From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 00:35:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096330552; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:35:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03998; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03621; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03609; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infinia ([12.65.131.195]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23201 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:31:54 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: Subject: Wanting info on TP701C Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:38:34 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19971001043138.AAA23201@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu After looking at the various notebooks, subnotebooks, and H/PCs, I've finally decided what I really need is the TP701. The problem is in finding one and finding out what one of these will really do in terms of everyday functionality with windows 95 and attendant software. The spec seem to indicate that with a proper upgrade of RAM this little notebook should do everything I need it to short of full blown video conferencing. Therefore, I'd like to join your mailing list to find out more about these elegant machines Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 00:35:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096360553; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:35:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04003; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03654; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03638; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 00:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infinia ([12.65.131.195]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23297 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 04:32:12 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: Subject: Wanting info on TP701C Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 23:38:34 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19971001043157.AAA23297@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu After looking at the various notebooks, subnotebooks, and H/PCs, I've finally decided what I really need is the TP701. The problem is in finding one and finding out what one of these will really do in terms of everyday functionality with windows 95 and attendant software. The spec seem to indicate that with a proper upgrade of RAM this little notebook should do everything I need it to short of full blown video conferencing. Therefore, I'd like to join your mailing list to find out more about these elegant machines Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 01:10:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106412608; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:10:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07281; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:09:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07205; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07138; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kenavo.fi (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA04740; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:08:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from chipie.kenavo.fi by kenavo.fi (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.18/(3.0sos) id AA0344; Wed, 01 Oct 97 08:08:06 +0300 Message-Id: <9710010508.AA0344@kenavo.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 08:08:05 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19971001043138.AAA23201@infinia> Cc: "Stanley Chen" Subject: Re: Wanting info on TP701C X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.36 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 at 11 you, "Stanley Chen" , said: >After looking at the various notebooks, subnotebooks, and H/PCs, I've >finally decided what I really need is the TP701. The problem is in >finding one and finding out what one of these will really do in terms of >everyday functionality with windows 95 and attendant software. The spec >seem to indicate that with a proper upgrade of RAM this little notebook >should do everything I need it to short of full blown video conferencing. >Therefore, I'd like to join your mailing list to find out more about >these elegant machines There's a lot of information about the TP701 on the web. Here is a very good starter: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/butterfly/ Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 02:33:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131577607; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:33:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14479; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:32:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14397; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14341; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 02:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA02650; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29881; Wed, 1 Oct 97 01:52:32 EDT Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 01:52:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@mak To: Stanley Chen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wanting info on TP701C In-Reply-To: <19971001043138.AAA23201@infinia> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Stanley Chen wrote: > > After looking at the various notebooks, subnotebooks, and H/PCs, I've > finally decided what I really need is the TP701. The problem is in finding > one and finding out what one of these will really do in terms of everyday > functionality with windows 95 and attendant software. The spec seem to > indicate that with a proper upgrade of RAM this little notebook should do > everything I need it to short of full blown video conferencing. Therefore, > I'd like to join your mailing list to find out more about these elegant > machines The most important thing is that it's not a Pentium, and you're not going to be able to upgrade it to get Pentium-like performance. I'd say it's adequate for Win95 and MS Office, but it's no speed demon. If you're used to P166 or P200 speeds, it may be unbearably slow. That said, since you've doubtless read the good things IBM and Ziff Davis has to say about it, here are some of the bad things. Battery life is short. A little over an hour with the NiCd, two to two and a half hours with the NiMH. The machine will not recharge the battery while it is off - it must be on or suspended (hibernated counts as off). And it gets pretty hot while recharging. The keyboard is flimsy. That's not to say that it's bad, but because it expands you have a tendency to try to pick the machine up by the keyboard. I've decided this is a bad thing to do. Also, because the keyboard is two pieces, the trackpoint is not as solidly mounted as on other Thinkpads. The area around the hinges is susceptible to cracking. Win95 is brain-dead and doesn't halt the CPU when it's idle. This makes the base rather hot to keep on your lap (as well as diminishing battery life). This is not a problem with Linux and I hear OS/2. Dunno about NT. The hard drive is removable but uses a proprietary connector. Be prepared to spend $$$ if you want another hard drive. The modem has been plagued with problems and often disconnects under heavy load. There are a couple settings you can change to make it more stable, but you're best off getting a PCMCIA modem. The multiport can break easily if you're not careful. There's a plastic pin to hold it against the machine, and several people have broken it. The TFT is not as bright as most TFTs on the market. Several people have compared it to DSTN screens in terms of brightness (but ghosting is nonexistant). The up/down viewing angle is not as great as most TFTs either. The headphone jack is plagued with static. It is usable, but don't expect CD clarity. I suspect it was designed for use on airplanes, where you wouldn't be able to hear the static. :-) The video in 16M color mode is... not quite clear. As I understand it, the video chipset wasn't originally designed to do 16M color, but IBM figured out a way to do it. I tried the mode on two external monitors and it only worked on one. The TFT can only show 32k colors though so I just run it at that color depth. It has so many I/O devices that with the multiport attached, it's impossible to assign a different interrupt to each one. Ok, enough of the bad news. Here are some of the lesser known neat features. It's small and cute. But you already knew that. :-) The power management tools are built into the BIOS - no loading special programs or floundering without drivers if you use an OS that IBM doesn't support (i.e. Linux). The AC adapter is about the size of a deck of cards, has flip-up prongs, and is dual voltage. Very portable. The Soundblaster emulation works. No fiddling with drivers like with MWave. The modem is advertised as 14.4, but it also supports V.Terbo, a 19.2 standard most modems support. And I'm considering selling mine. Now that I'm out of school I'm finding I almost never need a portable. I should decide by mid-October. Mine is a DX4/75, 720MB HD, 24MB RAM (16MB DIMM added), TFT, NiMH (two batteries), 1 year left in warranty this November. I also have PCMCIA ethernet and SCSI cards, and a portable 4x SCSI CD-ROM drive. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 10:27:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261206036; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:27:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00969; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:22:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00718; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00675; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts16.loop.net (p12.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.27]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA11059; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 07:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011421.HAA11059@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Interrante" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:59:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help: Debian Linux installation on ThinkPad 760EL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 29 Sep 1997 22:16:24 -0700, John Interrante wrote: >I am trying to install Debian Linux 1.3.1 from the official two-CD set >(ordered from Cheap*Bytes) on my ThinkPad 760EL. My problem is that >once I start the Linux installation process (i.e., when DOS stops >running and Linux install starts running), Linux will no longer read >my internal 6x CD-ROM drive successfully. It knows the drive's there >since I see > >/dev/hdb: > >go by when Linux starts up, but I get lots and lots of > >/dev/hdb: status=0x???? (I can't remember) > >and other error messages whenever I switch from screen to screen in >the Linux installation. When I get to the point where it asks me to >select the media from which to install the Linux base system and >packages, I select /dev/hdb and hit return but I see these error >messages again and then I'm back where I started again with no way to >make progress. > >Note, I have tried floppy=thinkpad already, as in > >loadlin.exe linux root=/dev/ram ro initrd=root.bin floppy=thinkpad > >but it didn't help. Neither did saying hdb=cdrom. > >If anybody has any idea what is going on, please tell me. Otherwise, >I'll have to copy the whole CD to my hard disk and try to install >Linux from there. > >Thanks, > > John > I don't remember the device name, but I think there may be a seperate one for IDE CD-ROMs, just as with SCSI, there is SDA (hard drives) and SCD (cd-roms). I just got an IDE CD-ROM, so maybe someday I will try it on a Linux machine, but I primarily plan to install OS/2 Warp 3 Connect on it. Also, some CD-ROMs may be initialized by loadable drivers that I think are specified in the rc.d file (which is like OS/2's config.sys in significance. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 11:25:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281469551; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:25:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08522; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:23:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08357; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08345; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts16.loop.net (p12.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.27]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA16273 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710011523.IAA16273@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 08:24:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Backup options Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anybody know if there is some way I can backup one of my HPFS partitions to a DAT tape or something like that, with only PCMCIA or parallel to use. Viewing the long filenames is also a must. TIA. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 13:22:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024346522; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:22:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15773; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:17:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15434; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15333; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA15979; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:14:56 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199710011714.TAA15979@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 20:14:19 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710011523.IAA16273@stevie.loop.com> Cc: "Paul Khoury" Subject: Re: Backup options X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.36 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 at 08 you, "Paul Khoury" , said: >Does anybody know if there is some way I can backup one >of my HPFS partitions to a DAT tape or something like that, >with only PCMCIA or parallel to use. Viewing the long filenames is also >a must. TIA. I use an Adaptec SlimSCSI (APA-1460) PCMCIA adapter and an external Iomega SCSI JAZ drive. Together with the NEWDASD drivers, I can format the whole 1 GB with HPFS with no problem. This works like a champ with my ThinkPad 701 (I had to add this in order for this thread to be remotely on subject ...). Follow up by private email, lest you want to be flamed yet another time :-) Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 13:37:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030197457; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:37:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16579; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:34:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16416; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n02.cac.psu.edu (r02a02.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16402; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 89171.hbg.psu.edu (89171.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.89.171]) by r02n02.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA102626 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:34:04 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971001132809.006a04b4@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:28:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Kim's Commentary on TP701s In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John Kim has an excellent commentary about the virtures & lacks thereof of the TP701. I'll agree with all of 'em based on my 2-yr+ experience with one. Withall, I like my 701. It is cute . BUT.... One thing I would add. Background: My 701 is 486/75, 24 megs of ram, TFT screen, 720 megs of hard drive. My addendum: the machine is SLOWWWW when running MS Office 97 apps under Win95. There are noticeable lags when entering data into Excel spreadsheets, text into Word documents, etc. A second or two, seems like, Enough to be noticeable. These apps need a pentium processor! My 701 has been reliable. No failures/problems that have required returning machine for repair. But overall, I have to recognize that it's a 3-4 year-old design, and the software coming along now is outpacing it. Sure wish I could upgrade it with a pentium processor. BobM Penn State Harrisburg Middletown PA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 14:18:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046449907; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:18:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18984; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:15:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18767; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18740; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03277; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:13:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Backup options In-Reply-To: <199710011523.IAA16273@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anybody know if there is some way I can backup one > of my HPFS partitions to a DAT tape or something like that, > with only PCMCIA or parallel to use. Viewing the long filenames > is also a must. TIA. I use Back Again/2 Pro on my desktop to back up my OS/2 system to my Wangtek 6200HS DAT. I like it. The compression ratios and buffer sizes can be customized which I find useful. Just use it with an OS/2 supported SCSI adapter like the Adaptec products and it'll do fine. I have tried Novaback and Backmaster and found them both to be lacking IMHO. Any ideas for a good Win95 long file name supporting backup program to use with my 6200HS DAT drive? the one that comes with Adaptec EZ-SCSI 4.1 claims my tapes are always wrie protected. I am getting by for now by copying the entire Windows boot drive to a CDRW disc. I can restore with a plain old mass xcopy. =) I'd rather use my DAT though. CDRW discs are expensive and don't hold enough. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 16:14:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090226863; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:14:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27723; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:59:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26728; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26664; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA02703; Wed, 1 Oct 97 09:58:44 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03302; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:06 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00880; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:16 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710011959.JAA00880@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Kim's Commentary on TP701s To: rfm@psu.edu (Robert Munzenrider) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 9:59:15 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971001132809.006a04b4@email.psu.edu>; from "Robert Munzenrider" at Oct 1, 97 1:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > One thing I would add. Background: My 701 is 486/75, 24 megs of ram, TFT > screen, 720 megs of hard drive. My addendum: the machine is SLOWWWW when > running MS Office 97 apps under Win95. There are noticeable lags when > entering data into Excel spreadsheets, text into Word documents, etc. A > second or two, seems like, Enough to be noticeable. These apps need a > pentium processor! Don't blame the 701 here - my P133 TP560 is slower on Office '97 than my 701 was on Office '95. (Especially noticeable on graphics stuff, like Publisher.) MS is the real culprit. I think the lags you're seeing have to do with memory usage - the apps are loading modules when you start typing (say into Excel). Make sure too that you have the performance settings (System Properties/Performance/File System/ Hard disk) set to "Network server" (instead of the default) in W95 or else your memory won't be used efficientle and the system will be swapping to disk too much. The 701 has remarkably fast HD and video for the class of machine it is. (BTW, Mr. Kim's remarks about the video quality of the 701 should be qualified - of the 4 701 TFT screens I had, 2 were noticeably superior to the other 2; I think IBM used 2 different suppliers. I don't think the better ones were much inferior to any other TFT screens I've seen, and all were clearly superior to even the best DSTN screens. Perhaps he has the lesser of the 2 makes on his 701.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 16:30:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095967799; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:29:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29120; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:25:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28907; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28872; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27856; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07314; Wed, 1 Oct 97 16:33:01 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA05987; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:33:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:33:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: David Ross Cc: Robert Munzenrider , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Kim's Commentary on TP701s In-Reply-To: <199710011959.JAA00880@tarski.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Ross wrote: > > (BTW, Mr. Kim's remarks about the video quality of the 701 should be qualified - > of the 4 701 TFT screens I had, 2 were noticeably superior to the other 2; > I think IBM used 2 different suppliers. > I don't think the better ones were much inferior to any other TFT screens I've > seen, and all were clearly superior to even the best DSTN screens. Perhaps he has > the lesser of the 2 makes on his 701.) I'm pretty sure I have the better TFT. The original 701 had the TFT mounted high on the lid (TFT close to the top). The later 701 had the TFT mounted low (TFT close to the hinge). Mine is the later variety, and it definitely was dimmer than the TP760 TFTs I've seen. It's all subjective anyway. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 16:36:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098908204; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:36:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29482; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29236; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29214; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA02846; Wed, 1 Oct 97 10:30:09 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03485; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:30:31 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00932; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:30:41 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710012030.KAA00932@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Kim's Commentary on TP701s To: kim@mak.com (John Kim) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 10:30:41 HST Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu, rfm@psu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "John Kim" at Oct 1, 97 4:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm pretty sure I have the better TFT. The original 701 had the > TFT mounted high on the lid (TFT close to the top). The later > 701 had the TFT mounted low (TFT close to the hinge). Mine is > the later variety, and it definitely was dimmer than the TP760 > TFTs I've seen. All 4 of my screens were in the same place. One major difference was that on the better ones, the brightness control actually worked (while it did nothing on the worse ones). While my 701 was not quite as bright as the display on my Micron, and was markedly dimmer than that on my wife's TI (which is so bright that it sometimes can't be turned *down* enough!) it was still in the same general ballpark, certainly when compared to DS screens. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 18:22:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135934523; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:22:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04726; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04349; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aus-e.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-e.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04331; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:14:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from 701c (s04-pm17.snwestsac.campus.mci.net [208.155.130.183]) by aus-e.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09824 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3432CA3A.2FBAAE36@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:10:02 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: TP701 and Faxworks (Windows) question X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I use the Faxworks for Windows program preinstalled on the 701. It works well in conjunction with the 701 internal modem, except for one problem. Though there is a setup screen ("Credit Card Dialing Setup") for entering phone calling card info , I've never been able to get it to fax out using a calling card sequence. Has anyone on this list had any success with this? Is there a version of this program later than 3.00f.044? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 18:42:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142925720; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:42:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05845; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:38:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05626; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05605; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA01243; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012237.PAA01243@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Robert Munzenrider" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:38:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Kim's Commentary on TP701s Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:28:09 -0400, Robert Munzenrider wrote: >John Kim has an excellent commentary about the virtures & lacks thereof of >the TP701. I'll agree with all of 'em based on my 2-yr+ experience with >one. Withall, I like my 701. It is cute . BUT.... > One thing I would add. Background: My 701 is 486/75, 24 megs of ram, TFT >screen, 720 megs of hard drive. My addendum: the machine is SLOWWWW when >running MS Office 97 apps under Win95. There are noticeable lags when >entering data into Excel spreadsheets, text into Word documents, etc. A >second or two, seems like, Enough to be noticeable. These apps need a >pentium processor! Or Microsloth could also design them better, and make them run like UNIX, which is probably the only OS I've seen with the least overhead. > >My 701 has been reliable. No failures/problems that have required >returning machine for repair. But overall, I have to recognize that it's >a 3-4 year-old design, and the software coming along now is outpacing it. >Sure wish I could upgrade it with a pentium processor. > You actually can upgrade to a 586, a 486 class processor with faster than Pentium speed, but it voids the warranty. I think that above all though, RAM would make things smoother. Just my 2 cents. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 18:46:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144595998; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:46:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06303; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05862; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05574; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA01185; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012236.PAA01185@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tdwis@ibm.net" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:25:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 and Faxworks (Windows) question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:10:02 -0700, tdwis@ibm.net wrote: ... >Is there a version of this program later than 3.00f.044? > And I have noticed that you can't change the voice quality from 4 KHz. Is there any way to get a better quality? Also, has anyone got Faxworks to work in OS/2 Warp 4.0's WIN-OS/2? I'm almost tempted to install this copy of Warp Connect I have sitting next to me. Paul Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 18:46:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144605998; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:46:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06346; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:42:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05897; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05877; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA01658; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012241.PAA01658@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Kim" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:42:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Kim's Commentary on TP701s Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:33:18 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Ross wrote: >> >> (BTW, Mr. Kim's remarks about the video quality of the 701 should be qualified - >> of the 4 701 TFT screens I had, 2 were noticeably superior to the other 2; >> I think IBM used 2 different suppliers. >> I don't think the better ones were much inferior to any other TFT screens I've >> seen, and all were clearly superior to even the best DSTN screens. Perhaps he has >> the lesser of the 2 makes on his 701.) I don't know, since nearly all of IBM's LCDs seem to be from Sharp, who is a leading supplier of LCDs. I also know, however, that NEC make them, and IBM AND Toshiba co-operate an LCD manafacturing plant in Japan (the last I heard). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 18:48:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA145296139; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:48:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06030; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:39:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05700; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05685; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86073-2>; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:39:22 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id AAA16563 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:35:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:34:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Help: Debian Linux installation on ThinkPad 760EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > On 29 Sep 1997 22:16:24 -0700, John Interrante wrote: > > >I am trying to install Debian Linux 1.3.1 from the official two-CD set > >(ordered from Cheap*Bytes) on my ThinkPad 760EL. My problem is that > > > I don't remember the device name, but I think there may be a seperate > one for IDE CD-ROMs, just as with SCSI, there is SDA (hard drives) and SCD No, /dev/hdb is correct for this machine. The TP760EL has only one EIDE controller, and the CD drive is the second (slave) device. I must admit I installed Linux via NFS (not having the CD drive yet when installing) so cannot help further. I'd try NFS first before installing off the HD. Since Debian has a normal Linux boot floppy, try using this instead of loadlin. YMMV... I have no idea how the Debian install kernel is configured. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 18:51:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146786292; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:51:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06633; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:45:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06325; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06265; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA01880; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012243.PAA01880@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Robert Munzenrider" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:45:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Kim's Commentary on TP701s Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 1 Oct 97 9:59:15 HST, David Ross wrote: ... >The 701 has remarkably fast HD and video for the class of machine it is. At it's time, the Chips & Technologies 65545 chipset was the fastest for LCDs, and IBM used one of their Travelstar hard drives, rather than their "joe average" 2.5" drives, like in the 360/755 series. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 1 19:02:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150296968; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:02:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07331; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:58:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07126; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07111; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts09.loop.net (p13.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.58]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA03516; Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710012257.PAA03516@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "'ThinkPad List' (E-mail)" , "rponiarski@earthlink.net" Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 15:59:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:58:08 -0400, Richard M. Poniarski wrote: > I have a chance to get a copy of the latest beta of Win 98. I thought >about putting it on my 365XD. Has anyone tried this yet? Are there any >problems? I am particularly interested in converting my disk from FAT16 to >FAT32 to get some space back. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. > Have you looked at Partition Magic? I've never used it, but I hear it can reclaim space back from oversized clusters. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 07:48:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078752927; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:48:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08974; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:44:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08896; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkusua.hku.hk [147.8.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08832; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 07:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hkusua.hku.hk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA22364; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:40:51 +0800 From: lauck@hkusua.hku.hk (Johnny Lau EEE) Message-Id: <199710021140.TAA22364@hkusua.hku.hk> Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD To: ssh@wwsi.com (Steve Hultquist) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:40:50 +0800 (HKT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34313E79.9F88BB95@wwsi.com> from "Steve Hultquist" at Sep 30, 97 12:01:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > There are some fairly serious reliability problems with Win98. I > wouldn't have it as my primary system if I were you. You can get FAT32 > if you grab an OSR2 installation from someone. > -- > Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado > mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ Hi Steve, Would you please elaborate a bit on the reliability of using Win98 on 365XD? Is it a problem of the beta or will it be a fatal one which makes Win98 not the OS for 365XD? Adv--Thanks--ance! Johnny Lau :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Permanent email address: cklau@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : cklau@eee.hku.hk | : cklau@indy41.eee.hku.hk | A MP2000 Newtonian : h8900006@hkusua.hku.hk | : h8900006@hkucc.hku.hk | Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Local BBS : Johnny Lau | Engineering URL http://www.eee.hku.hk/~cklau | The University of Hong Kong ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- printed with 100% recycled electrons --------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 08:31:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089435481; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:31:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10413; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:29:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10336; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10325; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (nas2-11.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.42.111]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id IAA02216; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710021229.IAA02216@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> From: "Andreas Busch" To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 08:28:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: IBM PCMCIA 28.8/14.4 Data/Fax Modem: some questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hallo, I just bought this modem from ONSALE! and after installing it yesterday,= I have some questions that I hope someone on this list can perhaps answer. 1. This was sold to me as a "IBM PCMCIA 33.6 Fax/Modem - Repackaged", th= e manual that comes with the modem, however, gives the speed as 28.8. How do I find out which spe= ed the modem actually supports? 2. After putting it into my TP 760 ED (running Warp 4), I experienced so= me problems: first, I put the machine into resume mode. When I tried to "awaken" it about half an hour= later by pressing the Fn-key, it didn=B4t come up. I had to press the powerswitch, which apparently resul= ted in a cold reboot (lengthy CHKDSK). Looking at the ThinkPad features, I found that the hibernation feature i= s greyed out (although I have used it and a huge Hibernation file sits on my disk). Pressing the "Enable hi= bernation..." button resulted in an error message saying that the machine cannot create a hibernation file w= hile PC card for communication is attached. Why does the modem affect these features? After all, it nee= ds no special drivers since, as is stated on the Warp 4 Online Drivers Page, is supported by the base opera= ting system. I woul be really grateful for any hints in resolving these mysteries. 3. Connecting via PPP works fine with InJoy. Any hints as to what is the= best init-string for this modem for this use? Thanks for all help Andreas ____________________________________________________________ Dr. Andreas Busch abusch@fa= s.harvard.edu Harvard University, Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies ____________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 13:23:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176163018; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:23:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28497; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28299; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28166; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (root@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id KAA09762; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 10:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbs2240 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3) id LAA29752; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:05:49 -0600 (MDT) Sender: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com Message-Id: <3433D46C.58FA@boi.hp.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:05:48 -0600 From: Dean Cashen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD References: <199710012257.PAA03516@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:58:08 -0400, Richard M. Poniarski wrote: > > > I have a chance to get a copy of the latest beta of Win 98. I thought > >about putting it on my 365XD. Has anyone tried this yet? Are there any > >problems? I am particularly interested in converting my disk from FAT16 to > >FAT32 to get some space back. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. > > > Have you looked at Partition Magic? I've never used it, but > I hear it can reclaim space back from oversized clusters. I've used Partion Magic and I highly recommend it. It's stunning how easy it makes repartioning your drive, and it provides cluster optimization to reclaim space. However, it, in and of itself, won't provide support for FAT32 -- you still need Win95 OSR2 (or Win98) to reap the benefits of FAT32. Partion Magic detects if your OS supports FAT32 and if you don't have FAT32 OS support, Partion Magic won't let you convert the disk to FAT32. However, even without FAT32 support, Partition Magic still works wonders to let you partion your drive "on the fly," and allows you to break your disk into smaller partitions that allow reduced cluster sizes; even without FAT32 you can save a LOT of space by re- partioning. In my case, I updated my 760CD to Win95 OSR2 and used Partition Magic to convert my FAT drive to FAT32, and then used it to resize my clusters to (I think) 4K from 32K. On my 1.2GB drive, this process recovered 213MB of space. Groovey. . . ! Regards, Dean Cashen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 14:02:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189475363; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:02:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01587; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:59:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01456; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wymple.gs.net (wymple.gs.net [198.3.156.98]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01442; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from off (wwright.gs.net [204.252.208.209]) by wymple.gs.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA24820 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:59:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199710021759.MAA24820@wymple.gs.net> From: "Grace Episcopal Church" To: Subject: Help on Putting 240 HD in My TP720C Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:54:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings! This is my first post to the digest. Here is my problem. I would appreciate your advice. I have a TP720C. Even though it is becoming something of a dinosaur, it runs Win 3.11 very well and the active matrix screen is still great, though smaller than what's out there now. My machine can with the 160 meg HD. I recently picked up a used 240 HD at a very cheap price. It doesn't seem to be a simple plug in swap. I visited the IBM tech site and noted that there is a special up-graded system board for a 720C with the 240 HD. I am wondering if anyone knows what is involved in making this swap? Do I need to located a used system board? Or, do I have to replace a bios chip or something like that? Does anyone know where the necessary used parts might be located. Thanks in advance for your help, Wayne Wright From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 15:18:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213859892; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:18:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05379; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:15:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05194; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05173; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA05870; Thu, 2 Oct 97 09:14:44 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08431; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:15:05 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01572; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:15:17 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710021915.JAA01572@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA 28.8/14.4 Data/Fax Modem: some questions To: abusch@fas.harvard.edu Date: Thu, 2 Oct 97 9:15:17 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710021229.IAA02216@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu>; from "Andreas Busch" at Oct 2, 97 8:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > 1. This was sold to me as a "IBM PCMCIA 33.6 Fax/Modem - Repackaged", th= > e manual that comes with > the modem, however, gives the speed as 28.8. How do I find out which spe= > ed the modem actually > supports? There is a flash update on the IBM web site, as well as a manual. I can't tell you exactly where, I do know that I ran across them while looking for the comparable stuff for my IBM "International" modem. (If Bryan Daum is still on this list, I think he has your modem.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 15:41:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221901277; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:41:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07072; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:31:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06414; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06251; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts15.loop.net (p17.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.242]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA23838; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710021929.MAA23838@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dean Cashen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:30:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FAT32 WAS Re: Win 98 and 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does FAT32 still provide backward compatibilty with MS-DOS, PC-DOS, and OS/2? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 15:45:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223201526; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:45:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07527; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:42:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07381; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkusua.hku.hk [147.8.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07328; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hkusua.hku.hk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id DAA19314; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:43:05 +0800 From: lauck@hkusua.hku.hk (Johnny Lau EEE) Message-Id: <199710021943.DAA19314@hkusua.hku.hk> Subject: Re: FAT32 WAS Re: Win 98 and 365XD To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 03:43:05 +0800 (HKT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710021929.MAA23838@ritchie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 2, 97 12:30:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does FAT32 still provide backward compatibilty with > MS-DOS, PC-DOS, and OS/2? > > Paul Nope. It's the drawback of using FAT32. I have a couple of games that can only run in pure dos. That's why I cannot part with the old 16bit FAT. -- Johnny Lau :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Permanent email address: cklau@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : cklau@eee.hku.hk | : cklau@indy41.eee.hku.hk | A MP2000 Newtonian : h8900006@hkusua.hku.hk | : h8900006@hkucc.hku.hk | Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Local BBS : Johnny Lau | Engineering URL http://www.eee.hku.hk/~cklau | The University of Hong Kong ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- printed with 100% recycled electrons --------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 15:51:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225331887; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:51:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07064; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:36:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06714; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06702; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts15.loop.net (p17.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.242]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA24073; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:35:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710021935.MAA24073@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Grace Episcopal Church" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 12:37:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help on Putting 240 HD in My TP720C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I visited the IBM tech site and noted that there is a special up-graded >system board for a 720C with the 240 HD. I am wondering if anyone knows >what is involved in making this swap? Do I need to located a used system >board? Or, do I have to replace a bios chip or something like that? Does >anyone know where the necessary used parts might be located. > >Thanks in advance for your help, Wayne Wright > > > The 700 and 720 are Microchannel machines. MCA is really fast, and I like it, but upgrading can be a major hassle. If my memory serves me correct, those machines use ESDI drives which are NOT innerchangable with IDE or EIDE. You may want to opt for an exernal SCSI drive if you need the extra space. Regards, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 17:25:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256227540; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:25:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13190; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:18:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13096; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13085; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-23.usc.edu [128.125.222.95]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id OAA02053; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971002133658.00703ff4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:16:11 -0700 To: Dean Cashen From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:05 AM 10/2/97 -0600, Dean Cashen wrote: >> Have you looked at Partition Magic? I've never used it, but >> I hear it can reclaim space back from oversized clusters. > >I've used Partion Magic and I highly recommend it. It's stunning >how easy it makes repartioning your drive, and it provides cluster >optimization to reclaim space. However, it, in and of itself, >won't provide support for FAT32 -- you still need Win95 OSR2 >(or Win98) to reap the benefits of FAT32. Partion Magic detects >if your OS supports FAT32 and if you don't have FAT32 OS support, >Partion Magic won't let you convert the disk to FAT32. However, >even without FAT32 support, Partition Magic still works wonders >to let you partion your drive "on the fly," and allows you to >break your disk into smaller partitions that allow reduced cluster >sizes; even without FAT32 you can save a LOT of space by re- >partioning. The key feature here, as far as Partition Magic goes, is that it lets you effortlessly "convert" (assuming you have the OS support for it) from FAT16 to FAT32 and back. The only other way I know of to do that is through FDISK--which ain't pretty, given that it destroys you data. In this sense, Partition Magic is quite the godsend (among its many other non-destructive partitioning capabilities). >In my case, I updated my 760CD to Win95 OSR2 and used >Partition Magic to convert my FAT drive to FAT32, and then used >it to resize my clusters to (I think) 4K from 32K. On my 1.2GB >drive, this process recovered 213MB of space. Groovey. . . ! I've had really mixed reaction to this FAT32 stuff. At first, I thought it was great, but I really notice the performance hit it creates. Every machine I've put it on, I have also ended up changing it back to FAT16 sooner or later. I figure the disk space is cheap, so I haven't the need to get chintzy with it. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:15:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271950501; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:15:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15662; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:08:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15541; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15505; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts14.loop.net (p21.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.216]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA28242; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710022206.PAA28242@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dean Cashen" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 15:07:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:16:11 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:05 AM 10/2/97 -0600, Dean Cashen wrote: >>> Have you looked at Partition Magic? I've never used it, but >>> I hear it can reclaim space back from oversized clusters. >> >>I've used Partion Magic and I highly recommend it. It's stunning >>how easy it makes repartioning your drive, and it provides cluster >>optimization to reclaim space. However, it, in and of itself, >>won't provide support for FAT32 -- you still need Win95 OSR2 >>(or Win98) to reap the benefits of FAT32. Partion Magic detects >>if your OS supports FAT32 and if you don't have FAT32 OS support, >>Partion Magic won't let you convert the disk to FAT32. However, >>even without FAT32 support, Partition Magic still works wonders >>to let you partion your drive "on the fly," and allows you to >>break your disk into smaller partitions that allow reduced cluster >>sizes; even without FAT32 you can save a LOT of space by re- >>partioning. > > The key feature here, as far as Partition Magic goes, is that it lets you >effortlessly "convert" (assuming you have the OS support for it) from FAT16 >to FAT32 and back. > > The only other way I know of to do that is through FDISK--which ain't >pretty, given that it destroys you data. In this sense, Partition Magic is >quite the godsend (among its many other non-destructive partitioning >capabilities). > >>In my case, I updated my 760CD to Win95 OSR2 and used >>Partition Magic to convert my FAT drive to FAT32, and then used >>it to resize my clusters to (I think) 4K from 32K. On my 1.2GB >>drive, this process recovered 213MB of space. Groovey. . . ! > > I've had really mixed reaction to this FAT32 stuff. At first, I thought >it was great, but I really notice the performance hit it creates. Every >machine I've put it on, I have also ended up changing it back to FAT16 >sooner or later. I figure the disk space is cheap, so I haven't the need >to get chintzy with it. > Doesn't Partition Magic also convert to HPFS, depending on the version? HPFS seems to be a good choice because of TRUE long file names and a 512 byte cluster size. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:16:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272290572; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:16:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16059; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:13:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15912; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais3.cais.com (cais3.cais.com [199.0.216.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15900; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais3.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA00709; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Randal Whittle Cc: Dean Cashen , pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971002133658.00703ff4@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A word of caution on the resizing of partitians using Partitian Magic. I've used it several time to chop up my hard drive, fromat it for FAT16 and NTFS with no problems at all, almost. As my use of NTFS grows the use of FAT16 for the DOS/WIN3.1 diminishes. Consequently, I used PM to resize the partitians DOS shrank and NT grew. The NT side is without apparant problems, however, DOS side will not boot. Not the worst of problems since I did a full backup and that's the point of this post. PM may be a superb product and I might be inclined to agree but sh*t happens. On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:05 AM 10/2/97 -0600, Dean Cashen wrote: > >> Have you looked at Partition Magic? I've never used it, but > >> I hear it can reclaim space back from oversized clusters. > > > >I've used Partion Magic and I highly recommend it. It's stunning > >how easy it makes repartioning your drive, and it provides cluster > >optimization to reclaim space. However, it, in and of itself, > >won't provide support for FAT32 -- you still need Win95 OSR2 > >(or Win98) to reap the benefits of FAT32. Partion Magic detects > >if your OS supports FAT32 and if you don't have FAT32 OS support, > >Partion Magic won't let you convert the disk to FAT32. However, > >even without FAT32 support, Partition Magic still works wonders > >to let you partion your drive "on the fly," and allows you to > >break your disk into smaller partitions that allow reduced cluster > >sizes; even without FAT32 you can save a LOT of space by re- > >partioning. > > The key feature here, as far as Partition Magic goes, is that it lets you > effortlessly "convert" (assuming you have the OS support for it) from FAT16 > to FAT32 and back. > > The only other way I know of to do that is through FDISK--which ain't > pretty, given that it destroys you data. In this sense, Partition Magic is > quite the godsend (among its many other non-destructive partitioning > capabilities). > > >In my case, I updated my 760CD to Win95 OSR2 and used > >Partition Magic to convert my FAT drive to FAT32, and then used > >it to resize my clusters to (I think) 4K from 32K. On my 1.2GB > >drive, this process recovered 213MB of space. Groovey. . . ! > > I've had really mixed reaction to this FAT32 stuff. At first, I thought > it was great, but I really notice the performance hit it creates. Every > machine I've put it on, I have also ended up changing it back to FAT16 > sooner or later. I figure the disk space is cheap, so I haven't the need > to get chintzy with it. > > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:20:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273340804; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:20:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16584; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:17:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16423; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16411; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts14.loop.net (p21.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.216]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA29118; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710022215.PAA29118@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "rj" Cc: "Dean Cashen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 15:17:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Partition Magic thread Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >A word of caution on the resizing of partitians using Partitian Magic. >I've used it several time to chop up my hard drive, fromat it for FAT16 >and NTFS with no problems at all, almost. As my use of NTFS grows the >use of FAT16 for the DOS/WIN3.1 diminishes. Consequently, I used PM to >resize the partitians DOS shrank and NT grew. The NT side is without >apparant problems, however, DOS side will not boot. Not the worst of >problems since I did a full backup and that's the point of this post. >PM may be a superb product and I might be inclined to agree but >sh*t happens. > Does anyone know if I can use PM to allow me to "see" the "hidden" HPFS partition on my machine again? Would it be able to recreate the partition mapping, or are there OS/2 tools to do this? Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:28:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276111289; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:28:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17260; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:26:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17024; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16994; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-31.usc.edu [128.125.222.103]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id PAA22180; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971002152221.0070b09c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:23:55 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD Cc: "Dean Cashen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:07 PM 10/2/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Doesn't Partition Magic also convert to HPFS, depending >on the version? HPFS seems to be a good choice >because of TRUE long file names and a 512 byte >cluster size. It does--if you're using OS/2. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:28:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276151290; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:28:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17276; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:26:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17086; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17059; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-31.usc.edu [128.125.222.103]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id PAA22185; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971002152350.0070492c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:23:56 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Partition Magic thread Cc: "rj" , "Dean Cashen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:17 PM 10/2/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Does anyone know if I can use PM to allow me to "see" the >"hidden" HPFS partition on my machine again? Would it be able >to recreate the partition mapping, or are there OS/2 tools to do this? I don't know about the partition mapping, but Partition Magic has the ability to "hide" and "unhide" partitions. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:34:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA277871666; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:34:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17792; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:32:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17701; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17615; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts14.loop.net (p21.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.216]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA00939 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710022232.PAA00939@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 15:33:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux on UMSDOS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know how to put Linux on a boot disk, or a small FAT partition, just so I can zip my HPFS stuff from my "hidden" partition, to make backup copies just in case? Or does anyone know if the hard drive in the 701 is a DBA (direct bus attach)? I hooked it up to my desktop, after removing it from the caddy, and it spun up okay, but it was not detected. I also have a DHAA-2270 drive (from my 355C) on the desktop, and it reads fine. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 18:54:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283452845; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:54:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19231; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:52:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19105; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palrel1.hp.com (palrel1.hp.com [156.153.255.235]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18993; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hpbs2240.boi.hp.com (root@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com [15.62.120.180]) by palrel1.