support, like all modules, is kernel-dependent. If you are ] running 2.0.18 you need to have modules that were compiled for 2.0.18; ] the 1.2.13 modules will not work. ] ] This is why the subdirectories under "/lib/modules/" have version ] numbers on them. ] ] So you will have to recompile PCMCIA and reinstall it. More specifically, you will need pcmcia-cs version 2.8.22, available >from hyper.stanford.edu in pub/pcmcia. Redhat does things a little differently from Dave Hinds, but if you install it and fiddle with the config files in /etc/pcmcia things should work. You'll need your entire kernel source tree to build pcmcia-cs. -- David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 16:05:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA121338711; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:05:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28346; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:01:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:57:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27820; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:57:38 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27806; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:57:33 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA71879 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 19:57:22 GMT Received: from unknown(130.99.86.204) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaz7cDFW; Thu Sep 12 19:57:15 1996 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960912195707.0069dccc@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: rbkast@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 14:57:07 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Kasten Subject: Re: hello to the group At 01:30 PM 9/12/96 EDT, you wrote: >Billy said > >------ >> One oddity I didn't mention. There's a shareware >> SYSINFO-like program out there called SYSCHK.EXE, which is widely >> known. It works pretty accurately on our Dell desktop machines. When >> I ran it on the 760ED, it rated the chip at 139-140mhz. I am >> wondering if it's a bad chip - running so fast that it overheats.. > >This wouldn't be the cpu chip itself but the clock (crystal >oscillator) could be running somewhat fast. This is easily >measured - you should mention this to IBM, have them look at >it too. Over the years I've sped up various DEC cpus - some >of those can go about 80% faster due to their conservative >design, others croak at just a few MHz increase and heat is >always a factor too. > >I think the likelihood of the crystal running fast is absolutely zero. These >speed rating programs tend to be very bogus, since they don't know how to >properly take all sorts of things into account. I remember that Norton's >initial sysinfo program was totally broken because Peter did not understand >about instruction alignment! Interesting. Someone called me and told me their new Pentuim 200 was running at 225Mhz because that's what Norton said it was... Unfortunately, there is no way it's a 225, and it is a very old copy pf Norton. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 16:16:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123069362; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:16:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29949; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:13:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:12:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29731; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:12:26 -0400 Received: from mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [128.196.206.228]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29714; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:12:21 -0400 Received: from cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (cobra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.21]) by mail.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id NAA21377 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:05:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) id NAA19641 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:11:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:11:37 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199609122011.NAA19641@cobra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM 2 GB 2.5" drive in older TPs X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII I have a failing (1 year + old) 1.2 GB IBM ThinkPad drive (85G8606). I was told the warranty on the drive (which I bought along with a 755CX - 810 MB drive) is only a year (3 years for the drive supplied with the TP). The drive has started to make VERY LOUD noises when rotating the disks so the drive is probably going south (it has been backed up to tape). I was wondering if anyone had tried one of the newer 2.16 GB IBM drives (DCRA-22160 Travelstar 2XP) in a ThinkPad like a 755CX or 760 that will accept the thick drives like the 1.2? The 2XP is the same size and weight as the 1.2G and power consumption, etc seem to be the same. The major differences I can see are the increased capacity (probably due to the PRML digital channel) and an ATA-3 interface (vs ATA-2 for the older drive) with higher transfer rates. See: http://www.storage.ibm.com.:80/storage/oem/data/g2256661.htm Anyone know if an ATA-3 drive will work with an older level controller like the one in my 755CX? I was thinking of taking the failing 1.2 out of the caddy and putting in a 2.16 if ordinary mortals can buy them. Suggestions, comments, or (even better) experience? Thanks to Joe.Bormel for pointing me to the IBM almaden site. Thanks, Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona 1600 N. Country Club Rd, Ste 100 Tucson, AZ 85716-3160 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 12 21:29:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA167498188; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:29:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07984; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:28:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:06:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05687; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:06:01 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05681; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:05:59 -0400 Received: from alans (phila119-pri.voicenet.com [207.103.31.119]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA00851; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609130107.VAA00851@mail.voicenet.com> From: "Alan Sukiennik" To: , Subject: Re: PCMCIA and Linux 2.0.18 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 15:57:17 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------- > From: David Fox > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: PCMCIA and Linux 2.0.18 > Date: Thursday, September 12, 1996 2:29 PM > > In article cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) writes: > > ] From: "Alan Sukiennik" > ] Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 20:43:41 +0000 > ] > ] Hi there, > ] > ] I've just upgraded RedHat Linux 3.0.3/1.2.13 to 2.0.18 on my 755CD > ] and lost all PCMCIA support. The /lib/modules still contains /1.2.13 > ] directory with /pcmcia in it and that's what is being referenced. > ] Would anyone know how to upgrade that? > ] > ] The PCMCIA support, like all modules, is kernel-dependent. If you are > ] running 2.0.18 you need to have modules that were compiled for 2.0.18; > ] the 1.2.13 modules will not work. > ] > ] This is why the subdirectories under "/lib/modules/" have version > ] numbers on them. > ] > ] So you will have to recompile PCMCIA and reinstall it. > > More specifically, you will need pcmcia-cs version 2.8.22, available > from hyper.stanford.edu in pub/pcmcia. Redhat does things a little > differently from Dave Hinds, but if you install it and fiddle with the > config files in /etc/pcmcia things should work. You'll need your > entire kernel source tree to build pcmcia-cs. > -- > David Fox http://found.cs.nyu.edu/fox xoF divaD > NYU Media Research Lab fox@cs.nyu.edu baL hcraeseR aideM UYN > > Yep, recompiling new pcmcia + `make lib` and `make lib_install` did it. I did panic for a second because of the total loss of connectivity (modem and eth0). Even if for just getting the updated software into the PC. Fortunately, the gzipped file fit on a floppy. These days a stand-alone machine is almost worthless ;) Regards and thanks, -Alan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 08:54:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA244159296; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:54:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06531; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:54:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:50:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06115; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:50:45 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06103; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:50:41 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA18621 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA8829; Fri, 13 Sep 96 08:50:53 -0700 Message-Id: <9609131550.AA8829@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id A17C1560537647BE852563A400460886; Fri, 13 Sep 96 08:50:51 EDT To: Randy Whittle Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 13 Sep 96 8:50:02 EDT Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...>himem, emm386 & a few other things (including path enough for every machine >i've seen except a tp w/mwave) are defaults in the io.sys in 95. Are you sure that's the file? When I try to look at it, it appears to be all binary. Is there any way to edit/modify it or at least view it?..." ~~~~~ i've never looked at it and i don't know how to edit it. i took microsoft's 'supporting windows 95' course and they said that io.sys includes: himem.sys emm386.exe lastdrive=z setver prompt $p$g path=c:\windows;c:\windows\command files=?? something ...and a couple other things. i don't remember them all, but i'm sure it's io.sys. i don't think it's supposed to be edited. if you include any of these drivers or parameters in your config.sys or autoexec.bat, it will override io.sys. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 09:33:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA252271592; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:33:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11042; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:32:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:30:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10658; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:30:23 -0400 Received: from ns.moneng.mei.com (ns.moneng.mei.com [151.186.180.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10649; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:30:20 -0400 Received: from atlas.mei.com (atlas.mis.mei.com) by ns.moneng.mei.com with SMTP id AA06846 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:30:16 -0500 Received: from nickdo.mis.mei.com by atlas.mei.com (NTMail 3.01.01) id qa001914; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:30:50 -0500 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Nick Rushizky" Organization: Marquette Medical Systems To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:31:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: 755 CDV and Win95 - revisited Reply-To: Nick@atlas.mis.mei.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) Message-Id: 13305070102750@mei.com OK - I finally got the OS up and running, and have downloaded so much stuff I want a new HD for my desktop!! However, it's still kinda not working. I've loaded the whole shooting match from IBM - Utilities, Mwave, IR, BIOS, etc. What I'm getting is a message in Windows after boot that says the APM Driver is not loaded, which MIGHT cause system problems, including mouse failure after suspend / resume. You say OK to that, and it tells me to exit Windows and use the SETUP command in the WINDOWS subdirectory to select "MS-DOS system with APM" as the computer type. Let me tell you how I got 95 to finally run on here - maybe this will clue someone else in. I could not get the CD to run in the TP, so I formatted the whole thing (I kinda wanted to do that anyhow - previous user had lots of WFW stuff lying all over) with MS-DOS 6.22. Then I used laplink to copy the contents of the CD to a directory on the hard drive. Had to install MS-DOS mouse drivers and WFW again, but then the setup went. Finally, I did all the TP upgrades, as I stated above. I'm supposed to ship this darn thing out today (I love exciteable users...) so if anyone has any idea, I'd love to hear 'em!! I'm gonna try to let the phone sit for a minute so I can call IBM and ask them, but I've not had much luck getting good ideas when I do complicated stuff like this. Thanks in advance for any replies!! Nick Rushizky | If you know yourself, as you PC Support Specialist | know your enemy, then you Marquette Medical Systems | are sure to defeat him. Nick@atlas.mis.mei.com | Sun Tzu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 10:29:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA260794990; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:29:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25378; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:17:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:14:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24926; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:14:45 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24914; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:14:42 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-b-27.usc.edu [128.125.222.27]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA19545; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960913043321.006be8b8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:33:21 -0700 To: Eran Tromer From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 560-365X memory Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 07:24 AM 9/10/96 +0200, Eran Tromer wrote: >I have a 560 and am looking for 16MB memory uggrade. I've been offered >(by Multiple Zones) a "560/365X" memory module. Is this possible? As far >as I know, the EDO SO-SIMMs modules used by the 560 are not compatible >with other ThinkPads. I recently bought a 16 MB for my 560 and the packing slip said it was for the 560--but also for the 36X and 760 series too. I guess its the same form factor, if nothing else. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 10:32:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA261525142; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:32:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25525; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:18:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:18:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25446; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:18:04 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25436; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 01:18:01 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-b-27.usc.edu [128.125.222.27]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA19549; Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960913043322.006b2974@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 21:33:22 -0700 To: Michael Verne/VENTANA From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: CD-ROM/FLOPPY DRIVE Hot Swapping Problem Cc: Joshua Hosseinof , tp750 At 02:05 PM 9/12/96 EDT, Michael Verne/VENTANA wrote: >"...I thought you at least needed himem and emm386. go figure. Even without a >config.sys and just a path in the autoexec, hotswapping still works. >If you go into Control Panel, Device Manager and click on System Devices, >does it list Advanced Power Management, and Plug and Play Bios? The only >other thing I would suggest is to make sure the BIOS is up to date. The >system disk is at version 1.43 for the 755cd (sytpe143.exe)...." > >~~~~~ >himem, emm386 & a few other things (including path enough for every machine >i've seen except a tp w/mwave) are defaults in the io.sys in 95. Are you sure that's the file? When I try to look at it, it appears to be all binary. Is there any way to edit/modify it or at least view it? ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 12:00:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA272560420; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:00:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26427; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:59:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:56:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25978; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:56:12 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25970; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 11:56:06 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id IAA25655 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:56:00 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 08:59:05 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Problems after installing 32MB upgrade in TP755CD I just purchased a 32MB Upgrade for my TP755CD and some strange things have been happening. When I turned the computer on, the memory checked OK (40576 bytes or something like that). Then PC DOS seems to boot fine. when I start win3.1, the splash screen comes up, goes away and then the hourglass shows up. a second or two later I hear an audible "pop" from my speakers (I assume the mwave initializing or something) and then the computer freezes. I can't CTL+ALT+DEL or even turn the computer off with the power switch. I have to pull the battery! I ran MSD and it reports that I have NEGATIVE XMS and EMS memory... I didn't know it was possible to have negative memory =( I then booted into Linux and Linux seemed very happy with everything. Next I started the computer bringing up easy setup. I checked the RAM and it tested OK, I checkded the system board and it checked OK. But when I checked the Mwave, I got an error. Perhaps my problem is an mwave problem? If I remove the DRAM card and just use the standard built in 8Megs, I can run windows just fine. I don't mind using Linux only, but I need windows for certain applications. I thought my problem might be that the company sent me the wrong memory. The Package said: TP755CX P-75 32 Megs ... I just assumed that they use the same memory. Please help.... -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 12:14:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA273941241; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:14:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27916; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:12:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:09:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27519; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:09:56 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27513; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:09:53 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00479; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA54808; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:10:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Problems after installing 32MB upgrade in TP755CD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How much ram did you have before you put in the 32MB? An early Mwave problem was that it would choke on computers with >16MB of ram. And strangely enough the patch is independent of the Mwave 2.11 drivers, so if you upgraded from 1.xx of Mwave to 2.11 without installing the patch it will not work properly. The windows95 instructions at least are very adamant about installing the patch first and then the 2.11 drivers. On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu wrote: > I just purchased a 32MB Upgrade for my TP755CD and some strange things have > been happening. When I turned the computer on, the memory checked OK > (40576 bytes or something like that). Then PC DOS seems to boot fine. > when I start win3.1, the splash screen comes up, goes away and then the > hourglass shows up. a second or two later I hear an audible "pop" from my > speakers (I assume the mwave initializing or something) and then the > computer freezes. I can't CTL+ALT+DEL or even turn the computer off with > the power switch. I have to pull the battery! > > I ran MSD and it reports that I have NEGATIVE XMS and EMS memory... I > didn't know it was possible to have negative memory =( > > I then booted into Linux and Linux seemed very happy with everything. > > Next I started the computer bringing up easy setup. I checked the RAM and > it tested OK, I checkded the system board and it checked OK. But when I > checked the Mwave, I got an error. Perhaps my problem is an mwave problem? > > If I remove the DRAM card and just use the standard built in 8Megs, I can > run windows just fine. > > I don't mind using Linux only, but I need windows for certain applications. > I thought my problem might be that the company sent me the wrong memory. > The Package said: TP755CX P-75 32 Megs ... I just assumed that they use > the same memory. > > Please help.... > > -Mike > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 12:14:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA273981247; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:14:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28055; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:12:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:12:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27908; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:12:00 -0400 Received: from piedmont.net (piedmont.net [205.245.76.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27888; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:11:54 -0400 Received: from tstaples (d2.piedmont.net [205.245.76.42]) by piedmont.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA26020; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609131611.MAA26020@piedmont.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tony Staples" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:11:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Problems after installing 32MB upgrade in TP755CD Reply-To: tstaples@piedmont.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) > I just purchased a 32MB Upgrade for my TP755CD and some strange things have > been happening. When I turned the computer on, the memory checked OK Stuff deleted > If I remove the DRAM card and just use the standard built in 8Megs, I can > run windows just fine. Stuff deleted. > The Package said: TP755CX P-75 32 Megs ... I just assumed that they use > the same memory. > > Please help.... > > -Mike You did not say what type of 755CD you have. The 755CD's came with either a 486DX4/100, or later models had a Pentium 75 processor, like the CX. The 486's use a different type of RAM module than the Pentiums. If your 755CD is a 486 model, then you should have all manner of problems when using this memory. Linux may have worked because it did not detect the incorrect memory, and just booted on the 8 Megs. I don't use Linux so I don't know how it handles memory checks. Tony Staples - tstaples@piedmont.net "AOL would be a giant diesel-smoking bus with hundreds of ebola victims on board throwing dead wombats and rotten cabbage at the other cars, most of which have been assembled at home from kits." -An AOL productions department staffer commenting on "Suppose the highways were like the Net. . ." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 12:53:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA279973608; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:53:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01702; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:51:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:49:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01433; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01358; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:49:01 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id JAA27470; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:48:40 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:51:43 -0800 To: Joshua Hosseinof Subject: Re: Problems after installing 32MB upgrade in TP755CD Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Before I intalled the RAM card, I had only the built in 8megs. I didn't intall the upgade patch, I wonder if that would help. I might give it a try. Also, I didn't make it clear that my 755CD is also a pentium model. I realize that there is a difference between the 486 and pentium memory, but I thought that if I tried to install the memory for the 486 version, my TP wouldn't even recognize it... -Mike >How much ram did you have before you put in the 32MB? An early Mwave >problem was that it would choke on computers with >16MB of ram. And >strangely enough the patch is independent of the Mwave 2.11 drivers, so if >you upgraded from 1.xx of Mwave to 2.11 without installing the patch it >will not work properly. The windows95 instructions at least are very >adamant about installing the patch first and then the 2.11 drivers. > >On Fri, 13 Sep 1996 mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu wrote: > >> I just purchased a 32MB Upgrade for my TP755CD and some strange things have >> been happening. When I turned the computer on, the memory checked OK >> (40576 bytes or something like that). Then PC DOS seems to boot fine. >> when I start win3.1, the splash screen comes up, goes away and then the >> hourglass shows up. a second or two later I hear an audible "pop" from my >> speakers (I assume the mwave initializing or something) and then the >> computer freezes. I can't CTL+ALT+DEL or even turn the computer off with >> the power switch. I have to pull the battery! >> >> I ran MSD and it reports that I have NEGATIVE XMS and EMS memory... I >> didn't know it was possible to have negative memory =( >> >> I then booted into Linux and Linux seemed very happy with everything. >> >> Next I started the computer bringing up easy setup. I checked the RAM and >> it tested OK, I checkded the system board and it checked OK. But when I >> checked the Mwave, I got an error. Perhaps my problem is an mwave problem? >> >> If I remove the DRAM card and just use the standard built in 8Megs, I can >> run windows just fine. >> >> I don't mind using Linux only, but I need windows for certain applications. >> I thought my problem might be that the company sent me the wrong memory. >> The Package said: TP755CX P-75 32 Megs ... I just assumed that they use >> the same memory. >> >> Please help.... >> >> -Mike >> >> >> >> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 13:31:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA284215915; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:31:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04821; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:30:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:26:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04538; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:26:48 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04531; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:26:45 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA09819; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:26:30 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 10:26:30 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199609131726.KAA09819@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: IBM 2 GB 2.5" drive in older TPs I have an aftermarket disk caddy (made of metal) that accepts 19mm thick drives (tight squeeze) and fits in my 755cx. Currently I use it with an old Toshiba 200 meg drive and it works fine. While I don't know if ordinary mortals can currently buy the new 2.1GB IBM drives, the Toshiba 2.1GB drives have been available for a few months and local dealers have them in the $625 range. I've been thinking of getting one, so this is another approach to consider. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 13:47:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA286206849; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:47:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06020; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:46:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:45:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05747; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:44:57 -0400 Received: from vtaix.cc.vt.edu (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu [198.82.161.244]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05739; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:44:53 -0400 Received: (from adamf@localhost) by vtaix.cc.vt.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23798 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:44:44 -0400 From: Adam Finkelstein Message-Id: <199609131744.NAA23798@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Linux on 755CSE To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 13:44:44 +22324924 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Hello. I'm thinking about putting Linux on my 755CSE with maybe Win95 as well. I know this has been asked before, but I would like to hear from people with 755* machines, who use MWAVE modems, and who have installed Linux, to write me if they don't mind, describing their experience. I am wondering if this is a good move and want to hear what others have experienced. thanks so much, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 13 17:14:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA021549273; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:14:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23927; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:13:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:09:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23563; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:09:20 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23536; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:09:15 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id RAA28709; Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:10:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 17:10:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XFree86 beta info for 760 and 701 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone asked me some questions about Xfree86's support of the TP760. You're likely to find the answer at: http://www.xfree86.org/beta.html I was browsing through it and support for the 701's CT65545 in 16bpp and 24bpp is supposed to be in the latest beta. I don't have time to try it out right now, but I figured others would like to know. Give it a shot and report back to us. :) -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 14 02:50:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA101553839; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:50:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03066; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:48:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:38:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02304; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:38:16 -0400 Received: from ns.aksi.net (root@ns.aksi.net [204.96.168.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02298; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:38:14 -0400 Received: from jje.nettally.com (dns103.nettally.com [199.44.114.103]) by ns.aksi.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA27798 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 02:38:07 -0400 Date: xMessageSize=1500000 Message-Id: <199609140638.CAA27798@ns.aksi.net> X-Sender: jje@mail.aksi.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "John J. Everett" Subject: Looking for Ribbon for thinkpad LCD and harddrive password bypass Hello, I have a TP 755 SCE and forgot the HD password. I tried to get into the machine to jump a jumper to reset the password and I damaged the LCD cable (very fragile.) IBM wants $1000.00 for the ribbon because they don't sell it with out the LCD. Does any one have any idea's for me. Greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading, JJE@aksi.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 14 10:50:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA147262646; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:50:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07558; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:50:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:46:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07287; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:46:05 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07281; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:46:01 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA19252; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:47:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199609141447.IAA19252@aspen.wwsi.com> To: "John J. Everett" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Ribbon for thinkpad LCD and harddrive password bypass In-Reply-To: Your message of "xMessageSize=1500000 ." <199609140638.CAA27798@ns.aksi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 08:47:34 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist There is no jumper to reset the harddisk password. If you really forgot it, you're out of luck. As for the ribbon, I can't help you with that, I'm afraid. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 14 23:06:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA215886817; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 23:06:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23860; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 23:05:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:59:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23401; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:59:57 -0400 Received: from cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.240.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23395; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:59:54 -0400 Received: from hobie.engr.wisc.edu (F182-099.net.wisc.edu [144.92.182.99]) by cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail 1.1/CAE1.1) with SMTP id WAA03977 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:00:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609150300.WAA03977@cae.wisc.edu> X-Sender: redmond@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:00:04 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Redmond Subject: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD I am looking for ANYONE ANYWHERE that might have connected an external MIDI device to a ThinkPad 755CD gameport connector. I am particularly interested if you connected under WIN 95. I can't make it work and it appears from the 2 responses I have gotten so far, noone else has made it work either. I can't believe that's so... Thanks much!! Michael Redmond Director, Computer-Aided Engineering Center University of Wisconsin, Madison (608) 263-1584 FAX (608) 265-4546 Email: redmond@engr.wisc.edu WWW: http://www.cae.wisc.edu/staff/redmond.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 00:13:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA221420816; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:13:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28193; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:13:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:10:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27700; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:10:10 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@ppp3.lugs.org.sg [203.127.221.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27665; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:10:01 -0400 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0v28dP-0002DiC; Sun, 15 Sep 96 12:16 SST Received: from localhost (elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA00940; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:06:58 +0800 Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:06:57 +0800 (SGT) From: Elvin To: slugnet@lug.org.sg Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: APM and PCMCIA... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, My Thinkpad 701C has a funny problem, I have linux 2.0.0 and apm and pcmcia services compiled into the kernel... When ever I do a FN-F4 to suspend the system, all goes well, when I unsuspend, everything still works.. though sometimes it takes around 1-5 seconds for the pcmcia card to start again.. When I looked at the log (/var/adm/messages).. I get this... Sep 15 12:01:31 dupre cardmgr[44]: executing: '/etc/pcmcia/serial suspend ttyS1' Sep 15 12:01:31 dupre cardmgr[44]: executing: '/etc/pcmcia/serial resume ttyS1' I remember suspending at 9:00 and unsuspending at 12:01:31, why does the card suspend only when I unsuspend ? I have Hayes Optima 288, which supports suspending.. so any ideas ? Elvin -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Visit NuKeM at http://home.pacific.net.sg/~alf/nukem.htm | | or the US Mirror at http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/park/9868 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 03:26:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA242312414; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:26:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07342; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:25:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:13:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06354; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:13:11 -0400 Received: from mail.skyinet.net (MAIL.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06338; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:13:05 -0400 Received: from jcms.sequel.net by mail.skyinet.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA00729; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:12:53 +0800 Message-Id: <323BADC7.4AAF@skyinet.net> Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:18:31 +0800 From: "Juan Carlos M. Sibal" Reply-To: clear@mail.skyinet.net Organization: CLeaR X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad users group Subject: ESS 1688 Full-Duplex? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Would anyone know if the ESS 1688 like the one found in the Thinkpad 760ELD is a half-duplex or full-duplex type sound card. Thanks for any comments. Carlos From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 03:43:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA244423400; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:43:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08723; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:42:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:40:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08519; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:40:54 -0400 Received: from unix1.glink.net.hk (unix1.glink.net.hk [202.72.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08507; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 03:40:49 -0400 Received: from parrot (dialup84 [202.72.1.84]) by unix1.glink.net.hk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA05032; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:40:41 +0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960915074320.00729ff8@mail.glink.net.hk> X-Sender: dliu@mail.glink.net.hk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:43:20 +0800 To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Liu Subject: re: IBM 2 GB 2.5" drive in older TPs At 10:26 AM 9/13/96 -0700, Paul Rubin wrote: >I have an aftermarket disk caddy (made of metal) that accepts >19mm thick drives (tight squeeze) and fits in my 755cx. >Currently I use it with an old Toshiba 200 meg drive and >it works fine. While I don't know if ordinary mortals can >currently buy the new 2.1GB IBM drives, the Toshiba 2.1GB >drives have been available for a few months and local >dealers have them in the $625 range. I've been thinking >of getting one, so this is another approach to consider. Can you tell me where did you get the aftermarket disk caddy ? I am very interested to buy one! Thanks for your help! .......................................................................... . David Liu (CNE,MCSE) | Voice : (852)2825-6822 . . | Fax : : (852)2568-9290 . . dliu@glink.net.hk | BBS : : (852)2539-7218 . . dliu@hkstar.com | FidoNet : 6:700/671 . . | http://www.hkstar.com/~dliu . . | http://www.glink.net.hk/~dliu . .......................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 11:24:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA294251078; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:24:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10819; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:23:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:17:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10409; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:17:52 -0400 Received: from unix1.glink.net.hk (unix1.glink.net.hk [202.72.0.