From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 1 01:10:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA118764647; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:10:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01033; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:09:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00872; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00860; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts04.loop.net (p07.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.142]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24217; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:07:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711010607.WAA24217@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Don Perley" , "John Kim" Cc: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 22:10:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:27:25 -0800 (PST), Don Perley wrote: >At 10:47 AM 10/31/97 -0500, John Kim wrote: > >> >>The same goes for Win95 and networking - one network connection >>hangs and it locks everything else out. You're left twiddling >>your thumbs waiting for it to timeout. > >Remember that all the time you snooze waiting for a file requester or whatever >while something times out under windows won't improve from any hardware fix. >Timeouts take time, not CPU power.... in theory anyhow.... can't be sure >with microsoft, it might just be a count to a billion loop. > With Microsoft, *anything* like that is possible. That's the whole reason right there I switched to OS/2, and also Linux (among other new reasons). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 1 01:17:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119555048; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:17:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01263; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:16:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01193; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:16:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01181; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 01:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts04.loop.net (p07.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.142]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24650; Fri, 31 Oct 1997 22:11:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711010611.WAA24650@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "tisol" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 22:14:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:34:11 -0800, tisol wrote: >Yes to PC mag's winstone >NO the CD Does NOT effect the results... >But you interface might ;-{ >The parallel port solution if "polled" will consume >cycles even if not being used . Aren't there options to not allow it to poll, but be strictly interuppt driven? >I think that version of the Backback supports EPP if not ECP so it >should be OK. >Note EPP is interrupt driven. ECP simply adds a DMA channel. >...peter.. > So, if ECP has a DMA channel, than wouldn't that sort of be better in a ways because DMA allows direct access to a device, rather than through the CPI (if my memory serves me right)? >I can send you Winstone 98 on NOV 18 'ish from VEGAS. >OK everyone throw in a quarter ;-} > >PS this is a while ago but AMD's FPU was very similar to Intels. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 1 15:30:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232576258; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:30:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24883; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:26:21 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24567; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:26:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA05179; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24230; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-12.usc.edu [128.125.223.156]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id MAA03357; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:17:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971101114045.00e33334@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:18:32 -0800 To: David Howery From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Cc: laniear@ibm.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:48 AM 10/31/97 -0500, David Howery wrote: >At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: >>Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully >funnctioning OS/2 system >>on it which runs everyday, except for those occassions when I run windows >'95. It also has >>a large DB2 database (one table has 997,000 rows). I'm not that far from >USC and all that >>would have to happen is take out your hard drive in put in mine. If you >or anyone else is >>interested in trying out the upgrade on another platform. Actually, I >would think that >>there must be someone in Los Angeles who also has Linux on their ThinkPad. >> >>Lee >> >Please consider this offer. As an OS/2 user I am very interested in the >performance of this upgrade under OS/2. As I offered earlier, I would be >happy to send you a copy of Clear & Simple's Performance Plus v.4 benchmarks. Lee says he is here (or near) L.A., so I'm okay with it. For the sake of ease & simplicity, I just ask that he run it on his own system (and perhaps everyone who has OS/2 does that too so an aggregate of the results can be had) for the "before" so that we only have to get together once with the upgraded machine to do the "after". I'd suggest that you work with him directly to get the appropriate test suite (OS/2-based) to him (and/or that you come up with a consensus from the list that this is a fair & appropriate test). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 1 15:40:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233136840; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:40:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24888; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:25:57 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24525; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA05166; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24184; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-12.usc.edu [128.125.223.156]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id MAA03352; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:17:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971101113623.00e29394@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:18:30 -0800 To: laniear@ibm.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: >> >On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Randal Whittle wrote: >> > >> >> Now here's the problem that needs to be solved: What suite of "tests" do >> >> you want me to run? I would like to see a consensus among the 701 users > >> >> FYI--everyone on the list--The only bechmarks that will be done (by me, at >> least) will be in Windows 95 or perhaps the command line (DOS). I do not >> have OS/2, Linux, or anything else on the machine and I'm not going to put >> it on. Sorry if that's a bummer for you. >> > >Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully funnctioning OS/2 system >on it which runs everyday, except for those occassions when I run windows '95. It also has >a large DB2 database (one table has 997,000 rows). I'm not that far from USC and all that >would have to happen is take out your hard drive in put in mine. If you or anyone else is >interested in trying out the upgrade on another platform. Actually, I would think that >there must be someone in Los Angeles who also has Linux on their ThinkPad. > >Lee I think that's a great solution. For simplicity's sake, if you would put whatever benchmark tests you want done onto the hard drive in advance, run them yourself on your stock machine, then bring it by after the upgrade is done and run it on mine (by sticking the HD in) and we can run it on my upgraded machine. That's fine with me--as you say, you can do that with your OS/2 HD. If anyone in or near L.A. has a Linux HD and wants to do it, we can do that too. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 2 13:05:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115563927; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:05:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28537; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:00:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28149; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from AST01.ligsystems.com (gw.ligsystems.com [205.147.21.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28130; Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by AST01.ligsystems.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.0/2.12um) id SAA002.11; Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:54:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199711012354.SAA002.11@AST01.ligsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 97 18:44:54 -0800 From: laniear@ibm.net To: rwhittle@usa.net, David.Howery@mail.cc.trincoll.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <210_179_4_878427894> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David, Randall I think we've got a plan. David mail me the benchmark's and I'll run them to get a base line and then Randall and I can arrange getting together, after his upgrade, and we'll use my drive on his 701C. I'm interested in the performance increase even though I've kind of decided to get another ThinkPad (maybe a 760). I just really like the weight (or lack thereof) and size of the 701. Lee > At 11:48 AM 10/31/97 -0500, David Howery wrote: > >At 08:00 AM 10/31/97 -0800, laniear@ibm.net wrote: > >>Well, if you wanted to test OS/2 I have a hard drive with a fully > >funnctioning OS/2 system > >> > >Please consider this offer. As an OS/2 user I am very interested in the > >performance of this upgrade under OS/2. As I offered earlier, I would be > >happy to send you a copy of Clear & Simple's Performance Plus v.4 benchmarks. > > Lee says he is here (or near) L.A., so I'm okay with it. For the sake of > ease & simplicity, I just ask that he run it on his own system (and perhaps > everyone who has OS/2 does that too so an aggregate of the results can be > had) for the "before" so that we only have to get together once with the > upgraded machine to do the "after". > > I'd suggest that you work with him directly to get the appropriate test > suite (OS/2-based) to him (and/or that you come up with a consensus from > the list that this is a fair & appropriate test). > > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > ||----------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ligsystems.com OR laniear@ibm.net || || || ||----------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 12:07:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015496828; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 12:07:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27648; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:51:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27179; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27117; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA30238 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:51:44 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCE84F.22E6E930@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:53:44 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:51:30 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 10 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Wouldn't it be nice if the AMD 586 could be run at 125 or (overclocked) at 150 Mhz?... PEP, are you listening... Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 14:25:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039135136; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:25:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09028; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08553; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08536; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-112-189.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.112.189]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA189888 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:16:41 GMT Message-Id: <345E22E3.8E8F1DCD@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:15:47 -0500 From: Friedrich Huebler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 380: 80MB = 75MB? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently upgraded the RAM on my ThinkPad 380 from 16MB to 80MB. When booting up the computer, the correct amount of 81,536 KB of RAM is reported. However, in Windows 95, when I right-click on "My Computer" and select "Properties", only 75MB of RAM are reported. What happened to the remaining 5MB of RAM? Thanks for your help. Friedrich Huebler huebler@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 14:34:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040225653; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:34:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08982; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08589; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08564; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-112-189.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.112.189]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA188608 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:17:05 GMT Message-Id: <345E232C.7BE0BB89@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:17:00 -0500 From: Friedrich Huebler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 380: Choppy MIDI Sound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On my ThinkPad 380 with Windows 95, MIDI files are played with constant variations in the volume. I cannot get a long steady tone, instead the volume will be slightly up and down which makes music appear choppy. To visualize what I mean: instead of "------" I get "-_-_-_". Other sound files, such as WAV or MPEG audio, play just fine. I would appreciate any advice on how to fix this problem. Thank you for your help. Friedrich Huebler huebler@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 14:44:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042106267; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:44:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10189; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:33:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09968; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09796; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23901 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:31:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from eng079050.res-hall.nwu.edu(209.100.79.50) by merle.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma022074; Mon, 3 Nov 97 13:29:51 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971103132713.008598e0@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: jcl757@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:27:13 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jason Lin Subject: re: cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know there has recently been a lot of discussion about upgrading their Thinkpad 701. I have a question related to the cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops in general. I have noticed that many people, including some on this list, seem to be enthralled with buying the newest and unfortunately, most expensive laptops. (Note: I am not making any value judgements!!!) I am just wondering if this is necessary and what is the rationale behind doing so. For example, is it really worth it to spend $1000 to $2000 more for a P166MMX machine vs. a P133 machine? Consequently, it also seems like a good many people want to upgrade their computer because they are unwilling to part with their computer which had originally bought at such a high price which has now greatly depreciated. Why not prevent oneself from falling into the upgrade temptation by buying a lower end model. I've gone through quite a few computers in the past couple of years. My strategy has always been to buy a lower end model at a bargain price, use it for a while, and then part with it at a minimal or no loss. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 14:50:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042916618; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:50:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10550; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:39:21 -0500 Received: from kenner.cs.utk.edu (KENNER.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10181; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by kenner.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA15865; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07603; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-b-50.usc.edu [128.125.222.50]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id KAA03783; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:59:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971103105951.00e38d14@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:00:13 -0800 To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Cc: TP List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:11 AM 11/3/97 -0800, Mitchell Yee wrote: > A couple of offers: > > 1. I use a statistical analysis and reporting package called SAS. Actually, that's *the* stats package--I know of it, but I've never used it. > Randall, if you're interested and willing, I'll be happy to ship you > a hard drive with W95B and SAS loaded. You can then run a few > analysis programs on a small database, then a large database, then > ship the disk back to me - I'll cover the shipping costs. Don't worry > about the disk - it's a spare... If you include the benchmarks you want me to run *on* the disk too, that would be useful. You'll also need to send along a page of "instructions" concerning what you want me to do as far as running the datasets through SAS. I am completely unfamiliar with its use. And I presume you'll just run it on your machine first, then send it to me after I get the upgrade done on my 701? Mitchell, would you be kind enough to pull together the *definitive* set of benchmarks that I should be running? There have been a whole host of suggestions, and right now the only thing I would definitely say I'll plan on doing is Winbench (stripped down version at 4 MB) & Wintune--perhaps Winstone, but I don't like the idea of going through that big CD-ROM with its possible overhead (I would also have to *get* the CD-ROM from someone, as well as the one for Winbench if the full version is desired). I just want to know that everyone can agree on which test(s) will provide them the picture they need to make a judgement about the upgrade's performance. I also don't want to have a veritable *crapload* of different benchmarks clogging up the works--lets keep it to 2 or 3, please (plus whatever ones the OS/2 folks want--and perhaps your SAS statistics test--that's actually a good indicator since statistical functions can be a good indicator of processor speed). I also want to avoid wasting time on anything that is sub-system specific--lets just see (1) how fast CPU-intensive chores are compared to the "norm" and (2) how much more speed you can expect from everyday chores (a big document in Word, a big spreadsheet in Excel, etc.). There's no sense in trying to see how fast the Hard Drive is, etc.--Just the CPU and how the whole system performs with the new CPU. > 2. I'll be happy to collect and tabulate and produce a Web/text page > with any benchmarks reports that are sent to me, perhaps in > collaboration with ??? In collaboration with Emanuel Brown would be great. I'll E-mail all results to both of you for putting together, etc. > Here's a suggested list of data points to collect when reporting > benchmarks. Since this is just a start, suggestions and changes are > welcome: > > 1. Machine model and type: 2640-4UG > 2. CPU: 486DX75 > 3. Hard drive size: 2.1 GB Just have the stock 720 HD in the 701. > 4. RAM size: 24 MB > 5. BIOS version: something like BTU03 > > 6. OS (version): Win95B (OSR2) It'll have to be "normal" Win 95. > 7. Disk system: FAT32 It'll have to be FAT16. > 8. Video settings: 256 colors > 9. Virtual disk settings: 64 MB (fixed) May not have this much space to work with, but I'll see what I can do. > 10. Special machine configuration: -none- > > > 11. Benchmark test: Wintune > 11a. Report: xxxxxx > > 12. Benchmark test: Winbench > 12a. Report: xxxxxx I get the idea... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 15:28:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049648908; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:28:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12751; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:21:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:18:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12522; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12508; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00103; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:16:47 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29745; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:19:12 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711032019.KAA29745@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP To: ttrottier@shl.com (TROTTIER, Tom) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 10:19:12 HST Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "TROTTIER, Tom" at Nov 3, 97 11:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Wouldn't it be nice if the AMD 586 could be run at 125 or (overclocked) > at 150 Mhz?... This is a function of the system board, not the chip. I run this chip overclocked to 160mhz on my desktop. This means cranking up the system board to 40 mhz. As it happens, my MB/controllers/memory are all happy with this, but I expect that the TP701 components would *not* be (especially the sound and internal modem). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 15:38:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA050789532; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:38:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13350; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13033; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13008; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:25:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00132; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:23:50 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29759; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:26:14 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711032026.KAA29759@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: re: cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops To: jasonlin@nwu.edu (Jason Lin) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 10:26:14 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971103132713.008598e0@merle.acns.nwu.edu>; from "Jason Lin" at Nov 3, 97 1:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think this is exactly what the would-be upgraders are wondering - namely, whether it would be more cost-effective to upgrade their old machines for $400 or so rather than spend $1300 on a P133 TP560 (or $850 on the P100 version). I doubt there are many people for whom the tradeoff is the latest model 560E vs. the upgrade. Also, some people (myself included) love the TP701 form factor, and would prefer a faster machine in that box than even a P133 in a TP560 box. Even though I myself moved to the 560, I still miss my 701. > > I know there has recently been a lot of discussion about upgrading their > Thinkpad 701. I have a question related to the cost effectiveness of > upgrading laptops in general. > > I have noticed that many people, including some on this list, seem to be > enthralled with buying the newest and unfortunately, most expensive > laptops. (Note: I am not making any value judgements!!!) I am just > wondering if this is necessary and what is the rationale behind doing so. > For example, is it really worth it to spend $1000 to $2000 more for a > P166MMX machine vs. a P133 machine? Consequently, it also seems like a > good many people want to upgrade their computer because they are unwilling > to part with their computer which had originally bought at such a high > price which has now greatly depreciated. > > Why not prevent oneself from falling into the upgrade temptation by buying > a lower end model. I've gone through quite a few computers in the past > couple of years. My strategy has always been to buy a lower end model at a > bargain price, use it for a while, and then part with it at a minimal or no > loss. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 16:53:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064303987; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:53:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17692; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:37:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17343; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:37:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17293; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA22790 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:36:54 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCE876.F986D780@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:38:54 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:40:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 25 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >---------- >From: ross@math.hawaii.edu[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >Sent: 1997 November 03 - Monday 05:19 >To: ttrottier@shl.com >Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu >Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP > >> Wouldn't it be nice if the AMD 586 could be run at 125 or (overclocked) >> at 150 Mhz?... > >This is a function of the system board, not the chip. I run this chip >overclocked to 160mhz on my desktop. This means cranking up the system >board to 40 mhz. As it happens, my MB/controllers/memory are all happy >with this, but I expect that the TP701 components would *not* be (especially >the sound and internal modem). > >- David > I think that some chips can have their degree of overclocking determined by some pin signal or other such thing. So your 4X overclocking might be able to be reduced to 3X or 4X, or increased to 5X or 6X, depending on how the chip was designed -- and how hot it would get. This would allow placing a 150 Mhz chip as 3X in a 50 Mhz board, or 5X in a 30 Mhz >clocked board. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 16:53:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064323988; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:53:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17755; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:40:26 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17554; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:40:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA19092; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16706; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27914 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 15:05:23 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCE875.936579D0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:28:54 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:28:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 59 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Haven't upgraded to the 560 - I expect to keep my 701 for a while. I agree with you about the form factor - the 701 is lovely. I've used it in interviews & meetings, keeping it on my lap, and it's nicely inconspicuous. The black colour helps, too. One problem I've had lately, tho it seems to have subsided since I gave the keyboard a good vacuuming, is some kind of spurious trackpoint button signals, resulting in the right button menu appearing at odd times. Solutions, anyone? Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect SHL Systemhouse Ltd. Ottawa Global Development Centre *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax 232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com >---------- >From: ross@math.hawaii.edu[SMTP:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >Sent: 1997 November 03 - Monday 05:26 >To: jasonlin@nwu.edu >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: re: cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops > >I think this is exactly what the would-be upgraders are wondering - namely, >whether it would be more cost-effective to upgrade their old machines >for $400 or so rather than spend $1300 on a P133 TP560 (or $850 on >the P100 version). I doubt there are many people for whom the tradeoff is >the >latest model 560E vs. the upgrade. > >Also, some people (myself included) love the TP701 form factor, and would >prefer >a faster machine in that box than even a P133 in a TP560 box. Even though I >myself moved to the 560, I still miss my 701. > >> >> I know there has recently been a lot of discussion about upgrading their >> Thinkpad 701. I have a question related to the cost effectiveness of >> upgrading laptops in general. >> >> I have noticed that many people, including some on this list, seem to be >> enthralled with buying the newest and unfortunately, most expensive >> laptops. (Note: I am not making any value judgements!!!) I am just >> wondering if this is necessary and what is the rationale behind doing so. >> For example, is it really worth it to spend $1000 to $2000 more for a >> P166MMX machine vs. a P133 machine? Consequently, it also seems like a >> good many people want to upgrade their computer because they are unwilling >> to part with their computer which had originally bought at such a high >> price which has now greatly depreciated. >> >> Why not prevent oneself from falling into the upgrade temptation by buying >> a lower end model. I've gone through quite a few computers in the past >> couple of years. My strategy has always been to buy a lower end model at a >> bargain price, use it for a while, and then part with it at a minimal or no >> loss. >> >> > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 17:03:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066014613; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:03:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18647; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:56:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:53:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18365; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18352; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00688; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:51:53 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA29878; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 11:54:18 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711032154.LAA29878@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP To: ttrottier@shl.com (TROTTIER, Tom) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 11:54:18 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "TROTTIER, Tom" at Nov 3, 97 4:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >> Wouldn't it be nice if the AMD 586 could be run at 125 or (overclocked) > >> at 150 Mhz?... > > > >This is a function of the system board, not the chip. I run this chip > > > I think that some chips can have their degree of overclocking determined > by some pin signal or other such thing. So your 4X overclocking might be > able to be reduced to 3X or 4X, or increased to 5X or 6X, depending on > how the chip was designed -- and how hot it would get. This would allow > placing a 150 Mhz chip as 3X in a 50 Mhz board, or 5X in a 30 Mhz > >clocked board. > The AMD chip *does* pick up a pin signal from the, but this signal only tells the chip whether to internally double, triple, or quadruple. (Interestingly, on this chip the signal which would say 'double' to an Intel chip is the 'quadruple' command.) However, this 4x is *not* overclocking - this is the *usual* way to run the AMD586. The only way to up the speed to over 100mhz on the 25mhz TP701 would be to step up the 701's MB speed. I've never heard of a chip which could be 'overclocked' by somehow upping the internal clock multiplier to an unsupported multiple (like 6x). Doesn't mean they don't exist, but I *have* done a lot of homework on this. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 18:59:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087061568; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:59:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25573; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:49:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25281; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25268; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id SAA20026; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:49:29 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711032349.SAA20026@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ X-Pgp-Key: 2F07A741 ; 78 15 8E 8B C0 06 5D D1 BC 08 05 7F 42 81 7E 90 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: comment from someone who unsubscribed Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu From: Keith Moore Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 18:49:29 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got this comment from someone who asked to unsubscribe... and thought it was worth forwarding to the list. > I don't know if anyone is reading this or not, but I think you > would have better readership is fewer messages where sent on > the same subject. I must have received 50 or so messages on > upgrading a 701. I have a 701, but after the first ten messages > was no longer interested in reading them. > > It seems that the group of about 10 or so people needs a chat > line so they can talk constantly and the rest of us, (hundreds > or thousands) would prefer less traffic, questions posted, then > a summary of the responses posted by the original poster, with > each respondent replying directly to the sender. Or something. > > I have been on the list only a short time, but have seen many > posts asking to unsubscribe. God knows how many unsubscribed in > the proper manner. > > Too much traffic. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 19:05:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087621918; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:05:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26308; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26213; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2.gte.net (mta2.gte.net [207.115.153.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26201; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.129.30]) by mta2.gte.net (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971104000526.BNNM15939@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:05:26 -0600 Received: from denali (1Cust133.tnt17.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.49.133]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id SAA22031 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:05:22 -0600 (CST) Sender: aims@mailsrvcs.net Message-Id: <345E670B.63DA@gte.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:06:35 -0700 From: Bob Angell Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; U; AIX 2) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed References: <199711032349.SAA20026@spot.cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu RE: Letter WRT unsubscribing ... AMEN!! Way too much Noise to Information ratio. I *do* not have a 701 but do have a 755 and 760. I enjoy most of the information, but do not have the desire to wade through all of the chit/chat. Please consider whether what you post will be relevant to the *whole* list. If there are a handful of you interested in the specifics of a 701, please just send private email. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v: 801-583-8544 e: aimsllc@ibm.net / bangell@cs.utah.edu -------------------------------------------------------- http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm -------------------------------------------------------- "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- wich, they would both be with us today!" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 19:10:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088042210; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:10:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26831; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:07:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:06:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26693; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26679; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27449; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:08:10 -0800 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:08:09 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: "TROTTIER, Tom" Cc: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: TP 701 Upgrade by PEP In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: > Wouldn't it be nice if the AMD 586 could be run at 125 or (overclocked) > at 150 Mhz?... > PEP, are you listening... The CPU is only capable of 3x and 4x multipliers. You'd have to ask AMD for more options in that regard. All overclockers can really do is change the bus speeds while living with the designed in multiplier options. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 19:39:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092573986; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:39:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28417; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:32:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28332; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28320; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id QAA03264; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000221A9; Mon, 3 Nov 97 16:32:52 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:26:36 -0800 Message-Id: <000221A9.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Bob Angell Subject: Re[2]: comment from someone who unsubscribed Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.075306878" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.075306878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I have to disagree with the attached comment. All things considered, especially with the state of the Net these days, this list has a remarkably *low* quantity of chit-chat. There are a lot of other newsgroups and liss where the noise and spam make the list virtually useless. Considering that this list isn't even moderated, it's even more surprising that the spammers haven't been shelling us with *cheap thinkpads here* ads or *free money* scams. Yeah, we all would like to see a newsgroup that would just give us useful information about our machine only. But, we also might gain some other insights on our own Thinkpad's idiosyncrasies by hearing about someone lamenting about their machine. If I'm not interested in the subject, I just delete the message before reading it. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed Author: Bob Angell at Internet Date: 11/3/97 5:06 PM RE: Letter WRT unsubscribing ... AMEN!! Way too much Noise to Information ratio. I *do* not have a 701 but do have a 755 and 760. I enjoy most of the information, but do not have the desire to wade through all of the chit/chat. Please consider whether what you post will be relevant to the *whole* list. If there are a handful of you interested in the specifics of a 701, please just send private email. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v: 801-583-8544 e: aimsllc@ibm.net / bangell@cs.utah.edu -------------------------------------------------------- http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm -------------------------------------------------------- "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- wich, they would both be with us today!" --IMA.Boundary.075306878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (198.232.147.17) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00022184; Mon, 3 Nov 97 16:03:56 -0800 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with ESMTP id QAA25542 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:03:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26312; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26213; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2.gte.net (mta2.gte.net [207.115.153.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26201; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.129.30]) by mta2.gte.net (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP id <19971104000526.BNNM15939@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net> for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:05:26 -0600 Received: from denali (1Cust133.tnt17.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.49.133]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id SAA22031 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:05:22 -0600 (CST) Sender: aims@mailsrvcs.net Message-ID: <345E670B.63DA@gte.net> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:06:35 -0700 From: Bob Angell Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; U; AIX 2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed References: <199711032349.SAA20026@spot.cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.075306878-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 19:41:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093404080; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:41:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28568; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:34:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:33:21 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28438; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id TAA20285; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24134; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA08058; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 17:28:04 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971103172058.006cd618@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:20:58 -0600 To: Jason Lin From: Ron Heiby Subject: re: cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971103132713.008598e0@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:27 PM 11/3/97 -0600, Jason Lin wrote: >I have noticed that many people, including some on this list, seem to be >enthralled with buying the newest and unfortunately, most expensive >laptops. Well, apart from being a lot of fun, the most expensive laptops tend to have features that some folks consider "must have". I would love to buy the newest and most powerful ThinkPads available, but really cheap! :-) >For example, is it really worth it to spend $1000 to $2000 more for a >P166MMX machine vs. a P133 machine? I'd say absolutely not. Of course, it kinda depends on how much you value your time. I value mine pretty highly. The thing is, the extra $1-2K typically buys you a lot more than just a few MHz of extra speed. It generally buys (at least) a bigger hard drive, more memory, bigger/better screen, CD-ROM, video capture, etc., stuff like that. >Consequently, it also seems like a >good many people want to upgrade their computer because they are unwilling >to part with their computer which had originally bought at such a high >price which has now greatly depreciated. I've upgraded my TP755CE in two ways. I have upgraded the RAM; first to 24Meg, then to 40Meg. I have upgraded the disk capacity; first to 810Meg, then to 2.1Gig. Oh, yes. I also disabled the Mwave modem and upgraded to a Megahertz PCMCIA dual modem and Ethernet card. Part of the reason I upgraded rather than buying new was the fact that the upgrades I have done cost a small amount, relative to the cost of a whole new computer. Also, with 40Meg and 2.1Gig, I expect this system to be a useful system even after I "replace" it with something better. I'd happily part with this system for a better one. But I haven't seen a ThinkPad come along with a 10.4" TFT display, 2.1Gig of disk, and 40Meg of RAM for under $600. When I replace this puppy, it will be because there is a feature in the new ThinkPad that I "must have". We're getting close, already. I would *really* like an internal CD-ROM and 14" display. But, I am sick to death of being out of IRQs. My next ThinkPad will (I hope) consolidate a bunch of the "slow" devices (keyboard, mouse, serial port, printer port, IrDA port, etc.) onto an internal USB, with USB connectors added to the back "port area". >Why not prevent oneself from falling into the upgrade temptation by buying >a lower end model. I've gone through quite a few computers in the past >couple of years. The process of "going through quite a few computers" takes time. It took me a couple of weeks just to find the time to swap ISA modem cards in my desktop. Although, in some ways, a fun thing to do, it isn't something that I want to do all that often. Back a few years, when I used Multics and UNIX systems, computers were more fun. While still fun at some levels, MS Windows systems are a real pain in the rear. Every time one upgrades anything, no matter how minor, it's a major project. Sometimes, I wonder how people who haven't been doing this as long as I have manage it at all. Don't even get me started on how IE4.0 has screwed up my desktop system and my business partner's desktop *and* laptop systems. (Lucky I didn't install it on my ThinkPad, which is my primary system!) -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 19:51:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095134686; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:51:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29409; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:49:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29320; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29307; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02080; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:47:26 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA29963; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 14:49:54 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711040049.OAA29963@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: TP: cutting down noise To: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 97 14:49:53 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711032349.SAA20026@spot.cs.utk.edu>; from "Keith Moore" at Nov 3, 97 6:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Of the 5 e-lists to which I describe, the TP list is probably the *least* noisy; however, there are ways in which the noise that does exists could be rendered easier to handle (as is done on some other lists): (1) Perhaps the mail list program could automatically prepend the letters TP to the subject line (i.e., TP: 701 and PEP); that way it is immediately recognizable as a TP message to readers. (If the mail list program the administrators are using can't do this easily, then maybe we could all try to adopt it as a posting convention). (2) The actual machine under discussion (if machine-specific) should be mentioned by the poster, maybe in parentheses, e.g. TP:(701) 701 and PEP. (3) If the subject changes noticeably, then the poster who makes the change should indicate this (e.g. TP:(701) overclocking (was: 701 and PEP)). That way, if someone loses interest in a thread, they can just delete all subsequent posts on the same thread without fear of missing anything useful. (I think this was a problem with the latest 701 thread.) I'm guilty of generating a certain amount of the recent noise, so I hereby pledge (a) to follow my guidelines above (including manually implementing (1), if the listowner can't do it easily), (b) to wait at least a day between posts on a thread (unless the poster marks a question 'urgent' and I have a *complete*, *precise* answer at hand), and (c) in my own queries, to request that replies be emailed and I will summarize to the list). I hereby grant permission to all of you to chew me out if I violate my pledge:-) - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 20:07:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098665660; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:07:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00455; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:02:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00333; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00289; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA20494; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:02:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711040102.UAA20494@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP: cutting down noise In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 03 Nov 1997 14:49:53 -1000." <199711040049.OAA29963@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:02:07 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > (2) The actual machine under discussion (if machine-specific) should be > mentioned by the poster, maybe in parentheses, e.g. TP:(701) 701 and PEP. I'll suggest this in the welcome file. > (3) If the subject changes noticeably, then the poster who makes the change > should indicate this (e.g. TP:(701) overclocking (was: 701 and PEP)). This is a good idea for any list. Keith p.s. I'm not going to change the Subject lines. To people who presort mail into list-specific folders, lists that mung Subject are *very* annoying -- they clutter up the folder summary window with the same information on every line. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 21:09:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108549349; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:09:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02963; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:04:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02861; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:04:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02835; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 21:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15801 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 02:03:51 -0000 Received: from kebob-32.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.237) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 02:03:51 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP: cutting down noise Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 02:03:48 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <346a80b8.12857992@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199711040102.UAA20494@spot.cs.utk.edu> In-Reply-To: <199711040102.UAA20494@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:02:07 -0500, you wrote: >> (2) The actual machine under discussion (if machine-specific) should = be >> mentioned by the poster, maybe in parentheses, e.g. TP:(701) 701 = and PEP. This is really a good suggestion. I see no reason for anything else, since I don't view the recent 701 discussion as noise - it's relevant to Thinkpads, and I doubt *any* thread has info covering *every* model. But I can go back and read up on 560s, not that I've got one, and that's an advantage. Of course, having every header say 560 would be great for sorting! As for the TP, I don't get it - *all* of the machines are Thinkpads, it's the Thinkpad Mailing List. The current thread's TP serves no purpose, unless it's for mail filtering, and most of us have worked that out already, haven't we? Simply the model number in the Subject: area should suffice. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 3 23:48:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140608930; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:48:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08581; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:44:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08355; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08321; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-e-39.usc.edu [128.125.222.183]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.4/8.8.4/usc) with SMTP id UAA15701; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 20:44:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971103202544.00e359e4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 20:45:43 -0800 To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Re[2]: comment from someone who unsubscribed Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Bob Angell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I like to add that long ago, this was a 750-specific ThinkPad discussion list. Then some folks with older 700's and 720's poked their noses in, along with TP 500's. As the ThinkPad line expanded, the decision was made that it was best to try to keep everyone together for the sake of critical mass, rather than multiples splinters that wouldn't have that. At any rate, if you don't like it, then go. Not everyone is going to be happy... At 04:26 PM 11/3/97 -0800, Mitchell Yee wrote: > I have to disagree with the attached comment. > > All things considered, especially with the state of the Net these > days, this list has a remarkably *low* quantity of chit-chat. > > There are a lot of other newsgroups and liss where the noise and spam > make the list virtually useless. Considering that this list > isn't even moderated, it's even more surprising that the spammers > haven't been shelling us with *cheap thinkpads here* ads or *free > money* scams. > > Yeah, we all would like to see a newsgroup that would just give us > useful information about our machine only. But, we also might gain > some other insights on our own Thinkpad's idiosyncrasies by hearing > about someone lamenting about their machine. > > If I'm not interested in the subject, I just delete the message > before reading it. > > Mitchell > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed >Author: Bob Angell at Internet >Date: 11/3/97 5:06 PM > > >RE: Letter WRT unsubscribing ... > >AMEN!! Way too much Noise to Information ratio. I *do* not >have a 701 but do have a 755 and 760. I enjoy most of the >information, but do not have the desire to wade through all of >the chit/chat. Please consider whether what you post will be >relevant to the *whole* list. If there are a handful of you >interested in the specifics of a 701, please just send private >email. > >-Bob- >-- > Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant > Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 > v: 801-583-8544 e: aimsllc@ibm.net / bangell@cs.utah.edu > -------------------------------------------------------- > http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm > -------------------------------------------------------- > "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- > wich, they would both be with us today!"Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (198.232.147.17) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP > (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00022184; Mon, 3 Nov 97 16:03:56 >-0800 >Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net >with ESMTP id QAA25542 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 16:03:21 >-0800 (PST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id TAA26312; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:46 -0500 (EST) >Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 >Received: > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id TAA26213; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mta2.gte.net (mta2.gte.net [207.115.153.11]) > by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id TAA26201; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 19:02:03 -0500 (EST) >Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net ([192.168.129.30]) by mta2.gte.net > (Intermail v3.1 117 223) with ESMTP > id <19971104000526.BNNM15939@smtp1.mailsrvcs.net> > for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:05:26 -0600 >Received: from denali (1Cust133.tnt17.