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id PAA19983; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:50:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hpbs2240 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hpbs2240.boi.hp.com with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3) id QAA29840; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:46:22 -0600 (MDT) Sender: deanc@hpbs2240.boi.hp.com Message-Id: <3434243D.5147@boi.hp.com> Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:46:21 -0600 From: Dean Cashen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD References: <3.0.32.19971002133658.00703ff4@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle wrote: > > The key feature here, as far as Partition Magic goes, is that it lets you > effortlessly "convert" (assuming you have the OS support for it) from FAT16 > to FAT32 and back. Not only that, but it allows you to split a disk into partitions without data loss. This is particularly helpful on FAT16 systems because you can split a drive into smaller partitions and gain efficiency (space) by making each partition small enough so the cluster size can be reduced (example: A drive that's 1 to 2GB in size requires a 32KB cluster size. Partitioning it down below 1GB, say to 900MB, shrinks the required cluster size down to 16KB. That's what I originally did (via fdisk) to squeeze a bit more use out of my 1.2GB ThinkPad disk, I broke it down into 950MB and ~250MB partitions. I went a step further and compressed the 250MB and used it mainly for file archiving). Partition Magic also does the reclustering for you on the newly-sized partition (it doesn't happen automatically). So, even without OS support of FAT32, you can tweak your drive partitions to gain some room (frankly, I was always struggling for space; 1.2GB ain't much these days). > The only other way I know of to do that is through FDISK--which ain't > pretty, given that it destroys you data. In this sense, Partition Magic is > quite the godsend (among its many other non-destructive partitioning > capabilities). Yep, not having to go through the fdisk hassles was certainly worth the price of PM (I'm gonna start calling it "PM," writing out the full name isn't any more fun ;) [Earlier, I had written]: > >In my case, I updated my 760CD to Win95 OSR2 and used > >Partition Magic to convert my FAT drive to FAT32, and then used > >it to resize my clusters to (I think) 4K from 32K. On my 1.2GB > >drive, this process recovered 213MB of space. Groovey. . . ! > > I've had really mixed reaction to this FAT32 stuff. At first, I thought > it was great, but I really notice the performance hit it creates. Every > machine I've put it on, I have also ended up changing it back to FAT16 > sooner or later. I figure the disk space is cheap, so I haven't the need > to get chintzy with it. While I've read, and understand that there could be a performance ding, I haven't noticed it on the Thinkpad (I use standard PC apps, Word and such, along with graphics editors and some compilers). I'll bet you're doing more disk-intensive work, is that so? Also, I don't think laptop disk space is very cheap yet. Like I said, I was always bumping up against the 1.2GB constraints, so I recently bought a 2.1GB drive (Procom). It cost me almost $600 -- waaaay out of range for a comparable 3.5" disktop disk. I wanted to get their 3.0GB drive, but it was over $800 and I was afraid my boss would club me when I handed him the bill. So, given that laptop HD's are still relatively spendy, I opted to go the FAT32 way on this new drive and did the same partitioning into one large and one small/compressed drive. For the time-being, I'm okay with disk space (but, that won't last long. . .) Dean Cashen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 2 19:30:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294625030; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:30:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21014; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:28:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20788; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20776; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id TAA17567; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:34:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:34:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: rj Cc: Randal Whittle , Dean Cashen , Paul Khoury , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 2nd October 1997, rj wrote: > A word of caution on the resizing of partitians using Partitian Magic... One should make sure to visit the PowerQuest web site to download and apply the appropriate patches to one's copy of Partition Magic before becoming a partition magician. (Usually the patches fix NTFS manipulation problems.) As always, back up what you can't afford to lose. Oh yeah, uh, how about them ThinkPads, eh? Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 01:38:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113437131; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:38:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04465; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04016; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03992; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86041-1>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:33:08 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id HAA19511 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:50:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > Doesn't Partition Magic also convert to HPFS, depending > on the version? HPFS seems to be a good choice > because of TRUE long file names and a 512 byte > cluster size. Oh well while we're at that you can also use an EXT2 filesystem on OS/2. I never used it (having no OS/2 machine and trying to avoid it) but the docs say you can even boot OS/2 off a EXT2 partition. But I'm afraid PM doesn't convert to EXT2... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 01:38:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113487134; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:38:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04468; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03977; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03960; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86033-2>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:33:06 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id HAA19510 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:28:54 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:48:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux on UMSDOS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > Does anyone know how to put Linux on > a boot disk, or a small FAT partition, just You could use a Red Hat or Caldera or whatever boot/Rescue disk and customize it to meet your needs. OTOH, read the UMSDOS-HOWTO, it describes how you can use UMSDOS. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 01:39:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113547141; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:39:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04479; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03993; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03963; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86028-2>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:33:05 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id HAA19509 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 07:28:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:45:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: FAT32 WAS Re: Win 98 and 365XD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > Does FAT32 still provide backward compatibilty with > MS-DOS, PC-DOS, and OS/2? Thank God no! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 01:48:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA116357681; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:48:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05083; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:43:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04861; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04844; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts09.loop.net (p06.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.51]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA16011; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710030543.WAA16011@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Harald Milz" , "hmilz@seneca.muc.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 22:44:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Linux on UMSDOS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:48:00 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: >Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: >> Does anyone know how to put Linux on >> a boot disk, or a small FAT partition, just > >You could use a Red Hat or Caldera or whatever boot/Rescue disk and >customize it to meet your needs. OTOH, read the UMSDOS-HOWTO, it describes >how you can use UMSDOS. > > All I want to do is zip up the long filename files on my HPFS partition, as only Linux can see them. I tried putting the drive on my desktop once, but it doesn't seem to work. Maybe the 701's drive is a DBA (direct bus attach), like the ESDI drives on the PS/2 machines. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 02:06:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123448813; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:06:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05660; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:03:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05486; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05461; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 02:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.39] (SoCal56k139.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.39]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id XAA04192 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:03:14 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 23:03:45 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: U.S.A. Inc.? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A couple months back I received a trade newspaper in the mail called Processor, which is basically a collection of ads targeted to IS managers. It's full of stuff, and in particular I noticed an ad from a company called Universal Sales Agency (USA Inc. 516-932-1400) for a 75H7528 for $65. To the uninformed this might mean little, but to the true TP 365XDer it was bliss. A 75H7528 is the field replacement part for the 365X/D port replicator. I'm not certain even USA was fully saavy to this, and I wasn't sure myself until it arrived and I tried it out. It is the same as the normally $170 IBM part, except no duplicate power supply. (this was two months ago, no idea if they have more). Anybody know of other places like USA, or comments on USA? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 08:21:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220581303; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:21:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24149; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:19:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24045; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24035; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA26642; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:21:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury Cc: Harald Milz , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on UMSDOS In-Reply-To: <199710030543.WAA16011@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 2nd October 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > All I want to do is zip up the long filename files on my HPFS > partition, as only Linux can see them. Have you tried using the OS/2 version of Info-ZIP's Zip and UnZip utilities, saving the archive with an 8.3 name? (Their web site is at http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/ and they support a remarkable number of operating systems.) Chris. PS: ThinkPad ThinkPad ThinkPad. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 11:57:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA286934222; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:57:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05956; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:50:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05754; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05736; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-43.usc.edu [128.125.224.43]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id IAA20667; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971003084151.00701be0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:48:06 -0700 To: Dean Cashen From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:46 PM 10/2/97 -0600, Dean Cashen wrote: >Randal Whittle wrote: >> >> The key feature here, as far as Partition Magic goes, is that it lets you >> effortlessly "convert" (assuming you have the OS support for it) from FAT16 >> to FAT32 and back. > >Not only that, but it allows you to split a disk into partitions >without data loss. This is particularly helpful on FAT16 systems >because you can split a drive into smaller partitions and gain >efficiency (space) by making each partition small enough so the >cluster size can be reduced (example: A drive that's 1 to 2GB in size Err...I thought that goes without saying. That's the main point of Partition Magic to begin with! The rest of this stuff is just icing on the cake. >> I've had really mixed reaction to this FAT32 stuff. At first, I thought >> it was great, but I really notice the performance hit it creates. Every >> machine I've put it on, I have also ended up changing it back to FAT16 >> sooner or later. I figure the disk space is cheap, so I haven't the need >> to get chintzy with it. > >While I've read, and understand that there could be a performance >ding, I haven't noticed it on the Thinkpad (I use standard PC >apps, Word and such, along with graphics editors and some >compilers). I'll bet you're doing more disk-intensive work, is >that so? Hell, just loading up Windows 95 is disk-intensive work! ;-) The machines I've used Fat32 on (and gone back to Fat16 eventually) were all desktops. I never put Fat 32 on my TP560. In general, laptops are a fair bit slower--especially in the HD area--than desktops. So it stands to reason you may not even notice the performance hit on a latptop. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 13:28:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA019849715; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:28:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11297; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:24:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11184; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (phr@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11162; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA21360; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:23:21 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:23:21 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199710031723.KAA21360@netcom13.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: partition magic Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There is also a program called FIPS that lets you non-destructively repartition your disk. It is free and comes with most Linux distributions. It runs under DOS; the idea is you use it to make an empty partition which you then install Linux on. You have to defrag the disk first. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 14:00:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031301621; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:00:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13573; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13386; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13350; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi [206.173.119.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id NAA14634; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:24 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts002d14.sea-wa.concentric.net [206.173.183.50]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.8.7) id NAA01785; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710031757.NAA01785@marconi.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: "Grace Episcopal Church" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:57:10 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Help on Putting 240 HD in My TP720C Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199710021759.MAA24820@wymple.gs.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I too was a previous owner of a 720C, my 1st Thinkpad. If I remember correctly, when I bought my 240MB hd, there was a bios chip that needed to be installed. It came with my hard drive. So I don't know if you have to replace the system board per se, but you definitely needed this bios to support the hard disk type. Just my 2 cents worth. ... patrick > Greetings! This is my first post to the digest. Here is my problem. I > would appreciate your advice. I have a TP720C. Even though it is becoming > something of a dinosaur, it runs Win 3.11 very well and the active matrix > screen is still great, though smaller than what's out there now. > > My machine can with the 160 meg HD. I recently picked up a used 240 HD at a > very cheap price. It doesn't seem to be a simple plug in swap. > > I visited the IBM tech site and noted that there is a special up-graded > system board for a 720C with the 240 HD. I am wondering if anyone knows > what is involved in making this swap? Do I need to located a used system > board? Or, do I have to replace a bios chip or something like that? Does > anyone know where the necessary used parts might be located. > > Thanks in advance for your help, Wayne Wright > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 14:37:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA044013856; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:37:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15307; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:24:41 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15166; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA28642; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07997; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA34478; Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:40:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "[J1K2R1] Le Facteur" <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Reply-To: J1K2R1@bigfoot.com To: David Ross Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: ESS 1688 on 365XD & Videoconfrence In-Reply-To: <199710021915.JAA01572@tarski.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Is anyone getting my msgs? I posted twice and I dont get them back so forgive me if this is like the 3rd time you see this - maybe nobody has the answers to this. - I am trying to setup Internet Phone on my 365XD (ESS1688 chip) to be full duplex. Is this a full duplex chipset? I remember once beeing able to do so but I just did a fresh install and none of the drivers (IBM's WWW,ESS WWW site, Sound Blaster full duplexz) seem to do the trick. Am I missing something? - Is anyone using Nogatech's video on the go (www.nogatech.com) ? Any advice on usable capture board (PCMCIA)/camera combination ? forget about a QuickCam - hate them. Many tx for any advice on these Fabian A. Rodriguez S. - Sherbrooke, QC, Canada Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs - Research Information Systems MagicFab@bigfoot.com - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org - ICQ#1485512 ================================================================================ Visitez le code postal branche completement debile! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 18:12:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118886733; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:12:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28617; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:04:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28244; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maplesoft.on.ca (NS.MAPLESOFT.ON.CA [199.71.183.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28195; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by maplesoft.on.ca via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 3 Oct 1997 22:02:35 UT Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA10924; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:59:40 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199710032159.RAA10924@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: ESS 1688 on 365XD & Videoconfrence To: J1K2R1@bigfoot.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "[J1K2R1] Le Facteur" at Oct 2, 97 03:40:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > - I am trying to setup Internet Phone on my 365XD (ESS1688 chip) to be > full duplex. Is this a full duplex chipset? I remember once beeing able > to do so but I just did a fresh install and none of the drivers (IBM's > WWW,ESS WWW site, Sound Blaster full duplexz) seem to do the trick. Am I > missing something? According to the ESS web page (http://www.esstech.com/), the 1688 is half duplex. tim -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 3 19:56:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151212959; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:55:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01979; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:52:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01838; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01828; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp206.103.mmtl.videotron.net by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA116828; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:45:18 -0400 Received: by ppp206.103.mmtl.videotron.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCD035.E6A2BC00@ppp206.103.mmtl.videotron.net>; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:52:38 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCD035.E6A2BC00@ppp206.103.mmtl.videotron.net> From: Fabian Rodriguez Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: ESS 1688 half or full duplex? Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:52:36 -0400 Encoding: 14 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > According to the ESS web page (http://www.esstech.com/), the 1688 is > half duplex. How funny. The chart at http://www.esstech.com/Product/ISAAudio/isaaudio.htm says its half duplex, yet the technical bried at http://www.esstech.com/Product/ISAAudio/pb1688b.pdf says the opposite. Go figure. -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 4 02:32:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268476768; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:32:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11958; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:29:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11856; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11846; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts00.loop.net (p12.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.27]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA11321; Fri, 3 Oct 1997 23:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710040627.XAA11321@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dean Cashen" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 23:29:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win 98 and 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 03 Oct 1997 08:48:06 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 04:46 PM 10/2/97 -0600, Dean Cashen wrote: >>Randal Whittle wrote: >>> >>> The key feature here, as far as Partition Magic goes, is that it >lets you >>> effortlessly "convert" (assuming you have the OS support for it) from FAT16 >>> to FAT32 and back. >> >>Not only that, but it allows you to split a disk into partitions >>without data loss. This is particularly helpful on FAT16 systems >>because you can split a drive into smaller partitions and gain >>efficiency (space) by making each partition small enough so the >>cluster size can be reduced (example: A drive that's 1 to 2GB in size > > Err...I thought that goes without saying. That's the main point of >Partition Magic to begin with! > > The rest of this stuff is just icing on the cake. > >>> I've had really mixed reaction to this FAT32 stuff. At first, I thought >>> it was great, but I really notice the performance hit it creates. Every >>> machine I've put it on, I have also ended up changing it back to FAT16 >>> sooner or later. I figure the disk space is cheap, so I haven't the need >>> to get chintzy with it. >> >>While I've read, and understand that there could be a performance >>ding, I haven't noticed it on the Thinkpad (I use standard PC >>apps, Word and such, along with graphics editors and some >>compilers). I'll bet you're doing more disk-intensive work, is >>that so? > > Hell, just loading up Windows 95 is disk-intensive work! ;-) You should see Warp 4 with 12MB of RAM. :=> > > The machines I've used Fat32 on (and gone back to Fat16 eventually) were >all desktops. I never put Fat 32 on my TP560. In general, laptops are a >fair bit slower--especially in the HD area--than desktops. So it stands to >reason you may not even notice the performance hit on a latptop. > Actually, the drive in this 701 is supposedly spinning at *only* <5000 RPMs. I think it was like 4900 or 4800. And even worse, the 355/360/755 drives were 3600RPMs. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 4 20:03:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253179806; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:03:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10466; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 20:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:56:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10229; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from suntan.tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10211; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 19:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com by suntan.tandem.com (8.6.12/suntan5.970212) for id QAA14584; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:56:24 -0700 Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA04307; Sat, 4 Oct 97 16:56:08 PDT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:53:57 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCD0E6.1B1E7E50.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona Reply-To: "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: The 560's video capabilities. Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:53:55 -0700 Organization: Tandem Computers X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was going to maybe pick up one of the 1299 560's that are being advertised, and I was wondering. It is the dual scan model, and it says it can only handle 256 colors, now on the 701 this was the same case, but I was about to kick it into higher color depths using quickres. So the question is, has anyone out there who owns a 560 with the dual scan screen been able to kick it into 16 bit color mode at 800x600 or even in 640x480. Thanks! Chris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 02:03:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA062451395; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:03:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18769; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:58:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18638; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18628; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts06.loop.net (p03.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.198]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA28857; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 22:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710050557.WAA28857@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" Date: Sat, 04 Oct 97 22:59:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The 560's video capabilities. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 4 Oct 1997 16:53:55 -0700, Chris DiBona wrote: >I was going to maybe pick up one of the 1299 560's that are being >advertised, and I was wondering. It is the dual scan model, and it says it >can only handle 256 colors, now on the 701 this was the same case, but I >was about to kick it into higher color depths using quickres. So the >question is, has anyone out there who owns a 560 with the dual scan screen >been able to kick it into 16 bit color mode at 800x600 or even in 640x480. > >Thanks! > > Chris > This probably doesn't relate too much, but on my 701, using say 800*600, it uses panning. I sorta do and don't like that. I can however get up to 65,536 colors, though. I don't know if the 560 does 800*600, but that might be the highest it can go if so. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 02:09:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064071770; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:09:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19012; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:06:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18928; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18918; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 02:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA24442 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:05:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 23:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: The 560's video capabilities. In-Reply-To: <199710050557.WAA28857@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 4 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > This probably doesn't relate too much, but on my 701, using say 800*600, it > uses panning. I sorta do and don't like that. I can however get up to 65,536 > colors, though. I don't know if the 560 does 800*600, but that might be the > highest it can go if so. The TP560 display panels are 800x600. I always run at 800x600, 16-bit on my TP560's 12.1" active display. I would suspect that the DSTN version could display at least some significant portion of the 64K colors at once. It wouldn't hurt anything to try it and see. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 06:39:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA137607947; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:39:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02086; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:34:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01911; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01901; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 06:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86053-1>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:33:54 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA25834 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:29:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:52:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: The 560s video capabilities. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Chris DiBona (chrisd@loc201.tandem.com) wrote: > was about to kick it into higher color depths using quickres. So the > question is, has anyone out there who owns a 560 with the dual scan screen > been able to kick it into 16 bit color mode at 800x600 or even in 640x480. As far as I know all 560's come with the 9382 and 9385 chips. You may want to visit the 560 homepage at http://www.arctic.org/~dgaudet/tp560/. Seems the DSTN display itself can only handle 256 colors as opposed to the TFT. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 12:40:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231989603; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:40:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07589; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:36:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07467; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07457; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 12:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86032-2>; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:36:24 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id SAA27109 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:32:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 17:46:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: The 560s video capabilities. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Parker (sparker@torgo.punk.net) wrote: > The TP560 display panels are 800x600. I always run at 800x600, 16-bit > on my TP560's 12.1" active display. I would suspect that the DSTN version > could display at least some significant portion of the 64K colors at once. The tech specs are on http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/products/thinkpad/5aea_11da.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 13:51:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252163888; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:51:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08883; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08783; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultranet.com (kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com [205.246.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08773; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by ultranet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA01245 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 13:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Kendall Don Chenoweth X-Sender: kendall@kendall.chenoweth.net To: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: opinions on the new thinkpad 38x Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello. I am currently the owner of a Thinkpad 750 with 170MB disk, 20 MB ram running linux 2.0.29. This year I plan on getting a new thinkpad. The 750 (which has a monochrome screen) has patterned flickering on the lower half of the screen when I turn on the computer and sometimes when I angle the display just right (or is that wrong). I can push the display back all the way and back up to resolve this problem. Other than this little problem, my 750 has been very good (and even this is very minor). I am considoring getting a thinkpad 38x. Does anybody have one or have heard of anything about this model? I am going to be running linux, so I want a machine with lots of RAM, a built in floppy drive, maybe a built in CDROM (not essential), color screen, built in sound blaster and a much larger disk. I think that the 38x is the most useful/price competitive model out there. I would welcome any opinions!!! Kendall ------------------------------------------------------------------------ kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall 20 Eames Street, Apt #19, Framingham, MA 01702, (508) 626-2686, 628-9283 Fidelity Investments V: (508) 787-7744, P: (800) 759-8888 (PIN #2128450) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 14:23:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261605801; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:23:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09833; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09689; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09679; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:05:22 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:05:21 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Kendall Don Chenoweth Cc: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Re: opinions on the new thinkpad 38x In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Kendall Don Chenoweth wrote: > I am considoring getting a thinkpad 38x. Does anybody have one or have > heard of anything about this model? > > I am going to be running linux, so I want a machine with lots of RAM, a The 380 features a Neomagic chip. As the manufacturer does not care about Linux (have a look at their web page...) and does not release any specifications (as to this question they even don't answer email...) you have to buy the Accelerated X-server by Xinside. It's about 100 US$ more than the desktop version, with less functionality (that is, if you use a docking station with a desktop graphics card you can't use the Xinside server unless you also buy the desktop version.) In some cases you will be able to run XFree with 16 colors but that isn't very useful if you use applications such as xdvi. If there is an alternative, I certainly would never buy a machine with this chip. (I have an HP Omnibook running Linux, the machine has this chip, I bought the X-server...) Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 14:57:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274617827; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:57:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11033; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:54:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10726; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10704; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 14:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts00.loop.net (p04.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.19]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA13134; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 11:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710051851.LAA13134@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "Kendall Don Chenoweth" Cc: "IBM Thinkpad Listserv" Date: Sun, 05 Oct 97 11:53:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: opinions on the new thinkpad 38x Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:05:21 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Kendall Don Chenoweth wrote: > >> I am considoring getting a thinkpad 38x. Does anybody have one or have >> heard of anything about this model? >> >> I am going to be running linux, so I want a machine with lots of RAM, a > > >The 380 features a Neomagic chip. As the manufacturer does not care >about Linux (have a look at their web page...) and does not release any >specifications (as to this question they even don't answer email...) you >have to buy the Accelerated X-server by Xinside. It's about 100 US$ >more than the desktop version, with less functionality (that is, if you >use a docking station with a desktop graphics card you can't use the >Xinside server unless you also buy the desktop version.) In some cases >you will be able to run XFree with 16 colors but that isn't very useful >if you use applications such as xdvi. > >If there is an alternative, I certainly would never buy a machine with >this chip. (I have an HP Omnibook running Linux, the machine has this >chip, I bought the X-server...) > I hate it when manafacturers do that, or they are even chosen by IBM or another company, because they not only omit the Linux community, but the OS/2 community, and both seem to have some things in common. Just my 2 cents. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 19:28:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA053964126; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:28:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17564; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17412; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17402; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28529; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:23:55 -0700 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 16:23:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The 560s video capabilities. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Harald Milz wrote: > The tech specs are on > http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/products/thinkpad/5aea_11da.html The max color depth still doesn't seem to mean much. The table lists.. Display & Resolution E: 12.1" SVGA TFT - 256K colors @ 800x600 11.3" SVGA DSTN - 64K colors @ 800x600 Other models: 11.3" SVGA DSTN - 256 colors @ 800x600 12.1" SVGA TFT - 64K colors @ 800 x 600 Since 256 color VGA is actually 256 colors out of a palette of 256K colors I highly doubt the panel is only good for 256 colors. Which 256 colors would that be? 3 bits each for 2 colors, and two bits for whatever color is left? Only 8 or fewer levels for any given color would be woefully inadequate. Usually a panel is good for at least 12-bit color to give you something near the full range of colors available in basic 256 color [256 specific colors selected out of 18-bit palette]. If it didn't LCD panels would look horrible with fairly colorful images. The TP701 users ended up getting a lot more colors available that were officially supported. With the dull display of DSTN panels I wouldn't expect awesome color fidelity, but having over 256 colors on screen at once does wonders for the color palette management in lots of software. Instead of just having the foreground app control the palette [minus a few colors reserved by the OS] the apps can use a large palette and not fight for what few colors are there. Even if the LCD end up butchering it down to the nearest 4K colors [4 bits for each color] or whatever it is still much better than living with 256 colors at once. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 5 20:44:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074858656; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:44:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19426; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:37:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19217; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ultranet.com (kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com [205.246.12.253]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19199; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kendall@localhost) by ultranet.com (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA02473 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:36:42 -0400 Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 20:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Kendall Don Chenoweth X-Sender: kendall@kendall.chenoweth.net To: IBM Thinkpad Listserv Subject: new thinkpad... plan b Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for the warning on the thinkpad 38x and linux!!! So, what are the recommndations for a current thinkpad with the ability to run linux? Or, put differently, what thinkpad models do not have this neomagic chip?? Kendall ------------------------------------------------------------------------ kendall@chenoweth.ultranet.com http://www.ultranet.com/~kendall 20 Eames Street, Apt #19, Framingham, MA 01702, (508) 626-2686, 628-9283 Fidelity Investments V: (508) 787-7744, P: (800) 759-8888 (PIN #2128450) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 6 00:20:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136501645; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:20:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25714; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:15:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25602; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25587; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA15936; Sun, 5 Oct 97 18:15:42 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA22762; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:16:08 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA03335; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:16:16 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710060416.SAA03335@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: The 560's video capabilities. To: chrisd@loc201.tandem.com Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 18:16:15 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BCD0E6.1B1E7E50.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com>; from "Chris DiBona" at Oct 4, 97 4:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > question is, has anyone out there who owns a 560 with the dual scan screen > been able to kick it into 16 bit color mode at 800x600 or even in 640x480. No. The *chip* can handle more (for example, on an external monitor) but even quickres only shows 256 colors. Sorry. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 6 01:41:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161126514; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:41:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27722; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:33:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27592; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27580; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 01:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86024-1>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:33:45 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id HAA29108 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 07:29:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 00:13:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: opinions on the new thinkpad 38x To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Kendall Don Chenoweth (kendall@ultranet.com) wrote: > > I am going to be running linux, so I want a machine with lots of RAM, a > built in floppy drive, maybe a built in CDROM (not essential), color > screen, built in sound blaster and a much larger disk. I think that the > 38x is the most useful/price competitive model out there. I would welcome > any opinions!!! The problems with the Neomagic chips were describes already. I for one would go for a used 760 if you cannot afford a new one. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 6 02:24:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA175029039; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:23:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28996; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:21:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28896; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkusua.hku.hk [147.8.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28852; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 02:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hkusua.hku.hk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20499; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:21:41 +0800 From: lauck@hkusua.hku.hk (Johnny Lau EEE) Message-Id: <199710060621.OAA20499@hkusua.hku.hk> Subject: max. hd size on 365xd To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (tp) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 14:21:40 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I noticed that the 365xd does not have a standard bios screen showing hd size and type. Then what is the max. size of hd can I use on 365xd? Can I use Seagate 1.3G-2.1G 2.5" standard hd instead of IBMs in 365xd? Adv--Thanks--ance! Johnny Lau :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Permanent email address: cklau@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : cklau@eee.hku.hk | : cklau@indy41.eee.hku.hk | A MP2000 Newtonian : h8900006@hkusua.hku.hk | : h8900006@hkucc.hku.hk | Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Local BBS : Johnny Lau | Engineering URL http://www.eee.hku.hk/~cklau | The University of Hong Kong ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- printed with 100% recycled electrons --------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 6 11:56:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036673392; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:56:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27230; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:36:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26388; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26322; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA27027 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19583; Mon, 6 Oct 97 11:43:49 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA15776 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:44:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: LCDs 101 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Steve Parker wrote: > On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Harald Milz wrote: > > > The tech specs are on > > http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/products/thinkpad/5aea_11da.html > > The max color depth still doesn't seem to mean much. The table lists.. > > Display & Resolution > E: 12.1" SVGA TFT - 256K colors @ 800x600 > 11.3" SVGA DSTN - 64K colors @ 800x600 > Other models: 11.3" SVGA DSTN - 256 colors @ 800x600 > 12.1" SVGA TFT - 64K colors @ 800 x 600 > > Since 256 color VGA is actually 256 colors out of a palette of 256K > colors I highly doubt the panel is only good for 256 colors. Which 256 Here's the deal, LCDs have their own drivers, their own chipset, their own memory, etc. This is independent of the video chipset in your laptop and it's memory and such. DSTNs (and I'm pretty sure TFTs) can only display 3 colors - bright red, bright blue, and bright green. For an DSTN or TFT to display a other intensity colors, it has to flick the pixel on and off at a certain frequency (not sure of TFT, but this is the case for DSTN). The ratio of on to off determines how much light gets through and thus how bright the color is. The *total* number of displayable colors is determined primarily by the design of the LCD (how fast can a pixel be flipped on and off). The number of *simultaneously* displayable colors is determined by the chipset that drives the LCD. The LCD's (not the computer's) chipset drives this on/off behavior. Depending on the chipset and memory, certain color combinations are possible just like with your video chipsets. 256 colors from a palette of 256k, 32k fixed colors, 64k fixed colors, 16M fixed colors, and even oddball ones like 256 colors from a palette of 4096, or 4096 fixed colors. A palette is used for the same reason it's used in video cards - there isn't enough memory to code every possible color, but the monitor (LCD) is capable of displaying them so not using them would be a waste. A palette lets you code just certain colors (using less memory), but allows them to use the full range of the monitor's (LCD's) capability. So when using a monitor, the video chipset draws the display in memory, then converts it to an analog signal which goes to the monitor. When using an LCD, the video chipset draws the display in memory, and I'm pretty sure it passes that info digitally to the LCD chipset, which translates it into on/off sequences for the LCD, and these signals go to the LCD which does its thing and creates the illusion of different colors. So what this chart probably means is: > E: 12.1" SVGA TFT - 256K colors @ 800x600 This TFT can show 256k distinct colors simultaneously > 11.3" SVGA DSTN - 64K colors @ 800x600 This DSTN can only show 64k colors simultaneously. > Other models: 11.3" SVGA DSTN - 256 colors @ 800x600 This DSTN can show only 256 colors simultaneously, probably from a palette of 4096, 16k, 32k, or 64k colors. Nearly everything nowadays can do better than a 4096 palette. It probably cannot do 32k simultaneous or it would've been advertised as such. The reason is a limitation in the memory or chipset of the LCD itself (just like certain video cards don't have enough memory or don't have a RAMDAC that let's them do 32k colors). > 12.1" SVGA TFT - 64K colors @ 800 x 600 This DSTN can show 64k colors simultaneously. Things become somewhat tricky if you can switch resolutions because the color depth/palette available can change just like with video cards. The final PC manufacturer rarely specifies all these different available modes, but if you can track down the manufacturer of the LCD, they can usually tell you exactly what the screen is capable of. The problem is that the same model of computer often uses different types of LCDs (we know the 701 uses at least 2), and the performance can vary substantially. So to answer the final question, no that particular DSTN probably cannot do better than 256 simultaneous colors. But since the video chipset of the 560 series is the same throughout, you should be able to do 64k on an external monitor. But there's one other caveat. 800x600x16bit = 960000 bytes. I believe the 560 only has 1MB of VRAM = 1048576 bytes. That leaves just 88576 bytes for video acceleration functions (bit blts, redrawing uncovered windows, etc.). You can run it at 64k, but it's going to be a *lot* slower than the 2x performance hit you'd expect going from 8bit color to 16bit color. Phew. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 6 13:17:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064438275; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:17:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02958; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:14:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02746; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02735; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00503; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19950; Mon, 6 Oct 97 12:09:43 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA17252; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:09:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 12:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Stanley Chen , Dave Speed Subject: 701 not for sale, but SCSI/CD is In-Reply-To: <19971002023601.AAC24481@infinia> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 701 is not for sale, at least not for a couple more months. I've decided that although I don't use it much on the road, it is just too useful at home. I use it in bed, while eating at the dinner table, while watching TV, etc. If I had only a desktop, I'd be chained to the desk. The flexibility is worth more to me than the $700-$900 I'd probably get from selling it. The one item I am selling is the SCSI card and cd drive. It's a Panasonic KXL-D740 4x SCSI-2 portable CDROM, and a Panasonic (repackaged QLogic) SCSI card. The card is supported in OS/2 and Linux, and various other :-) OSes. They came together as a package (might still be under warranty - I bought it in March). Recent asking prices I've seen in DejaNews are in the $200-$250 range which I think is overpriced (it only cost me $299). I'm asking $175. Someone has expressed interest in just the SCSI card, so if you're only interested in the CDROM go ahead and make me an offer. Thanks for the offers. I will probably sell the 701 within 6 months - I like to give the final buyer some warranty time so he isn't left hanging if it breaks soon after purchase. (I'll admit my reasons are not entirely altruistic - If the buyer has problems, I'd rather he complain to IBM, not me. :-) Keep an eye out for it. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 7 13:19:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208634793; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:19:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16246; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:59:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15876; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (phr@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15859; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id JAA17881 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:59:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199710071659.JAA17881@netcom5.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: qlogic scsi card, portable cd's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've had rotten luck with the Qlogic scsi card under Linux. It works fine under DOS and Windows on my old Toshiba T4600 and on my current Thinkpad 755cx, but on both of those machines it is totally flaky under Linux (e.g. cd-roms will stop reading after a few seconds). However, it works ok under Linux in my housemate's Toshiba Libretto 50ct (Japanese version). Maybe there is some timing problem in the Linux driver or something like that. Anyway, if anyone wants to buy it, it's available. Re portable cd's, Fry's Electronics sells a nice looking Sony 6x unit which comes with a genuine Adaptec 1460 pcmcia adapter for $299. I'm tempted to buy one. My housemate (with the Libretto) got a Japanese-market Panasonic 10x unit for also around $300, but it came with some non-Linux-supported pcmcia card. He uses it with an Adaptec card that he got separately. The cd drive seems very nice but I'd probably get the Sony because of its domestic packaging and warranty in addition to the Adaptec card. I don't feel that the difference between 6x and 10x reading speed is that important in this application. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 7 13:38:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214935907; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:38:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17694; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:29:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17376; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17359; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22133; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01788; Tue, 7 Oct 97 13:36:25 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA14675; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:36:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:36:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: qlogic scsi card, portable cd's In-Reply-To: <199710071659.JAA17881@netcom5.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Paul Rubin wrote: > I've had rotten luck with the Qlogic scsi card under Linux. > It works fine under DOS and Windows on my old Toshiba T4600 and > on my current Thinkpad 755cx, but on both of those machines > it is totally flaky under Linux (e.g. cd-roms will stop > reading after a few seconds). However, it works ok under Linux > in my housemate's Toshiba Libretto 50ct (Japanese version). > Maybe there is some timing problem in the Linux driver or > something like that. Anyway, if anyone wants to buy it, > it's available. There was indeed a bug in the Linux QLogic drivers that caused problems on some machines. It's pretty obscure - I found out about it via DejaNews by pure chance. I'll see if I can dig up what it was and what the fix was (changing a couple characters and recompiling). > Re portable cd's, Fry's Electronics sells a nice looking Sony 6x > unit which comes with a genuine Adaptec 1460 pcmcia adapter for $299. > I'm tempted to buy one. I dunno if Sony has changed their drive, but when they first started using the Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card, Sony put a nonstandard interface on their drive and manufactured their own cable to work with the card and drive. If the interface on the card is the same, Adaptec will sell you a real SCSI-1 or SCSI-2 cable, but it'll probably cost $30-$40. If you buy just the Adaptec card, it comes with a SCSI-2 cable, plus a certificate to get a SCSI-1 (50-pin centronics or 25-pin Mac) cable for free. This may be cheaper than getting the Adaptec with the Sony drive. > My housemate (with the Libretto) got a Japanese-market Panasonic 10x > unit for also around $300, but it came with some non-Linux-supported > pcmcia card. He uses it with an Adaptec card that he got separately. The KXL-D740 4x Panasonic CDROM was (as of March) the last Panasonic CDROM drive that used a QLogic card compatible with Linux. I fiddled with the 745 (a 740 with built-in speakers), and the 8x model (748?). The 745 uses a new revision of the QLogic card which is incompatible with Linux. The 8x model uses a new QLogic card which David Hinds (author of the Linux PCMCIA drivers) said would "probably never work with Linux." My guess is QLogic isn't giving out the info needed to write drivers anymore. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 7 14:39:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236149564; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:39:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20187; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:26:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20063; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20052; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA11836 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0001D666; Tue, 7 Oct 97 11:28:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:20:40 -0700 Message-Id: <0001D666.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: what is a CAV CD-ROM? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any idea what is an 8X-20X CAV CD-ROM drive? Check http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/options/thinkmax1.html I need to add a CD-ROM to my 760XL and was ready to buy the 8X, but maybe this drive does more? There are two part numbers listed: 00K7903 or 11J8933 A search thru IBM Boulder's index doesn't show the parts. It could be that these are new. Very new. It appears that these might be internal CD-ROMs that fit into the "thick" 760 bodies. Thanks, Mitchell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 7 15:04:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245631079; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:04:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21821; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:59:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:59:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21731; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21683; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA13246; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02738; Tue, 7 Oct 97 15:05:15 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA17212; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:05:18 -0400 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:05:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: Mitchell Yee Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: what is a CAV CD-ROM? In-Reply-To: <0001D666.1225@jud.ca.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, Mitchell Yee wrote: > > Does anyone have any idea what is an 8X-20X CAV CD-ROM drive? Check > http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/options/thinkmax1.html > > I need to add a CD-ROM to my 760XL and was ready to buy the 8X, but > maybe this drive does more? There are two part numbers listed: > 00K7903 or 11J8933 CAV is Constant Angular Velocity. Data on CDs are encoded with CLV, Constant Linear Velocity. That is, there is the same amount of data per inch of track. That means the CD player must slow down when reading from the outside tracks, and speed up when reading from the inside tracks - the amount of linear distance passing under the read laser goes as 2*pi*R. A CAV player spins at the same rate no matter where it's reading. This simplifies the spinning mechanism, but complicates the reading mechanism. When you read from an outside track, the data comes in faster (because there is more of it per revolution), and that would probably be the 20x. When you read from an inside track the data comes in slower (because there is less of it per revolution), and that is probably the 8x. That's my guess based on CAV/CLV from laserdiscs (only on those, CAV and CLV describe the way the data is actually encoded on the discs). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 7 15:23:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251912198; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:23:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22450; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:08:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22335; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22312; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.20] (SoCal56k120.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.20]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA03904; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:08:48 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199710071659.JAA17881@netcom5.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:06:18 -0800 To: Paul Rubin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: qlogic scsi card, portable cd's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 8:59 AM -0800 10/7/97, Paul Rubin wrote: >Re portable cd's, Fry's Electronics sells a nice looking Sony 6x >unit which comes with a genuine Adaptec 1460 pcmcia adapter for $299. >I'm tempted to buy one. Its on sale right now too, $275 or something like that. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 7 21:41:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078964862; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:41:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08635; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08487; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08471; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ron (user-2k7i3oa.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.15.10]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA13450 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ron Christian" To: "Thinkpad Mail List" Subject: TP701C HDD Swap ? Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:30:37 -0500 Message-Id: <01bcd389$c8500940$0a0f79a8@ron> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BCD35F.DF7A0140" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BCD35F.DF7A0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Information requested as Follows: 1.) Can a Toshiba 2.5-inch slimline 1.44GB HDD, i.e. MK-1401MAV be used = in a TP701C using the existing caddy? 2.) If yes, what will be required to make the swap and how? 3.) Pro's and Con's of such a swap if item 2 above is applicable? Thanks in advance to any and all who can help. 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1.) Can a Toshiba 2.5-inch slimline 1.44GB HDD, i.e. = MK-1401MAV be used in a TP701C using the existing caddy?