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10403; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 11:17:46 -0400 Received: from parrot (dialup89 [202.72.1.89]) by unix1.glink.net.hk (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id XAA11436; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:17:04 +0800 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960915151944.00728d30@mail.glink.net.hk> X-Sender: dliu@mail.glink.net.hk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:19:44 +0800 To: Randy Whittle , Eran Tromer From: David Liu Subject: Re: 560-365X memory Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:33 PM 9/12/96 -0700, Randy Whittle wrote: > I recently bought a 16 MB for my 560 and the packing slip said it >was for the 560--but also for the 36X and 760 series too. I guess its the >same form factor, if nothing else. > Can you tell me how much it cost ? .......................................................................... . David Liu (CNE,MCSE) | Voice : (852)2825-6822 . . | Fax : : (852)2568-9290 . . dliu@glink.net.hk | BBS : : (852)2539-7218 . . dliu@hkstar.com | FidoNet : 6:700/671 . . | http://www.hkstar.com/~dliu . . | http://www.glink.net.hk/~dliu . .......................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 12:59:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA003386778; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:59:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18084; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:59:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17804; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:55:58 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17789; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:55:48 -0400 Received: from philly209.voicenet.com (philly209.voicenet.com [207.103.16.108]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA25718 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by philly209.voicenet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBA305.2727BBE0@philly209.voicenet.com>; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:55:20 -0400 Message-Id: <01BBA305.2727BBE0@philly209.voicenet.com> From: Alan Sukiennik To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 16M f.s. Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:55:13 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am selling a 16M Kingston card for TP 75X - KTM-TP750/16 b.o. -Alan mailto:alans@voicenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 13:40:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA007439205; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:40:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21609; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:39:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:36:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21423; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:36:10 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21416; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:36:01 -0400 Received: from philly209.voicenet.com (philly209.voicenet.com [207.103.16.108]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA28374; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by philly209.voicenet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBA30A.B0D3EDA0@philly209.voicenet.com>; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:34:59 -0400 Message-Id: <01BBA30A.B0D3EDA0@philly209.voicenet.com> From: Alan Sukiennik To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Michael Redmond'" Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 13:34:51 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use my 755CD with a Cakewalk and several synths and it works just fine. If the Mwave driver is installed correctly, just goto /Control Panel/Multimedia/MIDI and select "MIDI for IBM Mwave MidiPort Device" Make sure that in Mwave Audio Mixer (Audio Control) MIDI isn't muted Hardware: ThinkPad Gameport connector and generic Gameport to MIDI interface. Regards, -Alan ---------- From: Michael Redmond[SMTP:redmond@engr.wisc.edu] Sent: Saturday, September 14, 1996 11:00 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD I am looking for ANYONE ANYWHERE that might have connected an external MIDI device to a ThinkPad 755CD gameport connector. I am particularly interested if you connected under WIN 95. I can't make it work and it appears from the 2 responses I have gotten so far, noone else has made it work either. I can't believe that's so... Thanks much!! Michael Redmond Director, Computer-Aided Engineering Center University of Wisconsin, Madison (608) 263-1584 FAX (608) 265-4546 Email: redmond@engr.wisc.edu WWW: http://www.cae.wisc.edu/staff/redmond.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 14:44:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA013593049; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:44:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25558; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:43:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:39:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25196; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:39:47 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25189; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 14:39:44 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA21312 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:41:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199609151841.MAA21312@aspen.wwsi.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Announcements? Any time soon? Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:41:20 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Anyone else surprised at the dearth of announcements from IBM on the Thinkpad? I'm pushing out an order waiting for the 1024 display..... ssh -- Steve Hultquist, Founder Engineering the future Worldwide Solutions, Inc. ...with you Boulder, Colorado, USA 303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 18:32:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA035736738; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:32:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10211; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:27:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09791; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:27:02 -0400 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09785; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:26:56 -0400 Received: from ricktait by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id SAA23962 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 18:26:47 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960915223211.0068cfa8@gnu.ai.mit.edu> X-Sender: rickt@gnu.ai.mit.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:32:11 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: 760c HD ---> 760E??? Quick question. If I was to put my 760c HD into a 760E, would either machine work? Are the HD enclosures the same? What about BIOS versions? Does this sound at all feasible????? Quick replies real welcome... Thanks, .rickt From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 15 23:14:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA067333656; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:14:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29220; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:13:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:10:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28940; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:10:26 -0400 Received: from hac2arpa.hac.com (hac2arpa.HAC.COM [192.27.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28927; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 23:10:22 -0400 Received: from isl.hrl.hac.com ([192.27.172.1]) by hac2arpa.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05705; Sun, 15 Sep 96 20:07:39 PDT Received: from localhost by isl.hrl.hac.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11268; Sun, 15 Sep 1996 20:07:49 -0700 Message-Id: <9609160307.AA11268@isl.hrl.hac.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: XFree86 beta on 760ED, any hints? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 20:07:49 -0700 From: ygz@isl.hrl.hac.com (Yongguang Zhang) Hi, all: I've tried XFree86 312E, F, and G, but still cannot get it work on a Thinkpad 760ED directly. All I got is some black/white vertical bars. Pressing Fn-F7 (one or many times) doesn't help. The only successful procedure I found was: 1. Plug in a external CRT. 2. Press Fn-F7 to switch display (in text mode) to CRT 3. start X window at CRT. 4. Press Fn-F7 to swtich display (now in X window) back to LCD 5. Unplug CRT 6. X window now works fine on LCD. 760ED seems to use TGUI 9660 chipset. It has 2MB videoram. Here is the X -probeonly result: ========================================================================== XFree86 Version 3.1.2G / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6100) Release Date: Sep 3 1996 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux [ELF] Configured drivers: SVGA: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0): et4000, et4000w32, et4000w32i, et4000w32p, et4000w32p, et6000, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9320lcd, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, tgui9660xgi, tgui9680, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5462, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, mx, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ct65520, ct65530, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, realtek, AP6422, generic (using VT number 7) XF86Config: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "TGUI9320LCD" (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "ThinkPad760" (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" (--) SVGA: PCI: Trident TGUI 9660 rev 211, Memory @ 0x08000000 (--) Trident chipset version: 0xd3 (TGUI96xx) (--) SVGA: Using Trident programmable clocks (--) SVGA: chipset: tgui9660xgi (--) SVGA: videoram: 2048k (**) SVGA: Option "med_dram" (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 80.000 MHz (**) SVGA: Mode "800x600": mode clock = 50.000 (**) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 800x600 (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 (**) SVGA: Using 70ns DRAM (--) SVGA: Using Linear Frame Buffer at 0x08000000, Size 2MB (--) SVGA: Using software cursor ========================================================================== Also my XF86Config ========================================================================== Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" # NoTrapSignals # DontZap # DontZoom # DisableVidModeExtension # AllowNonLocalXvidtune # DisableModInDev # AllowNonLocalModInDev EndSection Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" AutoRepeat 500 5 EndSection Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "ThinkPad760" VendorName "IBM" ModelName "12.1 TFT LCD" HorizSync 30-90 VertRefresh 40-150 # 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450 # 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 # 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 31.5 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 # 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # 800x600 @ 72 Hz, 50.0 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "generic" EndSection # Thinkpad 760 Video Device: Section "Device" Identifier "TGUI9660" VendorName "Trident" BoardName "TGUI9660" Option "med_dram" EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "TGUI9660" Monitor "ThinkPad760" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "640x400" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 640 400 EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-color VGA server Section "Screen" Driver "vga16" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "ThinkPad760" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection # The Mono server Section "Screen" Driver "vga2" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "ThinkPad760" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection ========================================================================== Any hints? Thanks. -ygz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 16 09:49:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133171775; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:49:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19863; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:48:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:38:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18502; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:38:18 -0400 Received: from central.picker.com (central.picker.com [144.54.31.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18483; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:38:06 -0400 Received: from mr.picker.com by central.picker.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0v2dX2-0004xAC; Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:16 EDT Received: from saturn by mr.picker.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-a) id AA27970; Mon, 16 Sep 96 09:14:34 EDT Received: (from djr@localhost) by saturn (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA11243; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:14:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:14:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199609161314.JAA11243@saturn> From: Don Russell To: ygz@isl.hrl.hac.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9609160307.AA11268@isl.hrl.hac.com> (ygz@isl.hrl.hac.com) Subject: Re: XFree86 beta on 760ED, any hints? >>>> I've tried XFree86 312E, F, and G, but still cannot get it work on a >>>> Thinkpad 760ED directly. All I got is some black/white vertical bars. >>>> Pressing Fn-F7 (one or many times) doesn't help. I had the same problem when moving from a 760C to a 760E. I could make it work by toggling Fn-F7, but that was messy. I am running Xfree 3.1.2G and Linux 2.0.19 The real fix was to get better timing values in my XF86Config file. The working numbers for me are: ModeLine "800x600" 31.5 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 This allows we to start X cleanly and also to switch back and forth between X and text virtual consoles, which never worked right before. -- +------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | Don Russell | Internet: djr@mr.picker.com | | Picker International | Voice: (216)-473-5726 | | 5500 Avion Park Drive | Fax: (216) 473-5728 | | Highland Heights, Ohio 44143 | | +------------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 16 09:49:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133281793; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:49:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19858; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:48:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:41:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18993; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:41:38 -0400 Received: from cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.240.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18959; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:41:31 -0400 Received: from hobie.engr.wisc.edu (hobie.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.58]) by cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail 1.1/CAE1.1) with SMTP id IAA00347; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:42:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609161342.IAA00347@cae.wisc.edu> X-Sender: redmond@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:41:54 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Alan Sukiennik From: Michael Redmond Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD Thanks for the advice. I have WinJammer (eval), and even with the Audio Control set properly, I couldn't get anything to go out to the MIDI port. However, thanks to your advice, I was able to turn on MIDI port input in Audio Control, and surprisingly enough, I was able to read the keyboard into WinJammer. So, that must mean the drivers and most of the hardware actually works. I am now focusing on hardware problems with the cable or motherboard for just the MIDI out circuit. Maybe a broken wire or bad solder connect. So much for quality control. The fact that IBM supplies no diagnostic for the MIDI/Gameport sure causes major difficulties in diagnosing these problems. There is still a remote chance that there is some obscure resource conflict in the drivers, but I am almost to the point of rejecting that since there are no error messages anywhere. Thanks again! Mike Redmond ---------------- At 01:34 PM 9/15/96 -0400, you wrote: >I use my 755CD with a Cakewalk and several synths and it works just fine. > >If the Mwave driver is installed correctly, just > >goto /Control Panel/Multimedia/MIDI and >select "MIDI for IBM Mwave MidiPort Device" > >Make sure that in Mwave Audio Mixer (Audio Control) MIDI isn't muted > >Hardware: ThinkPad Gameport connector and generic Gameport to MIDI interface. > >Regards, >-Alan > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 16 12:02:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156429772; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:02:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03498; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:56:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:52:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03146; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:52:31 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03140; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 11:52:29 -0400 Received: from goldeneye- ([165.238.132.201]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA9843 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:51:56 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Dan Miles" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 08:52:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: 32 meg for 701 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Message-Id: <19960916155154.AAA9843@goldeneye-> Anyone come across a good source for a 32 meg 701 sim? Dan Miles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 16 12:11:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA157190308; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:11:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04565; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:07:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:05:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04430; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [206.165.5.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04417; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:05:45 -0400 Received: from primenet.com (bogrow@usr01.primenet.com [206.165.5.101]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA16262; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:05:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (bogrow@localhost) by primenet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id JAA27286; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:05:38 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:05:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Bogrow X-Sender: bogrow@usr01.primenet.com Reply-To: eeyore@eey.org To: Dan Miles Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 32 meg for 701 In-Reply-To: <19960916155154.AAA9843@goldeneye-> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Dan Miles wrote: > Anyone come across a good source for a 32 meg 701 sim? Dan Miles McGlen Micro (800 899-8849) sold me a 16 meg for $200, but their price for 32 meg was over $1000. PC Zone (800 258-2088) quoted $192 for 16 meg and $407 for 32 meg, but a few days ago they were out of stock on both (and their phone salesman didn't seem sure he was quoting the right item). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 16 15:22:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA188611750; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:22:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20622; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:14:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:09:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19906; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:09:21 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19890; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:09:17 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA07541 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16708; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:04:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 15:02:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 104MB RAM on 760e Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For those who were wondering before about the announcement that said it was possible to upgrade the ram on the 760e series to 104MB check out the following URL: http://www.apricorn.com/datashts/ibm/tp760e.htm Apparently it involves using Apricorn EDO dimm carrier which let's you have the following configuration: 8MB system, 64MB EDO Dimm included on the Apricorn dimm carrier which has one socket which you can put 32MB on giving you 8+64+32=104MB With the IBM dimm carrier you can get the following configuration: 8 or 16 MB system, 0MB on the carrier, 2 sockets on the dimm carrier which can take 32MB each giving you 8/16+0+(2*32)=72/80MB. Don't ask me why it cant have 16MB system using the apricorn carrier. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 17 07:23:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA295289426; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:23:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24615; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:22:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:07:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23893; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:06:58 -0400 Received: from vtaix.cc.vt.edu (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu [198.82.161.244]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23886; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:06:55 -0400 Received: (from adamf@localhost) by vtaix.cc.vt.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA22832 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:06:45 -0400 From: Adam Finkelstein Message-Id: <199609171106.HAA22832@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> Subject: Pcmcia Card and Linux To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:06:44 +22324924 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Hello, is IBM's 10 Base-T credit card adaptor II work with Linux? Does anyone know? Are the drivers upgradeable to Win95? thanks, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 17 10:06:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA011999206; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:06:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07329; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:59:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06974; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:59:45 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06967; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA09705 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:52:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA07338 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:52:57 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA08149 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:52:56 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:52:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM TP 755 CDV Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone either: * Have one of these to sell(Pick up in NYC or in Paris, or FedEx to NYC address--payment in USD)? OR * Know of a dealer that will still sell one? I've got some marketing people here that are keen on one. Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 17 10:29:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA015080589; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:29:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09900; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:28:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:27:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09702; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:27:14 -0400 Received: from yoda.fyi.net ([204.179.80.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09694; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:27:08 -0400 Received: (from sheenk@localhost) by yoda.fyi.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA05234; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:28:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:28:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Sheen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Use of internet audio apps Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, has anyone successfully setup and used any of the audio apps like Microslops Netmeeting or Internet Phone. I have a 755CE and have been able to use Real Audio and Xing but was unsucessful last night using Netmeeting. I'm running Win95. thanks for any help! kevin From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 17 13:51:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA045652702; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:51:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29494; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:49:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:45:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28791; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:44:57 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28783; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:44:51 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA11023; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:45:53 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Adam Finkelstein Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Pcmcia Card and Linux In-Reply-To: <199609171106.HAA22832@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Adam Finkelstein wrote: > is IBM's 10 Base-T credit card adaptor II work with Linux? > Does anyone know? Are the drivers upgradeable to Win95? Yes. Yes. Worked for me in Win95 "out of the box." -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 17 18:58:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA128971120; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:58:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02354; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:57:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:54:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02015; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:54:20 -0400 Received: from Owl.nstn.ca (owl.nstn.ca [137.186.128.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02009; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:54:16 -0400 Received: from innovacorp.ns.ca (nsrfc5.innovacorp.ns.ca [192.75.101.5]) by Owl.nstn.ca (8.7.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA24593 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:54:13 -0300 (ADT) Received: from IBM 760 ED (delta.mmcs.com) by innovacorp.ns.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07844; Tue, 17 Sep 96 19:55:49 ADT Message-Id: <9609172255.AA07844@innovacorp.ns.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandy Hines" Organization: InNOVAcorp To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:53:50 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: telephony features Reply-To: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) I have jst completed a search for software that will allow me to use my TP 760ED as a telephone i.e. voice in and out as well as dialing and pickup. NO LUCK. My requirements are to be able to talk to a client hands free using the TP and still be able to look at spreadsheets, databases etc.. Anyone know of a company that sells this stuff and if so any personal experiences would be appreciated. Ifthere is a shareware program even better. Thanks in advance Sandy Alexander (Sandy) Hines Marketing and Sales Manager Engineering Serices @ InNOVAcorp Nova Scotia Innovation Corporation 101 Research Drive PO Box 790 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, B2y 3Z7, Canada Phone: 902 424 8670 ext. 155 800 565 7051 Fax: 902 465 7384 Email: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca WWW http://www.innovacorp.ns.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 17 20:14:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA141415696; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:14:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07266; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07078; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:11:07 -0400 Received: from ochre.newcastle.edu.au (ochre.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.96.118]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07070; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:11:03 -0400 Received: (from manning@localhost) by ochre.newcastle.edu.au (8.7.4/8.6.9) id KAA05135; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:10:48 +1000 From: Joseph Manning Message-Id: <199609180010.KAA05135@ochre.newcastle.edu.au> Subject: Re: Pcmcia Card and Linux To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:10:48 +1000 (EST) Cc: manning@cs.newcastle.edu.au (Joseph Manning) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at Sep 17, 96 12:16:01 pm Content-Type: text > From: Adam Finkelstein > Subject: Pcmcia Card and Linux > > Hello, > is IBM's 10 Base-T credit card adaptor II work with Linux? > Does anyone know? Are the drivers upgradeable to Win95? Yes indeed it does, I'm using one right now and it works very well. I'm running RedHat-3.0.3 "Picasso" Linux, on a ThinkPad-755CX; Linux recognized the card automatically, there was absolutely no tweaking to do. As far as Win95 goes, I have no idea, I don't use it. Cheers, Joseph =============================================================================== Joseph Manning Department of Computer Science Department of Computer Science The University of Newcastle Vassar College Newcastle, NSW 2308, Australia Poughkeepsie, NY 12601, USA manning@cs.newcastle.edu.au manning@cs.vassar.edu =============================================================================== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 04:22:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA194344970; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:22:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12751; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:22:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:17:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12147; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:17:06 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com (poblano.near.net [198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12141; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:17:02 -0400 Subject: Reducing display power? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:16:15 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9609180416.aa24200@poblano.bbnplanet.com> Yesterday evening I had occasion to use my 760E in a dark room, and was attempting to generate as little light as possible. I was rather surprised to discover that a screenful of black generates significantly more light than a screen that's *off*, even with the brightness all the way down. Is there some way to reduce the ambient brightness even more? Is this even physically possible without hardware mods? --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 09:08:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA232562103; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:08:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09575; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:07:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08522; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:56:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08515; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:56:20 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA14367 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:56:10 GMT Received: from slip129-37-211-82.wi.us.ibm.net(129.37.211.82) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma1hYDFW; Wed Sep 18 12:56:06 1996 Message-Id: <323FF127.2FCE@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 07:55:03 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Wilson" Reply-To: jcwilso@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: telephony features References: <9609172255.AA07844@innovacorp.ns.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy, I have used the FaxWorks program that came with my 755cx (w/ MWave DSP) for telephony functions and it works pretty well. They have a new version called "Focal Point". It costs 84.95 (USD) from PC Connection. Their US# is 800-800-1111, I can't find a CA #.. You can also fax them at 603-446-7791. FaxWorks offers speakerphone functions, complete telephone control via the software, voice mail, fax and fax-back features. I use it only occasionally for telephony but frequently for faxing. Hope this helps. Joe Wilson Milwaukee, WI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 12:15:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA257323316; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:15:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27710; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:13:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:10:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27409; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:10:10 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27385; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:10:06 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id MAA14529; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:11:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:11:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" Reply-To: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New HP Omnibook Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just spotted the announcement for this and thought it was interesting how the TP560 stacks up (or doesn't) against it. http://www.hp.com:80/mcd/models/800index.html http://hpcc998.external.hp.com:80/pressrel/sep96/09sep96b.htm HP Omnibook 800 3.75 pounds 7.27 x 11.12 x 1.57 inches (18.49 x 28.2 x 3.96 cm) Intel Pentium 100- or 133-MHz processor PCI bus architecture 256-KB SRAM L2 cache 10.4-inch TFT SVGA or 10-inch DSTN SVGA display (800x600) 16 Mbytes of EDO DRAM, expandable to 40 or 48 Mbytes 810-million- or 1.35 billion-byte Enhanced-IDE PCI hard drive Touch-type, full-sized keyboard Accelerated 128-bit PCI UVGA video controller, supports MPEG Sound Blaster Pro-compatible stereo sound with two speakers and a built in microphone Optional external quad-speed CD-ROM drive Lithium-ion battery with battery life up to 3 hours, recharges in 2.5 hours Built-in, self-calibrating, pop-up mouse Three-year, worldwide limited warranty 2 Type II or 1 Type III PCMCIA slots, CardBus ready 9-pin RS-232 port (16550 UART) 25-pin bidirectional ECP/EPP (parallel port) SVGA-out (up to 1024x768x256 colors) 4-Mbps IRDA-2 ifrared port Stereo-in, stereo-out, mic-in SCSI-2 port (requires cable) list est. street 800CT 133MHz 1.44GB/16MB 10.4" TFT US$5215 $4850 800CS 100MHz 1.44GB/16MB 10.0" DSTN $3645 $3390 docking system $450 $420 4x CD-ROM drive $450 $420 The info sheet mentions "Operating-system-independent setup utility" which makes me think it's APM features are a lot like the 701's. The CD-ROM drive comes with the SCSI-2 converter cable, and plugs into the same AC adapter as the computer. Another thing they (apparently) did right is include a "Product Recovery CD-ROM Support Utility disk." My guess is that has all the original preinstalled software on it in case you want to repartition your hard drive. About the only bad things I can see are - stupid pop-out mouse - can't do 65,536 colors in 800x600 mode (it can do it in 640x480) - no PS/2 keyboard/mouse port without the dock - LCD *may* be limited to only 256 colors (from a 262k color palette) What is CardBus? The press release says the video chipset is by NeoMagic. Anybody ever heard of them? Sorry if this sounds like an ad for HP. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 12:16:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA257553398; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:16:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21773; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:11:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:05:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21101; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:05:32 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU ([18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21066; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:05:23 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA13950; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:06:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Joseph Manning Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Subject: Re: Pcmcia Card and Linux In-Reply-To: <199609180010.KAA05135@ochre.newcastle.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Joseph Manning wrote: > > From: Adam Finkelstein > > > > is IBM's 10 Base-T credit card adaptor II work with Linux? > > Does anyone know? Are the drivers upgradeable to Win95? > > Yes indeed it does, I'm using one right now and it works very well. > I'm running RedHat-3.0.3 "Picasso" Linux, on a ThinkPad-755CX; > Linux recognized the card automatically, there was absolutely no > tweaking to do. Well, if you recompile the kernel, you have to rebuild the PCMCIA services as well. The version that installs with Picasso is the version the precompiled kernel looks for, not the version a newly compiled kernel expects. At least that was my experience. (In other words, keep a copy of the original kernel around until you've tested to make sure everything works. Nothing sucks more than having to reinstall just so you can regain net access to ftp some files.) -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 12:37:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA259774637; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:37:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00703; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:36:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:34:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00397; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:34:22 -0400 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00391; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:34:20 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA00720; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:34:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:34:05 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199609181634.JAA00720@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: new hp omnibook The main thing I haven't liked about any of the older Omnibooks is the keyboards are terrible (too stiff, etc). They also tend to have nonstandard hardware (weird kbd controller etc.) that prevent running Linux. Cardbus is a hack that allows attaching what are basically full speed PCI devices using the PCMCIA socket. It can also support regular PCMCIA cards (which are a lot slower). Great stuff. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 13:07:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA264626439; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:07:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03299; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:05:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:03:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03025; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:03:27 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03007; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from default (mol-il1-09.ix.netcom.com [205.184.148.41]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21421 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:02:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199609181702.KAA21421@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John Carmody" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 12:06:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: 760ED/pm_hyber.bin Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) I have a 760ED with Windows 95 operating system. When I stumbled across the 18 million byte file in the root directory called pm_hyber.bin I figured it must be a bloated cache and followed a reclass instinct to delete it. Oops, it must be needed for Thinkpad's system hybernation, because a message came up indicating a new one had been created. QUESTION: Have I lost anything important? Should I restore the one in the Windows trash bin? Thanks, -- John Carmody E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 13:36:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA269788163; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:36:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05501; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:34:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:32:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05328; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:31:59 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05312; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:31:54 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14032 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA31674; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:32:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:32:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Thinkpad - NOT! Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Saw this announcement on the IBM gopher site. Maybebe we'll see some of these rugged features on a later thinkpad. IBM 2489 Rugged Notebook Computer for Demanding Environments Announced on September 17, 1996 HARDWARE Announcement 196-206 At a Glance Designed for today's field-based professionals, the 2489 Model 600 Rugged Notebook computer is a powerful, multi-use, Windows-based notebook, providing durability and flexibility. Features include: o Full-size, transflective monochrome display with a 6.6-inch x 4.9-inch viewable area o Weight -- 6.5 lb o A 486SXLC2-50 processor and internal 8KB associative high-speed memory cache o 8MB standard internal RAM, expandable to 16MB o PCMCIA port that can house a Type I, II, or III card o Additional connectivity available through RJ-11 jack, parallel port, and serial port o Rugged 1.8-inch 340MB or 1GB hard drive options o Optional 2.4GHz wireless LAN spread spectrum radio for wireless attach to LAN o WAN radios to connect to CDPD/ARDIS/RAM networks, and internal 28.8K modem o An integrated, full-duplex speaker phone ----------------------------------------- For ordering, contact: Your IBM representative, an IBM Authorized Business Partner, or IBM DIRECT at 800-IBM-CALL Reference: SE005 Overview If you are part of the fast-paced, mobile workforce running from one job to another, you need a computer notebook tough enough to keep up with your demanding schedule -- you need the new IBM 2489 Rugged Notebook. This durable Windows+-based computer has a 486SXLC-50 microprocessor and internal 8KB associative high-speed memory cache to give you superior computing power and performance -- in and out of the office. It's built around 3.3 V low-power computer logic, so the system's still running at the end of the day. The notebook features short travel-keys with protective elastomer buffering, making the circuit board and keyboard connection virtually impervious to rain, beverage spills, and other environmental hazards. Its full-size, transflective display makes it easy to view information. Main memory is 8MB standard and can be expanded to a maximum of 16MB. The internal hard disk drive of the IBM 2489 is built to withstand the most demanding environments. A full line of options is available, including integrated WAN wireless modems and a LAN spread spectrum radio, making this mobile computer flexible enough to grow as your computing needs increase. With its proven toughness and flexibility, the 2489 Rugged Notebook is truly a superior tool for all of your field information gathering and processing needs. Intended Customers The IBM 2489 Rugged Notebook is designed for mobile professionals who need a system for managing and communicating information in the field. Professionals in construction, distribution, and service repair are just some of the mobile users that can benefit from this rugged notebook. Key Prerequisites Industries with a mobile workforce that need a system to perform in extremely demanding environmental conditions. Planned Availability Date Base machine and all other optional features: October 21, 1996 Wireless modems: December 13, 1996 Integrated 2.4GHz Spread Spectrum Radio: January 31, 1997 DESCRIPTION The new IBM 2489 Rugged Notebook Model 600 is tough enough to stand up to the demanding schedules of field-based professionals. The Model 600 is designed around a 3.3 V low-power logic that allows the system to run more efficiently so that it is still going strong at the end of the day. For superior computing performance, this Windows-based system is powered by a 486SXLC-50 microprocessor and features an internal 8KB associative high-speed memory cache that is capable of running at zero wait states with the processor operating at its full 50MHz. Main memory is provided via two stacking memory modules with a maximum capacity of 16MB. The full-size, transflective monochrome display with a 6.6-inch x 4.9-inch viewable area is easy to read and offers 64 gray tones, backlight, and elastomer buffering to protect it from the elements. A full line of rugged peripherals is supported to meet the constant demands of change and growth, including an optional integrated 2.4GHz wireless LAN spread spectrum radio or wireless WAN modems to allow connectivity to ARDIS, Mobitex, and CDPD networks. With its high-durability and flexibility, the 2489 Rugged Notebook Model 600 is designed to be a true multi-use field workstation. Consider it for all of your field information gathering and processing needs. PUBLICATIONS The 2489 Rugged Notebook Computer User's Manual is shipped with the IBM 2489 computer. The following publications are available immediately. To order, contact your IBM representative. Order Title Number AS/400(R) Wireless Local Area Network Installation and Planning Guide G571-0303 AS/400 Wireless Site Survey Guide G571-0339 The AS/400 Wireless Portable Devices Hardware Maintenance Library (G571-0334) is available immediately for the previously announced AS/400 Wireless LAN Family of products. To order, contact your IBM representative. TECHNICAL INFORMATION Specified Operating Environment Physical Specifications o Width: 19.1 cm (7.5 in) o Depth: 7.6 cm (3.0 in) o Length: 26.7 cm (10.5 in) o Weight: 2.9 kg (6.5 lb) Operating Environment o Operating temperature: -20(degs) to +60(degs)C (-4(degs) to +140(degs)F) o Storage temperature: -40(degs) to +75(degs)C (-40(degs) to +167(degs)F) o Shock: Repeated 3-feet, 3-inch (1.0 m) drops on all surfaces, edges, and corners o Vibration: .04 g squared/Hz over 20 to 1,000Hz random o Rain/Wind: 4 in (10.2 cm/hour at 40 mph (64.4 km/hr)) o Operating altitude: 15,000 ft (4.5 km with 4,000 ft (1.2 km)) per minute o ESD: Contact discharge to 4 KV -- no effect - Contact discharge to 8 KV -- no data loss, resets, or reboots - Air discharge to 15 KV -- no computer failure o Radio characteristics: Wireless Modem for ARDIS - Operating range: -- Transmit: 806MHz to 825MHz -- Receive: 851MHz to 870MHz - Half duplex - 600mW transmit power - Receiver sensitivity: -116 dBm - Antenna: 1/4 wave helical monopole, 1.5 dBi gain, omnidirectional - Antenna connector: mini SMB coax connector (180 degrees rotation) Wireless Modem for Cellular/CDPD - Operating range: -- Transmit: 824MHz to 849MHz -- Receive: 860MHz to 894MHz - Full duplex - 0.6W transmit power: continuously variable from 1 mw to 0.6W - Receiver sensitivity: -116 dBm - Antenna: 1/4 wave helical monopole, 1.5 dBi gain, omnidirectional - Antenna connector: mini SMB coax connector (180 degrees rotation) Wireless Modem for Mobitex - Operating range: -- Transmit: 896MHz to 902MHz -- Receive: 935MHz to 941MHz - Half duplex - 2W transmit power: controlled in 5 steps (0, -3, -5.2, -9, -15 dB) - Receiver sensitivity: -113 dBm Hardware Requirements: The 2489 Model 600 comes complete and ready to operate -- no additional hardware is required. However, there are a few considerations: o The batteries that come with the unit should be charged for three hours at moderate temperatures (approximately 70(degs)F). You can charge the 2489 with the external AC adapter connected and use it while the batteries are charging. o Wireless communication can be added to the 2489 by choosing the appropriate wireless adapters. Both wireless LAN 2.4GHz direct sequence spread spectrum radios and WAN radios are available. The WAN radios are available for CDPD, ARDIS, and Mobitex networks. o A floppy disk drive can be connected either via the PCMCIA port using feature number 6206 or via the parallel port using feature number 6207. The parallel port floppy is a bootable drive. Software Requirements: Specify one of the following operating systems with your machine order: o MS DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.11 (#5489) o Windows 95 (#5490) o Pen Win/MS-DOS 3.1x system software (#5491) You must order the touch screen feature (#5482) to use the Pen-based software. Planning Information Customer Responsibilities: Before purchasing any of the radio wireless products for LAN environments, it is highly recommended that a professional site survey be conducted to determine appropriate radio frequency coverage and assure an effective network configuration. The results of the site survey will determine the recommended equipment that is ordered and placed in the customer environment. The customer is responsible for ensuring that an appropriate site survey is conducted by an authorized network designer and installer. IBM Availability Services is an IBM authorized site surveyor. Many IBM field personnel are trained to perform site surveys. The AS/400 Wireless Network Installation Planning Guide (G571-0303) is available to assist customers in preparing for a wireless LAN installation. The AS/400 Wireless Site Survey Guide (G571-0339) is available to assist IBM personnel in preparing to perform a wireless LAN site survey and future installation. For more information about site surveys and installation, contact your local IBM Availability Services representative or call the IBM Availability Services Support Line at 800-999-0052. Warranty Service Support Customer Carry-In Repair (CCR): Warranty service on the 2489 will be mail-in to the designated repair location, under the provisions of CCR. Maintenance Agreement Service will be performed at the repair center within 10 working days (not counting time in transit). Supplies and return shipping charges via second day air are covered. If post-warranty service is required, customers should call 800-IBM-SERV (426-7378). Calls will be routed to the Network Support Center for assistance with problem determination. If a hardware failure is identified, customers will be instructed where to ship the failing unit for repair. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 13:47:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA271408830; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:47:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06614; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:46:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:44:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06367; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:44:52 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06361; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:44:42 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id KAA17909 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:43:57 -0700 X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:47:22 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Caddy for floppy I read a post in comp.sys.laptops that there is a caddy you can buy for the floppy drive of a 755CD (and others I imagine) so you can use the floppy and CDROM at the same time. I called ibm direct but they want MONEY for giving product information. Does anyoone have information on this product? My main questions are: Price? How does it connect? (PCMCIA, Parallel, etc.) Weight? Dimensions? Is there a URL where I can see these specs and a PICTURE? I'd really like to see what it looks like. =) Thanks, -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 13:49:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA271668964; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:49:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06806; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:47:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06652; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:47:09 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06646; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:47:04 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-12.usc.edu [128.125.223.84]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id KAA08722; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960918174712.006daa18@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:47:12 -0700 To: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: telephony features Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 07:53 PM 9/17/96 -0400, Sandy Hines wrote: >I have jst completed a search for software that will allow me to use >my TP 760ED as a telephone i.e. voice in and out as well as dialing >and pickup. NO LUCK. My requirements are to be able to talk to a >client hands free using the TP and still be able to look at >spreadsheets, databases etc.. Anyone know of a company that sells >this stuff and if so any personal experiences would be appreciated. >Ifthere is a shareware program even better. Delrina (Now owned by Symantec) has a package called "TalkWorks" that provides all these kinds of telephony features. It also integrates very well with their WinFax software (which is, IMO, the best fax software available). If you buy WinFax, TalkWorks is only $20 extra. However, it didn't work with my 701, nor could I get it to work with the 701 and my Megahertz 28.8K modem. It has a very particular list of modems that are supported--and I'm not sure whether the IBM MWAVE (that's what's in the 760's, isn't it?) is. The modem in question must be voice-enabled (which is why my MHz card didn't work--as for the 701's built-in telephony, it simply didn't recognize the hardware). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 13:58:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA273409493; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:58:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07927; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:57:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:55:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07638; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:55:29 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (1073744992@UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07619; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 13:55:24 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Sep96-1023AM) id AA14462; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:54:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: Michael Redmond Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Alan Sukiennik Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD In-Reply-To: <199609161342.IAA00347@cae.wisc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How bout putting MIDI on a 701c, has anyone done that. 701 has a port replicator, but no game port. Is it even possible to use the MIDI on TP701? ============ Stephen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 14:08:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA274730121; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:08:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09148; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:07:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:06:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08939; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:06:18 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08930; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:06:13 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-12.usc.edu [128.125.223.84]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA13633; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960918180635.00735ddc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:06:35 -0700 To: "John Carmody" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: 760ED/pm_hyber.bin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:06 PM 9/18/96 +0000, John Carmody wrote: >I have a 760ED with Windows 95 operating system. When I stumbled >across the 18 million byte file in the root directory called >pm_hyber.bin I figured it must be a bloated cache and followed a >reclass instinct to delete it. Oops, it must be needed for >Thinkpad's system hybernation, because a message came up indicating a >new one had been created. QUESTION: Have I lost anything important? >Should I restore the one in the Windows trash bin? Thanks, If it created a new one and you want/need it for hibernation, they you're fine. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 14:09:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA274870196; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:09:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09274; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:08:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:07:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09060; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:07:21 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09046; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:07:16 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-12.usc.edu [128.125.223.84]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA13649; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960918180637.00738d58@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:06:37 -0700 To: "John H. Kim" From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: New HP Omnibook Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:11 PM 9/18/96 -0400, John H. Kim wrote: >I just spotted the announcement for this and thought it was >interesting how the TP560 stacks up (or doesn't) against it. > >http://www.hp.com:80/mcd/models/800index.html >http://hpcc998.external.hp.com:80/pressrel/sep96/09sep96b.htm > >HP Omnibook 800 This machine really does sound exciting. I'm a big fan of HP--almost everything they make is worth owning. However, the Omnibooks have always been a bit quirky. Weird things like drivers not working with them & PCMCIA cards that work with everything *but* an Omnibook, etc. If they've ironed this stuff out for the 800, great. If not...I'm not sure I'd want to buy one. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 14:26:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA279031165; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:26:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10949; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:25:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:23:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10772; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:23:25 -0400 Received: from kells.vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10763; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:23:13 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com (lgate.vmedia.com [199.72.13.243]) by kells.vmedia.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id OAA03580 for <@kells.vmedia.com:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA2924; Wed, 18 Sep 96 14:21:52 -0700 Message-Id: <9609182121.AA2924@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 948224DD6235BC0E852563A90063425A; Wed, 18 Sep 96 14:21:50 EDT To: mfukatsu Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 18 Sep 96 14:23:19 EDT Subject: Re: Caddy for floppy X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...I read a post in comp.sys.laptops that there is a caddy you can buy for the floppy drive of a 755CD (and others I imagine) so you can use the floppy and CDROM at the same time. I called ibm direct but they want MONEY for giving product information. Does anyoone have information on this product? My main questions are: Price? How does it connect? (PCMCIA, Parallel, etc.) Weight? Dimensions? Is there a URL where I can see these specs and a PICTURE? I'd really like to see what it looks like. =)..." ~~~~~ i have one of them. it's black, about 1"h x 4"w x 7"l and weighs nothing at all. it's basically a plastic sleeve with a cable coming out the back. the interface is proprietary (looks like a micro-mini scsi2) and i don't know which laptops have the female counterpart on the back, if any. i have a 755cd and it does not, but the port replicator does, so that's how i use it. the part # is 66G3696. the fru # is 66G5069. the price is $135.00. in case it means anything to any of you, this is a "scrap" part at tech support, just like the floppy drive itself. Michael J. Verne Systems Administrator, Ventana Communications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ------------------------------- If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 17:13:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA004921208; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 17:13:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09665; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:11:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:09:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09373; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:09:43 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09333; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 14:09:34 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id LAA18887; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:05:32 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 11:09:19 -0800 To: "John Carmody" Subject: Re: 760ED/pm_hyber.bin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >I have a 760ED with Windows 95 operating system. When I stumbled >across the 18 million byte file in the root directory called >pm_hyber.bin I figured it must be a bloated cache and followed a >reclass instinct to delete it. Oops, it must be needed for >Thinkpad's system hybernation, because a message came up indicating a >new one had been created. QUESTION: Have I lost anything important? >Should I restore the one in the Windows trash bin? Thanks, >-- >John Carmody >E-mail: oam@ix.netcom.com John, I don't think deleting this proves any problems. It is simply a file that the machine writes to when you set it into hibernation. This file should be proportional to the amount of ram you have. If you don't have this file on your system, it can be created at any time. Therefore, you don't even need it if you're never going to hibernate. And if you are, just create one. -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 18 19:54:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA027540857; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:54:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14374; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:53:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:48:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13951; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:48:19 -0400 Received: from zima.bbn.com (ZIMA.BBN.COM [128.89.8.110]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13945; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:48:16 -0400 Received: from doppleboch.bbn.com (doppleboch.bbn.com [128.89.6.100]) by zima.bbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05622; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from cerys@localhost) by doppleboch.bbn.com (8.7.3/8.7.3/sl1.1) id TAA10640; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 19:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609182347.TAA10640@doppleboch.bbn.com> From: Daniel Cerys To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: mfukatsu , tp750 Subject: Re: Caddy for floppy In-Reply-To: <9609182121.AA2924@lgate.vmedia.com> References: <9609182121.AA2924@lgate.vmedia.com> Comments: Hyperbole mail buttons accepted, v3.18.6. Michael Verne wrote on 18 September 1996: > "...I read a post in comp.sys.laptops that there is a caddy you can buy for the > floppy drive of a 755CD (and others I imagine) so you can use the floppy > and CDROM at the same time. I called ibm direct but they want MONEY for > giving product information. > Does anyoone have information on this product? My main questions are: > Price? > How does it connect? (PCMCIA, Parallel, etc.) > Weight? > Dimensions? > Is there a URL where I can see these specs and a PICTURE? I'd really like > to see what it looks like. =)..." > > ~~~~~ > > i have one of them. it's black, about 1"h x 4"w x 7"l and weighs nothing at > all. it's basically a plastic sleeve with a cable coming out the back. the > interface is proprietary (looks like a micro-mini scsi2) and i don't know which > laptops have the female counterpart on the back, if any. i have a 755cd and it > does not, but the port replicator does, so that's how i use it. > > the part # is 66G3696. the fru # is 66G5069. the price is $135.00. in case > it means anything to any of you, this is a "scrap" part at tech support, just > like the floppy drive itself. This is known as the FDD External Attachment Kit. It's useful to have, but I did have a moment of hesitation paying that price for a cable and a piece of plastic. The good news is that the resultant package is very light in weight. I carry mine with me on trips. The connector attaches to not only all of the standard docks/replicators, but also to a connector on the 760's. (Is this the same connector used by the 560's?). I purchased my FDD External Attachment Kit from PC Connection. I had trouble finding one in stock, and had to wait for a significant backorder. Dan ----------------------------------------------- Daniel Cerys Email: cerys@bbn.com BBN Work Phone: +1(617)873-4534 10 Moulton St. FAX: +1(617)873-2794 Mail Stop 6/4A Cambridge MA 02138 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 01:06:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA064109606; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:06:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08606; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:05:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:01:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08335; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:01:30 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08329; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:01:27 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA11143 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA32653; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:02:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 01:02:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Since I remember someone else on the list having the same problem as me, I'm posting this the list. I managed to get all the enhanced video features on my 755cd working under win95. The trick was to comment out the line device=IBMTPURA.VXD in system.ini, and manually add in in the 386enh section device=c:\v7320\v7320.386 and it works using the Windows95 Western Digital drivers, you don't have to use the Win 3.1 drivers for the 755. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 02:07:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA069503240; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:07:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11670; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:06:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:05:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11475; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:05:00 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11469; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:04:56 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA12434 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA14105; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:05:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:05:31 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinof) Message-Id: <9609190605.AA14105@yu1.yu.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mwave NT drivers I'm not sure if there was an earlier release but there are NT drivers dated Sep 13 for the mwave card. The files needed are mwavent1.exe mwavent2.exe, and mwaventx.doc at ftp.pc.ibm.com in /pub/pccbbs/mobiles. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 02:29:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA071244570; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:29:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13659; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:28:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:28:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13560; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:28:04 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13532; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:27:43 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id bb550.wrk; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:26:44 PDT Message-Id: <3.0b19.32.19960918232534.0069d77c@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b19 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:25:39 -0700 To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the input. However I already had the v7320 device specified in the system.ini. I took out the IBMTPURA.VXD as you suggested since it was still in there, but no luck. Note: I do have some enhanced video features. ie. I can input from the TV or output to a TV. My problem is, with this nice NEC MultiSync XP17 that I just bought, I would like to make use of the higher output resolutions to the external monitor. When I go into display, the options are all greyed out for higher than 640x480 resolution. Also no screen rotation which I used under 3.1 when using the LCD display panel feature. (I have a CDV). Do you have the higher external video resolutions available? Thanks for keeping us posted Pat At 10:03 PM 9/18/96 PDT, you wrote: >Since I remember someone else on the list having the same problem as me, >I'm posting this the list. >I managed to get all the enhanced video features on my 755cd working under >win95. The trick was to comment out the line device=IBMTPURA.VXD in >system.ini, and manually add in in the 386enh section >device=c:\v7320\v7320.386 >and it works using the Windows95 Western Digital drivers, you don't have >to use the Win 3.1 drivers for the 755. > >Josh Hosseinof >hosseino@yu1.yu.edu > > > > ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 02:48:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA073175684; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:48:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15002; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:47:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:46:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14912; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:46:15 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14906; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:46:11 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA12891; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA54027; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:46:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 02:46:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: Pat Presidente Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 In-Reply-To: <3.0b19.32.19960918232534.0069d77c@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Pat Presidente wrote: > Note: I do have some enhanced video features. ie. I can input from the TV > or output to a TV. My problem is, with this nice NEC MultiSync XP17 that I > just bought, I would like to make use of the higher output resolutions to > the external monitor. When I go into display, the options are all greyed > out for higher than 640x480 resolution. Also no screen rotation which I > used under 3.1 when using the LCD display panel feature. (I have a CDV). I believe I read in one of the doc files somewhere that enhanced video features do not work when you use the external monitor. The rotation feature is only available using the 3.1 drivers. You have to go into control panel and change the display driver there to switch between rotating and not rotating, but it can't be done on the fly, you have to reboot in between changes. Also when you say that the resolution fields are greyed out in display, I assume you mean the thinkpad display program. The top half in the advanced menu will be greyed out because that is to set the LCD, and that must be changed thru control panel, the bottom half with the monitor type should be able to be changed. If you don't have a bottom half then you need to install the newer utility disk. Josh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 03:55:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA079199752; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:55:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20825; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:54:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20547; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:51:17 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20526; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 03:51:13 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id 66b0.wrk; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:51:22 PDT Message-Id: <3.0b19.32.19960919005021.00698790@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b19 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 00:50:24 -0700 To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I do have the latest utility disk and there is a place to change the SVGA monitor type. I have put the NECXP17 name in there. In the Win 95 control panel I've also specified the monitor type as NecXP17. It doesn't matter what I try, as soon as I try and move higher than the 640x480 resolution, my number of colors drops from 256 to 16. It's been a real frustration. Any more clues would be appreciated. Thanks again Pat At 11:47 PM 9/18/96 PDT, you wrote: >On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Pat Presidente wrote: > >> Note: I do have some enhanced video features. ie. I can input from the TV >> or output to a TV. My problem is, with this nice NEC MultiSync XP17 that I >> just bought, I would like to make use of the higher output resolutions to >> the external monitor. When I go into display, the options are all greyed >> out for higher than 640x480 resolution. Also no screen rotation which I >> used under 3.1 when using the LCD display panel feature. (I have a CDV). > >I believe I read in one of the doc files somewhere that enhanced video >features do not work when you use the external monitor. The rotation >feature is only available using the 3.1 drivers. You have to go into >control panel and change the display driver there to switch between >rotating and not rotating, but it can't be done on the fly, you have to >reboot in between changes. Also when you say that the resolution fields >are greyed out in display, I assume you mean the thinkpad display program. >The top half in the advanced menu will be greyed out because that is to >set the LCD, and that must be changed thru control panel, the bottom half >with the monitor type should be able to be changed. If you don't have a >bottom half then you need to install the newer utility disk. > >Josh > > > ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 06:05:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091117515; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:05:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10345; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:03:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:00:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10013; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:00:51 -0400 Received: from fire.tic.ch ([193.193.144.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA09978; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 06:00:37 -0400 Received: from ar.tic.ch by fire.tic.ch via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/951211.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA23442; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 12:02:33 +0200 Received: by ar.tic.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BBA621.520DFA80@ar.tic.ch>; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:54:32 +-200 Message-Id: <01BBA621.520DFA80@ar.tic.ch> From: Andrew Richards To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FW: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:54:29 +-200 Encoding: 17 TEXT Thinks... I believe Roland do a PCMCIA MIDI card... ---------- From: Stephen Mosley[SMTP:mosleys@ucs.orst.edu] Sent: Mittwoch, 18. September 1996 12:54 To: Michael Redmond Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Alan Sukiennik Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD How bout putting MIDI on a 701c, has anyone done that. 701 has a port replicator, but no game port. Is it even possible to use the MIDI on TP701? ============ Stephen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 10:08:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA113282130; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:08:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00618; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:06:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:53:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29105; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:53:41 -0400 Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29082; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:53:37 -0400 Received: from interport.net (alster@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23042 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alster@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA27658 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: aoster Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave NT drivers In-Reply-To: <9609190605.AA14105@yu1.yu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Joshua Hosseinof wrote: > I'm not sure if there was an earlier release but there are NT drivers > dated Sep 13 for the mwave card. The files needed are mwavent1.exe > mwavent2.exe, and mwaventx.doc at ftp.pc.ibm.com in /pub/pccbbs/mobiles. Hey, does anyone know for sure if they are updated? The help file, mwaventx.doc , is dated September 13th but it's dated July 15th inside the file. --- alster@interport.net allen@metaverse.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 10:39:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116603966; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:39:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04345; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:37:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:36:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04065; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:36:06 -0400 Received: from apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu (apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.18.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04032; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:35:59 -0400 Received: from war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu by apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Dec94-0213PM) id AA30184; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:36:00 -0400 From: "M. Arifi Koseoglu" Received: by war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/08Jul96-1245PM) id AA18066; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:38:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:38:02 -0400 Message-Id: <9609191438.AA18066@war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win95+Win311 on 701 Reply-To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu Hello, Has anyone here had Win95 and Win311 co-exist on a 701 (Butterfly) ? If yes, how did you install the Win95 on top of the factory installed IBM PC-DOS 6.3 + Win311 without removing those ? Any comments/suggestions/advise ? Thanks in advance, Arifi -- Arifi Koseoglu arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 10:40:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA116644011; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:40:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04421; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:38:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:37:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04235; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:37:22 -0400 Received: from nrcnet0.nrc.ca (nrcnet0.nrc.ca [132.246.160.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04223; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:37:13 -0400 Received: from coursmtp.nrc.ca (coursmtp.nrc.ca [132.246.160.10]) by nrcnet0.nrc.ca (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA26327 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by coursmtp.nrc.ca with Microsoft Mail id <324144F2@coursmtp.nrc.ca>; Thu, 19 Sep 96 09:04:50 EDT From: "Oleskiw, Myron" To: "'ThinkPad'" Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 09:02:00 EDT Message-Id: <324144F2@coursmtp.nrc.ca> Encoding: 28 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I purchased a parallel to MIDI converter about 18 months ago and have since been successfully using it on Windows 3.11 and now on Windows 95 with my TP750. If you wish to use the device during a session, then the converter must be connected to the parallel port when the computer boots so that the converter is correctly initialized. It allows both the playing of MIDI music on my electronic keyboard and also the recording of material from the keyboard. The converter can either be powered from the parallel cable or >from a separate voltage converter. IMO, the beauty of this approach is that the device is quickly transferred between any standard IBM-compatible computer. You may be more restricted if you use a PC-Card device. E-mail me if you need more information. Myron Oleskiw myron.oleskiw@nrc.ca ---------- From: owner-thinkpad To: Michael Redmond Cc: thinkpad; Alan Sukiennik Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD Date: Wednesday, September 18, 1996 10:54 How bout putting MIDI on a 701c, has anyone done that. 701 has a port replicator, but no game port. Is it even possible to use the MIDI on TP701? ============ Stephen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 10:46:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA117234412; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:46:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05334; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:45:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:44:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05120; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:44:22 -0400 Received: from cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.240.