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.49.133]) > by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id SAA22031 > for ; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 18:05:22 -0600 (CST) >Sender: aims@mailsrvcs.net >Message-ID: <345E670B.63DA@gte.net> >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 17:06:35 -0700 >From: Bob Angell >Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems >X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; U; AIX 2) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed >References: <199711032349.SAA20026@spot.cs.utk.edu> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 02:23:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA166758198; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:23:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13262; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:19:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13029; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13017; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA13153; Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711040718.XAA13153@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury - server" To: "Jason Lin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 04 Nov 97 00:10:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury - server" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: cost effectiveness of upgrading laptops Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 03 Nov 1997 13:27:13 -0600, Jason Lin wrote: >I know there has recently been a lot of discussion about upgrading their >Thinkpad 701. I have a question related to the cost effectiveness of >upgrading laptops in general. > >I have noticed that many people, including some on this list, seem to be >enthralled with buying the newest and unfortunately, most expensive >laptops. (Note: I am not making any value judgements!!!) I am just >wondering if this is necessary and what is the rationale behind doing so. >For example, is it really worth it to spend $1000 to $2000 more for a >P166MMX machine vs. a P133 machine? Consequently, it also seems like a >good many people want to upgrade their computer because they are unwilling >to part with their computer which had originally bought at such a high >price which has now greatly depreciated. > >Why not prevent oneself from falling into the upgrade temptation by buying >a lower end model. I've gone through quite a few computers in the past >couple of years. My strategy has always been to buy a lower end model at a >bargain price, use it for a while, and then part with it at a minimal or no >loss. > > I understand what you mean Jason, but usually those of us find it hard to part with our machine because of the time we have spent "bonding" to it, and customizing it. For example, I find it hard to part with my 701 (even though I H A T E that dumb Trackwrite keyboard) and just go on to another, considering what I've done with it. I guess for large companies with volume users it would be a better upgrade pattern. Just some spare change. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 05:19:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189148793; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:19:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24106; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:16:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22940; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22802; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:16:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.18.124.21] (SoCal56k144.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.44]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id CAA24264; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 02:16:15 -0800 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711032349.SAA20026@spot.cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 23:40:40 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I just got this comment from someone who asked to unsubscribe... >and thought it was worth forwarding to the list. > >> I don't know if anyone is reading this or not, but I think you >> would have better readership is fewer messages where sent on >> the same subject. I must have received 50 or so messages on >> upgrading a 701. I have a 701, but after the first ten messages >> was no longer interested in reading them. >> >> It seems that the group of about 10 or so people needs a chat >> line so they can talk constantly and the rest of us, (hundreds >> or thousands) would prefer less traffic, questions posted, then >> a summary of the responses posted by the original poster, with >> each respondent replying directly to the sender. Or something. >> >> I have been on the list only a short time, but have seen many >> posts asking to unsubscribe. God knows how many unsubscribed in >> the proper manner. >> >> Too much traffic. Learn to use the delete key for messages on subjects of no interest to you. Learn how to use a message filter to have it occur automatically. Other than a full time moderator, mailing lists will either have a lot of noise of be of so little interest that they are effectively dead. Want to tell me how many very low volume mailing lists you bother to stay subscribed to when changing accounts? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 07:45:18 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209377517; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:45:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02152; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:42:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01977; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01961; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:41:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA14298 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:41:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.16.14]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14294 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:41:52 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971104073749.009a6a10@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 07:37:49 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While I don't mind the posts about machines and problems that I'm not interested in, I would appreciate it if quoting would be a little more selective. It seems that more and more posts are quoting the entire previous post which quoted the entire previous post which quoted... Well, you get my drift. And often once I've scrolled past all of that, there's a only one-line comment, and it's buried somewhere in the middle. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 12:33:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256744825; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:33:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16064; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:12:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14830; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14794; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:11:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15305 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 09:11:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971104091104.007d5cc0@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 09:11:04 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971104073749.009a6a10@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK. Lately I've seen this type of complaining in some of the linux mailing lists and now this one. I've been subscribed to this list for a couple of years now, and it's only been recently that people have REALLY started complaining. Everyone wants other people to help them cut down their so-called "clutter" in their inboxes. Is it just that people are too lazy to delete messages they don't want to read? Yeah, I have a TP755CD, so the 701 upgrade info doesn't pertain to me, but I read a few posts because I was curious. When I decided I didn't want to read the following posts on the thread, I just deleted them. Simple. People remember that these listservs are here for information. What you may not consider valuable information, may be exactly the answer the next guy was looking for. So lets stop all the "the noise is too high" talk and the "trim your headers" messages and just share the information. I have been a lister mostly for the last year or so, because not too many questions reguarding Linux and the 755 have popped up. But I still enjoy the wealth of information that passes through the list. Just because someone unsubscribes because they think there is too much noise is no reason to cut the information flow to the rest of the list. Flame away.... -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 12:46:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260515557; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:45:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17263; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17132; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17109; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA16915 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:38:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:38:56 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann Reply-To: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: clutter In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "If you don't like it, then go" That's far too harsh. What the list covers changes. As you pointed out, Randal, it changed from 750's to ThinkPads in general. It can (and should) change in other ways to remain useful. Here's my other two cents: Keep simple nettiquette in mind. - Trim quoted messages. - If you're asking for opinions (and expect to get more than five or so), offer to collect and summarize. - Remain calm - If something seems wrong (like 200 messages about upgrading a 701) by all means speak up, but please offer suggestions on how to make things better. Common sense and a touch of manners will keep our list useful for a long time. Chris Schumann whizkid@dwave.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 20:01:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059861673; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:01:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09982; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:58:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:56:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09799; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09777; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dach.demon.co.uk ([194.222.61.229]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1019692; 5 Nov 97 0:51 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:50:44 -0000 Message-Id: <01BCE984.D9194C80.chris@dach.demon.co.uk> From: Chris Alba To: "'Keith Moore'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: comment from someone who unsubscribed Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:25:02 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 36 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Here here! Too much model specifics in one maillist. It's got to the point where one deletes more than one reads. Maybe we need model specific groups? Regards, Chris chris@dach.demon.co.uk "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on." Winston Churchill -----Original Message----- From: Keith Moore [SMTP:moore@cs.utk.edu] Sent: Monday, November 03, 1997 11:49 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: comment from someone who unsubscribed I just got this comment from someone who asked to unsubscribe... and thought it was worth forwarding to the list. > I don't know if anyone is reading this or not, but I think you > would have better readership is fewer messages where sent on > the same subject. I must have received 50 or so messages on > upgrading a 701. I have a 701, but after the first ten messages > was no longer interested in reading them. > > It seems that the group of about 10 or so people needs a chat > line so they can talk constantly and the rest of us, (hundreds > or thousands) would prefer less traffic, questions posted, then > a summary of the responses posted by the original poster, with > each respondent replying directly to the sender. Or something. > > I have been on the list only a short time, but have seen many > posts asking to unsubscribe. God knows how many unsubscribed in > the proper manner. > > Too much traffic. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 4 21:29:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074836974; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:29:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12485; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:16:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12295; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12280; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cs.utk.edu by spot.cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA29257; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:16:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711050216.VAA29257@spot.cs.utk.edu> X-Uri: http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/ From: Keith Moore To: Chris Alba Cc: "'Keith Moore'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Nov 1997 00:25:02 GMT." <01BCE984.D9194C80.chris@dach.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:16:27 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Maybe we need model specific groups? if we did that, we'd have to create a new group every month or so.. Keith From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 04:54:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146133640; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:54:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04371; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:46:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04142; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04118; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.67.194.82]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA24528 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:45:26 +0000 Message-Id: <34604077.1AFB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 04:46:31 -0500 From: Dave Fortman Reply-To: x3harley@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all! All this talk about separate lists for all the different TP models is rediculous! And if you don't want to read about machines like the 701, D-E-L-E-T-E!!! It's not that hard to do. Personally, I find the discussion of all the systems fascinating! Where else could you get such a wealth of information on the IBM T-pad? I am suprised to learn that this is a non-moderated list! There is virtually no junk. Everything posted has to do with our computers, not with ways to make money by e-mail. So I don't see what the original poster is complaining about. On a slightly different slant: I see nothing wrong with Paul and a few others posting the majority of the messages. They always have something informative to say. So get off their backs! I for one want to hear what they have to say! Even if it's about the dreaded 701! (I have a 750 mono) To quote Forrest Gump,"That's all I have to say about that!" Dave Fortman x3harley@worldnet.att.net 750P Win95 20mb ram 340mb hd 33,600 modem From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 09:32:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182330377; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:32:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18160; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:25:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17918; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:25:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sginet.com (MAIL.SGINET.COM [207.179.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17905; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from propilot.com [207.179.16.112] by mail.sginet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.02) id A1E3FB0130; Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:25:39 MST7MDT Message-Id: <3460833C.FA05D080@propilot.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:31:25 -0700 From: Don Rich X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: x3harley@worldnet.att.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: comment from someone who unsubscribed References: <34604077.1AFB@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dave Fortman wrote: > Hi all! > > All this talk about separate lists for all the different TP models > is rediculous! And if you don't want to read about machines like the > 701, D-E-L-E-T-E!!! It's not that hard to do. Personally, I find the > discussion of all the systems fascinating! Where else could you get > such a wealth of information on the IBM T-pad? > > I am suprised to learn that this is a non-moderated list! There is > virtually no junk. Everything posted has to do with our computers, > not with ways to make money by e-mail. So I don't see what the original > poster is complaining about. > > On a slightly different slant: I see nothing wrong with Paul and a few > others posting the majority of the messages. They always have something > informative to say. So get off their backs! I for one want to hear > what they have to say! Even if it's about the dreaded 701! (I have a > 750 mono) > > To quote Forrest Gump,"That's all I have to say about that!" > > Dave Fortman > x3harley@worldnet.att.net > 750P > Win95 > 20mb ram > 340mb hd > 33,600 modem > I second the words of Mr Fortman, I find all of this exchange informative. And as he said very little junk .This list works well and needs no changes. I have a 701 but also find interest and sometimes good hints in posts about other models. Thanks Don From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 09:34:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182620473; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:34:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18130; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:22:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17681; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17653; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA149920; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:22:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: F Rodriguez <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Reply-To: MagicFab@bigfoot.com To: Thinkpad list Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: May I suggest? was:comment from someone who unsubscribed In-Reply-To: <34604077.1AFB@worldnet.att.net> Message-Id: Organization: InterActions! - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Let me add my 2c: Not only there is almost no noise on the list, Ive seen posts actually reflecting what people put in their SUBJECT field. Maybe if we all keep the subjects meaningfull it will be easier for those filtering and deleting to live iwth it without wearing off the 'delete' command ;) Fabian A. Rodriguez S. - Sherbrooke, QC, Canada Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs - Research Information Systems (514)695-7920x7027 MagicFab@bigfoot.com - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org - ICQ#1485512 ================================================================================ Visitez le code postal branche completement debile! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 09:42:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184510972; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:42:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18673; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:30:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18493; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18479; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:30:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA153744; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:29:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: F Rodriguez <94251116@callisto.si.usherb.ca> Reply-To: MagicFab@bigfoot.com To: Thinkpad list Subject: QuickCam VC on a Thinkpad? Message-Id: Organization: InterActions! - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody tried the new QuickCam VC with a thinkpad? Any major differences between this cute black cam and the older one? I am trying to find a distributor in Montreal QC Canada, if anyone knows one it would be great to let me know. I use InternetPhone 5 on a TP 365XD with the standard integrated microphone and speaker and it works great (even at 14.4k!). Fabian A. Rodriguez S. - Sherbrooke, QC, Canada Coop @ Merck Frosst Labs - Research Information Systems (514)695-7920x7027 MagicFab@bigfoot.com - http://MagicFab.home.ml.org - ICQ#1485512 ================================================================================ Visitez le code postal branche completement debile! http://j1k2r1.home.ml.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 13:07:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224243262; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:07:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01338; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:57:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01054; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (glyph.cnri.reston.va.us [132.151.1.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01034; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (klm@localhost) by glyph.cnri.reston.va.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA19782; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: glyph.cnri.reston.va.us: klm owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:55:29 -0500 (EST) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@python.org To: Chris Schumann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: clutter In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think chris schumann did one of the best jobs i've seen of expressing useful guidelines for keeping the group useful and on-base. I would like to add a small but possibly useful note - people who are overwhelmed by the traffic can receive the list batched up in a single, digested message, delivered daily, as i do. (A 'help' message to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu may explain how to do this, i'm not sure.) Digests are a major boon - by packaging the day's traffic in a single email message, other email isn't obscured, and often entire conversations are collected together. I would also like to emphasize a point that chris and others have mentioned, concerning a big pet peeve of mine. Everyone should try to trim the messages they cite, if they must cite them at all. Most email interfaces provide some means of editing the citation, and often five to ten lines, plus the identification of the author, are all that is relevant and necessary. Sometimes more may be called for, but there's almost never an excuse for simply pasting in an entire message! If you're going to be posting cited responses to the list, you ought to learn enough about your interface to do so responsibly, and exercise that knowledge! (Sigh. I guess i've had that bottled up for a while...) ken manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us (703) 620-8990 x268 Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 14:44:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242769090; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:44:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07543; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:31:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07375; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07353; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA19161; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:29:08 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05865; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 09:31:37 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711051931.JAA05865@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: TP(clutter) Digestiong the list (was: Re: clutter) To: klm@python.org Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 9:31:36 HST Cc: whizkid@dwave.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "Ken Manheimer" at Nov 5, 97 12:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ken Manheimer wrote: > Digests are a major boon - by packaging the day's traffic in a single > email message, other email isn't obscured, and often entire > conversations are collected together. Digesting can be both a boon and a bust. In addition to what you say, there is also the operational advantage that since undigested listers often answer questions in the same digest in which they're asked, it cuts down on the number of duplicate answers. However, individual messages can't be easily deleted in a digest (unless the digest is 'burst', losing any advantages), and overquoting is trebly annoying in a digest. (I was one one list where the traffic grew to 100 messages/day, of which about 2% were extremely useful to me. Switching to digests helped for a while, until 2-3 posters joined who had the habit of quoting an entire thread, then adding a one-line followup [often just the words "I agree"]. Average digest length exceeded 10K lines! Unbearable. Unfortunately, a few posters on this list are prone to similar overquoting. You know who you are:-) Now I'll shut up. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 20:08:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004508523; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:08:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23039; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:06:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:03:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22755; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhub.nc.com (proxy@mailhub.nc.com [207.88.25.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22721; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from proxy@localhost) by mailhub.nc.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id RAA13029 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:02:57 -0800 Received: from khaki.nc.com(172.19.3.247) by mailhub.nc.com via smap (V2.0) id xma013003; Wed, 5 Nov 97 17:02:30 -0800 Message-Id: <34611685.54308F3D@nc.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:59:49 -0800 From: "George S. Kong" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: clutter References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu my apologies if this is already well-trodden ground (no i haven't read more than 1 or 2 of the zillions of msgs on clutter...) it's very easy to wade thru the clutter if you have appropriate tools. in my case, i use netscape communicator as my mail reader. i have defined a mail filter which automatically moves all the traffic from this list into a separate folder, which i can read when i choose. the messages never appear in my main "in-box" folder, only in my "thinkpad in-box" folder. by clicking on the "subject" tab, i have set up my "thinkpad in-box" folder to sort msgs by subject, so i can quickly zero in on the one or two msgs that i'm interested in among the many that arrive each day. i probably average 1 to 2 minutes a day, and i still see everything i'm interested in. ----------------------------------------------------------------- George S. Kong, Network Computer Inc, george@nc.com, 650-631-4665 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 23:00:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036788810; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:00:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28709; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:51:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28545; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28501; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:51:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 16782 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 03:51:35 -0000 Received: from azathoth-22.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.70) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 03:51:35 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: IBM Thinkpad 560 DSTN display question Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 03:51:35 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34613bb2.8816404@news.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As regular readers know, I just got the above model last weekend. While setting it up, I noticed that there appear to be little blobs on the display. They're only noticeable against a light background, with the screen bright, but they are there, and I haven't seen them on other displays of this type. I've corresponded with one 560 owner who says his is the same, and am curious if this is normal, or if it's an aberration. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 5 23:32:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042200721; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:32:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29890; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:23:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29767; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29749; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (k1.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.225]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.5/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10058 for ; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:23:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3461461E.67B71382@seanet.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:22:54 -0800 From: Stew Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: unsubscribe X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe -- Stewart Martin [Business lawyer in Pacific Northwest Where people don't tan, they rust.] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 6 00:43:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA053975000; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:43:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02861; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:41:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02721; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02708; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00440; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:40:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:40:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711060540.VAA00440@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34613bb2.8816404@news.enteract.com> (epbrown@enteract.com) Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560 DSTN display question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As regular readers know, I just got the above model last weekend. While setting it up, I noticed that there appear to be little blobs on the display. They're only noticeable against a light background, with the screen bright, but they are there, and I haven't seen them on other displays of this type. I've corresponded with one 560 owner who says his is the same, and am curious if this is normal, or if it's an aberration. I had the same thing on my TP560 dstn right out of the box. I have already sent the unit to EasyServe and they replaced the screen but after some months the same problem is occuring. I have done some tests against my bosses machine and have found ( using calipers ) that various points on the keyboard side of the machine are between .5 and 2.0 millimeters higher than his machine. I think something is not seated correctly inside the machine and I am going to send it back again. I think it may have been a batch of them after hearing this from others. I am interested in hearing about other experiences. richardl From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 6 01:10:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058466613; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:10:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03429; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:02:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03320; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.nwnexus.com (smtp3.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03308; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 01:02:24 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from micron (evt-lx101-ip36.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.86]) by smtp3.nwnexus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA11911; Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:02:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971105220059.0080dbd0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:00:59 -0800 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 560 DSTN display question In-Reply-To: <34613bb2.8816404@news.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:51 AM 11/6/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: > As regular readers know, I just got the above model last weekend. >While setting it up, I noticed that there appear to be little blobs on >the display. They're only noticeable against a light background, with >the screen bright, but they are there, and I haven't seen them on >other displays of this type. I've corresponded with one 560 owner who >says his is the same, and am curious if this is normal, or if it's an >aberration. > epbrown I have the same machine and have absolutely nothing resembling little blobs on the display. I would characterize my display as flawless and urge you to try to exchange it if it is unsatisfactory. While I am here, I'll observe that this is actually a low volume mailing list with bursts of increased activity that are due to the members' enthusiasm and willingness to share. It's very educational and remarkably advertisement and flame free. I find little or nothing to complain about. Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 6 14:51:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213455917; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:51:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13077; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:41:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12632; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:41:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12615; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA00780; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:40:00 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06574; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:42:30 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711061942.JAA06574@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP560) DSTN display question To: richardl@ufp.com (Richard Levenberg) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 9:42:30 HST Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711060540.VAA00440@enterprise.ufp.com>; from "Richard Levenberg" at Nov 5, 97 9:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm the other owner EPB referred to. My machine had to go back for service today (bad solder joint, I think) and I appended a note asking them to look at the display. We'll see what they say. BTW, my machine was one of the first off the assembly line in Mexico, so there might have been initial quality control problems. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 6 19:47:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271223625; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:47:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26564; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:39:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26431; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:39:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26419; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26178 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 00:38:55 -0000 Received: from asahel-44.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.222) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 00:38:55 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (TP560) DSTN display question Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:38:53 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3462616b.582211@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199711061942.JAA06574@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <199711061942.JAA06574@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 6 Nov 97 9:42:30 HST, you wrote: >I'm the other owner EPB referred to. My machine had to go back for >service today (bad solder joint, I think) and I appended a note asking >them to look at the display. We'll see what they say. > >BTW, my machine was one of the first off the assembly line in Mexico, so >there might have been initial quality control problems. I didn't want to out you, since it was a private email. I've also called IBM, I'm getting the FedEx box tomorrow. I'm going to *hate* going back to my 510 after a week of being spoiled, though, but "if 'twere done, 'tis best done quickly" and all that. The pushover point was stopping by an Elek-Tek to buy the floppies for creating all those diskettes (can you believe they were *out* of floppies?); I checked out the display model of the 560 (they have them for $1299) and saw the difference. I explained to a salesman, who had a tech there look at it, and he was more upset about the quality than I am!=20 As a point of reference, mine was manufactured Feb 97, in case that's the problem period of manufacture or something. Thanks for the responses, everyone. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 00:57:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022402258; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:57:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05826; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:55:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05673; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05648; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00312; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:55:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:55:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711070555.VAA00312@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711061942.JAA06574@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> (ross@math.hawaii.edu) Subject: Re: (TP560) DSTN display question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu BTW, my machine was one of the first off the assembly line in Mexico, so there might have been initial quality control problems. Mine says made in Mexico as well. Very suspect. I will be sending mine in probably next week. richardl From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 01:01:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022752462; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:01:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06008; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:59:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05922; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05910; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts04.loop.net (p20.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.155]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA10097; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:59:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711070559.VAA10097@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Richard Levenberg" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "epbrown@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 22:51:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP560) DSTN display question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:55:01 -0800 (PST), Richard Levenberg wrote: > BTW, my machine was one of the first off the assembly line in Mexico, so > there might have been initial quality control problems. > >Mine says made in Mexico as well. Very suspect. I will be sending mine >in probably next week. > >richardl > > I think that Mexico must have some serious quality problems. When I first got my 701, the bottom PCMCIA slot was damaged. Now, how often does that happen? Or maybe that the left mouse button on my 355C started going out 3 months after I bought it. It too was made in Mexico. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 01:22:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026303730; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:22:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06477; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:16:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06407; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06395; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA03455; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:14:29 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06915; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:17:00 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711070617.UAA06915@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP560) Where made (was: DSTN display question) To: richardl@ufp.com (Richard Levenberg) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:17:00 HST Cc: ross@math.hawaii.edu, epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711070555.VAA00312@enterprise.ufp.com>; from "Richard Levenberg" at Nov 6, 97 9:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A couple of comments about where/when various Thinkpads are/were made: (1) My TP560 was manufactured 3/97, and I got it directly from IBM as a replacement machine; the rep told me that it was one of the first of a 'minor redesign' of the 560. Other than the 2 gig drive standard, I don't know what else this redesign entailed. I know it was made in Mexico because I have a full shipping record (truck to Texas, another truck to LA, then a boat[!] to Honolulu - apparently a 4 pound machine is too heavy for air freight:-) (2) I expect the previous 560s are also from Mexico; can anyone (dis)confirm? (3) Paul K. made a comment about 701 quality; my 701 was made in Canada, I thought they all were. Incidentally, so far my impression is that the 560 is much better made (if less well thought through) than the 701. My current power problem seems to be a real fluke, and the screens are of course all made in Asia. BTW, for those who appreciate humerous twists of fate, the portable CDROM drive which I bought for my TP arrived about 2 hours after Fedex got my TP this morning. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 01:33:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027894437; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:33:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07044; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:33:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06957; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:33:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06938; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts04.loop.net (p20.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.155]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25839; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:29:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711070629.WAA25839@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Richard Levenberg" Cc: "epbrown@enteract.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 23:24:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP560) Where made (was: DSTN display question) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:17:00 HST, David Ross wrote: >A couple of comments about where/when various Thinkpads are/were made: >(1) My TP560 was manufactured 3/97, and I got it directly from IBM as a > replacement machine; the rep told me that it was one of the first of a > 'minor redesign' of the 560. Other than the 2 gig drive standard, I > don't know what else this redesign entailed. I know it was made in > Mexico because I have a full shipping record (truck to Texas, another > truck to LA, then a boat[!] to Honolulu - apparently a 4 pound machine > is too heavy for air freight:-) >(2) I expect the previous 560s are also from Mexico; can anyone > (dis)confirm? >(3) Paul K. made a comment about 701 quality; my 701 was made in Canada, After looking at IBM's PC Direct catalogs, it said the machine was supposed to be manafactured in Scotland, but it said Mexico. After it was EasyServed in the summer, it said "Assembled in the US of US and non US parts." Maybe because it was repaired by the guys at EasyServ in Tennesee. BTW, does anyone know how to spell "EasyServ"? This is how my last technician spells it, but everyone there has EZServ, EZServe, Easy Serve. Easy Serv, etc. > I thought they all were. Incidentally, so far my impression is that > the 560 is much better made (if less well thought through) than the > 701. My current power problem seems to be a real fluke, and the > screens are of course all made in Asia. > As far as I know, the LCD in the 355 (and probably the 360, too) and the 701 are both made by Sharp in Japan. Actually, the 355C's TFT was assembled in the US. >BTW, for those who appreciate humerous twists of fate, the portable >CDROM drive which I bought for my TP arrived about 2 hours after Fedex >got my TP this morning. What luck. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 01:35:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028124521; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:35:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07215; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:34:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07093; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.nwnexus.com (smtp3.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07081; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 01:34:13 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from micron (evt-lx101-ip13.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.63]) by smtp3.nwnexus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA10699 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:34:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971106223250.007fdc80@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:32:50 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (TP560) Where made (was: DSTN display question) In-Reply-To: <199711070617.UAA06915@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> References: <199711070555.VAA00312@enterprise.ufp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:17 PM 11/6/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >(2) I expect the previous 560s are also from Mexico; can anyone > (dis)confirm? Mine says "made in Mexico" and the SN ends with 96/12. Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 02:33:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037098013; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:33:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08608; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08516; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08504; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from aarau.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036447937; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:17 -0500 Received: by aarau.ai.mit.edu id m0xTitv-000044C (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:19 -0500 (EST) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on 560E X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.92, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A friend of mine is considering a purchase of a 560E, but he wants to know if Linux will work on it; in particular, he wants to know if anyone has managed to get X working. (It has a Trident Cyber 9382 chipset.) I don't have any idea whether it works or not, so I thought I'd ask here. Does anyone know? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 02:54:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039859261; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:54:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09228; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:51:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08988; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vortex.uplanet.com (host-165-3.uplanet.com [204.163.165.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08963; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (ankle.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by vortex.uplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA26259 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:51:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971106235129.008b73b0@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:51:29 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: Linux on 560E In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Don't know about the E specifically, but I did come across a web page once describing linux and X on a 560. At 02:32 AM 11/7/97 -0500, Chris Hanson wrote: >A friend of mine is considering a purchase of a 560E, but he wants to >know if Linux will work on it; in particular, he wants to know if >anyone has managed to get X working. (It has a Trident Cyber 9382 >chipset.) > >I don't have any idea whether it works or not, so I thought I'd ask >here. Does anyone know? > > _____________________________________________________ Dinner is served promptly at eight in the private dining room, those who are tardy do not get fruit cup. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 02:54:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039939273; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:54:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09233; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:51:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08966; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from vortex.uplanet.com (host-165-3.uplanet.com [204.163.165.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08952; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from unkle.uplanet.com (ankle.uplanet.com [204.163.166.202]) by vortex.uplanet.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA26256 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:51:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971106235035.008b7c80@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:50:35 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jesse Montrose Subject: Re: (TP560) Where made (was: DSTN display question) In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971106223250.007fdc80@mail.halcyon.com> References: <199711070617.UAA06915@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> <199711070555.VAA00312@enterprise.ufp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hmm, mine is one of the second round (2gb disks) and says "Made in Japan", serial number starts with 97- At 10:32 PM 11/6/97 -0800, karensw@halcyon.com wrote: >At 08:17 PM 11/6/97 HST, David Ross wrote: > >>(2) I expect the previous 560s are also from Mexico; can anyone >> (dis)confirm? > > >Mine says "made in Mexico" and the SN ends with 96/12. > >Karen > > _____________________________________________________ Dinner is served promptly at eight in the private dining room, those who are tardy do not get fruit cup. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 03:22:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043560924; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:22:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10737; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:19:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10599; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.kemira.com (ns.kemira.com [137.33.254.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10586; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by ns.kemira.com; id KAA17482; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:19:40 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199711070819.KAA17482@ns.kemira.com> Received: from kemira.com(137.33.1.2) by ns.kemira.com via smap (3.2) id xma017446; Fri, 7 Nov 97 10:19:29 +0200 Received: from hkipivdo.fin.kemira.com by hkigw1.fin.kemira.com with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA21677; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:17:51 +0200 From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 10:13:23 +0200 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on 560E X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.39 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >A friend of mine is considering a purchase of a 560E, but he wants to >know if Linux will work on it; in particular, he wants to know if >anyone has managed to get X working. (It has a Trident Cyber 9382 >chipset.) The following page has a working XF86Config for the TP701 and the TP560: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/butterfly/xf86config.html The 560E has 2MB of video RAM (against 1MB for the 560), but it may have the same chipset. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 04:01:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046873261; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 04:01:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12579; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 04:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:58:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12268; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12256; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5903 invoked from network); 7 Nov 1997 08:58:02 -0000 Received: from hezron-36.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.166) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 1997 08:58:02 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on 560E Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:58:01 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3463d7a8.15105993@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199711070819.KAA17482@ns.kemira.com> In-Reply-To: <199711070819.KAA17482@ns.kemira.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Nov 97 10:13:23 +0200, you wrote: >The following page has a working XF86Config for the TP701 and the TP560: > >http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/leres/butterfly/xf86config.html > >The 560E has 2MB of video RAM (against 1MB for the 560), but it may have >the same chipset. > From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work with anything but Windows... epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 05:49:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057089785; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:49:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21310; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:46:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21175; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from fermi.cnam.fr (fermi.cnam.fr [163.173.128.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21162; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 05:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from (eronald@localhost) by fermi.cnam.fr (8.8.7/jpm-301097) id LAA12645 ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:44:55 +0100 (MET) From: Edmund Ronald Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:44:55 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199711071044.LAA12645@fermi.cnam.fr> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on 560E Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Re Linux on the Thinkpad, XFree works fine with the Cyber chip. With a TFT display on my TP 760 EL, I had to: - Install the SVGA server native from Redhat, with 800x600 8bpp native. - find a program off the net called cy9382. This puts the origin of the screen in the top left corner. - disable expansion under W95 : ps2 hvexp off or something... - under linux, call cy9382 before X or put it in your startx file. - the text consoles get messed up when you exit X. download a program called setfont from the net. Warning: Your mileage may vary if you have a doublescan display, I have heard of problems here. Please tell me how your install succeeds ! Edmund. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 08:19:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073778782; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:19:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24404; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:13:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:10:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24285; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:10:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24272; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21002 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:10:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl (rasip.uhc.com [168.183.16.12]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20992 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:10:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971107080623.009c3840@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:06:23 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: (TP560) DSTN display question In-Reply-To: <199711070559.VAA10097@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:51 PM 11/6/97, you wrote: >Or maybe that the left mouse button on my 355C started going out 3 months after I bought >it. It too was made in Mexico. > I don't know that the left mouse button was a quality problem in the Mexico plant. Did the 355C still have the Lexmark keyboard? The left mouse button was a known problem with the keyboard on the 755CE which had the Lexmark keyboard, and I had to have mine replaced 3 times (once a year like clockwork). It was still a much better keyboard than the ones on the 760EL and 760XL I have now. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 08:59:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA078291165; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:59:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25749; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:52:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25626; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25608; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86028-1>; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:51:19 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id OAA03291 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:49:48 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:24:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux on 560E To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Chris Hanson (cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu) wrote: > A friend of mine is considering a purchase of a 560E, but he wants to > know if Linux will work on it; in particular, he wants to know if > anyone has managed to get X working. (It has a Trident Cyber 9382 > chipset.) > > I don't have any idea whether it works or not, so I thought I'd ask > here. Does anyone know? Look for the Linux-Laptop page (http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/). My TP page at http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html contains some info and links too. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 10:08:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089275333; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:08:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28900; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:02:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28786; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28756; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id KAA07474; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:08:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:08:24 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: (TP701) Where were they made? In-Reply-To: <199711070629.WAA25839@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 6th November 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:17:00 HST, David Ross wrote: > > > (3) Paul K. made a comment about 701 quality; my 701 was made in Canada, > > I thought they all were. > > After looking at IBM's PC Direct catalogs, it said the machine was > supposed to be manafactured in Scotland, but it said Mexico. After it > was EasyServed in the summer, it said "Assembled in the US of US and > non US parts." My 701 has been EasyServed (however it's spelled) once, and says "Assembled in the U.S.A. of U.S.A. and non-U.S.A. components". I didn't check to see what it had said before I'd sent it in. There's a red-on-white Industry Canada/Industrie Canada sticker on the bottom of my 701, but I'm not sure that that signifies a majority-made-in-Canada product; my PCMCIA modem (TDK DF2814C) was made in Japan (or at least the card itself was), but its cable has an Industry Canada sticker. Was it David who'd mentioned that two different screens were used in the 701? I wonder if there are any differences in the sites of manufacturing between one and the other... Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 10:09:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089485386; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:09:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28724; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:01:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:00:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28583; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from milkyway.gsfc.nasa.gov (milkyway.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.126.127]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28551; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (porter@localhost) by milkyway.gsfc.nasa.gov (LHEA9504/950407.s1) with SMTP id JAA19328; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. F. Scott Porter NASA/GSFC" To: Chris Hanson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on 560E In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, Linux works wonderfully on the 560. You will need XFree86 3.3.1 for best results. This might not yet be included in the standard RedHat (or Debian, etc...) distributions but is available from your friendly local linux software site. There are also a couple of web sites dedicated to Linux on the 560 but I don't have the URLs handy at the moment. -- Scott. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr. F. Scott Porter Internet: Frederick.S.Porter@gsfc.nasa.gov NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center Office: (301)286-5016 Code 662 FAX: (301)286-1684 Greenbelt, MD 20771 WWW: http://lheawww.gsfc.nasa.gov/~porter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Chris Hanson wrote: > A friend of mine is considering a purchase of a 560E, but he wants to > know if Linux will work on it; in particular, he wants to know if > anyone has managed to get X working. (It has a Trident Cyber 9382 > chipset.) > > I don't have any idea whether it works or not, so I thought I'd ask > here. Does anyone know? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 11:39:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104670791; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:39:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05108; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:35:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04956; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04941; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:35:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx08-23.teleport.com (ip-pdx08-25.teleport.com [206.163.123.249]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA24222 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:34:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:34:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711071634.IAA24222@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: 701/560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Hi David, > >Better made huh? That is encouraging, one year warranty and all - >but perhaps you are a poor judge in that you had so much trouble with your 701(to its final replacement). > >Has anyone else found the same? I would expect higher quality in the 7xx line. > >My 701 has been a smooth machine. > > > > Incidentally, so far my impression is that >> the 560 is much better made (if less well thought through) than the >> 701. My current power problem seems to be a real fluke, and the >> screens are of course all made in Asia. >> > >g. >> >>- David R. >> >> > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 12:01:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108862073; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:01:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07917; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:53:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07788; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07683; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28918; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.6.4) id LAA24696; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:53:07 -0500 (EST) To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on 560E References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 07 Nov 1997 11:53:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu's message of "Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:32:19 -0500 (EST)" Message-Id: Lines: 4 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://www.arctic.org/~dgaudet/tp560/ has precisely the info you are looking for. Peace, dNb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 14:59:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146432785; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:59:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17674; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:53:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17189; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:53:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17171; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05738; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:51:20 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07310; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:53:49 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711071953.JAA07310@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: (TP560) Where made (was: DSTN display question) To: jesse@spine.com (Jesse Montrose) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 9:53:48 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971106235035.008b7c80@mailhost.hooked.net>; from "Jesse Montrose" at Nov 6, 97 11:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Hmm, mine is one of the second round (2gb disks) and says "Made in Japan", > serial number starts with 97- This is extremely interesting. It isn't surprising that IBM takes advantage of its international presence to manufacture machines all over the place, and it isn't even too surprising that some models are made in more than one place (e.g, Paul's Scottish 701). However, I was very much under the impression that IBM's Japanese facility mainly did experimental machines (like their Japan-only ultralight). Labor costs in Japan are quite high, so even Japanese companies tend to make their machines elsewhere if possible. The year we bought our VW Golf was the year they moved manufacture from the US to Mexico; at most dealers, you could get either a US-built or a Mexico-built car. SOme dealers wanted a premium for the US-built cars (in retrospect - judging >from repair records - well worth it). I wonder if computer dealers ought to do the same, say charging $25 more for the TP560(J) than for the TP560(M). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 16:37:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167248657; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:37:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22676; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22533; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22508; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA00601 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 23:29:29 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199711072129.XAA00601@hauki.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 23:29:16 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3463d7a8.15105993@smtp.enteract.com> Subject: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 at 08:58 AM you, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), said: > From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem >because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have >trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work >with anything but Windows... Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). Also, for all the lack of enthusiasm for Warp of many IBM units, I would really be surprised (and disappointed) if they didn't come with OS/2 drivers. Btw, is the 560X already available? Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 18:44:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190036294; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:44:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28442; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:42:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28316; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28297; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86022-1>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:41:52 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id AAA05522 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:40:23 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:14:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Linux on 560E To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Edmund Ronald (eronald@cnam.fr) wrote: > With a TFT display on my TP 760 EL, I had to: > - Install the SVGA server native from Redhat, with 800x600 8bpp native. > - find a program off the net called cy9382. This puts the origin of the > screen in the top left corner. cy9382 and ibm760-setres (its successor) should no longer be needed with XFree86 3.3.1. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 21:48:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215367312; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:48:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04295; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:45:58 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04192; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA07414; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSRGSMTP08 (upimsrgsmtp08.msn.com [207.68.152.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00644; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 19:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from upmajb08 - 204.95.110.71 by msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:43:58 -0800 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 00:41:12 UT From: "Laurence Larsen" <71420666@classic.msn.com> Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Question on AC adapter compatability 701c/560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu BTW....has anyone tried to use a 701c power supply on a 560 or vice versa? They seem interchangeable except for the amps (higher on the power transformer for the 560). The air/auto transformers for the 560 and 701 are being marketed as interchangeable but I am loath to use the 560 transformer I have on my 701 since the amps are different although the rest is the same (which shouldn't make a difference....but does on some laptops). Any comments from IBM professionals monitoring this forum? Thanks! Larry Larsen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 21:52:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215797532; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:52:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04528; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:51:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04451; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04438; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:50:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15168; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:53:31 -0800 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Laurence Larsen <71420666@classic.msn.com> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Question on AC adapter compatability 701c/560 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Laurence Larsen wrote: > BTW....has anyone tried to use a 701c power supply on a 560 or vice versa? > They seem interchangeable except for the amps (higher on the power transformer > for the 560). The air/auto transformers for the 560 and 701 are being marketed > as interchangeable but I am loath to use the 560 transformer I have on my 701 > since the amps are different although the rest is the same (which shouldn't > make a difference....but does on some laptops). As long as the power supply can provide at least as much current as the notebook needs it shouldn't make any difference at all. I work on aircraft electronics for a living and I'd certainly do it. That's how current works. The load only draws what it needs. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 7 22:43:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229360618; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:43:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05820; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:42:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:42:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05743; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05730; Fri, 7 Nov 1997 22:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1567 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 03:42:12 -0000 Received: from hezron-19.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.149) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 03:42:12 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [tp 510/560/701] Question on AC adapter compatability 701c/560 Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 03:42:11 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3464ddb4.4514279@smtp.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:53:30 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Laurence Larsen wrote: > >> BTW....has anyone tried to use a 701c power supply on a 560 or vice = versa? =20 >> They seem interchangeable except for the amps (higher on the power = transformer=20 >> for the 560). The air/auto transformers for the 560 and 701 are being = marketed=20 >> as interchangeable but I am loath to use the 560 transformer I have on= my 701=20 >> since the amps are different although the rest is the same (which = shouldn't=20 >> make a difference....but does on some laptops). =20 > > As long as the power supply can provide at least as much current as = the >notebook needs it shouldn't make any difference at all. I work on >aircraft electronics for a living and I'd certainly do it. That's how >current works. The load only draws what it needs. I hope so, as I was thinking the same thing about my 510Cs and 560. The specs listed on the adapters are almost identical:=20 Input 100-125/200-240V ~50/60Hz 1/.05(5)A Output 16V (TP560) 16.6V (TP510) 35W It *does* make sense, though, using adapters that would work on all models makes stocking the part a lot simpler, no? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 00:57:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272698667; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:57:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09019; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:56:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08930; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08918; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 00:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5867 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 05:56:04 -0000 Received: from asahel-25.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.203) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 05:56:04 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 560: Anyone booted from a pc hard drive? Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 05:56:05 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <3466e2dd.5659061@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was just in Easy Setup and saw this option, and was wondering how it works and if anyone's attempted it. I've got a 131MB pcmcia drive sitting around, and I was thinking the best scheme for creating my disks would be to put them all on this. I could simply create a boot floppy with a file that includes the Maxtor MobileMax's point enabler, then plug in the drive and install from there. This would be *much* faster and simpler than creating all the diskettes, and take up a lot less space. But, even the boot floppy could be eliminated if there's a way to make a 701 boot from the pcmcia slot. This drive was the same type used with the HP Omnibooks, so some systems can boot from them. Anyone tried this? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 06:18:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063787893; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:18:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23633; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:17:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:16:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23485; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23472; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:16:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.18.124.38] (SoCal56k138.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.38]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id DAA17471; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 03:16:00 -0800 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 02:58:17 -0800 To: Steve Parker , Laurence Larsen <71420666@classic.msn.com> From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Question on AC adapter compatability 701c/560 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 6:53 PM -0800 11/7/97, Steve Parker wrote: >On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Laurence Larsen wrote: > >> BTW....has anyone tried to use a 701c power supply on a 560 or vice versa? >> They seem interchangeable except for the amps (higher on the power >>transformer >> for the 560). The air/auto transformers for the 560 and 701 are being >>marketed >> as interchangeable but I am loath to use the 560 transformer I have on >>my 701 >> since the amps are different although the rest is the same (which shouldn't >> make a difference....but does on some laptops). > > As long as the power supply can provide at least as much current as the >notebook needs it shouldn't make any difference at all. I work on >aircraft electronics for a living and I'd certainly do it. That's how >current works. The load only draws what it needs. A few designs I have run across rely on the weak power supply as a safety feature. I used a nice stable overrated power supply for a Star printer and on the first paper jam it fried a board. YMMV From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 06:36:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066099002; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:36:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24064; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:35:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23913; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23899; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 06:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86034-1>; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:35:13 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA09368 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:33:41 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:07:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dominique Pivard (domi@kenavo.fi) wrote: > On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 at 08:58 AM you, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), said: > > > From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem > >because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have > >trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work > >with anything but Windows... > > Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem > to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). Not for the chips used in the notebooks, only for the PCI expansion cards used for desktop models. There's no support whatsoever for the notebook chips in either XFree86, MetroX or Accel-X, nor will there be any in XFree86 due to NDA considerations. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 13:05:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125692358; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:05:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02276; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:03:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02140; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cais2.cais.com (cais2.cais.com [199.0.216.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02128; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by cais2.cais.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA25513; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:01:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: rj To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) In-Reply-To: <199711072129.XAA00601@hauki.clinet.fi> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Nov 1997, Dominique Pivard wrote: > > Btw, is the 560X already available? > > Dominique As I recall the IBM web page says they will be availabe 11/14. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 14:40:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151158002; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:40:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04830; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:39:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:38:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04729; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04714; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA19237; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:38:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711081938.LAA19237@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christian Carey" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 11:40:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP701) Where were they made? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:08:24 -0500 (EST), Christian Carey wrote: >On Thursday, 6th November 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> On Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:17:00 HST, David Ross wrote: >> >> > (3) Paul K. made a comment about 701 quality; my 701 was made in Canada, >> > I thought they all were. >> >> After looking at IBM's PC Direct catalogs, it said the machine was >> supposed to be manafactured in Scotland, but it said Mexico. After it >> was EasyServed in the summer, it said "Assembled in the US of US and >> non US parts." > >My 701 has been EasyServed (however it's spelled) once, and says >"Assembled in the U.S.A. of U.S.A. and non-U.S.A. components". I didn't >check to see what it had said before I'd sent it in. There's a >red-on-white Industry Canada/Industrie Canada sticker on the bottom of my >701, but I'm not sure that that signifies a majority-made-in-Canada >product; my PCMCIA modem (TDK DF2814C) was made in Japan (or at least the >card itself was), but its cable has an Industry Canada sticker. > This sticker I think usually says that the modem has been tested to work in Canada. Maybe a Canadian resident on this list can conform that please. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 14:57:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154319073; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:57:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05413; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:56:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05311; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05294; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA21122; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:56:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711081956.LAA21122@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 11:58:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP560) Where made (was: DSTN display question) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Nov 97 9:53:48 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Hmm, mine is one of the second round (2gb disks) and says "Made in Japan", >> serial number starts with 97- > >This is extremely interesting. It isn't surprising that IBM takes advantage >of its international presence to manufacture machines all over the place, >and it isn't even too surprising that some models are made in more than >one place (e.g, Paul's Scottish 701). However, I was very much under >the impression that IBM's Japanese facility mainly did experimental machines >(like their Japan-only ultralight). Labor costs in Japan are quite high, >so even Japanese companies tend to make their machines elsewhere if possible. > >The year we bought our VW Golf was the year they moved manufacture from the US >to Mexico; at most dealers, you could get either a US-built or a Mexico-built >car. SOme dealers wanted a premium for the US-built cars (in retrospect - judging >from repair records - well worth it). I wonder if computer dealers ought to do >the same, say charging $25 more for the TP560(J) than for the TP560(M). > >- David > > One thing though, my machine was not Scottish, but Mexian. It was supposed to be Scottish. Now it's American. BTW, I don't think Mexico has really had that great of a reputation in manafacturing, except that labor is dirt cheap! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 15:00:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154989243; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:00:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05222; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:54:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05131; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05119; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:54:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA20896; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 11:53:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711081953.LAA20896@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Daum" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 11:56:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701/560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:34:58 -0800 (PST), Bryan Daum wrote: > > >>Hi David, >> >>Better made huh? That is encouraging, one year warranty and all - >>but perhaps you are a poor judge in that you had so much trouble with your >701(to its final replacement). >> >>Has anyone else found the same? I would expect higher quality in the 7xx line. >> >>My 701 has been a smooth machine. >> My keyboard has sort of been a primary source of problems, like the hinge breaking before. Now it's the keyboard locking up and the mouse is broken off. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 15:08:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156879701; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:08:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05757; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:02:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05637; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05624; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 15:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA21617; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 12:01:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711082001.MAA21617@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" , "epbrown" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 12:04:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [tp 510/560/701] Question on AC adapter compatability 701c/560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 08 Nov 1997 03:42:11 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:53:30 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >>On Sat, 8 Nov 1997, Laurence Larsen wrote: >> >>> BTW....has anyone tried to use a 701c power supply on a 560 or vice versa? >>> They seem interchangeable except for the amps (higher on the power transformer >>> for the 560). The air/auto transformers for the 560 and 701 are being marketed >>> as interchangeable but I am loath to use the 560 transformer I have on my 701 >>> since the amps are different although the rest is the same (which shouldn't >>> make a difference....but does on some laptops). >> >> As long as the power supply can provide at least as much current as the >>notebook needs it shouldn't make any difference at all. I work on >>aircraft electronics for a living and I'd certainly do it. That's how >>current works. The load only draws what it needs. > I hope so, as I was thinking the same thing about my 510Cs and 560. >The specs listed on the adapters are almost identical: >Input 100-125/200-240V ~50/60Hz 1/.05(5)A >Output 16V (TP560) 16.6V (TP510) 35W > It *does* make sense, though, using adapters that would work on all >models makes stocking the part a lot simpler, no? It might be a bit difficult because different models have different power needs, such as a TFT, HD, sound , modem, etc. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 16:14:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177553672; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:14:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07459; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:11:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07190; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07141; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts14.loop.net (p27.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA28110; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:10:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711082110.NAA28110@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 13:13:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Nov 97 23:29:16 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 at 08:58 AM you, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), said: > >> From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem >>because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have >>trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work >>with anything but Windows... > >Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem >to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). > >Also, for all the lack of enthusiasm for Warp of many IBM units, I would >really be surprised (and disappointed) if they didn't come with OS/2 >drivers. > I second that and would not buy it. And in regards to the threads before, there ARE a lot of us with multiple platforms on our ThinkPads such as OS/2 and Linux. Whew. Just had to get that out. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 16:14:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177693686; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:14:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07508; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:11:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07176; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07142; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 16:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts14.loop.net (p27.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA28124; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 13:10:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711082110.NAA28124@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 08 Nov 97 13:13:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Nov 97 23:29:16 +0200, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 at 08:58 AM you, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown), said: > >> From what I've heard around the net, the 560E shouldn't be a problem >>because it uses the Trident chip, but the new 560X line will have >>trouble, since IBM switches to the NeoMagic video chip that doesn't work >>with anything but Windows... > >Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem >to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). > >Also, for all the lack of enthusiasm for Warp of many IBM units, I would >really be surprised (and disappointed) if they didn't come with OS/2 >drivers. > I second that and would not buy it. And in regards to the threads before, there ARE a lot of us with multiple platforms on our ThinkPads such as OS/2 and Linux. Whew. Just had to get that out. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 17:06:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197076792; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:06:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08737; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:06:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:03:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08494; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from HME1.smtp.sprint.ca (HME1.smtp.sprint.ca [207.107.250.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08482; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from thinkpad (SPC-ISP-VAN-UAS-5-224.sprint.ca [209.103.0.224]) by HME1.smtp.sprint.ca (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id RAA20791 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 17:03:43 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: "David Crombie" From: "David Crombie" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Re: (TP701) Where were they made? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:03:19 -0800 Message-Id: <01bcec92$238c2a20$e00067d1@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As far as I know the Industry Canada sticker just signifies that the device is approved to operate in Canada. It doesn't mean that any parts were actually manufactured or assembled in Canada. I seem to see these on a lot of computer parts that I purchase, specifically pc card modems. David Crombie a sometimes proud canadian thinkpad owner -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: Christian Carey ; ThinkPad mailing list Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 11:47 AM Subject: Re: (TP701) Where were they made? >On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:08:24 -0500 (EST), Christian Carey wrote: > >>On Thursday, 6th November 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:17:00 HST, David Ross wrote: >>> >>> > (3) Paul K. made a comment about 701 quality; my 701 was made in Canada, >>> > I thought they all were. >>> >>> After looking at IBM's PC Direct catalogs, it said the machine was >>> supposed to be manafactured in Scotland, but it said Mexico. After it >>> was EasyServed in the summer, it said "Assembled in the US of US and >>> non US parts." >> >>My 701 has been EasyServed (however it's spelled) once, and says >>"Assembled in the U.S.A. of U.S.A. and non-U.S.A. components". I didn't >>check to see what it had said before I'd sent it in. There's a >>red-on-white Industry Canada/Industrie Canada sticker on the bottom of my >>701, but I'm not sure that that signifies a majority-made-in-Canada >>product; my PCMCIA modem (TDK DF2814C) was made in Japan (or at least the >>card itself was), but its cable has an Industry Canada sticker. >> >This sticker I think usually says that the modem has been tested >to work in Canada. Maybe a Canadian resident on this list >can conform that please. > >Paul > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 8 18:09:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217840590; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:09:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10174; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:07:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10002; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:07:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.119.93]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09981; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff [206.173.119.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.8.7/(97/09/12 5.7)) id SAA15891; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:07:03 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts003d22.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.82]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.8.7) id SAA16627; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:07:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711082307.SAA16627@cliff.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 18:06:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (TP701) Where were they made? Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <01bcec92$238c2a20$e00067d1@thinkpad> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I bought a PC Card modem in Canada, the sticker is a "Communications Canada" logo (or something like that) and not "Industry Canada". It just means that the modem has been approved to be used on the Canadian telephone networks and I don't think it has any relevance to the actually percentage of Canadian workmanship or content. Correct me if I'm wrong. When I was buying computers for my client to export to one of their clients, we had to follow some rules and regulations with regards to Canadian content. As you know, most of the parts are manufactured elsewhere, but the machine itself is "Assembled in Canada", which depending on that particular contract, made a big difference as to whether or not it was considered a Canadian export. Digital was one of the only companies here in Canada where they actually manufactured their motherboard, whereas most other components are made elsewhere. Hopefully I haven't made this issue more confusing. ... patrick > As far as I know the Industry Canada sticker just signifies that the device is > approved to operate in Canada. It doesn't mean that any parts were actually > manufactured or assembled in Canada. I seem to see these on a lot of computer > parts that I purchase, specifically pc card modems. > > Subject: Re: (TP701) Where were they made? > > >On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:08:24 -0500 (EST), Christian Carey wrote: > > > >>On Thursday, 6th November 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:17:00 HST, David Ross wrote: > >>> > >>> > (3) Paul K. made a comment about 701 quality; my 701 was made in > Canada, > >>> > I thought they all were. > >>> > >>> After looking at IBM's PC Direct catalogs, it said the machine was > >>> supposed to be manafactured in Scotland, but it said Mexico. After it > >>> was EasyServed in the summer, it said "Assembled in the US of US and > >>> non US parts." > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 9 06:36:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087065410; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:36:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05656; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:33:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05521; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05509; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86037-2>; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:33:04 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA13265 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:31:30 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:55:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > > > I second that and would not buy it. And in regards to the threads before, > there ARE a lot of us with multiple platforms on our ThinkPads such as OS/2 > and Linux. Paul, this is well known inside IBM but as long as we can't present the marketeers a business case for Linux on Thinkpads we are on our own. That's even true for me ;^) and I am working for IBM (_not_ PCCo!). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 9 08:40:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096202833; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:40:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07167; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:37:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07052; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:37:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from rfd.mc.duke.edu (rfd.mc.duke.edu [152.3.78.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07040; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:37:06 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ccmail.duke.edu by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23776) id <0EJD00M02SHPEF@mc.duke.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:37:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 05:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <0EJD00M07SHPEF@mc.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_16KXp4s/+AY/egQicHtRjA)" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --Boundary_(ID_16KXp4s/+AY/egQicHtRjA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > > > I second that and would not buy it. And in regards to the threads before, > there ARE a lot of us with multiple platforms on our ThinkPads such as OS/2 > and Linux. Paul, this is well known inside IBM but as long as we can't present the marketeers a business case for Linux on Thinkpads we are on our own. That's even true for me ;^) and I am working for IBM (_not_ PCCo!). --Boundary_(ID_16KXp4s/+AY/egQicHtRjA) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN RFC-822-headers: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23776) with ESMTP id <0EJD004MDMWYPA@mc.duke.edu> for thark@duccrtr; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 06:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05653; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 06:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 09 Nov 1997 06:33:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05521; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 06:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05509; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 06:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86037-2>; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:33:04 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id MAA13265 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:31:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:55:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: hmilz@seneca.muc.de X-Reply-to: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. 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X-no-archive: yes Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --Boundary_(ID_16KXp4s/+AY/egQicHtRjA)-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 9 09:45:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101846725; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:45:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08225; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:42:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08037; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08025; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:42:10 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:42:07 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560X / NeoMagic (was: Re: Linux on 560E) In-Reply-To: <199711082110.NAA28110@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Well, the NeoMagic page (http://www.rahul.net/neomagic/Nmdriver.html) seem > >to imply there's Linux support via a third party company (Xi Graphics). That's true but: (1) their (notebook-) x-server is outrageously priced. You pay a lot of money for a server which supports a few graphic chips. If you want to use the same server for the graphic card in your docking station, you got to buy the desktop version as well. (2) As to the Neomagic NM2070, version 3.1 does NOT give you the performance you might expect from the technical specs, that is, 72Hz at 1024 on an external CRT. (At least, it doesn't on an Omnibook 800.) It may be fast but when sitting in front of a screen flickering with 60Hz I don't care about xstones and alike creatures. (3) There are two `fixes' resp. upgrades for the 3.1 server on the XInside ftp site. I tried them and in both cases I had to reinstall the server. That's not quite what I expect from a company selling expensive software. As I said a few weeks ago, I bought that server because it was the only way to get 256 colours on the TFT screen of my machine (which is quite important if you got to use xdvi etc.). But if there is a notebook model offering roughly the same features yet featuring another graphic chip, I'd never buy a machine with the Neomagic stuff in it. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 9 22:34:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070562849; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:34:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05112; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:21:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04805; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04793; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 22:21:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:20:57 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xUkPK-000tj5A; Mon, 10 Nov 97 04:20 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Sun, 09 Nov 1997 23:08:52 +0100 Message-Id: <34663474.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 09 Nov 97 23:08:51 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: XFree86 on 760ED (9546X9A)? Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! On my 760ED with XGA Display (9546X9A), I am not able to run the SVGA Server from XFree86 3.3.1. I tried several XF86Config's from other people and even wrote my own, but nothing works. The screen remains black, only some flickering can ce recognized. I tried it with the display, with an external monitor and with both (using Fun-F7). The chip is a Trident Cyber9385, what XFree determines correctly. Is there anyone with exactly the same TP model using XFree86 (regardless of its version) in SVGA mode? P.S.: S/N is 554P93F, built in 3/97 --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 03:00:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222138829; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:00:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11597; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:57:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11392; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11378; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 02:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p06.hwts12.loop.net (p06.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.141]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03664; Sun, 9 Nov 1997 23:56:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711100756.XAA03664@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 08:06:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP560) DSTN display question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:06:23 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 10:51 PM 11/6/97, you wrote: > >>Or maybe that the left mouse button on my 355C started going out 3 months >after I bought >>it. It too was made in Mexico. >> > >I don't know that the left mouse button was a quality problem in the Mexico >plant. Did the 355C still have the Lexmark keyboard? Yup. The left mouse >button was a known problem with the keyboard on the 755CE which had the >Lexmark keyboard, and I had to have mine replaced 3 times (once a year like >clockwork). > I never got it repaired, which was a lone story, despite being shipped to Easyserve, but the same thing happened on the 701, whose keyboard is made in the US by Keytronic. >It was still a much better keyboard than the ones on the 760EL and 760XL I >have now. > That's what I'd say regarding my 701, except for the size of the mouse buttons. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 10:35:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010856114; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:35:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01868; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:26:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01383; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01359; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10885; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:26:52 -0700 Message-Id: <346728AB.2F194909@wwsi.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:30:51 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Feuerstein , thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: XFree86 on 760ED (9546X9A)? References: <34663474.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Check out http://www.wwsi.com/linux-tp.html There are a number of 760ED configurations in there. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. the practical network and systems experts Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 15:08:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088462486; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:08:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18078; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:03:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17746; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17733; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA20223; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:01:40 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA16641; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:04:15 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711102004.KAA16641@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP560, applies to all) A minor Easyserve gripe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 10:04:15 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last week my 560 failed; called IBM Sunday, box arrived Wednesday evening, dropped off at Fedex early Thursday morning, arrived at IBM on Saturday So far, business as usual. I just called IBM, and was told that they are waiting on a replacement system board, no estimated date of arrival/repair. Now, I've been through this before (on my 701), as have others in this list, but increasingly I think there's no excuse for it. If IBM is going to offer warrantees on their products, they should do something to ensure that their main repair depot has ready access to replacement parts. I don't think it is the customer's fault that they change models so fast that the parts are only rolling off the assembly line for a month or two after the machine is purchased. To be honest, I thought this would be less of a problem with the 560 than with the 701, since a version of the machine is still in production, but I guess IBM doesn't feel like dropping a P150 board in my P133 box:-) Anyway, that's off my chest. Stay tuned for next week's gripe: "Why does IBM's voicemail list choices in such a bizarre, annoying, inefficient orer?" - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 15:24:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091643457; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:24:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19046; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:17:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18949; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from aus-f.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-f.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18933; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from user37 (s05-pm04.uky.campus.mci.net [205.219.150.124]) by aus-f.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07077 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:14:04 -0500 (EST) From: "John Walters" To: Subject: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: <01bcee14$2736f140$LocalHost@user37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BCEDEA.3E60E940" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BCEDEA.3E60E940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Thnkpad 750C - 486-33SLC; 10.4 active matrix; 8 MB RAM (4 = onboard and 4 MB IC-DRAM card); 170 meg HD; PCMCIA fax/mod card. I am running WIndows 95 on the above which, as you can imagine, is very = slow. I cannot upgrade the processor. I run primarily WordPerfect 7 = and a time and billing package so will do some swapping. My upgrade = options are as follows: 1. 16 MB IC DRAM for $125 2. 32 MB IC DRAM for $235 4. 1.4 GIG HD for $400 Does anyone have any idea what type of performance gains I could expect = and if the difference in performance gains is worth the extra cost of = the 32 MB card? Any thoughts on whether the total cost of the upgrade = (either $525 or $635) is worth the money? Thanks for the advice. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BCEDEA.3E60E940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have a Thnkpad 750C - 486-33SLC; = 10.4 active=20 matrix; 8 MB RAM (4 onboard and 4 MB IC-DRAM card); 170 meg HD; PCMCIA = fax/mod=20 card.