 
2.) If yes, what will be required to make the swap = and=20 how?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BCD35F.DF7A0140-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 8 00:56:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA143686579; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:56:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16694; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:51:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16559; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16541; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts12.loop.net (p10.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.145]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA11463; Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710080450.VAA11463@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ron Christian" , "Thinkpad Mail List" Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 21:22:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701C HDD Swap ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:30:37 -0500, Ron Christian wrote: >Information requested as Follows: > >1.) Can a Toshiba 2.5-inch slimline 1.44GB HDD, i.e. MK-1401MAV be used in a TP701C using the existing caddy? > Not sure, but it might work. >2.) If yes, what will be required to make the swap and how? > If the holes are different on the Toshiba, you may have to drill some extra holes in the current caddy. >3.) Pro's and Con's of such a swap if item 2 above is applicable? > Pros: If you have something small, like the 360 or 540, then it's worth it. Also good is that you have more space. Cons: You may have to drill extra holes in the mounting bracket, or just buy a new one. You may have to get a T-something screwdriver if you don't already have one. I don't know how well that drive works in the 701. If it's over 12.5mm, then you're stuck. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 8 01:21:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153378092; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:21:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17425; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:20:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17351; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17335; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20438 invoked from network); 8 Oct 1997 05:20:02 -0000 Received: from belial-6.d.enteract.com (207.112.154.15) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 1997 05:20:02 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701C HDD Swap ? Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:18:34 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <343b328c.7272126@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199710080450.VAA11463@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199710080450.VAA11463@ritchie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 07 Oct 97 21:22:09 , you wrote: >On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:30:37 -0500, Ron Christian wrote: > >>Information requested as Follows: >> >>1.) Can a Toshiba 2.5-inch slimline 1.44GB HDD, i.e. MK-1401MAV be used= in a TP701C using the existing=20 >caddy? >> >Not sure, but it might work. Yep, it oughta work. >>2.) If yes, what will be required to make the swap and how? >> >If the holes are different on the Toshiba, you may have to drill >some extra holes in the current caddy. In all the Thinkpads I've changed, the holes have matched perfectly. >>3.) Pro's and Con's of such a swap if item 2 above is applicable? >> >Pros: >If you have something small, like the 360 or 540, then it's worth it. >Also good is that you have more space. The pros are obvious, it's why you're asking after all :-) >Cons: >You may have to drill extra holes in the mounting bracket, or just buy >a new one. >You may have to get a T-something screwdriver if you don't already have >one. >I don't know how well that drive works in the 701. >If it's over 12.5mm, then you're stuck. So far, every Toshiba drive has been louder than the IBM drive before it, especially that clunk they make when the drive heads park. Saving the foil to keep dust out is tricky, I've heard (I've never done a 701 myself). And the Toshiba model numbers that end in V are 12.5mm drives, the Ns are 19mm, and the FCs are ...weird. I've got a Toshiba FC in my Kiwi and it's a slimline, but I've heard it varies... epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 8 06:46:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245067572; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:46:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04325; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:44:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04194; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04184; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scv1.apple.com (A17-128-100-139.apple.com [17.128.100.139]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA25474 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:34:30 -0700 Received: from nessie.apple.com (nessie.apple.com [129.18.44.64]) by scv1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA32032 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:34:29 -0700 Received: by nessie.apple.com (NX5.67g) id AA02875; Wed, 8 Oct 97 11:34:27 +0100 Message-Id: <9710081034.AA02875@nessie.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v146) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3risc (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.146) From: Eren Kotan Date: Wed, 8 Oct 97 11:34:26 +0100 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760CD: Cannot install Win95 video driver to get high-colour Reply-To: Eren_Kotan@apple.com Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I am tearing my hear out over my 760CD trying to install the latest Trident Cyber9320 VL video driver from IBM. I've read all the on-line tech support docs related to this on IBM's web site, to no avail. The generic Trident driver Windows offers only does 800x600x256 colours. I'd really like to get 16-bit colour, so I've grabbed the latest driver disk from IBM's support site. First, I've tried to install it on Win95 OSR2 (Readme says it's supported). Next, I've tried it on Win98 beta 2. In each case, the driver installs itself, reboots the machine, and when Windows reloads I get a "Your display adapter is not configured properly" message. :( What should I do to get 800x600x64k colours? Thanks for your help, E@ --- Eren Kotan The best friend money can buy. Can you imagine a world with no hypothetical questions? Apple Enterprise Professional Services - http://enterprise.apple.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 8 14:32:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090755521; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:32:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27566; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27132; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout40.mail.aol.com (emout40.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27115; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by emout40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14240 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971008125931_642996729@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: hello Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Good day. My name is Bob M. I have 3 TP's at this time TP 720 16m 240 Hdd(two of them) and 14.4 (Mono) TP 750 4m 340 Hdd 14.4 (Mono) TP 750Ce 4+16 m 340 Hdd 28.8 (Active) with a bad sys board(I think). I will be replacing the sys board this month. If anyone has any ideas what error code 221 is. I would appreciate the help. Tried different memory, no memory, ect. and it will not go beyond the 221 errorcode. Thanks Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 8 16:21:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132552107; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:21:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04377; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27132; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout40.mail.aol.com (emout40.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27115; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by emout40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14240 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971008125931_642996729@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: hello Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Good day. My name is Bob M. I have 3 TP's at this time TP 720 16m 240 Hdd(two of them) and 14.4 (Mono) TP 750 4m 340 Hdd 14.4 (Mono) TP 750Ce 4+16 m 340 Hdd 28.8 (Active) with a bad sys board(I think). I will be replacing the sys board this month. If anyone has any ideas what error code 221 is. I would appreciate the help. Tried different memory, no memory, ect. and it will not go beyond the 221 errorcode. Thanks Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 9 01:23:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029744590; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:23:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19600; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:10:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19396; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 01:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27956; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 11:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86039-1>; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:57:48 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id RAA01277 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 6 Oct 1997 17:53:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 13:40:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: new thinkpad... plan b To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Kendall Don Chenoweth (kendall@ultranet.com) wrote: > > So, what are the recommndations for a current thinkpad with the ability to > run linux? Or, put differently, what thinkpad models do not have this > neomagic chip?? All of 560 and 760. Those are based on Trident Cyber chips 9382 (560) and 9385 (760 with the TFT display) or 9320 (760 SVGA). The latter run fine with XFree86 3.2 (see my web page http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html) or XFree86 3.3.1. The said page has a couple of references to other TP pages. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 9 06:19:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111232397; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:19:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06007; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:13:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05696; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21451; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp227.114.mmtl.videotron.net by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA58968; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:07:03 -0400 Received: by deepthroat with Microsoft Mail id <01BCCC64.3CF33920@deepthroat>; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:14:15 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCCC64.3CF33920@deepthroat> From: Fabian Rodriguez To: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: Nogatech video conferencing Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:14:13 -0400 Encoding: 18 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am trying to find a complete vc solution for my 365XD, something like: - PCMCIA video capture (including coax cable-in) - clip-on camera (like nogatech) - no audio, no TV tune Is anyone using any of novatech's products at http://www.nogatech.com/html/products.html ? How would you rate the software/hardware when compared to desktop? Tx for any advice -- Fabian Rodriguez - mailto:MagicFab@bigfoot.com - ICQ# 1485512 Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs (Montreal) - Research Information Systems Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Visitez le code postal qui buche! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 9 06:37:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115843453; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:37:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06509; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:32:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06430; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out1.apple.com (mail-out1.apple.com [17.254.0.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06420; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scv4.apple.com (A17-128-100-142.apple.com [17.128.100.142]) by mail-out1.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA10742 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:25:26 -0700 Received: from nessie.apple.com (nessie.apple.com [129.18.44.64]) by scv4.apple.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA40040 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 03:25:25 -0700 Received: by nessie.apple.com (NX5.67g) id AA03408; Thu, 9 Oct 97 11:25:23 +0100 Message-Id: <9710091025.AA03408@nessie.apple.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v146) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3risc (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.146) From: Eren Kotan Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 11:25:21 +0100 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760CD: Cannot install Win95 video driver to get high-colour Reply-To: Eren_Kotan@apple.com Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I sent this message yesterday, but I'm not sure if it made it to the list, so I'm resending with extra information. Apologies if you've received it already: I have just bought a second-hand ThinkPad 760CD and been trying to install the latest Trident Cyber9320 VL Win95 video driver from IBM. I've read all the on-line tech support docs related to this on IBM's web site, to no avail. The generic Trident driver Windows offers only does 800x600x256 colours. I'd really like to get 16-bit colour, so I've grabbed the latest driver disk >from IBM's support site. First, I've tried to install it on Win95 OSR2 (Readme says it's supported). Next, I've tried it on Win98 beta 2. In each case, the driver installs itself, reboots the machine, and when Windows reloads I get a "Your display adapter is not configured properly, click OK to start the hardware troubleshooter wizard" type of message. Of course, the wizard doesn't correct the problem :( Yesterday evening, I've also attempted the same thing with the original, "A" version of Windows 95 - still the same error. The machine passes all diagnostics tests in the BIOS setup, and the screen can do 800x600x64k colours in DOS using VESA mode test programs. What should I do to get 800x600x64k colours in Windows? Thinking this problem may be due to my older ThinkPad BIOS, I would like to upgrade the BIOS to the latest version, but I don't have a floppy disk drive for this machine, yet (just the CD ROM). I've ordered a replacement floppy drive unit >from IBM, but they're out of stock so it'll take 6-12 weeks to get one! In the meantime, is there any way of upgrading the BIOS without having to boot off a floppy? Could I boot Windows from the hard disk into safe mode DOS command prompt (no drivers loaded) and run a BIOS upgrade utility from the hard drive? I have copied the contents of the BIOS update floppy to the machine's hard disk via Ethernet, but there is no obvious way of running an "upgrade" program. Thanks for any help you may provide, E@ --- Eren Kotan The best friend money can buy. Can you imagine a world with no hypothetical questions? Apple Enterprise Professional Services - Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13156; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:37:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12865; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12848; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10508; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id JAA05858; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:37:19 -0400 (EDT) To: rj Cc: axel hartmann , "'rj'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: NT on 750? References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 09 Oct 1997 09:37:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: rj's message of "Fri, 8 Aug 1997 17:12:35 -0400 (EDT)" Message-Id: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Howdy- Way back on the ThinkPad list you said: > Suspend has the same problem set as hibernate. If anyone on the list > has ever been able to get hibernate to work with NT 4.0 I would > really like to hear about it. I'm not certain why it has taken me so long to reply, but I can report successful hibernations under NT. Took me a long time to figure it out, though (with negative help from IBM) The trick was: a) have a separate FAT partition to hold the hibernation file b) create the hibernation file by hand (it took me about 5 minutes to port a REXX program to Perl which did just this). Let me know if you need any more details. Peace, dNb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 9 10:57:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA192849055; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:57:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19145; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:47:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18972; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net (punt-1b.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18946; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1418037; 9 Oct 97 15:19 BST Message-Id: <6lsy9FAEeOP0Ew0W@moab.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:17:40 +0100 To: Eren_Kotan@apple.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Sender: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: 760CD: Cannot install Win95 video driver to get high-colour In-Reply-To: <9710091025.AA03408@nessie.apple.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Eren I saw your message yesterday and have been thinking about your problem. I have a 760CD running Win95 (pre-OSR2) (previously Win3.11) but have never experienced the problem you outline. I have always been able to get 800x600x64k - even with earlier versions of the BIOS (currently I have version 1.24). I currently have installed IBM's Video Features v 1.22 (07/02/97) and Enhanced Video Features v 1.10 (08/02/96) which contain the latest drivers so far as I know. This gives me the choice in Control Panel/Display/Settings of 3 display adaptors - IBM ThinkPad (Cyber9320)VL and IBM ThinkPad (Cyber9385/82)VL as well as Trident Super VGA. I use the Cyber9385/82 drivers. I think I tried the 9320 setting but it seemed to make no difference. Do you have the ThinkPad Features program? If so, what alternatives does it give you for the display? In my case I have it set to 800x600x64k. If not, you need the Utility Features diskettes. Have you checked the set up in DOS using ps2? I don't think there is anything there that would cause your problem but you never know! The latest software updates for the ThinkPads are on http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/dsktw95a.html but it sounds as though you have found them. I can't help with upgrading without the floppy drive as all my upgrades have been using the floppy drive. I don't think I would try it any other way! In message <9710091025.AA03408@nessie.apple.com>, Eren Kotan writes snip > >I have just bought a second-hand ThinkPad 760CD and been trying to install >the latest Trident Cyber9320 VL Win95 video driver from IBM. I've read all >the on-line tech support docs related to this on IBM's web site, to no avail. >The generic Trident driver Windows offers only does 800x600x256 colours. I'd >really like to get 16-bit colour, so I've grabbed the latest driver disk >from IBM's support site. > snip -- Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 9 14:24:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259271494; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:24:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03490; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:15:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03267; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idecnet.com (root@idecnet.com [194.179.48.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16409; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 18:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idecnet.madrid.idecnet.com (acceso-15.madrid.idecnet.com [194.179.104.151]) by idecnet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01168 for ; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 23:29:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199710052229.XAA01168@idecnet.com> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0541.0 From: "Francisco Mengibar" To: "thinkpad" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:40:41 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BCC302.53327D60" X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0541.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Este es un mensaje con mzltiples partes en formato MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC302.53327D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC302.53327D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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 ------=_NextPart_000_01BCC302.53327D60-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 9 16:08:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296637695; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:08:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10250; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:54:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09700; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09677; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arctos.lcs.mit.edu by goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA20466; Thu, 9 Oct 97 15:53:46 EDT Received: from arctos.lcs.mit.edu by arctos.lcs.mit.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA01972; Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:53:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199710091953.PAA01972@arctos.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DEC RoamAbout on 560E? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:53:31 -0400 From: Ed Hurley Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu has anyone succeeded in getting the DEC RoamAbout to work on the 560E? i've installed and run it without problems on my 760E, but the 560E doesn't seem to supply enough power to the transceiver to reach anything. anyone have any experience with this? N.B. please respond directly to me, as i'm not subscribed to this list. thanks, -ed From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 13:34:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118524883; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:34:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14085; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:29:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13886; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13866; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04545 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:29:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04539 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:29:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971010132709.009f9a80@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:27:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Compaq mailing lists? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know this is heresy, but does anyone know of a mailing list for the Compaq Armadas? I checked the liszt web-site and couldn't find anything that looked useful. Someone put a notice on comp.sys.laptops about starting one for the 41xx series, but I need the 15xx and 77xx help more. Thanks, Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 14:10:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA131197003; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:10:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16583; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:01:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16429; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.teamquest.com (venus.teamquest.com [199.120.249.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16417; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (smtpgtwy.teamquest.com [199.120.249.99]) by venus.teamquest.com (8.6.9/8.6.11) with SMTP id NAA02323 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:00:25 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA876506355; Fri, 10 Oct 97 12:59:19 -0600 Message-Id: <9710108765.AA876506355@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 13:00:01 -0600 To: Subject: Diskette and CD ROM on ThinkPad 770 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there a way to have both diskette and CDROM drives active at the same time on the ThinkPad 770? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 15:50:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167703049; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:50:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21841; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:37:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21623; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (phr@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21610; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id MAA05130 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:37:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199710101937.MAA05130@netcom2.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WTB inexpensive thinkpad, active matrix preferred Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking to get a Thinkpad for my father, preferably with active matrix display and still under warranty (mostly so he can get tech support, not repairs). I'm steering him away from off-brands (Toshiba) for the same reason. His machine needs to be able to run Windoze 95, MS Word, and maybe a web browser (MSIE or Netscape). Something like a 750C might be a reasonable choice if the price is right. Super duper disk capacity and MMX extensions aren't an issue, but SVGA and built-in CD-rom are maybe worthwhile. We can spend up to $1500 or so, depending on the unit. Suggestions or offers are solicited. (Reply by private mail unless you're saying something that you think would interest the list). Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 16:47:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185386432; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:47:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25604; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:35:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25267; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25248; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-112.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.112]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA46718; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:34:27 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971010163157.00a20380@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:31:57 -0400 To: , From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Diskette and CD ROM on ThinkPad 770 In-Reply-To: <9710108765.AA876506355@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:00 PM 10/10/97 -0600, emr@teamquest.com wrote: > Is there a way to have both diskette and CDROM drives active at the > same time on the ThinkPad 770? > Supposedly a cable for the floppy drive for this very purpose comes with the TP770 now. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 16:59:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189777172; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:59:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26528; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:49:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26178; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.microserve.net (mail.microserve.net [207.44.0.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26144; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (eye.microserve.com [198.70.182.26]) by mail.microserve.net (8.8.5/naISPa) with ESMTP id QAA08233 for ; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710102043.QAA08233@mail.microserve.net> From: "jpugliese" To: "thinkpad" Subject: freeze on bootup msgrsv32 wont respond Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:49:48 -0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I bootup with win 95 my ThinkPad hangs. When I hit ctrl,alt,delete I get message that msgrsv32 is not responding. when I click on "end task" it may continue to boot. However my applications don't always work right. especially DUN Any help will be greatly appreciated. JOE Joe Pugliese email:jpuglies@microserve.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 18:35:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220482949; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:35:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01610; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:27:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01504; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (phr@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01492; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id PAA11246 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:27:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199710102227.PAA11246@netcom15.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760 ELD advice wanted Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As mentioned earlier I'm trying to help my father buy a computer for word processing. Although we don't want to spend a fortune, the goal is good screen quality and minimum hassle, rather than minimum cost. Minimum hassle mostly means good service and manuals (i.e. a Thinkpad) and pre-installed software (we're talking about a guy who has never used a computer). I've located a few used 755 series machines in the $1000 range, and a new 760 ELD 100 mhz 8/810 with 4x cd and 12.1" TFT for $1789 (dealer will throw in additional 8 megs free). It sounds insane to spend this much for the purpose but I'm leaning toward going with this machine because (1) it's new and has full 3 year warranty, (2) it has w95 pre-installed and I think it has Lotus Smartsuite pre-installed, which includes a word processor (MS Word would be preferable but we can burn that bridge when we come to it), and (3) it has a large SVGA display which is nicer than the smaller 640x480 displays on the 755 series. Also, it has a built-in CD which will make it easier to install new software. My basic question is: is this nuts? If I wanted a word processing machine for myself, I'd look for a Toshiba T1000SE in the $100 range. But the idea here is the computer will be used in an office From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 18:40:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221683204; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:40:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01917; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:33:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01835; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01824; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts10.loop.net (p23.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.98]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA04964; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710102233.PAA04964@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 15:34:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WTB inexpensive thinkpad, active matrix preferred Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:37:14 -0700 (PDT), Paul Rubin wrote: >I'm looking to get a Thinkpad for my father, preferably with active >matrix display and still under warranty (mostly so he can get tech >support, not repairs). I'm steering him away from off-brands (Toshiba) >for the same reason. > >His machine needs to be able to run Windoze 95, MS Word, and maybe a >web browser (MSIE or Netscape). Something like a 750C might be a >reasonable choice if the price is right. Super duper disk capacity >and MMX extensions aren't an issue, but SVGA and built-in CD-rom are >maybe worthwhile. We can spend up to $1500 or so, depending on the >unit. Suggestions or offers are solicited. (Reply by private mail >unless you're saying something that you think would interest the >list). Thanks! > > I have seen from numerous companies that some of the 365 models offer a CD-ROM, although I don't know about TFT, and they're from $800 to $1200. I don't know if there are any catches, though. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 10 19:04:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229674648; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:04:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02953; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:00:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02876; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calcium.noc.interop.net (firewall-user@calcium.noc.interop.net [45.0.12.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02861; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 19:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwsi.com ([45.0.13.45]) by calcium.noc.interop.net (PMDF V5.1-9 #26324) with ESMTP id <0EHU00BGBXQWDY@calcium.noc.interop.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 16:47:20 -0600 From: Steve Hultquist Subject: 770 -- WHAT? To: thinkpad mailing list Message-Id: <343EB078.5202F4C6@wwsi.com> Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, so I was thinking about getting a 770 someday. Then I found out that the 14" display is only 256 colors! I guess I'll wait a while.....! -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 11 12:23:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208177011; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:23:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04551; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:12:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04265; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VMSrelay4.pcy.mci.net (vmsrelay4.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04254; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ripston (usr9-dialup18.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #10044) with ESMTP id <01IOOHT6QXG0001EVU@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:12:03 EDT Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 12:10:54 -0400 From: Neil Ripston Subject: Re: 770 -- WHAT? To: Steve Hultquist , thinkpad mailing list Message-Id: <01IOOHT78ULU001EVU@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a ThinkPad 770 brochure and it says it has a resolution of up to 1024 x 768 in 64K Colors for all three models of the 770. I wouldn't wait if I had the money. > Ok, so I was thinking about getting a 770 someday. Then I found out that the 14" display is only 256 colors! I guess I'll wait a while.....! > -- > Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > Internet Integration - Technology Engineering Boulder, Colorado > mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 11 15:20:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251347633; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:20:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08407; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:15:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08250; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08240; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28428 invoked from network); 11 Oct 1997 19:15:31 -0000 Received: from belial-9.d.enteract.com (207.112.154.18) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 1997 19:15:31 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: IBM Thinkpad 510CS and Win95 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:13:22 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3441e978.967576@news.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm working on a Thinkpad 510 and installed Windows 95 last night. I've noticed that the system works fine in most respect, but for two things: 1) the system hangs when I try to hibernate or suspend the system. I made sure to add a 25MB partition using phdisk.exe, so there's more than enough room. And the system will hibernate fine in DOS mode. I'm betting I need to load something under Win95 for it to work. Doesn anyone know? 2) I can only find one PCMCIA slot on the system, but both Windows 3.1 and 95 insists there are two. Is this thing somehow reading the memory slot (which *does* look like a PCMCIA slot) as another slot, or am I somehow missing something? I'd love to discover the 510 can accept type III cards, because cloning my software onto it would be a lot faster and simpler using one of my PC card drives. And on a non-Windows note, the battery seems to be either loose or dying. I'm getting about an hour (though with brightness and contrast high and constant disk accessing as I load the system up, and running Windows in 8MB), but occasionally the system forgets how much life is remaining, and when charging the light flickers. And charging appears to only take an hour with the system off. Is this behavior normal, a result of the unit being so old (from waaay back in '94 :-) epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Kiwi 680TX From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 11 15:40:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257058845; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:40:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08869; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08727; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08716; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 15:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86028-1>; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:36:06 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id VAA00995 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:36:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:22:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 770 -- WHAT? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Hultquist (ssh@wwsi.com) wrote: > Ok, so I was thinking about getting a 770 someday. Then I found out that > the 14" display is only 256 colors! I guess I'll wait a while.....! Actually, the page http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/products/thinkpad/5fb6_11da.html is somewhat contradictory because somewhat lower it says, Display & Maximum Resolution 13.3" TFT - 64K colors @ 1024x768 14.1" TFT - 64K colors @ 1024x768 And the display controller is a Trident CYBER9397 / 64-bit SVGA accelerator which can be a problem with XFree86... I've no idea whether the current SVGA X server works. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 11 22:54:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA071774841; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:54:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17082; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:49:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16929; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com ([153.113.2.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16919; Sat, 11 Oct 1997 22:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0xKE32-0003FoC; Sat, 11 Oct 97 21:46 CDT Received: from atcomm.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0xKE07-0008E1C; Sat, 11 Oct 97 21:43 CDT Received: by atcomm.eiws.esid.northgrum.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #14) id m0xKDwz-0000zUC; Sat, 11 Oct 97 21:40 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@eiws.esid.northgrum.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Diskette and CD ROM on ThinkPad 770 To: emr@teamquest.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 21:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9710108765.AA876506355@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> from "emr@teamquest.com" at Oct 10, 97 01:00:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > > Is there a way to have both diskette and CDROM drives active at the > same time on the ThinkPad 770? The 770 comes with a cable to connect the drive to the rear of the Thinkpad. The drive has two connectors, one for the Ultrabay the other for the external floppy connector. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@eiws.esid.northgrum.com | (847) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 07:05:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA212134357; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:05:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06355; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:02:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06180; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06104; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 07:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA18071 for ; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 12:59:45 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199710121059.MAA18071@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 13:59:39 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.38 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is it possible to use a cordless mouse with a ThinkPad (701 and 560)? Sorry if this is a silly idea, but I know nothing about cordless mice. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 19:45:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118969914; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:45:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23239; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:41:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23049; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23022; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA07605; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:41:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710122341.QAA07605@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Dominique Pivard" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 16:43:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Oct 97 13:59:39 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Is it possible to use a cordless mouse with a ThinkPad (701 and 560)? >Sorry if this is a silly idea, but I know nothing about cordless mice. > >Dominique >-- If it were to connect to the IR port, you'd have to have the machine turned around, or maybe devise a set of mirrors to work, but I have seen portable mice with long cords for presentations. I'm assuming that a cordless mouse might also have the option to connect an IR interface to an existing DB9 or DB25 port. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 19:45:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119029922; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:45:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23243; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:40:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00344; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00280; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IOKAKT7ZMOBOUXY8@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:13:50 MST Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:07:27 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: hello In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT)" <971008125931_642996729@emout12.mail.aol.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IOKB0ED33YBOUXY8@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > TP 750Ce 4+16 m 340 Hdd 28.8 (Active) with a bad sys board(I think). > I will be replacing the sys board this month. If anyone has any ideas what > error code 221 is. I would appreciate the help. Tried different memory, no > memory, ect. and it will not go beyond the 221 errorcode. The hardware maintenance manual says 2xx codes are memory errors, or if not that then the system board. It also says to try removing all add-on memory, press and hold the F1 key, power up and keep holding it until the Easy-Setup screen appears. Then select Test and run the memory test - if this fails it says to replace the system board. I suppose this could be just bad memory on the system board - seems like a shame to have to swap out the whole thing, but I don't know how repairable the system board itself is... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 19:54:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA121710465; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:54:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23925; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:51:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23802; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23785; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA08271; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710122350.QAA08271@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "billy@MIX.COM" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 16:52:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: hello Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:07:27 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> TP 750Ce 4+16 m 340 Hdd 28.8 (Active) with a bad sys board(I think). >> I will be replacing the sys board this month. If anyone has any ideas what >> error code 221 is. I would appreciate the help. Tried different memory, no >> memory, ect. and it will not go beyond the 221 errorcode. > >The hardware maintenance manual says 2xx codes are memory errors, or >if not that then the system board. It also says to try removing all >add-on memory, press and hold the F1 key, power up and keep holding >it until the Easy-Setup screen appears. Then select Test and run >the memory test - if this fails it says to replace the system board. > I don't know about that particular model, but on some, you can do a "loop test", where the only way to stop the test(s) are to turn off the machine. You might want to try that to test for intermittent memory errors. >I suppose this could be just bad memory on the system board - seems >like a shame to have to swap out the whole thing, but I don't know >how repairable the system board itself is... > >Billy Y.. > > If you're really good at soldering, then I suppose you might be able to replace the chips, provided you can get replacements, but I'd rather save up and get the replacement board, if the warranty is gone. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 20:40:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134023214; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:40:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25188; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:32:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25073; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vortex.uplanet.com (host-165-3.uplanet.com [204.163.165.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25063; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com by vortex.uplanet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA18074; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:32:13 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971012173238.00845340@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:32:38 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Dominique Pivard" From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? In-Reply-To: <199710122341.QAA07605@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The only cordless mouse I've used (a logitech, I think) came with two units; the mouse, and a receiver that plugged into a serial port. There's no reason you couldn't plug the receiver into the serial port on your thinkpad, although it means an extra two things to carry.. At 04:43 PM 10/12/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Sun, 12 Oct 97 13:59:39 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: > >>Is it possible to use a cordless mouse with a ThinkPad (701 and 560)? >>Sorry if this is a silly idea, but I know nothing about cordless mice. >> >>Dominique >>-- >If it were to connect to the IR port, you'd have to have the machine turned around, >or maybe devise a set of mirrors to work, but I have seen portable mice with >long cords for presentations. I'm assuming that a cordless mouse might >also have the option to connect an IR interface to an existing DB9 or DB25 >port. > >Paul > > _____________________________________________________ Dinner is served prompty at eight in the private dining room, those who are tardy do not get fruit cup. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 21:41:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152036905; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:41:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27136; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:39:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27132; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout40.mail.aol.com (emout40.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27115; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by emout40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14240 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971008125931_642996729@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: hello Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Good day. My name is Bob M. I have 3 TP's at this time TP 720 16m 240 Hdd(two of them) and 14.4 (Mono) TP 750 4m 340 Hdd 14.4 (Mono) TP 750Ce 4+16 m 340 Hdd 28.8 (Active) with a bad sys board(I think). I will be replacing the sys board this month. If anyone has any ideas what error code 221 is. I would appreciate the help. Tried different memory, no memory, ect. and it will not go beyond the 221 errorcode. Thanks Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 21:41:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152106912; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:41:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26940; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:34:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26844; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26809; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 21:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA22446; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 18:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710130132.SAA22446@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "Jesse Montrose" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 18:35:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 17:32:38 -0700, Jesse Montrose wrote: >The only cordless mouse I've used (a logitech, I think) came with two >units; the mouse, and a receiver that plugged into a serial port. There's >no reason you couldn't plug the receiver into the serial port on your >thinkpad, although it means an extra two things to carry.. > Only 2 things to carry? How hard could that be? I carry my portable Printer, multiport, cables, printer adapter, floppy drive, disks, an extra PCMCIA modem, this ThinkPad (of course), and I could fit it in just one backpack, although I normall have 2. But back to the cordless mouse topic: technically speaking, could one use the IR port for a mouse that connects that way? After all, it is just a regualry interfaced serial port, right? (after what I've heard)? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 22:28:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165639726; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:28:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28392; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:26:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28285; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vortex.uplanet.com (host-165-3.uplanet.com [204.163.165.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28267; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com by vortex.uplanet.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA20772; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:25:52 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971012190322.00813320@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:03:22 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? In-Reply-To: <199710130132.SAA22446@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:35 PM 10/12/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Only 2 things to carry? How hard could that be? I carry >my portable Printer, multiport, cables, printer adapter, floppy >drive, disks, an extra PCMCIA modem, this ThinkPad (of course), >and I could fit it in just one backpack, although I normall have 2. Youch! My load is usually my 560, wireless modem, and sometimes a power supply or extra battery (I keep a power supply at home and at the office, only need to carry one if I'm going somewhere else).. I can fit it all in the minimalist WetSuit case (formfitting wetsuit material case, the same size as the laptop) and still have room in the pocket for a cellphone, pager and wallet :) >But back to the cordless mouse topic: technically speaking, >could one use the IR port for a mouse that connects that way? >After all, it is just a regualry interfaced serial port, right? (after what >I've heard)? Sounds reasonable, but I've never heard of an IRDA-speaking cordless mouse, I thought they all used their own proprietary protocols. _____________________________________________________ Dinner is served prompty at eight in the private dining room, those who are tardy do not get fruit cup. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 12 22:59:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA175131553; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:59:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29324; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:54:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29165; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29154; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 22:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA17767; Sun, 12 Oct 97 16:54:28 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20132; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:54:59 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA13239; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 16:55:07 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710130255.QAA13239@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 16:55:06 HST Cc: domi@kenavo.fi, jesse@spine.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710130132.SAA22446@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 12, 97 6:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul wrote: > > But back to the cordless mouse topic: technically speaking, > could one use the IR port for a mouse that connects that way? > After all, it is just a regualry interfaced serial port, right? (after what > I've heard)? Unfortunately, there are several incompatible IR standards. (For example, I've heard that the Apple IR ports are hardware-compatible with consumer remote controls [ though software doesn't seem to exist for this], while this is definitely not the case for the TP ports.) W/r to the comment about turning the machine around, the IR port on the 560 is on the side. I've recently found this to be very useful, since I've finally got both DUN and DCC over the IR working on my machines, and at the office I connect my 560 to the net over the IR to a Micron Transport which is connected through an ethernet card. (The Micron has 2 IR ports - one fore, and one aft; the former sees the port on my 560, which lives on an adjacent desk.) Incidentally, I've been getting consisitent 115Kbps throughput, which is very gratifying. Now that MS has released a developer's kit for high-speed IR drivers, I wonder if we'll finally be able to use the full speed of the faster IBM IR ports in W95? - David From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Oct 13 00:14:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197736061; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 00:14:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04377; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27132; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout40.mail.aol.com (emout40.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27115; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by emout40.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) id OAA14240 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971008125931_642996729@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: hello Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Good day. My name is Bob M. I have 3 TP's at this time TP 720 16m 240 Hdd(two of them) and 14.4 (Mono) TP 750 4m 340 Hdd 14.4 (Mono) TP 750Ce 4+16 m 340 Hdd 28.8 (Active) with a bad sys board(I think). I will be replacing the sys board this month. If anyone has any ideas what error code 221 is. I would appreciate the help. Tried different memory, no memory, ect. and it will not go beyond the 221 errorcode. Thanks Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 02:25:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237253917; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:25:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06723; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:21:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06605; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06592; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 02:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts06.loop.net (p17.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.212]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03728; Sun, 12 Oct 1997 23:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710130619.XAA03728@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jesse Montrose" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 23:22:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cordless mouse with ThinkPad? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 12 Oct 1997 19:03:22 -0700, Jesse Montrose wrote: >At 06:35 PM 10/12/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>Only 2 things to carry? How hard could that be? I carry >>my portable Printer, multiport, cables, printer adapter, floppy >>drive, disks, an extra PCMCIA modem, this ThinkPad (of course), >>and I could fit it in just one backpack, although I normall have 2. > >Youch! > >My load is usually my 560, wireless modem, and sometimes a power supply or >extra battery (I keep a power supply at home and at the office, only need >to carry one if I'm going somewhere else).. I can fit it all in the >minimalist WetSuit case (formfitting wetsuit material case, the same size >as the laptop) and still have room in the pocket for a cellphone, pager and >wallet :) > >>But back to the cordless mouse topic: technically speaking, >>could one use the IR port for a mouse that connects that way? >>After all, it is just a regualry interfaced serial port, right? (after what >>I've heard)? > >Sounds reasonable, but I've never heard of an IRDA-speaking cordless mouse, >I thought they all used their own proprietary protocols. > Out of boredom tonight, I came across the May issue of PC Mag and saw some wireless mice and keyboards, and they even had a radio-controlled keyboard! If anyone wants me to get this information, or the articles' page numbers, I can do that. The only thing I wonder is compatibility for those of us here with OS/2 and Linux/UNIX. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 05:15:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285494147; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:15:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15253; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:13:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15146; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15136; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.esec.com (ns.esec.com [194.191.93.34]) by mail.eunet.ch (8.8.6/1.34) via ESMTP id JAA17303 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:13:15 GMT env-from (carsten.seibert@esec.com) Received: from snoopy.esec.com (snoopy.esec.com [194.191.93.97]) by ns.esec.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA02747 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:12:14 +0200 (METDST) Received: from esec.com (blanc.esec.com [194.191.94.144]) by snoopy.esec.com (8.8.3/8.8.2.1) with ESMTP id LAA06878 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:07:28 +0200 (METDST) Sender: carsten.seibert@esec.com Message-Id: <3441E5E7.20154A8C@esec.com> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:12:08 +0200 From: Carsten Seibert Organization: ESEC SA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: 760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, after installing the Windows 98 beta I have problems accessing the CD-ROM while it is in the Ultrabay. Installation itself was ok, no problems. But as soon as the display drivers are installed (Window's own or IBM provided), I can't access the CD-ROM. The icon is visible, but clicking on it results in an empty window (after a while). Do I need a special driver for the internal CD-ROM port? I had the same problem with Windows 95 before, so that I'm quite confident that is is not necessarily a Windows 98 problem. I'm using the Thinkpad under NT 4.0 (now even with ISDN!!) with the same configuration (CD-ROM in Ultrabay) and have no problems at all. But I think I installed a special driver for that IDE port under NT (I have to check). Any input is of course highly appreciated! Thanks, Carsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 06:16:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001967760; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:16:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22845; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22738; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VMSrelay4.pcy.mci.net (vmsrelay4.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22728; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr9-dialup6.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #10044) with SMTP id <01IOQXVD5N7E001IZ0@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:13:32 EDT Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:14:18 -0700 From: Neil Ripston Subject: Re: 760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay To: Carsten Seibert , Thinkpad mailing list Message-Id: <01IOQXVDQISS001IZ0@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Carsten, I don't have any problems with my CD ROM, but sometimes the 760ED forgets I have an external floppy when it is connected, and I have to go to control panel, Add / Remove hardware to get it to work again. You should try this. Secondly with Win 98, I can't get Hibernate or Suspend to work. If you have had any luck with this, I sure would be interested in finding out how you got it to work. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Neil Ripston -----Original Message----- From: Carsten Seibert To: Thinkpad mailing list Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 2:15 AM Subject: 760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay >Hi, > >after installing the Windows 98 beta I have problems accessing the >CD-ROM while it is in the Ultrabay. Installation itself was ok, no >problems. >But as soon as the display drivers are installed (Window's own or IBM >provided), I can't access the CD-ROM. The icon is visible, but clicking >on it results in an empty window (after a while). >Do I need a special driver for the internal CD-ROM port? >I had the same problem with Windows 95 before, so that I'm quite >confident that is is not necessarily a Windows 98 problem. >I'm using the Thinkpad under NT 4.0 (now even with ISDN!!) with the same >configuration (CD-ROM in Ultrabay) and have no problems at all. But I >think I installed a special driver for that IDE port under NT (I have to >check). >Any input is of course highly appreciated! > >Thanks, >Carsten > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 07:38:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023932701; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:38:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24779; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:36:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24650; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grm.se (kajsa.grm.se [194.218.145.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24631; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 07:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grm.se (du114-253.ppp.algonet.se [195.100.253.114]) by grm.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA17998; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:35:35 +0200 Message-Id: <34421664.6490B722@grm.se> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:39:01 +0100 From: Kristian Madsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Neil Ripston Subject: Re: 760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay References: <01IOQXVDQISS001IZ0@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Neil Ripston wrote: > Secondly with Win 98, I can't get Hibernate or Suspend to work. If you have > had any luck with this, I sure would be interested in finding out how you > got it to work. > I'm not sure whether this is the problem, but I think hibernate is only suposed to work on standard FAT partitions with a certain cluster size. /Kristian Madsen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 09:07:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047208024; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:07:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27674; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27511; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Hopey.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.234]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27501; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01IOQXISKSWW8WYHG2@Arizona.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:03:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA06738 for ; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:03:52 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:03:10 +0000 From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Hibernation - was "760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay" In-Reply-To: <34421664.6490B722@grm.se> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971013060310.01e549e0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <01IOQXVDQISS001IZ0@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:39 PM 10/13/97 +0100, you wrote: > > >Neil Ripston wrote: > >> Secondly with Win 98, I can't get Hibernate or Suspend to work. If you have >> had any luck with this, I sure would be interested in finding out how you >> got it to work. >> > >I'm not sure whether this is the problem, but I think hibernate is only suposed >to work on standard FAT partitions with a certain cluster size. > >/Kristian Madsen > Hibernate will work on a FAT or HPFS (with some tricks) partition. I don't know if a similar thing can be done with NTFS. I have a fairly new 765D. It has a Win95 factory preload with some additional drivers I added (3C562B, etc). It will not resume correctly from a suspend in Win95 nor will it hibernate correctly. I added NT 4 (NTFS on the D partition of the same 3.0 GB disk and NT will suspend or hibernate without problems (the file used for hibernation is on the FAT C: partition). OS/2 Warp v4 on a different disk will suspend and hibernate (hibernate file on FAT C:). Is there something about Win95 that can cause suspend / hibernate problems? ( I remove any stop and remove any PCMCIA comm cards prior to attempting to suspend/) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 12:00:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098058401; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:00:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07894; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:50:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07331; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07312; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts12.loop.net (p28.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.163]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA14395; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:48:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710131548.IAA14395@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kristian Madsen" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Neil Ripston" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:48:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 13:39:01 +0100, Kristian Madsen wrote: > > >Neil Ripston wrote: > >> Secondly with Win 98, I can't get Hibernate or Suspend to work. If you have >> had any luck with this, I sure would be interested in finding out how you >> got it to work. >> > >I'm not sure whether this is the problem, but I think hibernate is only suposed >to work on standard FAT partitions with a certain cluster size. > >/Kristian Madsen > > > The same happens in both OS/2 and Linux (when I had it). There is a REXX script to use HPFS, and I think someone on this list ported that to another scipting language for either NT or Linux. Right now I am using a 40MB partition for my hibernation file. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 12:03:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098908595; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:03:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07896; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:54:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07613; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07552; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p28.hwts12.loop.net (p28.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.163]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA14491; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 08:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710131551.IAA14491@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stuart F. Biggar" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 08:54:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation - was "760ED+Win95/98: Problems accessing CDROM in Ultrabay" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:03:10 +0000, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: >At 01:39 PM 10/13/97 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >>Neil Ripston wrote: >> >>> Secondly with Win 98, I can't get Hibernate or Suspend to work. If you >have >>> had any luck with this, I sure would be interested in finding out how you >>> got it to work. >>> >> >>I'm not sure whether this is the problem, but I think hibernate is only >suposed >>to work on standard FAT partitions with a certain cluster size. >> >>/Kristian Madsen >> > >Hibernate will work on a FAT or HPFS (with some tricks) partition. I don't >know >if a similar thing can be done with NTFS. > >I have a fairly new 765D. It has a Win95 factory preload with some additional >drivers I added (3C562B, etc). It will not resume correctly from a suspend in >Win95 nor will it hibernate correctly. I added NT 4 (NTFS on the D >partition of >the same 3.0 GB disk and NT will suspend or hibernate without problems (the >file >used for hibernation is on the FAT C: partition). OS/2 Warp v4 on a different >disk will suspend and hibernate (hibernate file on FAT C:). Is there >something >about Win95 that can cause suspend / hibernate problems? ( I remove any stop >and remove any PCMCIA comm cards prior to attempting to suspend/) > It seems weird that it wouldn't hibernate correctly. It may be a problem with the APM drivers. Does anyone know which revision they're using? Maybe trying it WITHOUT the APM drivers would work. Also, why we're talking about APM, a note for OS/2 users: Fixpack 4 has a problem with APM where if you go to standby mode, you have to keep the mouse moving or the screen will NOT wake up, and you have to reboot to correct the problem. Suspend works fine, though. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 15:17:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163400269; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:17:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21367; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:10:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21152; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21141; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA20248; Mon, 13 Oct 97 09:09:50 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22629; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:10:21 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA15524; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 09:10:28 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710131910.JAA15524@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Hibernation - was To: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (Stuart F. Biggar) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 9:10:27 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971013060310.01e549e0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu>; from "Stuart F. Biggar" at Oct 13, 97 6:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > disk will suspend and hibernate (hibernate file on FAT C:). Is there > something > about Win95 that can cause suspend / hibernate problems? ( I remove any stop > and remove any PCMCIA comm cards prior to attempting to suspend/) Yes, unfortunately; some windows components take a long time to shut down properly (even just for susoension), and some hardware suspend/hibernate buttons work too fast for this. Microsoft warns about this ins some docs, and suggests always suspending from the start button instead of from hardware. I've been having problems with my TP560 ever since I installed some new software (notably the DUN1.2 upgrade). I've had spotty luck hibernating from the function keys, decent luck using the TP560 'change battery' program (which is really just a hibernation function), and good luck using 'suspend' from the start menu. I'm still on an oldish BIOS revision; I wonder if newer ones would accomodate the sluggish new MS routines better. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 15:35:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA168891358; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:35:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22248; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:25:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22132; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22019; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts05.loop.net (p27.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.192]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA21575; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 12:19:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710131919.MAA21575@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Stuart F. Biggar" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 12:23:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation - was Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 97 9:10:27 HST, David Ross wrote: >> disk will suspend and hibernate (hibernate file on FAT C:). Is there >> something >> about Win95 that can cause suspend / hibernate problems? ( I remove any stop >> and remove any PCMCIA comm cards prior to attempting to suspend/) > >Yes, unfortunately; some windows components take a long time to shut down >properly (even just for susoension), and some hardware suspend/hibernate buttons >work too fast for this. Microsoft warns about this ins some docs, and suggests always >suspending from the start button instead of from hardware. > >I've been having problems with my TP560 ever since I installed some new software >(notably the DUN1.2 upgrade). I've had spotty luck hibernating from the function >keys, decent luck using the TP560 'change battery' program (which is really just a >hibernation function), and good luck using 'suspend' from the start menu. > >I'm still on an oldish BIOS revision; I wonder if newer ones would accomodate >the sluggish new MS routines better. > >- David > > I wonder why Microsoft doesn't seem to like users using the hardware suspend and hibernate keys. After all, they were put there for a reason, and all the new ThinkPads come with 95 anyways. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 17:49:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210389371; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:49:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00204; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:39:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29873; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29863; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 17:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA20873; Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:37:46 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23031; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:38:18 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15609; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 11:38:24 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710132138.LAA15609@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Hibernation - was To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:38:23 HST Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710131919.MAA21575@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 13, 97 12:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I wonder why Microsoft doesn't seem to like users using the hardware > suspend and hibernate keys. After all, they were put there for a reason, > and all the new ThinkPads come with 95 anyways. The point MS is making is that some of the processes of W95 take more time to shut down than some hardware hibernates will allow. This seems to be the case for my 560 with updated DUN and IE4.0. It was *not* the case with the factory installed W95, and I don't know if upgrading the thinkpad's bios will help. I don't really see this particular problem as Microsoft's fault - a W95-ready machine (as the thinkpads claim to be) should be clever enough not to stomp on critical active processes. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 18:27:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223751628; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:27:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03247; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:20:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03148; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03135; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts11.loop.net (p21.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.126]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA27552; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710132217.PAA27552@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu" , "Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 15:20:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation - was Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:38:23 HST, David Ross wrote: >> I wonder why Microsoft doesn't seem to like users using the hardware >> suspend and hibernate keys. After all, they were put there for a reason, >> and all the new ThinkPads come with 95 anyways. > >The point MS is making is that some of the processes of W95 take more time to >shut down than some hardware hibernates will allow. This seems to be the >case for my 560 with updated DUN and IE4.0. It was *not* the case with >the factory installed W95, and I don't know if upgrading the thinkpad's >bios will help. I don't really see this particular problem as Microsoft's >fault - a W95-ready machine (as the thinkpads claim to be) should be clever >enough not to stomp on critical active processes. > >- David > > Maybe it has to do with the processor threads and individual applications. Also, is there actually a choice to hibernate on the start pull-up bar? Also, what version of FAT do you have (16 or 32)? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 18:46:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230582778; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:46:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04368; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:39:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04120; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04108; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 18:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts11.loop.net (p21.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.126]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA27546; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 15:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710132217.PAA27546@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu" , "Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 15:20:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation - was Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 97 11:38:23 HST, David Ross wrote: >> I wonder why Microsoft doesn't seem to like users using the hardware >> suspend and hibernate keys. After all, they were put there for a reason, >> and all the new ThinkPads come with 95 anyways. > >The point MS is making is that some of the processes of W95 take more time to >shut down than some hardware hibernates will allow. This seems to be the >case for my 560 with updated DUN and IE4.0. It was *not* the case with >the factory installed W95, and I don't know if upgrading the thinkpad's >bios will help. I don't really see this particular problem as Microsoft's >fault - a W95-ready machine (as the thinkpads claim to be) should be clever >enough not to stomp on critical active processes. > >- David > > Maybe it has to do with the processor threads and individual applications. Also, is there actually a choice to hibernate on the start pull-up bar? Also, what version of FAT do you have (16 or 32)? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 22:35:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001456558; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:35:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20285; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20133; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20119; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA22198; Mon, 13 Oct 97 16:32:05 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA24204; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:32:36 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA15741; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 16:32:41 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710140232.QAA15741@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Hibernation - was To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 16:32:40 HST Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu, Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710132217.PAA27552@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 13, 97 3:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Maybe it has to do with the processor threads and individual applications. Almost surely. > Also, is there actually a choice to hibernate on the start pull-up bar? Also, > what version of FAT do you have (16 or 32)? There's a 'suspend' there, and this can be configured to suspend to disk, which is almost a hibernate (on some machines, like Winbooks, this is a genuine hibernate). FAT16, though I don't think this really matters (except that IBM does not officially support FAT32 so can't be held responsible for problems connected with it). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 13 22:36:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001526573; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:36:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20288; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20074; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca (ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca [131.104.96.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20056; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mully (ppp01-44.net.uoguelph.ca) by ccshst09.cs.uoguelph.ca with SMTP (1.40.112.3/16.2) id AA206836178; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:29:39 -0400 From: "Rob Hanson" To: Subject: 365XD Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:28:47 -0400 Message-Id: <01bcd848$e66a6ab0$900b6883@mully> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello. I'm not sure how to submit this e-mail so I'll just ask my question (if there's any problem with not submitting please contact me). I have a 365XD with an active matrix display. I'm trying to install Linux 3.3 and I can't seem to determine monitor specs for X-Windows. Does anyone out there have any suggestions? The laptop is a Pentium 120 24MB of RAM 800MB hard drive 4X CD-ROM 10.4" active matrix display Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. /*========================================*/ -rob rhanson@uoguelph.ca http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rhanson University of Guelph ========================================*/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 01:05:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA053755519; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:05:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26561; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:03:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26463; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26452; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p08.hwts05.loop.net (p08.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.173]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA06664; Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710140502.WAA06664@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Rob Hanson" Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:04:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:28:47 -0400, Rob Hanson wrote: >Hello. I'm not sure how to submit this e-mail so I'll just ask my question >(if there's any problem with not submitting please contact me). > >I have a 365XD with an active matrix display. I'm trying to install Linux >3.3 and I can't seem to determine monitor specs for X-Windows. Does anyone >out there have any suggestions? > >The laptop is a Pentium 120 > 24MB of RAM > 800MB hard drive > 4X CD-ROM > 10.4" active matrix display > >Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance. > Do you or anyone know what graphics chipset is used? Also, try the default VGA settings with the SVGA server to see if that works. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 03:24:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096493841; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:24:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00741; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:15:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00636; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00626; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2106 invoked by uid 30256); 14 Oct 1997 07:15:07 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:15:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: Rob Hanson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 365XD In-Reply-To: <01bcd848$e66a6ab0$900b6883@mully> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Rob Hanson wrote: > Hello. I'm not sure how to submit this e-mail so I'll just ask my question > (if there's any problem with not submitting please contact me). > > I have a 365XD with an active matrix display. I'm trying to install Linux > 3.3 and I can't seem to determine monitor specs for X-Windows. Does anyone > out there have any suggestions? Yes, you will find the XConfig file that you need at http://www.wwsi.com/linux-tp.html CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 07:07:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154107235; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:07:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14600; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:01:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14499; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VMSrelay2.pcy.mci.net (vmsrelay2.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.44]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14489; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ripston (usr9-dialup16.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #10044) with ESMTP id <01IOSDTJUNLY001O4G@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:00:58 EDT Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:00:08 -0400 From: Neil Ripston Subject: Re: Hibernation - was To: David Ross , pkhoury@loop.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IOSDTKCZUG001O4G@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have no problems with suspend or Hibernate with Win 95 OSR-2 (or OSR-1 for that matter). My only problem is with Win-98 (Memphis) where neither works. I can cycle the battery OK though. I believe OSR-2 and Memphis are Fat 32, and I have one drive with OSR-2 which works perfectly, and one with Memphis which does not work. ---------- > From: David Ross > To: pkhoury@loop.com > Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu; Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Hibernation - was > Date: Monday, October 13, 1997 10:32 PM > > > Maybe it has to do with the processor threads and individual applications. > > Almost surely. > > > Also, is there actually a choice to hibernate on the start pull-up bar? Also, > > what version of FAT do you have (16 or 32)? > > There's a 'suspend' there, and this can be configured to suspend to disk, > which is almost a hibernate (on some machines, like Winbooks, this is a genuine > hibernate). > > FAT16, though I don't think this really matters (except that IBM does not > officially support FAT32 so can't be held responsible for problems connected > with it). > > - David > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 13:25:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269629918; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:25:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00671; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:48:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29821; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29810; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86055-1>; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:47:44 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id SAA01720 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:47:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:10:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 365XD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rob Hanson (rhanson@uoguelph.ca) wrote: > I have a 365XD with an active matrix display. I'm trying to install Linux > out there have any suggestions? http://www.us.pc.ibm.com/products/thinkpad/2afe_11da.html says the machine has a Trident CYBER9320 chip (i.e. same as the 760EL I have). You could try XFree86 3.2 (newer versions don't work reliably for this chip) and my XF86Config you can find on http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html. You need to use the XF86_SVGA server. Mouse == PS/2. I don't use the X keyboard extensions. YMMV. > 10.4" active matrix display ^^^^^ Are you sure? The IBM Thinkpad page says those machines all have 11.3" displays, either DSTN or TFT. Maybe you have an older model which is no longer listed? To find out ybout your graphics chipset, you may want to look at the things W95 knows about (if you happen to have it on your machine). As for the Linux version & distribution I personally do not recommend Slackware. I have read of too many problems beginners (I assume you are, sorry if that's inappropriate) have with it. I'd spend some $$ and get a recent Red Hat (4.2) or Caldera CD. XFree86 3.2 is not very likely to be on these CDs any longer but you can try ftp.xfree86.org or any of its mirrors. If no success, contact me, I still have a mirror of it. I know of no commercial X server (MetroX, Accel-X) which supports the Trident Cyber family yet... You may want to check http://www.xinside.com/bd/trident.ax/index.html from time to time, though. XIG's laptop server doesn't support _any_ Trident chip yet. (Thomas, you read this?) Sound: the machine has an ESS1688 chip like my 760EL. SB16 emulation mode runs just fine for record any play. Just look which I/O ports and interrupts W95 claims to use and configure your sound driver accordingly (you do want to configure and compile your own kernel eventually...) Last, you may want to join the linux-laptop mailing list (linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu). Send an e-mail with "subscribe linux-laptop" to majordomo@vger.rutgers.edu. The traffic there is fairly low but you can contact experienced Linux Laptop users directly. And really last, my above web page has a number of Linux/Thinkpad related links. Hope this helps. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 13:57:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280661822; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:57:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04246; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:48:08 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03976; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA06654; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29085; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.esec.com (ns.esec.com [194.191.93.34]) by mail.eunet.ch (8.8.6/1.34) via ESMTP id QAA28287 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:32:41 GMT env-from (carsten.seibert@esec.com) Received: from snoopy.esec.com (snoopy.esec.com [194.191.93.97]) by ns.esec.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA03804 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:31:14 +0200 (METDST) Received: from esec.com (blanc.esec.com [194.191.94.144]) by snoopy.esec.com (8.8.3/8.8.2.1) with ESMTP id SAA07118 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:26:19 +0200 (METDST) Sender: carsten.seibert@esec.com Message-Id: <34439E46.2222B6B0@esec.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:31:03 +0200 From: Carsten Seibert Organization: ESEC SA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: TP760ED+NT4.0+IBM Simply Speaking Gold VoiceType Software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I ask this list a couple of days ago what possible solutions to my problem with IBM Simply Speaking Gold headset were. The mic power supplied by the Thinkpad was not sufficient. This problem was solved with an additional power supply (battery operated, between headset and laptop). With that, the mic worked great (e.g. for iphone). Now I tried again to install the voice type software. Actually for the first time, since it doesn't make that much sense without a good mic ;-) Pretty soon after starting the installation process, I got an error saying that the program couldn't play an audio file and that the software will not work without audio support. Well, I've NT4.0+SP3 and latest MWave drivers installed and all MS multimedia apps + Adobe premiere work just great. So I called the IBM help line and asked for advise. After about 2 weeks (I was checking almost daily the state of my problem) they finally told me today that there is an incompatibility between their software and the MWave hardware! That was it! The box of the software even states that it supports an MWave audio card. But no Thinkpad? Are they not even supporting the in-house (i.e. "own") platform. I am really disappointed. "IBM, where do you want to go today?" Carsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 14:36:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294644116; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:35:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06916; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06714; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06696; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from no92450 (ti01a04-0055.dialup.online.no [130.67.1.55]) by mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:27:05 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971014202821.006b5c34@indy.bssi.no> X-Sender: rbm@indy.bssi.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:28:21 +0100 To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert MacKinnon Subject: Re: 365XD In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:10 14/10/97 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: >.....You could >try XFree86 3.2 (newer versions don't work reliably for this chip) I've got a Thinkpad 760CD with a Trident 9320 chipset and 11.4" TFT LCD. I found that the XFree86 server shipping with the Redhat 4.2 CD will not work with the Thinkpad 760 CD/E/EL. However, installing the latest 3.3.1 server available from www.xfree86.org worked superbly. >As for the Linux version & distribution I personally do not recommend >Slackware. I have read of too many problems beginners (I assume you are, >sorry if that's inappropriate) have with it. I'd spend some $$ and get >a recent Red Hat (4.2) or Caldera CD. XFree86 3.2 is not very likely to >be on these CDs any longer but you can try ftp.xfree86.org or any of its >mirrors. If no success, contact me, I still have a mirror of it. Agreed. Redhat was a nobrainer to install and configure. Highly recommended. Rob. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 15:23:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012376992; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:23:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10993; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:19:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10763; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10698; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA24387; Tue, 14 Oct 97 09:04:28 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26809; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:04:59 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA16243; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:05:06 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710141905.JAA16243@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Hibernation - was To: neil.ripston@Internetmci.com (Neil Ripston) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 9:05:05 HST Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01IOSDTKCZUG001O4G@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET>; from "Neil Ripston" at Oct 14, 97 7:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have no problems with suspend or Hibernate with Win 95 OSR-2 (or OSR-1 > for that matter). My only problem is with Win-98 (Memphis) where neither > works. I can cycle the battery OK though. Me neither (also with OSR2), until I started upgrading some system components (i.e., the latest version of DUN). I think MS started circulating their hibernation warning about the time they came out with DUN1.2, so I'm likely not the only one who's had problems with the new stuff. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 17:11:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047173495; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:11:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16292; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:52:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15847; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15828; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA11553; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id QAA28521; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 16:52:18 -0400 (EDT) To: John Kim Cc: Robert MacKinnon , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Redhat on TP (was: 365XD) References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 14 Oct 1997 16:52:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: John Kim's message of "Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT)" Message-Id: Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John Kim writes: > To fix this problem, I need to download the PCMCIA source files > off the net and compile the appropriate modules to regain access > to the net. I would recommend you drop the source on to a MS-DOS floppy from another machine and just used mcopy/mount it (if you have FAT file support built into your new kernel). Alternativelym, if you have a modem, do something over the phone like SLIP or zmodem. > So be careful if you're recompiling the kernel with RedHat on > your laptop. Don't just make a backup of your old kernel, > backup the /lib/modules directory too. Good advice. > P.S. Does anyone know a way to get my new kernel to use the old > PCMCIA modules? It seems to me it shouldn't matter when the > modules were compiled. Am I missing something obvious? No can do. In order for loadable kernel modules to work, the modules themselves have know where in the kernel they are supposed to load. If you change the load points in the kernel (by creating a new kernel), you lose (there are ways of trying to shoehorn it back in, but I don't recommend it). Once you have the pcmcia source on your machine, I've found the rebuild/reinstall to be really easy. Peace, dNb P.S. (Been there, done that, with an even worse horror story I could tell). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 17:13:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047623602; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:13:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10701; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:16:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10520; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10398; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA24430; Tue, 14 Oct 97 09:14:18 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA26849; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:14:51 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA16254; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:14:58 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710141914.JAA16254@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: TP560 video driver upgrade To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 9:14:57 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yesterday I upgraded to version 1.22 of the W95 video driver for my TP560. An immediate 25% video speedup - very cool. (I have a P133 DSTN model, BTW). The curious thing is that in the docs that come with the driver, it says that my machine should now be capable of high color on the LCD. Now, I didn't believe it (I thought DSTN displays were limited to 256), and in fact I see no such improvement; however, the docs are quite clear about this in a couple of places. I quote: <1.02> - (Fix) (ThinkPad 560 only) The color depth with 16M colors is selectable on LCD. - (Fix) (ThinkPad 560 DSTN LCD model only) The color depth with 64K or 16M colors is selectable on LCD when the computer has a Cyber9382 video controller chip installed. <1.12> - (Fix) The ThinkPad 560 (9382) DSTN model can select 64K or 16M colors on LCD. <1.22> - (Fix) (ThinkPad 560 DSTN LCD model only) Some garbage on screen intermittently in 800x600 64K color mode. So, what's the deal? Should I in fact now have a 64K or 16M option in the system settings? I don't, but would like one (I miss fint smoothing). - Curious, David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 17:13:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047663609; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 17:13:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09964; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:04:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09710; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09688; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09443; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13790; Tue, 14 Oct 97 15:11:34 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA19951; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:11:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Robert MacKinnon Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Redhat on TP (was: 365XD) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971014202821.006b5c34@indy.bssi.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Robert MacKinnon wrote: > At 12:10 14/10/97 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: > >sorry if that's inappropriate) have with it. I'd spend some $$ and get > >a recent Red Hat (4.2) or Caldera CD. XFree86 3.2 is not very likely to > > Agreed. Redhat was a nobrainer to install and configure. Highly > recommended. Have any of you tried recompiling the kernel under RedHat 4.2? Apparently the PCMCIA module source is not included with the RedHat kernel/module source distribution. My newly compiled kernel supports my 701's SB emulation and IP masquerading, but not my PCMCIA slots - hence no ethernet and no Internet connection. I tried rebooting with my old kernel. It gave me back my PCMCIA support, but the new modules don't work with that kernel, which means my ethernet card doesn't work. So I can get ethernet support but no PCMCIA support (new kernel), or I can get PCMCIA support but no ethernet support (old kernel). To fix this problem, I need to download the PCMCIA source files off the net and compile the appropriate modules to regain access to the net. Catch-22... No problem, I figure. I'll just get the PCMCIA source files off the CD. Wait a sec, my CD drive is SCSI and uses a PCMCIA card. ARRRRGGGGHHH!!! So be careful if you're recompiling the kernel with RedHat on your laptop. Don't just make a backup of your old kernel, backup the /lib/modules directory too. (I still have access to my PCMCIA cards under Win95. Unfortunately, the PCMCIA source files are not on the 6-CD RedHat distribution, and my Internet connection has been down all weekend. I'll be taking another stab at it tomorrow.) P.S. Does anyone know a way to get my new kernel to use the old PCMCIA modules? It seems to me it shouldn't matter when the modules were compiled. Am I missing something obvious? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 23:15:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157995336; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:15:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01425; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:02:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01194; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01183; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts02.loop.net (p17.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.92]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA04184; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 19:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150258.TAA04184@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Neil Ripston" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 10:11:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation - was Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:00:08 -0400, Neil Ripston wrote: > >I have no problems with suspend or Hibernate with Win 95 OSR-2 (or OSR-1 >for that matter). My only problem is with Win-98 (Memphis) where neither >works. I can cycle the battery OK though. > >I believe OSR-2 and Memphis are Fat 32, and I have one drive with OSR-2 >which works perfectly, and one with Memphis which does not work. > So you don't have any FAT16 partitions? Also, it doesn't supprise me that suspend/hibernation doesn't work under Memphis; I'm sure it was that way when OS/2 2.1 and DOS 6.x's APM support just came out. One question also, how is battery life under Memphis? I heard that Windows 95 and its predecessors don't completely shut down the processor like Linux, OS/2 (and I think NT), so does that take a big toll on battery life? And what have the IBM tech support people said, if it's even worth calling them? One thing I wonder about is if they're told to give "dumb answers", so as not to confuse us or not to give us "secret" information. IBM seems to be like that sometimes. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 23:40:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165806799; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:39:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03102; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:36:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02973; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02932; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts02.loop.net (p17.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.92]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA07936; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150334.UAA07936@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "hmilz@seneca.muc.de" , "Robert MacKinnon" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 20:36:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:28:21 +0100, Robert MacKinnon wrote: >At 12:10 14/10/97 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: >>.....You could >>try XFree86 3.2 (newer versions don't work reliably for this chip) > >I've got a Thinkpad 760CD with a Trident 9320 chipset and 11.4" TFT LCD. I >found that the XFree86 server shipping with the Redhat 4.2 CD will not work >with the Thinkpad 760 CD/E/EL. However, installing the latest 3.3.1 server >available from www.xfree86.org worked superbly. > >>As for the Linux version & distribution I personally do not recommend >>Slackware. I have read of too many problems beginners (I assume you are, >>sorry if that's inappropriate) have with it. I'd spend some $$ and get >>a recent Red Hat (4.2) or Caldera CD. XFree86 3.2 is not very likely to >>be on these CDs any longer but you can try ftp.xfree86.org or any of its >>mirrors. If no success, contact me, I still have a mirror of it. > >Agreed. Redhat was a nobrainer to install and configure. Highly >recommended. >Rob. > I don't know. RedHat did seem easy when putting it on the server, but Slackware had more options (in some aspects). When I had Linux on my ThinkPad, I choose Debian, because I heard it was more configurable, but was a pain in the rear to install. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 23:42:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA166416948; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:42:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03056; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:35:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02887; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02866; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts02.loop.net (p17.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.92]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA07735; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150333.UAA07735@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 20:35:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 video driver upgrade Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 97 9:14:57 HST, David Ross wrote: >Yesterday I upgraded to version 1.22 of the W95 video driver for my >TP560. An immediate 25% video speedup - very cool. (I have a P133 DSTN >model, BTW). The curious thing is that in the docs that come with the >driver, it says that my machine should now be capable of high color >on the LCD. Now, I didn't believe it (I thought DSTN displays were >limited to 256), and in fact I see no such improvement; however, the >docs are quite clear about this in a couple of places. I quote: > ><1.02> >- (Fix) (ThinkPad 560 only) > The color depth with 16M colors is selectable on LCD. >- (Fix) (ThinkPad 560 DSTN LCD model only) > The color depth with 64K or 16M colors is selectable on LCD when > the computer has a Cyber9382 video controller chip installed. ><1.12> >- (Fix) The ThinkPad 560 (9382) DSTN model can select 64K or 16M > colors on LCD. ><1.22> >- (Fix) (ThinkPad 560 DSTN LCD model only) Some garbage on screen > intermittently in 800x600 64K color mode. > >So, what's the deal? Should I in fact now have a 64K or 16M option in >the system settings? I don't, but would like one (I miss fint >smoothing). > >- Curious, David > > I know that the palette for DSTN is lower than that of TFT, but I have my DSTN going at 64K colors (no palette, if memory serves me right), and I have the Chips & Tech 65545 (on the 701). The colors look better than that on my server, but that monitor is about 7-8 years old. I think that maybe the DSTN is limited on colors because it scans constantly, rather than having each pixel individually lit up. Anyone- correct me if I'm wrong. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 14 23:47:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA168187229; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:47:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03445; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:43:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03360; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03219; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts02.loop.net (p17.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.92]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA08544; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150340.UAA08544@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Carsten Seibert" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 20:42:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760ED+NT4.0+IBM Simply Speaking Gold VoiceType Software Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:31:03 +0200, Carsten Seibert wrote: >Hi, > >I ask this list a couple of days ago what possible solutions to my >problem with IBM Simply Speaking >Gold headset were. The mic power supplied by the Thinkpad was not >sufficient. This problem was >solved with an additional power supply (battery operated, between >headset and laptop). With that, >the mic worked great (e.g. for iphone). >Now I tried again to install the voice type software. Actually for the >first time, since it doesn't make >that much sense without a good mic ;-) >Pretty soon after starting the installation process, I got an error >saying that the program couldn't play >an audio file and that the software will not work without audio support. > >Well, I've NT4.0+SP3 and latest MWave drivers installed and all MS >multimedia apps + Adobe premiere work just great. So I called the IBM >help line and asked for advise. >After about 2 weeks (I was checking almost daily the state of my >problem) they finally told me today >that there is an incompatibility between their software and the MWave >hardware! >That was it! The box of the software even states that it supports an >MWave audio card. But no Thinkpad? >Are they not even supporting the in-house (i.e. "own") platform. > >I am really disappointed. "IBM, where do you want to go today?" > >Carsten > > Sounds like traditional IBM. Some stuff works great, other stuff, maybe not. They were ready to charge me just to REPLACE my defective Home & Away (on a lifetime warrany, BTW). And they couldn't help with the OS/2 Ethernet drivers, otherwise they'd have to charge me. Doesn't say that in the manual. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 15 02:51:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221458306; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:51:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08895; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08793; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08783; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts14.loop.net (p09.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.204]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA29683; Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710150647.XAA29683@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 23:49:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 video driver upgrade Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:12:11 HST, David Ross wrote: >> I know that the palette for DSTN is lower than that of TFT, but I have >> my DSTN going at 64K colors (no palette, if memory serves me right), and >> I have the Chips & Tech 65545 (on the 701). > >This is what I want too. I thought maybe upgrading the Thinkpad Features >program might be necessary to fully access the new video driver's >features, but all it seems to do is make hibernation work even less >well. In fact, I'm now even having sporadic trouble shutting down. >Maybe I should upgrade the BIOS and thereby lose the system >altogether:-) > >- David > > Does anyone know if you can save the current BIOS image to a disk? That way if something goes wrong, you can back up. Also David, have you checked out the OEM's web site? I was told that Chips & Tech would be the better place to go for updated OS/2 drivers, rather than the ones IBM has. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 15 06:44:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280002287; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:44:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23764; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:41:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23664; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from VMSrelay4.pcy.mci.net (vmsrelay4.pcy.mci.net [204.71.0.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23654; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr9-dialup19.mix1.WillowSprings.mci.net) by MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #10044) with SMTP id <01IOTREQUFLW001N5A@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:40:43 EDT Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:41:26 -0700 From: Neil Ripston Subject: Re: Hibernation - was To: Paul Khoury , David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IOTRERFMHY001N5A@MAIL-RELAY.PCY.MCI.NET> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: >So you don't have any FAT16 partitions? Also, it doesn't supprise me that >suspend/hibernation doesn't work under Memphis; I'm sure it was that way >when OS/2 2.1 and DOS 6.x's APM support just came out. > >One question also, how is battery life under Memphis? I heard that Windows >95 and its predecessors don't completely shut down the processor like Linux, >OS/2 (and I think NT), so does that take a big toll on battery life? > >And what have the IBM tech support people said, if it's even worth calling them? >One thing I wonder about is if they're told to give "dumb answers", so as not to confuse >us or not to give us "secret" information. IBM seems to be like that sometimes. > >Paul No Fat 16 partitions, I run the notebook full power on the battery, with normally no power saving features used (Except Hibernate and Suspend which don't work). I've noticed no difference in how long the battery lasts. Last but not least, I did Email Lyle Caldwell who works for IBM Easy Serv and while he gave me very valid suggestions, none of them solved the problem. The Memphis web site does not work because it needs a password that I don't have. I'm just plain out of luck. I'm waiting for some brilliant soul in this group to solve the problem, and let us all know what was wrong. Sincerely, Neil Ripston From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 15 16:15:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159126555; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:15:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22126; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:04:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21625; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cais3.cais.com (cais3.cais.com [199.0.216.227]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21614; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais3.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA10129 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP560E Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone compared the performance between the 560E (150Mh) and the 560(133Mh/DS). Is is worth the difference in $. TIA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 02:07:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043612036; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:07:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16699; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:02:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16418; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16407; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts00.loop.net (p00.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.15]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03447; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710160601.XAA03447@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Neil Ripston" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 09:31:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernation - was Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:41:26 -0700, Neil Ripston wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: > >>So you don't have any FAT16 partitions? Also, it doesn't supprise me that >>suspend/hibernation doesn't work under Memphis; I'm sure it was that way >>when OS/2 2.1 and DOS 6.x's APM support just came out. >> >>One question also, how is battery life under Memphis? I heard that Windows >>95 and its predecessors don't completely shut down the processor like >Linux, >>OS/2 (and I think NT), so does that take a big toll on battery life? >> >>And what have the IBM tech support people said, if it's even worth calling >them? >>One thing I wonder about is if they're told to give "dumb answers", so as >not to confuse >>us or not to give us "secret" information. IBM seems to be like that >sometimes. >> >>Paul > >No Fat 16 partitions, I run the notebook full power on the battery, with >normally no power saving features used (Except Hibernate and Suspend which >don't work). I've noticed no difference in how long the battery lasts. >Last but not least, I did Email Lyle Caldwell who works for IBM Easy Serv >and while he gave me very valid suggestions, none of them solved the >problem. The Memphis web site does not work because it needs a password >that I don't have. I'm just plain out of luck. > Must be password protected for beta testing. >I'm waiting for some brilliant soul in this group to solve the problem, and >let us all know what was wrong. > Too bad I couldn't help; I'm sure there are peopler here who are know more than my limited knowledge of Windows. My normal specialy is OS/2 and hardware. Well, I guess there is one alternative - I have a friend who works at Microsoft. Even though he does not program or use Memphis (he is the lead programer for Word), he might have a friend there who knows. Should I just ask him if he knows how to get suspend/hibernation to work on an IBM ThinkPad with Memphis? Later, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 02:29:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049903359; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:29:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17601; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:26:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17364; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17290; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts00.loop.net (p00.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.15]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04411; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710160623.XAA04411@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 23:25:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560E Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >Has anyone compared the performance between the 560E (150Mh) and >the 560(133Mh/DS). Is is worth the difference in $. > >TIA > > I haven't compared these machines, but from reading magazine articles, like PC MAG's reviews, it says that sometimes faster processors really aren't that much faster than say 133 compared to a 120, or even a 100, and they are usually slower than their desktop counterparts. Try looking up the Intel benchmark, what ever it was called, ICOMP or something like that. I suppose that subtle differences might be there, though. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 05:29:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095494189; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:29:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00870; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:25:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00297; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29979; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.18.124.27] (SoCal56k127.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.27]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA29272 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:24:46 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:18:30 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: PCMCIA IDE adapters Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu One of my friends is working on a PCMCIA IDE adapter as a commercial product, and having some real troubles. The drives don't seem to be getting enough power, requiring a external additional power supply. Nothing over a 2.1 GB drive is seen in W95. Any ideas? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 09:21:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154118107; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:21:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07491; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:12:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07389; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07375; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Komma.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2) from localhost with smtp id ; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:51:09 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:51:07 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Paul Khoury Cc: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP560E In-Reply-To: <199710160623.XAA04411@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >Has anyone compared the performance between the 560E (150Mh) and > >the 560(133Mh/DS). Is is worth the difference in $. > PC MAG's reviews, it says that sometimes faster processors really > aren't that much > faster than say 133 compared to a 120, or even a 100, and they are > usually slower As far as I know, the 560E features 2nd level cache which makes it considerably faster. Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 09:23:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154788188; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:23:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08073; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:19:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07967; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07934; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tom-s-laptop (slip129-37-239-115.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.239.115]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA147446; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:18:53 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: , "Mike Ford" Subject: Re: PCMCIA IDE adapters Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:17:31 -0600 Message-Id: <01bcda35$dc289420$73ef2581@tom-s-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You need to use FAT32 to have drive partitions larger than 2.1GB. -----Original Message----- >Nothing over a 2.1 GB drive is seen in W95. > >Any ideas? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 13:10:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235701834; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:10:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19851; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:54:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19683; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19631; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA03410; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP560E In-Reply-To: <199710160623.XAA04411@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I haven't compared these machines, but from reading magazine articles, like > PC MAG's reviews, it says that sometimes faster processors really aren't that much > faster than say 133 compared to a 120, or even a 100, and they are usually slower > than their desktop counterparts. Try looking up the Intel benchmark, what ever it was called, > ICOMP or something like that. I suppose that subtle differences might be there, though. They should have a fairly large difference in performance. Since thr regular 560 doesn't have L2 cache my P120 TP560 performs about like a regular P90 desktop. OTOH, a TP560E with a P150 and L2 cache should be at least equal to a P133 desktop in speed. The doubling of L1 cache and addition of mostly useless MMX instructions [I do have a MMX desktop CPU BTW] means it should be at least as fast as a standard Pentium 166 desktop IMHO. The increase in L1 cache size alone makes a P166MMX slightly faster than a regular P200, so it should make a P150MMX faster than a regular P166. I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this one is fast enough for what I do. With what I do on it it is about as fast as my P250MMX [overclocking is fun] desktop. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 13:12:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236361946; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:12:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20897; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:06:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20808; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20790; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA03494; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:03:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:03:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: richard Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP560E In-Reply-To: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, richard wrote: > >I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual > >scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this > > Any idea if this would really work? I'm waiting for IBM to put their hardware reference manual on the web site. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 13:18:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238402289; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:18:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20674; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:03:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20552; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20529; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts2port48.port.net (usrts2port48.port.net [207.237.104.112]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA19686; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Steve Parker Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP560E Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:02:19 -0400 Message-Id: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this Any idea if this would really work? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 13:47:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251504026; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:47:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22773; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:38:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22659; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (holly.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.22.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22646; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wn.planet.gen.nz.sky-consulting.co.nz (ppp0-00.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.22.48]) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA19415 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:35:19 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <344651D5.298BFE38@sky-consulting.co.nz> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:41:41 +1300 From: Steve Colebrooke Organization: Sky Consulting Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: How do I unsubscribe? 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Thanks, Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sky Consulting Ltd. 944 Ohariu Valley Rd,Ohariu Valley,Wellington,NZ Steve Colebrooke Mobile:25 840 854 ICQ UIN:807818 Tel:+64 4 477 2343 Stephanie Young Mobile:25 840 853 ICQ UIN:859455 Fax:+64 4 477 2342 Our emails skycon, spcole and skyoung are all @sky-consulting.co.nz Information Systems-Project Management, Analysis, Design and Testing -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 14:22:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265856127; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:22:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25180; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:08:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24948; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24902; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09206; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:08:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09179; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:07:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016140507.00a13e70@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:05:07 -0400 To: Steve Parker From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP560E Cc: ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: References: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:03 AM 10/16/97 -0700, Steve Parker wrote: > I'm waiting for IBM to put their hardware reference manual on the web >site. > The parts manuals or the service manuals? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 14:30:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269856650; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:30:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25870; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:20:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25734; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25695; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10748; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10730; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:19:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016141606.00a002e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:16:06 -0400 To: Steve Parker From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP560E Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971016140507.00a13e70@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:12 AM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote: >> The parts manuals or the service manuals? > > Parts manuals of course. > Wait no more... http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 14:58:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280608312; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:58:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27838; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:54:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27731; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27720; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03960; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:52:25 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:52:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Jane Loyless Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560E In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971016141606.00a002e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Jane Loyless wrote: > http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ I know about that site, and they still don't have the 560E's parts breakdown available. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 15:35:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294520541; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:35:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29999; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:21:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29303; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29269; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19333; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:20:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA19326; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:20:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016151741.00a26ad0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:17:41 -0400 To: Steve Parker From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP560E Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19971016141606.00a002e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:52 AM 10/16/97 -0700, Steve Parker wrote: > I know about that site, and they still don't have the 560E's parts >breakdown available. > OK - I misread your first note and thought you didn't realize the site was there. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 15:41:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297330896; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:41:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00624; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:36:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00517; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00486; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86044-2>; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:36:17 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id VAA12951 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:36:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:47:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 365XD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert MacKinnon (rbm@doglover.com) wrote: > > I've got a Thinkpad 760CD with a Trident 9320 chipset and 11.4" TFT LCD. I > found that the XFree86 server shipping with the Redhat 4.2 CD will not work > with the Thinkpad 760 CD/E/EL. However, installing the latest 3.3.1 server > available from www.xfree86.org worked superbly. I should have added "with this chip attached to a DSTN". In my case 3.3.1 swaps the left and right halves of the screen. It works find on an external monitor, though. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 16:04:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007882253; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:04:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02056; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:54:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01930; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from law.harvard.edu (daemon@law.harvard.edu [140.247.200.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01916; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Rob (hls-rhfriedm.student.harvard.edu) by law.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268171656; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:54:16 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971016154451.377f0310@pop.law.harvard.edu> X-Sender: rhfriedm@pop.law.harvard.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.2 (16) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:44:51 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rob Friedman Subject: laptop upgrade? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm called Portable Enhancements. Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest buying another computer? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Rob Friedman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 16:19:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013943194; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:19:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03166; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:10:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03067; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03052; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 16:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA06321; Thu, 16 Oct 97 10:08:50 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04227; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:09:25 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17481; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:09:29 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710162009.KAA17481@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP560E To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 10:09:29 HST Cc: sparker@torgo.punk.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net>; from "richard" at Oct 16, 97 1:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker > wrote: > > >I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual > >scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this > > Any idea if this would really work? Interestingly, while these machines share the same video drivers and 'features' programs, they have very different BIOS revisions. I would be very hesitant to try this. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 16 17:49:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046918556; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:49:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07622; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:38:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07452; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07437; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 17:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04540; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Rob Friedman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19971016154451.377f0310@pop.law.harvard.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm > called Portable Enhancements. > > Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? > If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest > buying another computer? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives contents. If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for $1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes [P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they even have built in 28.8 modems. PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from the case in the real world. If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium 166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is insignificant. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 00:03:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA166200980; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:03:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22910; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:56:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22770; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22758; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 23:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts14.loop.net (p00.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.195]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA12590; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710170355.UAA12590@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mike Ford" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 06:37:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PCMCIA IDE adapters Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:18:30 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >One of my friends is working on a PCMCIA IDE adapter as a commercial >product, and having some real troubles. > >The drives don't seem to be getting enough power, requiring a external >additional power supply. > >Nothing over a 2.1 GB drive is seen in W95. > >Any ideas? > > > You need to have a good supply of 5V and 12V coming out of the power supply, but all that the 2.5" drives need is the 5 volt line. I don't know about the amps, but drives would take a fair amount of current, because you have the board, servo (to spin up the drive), voicecoil (that is, the heads), etc., and may require a lot of current. I don't know why nothing over 2.1 gigs works, but you might also want to try partitioning it differently, too. The only reason I can think of that the larger drives woud consume more power is because they need to spin a bit faster because of the increased need for a fast data transfer. BTW, what OSes would this adapter be compatible with? Regards (and also my 5 cents this time). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 00:32:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176252753; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:32:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24444; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:25:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24351; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24334; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts00.loop.net (p17.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.32]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA11571; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710170423.VAA11571@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Rob Friedman" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 21:23:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: > >> I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >> called Portable Enhancements. >> >> Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >> If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >> buying another computer? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They >seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate >performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU >upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and >trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. And PEP seemed more interested in making a buck rather than really helping, at least in my opinion. > > I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye >seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the >cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives >contents. > > If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you >should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for >$1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred >dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes >[P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they >even have built in 28.8 modems. > > PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this >mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark >numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS >benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you >numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from >the case in the real world. > > If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide >honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you >said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems >speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest >TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. > > The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have >a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they >charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly >diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular >Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium >166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is >insignificant. > Keep in mind also that upgrading will void your warranty. I believe the 7xx series have a 3 year warranty, and the others have a 1 year warranty. I saw in a magazine that the 770 only has a 1 year warranty, but I don't know if that is true. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 00:37:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177693062; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:37:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24734; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:28:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24652; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24625; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts00.loop.net (p17.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.32]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA11990; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710170427.VAA11990@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Christoph Eyrich" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 21:29:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560E Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:51:07 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> >Has anyone compared the performance between the 560E (150Mh) and >> >the 560(133Mh/DS). Is is worth the difference in $. > >> PC MAG's reviews, it says that sometimes faster processors really >> aren't that much >> faster than say 133 compared to a 120, or even a 100, and they are >> usually slower > >As far as I know, the 560E features 2nd level cache which makes it >considerably faster. > > >Christoph Eyrich > > >eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de > > > I guess that'd make a difference, but I never notice, because most of my systems now are older XTs, PC's and PS/2's. I only have 2 machines with cache, the Pentuim Server with 256K of L2. Also, does anybody know what other systems have cache in them? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 01:23:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA192155833; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:23:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26103; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:18:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25907; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25896; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts00.loop.net (p12.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.27]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17872; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710170517.WAA17872@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Harald Milz" , "hmilz@seneca.muc.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 21:39:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 365XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:47:00 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: >Robert MacKinnon (rbm@doglover.com) wrote: >> >> I've got a Thinkpad 760CD with a Trident 9320 chipset and 11.4" TFT LCD. I >> found that the XFree86 server shipping with the Redhat 4.2 CD will not work >> with the Thinkpad 760 CD/E/EL. However, installing the latest 3.3.1 server >> available from www.xfree86.org worked superbly. > >I should have added "with this chip attached to a DSTN". In my case 3.3.1 >swaps the left and right halves of the screen. It works find on an external >monitor, though. > > So in other words, the display gets messed up? Also, I don't think DSTN has a left and a right. It's supposed to be a top and a bottom. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 01:27:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193166070; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:27:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26100; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:19:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25948; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25924; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 01:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p12.hwts00.loop.net (p12.