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05087; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:44:10 -0400 Received: from hobie.engr.wisc.edu (hobie.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.58]) by cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail 1.1/CAE1.1) with SMTP id JAA07921; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:43:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609191443.JAA07921@cae.wisc.edu> X-Sender: redmond@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:44:14 -0500 To: Pat Presidente , hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From: Michael Redmond Subject: Re: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu If I am not mistaken, you must disable the enhanced video in order to use resolutions above 640 X 480. Go into the TP Video Controller utility and Disable enhanced video if you want to use an external, hi-res screen. Also, in the Display utility, you need to set CRT only. This still allows you to use the LCD when a monitor is not attached. Warning, keep the color at 256 for all screen resolutions, otherwise you need to reboot to change. Also, if you have the system set to high resolution, and then for to LCD use, and then the system flakes (needs a reboot), nasty things happen with the display settings that require WIN 95 to come up in Troubleshooting mode. Before I hybernate my system, I always switch the resolution to 640 X 480 to avoid this problem. I have a fairly tricky setup that doesn't require a reboot to go mobile or to reconnect to desktop use. It's pretty handy and saves lots of bootup time in both directions. Thanks Mike Redmond ------------- At 12:50 AM 9/19/96 -0700, Pat Presidente wrote: >I do have the latest utility disk and there is a place to change the SVGA >monitor type. I have put the NECXP17 name in there. In the Win 95 control >panel I've also specified the monitor type as NecXP17. It doesn't matter >what I try, as soon as I try and move higher than the 640x480 resolution, >my number of colors drops from 256 to 16. > >It's been a real frustration. >Any more clues would be appreciated. > >Thanks again >Pat > > >At 11:47 PM 9/18/96 PDT, you wrote: >>On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Pat Presidente wrote: >> >>> Note: I do have some enhanced video features. ie. I can input from the TV >>> or output to a TV. My problem is, with this nice NEC MultiSync XP17 that I >>> just bought, I would like to make use of the higher output resolutions to >>> the external monitor. When I go into display, the options are all greyed >>> out for higher than 640x480 resolution. Also no screen rotation which I >>> used under 3.1 when using the LCD display panel feature. (I have a CDV). >> >>I believe I read in one of the doc files somewhere that enhanced video >>features do not work when you use the external monitor. The rotation >>feature is only available using the 3.1 drivers. You have to go into >>control panel and change the display driver there to switch between >>rotating and not rotating, but it can't be done on the fly, you have to >>reboot in between changes. Also when you say that the resolution fields >>are greyed out in display, I assume you mean the thinkpad display program. >>The top half in the advanced menu will be greyed out because that is to >>set the LCD, and that must be changed thru control panel, the bottom half >>with the monitor type should be able to be changed. If you don't have a >>bottom half then you need to install the newer utility disk. >> >>Josh >> >> >> >===========================================================================| >O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| >|_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | >| | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | >===========================================================================| >"It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | >===========================================================================| > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 10:48:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA117374516; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:48:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05687; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:47:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:46:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05417; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:45:58 -0400 Received: from cae.wisc.edu (serv0.cae.wisc.edu [144.92.240.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05407; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:45:54 -0400 Received: from hobie.engr.wisc.edu (hobie.engr.wisc.edu [144.92.12.58]) by cae.wisc.edu (CAE sendmail 1.1/CAE1.1) with SMTP id JAA08342; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:45:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609191445.JAA08342@cae.wisc.edu> X-Sender: redmond@serv0.cae.wisc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 09:46:18 -0500 To: Andrew Richards , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Michael Redmond Subject: Re: FW: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD There are also homebrew solutions that allow you to put a midi connection on a serial port. Try a Web search on serial midi. Thanks Mike Redmond ----------- At 11:54 AM 9/19/96 +-200, Andrew Richards wrote: >Thinks... I believe Roland do a PCMCIA MIDI card... > >---------- >From: Stephen Mosley[SMTP:mosleys@ucs.orst.edu] >Sent: Mittwoch, 18. September 1996 12:54 >To: Michael Redmond >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Alan Sukiennik >Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD > >How bout putting MIDI on a 701c, has anyone done that. 701 has a port >replicator, but no game port. Is it even possible to use the MIDI on TP701? > >============ >Stephen > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 14:55:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA165219323; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:55:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27875; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:45:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27307; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:45:56 -0400 Received: from peritus.com (benden.peritus.com [199.26.190.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27300; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:45:52 -0400 Received: from tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com (tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com [199.26.191.60]) by peritus.com (sendmail 8.6.12/Peritus-3.0) with ESMTP id OAA06794; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:41:50 -0400 Received: from localhost by tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com (sendmail 8.6.9/Peritus-2.0) id OAA21157; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:55:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199609191855.OAA21157@tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com> To: Pat Presidente Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 18 Sep 1996 23:25:39 PDT." <3.0b19.32.19960918232534.0069d77c@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 14:55:34 -0400 From: Don Markuson [Pat wrote:] -> Note: I do have some enhanced video features. ie. I can input from the TV -> or output to a TV. My problem is, with this nice NEC MultiSync XP17 that I -> just bought, I would like to make use of the higher output resolutions to -> the external monitor. When I go into display, the options are all greyed -> out for higher than 640x480 resolution. Also no screen rotation which I -> used under 3.1 when using the LCD display panel feature. (I have a CDV). -> -> Do you have the higher external video resolutions available? Apparently under Win95, you don't use the Video Features program to change these settings -- you use the Win95 mechanisms. Open your Display control panel and select the Settings tab, then Change Display Type. Make sure Adapter Type is Western Digital. Set Monitor Type to "Laptop Display Panel (1024x768)". You'll likely need to reboot. Once you do, again go into Display, then Settings, and the Desktop Area (resolution) bar should now be active. On my 755CD, I can switch between: 640x480 16-bit (High) Color 640x480 8-bit (256) Color 800x600 8-bit (256) Color 1024x768 8-bit (256) Color (Which reverts to just the 640x480 flavors when the notebook isn't connected to an external monitor). Win95 does the switch on-the-fly (no reboot needed) and if it works, expects you to click to retain the new setting, otherwise it times out after a few seconds and restores the previous video mode. (I guess they expect it will fail.) There's a Win95 PowerToy from Microsoft called QuickRes which puts a little icon in the system bar and allows you to switch modes quickly w/o going through the Display applet. When I was playing with this a few weeks back, I found that switching between Laptop Display, CRT, or Both was best done using the Fn-F7 and not IBM's Video Features program. The former worked, the latter crashed. However, I don't have the latest BIOS burned so this might have been fixed. ..Don Markuson d.markuson@ieee.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 17:30:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA187288607; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:30:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12820; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:28:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:24:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12418; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:24:47 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12412; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:24:44 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id RAA19340; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:25:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 17:25:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: "M. Arifi Koseoglu" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95+Win311 on 701 In-Reply-To: <9609191438.AA18066@war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, M. Arifi Koseoglu wrote: > Has anyone here had Win95 and Win311 co-exist on a 701 (Butterfly) ? > > If yes, how did you install the Win95 on top of the factory installed > IBM PC-DOS 6.3 + Win311 without removing those ? I thought Win95 let you install into a separate directory, and not over Win3? I sort of ran into the same problem. I wanted to put DOS 6.2, Win95, and linux on the same disk. The problem is that both DOS and Win95 insist on owning the C: partition. If you use DOS or Windows' fdisk, you can only have one primary partition, and it becomes C:. If you use Linux's fdisk, you can have more than one primary partition, but they become C:, D:, etc., and you can only boot off C:. If you use OS/2's boot manager, it lets you have more than one primary partition, AND it hides (deactivates, changes the file system id byte, call it what you will) all but one of them. By selecting an OS from the boot manager menu, it activates the appropriate partition and hides the other primary partitions. That's all I needed to keep DOS and Win95 happy and ignorant about the other's existence. Unfortunately, the factory installation puts everything on one huge partition, so I had to reformat and reinstall everything anyway. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 21:02:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA219091353; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:02:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29561; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:00:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29242; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:57:16 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com ([198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29235; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:57:12 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA24382 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:57:04 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199609200057.UAA24382@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Solaris 2.5.1 on a ThinkPad 760C? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing List) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:57:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone comment on the level of success I might expect when installing Solaris 2.5.1 on a ThinkPad 760C? I'm particularily interested in the level of X11 server support, but other feedback would also be appreciated. Linux is not an option in this case, although XFree86 for Solaris might be, if a version is available. Thanks in advance, -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 19 21:09:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA220371795; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:09:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00557; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:08:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:07:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00347; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:07:31 -0400 Received: from perseus.ultra.net (perseus.ultra.net [199.232.56.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00340; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:07:22 -0400 Received: from waypoint (d237.mbo.ma.ultra.net [146.115.33.237]) by perseus.ultra.net (8.7.4/dae0.6) with SMTP id VAA08113 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609200107.VAA08113@perseus.ultra.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Terry L. Page" Organization: Waypoint Technologies To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 15:47:14 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: REQ: Need 256 colors at 640X480 on a TP350C Reply-To: tpage@ma.ultranet.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Does anyone now the secret of how to get VGA 256 color activated on an IBM Thinkpad 350C? The IBM WWW site doesn't show that model (it's about 3 years old) and none of 256 color drivers I've tried seem to work. The only thing I can determine about the video is that the configuration utility shows the video controller to be a CT-65530 with 512 KB of memory. That is enough for 256 colors at 640 x 480, but where is a driver that will make it work? Thanks, Terry Page tpage@ma.ultranet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 00:01:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA244412104; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:01:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14486; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:00:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:56:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14017; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:56:43 -0400 Received: from access.cn.camriv.bc.ca (access.cn.camriv.bc.ca [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13996; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 23:56:23 -0400 Received: from [206.12.129.11] by access.cn.camriv.bc.ca id a70e0.wrk; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:56:30 PDT Message-Id: <3.0b19.32.19960919205529.006a2098@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca> X-Sender: Pat_Presidente@access.cn.camriv.bc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b19 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 20:55:32 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Pat Presidente Subject: Re: Enhanced Video on 755cd/win95 Cc: dmm@tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com, lyle.boyce@sd72.bc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" IT WORKS!! Thanks Don, everything worked exactly as you outlined, AFTER I disabled Enhanced Video in the Thinkpad Setup - Video Controller and set DISPLAY to CRT only. So, thanks again to everyone who provided input on this. Ain't collaboration grand! My XP17 looks great and I'm now off to get that little Power Toy. :-) Looking at the BIG picture Pat At 11:49 AM 9/19/96 PDT, you wrote: > >[Pat wrote:] >-> Note: I do have some enhanced video features. ie. I can input from the TV >-> or output to a TV. My problem is, with this nice NEC MultiSync XP17 that I >-> just bought, I would like to make use of the higher output resolutions to >-> the external monitor. When I go into display, the options are all greyed >-> out for higher than 640x480 resolution. Also no screen rotation which I >-> used under 3.1 when using the LCD display panel feature. (I have a CDV). >-> >-> Do you have the higher external video resolutions available? > >Apparently under Win95, you don't use the Video Features program to change >these settings -- you use the Win95 mechanisms. Open your Display control >panel and select the Settings tab, then Change Display Type. > >Make sure Adapter Type is Western Digital. Set Monitor Type to "Laptop >Display Panel (1024x768)". You'll likely need to reboot. Once you do, >again go into Display, then Settings, and the Desktop Area (resolution) bar >should now be active. On my 755CD, I can switch between: > 640x480 16-bit (High) Color > 640x480 8-bit (256) Color > 800x600 8-bit (256) Color > 1024x768 8-bit (256) Color >(Which reverts to just the 640x480 flavors when the notebook isn't connected >to an external monitor). > >Win95 does the switch on-the-fly (no reboot needed) and if it works, expects >you to click to retain the new setting, otherwise it times out after a few >seconds and restores the previous video mode. (I guess they expect it will >fail.) > >There's a Win95 PowerToy from Microsoft called QuickRes which puts a little >icon in the system bar and allows you to switch modes quickly w/o going >through the Display applet. > >When I was playing with this a few weeks back, I found that switching between >Laptop Display, CRT, or Both was best done using the Fn-F7 and not IBM's Video >Features program. The former worked, the latter crashed. However, I don't >have the latest BIOS burned so this might have been fixed. > >..Don Markuson > d.markuson@ieee.org > ===========================================================================| O _ | Pat Presidente District Technology Resource Teacher| |_-/_| | Pat_Presidente@sd72.bc.ca SD 72 445 Pinecrest Rd | | | | Ph 604-830-2353 Fx 604-830-2329 Campbell River, B.C. V9W 3P2 | ===========================================================================| "It's a half an inch of water and you think you're gonna drown"-John Prine | ===========================================================================| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 00:48:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250684890; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:48:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18206; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:46:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:44:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17969; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:44:29 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17963; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 00:44:27 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-68.usc.edu [128.125.224.140]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA07101; Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960920044450.00717270@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 21:44:50 -0700 To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Win95+Win311 on 701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:38 AM 9/19/96 -0400, M. Arifi Koseoglu wrote: >Has anyone here had Win95 and Win311 co-exist on a 701 (Butterfly) ? Yes. >If yes, how did you install the Win95 on top of the factory installed >IBM PC-DOS 6.3 + Win311 without removing those ? Just install Win 95--tell it to install in a different directory than the one you have Win 3.1 in. It will boot to Win 95, but you can press (F8?) at boot time to "boot to old version of DOS", etc. Recommended, if you want to keep old Windows for whatever reason (maybe just paranoia--good enough for me). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 09:41:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA298246864; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:41:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06641; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:37:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:31:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06109; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:31:00 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06102; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:55 -0400 Received: from fugen.voicenet.com (philly150.voicenet.com [207.103.16.229]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA09366; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:28:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Sukiennik To: Andrew Richards Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: FW: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD In-Reply-To: <01BBA621.520DFA80@ar.tic.ch> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You can try a parallel port MIDI converter, such as MIDI Quest Note1 Plus (or something like that). -Alan On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Andrew Richards wrote: > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 11:54:29 +-200 > From: Andrew Richards > To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" > Subject: FW: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD > > Thinks... I believe Roland do a PCMCIA MIDI card... > > ---------- > From: Stephen Mosley[SMTP:mosleys@ucs.orst.edu] > Sent: Mittwoch, 18. September 1996 12:54 > To: Michael Redmond > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Alan Sukiennik > Subject: RE: Has Anyone Ever External Midi'd a 755CD > > How bout putting MIDI on a 701c, has anyone done that. 701 has a port > replicator, but no game port. Is it even possible to use the MIDI on TP701? > > ============ > Stephen > > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 12:15:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA021476109; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:15:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23440; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:11:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:04:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22630; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:04:35 -0400 Received: from netcom23.netcom.com (cummings@netcom23.netcom.com [192.100.81.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22623; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:04:31 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom23.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA25600; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:04:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:04:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom23 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755ce Dos Mwave use In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am tring to setup a friends 755ce (486-100) to allow use of the mwave modem in a dos app. Have loaded the Mwave dos files (mwd202-1 & -2) and also upgraded the windows (3.11) drivers to the same level (mww202-1 & -2). Windows works fine at 288 like it should but Dos apps don't seem to get a responce from the modem. This is not in a dos window, booted directly into dos. Config.sys is loading MWDp0400.exe and autoexec.bat has a call mwave start noshow. Any Ideas.. Thanks in advance.... ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 12:15:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA021686120; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:15:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23447; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:11:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22675; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:08 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22667; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 12:05:04 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id JAA06771 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:04:59 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 09:07:59 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Please Help! negative XMS memory! Hi, I wrote ago about some hardware conflicts with the new 32 Meg IC Dram Card I got for my TP 755CD. I have the Pentium model which uses non-parity memory. The manufacturer sent me a new card with parity and now I have no conflicts anymore. However I still have a problem which I believe is software related... My system is a Linux/PCdos 7.0/win3.1 configuration. Linux sees all the memory just fine (X runs REALLY fast now) but windows does not. 1) If I boot into DOS and type MEM, it show I have ~38 Megs XMS memory free. 2) If I type MSD, It says I have 640k conventional ~25 to 27 Megs of NEGATIVE XMS and extended memory. 3) I then run windows. when I check my system resources I (using dashboard or msinfo) it says that I have 40 Megs of Ram free but my RESOURCES are the same as when I only had 8Megs of RAM. 4) So I see how many programs I can open, and sure enough, I hit an out off memory error after about 6 or 7 major applications. I don't think it's a bios problem because I can see all 40 Megs of RAM using easy setup. I aslo ran the diagnostics in easy setup and all the hardware passed. What do I do!? Is there some way to set memory parameters in dos so that win3.1 will use all the memory? Thanks in advance, -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 13:18:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA031149884; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:18:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29582; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:15:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:12:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29253; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:12:41 -0400 Received: from perseus.ultra.net (perseus.ultra.net [199.232.56.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29198; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:12:21 -0400 Received: from kendall.chenoweth.net (chenoweth.ultranet.com [205.246.12.253]) by perseus.ultra.net (8.7.4/dae0.6) with SMTP id NAA22874 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:11:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kendall Chenoweth To: Thinkpfcc-ad Listserve Subject: 750 sound w/ wolfenstein3d Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a Thinkpad 750 running PC DOS 6.3 and I can play sounds from within Windows 3.1. I'm not sure what sound driver I'm using there (and I'm logged onto my LINUX harddrive so I cannot check now... sorry). I have Wolfenstein 3D for DOS and I would like to know how to get it to reconngize the software implementation of Soundblaster if possible. Kendall kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall 20 Eames Street, Apt #19 http://chenoweth.ultranet.com/ Framingham, MA 01704 (617) 440-3174 [work, voice] (508) 875-8098 [home] (617) 764-2378 [beeper] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 13:32:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA032680742; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:32:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01177; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:30:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00918; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:15 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00912; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:13 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id NAA05078; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:09 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755ce Dos Mwave use Nevermind... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I found the problem.. Thanks.... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 13:46:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA034431564; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:46:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02307; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:41:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02092; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:41:40 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02086; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:41:37 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA22043; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Kendall Chenoweth Cc: Thinkpfcc-ad Listserve Subject: Re: 750 sound w/ wolfenstein3d In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Kendall Chenoweth wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 750 running PC DOS 6.3 and I can play sounds from within > Windows 3.1. I'm not sure what sound driver I'm using there Crystal Semiconductor. Not sure of the model number. Otherwise, completely proprietary. > I have Wolfenstein > 3D for DOS and I would like to know how to get it to reconngize the software > implementation of Soundblaster if possible. The audio utility disk has a TSR which will emulate the soundblaster in software. It only worked for about half the programs I tried, but Wolf3D was one of them. It had a nasty tendency to cut out after 30 minutes or so of play, and it hung now and then. Music (using midi) is more robust than the sound effects (using SB). I did not try it under Windows - I booted straight DOS. Unfortunately, it really slows things down. Expect the music and sound effects to slow down the game or themselves. If you don't have the audio utility disk, you can ftp it from ftp.pcco.ibm.com in /pub/mobiles. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 14:19:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA039003567; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:19:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05674; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:17:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05334; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:04 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@Eisner.DECUS.Org [192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05318; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:15:02 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I9PD68F1PC003JES@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:14:39 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: 755ce Dos Mwave use In-Reply-To: Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <843243279.793497.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: > Windows works fine at 288 like it should but Dos apps don't seem to get > a responce from the modem. This is not in a dos window, booted directly > into dos. Have you issued the comand 'mwmodem on' and/or 'mwmodem 28800' ?? Not sure about the syntax of the second one - I have windows running right now and it won't let me try it through a dos box... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 15:24:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA050377465; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 15:24:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05083; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:11:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:09:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04804; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:09:11 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com (root@light.lightlink.com [205.232.34.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04746; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:08:56 -0400 Received: from stanton.lightlink.com (port27.lightlink.com [205.232.34.127]) by light.lightlink.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA28070 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:08:48 -0400 Message-Id: <3242DD12.3F99@palisade.com> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:06:11 -0400 From: Stanton Loh Reply-To: sloh@palisade.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 750c - sound in Win95? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Anyone successful in getting the sound to work in Win 95? The audio diskette only seems to contain a driver for DOS. -- ======================================================================== Stanton Loh Palisade Corporation mailto:sloh@palisade.com 31 Decker Road http://www.palisade.com Newfield, NY 14867 ======================================================================== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 16:56:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA061572976; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:56:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19733; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:52:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:48:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19311; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:48:03 -0400 Received: from druid.lanl.gov (root@druid.lanl.gov [128.165.114.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19297; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 16:47:51 -0400 Received: from lanl.gov (hgm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by druid.lanl.gov (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA18934 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:47:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199609202047.OAA18934@druid.lanl.gov> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: hgm@lanl.gov Subject: Re: XFree86 beta on 760ED, any hints? In-Reply-To: <199609161314.JAA11243@saturn> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 14:47:47 -0600 From: "Harry G. McGavran Jr." On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 09:14:33 -0400 Don Russell wrote: > > > >>>> I've tried XFree86 312E, F, and G, but still cannot get it work on a > >>>> Thinkpad 760ED directly. All I got is some black/white vertical bars. > >>>> Pressing Fn-F7 (one or many times) doesn't help. > > I had the same problem when moving from a 760C to a 760E. I could make it work by > toggling Fn-F7, but that was messy. I am running Xfree 3.1.2G and Linux 2. 0.19 > > The real fix was to get better timing values in my XF86Config file. The wo rking > numbers for me are: > > ModeLine "800x600" 31.5 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 > > This allows we to start X cleanly and also to switch back and forth betwee n > X and text virtual consoles, which never worked right before. > > -- > +------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > | Don Russell | Internet: djr@mr.picker.com | > | Picker International | Voice: (216)-473-5726 | > | 5500 Avion Park Drive | Fax: (216) 473-5728 | > | Highland Heights, Ohio 44143 | | > +------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > > I'm in the same situation -- the Modeline above doesn't work either; vertical bars no matter what timing I try. I'm using 3.1.2G and Linux 2.0.0 Does any one have a working XF86Config for a 760ED???????? -- Harry Internet e-mail: hgm@lanl.gov (Harry G. McGavran, Jr.) Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545 Phone: 505/667-4050 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 20 21:16:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091448614; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:16:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08007; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:16:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:12:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07728; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:12:49 -0400 Received: from moistmaster (bobz@dial213.skypoint.net [199.86.33.213]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07722; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:12:46 -0400 Received: (from bobz@localhost) by moistmaster (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA00803 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:09:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:09:10 -0500 From: Bob Message-Id: <199609210109.UAA00803@moistmaster> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mwave modem under Linux? Forwarding: Mail from 'Mail Delivery Subsystem ' dated: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:07:55 -0500 Has anyone had success getting the 755CD's (or similar model's) MWAVE modem to function under Linux? If so, I'm very interested in hearing your story. I'm having zero luck under kernel 2.0.20. -- Bob Zimbinski bobz@skypoint.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 01:21:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA113683304; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:21:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23270; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:21:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:14:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22829; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:14:33 -0400 Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22823; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:14:31 -0400 Received: from [129.10.176.123] ([129.10.176.123]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA12058 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:14:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: dnb@mail.ccs.neu.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199609202047.OAA18934@druid.lanl.gov> References: <199609161314.JAA11243@saturn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:00:58 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "David N. Blank-Edelman" Subject: 701C/560D suspend/resume happy ending -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Howdy- Many moons ago I troubled the esteemed members of this list because my 701C was having problems coming out of suspend mode in Win95 (it would hang and force me to kill msgsrv32). I wound up spending considerable amount of time on the phone both to IBM (less than helpful, eventually wanted me to pay $35) and Microsoft. Not even the Borg could solve my problem. They finally came up with a workaround (removing all power management drivers--power.drv & *vpowerd from system.ini). I eventually became resigned to the notion I would have to live without APM and just use the BIOS suspend/resume mode. Recently my boss' new 560D started having the same problem. Since it came pre-loaded with Win95, I thought that maybe IBM would be more willing to deal with the problem (or more experienced), since it felt like an icky BIOS incompatability. IBM's first level of support was really annoying (lack of knowledge, lack of experience, etc). Eventually I got punted over to OS, where I waited on hold for that engineer to chat with his "Lead Product Support" engineer (i.e. the people who have full-fledged clues, I guess). He eventually came back with something that lead me to the right answer. He suggested that the problem was actually with my Xircom Ethernet+Modem 28.8 adapter driver. He was told that the drivers might not have been 32-bit, and hence failed to reinit the card after a suspend. He recommended I talk to Xircom. This information seemed to be heading close to the mark since Xircom drivers are one of the shared traits between my 701C and this new 560. I downloaded new drivers (just released 8-26-96) for both models of cards (I have a IIps) from their web site (www.xircom.com) and installed them with some skepticism. The install/debug directions on the Xircom site are actually quite good. Much jubilation resulted when this fixed the problem on the 560. I just installed a new driver on the 701C (tip:you may need the Win95 CD or floppy distribution you used for install in addition to the driver you download) and it is working like a champ. Moral of story: If you have problems with resuming from suspend mode and use a Xircom net/modem card, you may wish to try installing the new drivers. It made my day, and it may make yours. Peace, dNb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMkN2czVY18Ov2TldAQHLHgQAlg9hspclbrRcLKepsJcz9maJj1fz6PoP NOm/Wvl4IQbmrxEH5FOmNEIEANW0zoupe1URNGuVdcaO0KAYL2kTC4IiCdNb5hS3 zbYBvD8RN3BHv6Df7mjDVpZBFyXdjtXixaYakYjQSjVxRl9BKe94zMY448+MFFaK lJnvAgbogqU= =3rCi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 01:44:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA115734646; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:44:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24416; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:42:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24289; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:42:10 -0400 Received: from mailhost1.primenet.com (mailhost1.primenet.com [206.165.5.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24276; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 01:42:05 -0400 Received: from primenet.com (root@mailhost01.primenet.com [206.165.5.52]) by mailhost1.primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.1) with ESMTP id WAA01375 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:42:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip242.lax.primenet.com (ip242.lax.primenet.com [204.212.59.242]) by primenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA17495 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:41:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199609210541.WAA17495@primenet.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Paul Bogrow" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:42:01 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Laplink-like software advice? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42a) For a 701C, could someone recommend shareware (or commercial software) to transmit files between a laptop and a desktop? If I don't use the modem at the same time, can I use COM1: for this purpose? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 12:29:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA167583379; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:29:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10004; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:28:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:21:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09447; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:21:04 -0400 Received: from hincks.physics.carleton.ca (hincks.physics.carleton.ca [134.117.14.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09440; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:21:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:20:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: GODFREY@physics.carleton.ca Message-Id: <960921122059.20202c48@physics.carleton.ca> Subject: Toshiba HD in thinkpads From: HEPCU::GODFREY "STEVE GODFREY, (613) 788-4386" 20-SEP-1996 14:40:04.14 To: SMTP%"owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU" CC: GODFREY Subj: Toshiba HD in thinkpads Does anybody know if you can put toshiba drives into a thinkpad 755Cs and what the procedure is? The cost difference between toshiba's and IBM drives is beyond my means right now. There used to be a thinkpad home page somebody was maintaining with this information. Does it still exist? Thanks in advance Steve Godfrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 12:29:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA167613384; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:29:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10000; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:28:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:20:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09362; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:20:17 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09356; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 12:20:15 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA12568; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:20:09 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:20:09 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199609211620.JAA12568@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Laplink-like software advice? For a 701C, could someone recommend shareware (or commercial software) to transmit files between a laptop and a desktop? My favorite for this purpose (assuming you're using dos/windoze) is the Interlnk/intersvr utility that comes with dos 6. I'm not sure if it's still included with w95 but w95 probably has something comparable otherwise. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 13:29:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA172896980; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:29:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13253; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:29:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:25:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12978; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:25:00 -0400 Received: from mail2.wilmington.net (mail2.wilmington.net [199.72.95.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12964; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:24:51 -0400 Received: from pdial104.wisedial.wilmington.net (pdial104.wisedial.wilmington.net [199.72.96.104]) by mail2.wilmington.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18305; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:24:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199609211724.NAA18305@mail2.wilmington.net> From: "Phillip C. Wolf" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Paul Bogrow" Cc: "eeyore@eey.org" Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 13:24:50 Reply-To: "Phillip C. Wolf" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Phillip Wolf's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Laplink-like software advice? On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:42:01 -0700, Paul Bogrow wrote: >For a 701C, could someone recommend shareware (or commercial >software) to transmit files between a laptop and a desktop? > >If I don't use the modem at the same time, can I use COM1: for this >purpose? I use a program called RSM Os2You, since a client version was included with the Merlin beta. It will not only transfer files, it will *RUN* DOS, Win, or Warp programs on the remote. You can open, start, close files, even re-boot the remote desktop. Both Client and Server programs are included with two station license. About $125. pcwolf philosopher-at-large beautiful Wilmington NC 701CS with OS2 Warp From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 14:44:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA179171463; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:44:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17280; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:43:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:41:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16939; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:41:12 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16925; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:41:08 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (bass-33.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.97]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA14985 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b16.32.19960921113639.006fd454@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b16 (32) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:40:51 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Laplink-like software advice? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 10:42 PM 9/20/96 -0700, Paul Bogrow wrote: >For a 701C, could someone recommend shareware (or commercial >software) to transmit files between a laptop and a desktop? > >If I don't use the modem at the same time, can I use COM1: for this >purpose? In win95, I use the built-in direct cable connection over a parallel cable (faster than com1). It works great, it lets you use the explorer from the guest machine to browse around/move/copy/delete files on the host machine, as though it were on a network (which I guess, it kindof is). _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 21 21:29:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA221535771; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:29:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09007; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:28:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08717; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:25:02 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08708; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:24:59 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA06650 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA60055; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:25:26 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 21:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: More on Enhanced video/755cd Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I tried out a hunch and downloaded the enhanced video drivers for win95 for the 760CD to try out on my 755CD. The video capture card on both of them is the V7320 so I figured they might work. And in fact they do, and it gives you an additional feature, an MCI overlay driver which you can use from win95 media player that gives you a video in window that you can resize dynamically by just clicking on the corners and stretching it. There is one caveat however, for some reason you must use your original V7320APM.EXE driver that is loaded in you config.sys, so before you install these drivers make a copy of v7320apm.exe under a different name then copy it back. If you use the one that comes with the 760cd disk, then the video input window will not work after resuming from suspend mode if it was open when you went into suspend mode. The file to get from the IBM ftp site is vetpfw95.exe. Perhaps if someone from IBM is reading this they could change the files on the ftp site so that at least the mci overlay driver is included with 755cd dtiver diskette. The changes the vetpfw95.exe file will make to your config files are as follows: config.sys: replaces v7320apm.exe and v7320mgr.exe system.ini: in [boot] on drivers= adds c:\v7320\v7320pnl.dll in [386enh] replaces v7320.386 with new version in [drivers] replaces v7320cap.drv and v7320rdr.drv with .dll versions in [MCI] ads Overlay=v7320ovl.dll Remember for it to work properly (this was my experience) with suspend/resume you must use your old v7320apm.exe in config.sys, all the other files you can let it overwrite. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 22 03:11:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250046263; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:11:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19408; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:35:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:33:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19249; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:33:07 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19243; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:33:04 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-10.rust.net [206.42.195.110]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA22486; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960922053307.00740e10@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 01:33:07 -0400 To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Laplink-like software advice? At 09:20 AM 9/21/96 -0700, you wrote: > For a 701C, could someone recommend shareware (or commercial > software) to transmit files between a laptop and a desktop? > >My favorite for this purpose (assuming you're using dos/windoze) >is the Interlnk/intersvr utility that comes with dos 6. I'm not >sure if it's still included with w95 but w95 probably has >something comparable otherwise. > Win95 has "direct connect" which comes with it. Just hookup the serial ports together and go. Or you can download the IR port driver software from www.microsoft.com/windows and you can do it wireless with a $55 Adaptec, Airport 2000 desktop unit. I move files all the time this way. Some day I'll get around to figuring how to use "Brief Case". If you have Win31 then it's Puma's Tranxit for IR or cable. I think Win95 would be cheaper... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 22 03:16:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA250306608; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 03:16:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16942; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:39:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:36:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16782; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:36:39 -0400 Received: from Fe3.rust.net (Fe3.rust.net [204.157.12.254]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16768; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:36:25 -0400 Received: from Rust.net (liv-10.rust.net [206.42.195.110]) by Fe3.rust.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA20995; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960922043621.006f8704@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:36:21 -0400 To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Bryan Subject: Re: Win95+Win311 on 701 At 10:38 AM 9/19/96 -0400, you wrote: > > >Hello, > >Has anyone here had Win95 and Win311 co-exist on a 701 (Butterfly) ? > >If yes, how did you install the Win95 on top of the factory installed >IBM PC-DOS 6.3 + Win311 without removing those ? > >Any comments/suggestions/advise ? > >Thanks in advance, >Arifi > >-- >Arifi Koseoglu >arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu > Since you have a 701 like myself, your probably not swimming in drive space. Win 95 runs so well on the 701, that keeping 3.11 seems foolish. You did ask for advise... B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI - www.rust.net/~billb Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three ere the other side he see." Bridgekeeper, Holy Grail =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 22 14:18:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA005526310; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:18:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02846; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:07:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02215; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:07:05 -0400 Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02209; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:07:00 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.167.214]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27319 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBA88F.4486DF60@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com>; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:06:36 -0400 Message-Id: <01BBA88F.4486DF60@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> From: Mark Rees To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Motorola Montana PC Card Experience Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:58:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are some experiences getting the Thinkpad Cellular capable... I very recently purchased on of the new IBM Thinkpad 560's (120mhz), = with a Motorola Montana 28.8 modem (cellular ready) and 10baseT net = card. As I was trying to get totally self-sufficient, I went out and = bought a Motorola MicroTAC Elite cell phone. After I got both, I = discovered that I had to buy another cable to hook the "cellular ready" = modem to the "modem ready" cell phone. No one at any local store had = any clue what I needed to hook the two up. They tried to sell me a = "box"-like thing to do it. Finally I go the number of Motorola direct = PCCard sales and ordered the required cable $60, overnight. Overnight, = turned into being two-day air. At the end of the second day, I called = back and asked where the cable was, they had no idea. They have = recently gone to an automated fulfillment system, and it was having = "difficulty". They could not tell me if it even shipped, much less give = me a tracking number. They suggested I order another one Fed-x priority = overnight to ensure that I got it before my out-of-town trip. They = promised to hand deliver it to the warehouse, hand-pick it from = inventory, and put it in overnight guaranteed. I let them do this and = got it the next morning. The next morning, a few hours before my plane left, I wanted to try = everything out. I opened the cable, installed the software, then = discovered that the PC Card that I bought the week before had a serial = number which was 100,000's less than that required to operate correctly. = What the instructions told me to do was fax in a new order for an = exchange. The problem, I was told, was one of FCC compliance, and that = it would still work-provided I did three things: Loaded the new = software included with the cable, downloaded a newer patch from their = site, and followed a complicated and lengthy and manual = installation-correction sheet. After doing all three, I was unable to = get anything working. I then proceeded to spend the next 3 hours on the = phone with Motorola, then vendor where I purchased the Thinkpad, IBM, = and Microsoft. Motorola eventually got the modem working again, but = during the process I lost the ability of the card to communicate on the = network. Motorola was totally unable to get this problem resolved. IBM = wanted about $120 to fix it. Only Microsoft (for $35) was able to solve = this problem. Now, after the fact, I have also learned that I can only get speeds up = to 9600 baud, and I have to have separate modem settings for land-lines = and cellular connections. I don't know if I would try this again. Why = is everything so complicated? FYI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 22 14:18:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA005566312; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:18:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02855; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:17:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:06:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02176; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:06:12 -0400 Received: from answerman.mindspring.com (answerman.mindspring.com [204.180.128.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02134; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:05:37 -0400 Received: from user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com (user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.167.214]) by answerman.mindspring.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27232 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBA88F.17697EC0@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com>; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:05:20 -0400 Message-Id: <01BBA88F.17697EC0@user-168-121-167-214.dialup.mindspring.com> From: Mark Rees To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: How to unsubscribe? Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 12:13:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am out of the country at the moment and getting to much mail. How do = I temporarily un-subscribe? ( I don't have the majordomo address..) = Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 22 21:04:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA042220695; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:04:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27762; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:02:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:58:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27235; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:58:50 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27228; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:58:47 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA04570 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:58:39 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 00:58:39 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 20:56:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: Paul Bogrow Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Laplink-like software advice? In-Reply-To: <199609210541.WAA17495@primenet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The 701 I have came with a program call TRANXIT that will do the PC-to-PC transfer once you get a cable to hook up the respective parallel ports (it's the same cable used for LapLink and I belive it's also called a null modem cable). I used it once a coupla months ago and was relatively painless to used but I don't recall the specifics. It did do a good job. On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Paul Bogrow wrote: > For a 701C, could someone recommend shareware (or commercial > software) to transmit files between a laptop and a desktop? > > If I don't use the modem at the same time, can I use COM1: for this > purpose? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 22 22:02:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA048364177; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:02:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01981; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:02:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:00:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01782; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 22:00:05 -0400 Received: from mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (mail.Herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01749; Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:59:59 -0400 Received: from zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (baiti@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de [194.163.121.100]) by mail.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA25224 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 03:57:02 +0200 Received: (from baiti@localhost) by zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA01298 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 03:01:48 +0200 From: Friedemann Baitinger Message-Id: <199609230101.DAA01298@zenon.herrenberg.netsurf.de> Subject: TP 760ED: PCMCIA NE2000 problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing-List) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 03:01:48 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i have a TP 760ED and a NE2000 compatible PCMCIA ethernet card. the card works nicely under linux but i can't get it working on win95. the user's manual for the card says the following: ================ .. .. Please do the following to implement your PCMCIA Ethernet Adpater under Windows 95. 1) Insert the PCMCIA Ethernet Adapter into the Type II socket on the system following the instructions in the manual shipped with the card.^M 2) When the "New Hardware Found" panel appears during Windows 95 start- up, choose "Select from a list of alternate drivers" and then OK. 3) When "Select Hardware Type" panel is displayed, select "Network Adapters" and then OK. 4) When "Select Device" panel appears, choose "Novell/Anthem" to be the manufacturer and "NE2000 Compatible" to be the model, and then select OK. The system will copy the required system files. .. .. ================= as soon as the drivers are installed, the system hangs completely. i have to power off/on the system to recover. in many cases the hang also causes the FAT to be corrupted. in one instance CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT were gone, in another instance a whole series of TCP/IP related .vxd files were corrupted. if i boot without the card plugged, the system comes up, however, the device manager doesn't show the newly configured card either. as a consequence, i cannot even check and find out what resources have been assigned to the card. if i plug the card while win95 is up and running, it immediately hangs as described above: catch-22 time. i'd easily blame the card, after all it is a $100 card, however, as i mentioned above it workes just fine with linux on the very same machine on which it fails with win95. any ideas? -- Friedemann Baitinger baiti@herrenberg.netsurf.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 23 12:55:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA129737734; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:55:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16533; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:52:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:43:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15678; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:43:45 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15667; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:43:37 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id JAA24102 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:42:08 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:45:18 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: My RAM upgrade Hi, I posted about having some problems with my RAM upgrade, but all my problems are fixed. I have a TP755CD (pentium), which now has 40 MB of RAM! I just thought I'd share my good fortune with the rest of the list... I purchased a 32 Meg ICDRAM card for $296 from Admor memory in Anaheim, California. If anyone is interested, I will post the phone # (I'm not at my office now so I don't have it right now). -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 23 13:44:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA138290653; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:44:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20482; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:42:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:40:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20265; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:40:25 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20248; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:40:20 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (also-56.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.9.120]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.Beta.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA20168 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0b16.32.19960923103603.0072a03c@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b16 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:40:06 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: win95 briefcase (was: Re: Laplink-like software advice?) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 01:33 AM 9/22/96 -0400, Bill Bryan wrote: >Win95 has "direct connect" which comes with it. Just hookup the serial >ports together and go. Or you can download the IR port driver software from >www.microsoft.com/windows and you can do it wireless with a $55 Adaptec, >Airport 2000 desktop unit. Sounds cool.. I'll have to get one when I get my next thinkpad (no IR now) >I move files all the time this way. Some day >I'll get around to figuring how to use "Brief Case". If you have Win31 then >it's Puma's Tranxit for IR or cable. I think Win95 would be cheaper... I've got it working, with one complaint (the performance). I have about 100MB of data that I keep sync'ed.. all my projects, email, etc.. I consider it a backup, since I generally sync at least once a day. It takes a few minutes. Here's how I did it: . created a /usr directory on my desktop computer and moved EVERYTHING I want syncronized into it.. /usr/app/eudora, /usr/work/word, /usr/work/java, etc. . created a new briefcase on my desktop, named it "usr". . dragged all the subdirs in /usr to the new briefcase. . hooked up direct cable connection, thinkpad is host. . moved "usr" briefcase to the c:\ of my thinkpad. To sync, I connect up and from my desktop, right click the "usr" briefcase on my thinkpad, and choose "update all", then go for coffee.. the briefcase is VERY slow when it's full. One more gotcha is that the first time you open up the briefcase on the thinkpad, it will hang the explorer (which includes the desktop) for a few minutes while it loads (only because mine is so full).. my usual routine is to turn on the thinkpad, start dialup networking, start up the programs I plan to use, then open the briefcase (explorer hanging doesn't affect any other programs). _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 23 13:50:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA138931031; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:50:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21053; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:48:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:46:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20853; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:46:37 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20847; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:46:35 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-f-40.usc.edu [128.125.223.112]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id KAA10027; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960923174642.007625a8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 10:46:42 -0700 To: From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: My RAM upgrade Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 09:45 AM 9/23/96 -0800, mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu wrote: >Hi, > >I posted about having some problems with my RAM upgrade, but all my >problems are fixed. I have a TP755CD (pentium), which now has 40 MB of >RAM! I just thought I'd share my good fortune with the rest of the list... >I purchased a 32 Meg ICDRAM card for $296 from Admor memory in Anaheim, >California. If anyone is interested, I will post the phone # (I'm not at >my office now so I don't have it right now). > >-Mike > > > > ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 23 14:32:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA146193559; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:32:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24555; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:30:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:20:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23583; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:20:06 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23557; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 14:19:48 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id LAA27787; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:16:38 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:19:59 -0800 To: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: My RAM upgrade Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >At 09:45 AM 9/23/96 -0800, mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu wrote: >>Hi, >> >>I posted about having some problems with my RAM upgrade, but all my >>problems are fixed. I have a TP755CD (pentium), which now has 40 MB of >>RAM! I just thought I'd share my good fortune with the rest of the list... >>I purchased a 32 Meg ICDRAM card for $296 from Admor memory in Anaheim, >>California. If anyone is interested, I will post the phone # (I'm not at >>my office now so I don't have it right now). >> >>-Mike > > Good price! Who's the manufacturer? > >------- >Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net >USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Admor produces their own RAM... The Phone # is (800) 213-2231. This was the cheapest place I found and I called ALOT of places. If you are interested, you might want to speak with Mike Kelly at x126. He was very helpful. -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 23 16:29:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA162890548; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:29:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04728; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:26:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:22:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04213; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:22:14 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04191; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:22:05 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA191721; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:21:35 GMT Received: from slip166-72-133-94.tx.us.ibm.net(166.72.133.94) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smasu8Dmb; Mon Sep 23 20:15:41 1996 Received: by slip166-72-133-94.tx.us.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0046; Mon, 23 Sep 96 01:15:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9609230815.AA0046@slip166-72-133-94.tx.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 96 01:13:38 To: mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: My RAM upgrade X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <45_119_1_843455618> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to know if there is anyone out there who has put a 32 meg SIMM into their 701 ThinkPad. Lee ||-------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net || || "Treat people in your debt like family, exploit them" || || 63rd Frengi Rule of Acquisition || ||-------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 01:08:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA287701721; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:08:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12019; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11694; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:01:23 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11688; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:01:18 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-06.usc.edu [128.125.224.78]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id WAA18908; Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960924050146.006b14cc@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:01:46 -0700 To: jesse montrose From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: win95 briefcase (was: Re: Laplink-like software advice?) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 10:40 AM 9/23/96 -0700, jesse montrose wrote: >>I move files all the time this way. Some day >>I'll get around to figuring how to use "Brief Case". If you have Win31 then >>it's Puma's Tranxit for IR or cable. I think Win95 would be cheaper... > >I've got it working, with one complaint (the performance). I have about >100MB of data that I keep sync'ed.. all my projects, email, etc.. I >consider it a backup, since I generally sync at least once a day. It takes >a few minutes. I've stayed out of this to see all the neat/creative/inexpensive solutions people came up with, but now that seems to have come to a head, let me state the obvious: LapLink for Win 95. I used to use a little DOS program called "FastLynx" that did all this wonderfully, but since Win 95 added long filenames, etc. I bought LapLink 7.0 (for Win 95) and I have not been the slightest bit disappointed--its VERY good. Works over cables, IR (though I can't get the IR to work on the 701, but fine on the 560), Ethernet (IPX, TCP/IP), etc. Does a great job of syncing, and its a lot faster than the "briefcase" thing. Anyway, it ain't free--costs about $100 or so, but well worth the $$$ in my opinion. And to top it all off, it gives you remote access capability over phone/modem, ethernet, and even the internet (and by cable). Its *really* great. Anyway, all this other stuff has its advantages (inexpensive/free, small, etc.), but overall, I highly recommend LapLink--I wouldn't settle for anything less, now that I've had a taste of how great it is. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 07:48:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA022635699; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:48:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17811; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:47:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:43:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17461; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:43:09 -0400 Received: from brickell.bridge.net (root@brickell.bridge.net [204.253.4.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17455; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:43:06 -0400 Received: from newworld.bridge.net (newworld.bridge.net [204.253.4.4]) by brickell.bridge.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24430 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:42:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 07:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Whiteside To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Bye bye Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just wanted to say I'm unsubscribing from the Thinkpad mailing list. My 750 is now mostly unused and my circumstances have changed so that I no longer need a laptop, so it won't be replaced any time soon. Reading the messages from here has become such a low priority that most of them end up deleted unread. Not a reflection on the quality, but rather my need for the information. It's been a lot of fun, and this has been the most useful source of information I've had on my thinkpad, bar none. Keep on truckin. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 12:59:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA063434355; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:59:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17196; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:55:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:48:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16591; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:48:41 -0400 Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16579; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:48:35 -0400 Received: from [129.105.76.29] by merle.acns.nwu.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170293705; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:48:25 -0500 X-Sender: bberry@merle.acns.nwu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:48:24 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Berry Subject: Linux on the 365xx? Hi, Just got my TP yesterday (sold my PowerBook to get it...). I have a 365XD and I want to run Linux on it. Has anyone on this list successfully run Linux on the 365 series? (and which distribution?) Any advice? Any pointers to specific 365 series info? (I already have info on the ThinkPad in general.) T'anks in advance. Bill Berry. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 14:23:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA073959414; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:23:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24007; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:20:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:15:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23430; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:15:33 -0400 Received: from relay.acadiau.ca (relay.acadiau.ca [131.162.2.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23420; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:15:29 -0400 Received: from notebook.acadiau.ca ([131.162.151.42]) by relay.acadiau.ca with SMTP id AA14441 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:15:06 -0300 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960924181553.00672264@Axe3.Acadiau.CA> X-Sender: 025668b.student.acadia@Axe3.Acadiau.CA X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:15:53 -0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Rocky Burt <025668b@Axe.Acadiau.CA> Subject: IR stuff for 365ED I've been trying to get the IR serial communications stuff to work with Win95, such as file transfer between 365ED's, any ideas? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 16:32:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA091677155; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:32:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18197; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:07:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:05:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17981; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:05:30 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (root@aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17975; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:05:26 -0400 Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (ssh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA06679; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:07:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199609241707.LAA06679@aspen.wwsi.com> To: Bill Berry Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on the 365xx? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:48:24 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:07:42 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist You should be able to run any distribution on the 365. I'd load Rembrandt from the Red Hat site using FTP. It worked great on my 755CX. ssh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 17:04:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA095679042; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:04:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08067; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:00:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07641; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:00:18 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07627; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:00:14 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA23208; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:59:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:59:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Toshiba Hard Drives Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I know some of you have Toshiba hard drives in your ThinkPads. Well my drive arrived today. The new 810MB will be replacing the 170MB drive that came with my 750P, IF I can figure out how to do it. (It came with no caddy.) Does anyone have a document laying about that you could mail? I'd truly appreciate it. Chris S From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 17:14:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA096839652; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:14:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09331; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:13:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:12:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09177; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:12:31 -0400 Received: from balder-int.ssds.com (balder.ssds.com [204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09170; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:12:25 -0400 Received: by balder-int.ssds.com; id AA14994; Tue, 24 Sep 96 15:11:08 MDT Received: from denver.ssds.com(134.127.16.1) by balder.ssds.