 
I am running WIndows 95 on the above = which, as=20 you can imagine, is very slow.  I cannot upgrade the = processor.  I run=20 primarily WordPerfect 7 and a time and billing package so will do some=20 swapping.  My upgrade options are as follows:
 
   =20 1.      16 MB IC DRAM for $125
   =20 2.      32 MB IC DRAM for $235
   =20 4.      1.4 GIG HD for $400
 
Does anyone have any idea what type = of=20 performance gains I could expect and if the difference in performance = gains is=20 worth the extra cost of the 32 MB card?  Any thoughts on whether = the total=20 cost of the upgrade (either $525 or $635) is worth the = money?
 
Thanks for the=20 advice.
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BCEDEA.3E60E940-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 15:47:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098304852; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:47:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20772; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:45:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20698; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20676; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24169 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:44:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971110124409.007af4d0@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:44:09 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: External Floppy enclosure kit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone tell me a cheap source to get one of those external floppy enclosure kits? I have a TP755CD and I've seen the enclosure and cable going for about $150 6 months ago. That's kinda steep just to use the floppy and the CDrom at the same time. If anyone can tell me a good source I'd apreciate it. Thanks, -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 15:56:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100305418; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:56:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21514; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:55:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21374; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21360; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id OAA11747; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:54:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971110145145.006bac5c@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:51:45 -0600 To: "John Walters" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Cc: In-Reply-To: <01bcee14$2736f140$LocalHost@user37> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:06 PM 11/10/97 -0500, John Walters wrote: > a lot of stuff in format having to do with upgrading choices When I had a 750C, I upgraded it in two ways. First, I added a 16Meg RAM card to the 4 built in. Second, I moved to an 810Meg hard disk (largest available at the time). Now, I have a 755CE with a 32Meg RAM card (added to the 8 built in) and a 2.1Gig hard disk (largest available, without mortgaging my home, at the time). (BTW, If you decide to go with a 16Meg upgrade, I can beat your $125 price, if you want my "burned-in" card.) Today, I would not upgrade a 750C, unless it needed *only* memory or *only* disk space. I saw a 365X (I think) P133 ThinkPad at Computer Discount Warehouse for something like $1K a few weeks ago. I'd go with something like that, and think about upgrading its RAM shortly thereafter. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 16:12:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103676354; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:12:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22733; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:09:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22592; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:09:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22577; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:44:11 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEDD7.B2769A40@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:53:52 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCEDD7.B2769A40@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'John Walters'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:53:51 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Based on what you are running the 16MB upgrade is fine. With 95 anything above 8MB is significant but the performance increase = above 20MB are much smaller. You can do much better than $400 for a 1.4 Gig. Do a http://www.pricewatch.com search or computer ESP http://www.uvision.com/ Keep your caddy or I can sell you a one for $35. The HDD should be $235 or less. ...peter.. ---------- From: John Walters[SMTP:jwalters@uky.campus.mci.net] Sent: Monday, November 10, 1997 12:06 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C I have a Thnkpad 750C - 486-33SLC; 10.4 active matrix; 8 MB RAM (4 = onboard and 4 MB IC-DRAM card); 170 meg HD; PCMCIA fax/mod card. I am running WIndows 95 on the above which, as you can imagine, is very = slow. I cannot upgrade the processor. I run primarily WordPerfect 7 = and a time and billing package so will do some swapping. My upgrade = options are as follows: 1. 16 MB IC DRAM for $125 2. 32 MB IC DRAM for $235 4. 1.4 GIG HD for $400 Does anyone have any idea what type of performance gains I could expect = and if the difference in performance gains is worth the extra cost of = the 32 MB card? Any thoughts on whether the total cost of the upgrade = (either $525 or $635) is worth the money? Thanks for the advice. <> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 18:19:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139113968; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:19:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28359; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:16:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28199; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28183; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p15.hwts12.loop.net (p15.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.150]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA08616; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:15:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711102315.PAA08616@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 16:07:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP560, applies to all) A minor Easyserve gripe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 10 Nov 97 10:04:15 HST, David Ross wrote: >To be honest, I thought this would be less of a problem with the 560 than with >the 701, since a version of the machine is still in production, but I guess IBM >doesn't feel like dropping a P150 board in my P133 box:-) > I personally think it's very irresponsible on their part, and that they should also do a no-questions asked repair, unless abuse is obvious. And now the screws are litterally coming out of my LCD bezel because of cheap labor. >Anyway, that's off my chest. Stay tuned for next week's gripe: "Why does >IBM's voicemail list choices in such a bizarre, annoying, inefficient orer?" > And why do they say "To better serve you, our menu options have changed"? Yeah right, wasting my time to listen to all the options after I've had them memorized. And their online support for OS/2 on the 701 isn't that great, either. But the pages are otherwise well done. Clink, clink. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 18:20:41 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139454040; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:20:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28566; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:19:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:19:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28418; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28395; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from p15.hwts12.loop.net (p15.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.150]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA27484 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:18:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711102318.PAA27484@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 16:10:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Inexpensive used ThinkPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone here know where I can get a cheap ThinkPad (under $200). with at least a mono LCD? Mouse and PCMCIA are not required. TIA. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 22:34:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA191339297; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:34:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08048; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:29:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:26:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07894; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07882; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 26830 invoked from network); 11 Nov 1997 03:26:24 -0000 Received: from asahel-19.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.197) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 1997 03:26:24 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: nj.market.computers,us.forsale.computers,ba.market.computers,biz.marketplace.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.misc,comp.forsale.computers,aol.commerce.computers.forsale,comp.sys.laptops,houston.forsale,nc.charlotte.forsale,wpg.forsale.computers,phl.forsale,ont.forsale,nb.forsale,milw.forsale.computers,misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables,aol.commerce.computers.wanted,can.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.other.misc Subject: Re: BATTERIES - BATTERIES - BATTERIES Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 03:26:25 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <346bcfd4.17785923@news.enteract.com> References: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:55:39 -0600, digital_house@midtn.campus.mci.net (Digital House Communications) wrote: >IBM ThinkPad 560 Lithium-ion Batts >FRU P/N 46H4144 10.8 V @ 2.2 >$149.95 + shipping Anyone ever buy a battery from Digital House? I keep seeing this ad, and this is the lowest price I've ever seen on a 560 battery. I'm wondering if there is a catch. Don't tell me I have to be the guinea pig! epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 10 23:43:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA200643438; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:43:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10427; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:30:56 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10297; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA26932; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09876; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-40.usc.edu [128.125.224.40]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA01136; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:20:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971110201640.00ccd4f4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:21:50 -0800 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: BATTERIES - BATTERIES - BATTERIES Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:26 AM 11/11/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: >(Digital House Communications) wrote: >>IBM ThinkPad 560 Lithium-ion Batts >>FRU P/N 46H4144 10.8 V @ 2.2 >>$149.95 + shipping > Anyone ever buy a battery from Digital House? I keep seeing this >ad, and this is the lowest price I've ever seen on a 560 battery. I'm >wondering if there is a catch. Don't tell me I have to be the guinea >pig! > epbrown Let's just say I'll be *very* interested what your experience is so I know whether I should buy one there too. :-) By the way, is there any kind of external charger for 560 batteries? Or must all 560 batteries be charged while in the computer? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 04:13:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231859595; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:13:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19432; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:11:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19287; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (fep2-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19260; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p200 (d2-u56.wgtn.clear.net.nz [203.97.50.184]) by fep2-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.8) with ESMTP id WAA18494; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:10:50 +1300 (NZDT) Reply-To: "Simon J Morris" From: "Simon J Morris" To: Subject: Re: External Floppy enclosure kit Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:15:47 +1300 Message-Id: <01bcee82$6575a820$b83261cb@p200> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Price of external floppy enclosure kit ... You might like to re-check the price. I just bought one for my 760CD. It was NZD$143, down from over NZD$250 a year ago. Simon Morris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 07:52:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA255282770; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:52:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00753; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:52:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:51:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00661; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00640; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 07:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from matchb.demon.co.uk ([158.152.105.156]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1007533; 11 Nov 97 12:46 GMT Received: (from martin@localhost) by matchb.demon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA11232; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:53:14 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 12:53:14 GMT Message-Id: <199711111253.MAA11232@matchb.demon.co.uk> From: Martin Young To: jwalters@uky.campus.mci.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01bcee14$2736f140$LocalHost@user37> (jwalters@uky.campus.mci.net) Subject: Re: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>>>> "John" == John Walters writes: John> I have a Thnkpad 750C - 486-33SLC; 10.4 active matrix; 8 MB John> RAM (4 = onboard and 4 MB IC-DRAM card); 170 meg HD; PCMCIA John> fax/mod card. John> I am running WIndows 95 on the above which, as you can John> imagine, is very = slow. I cannot upgrade the processor. I John> run primarily WordPerfect 7 = and a time and billing package John> so will do some swapping. My upgrade = options are as John> follows: John> 1. 16 MB IC DRAM for $125 2. 32 MB IC DRAM for $235 4. John> 1.4 GIG HD for $400 John, I'm still struggling along with my 750 (mono!). I upgraded my RAM from 12MB to 40MB (the difference between this and 20MB wasn't worth worrying about) for ~250 (UK pounds) and the disk to 1GB for 189 (UK pounds). The prices for these should now be much less. You can use standard 2.5" disks, but make sure they're thin enough, and you have to cut the track to the master/slave select lines on the ribbon cable between the board and HD. Is it fast enough?? Most of my use is for coding and testing embedded systems software, and so is quite CPU-intensive and I find it's a bit slow, but both linux and W95 work acceptably fast for now. I mainly wanted the machine to work on while travelling, and so battery life is important to me. I get about 3hours life even with heavy disk use, which I may not get from a shiny new Pentium!! The RAM upgrade and disk upgrade were definitely worth it to me, but if you do a lot of CPU-intensive work, it may not make enough difference. My major gripes, apart from the CPU speed are that the mono screen is small (9.5"), and hard to see in bright light. PS I'd be interested in anyone who has a broken 75x, or 360, with a good screen which can use my disk, memory, and battery, so I can have a slightly larger colour screen!! Martin. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 08:46:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264205967; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:46:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03368; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:44:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03185; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.delta.dk (gateway.delta.dk [130.227.239.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03133; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by firewall.delta.dk (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA100766289; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:51:29 +0100 Received: from delta.delta.dk(130.227.236.31) by firewall.delta.dk via smap (V1.3) id sma010073; Tue Nov 11 14:51:28 1997 Received: from cepheus.delta.dk (hmp@cepheus.delta.dk [130.227.236.50]) by delta.delta.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03498 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:43:16 +0100 Received: (from hmp@localhost) by cepheus.delta.dk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA31671; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:43:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:43:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199711111343.OAA31671@cepheus.delta.dk> From: hmp@delta.dk (Hans M. Pedersen) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help using a 3C589D with Linux on TP 760ED Reply-To: hmp@delta.dk Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello ! I'm not certain if this is a specific ThinkPad question, but I hope somebody can help. My setup: TP 760ED Type 9546X9A 3Com 589D pcmcia ethernet card Windows 95 Debian Linux 1.3.1 with pcmcia version 2.9.6-3 The problem is that Linux refuses to identify the netcard, while Windows works without any problems. In order to get cardmgr to work at all, I had to force it into polling mode, otherwise insertion and removal was not detected. Now it at least detects, but the card is simply identified as a read-only memory card :-( Furthermore, 'sometimes' (I can't find any patterns) cardmgr locks the machine when the card is inserted - and only the large button works after that. To me, there seems to be two possible sources of the malfunction: either the 3com card, or the PCI-PCCard bridge chip - but I have not been able to figure out which one causes the problems. Any help or suggestions will be highly appreciated. Best regards Hans -- /*******************************************************************\ * Hans Moeller Pedersen | E-mail: hmp@delta.dk * * Delta IC Design | Phone: * * Venlighedsvej 4 | General: (+45) 4586 7722 * * DK-2970 Hoersholm | Direct: (+45) 4576 7622 - ext. 411 * * DENMARK | Fax: (+45) 4586 5898 * \*******************************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 11:46:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293136763; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:46:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12338; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:33:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11921; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com ([153.113.2.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11904; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0xVJBs-0003MlC; Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:29 CST Received: from rm116736 by mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0xVJ8t-0008KFC; Tue, 11 Nov 97 10:26 CST Message-Id: From: "John P. Orwin" To: "John Walters" , Subject: Re: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:30:42 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John - I have a 750C also. I am running Win95, Netscape Communicator and Office 95. Although I would not call it "speedy", its performance is surprisingly acceptable. The most cost-effective thing you can do is upgrade the RAM. 8 MB is insufficient for WIN95 with any processor. I am running 36 MB with a 1.2 GB HD. Only you can decide if it is worth the money. John Orwin ---------- From: John Walters To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 2:06 PM I have a Thnkpad 750C - 486-33SLC; 10.4 active matrix; 8 MB RAM (4 onboard and 4 MB IC-DRAM card); 170 meg HD; PCMCIA fax/mod card. I am running WIndows 95 on the above which, as you can imagine, is very slow. I cannot upgrade the processor. I run primarily WordPerfect 7 and a time and billing package so will do some swapping. My upgrade options are as follows: 1. 16 MB IC DRAM for $125 2. 32 MB IC DRAM for $235 4. 1.4 GIG HD for $400 Does anyone have any idea what type of performance gains I could expect and if the difference in performance gains is worth the extra cost of the 32 MB card? Any thoughts on whether the total cost of the upgrade (either $525 or $635) is worth the money? Thanks for the advice. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 18:35:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073411319; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:35:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04772; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:32:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04650; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:32:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04638; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp02.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:30:43 PST Received: by ppp02.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCEEB6.0F8D2C60@ppp02.Triumf.CA>; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:25:37 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCEEB6.0F8D2C60@ppp02.Triumf.CA> From: PETER MACHULE To: John Walters , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:25:26 -0800 Encoding: 31 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bare 2.5" 12 -15 mm Hard drives are now down to $1/MB This is for the 2.x Mb size waranty is 1year minimum. Check www.pricewatch.com etc.... ..peter.. From: John Walters To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrading Thinkpad 750C Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 2:06 PM I have a Thnkpad 750C - 486-33SLC; 10.4 active matrix; 8 MB RAM (4 onboard and 4 MB IC-DRAM card); 170 meg HD; PCMCIA fax/mod card. I am running WIndows 95 on the above which, as you can imagine, is very slow. I cannot upgrade the processor. I run primarily WordPerfect 7 and a time and billing package so will do some swapping. My upgrade options are as follows: 1. 16 MB IC DRAM for $125 2. 32 MB IC DRAM for $235 4. 1.4 GIG HD for $400 Does anyone have any idea what type of performance gains I could expect and if the difference in performance gains is worth the extra cost of the 32 MB card? Any thoughts on whether the total cost of the upgrade (either $525 or $635) is worth the money? Thanks for the advice. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 22:24:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117745051; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:24:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13190; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:21:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13014; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13002; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:21:23 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xVTMs-000tj5A; Wed, 12 Nov 97 04:21 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:11:42 +0100 Message-Id: <3468d81e.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "hmp@delta.dk" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 23:11:40 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help using a 3C589D with Linux on TP 760ED Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 11 Nov 1997 14:43:38 +0100, Hans M. Pedersen wrote: > TP 760ED Type 9546X9A > 3Com 589D pcmcia ethernet card I use exactly the same Hardware with - MS-DOS 6.22 & WfW 3.11 - Win 95 - Win NT 4 SP3 - OS/2 v4 - S.u.S.E. Linux 5.0 (2.0.30 and 2.1.57) The only things that do not work yet are: - 3c589d with Win NT4 (NT says there was a resource conflict though specified resources are free) - MWave with Win-OS/2 - Seamless Windows (worked once, though) - Enhanced Video (I tried only once yet) - external floppy with Linux (I do not need it) - PCMCIA SCSI (I tried a NewMedia BusToaster, newest model, without success. Older models seem to work properly). All other things (Mwave Audio & Modem, 1024x768, 3c589d, ...) work with all of the above OS's. (XFree86 with 1024x768 works for 12 hours now - thanks to Andreas Siegert for his XF86Config!) So if I can help you by sending config's, just ask me. :-) --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 11 23:08:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124837682; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:08:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14785; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14681; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14664; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from p06.hwts15.loop.net (p06.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.231]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA04598 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 20:05:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711120405.UAA04598@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 20:56:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help using a 3C589D with Linux on TP 760ED Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >- PCMCIA SCSI (I tried a NewMedia BusToaster, newest model, without success. Older models seem >to work properly). I think that it has been discussed either here or elsewhere that the newer versions have a revision which prevent it from working with Linux. It's also in the PCMCIA faqs. Also, for those interested, YesMan seems to have the New Media SCSI card for sixty-something now, but it's too much for me. Has anyone here tried the Backpack CD-ROM (parallel port version) with OS/2 Warp 3 or 4? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 02:24:52 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154399491; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:24:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21555; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:23:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21428; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21404; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p06.hwts15.loop.net (p06.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.231]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA13253 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 23:22:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711120722.XAA13253@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 00:14:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp on ThinkPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While I was surfing the net, I stumbled across a link for the rest of us OS/2 ThinkPad users: http://www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com/ Just thought I'd post it here for everyone. And no, it's not mine (though I still put mine on). Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 03:15:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160552558; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:15:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23433; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:14:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23297; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23284; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:14:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA26623; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:12:52 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA21316; Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:15:29 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711120815.WAA21316@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP560) Blotch screen and Easyserve gripe followup To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 22:15:29 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 560 returned today; as far as I can determine from the Fedex tracking, it was shipped minutes after the Easyserve person told me that they were waiting for a new system board for it. Guess I shouldn't complain, though it does say something about lines of communication over there (and 11 days without the machine was still annoying). EPBrown and I both complained about blotchy DSTN screens; EasyServe made no effort to repair mine. I hope his luck is better. BTW, for those of you who remove trackpoint caps before shipping laptops to EasyServe, they no longer seem to automatically pop on a new one before packing up the machine. A pity. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 11:37:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230212629; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:37:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01892; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:28:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01109; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01082; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-68.usc.edu [128.125.224.68]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA26988; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:27:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112081248.00c0c694@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:28:50 -0800 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: (TP560) Blotch screen and Easyserve gripe followup Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:15 PM 11/11/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >BTW, for those of you who remove trackpoint caps before shipping laptops >to EasyServe, they no longer seem to automatically pop on a new one >before packing up the machine. A pity. Now *that's* chintzy! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 11:38:24 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230532704; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:38:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01898; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:28:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01110; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01083; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-68.usc.edu [128.125.224.68]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA26993; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:27:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19691231160000.0068e8dc@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:28:51 -0800 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: (TP560) Blotch screen and Easyserve gripe followup Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:15 PM 11/11/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >BTW, for those of you who remove trackpoint caps before shipping laptops >to EasyServe, they no longer seem to automatically pop on a new one >before packing up the machine. A pity. Now *that's* chintzy! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 12:35:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241096131; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05716; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05523; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05496; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:32:29 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 8625654D.006070C0 ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:33:23 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: rwhittle@usa.net Message-Id: <8625654D.00600E22.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:32:24 -0500 Subject: Re: (TP560) Blotch screen and Easyserve gripe followup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>At 10:15 PM 11/11/97 HST, David Ross wrote: >>>BTW, for those of you who remove trackpoint caps before shipping laptops >to EasyServe, they no longer seem to automatically pop on a new one >before packing up the machine. A pity. >> >>Now *that's* chintzy! >> >>------- >>Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >>Director, Electronic Commerce Program >>Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California chintzy that folks try to monge a free trackpoint cap? or that IBM won't replace a consumable anymore? ;-) Rich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 15:53:09 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285637988; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:53:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20116; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:46:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19887; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:46:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19867; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28680; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:44:47 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23016; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:47:23 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711122047.KAA23016@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: (TP560) Blotch screen and Easyserve gripe followup To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:47:23 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, rwhittle@usa.net In-Reply-To: <8625654D.00600E22.00@passnotes.share.org>; from "Rich_Chong@mail.share.org" at Nov 12, 97 11:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rich wrote: > > chintzy that folks try to monge a free trackpoint cap? or that IBM won't > replace a consumable anymore? ;-) Chintzy? Monge? IBM used to replace these for free as a matter of policy; see http://ike.engr.washington.edu/arch/usenet/ps2/9501.2/msg00039.html for example. I was merely trying to save them postage. Perhaps you think I'm trying to rip off the Post Office! I hate it when people other than me are snide:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 15:56:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA286778193; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:56:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20487; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:53:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20404; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20384; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28763; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:51:52 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23023; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:54:29 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711122054.KAA23023@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP560) Line-in volume (and portable CDROM) question To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:54:28 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've just installed a portable CDROM drive on my TP560 (a refurb >from CMS Enhancements, BTW - light and fast, though fatter than my 560!), and have patched the drive's line-out to the TP's line-in for playing CD Audio. However, I can't seem to get very much volume, even with the line-in volume slider maxed out. For example, if I'm playing a song, and close a window, the 'closing window' sound effect is substantially louder than the song, even though I have the slider for .WAV files only at half max. Any suggestions? (Other than: "Don't play CD audio through your thinkpad...") - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 18:21:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA022326886; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:21:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29019; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:19:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28896; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:19:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from espresso.2xtreme.net (espresso.2xtreme.net [208.147.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28877; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from hysterium ([209.21.55.84]) by espresso.2xtreme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-34955U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA253 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:18:53 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971112151839.03b93b6c@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:18:39 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: re 701/560 question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, Long time since I've posted anything to the list, so hello again :) I ran across a 560P at MicroWarehouse for $1289 today. (P133/8 MB/2.1 G) A couple of questions: - is this a good price? - I have a 701CS now which has a 16MB memory module in it. Any chance I'd be able to move it to the 560? - has anyone else moved from a 701 to a 560 that could share their impressions with me? I'm awfully fond of my 701, but I've gotten used to the P166 desktop I have and use most of the time. Barring any earth-shattering news about the upgrade project (when do we hear about that?), I've been toying with the idea of getting a Pentium machine before my next really long business trip. cheers, Dale ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary email: geige@usa.net Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 18:36:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025607774; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:36:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29910; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:35:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:35:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29832; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from espresso.2xtreme.net (espresso.2xtreme.net [208.147.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29819; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hysterium ([209.21.55.84]) by espresso.2xtreme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-34955U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA318 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:34:47 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971112153438.03b93b3c@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:34:38 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: re 701/560 question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu *** Sorry to send this again...I forgot to mention it has an active matrix screen as well. *** Hi all, Long time since I've posted anything to the list, so hello again :) I ran across a 560P at MicroWarehouse for $1289 today. (P133/8 MB/2.1 G) A couple of questions: - is this a good price? - I have a 701CS now which has a 16MB memory module in it. Any chance I'd be able to move it to the 560? - has anyone else moved from a 701 to a 560 that could share their impressions with me? I'm awfully fond of my 701, but I've gotten used to the P166 desktop I have and use most of the time. Barring any earth-shattering news about the upgrade project (when do we hear about that?), I've been toying with the idea of getting a Pentium machine before my next really long business trip. cheers, Dale ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary email: geige@usa.net Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 19:02:36 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031209355; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:02:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01113; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01029; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01015; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:01:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (port22-quit.netpathway.com [208.137.139.37]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28008 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:01:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199711130001.SAA28008@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: re 701/560 question Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:03:09 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just checked the MicroWarehouse site www.microwarehouse.com - the 560 listed for $1289 is for the 11.3" dual scan model, not the active matrix screen. The 560 with the 12.1" active screen is $2389. I had to double check that, since it sounded too good to be true! Still, $2389 for the TFT version is not that bad of a price from what I have seen. I believe that the 560 uses EDO DRAM, so the 701 memory (along with other considerations) is not compatible. Unfortunatley I've never used a 560, so I can't comment on the rest. However, Emanuel Brown recently bought one of these and posted a review on comp.sys.laptops. This review is probably on his web page now. Here is the address: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Hope this helps... Eric Giles > From: Dale Chao > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: re 701/560 question > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 5:34 PM > > *** > Sorry to send this again...I forgot to mention it has an active matrix > screen as well. > *** > > > Hi all, > > Long time since I've posted anything to the list, so hello again :) > > I ran across a 560P at MicroWarehouse for $1289 today. (P133/8 MB/2.1 G) A > couple of questions: > - is this a good price? > - I have a 701CS now which has a 16MB memory module in it. Any chance > I'd be able to move it to the 560? > - has anyone else moved from a 701 to a 560 that could share their > impressions with me? > > I'm awfully fond of my 701, but I've gotten used to the P166 desktop I have > and use most of the time. Barring any earth-shattering news about the > upgrade project (when do we hear about that?), I've been toying with the > idea of getting a Pentium machine before my next really long business trip. > > cheers, > Dale > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dale Chao > Concord, California > > Primary email: geige@usa.net > Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net > > 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) > 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 12 22:46:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072802802; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:46:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09665; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09560; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09545; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:44:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8925 invoked by alias); 13 Nov 1997 03:44:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8909 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 03:44:36 -0000 Received: from 150.usr4.2xtreme.net (HELO hysterium) (208.147.53.150) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 03:44:36 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971112194409.03bfe640@espresso.2xtreme.net> X-Sender: geige@espresso.2xtreme.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:44:09 -0800 To: "Eric Giles" , From: Dale Chao Subject: Re: re 701/560 question In-Reply-To: <199711130001.SAA28008@sammy.netpathway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yikes, of course, you're right. Dual scan it is. I should learn how to read one of these days... :) Well, it was nice thinking about it. At 06:03 PM 11/12/97 -0600, you wrote: >I just checked the MicroWarehouse site www.microwarehouse.com - the 560 >listed for $1289 is for the 11.3" dual scan model, not the active matrix >screen. The 560 with the 12.1" active screen is $2389. > >I had to double check that, since it sounded too good to be true! Still, >$2389 for the TFT version is not that bad of a price from what I have seen. > >I believe that the 560 uses EDO DRAM, so the 701 memory (along with other >considerations) is not compatible. > >Unfortunatley I've never used a 560, so I can't comment on the rest. >However, Emanuel Brown recently bought one of these and posted a review on >comp.sys.laptops. This review is probably on his web page now. Here is the >address: > >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown > >Hope this helps... > >Eric Giles > >> From: Dale Chao >> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: re 701/560 question >> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 5:34 PM >> >> *** >> Sorry to send this again...I forgot to mention it has an active matrix >> screen as well. >> *** >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> Long time since I've posted anything to the list, so hello again :) >> >> I ran across a 560P at MicroWarehouse for $1289 today. (P133/8 MB/2.1 G) >A >> couple of questions: >> - is this a good price? >> - I have a 701CS now which has a 16MB memory module in it. Any chance >> I'd be able to move it to the 560? >> - has anyone else moved from a 701 to a 560 that could share their >> impressions with me? >> >> I'm awfully fond of my 701, but I've gotten used to the P166 desktop I >have >> and use most of the time. Barring any earth-shattering news about the >> upgrade project (when do we hear about that?), I've been toying with the >> idea of getting a Pentium machine before my next really long business >trip. >> >> cheers, >> Dale >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Dale Chao >> Concord, California >> >> Primary email: geige@usa.net >> Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net >> >> 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) >> 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary email: geige@usa.net Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 00:10:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086647816; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:10:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12325; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:09:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:08:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12223; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:08:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12211; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-24.usc.edu [128.125.222.96]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA20183; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:08:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971112210939.00e54528@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:09:47 -0800 To: Dale Chao From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: re 701/560 question Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:34 PM 11/12/97 -0800, Dale Chao wrote: >*** >Sorry to send this again...I forgot to mention it has an active matrix >screen as well. >*** > > >Hi all, > >Long time since I've posted anything to the list, so hello again :) > >I ran across a 560P at MicroWarehouse for $1289 today. (P133/8 MB/2.1 G) A >couple of questions: > - is this a good price? I'm amazed. Not to mention a little tempted (though all I'd get out of it is a move from my P120 to a P133). > - I have a 701CS now which has a 16MB memory module in it. Any chance > I'd be able to move it to the 560? Nope. > - has anyone else moved from a 701 to a 560 that could share their > impressions with me? Yup. And I think that price is a hell of a deal. Must be clearance time to make way for the new versions of the 560X or whatever they call it. I don't know if anyone keeps archives, but eons ago I wrote a direct comparison of the two machines when I upgraded. >I'm awfully fond of my 701, but I've gotten used to the P166 desktop I have >and use most of the time. Barring any earth-shattering news about the >upgrade project (when do we hear about that?), I've been toying with the Sorry for the delay. I'm awaiting delivery of a CD-ROM for the WinTune 98 benchmark. Want to run all of these on the pre-upgraded machine before I send it in for the upgrade (though I suppose all of you could--and should--run the benchmarks on your own machines so an aggregate set of figures can be had). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 00:23:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088188586; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:23:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13173; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13103; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13090; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA01510; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:19:17 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA23796; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:21:55 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711130521.TAA23796@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: re 701/560 question To: geige@usa.net (Dale Chao) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 19:21:55 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971112153438.03b93b3c@pop.netaddress.com>; from "Dale Chao" at Nov 12, 97 3:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I ran across a 560P at MicroWarehouse for $1289 today. (P133/8 MB/2.1 G) A > couple of questions: > - is this a good price? Yes, though not unusual - everyone seems to have this machine at this price plus-or-minus $30 (some include good deals on memory). > - I have a 701CS now which has a 16MB memory module in it. Any chance > I'd be able to move it to the 560? No. Interestingly, memory for the 560 is cheaper than memory for the 701. > - has anyone else moved from a 701 to a 560 that could share their > impressions with me? The 701 is much neater and better-thought-through than the 560. The 560 is lighter (and of course faster), has a bigger screen. I liked my 701's footprint more (especially when I used the floppy, which I could tuck under the wing), but I doubt I could go back. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 01:42:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102343375; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:42:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15799; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:40:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15608; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15575; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts00.loop.net (p19.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27504; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:39:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130639.WAA27504@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Rich_Chong@mail.share.org" Cc: "rwhittle@usa.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 23:31:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ((TPall) Trackpoint caps Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:47:23 HST, David Ross wrote: >Rich wrote: >> >> chintzy that folks try to monge a free trackpoint cap? or that IBM won't >> replace a consumable anymore? ;-) > >Chintzy? Monge? IBM used to replace these for free as a matter of policy; see >http://ike.engr.washington.edu/arch/usenet/ps2/9501.2/msg00039.html >for example. I was merely trying to save them postage. Perhaps you think >I'm trying to rip off the Post Office! > >I hate it when people other than me are snide:-) > >- David > > You mean save them .01 ounces or something ridiculously low like that? Give me a break. Actually, I forgot to take mine off the first time, but the second time, I got a new one only because they replaced the keyboard. Which they might have to do again, whenever I get a backup machine. Now let's go on to real topics - what's going on with the 701 upgrade thread? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 01:43:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102423387; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:43:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15796; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:41:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15661; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15647; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts00.loop.net (p19.