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.27]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17857; Thu, 16 Oct 1997 22:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710170517.WAA17857@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 21:36:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560E Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:02:19 -0400, richard wrote: >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker >wrote: > >>I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >>scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this > >Any idea if this would really work? > > Probably, but I wish you luck. Although technically the warranty would be void, what IBM doesn't know can't hurt them. Or your warranty, for that matter. But around the time of my EasyServ ordeal, they actually sent out some parts, so here I am at school, during a free period on finals day (2 hours) with the ThinkPad taken apart so I could try to mix it. I got it all back together, but IBM didn't seem to care. Maybe I was lucky. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 03:08:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225972108; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:08:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01477; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:05:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00981; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (holly.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.22.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00809; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 03:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wn.planet.gen.nz.sky-consulting.co.nz (ppp0-00.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.22.48]) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28584 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:00:37 +1200 (NZST) Message-Id: <34470EA1.28203C13@sky-consulting.co.nz> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:07:13 +1300 From: Steve Colebrooke Organization: Sky Consulting Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe spcole@sky-consulting.co.nz -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sky Consulting Ltd. 944 Ohariu Valley Rd,Ohariu Valley,Wellington,NZ Steve Colebrooke Mobile:25 840 854 ICQ UIN:807818 Tel:+64 4 477 2343 Stephanie Young Mobile:25 840 853 ICQ UIN:859455 Fax:+64 4 477 2342 Our emails skycon, spcole and skyoung are all @sky-consulting.co.nz Information Systems-Project Management, Analysis, Design and Testing -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 13:55:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111790956; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:55:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14929; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:39:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14737; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14718; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-33.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.163]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA101458 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:38:29 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017133641.006b440c@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:36:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Fri, 17 Oct 1997 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19971016154451.377f0310@pop.law.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 From: Steve Parker To: Rob Friedman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? Message-Id: On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: > I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm > called Portable Enhancements. > > Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? > If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest > buying another computer? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives contents. If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for $1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes [P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they even have built in 28.8 modems. PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from the case in the real world. If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium 166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is insignificant. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ >In-Reply-To: <199710160623.XAA04411@ritchie.loop.com> >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 >From: Steve Parker >To: Paul Khoury >CC: rj , ThinkPad List >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: > >On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I haven't compared these machines, but from reading magazine articles, like >> PC MAG's reviews, it says that sometimes faster processors really aren't that > much >> faster than say 133 compared to a 120, or even a 100, and they are usually > slower >> than their desktop counterparts. Try looking up the Intel benchmark, what > ever it was called, >> ICOMP or something like that. I suppose that subtle differences might be > there, though. > > They should have a fairly large difference in performance. Since thr >regular 560 doesn't have L2 cache my P120 TP560 performs about like a >regular P90 desktop. OTOH, a TP560E with a P150 and L2 cache should be at >least equal to a P133 desktop in speed. The doubling of L1 cache and >addition of mostly useless MMX instructions [I do have a MMX desktop CPU >BTW] means it should be at least as fast as a standard Pentium 166 desktop >IMHO. > > The increase in L1 cache size alone makes a P166MMX slightly faster than >a regular P200, so it should make a P150MMX faster than a regular P166. >I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this >one is fast enough for what I do. With what I do on it it is about as >fast as my P250MMX [overclocking is fun] desktop. > > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > >In-Reply-To: >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:02:19 -0400 >From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) >To: Steve Parker >CC: ThinkPad List >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net> > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker >wrote: > >>I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >>scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this > >Any idea if this would really work? > >In-Reply-To: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net> >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:03:28 -0700 >From: Steve Parker >To: richard >CC: ThinkPad List >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, richard wrote: >> >I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >> >scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this >> >> Any idea if this would really work? > > I'm waiting for IBM to put their hardware reference manual on the web >site. > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 06:41:41 +1300 >From: Steve Colebrooke >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: How do I unsubscribe? >Message-Id: <344651D5.298BFE38@sky-consulting.co.nz> > >Sorry for disturbing the whole list but I have used unsubscribe to >THINKPAD-REQUESTS@CS.UTK.EDU and it hasn't worked. > >Thanks, > >Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >Sky Consulting Ltd. 944 Ohariu Valley Rd,Ohariu Valley,Wellington,NZ >Steve Colebrooke Mobile:25 840 854 ICQ UIN:807818 Tel:+64 4 477 2343 >Stephanie Young Mobile:25 840 853 ICQ UIN:859455 Fax:+64 4 477 2342 >Our emails skycon, spcole and skyoung are all @sky-consulting.co.nz >Information Systems-Project Management, Analysis, Design and Testing > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >In-Reply-To: >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:05:07 -0400 >From: Jane Loyless >To: Steve Parker >CC: ThinkPad List >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016140507.00a13e70@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> > >At 10:03 AM 10/16/97 -0700, Steve Parker wrote: > >> I'm waiting for IBM to put their hardware reference manual on the web >>site. >> > >The parts manuals or the service manuals? >In-Reply-To: >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:16:06 -0400 >From: Jane Loyless >To: Steve Parker >CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016141606.00a002e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> > >At 11:12 AM 10/16/97 -0700, you wrote: > >>> The parts manuals or the service manuals? >> >> Parts manuals of course. >> > >Wait no more... > >http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ >In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971016141606.00a002e0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:52:24 -0700 >From: Steve Parker >To: Jane Loyless >CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Jane Loyless wrote: > >> http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/parts/ > > I know about that site, and they still don't have the 560E's parts >breakdown available. > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > >In-Reply-To: >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:17:41 -0400 >From: Jane Loyless >To: Steve Parker >CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971016151741.00a26ad0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> > >At 11:52 AM 10/16/97 -0700, Steve Parker wrote: > >> I know about that site, and they still don't have the 560E's parts >>breakdown available. >> > >OK - I misread your first note and thought you didn't realize the site was >there. >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:47:00 +0200 >From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) >Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: 365XD >Message-Id: > >Robert MacKinnon (rbm@doglover.com) wrote: >> >> I've got a Thinkpad 760CD with a Trident 9320 chipset and 11.4" TFT LCD. I >> found that the XFree86 server shipping with the Redhat 4.2 CD will not work >> with the Thinkpad 760 CD/E/EL. However, installing the latest 3.3.1 server >> available from www.xfree86.org worked superbly. > >I should have added "with this chip attached to a DSTN". In my case 3.3.1 >swaps the left and right halves of the screen. It works find on an external >monitor, though. > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 15:44:51 >From: Rob Friedman >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: laptop upgrade? >Message-Id: <3.0.2.16.19971016154451.377f0310@pop.law.harvard.edu> > >I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >called Portable Enhancements. > >Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >buying another computer? > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Rob Friedman >In-Reply-To: <347c4827.251911047@mail.interport.net>; from "richard" at Oct 16, > 97 1:02 pm >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:09:29 -1000 >From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) >To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) >CC: sparker@torgo.punk.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <199710162009.KAA17481@tarski.hawaii.edu> > >> On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker > >> wrote: >> >> >I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >> >scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this >> >> Any idea if this would really work? > >Interestingly, while these machines share the same video drivers and >'features' programs, they have very different BIOS revisions. I would >be very hesitant to try this. > >- David > >In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.16.19971016154451.377f0310@pop.law.harvard.edu> >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 >From: Steve Parker >To: Rob Friedman >CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? >Message-Id: > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: > >> I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >> called Portable Enhancements. >> >> Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >> If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >> buying another computer? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They >seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate >performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU >upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and >trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. > > I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye >seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the >cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives >contents. > > If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you >should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for >$1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred >dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes >[P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they >even have built in 28.8 modems. > > PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this >mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark >numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS >benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you >numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from >the case in the real world. > > If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide >honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you >said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems >speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest >TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. > > The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have >a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they >charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly >diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular >Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium >166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is >insignificant. > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== >============================================================================ > > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 06:37:44 >From: "Paul Khoury" >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mike Ford" >Subject: Re: PCMCIA IDE adapters >Message-Id: <199710170355.UAA12590@ritchie.loop.com> > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:18:30 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: > >>One of my friends is working on a PCMCIA IDE adapter as a commercial >>product, and having some real troubles. >> >>The drives don't seem to be getting enough power, requiring a external >>additional power supply. >> >>Nothing over a 2.1 GB drive is seen in W95. >> >>Any ideas? >> >> >> >You need to have a good supply of 5V and 12V coming out >of the power supply, but all that the 2.5" drives need is the 5 volt >line. I don't know about the amps, but drives would take a fair amount >of current, because you have the board, servo (to spin up the drive), >voicecoil (that is, the heads), etc., and may require a lot of current. > >I don't know why nothing over 2.1 gigs works, but you might also want >to try partitioning it differently, too. > >The only reason I can think of that the larger drives woud consume more power >is because they need to spin a bit faster because of the increased need for a > fast >data transfer. BTW, what OSes would this adapter be compatible with? > >Regards (and also my 5 cents this time). > >Paul > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:23:04 >From: "Paul Khoury" >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >To: "Rob Friedman" , > "Steve Parker" >CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? >Message-Id: <199710170423.VAA11571@stevie.loop.com> > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: > >>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: >> >>> I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >>> called Portable Enhancements. >>> >>> Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >>> If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >>> buying another computer? >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They >>seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate >>performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU >>upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and >>trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. > >And PEP seemed more interested in making a buck rather than really >helping, at least in my opinion. >> >> I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye >>seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the >>cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives >>contents. >> >> If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you >>should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for >>$1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred >>dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes >>[P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they >>even have built in 28.8 modems. >> >> PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this >>mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark >>numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS >>benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you >>numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from >>the case in the real world. >> >> If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide >>honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you >>said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems >>speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest >>TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. >> >> The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have >>a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they >>charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly >>diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular >>Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium >>166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is >>insignificant. >> >Keep in mind also that upgrading will void your warranty. I believe the 7xx > series have >a 3 year warranty, and the others have a 1 year warranty. I saw in a magazine > that the 770 >only has a 1 year warranty, but I don't know if that is true. > >Paul > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:29:39 >From: "Paul Khoury" >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >To: "ThinkPad List" , > "Christoph Eyrich" >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <199710170427.VAA11990@stevie.loop.com> > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:51:07 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: > >>On Wed, 15 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: >> >>> >Has anyone compared the performance between the 560E (150Mh) and >>> >the 560(133Mh/DS). Is is worth the difference in $. >> >>> PC MAG's reviews, it says that sometimes faster processors really >>> aren't that much >>> faster than say 133 compared to a 120, or even a 100, and they are >>> usually slower >> >>As far as I know, the 560E features 2nd level cache which makes it >>considerably faster. >> >> >>Christoph Eyrich >> >> >>eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de >> >> >> >I guess that'd make a difference, but I never notice, because most >of my systems now are older XTs, PC's and PS/2's. I only have 2 machines >with cache, the Pentuim Server with 256K of L2. > >Also, does anybody know what other systems have cache in them? > >Paul > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:39:05 >From: "Paul Khoury" >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >To: "Harald Milz" , > "hmilz@seneca.muc.de" , > "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >Subject: Re: 365XD >Message-Id: <199710170517.WAA17872@stevie.loop.com> > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:47:00 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: > >>Robert MacKinnon (rbm@doglover.com) wrote: >>> >>> I've got a Thinkpad 760CD with a Trident 9320 chipset and 11.4" TFT LCD. I >>> found that the XFree86 server shipping with the Redhat 4.2 CD will not work >>> with the Thinkpad 760 CD/E/EL. However, installing the latest 3.3.1 server >>> available from www.xfree86.org worked superbly. >> >>I should have added "with this chip attached to a DSTN". In my case 3.3.1 >>swaps the left and right halves of the screen. It works find on an external >>monitor, though. >> >> >So in other words, the display gets messed up? Also, I don't think DSTN has >a left and a right. It's supposed to be a top and a bottom. > >Paul > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 21:36:58 >From: "Paul Khoury" >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >To: "richard" , "Steve Parker" >CC: "ThinkPad List" >Subject: Re: TP560E >Message-Id: <199710170517.WAA17857@stevie.loop.com> > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 13:02:19 -0400, richard wrote: > >>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker >>wrote: >> >>>I've been drooling over the new 560E's and wondering if I could get a dual >>>scan 560E and swap displays with my 12.1" active TP560-120. OTOH, this >> >>Any idea if this would really work? >> >> >Probably, but I wish you luck. Although technically the warranty would >be void, what IBM doesn't know can't hurt them. Or your warranty, for that > matter. > >But around the time of my EasyServ ordeal, they actually sent out some parts, so > here I am >at school, during a free period on finals day (2 hours) with the ThinkPad taken > apart so I could >try to mix it. I got it all back together, but IBM didn't seem to care. Maybe > I was lucky. > >Paul > >Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:07:13 +1300 >From: Steve Colebrooke >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Message-Id: <34470EA1.28203C13@sky-consulting.co.nz> > >unsubscribe spcole@sky-consulting.co.nz > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >Sky Consulting Ltd. 944 Ohariu Valley Rd,Ohariu Valley,Wellington,NZ >Steve Colebrooke Mobile:25 840 854 ICQ UIN:807818 Tel:+64 4 477 2343 >Stephanie Young Mobile:25 840 853 ICQ UIN:859455 Fax:+64 4 477 2342 >Our emails skycon, spcole and skyoung are all @sky-consulting.co.nz >Information Systems-Project Management, Analysis, Design and Testing > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 14:08:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115831680; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 14:08:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15798; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:56:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15681; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15653; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-1.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.131]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA48324 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:55:34 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971017135347.006aa3fc@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 13:53:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW 486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget the model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. With Win95 & Office97 in my machine now, I'm "seeing" slow operating speed, especially when multi-tasking - even with 24 megs of RAM. I don't have $1500-2500 or more to buy a new system, but I might could maybe squeeze out $400 for the cpu upgrade. The 701 seems in fine shape & should have a couple more years of life in it. Maybe more with a cpu upgrade. Although my upgraded system would not be the latest/greatest/fastest around, would I pick up enough "Bang for the Buck" to make the upgrade worthwhile?? BobM Penn State Harrisburg ----------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 >From: Steve Parker >To: Rob Friedman >CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: > >> I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >> called Portable Enhancements. >> >> Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >> If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >> buying another computer? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They >seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate >performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU >upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and >trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. > > I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye >seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the >cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives >contents. > > If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you >should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for >$1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred >dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes >[P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they >even have built in 28.8 modems. > > PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this >mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark >numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS >benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you >numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from >the case in the real world. > > If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide >honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you >said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems >speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest >TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. > > The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have >a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they >charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly >diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular >Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium >166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is >insignificant. > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 15:30:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144406609; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:30:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19955; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19777; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19757; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts3port1.port.net (usrts3port1.port.net [207.237.104.129]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04562 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:12:45 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: 233 mhz 560 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <348cb86b.307111172@mail.interport.net> References: <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu sorry for the formatting, but: IBM will introduce a ThinkPad 560 "thin-and-light" notebook next month that features Intel Corp.'s new mobile 233MHz Pentium processor with MMX Technology, industry sources said. Analysts said IBM would be the first vendor to ship a thin-and-light notebook that uses the processor. Such notebooks are generally defined as being 1.25-inches or less thick and weighing under 5 pounds. The ThinkPad 560 is 1.2-inches thick and weighs about 4 pounds. "As far as thin-and-light notebooks go, the 560 is the winner as far as market share," said Katrina Dahlquist, an analyst at International Data Corp., in Framingham, Mass. "[IBM] likes to be first with new technology." The new ThinkPad 560 will be available in early November. Pricing should not exceed IBM's current $4,399 sticker for its top-of-the-line notebook, sources said. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 15:55:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153418121; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:55:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21577; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:36:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20984; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA ([142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20974; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:32:05 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDAFA.4239E1A0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:43:24 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCDAFA.4239E1A0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Robert Munzenrider'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:43:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve is right. The System performance increase in a 701 will be even less. ;-{ 1 The AMD will only run at 100 Mhz in a TP 701 as the System clock is 25Mhz. If they change the crystal to a 33.3 Mhz one (overclocking) that's a 25 % increase. Most attempts at overclocking can't increase the system clock by 25 %. Maybe the TP 701 is well under speced. 2 PC Mag noticed only a very small increase in Winstone from a DX2-50 to the DX4-75 on the TP 701. Note : This is rather odd since the 75Mhz part should have been an Intel DX-4 . This means a bigger cache 16KB vs 8 KB and write-back-cache enabled. Since these 2 significant features helped very little .....it is sane to assume that a DX4-100 would NOT add much. AND certainly NOT $400 worth If you visit pc-mag's web page the article should still be available. ..peter.. PS ..Ask Evergreen for a REAL benchmark ---------- From: Robert Munzenrider[SMTP:rfm@psu.edu] Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 10:53 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW 486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget the model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. With Win95 & Office97 in my machine now, I'm "seeing" slow operating speed, especially when multi-tasking - even with 24 megs of RAM. I don't have $1500-2500 or more to buy a new system, but I might could maybe squeeze out $400 for the cpu upgrade. The 701 seems in fine shape & should have a couple more years of life in it. Maybe more with a cpu upgrade. Although my upgraded system would not be the latest/greatest/fastest around, would I pick up enough "Bang for the Buck" to make the upgrade worthwhile?? BobM Penn State Harrisburg ----------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 >From: Steve Parker >To: Rob Friedman >CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? > >On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: > >> I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >> called Portable Enhancements. >> >> Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >> If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >> buying another computer? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They >seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate >performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU >upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and >trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. > > I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye >seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the >cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives >contents. > > If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you >should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for >$1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred >dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes >[P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they >even have built in 28.8 modems. > > PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this >mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark >numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS >benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you >numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from >the case in the real world. > > If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide >honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you >said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems >speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest >TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. > > The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have >a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they >charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly >diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular >Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium >166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is >insignificant. > >============================================================================ >==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 16:02:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156398571; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 16:02:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21719; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:47:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21629; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21611; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pierce.hawaii.edu (pierce.math.hawaii.edu) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA11420; Fri, 17 Oct 97 09:47:09 HST Received: from tarski.hawaii.edu by pierce.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07625; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:47:45 -1000 Received: by tarski.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18087; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 09:47:50 -1000 From: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710171947.JAA18087@tarski.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades To: rfm@psu.edu (Robert Munzenrider) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 97 9:47:49 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971017135347.006aa3fc@email.psu.edu>; from "Robert Munzenrider" at Oct 17, 97 1:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but > still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW > 486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget the > model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that > the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. So _they_ say. Even AMD doesn't make this claim for their chip. You should take a look at my own tests, at http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.html (I also have pointers there to disappointing systemic benchmarks run by Gainbery, who I believe OEMs the upgrade for Evergreen.) BTW, the slowness of Office97 is the fault of MS, not your machine. When I moved from the same machine you have to my P133 TP560, I didn't see that much improvement, especially on MS Publisher. It is simply a horrendously written program. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 18:53:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211338805; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:53:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29611; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:51:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29530; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.microserve.net (mail.microserve.net [207.44.0.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29520; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (eye.microserve.com [198.70.182.26]) by mail.microserve.net (8.8.5/naISPa) with SMTP id SAA01245 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710172251.SAA01245@mail.microserve.net> From: "Joseph Pugliese" To: "thinkpad submissions" Subject: 755cse bios upgrad is it necessary? Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:52:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCDB2D.E190B660" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCDB2D.E190B660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been reading about bios upgrades for ThinkPad's. Can anyone tell = me if it is necessary for my model 755cse? I'm also looking for CD-ROM docking station that would work with my = model. Is it feasible? Joseph Pugliese email:jpuglies@eye.microserve.com jpuglies@pol.net http:www.microserve.net/~jpuglies=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCDB2D.E190B660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCDB2D.E190B660-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 20:31:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242364693; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:31:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02255; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:24:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02180; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02170; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA10359; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:23:09 -0700 Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 17:23:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Robert Munzenrider Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971017135347.006aa3fc@email.psu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Robert Munzenrider wrote: > Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but > still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW > 486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget the > model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that > the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. With Win95 & Office97 > in my machine now, I'm "seeing" slow operating speed, especially when > multi-tasking - even with 24 megs of RAM. It is a AMD 5x86-133. The whole P5 numbering scheme is meant to confuse and mislead buyers. > I don't have $1500-2500 or more to buy a new system, but I might could > maybe squeeze out $400 for the cpu upgrade. The 701 seems in fine shape & > should have a couple more years of life in it. Maybe more with a cpu > upgrade. Although my upgraded system would not be the > latest/greatest/fastest around, would I pick up enough "Bang for the Buck" > to make the upgrade worthwhile?? Ok, you are really asking "is it worth $400 to go from a '486-75 to a '486-100." Lets look at this realistically. First, the CPU cores are basically the same on a clock for clock basis. Second, you are only increasing the clock by 33%. Third, you have no L2 cache to help off-set the effects of the slow 25MHz memory bus. Fourth, both CPU's have a 16K L1 cache. So realistically, since all the variables are basically staying the same except the switch from a 3x multiplier to a 4x multiplier I highly doubt you'll get anywhere near 20% more CPU speed out of it. To be quite honest you can measure 20% on benchmarks, but you can barely feel the difference when using a system. My recommendation: Live with it for a while longer, then sell it and take the money you saved on upgrading it by very small increments and buy something significantly better. 20% more speed [at best] is nothing. It it is too slow now it will still be too slow after you spent $400 on it. Please, if anyone has true performance increase numbers for this upgrade [measured via a reliable benchmark like Winbench] please share them with us. Re-installing Win95, defragging your hard drive frequently and getting a good memory manager like QEMM will probably get you more speed for far less money. If you ever want to sell that TP701 [is it a c or cs?] for a decent price let me know. I always thought they were pretty cool and almost bought one. I ended up getting a TP560 instead. =) Without knowing your system configuration, a used TP701 is worth around $500-$800. You can take that, plus your $400 for the upgrade and get into a P100 with 256K L2 cache [ref: Sharp 3040 a friend bought at Damark a while back] for ~$1000 and run 2-3 times faster. It's not as cool as the TP701 and only has a 12.1" DS display, but that ought to give you some idea of what can be had for $1000-$1500. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 17 21:23:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257827822; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:23:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03771; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:20:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03694; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03682; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts2port57.port.net (usrts2port57.port.net [207.237.104.121]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10710 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:20:09 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: 560x Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 21:20:09 -0400 Message-Id: <34480e93.5016566@mail.interport.net> References: <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >from http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?971017.enotebook.htm IBM's ThinkPad 560X will be based on a 233-MHz Pentium processor with MMX and will include a 4GB hard drive, an active matrix screen, and the standard 560 model features, according to a source familiar with the upcoming announcement. The system will be priced at about $4,199 and ship at the time of the announcement; prices of other 560 models will drop accordingly, the source said. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 13:02:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222804125; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:02:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13868; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 13:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13739; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (phr@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13649; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.01)) id JAA24886 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199710181653.JAA24886@netcom13.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560x, excessive quoting Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Re the 560x, the faster cpu and larger disk sound nice, but what I really am waiting for is an XGA screen. Any indication they're going to use one? To everyone: please be careful quoting messages you're replying to. The digest I just got contains a complete copy (quoted with ">") of yesterday's digest! That's several hundred lines of stuff we've all seen already... but I still had to look at it all to make sure I could see where it ended... so please don't do that any more! Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 15:11:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260071891; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:11:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18061; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:07:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17960; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17944; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15288; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710181906.MAA15288@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "richard" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 12:09:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 233 mhz 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 15:12:45 -0400, richard wrote: >sorry for the formatting, but: > >IBM will introduce a ThinkPad 560 "thin-and-light" notebook next > month that features Intel Corp.'s new mobile 233MHz Pentium > processor with MMX Technology, industry sources said. > > Analysts said IBM would be the first vendor to ship a >thin-and-light > notebook that uses the processor. Such notebooks are generally >defined > as being 1.25-inches or less thick and weighing under 5 pounds. > > The ThinkPad 560 is 1.2-inches thick and weighs about 4 pounds. > > "As far as thin-and-light notebooks go, the 560 is the winner >as far as > market share," said Katrina Dahlquist, an analyst at >International Data > Corp., in Framingham, Mass. "[IBM] likes to be first with new > technology." > > The new ThinkPad 560 will be available in early November. >Pricing > should not exceed IBM's current $4,399 sticker for its >top-of-the-line > notebook, sources said. > I just hope that they will have drivers for the graphics chipset for those of us with other operating systems NOT from Microsoft. Also, does anybody know if any ThinkPads have the Universal Serial Bus (USB)? Is it true that only Windows can use it? What's the purpose besides cameras? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 15:20:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262162446; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:20:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18585; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18341; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18331; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts14.loop.net (p00.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.195]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16148; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710181917.MAA16148@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Joseph Pugliese" , "thinkpad submissions" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 12:18:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755cse bios upgrad is it necessary? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:52:56 -0700, Joseph Pugliese wrote: > I've been reading about bios upgrades for ThinkPad's. Can anyone tell me if it is necessary for my model 755cse? > It sometimes adds things not present in the previous version, and also adds enhancements or fixes to things. > I'm also looking for CD-ROM docking station that would work with my model. Is it feasible? > Maybe the Dock II? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 15:33:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265673218; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:33:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18666; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18459; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18369; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts14.loop.net (p00.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.195]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16142; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710181917.MAA16142@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Robert Munzenrider" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 12:14:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Oct 97 9:47:49 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but >> still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW >> 486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget the >> model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that >> the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. > >So _they_ say. Even AMD doesn't make this claim for their chip. You should >take a look at my own tests, at http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.html >(I also have pointers there to disappointing systemic benchmarks run >by Gainbery, who I believe OEMs the upgrade for Evergreen.) > >BTW, the slowness of Office97 is the fault of MS, not your machine. When I >moved from the same machine you have to my P133 TP560, I didn't see that much >improvement, especially on MS Publisher. It is simply a horrendously written >program. > >- David > > I don't see also how Winstone benchmarks are entirely accurate, as Microsoft seems to never have been good with writing decent programs. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 15:39:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267293542; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:39:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18669; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18390; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18323; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts14.loop.net (p00.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.195]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16126; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 12:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710181916.MAA16126@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert Munzenrider" , "tisol" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 12:12:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 12:43:23 -0700, tisol wrote: >Steve is right. >The System performance increase in a 701 will be even less. ;-{ >1 The AMD will only run at 100 Mhz in a TP 701 as the System clock is 25Mhz. If they change >the crystal to a 33.3 Mhz one (overclocking) that's a 25 % increase. Most attempts at overclocking >can't increase the system clock by 25 %. Maybe the TP 701 is well under speced. Actually, believe it or not, the DX4-75 is based on a 25MHz clock, and the 100 a 33MHz clock. Go figure, since 3*33=99, close to 100. > >2 PC Mag noticed only a very small increase in Winstone from a DX2-50 to the DX4-75 on the >TP 701. That rating should only be relative, since it seems a lot of 701 users have also used Linux, and OS/2, which use the processor more efficiently, the same for resources. >Note : This is rather odd since the 75Mhz part should have been an Intel DX-4 . This means a bigger >cache 16KB vs 8 KB and write-back-cache enabled. I thought that the DX4 had a 16K cache, with write back also. >Since these 2 significant features helped very little .....it is sane to assume that a DX4-100 would NOT add much. >AND certainly NOT $400 worth >If you visit pc-mag's web page the article should still be available. >..peter.. >PS ..Ask Evergreen for a REAL benchmark >---------- >From: Robert Munzenrider[SMTP:rfm@psu.edu] >Sent: Friday, October 17, 1997 10:53 AM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades > >Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but >still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW >486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget the >model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that >the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. With Win95 & Office97 >in my machine now, I'm "seeing" slow operating speed, especially when >multi-tasking - even with 24 megs of RAM. > >I don't have $1500-2500 or more to buy a new system, but I might could >maybe squeeze out $400 for the cpu upgrade. The 701 seems in fine shape & >should have a couple more years of life in it. Maybe more with a cpu >upgrade. Although my upgraded system would not be the >latest/greatest/fastest around, would I pick up enough "Bang for the Buck" >to make the upgrade worthwhile?? > >BobM >Penn State Harrisburg > >----------------------------------- >> >>Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 14:36:36 -0700 >>From: Steve Parker >>To: Rob Friedman >>CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Subject: Re: laptop upgrade? >> >>On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Rob Friedman wrote: >> >>> I have a Thinkpad 755c 486/75 and am looking into an upgrade with a firm >>> called Portable Enhancements. >>> >>> Has anyone had any experience with upgrades and/or Portable Enhancements? >>> If so, did you feel it was worth it, or would you just as well suggest >>> buying another computer? >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> PEP used to continually post advertisements on this mailing list. They >>seem to have a habit of using useless benchmarks like Landmark to generate >>performance numbers for their CPU upgrades. If you are looking into CPU >>upgrades make them give you benchmark numbers from something reliable and >>trustworthy like Winbench before commiting to anything. >> >> I've looked at things like their hard drive upgrade pricing and thye >>seem to run about 2x the cost of the drive and they stick you with the >>cost of useless [at least to me] things like virus scanning the drives >>contents. >> >> If your upgrade [whatever it is] starts to cost $300-$500 or more you >>should really look into what is available in modern Pentium systems for >>$1500 or so. Your old unit has to be worth at least a few hundred >>dollars. Some friends of mine just picked up Sharp Widenotes >>[P133/256K L2 cache/16MB/1024x600 active display] for about $1500 and they >>even have built in 28.8 modems. >> >> PEP's pricing always seemed high to me, and they finally left this >>mailing list after several people constantly demanded real benchmark >>numbers every time they tried to foist their products upon us. BS >>benchmarks that fit entirely in L1 cache don't cut it. They will give you >>numbers that increase roughly linearly with CPU speed and that is far from >>the case in the real world. >> >> If any of PEP's sales drones are reading this feel free to provide >>honest benchmark comparisons of, say, the TP701 upgrade to a 5x86-100 you >>said was significantly faster than a stock unit. Using other systems >>speed increases as a comparison is not allowed, give us a nice honest >>TP701-50 or TP701-75 before and after. >> >> The dirty secret about that upgrade is that since that unit doesn't have >>a L2 cache you'd be hard pressed to get more than 30% out of it, and they >>charged roughly $500 for that privelege. You get very rapidly >>diminishing returns as the CPU's clock multiplier increases. The regular >>Pentium 200 [3x66.6] typically benchmarked at 5% faster than the Pentium >>166 [2.5x66.6] and cost quite a bit more. Moving from 3x25 to 4x25 is >>insignificant. >> >>============================================================================ >>==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 17:36:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296710605; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:36:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23521; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:32:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23267; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23257; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA14619; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:31:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: richard , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 233 mhz 560 In-Reply-To: <199710181906.MAA15288@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I just hope that they will have drivers for the graphics chipset > for those of us with other operating systems NOT from Microsoft. I would hope so as well. > Also, does anybody know if any ThinkPads have the Universal Serial Bus (USB)? > Is it true that only Windows can use it? What's the purpose besides cameras? It is good for scanners, joysticks, digital video cameras [both portable still cameras and QuickCam style] and plenty of other things. The main problem with USB is that it is new and doesn't have much market penetration yet. My Mobo has USB support, but since it didn't come with a USB cable I am less likely to try USB products. A USB port on a notebook would be very useful. A notebooks expansion options are generally much more limited that a desktop and that one connector could do many things. Once more than a handful of USB products ship that is.. =) ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 17:57:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003651863; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:57:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24613; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:56:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24534; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24506; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts06.loop.net (p16.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.211]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA27446; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710182154.OAA27446@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" Cc: "richard" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 14:56:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 233 mhz 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 14:31:43 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: >> I just hope that they will have drivers for the graphics chipset >> for those of us with other operating systems NOT from Microsoft. > > I would hope so as well. > >> Also, does anybody know if any ThinkPads have the Universal Serial Bus (USB)? >> Is it true that only Windows can use it? What's the purpose besides cameras? > > It is good for scanners, joysticks, digital video cameras [both portable >still cameras and QuickCam style] and plenty of other things. The main >problem with USB is that it is new and doesn't have much market >penetration yet. My Mobo has USB support, but since it didn't come with a >USB cable I am less likely to try USB products. > > A USB port on a notebook would be very useful. A notebooks expansion >options are generally much more limited that a desktop and that one >connector could do many things. Once more than a handful of USB products >ship that is.. =) > And support for Linux and OS/2 come around. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 18:19:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009683195; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:19:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25189; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:13:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25117; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25107; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14770; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:12:14 -0700 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Robert Munzenrider , tisol Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades In-Reply-To: <199710181916.MAA16126@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Actually, believe it or not, the DX4-75 is based on a > 25MHz clock, and the 100 a 33MHz clock. Go figure, > since 3*33=99, close to 100. Yes, Intels IntelDX4 aka '486DX4 runs clock tripled. We know that. What PEP is doing is putting an AMD '5x86-133 CPU [which runs clock tripled or quadrupled] onto a 25MHz bus and getting 100MHz out of it. It is obvious that they are running in 4x25MHz mode. If it were easy to get a 33MHz bus rate out of a TP701 I'm sure IBM would have done it if only to help with the very lackluster CPU performance of an otherwise very nice product. > That rating should only be relative, since it seems a lot of 701 users have > also used Linux, and OS/2, which use the processor more efficiently, the same > for resources. The effect of the L1 cache [or any cache for that matter] size is very much up to the code being run. For big things that overwhelm the cache, cache size doesn't seem to matter much at all. On one P133 system I built Quake was less than 2% faster after upgrading L2 cache from 256K to 512K. Quake uses huge sets of data and overwhelms the pitiful 512K L2 cache. I suppose a few MB worth of L2 cache might have helped. For small stuff like DOS apps 512K L2 cache can almost completely cache the first 640K and the code nearly always runs from L2 cache. This would give you a fantastic speed increase. > I thought that the DX4 had a 16K cache, > with write back also. It has 16K L1 cache with optional write back. I believe the magazine folks just didn't pay attention to which CPU was in which machine. Nearly everything I read said the 75MHz TP701 had the DX4 CPU in it. The difference between 8K L1 cache and 16K L1 cache is minimal for most things. Especially with no L2 cache to back it up. And re: Winstone.. Winstone is known for being a pretty darn inaccurate measure of system performance. Winbench can tell you a good deal and is about as a reliable "typical windows application" benchmark as you can get. I personally tend to use Quake and other goodies like ctcm and threadmark to make measurements more in tune with what I do. After all, how a system performs running the apps you use is what mattters. =) ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 18:31:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012963861; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:31:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25694; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:23:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25608; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25592; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts06.loop.net (p16.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.211]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA29735; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710182221.PAA29735@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" Cc: "Robert Munzenrider" , "ThinkPad List" , "tisol" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 15:24:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Actually, believe it or not, the DX4-75 is based on a >> 25MHz clock, and the 100 a 33MHz clock. Go figure, >> since 3*33=99, close to 100. > > Yes, Intels IntelDX4 aka '486DX4 runs clock tripled. We know that. >What PEP is doing is putting an AMD '5x86-133 CPU [which runs clock >tripled or quadrupled] onto a 25MHz bus and getting 100MHz out of it. It >is obvious that they are running in 4x25MHz mode. If it were easy to get >a 33MHz bus rate out of a TP701 I'm sure IBM would have done it if only to >help with the very lackluster CPU performance of an otherwise very nice >product. > >> That rating should only be relative, since it seems a lot of 701 users have >> also used Linux, and OS/2, which use the processor more efficiently, the same >> for resources. > > The effect of the L1 cache [or any cache for that matter] size is very >much up to the code being run. For big things that overwhelm the cache, >cache size doesn't seem to matter much at all. On one P133 system I built >Quake was less than 2% faster after upgrading L2 cache from 256K to 512K. >Quake uses huge sets of data and overwhelms the pitiful 512K L2 cache. I >suppose a few MB worth of L2 cache might have helped. For small stuff >like DOS apps 512K L2 cache can almost completely cache the first 640K and >the code nearly always runs from L2 cache. This would give you a >fantastic speed increase. > >> I thought that the DX4 had a 16K cache, >> with write back also. > > It has 16K L1 cache with optional write back. I believe the magazine >folks just didn't pay attention to which CPU was in which machine. Nearly >everything I read said the 75MHz TP701 had the DX4 CPU in it. The >difference between 8K L1 cache and 16K L1 cache is minimal for most >things. Especially with no L2 cache to back it up. > > And re: Winstone.. Winstone is known for being a pretty darn >inaccurate measure of system performance. Winbench can tell you a good >deal and is about as a reliable "typical windows application" benchmark as >you can get. I personally tend to use Quake and other goodies like ctcm >and threadmark to make measurements more in tune with what I do. After >all, how a system performs running the apps you use is what mattters. =) > But what ever happened to Dhrystones and Whetstones? That's what I typically used. That'd actually be an interesting internet project - Generistone - benchmarks for Windows 3.x, 95, NT, OS/2, Linux and DOS (sort of like projects that take say an emulator or a web server like Apache and port it to other OSes). Just my 2 cents. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 18 18:38:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014824328; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:38:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26021; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25946; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from madison.interport.net (madison.interport.net [199.184.165.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25936; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts2port46.port.net (usrts2port46.port.net [207.237.104.110]) by madison.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA11045; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Steve Parker Cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List , Robert Munzenrider , tisol Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:31:07 -0400 Message-Id: <344b36bb.21263808@mail.interport.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Oct 1997 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: > And re: Winstone.. Winstone is known for being a pretty darn >inaccurate measure of system performance. Winbench can tell you a good >deal and is about as a reliable "typical windows application" benchmark as >you can get. I personally tend to use Quake and other goodies like ctcm >and threadmark to make measurements more in tune with what I do. Winstone runs a bunch of mainline windows programs (word processors, spreadsheets, etc) - if you use those sorts of programs, I would think Winstone would be pretty good. Winbench measures processor speed, disk speed, graphics subsystem, etc. I would think running "typical windows applications" (which is what winstone does) is more accurate than running these sorts of tests Quake seems to be a very popular test. Especially among game players >After >all, how a system performs running the apps you use is what mattters. =) Very true From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 00:50:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117366628; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:50:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09211; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:47:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09102; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09092; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01132; Sat, 18 Oct 1997 18:45:53 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710190445.SAA01132@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Sat, 18 Oct 97 18:45:53 HST Cc: sparker@torgo.punk.net, rfm@psu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, machule@triumf.ca In-Reply-To: <199710182221.PAA29735@stevie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 18, 97 3:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > But what ever happened to Dhrystones and Whetstones? That's what I typically > used. These are very CPU/FPU intensive, and *not* systemic. Exactly the kind of benchmark upgraders use to justify the $400 upgrade cost. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 15:45:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA053650311; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:45:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13872; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:34:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13683; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13673; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 89171.hbg.psu.edu (89171.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.89.171]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA36970 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:34:05 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971019154238.006a92fc@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:42:38 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all who replied about likely results of upgrading a TP701 486/75 cpu with one of the AMD K5-133mhz cpu chips. The consensus is that considering clock speeds, etc., the upgrade would be equivalent to replacing the present chip with a 486/100 DX4 chip. The upgrade thus would bring about at best a marginal improvement, from 75mhz to 100mhz, which improvement doesn't seem to justify the $400 cost to accomplish it. I really like my little TP701 -- tyhe size, the butterfly keyboard, the screen (TFT) the weight, etc. I just wish it ran a little FASTER..... Wonder if AMD will ever come out with a 233mhz cpu chip???? BobM Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 18:21:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106379712; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:21:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20360; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20095; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20085; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx08-26.teleport.com (ip-pdx08-26.teleport.com [206.163.123.250]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20883 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 13:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710192046.NAA20883@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert and all- I have been reading this thread with interest....only to find the generally same information that has been discussed before (not to imply that it is uninformative). While we have had these discussions of theory we have had NOT ONE report (positive or negitive) of an actual upgrade installation. Maybe what someone should do is offer to provide a published (on this list anyway) results in exchange for half price on the upgrade. The only fly in the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the price you would pay... So how about someone with a couple of hundred bucks to spare and less of an financial/emotional attachment to their 701 than I have making the offer?! It would be rolling the dice a bit. I wonder if they guarantee the operation of the tp after its upgrade? How good is their guarantee is another good question. I would hate the notion of a sacrifical 701. Bryan Another thought is how about asking them to provide use of their test bed upgraded 701 presuming they acturally have one. There must be a bunch of us on this list waiting for a glimer of actual upgrade success. At 03:42 PM 10/19/97 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks to all who replied about likely results of upgrading a TP701 486/75 >cpu with one of the AMD K5-133mhz cpu chips. The consensus is that >considering clock speeds, etc., the upgrade would be equivalent to >replacing the present chip with a 486/100 DX4 chip. The upgrade thus would >bring about at best a marginal improvement, from 75mhz to 100mhz, which >improvement doesn't seem to justify the $400 cost to accomplish it. > > I really like my little TP701 -- tyhe size, the butterfly keyboard, >the screen (TFT) the weight, etc. I just wish it ran a little FASTER..... > Wonder if AMD will ever come out with a 233mhz cpu chip???? > >BobM >Penn State Harrisburg > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 18:35:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110400530; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:35:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21112; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:32:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21042; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.5.84]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21024; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 18:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA27627; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:32:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd027619; Sun Oct 19 15:32:21 1997 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: user X-Sender: user99@usr06.primenet.com Reply-To: reply_daemon@eey.org To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model In-Reply-To: <199710192046.NAA20883@mail1.teleport.com> Message-Id: Organization: Otitis Media X-Priority: bulk/urgent Priority: normal X-Mime-Version: Shields and Yarnell X-Discontent-Type: ENNUI/FANCY; charbroiled=US-PRIME Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > The only fly in > the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the price > you would pay... But since there are plenty of 701s out there that have recently gone out of 2-year warranty, that might be moot. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 21:10:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159069819; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:10:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27862; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:06:54 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27694; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA15215; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26184; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-59.usc.edu [128.125.224.59]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id RAA14963; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971019173506.00e0521c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:36:27 -0700 To: Bryan Daum From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:46 PM 10/19/97 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >Maybe what someone should do is offer to provide a published (on this list >anyway) results in exchange for half price on the upgrade. The only fly in >the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the price >you would pay... > >So how about someone with a couple of hundred bucks to spare and less of an >financial/emotional attachment to their 701 than I have making the offer?! >It would be rolling the dice a bit. I wonder if they guarantee the >operation of the tp after its upgrade? How good is their guarantee is >another good question. I would hate the notion of a sacrifical 701. Let me make sure I understand this--are you saying perhaps you and a group of someones would subsidize having this upgrade done one someone's personal 701 in exchange for full and complete information about the real-world performance differences? If so, I'd seriously consider having it done to my 701 if that is the case. I'm not so attached to it that its a religion for me. All you have to do is get enough people who want the information bad enough that they're willing to pay for it in this fashion--and then implement a mechanism for collection and control. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 21:14:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160270086; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:14:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27864; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:06:41 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27674; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA15201; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26151; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-59.usc.edu [128.125.224.59]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id RAA14966; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971019173611.00e05fcc@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:36:29 -0700 To: reply_daemon@eey.org From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:32 PM 10/19/97 -0700, user wrote: >On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: >> The only fly in >> the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the price >> you would pay... > >But since there are plenty of 701s out there that have recently gone >out of 2-year warranty, that might be moot. Its a 3-year warranty though. Mine still has a year to go. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 22:11:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177653466; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:11:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00738; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:03:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00645; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00634; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14612 invoked from network); 20 Oct 1997 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from kebob-35.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.240) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 1997 02:03:51 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 02:03:56 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <344abb25.267651@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.32.19971019173611.00e05fcc@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971019173611.00e05fcc@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:36:29 -0700, you wrote: >At 03:32 PM 10/19/97 -0700, user wrote: >>On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: >>> The only fly in >>> the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the = price >>> you would pay... >> >>But since there are plenty of 701s out there that have recently gone >>out of 2-year warranty, that might be moot. > > Its a 3-year warranty though. Mine still has a year to go. > > I was thinking the same thing. The 701 was released in May 1995, so the earliest someone would be out of warranty is 5/1998. As for the previous message, the impression I had was that it would be suggested to PEP that they give someone half off in exchange for his recommendations. Perhaps someone can email Leonard and ask either if they're interested in sponsoring such a deal, or can they offer up a 701 owner as a reference? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM 510CS From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 19 22:22:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181314166; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:22:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01455; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:19:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01347; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.interlog.com (smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01333; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drwho.interlog.com (209-20-0-81.dialin.interlog.com [209.20.0.81]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.8.3/8.7.6) with SMTP id VAA09112 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCDCD8.55F382C0.thinkpad@interlog.com> From: Lance Nichols Reply-To: "thinkpad@interlog.com" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: I'm back!!! Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:45:31 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 17 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone, a bit about me... I was on the mailing list last year, but dropped out due to work, volume of posts, and others. Anyway, I own a 701CS with a 1.3GB hard drive and 24MB of RAM. The little unit has been my primary computer up until fairly recently. Anyway I am back on the list trying to find some info on the 701. Specifically information that I used to actively discourage people from seeking... I used to (and still do) discourage people from installing Windows NT on ThinkPad's not supported by IBM. That being said I want to know if anyone out there has installed NT 4.0 Workstation/Server on the 701CS. And if so, do they have support for the PC cards? I don't particularly care about video driver mode (the system will be used as a PDC on a small network while I practice for my MCSE) Thanks in advance, and sorry about rehashing old news.... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 00:28:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219561720; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:28:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07171; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06991; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06978; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts05.loop.net (p25.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01750; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200424.VAA01750@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "machule@triumf.ca" , "rfm@psu.edu" , "sparker@torgo.punk.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 21:26:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 18 Oct 97 18:45:53 HST, David Ross wrote: >> But what ever happened to Dhrystones and Whetstones? That's what I typically >> used. > >These are very CPU/FPU intensive, and *not* systemic. Exactly the kind >of benchmark upgraders use to justify the $400 upgrade cost. > >- David > > So do you mean they are good or bad? I am a little confused. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 00:30:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220011822; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:30:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07174; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:26:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07049; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07026; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts05.loop.net (p25.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01795; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200425.VAA01795@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "RMORTENSEN@aol.com" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 21:27:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:20:42 -0400 (EDT), RMORTENSEN@aol.com wrote: >Does anyone know what the clock speed is in a tp 750ce, and is it possible to >overclock it x 2 using speedcpu.exe, or a comparable program.? >BOb > It should be either 25 or 33 MHz. I didn't know they had software overclocking. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 00:41:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223732516; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:41:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07644; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:32:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07511; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07490; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts05.loop.net (p25.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.190]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA02004; Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710200430.VAA02004@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "reply_daemon@eey.org" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "user" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 97 21:32:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 15:32:20 -0700 (PDT), user wrote: >On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: >> The only fly in >> the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the price >> you would pay... > >But since there are plenty of 701s out there that have recently gone >out of 2-year warranty, that might be moot. > > 701's and all other models starting with "7" have a 3 year warranty. The 3xx and 5xx models have a 1 year warranty. Anyone should correct me if I'm wrong. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 03:47:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275783672; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:47:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15413; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:45:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15283; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web2.america.net (web2.america.net [206.113.230.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15239; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiit.nalu.net (pm1-9.nalu.net [208.215.120.59]) by web2.america.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA13390 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971020024603.0068d614@pop.nalu.net> X-Sender: kata@pop.nalu.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 02:46:03 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kata Koppel Subject: Docking for 750P Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'd really like to get a Dock for my 750P to add a CD, etc. However, I haven't seen any in shops around here. Can anyone recommend a mail-order or Net vendor where I might get information about these and/or prices? I've seen both Dock I and II recommended, are there any differences in compatibility with my 750P? Thanks in advance, Kata -- Kata Koppel kata@nalu.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 12:11:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125203898; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:11:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16316; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16094; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16056; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx19-25.teleport.com (ip-pdx19-25.teleport.com [206.163.125.90]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA02737; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710201556.IAA02737@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randy, you are the well placed in the business school, a subsidy would be nice indeed! I'd consider that myself! ;) As ep noted, what I had in mind was for someone interested in the upgrade to negotiate a half price deal in exchange for a solid unbiased report. And indeed you or ep would be technically competent enough to properly run the testing...except for ep having sold his 701... (Good grief, Charlie Brown!) Oh, are all the upgrade paths out there the same? I've only seen the PEP offering. Ep notes a May 95 release date for the 701 but it must have been 94 as I bought mine early in '95 after the deep discounts. As I recall they were originally about $6K and then were finally blown out at just over $2K. The deal of the decade, thank you IBM. Cheers all, Bryan At 02:03 AM 10/20/97 GMT, you wrote: >On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:36:29 -0700, you wrote: > >>At 03:32 PM 10/19/97 -0700, user wrote: >>>On Sun, 19 Oct 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: >>>> The only fly in >>>> the ointment would be that the ibm warranty loss is also part of the price >>>> you would pay... >>> >>>But since there are plenty of 701s out there that have recently gone >>>out of 2-year warranty, that might be moot. >> >> Its a 3-year warranty though. Mine still has a year to go. >> >> > I was thinking the same thing. The 701 was released in May 1995, so >the earliest someone would be out of warranty is 5/1998. As for the >previous message, the impression I had was that it would be suggested >to PEP that they give someone half off in exchange for his >recommendations. Perhaps someone can email Leonard and ask either if >they're interested in sponsoring such a deal, or can they offer up a >701 owner as a reference? > epbrown >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM 510CS > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 12:54:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138196423; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:53:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26473; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25887; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25696; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18802 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:41:40 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCDD55.CF68ECD0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:43:48 -0400 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: David Ross , Robert Munzenrider , Paul Khoury Subject: Offic97 slowness (was: RE: Thinkpad upgrades) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:57 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 52 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I understand that Outlook 97 monitors, slowly, all the updates of office 97 documents. To speed it up, this can be turned off in Outlook (or don't have Outlook active). My main complaint about Word97 is how they screwed up Heading (and other) Numbering! Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com >---------- >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] >Sent: 1997 October 18 - Saturday 08:14 >To: David Ross; Robert Munzenrider >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades > >On Fri, 17 Oct 97 9:47:49 HST, David Ross wrote: > >>> Everything Steve says about upgrading seems upgrading accurate, but >>> still.... I have a 2-year-old TP701 (Butterfly model) with a SLOWWW >>> 486/75 processor. Evergreen Tech will install an AMD P5 chip (I forget >>>the >>> model specs) for $400. The AMD chip is rated at 133 mhz, but they say that >>> the effective speed is equivalent to a Pentium 75. >> >>So _they_ say. Even AMD doesn't make this claim for their chip. You should >>take a look at my own tests, at http://www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.html >>(I also have pointers there to disappointing systemic benchmarks run >>by Gainbery, who I believe OEMs the upgrade for Evergreen.) >> >>BTW, the slowness of Office97 is the fault of MS, not your machine. When I >>moved from the same machine you have to my P133 TP560, I didn't see that >>much >>improvement, especially on MS Publisher. It is simply a horrendously >>written >>program. >> >>- David >> >> >I don't see also how Winstone benchmarks are entirely accurate, as >Microsoft seems to never have been good with writing decent programs. > >Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 14:07:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA162450871; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:07:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09523; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09329; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04276; Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (4.1/kahuna-MX-1.4b) id AA26719; Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:12:12 HST From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <9710150412.AA26719@kahuna.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP560 video driver upgrade To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:12:11 HST Cc: ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710150333.UAA07735@stevie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 14, 97 8:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I know that the palette for DSTN is lower than that of TFT, but I have > my DSTN going at 64K colors (no palette, if memory serves me right), and > I have the Chips & Tech 65545 (on the 701). This is what I want too. I thought maybe upgrading the Thinkpad Features program might be necessary to fully access the new video driver's features, but all it seems to do is make hibernation work even less well. In fact, I'm now even having sporadic trouble shutting down. Maybe I should upgrade the BIOS and thereby lose the system altogether:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 14:20:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA166311610; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:20:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09648; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:01:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09569; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkusua.hku.hk (hkusua.hku.hk [147.8.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03348; Sat, 4 Oct 1997 13:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by hkusua.hku.hk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA21868; Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:12:46 +0800 From: lauck@hkusua.hku.hk (Johnny Lau EEE) Message-Id: <199710041712.BAA21868@hkusua.hku.hk> Subject: hd upgrade on 365xd To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:12:46 +0800 (HKT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, The first thing I noticed on my 365xd is that it doesn't have a bios information screen showing the hd type like other desktop or notebook computer does. My question is what the max. hd size can the 365xd take? Do I have to change the bios setting and how? Can I use standard 2.5" hd like those from Seagate 1.3G-2.1G instead of IBMs? Adv--Thanks--ance! Johnny Lau :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Permanent email address: cklau@usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Internet : cklau@eee.hku.hk | : cklau@indy41.eee.hku.hk | A MP2000 Newtonian : h8900006@hkusua.hku.hk | : h8900006@hkucc.hku.hk | Dept. of Electrical & Electronic Local BBS : Johnny Lau | Engineering URL http://www.eee.hku.hk/~cklau | The University of Hong Kong ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- printed with 100% recycled electrons --------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 14:28:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169222081; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:28:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11029; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:19:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10757; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from umunhum.Stanford.EDU (Umunhum.Stanford.EDU [171.64.74.80]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10738; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kevin@localhost) by umunhum.Stanford.EDU (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA03758; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:22:28 -0700 From: "Kevin W. Rudd" Message-Id: <199710201822.LAA03758@umunhum.Stanford.EDU> Subject: Re: hd upgrade on 365xd To: lauck@hkusua.hku.hk (Johnny Lau EEE) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710041712.BAA21868@hkusua.hku.hk> from "Johnny Lau EEE" at Oct 5, 97 01:12:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My question is what the max. hd size can the 365xd take? Do I > have to change the bios setting and how? Can I use standard > 2.5" hd like those from Seagate 1.3G-2.1G instead of IBMs? the max size should be a factor of the available drives although there is apparently some bios restriction on where the bootable image can be. i have now idea if this is a problem on the 365xd although the problem is discussed in the lilo documentation (boot loader for linux). the limiting factor is the thickness---12.5mm (1/2") thin drives are commonly available up to 2gb (although ibm has announced 3gb and 4gb drives, i haven't been able to find anyone who'll talk to me about selling me one). the two available 2gb drives are the toshiba mk2103mav (the one i tried wouldn't format without errors so i punted) and the ibm dtna-22160 (if i can't find the new drives soon i'll probably default to this although i'd rather not be that cramped for space...). in any event, you should have no trouble getting the 2gb drives. i'm going to stick with the ibm for convenience but the toshiba is probably fine as well (the one that i tried was from fry's---maybe that says it all). cheers, ---K From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 14:34:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171292479; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:34:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12133; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11808; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11676; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fofyplfq (ip180.white-plains2.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.124.180]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11164; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:24:01 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCDD63.CF8482C0.rponiarski@earthlink.net> From: "Richard M. Poniarski" Reply-To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" To: "'TROTTIER, Tom'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: David Ross , Robert Munzenrider , Paul Khoury Subject: RE: Offic97 slowness (was: RE: Thinkpad upgrades) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:14:20 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, October 20, 1997 12:36 PM, TROTTIER, Tom [SMTP:ttrottier@shl.com] wrote: > I understand that Outlook 97 monitors, slowly, all the updates of office > 97 documents. To speed it up, this can be turned off in Outlook (or > don't have Outlook active). > > My main complaint about Word97 is how they screwed up Heading (and > other) Numbering! > > Ciao, Tom > Outlook97 has a "journal" function, which can monitor the use of other Office97 apps, or even e-mail sent and received. It does slow down Word a bit, though I haven't noticed it too much. And I find it useful for backtracking what I have done, and when I did it. You can turn it on or off via a dialog box in the Tool/Options settings. Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 318ti Sport The 318ti Site: http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 14:36:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171902583; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:36:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12151; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:25:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11793; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net (iceland-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11657; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fofyplfq (ip180.white-plains2.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.12.124.180]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA11051; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:23:41 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCDD63.C3E50C00.rponiarski@earthlink.net> From: "Richard M. Poniarski" Reply-To: "rponiarski@earthlink.net" To: "'John Kim'" Cc: thinkpad submissions Subject: RE: Attn: Microsoft Outlook users Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:10:44 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, October 20, 1997 11:40 AM, John Kim [SMTP:kim@mak.com] wrote: > Will those of you using Microsoft Outlook please change your > configuration so it sends plain text only - no attachments? I'm > getting your messages as one or two attachments - HTML, or HTML > and text. The HTML I can't read without saving it to a file > first. The text I should be able to read but Microsoft put some > strange identifier on it instead of "ascii" and my mail program > refuses to let me view it. > > Thanks > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com > You must mean Outlook Express, which comes with IE4. I use Outlook97, a part of Office97, and it can't handle HTML e-mail yet, so I get the same thing as you. Richard M. Poniarski rponiarski@earthlink.net '95 318ti Sport The 318ti Site: http://home.earthlink.net/~rponiarski/ "If you have to ask..." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 15:15:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184594941; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:15:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16871; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:09:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16747; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n02.cac.psu.edu (r02a02.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16711; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-30.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.160]) by r02n02.cac.psu.edu (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA182520 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:08:33 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971020150636.006ac3c8@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:06:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: RE: Upgrading Thinkpad 701s Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone asked if anyone besides PEP does CPU upgrades for 701s? Evergreen Technologies does, plus they'll install larger hard drives. The latest issue of PC World has a feature piece on urading PCs. Mostly they foucus on desktop units, and mention only in passing some some aftermarket folks will do notebook upgrades. Their stats seem to show that Intel upgrade CPUs do better than either AMD or Cyrix models if all one is doing is swapping CPU chips. Speed improvements in the 20-30 percent range seemed normal. But then, the price for most of these is somewhere around $200. About upgrading 486s? The PC World article sugggestions were very straightforward: Swap out motherboards for pentiums. Soooo. Does the article lead one to reconsider wisdom of not wanting to pay @$400 to upgrade a vintage TP701 486/75 DX4 (with a 25mzh clock) to a 486/100 DX4 (still with a 25mhz clock)? Alas, probably not. It's still a whole bunch of money for a what would appear to be a marginal improvement. That clock speed is a real impediment to making major improvements in throughput. Someone called for conducting a test - Upgrade a 701 and see (measure) what the improvement actually would be. Sounds good to me. - And sorry I do not reply individually to people here; I have a digest subscription to the Thinkpad list. BobM Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 15:25:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186965510; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:25:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16645; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:06:24 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16435; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA20947; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15505; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-05.usc.edu [128.125.224.77]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id LAA07149; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971020114254.00e116a8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:51:54 -0700 To: Bryan Daum From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Cc: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:56 AM 10/20/97 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >Randy, you are the well placed in the business school, a subsidy would be >nice indeed! I'd consider that myself! ;) If you're suggesting I can get USC to pay for it, you're dreaming. I'm having a terrible time just trying to free up funds to buy a laser printer, let alone upgrade my *personal* notebook! As for "well-placed"--sheesh, I'm the new guy. I have *no* pull. My program is a new kid on the block that threatens the established fiefdoms built up by well-established departments. There are a *lot* of people that want to make sure we stay in our corner, if you know what I mean. Its a political nightmare... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 15:59:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194727557; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:59:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20493; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:51:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20359; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20346; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05660; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:49:38 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710201949.JAA05660@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 9:49:38 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710200424.VAA01750@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 19, 97 9:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >> But what ever happened to Dhrystones and Whetstones? That's what I typically > >> used. > > > >These are very CPU/FPU intensive, and *not* systemic. Exactly the kind > >of benchmark upgraders use to justify the $400 upgrade cost. > > > So do you mean they are good or bad? I am a little confused. > Neither good nor bad, just inappropriate for evaluating whole system speed. If your desire for speed is largely to speed up number-crunching apps, then these are what you want. If you're evaluating suitability of a system to run Windows 95, then they are very misleading. The point is that whet- and dhrystones mainly measure the speed of the CPU/FPU/cache part of the machine, and largely ignore bus, video, and disk speed. Thus, they make something like the AMD586 chip - which is fast internally, but slow in talking to the rest of the world - look artificially good. - David From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Oct 20 17:28:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219192885; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:28:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15070; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:37:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13898; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13861; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22337; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04290; Mon, 20 Oct 97 11:39:59 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA06786; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:39:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:39:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Joseph Pugliese Cc: thinkpad submissions Subject: Attn: Microsoft Outlook users In-Reply-To: <199710172251.SAA01245@mail.microserve.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Will those of you using Microsoft Outlook please change your configuration so it sends plain text only - no attachments? I'm getting your messages as one or two attachments - HTML, or HTML and text. The HTML I can't read without saving it to a file first. The text I should be able to read but Microsoft put some strange identifier on it instead of "ascii" and my mail program refuses to let me view it. Thanks -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 17:29:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219582954; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:29:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20764; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:13:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19523; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19432; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA11525 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:13:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:13:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 Microphone help Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm trying to use Microsoft NetMeeting to talk over the Internet, and it's the first time I've tried to use a microphone on my 750. It doesn't work. I can't get any mic input under Win95 using NetMeeting or Sound Recorder, nor can I get mic input using the DOS IBMAUDIO demo software that came on the ThinkPad. I've used some Windows software and the IBMAUDIO to capture line-level input just fine (even 44.1kHz 16 bit stereo with IBMAUDIO), but I get nothing from either of two mics which work fine on other machines. I even bought a mono to stereo adapter, and that doesn't help either. I'd appreciate it if someone who has used a mic on a 750 would help me through this rough spot. It would reduce my phone bills a bit. Many thanks "In the last film I ever saw, they kept the change and they told lies." Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Oct 20 17:36:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220943413; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:36:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18731; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:04:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17386; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.citylinq.net (mail01.citylinq.net [207.173.198.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17270; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.wolfenet.com ([207.173.198.25]) by mail01.citylinq.net (Post.Office MTA v3.0 release 0122 ID# 201-42893U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA181; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:02:42 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971020090404.007e6db0@mail01.citylinq.net> X-Sender: peterl@mail01.citylinq.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:04:04 -0700 To: John Kim , Joseph Pugliese From: Peter Lewis Subject: Re: Attn: Microsoft Outlook users Cc: thinkpad submissions In-Reply-To: References: <199710172251.SAA01245@mail.microserve.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Fair request. A problem with OE, which is generally a pretty cool mailer, is that it makes "html" its default setting for sending. That's great as long as the receiving mailer can read html, but not all can. At 11:39 AM 10/20/97 -0400, John Kim wrote: >Will those of you using Microsoft Outlook please change your >configuration so it sends plain text only - no attachments? I'm >getting your messages as one or two attachments - HTML, or HTML >and text. The HTML I can't read without saving it to a file >first. The text I should be able to read but Microsoft put some >strange identifier on it instead of "ascii" and my mail program >refuses to let me view it. > >Thanks >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com > > -- Peter Lewis peterl@citylinq.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 20:40:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258894443; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:40:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13388; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:35:13 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13124; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA22013; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12351; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop (slip129-37-231-116.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.231.116]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA183704; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:24:06 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Kevin W. Rudd" , "Johnny Lau EEE" Cc: Subject: Re: hd upgrade on 365xd Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:24:37 -0700 Message-Id: <01bcddc0$188d3d20$45ef2581@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What kind of prices are you seeing on the 2.1GB/12mm drives? I have found a Toshiba for $245. -----Original Message----- >the two available 2gb drives are the >toshiba mk2103mav (the one i tried wouldn't format without errors so i >punted) and the ibm dtna-22160 (if i can't find the new drives soon >i'll probably default to this although i'd rather not be that cramped >for space...). > >in any event, you should have no trouble getting the 2gb drives. i'm >going to stick with the ibm for convenience but the toshiba is >probably fine as well (the one that i tried was from fry's---maybe >that says it all). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 21:04:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262885852; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:04:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14563; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:00:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14492; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maplesoft.on.ca (NS.MAPLESOFT.ON.CA [199.71.183.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14473; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by maplesoft.on.ca via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1997 00:55:34 UT Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA04121; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:54:43 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199710210054.UAA04121@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Docking for 750P To: kata@nalu.net (Kata Koppel) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971020024603.0068d614@pop.nalu.net> from "Kata Koppel" at Oct 20, 97 02:46:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'd really like to get a Dock for my 750P to add a CD, etc. However, I > haven't seen any in shops around here. Can anyone recommend a mail-order > or Net vendor where I might get information about these and/or prices? > > I've seen both Dock I and II recommended, are there any differences in > compatibility with my 750P? I've used both a Dock I and II with my 750P. No real compatibility differences, although the Dock II doesn't support support warm or hot docking with the 750 machines (it does with 360, 755 and 760s). The Dock I doesn't support warm/hot docking at all. The Dock II is quite a bit bigger and has a standard half-height IDE drive bay, plus two ISA slots. The Dock I has only a 1" high bay which requires the purchase of extra stuff from IBM to be useful. The Dock II has a much better built-in SCSI subsystem. The Dock I has a non-standard SCSI connector for connecting external devices. Both have been out of production for a while; I don't happen to know of any places off hand that are still advertising either unit. Recent prices I've seen are $30-120 for a Dock I, $200-$350 for a Dock II, but that may be a little out of date. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 20 21:13:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289206434; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:13:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14861; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:04:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14752; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maplesoft.on.ca (NS.MAPLESOFT.ON.CA [199.71.183.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14727; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by maplesoft.on.ca via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 21 Oct 1997 01:01:21 UT Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA04146; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:00:49 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199710210100.VAA04146@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: Thinkpad upgrades To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, RMORTENSEN@aol.com In-Reply-To: <199710200425.VAA01795@ritchie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 19, 97 09:27:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On Sun, 19 Oct 1997 09:20:42 -0400 (EDT), RMORTENSEN@aol.com wrote: > > >Does anyone know what the clock speed is in a tp 750ce, and is it possible to > >overclock it x 2 using speedcpu.exe, or a comparable program.? > >BOb The 750Ce uses an 50Mhz SL Enhanced 486DX2. The rest of the 750 models use a 33Mhz 486SL. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 01:22:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100431361; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:22:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26372; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:12:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26256; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26228; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17398; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210510.WAA17398@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kata Koppel" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:13:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Docking for 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 02:46:03 -0500, Kata Koppel wrote: >Hi, > >I'd really like to get a Dock for my 750P to add a CD, etc. However, I >haven't seen any in shops around here. Can anyone recommend a mail-order >or Net vendor where I might get information about these and/or prices? > >I've seen both Dock I and II recommended, are there any differences in >compatibility with my 750P? > >Thanks in advance, > >Kata >-- >Kata Koppel >kata@nalu.net > Kata and all- After doing a quick search in the ThinkPad Assistant, this is what I found. It appears to work with both the Dock I and Dock II. The Dock II is better, but more expensive. Also, if anyone still wants the ThinkPad Assistant, please let me know. ? Choose the section to which you wish to jump, below: Sections Architecture/Memory Standard Features Disk/Tape Storage Expansion/Operating Systems Keyboard/Security Physical/Environmental/Misc Return to the ThinkPad 750/750C/750Cs/750P header. DESCRIPTION 9545-006/008/206/208/306/308/40C/40E BUILT-IN EXPANSION SLOTS Total "Adapter" Slots 0 Available Slots 0 Maximum RAM with Available Slots 20MB # of Slots Required for Maximum RAM 0 # of Slots Avail after Maximum RAM 0 # of PCMCIA Slots 1 or 2 (4f) # of PCMCIA Type 1/2/3 Slots 0/0/1 (4f) (7i) EXTERNAL EXPANSION SUPPORT IBM 3545 ThinkPad Dock I System Yes (7q) IBM 3546 ThinkPad Dock II System Yes (7r) IBM 3547 ThinkPad SelectaDock I No (7v) | IBM ThinkPad Replicator Model I Yes (7o) IBM ThinkPad Replicator Model II Yes (7p) IBM ThinkPad SelectaDock Base Model I Yes (7u) | OPERATING SYSTEM SUPPORT IBM PC/DOS 5.02 or later J5.02/V or later PenDOS 2.01 or later (750P) 6.1 or later IBM OS/2 2.1 with APAR fixes PJ09087 and PJ09770 (avail from 800-992-4777) IBM Pen for OS/2 1.0 (750P) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 01:24:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106871460; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:24:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26681; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26597; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26526; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17663 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:16:58 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <199710210516.WAA17663@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: <199710210516.WAA17663@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "John Kim" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:18:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Attn: Microsoft Outlook users Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:39:51 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >Will those of you using Microsoft Outlook please change your >configuration so it sends plain text only - no attachments? I'm >getting your messages as one or two attachments - HTML, or HTML >and text. The HTML I can't read without saving it to a file >first. The text I should be able to read but Microsoft put some >strange identifier on it instead of "ascii" and my mail program >refuses to let me view it. > >Thanks >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com > > I'm glad someone finally spoke up on this issue. I agree with John about the attachments, as it gets annoying trying to read them. Actually, sometimes I miss information when someone tells me to open the attachment because they all seem the same, and like John, PMMail has trouble opening them too. And they get sorted wrong too (I keep archives of all my email). Thanks for your understanding. Regards, Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 01:26:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA114931601; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:26:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26907; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:24:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26833; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26808; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17859; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:22:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210522.WAA17859@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ross@pierce.math.hawaii.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:24:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 video driver upgrade Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 14 Oct 97 18:12:11 HST, David Ross wrote: >> I know that the palette for DSTN is lower than that of TFT, but I have >> my DSTN going at 64K colors (no palette, if memory serves me right), and >> I have the Chips & Tech 65545 (on the 701). > >This is what I want too. I thought maybe upgrading the Thinkpad Features >program might be necessary to fully access the new video driver's >features, but all it seems to do is make hibernation work even less >well. In fact, I'm now even having sporadic trouble shutting down. >Maybe I should upgrade the BIOS and thereby lose the system >altogether:-) > >- David > > Does the latest BIOS version seem to be buggy? You might want to check directly at the web site of the chipset manafacturer, and get drivers there. That's what IBM told me to do for the Chips & Tech drives - to go directly to their web site. Except for switching to DOS windowed and WIN-OS/2 windows getting distorted (or improperly scanned), the drivers work well, and it seems that my graphics are more colorful than the Macs at school (on Netscape) with 256 colors. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 01:35:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118882152; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:35:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27462; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27378; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26741; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17740; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210519.WAA17740@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Johnny Lau EEE" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:21:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: hd upgrade on 365xd Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 5 Oct 1997 01:12:46 +0800 (HKT), Johnny Lau EEE wrote: >Hello, > >The first thing I noticed on my 365xd is that it doesn't have a >bios information screen showing the hd type like other desktop or >notebook computer does. > >My question is what the max. hd size can the 365xd take? Do I >have to change the bios setting and how? Can I use standard >2.5" hd like those from Seagate 1.3G-2.1G instead of IBMs? > >Adv--Thanks--ance! > >Johnny Lau :-) > Since it's IDE, it should be able to automatically detect the Cylinders, Heads, and Sectors per track. I don't know about the capacity limit. It'd say about 8 or 9 gigs, but obviously they don't have 2.5" drives that large YET. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 01:36:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118952202; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:36:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27176; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:28:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27098; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27059; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA18048; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210526.WAA18048@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Daum" , "epbrown" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:29:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:56:34 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: >Randy, you are the well placed in the business school, a subsidy would be >nice indeed! I'd consider that myself! ;) > >As ep noted, what I had in mind was for someone interested in the upgrade to >negotiate a half price deal in exchange for a solid unbiased report. And >indeed you or ep would be technically competent enough to properly run the >testing...except for ep having sold his 701... (Good grief, Charlie Brown!) > >Oh, are all the upgrade paths out there the same? I've only seen the PEP >offering. > >Ep notes a May 95 release date for the 701 but it must have been 94 as I >bought mine early in '95 after the deep discounts. As I recall they were >originally about $6K and then were finally blown out at just over $2K. The >deal of the decade, thank you IBM. > >Cheers all, > >Bryan According to the ThinkPad Assistant, the 360 and 540MB models (DX4) came out on 3-7-95, and the 720MB (DX4) models on 9-5-95. The DX2 models came out on 3-7-95. Also, I was fortunate to get my 701 for 1805, overnight shipping included! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 01:47:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132342858; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:47:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28080; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:45:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28004; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net ([208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27994; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from merlind [208.226.130.225] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id A17E4C200D2; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:45:34 PST8PDT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971020224123.006aea90@mail.netnevada.net> X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:41:23 -0700 To: From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Also, I was fortunate to get my 701 for 1805, overnight shipping included! ouch...maybe I shouldn't mention I got mine for 3 digits.. The three digits add up to 2. :) I thought it was a pretty good deal.. :) ---------------------------------------- - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Network Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET 2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted messages preferred - ---------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 02:01:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160443662; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:01:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28517; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28439; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28405; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19206; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210556.WAA19206@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Vernon Brooks" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 22:58:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:41:23 -0700, Vernon Brooks wrote: >>Also, I was fortunate to get my 701 for 1805, overnight shipping included! > >ouch...maybe I shouldn't mention I got mine for 3 digits.. > >The three digits add up to 2. :) Hmm...? > >I thought it was a pretty good deal.. :) Well, it was an insurance company replacement over the aproximently $2500 355C I had before (I still have it, but it only charges the battery; hot too!. The only good thing about it was the keyboard, built-in disk drive, and TFT screen. Otherwise, I like my 701 A LOT better, especially since it came with OS/2 Warp installed (an incentive to get this over the 365, not to mention the 3 year warranty, as opposed to the 1 year on the 365). Paul >---------------------------------------- >- Vernon Brooks - >- Net Nevada Network Administrator - >- Las Vegas, NV (702) NET 2000 - >- PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - >- Encrypted messages preferred - >---------------------------------------- > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 02:03:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179143788; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:03:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28663; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:00:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28565; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28537; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19317; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210558.WAA19317@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 23:00:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 97 9:49:38 HST, David Ross wrote: >> >> But what ever happened to Dhrystones and Whetstones? That's what I typically >> >> used. >> > >> >These are very CPU/FPU intensive, and *not* systemic. Exactly the kind >> >of benchmark upgraders use to justify the $400 upgrade cost. >> > >> So do you mean they are good or bad? I am a little confused. >> >Neither good nor bad, just inappropriate for evaluating whole system >speed. If your desire for speed is largely to speed up number-crunching >apps, then these are what you want. If you're evaluating suitability of >a system to run Windows 95, then they are very misleading. The point is >that whet- and dhrystones mainly measure the speed of the CPU/FPU/cache >part of the machine, and largely ignore bus, video, and disk speed. >Thus, they make something like the AMD586 chip - which is fast >internally, but slow in talking to the rest of the world - look >artificially good. > >- David > > Sounds like the PEP system. I wish that there was a project for a suite of free benchmarks for all OSes which could be standard, though. Just my 2 cents. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 02:10:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239944205; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:10:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29090; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:03:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29012; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28901; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts11.loop.net (p00.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA19421; Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710210600.XAA19421@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kata Koppel" , "Tim Tyhurst" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 23:03:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Docking for 750P Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:54:42 -0400 (EDT), Tim Tyhurst wrote: >> I'd really like to get a Dock for my 750P to add a CD, etc. However, I >> haven't seen any in shops around here. Can anyone recommend a mail-order >> or Net vendor where I might get information about these and/or prices? >> >> I've seen both Dock I and II recommended, are there any differences in >> compatibility with my 750P? > >I've used both a Dock I and II with my 750P. No real compatibility >differences, although the Dock II doesn't support support warm or hot >docking with the 750 machines (it does with 360, 755 and 760s). The >Dock I doesn't support warm/hot docking at all. > >The Dock II is quite a bit bigger and has a standard half-height IDE drive >bay, plus two ISA slots. The Dock I has only a 1" high bay which requires >the purchase of extra stuff from IBM to be useful. The Dock II has a much >better built-in SCSI subsystem. The Dock I has a non-standard SCSI >connector for connecting external devices. > >Both have been out of production for a while; I don't happen to know >of any places off hand that are still advertising either unit. Recent >prices I've seen are $30-120 for a Dock I, $200-$350 for a Dock II, >but that may be a little out of date. > I wonder if the Dock II systems will ever get down to < $30, like how 5160 XTs and 5150 PCs got down that low after a few years (but I don't want to wait 10 years, though). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 02:46:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077966374; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:46:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00335; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:43:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00237; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00222; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 02:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86017-1>; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:42:42 +0200 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id IAA01382 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:42:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:19:00 +0200 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 365XD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > On Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:47:00 +0200, Harald Milz wrote: > > >I should have added "with this chip attached to a DSTN". In my case 3.3.1 > >swaps the left and right halves of the screen. It works find on an external > >monitor, though. > > > So in other words, the display gets messed up? Also, I don't think DSTN has > a left and a right. It's supposed to be a top and a bottom. It's a DSTN, and it's left and right. Believe me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 08:10:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013485843; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:10:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24569; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:07:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24496; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eunet.ch (mail.eunet.ch [146.228.10.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24486; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.esec.com (ns.esec.com [194.191.93.34]) by mail.eunet.ch (8.8.6/1.34) via ESMTP id MAA11109; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:06:58 GMT env-from (carsten.seibert@esec.com) Received: from snoopy.esec.com (snoopy.esec.com [194.191.93.97]) by ns.esec.com (8.8.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA04295; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:05:41 +0200 (METDST) Received: from esec.com (blanc.esec.com [194.191.94.144]) by snoopy.esec.com (8.8.3/8.8.2.1) with ESMTP id OAA07860; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:00:42 +0200 (METDST) Sender: carsten.seibert@esec.com Message-Id: <344C9A8E.D3082145@esec.com> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:05:34 +0200 From: Carsten Seibert Organization: ESEC SA X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: 750 Microphone help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Chris, I had a similar problem with my 760ED. My problem was the power level for the "active" microphone (I had a headset supplied with IBM Voice Type) at the mic input of the laptop. I bought an additional "power provider" (battery pack) from the headset manufacturer. Works fine (the headset, not Voice Type!!!). Carsten Chris Schumann wrote: > I'm trying to use Microsoft NetMeeting to talk over the Internet, and it's > the first time I've tried to use a microphone on my 750. > > It doesn't work. > > I can't get any mic input under Win95 using NetMeeting or Sound Recorder, > nor can I get mic input using the DOS IBMAUDIO demo software that came on > the ThinkPad. I've used some Windows software and the IBMAUDIO to capture > line-level input just fine (even 44.1kHz 16 bit stereo with IBMAUDIO), but > I get nothing from either of two mics which work fine on other machines. I > even bought a mono to stereo adapter, and that doesn't help either. > > I'd appreciate it if someone who has used a mic on a 750 would help me > through this rough spot. It would reduce my phone bills a bit. > > Many thanks > > "In the last film I ever saw, they kept the change and they told lies." > Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 11:34:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060398057; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:34:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06558; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:18:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06386; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06364; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29098; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18356; Tue, 21 Oct 97 11:25:08 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA08333; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:25:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:25:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades In-Reply-To: <199710210558.WAA19317@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > > Sounds like the PEP system. I wish that there was a project > for a suite of free benchmarks for all OSes which could be standard, > though. The problem with this is that with different OSes, you wind up measuring the relative efficiency of the compilers, not the hardware. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 14:00:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089006805; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:00:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16759; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:43:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16246; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16228; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: (from root@localhost) by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA28087 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <971021002112_981683289@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: No Subject Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How do I unsubscribe ? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 15:03:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103590585; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:03:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21178; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:56:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20952; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net ([208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20882; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710211856.OAA20882@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from merlin.netnevada.net [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id AAB43D50154; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:55:48 PST8PDT X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 1 (build 175) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 11:55:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Fwd: No Subject Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >X-UIDL: 806 >Status: U > >How do I unsubscribe ? Hah!!! I had to include the headers to give the right effect... Well, this certainly clarifies a few things! ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 17:58:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142481130; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:58:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02701; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:54:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02558; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02528; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts05.loop.net (p04.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.169]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA28569; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710212152.OAA28569@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "PEPSales@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 12:41:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: No Subject Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT), PEPSales@aol.com wrote: >How do I unsubscribe ? > Looks like someone got upset because we wanted REAL benchmarks. Clink clink (2 pennies). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 18:57:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156334675; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:57:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05268; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:48:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05157; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05139; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA29618; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:47:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:47:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Attn: Microsoft Outlook users In-Reply-To: <199710210516.WAA17663@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > I'm glad someone finally spoke up on this issue. I agree with John about > the attachments, as it gets annoying trying to read them. Actually, I don't even bother trying to read the attachments anymore. I run Pine on a Linux box and they are rarely worth the hassle. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 19:22:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160636128; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:22:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06404; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:18:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06321; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06309; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29722; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:17:18 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: David Ross , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades In-Reply-To: <199710210558.WAA19317@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > Sounds like the PEP system. I wish that there was a project > for a suite of free benchmarks for all OSes which could be standard, > though. Benchmarks themselves are somewhat synthetic approximations of true performance. Short of running the actual code you care most about the best they can do is give you a rough approximation of performance. The bulk of the market seems to care most about how well common Windows apps perform, so benchmarks like Winbench use large chunks of actual application code and time common activities like text scrolling and database sort and junk like that. While a benchmark like that can give me a rough idea of comparative performace between systems it doesn't tell me much about how my own personal "most used apps" will perform. These common Windows benchmarks give CPU's like the Cyrix 6x86MX very high performance numbers. This is all well and good for people that use those applications, but for the apps I use the 6x86MX is one of the slowest CPU's [on a rated Pxx spec, or actual clock per clock basis] I could choose. I care most about game performance, and anything above a P90 or so is fine for the apps I use. That's why I use the types of software I run to generate my own numbers that reflect my own needs in a system. ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 19:30:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA161576618; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:30:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06716; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:22:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06617; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06600; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29757; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:22:01 -0700 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:22:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: John Kim Cc: Paul Khoury , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Thinkpad upgrades In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, John Kim wrote: > The problem with this is that with different OSes, you wind up > measuring the relative efficiency of the compilers, not the > hardware. More than one manufacturer has tuned a compiler to give better performance numbers with common benchmarks.. =) ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 21 23:38:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210841505; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:38:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16496; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:34:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16296; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16255; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts09.loop.net (p19.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.64]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA05105 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710220332.UAA05105@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 20:35:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: USB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if USB ports come on the 770, or if any notebooks/laptops have them yet? And is it still only limited to compatibilty with 1 OS overall? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 06:57:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274737872; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:57:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15981; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:50:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15898; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.ins.net (root@popp.ins.de [192.129.55.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15883; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from news.mlc.de ([194.122.215.34]) by relay.ins.net (8.8.5/INS-1.5.1) with ESMTP id MAA06156 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:50:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from Riker.mlc.de ([193.98.182.110]) by news.mlc.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07240 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:19:25 +0200 Received: by Riker.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 41256538.00401781 ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:40:03 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: MLC RATINGEN To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <41256538.003FE294.00@Riker.mlc.de> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:27 +0100 Subject: Power Management / NT 5.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know whether the power management features that will be included in NT5 can be used on a TP765 or 770? I've read somewhere that MS won't support "old" standards like APM1.1. Stefan Tilkov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 09:00:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294275228; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:00:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19729; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:57:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19640; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19623; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:56:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from slip139-92-20-95.wk.uk.ibm.net ([139.92.20.95]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2029794; 22 Oct 97 13:18 BST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 760's Mwave v2.25 - Problems Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:18:19 GMT Message-Id: <344ddfb4.1285786@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu About 3 months ago I upgraded the Mwave DSP in my IBM ThinkPad 760CD (P120, 40MB RAM, 1.12GB HD) with the new driver v2.25 (for windows95) >from IBM, which enables 33.6kbps modem speed. The previos version (2.24) has a 28.8kbps maximum. =46irstly, whilst on-line at the 33.6kbps speed setting, all sound functions are disabled - irritating when trying to listen to web radio broadcasts!This is a known and documented in the release notes. Is there a work-around, or any plans of a fix/upgrade in the near future? Second and more importantly, occasionally, whilst online, suddenly there is modem inactivity and I get a message informing of an Mwave internal error, then the system hangs, requiring me to press ctrl-alt-del followed by shutting down the program 'discrim', thereafter the system works fine although the modem will not function unless I reboot. Rebooting solves this everytime. As I say, this doesn't happen often and doesn't bother me too much, but it'd be nice to know what's going on. These are the details: "MWAVE 0001: Mwave modem internal Error =46ile: MWMSPCFC.C Line 1857" After clicking 'OK', this is followed by system freeze. On pressing ctrl-alt-del, I find the program DISCRIM not responding, so I shut that particular program down. This follows by another message: "MWAVE 0001: Mwave modem internal error Primary code: 2(0*0002) Secondary code: 4(0*0004) =46ile: MWMSPCFC.C Line: 1580" After clicking 'OK', I get another message: "MMTASK. This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown. If problems persist contact the program vendor." Details: "MMTASK caused a general page fault in module USER.EXE..." After clicking 'CLOSE' on the above dialogue box, all is apparently back to normal - except Mwave modem doesn't work unless I reboot. After shutting down and performing a Test (from the Easy Setup), every components (including the test for the DSP) pass the test. This is consistent and, as I said earlier, only happened once every few days since I upgraded from v2.24 to v2.25 A few weeks ago, I installed Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 (release version) with the new active desktop. I started having lots of problems - plenty of crashes, including those similar to the above. So, I decided to clean-up my system by formatting the hard disk and start over - a long and laborious process. I left the Mwave modem setting at the default 28.8kbps maximum (not the 33.6kbps maximum, which will disable sound function whilst online). Now, I regularly (1 in 3 to 1 in 5 times) have problems with the Mwave modem. As before, suddenly there is online inactivity during downloading data (e.g. loading a Web pade or downloading a list of uselet messages), followed by a crash. Each time, at least a copy of IE4.0 and 1copy of Forte Agent are open. I can usually recover from such a crash by shutting down (after ctrl-alt-del) one (or both - depending on which is unresponsive) of the following: 'iexplore', 'explorer'. The result is that I am no longer online, although the Mwave modem seems to think that I'm still online! There is no way to get modem functionality again unless I reboot. Interestingly, this time, there are only very occasionally the Mwave internal error message. Although, I sometimes get the additional Error 201 after rebooting (before Win95 loads), which prompted me to Test the system (via Easy setup) - all tests were passes at each and every instance and rebooting is always possible thereafter. If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful. I have asked IBM's tech support who were very curteous, yet ultimately unhelpful. I also asked around on usenet. The general advice is that I should wait for a new driver to be released - is there anything on the way? I've waited over 3 moths already. Alternatively, I should revert back to version 2.24. I have resisted doing this previously since I wanted the 33.6kbps connectivity. However, today, since I'm now on 28.8 max setting anyway, I thought I would give the old version a go to see once and for all if this is Mwave problem or a problem with soemthing else on my system. I am glad to report that for the past day (consisting of 4 half-hour to 2 hour online sessions), under similar conditions as before, I've had no symptoms as described above *at all*. So, it really does appear as though it is the driver (v2.25) which is causing th problems. Anyone from IBM out there to comment? Any comments at all, especially (but certainly not exclusively) those with similar experiences, would be most appreciated. Nick P.S. Sorry for the long-winded posting - this message also serves a mental therapeutic purpose - this Mwave thing has driven me crazy!:). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 09:29:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001016957; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:29:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20933; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:22:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20856; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.mnsinc.com (mail1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20845; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm-customer ([206.239.28.8]) by mail1.mnsinc.