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma014981; Tue, 24 Sep 96 15:10:49 -0600 Received: by denver.ssds.com id PAA22779; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:11:21 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Harddrives for 755CE Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:09:17 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <32484d9d.82557863@denver.ssds.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sorry about this, but I am in a time crunch. Who knows of a source cheaper than Road Warrior for 2.1 GB drives for 755CE's? Can the CE take a 19mm drive, or is a 12mm drive required? Also, any source for aftermarket caddys? Lastly - will I need to make bios changes to use a 2.1 GB drive? -=Chris -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 18:18:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA105553506; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:18:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14923; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:17:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:15:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14742; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:15:28 -0400 Received: from bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (root@[199.185.130.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14733; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:15:24 -0400 Received: from lnichols (remote56.compusmart.ab.ca [199.185.131.66]) by bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (8.7.4/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA10577 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:17:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199609250017.SAA10577@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca> From: "Lance Nichols" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: IBM HDD for 701 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:16:29 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi I am running an TP 701CS and have been hearing that the Toshiba 1.3 GB drive works in these machines... Does anyone have data on what, if any setting changes I have to make to the drive? I have a new Hot Swap tray for the drive, so that part is not a problem. I guess I need to hear from someone who has done this already. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 18:40:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA108524820; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:40:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16453; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:39:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:38:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16339; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:38:34 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16326; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:38:30 -0400 From: Received: from [128.115.186.237] (fukatsu-mac.llnl.gov [128.115.186.237]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id PAA28435 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:38:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:41:27 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RAM stuff I wrote about buying my 32Meg ICDRAM for my TP755CD for $296... The company is called Admor Memory, their # is (800)213-2231. Ask for Mike Kelly at x126. I just spoke to him today however and there may be bad news. He said that the market is going crazy today and RAM prices are shooting back up. Pretty Scary... -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 19:31:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA114737912; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:31:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19293; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:31:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:29:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19048; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:29:13 -0400 Received: from post.aecom.yu.edu (post.aecom.yu.edu [129.98.1.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19041; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:29:07 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu (yu1.yu.edu [129.98.200.100]) by post.aecom.yu.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA12649 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA47294; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:29:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:29:09 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinof) Message-Id: <9609242329.AA47294@yu1.yu.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Using Mwave in foreign country A friend of mine just went to the Netherlands with his thinkpad 755ce and he can't get his mwave modem to work over there. It just refuses to dial even if he enters ATX1 in the modem initialization so it doesn't detect dial tone. He did change the country selection to the Netherlands. I seem to recall this being discussed before but I don't remember what solution, if any, was offered, short of buying an additional DAA for each country. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 20:32:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA124171519; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:31:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22948; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:31:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22691; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:28:54 -0400 Received: from mail11.digital.com (mail11.digital.com [192.208.46.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22683; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:28:48 -0400 Received: from dasexc1.das.dec.com by mail11.digital.com (8.7.5/UNX 1.2/1.0/WV) id UAA03224; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dasexc1.das.dec.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BBAA56.80514620@dasexc1.das.dec.com>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:25:17 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gary Henry To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Disk shell for 760 series machines Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:23:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: I am looking for a source for a disk shell for 760 Machines. I have a bare drive that I would like to use but I cannot find a source for the shell (I can find a source for the 755 shell's but the 760's are different) Does anyone have a crashed hard drive, or know where I can an empty one? Thanks Gary Henry Sr. Network Consultant Cincinnati, OH 45242 henryg@mail.dec.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Sep 24 21:49:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA131916183; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:49:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27279; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:48:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:45:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27026; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:45:48 -0400 Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27020; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:45:45 -0400 From: Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA05087 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:45:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:45:11 -0400 Message-Id: <960924214510_316747757@emout14.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Harddrives for 755CE The TP755CE will take a full 2.1gb 19mm Hard Drive. We have Hard Drive ShipKits that come complete with HDD caddies for your system and step-by-step illustrated installation instructions for your paticular notebook. I think that when you add up the totals, we are extremely competetive with the other companies out there. Please contact me if you need any other information. Best Regards, Michael email: pepsale2@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 2.1GB in your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com/pep ========Original Message======== Subj: Harddrives for 755CE Date: 96-09-24 17:21:20 EDT From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Reply-to: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sorry about this, but I am in a time crunch. Who knows of a source cheaper than Road Warrior for 2.1 GB drives for 755CE's? Can the CE take a 19mm drive, or is a 12mm drive required? Also, any source for aftermarket caddys? Lastly - will I need to make bios changes to use a 2.1 GB drive? -=Chris -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 01:21:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA159558879; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:21:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08898; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:20:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:16:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08565; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:16:39 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08559; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:16:37 -0400 Received: from miles ([165.238.133.52]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA17898; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 05:16:11 +0000 From: "Dan Miles" To: "Lance Nichols" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: IBM HDD for 701 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:16:15 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19960925051609.AAA17898@miles> Where did you get the "Hot Swap" tray? Dan Miles > From: Lance Nichols > Hi I am running an TP 701CS and have been hearing that the Toshiba 1.3 GB > drive works in these machines... Does anyone have data on what, if any > setting changes I have to make to the drive? > > I have a new Hot Swap tray for the drive, so that part is not a problem. I > guess I need to hear from someone who has done this already. > > Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 01:30:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA160759456; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:30:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09504; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:30:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:29:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09336; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:29:38 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09330; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:29:35 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id AAA19578; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:28:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:28:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installation story Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's now 12:13 on Wednesday morning. Today at work, I got a Toshiba 810MB hard disk and Windows 95, so I was very eager to get them running. I got home, backed up all the important data on my lowly 170MB disk (onto floppies - ugh). Then I set about installing the hard disk. I pulled out the old one, and after examining it carefully, I pulled back the sticker over the part near the clamp that holds it in place. I removed the two screws there, and the case snapped apart with just a little prying. Nothing broke - no sonic bonds or plastic tabs. The Toshiba drive is a bit thinner than the IBM drive, but it went right into the caddy (just checking now, it is hard to get the security tab out, but I have never used that, and you can get it out with some effort). The tricky part was the short adapter cable. The IBM drive pin array has an extra set of two non-pins on one end (if you've looked, you know what I mean), so I assumed that the Toshiba drive connected with those pins empty, and I was right. I used the BIOS disk test to give the drive a whirl, and after minor anxiety attacks and whirring sounds, the drive passed. The drive is noticably louder than the IBM, but not annoyingly so. The next step was to install Windows 95 upgrade from scratch. Well of course you can't do that, so I installed a bare DOS setup with the DOS 6.1 disks that came with the machine (ah yes, the good old days). I then started the setup, and after three disks (I bought the 3.5" version), it asked for a qualifying product. I popped in the disk labelled IBM WINDOWS 3.1 (gotta love that) and away it went, but very slowly for the remainder of the 13 disks. Using the TPWIN95.TXT file from the ftp site, I went back and saw that the latest version of the BIOS I have on floppy is 1.20. Oops! They recommend 1.41 or later, and I will do that, because after a suspend, any keypress locks the system for the better portion of a minute. I then installed the VESA driver from the Video Features disk. 1024x768x256 colors like a champ. Next was ThinkPad Features - Fuel, video, suspend settings... no problems. Next was PCMCIA. I got the Windows 95 versions running just fine, but they do not light the PC Card LED. (Any hints?) I also installed the Audio 1.31, even though I prefer the lean mean 1.0 version. It was strange seeing a help message that said "If you are installing an audio device driver on you IBM ThinkPad, you may have to install it twice." It was right. There's a suspend command on the start menu. Seems to work just like Fn4. The Toshiba drive is a great product... even with no manual. I'm surprised Quantum and Micropolis aren't jumping into this market. Windows 95 is very slow, as one would expect with 4MB of RAM. My 16MB card is on back-order. Any questions? Chris (Now if I can only install the pen driver, I'll be set!) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 10:54:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA211843285; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:54:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29046; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:51:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:45:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28387; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:45:23 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28373; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:45:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-h-17.usc.edu [128.125.224.17]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id HAA05928; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960925144528.00c39a14@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 07:45:28 -0700 To: Chris Schumann From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Installation story Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:28 AM 9/25/96 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >Today at work, I got a Toshiba 810MB hard disk and Windows 95, so I was Thanks for sharing your story. I think whenever I upgrade my 560's hard drive (maybe never?) I'll follow your lead on the methodology (though thankfully I have a tape drive--at some point I'll just restore from tape). >Windows 95 is very slow, as one would expect with 4MB of RAM. My 16MB >card is on back-order. "slow" has GOT to be an understatement! 8 MB of RAM with Win 95 is slow! I can't imagine trying to live with 4 MB! I read somewhere that Win 95 in the raw--no fancy stuff added in--actually takes up 14 MB of RAM (or RAM/Swapfile combo) just to boot up and sit there. The difference between 8 MB and 16 MB is like night & day--and if you load a few programs simultaneously, the difference between 16 and some higher number (24 to 32 or more) is similar (though not as pronounced). Good luck Chris! I hope you get the memory card soon...! ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 12:46:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA234189995; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:46:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10293; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:45:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:40:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09776; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:40:13 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09763; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:40:06 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Sep96-1023AM) id AA04485; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:39:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: Chris Schumann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installation story In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Chris Schumann wrote: > The Toshiba drive is a great product... even with no manual. I'm > surprised Quantum and Micropolis aren't jumping into this market. > > Any questions? > > Chris > Yeah, just a minor question from this side of the room: Which Thinkpad do you have?! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 13:10:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA238961409; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:10:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12359; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:08:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12019; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:04:10 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12010; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:04:05 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA20295; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:03:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 12:03:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: Stephen Mosley Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installation story In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry! I have a ThinkPad 750P. 16MB RAM is on the way as well. I did have to do some serious man-handling of the drive connector because of the different offset of the pins to the case WRT the IBM drive. The operation is not for the squeamish. I was pleasantly surprised that no BIOS setup was required after swapping drives - the computer just used the thing. I also wrote that the drive is louder. Well it is louder during use, but it is more quiet than the IBM drive when idling. It also makes a click a couple seconds after use as if parking the head without spinning down. A question I should know the answer to: Is it possible to start Win95 on my monitor (at 1024x768), then unplug the monitor and have it switch to 640x480 without restarting? Chris On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Stephen Mosley wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, Chris Schumann wrote: > > The Toshiba drive is a great product... even with no manual. I'm > > surprised Quantum and Micropolis aren't jumping into this market. > > > > Any questions? > Yeah, just a minor question from this side of the room: Which Thinkpad do > you have?! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 14:59:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA260657985; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:59:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22353; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:57:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:53:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22007; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:53:00 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21996; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:52:40 -0400 Received: from sensei.execpc.com (sensei.execpc.com [169.207.9.147]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id NAA15798 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:54:51 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mwave update Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:53:27 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <32497f21.17206464@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 IBM said yesterday that a new driver for Mwave, dated 9/17/1996, has been released for Windows 95. I can't verify that. Its sister Windows 3.1 version, is currently in beta. Infoworld's LAN talk column this week, among other things, mentioned several specific complaints about the Mwave modem from Thinkpad users. See http://www.infoworld.com for details. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: tom.kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 17:50:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA006968236; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:50:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10293; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:49:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:39:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAB09248; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:39:26 -0400 Received: from Tennis.Opus1.COM (Tennis.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09235; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 17:39:22 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-3 #9830) id <01I9WDEGR9SG9QUXUL@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:39:08 MST Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:24:42 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: MicroSolutions portable CD-ROM drives? Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I9WDX0LDEC9QUXUL@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Anyone have any experience with these parallel port drives on Thinkpads (I have a 755CE)? All I need is someting to load software on to the hard disk and perhaps serve as a read-only drive for data - I don't have to boot an operating system from it or anything else out of the ordinary. Just curious how well made they are or if there're any problems with them? Thanks, Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 18:38:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA014491126; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:38:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14623; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:38:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:36:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14434; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:36:17 -0400 Received: from mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14428; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:36:13 -0400 Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net ([207.146.129.129]) by mtigwc01.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA5494; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:35:46 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0b19.16.19960925183600.33775f5e@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net Disposition-Notification-To: X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b19 (16) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:36:06 -0300 To: billy@mix.com From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: MicroSolutions portable CD-ROM drives? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have the 4X one without the sound card at home and use it with my TP755CE - works fine with NT, 95, Warp, DOS, and Win3.1. It's not as fast as the NEC 3XE that I have attached to my docking station at work, but I've been very pleased with it. At 02:24 PM 9/25/96 -0700, you wrote: >Real-To: billy@mix.com > >Anyone have any experience with these parallel port drives on >Thinkpads (I have a 755CE)? All I need is someting to load >software on to the hard disk and perhaps serve as a read-only >drive for data - I don't have to boot an operating system from >it or anything else out of the ordinary. Just curious how well >made they are or if there're any problems with them? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 19:23:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA019983808; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:23:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17372; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:22:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:19:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17126; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:19:35 -0400 Received: from mail.pop-frankfurt.com (mail.ipf.de [194.152.32.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17119; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:19:31 -0400 Received: from ip234.ipf.de (ip234.ipf.de [194.152.33.234]) by mail.pop-frankfurt.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16455 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:18:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609252318.BAA16455@mail.pop-frankfurt.com> From: "Joerg Klemenz" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 01:13:24 -0100 Reply-To: "Joerg Klemenz" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Joerg Klemenz's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Hi there I'm new I am introducing myself as the subscription message said. My name is Joerg Klemenz and I use a 701 with 24/720MB for work and fun. Oh yes...I actually use the preinstalled OS/2 v3 I purchased it some 4 Month ago. I really just wanted to see what this laptops cost etc. but it was so cute I just picked it up :) Since then I have found about 37 million ways to use a laptop (or sub-notebook). Like writing email at 1am sitting nude in the kitchen eating microwave cheeseburgers listening S.B.Hawkins and watching Cheers. Now I want to buy some enhancements like a scsi adaptor, cd-rom, new HD, (wireless?) Ethernet...and NEW POINTS ($%&) that's how I found the list Have fun... joerg klemenz (joergk@ipf.de) - http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~fxbws215 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 19:32:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA020694334; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:32:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18165; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:31:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17923; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:30:09 -0400 Received: from mail.pop-frankfurt.com (mail.ipf.de [194.152.32.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17901; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 19:30:06 -0400 Received: from ip234.ipf.de (ip234.ipf.de [194.152.33.234]) by mail.pop-frankfurt.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA16656 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 01:29:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199609252329.BAA16656@mail.pop-frankfurt.com> From: "Joerg Klemenz" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 96 01:29:59 -0100 Reply-To: "Joerg Klemenz" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Joerg Klemenz's Registered PMMail 1.52 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MicroSolutions portable CD-ROM drives? On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 14:24:42 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >Anyone have any experience with these parallel port drives on >Thinkpads (I have a 755CE)? All I need is someting to load >software on to the hard disk and perhaps serve as a read-only >drive for data - I don't have to boot an operating system from >it or anything else out of the ordinary. Just curious how well >made they are or if there're any problems with them? Have a look at http://www.maxcom.nl/cardport/cardportcd-e.html This device is sort of expensive (I think US$ 300-400) but very cool. You can plug it in and out at any time - no need for reboot. Works great with OS/2 if you care. I have heard that Sony sells a "CD-ROM Discman" with scsi interface for US$ 150,- Have fun joerg klemenz (joergk@ipf.de) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 20:03:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA027616220; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:03:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21107; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:02:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:01:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20937; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:00:59 -0400 Received: from ns1.netone.com (ns1.netone.com [206.83.96.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20930; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:00:56 -0400 Received: from will.leopard.com ([206.83.112.67]) by ns1.netone.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA21318 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19920618000114.006704e4@pop.leopard.com> X-Sender: wdunn@pop.leopard.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1992 18:01:14 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Will Dunn Subject: Re: MicroSolutions portable CD-ROM drives? At 02:24 PM 9/25/96 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone have any experience with these parallel port drives on >Thinkpads (I have a 755CE)? All I need is someting to load >software on to the hard disk and perhaps serve as a read-only >drive for data - I don't have to boot an operating system from >it or anything else out of the ordinary. Just curious how well >made they are or if there're any problems with them? > >Thanks, > >Billy Y.. > <<>> If there is a portable CD-ROM hall of fame, the MicroSolutions Backpack CD-ROM belongs in it. I have used it with ThinkPad 700, 720, 701C, 750C, 750Cs and the entire 755 series with OS/2 Warp, OS/2 Warp Server, Windows 3.x, 95, and NT3.51. The driver installation is simple, even for OS/2 and it is very stable. I would even go as far as to say that I consider it mission-critical--my company often loads ThinkPads for demonstration purposes--and it goes where we go. Is it durable, you ask? I have taken the thing in my carry-on luggage, I have packed it in my suitcase, I have even shipped it to three different cities in five days, (It has been to more cities this year than Pearl Jam) and it has never let me down. The 4X speed started making strange noises and MicroSolutions shipped a new one FedEx with no questions asked. The only negative--it is a parallel port device so don't plan on streaming AVIs from it. But for straight file transfer, OS or application loads it won't let you down. --wwd From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Sep 25 21:44:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA037502247; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:44:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28665; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:43:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:40:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28471; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:40:29 -0400 Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (unIDENTified@Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28462; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 21:40:25 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-3 #9830) id <01I9WLHJ34F49QUZ0I@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:40:01 MST Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:25:14 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: MicroSolutions portable CD-ROM drives? In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Wed, 25 Sep 1996 18:32:09 -0600" <199609260032.SAA10799@aspen.wwsi.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I9WMCMSR629QUZ0I@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <01I9WDX0LDEC9QUXUL@Opus1.COM> Steve Hultquist writes: > Why not try a SCSI one, tho? Cost and convenience are two important factors. About half my use of the Thinkpad is in a truck crammed with gear and coming out the side via a pcmcia scsi adapter's cable would be a major pain. It just fits between a digital recorder on one side and the keyboard for another on the other side... Thanks to all who've replied, I'll be ordering one tomorrow. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 26 11:13:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA149210784; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:13:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04971; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:10:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:00:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03682; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:00:31 -0400 Received: from bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (root@bernie.compusmart.ab.ca [199.185.130.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03661; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:00:22 -0400 Received: from remote256.compusmart.ab.ca (remote256.compusmart.ab.ca [206.75.84.81]) by bernie.compusmart.ab.ca (8.7.4/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA01985 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 11:03:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: by remote256.compusmart.ab.ca with Microsoft Mail id <01BBAB89.59C87800@remote256.compusmart.ab.ca>; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:01:48 -0600 Message-Id: <01BBAB89.59C87800@remote256.compusmart.ab.ca> From: Lance Nichols To: "'ThinkPad Mailing List'" Subject: HDD and "Hot Swap Tray" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 09:00:34 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I have not gotten any spesifics on the instalation of the drive, = but I have got lots of people asking me what the Hot Sawp Tray is. To = the best of my knoledge it is the Disk Caddy. Although I have ordered = it, I have not recieved it yet. Part number is: 70G9860 and it is = officially called the hot swap tray 3. You should be able to get it at any authorised IBM retailer... just make = certain that they are a nice store that will special order stuff for = you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 26 12:42:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA164356164; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:42:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14220; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:41:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:36:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13780; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:36:23 -0400 Received: from druid.lanl.gov (root@druid.lanl.gov [128.165.114.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13772; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 12:36:19 -0400 Received: from lanl.gov (hgm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by druid.lanl.gov (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA27774 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:35:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199609261635.KAA27774@druid.lanl.gov> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: hgm@lanl.gov Subject: How to get 800x600 in DOS on 760ED? Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 10:35:47 -0600 From: "Harry G. McGavran Jr." I'm looking for a way on my 760ED LCD Display under DOS (NOT Windows) to get 800x600 full screen resolution. I understand that with some Thinkpads at least, the "ps2" utility accomplishes this with "ps2 mode3x on". The "mode3x" option does not appear on the 760ED "ps2 ?" option list, BUT if one does "ps2 ? mode3x", he sees that the mode is OFF (and he sees that the description of mode3x is exactly what he wants). If one tries "ps2 mode3x on" he gets OK >from the utility -- BUT THEN if he does "ps2 ? mode3x", it still shows OFF AND the mode is still obviously 640x480 on the LCD. I have Version 3.32 of ps2.exe. I'm in this game because what I really want to do is boot LINUX from DOS with loadlin, since LINUX won't set the LCD registers to 800x600. If I can do it in DOS, then I can set 800x600 modes under X in LINUX and really get 800x600. Using HVexp under ps2 does get me a full screen, but it's a 640x480 full screen for both DOS and LINUX. Surely there is some way to do this with a DOS ap from somewhere. Does anyone have any leads??????????????? -- Harry Internet e-mail: hgm@lanl.gov (Harry G. McGavran, Jr.) Los Alamos National Laboratory, Los Alamos, New Mexico 87545 Phone: 505/667-4050 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 26 16:03:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA204928200; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:03:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01234; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:01:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:58:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00716; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:57:58 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00710; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:57:55 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA15501; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:57:47 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:57:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win95 on a 750P Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I need some help. I've told you in excruciating detail what I've done. After suspending Win95 on my ThinkPad750, any keypress freezes the machine for several seconds, and the keypress is discarded. The keyboard is worse than useless. I've tried to update the BIOS from 1.20 to 1.40, but the System Disk BIOS updater says I don't need to (and the change log says that there have been no changes for the 750 since 1.20). How do I fix this? Many thanks (and maybe a drink) to the kind sould who helps me out, Chris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 26 16:04:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA205348280; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:04:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01228; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 16:01:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:56:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00636; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:56:54 -0400 Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00630; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 15:56:49 -0400 Received: (from whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id OAA15365; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:55:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:55:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: To put a Toshiba in your ThinkPad Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm still getting requests for Toshiba hard disk installation instructions, so I'll just post this, and hopefully it will be clear enough. I have a ThinkPad 750P. This procedure will work for other 750's and may very well work on the 755's as well. (Can anyone verify for 701's and 760's? 560? 36x?) If you purchase a drive with a caddy, just pop it in. I bought a MK1926FCV (810MB). The 1924 (540MB) and the 1.3GB UltraSlim are the same size and should work just the same. Anybody's 2.5" 17mm thick (or smaller) IDE drive should work (unless you have to turn the drive over, in which case you may need to bust off the tabs in the caddy). This is based on my own experience and I believe it to be true, but don't complain to me if it doesn't work for you, and I won't be liable for anything you do to your hard drive and computer. Note: ThinkPad drives are not hot swappable. Always shut down your machine and turn power off before swapping a hard drive. (the good stuff) To put a Toshiba drive into the IBM caddy: Peel back the sticker over the drive connector and unscrew the two screw holding the caddy together. Unsnap the six plastic tabs (three on each side) that hold the top part of the caddy to the bottom part. I used a jeweller's screwdriver to do this. The caddy is hinged at the back (the edge closest to the user when in the machine) so start with the tabs nearest the screws. You'll need to remove the drive cable from the drive. It has two connectors and a short length of flexible printed circuit. Connect the cable to the new drive. The pins on the drive (indicated by X below) should line up with the holes in the cable (O below) as follows: xx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx oooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooo This is not the exact number of pins, but the extra holes in the socket should be on the side away from the cluster of four pins. There are no keyed holes on the connector. If you connect the drive incorrectly, it will not work, and who knows what could happen. Put the drive and connector assembly into the caddy. The drive is not as thick as the IBM drives. As you close the caddy around the drive, ensure that the protective plastic sheet that helps keep dust out is in the bottom of the caddy. Suspend the drive from the plastic mounting nibs. The drive should not rest on the bottom of the caddy. (This made it difficult to slide out the keyboard locking tab.) Line up the holes in the other cable connector with the holes in the caddy. It could take quite a bit of force to keep the connector in place as you re-assemble the caddy. Screw the caddy back together (so everything lines up correctly) put the sticker back in place and snap your new hard disk in your 'Pad. When you turn the machine on, press and hold F1 to start the EZ-Setup BIOS and run the built-in test on HDD-1. If it works, you're all done, if not, good luck. Now comes the fun part of installing software on a blank machine. Get some DOS floppies and either install DOS or run fdisk and format before installing other goodies. (I would personally format the whole drive from DOS just as another test.) I installed PC DOS 6.1, then Windows 95 upgrade from floppies (using a 3.1 floppy as proof of upgrade path). Chris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Sep 26 20:00:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA244502441; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 20:00:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20255; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:56:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:46:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19639; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:46:56 -0400 Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19633; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:46:53 -0400 Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA16271; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:49:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 19:49:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: ThinkPad + FreeBSD? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello all, I've just started subscribing to this mailing list. I've read the FAQ (last updated on 8th March 1995!?), and it doesn't mention anything about running FreeBSD on ThinkPads. Has anyone here put FreeBSD on their ThinkPad, and if so, can you recommend any tips to someone about to try it? I happen to have a 701C with 16 MB RAM and a FreeBSD 2.1 CD. > The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from > swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq > (URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) BTW, this statement from the introductory greeting response is incorrect; the directory is pub/thinkpad/archive/faq, so therefore the URL is actually "ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/pub/thinkpad/archive/faq/". Regards, Christian. -- Christian Carey (ccarey@CapAccess.ORG) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 03:47:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA019830429; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 03:47:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18666; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:44:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:39:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18182; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:39:32 -0400 Received: from shiner-bock.hip.berkeley.edu (shiner-bock.HIP.Berkeley.EDU [136.152.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18176; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 02:39:21 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by shiner-bock.hip.berkeley.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA01209 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:36:43 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199609270636.XAA01209@shiner-bock.hip.berkeley.edu> Subject: 16Mb SO-DIMM for 701? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: steverod@cs.berkeley.edu Content-Type: text While checking The Chip Merchant (http://www.thechipmerchant.com), I saw that they have a 16MB SO-DIMM 3.3v for $131. Is this DIMM usable in a 701? If so, it just may be time for a memory upgrade...... Thanks in advance! Steve From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 04:07:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA023211617; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:06:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25651; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:06:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:04:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25323; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:04:22 -0400 Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25317; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:04:19 -0400 Received: from champagne.edelweb.fr (champagne.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.161]) by edelweb.fr (8.7.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA23711; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:04:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr [193.51.14.7]) by champagne.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA06115; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:04:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (ben@localhost) by mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA13019; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:04:10 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:04:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben X-Sender: ben@mercier.gctech.edelweb.fr To: Christian Carey Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: ThinkPad + FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Christian Carey wrote: > Hello all, > > I've just started subscribing to this mailing list. I've read the FAQ > (last updated on 8th March 1995!?), and it doesn't mention anything about > running FreeBSD on ThinkPads. Has anyone here put FreeBSD on their > ThinkPad, and if so, can you recommend any tips to someone about to try > it? I happen to have a 701C with 16 MB RAM and a FreeBSD 2.1 CD. As do I(in terms of the hardware stuff). I've got 2.1 and 2.1.5R and the latest SNAP running on my Thinkpad(all at separate times). Everything works like a charm. You might want to consider installing the PAO PCMCIA package. Ben ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 05:04:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA133875079; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:04:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00193; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:03:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:00:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29956; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:00:51 -0400 Received: from odin.iki.kfki.hu (jtoth@odin.iki.kfki.hu [148.6.32.202]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29837; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 04:59:42 -0400 Received: (from jtoth@localhost) by odin.iki.kfki.hu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00581; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:56:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199609270856.KAA00581@odin.iki.kfki.hu> From: jtoth@odin.iki.kfki.hu (Gabor J.Toth) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:56:03 +0200 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(2) 2/29/96) To: Elvin , slugnet@lug.org.sg Subject: Re: APM and PCMCIA... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > On Sep 15, 12:06pm, Elvin wrote: > > When ever I do a FN-F4 to suspend the system, all goes well, when I > unsuspend, everything still works.. though sometimes it takes around 1-5 > seconds for the pcmcia card to start again.. > When I looked at the log (/var/adm/messages).. I get this... > > Sep 15 12:01:31 dupre cardmgr[44]: executing: '/etc/pcmcia/serial suspend > ttyS1' > Sep 15 12:01:31 dupre cardmgr[44]: executing: '/etc/pcmcia/serial resume > ttyS1' > > I remember suspending at 9:00 and unsuspending at 12:01:31, why does the > card suspend only when I unsuspend? I have Hayes Optima 288, which > supports suspending.. so any ideas? I don't think there's anything abnormal there: the cardmgr probably emits these messages before the machine suspends all right just syslogd doesn't get a chance to write them out to the messages file before you resume operation. I haven't looked into the syslogd source but I can easily imagine that the time stamps correspond to the time the message is written out not when it was initiated; there's normally no substantial difference between the two and there may not be an easy way to do otherwise. If you're curious use the source ;). Hope this helps. --jtg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 10:32:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA071754725; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:32:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29245; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:29:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28712; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28706; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:24:29 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_18.enteract.com (dialin_6_18.enteract.com [206.54.253.65]) by enteract.com (8.8.Beta.6/8.7.6) with SMTP id JAA28423 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 09:24:17 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 16Mb SO-DIMM for 701? Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:25:31 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <324be2d9.2180624@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199609270636.XAA01209@shiner-bock.hip.berkeley.edu> In-Reply-To: <199609270636.XAA01209@shiner-bock.hip.berkeley.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Steve, Yep, that's our module. I got one already, works with no problems. Since the line's discontinued, I think everyone's dumping the RAM. After all, it's not like there are gonna be anymore customers in the pipeline. It'll probably go up again when stocks have depleted and the used market comes looking for the stuff, though I've noticed a lot of 701s n the market as it is. epbrown On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 23:36:40 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: "While checking The Chip Merchant (http://www.thechipmerchant.com), I saw that "they have a 16MB SO-DIMM 3.3v for $131. Is this DIMM usable in a 701? If so, "it just may be time for a memory upgrade...... " "Thanks in advance! "Steve " epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 10:40:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA073625203; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:40:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00184; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:37:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:35:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29886; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:35:47 -0400 Received: from light.lightlink.com (root@light.lightlink.com [205.232.34.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29842; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:35:32 -0400 Received: from stanton.lightlink.com (anxp18.wi.centuryinter.net [206.65.185.28]) by light.lightlink.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA16603 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:35:05 -0400 Message-Id: <324BE65B.42E6@palisade.com> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:36:11 -0400 From: Stanton Loh Reply-To: sloh@palisade.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: fuelwin.exe on a 750c (Win95) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, After updating the bios & installing Win95, the 4.00 version of fuelwin.exe doesn't seem to work quite right. It doesn't update properly. For example, on starting it, it doesn't think there's a battery pack until I click on discharge. When discharging, it doesnt update the % charged status unless the cancel dialog is up. It wont even recharge unless I pull the power cord out and plug it in a few times. Does anyone have any suggestions/fixes? Thanks, Stanton mailto:sloh@palisade.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 10:55:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA077606124; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:55:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01878; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:53:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:51:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01692; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:51:28 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01679; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:51:21 -0400 Received: from escribaj.mlc.lib.mi.us (libpc129.lib.hfh.edu [150.198.248.129]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with ESMTP id KAA15281; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609271450.KAA15281@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> From: "Joseph Escribano" To: , Subject: Re: fuelwin.exe on a 750c (Win95) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:46:53 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recalling some problems associated with Fuelwin, I don't use it at all. I just use W95's Power.exe and have the icon appear on the taskbar. I've got a NiMH battery and have never had to run the discharge/recharge cycle for conditioning. Joe ---------- | From: Stanton Loh | To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu | Subject: fuelwin.exe on a 750c (Win95) | Date: Friday, September 27, 1996 10:36 AM | | Hello, | | After updating the bios & installing Win95, the 4.00 version of | fuelwin.exe doesn't seem to work quite right. It doesn't update | properly. For example, on starting it, it doesn't think there's | a battery pack until I click on discharge. When discharging, it | doesnt update the % charged status unless the cancel dialog is up. | | It wont even recharge unless I pull the power cord out and plug it | in a few times. | | Does anyone have any suggestions/fixes? | | Thanks, | | Stanton | mailto:sloh@palisade.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 11:32:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA085058375; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:32:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05994; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:26:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05360; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:26:05 -0400 Received: from mailgate.execpc.com (root@mailgate.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05347; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:25:56 -0400 Received: from walleye.execpc.com (walleye.execpc.com [169.207.6.100]) by mailgate.execpc.com (8.7.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id KAA29323; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:28:19 -0500 From: tom.kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) To: sloh@palisade.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: fuelwin.exe on a 750c (Win95) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:27:00 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <324bf09c.5050793@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <324BE65B.42E6@palisade.com> In-Reply-To: <324BE65B.42E6@palisade.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:36:11 -0400, you wrote: >Hello, > >After updating the bios & installing Win95, the 4.00 version of >fuelwin.exe doesn't seem to work quite right. It doesn't update >properly. For example, on starting it, it doesn't think there's >a battery pack until I click on discharge. When discharging, it >doesnt update the % charged status unless the cancel dialog is up. > >It wont even recharge unless I pull the power cord out and plug it >in a few times. > >Does anyone have any suggestions/fixes? > >Thanks, > >Stanton >mailto:sloh@palisade.com > I run Windows 3.1 on a 760ED and had problems where the Fuelwin icon would go beserk (madly flashing). If I did a Ctrl-Alt-Delete, Windows said "FUELWIN.EXE has stopped responding...". After a *long* phone call with two different techs, I got accidentally transferred to a 3rd guy, who said "Yea, there's been some problems with that program.. No, you don't need it because of this and that." Same with the docking control program, which would also die (we only have a port replicator, not a docking station). This was for Windows 3.1 - I don't know about Windows 95. This was even after my voltage converter was replaced by IBM. The system is still locking up for unknown reasons. Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: tom.kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 11:53:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA087579585; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:53:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08061; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:52:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:50:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07915; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:50:51 -0400 Received: from cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us [198.109.120.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07889; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:50:43 -0400 Received: from escribaj.mlc.lib.mi.us (libpc129.lib.hfh.edu [150.198.248.129]) by cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us (8.7.3/Merit) with ESMTP id LAA17719; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199609271550.LAA17719@cobra.mlc.lib.mi.us> From: "Joseph Escribano" To: "Mark Rees" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Motorola Montana PC Card Experience Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:46:29 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got both the Montana also and a MicroTAC cell phone too but haven't had a reason/chance to use a cell hookup. BTW, I'm using a 755C w/ W95 and have used the HD and pc cards in a 750C also. The PC card docs included a listing of the accessory cables for various cell phones. All were listed at $29.95 (USD) with the only exceptions being for pager cables. I tried to get the cable from Cellular One but apparently they supported a different PC Card. Was your $60 cost w/ overnight shipping from 1-800-4A-PCMCIA? I just installed the QuickFax Mobile software which came with the Montana. The software has a button that handles either land line or cellular connections (switches betw modem setup strings). The only reason I loaded this software was because I got rid of PCPlus/Win 3.0 and wanted simple fax capabilities back. Using the Montana over land lines has been OK (work, home, travelling). A *major* caution to all laptop/portable users: beware of the phone lines you plug into! A co-worker w/ 760CD fried his built-in modem by plugging into either a digital phone or network jack (thank goodness for corp maintenance agreements). Anyway, we've since gotten a phone line device which you can virtually connect to any phone system as well as protect your modem. It was from Global and it was around $130. It's called an Office Konnector by Konexx. Joe ---------- From: Mark Rees To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: Motorola Montana PC Card Experience Date: Sunday, September 22, 1996 1:58 PM Here are some experiences getting the Thinkpad Cellular capable... I very recently purchased on of the new IBM Thinkpad 560's (120mhz), with a Motorola Montana 28.8 modem (cellular ready) and 10baseT net card. As I was trying to get totally self-sufficient, I went out and bought a Motorola MicroTAC Elite cell phone. After I got both, I discovered that I had to buy another cable to hook the "cellular ready" modem to the "modem ready" cell phone. No one at any local store had any clue what I needed to hook the two up. They tried to sell me a "box"-like thing to do it. Finally I go the number of Motorola direct PCCard sales and ordered the required cable $60, overnight. Overnight, turned into being two-day air. At the end of the second day, I called back and asked where the cable was, they had no idea. They have recently gone to an automated fulfillment system, and it was having "difficulty". They could not tell me if it even shipped, much less give me a tracking number. They suggested I order another one Fed-x priority overnight to ensure that I got it before my out-of-town trip. They promised to hand deliver it to the warehouse, hand-pick it from inventory, and put it in overnight guaranteed. I let them do this and got it the next morning. The next morning, a few hours before my plane left, I wanted to try everything out. I opened the cable, installed the software, then discovered that the PC Card that I bought the week before had a serial number which was 100,000's less than that required to operate correctly. What the instructions told me to do was fax in a new order for an exchange. The problem, I was told, was one of FCC compliance, and that it would still work-provided I did three things: Loaded the new software included with the cable, downloaded a newer patch from their site, and followed a complicated and lengthy and manual installation-correction sheet. After doing all three, I was unable to get anything working. I then proceeded to spend the next 3 hours on the phone with Motorola, then vendor where I purchased the Thinkpad, IBM, and Microsoft. Motorola eventually got the modem working again, but during the process I lost the ability of the card to communicate on the network. Motorola was totally unable to get this problem resolved. IBM wanted about $120 to fix it. Only Microsoft (for $35) was able to solve this problem. Now, after the fact, I have also learned that I can only get speeds up to 9600 baud, and I have to have separate modem settings for land-lines and cellular connections. I don't know if I would try this again. Why is everything so complicated? FYI ---------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 12:57:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA099373469; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:57:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13992; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:50:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:46:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13706; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:46:01 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13646; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:45:33 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_22.enteract.com (dialin_6_22.enteract.com [206.54.253.69]) by enteract.com (8.8.Beta.6/8.7.6) with SMTP id LAA09145 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:44:36 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery Discharge for 701? Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 16:24:11 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <324bff39.3941481@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 The thread on fuelwin.exe make me wonder, is there a similar program for discharging completely the battery in a 701? Nothing in the manual about it, but it would come in handy. epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 13:09:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA100684178; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:09:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15590; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:08:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:06:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15392; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:06:22 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15386; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:06:17 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA15510; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:06:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:06:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery Discharge for 701? In-Reply-To: <324bff39.3941481@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, epbrown wrote: > The thread on fuelwin.exe make me wonder, is there a similar > program for discharging completely the battery in a 701? Nothing > in the manual about it, but it would come in handy. I think the 701 manual states that its battery is designed to not need a complete discharge, and doing so too often will shorten the life of the battery. If it doesn't say it in there, I heard it from a friend of a friend of a 701 engineer. My experience with my 701 and the NiMH battery indicates it's true. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 13:43:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA112376205; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:43:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18217; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:38:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:36:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18016; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:36:37 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18009; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:36:33 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_21.enteract.com (dialin_7_21.enteract.com [206.54.253.100]) by enteract.com (8.8.Beta.6/8.7.6) with SMTP id MAA12500; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 12:36:26 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "John H. Kim" Subject: Re: Battery Discharge for 701? Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 17:16:01 GMT Organization: People's Front Against World Wide Web Message-Id: <324c09fd.6698365@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 I thought that warning was for the dread "Super" Ni-Cad. I've treated my NiMH like any other without ill effects. It seems like any normal one, in that when I continue working after the low battery warnings until the system shuts down, then recharge, I get more life when it's completely charged. When I recharge without doing this, the battery meter reads a few minutes shorter. Right now I'm trying to gradually work my batteries back up to their normal 3-hour reading, which is difficult if I have to keep actually running the batteries down, then waiting for them to recharge. This is about 5 hours per cycle, with a 2-minute gain each cycle. And I'm a 2:48 on one battery, and 2:40 on the other On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:06:15 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: "On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, epbrown wrote: " "> The thread on fuelwin.exe make me wonder, is there a similar "> program for discharging completely the battery in a 701? Nothing "> in the manual about it, but it would come in handy. " "I think the 701 manual states that its battery is designed to not need "a complete discharge, and doing so too often will shorten the life of "the battery. If it doesn't say it in there, I heard it from a friend "of a friend of a 701 engineer. " "My experience with my 701 and the NiMH battery indicates it's true. "-- "John H. Kim "jokim@mit.edu " " epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 13:58:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA114317083; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:58:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19769; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:55:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19544; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:53:37 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19537; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:53:33 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA15741; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:54:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 13:54:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Battery Discharge for 701? In-Reply-To: <324c09fd.6698365@smtp.enteract.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, epbrown wrote: > I thought that warning was for the dread "Super" Ni-Cad. I've > treated my NiMH like any other without ill effects. It seems like > any normal one, in that when I continue working after the low > battery warnings until the system shuts down, then recharge, I get > more life when it's completely charged. When I recharge without > doing this, the battery meter reads a few minutes shorter. Right Interesting. I've had exactly the opposite experience. Every time I do a full discharge/recharge, I lose about 4 minutes on the meter. I did partial discharges for about 6 months without any change in the 100% meter time, then I did a full discharge (by accident, didn't realize it was unplugged :) and immediately lost 4 more minutes. How long have you had the battery? Maybe the behavior changes with age? -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 15:06:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA123921195; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:06:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25601; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:03:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:58:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25077; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:58:47 -0400 Received: from ucs.orst.edu (UCS.ORST.EDU [128.193.4.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25064; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:58:41 -0400 Received: by ucs.orst.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/13Sep96-1023AM) id AA19164; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:58:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 11:58:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Mosley To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Slackware 3.0 KLUDGE! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am installing Slackware Linux 3.0 on my TP701 just for kicks. Has anyone seen this error message on the package installation phase: WARNING!! While looking through your index file (diskap2), I noticed that you might be missing a package ... The error message then goes on to name a package that is clearly improper, like "(c)1995.tgz" which leads me to believe that it is somehow reading through the description files and thinking every word in there is a package that must be installed!! Is this a problem on my trusty TP, or just a total KLUDGE in the Slackware 3.0 dist. P.S. Sorry if not tailored for this list, anyone know an alternate list if not? Thanks. ========== Stephen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Sep 27 15:46:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA130823561; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:46:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29540; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:39:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29146; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:39:41 -0400 Received: from prefect.tenagra.com ([204.251.142.178]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29132; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 15:39:11 -0400 Received: from bayou.tenagra.com (bayou.tenagra.com [204.251.142.186]) by prefect.tenagra.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA03996 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:44:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199609271944.OAA03996@prefect.tenagra.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Jeffrey Graham" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 14:40:06 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: slackware 96 on 755C... fdisk problem? Reply-To: jgraham@tenagra.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42a) Everyone, I am currently attempting to install slackware 96 on my thinkpad 755C, but have encountered an anomaly that results in the following error message when SETUP tries to install the packages via NFS: no space left on device Now, I totally wiped the hard drive before starting (with DOS's fdisk), and this message occurs immediately when SETUP tries to install the a disks. Linux's fdisk reported the drive geometry as being: cylinders=1047 heads=16 sectors=63 On the contrary, FIPS and HDTEST report the geometry as being: cylinders=521 heads=32 sectors=63 I have tried using the expert mode in Linux's fdisk to set the cylinders,heads,and sectors to 521,32,63 then writing the table to disk and rebooting, but linux's fdisk *STILL* reports is being 1047,16,63. At the boot prompt, I type in: boot: ramdisk hd=521,32,63 mount floppy=thinkpad Nothing seems to make a difference. I have tried using the "default geometry" of 1047,16,63 but that doesnt work either. In any case, when SETUP begins to install the packages, I get lots of disk errors about symbolic links and no disk space. I did tell setup to format the hard drive, prep the swap file,etc. Somebody help me! Thanks, Jeff Some other (perhaps) useful info on the problem: 1. the hard disk is 514 megabytes (according to dos fdisk) 2. using net.i as the boot floppy 3. using pcmcia.gz as the root floppy 4. the machine has 12 megs ram, dx4 75 Mhz thinkpad 755C From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 28 11:27:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA246334449; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:27:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23774; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:25:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22860; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:15:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (ts85.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.85]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22809; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 11:15:30 -0400 From: Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0036; Sun, 29 Sep 96 01:15:48 -0700 Message-Id: <9609290815.AA0036@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 01:12:23 +1000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RAM prices for TP760CD? X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <26_104_4_843973944> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G'day one and all, So who can point me to a good supplier of RAM for my ThinkPad? I am looking for a 16MB EDO SO DIMM module to suit my 760CD. Prices, availability, and recommendations re: reputable suppliers. /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 28 13:27:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA256201631; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:27:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00589; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:26:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:22:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00329; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:22:12 -0400 Received: from mail-a.bcc.ac.uk (mail-a.bcc.ac.uk [144.82.100.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00320; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:21:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199609281721.NAA00320@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from 4-millar-229 (actually host millar-229.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk) by mail-a.bcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:17:21 +0100 X-Sender: ucklw08@pop-server.ucl.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:17:06 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Dr. Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Free SCO OpenDesktop/UNIXWare UNIX System vs. IBM Thinkpads? Has anyone tried installing the newly released free version (same as the full commercial version; except it is single user) of SCO's UNIX system (including base, network tools, and development tools) on a TP750 (or other thinkpad system)? I'd curious about how well it works in the notebook (rather than desktop) environment. Check http://www.sco.com for free UNIX system details if interested. I've used the commercial system for years under a special grant to me from Santa Cruz Operation. In many ways (e.g. the Motif license is included and Intel PROTON Pentium Optimizing Compiler included) is might seem nicer than the usual linux on a notebook system. Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. Laboratory for Molecular Pharmacology University College London From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 28 16:54:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA276234082; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:54:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13451; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:53:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:50:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13289; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:50:52 -0400 Received: from indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu [152.11.5.107]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13277; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:50:49 -0400 Received: (from ahn@localhost) by indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA15989 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:47:32 -0400 From: ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu (Dave Ahn) Message-Id: <199609282047.QAA15989@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu> Subject: tp750cs To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL22 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, folks. I just recently acquired a TP750Cs. Unfortunately, I don't have the User's manual. Could someone give me a quick explanation on what each of these Fn keys are supposed to do: F2, F3, F7, F8, F11, F12? Also, how do I bring up the BIOS setup menu before system boot? And lastly, does the FN-F4 suspend feature consume battery power while supended? In other words, is it safe for me to suspend for hours or days at a time while the AC is disconnected? Thanks in advance, Dave. -- Dave Ahn, ahn@indigo2.rad.bgsm.edu "When you were born you cried, and the ^^ PLEASE NOTE CHANGE ^^ world rejoiced. Try to live your life Medical Visualization Lab, Radiology, so that when you die you will rejoice, Bowman Gray School of Medicine and the world will cry." -1/2 jj^2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Sep 28 18:53:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA286121219; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:53:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21473; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:52:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:49:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21185; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:49:42 -0400 Received: from gordius.gordian.com (gordius.gordian.com [192.73.220.81]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21174; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:49:33 -0400 Received: from mulligan (arnie.lantronix.com [192.111.119.91]) by gordius.gordian.com (8.7.