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27563; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:40:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130640.WAA27563@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 23:32:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TP560) Line-in volume (and portable CDROM) question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:54:28 HST, David Ross wrote: >I've just installed a portable CDROM drive on my TP560 (a refurb >from CMS Enhancements, BTW - light and fast, though fatter than my >560!), and have patched the drive's line-out to the TP's line-in >for playing CD Audio. However, I can't seem to get very much volume, >even with the line-in volume slider maxed out. For example, if I'm >playing a song, and close a window, the 'closing window' sound effect >is substantially louder than the song, even though I have the slider for >.WAV files only at half max. Any suggestions? (Other than: "Don't play >CD audio through your thinkpad...") > >- David > > Why not play it through the headphone jack, or get an amplifier from Radio Shack? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 01:47:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102913652; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:47:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16169; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:46:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16092; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:46:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16076; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts00.loop.net (p19.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27761; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:45:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130645.WAA27761@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dale Chao" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 23:37:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re 701/560 question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:09:47 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > I don't know if anyone keeps archives, but eons ago I wrote a direct >comparison of the two machines when I upgraded. > If you want email archives, ask me. I have about 10 megs of past email, though some is compressed. > Sorry for the delay. I'm awaiting delivery of a CD-ROM for the WinTune 98 >benchmark. Want to run all of these on the pre-upgraded machine before I >send it in for the upgrade (though I suppose all of you could--and >should--run the benchmarks on your own machines so an aggregate set of >figures can be had). > Didn't someone say there was an OS/2 Benchmark for those of us who have Warped machines? And where can I get this? Would that count in the results, Randal? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 01:49:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103133788; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:49:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16419; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:48:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16307; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16268; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 01:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts00.loop.net (p19.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.34]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA05219; Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:47:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711130647.WAA05219@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dale Chao" , "David Ross" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 23:39:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: re 701/560 question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Nov 97 19:21:55 HST, David Ross wrote: >The 701 is much neater and better-thought-through than the 560. The 560 >is lighter (and of course faster), has a bigger screen. I liked my >701's footprint more (especially when I used the floppy, which I could >tuck under the wing), but I doubt I could go back. > >- David > > I actually wouldn't mind going to a different machine, such as the 755 or the 760, with OS/2, of course. I can't stand the Trackwrite keyboard, because again I am having keyboard problems. I would rather have a heavier machine with one less problem - the keyboard ALWAYS folding in and out. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 02:35:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111086519; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:35:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18051; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:34:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:34:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17972; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:34:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17956; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stork.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:33:56 +0000 Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by stork.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id HAA12648; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:33:55 GMT Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:31:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP755-Dock1-ISA soundcards? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, I've just rejoined the list after a few months' absence; I was wondering if you could help me with the follwing: I've had a TP755c for some time now, and I recently bought a second hand DockI docking station to use with it. This has an ISA slot in it, as you may know. Thing is, I'm trying to get various cards to work in it, and they all seem to have problems, except an 8-bit Soundblaster. Some cards make the machine refuse to boot altogether, e.g. Ensoniq Soundscape; others such as the Soundblaster AWE32 will allow the machine to work - with considerable tweaking, e.g. disabling EMM386 - but as soon as Win95 (OSR2) tries to do a 'detect' run, the whole thing bombs. Nothing will detect the soundcard, either - even DOS games. As you've probably gathered, it's the Awe32 that I really want to get working - has anyone out there had any luck with this? Thanks in advance, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 08:33:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152788027; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:33:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06492; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:31:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06326; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from shrike.depaul.edu (root@shrike.depaul.edu [140.192.1.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06311; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [140.192.157.74] (eraser26.dpo.depaul.edu [140.192.157.74]) by shrike.depaul.edu (8.8.3/8.5) with SMTP id HAA16967; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:30:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199711131330.HAA16967@shrike.depaul.edu> To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post Subject: RE: External Floppy enclosure kit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 07:31:20 -0500 From: Pat Vellender X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -- [ From: Pat Vellender * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- On Nov. 10, Michael Fukatsu said: >> Can anyone tell me a cheap source to get one of those external floppy enclosure kits? I have a TP755CD and I've seen the enclosure and cable going for about $150 6 months ago. That's kinda steep just to use the floppy and the CDrom at the same time. If anyone can tell me a good source I'd apreciate it. << Mike, I just bought one yesterday for my 760EL from Computer Discount Warehouse for $117 plus tax. Their website is www.cdw.com. The IBM part number is 66G3618. Check out the specs at http://www.ca.pc.ibm.com/products/2d9e.html . Also, I understand from Bill Morrow (Thinkpad expert found in the Compuserve Thinkpad forum and at www.morrow.com or www.thinkpad.com) that you can use the Thinkpad external floppy from the 701/500 (IBM part #10H4056) and the external floppy cable (IBM part #25H4879) from the 701 with the 760EL. IBM could not confirm that this worked, but Bill insisted that it would. The advantage to this is the 701 floppy is smaller than the external floppy attach kit. If you try the 701 floppy setup, please let me know if it works. Pat V. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 12:34:02 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221762441; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:34:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19811; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:23 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19332; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id MAA12079; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fermi.cnam.fr (fermi.cnam.fr [163.173.128.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05733; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from (eronald@localhost) by fermi.cnam.fr (8.8.8/jpm-301097) id OAA14527 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:18:21 +0100 (MET) From: Edmund Ronald Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:18:21 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199711131318.OAA14527@fermi.cnam.fr> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: this list getting spammed too much Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi folks, I read this list for a couple of years, and guess I'm entitled to because I own a 760 EL. However, the spam merchants seem to grab adresses off this list, and I'm now getting 30% spam in my email, with none in another accoutnnt which has no lists. So, I wonder if we couldn't move to a web based formt which would keep our emailboxes free for the personal stuff... Sorry about this adminstatrivial post but I'm getting really upset, and may simply unsub. Edmund. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 12:56:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233033815; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21906; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:55:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21789; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from kensey.clearstation.com (kensey.clearstation.com [207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21777; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA03193; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:39:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:39:19 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Fairclough X-Sender: kensey@kensey To: Edmund Ronald Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (TP) this list getting spammed too much In-Reply-To: <199711131318.OAA14527@fermi.cnam.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu really ? i dont notice this at all. 30% of this list is spam ? btw, the adherence to coherence in the Subject: has been most helpful. why dont you filter thinkpad stuff to a seperate mail folder ? you can do this on every operating environment, whether your using pine on unix, or eudora on the pc or mac. this is the key for me to being on about 5 high traffic lists, and ultimately where the responsibility lies. the only thing i see in my inbox _is_ personal stuff. doug On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Edmund Ronald wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I read this list for a couple of years, and guess I'm entitled to because > I own a 760 EL. However, the spam merchants seem to grab adresses off this > list, and I'm now getting 30% spam in my email, with none in another accoutnnt > which has no lists. > > So, I wonder if we couldn't move to a web based formt which would keep > our emailboxes free for the personal stuff... > > Sorry about this adminstatrivial post but I'm getting really upset, > and may simply unsub. > > Edmund. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 12:59:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234923991; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:59:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22181; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:58:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22108; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom16.netcom.com (phr@netcom16.netcom.com [192.100.81.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22036; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA23750 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:58:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:58:17 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199711131758.JAA23750@netcom16.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: where to get trackpoint caps? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where to get replacement Trackpoint caps these days? There used to be an IBM 800 number where you could order them, but I remember hearing it's been shut down. None of the Thinkpad dealers I've asked have them available. It's really annoying. I'd like to have about 100 of them on hand for when supplies dry up like this, but IBM was charging $5 for three of them instead of 10 cents apiece or so like they should be. thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 13:03:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236374191; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:03:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22696; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:00:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22321; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22234; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA09315; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:02:25 -0800 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:02:24 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Edmund Ronald Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: this list getting spammed too much In-Reply-To: <199711131318.OAA14527@fermi.cnam.fr> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Edmund Ronald wrote: > I read this list for a couple of years, and guess I'm entitled to because > I own a 760 EL. However, the spam merchants seem to grab adresses off this > list, and I'm now getting 30% spam in my email, with none in another accoutnnt > which has no lists. I get very close to no spam in my email and have posted significant amounts here over the last year or so. I usually average less than one per week unless I accidentally post something to Usenet using my true email address. Then it picks up to 5-7 or so per week for a couple of weeks. I really don't think the lowlife excrement waste of skin spam mongers are pulling addresses from this mailing list. I tend to retaliate to spam in a somewhat hostile manner and always complain to their ISP's whenever possible. I have no mail filters set up and see everything that comes in. Being the sysadmin of my own system helps since I can send mail from root to their ISP's and it may add a little more credibility to what I tell them. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 13:21:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA244685292; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:21:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24140; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24027; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23988; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:19:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711131819.NAA23988@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from merlin.netnevada.net [208.218.122.12] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id A491EF013C; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:18:57 PST8PDT X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Beta 5 (build 211) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:18:04 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: Re: this list getting spammed too much Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=A0 I tend to retaliate to spam in a somewhat hostile manner and always >complain to their ISP's whenever possible.=A0 I have no mail filters set= up >and see everything that comes in.=A0 Being the sysadmin of my own system >helps since I can send mail from root to their ISP's and it may add a >little more credibility to what I tell them. Ditto. I go a step further in that if I ever fill anything out on the ne= t, I use either a modified version of my address, like merlin-ms@... My ma= il server will automatically create a sub box of my own called "ms" if a message is recieved to that address. Then I just check it with an IMAP client every week or so, so I can see if I have recieved any spam in thos= e boxes, and then I know who sold my name. IE< on my comdex badge, I registered as admin-comdex@netnevada.net. That way, when I get junk emai= l in that box, I'll know where it originated. ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 13:41:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254516509; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:41:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25485; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:38:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25358; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from arthur.cs.purdue.edu (0@arthur.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25339; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from interbase8.cs.purdue.edu (625@interbase8.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.7.108]) by arthur.cs.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/PURDUE_CS-2.0) with ESMTP id NAA21096 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from khatib@localhost) by interbase8.cs.purdue.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/PURDUE_CS-2.0) id NAA20800 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:37:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Wasfi G. Al-Khatib" Message-Id: <199711131837.NAA20800@interbase8.cs.purdue.edu> Subject: keyboard got messed up To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:37:39 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, I'm using win 95 on a 755CD IBM thinkpad. The keyboard keys are not printing what each one is supposed to. Is there any key combination by which I can reset the keyboard to its original settings? Thanks alot, --Wasfi Al-Khatib From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 13:51:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259237103; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:51:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26308; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:49:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26100; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com (uu6.psi.com [38.145.155.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26077; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from designcraft.com by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA01055 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Nov 97 13:47:56 -0500 Received: from dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net by dccomm.designcraft.com id aa15875; 13 Nov 97 12:44 CST Received: by dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCF032.4C920400@dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:47:28 -0600 Message-Id: <01BCF032.4C920400@dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post , "'Pat Vellender'" Subject: RE: External Floppy enclosure kit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:47:26 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BCF032.4C920400" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF032.4C920400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pat, Thanks for the pointer to CDW for the external floppy enclosure. Here is CDW's description: 66G3618 EXTERNAL FLOPPY DRIVE ATTACHES TO THE PORT REPLICATORS OR THE DOCKING STATION. FEATURES: CONVERTS INTERNAL REMOVEABLE FDD INTO EXTERNAL FDD COMPATIBLE SYSTEMS: ALL NEWER THINKPADS W/ REMOVEABLE FDD WILL NOT WORK WITH: THINKPAD 500/510CS AND 730T INCLUDES: ENCLOSURE BEZEL INSTRUCTIONS USED WITH THE REMOVABLE FLOPPY FROM THE THINK PAD. I have a 755CD without a dock or port replicator. Can I still use this encloser? If so, where does the floppy cable attach? Thanks, Aaron Brown ------ =_NextPart_000_01BCF032.4C920400-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 14:01:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265047713; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:01:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27021; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26892; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26870; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8) with SMTP id NAA21048 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:59:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCF03C.89D62CB0@ntmail.tiac.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:46 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Edmund Ronald'" , "'Doug Fairclough'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: (TP) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Doug wrote: >>why dont you filter thinkpad stuff to a seperate mail folder ? >>you can do this on every operating environment, whether your using >>pine on unix, or eudora on the pc or mac. > >>this is the key for me to being on about 5 high traffic lists, >>and ultimately where the responsibility lies. the only thing i >>see in my inbox _is_ personal stuff. > I was surprised to see that even Netscape 2.02 (I use the OS/2 version) supports this but it does not seem to be mentioned too much. There is a file in the mail directory called sort.dat that is edited with a text editor. My method is that almost all the mailing list stuff goes to folders and that the personal and spam stuff goes to the inbox. I just delete the spam stuff. The other benefit is related stuff gets grouped together in the folders and I do not have to move it if I want it and it is a quick delete if I do not want it. BTW I really only post to this list with this address and so far no spam at all. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 15:14:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA299672069; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:14:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02255; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:13:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:10:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01930; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01918; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18099; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:08:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971113120845.007caca0@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:08:45 -0800 To: "Aaron W. Brown" , Thinkpad Mailing List - New Post , "'Pat Vellender'" From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: RE: External Floppy enclosure kit In-Reply-To: <01BCF032.4C920400@dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:47 PM 11/13/97 -0600, Aaron W. Brown wrote: >Pat, > Thanks for the pointer to CDW for the external floppy enclosure. Here is CDW's description: [snip...] > >I have a 755CD without a dock or port replicator. Can I still use this encloser? If so, where does the floppy cable attach? > >Thanks, >Aaron Brown > > Nope, only a docking station or port replicator has the external floppy connector. You can always go out and buy a Dock1, mine was less expensive than the floppy enclosure... sigh... -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 15:17:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002062237; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:17:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02558; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:15:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:14:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02362; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02326; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA18290; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:13:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971113121319.007bbb10@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:13:19 -0800 To: Edmund Ronald , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: this list getting spammed too much In-Reply-To: <199711131318.OAA14527@fermi.cnam.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Use a filter..., all the spam I get is controllable when you use a filter. I subscribe to this list, as well as 7 linux mailing lists, and filters just make life that much easier. BTW, I personally don't like web based forums because if you have a shell account you are accessing with a terminal, web browsing is out. (unless the web page designer makes the pages lynx friendly...) -Mike At 02:18 PM 11/13/97 +0100, Edmund Ronald wrote: > >Hi folks, > > I read this list for a couple of years, and guess I'm entitled to because >I own a 760 EL. However, the spam merchants seem to grab adresses off this >list, and I'm now getting 30% spam in my email, with none in another accoutnnt >which has no lists. > > So, I wonder if we couldn't move to a web based formt which would keep >our emailboxes free for the personal stuff... > > Sorry about this adminstatrivial post but I'm getting really upset, >and may simply unsub. > >Edmund. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 16:42:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042607365; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:42:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07420; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:40:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07144; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07129; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:40:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA04537; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:38:15 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA26224; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:40:54 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711132140.LAA26224@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: where to get trackpoint caps? To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 11:40:53 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711131758.JAA23750@netcom16.netcom.com>; from "Paul Rubin" at Nov 13, 97 9:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This may not be in effect any longer: http://ike.engr.washington.edu/arch/usenet/ps2/9501.2/msg00039.html BTW, IBM seems pretty committed to trackpoint technology (they've just come out with a mouse with a trackpoint between the buttons, for easy document scrolling), so I wouldn't worry about stockpiling! - David > > Does anyone know where to get replacement Trackpoint caps > these days? There used to be an IBM 800 number where you could > order them, but I remember hearing it's been shut down. > None of the Thinkpad dealers I've asked have them available. > It's really annoying. I'd like to have about 100 of them on > hand for when supplies dry up like this, but IBM was charging > $5 for three of them instead of 10 cents apiece or so like > they should be. > thanks > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 16:47:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045547667; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:47:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06919; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:33:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06724; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06706; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05503; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:33:13 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA05497; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:33:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19971113043433.009bd470@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:34:33 -0500 To: Michael Fukatsu , "Aaron W. Brown" , Thinkpad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: External Floppy enclosure kit In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19971113120845.007caca0@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> References: <01BCF032.4C920400@dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:08 PM 11/13/97 -0800, Michael Fukatsu wrote: >>I have a 755CD without a dock or port replicator. Can I still use this >>encloser? If so, where does the floppy cable attach? >> >Nope, only a docking station or port replicator has the external floppy >connector. You can always go out and buy a Dock1, mine was less expensive >than the floppy enclosure... sigh... > Huh? The 760's have the external floppy connector on the back just above the docking station connector. I'm not sure about the 755CD, but Aaron can look at his and see if it's there. Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 17:19:11 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA061469551; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:19:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09759; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:14:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09546; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from uu6.psi.com (uu6.psi.com [38.145.155.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09532; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:14:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from designcraft.com by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA17461 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Nov 97 17:14:30 -0500 Received: from dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net by dccomm.designcraft.com id aa16344; 13 Nov 97 16:10 CST Received: by dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BCF04F.26D1D660@dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net>; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:14:00 -0600 Message-Id: <01BCF04F.26D1D660@dyn-max15-115.chicago.il.ameritech.net> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: RE: External Floppy enclosure kit Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 16:13:58 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to those who responded to my confusion about external floppy = enclosures. To summarize (and verify), it appears that the 75x series would need = (the external floppy connector of) a docking station to utilize the = external floppy enclosure kit. The 75x series has no external floppy = port built in. On the other hand a 76x series could use the kit without a docking = station or port replicator because it has an external floppy port built = in. It appears that even though designed for a dock, the connector and = wiring are the same for a 76x external floppy port. IBM should be = praised for not making a trivial and incompatible change to external = floppy ports as Thinkpad models mature. Please post any corrections. Thanks to those who responded. Aaron. I wrote: >>I have a 755CD without a dock or port replicator. Can I still use = this >>encloser? If so, where does the floppy cable attach? >> Mike wrote: >Nope, only a docking station or port replicator has the external floppy >connector. You can always go out and buy a Dock1, mine was less = expensive than the floppy >enclosure... sigh... > Pat wrote: However, I checked it out with IBM's Easyserv to verify that the = kit would work with the 760EL. =20 Jane Wrote: >Huh? The 760's have the external floppy connector on the back just = above >the docking station connector. I'm not sure about the 755CD, but Aaron = can look at his and see if >it's there. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 18:44:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101774639; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:43:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14326; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:41:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14157; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14135; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:41:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts03.loop.net (p24.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.129]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25869; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:40:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711132340.PAA25869@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:32:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: where to get trackpoint caps? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:58:17 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: >Does anyone know where to get replacement Trackpoint caps >these days? There used to be an IBM 800 number where you could >order them, but I remember hearing it's been shut down. >None of the Thinkpad dealers I've asked have them available. >It's really annoying. I'd like to have about 100 of them on >hand for when supplies dry up like this, but IBM was charging >$5 for three of them instead of 10 cents apiece or so like >they should be. >thanks > I know PCs Compleat used to have them, but they said they're all out. Maybe CompUSA has them since they are related. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 18:53:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106315194; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:53:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15060; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:51:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14909; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14851; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts03.loop.net (p24.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.129]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA26193; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:48:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711132348.PAA26193@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "Doug Fairclough" , "Edmund Ronald" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:40:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: (TP) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:44 -0500, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >BTW I really only post to this list with this address and so >far no spam at all. > >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > I have almost never recived spam, unless the Poopsales stuff counts. And I setup filters on my mailer, PMMail 1.95a for OS/2, which sort mail >from friends, this list, and other stuff directly to different folders, and notify me with a wave file. Maybe we could single out why one person gets spam, and others, like myself, get none, or close to that. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 18:53:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106465202; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:53:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14637; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:46:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14551; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14539; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 18:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts03.loop.net (p24.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.129]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10474; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:45:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711132345.PAA10474@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Wasfi G. Al-Khatib" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 16:37:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: keyboard got messed up Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:37:39 -0500 (EST), Wasfi G. Al-Khatib wrote: >hi, > I'm using win 95 on a 755CD IBM thinkpad. The keyboard keys >are not printing what each one is supposed to. Is there any key >combination by which I can reset the keyboard to its original >settings? >Thanks alot, > >--Wasfi Al-Khatib > Maybe you have an incorrect codepage in your system's configuration. I don't know about codepages that much for either OS/2 or Windows NT/95, but I think another person on this list knows. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 13 20:56:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA162862618; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:56:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20746; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:53:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20570; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20546; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA08710; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:52:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971113175203.007b1c00@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:52:03 -0800 To: "Wasfi G. Al-Khatib" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: keyboard got messed up In-Reply-To: <199711131837.NAA20800@interbase8.cs.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do you have the numlock on? -Mike At 01:37 PM 11/13/97 -0500, Wasfi G. Al-Khatib wrote: >hi, > I'm using win 95 on a 755CD IBM thinkpad. The keyboard keys >are not printing what each one is supposed to. Is there any key >combination by which I can reset the keyboard to its original >settings? >Thanks alot, > >--Wasfi Al-Khatib > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 00:55:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA270286933; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:55:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00925; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:52:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00780; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00768; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-57.usc.edu [128.125.223.201]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA26104; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:52:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971113090534.00e65c7c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:53:40 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: re 701/560 question Cc: "Dale Chao" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:37 PM 11/12/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:09:47 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >> I don't know if anyone keeps archives, but eons ago I wrote a direct >>comparison of the two machines when I upgraded. >> >If you want email archives, ask me. I have about 10 megs of past email, though >some is compressed. I wrote it over a year ago. I don't think you were on the list then. >> Sorry for the delay. I'm awaiting delivery of a CD-ROM for the WinTune 98 >>benchmark. Want to run all of these on the pre-upgraded machine before I >>send it in for the upgrade (though I suppose all of you could--and >>should--run the benchmarks on your own machines so an aggregate set of >>figures can be had). >> >Didn't someone say there was an OS/2 Benchmark for those of us who have >Warped machines? And where can I get this? Would that count in the results, >Randal? The gentleman who had an OS/2 disk was going to bring it over *after* I had the upgrade done. For the "before" results, I suggest you talk to him. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 02:02:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001170963; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:02:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03085; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:01:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02941; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02929; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from jay (user-2k7i55r.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.20.187]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA12375 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:01:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <346BF705.6D76@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:00:21 -0600 From: jay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 355Cs Password Removal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently acquired a 355Cs (type 2619-K20) from Electric Ave. & More. As some of you may know the store is going out of buisness. Anyway, some joker came into the store and put a power-on password on this laptop. So, they sold it cheap. My point is: How do I remove this password? I've already contacted an IBM service center and they want too much money. I am looking for a way around it. If anyone could be of assistance I would most certainly appreciate it. Thanks. -jay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 06:10:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA098165836; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:10:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18024; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:09:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17899; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17887; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4796 invoked by uid 30256); 14 Nov 1997 11:08:54 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:08:54 +0100 (MET) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Wasfi G. Al-Khatib" Subject: Re: keyboard got messed up In-Reply-To: <199711132345.PAA10474@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:37:39 -0500 (EST), Wasfi G. Al-Khatib wrote: > > >hi, > > I'm using win 95 on a 755CD IBM thinkpad. The keyboard keys > >are not printing what each one is supposed to. Is there any key > >combination by which I can reset the keyboard to its original > >settings? > >Thanks alot, > > > Maybe you have an incorrect codepage in your system's configuration. I don't > know about codepages that much for either OS/2 or Windows NT/95, but I think > another person on this list knows. The easiest way to change the code pages in OS/2 is to go into selective install and choose the country for the keyboard. The according code page shall then be installed automatically. My advice is that you install the code pages this way, and not bby changeing the values in the config.sys file. (there are more parameters than one to change). In windows 95 I'm not that sure how you do it since I haven't used it in a long time, but I guess you take a look at the keyboard settings in the Control Panel. CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 09:38:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186808322; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:38:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26701; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:36:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26542; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:36:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26483; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts15.loop.net (p11.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.236]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA24651; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:34:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711141434.GAA24651@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jay" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 07:26:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 355Cs Password Removal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:00:21 -0600, jay wrote: >I recently acquired a 355Cs (type 2619-K20) from Electric Ave. & More. >As some of you may know the store is going out of buisness. Anyway, >some joker came into the store and put a power-on password on this >laptop. So, they sold it cheap. My point is: How do I remove this >password? I've already contacted an IBM service center and they want >too much money. I am looking for a way around it. >If anyone could be of assistance I would most certainly appreciate it. >Thanks. > >-jay > If you can't replace the system boards, that's nearly impossible, since this notebook uses an Intel flash chip. To remove the password, you would enter in the correct password, and I think press the space bar, and then enter. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 10:40:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216072043; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:40:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01815; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:37:15 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01439; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id KAA28046; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17736; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:03:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4736 invoked by uid 30256); 14 Nov 1997 11:03:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:03:02 +0100 (MET) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: Jane Loyless Cc: Michael Fukatsu , "Aaron W. Brown" , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: RE: External Floppy enclosure kit In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19971113043433.009bd470@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Jane Loyless wrote: > Huh? The 760's have the external floppy connector on the back just above > the docking station connector. I'm not sure about the 755CD, but Aaron can > look at his and see if it's there. Yes, on the 760 machines the connector is on the computer, but on the 755 CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 12:52:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA277569926; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:52:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12421; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:42:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12038; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:42:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12025; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:42:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA14009 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:41:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:41:35 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199711141741.JAA14009@netcom10.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: power-on passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Procedures for removing power-on passwords used to be documented in the Thinkpad hardware ref manuals, but seem to have been removed in the last few weeks. They vary from model to model but go along the lines of shorting two pins together near the SIMM socket. I knew I should have saved copies of that stuff :((( From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 12:55:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278890143; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:55:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12909; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:52:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12750; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12706; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA07007; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:52:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:52:22 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann To: "Wasfi G. Al-Khatib" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: keyboard got messed up Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You may have also changed your keyboard selection. In Control Panels/Keyboard/Input Locales, make sure you are using the correct location; usually English (United States) with Layout US. I have the US-Dvorak layout installed as well, and it translates all the keys to the Dvorak (or American Simplified) layout. "In the last film I ever saw, they kept the change and they told lies." Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 13:51:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007233496; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:51:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16050; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:45:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:44:35 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15906; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA29301; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:44:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fermi.cnam.fr (fermi.cnam.fr [163.173.128.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15376; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:35:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from (eronald@localhost) by fermi.cnam.fr (8.8.8/jpm-301097) id TAA15310 ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:35:26 +0100 (MET) From: Edmund Ronald Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:35:26 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199711141835.TAA15310@fermi.cnam.fr> To: ecottrell@Doble.com, eronald@cnam.fr, kensey@clearstation.com Subject: RE: (TP) Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'"@cnam.fr, Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok- I complained about spam, maybe from odious vipers grabbing adresses off this list. People tell me this is improbable, as they are not getting that much spam. I accept that. Also, people have told me how they handle the chore of filtering mail. Thanks for that ! Edmund. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 15:08:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045108110; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:08:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20631; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:59:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:57:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20505; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.ins.net (root@popp.ins.de [192.129.55.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20467; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:57:20 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from news.mlc.de ([194.122.215.34]) by relay.ins.net (8.8.5/INS-1.5.1) with ESMTP id UAA03683 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:56:57 +0100 (MET) Received: from Riker.mlc.de (notesgw.mlc.de [193.98.180.110]) by news.mlc.de (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA01592 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:42:25 +0100 Received: by Riker.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 4125654F.006D0070 ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:50:35 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: MLC RATINGEN To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <4125654F.006CDF2E.00@Riker.mlc.de> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:51:58 +0100 Subject: Betr.: power-on passwords Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What's the use of power-on passwords worth if you can find information about how to reset them anywhere? Seems to be a Windows 95 compatible level of security :-) Just my $0.02, Stefan Tilkov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 16:01:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070871317; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:01:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23967; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23824; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23805; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from drd (ppp-123.shadow.net [209.4.38.143]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA08713 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Modem Volume Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:50:50 -0500 Message-Id: <01bcf13e$fdcbf5c0$LocalHost@drd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone, I'm having a problem with my modem, It won't shut-up. I hate to hear the modem connecting so I've had my modem volume setting in W95 on off. Everything was fine until I started having problems connecting (due to local telco problem), so I turned up the modem volume to check the problem. Once I resolved the connection problem, I turned the volume to off on both the control panel and dial-up networking, but nothing happened. I've restarted the computer several times and deleted the original dial-up icon without any luck. Thank you for your anticipated responses on this matter. Geo, out. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 16:36:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088233388; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:36:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27276; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:32:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27084; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.access.digex.net (mail2.access.digex.net [205.197.247.