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05312; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:21:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "C-MORE Systems" To: , Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760's Mwave v2.25 - Problems Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:23:09 -0700 Message-Id: <01bcdf06$c9287180$081cefce@ibm-customer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA-1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01BCDECC.1CAFA8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BCDECC.1CAFA8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nick, I have had the same problems with mwave 2.25, and ie4.0 release version. I am running a 760XD, and it is exasperating to have to reboot continuously to turn the modem back on. I ran mwave 2.24 on my 755CDV with ie4.0 beta 1 without any of these problems. FWIW I found the connection manager on beta 1 to be excellent. It became non-functional on beta 2, and vestigal on rel. 4.0. In my experience rel 4.0 is nowhere as stable as the beta 2. I tried eliminating the mwave modem on my 760XD by running a pccard modem (megahertz, 28.8) and ie4.0 rel., and the connections were more stable. The ie4.0 was still a problem in locking up the system. I don't think there is an easy way to get the DSP to do the modem funtions well, and do the audio at the same time. For the 770 series IBM uses the mwave for just the modem; the audio is handled by an audio chip. This leads me to believe that a pc card modem is the easiest answer for modem funtions, and the mwave would just be used for audio functions. BTW the modem upgrades have always happended sooner on the pccards than they have ever been forthcoming from IBM for mwave. I don't know if IBM acknowledges their mwave problems, but they are real, or where MS is with a patch for ie.4.0. Regards, Ira Kay About 3 months ago I upgraded the Mwave DSP in my IBM ThinkPad 760CD (P120, 40MB RAM, 1.12GB HD) with the new driver v2.25 (for windows95) >from IBM, which enables 33.6kbps modem speed. The previos version (2.24) has a 28.8kbps maximum. Firstly, whilst on-line at the 33.6kbps speed setting, all sound functions are disabled - irritating when trying to listen to web radio broadcasts!This is a known and documented in the release notes. Is there a work-around, or any plans of a fix/upgrade in the near future? Second and more importantly, occasionally, whilst online, suddenly there is modem inactivity and I get a message informing of an Mwave internal error, then the system hangs, requiring me to press ctrl-alt-del followed by shutting down the program 'discrim', thereafter the system works fine although the modem will not function unless I reboot. Rebooting solves this everytime. As I say, this doesn't happen often and doesn't bother me too much, but it'd be nice to know what's going on. These are the details: "MWAVE 0001: Mwave modem internal Error File: MWMSPCFC.C Line 1857" After clicking 'OK', this is followed by system freeze. On pressing ctrl-alt-del, I find the program DISCRIM not responding, so I shut that particular program down. This follows by another message: "MWAVE 0001: Mwave modem internal error Primary code: 2(0*0002) Secondary code: 4(0*0004) File: MWMSPCFC.C Line: 1580" After clicking 'OK', I get another message: "MMTASK. This program has performed an illegal operation and will be shutdown. If problems persist contact the program vendor." Details: "MMTASK caused a general page fault in module USER.EXE..." After clicking 'CLOSE' on the above dialogue box, all is apparently back to normal - except Mwave modem doesn't work unless I reboot. After shutting down and performing a Test (from the Easy Setup), every components (including the test for the DSP) pass the test. This is consistent and, as I said earlier, only happened once every few days since I upgraded from v2.24 to v2.25 A few weeks ago, I installed Microsoft Internet Explorer 4.0 (release version) with the new active desktop. I started having lots of problems - plenty of crashes, including those similar to the above. So, I decided to clean-up my system by formatting the hard disk and start over - a long and laborious process. I left the Mwave modem setting at the default 28.8kbps maximum (not the 33.6kbps maximum, which will disable sound function whilst online). Now, I regularly (1 in 3 to 1 in 5 times) have problems with the Mwave modem. As before, suddenly there is online inactivity during downloading data (e.g. loading a Web pade or downloading a list of uselet messages), followed by a crash. Each time, at least a copy of IE4.0 and 1copy of Forte Agent are open. I can usually recover from such a crash by shutting down (after ctrl-alt-del) one (or both - depending on which is unresponsive) of the following: 'iexplore', 'explorer'. The result is that I am no longer online, although the Mwave modem seems to think that I'm still online! There is no way to get modem functionality again unless I reboot. Interestingly, this time, there are only very occasionally the Mwave internal error message. Although, I sometimes get the additional Error 201 after rebooting (before Win95 loads), which prompted me to Test the system (via Easy setup) - all tests were passes at each and every instance and rebooting is always possible thereafter. If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful. I have asked IBM's tech support who were very curteous, yet ultimately unhelpful. I also asked around on usenet. The general advice is that I should wait for a new driver to be released - is there anything on the way? I've waited over 3 moths already. Alternatively, I should revert back to version 2.24. I have resisted doing this previously since I wanted the 33.6kbps connectivity. However, today, since I'm now on 28.8 max setting anyway, I thought I would give the old version a go to see once and for all if this is Mwave problem or a problem with soemthing else on my system. I am glad to report that for the past day (consisting of 4 half-hour to 2 hour online sessions), under similar conditions as before, I've had no symptoms as described above *at all*. So, it really does appear as though it is the driver (v2.25) which is causing th problems. Anyone from IBM out there to comment? Any comments at all, especially (but certainly not exclusively) those with similar experiences, would be most appreciated. Nick P.S. 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Brown" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk'" Subject: RE: ThinkPad 760's Mwave v2.25 - Problems Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:52:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nick said: About 3 months ago I upgraded the Mwave DSP in my IBM ThinkPad 760CD (P120, 40MB RAM, 1.12GB HD) with the new driver v2.25 (for windows95) >from IBM, which enables 33.6kbps modem speed. The previos version (2.24) has a 28.8kbps maximum. Much deleted. Synopsis: MWAVE modem prevents simultaneous sound and = crashes regularly, requiring a reboot to connect again. Yes Nick, I was nearly driven crazy by this too. I experienced these = two problems on all versions of MWAVE software (including Windows 3.1) = and could never solve them. I struggled for more than a year with it on = my 755CD. It's not worth it. Break down and buy a PCMCIA modem. You = will spend around $200 and be thrilled with the results. Your Internet = connection will feel much faster in comparison. The DSP chip, no longer = overcommitted with modem duties will produce timely sound and will not = crash. This problem is quite an embarressment to IBM. Aaron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 12:47:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039768831; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:47:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03005; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:37:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02910; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02881; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710221636.MAA02881@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from merlin.netnevada.net [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id AB9135B00CE; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:36:33 PST8PDT X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 1 (build 175) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:55 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Unsolicited Sales Email! Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Cc: pepsale2@portables.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Uhh, did I ask for this solicitation? Do you send this to everyone on the list who states that they have a thinkpad? =20 Has he done this to anyone else on this list? >Vernon, > >I saw your post on the forum. We can upgrade the CPU, HDD through 4gb , and >other things. Please cotnact me or visit our website if you have any other >questions or needs. > >Best Regards, > >Michael >email: pepsale2@portables.com >Portable Enhancements >The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM >800-737-7693 X102 >714-418-0113 X102 Tel >714-418-0117 Fax >Up to 8GB on your Notebook! >WEB: http://www.portables.com > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DOriginal Message=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >Subj: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model >Date:97-10-21 01:47:46 EDT >From:merlin@netnevada.net (Vernon Brooks) >To:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >>Also, I was fortunate to get my 701 for 1805, overnight shipping included! > >ouch...maybe I shouldn't mention I got mine for 3 digits.. > >The three digits add up to 2. =A0:) > >I thought it was a pretty good deal.. =A0:) >---------------------------------------- >- Vernon Brooks - >- =A0=A0Net Nevada Network Administrator =A0=A0- >- =A0=A0=A0Las Vegas, NV (702) NET 2000 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0- >- =A0=A0=A0PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0- >- =A0=A0=A0Encrypted messages preferred =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0- >---------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 12:53:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041909184; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:53:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03783; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:48:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03684; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03670; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00739; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:48:05 -0700 Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:48:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Vernon Brooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, pepsale2@portables.com Subject: Re: Unsolicited Sales Email! Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model In-Reply-To: <199710221636.MAA02881@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Vernon Brooks wrote: > Uhh, did I ask for this solicitation? Do you send this to everyone on the > list who states that they have a thinkpad? > > Has he done this to anyone else on this list? > > >Vernon, > > > >I saw your post on the forum. We can upgrade the CPU, HDD through 4gb , and > >other things. Please cotnact me or visit our website if you have any other > >questions or needs. I've been on this list a while, and that is typical of PEP. OTOH.. I was just poking around NECX's outlet center side of their Web site and they have a Thinkpad Dock II for $299. I seem to remember someone asking about dock stations a while back so that's why I mentioned it. If it were of any use on my TP560 I might get it myself. Has anyone heard of IBM offering a docking station option for the TP560's yet? ============================================================================ ==== Steve Parker ==== San Luis Obispo, CA ==== Multi-OS & Multitasking ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 14:33:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075285217; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:33:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08805; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:19:47 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08576; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA05529; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04224; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-16.usc.edu [128.125.224.16]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id JAA24662; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971022093213.00de3158@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:56:58 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: USB Cc: "ThinkPad List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:35 PM 10/21/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >Does anyone know if USB ports come on the 770, >or if any notebooks/laptops have them yet? And >is it still only limited to compatibilty with 1 OS overall? The USB does indeed come on the 770. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 16:10:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109121043; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:10:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14028; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:02:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13896; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13875; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port15-quit.netpathway.com [208.137.139.30]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12778 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:02:11 -0500 Message-Id: <002e01bcdf25$3621cca0$1e8b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760's Mwave v2.25 - Problems Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:00:56 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2015.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2015.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- From: Aaron W. Brown To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ; 'nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk' Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:31 AM Subject: RE: ThinkPad 760's Mwave v2.25 - Problems Nick said: About 3 months ago I upgraded the Mwave DSP in my IBM ThinkPad 760CD (P120, 40MB RAM, 1.12GB HD) with the new driver v2.25 (for windows95) >from IBM, which enables 33.6kbps modem speed. The previos version (2.24) has a 28.8kbps maximum. Much deleted. Synopsis: MWAVE modem prevents simultaneous sound and crashes regularly, requiring a reboot to connect again. Yes Nick, I was nearly driven crazy by this too. I experienced these two problems on all versions of MWAVE software (including Windows 3.1) and could never solve them. I struggled for more than a year with it on my 755CD. It's not worth it. Break down and buy a PCMCIA modem. You will spend around $200 and be thrilled with the results. Your Internet connection will feel much faster in comparison. The DSP chip, no longer overcommitted with modem duties will produce timely sound and will not crash. This problem is quite an embarressment to IBM. Aaron. I have personally gotten to hate the Mwave in my 760ED. At work I use it with a SelectaDock I and II. After so much frustration with lockups and slowdowns, plus the total pain it is to get my Simple Tech Communicator working correctly (so that I could bypass the Mwave modem), I have pulled the 760ED out of service here at work. I just replaced it with a spare desktop PC that I had at home (P166, 32MB EDO, 1.6GB) running build 1611 of Windows 98. IBM could never figure out why the 760 showed a PCI-ISA bridging conflict, even with a completely fresh install of SR2 and no PCI or ISA cards in the SelectaDockII. I used two PCI cards, a Matrox Millenium and a 3COM 100Mbit network card, in the station but ISA cards would not work or be recognized if installed. IBM had no clue whatsoever, so I finally gave up. Anyway, I am back to using a pretty stable running system. BTW, the multiple monitor feature of Win98 is great! I have the Matrox running a 17"monitor, and an STB Lightspeed 128 running a 15" monitor that is to the right of the 17". It may sound like a gimmick, but it works very well and is very productive. Sorry if this was last part was a bit off topic, but I agree that the Mwave is a big mistake by IBM. Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Oct 22 16:25:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113761909; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:25:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15202; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:19:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14985; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (root@tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14970; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (devil.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.214]) by tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA21666 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:15:15 +0200 (MESZ) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:18:34 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Eyrich Reply-To: Michael Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsolicited Sales Email! Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model In-Reply-To: <199710221636.MAA02881@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Did Portable Enhancements just ask about the way to unsubscribed without actually unsubscribing to get rid of criticisms and nasty benchmark-questions? :-) Michael Eyrich ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, FB Informatik +49-30-31426713 * * michey@prz.tu-berlin.de ** http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~michey/ * ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = BA E3 94 1B F7 75 6C BB 22 7D B3 73 71 0D FA 36 On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Vernon Brooks wrote: | Uhh, did I ask for this solicitation? Do you send this to everyone on the | list who states that they have a thinkpad? | | Has he done this to anyone else on this list? | | >Vernon, | > | >I saw your post on the forum. We can upgrade the CPU, HDD through 4gb , and | >other things. Please cotnact me or visit our website if you have any other | >questions or needs. [...] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 00:06:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276939601; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:06:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03623; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:56:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03448; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03427; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts03.loop.net (p05.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.110]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA19358; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:53:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230353.UAA19358@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 07:19:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760's Mwave v2.25 - Problems Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:18:19 GMT, nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk wrote: If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful. I have asked >IBM's tech support who were very curteous, yet ultimately unhelpful. I >also asked around on usenet. The general advice is that I should wait >for a new driver to be released - is there anything on the way? I've >waited over 3 moths already. Alternatively, I should revert back to >version 2.24. I have resisted doing this previously since I wanted the >33.6kbps connectivity. However, today, since I'm now on 28.8 max >setting anyway, I thought I would give the old version a go to see >once and for all if this is Mwave problem or a problem with soemthing >else on my system. It might not be such a bad idea to go back to the old revision. I've had that problem with some video drives, in fact. It could also be maybe the hardware is intermitently failing. Although my internal modem on my 701 would never pass for a while in Easy Setup (this is before I got it EZServed), but for some reason, it then started giving me intermittent errors, and though I have not had system crashs, sometimes a particular email, or even a particular CGI script from my old ISP would crash the modem, and sometimes the modem would test out okay, and other times it would not. You may want to consider EZServ if you can be without the machine, or if you are like me, and absolutley CANNOT be without it, then try to arrange EZServ arround a vacation or non-busy time. > >I am glad to report that for the past day (consisting of 4 half-hour >to 2 hour online sessions), under similar conditions as before, I've >had no symptoms as described above *at all*. So, it really does appear >as though it is the driver (v2.25) which is causing th problems. >Anyone from IBM out there to comment? > >Any comments at all, especially (but certainly not exclusively) those >with similar experiences, would be most appreciated. > And another thing I might add is that it's too bad that IBM Tech Support is always there for you, but you sware they used to work on Apple Macintosh support, and maybe heard something about MWave and IRQs at lunch break. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 00:12:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279099924; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:12:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04228; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:02:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04107; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04086; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts03.loop.net (p05.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.110]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20109 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230400.VAA20109@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 21:03:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone remember when I had the ThinkPad Assistant? Well, I've decided to convert it ALL to HTML, and maybe add some more machines based on information I get from the list. If anyone wants, I can send a zip file of it when I'm done. So far, I'm just about done with the 350, and finished the 300. And it does require long file names, as I use HPFS, and the filenames have commas and lots of characters in them. And also a side note: I checked out the 385D at CompUSA tonight, and that thing is AWESOME. Too bad it has a 1 year warranty, but that TFT LCD is beautiful. Wish I had it and 3799.99 to pay for it. :-) Also, is there anyone here who owns the newer ThinkPads such as the 770, 385, or the 765 who could send me the specs so I might add it to my list? Thanks, Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 00:16:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280530205; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:16:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03620; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:56:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03418; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03394; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts03.loop.net (p05.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.110]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA19379; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230354.UAA19379@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 07:20:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Power Management / NT 5.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:27 +0100, Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: >Does anyone know whether the power management features that will be >included in NT5 can be used on a TP765 or 770? I've read somewhere that MS >won't support "old" standards like APM1.1. > >Stefan Tilkov > > > Personally, if an OS didn't support older standards, like APM 1.1, or PCMCIA 2.0, or whatever, I would not give anything for it (Linux is an exception, because you can tweak it all you like). I don't know why MS would do that though. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 00:45:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290191912; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:45:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06068; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05945; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05918; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port26-quit.netpathway.com [208.137.139.41]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23866 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:39:16 -0500 Message-Id: <007401bcdf6d$dc46fb80$298b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Evergreen 701C upgrade results Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:40:58 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2015.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2015.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I ran across this tonight on Evergreen's webpage. There have been some questions lately regarding the actual performance benefits that this type of upgrade would bring. I don't remember anyone mentioning this page, so here goes. One of the comparisons uses an IBM 701c with a 486 DX2/50 MHz CPU with 4MB RAM running Winstone 97. They upgraded the system to 20MB RAM and ran the tests, then upgraded to processor to a 586 (133MHz, at least that is what they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: Configuration Winstone 97 score ------------------------------ -------------------- ------ 486/50 4MB Test would not run (Duh!) 486/50 20MB 7.16 586/133 20MB 16.4 Here is the link to this page: http://www.evertech.com/portperf.html All in all, I think this is a pretty decent performance increase. Is it worth the $400+ that it costs? Well, we all know who's decision that is! I also dug up the February 97 issue of Computer Shopper, which tested 14 133MHz Pentium notebooks. I know this may not seem like a fair comparison, but it is hard to find P75 - P100 benchmarks using Winstone 97. The Winstone 97 results ranged from a low of 19.4 for the Toshiba Tecra 720CDT, to a high of 27.4 for the Dell Latitudee LM P133ST (both machines were using 16MB EDO RAM). Compared to these scores, especially the Toshiba (although it was tested at 1024x768 resolution), the performance difference is not that great. Upgrade the RAM to 40MB and there might only be a point or so difference. Of course, this is all assuming that Evergreen's published figures are accurate. I'll get my 701c 75MHz with 24MB RAM out and run the Winstone 97 test to get some kind of comparison. I know these tests don't mean that much to some of the non-Windows users on the list (I see you nodding your head, Paul!), but maybe we can finally see if these upgrades are worth the money. Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 00:56:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293742597; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:56:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06393; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:40:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06103; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06054; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14060; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230436.VAA14060@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Michael Eyrich" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 21:39:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unsolicited Sales Email! Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:18:34 +0200 (MEST), Michael Eyrich wrote: > >Did Portable Enhancements just ask about the way to >unsubscribed without actually unsubscribing to get >rid of criticisms and nasty benchmark-questions? :-) > >Michael Eyrich > They're probably guilty because of their chessy benchmarks, and un-nessecary distribution of sales pitches to the whole list. Clink, clink. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 00:57:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293852620; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:57:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06022; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05889; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05759; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13739; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230429.VAA13739@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Vernon Brooks" Cc: "pepsale2@portables.com" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 21:32:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Unsolicited Sales Email! Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:35:55 -0700, Vernon Brooks wrote: >Uhh, did I ask for this solicitation? Do you send this to everyone on = the >list who states that they have a thinkpad? > Yeah, I got one, with an attachment that crashed my mail client, too. A= nd I can also see that one of the quotes is something I wrote. >Has he done this to anyone else on this list? > I wonder if they're distribution to the rest of the list could be consid= ered spam? Hmmm. BTW, I keep archives of all my mail, so I can check back if anyone would= like me to. >>Vernon, >> >>I saw your post on the forum. We can upgrade the CPU, HDD through 4gb = , and >>other things. Please cotnact me or visit our website if you have any o= ther >>questions or needs. >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Michael >>email: pepsale2@portables.com >>Portable Enhancements >>The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM >>800-737-7693 X102 >>714-418-0113 X102 Tel >>714-418-0117 Fax >>Up to 8GB on your Notebook! >>WEB: http://www.portables.com >> >>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3DOriginal Message=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >>Subj: Re: CPU Upgrades for 701 model >>Date:97-10-21 01:47:46 EDT >>From:merlin@netnevada.net (Vernon Brooks) >>To:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> >>>Also, I was fortunate to get my 701 for 1805, overnight shipping incl= uded! >> >>ouch...maybe I shouldn't mention I got mine for 3 digits.. >> >>The three digits add up to 2. =FF:) >> >>I thought it was a pretty good deal.. =FF:) >>---------------------------------------- >>- Vernon Brooks - >>- =FF=FFNet Nevada Network Administrator =FF=FF- >>- =FF=FF=FFLas Vegas, NV (702) NET 2000 =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF- >>- =FF=FF=FFPGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF- >>- =FF=FF=FFEncrypted messages preferred =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF- >>---------------------------------------- > >------------------------------------------ >- Vernon Brooks - >- Net Nevada Systems Administrator - >- Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - >- PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - >- Encrypted Messages Preffered - >------------------------------------------ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 01:00:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294842819; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:00:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06823; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:51:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06745; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06725; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA14536; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710230449.VAA14536@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Eric Giles" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: "Poop Sales" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 21:52:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:40:58 -0500, Eric Giles wrote: >I ran across this tonight on Evergreen's webpage. There have been some >questions lately regarding the actual performance benefits that this type of >upgrade would bring. I don't remember anyone mentioning this page, so here >goes. > >One of the comparisons uses an IBM 701c with a 486 DX2/50 MHz CPU with 4MB >RAM running Winstone 97. They upgraded the system to 20MB RAM and ran the >tests, then upgraded to processor to a 586 (133MHz, at least that is what >they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: > >Configuration Winstone 97 score >------------------------------ -------------------- >------ >486/50 4MB Test would not run (Duh!) >486/50 20MB 7.16 >586/133 20MB 16.4 > >Here is the link to this page: http://www.evertech.com/portperf.html > >All in all, I think this is a pretty decent performance increase. Is it >worth the $400+ that it costs? Well, we all know who's decision that is! > >I also dug up the February 97 issue of Computer Shopper, which tested 14 >133MHz Pentium notebooks. I know this may not seem like a fair comparison, >but it is hard to find P75 - P100 benchmarks using Winstone 97. The Winstone >97 results ranged from a low of 19.4 for the Toshiba Tecra 720CDT, to a high >of 27.4 for the Dell Latitudee LM P133ST (both machines were using 16MB EDO >RAM). Compared to these scores, especially the Toshiba (although it was >tested at 1024x768 resolution), the performance difference is not that >great. Upgrade the RAM to 40MB and there might only be a point or so >difference. Of course, this is all assuming that Evergreen's published >figures are accurate. I'll get my 701c 75MHz with 24MB RAM out and run the >Winstone 97 test to get some kind of comparison. > >I know these tests don't mean that much to some of the non-Windows users on >the list (I see you nodding your head, Paul!), but maybe we can finally see >if these upgrades are worth the money. > >Eric Giles > Well, I was actually nodding my head that unlike Pep Sales, there were actually well-known benchmarks, but of course, for Windows. Everyone probably knows that although I can lend a hand to Windows problems, I am an OS/2 fanatic (not like it isn't obvious!). And regarding Evergreen's benchmarks, it's hard to get an accurate score because things are all relative - everyone's machine (unless they are company machines) should be tailored to that individual person's needs, like screen resolution, RAM, Hard drive, operating system and applications, external options, PCMCIA options, etc. The list goes on and on and... you get the point. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 02:34:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA033418472; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 02:34:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07968; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:32:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07892; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07882; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA00670; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:30:33 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA07054; Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:32:43 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710230532.TAA07054@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results To: egiles@netpathway.com (Eric Giles) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 19:32:43 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <007401bcdf6d$dc46fb80$298b89d0@egiles>; from "Eric Giles" at Oct 22, 97 11:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu These results are interesting, since (a) Gainbery (whose site seems to have disappeared) used to show a much smaller Winstone '95 increase with a comparable upgrade, and (b) when ZD ran Winstone '95 tests on an Evergreen upgrade of a DX-33 system, they only measured a 40% difference (and that wasn't starting from a clock-doubled system!) I can't help but notice that the way that Evergreen presents the results on their page clearly violates the licensing agreement from ZDlabs (see http://www.zdnet.com/zdbop/winstone/license.html); in particular, they don't say anything about video resolution, configuration (how much HD cache?) and even what hard drive/cdrom they were using (after all, Winstone '97 can *only* be run from a cdrom, but the 701 doesn't come with one). If the Winstone 97 improvements are so good, why were the laptop upgraders on this list so reluctant to give them? However, isn't surprising that there's a decent improvement from the DX2-50 version of the 701 to the AMD chip - the benchmarks on my CPU upgrade web site show a decent improvement in a similar situation, from a DX2-66 to an AMD586-133. (About 70% speedup on some apps, and 3-4 times as fast on nonsystemic benchmarks like Norton and whetstones.) The AMD is an awesome chip. > tests, then upgraded to processor to a 586 (133MHz, at least that is what > they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: Well, we all know that this is false. David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 10:56:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180538592; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:56:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01656; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:51:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01488; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01462; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA10586 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:49:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bos-ma7-23.ix.netcom.com(199.183.202.55) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma010559; Thu Oct 23 09:49:28 1997 Received: by kkwan with Microsoft Mail id <01BCDF9F.B92783E0@kkwan>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:37:55 -0400 Message-Id: <01BCDF9F.B92783E0@kkwan> From: Kim Kwan To: ThinkPad List Subject: un-subscribe Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:37:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Un-subscribe please. ---------- From: Paul Khoury Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 3:20 AM To: ThinkPad List; Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de Subject: Re: Power Management / NT 5.0 On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:39:27 +0100, Stefan.Tilkov@mlc.de wrote: >Does anyone know whether the power management features that will be >included in NT5 can be used on a TP765 or 770? I've read somewhere that MS >won't support "old" standards like APM1.1. > >Stefan Tilkov > > > Personally, if an OS didn't support older standards, like APM 1.1, or PCMCIA 2.0, or whatever, I would not give anything for it (Linux is an exception, because you can tweak it all you like). I don't know why MS would do that though. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 14:09:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231580160; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:09:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09760; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:52:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09581; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09567; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA16825; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18157; Thu, 23 Oct 97 11:59:14 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA12066; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:59:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Eric Giles Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results In-Reply-To: <007401bcdf6d$dc46fb80$298b89d0@egiles> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Eric Giles wrote: > they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: > > Configuration Winstone 97 score > ------------------------------ -------------------- > ------ > 486/50 4MB Test would not run (Duh!) > 486/50 20MB 7.16 > 586/133 20MB 16.4 The 701 has a 25MHz bus. 133MHz on the CPU is impossible unless they're using something really weird like a 5.33x clock multiplier (read unliklely). My hunch is that in addition to installing the processor, they tweaked the bus speed up to 33 MHz. While that may work for some machines, it will probably fail on most, at least under hot or strenuous circumstances (the components are only tested to 25MHz, otherwise IBM would've made it 33MHz to begin with). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 15:29:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258294970; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:29:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14697; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:16:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14467; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14427; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts12.loop.net (p00.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.135]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA04062; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710231913.MAA04062@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Eric Giles" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 06:59:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 22 Oct 97 19:32:43 HST, David Ross wrote: >> tests, then upgraded to processor to a 586 (133MHz, at least that is what >> they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: > >Well, we all know that this is false. > >David R. > > It's interesting how something can appear so desirable, something that makes our machines faster, and it turns out that the truth was bent. How deceptive! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 17:06:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289060794; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:06:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19562; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:48:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19376; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19353; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-01.usc.edu [128.125.224.1]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id NAA28035; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971023132813.00d93e38@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:29:38 -0700 To: "Whittle, Randy" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Birth Announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Friends & Family, This morning (Thursday, 10/23/97) at about 7:00 am, Vicki gave birth to our 2nd child via C-section. Our little girl weighed in at a small but healthy 5 lbs., 9.2 ounces. Her name is still being discussed, but thus far we're leaning toward "Brittany Morgan Whittle". Mother is resting comfortably at Good Samaritan Hospital in downtown L.A. It may be a month or two before I get any pictures up on the internet (time to get pics developed, scanned, & then a web page laid out), but I presume by Christmas I'll have some pictures of the new addition to our family up. If you're curious, that web address--when I get it set up--will be: http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~whittle. Currently, it has some very *OLD* stuff at that site that hasn't been updated in about a year or more (which is why I don't advertise its existence), but at least I'll get some pictures of the new baby up in the next month or two should you want to have a looksee. Thanks for your indulgence... :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 17:13:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA291001200; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:13:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20944; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:09:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20797; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20766; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA04656; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:07:13 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09265; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:09:25 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710232109.LAA09265@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 11:09:24 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, egiles@netpathway.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710231913.MAA04062@stevie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 23, 97 6:59 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I said: > >> they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: > > > >Well, we all know that this is false. Paul said: > It's interesting how something can appear so desirable, something > that makes our machines faster, and it turns out that the truth was bent. To make things clear, I'm not asserting that their *benchmarks* are false (though I *do* wish they'd followed the ZD requirements of explicitly reporting all details of the testing - for all we know, on the DX2-50 test they had the machine set for no HD cache, 'mobile system' file system in the Performance settings, and high color, while on the AMD version they might have had a big cache, 'network server' set, and low-res graphics). I was expressing what John Kim has made more explicit, that the AMD chip will be 100mhz instead of 133mhz on this machine, except in the almost completely unlikely event that they've tweaked the machine's clock. BTW, the AMDchip can actually be safely overclocked to 160mhz (i.e., a 40mhz machine bus speed); I'm curently doing this on my home desktop (mainly used by my 3-year-old for games these days). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 21:57:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047858220; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:57:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02321; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:52:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02189; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02179; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ip-pdx06-13.teleport.com (ip-pdx06-13.teleport.com [206.163.123.174]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA07115 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710240152.SAA07115@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How disappointing! Bryan >How deceptive! > >Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 23 23:14:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA061452842; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:14:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04258; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04145; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (root@einstein.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04134; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA20410 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21762; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:06:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199710240306.XAA21762@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: DirectX 5.0 and Thinkpad 560E? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know whether DirectX 5.0 works with a 560E? Couldn't find this info on any of the relevant websites (Microsoft, IBM, Trident) and I don't want to trash the audio and video drivers. A related question: when installing DirectX, it asks if one wants to overwite various drivers. Should one say yes? Thanks, Henry Note: Please e-mail to me directly so I rarely read the large amount of e-mail on this list. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 00:31:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074447468; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:31:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06847; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:28:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06754; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06694; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts11.loop.net (p16.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.121]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA27840; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710240425.VAA27840@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "egiles@netpathway.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 21:28:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Oct 97 11:09:24 HST, David Ross wrote: >I said: >> >> they claim). Here are Evergreen's results: >> > >> >Well, we all know that this is false. > >Paul said: >> It's interesting how something can appear so desirable, something >> that makes our machines faster, and it turns out that the truth was bent. > >To make things clear, I'm not asserting that their *benchmarks* are false >(though I *do* wish they'd followed the ZD requirements of explicitly >reporting all details of the testing - for all we know, on the DX2-50 >test they had the machine set for no HD cache, 'mobile system' file >system in the Performance settings, and high color, while on the AMD >version they might have had a big cache, 'network server' set, and >low-res graphics). I was expressing what John Kim has made more >explicit, that the AMD chip will be 100mhz instead of 133mhz on this >machine, except in the almost completely unlikely event that they've >tweaked the machine's clock. > >BTW, the AMDchip can actually be safely overclocked to 160mhz (i.e., a 40mhz >machine bus speed); I'm curently doing this on my home desktop (mainly >used by my 3-year-old for games these days). > >- David > > And then another obvious problem would be cooling off the AMD chip. I wonder if these upgrade people would put that into perspective. And would RAM make a difference, in speed? I know that the 701 uses 70 nanosecond RAM (non-parity, I believe). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 00:39:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075797990; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:39:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07250; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07147; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.mcit.com (alpha.mcit.com [199.249.18.143]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07135; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omzrelay.mcit.com (omzrelay.mcit.com [166.37.204.49]) by alpha.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id AAA11818; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (imeid03.mcit.com [166.37.221.15]) by omzrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id XAA08573; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:35:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ashburn1 ([166.32.100.154]) by imeid03.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with SMTP id <19971024043559.QGNH14145@[166.32.100.154]>; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:35:59 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:33:55 -0400 Message-Id: From: Gregg Ginsberg To: "'Henry S. Greenside'" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: DirectX 5.0 and Thinkpad 560E? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:36:46 -0400 Organization: executiveONE R&D X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4025 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, October 23, 1997 11:06 PM, Henry S. Greenside [SMTP:hsg@phy.duke.edu] wrote: > > Does anyone know whether DirectX 5.0 works with a 560E? > > Couldn't find this info on any of the relevant websites > (Microsoft, IBM, Trident) and I don't want to trash the > audio and video drivers. > > A related question: when installing DirectX, it asks if > one wants to overwite various drivers. Should one say > yes? They work fine on both the 560/560E and 760/765 which use the Trident 938X chipset. I was pretty hesitant about installing them in order to play "Dark Reign," as I have been providing support for Thinkpads for over three years and know how finicky their video hardware has been in the past, but all went smoothly. Saying yes to overwriting the drivers is fine. One positive side effect of installing Trident's own drivers is that you can modify quite a bit more (like scan rate) directly from the Display Control Panel vs. having to deal with the abomination that is "Thinkpad Features." --- Gregg Ginsberg executiveONE R&D MCI Telecommunications Phone: 202-887-3045, v220-3045 Gregg.Ginsberg@MCI.Com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 03:05:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097816758; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:05:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10952; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:03:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10859; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.kemira.com (ns.kemira.com [137.33.254.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10666; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ns.kemira.com; id KAA07417; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:02:05 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <199710240702.KAA07417@ns.kemira.com> Received: from kemira.com(137.33.1.2) by ns.kemira.com via smap (3.2) id xma007329; Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:01:37 +0300 Received: from hkipivdo.fin.kemira.com by hkigw1.fin.kemira.com with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA21368; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:57:21 +0200 From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:50:37 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701: which parallel port for QuickCam? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.39 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a Connectix QuickCam (B&W model), which I have started to use with CUSeeMe/2 (alpha version of CUSeeMe for OS/2) on my TP701C. Should I configure the parallel port on the MultiPort II as ECP or EPP? There are two shareware packages that can be used in connection with CUSeeMe/2 for a QuickCam: QV2 and QPICTOS2. The former appears to be smarter and is even slightly less expensive. However, I haven't been able to get it to work on my TP; QPICTOS2 recognizes the QC and works OK. Any suggestion? Thanks, -- Dominique ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 03:13:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098437210; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:13:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11397; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:10:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11276; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11264; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 03:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07690; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:09:04 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10773; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:11:16 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710240711.VAA10773@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Evergreen 701C upgrade results To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 21:11:16 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, egiles@netpathway.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710240425.VAA27840@ritchie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Oct 23, 97 9:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > And then another obvious problem would be cooling off the AMD chip. The AMD runs (at least in the ADZ version) runs substantially cooler than the chip it is replacing! > > I wonder if these upgrade people would put that into perspective. And would > RAM make a difference, in speed? I know that the 701 uses 70 nanosecond > RAM (non-parity, I believe). RAM speed only matters if it mandates insertion of wait states; I can't imagine how you'd even do this on the 701, and in any event the implication is that the before- and after configurations were identical. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 05:12:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110654340; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:12:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15784; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:09:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15693; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.microserve.net (mail.microserve.net [207.44.0.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15677; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (eye.microserve.com [198.70.182.26]) by mail.microserve.net (8.8.5/naISPa) with SMTP id FAA28419 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710240908.FAA28419@mail.microserve.net> From: "Joseph Pugliese" To: "thinkpad submissions" Subject: modem problem Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:10:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCE03B.33C3E620" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCE03B.33C3E620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a virus problem and Microsoft tech support had me remove = windows95 and reinstall it. I can't get DUN to work because I can't get = it to recognize my modem . I purchased a ThinkPad 755cse from a student. The modem was installed = and working fine.When I have to select a modem I don't know what to = select.It asks about a pcmica card and I don't have one to insert.please = any guidance you can give will be greatly appreciated.If you can't help = maybe you can give me the proper number to call at IBM for assistance. Joe =20 Joseph Pugliese email:jpuglies@eye.microserve.com jpuglies@pol.net http:www.microserve.net/~jpuglies=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCE03B.33C3E620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 I had a virus = problem and=20 Microsoft tech support had me remove windows95 and reinstall it. I can't = get DUN=20 to work because I can't get it to recognize my modem .

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCE03B.33C3E620-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 05:33:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112525591; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:33:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22611; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:31:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22540; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22529; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ben.edelweb.fr (ben.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.62]) by edelweb.fr with ESMTP id LAA06924 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:31:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from ben@localhost) by ben.edelweb.fr (8.8.5/8.6.6) id LAA12344; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:32:14 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:32:13 +0200 (MET DST) From: Ben To: thinkpad submissions Subject: Dial Up Networking/Win95/TP701 In-Reply-To: <199710240908.FAA28419@mail.microserve.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a TP701C which I've had for a good while now. In any case, I have a rather bizzare problem. When I'm using a PC Card modem(ANY PC Card modem) and I connect using Windows 95 Dial-Up Networking while I'm attached to the power mains, if the power cable comes unplugged, the computer shuts off. Now this happens even if the battery is full, but ONLY while Win95 Dial-Up NEtowrking is running--other modem programs don't disconnect me. Under FreeBSD, I can run PPP and I have no problems. Anyone got any suggestions? IBM doesn't seem to want to help. Thanks! Ben. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 12:28:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233910525; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:28:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10424; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:20:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09897; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09820; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 12:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 21393 invoked from network); 24 Oct 1997 16:18:09 -0000 Received: from asahel-16.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.194) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 1997 16:18:09 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701: which parallel port for QuickCam? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:18:01 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3450c7d4.535440@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199710240702.KAA07417@ns.kemira.com> In-Reply-To: <199710240702.KAA07417@ns.kemira.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:50:37 +0300, you wrote >I have a Connectix QuickCam (B&W model), which I have started to use = with >CUSeeMe/2 (alpha version of CUSeeMe for OS/2) on my TP701C. Should I >configure the parallel port on the MultiPort II as ECP or EPP? > >There are two shareware packages that can be used in connection with >CUSeeMe/2 for a QuickCam: QV2 and QPICTOS2. The former appears to be >smarter and is even slightly less expensive. However, I haven't been = able >to get it to work on my TP; QPICTOS2 recognizes the QC and works OK. Any >suggestion? I used both a greyscale QuickCam and CUSeeme on my 701 under Windows 95. I'd suggest using EPP mode for the parallel port, mostly because I couldn't get it to work using ECP :-) As for various programs working with it, the key is for whatever software you're using to detect the camera as a Video capture device. If it's not looking for one, it won't accept input. I had a similar problem with VuePrint at the time, and ended up using QuickPict (which comes with the QuickCam) to capture stills and video, then viewing and manipulating them a little using VuePrint and later Paint Shop Pro. Oddly, I thought the 701 was too slow to use CuSeeme and other video apps with, and now I've got a Pentium 166MMX (upgraded the Kiwi recently - no problems so far relating to the chip) and 32MB of RAM and just use an EasyPhotoReader. Emanuel Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM 510CS From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 13:32:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA244584349; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:32:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12814; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:18:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12696; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12678; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA73472; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:17:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: F Rodriguez <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Reply-To: MagicFab@bigfoot.com To: Thinkpad list Subject: QuickCam VC Message-Id: Organization: InterActions! - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am considering buying a QuickCam for videoconferencing. 1) Is anyone using the QuckCam VC on a 365XD or other thinkpad? 2) I hear there are 2 models: USB and parallel. Is there any way to add USB support to a Thinkpad that does not have it? 3) Anyone know of a reseller in Montreal, QC, Canada? Thanks for any input on these Fabian A. Rodriguez S. - Sherbrooke, QC, Canada Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs - Research Information Systems (514)695-7920x7027 MagicFab@bigfoot.com - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org - ICQ#1485512 ================================================================================ Visitez le code postal branche completement debile! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 16:33:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA292065186; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:33:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20819; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:15:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20740; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20729; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA11027; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:13:49 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12526; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:16:04 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710242016.KAA12526@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Dial Up Networking/Win95/TP701 To: ben@edelweb.fr (Ben) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:16:04 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Ben" at Oct 24, 97 11:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > In any case, I have a rather bizzare problem. When I'm using a PC Card > modem(ANY PC Card modem) and I connect using Windows 95 Dial-Up > Networking while I'm attached to the power mains, if the power cable > comes unplugged, the computer shuts off. Not so bizarre; DUN is notorious for interfering with the proper functioning of APM, which could then be shutting off your power. I'd suggest: (1) make sure your BIOS is most recent; (2) disable power management altogether (using Thinkpad Features or in EZ-setup), if you haven't already done so; (3) if these don't work (or even if they do), upgrade DUN to DUN1.2 (MS keeps moving this around on their website, if you have trouble finding it let me know and I'll find you a copy). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 17:06:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA299107218; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:06:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20552; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:10:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20423; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20412; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10982; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:08:47 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12516; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:11:02 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710242011.KAA12516@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: question for UK Thinkpad owners To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:11:02 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, An English friend is in the US for a couple of weeks, and he's thinking of buying a TP560 while he's here (since the current US price is ridiculously low right now). He has two questions, which I couldn't answer for him: (1) Will he have service problems when he returns to the UK? (My impression was that all he has to do is somehow reregister the machine...?) (2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 British English setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is the US dollar sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) Thanks, David R. (ross@math.haawaii.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 18:20:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014291638; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:20:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03252; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:14:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03160; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03121; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA03979; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:13:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971024170942.006b6894@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:09:42 -0500 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710242011.KAA12516@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:11 AM 10/24/97 HST, you wrote: >(2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 British English > setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is the US dollar > sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) I don't really know, but I had always assumed that the Pound Sign (#) would be converted to the Pound Sign (=A3). I'm pretty sure I've seen keyboard layouts that had the Pound Sterling symbol as Shift-3. Actually, my guess is that they would (assuming the use of Win95) be using the appropriate keyboard layout, as defined in the Language setting of the Keyboard properties in the Control Panel. He would pretty much ignore the legend actually screened onto the physical keys. (I'd suggest a few removable labels, with the "true" meanings, until he gets used to them.) --=20 Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 18:44:49 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA019693088; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:44:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04587; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:42:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04484; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04471; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (ld14-148.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.8.148]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA27474; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 15:41:40 -0700 Message-Id: <199710242241.PAA27474@m1.sprynet.com> From: "Jon Cleary" To: "David Ross" , Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:39:56 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >buying a TP560 while he's here (since the current US price is ridiculously >low right now). I bought a used 760ED in New York and brought it back with me as IBM UK prices are literally pound for dollar. My latest comparison is the new 770:$6799 by American Mail order or $9700 (6000 pounds) here in the UK.... >(1) Will he have service problems when he returns to the UK? (My >impression > was that all he has to do is somehow reregister the machine...?) I haven't tried servicing this thinkpad yet but something essential I didn't do was get an "International Warranty Service Certificate". You need to register on: 1-800-497-7426 I've used the UK HelpWare support for some Win95 problems I was having. I explained I had an American thinkpad and all they wanted was my telephone number to log the call. >(2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 British English > setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is the US dollar > sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) > >Thanks, >David R. (ross@math.haawaii.edu) As a point of fact it maps to the "#" hash key but if you do use the British Win95 settings other keys don't map properly and cause problems, such as the "\" back slash key. It's usually next to the Z key in the UK: below backspace in the US. I only really use the pound key in business letters. For this I use Character Map, by copying the pound key to the clipboard, then pasting into Word. I hope this helps! Jon Cleary Milton Keynes, UK From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 19:08:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024514499; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:08:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05528; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:05:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05453; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05443; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id TAA03322; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:05:34 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts001d02.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.14]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.7) id TAA23760; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710242305.TAA23760@newman.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:05:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971024170942.006b6894@popmail.mcs.net> References: <199710242011.KAA12516@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't think the 560 comes with an international warranty if purchased in= the States/Canada. If I'm not mistaken, the 3 year international warranty is = only available on IBM's high end notebooks, namely the 700 series. When I trav= elled to Europe (Ireland), IBM repaired my 720 without any questions asked and e= ven provided with a spare while I was working there. Although I've heard many= people bash IBM's service, I think there are worse vendors out there. As for the British pound symbol, Windows 95 can offer the UK keyboard layo= ut if that is what your friend is used to using. International keyboard layouts= are available and easily configurable. ... patrick > At 10:11 AM 10/24/97 HST, you wrote: > >(2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 Briti= sh > English > > setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is the = US > dollar > > sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) > > I don't really know, but I had always assumed that the Pound Sign (#) wo= uld be > converted to the Pound Sign (=A3). I'm pretty sure I've seen keyboard la= youts > that had the Pound Sterling symbol as Shift-3. > > Actually, my guess is that they would (assuming the use of Win95) be usi= ng the > appropriate keyboard layout, as defined in the Language setting of the > Keyboard properties in the Control Panel. He would pretty much ignore th= e > legend actually screened onto the physical keys. (I'd suggest a few remo= vable > labels, with the "true" meanings, until he gets used to them.) -- Ron. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 19:55:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA032227326; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:55:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07334; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:53:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07252; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07241; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id SAA13742 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:53:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971024185315.006b6760@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:53:15 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Character Set Code Pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! I need to specify a sort of "minimal" set of characters to be represented by any 8-bit bytes. It's pretty clear to me that I want US-ASCII for the 0x00 through 0x7f values. I was thinking that there is probably a set of characters in the 0x80 through 0xff range that is very common to IBM-compatible personal computers. I'm looking for pointers to information on such a set of characters (code page), why I would choose one over the others, and what it/they is/are officially called. Thanks! -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 22:15:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056205729; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:15:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11410; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11261; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11251; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id WAA01513; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:54 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts002d05.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.41]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.7) id WAA17020; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710250212.WAA17020@newman.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199710242305.TAA23760@newman.concentric.net> References: <3.0.3.32.19971024170942.006b6894@popmail.mcs.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I don't think the 560 comes with an international warranty if purchased = in the > States/Canada. If I'm not mistaken, the 3 year international warranty i= s only > available on IBM's high end notebooks, namely the 700 series. When I > travelled to Europe (Ireland), IBM repaired my 720 without any questions= asked > and even provided with a spare while I was working there. Although I've= heard > many people bash IBM's service, I think there are worse vendors out ther= e. > > As for the British pound symbol, Windows 95 can offer the UK keyboard la= yout > if that is what your friend is used to using. International keyboard la= youts > are available and easily configurable. > > ... patrick > > > At 10:11 AM 10/24/97 HST, you wrote: > > >(2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 Bri= tish > > English > > > setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is th= e US > > dollar > > > sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) > > > > I don't really know, but I had always assumed that the Pound Sign (#) = would be > > converted to the Pound Sign (=A3). I'm pretty sure I've seen keyboard = layouts > > that had the Pound Sterling symbol as Shift-3. > > > > Actually, my guess is that they would (assuming the use of Win95) be u= sing the > > appropriate keyboard layout, as defined in the Language setting of the > > Keyboard properties in the Control Panel. He would pretty much ignore = the > > legend actually screened onto the physical keys. (I'd suggest a few re= movable > > labels, with the "true" meanings, until he gets used to them.) -- Ron. > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. > > email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 24 23:23:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067629811; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:23:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13139; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:21:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13042; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.microserve.net (mail.microserve.net [207.44.0.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01041; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (eye.microserve.com [198.70.182.26]) by mail.microserve.net (8.8.5/naISPa) with SMTP id VAA21531 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199710240110.VAA21531@mail.microserve.net> From: "Joseph Pugliese" To: "thinkpad submissions" Subject: modem problems Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:12:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCDFF8.5561FDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCDFF8.5561FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a virus in my ThinkPad 755cse. I contacted Microsoft and I had to = uninstall windows95 and reinstall it. I can't get DUN to work because of a problem configuring the modem. I purchased this from a student. I don't know what modem is in it or what port it's on. Windows 95 = can't locate it and identify what port it's on.I tried ThinkPad 28.8 and = 14.4.the only port that comes up is com1 and usually the mouse is on = that. Any help and guidance anyone can give will be greatly appreciated. =20 Joseph Pugliese email:jpuglies@eye.microserve.com jpuglies@pol.net http:www.microserve.net/~jpuglies=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCDFF8.5561FDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 I had a virus in my = ThinkPad=20 755cse. I contacted Microsoft and I had to uninstall windows95 and = reinstall=20 it.

   I = can't get DUN to=20 work because of a problem configuring the modem.

   = I purchased=20 this from a student.

   I=20 don't know what modem is in it or what port it's on. Windows 95 can't = locate it=20 and identify what port it's on.I tried ThinkPad 28.8 and 14.4.the only = port that=20 comes up is com1 and usually the mouse is on = that. 

  =20 Any help and guidance anyone can give will be greatly=20 appreciated. 