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA17774 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from johnp (johnppp.lantronix.com) by mulligan with SMTP id AA03655 (5.67b8+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:49:13 -0700 From: "John Pham" Message-Id: <960928155755.ZM13982@johnp> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:52:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail 4.0.1 (4.0.1 Apr 9 1996) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 760ELD Experience Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not wanting to make you feel discourage but here's the long story on my experience with the 760ELDs: I got this machine since it was the only thing available with reasonable price and delivery time from CompUSA. The first unit showed up without the correct power cord or the Lotus suite CD-ROM. It also had a few bad pixels on the LCD display and does not want to talk to my Practical Peripherals Proclass v.34 PCMCIA fax modem if I put it in suspend/resume mode. I'd have to reboot the machine to get it to recognize the card and this is the same for a 3COM 3C589 PCMCIA Ethernet adapter. Both of these cards worked fine with other Toshiba notebooks and I've tried to upgrade the firmware on the cards as well as on the IBM machine and the same problem still occur afterward. IBM tech support didn't really have a good answer except to say that it could be incompatible with the notebook???? So I managed to get it exchanged for another unit which did come with all the right accessories and also has a slightly newer manufacturing date. I also replaced the Practical Peripherals modem with a Hayes Optima v.34 PCMCIA modem and it seemed to work better with the IBM machine. It also behaved better with the 3COM card eventhough I didn't make any changes. The machine worked ok except that I have to save my work quite frequent since it tends to lock up for some unknown reasons and I've tried to upgrade all of the firmware and drivers that I could think of. I've even re-installed Win95 a few times just to make sure that it's setup correctly and got the latest service pack installed as well. It also does not allow me to hot swap the CD-ROM and floppy drives in contrast to the user manual. So I ordered the external floppy attachment through CompUSA and it hasn't show up after 3 months. Well, things got worse as I travelled with this machine. It constantly locked up whenever I picked it up and move it around such as from the desk to my lap or just hitting the backspace, return and cursors keys sometimes. This problem is quite easily duplicated by just moving it around. I contacted IBM and was told to do the self test in continuous mode and then call back if there was any problem. I also removed the extra memory card just in case it caused the problem but that was not it. When I called them back 2 days later to follow up and gave them the incident number, they didn't even have the number in the system and suggested I send in the machine for repair since they haven't heard of this problem before!!! Since I bought the machine with extended warranty support from CompUSA, I contacted them hoping they would be able to help but they said my machine is still covered under IBM warranty so they'll have to follow IBM support guidelines. So much for that!!! Anyway, they said I'd get a shipping box to send in the notebook for repair in a couple of days. Four days later, a person from TSS (IBM support) showed up at my office for a on-site service call. However, he was expecting to be fixing a Lexmark printer and not a Thinkpad but asked to look at the machine anyway. He couldn't even dis-assembled the keyboard assembly and gave up after one hour. It seemed they have mis-communicated and he couldn't tell me what to do next except to give me a number to call and find out. When I called this number, the person at the other end promised to have another rep come by and pick up the machine the next day. Afterward, he called back and asked if I could ship it to them instead. I packed it up and sent it to the TSS (IBM Easyserv) depot overnight for a 72 hours turn around repair and included some instructions for how to contact me via email, pager or phone and what the problems were since I needed it back in a hurry. I had to call them twice a day and endured long holding times to get status of the repair and was told that they had so many of these high end machine in repair that no one was assigned to fix it until three days later. Once it was assigned to a tech, he told me that this is quite a common problem and the system board needed to be replaced. The bad news is that the board is not available and he would have to wait between 3-5 days but somehow he got a board later that day and put it in. He promised I would get the machine back the next day before 10am and I was glad to hear that. Well, around noon the next day, nothing showed up so I called them to find out what was going on. I spoke with one of the customer rep and she said that she would find out. Two hours went by and she called back to leave a message that the machine would be shipped that day and I should get it the next afternoon. Since I was going out of town the next morning, I called her back and left a message in trying to reroute the package to where I was going to be but she never returned my call. I called FedEx to have this done myself and they promised to have it delivered at the new address the next day or the day after and charging some more money for it. I got to the hotel the next afternoon and found out the package dind't make it so I had our shipping people called FedEx to get the status. The FedEx woman said it went to the original delivery address but they still have my package and would send it to me the next day. However, I later found out that they actually dropped off the package at my office earlier and didn't even know it. So much for those FedEx commercials you see on TV!!!. I finally got the notebook back the next afternoon and turned it on to see if things were really fixed. After the self test, I got a screen that I never seen before and the machine refused to boot up. I called IBM and found out that the machine couldn't find any bootable devices based on the error code and asked me to check for the drives presence. It turned out that the hard drive had came loose for some reasons and had to be pushed back down. I thought this is going to work but found that the machine still have the same problem as before in addition to a new one. No matter what I tried, Win95 or DOS/WFW could not see the PCMCIA controller at all. I had this problem before and was able to fix it by removing and re-installed Win95 drivers but not this time. Again, I called IBM to explain the situation but the person I spoke with couldn't offer any help but gave me another 24 hours support number to call. I called this number and got someone whom asked for my phone number and said he'll call me back in 10 minutes. Well, half an hour went by and nobody called so I decided to call again. This time, the phone just rang for about 10 minutes and I hang up. When I tried again a minute later, a recording came on and said they were closed. The next day, I called the TSS depot to discuss the problem and the only solution they could offer is to have the machine send back in. For what I just went through, it was not what I wanted to do unless they can give me a loaner unit or have it replaced with another one which they said no. They transferred my call to a tech rep who was supposed to be able to help but all she did was to ask me the basic information and said someone would call me back in a couple of hours. A few hours went by and I got another call which again just to verify the machine serial number and such but no help and a promise to be called back. At about 11:30 that night, a rep called and again was stumbled by the problem and couldn't help since he was a hardware person and suggested that I call the regular support line. I got a hold of a person at the support center and explained to her what I had done trying to fix the PCMCIA problem and dind't even want to mention about the lock up problem. After searching their problem database, she cound't find any solutions so she talked with someone else whom gave the standard suggestion of getting the latest drivers and see how it works (like the "take two of these and call me in the morning" type of responses). I asked her how I could do anything since I can't use the PCMCIA modem and don't have access to a external modem at the hotel but didn't get a reply. So I went back trying to hack it by re-installing a bunch of differrent drivers and finally got it to work. By this time, it was about 12:30 AM so I guess Friday the 13 did have some effect on the machine. I got on the IBM web site and downloaded the drivers they suggested and installed it but I don't think it made any difference since there were no Win95 drivers. I even went to the IBM booth at Atlanta N+I '96 last week and talked to one of their booth staffers but she couldn't offer any immediate help except to took down my information and promised someone would call. I'm trying to work with the CompUSA account rep right now to see if he could get me a replacement but am not holding my breath since they don't seemed to be able to deliver either. I work for a Ethernet equipment manufacturer that offer 24-hours advance replacement for everything from a simple $20 transceiver up to a $5000 RMON probe with no questions asked during the 5 years warranty. We also offer 2 hours response time if you login to our Web site and request support or sales information. I'd be glad to get rid of this "junkpad" and tell everyone I know not to buy one of them because of what I've experienced. Are you having second thoughts about your Thinkpad yet? -- ------------------------------------------------------ | John Pham Phone: (800) 422-7044 | | Lantronix (714) 453-7107 | | 15353 Barranca Parkway Fax: (714) 450-7226 | | Irvine, CA 92718 Email: johnp@lantronix.com | ------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 08:52:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA050871540; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:52:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16580; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:47:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:42:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16140; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:42:49 -0400 Received: from vtaix.cc.vt.edu (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu [198.82.161.244]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16134; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:42:45 -0400 Received: (from adamf@localhost) by vtaix.cc.vt.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA47062 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:42:36 -0400 From: Adam Finkelstein Message-Id: <199609291242.IAA47062@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> Subject: 755C, modems, and Linux To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:42:36 +22324924 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199609131649.MAA01380@CS.UTK.EDU> from "thinkpad-request@CS.UTK.EDU" at Sep 13, 96 12:49:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Hello. Using a 755C and getting ready to install a version of Linux. Realize that MWAVE and Linux are not compatible. Would like feedback from Linux users on PCMCIA modems or external modems--ones that work with Linux. Will also be using Windoze95, and an IBM type II PCMCIA ethernet adaptor (if possible). I'll gladly summarize if you mail me, or mail to the list, whatever you feel like. thanks, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 11:30:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA062731022; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:30:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26346; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:26:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:19:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25556; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:19:30 -0400 Received: from mailgate32 (mailgate32-hme0.a001.sprintmail.com [205.137.196.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25550; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:19:26 -0400 Received: by mailgate32 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA25542; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:13:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199609291513.IAA25542@mailgate32> Received: from sdn-ts-070mdrelrp07.dialsprint.net(206.133.9.122) by mailfep4-hme0 via smap (KC5.24) id Q_205.137.194.42/Q_27178_1_324e91fa; Sun Sep 29 08:12:58 1996 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tony Staples" Organization: Motion Motorsports To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 11:11:54 -0004 Subject: WTB: 755CX or 760 model. Reply-To: tstaples@sprintmail.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.42) I am looking to purchase another ThinkPad. I have a 755CD that I'm going to give to my wife, and I am looking for a 755CX with the Pentiium 75, 800x600 screen, Li battery, 800+ MB Hard Disk and 24MB or 32MB RAM. I have found one in Atlanta for $2500 with 24MB RAM, 800 MB Disk, and no bad pixels. If you have a better deal on one, or have one with more RAM and or larger hard disk, for sale, drop me an email. I might consider a 760 model, but it can't be any more than $2500. It MUST have no bad pixels (that just drives me nuts!), and be in like new condition with a transferable warranty, all manuals, accessories, etc . . . I am looking to purchase something next week, as my wife is currently a computer peasant. We sold her Toshiba Portege this weekend and she really can't be down for too long. Thanks in advance. Tony Staples tstaples@sprintmail.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 12:23:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA067364197; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:23:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01537; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:22:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:20:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01257; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:20:10 -0400 Received: from scf-fs.usc.edu (scf-fs.usc.edu [128.125.253.183]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01240; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:20:02 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-56.usc.edu [128.125.224.128]) by scf-fs.usc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id JAA03782; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960929162028.01031de0@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 09:20:28 -0700 To: tstaples@sprintmail.com From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: WTB: 755CX or 760 model. Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 11:11 AM 9/29/96 -0004, Tony Staples wrote: >I am looking to purchase another ThinkPad. I have a 755CD that I'm >going to give to my wife, and I am looking for a 755CX with the >Pentiium 75, 800x600 screen, Li battery, 800+ MB Hard Disk and 24MB or >32MB RAM. I have found one in Atlanta for $2500 with 24MB RAM, 800 MB >Disk, and no bad pixels. If you have a better deal on one, or have >one with more RAM and or larger hard disk, for sale, drop me an email. > I might consider a 760 model, but it can't be any more than $2500. >It MUST have no bad pixels (that just drives me nuts!), and be in like >new condition with a transferable warranty, all manuals, accessories, etc . . . Tony, just this morning I saw a 760C in the L.A. Times Classified for $1500!! 16 MB RAM/1GB HD. The Phone number is 310/201-0449. I have no idea who's selling it or if its been trashed or what exactly, but perhaps it interests you. I am NOT liable for anything if you don't like it--just passing along the info I saw in the newspaper! ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle "If you've been in the game for 30 minutes and still don't know who is the patsy...*YOU* are the patsy." - Warren Buffet From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 13:47:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA074159259; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:47:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07981; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:43:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:38:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07603; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:38:35 -0400 Received: from albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07597; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:38:32 -0400 Received: from #kuhtz by albert.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) with SMTP id NAA26606 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 13:38:26 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960929174405.006e5190@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:44:05 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: TP755CX for sale Thinkpad 755CX 75 MHz Pentium 40MB RAM (yes, that's 40!) 540MB HD 800x600 @ 16-bit colour Loaded with software Two bad pixels @ extreme right of screen (barely noticeable) The usual Mwave/Sound/modem/speakerphone etc All for $2100 ono Give me a call @ (972) 459-2718 evenings/weekend or (972) 541-3777 during weekdays/office hours. I'm located in Dallas, TX though I'll ship it if needed. Thanks, .rickt -- I'm as confused as a baby in a topless bar. Motto: If it logs in, shoot it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 14:07:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA076120428; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:07:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09286; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:06:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:05:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09082; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:04:59 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09076; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:04:56 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu (slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu) by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA075800292; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 14:04:52 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0v7QEV-0000XUC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:04 EDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:04 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199609291242.IAA47062@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> (adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu) Subject: 755C, modems, and Linux X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] From: Adam Finkelstein Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:42:36 +22324924 (EDT) Hello. Using a 755C and getting ready to install a version of Linux. Realize that MWAVE and Linux are not compatible. Would like feedback from Linux users on PCMCIA modems or external modems--ones that work with Linux. Will also be using Windoze95, and an IBM type II PCMCIA ethernet adaptor (if possible). I am also using a 755C -- which doesn't have mwave, by the way -- and I use a US Robotics Sportster 28800. It's a great card and has worked very reliably for me over a couple of years now. One thing to keep in mind is that your choice of card should depend somewhat on where you plan to be calling. Modems are pretty variable in how they interconnect with modems of different brands. I tried a couple of different modems before settling on the one I currently use; I gave up the previous choices because they wouldn't make reliable connections to my dial-in service. I ended up choosing the USR modem because all of the modems at our service are also made by USR. So, if you plan to call mostly to one place, you might want to find out what kinds of modems they use and buy that brand. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 16:42:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA090389754; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:42:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20218; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:41:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:39:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19970; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:39:13 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19955; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:39:08 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA173493; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:38:38 GMT Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 20:38:38 GMT Message-Id: <199609292038.UAA173493@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip129-37-178-88.bc.ca.ibm.net(129.37.178.88) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaO5ADe7; Sun Sep 29 20:38:31 1996 X-Sender: szivos@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: From: Geza Szivos Subject: Re: RAM prices for TP760CD? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu I was happy with the ChipMerchant, www.chipmerchant.com Make sure that you tell them three times that it goes ti IBM ThinkPad 760CD. Two months ago I payed 210 US$ with 22US$ for shipping & handling to Canada. If you call them be prepared to wait 10 minutes on hold on the phone. They delived it in two days, I popped it to my TP and VisualAge was much faster :=) Geza (Using OS/2 on TP760CD-120 with 40M RAM, looking for an additional HD) At 01:12 AM 9/29/96 +1000, you wrote: >G'day one and all, > >So who can point me to a good supplier of RAM for my ThinkPad? > >I am looking for a 16MB EDO SO DIMM module to suit my 760CD. Prices, availability, and >recommendations re: reputable suppliers. > > > >/************************************************/ >/* | Scuba Diving: */ >/* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ >/* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ >/************************************************/ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 18:36:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA103566603; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:36:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27785; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:27:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27628; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:25:48 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27607; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:25:44 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup-8-2.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.190]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id SAA17764 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0b26.32.19960929182529.00c9c98c@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b26 (32) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:25:42 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Industrial Computer Liquidators phone number? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought a TP701C hard drive from them, but I lost their phone number... Does anybody has it? Thanks in advance. -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 18:43:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA104417006; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:43:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28774; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:40:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:38:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28658; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:38:36 -0400 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (yangcx@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28643; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 18:38:25 -0400 Received: (from yangcx@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) id RAA24253; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:38:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 17:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Jimmy C. Yang" To: Yann Nicolas Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Industrial Computer Liquidators phone number? In-Reply-To: <3.0b26.32.19960929182529.00c9c98c@jrn.columbia.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please look it up in my homepage at: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~yangcx/ It's in there somewhere, but I forgot it, too. =) On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Yann Nicolas wrote: > I bought a TP701C hard drive from them, but I lost their phone number... > Does anybody has it? > > Thanks in advance. > -- > Yann Nicolas > Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University > yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 19:58:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA113761528; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:58:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03187; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:58:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:55:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02910; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:55:11 -0400 Received: from mail3.voicenet.com (mail3.voicenet.com [207.103.0.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02904; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:55:09 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by mail3.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA15707; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ryojusen.voicenet.com (philly213.voicenet.com [207.103.16.112]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA16162; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: alans@voicenet.com Message-Id: <324F0C17.55E80E5D@voicenet.com> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 19:53:59 -0400 From: Alan Sukiennik X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.21 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Finkelstein Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755C, modems, and Linux References: <199609291242.IAA47062@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adam Finkelstein wrote: > > Hello. Using a 755C and getting ready to install a version of Linux. > Realize that MWAVE and Linux are not compatible. Would like feedback from > Linux users on PCMCIA modems or external modems--ones that work with > Linux. Will also be using Windoze95, and an IBM type II PCMCIA ethernet > adaptor (if possible). > > I'll gladly summarize if you mail me, or mail to the list, whatever you > feel like. > > thanks, > Adam > -- > _________________ > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu I use USR 28.8 card with Linux. It works great. In fact the performance/throughput of this modem is much higher under Linux than under M$ OS's. When I boot Win95, I take the card out (actually, just unplug it) and use the MWave thing, as it makes noise too ;) Best, -Alan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Sep 29 23:45:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA156605100; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:45:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20795; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:43:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:39:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20355; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:39:25 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (cummings@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20341; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:39:18 -0400 Received: (from cummings@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA15211; Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:38:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:38:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Cummings X-Sender: cummings@netcom17 To: Alan Sukiennik Cc: Adam Finkelstein , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755C, modems, and Linux In-Reply-To: <324F0C17.55E80E5D@voicenet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Alan Sukiennik wrote: > I use USR 28.8 card with Linux. It works great. In fact the > performance/throughput of this modem is much higher under Linux > than under M$ OS's. > > When I boot Win95, I take the card out (actually, just unplug it) > and use the MWave thing, as it makes noise too ;) > Why take it out when booting Win95?? just go into the modem in Device Manager under general and disable it in the device usage box. Works for me. ________________________________________________________________________ Michael Cummings at home, feet up in | Pyramid OSx MIS-12 Columbia, MD. Internet cummings@netcom.com | Systems Admin. Washington DC. "A radio wasteland"... |---------------------------- I Want My W G T B Back!!! |My other op-system is Linux! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ He will live on in our hearts, Jerry Garcia. 1942 - 1995. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 06:03:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA218627805; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:03:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25293; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 06:01:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 05:58:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25031; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 05:58:00 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net (mail.germany.eu.net [192.76.144.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25001; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 05:57:51 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59+:27/EUnetD-2.6.0.d) via EUnet id JAA19538; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:42:26 +0100 Received: by yoshiwara.Germany.EU.net (5.59:8/EUnetDlan-1.24-1.2.10) via EUnet id KAA23018; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:42:39 +0200 Sender: Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) Cc: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755C, modems, and Linux References: Reply-To: Michael Huehne From: Michael Huehne Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: 30 Sep 1996 10:42:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu's message of Sun, 29 Sep 96 14:04 EDT Message-Id: Lines: 56 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.40/Emacs 19.34 >>>>> "Chris" == Chris Hanson writes: Adam> From: Adam Finkelstein Date: Sun, Adam> 29 Sep 1996 08:42:36 +22324924 (EDT) Adam> Hello. Using a 755C and getting ready to install a version Adam> of Linux. Realize that MWAVE and Linux are not Adam> compatible. Would like feedback from Linux users on PCMCIA Adam> modems or external modems--ones that work with Linux. Will Adam> also be using Windoze95, and an IBM type II PCMCIA ethernet Adam> adaptor (if possible). Chris> I am also using a 755C -- which doesn't have mwave, by the way Chris> -- and I use a US Robotics Sportster 28800. It's a great card Chris> and has worked very reliably for me over a couple of years Chris> now. Chris> One thing to keep in mind is that your choice of card should Chris> depend somewhat on where you plan to be calling. Modems are Chris> pretty variable in how they interconnect with modems of Chris> different brands. I tried a couple of different modems before Chris> settling on the one I currently use; I gave up the previous Chris> choices because they wouldn't make reliable connections to my Chris> dial-in service. I ended up choosing the USR modem because Chris> all of the modems at our service are also made by USR. Chris> So, if you plan to call mostly to one place, you might want to Chris> find out what kinds of modems they use and buy that brand. Hi there, I am using a USR WorldPort PCMCIA Modem in combination with a 3c589 ethernet adaptor in my TP755C without any problems ... Hmmm, stop ... there was one litte problem: Depending of your Linux-Distribution you might need to add 5 to 10 sleep seconds at the end of the batchfile starting the PCMCIA Services. If the time ist missing you might get some problems with the batch file starting TCP/IP, because the PCMCIA devices might need some additional time to initialize. The rest works out of the box for me. (dynamic IP & PPP & Terminalemulation) -- Freundliche Grüße, Best regards, Michael Hühne ==================================== Michael Hühne = ____ = Lt. technische Vertriebsunterstützung = / / / ___ ___ _/_ = Email: Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net = /---- / / / / /___/ / = EUnet Deutschland GmbH = /____ /___/ / / /___ / = Emil-Figge-Str. 80 === === D-44227 Dortmund Germany === Connecting Europe since 1982 === Tel.: +49/231/972-1071 Fax.: -1122 #include From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 10:10:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA242292627; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:10:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14262; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:08:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:03:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13773; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:03:50 -0400 Received: from icicle.winternet.com (adm@icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13739; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:03:46 -0400 Received: (from adm@localhost) by icicle.winternet.com (8.7.5/8.7.5) id JAA29729 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:03:28 -0500 (CDT) Posted-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:03:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from www.harmonic.com(206.146.220.2) by icicle.winternet.com via smap (V2.0a1) id xma029668; Mon, 30 Sep 96 09:03:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0b24.32.19960930085946.006d1f74@mail.winternet.com> X-Sender: tjs@mail.winternet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0b24 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 08:59:48 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ted Sanft Subject: Unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unsubscribe I know this is the wrong way to unsubscribe, but I lost the directions and have never seen the majordomo address published in the group. 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Ted Sanft Sr. Systems Engineer Harmonic Systems Inc. tjs@winternet.com tsanft@harmonic.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 11:51:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA259728698; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:51:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26219; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:50:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:38:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25033; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:38:02 -0400 Received: from mail3.voicenet.com (mail3.voicenet.com [207.103.0.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25023; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:37:55 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by mail3.voicenet.com (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id LAA01891; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from philly229.voicenet.com (philly229.voicenet.com [207.103.16.128]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA03914; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by philly229.voicenet.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BBAEC3.BA4E73E0@philly229.voicenet.com>; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:37:15 -0400 Message-Id: <01BBAEC3.BA4E73E0@philly229.voicenet.com> From: Alan Sukiennik To: Alan Sukiennik , "'Michael Cummings'" Cc: Adam Finkelstein , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 755C, modems, and Linux Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:10:37 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Michael Cummings Sent: Sunday, September 29, 1996 11:38 PM To: Alan Sukiennik Cc: Adam Finkelstein; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755C, modems, and Linux On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Alan Sukiennik wrote: > I use USR 28.8 card with Linux. It works great. In fact the > performance/throughput of this modem is much higher under Linux > than under M$ OS's. >=20 > When I boot Win95, I take the card out (actually, just unplug it)=20 > and use the MWave thing, as it makes noise too ;) >=20 Why take it out when booting Win95??=20 just go into the modem in Device Manager under general and disable it in = the device usage box. Works for me.=20 I personally find it much simpler to press a little blue button on the = side and loosen the card up on the way out of Linux, and, in reverse, = just press it back into place on the way in. Your mileage may vary.. -Alan __________________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 14:02:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA289226519; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 14:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08696; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:59:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08161; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:53:36 -0400 Received: from apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu (apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.18.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08154; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:53:33 -0400 Received: from war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu by apocalypse.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Dec94-0213PM) id AA08335; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:53:22 -0400 From: "M. Arifi Koseoglu" Received: by war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/08Jul96-1245PM) id AA18549; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:55:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:55:36 -0400 Message-Id: <9609301755.AA18549@war.dmi.stevens-tech.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 701CS + Win311 + 32 Bit disk access Reply-To: arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu Hello, I have upgraded the factory-installed Windows 3.1 on my THinkpad 701CS to WFWG 3.11 and now want to use 32 bit DISK access (I am already using 32 bit FILE access). Has anyone here encountered problems with that ? For example what happens when the BIOS spins the disk down to save energy etc ? Any conflicts - things to watch out for - any horror stories ? Thanks in advance, Arifi -- Arifi Koseoglu arifi@dmi.stevens-tech.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 15:41:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA015302503; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:41:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20444; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:40:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:37:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20049; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:37:04 -0400 Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20043; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 15:36:56 -0400 Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu (tarski.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA13341; Mon, 30 Sep 96 09:36:40 HST Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01269; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:36:53 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199609301936.JAA01269@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Using 701c as (not _with_!) an external modem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 30 Sep 96 9:36:51 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Every so often it would be useful to use my 701c as an external modem - by this I mean, I'd like to plug another computer into the 701c, connect the 701c to a phone line, and then run a comms program on the other computer. To do this I assume that I have to (1) disconnect the second (non-modem) serial port from the mouse/trackpoint and infrared devices, and (2) write a short program to pass characters back and forth between com1 and com2. Presumably I can do (1) in the -1 menus. I'm a little worried about (2), since the commercial communications programs seem to take stronger control of the ports than just polling the interrupt levels. This would imply that the tiny program I have in mind won't be reliable at high speeds. Can anyone give me any advice here? Has anyone done what I'm trying to do? Best yet, is there already software out there (perhaps a DOS port-redirection command I don't know about) that will do this? Thanks in advance, - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 16:34:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA023795681; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:34:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26083; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:32:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:30:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25621; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:29:58 -0400 Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (unIDENTified@Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25604; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:29:52 -0400 Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-3 #9830) id <01IA3AM366QO9X3PRV@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:29:43 MST Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 13:22:04 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Using 701c as (not _with_!) an external modem In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Mon, 30 Sep 1996 09:36:51 -1000 (HST)" <199609301936.JAA01269@tarski.hawaii.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IA3AYNNXNC9X3PRV@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > Presumably I can do (1) in the -1 menus. I'm a little worried > about (2), since the commercial communications programs seem to take > stronger control of the ports than just polling the interrupt levels. > This would imply that the tiny program I have in mind won't be reliable > at high speeds. This would best be done as a device driver, although I don't know PCs well enough to say exactly how. I can do this on my PDP-11s with a driver that's supplied with the operating system though. It works ok up to 19.2kb but then the CPU only has an 18 MHz clock too. I'd expect the typical Thinkpad would do better as they are much faster. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 19:06:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA045264767; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:06:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12315; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:04:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:01:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12062; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:01:07 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12041; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:00:57 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:00:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960930230034.006a9c68@129.13.95.1> X-Sender: ui2k@129.13.95.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 19:00:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: TP701 Win95 DOS-Box scramble gone! Hi Y'All! I don't know precisely what I did, but my TP701cs doesn't scramble the screen anymore when I open a DOS-Box or one is opened by a DOS-Selfextractor... I run Win95 at 16bit-color, which is (was!) the only mode with this problem, I believe. The only thing I did I can think of is a new version of Active-X, version 2, that came with this free screensaver-pack from Microsoft, something with transforming bio-thingies or so - I don't know because I had to abort after updating Active-X and before installing the screensaver due to diskspace problems (340MB disk - still...). I know that MS uses such giveaway toys for silent updates - and the Active-X drivers _do_ update the regular videodrivers, in some cases, too. Yippie! Now the only thing that bothers me is my modem _still_ disconnecting after 5 minutes until the modem is (physically) hot enough - that takes 10 to 15 minutes with the 'pad on my bed's comforter... And yes, I believe I've tried every trick mentioned in this list except EasyServ... Just wanted to share the good news! Greets, Axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Sep 30 20:45:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.4/16.2) id AA057370714; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:45:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20722; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:44:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20520; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:42:05 -0400 Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp3.netcom.com [163.179.3.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20512; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 20:41:55 -0400 Received: from magnet.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id QAA21853; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 16:04:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199609302304.QAA21853@netcomsv.netcom.com> Date: 30 Sep 1996 15:52:27 -0700 From: "Gary Wolfe" Subject: internal modems To: "thinkpad users" internal modems Hello, I have a 760C notebook running Linux, what brand of PCMCIA modem will work the best. As I understand it, the internal modem will not work with Linux. Also, if you know of a good CD-ROM which will work well with the 760C, I have heard that most CD-ROMS don't like the 760C. Gary Wolfe