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27041; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail2.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA28280; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16076; Fri, 14 Nov 97 13:59:29 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA24493; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:59:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:59:36 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Khoury Cc: "Cottrell, Eric" , Doug Fairclough , Edmund Ronald , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: (TP) In-Reply-To: <199711132348.PAA26193@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 13 Nov 1997 14:00:44 -0500, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > >BTW I really only post to this list with this address and so > >far no spam at all. > > > >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > > I have almost never recived spam, unless the Poopsales stuff counts. > And I setup filters on my mailer, PMMail 1.95a for OS/2, which sort mail > from friends, this list, and other stuff directly to different folders, and notify > me with a wave file. > > Maybe we could single out why one person gets spam, and others, like myself, > get none, or close to that. Most common source is posting on newsgroups. Also, if you have a well-linked web page with your email address on it, sometimes a harvesting bot can pull out your email address. I'm on several mailing lists with different addresses and haven't received spam on any of them. Sadly, I've pretty much given up on Usenet news because I don't have the time to configure the news poster to munge my email address. If I need a question answered, I usually go to Dejanews and do an extensive search now. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 16:39:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089833598; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:39:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27289; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:31:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27057; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27044; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com ([155.186.68.56]) by Tandem.com (8.8.8/2.0.1) with SMTP id NAA19862; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:31:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA22462; Fri, 14 Nov 97 13:31:37 PST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:28:21 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCF101.2D334F90.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona Reply-To: "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" To: "'Geovanny M. Ortiz'" , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: RE: Modem Volume Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:28:20 -0800 Organization: Tandem Computers X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Geo... I usually add the ATS0 setting in my modem programs and scripts under initialization settings. This AT command allows you to avoid having any sound produced form the modem itself, and you won't be messing with the system settings. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Geovanny M. Ortiz [SMTP:o-n-a@shadow.net] Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 12:51 PM To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Modem Volume Hello everyone, I'm having a problem with my modem, It won't shut-up. I hate to hear the modem connecting so I've had my modem volume setting in W95 on off. Everything was fine until I started having problems connecting (due to local telco problem), so I turned up the modem volume to check the problem. Once I resolved the connection problem, I turned the volume to off on both the control panel and dial-up networking, but nothing happened. I've restarted the computer several times and deleted the original dial-up icon without any luck. Thank you for your anticipated responses on this matter. Geo, out. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 16:57:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097924653; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:57:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28848; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:57:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:55:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28735; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28719; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8) with SMTP id QAA22052 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCF11E.4F656810@ntmail.tiac.net>; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:56:54 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , "'John Kim'" Cc: "'Doug Fairclough'" , "'Edmund Ronald'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: (TP) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:56:53 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>---------- >>From: John Kim[SMTP:kim@mak.com] >>Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 1:59 PM >>To: Paul Khoury >>Cc: Cottrell, Eric; Doug Fairclough; Edmund Ronald; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Subject: RE: (TP) >> >>received spam on any of them. Sadly, I've pretty much given up >>on Usenet news because I don't have the time to configure the >>news poster to munge my email address. If I need a question >>answered, I usually go to Dejanews and do an extensive search >>now. Hello, I use Dejanews alot and think it is neat. I really think people should do a Dejanews search first, then post a query if it is not answered. When I needed the LCD screen on the thinkpad I did dejanews searches and found several companies mentioned with web sites listed. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 17:05:16 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101035115; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:05:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29312; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:03:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29151; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Tandem.com (suntan.tandem.com [192.216.221.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29132; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:03:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from adm.loc201.tandem.com ([155.186.68.56]) by Tandem.com (8.8.8/2.0.1) with SMTP id OAA24820; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from marmoset (marmoset.loc201.tandem.com) by adm.loc201.tandem.com (4.1/6main.940209) id AA24910; Fri, 14 Nov 97 14:03:18 PST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:00:02 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCF105.9A64F790.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> From: Chris DiBona Reply-To: "chrisd@loc201.tandem.com" To: "'jay'" Cc: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Modem Volume Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:00:01 -0800 Organization: Tandem Computers X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu doh! See below... Chris -----Original Message----- From: jay [SMTP:jay777@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 1:58 PM To: chrisd@loc201.tandem.com Subject: Re: Modem Volume Chris DiBona wrote: > > Geo... > > I usually add the ATS0 setting in my modem programs and scripts under > initialization settings. This AT command allows you to avoid having any > sound produced form the modem itself, and you won't be messing with the > system settings. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geovanny M. Ortiz [SMTP:o-n-a@shadow.net] > Sent: Friday, November 14, 1997 12:51 PM > To: Thinkpad mailing list > Subject: Modem Volume > > Hello everyone, > > I'm having a problem with my modem, It won't shut-up. I hate to hear the > modem connecting so I've had my modem volume setting in W95 on off. > Everything was fine until I started having problems connecting (due to > local > telco problem), so I turned up the modem volume to check the problem. Once > I resolved the connection problem, I turned the volume to off on both the > control panel and dial-up networking, but nothing happened. I've restarted > the computer several times and deleted the original dial-up icon without > any > luck. > > Thank you for your anticipated responses on this matter. > > Geo, out. No, no, it's ATM0. ATS0=x will tell the modem to answer on ring x. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 18:17:48 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133459467; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:17:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03073; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:15:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02914; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02902; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from p06.hwts15.loop.net (p06.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.231]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA26117; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:14:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711142314.PAA26117@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 16:06:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: power-on passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:41:35 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: >Procedures for removing power-on passwords used to be documented >in the Thinkpad hardware ref manuals, but seem to have been removed >in the last few weeks. They vary from model to model but go >along the lines of shorting two pins together near the SIMM socket. >I knew I should have saved copies of that stuff :((( > If it is nessecary, I can actually look at it. I still have my 355C's manual. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 18:21:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135609715; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:21:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03400; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:20:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03325; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03310; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from p06.hwts15.loop.net (p06.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.231]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA26867; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:19:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711142319.PAA26867@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 16:11:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Modem Volume Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu n Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:50:50 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I'm having a problem with my modem, It won't shut-up. I hate to hear the >modem connecting so I've had my modem volume setting in W95 on off. >Everything was fine until I started having problems connecting (due to local >telco problem), so I turned up the modem volume to check the problem. Once >I resolved the connection problem, I turned the volume to off on both the >control panel and dial-up networking, but nothing happened. I've restarted >the computer several times and deleted the original dial-up icon without any >luck. > >Thank you for your anticipated responses on this matter. > >Geo, out. > > Try this string: ATL0M0 AT obviously resets the modem (sort of), and L and M are for the speaker. I can't remember which one does what, but it determines when or whether or not the speaker is one, and how loud. I think M is for the volume. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 18:30:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139180253; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:30:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03980; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:29:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03849; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:29:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03821; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:29:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA09094; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:29:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971114172912.0069f4f8@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:29:12 -0600 To: "Paul Khoury" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Modem Volume Cc: In-Reply-To: <199711142319.PAA26867@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:11 PM 11/14/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >ATL0M0 Good string. >AT obviously resets the modem (sort of), and L and M are for the speaker. AT just gets the modem's attention, to let it know that a command is coming. >I can't >remember which one does what, but it determines when or whether or not the speaker is >one, and how loud. I think M is for the volume. M0 turns OFF the speaker. L0 turns down its volume. L0 is generally redundant in that if the speaker is OFF, it doesn't really matter how loud it's set for when it's ON. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 14 21:03:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207439399; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:03:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09719; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:01:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09575; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09563; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:01:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA15844; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:04:45 -0800 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Chris DiBona Cc: "'Geovanny M. Ortiz'" , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: RE: Modem Volume In-Reply-To: <01BCF101.2D334F90.chrisd@loc201.tandem.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Chris DiBona wrote: > I usually add the ATS0 setting in my modem programs and scripts under > initialization settings. This AT command allows you to avoid having any > sound produced form the modem itself, and you won't be messing with the > system settings. With every modem I have ever used [that handles AT commands] S0 configures the number of rings before the modem auto-answers. ATS0 is incomplete as well. S0=0 sets the modem to not auto-answer, and and other number is the nomber of rings before answering. Setting the "loudness" of the speaker [if supported] via the L register [usually a number between 0 and 3 or so] like ATL1 usually helps. Also, the modem speaker on/off control register M can be used. Set ATM0 to shut the speaker off entirely. What modem interprets the ATS0 as anything to do with the speaker? Per the standard Hayes command set this is something entirely different. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 15 00:54:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010323295; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:54:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16653; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:48:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16497; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16485; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from jay (user-2k7i53i.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.20.114]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA09047 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:47:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <346D3756.410E@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:47:02 -0600 From: jay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Error Codes for 355Cs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know what these error codes mean? 8611 173 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 15 04:19:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096655591; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:19:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23682; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:16:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23245; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (phr@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23227; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id BAA10754; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:16:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:16:26 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199711150916.BAA10754@netcom10.netcom.com> To: phr@netcom.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: power-on passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If it is necessary, I can actually look at it. I still have my 355C's manual. You need the hardware maintenance manual, not the user manual. If that's what you have, please post anything it says about clearing passwords. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 15 13:55:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028300126; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:55:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12465; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:50:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12239; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12220; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 13:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IQ1CMT95KWC2IDR7@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:49:35 MST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:40:42 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Error Codes for 355Cs In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:47:02 -0600" <346D3756.410E@mindspring.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IQ1D8GLVTWC2IDR7@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does anyone know what these error codes mean? > 8611 This is a pointing device error when the Track Point II is enabled. To fix (per IBM's maintenance manual) try these steps in sequence - 1. Reseat the Track Point II cable at the interposer card. This is inside the computer next to the top of the system. You'd have to do some disassembly to get at it. 2. Replace the keyboard. 3. Maybe you have an external mouse and it is bad.. Try unplugging it. 4. Replace the system board. > 173 This means your battery backed up configuration data were lost. 1. Select OK on the error screen then set the date and time. 2. Replace the little back up battery (not the big one that runs the computer). 3. Replace the system board. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 16 15:34:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066052447; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:34:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02592; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:28:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02251; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02239; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx03-08.teleport.com (ip-pdx03-08.teleport.com [206.163.123.73]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28331 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:27:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 12:27:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711162027.MAA28331@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Power-on passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there a way to set the password and then not use it...so that teenage gremlins might not set the password and screw things up for me. I have never used the password thing at all and really don't need it now...but you guys have me worried. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 16 20:35:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA195340552; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:35:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10985; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:33:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10789; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (phr@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10764; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA25022 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:32:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:32:55 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199711170132.RAA25022@netcom14.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CE battery charging problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been using this 755ce for the past 1.5 hours. The battery charge LED (left pointing triangle) is lit, but the battery charge still reads 0% on the fuel gauge. The battery was charged last week, and I've been using it strictly on AC power since then, so I thought it was still charged; but when I tried turning it on without AC, it was dead, and it still reads 0% (I'll have to log off and reboot to see if it's taken any charge). This is a 755ce which I just bought used, so it occurs to me I've never seen it actually charge a battery, just verified that the LED was lit. Is it possible the battery has suddenly gone dead? It worked before. Can it be a simple matter of software configuration? I have power control set to automatic for both battery and ac. Can it be that the 755ce doesn't charge the battery while in use, even though the charging LED is lit? That would mean I have to turn off the machine to charge the battery--not good. Can it be that only certain power adapters can charge the battery? I'm using the huge, old, 50W brick. Or is maybe something wrong with the computer? :((( Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 16 20:41:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197430862; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:41:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11290; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:38:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11145; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (phr@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11110; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:38:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id RAA25483 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:38:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:38:32 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199711170138.RAA25483@netcom14.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: 755ce battery charging problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It appears that the battery was charging but the fuel gauge software wasn't noticing. When I pulled the adapter plug, the machine kept running and battery gauge read "high". When I plugged the ac back in, the reading was at 99% (had been at 0% a minute earlier) and climbed to 100% after a few seconds. So things seem ok. False alarm :) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 16 23:35:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA010721342; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:35:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16140; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:32:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15954; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15932; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts12.loop.net (p22.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.157]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14308; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:30:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711170430.UAA14308@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 21:22:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755CE battery charging problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:32:55 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: >I've been using this 755ce for the past 1.5 hours. The battery >charge LED (left pointing triangle) is lit, but the battery charge >still reads 0% on the fuel gauge. The battery was charged last >week, and I've been using it strictly on AC power since then, so >I thought it was still charged; but when I tried turning it on >without AC, it was dead, and it still reads 0% (I'll have to log >off and reboot to see if it's taken any charge). This is a 755ce >which I just bought used, so it occurs to me I've never seen it >actually charge a battery, just verified that the LED was lit. > >Is it possible the battery has suddenly gone dead? It worked before. > That has happened on my 701 before, either when I got a new battery, or sometimes it would do that and still last another 45-60 minutes! >Can it be a simple matter of software configuration? I have power >control set to automatic for both battery and ac. > Probably not. >Can it be that the 755ce doesn't charge the battery while in use, >even though the charging LED is lit? That would mean I have to >turn off the machine to charge the battery--not good. > The 755 is very similiar to the 355 and 360 machines, so I think that it should be able to charge while in use. The 355C that I have charges while it's on, in suspend, and on. >Can it be that only certain power adapters can charge the battery? >I'm using the huge, old, 50W brick. > I doubt it. In fact, I think that 50W is sufficient for that machine. >Or is maybe something wrong with the computer? :((( Maybe it could be the temperature, humidity, or something like that. Try a complete charge and discharge and tell me what happens. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 10:25:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027020331; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:25:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13839; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:17:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13300; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:17:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13274; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from drd (ppp-49.shadow.net [209.4.38.69]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04512; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:16:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" To: "Steve Parker" , "Chris DiBona" Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: Modem Volume Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:51:00 -0500 Message-Id: <01bcf368$38fa3000$LocalHost@drd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thank you for all your responses. With your help I was able to solve my problem. I did find an additional string, "AT&F1", in the additional strings dialog box. What is this string for? Thanks again for your responses. Geo, out. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 10:57:39 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA041192259; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:57:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16502; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:53:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16140; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16072; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id JAA01963; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:50:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971117094946.00695adc@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:49:46 -0600 To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Modem Volume Cc: "Steve Parker" , "Chris DiBona" , "Thinkpad mailing list" In-Reply-To: <01bcf368$38fa3000$LocalHost@drd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:51 AM 11/17/97 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >I did find an additional string, "AT&F1", in the additional >strings dialog box. What is this string for? On most modern modems, it directs the modem to reset all of its parameters to those saved in the Factory Defaults Profile #1. Software that deals with modems often does this sort of thing first, to ensure that it will have a chance at working, even if you have configured your modem for some kind of truly bizarre mode. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 11:19:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA050593575; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:19:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17958; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:15:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17824; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:15:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zork2.tiac.net (db0.tiac.net [199.0.65.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17791; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:15:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by zork2.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA19267 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:13:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCF34A.3F117750@ntmail.tiac.net>; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:16:27 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Paul Rubin'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'Paul Khoury'" Subject: RE: power-on passwords Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 11:16:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >>If it is nessecary, I can actually look at it. I still have my 355C's >>manual. It is in the Hardware Maintenance Manual Volume 2: Thinkpad Computers. I have the October 1994 edition. On Page 256: How to Disable the Power-On Password: 1. Power-off the computer 2. Open the keyboard and remove the battery pack and the diskette drive. 3. For Models 355x, 360x, 755C, and 755Cs, remove the attachment holder. 4. Install a jumper on the power-on password connector at bottom left side of the system board. 5. Reinstall the diskette drive and the battery pack. 6. Power-on the computer and wait until the POST ends. 7. Verify that the password prompt does not appear. 8. After the service check is completed, remove the jumper. To reactivate the password, set the password again. There is additional information on how Supervisor and Hard Disk Passwords can not be overridden. Additional Notes: The attachment holder is a insulator cover on the left side of the computer. It appears to be under the diskette drive and is held in place by one 4 mm screw. Note: When reinstalling make sure both batteries are seated correctly. Check that the insulator cover is in the correct position by sliding it end to end. > The power on password connector is to the left of the two battery connectors on the underside of the system board. >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 12:08:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073396489; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:08:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21710; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:01:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21440; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21422; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx05-11.teleport.com (ip-pdx19-11.teleport.com [206.163.125.76]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA16491 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:01:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:01:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711171701.JAA16491@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Modem Noises Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While we are discussing modem volume issues, could someone explain to me why we hear the modem noises at all? It seems to me that if notification of transmission is the only issue than it could as easily play a tune to tell you that it is working. I will confess that having listened to the obnoxious noises enough I can tell when "it doesn't sound right" but it is hardly a precise skill and really tells me little. Realizing that this is not a TP specific issue... Thanks, Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 13:53:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125692783; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28749; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:50:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:46:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28434; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:46:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28403; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id MAA17463; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971117124321.006c3660@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:21 -0600 To: Bryan Daum From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Modem Noises Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711171701.JAA16491@mail1.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:01 AM 11/17/97 -0800, Bryan Daum wrote: >While we are discussing modem volume issues, could someone explain to me why >we hear the modem noises at all? Some of us can tell the difference between various types of Data/FAX modems by listening to them. Most of us can tell the difference between "BUSY", the "Doo! Dah! Dee! We're Sorry" signal, and a human answering the call threatening to call the police if we don't stop harassing them. That's why it's a good idea to have the modem speaker turned on, at least until you know that the programmed-in phone number is correct. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 13:58:14 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128643092; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:58:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29034; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:52:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28832; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28801; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA13403; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:46:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10650; Mon, 17 Nov 97 12:46:04 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA10134; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:45:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:45:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Bryan Daum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Modem Noises In-Reply-To: <199711171701.JAA16491@mail1.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Bryan Daum wrote: > While we are discussing modem volume issues, could someone explain to me why > we hear the modem noises at all? > > It seems to me that if notification of transmission is the only issue than > it could as easily play a tune to tell you that it is working. I will > confess that having listened to the obnoxious noises enough I can tell when > "it doesn't sound right" but it is hardly a precise skill and really tells > me little. > > Realizing that this is not a TP specific issue... About a year ago, someone wrote a trojan for AOL. I don't recall what it was supposed to do, but what it really did was hang up the modem and reconnect to AOL using some ISP in the former Soviet Union (or some remote country) and sky-high rates like $100/hour. Those who had turned off the sound on their modem got a nasty surprise on their monthly phone bill. I'll grant you, a tune every time your modem connected would have prevented this as well. My guess is it's all a holdover >from the 120 bps and 300 bps days, when a $400 modem was cheap, and having it play a tune would've been an expensive frill. They still needed a way for people to tell if the modem was actually working, so they came up with the idea of piping the line signal to a speaker. I kinda like the sounds. I can tell if I've connected at 9600, 14.4, or 28.8 even if the silly software (Win95) insists on not showing me the modem connect messages. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 15:48:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184289678; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:47:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02525; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:40:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02212; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02119; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA04739 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:38:40 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(129.105.76.45) by merle.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma003701; Mon, 17 Nov 97 13:36:22 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971117133704.006d4d94@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: bberry@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:37:04 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bill Berry Subject: re: power-on password Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Whatever you do, do not use the utility called KillCMOS on a ThinkPad. I stupidly used it thinking that I'd be clearing the Intel equivalent of Parameter Ram on a Mac. D'oh! The thing corrupted my Supervisor and Hard drive password instead of clearing them. I neglected to disable them thinking the utility would wipe 'em out. What really bugs me though is: 1. IBM's tech support was completely un-helpful when I called them. Not knowing that there could possibly be a utility designed to do something like clear the CMOS. 2. In order to get rid of the corrupted passwords, I'd have to buy a new system board, which is $600, which is roughly half of the the TP 365XD goes for these days. I think they should have some work around for registered owners. I could justify paying maybe a couple of hundred to IBM service to take care of this, but as it is, if something goes wrong in which I need to change the CMOS settings or the HD, basically I'll throw the thing away and buy a new computer. (probably not an IBM) Anyway, mea culpa, the machine works for now. I wish I'd risked having some thief get my notebook and use it freely, than use the stupid password and screw up and ruin the TP for myself. By the way, the author of KillCMOS was pretty helpful, but I think, ignorant of IBMs very proprietary security system for ThinkPads. Bill Berry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 16:55:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217163732; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:55:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11681; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:51:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11425; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11369; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by merle.acns.nwu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA02383; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:50:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from unknown(129.105.76.45) by merle.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma001586; Mon, 17 Nov 97 15:48:52 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971117154937.006b5308@merle.acns.nwu.edu> X-Sender: bberry@merle.acns.nwu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:49:37 -0600 To: Tim Tyhurst From: Bill Berry Subject: Re: power-on password and KillCMOS Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711172100.QAA02722@dogmead.excelsior.com> References: <3.0.3.32.19971117133704.006d4d94@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tim, Well, I didn't. Actually, I should mention that the power-on password was corrupted as well. I had to take the TP to an IBM authorized service center to have the power-on password disabled. (They took the instructions for that off the web-site just before this happened to me. Heh, but I got the instructions again...somewhere.) By the way, prices for disabling the power-on password vary widely. I paid $75. I was quoted $210 by some place in the loop. (That'd be Chicago, the loop is the business district) Anyway, the 'pad works okay, I just don't have access to easy setup (or whatever the CMOS setup utility is called). I forget just what features I now can't control. I just feel like the machine is not whole if I can't have access to all of it's features. Maybe the price of TP 365XD system boards will drop drastically and I'll be able to afford a new one..maybe. Oh yeah, and the resale value is hosed. B. At 04:00 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >> Whatever you do, do not use the utility called KillCMOS on a ThinkPad. I >> stupidly used it thinking that I'd be clearing the Intel equivalent of >> Parameter Ram on a Mac. D'oh! >> >> The thing corrupted my Supervisor and Hard drive password instead of >> clearing them. I neglected to disable them thinking the utility would wipe >> 'em out. > >> ... >> Anyway, mea culpa, the machine works for now. I wish I'd risked having some >> thief get my notebook and use it freely, than use the stupid password and >> screw up and ruin the TP for myself. > >How did you resolve this problem? > >
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Bill Berry Coordinator of Admission Services Office of Undergraduate Admission Northwestern University (847)467-1918 phone (847)467-2331 fax E-mail: w-berry@nwu.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 17:27:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234215626; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:27:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13535; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:24:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13421; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13401; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:24:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.5/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA06011; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:24:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971117162429.006bbca4@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:24:29 -0600 To: Bill Berry From: Ron Heiby Subject: re: power-on password Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971117133704.006d4d94@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:37 PM 11/17/97 -0600, you wrote: >Whatever you do, do not use the utility called KillCMOS on a ThinkPad. I >stupidly used it thinking that I'd be clearing the Intel equivalent of >Parameter Ram on a Mac. D'oh! So, what is a utility called "KillCMOS" supposed to do? Sounds to me like it killed your CMOS "real good"! When I compare the extremely clear, though limited, choices available in my 755CE's BIOS setup screens to the extraordinarily cryptic, sparsely documented, though highly flexible choices available on my desktop's BIOS, I am amazed that anyone would use a utility on the ThinkPad to try to simplify its BIOS setting. (If that's what KillCMOS is supposed to do...) -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 20:44:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA030477463; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:44:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23110; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:41:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22811; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from brickbat8.mindspring.com (brickbat8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22799; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from jay (user-2k7i53h.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.20.113]) by brickbat8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01114 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:41:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3470F218.5E5B@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:40:40 -0600 From: jay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD Protect Passwords Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey, remember me? :) Well, I got another problem. It's seems that I made an error in deducing the type of password prompt that the thinkpad has given me. It's an HD password. So now I'm asking if there's anyone out there who knows how to remove an HD password. The password is definitely stored on the HD, probably the boot sector, and I'm kinda doubtful there's any way to get it off. Oh, and does anyone have a used battery, or hard drive for a 355Cs? Any size HD will do, as you can see why... :( Oh, well. Any, and I do mean ANY, info will be appreciated. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 17 22:05:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067592351; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:05:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26613; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:58:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26433; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:58:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26413; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA30061; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:01:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:01:55 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Modem Volume In-Reply-To: <01bcf368$38fa3000$LocalHost@drd> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: > I did find an additional string, "AT&F1", in the additional > strings dialog box. What is this string for? &F1 loads the modems factory default settings stored in &F1. I believe this is the standard hardware flow control template for most modems. My USR Couriers support a few others as well. > Thanks again for your responses. No problem. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 00:14:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127110059; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:14:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01658; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:12:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01471; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01455; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA21138; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:12:56 -0700 Message-Id: <3471249D.7E9E7828@wwsi.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jay Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords References: <3470F218.5E5B@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. the practical network and systems experts Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 01:21:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157174090; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:21:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04535; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:20:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04389; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from dns01.ops.usa.net (dns01.ops.usa.net [204.68.24.137]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04367; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3950 invoked by alias); 18 Nov 1997 06:19:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 3942 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 06:19:54 -0000 Received: from 97.usr3.2xtreme.net (HELO hysterium) (noah@209.21.44.97) by dns01.ops.usa.net with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 06:19:54 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971117221927.041296c8@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:19:27 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: 701 - for sale @... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just thought I'd let everyone know that MicroWarehouse (800-367-7080) is advertising a 701C 486DX4/75, 540 MB HD, 8MB RAM, 10.4" TFT CLR for $799. The item number is CP2525. It's been a long time since I saw these for sale in the retail channel and thought others might interested. This came in a flyer packed in a shipment I received a couple of days ago. (For an 8x Panasonic PCMCIA CD-ROM w/spkrs for $199...also not a bad deal.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary email: geige@usa.net Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 07:38:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018086710; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:38:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22599; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:36:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22438; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22423; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:36:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id EAA16446; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av2.cadence.com(158.140.128.32) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma879856575.016444; Tue, 18 Nov 97 04:36:15 -0800 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) id EAA04237; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:36:11 -0800 (PST) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199711181236.EAA04237@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: this list getting spammed too much To: merlin@netnevada.net (Vernon Brooks) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:36:11 -0800 (PST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711131819.NAA23988@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Vernon Brooks" at Nov 13, 97 10:18:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu One thing to watch out for wrt SPAM.. Many software registration forms now ask for an email address and have a checkbox somewhere indicating whether you want information of interest to owners of that software. Read this as "can we sell your address to Spammers!" -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 10:31:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA099437093; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:31:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00879; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:25:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00579; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00561; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from liba32db.cigna.com (slip166-72-213-86.ut.us.ibm.net [166.72.213.86]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA60988; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:25:15 GMT Message-Id: <3471B365.1349@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:25:25 -0500 From: "." <613@ibm.net> Reply-To: .@peach.cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Seeking 750 info. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just purchased a refurbished 750. Most of the info I see on the net is for 360s, 760s, etc. Anyone know a 750-specific website or reference? Any general words of wisdom (or warning) before I start playing with the thing? Thanks and regards, Leonard 613@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 11:10:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117319403; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:10:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03063; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:07:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02950; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02935; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 11:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0001.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xXpzP-0003NLC; Tue, 18 Nov 97 09:54 CST X400-Originator: John.Black@BNSF.COM X400-Recipients: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNSF/ADMD=IBMMAIL/C=US/;0043400003646531000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0043400003646531000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)thinkpad(a)cs.utk.edu" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: No Subject Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:56:18 -0600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How do I subscribe to this list. THX. JEB From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 12:25:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154313929; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:25:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07765; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:21:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07570; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07532; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from stork.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:19:49 +0000 Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by stork.