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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BCDFF8.5561FDA0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 01:18:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086386685; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:18:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16208; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:13:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16078; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16053; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts14.loop.net (p15.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.210]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA17972; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710250512.WAA17972@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 07:04:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701: which parallel port for QuickCam? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Oct 97 09:50:37 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Hi, > >I have a Connectix QuickCam (B&W model), which I have started to use with >CUSeeMe/2 (alpha version of CUSeeMe for OS/2) on my TP701C. Should I >configure the parallel port on the MultiPort II as ECP or EPP? > Usually you should connect it as EPP, because it supposedly has a faster data thouroghput than SPP (the original), and most people don't like ECP either. While setting up a desktop for someone yesterday, I looked at the settings and saw that ECP needs a DMA channel. I don't know about EPP, but that could be a possible inconvience. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 01:29:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087847358; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:29:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16573; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:26:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16483; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16472; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts14.loop.net (p15.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.210]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19172; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710250526.WAA19172@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ben" , "thinkpad submissions" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 22:28:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dial Up Networking/Win95/TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:32:13 +0200 (MET DST), Ben wrote: >I've got a TP701C which I've had for a good while now. > >In any case, I have a rather bizzare problem. When I'm using a PC Card >modem(ANY PC Card modem) and I connect using Windows 95 Dial-Up >Networking while I'm attached to the power mains, if the power cable >comes unplugged, the computer shuts off. > >Now this happens even if the battery is full, but ONLY while Win95 >Dial-Up NEtowrking is running--other modem programs don't disconnect me. >Under FreeBSD, I can run PPP and I have no problems. > >Anyone got any suggestions? IBM doesn't seem to want to help. > >Thanks! > >Ben. > > Have you tried contacting Microsoft about it? It could be an I/O conflict with the APM. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 01:41:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089488082; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:41:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17026; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:33:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16936; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16895; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts14.loop.net (p15.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.210]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19560; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710250530.WAA19560@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 22:32:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:11:02 HST, David Ross wrote: >Hi, > >An English friend is in the US for a couple of weeks, and he's thinking of >buying a TP560 while he's here (since the current US price is ridiculously >low right now). He has two questions, which I couldn't answer for him: > >(1) Will he have service problems when he returns to the UK? (My impression > was that all he has to do is somehow reregister the machine...?) IBM now has help centers in RTP, North Carolina, Toronto, Canada, and Dublin, Ireland. He might be able to get support from Dublin. > >(2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 British English > setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is the US dollar > sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) > I think it is one of the ASCII characters. I forgot if UNIX/Linux supports it, but in OS/2, DOS/95, NT, you press ALT and the 3 digit number on the Num Pad. QBASIC will usually list which number that character is. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 01:41:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089558112; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:41:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17320; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:39:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17239; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17227; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p15.hwts14.loop.net (p15.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.210]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20144; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199710250538.WAA20144@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Joseph Pugliese" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 22:40:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: modem problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 05:10:53 -0700, Joseph Pugliese wrote: > I had a virus problem and Microsoft tech support had me remove windows95 and reinstall it. I can't get DUN to work because I can't get it to recognize my modem . > > I purchased a ThinkPad 755cse from a student. The modem was installed and working fine.When I have to select a modem I don't know what to select.It asks about a pcmica card and I don't have one to insert.please any guidance you can give will be greatly appreciated.If you can't help maybe you can give me the proper number to call at IBM for assistance. > > Joe > > In the US, IBM Tech support is 1-800-772-2227. You can then press 1, and your machine type (a 4 digit number). Or for the IBM operator for more specific requests, it's 1-800-426-3333. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 03:18:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118643934; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:18:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19998; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19720; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GRUMPY.USU.EDU (grumpy.usu.edu [129.123.1.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19710; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 03:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slppj.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #11556) id <01IP7EXQMT4G924FBG@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:14:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:20:51 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Dock II 701 adapter To: ThinkPad Mailing list Reply-To: slppj@cc.usu.edu Message-Id: <34519DD3.2682@cc.usu.edu> Organization: USU Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone know a good cheap source for the 701 adapters for the Dock II? I can't find them anywhere anymore, and Onsale auctions has the dock IIs going for $299 so I'm thinking of getting one if I can find the adapter cheap. While I'm at it, has anyone seen the leather cases made especially for the 701s by Port? I don't imagine those sell like hot cakes anymore, somebody probably has some to unload somewhere, but "where" is the question. Greg A. slppj@cc.usu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 04:15:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125817338; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:15:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24205; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:13:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24127; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24105; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id EAA15223; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:19:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Ron Heiby Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Character Set Code Pages In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971024185315.006b6760@popmail.mcs.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Friday, 24th October 1997, Ron Heiby wrote: > I need to specify a sort of "minimal" set of characters to be > represented by any 8-bit bytes. It's pretty clear to me that I want > US-ASCII for the 0x00 through 0x7f values. If the eight-bit constraint didn't apply, I'd recommend the sixteen-bit version of ISO 10646 (a.k.a. Unicode); but since it does, I'd go with ISO 8859-1, which is a superset of ISO 646 (a.k.a. US-ASCII). > I was thinking that there is probably a set of characters in the 0x80 > through 0xff range that is very common to IBM-compatible personal > computers. I'm looking for pointers to information on such a set of > characters (code page), why I would choose one over the others, and what > it/they is/are officially called. ISO 8859-1 is the first of a series of standards (currently numbering ten) of eight-bit character sets published by ISO. The IBM code page equivalent is 819, although it's not usually found in DOS (but there is a freeware 819 code page available - check out the http://www.kostis.de/ site, and look for [I believe] isocp101.zip). Perhaps someone (Paul?) knows if OS/2 uses the same sort of code page information files as DOS does. The North American/western European Windows character set (code page 1252) is a superset of ISO 8859-1; if you remove the characters from 0x80 through 0x9F from code page 1252, you'll have ISO 8859-1. Most UNIX boxes support ISO 8859-1. The Amiga and the Acorn use ISO 8859-1. The first 256 characters of Unicode correspond to those of ISO 8859-1 (Unicode 0x0020 is the 16-bit analogue of ISO 8859-1 0x20, ..., through 0x00FF -> 0xFF.) Note that if you need characters from other regions, one of the other ISO 8859 standards might be a better fit, e.g. if you need to support eastern European text, ISO 8859-2 would be a better choice; for Cyrillic text, ISO 8859-5; for Arabic text, ISO 8859-6; for Greek text, ISO 8859-7; for Hebrew text, ISO 8859-8. All of the ISO 8859 character sets are supersets of ISO 646, so US-ASCII is always available. Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 05:00:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130150007; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 05:00:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01993; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01683; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01670; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA15648; Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:56:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners In-Reply-To: <199710242011.KAA12516@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Friday, 24th October 1997, David Ross wrote: > (1) Will [a Briton] have service problems when he returns to the UK > [with a US machine]? (My impression was that all he has to do is=20 > somehow reregister the machine...?) My guess would be Yes; he'd probably have to purchase a service contract=20 for the UK, presuming that it's offered for a US machine. Of course, that's= =20 only a guess; I don't know for sure. > (2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 > British English setting will reassign some character to the pound -= =20 > but, if it is the US dollar sign, what happens to programs like TeX= =20 > which use this symbol?) Presuming that he only uses Windows 95 on the ThinkPad, the pound sign is always available (in the US/western European character set for Windows ["code page" 1252]) by turning the Num Lock on, holding down an Alt key, entering 0163 on the "numeric keypad" digits (i.e. the keys that substitute for a numeric keypad), and releasing the Alt key (and probably turning the Num Lock off). Alternatively, if the UK English keyboard input locale is installed and active, he could use Shift-3, as if he had a UK machine. Another possibility would be to run the Character Map accessory and doing cut-and-paste from it to wherever he'd need it.=20 If he'd need the pound sign in a DOS session, he'd need to use Alt-156=20 (without the leading zero), which is its position in code pages 437 (US)=20 and 850 (multinational), if not others. Code page 1252 is a superset of ISO 8859-1, so no character needs to be re=E4ssigned to the pound sign; it has its own position. In British seven-bit character sets, it was the US number sign position which got assigned to the pound sign. TeX, I'd guess, would accept whatever glyph is in the dollar sign position, rather than whatever position in which the dollar sign glyph happens to be; it's kind of like seeing yen signs rather than backslashes in some C code written in Japan, since at least one Japanese character set puts the yen sign in the US backslash position.=20 Chris. --=20 Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Oct 25 17:16:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213454160; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:16:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18902; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:12:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18800; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pathway1.pathcom.com (pathway1.pathcom.com [204.191.122.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18788; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yang.pathcom.com (ts25l11.pathcom.com [209.112.17.222]) by pathway1.pathcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27589 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <34525FD6.A1A75F9@pathcom.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 17:08:38 -0400 From: Lenny Zhao X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubsscribe X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please unsubscribe me I hope this work From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 26 08:20:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057662027; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:20:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18447; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:14:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18304; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from bssi.no (indy.bssi.no [195.204.189.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18294; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from no92450 by bssi.no via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI) id OAA02655; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 14:16:17 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971026151530.006b4928@indy.bssi.no> X-Sender: rbm@indy.bssi.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 15:15:30 +0100 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert MacKinnon Subject: Re: question for UK Thinkpad owners In-Reply-To: <199710242011.KAA12516@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:11 24/10/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >(2) How does he get the pound sign? (I assume that the Windows95 British English > setting will reassign some character to the pound - but, if it is the US dollar > sign, what happens to programs like TeX which use this symbol?) In the keyboard control panel, define both the US English _and_ UK English keyboard layouts, and make the US English layout the default layout. When your friend wishes to get the special UK specific key mappings, use Alt-Left Shift key sequence to remap the keyboard (or select it from the Taskbar). Then hitting Shift-3 will produce the UK pound symbol instead of the US octothorp. Hitting Alt-Shift again will revert the keyboard mapping back again. New application instances will always open with the default key layout, in this case US English. I have a 760CD with a US English layout yet using this keyboard remapping method, I can get the Norwegian characters in any application (and, yet, retain my sanity when using telnet to a UNIX system). Rob. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Oct 26 21:32:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA175719538; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:32:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08493; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:23:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08126; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08098; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 21:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts14.loop.net (p05.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.200]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11647 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:22:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710270222.SAA11647@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 97 18:24:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PCMCIA modems Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of any good quality, and OS/2 compatible PCMCIA modems for under $75? Preferably 28.8 or 33.6. I am starting to hate this Home & Away, for all the trouble it's given me, and this is the second one, too. TIA for any suggestions. Also, if anyone can tell me the cheapest place or best experiance they had obtaining a 16 or 32MB memory upgrade for their 701, that'd be great also. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 01:53:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208545234; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:53:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17128; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:51:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17033; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17023; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 01:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.18.124.19] (SoCal56k138.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.38]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id WAA04446 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 1997 22:51:56 -0800 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:17:34 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: TP external 2x cdrom $49 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I stopped by the Creative Computing (parent company of PC and Mac Mall) outlet store in Redondo Beach Calif. and noticed an item of interest to other local ThinkPad owners. IBM part number 66G3358 PCMCIA external 2x CDROM units were in a close out for $49 instead of the box price of $349. Many of these were open boxes, likely customer returns, and my suspicion is that they don't have W95 drivers or some such. The only thing I know for sure is that about a dozen of them were on the shelf. The Creative Computing outlet store is near Hawthorne and Redondo beach blvd west of the 405 (sorry I don't have a phone number). This item, which I don't know the item number of, might also be available via mail or web order, try 1888-420-MALL, or www.macmall.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 05:29:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230678172; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:29:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01501; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:25:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00844; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:25:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from edelweb.fr (edelweb.fr [193.51.12.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00704; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 05:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ben.edelweb.fr (ben.edelweb.fr [193.51.12.62]) by edelweb.fr with ESMTP id LAA27418; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:25:00 +0100 (MET) Received: (from ben@localhost) by ben.edelweb.fr (8.8.5/8.6.6) id LAA20666; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:27:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:27:01 +0100 (MET) From: Ben To: Paul Khoury Cc: thinkpad submissions Subject: Re: Dial Up Networking/Win95/TP701 In-Reply-To: <199710250526.WAA19172@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:32:13 +0200 (MET DST), Ben wrote: > > >I've got a TP701C which I've had for a good while now. > > > >In any case, I have a rather bizzare problem. When I'm using a PC Card > >modem(ANY PC Card modem) and I connect using Windows 95 Dial-Up > >Networking while I'm attached to the power mains, if the power cable > >comes unplugged, the computer shuts off. > > > >Now this happens even if the battery is full, but ONLY while Win95 > >Dial-Up NEtowrking is running--other modem programs don't disconnect me. > >Under FreeBSD, I can run PPP and I have no problems. > > > >Anyone got any suggestions? IBM doesn't seem to want to help. > > > Have you tried contacting Microsoft about it? It could be an I/O conflict > with the APM. Yup--MS tells me that it's a hardware problem and hence IBM's problem. Ben. ____ Ben Samman.................................................ben@edelweb.fr Paris, France Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 13:00:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007675221; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:00:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23039; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:31:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22522; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22403; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA08340 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:31:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:31:33 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Built-in modem on 700C and Trumpet Winsock problem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know someone who has a ThinkPad 700C PS/2 with a built-in (or optional) modem (not PCMCIA). The machine has Windows 3.1 (or maybe 3.11) running. The school provided Trumpet Winsock for student use, and preconfigured it. If I use Terminal and open COM2, I can type AT commands and get OK responses and it starts to dial. If I use Trumpet Winsock, it states that the modem does not reply OK to commands. If I attempt to do a Manual connect, I also cannot get the modem to reply. I've tried AT&F, atz, ate1, atv1 and ati commands to no avail. If you've gotten Trumpet to use the modem, or have word that it will not work, please let me know. "In the last film I ever saw, they kept the change and they told lies." Chris Schumann PS Thanks for the info on powering my microphone. I haven't tried it yet. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 13:53:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015868398; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:53:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28180; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:47:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:45:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27976; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27800; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-3.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.133]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA45778; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:44:45 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971027134330.006bd058@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:43:30 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 27 Oct 1997 Cc: pkhoury@loop.com In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Damark catalog that shows a "Kingmax" 33.6 PCMCIA Type II for $79.99. Lowest $ I've seen yet. Doesn't say anything in the ad about OS2.... BobM Penn State harrisburg >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:24:52 >From: "Paul Khoury" >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >To: "ThinkPad List" >Subject: Re: PCMCIA modems >Message-Id: <199710270222.SAA11647@stevie.loop.com> > >Does anyone know of any good quality, and OS/2 >compatible PCMCIA modems for under $75? Preferably >28.8 or 33.6. I am starting to hate this Home & Away, for all >the trouble it's given me, and this is the second one, too. > >TIA for any suggestions. Also, if anyone can tell me the cheapest place >or best experiance they had obtaining a 16 or 32MB memory upgrade >for their 701, that'd be great also. > >Paul > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 14:20:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022770004; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:20:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00110; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:17:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29914; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29893; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.0/8.8) with SMTP id OAA00089 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:17:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCE2E0.FC0CA4D0@ntmail.tiac.net>; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:02:38 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'ThinkPad List'" , "'Mike Ford'" , "'Paul Khoury'" Subject: RE: PCMCIA IDE adapters Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:02:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >You need to have a good supply of 5V and 12V coming out >of the power supply, but all that the 2.5" drives need is the 5 volt >line. I don't know about the amps, but drives would take a fair amount >of current, because you have the board, servo (to spin up the drive), >voicecoil (that is, the heads), etc., and may require a lot of current. What are the power limits of PCMCIA slots according to the spec? I would be wary of a PCMCIA IDE Interface that did not use an external power supply to power the drive. >The only reason I can think of that the larger drives would consume more power >is because they need to spin a bit faster because of the increased need for a fast >data transfer. BTW, what OSes would this adapter be compatible with? If I was looking for a PCMCIA IDE adapter then I would want the option to use cheaper 3.5" hds which means both +5V and +12V power. Currently with my thinkpad I use a SCSI PCMCIA card and carry around a Zip Drive with AC power supply. This setup is about the same as a IDE 3.5 Drive and I have no problem with it. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 15:45:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051285146; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:45:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06313; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:40:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06005; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05887; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA24120; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:39:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710272039.MAA24120@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Robert Munzenrider" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 12:42:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 27 Oct 1997 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 13:43:30 -0500, Robert Munzenrider wrote: >I have a Damark catalog that shows a "Kingmax" 33.6 PCMCIA Type II for >$79.99. Lowest $ I've seen yet. Doesn't say anything in the ad about >OS2.... > >BobM >Penn State harrisburg > I think I saw that too, but I try to be careful around those companies, because I don't know much about their support, how long they've been around, and especially OS/2 drivers. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 15:50:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052355403; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:50:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06316; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:40:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06038; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05895; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA23923; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:38:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710272038.MAA23923@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "Mike Ford" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 12:40:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: PCMCIA IDE adapters Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:02:37 -0500, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >What are the power limits of PCMCIA slots according to the spec? >I would be wary of a PCMCIA IDE Interface that did not use an external >power supply to power the drive. > You might want to check out http://www.pcmcia.org I think that is the URL for the Personal Computer Memory Card International Association. >If I was looking for a PCMCIA IDE adapter then I would want the option >to use >cheaper 3.5" hds which means both +5V and +12V power. Currently with my >thinkpad I use a SCSI PCMCIA card and carry around a Zip Drive with >AC power supply. This setup is about the same as a IDE 3.5 Drive and I >have >no problem with it. But although the 2.5" drives are slower and costlier, they are obviously more compact, and also spin up faster, and support better power management. The IBM drives will usually spin down on a non-APM machine or interface after about 12 or more hours. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Oct 27 17:02:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA076259752; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:02:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14230; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:56:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13751; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13259; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from drd (ppp-25.shadow.net [209.4.38.45]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05332 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Crashed HD Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:59:56 -0500 Message-Id: <01bce2e0$9b519ce0$LocalHost@drd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BCE2B6.B27B94E0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BCE2B6.B27B94E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GO MARLINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =20 On another note, I boss' hard drive crashed on his clone PC. I've heard = of places that can open up the drive and recover the data. Does anyone = know how I can get in touch with one of these places? =20 Thanks in advance for your help. =20 Geo, out. 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BCE2B6.B27B94E0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 28 20:20:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273348037; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:20:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27333; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:13:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:09:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27160; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27147; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:09:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710290109.UAA27147@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from merlin.netnevada.net [208.218.122.20] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id ACAD4610108; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:09:01 PST8PDT X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 3 (build 198) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:08:47 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: IBM ThinkPad 360CSE $575 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FYI http://mer.shop.ibm.com/shopping/ibmcredit/LEVEL1/THINKPADS/PASSIVE/bud/t262 080f.html ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Oct 28 23:17:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002818658; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:17:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03189; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:09:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:08:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03096; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:08:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03083; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA12117; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:06:24 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA15456; Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:08:42 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199710290408.SAA15456@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: TP deals (was: Re: IBM ThinkPad 360CSE $575 To: merlin@netnevada.net (Vernon Brooks) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 18:08:41 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199710290109.UAA27147@CS.UTK.EDU>; from "Vernon Brooks" at Oct 28, 97 5:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu VB wrote: > http://mer.shop.ibm.com/shopping/ibmcredit/LEVEL1/THINKPADS/PASSIVE/bud/t262 > 080f.html Hah! I'll see you that 360cse, and raise you to a 560E for $1644 (at http://www.usapc.com/note.htm) I think the moral is that there are lots of good TP deals floating around, for those who dare to look:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 30 19:32:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123517921; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:32:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13596; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:30:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13366; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13333; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-b-45.usc.edu [128.125.222.45]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id QAA19874 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:24:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971030154956.006fad0c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:25:38 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Attention all 701 "Butterfly" owners: Emanuel Brown and I have worked out an arrangement with PEP where they will do this CPU upgrade on my 701C machine (currently a 486/75 machine with the 720 MB HD and a 16 MB RAM module installed) for a nominal cost. The deal is that I am to run the various "real world" tests & benchmarks on the upgrade machine and report to everyone on the list (and I presume Mr. Brown will report it on his web page as well) for your consumption--so you can see whether the CPU upgrade delivers the significant speed increase that makes it worth your while to pay for the upgrade or not. Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" do you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 users about what constitutes a fair & unbiased test suite that would give you the information necessary to make a judgement about whether PEP's CPU upgrade delivers the goods or not. Until we have that consensus, there is no point to my taking up PEP's time and money to do this--you have to be "on board" as it were, concerning the fairness and accuracy of the tests' results in the real world. I offer my own skeptical and unbiased independence in performing them, but I await your collective decision regarding *what* tests should be run. Ideally, I want this settled so I can run the tests on the current "stock" machine before I send it in for the upgrade--so you have a true "before & after" set of test results. I await your decision... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 30 20:01:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128879698; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:01:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14652; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:58:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14438; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14426; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id TAA23881; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:57:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:57:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199710310057.TAA23881@spot.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: test message - please ignore Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm just testing the spam filter. sorry to bother you. Keith (list maintainer) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 30 20:08:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129770138; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:08:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15093; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:05:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14943; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14932; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:05:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts04.loop.net (p17.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.152]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA11342; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:39:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710310039.QAA11342@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 16:41:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:25:38 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >Attention all 701 "Butterfly" owners: > >Emanuel Brown and I have worked out an arrangement with PEP where they will >do this CPU upgrade on my 701C machine (currently a 486/75 machine with the >720 MB HD and a 16 MB RAM module installed) for a nominal cost. > >The deal is that I am to run the various "real world" tests & benchmarks on >the upgrade machine and report to everyone on the list (and I presume Mr. >Brown will report it on his web page as well) for your consumption--so you >can see whether the CPU upgrade delivers the significant speed increase >that makes it worth your while to pay for the upgrade or not. > >Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" do >you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 users >about what constitutes a fair & unbiased test suite that would give you the >information necessary to make a judgement about whether PEP's CPU upgrade >delivers the goods or not. > >Until we have that consensus, there is no point to my taking up PEP's time >and money to do this--you have to be "on board" as it were, concerning the >fairness and accuracy of the tests' results in the real world. I offer my >own skeptical and unbiased independence in performing them, but I await >your collective decision regarding *what* tests should be run. > >Ideally, I want this settled so I can run the tests on the current "stock" >machine before I send it in for the upgrade--so you have a true "before & >after" set of test results. > >I await your decision... > > If possible, try to do tests on OS/2 Warp 3 or 4, and NT 4.0. Maybe try a test with a DOS game, the PC Mag benchmarks, and the battery test, because we don't know what difference the upgrade will make on the battery life. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Oct 30 21:26:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141424817; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:26:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18227; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:21:46 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18075; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA24142; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16387; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA08369; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:42:08 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:42:08 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971030154956.006fad0c@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" do > you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 users > about what constitutes a fair & unbiased test suite that would give you the > information necessary to make a judgement about whether PEP's CPU upgrade > delivers the goods or not. I would strongly recommend Winbench and Winstone.. www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?code=000fyj as starting points, and also the Byte benchmark at.. www.byte.com/bmark/download.htm. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 00:01:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165444102; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:01:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24097; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:53:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23981; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23962; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-66.usc.edu [128.125.224.138]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA29589; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:52:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971030205348.00e2348c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:53:56 -0800 To: Steve Parker From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Cc: TP List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:42 PM 10/30/97 -0800, Steve Parker wrote: >On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" do >> you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 users >> about what constitutes a fair & unbiased test suite that would give you the >> information necessary to make a judgement about whether PEP's CPU upgrade >> delivers the goods or not. > > I would strongly recommend Winbench and Winstone.. > >www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?code=000fyj > >as starting points, and also the Byte benchmark at.. > >www.byte.com/bmark/download.htm. Are these mega-huge? I know some benchmark got so big it has to be distributed on CD-ROM. FYI--everyone on the list--The only bechmarks that will be done (by me, at least) will be in Windows 95 or perhaps the command line (DOS). I do not have OS/2, Linux, or anything else on the machine and I'm not going to put it on. Sorry if that's a bummer for you. I'd also suggest that everyone with a 701 do these benchmarks on their own machines so we can see how much variance there is across machines as we aggregate the results. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 00:26:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169065593; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:26:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25698; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:23:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25475; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25463; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5907 invoked from network); 31 Oct 1997 05:23:07 -0000 Received: from hezron-18.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.148) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 1997 05:23:07 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:22:41 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <345a3437.7788332@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199710310039.QAA11342@stevie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199710310039.QAA11342@stevie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Oct 97 16:41:52 , you wrote: >On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 16:25:38 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >>Attention all 701 "Butterfly" owners: >> >>Emanuel Brown and I have worked out an arrangement with PEP where they = will >>do this CPU upgrade on my 701C machine (currently a 486/75 machine with= the >>720 MB HD and a 16 MB RAM module installed) for a nominal cost. >> >>The deal is that I am to run the various "real world" tests & = benchmarks on >>the upgrade machine and report to everyone on the list (and I presume = Mr. >>Brown will report it on his web page as well) for your consumption--so = you >>can see whether the CPU upgrade delivers the significant speed increase >>that makes it worth your while to pay for the upgrade or not. >> >>Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" = do >>you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 = users >>about what constitutes a fair & unbiased test suite that would give you= the >>information necessary to make a judgement about whether PEP's CPU = upgrade >>delivers the goods or not. >If possible, try to do tests on OS/2 Warp 3 or 4, and NT 4.0. Maybe >try a test with a DOS game, the PC Mag benchmarks, and the battery >test, because we don't know what difference the upgrade will make on the= battery >life. I'm glad to see this, since I'm interested in the results. I'd be glad to posts the results on the IBM page of my web site, and I think a summary ought to go to comp.sys.laptops, since this is a frequent =46AQ there as well (processor upgrades in general, rather than just the 701). As for the tests Paul suggests, my own copy of the PCMag benchmarks is on CD, and since it's incredibly large I think that's the only format they're available in. Running them would require using an external CD-ROM which could bias the results. I think it's a good suite, though, so if anyone disagrees and thinks it wouldn't heard, cool. As for a DOS game, while I've played DOOM on a 701C for over a year, it's my recollection that the replacement chip (AMD or Cyrix) don't handle FPU-intensive tasks very well. So that could be seen as stacking the deck against PEP. There is the Windows Magazine program WinBench - I've recommended it on my site because it's relatively small and simple to use, and reasonably comprehensive. It's no where near as intense as PC Mag's (I often feel pangs of sympathy for system's I've put through this), but the figures are unbiased. I'd say WinBench is good at assessing a system's specs and capabilities, while the ZDNet program shows that and precisely how much the unit can take under a heavy workload. My two cents, epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM 510CS From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 00:34:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA170246065; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:34:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26108; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:30:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25954; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25936; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA09162; Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:31:52 -0800 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:31:51 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971030205348.00e2348c@rcf.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 05:42 PM 10/30/97 -0800, Steve Parker wrote: > Are these mega-huge? I know some benchmark got so big it has to be > distributed on CD-ROM. Winstone 97 is 132MB and only comes on a CD. Winbench comes on a CD, though you can get a stripped down 4MB version. The Byte benchmarks are under 100K. I used to use Doom to benchmark '486 class systems, and use Quake to benchmark Pentium class and higher systems. Please run ctcm if you get a chance. I'd appreciate it. It can tell you quite a bit about the internal workings of a system. Winbench - 4MB: ftp://ftp.zdnet.com/pub/zdbop/winbench/wb97.exe Wintune - : http://www.winmag.com/software/wt95.htm ctcm - 36K: http://www.tomshardware.com/ctcm.html Many other benchmarks and links to benchmarks at: http://www.tomshardware.com/performance.html Other than those I mainly deal with subsystem specific benchmarks. I will be happy to provide Web storage space on my humble page for the results if needed/wanted. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 04:37:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201290633; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:37:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05360; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:28:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05172; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from HME1-1.pop3.sprint.ca (HME1-1.pop3.sprint.ca [207.107.250.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05160; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (SPC-ISP-CAL-UAS-1-15.sprint.ca [209.103.8.15]) by HME1-1.pop3.sprint.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id EAA23121 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:28:17 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "David Crombie" From: "David Crombie" To: Subject: cd rom drivers Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:37:58 -0700 Message-Id: <01bce5ae$623bfce0$0100007f@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 365XD and am trying to create mp3 audio files direct from CD's . 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Ask for SH0555 > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 10:51:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257673085; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:51:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24456; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:44:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24180; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24141; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-13.usc.edu [128.125.224.13]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id HAA25269; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:43:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971031072619.00e27fe4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:44:39 -0800 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:22 AM 10/31/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: > As for the tests Paul suggests, my own copy of the PCMag benchmarks >is on CD, and since it's incredibly large I think that's the only >format they're available in. Running them would require using an >external CD-ROM which could bias the results. I think it's a good >suite, though, so if anyone disagrees and thinks it wouldn't heard, >cool. I don't mind doing a test that requires a CD, but as you were saying, I think that would have the effect of skewing the test somewhat. I have only 2 options for running the test from a CD. (1) I have an Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card I can use to run a Pioneer 6-disc changer that has a native speed of 4x. (2) I have a 4x CD drive by "Backpack" that connects to the parallel port. I'd think that the SCSI route would be best, but that 6-disc changer is rather quirky--I don't even use it anymore because it's sort of awkward (i.e. when you first boot up, it goes through *every* disc in the magazine even if there is no disc--its time consuming and annoying--frankly, when I need a CD drive, I find the parallel-based Backpack drive a hell of a lot more convenient). List consensus on which I should use? Also, I'll need to get this CD from someone--I don't have it. Emanuel, would you be kind enough to compile a "short list" of the benchmarks that you and the list think should be done and the locations >from where they can be retrieved? And would everyone run these on their 701's and report the results to Emanuel for compilation & aggregation of the results? I've heard some suggestions of the benchmarks to be used--and that's great--I'm just looking for a definitive consensus among the group. I don't want to go through all this and find out a bunch of people are complaining that I used the wrong test and the results are biased... > As for a DOS game, while I've played DOOM on a 701C for over a >year, it's my recollection that the replacement chip (AMD or Cyrix) >don't handle FPU-intensive tasks very well. So that could be seen as >stacking the deck against PEP. Which chip is it that PEP uses in the replacement? And are you telling me that the FPU performance could actually be *inferior* to the stock 486/75 in my 701C? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 11:14:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262304483; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:14:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25632; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:06:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25498; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (slip129-37-97-102.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.97.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25474; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:06:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id IAA001.78; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:06:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199710311306.IAA001.78@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 08:00:27 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, rwhittle@usa.net Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <177_163_4_878302827> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > >> Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" do > >> you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 users > > FYI--everyone on the list--The only bechmarks that will be done (by me, at > least) will be in Windows 95 or perhaps the command line (DOS). I do not > have OS/2, Linux, or anything else on the machine and I'm not going to put > it on. Sorry if that's a bummer for you. > Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully funnctioning OS/2 system on it which runs everyday, except for those occassions when I run windows '95. It also has a large DB2 database (one table has 997,000 rows). I'm not that far from USC and all that would have to happen is take out your hard drive in put in mine. If you or anyone else is interested in trying out the upgrade on another platform. Actually, I would think that there must be someone in Los Angeles who also has Linux on their ThinkPad. Lee ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ligsystems.com OR laniear@ibm.net || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 12:02:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271697378; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:02:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28611; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:46:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27951; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.trincoll.edu (mail.cc.trincoll.edu [157.252.10.251]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27929; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhowery.pc.trincoll.edu by mail.trincoll.edu with SMTP (8.6.12/20-main-dsc) id LAA00218 ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:46:37 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971031114819.00736b3c@mail.trincoll.edu> X-Sender: dhowery@mail.trincoll.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:48:19 -0500 To: laniear@ibm.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu, rwhittle@usa.net From: David Howery Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP In-Reply-To: <199710311306.IAA001.78@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: >Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully funnctioning OS/2 system >on it which runs everyday, except for those occassions when I run windows '95. It also has >a large DB2 database (one table has 997,000 rows). I'm not that far from USC and all that >would have to happen is take out your hard drive in put in mine. If you or anyone else is >interested in trying out the upgrade on another platform. Actually, I would think that >there must be someone in Los Angeles who also has Linux on their ThinkPad. > >Lee > Please consider this offer. As an OS/2 user I am very interested in the performance of this upgrade under OS/2. As I offered earlier, I would be happy to send you a copy of Clear & Simple's Performance Plus v.4 benchmarks. ********************************************************************* David C. Howery | Department of Biology | Email - david.howery@mail.trincoll.edu Trinity College | Phone - (860) 297-5189 300 Summit Street | FAX - (860) 297-2538 Hartford, CT 06106-3100 | ********************************************************************* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 12:21:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275588484; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:21:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00139; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:16:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29818; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail4.access.digex.net (mail4.access.digex.net [205.197.247.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29804; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail4.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05970 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11803; Fri, 31 Oct 97 10:47:56 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA10691 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:47:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971031114819.00736b3c@mail.trincoll.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, David Howery wrote: > At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: > >Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully > funnctioning OS/2 system > >on it which runs everyday, except for those occassions when I run windows > '95. It also has > >a large DB2 database (one table has 997,000 rows). I'm not that far from > USC and all that > >would have to happen is take out your hard drive in put in mine. If you > > Please consider this offer. As an OS/2 user I am very interested in the > performance of this upgrade under OS/2. As I offered earlier, I would be > happy to send you a copy of Clear & Simple's Performance Plus v.4 benchmarks. I have to agree. I've noticed that Win95 (normal and OSR2) takes a very noticeable performance hit every time there's a disk access (and I have a SCSI hard drive and CDROM). Usually I never notice disk accesses under OS/2 or Linux. So the performance gains under OS/2 or Linux may be significantly different from Win95 since they're more independent of the hard drive. The same goes for Win95 and networking - one network connection hangs and it locks everything else out. You're left twiddling your thumbs waiting for it to timeout. I'll stop now before this starts to become Windows-bashing... -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 13:17:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293321868; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:17:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04667; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:59:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03351; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03127; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:58:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jsokolov.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971031125815.00ccd044@pophost.gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:58:15 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: Re: 560x In-Reply-To: <34480e93.5016566@mail.interport.net> References: <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> <199708252040.NAA23679@norway.it.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just got the latest PC Connection catalog. It lists a 233mhz 560 (2640-70U) with a 13.1" TFT screen, 32MB, and a 4G drive for $4099. Wow! -- Jeff At 09:20 PM 10/17/97 -0400, richard wrote: >from http://www.infoworld.com/cgi-bin/displayStory.pl?971017.enotebook.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 15:03:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014238198; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:03:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10445; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:55:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10210; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:55:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10183; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:54:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12391; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:53:10 -1000 Message-Id: <199710311953.JAA12391@math.hawaii.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: ross@math.hawaii.edu To: rwhittle@usa.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:54:46 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971030154956.006fad0c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randy, As you might be aware, I have some strong opinions on the benchmarking of PCs, in part developed as a result of having performed a similar CPU upgrade on my desktop PC (see www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/cpu.html). Let me preface them by saying that (1) I think its great that PEP is finally doing this (though they probably should have done this a year ago, before many of us just changed to a new system), and (2) despite my skepticism of the price/performance ratio, I think you'll be surprised at how much faster the AMD is at some tasks (I was, on my desktop). Now, for some of my opinions: (1) There are some genuinely useful benchmark resources on the web; I recommend: (a) Intel's very nice site, http://www.intel.com/procs/biz/vol1no1/feature/index.htm (b) the comp.benchmark FAQ (an old version of which is at http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~sagula/bench.FAQ.html) (c) and my favorite, http://www.sysopt.com/bench.html (the FAQ might be available here as well). (2) Specific benchmark, or even operating system, is not as important as running a wide spectrum of benchmarks, from FPU-specific (like whet/dhrystone) and CPU-specific (ZD's CPUmark; Landmark) to systemic (Winstone; Quake FPS). The user can then decide which benchmark is closest to his/her general use, and adjust accordingly for OS. A program like winbench - which measures the components of a system separately - can be misleading, BTW, since the user is probably not as good at mentally integrating the test components as he thinks he is! (3) Winstone: This absolutely should be run, if possible. I don't know whether it actually compensates for CDROM speed (i.e., by only initiating timing *after* the program is read from the CDROM). I have a suspicion that Winstone97, in trying to rework true parallelism, might have to access the CD while doing other tasks. I liked Winstone95, but am very leery of Winstone 97. Still, if possible it *should* be run. (4) Configuration: W95 benchmarks should be run in a couple of configurations: minimal (performance enhancements like caching disabled) and normal (what you usually use). As for graphics, I suggest 256 color instead of hi-color (since many 701 owners have passive matrix). BTW, I believe that the APM features can be used to crank your DX4-75 down to DX2-50 speeds. You might want to do this too, so that DX2-50 701 owners can make a reasonable comparison. (4) Quake and Doom: I like these as tests of the CPU/memory/Video/bus interaction. Don't bother to do both. (5) FPU: You'll find that the AMD performs brilliantly on *any* FPU-intensive test, so you might as well just use the old standards, whetstone and dhrystone (these are included in the Windows Magazine Wintune benchmark [which any W95 user should have anyway, as a system tuneup app], as well as N. Juffa's nice CompTest benchmark). One lister thought it wouldn't do as well on FPU tasks, but in fact the clock-quadrupling more than makes up for the fact that Intel has the fastest FPU microcode. (6) Statistics: If you have a statistics package on your machine (Excel might suffice), do some linear regressions with both small datasets and large ones. The small ones will test the CPU/FPU/memory interaction, while large ones will include disk and cache management. (7) Be careful, take good notes, write you results up carefully, and publish them as an article for which you get paid. No reason to do all this work for free! Plus, then you can deduct the upgrade cost. As an alternative benchmark, my colleague across the hall suggests installing Windows 98 beta, then clicking 'My Computer'. Good Luck! - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 15:33:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021119990; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:33:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12748; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:29:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12569; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12542; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts14.loop.net (p21.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.216]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA20345; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:26:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710312026.MAA20345@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 12:30:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:47:54 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, David Howery wrote: >> At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: >> >Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully >> funnctioning OS/2 system >> >on it which runs everyday, except for those occassions when I run windows >> '95. It also has >> >a large DB2 database (one table has 997,000 rows). I'm not that far from >> USC and all that >> >would have to happen is take out your hard drive in put in mine. If you >> >> Please consider this offer. As an OS/2 user I am very interested in the >> performance of this upgrade under OS/2. As I offered earlier, I would be >> happy to send you a copy of Clear & Simple's Performance Plus v.4 benchmarks. > >I have to agree. I've noticed that Win95 (normal and OSR2) >takes a very noticeable performance hit every time there's a >disk access (and I have a SCSI hard drive and CDROM). Usually >I never notice disk accesses under OS/2 or Linux. So the >performance gains under OS/2 or Linux may be significantly >different from Win95 since they're more independent of the hard >drive. > >The same goes for Win95 and networking - one network connection >hangs and it locks everything else out. You're left twiddling >your thumbs waiting for it to timeout. > >I'll stop now before this starts to become Windows-bashing... >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com > > I think that if we can't have one upgrade, maybe 2 upgrades - someone who's willing to allow their 701 with OS/2 and/or Linux to be upgraded and see the difference. With OS/2, I can imagine there'd be a big difference, but with Linux, well, maybe you could log in faster as root. :-) Just 2 cents in the tray. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 15:47:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024230851; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:47:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13177; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:35:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13009; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12977; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts14.loop.net (p21.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.216]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA20557; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:32:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710312032.MAA20557@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 12:36:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:44:39 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 05:22 AM 10/31/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: >> As for the tests Paul suggests, my own copy of the PCMag benchmarks >>is on CD, and since it's incredibly large I think that's the only >>format they're available in. Running them would require using an >>external CD-ROM which could bias the results. I think it's a good >>suite, though, so if anyone disagrees and thinks it wouldn't heard, >>cool. > > I don't mind doing a test that requires a CD, but as you were saying, I >think that would have the effect of skewing the test somewhat. > > I have only 2 options for running the test from a CD. (1) I have an >Adaptec PCMCIA SCSI card I can use to run a Pioneer 6-disc changer that has >a native speed of 4x. (2) I have a 4x CD drive by "Backpack" that connects >to the parallel port. I'd think that the SCSI route would be best, but >that 6-disc changer is rather quirky--I don't even use it anymore because >it's sort of awkward (i.e. when you first boot up, it goes through *every* >disc in the magazine even if there is no disc--its time consuming and >annoying--frankly, when I need a CD drive, I find the parallel-based >Backpack drive a hell of a lot more convenient). > > List consensus on which I should use? Also, I'll need to get this CD from >someone--I don't have it. > > Emanuel, would you be kind enough to compile a "short list" of the >benchmarks that you and the list think should be done and the locations >from where they can be retrieved? And would everyone run these on their >701's and report the results to Emanuel for compilation & aggregation of >the results? I'd be glad to, if someone has benchmarks programs for OS/2. > > I've heard some suggestions of the benchmarks to be used--and that's >great--I'm just looking for a definitive consensus among the group. I >don't want to go through all this and find out a bunch of people are >complaining that I used the wrong test and the results are biased... > I would be more than happy to run some OS/2 benchmarks on my system. BTW, should disk type be considered, as in FAT16, 32, NTFS, HPFS (which I have), EXT2, etc? >> As for a DOS game, while I've played DOOM on a 701C for over a >>year, it's my recollection that the replacement chip (AMD or Cyrix) >>don't handle FPU-intensive tasks very well. So that could be seen as >>stacking the deck against PEP. > > Which chip is it that PEP uses in the replacement? And are you telling me >that the FPU performance could actually be *inferior* to the stock 486/75 >in my 701C? > I've heard the same too, but I don't know what to compare it too. All I heard as an example is that the Cyrix 6x86-166 compares to around a P90 in FPU, but I don't know about this one. AMD is supposedly better, and has a history of being more reliable. Anyways, don't quote me on this, but I think the upgrade is an AMD586-100. I *think*. But another problem for me is that I might be sending my 701 in for EasyServ, AGAIN, for a faulty keyboard, which will hang, and also a broken mouse. Sheesh. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 17:32:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045137166; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:32:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17792; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:27:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17646; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17634; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id OAA16568; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av2.cadence.com(158.140.128.32) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma878336850.016562; Fri Oct 31 14:27:30 1997 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (sj4a-31.cadence.com [158.140.31.41]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA04183; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:27:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:27:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199710312227.OAA04183@mailhub.Cadence.COM> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: John Kim From: Don Perley Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:47 AM 10/31/97 -0500, John Kim wrote: > >The same goes for Win95 and networking - one network connection >hangs and it locks everything else out. You're left twiddling >your thumbs waiting for it to timeout. Remember that all the time you snooze waiting for a file requester or whatever while something times out under windows won't improve from any hardware fix. Timeouts take time, not CPU power.... in theory anyhow.... can't be sure with microsoft, it might just be a count to a billion loop. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 19:29:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA065204173; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:29:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22046; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:25:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21824; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:25:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21803; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:24:33 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCE61A.D1F27FC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:34:12 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCE61A.D1F27FC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Randal Whittle'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:34:11 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes to PC mag's winstone NO the CD Does NOT effect the results... But you interface might ;-{ The parallel port solution if "polled" will consume cycles even if not being used . I think that version of the Backback supports EPP if not ECP so it should be OK. Note EPP is interrupt driven. ECP simply adds a DMA channel. ...peter.. I can send you Winstone 98 on NOV 18 'ish from VEGAS. OK everyone throw in a quarter ;-} PS this is a while ago but AMD's FPU was very similar to Intels. ---------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Oct 31 19:51:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069395468; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:51:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22859; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:47:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22703; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22690; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA13015; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:48:41 -0800 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:48:41 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: tisol Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP In-Reply-To: <01BCE61A.D1F27FC0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Oct 1997, tisol wrote: > PS this is a while ago but AMD's FPU was very similar to Intels. The AMD and Intel '486 CPU's were basically within 5% of each other at the same clock speeds and multipliers. The 5x86 is basically the same, but supports higher multipliers. The big difference in FPU speeds came about with the Pentium class stuff. In the '386 days the fastest per-clock math-co you could get was the Cyrix '387. Intel didn't really have much of a floating point edge back then. With the '486DX class stuff [ignoring abominations like the '486DLC] Cyrix had a slight edge over Intel for FPU stuff, and AMD was slightly [a few percentage points] behind Intel. Cyrix made the fastest per-clock '5x86, but AMD's can be pushed to higher clock rates. Some have been pushed as high as 160MHz. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================