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id QAA10799; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:22:33 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:20:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 755c hardware compatibility Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm about to buy a PCMCIA network (10Mbps ethernet) card for my TP755, to use with Windows 95. Firstly, are there any brands that are known *not* to work with Thinkpads; secondly does anyone recommend a particular make? Also, has anyone got a 16-bit soundcard to work in a Dock I? I can't get anything other than an 8-bit Soundblater original to work. Thanks in advance, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 13:00:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171786039; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:00:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09629; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:54:51 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09478; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id MAA27192; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:54:49 -0500 Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01232; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-04.usc.edu [128.125.224.76]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA24483 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:34:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118074106.006fb6f8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:41:15 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 701 Benchmarking (baseline) has begun Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To all those concerned about the 701 PEP upgrade: Yesterday I received the CD's from Ziff-Davis for Winstone 98 and Winbench 98, and I have begun running these benchmarks on the "base" 701. I will also be running Wintune 95 and because it is convenient, Norton Utilities' (2.0) little benchmark for processor speed. Winstone takes forever and every little hiccup has to be attended to--I left it running last night thinking it would be done today, but alas...the PowerPoint test didn't go over well (neither did the Netscape test--I had to abort that one) and needed to be re-started this morning. At any rate, when I complete all these benchmarks to get a baseline for my stock 701, I will send the machine in (presumably this week) to PEP for the upgrade. I don't know how long that will take, but whenever it comes back, I'll run all of these again and we'll have "before & after" results to look at. I *presume* you don't want me to post long reports of the results to the list, so I'll probably send them directly to Emanuel Brown for posting on his Website (and someone else volunteered...was it Dave Ross or Mitchell Yee? And Mitchell Yee wanted to send me a 701 HD with the statistics package SAS loaded on it and run some Stats-related tasks on it. Mitch, just run the baselines on your base machine, then send me the HD (with instructions) once my upgraded machine is ready...well, get it ready, we're almost ready to go! Meanwhile, Lee Laniear may want to contact me as he was going to bring an OS/2 HD to stick into my upgraded 701 machine and run some OS/2-specific tests. I presume that will be in a week or two, Lee, so mark your calendar. If you will run those OS/2 tests on your stock machine to get a baseline, then we'll be ready there. Meanwhile, those who are going to post the results (E. Brown and whoever else) on websites, please contact me directly regarding how I should send these results to you. For instance, the ZD benchmarks save to some sort of database. I haven't had a chance to play with it yet (the machine is too busy *running* them), so I'm not sure if I can just print a report out in ASCII form to send to you. Or perhaps in Excel? Talk to me! :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 13:12:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177196727; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:12:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10850; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:10:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10731; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:10:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10603; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from jay (user-2k7i52f.dialup.mindspring.com [168.121.20.79]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29527 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3471D9BB.2381@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:08:59 -0600 From: jay X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Wanted: laptop parts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking for anyone who may have extra laptop parts of the following: A battery for the 355Cs, and a keyboard for the same model. Thanks! -jay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 15:15:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237434142; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:15:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18846; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:08:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18509; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18481; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from matchb.demon.co.uk ([158.152.105.156]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2011243; 18 Nov 97 19:17 GMT Received: (from martin@localhost) by matchb.demon.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA29967; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:24:50 GMT Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:24:50 GMT Message-Id: <199711181924.TAA29967@matchb.demon.co.uk> From: Martin Young To: 613@ibm.net Mmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at post.mail.demon.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3471B365.1349@ibm.net> (613@ibm.net) Subject: Re: Seeking 750 info. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>>>> "Leonard" == <613@ibm.net> writes: Leonard> I just purchased a refurbished 750. Most of the info I Leonard> see on the net is for 360s, 760s, etc. Anyone know a Leonard> 750-specific website or reference? Any general words of Leonard> wisdom (or warning) before I start playing with the Leonard> thing? Leonard> Thanks and regards, Leonard 613@ibm.net I've had a 750 (mono!) for over 3 years now and am generally very happy with it. I upgraded my RAM from 12MB to 36MB and the disk from 170MB to 1GB. You can use standard 2.5" disks to upgrade from the originals, just keep the caddy from the original drive, and you have to cut the track to the master/slave select lines on the ribbon cable between the system board and HD. It's not very fast, but with the RAM upgrade both linux and W95 work acceptably fast for now. I mainly wanted the machine to work on while travelling, and so battery life is important to me. I get about 3hours life even with heavy disk use, which I may not get from a shiny new Pentium!! My major gripes, apart from the CPU speed are that the mono screen is small (9.5"), and hard to see in bright light. PS I'd be interested in anyone who has a broken 75x, or 360, with a good screen which can use my disk, memory, and battery, so I can have a slightly larger colour screen!! Martin. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 15:22:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA240134544; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:22:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19669; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:18:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19390; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19355; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 15:18:19 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0001.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0xXtws-0003N1C; Tue, 18 Nov 97 14:08 CST X400-Originator: John.Black@BNSF.COM X400-Recipients: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNSF/ADMD=IBMMAIL/C=US/;0043400003649194000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0043400003649194000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)thinkpad(a)cs.utk.edu" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: [TP760] New subscriber info/ suspend/resume problem Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:09:57 -0600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 760CD, Windows95, p90/16m. Currently, I am having trouble with the suspend/resume function. The suspend appears to work, but when resuming I receive an 0E error. I have tested the extended memory and no problem. Here is something interesting, when booted in safe mode, the suspend/resume works without error. Has anyone else ever experienced similar ???? THX. JEB From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 20:26:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA081762767; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:26:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04457; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:10:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04294; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from web40.ntx.net (root@web40.ntx.net [209.1.144.171]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04280; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (dd39-229.dub.compuserve.com [199.174.156.229]) by web40.ntx.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA18888; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:10:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971118201007.006d0274@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:10:07 -0500 To: Bill Berry From: Ron Heiby Subject: re: power-on password Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971118121852.006cb3dc@merle.acns.nwu.edu> References: <3.0.3.32.19971117162429.006bbca4@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.3.32.19971117133704.006d4d94@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:18 PM 11/18/97 -0600, Bill Berry wrote: >>>> >From the KoASP homepage: http://www.koasp.com/nproducts.html KillCMOS basically "resets" your computer's CMOS settings to the factory defaults. Works with ALL CMOS. KiLLCMOS only changes checksums & values that makes the motherboard CMOS revert back to factory defaults. Better than draining your battery! ** IT DOES NOT ReProgram your CMOS like a FLASH ROM Writer does. ** IT DOES NOT DAMAGE Hardware. KiLLCMOS reads/writes to areas of theCMOS that gets written to everyday, the difference is the VALUES that we give it(cmos). Well, based on this, it would seem that the author/distributor of KillCMOS is liable for the damage to your TP based on the above Explicit Warranty. Whether it would be worth your time/money to try to collect is another issue! -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 18 21:46:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115467586; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:46:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08301; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:43:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08154; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08107; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:42:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p241.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.51]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA12371; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:38:51 -0600 X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3472511E.60FD2A70@socket.net> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:38:22 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ron Heiby , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New to list; need LCD for 701C X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.3.32.19971117162429.006bbca4@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.3.32.19971117133704.006d4d94@merle.acns.nwu.edu> <3.0.3.32.19971118201007.006d0274@popmail.mcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I just joined this list today. I recently bought most of a ThinkPad 701C, and I'm afraid I'll never get in working order. I bought it used, with a cracked LCD and some missing parts. I put off trying to get a replacement screen while I rounded up an AC adapter, a caddy for a hard drive, and a floppy. Now that I have pretty much everything but the LCD, I have discovered that they are hard to find and *very* expensive. The best price I've been offered is $550 for a new one (Sharp, who made the LCD, wants $1000; IBM-Boulder wants even more). I have not found any used ones. Is there anyone on this list who has, or has a source for, a reasonably priced new or used TFT for the 701? Also, does anyone know if the 10.4" TFTs IBM used in the 700C and 720C are the same as those used in the 701C? TIA, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 00:52:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196088734; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:52:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18280; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:50:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18130; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:50:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18104; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00223; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:49:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:49:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190549.VAA00223@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: (was: DSTN display question) TP560 owners read this Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ok, Here is the final scoop on this thing. Several TP560 owners on this list were experiencing a distortion of the screen around the area where the trackpoint would be with the lid closed. In my case I was also noticing distortion were the wrist rest indents for the trackpoint buttons. I had sent my unit in for repair in July and they replaced the glass on the screen and sent it back. The problem did not reoccur until it started getting cold and then it came back like before. This was about three months. At this point epbrown bought his TP560 and noticed the distortion right out of the box. I noticed mine right out of the box in March but didnt do anything about it until July. The thread got started and here we are. I sent my notebook in to EasyServe again. I spent a good three hours trying to explain to ( about five ) people that replacing the glass was not going to solve the problem. I wrote an extensive note and put it in the EasyServe box. I did this on Friday last week. The notebook arrived in Memphis on Monday and has been awaiting parts. I got a call at 9:00pm PST from Mike Gerard, an EasyServe technician, this evening who told me that there has been an ECA ( Engineering Change Action ) on the TP560 model and that the entire LCD panel has been replaced ( thicker plastic bevel to keep the screen higher off the keyboard ) and the keyboard has been changed to make the trackpoint sit lower. This ECA is designated ECA 004 and is not known to IBM customer support. Only EasyServe technicians can even get this to come up on the computer if they look for it. Mike told me to tell the list that if your TP560 is under warranty they will perform the upgrade for free to the new parts. If not under warranty, EasyServe will replace the parts for free but charge the 100+ (cant remember the exact charge but I seem to remember $170) labor charge. They are sending the unit tonight and I should have it tomorrow. I will look it over and report anything worthy of the list. richardl From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 01:46:33 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220341992; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:46:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20099; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:46:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:45:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20028; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20015; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA07156; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:43:35 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA13755; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:46:18 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711190646.UAA13755@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP560) Re: TP560 owners read this (was: DSTN display question) To: richardl@ufp.com (Richard Levenberg) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 20:46:18 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711190549.VAA00223@enterprise.ufp.com>; from "Richard Levenberg" at Nov 18, 97 9:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If this is a known problem to EasyServe, why didn't they fix it on *my* machine last week? Like you, I included a note explaining the problem (though I actually sent it in for a power problem). Because of the distance from Honolulu to Memphis, even the most trivial repair means at least a week without the machine for me, so I'm loathe to send it in just for this. Another question: if only the Easyserve techs know about this fix, how does one initiate the repair process? The usual telephone call gets you the guys in North Carolina, not the guys in Memphis... - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 01:50:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222352218; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:50:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20394; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:49:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20321; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20309; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:49:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA07190; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:47:33 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA13773; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:50:15 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711190650.UAA13773@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP7??) Suspend/recover problem (was on a 750, I think) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 20:50:15 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, In the last day or so someone posted a problem about recovery from suspend on a thinkpad (I think it was a 750). I deleted the message, but have since learned a possible answer: the '0E' error is often a RAM problem. There is an article about this on the MS Knowledge base (look for article Q142546). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 01:53:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223532412; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:53:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20729; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:53:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:52:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20592; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20580; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:52:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00380; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:52:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:52:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190652.WAA00380@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711190646.UAA13755@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> (ross@math.hawaii.edu) Subject: Re: (TP560) Re: TP560 owners read this (was: DSTN display question) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 01:55:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224392539; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:55:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21032; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:54:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20905; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20893; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00383; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:54:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:54:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190654.WAA00383@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711190646.UAA13755@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> (ross@math.hawaii.edu) Subject: Re: (TP560) Re: TP560 owners read this (was: DSTN display question) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Another question: if only the Easyserve techs know about this fix, how does one initiate the repair process? The usual telephone call gets you the guys in North Carolina, not the guys in Memphis... Like I said I spent about three hours total going back and forth and left at least three strong messages to call me no matter what before sending the unit back so I could talk directly to the technician handling the problem. Once you convince the customer support that your unit should be EasyServed you should be able to get the EasyServe tech to lookup ECA 004 on the computer. At least that is what Mike Gerard said. richardl p.s. sorry about the empty message before. emacs sometimes give me fits From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 02:46:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA247505609; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:46:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22276; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:23:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22121; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22107; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:23:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23091; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:21:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190721.XAA23091@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Daum" , "Ron Heiby" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 00:14:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Modem Noises Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:21 -0600, Ron Heiby wrote: >At 09:01 AM 11/17/97 -0800, Bryan Daum wrote: >>While we are discussing modem volume issues, could someone explain to me why >>we hear the modem noises at all? > >Some of us can tell the difference between various types of Data/FAX modems >by listening to them. Most of us can tell the difference between "BUSY", >the "Doo! Dah! Dee! We're Sorry" signal, and a human answering the call >threatening to call the police if we don't stop harassing them. > >That's why it's a good idea to have the modem speaker turned on, at least >until you know that the programmed-in phone number is correct. > >-- >Ron. > Especially since you can determine what speeds (in a given range) you are connecting at, through listening to the noises. But ISDN doesn't have noise, does it, because it is all digital? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 02:47:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA247815658; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:47:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23228; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:46:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:45:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23143; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23118; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23909; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:43:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190743.XAA23909@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "A.F.Hewlett" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 00:36:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755c hardware compatibility Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:20:00 +0000 (GMT), A.F.Hewlett wrote: >Hi, > >I'm about to buy a PCMCIA network (10Mbps ethernet) card for my TP755, to >use with Windows 95. Firstly, are there any brands that are known *not* to >work with Thinkpads; secondly does anyone recommend a particular make? Although I haven't tried it, I hear that the 3COM cards work well. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 02:48:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248655709; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:48:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23435; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:47:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23365; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23352; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09097; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:46:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190746.XAA09097@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jay" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 00:38:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: >The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing >it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. >-- What about trying a low level format? Because that would typically erase more than a high level format would. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 03:00:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253016418; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:00:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24083; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:58:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23994; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23941; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24276; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:56:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190756.XAA24276@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 00:48:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New to list; need LCD for 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:38:22 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: .......... Also, does anyone >know if the 10.4" TFTs IBM used in the 700C and 720C are the same as >those used in the 701C? I don't know for sure, but I have a good feeling that they're all Sharp LCDs. Sharp seems to be the most popular. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 03:54:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275449692; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:54:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23687; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:49:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23593; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23580; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09296; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:49:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711190749.XAA09296@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jay" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 00:40:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:40:40 -0600, jay wrote: >Hey, remember me? :) Well, I got another problem. It's seems that I >made an error in deducing the type of password prompt that the thinkpad >has given me. It's an HD password. So now I'm asking if there's anyone >out there who knows how to remove an HD password. The password is >definitely stored on the HD, probably the boot sector, and I'm kinda >doubtful there's any way to get it off. >Oh, and does anyone have a used battery, or hard drive for a 355Cs? Any >size HD will do, as you can see why... :( >Oh, well. Any, and I do mean ANY, info will be appreciated. Thanks! > Since the drive in the 355 works fine in a desktop with IDE, you can try backing it up on a desktop (after getting the 2.5" -> 3.5" adapter), setting the drive as the slave, and then formatting it on the desktop, and then put it back into the ThinkPad. I have a dead 355C, and now that HD is in this server as an archive drive. The only problem is that it is a bit slow. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 06:59:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA047890790; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:59:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08982; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:57:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08857; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08844; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id DAA12758; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:56:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av2.cadence.com(158.140.128.32) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma879940617.012740; Wed, 19 Nov 97 03:56:57 -0800 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) id DAA00718; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:56:55 -0800 (PST) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199711191156.DAA00718@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755c hardware compatibility To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:56:55 -0800 (PST) Cc: afh1@ukc.ac.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711190743.XAA23909@ritchie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Nov 19, 97 00:36:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I use the 3com with no problem on a 755cd. The only shortcoming is that if you are tight on PCMCIA slots you might want to consider a model that combines another function like modem, or maybe there is one with SCSI. -Don Perley > >I'm about to buy a PCMCIA network (10Mbps ethernet) card for my TP755, to > >work with Thinkpads; secondly does anyone recommend a particular make? > Although I haven't tried it, I hear that the 3COM cards work well. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 07:46:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066873613; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:46:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09267; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:01:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:00:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09123; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09101; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012421; 19 Nov 97 11:44 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:56:10 +0000 To: John.Black@bnsf.com Cc: "- (052)thinkpad(a)cs.utk.edu" From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: [TP760] New subscriber info/ suspend/resume problem In-Reply-To: <0043400003649194000002*@MHS> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John I get the same with 760CD p90/40MB except I have not tried safe mode. I am afraid I cannot give you any answer or explanation as I rarely used suspend and I stopped using it once the OE error started appearing. I can't remember when it started - it might have been when I went from Windows 3.11 to 95. Greg In message <0043400003649194000002*@MHS>, John.Black@BNSF.COM writes > I have a Thinkpad 760CD, Windows95, p90/16m. > Currently, I am having trouble with the suspend/resume function. The > suspend appears to work, but when resuming I receive an 0E error. I > have tested the extended memory and no problem. Here is something > interesting, when booted in safe mode, the suspend/resume works > without error. > > Has anyone else ever experienced similar ???? > > THX. > JEB -- Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 08:38:38 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088046717; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:38:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12510; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:42 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12400; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id IAA14312; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:36:36 -0500 Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03312; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:47:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-48.usc.edu [128.125.223.192]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA22979 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:47:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118165337.015db44c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:53:46 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 701 Benchmarking Hiccups Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry to break a little bad news... It seems that for at least the Winstone 98 results, some of them just won't be available. 2 reasons: 1) I can't run *any* of the "high end" tests (C++ compiler, FrontPage 97, PhotoShop 4.0, etc.) because of one simple reason: my machine has "only" 24 MB of RAM. Minimum 32 MB required. 2) I can run *most* of the "Business Apps" tests. But for some reason, the machine just will *not* run the PowerPoint 97 test through to completion (preventing an overall score for "Business Graphics") and the same is true for the "Browser" test (it uses Netscape). Neither one of these will go all the way without producing an error that I cannot seem to get past. As a result, there may be some Winstone scores that simply won't be available. I apologize in advance. I have just begun to run Winbench 98 now so perhaps it can fill in some of the "holes" that Winstone 98 may leave behind. By the way, I'm only running the tests that make sense--the ones that may be affected by the CPU upgrade. For instance, I'm not running Winbench's disk tests on the HD. After Winbench, I'll run the comparably simpler "Wintune 95" benchmark and these three plus the simplistic little one fron Norton Utilities 2.0 (for 95) will be it before I send the machine in. All "After tests will be directly comparable to what I ran here, plus whatever is brought/sent to me >from those I've already spoken to regarding OS/2 and SAS. I presume I'll be sending the machine off to PEP in the next couple of days. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 08:44:05 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090097044; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:44:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12677; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:38:47 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12565; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id IAA14390; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:38:45 -0500 Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17316; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-43.usc.edu [128.125.223.187]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA20687; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:37:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971118213330.00e87f44@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:38:38 -0800 To: lmills@socket.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: New to list; need LCD for 701C Cc: Ron Heiby , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:38 PM 11/18/97 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >for, a reasonably priced new or used TFT for the 701? Also, does anyone >know if the 10.4" TFTs IBM used in the 700C and 720C are the same as >those used in the 701C? I am quite certain they are *not*. There was a noticable improvement in the quality of screen just in going >from the 750C to the 701C. And by the way, as far as I know, 10.4" TFT's weren't available on the 700C *or* the 720C. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 10:10:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127142210; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:10:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19120; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:07:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18976; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18963; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA04305 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:07:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3473025F.1600E172@socket.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:14:39 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TFTs in 700 and 720 [was: Re: New to list; need LCD for 701C] References: <3.0.32.19971118213330.00e87f44@rcf.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Randall, You may be right that the 700C and 720C did not use the same TFT screen, but I am fairly sure that at least the 720C used a TFT. In a review of the 720C in PC Magazine in August 1993, the reviewer almost raves about the quality of the 10.4" TFT in the 720C. I don't have the same kind of authority for believing the 700C used TFT technology, but I have seen a lot of classified ads from sellers who believed it does. Is there anyone on this list who knows who made the TFT for this older TP? And may be willing to part with one (if it turns out to be a match)? Lewis Randal Whittle wrote: > > At 08:38 PM 11/18/97 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: > >for, a reasonably priced new or used TFT for the 701? Also, does anyone > >know if the 10.4" TFTs IBM used in the 700C and 720C are the same as > >those used in the 701C? > > I am quite certain they are *not*. > > There was a noticable improvement in the quality of screen just in going > from the 750C to the 701C. > > And by the way, as far as I know, 10.4" TFT's weren't available on the > 700C *or* the 720C. > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 11:03:42 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153155421; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:03:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21962; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:52:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21611; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21589; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:52:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA11820 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:52:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34730D01.E3FE8AFB@socket.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:00:01 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "- (052)thinkpad(a)cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP760] New subscriber info/ suspend/resume problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, There's a few posts in the archive from 1997 (March, I think) on this. Apparently a third party memory module was the problem. Lewis Greg Terrell wrote: > > John > > I get the same with 760CD p90/40MB except I have not tried safe mode. I > am afraid I cannot give you any answer or explanation as I rarely used > suspend and I stopped using it once the OE error started appearing. I > can't remember when it started - it might have been when I went from > Windows 3.11 to 95. > > Greg > In message <0043400003649194000002*@MHS>, John.Black@BNSF.COM writes > > I have a Thinkpad 760CD, Windows95, p90/16m. > > Currently, I am having trouble with the suspend/resume function. The > > suspend appears to work, but when resuming I receive an 0E error. I > > have tested the extended memory and no problem. Here is something > > interesting, when booted in safe mode, the suspend/resume works > > without error. > > > > Has anyone else ever experienced similar ???? > > > > THX. > > JEB > > -- > Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 11:17:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159276226; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:17:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23507; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:15:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23361; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23338; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from liba32db.cigna.com (slip166-72-213-77.ut.us.ibm.net [166.72.213.77]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA113528; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:14:37 GMT Message-Id: <34731075.60EC@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:14:45 -0500 From: "." <613@ibm.net> Reply-To: .@peach.cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Don't Laugh! (I need help.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oh...I see. Heh heh. Just kidding. Heh heh. Leonard :-| >I just got my refurbished TP750 in the mail. Just two questions: >HOW THE HELL DO I GET THE BATTERY OUT? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 11:57:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178788619; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:56:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22482; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:02:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22340; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22317; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA13591 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:02:37 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34730F4D.7915DCBA@socket.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:09:49 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords References: <199711190746.XAA09097@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If a low level format doesn't get it, try using fdisk /mbr and reformatting. This is an (AFAIK) undocumented fdisk switch that can be useful if you have a truly tough virus. It may remove the password. It may not (and may have other unintended consequences that I know nothing about!), but it's worth trying before you decide you're stuck with a paperweight. Lewis Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: > > >The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing > >it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. > >-- > What about trying a low level format? Because that would typically erase more > than a high level format would. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 12:06:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183809203; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:06:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26636; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:05:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26559; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26546; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwsi.com (loveland.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA30035; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:05:33 -0700 Message-Id: <34731D1A.CE291C25@wwsi.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:08:42 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: jay , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords References: <199711190746.XAA09097@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nope. The password is a cooperation between the drive and the controller/carrier. Previously on this list someone took one out and tried to read it in a desktop and the entire disk was all zeros. They did it right, gang! You can't read a Thinkpad disk that has a password on it unless you know the password. And I, for one, am very glad of that! Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: > > >The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing > >it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. > >-- > What about trying a low level format? Because that would typically erase more > than a high level format would. -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. the practical network and systems experts Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 12:53:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206371991; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:53:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29332; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:35:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28943; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28910; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA20612 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:36:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:36:02 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Schumann Reply-To: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Seeking 750 info. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Martin Young wrote: > You can use standard 2.5" disks to upgrade from the originals, just keep > the caddy from the original drive, and you have to cut the track to the > master/slave select lines on the ribbon cable between the system board > and HD. I installed a Toshiba 810MB drive in my ThinkPad 750P and did not have to do any such cutting of any traces. It just works. "In the last film I ever saw, they kept the change and they told lies." Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 12:54:22 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206892061; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:54:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00154; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29927; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29907; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA05231; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:50:31 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:50:29 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Modem Noises In-Reply-To: <199711190721.XAA23091@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:43:21 -0600, Ron Heiby wrote: > Especially since you can determine what speeds (in a given range) you > are connecting at, through listening to the noises. After running a 3 line BBS for about 5 years I got to know the sounds pretty well. =) > But ISDN doesn't have noise, does it, because it is all digital? Correct. You also always have full speed with ISDN. Which either means 64Kbits per channel, or 56Kbits [effective] per channel depending on whether certain telco equipment is somewhere in the channel. Often the same 56Kbit equipment used for switched-56 is used to haul ISDN data as well. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 13:04:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211362673; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:04:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29319; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:36:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29105; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29008; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:36:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id LAA28368; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:36:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34732547.C6A0723F@socket.net> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:43:35 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Gregg.Ginsberg@MCI.Com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Gregg, Actually it's not my drive. I was just replying to the person who had the problem. I am by no means a hardware expert, but I thought information on a hard drive was stored in a section called the master boot record, rather than "the HD's CMOS" (which, BTW, stands for Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor - a reference to the manufacturing process rather than its function, and is probably more properly called von-volatile RAM). If it is truly stored in in an NVRAM chip, you could remove it simply by removing power to the chip for a while. However, I think what you need to do is remove data that is written onto the drive itself. That's why I made the fdisk /mbr suggestion: to try to clear the password from the master boot record. I still think it's worth a try. Lewis Gregg.Ginsberg@MCI.Com wrote: > > According to all my sources at Big Blue, you've got a nice paperweight on your hands. The HD password is stored on the HD's CMOS. You'd think all the warnings in your laptop's documentation would have been enough.... > > |> -----Original Message----- > |> From: Lewis Mills [SMTP:lmills@socket.net] > |> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 11:10 AM > |> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > |> Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords > |> > |> > |> If a low level format doesn't get it, try using fdisk /mbr and > |> reformatting. This is an (AFAIK) undocumented fdisk switch that can be > |> useful if you have a truly tough virus. It may remove the password. It > |> may not (and may have other unintended consequences that I know nothing > |> about!), but it's worth trying before you decide you're stuck with a > |> paperweight. > |> Lewis > |> > |> Paul Khoury wrote: > |> > > |> > On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: > |> > > |> > >The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing > |> > >it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. > |> > >-- > |> > What about trying a low level format? Because that would typically > |> erase more > |> > than a high level format would. > |> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Name: winmail.dat > winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef > Encoding: base64 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 16:00:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA294243231; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:00:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01357; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:59:24 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01178; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:59:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id MAA17030; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:59:23 -0500 Received: from espresso.2xtreme.net (espresso.2xtreme.net [208.147.33.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28321; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hysterium ([209.21.44.138]) by espresso.2xtreme.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-34955U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA285 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:27:21 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971119092722.04146f00@pop.netaddress.com> X-Sender: geige@pop.netaddress.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:27:22 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Dale Chao Subject: 701 recovery CD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I sort of remember somebody mentioning a 701 recovery CD a while ago. It came to mind as I was looking for a copy of Faxworks to replace the one I had accidentally trashed on my machine. Does such a creature exist? And if it does, would some kind soul be willing to lend it to me so that I could make a copy? I guess I don't have any particular need for it now, but it would be a nice thing to have if I ever sell my 701 (not likely). I called EasyServe and asked about getting Faxworks and was informed that they would reinstall the original software for a $185 charge, regardless of whether the machine was under warranty and that there was no recovery cd/diskette set available. It turned out that Faxworks is available (listed as an upgrade) in the FTP site. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dale Chao Concord, California Primary email: geige@usa.net Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net 09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) 09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 16:54:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021486467; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:54:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14835; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:52:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14575; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:48:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14517; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IQ744SN94GCBA166@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:47:03 MST Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:39:38 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755c hardware compatibility In-Reply-To: "Message dated Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:56:55 -0800 (PST)" <199711191156.DAA00718@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IQ74LV8SBKCBA166@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <199711190743.XAA23909@ritchie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I use the 3com with no problem on a 755cd. The only shortcoming is that > if you are tight on PCMCIA slots you might want to consider a model > that combines another function like modem, or maybe there is one with > SCSI. I have the 3com card with ethernet and a 33.6 modem in my 755ce - I'd call it the best $200 (bought it used from this list) I ever spent on this computer - the modem really works well, I've had no trouble at all with it or the ethernet side either. The MWave is a lot happier doing sound only too - at 28.8 web pages with midi sound can be a real challenge sometimes, there are delays getting everything going and sometimes the sound will fail.. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 17:11:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028537473; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:11:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16365; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:10:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:07:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16065; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:07:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16039; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.18.124.35] (SoCal56k135.NetWiz.Net [206.18.124.35]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA05979; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:06:29 -0800 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199711190746.XAA09097@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:34 -0800 To: "Paul Khoury" , "jay" , "Steve Hultquist" From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:38 AM -0800 11/19/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: > >>The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing >>it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. >>-- >What about trying a low level format? Because that would typically erase more >than a high level format would. What about a brute force password guessing program? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 21:27:45 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144092864; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:27:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27524; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:26:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27409; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27385; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA28294; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:25:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200225.SAA28294@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Dale Chao" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 19:16:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 recovery CD? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:27:22 -0800, Dale Chao wrote: >I sort of remember somebody mentioning a 701 recovery CD a while ago. It >came to mind as I was looking for a copy of Faxworks to replace the one I >had accidentally trashed on my machine. > >Does such a creature exist? And if it does, would some kind soul be willing >to lend it to me so that I could make a copy? I guess I don't have any >particular need for it now, but it would be a nice thing to have if I ever >sell my 701 (not likely). > Someone on this list was kind enough to make me a copy, in exchange for the cost of the disk and shipping, all to about $15. I actually did use it several times, too. >I called EasyServe and asked about getting Faxworks and was informed that >they would reinstall the original software for a $185 charge, regardless of >whether the machine was under warranty and that there was no recovery >cd/diskette set available. > >It turned out that Faxworks is available (listed as an upgrade) in the FTP >site. > Even though the one on either the FTP or PCC BBS doesn't specify to work with all versions of the 701, I used it once because I accidently messed up mine, too. But while we're on the subject, 2 questions - Is there any way to get it to work on OS/2 Warp 4's WIN-OS/2, and is there any way to change the voice quality to 4 bit? Paul >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dale Chao >Concord, California > >Primary email: geige@usa.net >Secondary email: geige@2xtreme.net > >09/25/97: AOL IM/Buddylist: geige97 (info: www.aol.com/iam) >09/24/97: ichat pager name: dalechao (info: www.ichat.com) >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 21:28:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144382906; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:28:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27130; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27032; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27020; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA27669; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:20:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200220.SAA27669@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "jay" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 19:11:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:08:42 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: >Nope. The password is a cooperation between the drive and the >controller/carrier. Previously on this list someone took one out and >tried to read it in a desktop and the entire disk was all zeros. They >did it right, gang! You can't read a Thinkpad disk that has a password >on it unless you know the password. > >And I, for one, am very glad of that! > IBM sort of did that with the PS/2 systems. For example, on my Model 60 (286-10), the MFM hard drive has a special track (like track 0 or something) encoded with information about the drive, or maybe a driver that needs to load, like for an option board. So, I wouldn't be supprised if this is similiar to what IBM is now doing with the ThinkPads. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 21:46:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153093979; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:46:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28104; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:38:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28007; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:38:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27990; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:38:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA26139; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:36:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200236.SAA26139@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jay" , "Mike Ford" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 19:28:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:34 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >At 12:38 AM -0800 11/19/97, Paul Khoury wrote: >>On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:16:13 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: >> >>>The only solution for a harddrive password is knowing it and removing >>>it. If you don't know it, the hdd is useless; buy a new one. >>>-- >>What about trying a low level format? Because that would typically erase more >>than a high level format would. > >What about a brute force password guessing program? > > > Do you have one? :-> I suppose if there was such a thing, it would take a WHILE. Only a little while. :-> But seriously, woulldn't a lowlevel format work? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 21:58:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159904735; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:58:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29208; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:54:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29042; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:54:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from resudox.net (root@resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29029; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:54:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.rogers.wave.ca (pc-15568.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.93.105]) by resudox.net (8.8.5/8.7.3/resudox) with SMTP id VAA16606 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:54:35 -0500 From: "Philip Hogarth" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Riven on a 770 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:55:10 -0500 Message-Id: <01bcf55f$b7591c60$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone tried this combination? I get the movie and animated sounds but all the ambient sounds are gone. Any ideas? BTW, Riven installs DirectX 5.0. Don't know if that has any bearing. Thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------- Philip Hogarth Partner, Director-Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We're the "Launch Machine" Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 Toronto: 416-363-7938 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 22:16:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA168785785; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:16:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00171; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:15:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:15:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29968; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29950; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:14:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA07147 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:18:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 560 recovery CD? In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19971119092722.04146f00@pop.netaddress.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does such a CD exist? I received very little with my 560 [2640-EOA] and would like a recovery CD if possible. I'm not sure what the 560 shipped with anymore and if nothing else I'd like to borrow it and make a copy for myself. I bought my 560 used in February and didn't get any docs or paperwork with it. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 23:54:13 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213141652; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:54:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01337; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01219; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from whqmsx01.mcit.com (whqmsx01.mcit.com [166.32.99.83]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01199; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by whqmsx01.mcit.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:55 -0500 Message-Id: From: Gregg Ginsberg To: "'Paul Khoury'" , jay , Mike Ford , Steve Hultquist Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:29 PM, Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] wrote: > But seriously, woulldn't a lowlevel format work? According to my IBM engineer friend in Raliegh....no. Kiss the drive goodbye. --- Gregg Ginsberg executiveONE R&D MCI Telecommunications Phone: 202-887-3045, v220-3045 Gregg.Ginsberg@MCI.Com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 19 23:58:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214841900; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:58:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01694; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:44:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01571; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:44:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01524; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA29014; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 19:41:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711200341.TAA29014@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Gregg Ginsberg" , "jay" , "Mike Ford" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 20:33:57 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:54 -0500, Gregg Ginsberg wrote: >On Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:29 PM, Paul Khoury >[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] wrote: >> But seriously, woulldn't a lowlevel format work? > >According to my IBM engineer friend in Raliegh....no. Kiss the drive >goodbye. Who's drive was it again? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 11:17:58 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203472678; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:17:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05403; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:06:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04786; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:06:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04714; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA42922 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:06:46 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BCF5A4.CC444880@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:09:41 -0500 Message-Id: From: "TROTTIER, Tom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:59:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 29 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does this apply only to original drives, or also to installed Toshiba, etc. drives? How does IBM do it? Ciao, Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse Co. *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] >Sent: 1997 November 19 - Wednesday 15:33 >To: Gregg Ginsberg; jay; Mike Ford; Steve Hultquist >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords > >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:54 -0500, Gregg Ginsberg wrote: > >>On Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:29 PM, Paul Khoury >>[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] wrote: >>> But seriously, woulldn't a lowlevel format work? >> >>According to my IBM engineer friend in Raliegh....no. Kiss the drive >>goodbye. > >Who's drive was it again? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 13:07:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA255069266; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:07:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11576; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:03:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11345; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from everest.maplesoft.com (NS.MAPLESOFT.ON.CA [199.71.183.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11312; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:03:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by everest.maplesoft.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 18:01:56 UT Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA11486; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:57:29 -0500 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199711201757.MAA11486@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords To: ttrottier@shl.com (TROTTIER Tom) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:57:29 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "TROTTIER, Tom" at Nov 20, 97 10:59:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does this apply only to original drives, or also to installed Toshiba, > etc. drives? How does IBM do it? A quick glance at the technical specs for the IBM drives (see www.storage.ibm.com/techsup.htm) suggests that this functionality is implemented at the IDE command level. Among commands like "Read Buffer", "Seek" and "Writer Buffer" are "Set Password", "Disable Password" and "Unlock". This suggests that a brute-force password guesser would have to be working at the device driver level (or maybe even lower, right at the IDE controller level). I have no idea whether or not these password commands are an industry standard; I would guess so, but that's just that: a guess. The effectiveness of a brute force attack could be blunted a little if the device inserts an artificial delay when responding to failed unlock requests. I have no idea if this technique is implemented in the IBM drives, though. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 15:52:01 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037579119; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:51:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20583; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:42:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20344; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20330; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:42:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26856; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711202038.MAA26856@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "TROTTIER, Tom" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 12:42:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:59:35 -0500, TROTTIER, Tom wrote: >Does this apply only to original drives, or also to installed Toshiba, >etc. drives? How does IBM do it? >Ciao, Tom By custom designing the controller. I don't think the brand of drive matters, though I could be wrong. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 16:22:12 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056370924; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:22:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20828; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:46:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20763; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com ([207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20748; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 15:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA04923; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:37:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711202037.MAA04923@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Paul Rubin" Date: Sun, 16 Nov 97 09:17:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (355CS) power-on passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:16:26 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: > If it is necessary, I can actually look at it. I still have > my 355C's manual. > >You need the hardware maintenance manual, not the user manual. >If that's what you have, please post anything it says about >clearing passwords. Thanks. > The user manual does tell you how to remove passwords. I'll send it along as soon as I can get access to it. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 18:05:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108497125; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:05:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28844; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:58:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28743; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:58:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28731; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ian-anderson (slip166-72-213-215.ut.us.ibm.net [166.72.213.215]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA87362 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:58:36 GMT Message-Id: <3474C173.2787@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:02:11 -0500 From: Leonard Narrow Reply-To: ...@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: think pad llst Subject: TP750 memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What do TP 750 memory chips look like? There's a space under the floppy for something about the size and shape of a pcmcia card. But the chip I just got mail order today looks like a desktop's SIMM cut in half. Does it get installed elsewhere, or did they send me the wrong piece? I'm sort of in a rush--please respond ASAP. Thanks, Leonard 613@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 20:46:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184116786; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:46:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05271; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:43:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05163; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:43:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.syspac.com (p57056.syspac.com [204.181.57.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05151; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.syspac.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0xYi9j-00011KC; Thu, 20 Nov 97 18:45 MST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 18:45 MST From: jones@syspac.com (David Jones) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Butterfly Batts Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks: It's time for me to get a new battery for my wife's Butterfly (701). A quick Web search reveals the following: o Battery Technology o Port Inc. o Xtend Micro Products o original IBM version All these are NiMH. Does anyone have experience with any of these (other than the original equipment IBM)? The prices are similar, in the $90 to $110 range. Xtend and Port also have a charger/conditioner; perhaps that's worth getting to overcome the memory problem and to use with spare batts. Thanks for any insights, David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 20 22:52:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241544357; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:52:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08463; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:00:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08273; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08127; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:59:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from #bharat6 (slip-129-37-28-88.fl.us.ibm.net [129.37.28.88]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA47604; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:57:00 GMT From: "Bharat Patel" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Gregg Ginsberg" , "jay" , "Mike Ford" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:55:21 -0500 Message-Id: <01bcf628$e8038200$581c2581@#bharat6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try these two methods .. see if it works .. (01) Take a big heavy magnet and run it through .. see if it erases the entire harddrive .. with password. (02) Find a similar used or new harddrive .. try to replace circuitry and see if you can remove harddrive .. i was able to recover my entire harddrive data by replacing circuit board .. and had all my data recovered .. GOOD LUCK .. Brian Patel > >On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 22:40:54 -0500, Gregg Ginsberg wrote: > >>On Wednesday, November 19, 1997 2:29 PM, Paul Khoury >>[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] wrote: >>> But seriously, woulldn't a lowlevel format work? >> >>According to my IBM engineer friend in Raliegh....no. Kiss the drive >>goodbye. > >Who's drive was it again? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 08:31:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181859090; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:31:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13014; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:29:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12806; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gordoncapital.com ([199.246.29.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12749; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: Received: (from MailNet@localhost) by mail.gordoncapital.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA00147; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:26:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:26:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199711211326.IAA00147@mail.gordoncapital.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 560 recovery CD & others X-Mailer: MailNet 4.10 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 2 CDN cents on these subjects: I bought my 560 P133, DS, 24mb/2.1g just 2 months ago. I did not get any recovery CD with it. It was assemble in Mexico April, 97. I'm not seeing the distortions that other list members were reporting around the tract point/button... crossing my fingers :) But I do see some light areas on the edge of the screen; this I expect since all my previous notebooks (TFT amd DS) are like this. Maybe that secret internal memo was for units made at an earlier date. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 09:54:43 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216034082; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:54:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16925; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:53:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:51:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16799; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16776; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:51:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-41.usc.edu [128.125.224.41]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id GAA01623; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:51:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971120203136.00bf0de0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 06:52:48 -0800 To: 613@ibm.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP750 memory Cc: think pad llst Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:02 PM 11/20/97 -0500, Leonard Narrow wrote: >What do TP 750 memory chips look like? There's a space under the floppy >for something about the size and shape of a pcmcia card. But the chip I >just got mail order today looks like a desktop's SIMM cut in half. Does >it get installed elsewhere, or did they send me the wrong piece? > >I'm sort of in a rush--please respond ASAP. > >Thanks, >Leonard >613@ibm.net Its definitely not for the 750 then. The memory for the 750 looked almost identical to a PCMCIA card. What you're looking at could be for a 701, 560, or the 760 or 770 series though--they all look more or less like a stubby desktop SIMM. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 11:06:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248178382; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:06:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23641; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:02:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23496; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:02:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23457; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8) with SMTP id LAA10903 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCF66D.14573920@ntmail.tiac.net>; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:21 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , "'Gregg Ginsberg'" , "'jay'" , "'Mike Ford'" , "'Steve Hultquist'" , "'Bharat Patel'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >(01) Take a big heavy magnet and run it through .. see if it erases the >entire harddrive .. with password. Sure way to destroy any hard drive. Alot of designs have special servo tracks to do positioning. This would also wipe out low level formatting. It is a rare case that you can low level format an ide drive. This is partly due to the special methods like Zone Bit Recording used. I doubt that you could recover servo tracks even if you could low level format the drive. >(02) Find a similar used or new harddrive .. try to replace circuitry and >see if you can remove harddrive .. i was able to recover my entire harddrive >data by replacing circuit board .. and had all my data recovered .. > Possible. It depends if the password is stored in memory on the circuit board or on the disk itself. >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Nov 21 12:04:55 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274751892; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:04:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14839; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:09:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14508; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14483; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86045-1>; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:06:27 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id PAA11082 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:06:00 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:34:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Q: 760EL, W95 and Token Ring Auto 16/4 To: thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have some problems getting my Token Ring Auto 16/4 Credit Card adapter to work with Win95 (not OSR2). The card will be recognized but is not available due to some hardware conflict that is not specified. I cannot configure the card manually either because there is no conflicting other hardware shown. W95 help doesn't give the slightest clue. I have Card Services 4.07 installed. I am told that there is a fix somewhere on the net but have no idea where to find it. Can anyone help? Thanks! Ciao, hm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 12:53:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA295344800; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:53:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00171; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:47:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29804; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from shaitan.eecs.umich.edu (strongtd@shaitan.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.8.163]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29781; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (strongtd@localhost) by shaitan.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04734; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:44:29 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: shaitan.eecs.umich.edu: strongtd owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: Timothy Strong X-Sender: strongtd@shaitan.eecs.umich.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: 613@ibm.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750 Memory In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thats not necessarily the wrong memory. My 755C uses the same memory as the 750 series I believe. There are two options for memory on these machines. One is an IC DRAM card which looks like a pcmcia card. The other is DIMM modules that look like SIMMs cut in half. To use them you need an adapter that fits in the ICDRAM slot. (you have to remove the clear plastic insert below the Floppy for the adapter to fit by the way. The adapter from IBM is pretty cheap (~$40). The part number on the back of mine is 59G3998. The advantages to the adapter are two. 1) There are two DIMM slots on the adapter so you could buy a 16MG DIMM at one point and another later and could use them both. You'd have to throw out the old ICDRAM card since only one fits. 2) When I got my machine they didn't make 32MB ICDRAM cards only 16 so the only way to get 32MB of memory was through to 16MB DIMMs in the adapter. I'm not sure if there are 32MB ICDRAMs that fit our machines or not. If you asked for 32MB that might be why they sent you the DIMMs (because that might be the only way you can get that much memory). BUT they should have sent the adapter. ---------- Timothy Strong strongtd@umich.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 17:58:19 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA142663098; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:58:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13178; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:57:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:52:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12939; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:52:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12924; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:52:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA23756; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:50:12 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21766; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:52:59 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711212252.MAA21766@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TP701) Cheap hard drives spotted To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 12:52:59 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just saw a couple of 720 meg hard drives for sale for $122 at www.usapc.com. If I still had a 701 I would buy at least one of these! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 18:09:53 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148193791; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:09:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13741; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:04:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13546; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:04:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13533; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 18:03:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26519; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:03:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19971121150318.007ea540@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:03:18 -0800 To: Timothy Strong , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750 Memory Cc: 613@ibm.net In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:44 PM 11/21/97 -0500, Timothy Strong wrote: [snip] >I'm not sure if there are 32MB ICDRAMs that fit our machines or not. If >you asked for 32MB that might be why they sent you the DIMMs (because that >might be the only way you can get that much memory). BUT they should have >sent the adapter. > >---------- >Timothy Strong >strongtd@umich.edu I'm pretty sure they make 32Meg ICDRAM cards for the 750, cause I have a 755CD with a 32Meg ICDRAM and I believe the 750 and 755 are the same form factor. You just nedd to be sure to note if you need parity or non-parity memory (actually if you don't need parity both types will still work). IMHO unless you are planning on only getting 16Megs at a time due to some particular reason, I'd suggest just get the 32 Meg ICDRAM as opposed to the so-DIMMs with the DIMM adapter. The ICDRAM is easier to use anyways. I got mine about a year ago for ~$280 US =). -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 20:26:04 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210071964; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:26:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18376; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:22:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18209; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.syspac.com (p57091.syspac.com [204.181.57.91]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18190; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.syspac.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0xZ4Im-00011FC; Fri, 21 Nov 97 18:24 MST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 18:24 MST From: jones@syspac.com (David Jones) To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (TP701) Cheap hard drives spotted Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I spoke to to USAPC they did have a 720MB drive but it was sans caddy. The part number was 38H6306. David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 21:24:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236365469; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:24:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19905; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:21:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19787; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19774; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 732 invoked from network); 22 Nov 1997 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from kebob-34.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.239) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 1997 02:21:29 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Erudite Memory? Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 02:21:31 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <34784054.91075062@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was on the prowl for a low-priced 32MB RAM upgrade for the 560, and saw a post from this company on the laptop forsale group advertising it for $164.95 plus shipping. Looks like the best deal so far, but I'm wondering if anyone can provide references for the company re Thinkpad RAM? Comments? epbrown PS I decided not to send my Thinkpad in for the display thingie. I missed the delivery of the box from EZ-Serv, and the longer I have it the less it really bothers me. I only notice the spots when using a gray background, and I don't really use one that often, so I figure what the hell. Mostly, I hate giving up the 560 while I'm being jerked around waiting for the Kiwi to get back (sent in 10/27). Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 21:58:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251707525; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:58:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20832; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:54:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20666; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net (aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net [208.140.84.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20654; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:53:55 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ibm.net (s13-pm21.snwestsac.campus.mci.net [208.155.131.92]) by aus-a.mp.campus.mci.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15450; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 21:47:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <347647CC.7D7630FB@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 19:47:41 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Erudite Memory? References: <34784054.91075062@smtp.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought a 16MB chip for my 701 from Erudite (back when it cost what a 32MB chip does now), and was completely satisfied with the price and prompt service. They even had it shipped to me directly from Viking. I'm still using the chip... T. Wiseman From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 22:17:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259278627; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:17:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21545; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:14:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21431; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2.america.net (web2.america.net [206.113.230.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21419; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:14:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from tiit.nalu.net (pm1-4.nalu.net [208.215.120.54]) by web2.america.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA27554 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:13:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19971121221444.007b76a0@pop.nalu.net> X-Sender: kata@pop.nalu.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:14:44 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kata Koppel Subject: 750P making funny noise... =( Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, My used and just out of warranty 750P has decided to start making a really annoying whirring/electronic-y noise. It sounds a lot like a fan that is noisy, but it's coming from the side of my HD and I'm afraid the HD may be the culprit. It varies in intensity, sometimes very loud, others not so loud, but it starts as soon as I turn my computer on. Help! Any ideas? Thanks, Kata From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 21 23:15:28 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285092127; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:15:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22899; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:12:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22745; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.ufp.com (richardl.vip.best.com [206.86.219.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22733; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:12:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from richardl@localhost) by enterprise.ufp.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00347; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:10:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:10:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711220410.UAA00347@enterprise.ufp.com> From: Richard Levenberg To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34784054.91075062@smtp.enteract.com> (epbrown@enteract.com) Subject: Re: Erudite Memory? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu PS I decided not to send my Thinkpad in for the display thingie. I missed the delivery of the box from EZ-Serv, and the longer I have it the less it really bothers me. I only notice the spots when using a gray background, and I don't really use one that often, so I figure what the hell. It will get worse and worse with time. As an addendum, to my last post my bosses machine that seemed to be fine is now displaying the same problem. So I looked and sure enough ( made in mexico ). He is getting a 770 so doesnt care much but it is still an indicator. richardl From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 22 00:08:56 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008585336; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:08:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23090; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:13:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22822; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22766; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA17429; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:14:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 20:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Kata Koppel Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750P making funny noise... =( In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971121221444.007b76a0@pop.nalu.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Kata Koppel wrote: > Help! Any ideas? Back up your important data before it goes completely bad and start shopping for a replacement drive. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 22 01:05:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA033308724; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:05:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25816; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:24:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25585; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25573; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from yo ([12.70.44.39]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA20983 for ; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 05:23:52 +0000 From: "Mik Tip" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: WTB: 760 Parts! Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:21:35 -0600 Message-Id: <01bcf706$8041ed80$272c460c@yo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BCF6D4.35A77D80" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BCF6D4.35A77D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm looking for the parts, or assembly, of items utilized to install a=20 "bare-bones" hard drive into my 760EL. Recently I purchased a 3.2gig hard drive, and utilized the original hard = drive carrier parts to install it. So now I have a 1 gig that is bare-bones, no carrier! I would still like to utilize the 1gig. What I need is the plastic tray, top cover, electrical connector, and = screws, needed to install a hard drive into the ultra-bay! I already have the "2nd HD Caddy"(IBM 29h9333), thats not what I'm = looking for! Any good source's, or if someone has one lying around, as a spare? Thanks! Mik ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BCF6D4.35A77D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BCF6D4.35A77D80-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 22 01:19:00 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039589539; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:18:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27042; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:16:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26948; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26936; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-i-13.usc.edu [128.125.224.85]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA06384; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:16:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971121221504.00c0b4b8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:17:53 -0800 To: JC Zalog , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: TP750 memory Cc: "'lnarrow@ibm.net'" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:21 PM 11/21/97 -0600, JC Zalog wrote: >There are two type of memory for the TP 750 series. DIMMs (Dual Inline Memory Modules) and DRAMs. I think you purchased a DIMM. The DIMM requires the IBM TP Memory Module Adapter (84G2151). This is a small adapter which holds the DIMM chip and plugs into the TP under the floppy drive. The Adapter can hold two DIMMs. This may be true of the 755's (I don't know--I never had one), but it was never the case that the 750 series ever took a DIMM of any kind. Just the PCMCIA-card looking thing. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 22 04:28:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA117260911; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:28:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02838; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:27:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:25:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02724; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from kensey.clearstation.com (kensey.clearstation.com [207.21.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02712; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 04:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (kensey@localhost) by kensey.clearstation.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA18889; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:10:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 01:10:32 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Fairclough X-Sender: kensey@kensey To: Mik Tip Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: WTB: 760 Parts! In-Reply-To: <01bcf706$8041ed80$272c460c@yo> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu dont all the vendors sell kits to facilitate this ?? coments ? doug On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Mik Tip wrote: > I'm looking for the parts, or assembly, of items utilized to install a > "bare-bones" hard drive into my 760EL. > > Recently I purchased a 3.2gig hard drive, and utilized the original hard drive carrier parts > to install it. So now I have a 1 gig that is bare-bones, no carrier! > I would still like to utilize the 1gig. > > What I need is the plastic tray, top cover, electrical connector, and screws, needed to install > a hard drive into the ultra-bay! > > I already have the "2nd HD Caddy"(IBM 29h9333), thats not what I'm looking for! > > Any good source's, or if someone has one lying around, as a spare? > > Thanks! > > Mik > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 22 14:19:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA053826368; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 14:19:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18880; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:18:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18592; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18580; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 13:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts04.loop.net (p20.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.155]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA10622; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 10:16:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711221816.KAA10622@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kata Koppel" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 11:08:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 750P making funny noise... =( Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:14:44 -0500, Kata Koppel wrote: >Hi, > >My used and just out of warranty 750P has decided to start making a really >annoying whirring/electronic-y noise. It sounds a lot like a fan that is >noisy, but it's coming from the side of my HD and I'm afraid the HD may be >the culprit. It varies in intensity, sometimes very loud, others not so >loud, but it starts as soon as I turn my computer on. > Maybe the bearings in the hard drive motor are wearing out, and I would be supprised since it is still early, or something is wrong in there. I suggest backing up all important data immediately just in case something DOES happen. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 00:47:23 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009724041; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:47:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01900; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:43:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01652; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01624; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts04.loop.net (p11.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.146]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29515; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:41:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230541.VAA29515@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "...@ibm.net" <...@ibm.net>, "Leonard Narrow" , "think pad llst" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:07:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP750 memory Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:02:11 -0500, Leonard Narrow wrote: >What do TP 750 memory chips look like? There's a space under the floppy >for something about the size and shape of a pcmcia card. But the chip I >just got mail order today looks like a desktop's SIMM cut in half. Does >it get installed elsewhere, or did they send me the wrong piece? > >I'm sort of in a rush--please respond ASAP. > >Thanks, >Leonard >613@ibm.net > If the 750 has a space under the floppy, then that's for the memory card. I had that in my 355C. They probably sent you the wrong part. It sounds to me like they sent you a SO-DIMM or something. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 00:47:29 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009834048; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:47:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01913; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:44:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01683; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01670; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts04.loop.net (p11.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.146]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29519; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:41:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230541.VAA29519@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bharat Patel" , "Gregg Ginsberg" , "jay" , "Mike Ford" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:09:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:55:21 -0500, Bharat Patel wrote: >Try these two methods .. see if it works .. > >(01) Take a big heavy magnet and run it through .. see if it erases the >entire harddrive .. with password. >(02) Find a similar used or new harddrive .. try to replace circuitry and >see if you can remove harddrive .. i was able to recover my entire harddrive >data by replacing circuit board .. and had all my data recovered .. > >GOOD LUCK .. > Or take it out of the caddy, and call IBM with the FRU number on the drive itself. The caddy's number is way different than that of the drive itself. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 01:12:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021075553; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 01:12:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02066; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:45:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01737; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01725; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts04.loop.net (p11.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.146]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29526; Sat, 22 Nov 1997 21:41:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711230541.VAA29526@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bharat Patel" , "Cottrell, Eric" , "Gregg Ginsberg" , "jay" , "Mike Ford" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 13:13:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:03:19 -0500, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >> >>(01) Take a big heavy magnet and run it through .. see if it erases the >>entire harddrive .. with password. > >Sure way to destroy any hard drive. Alot of designs have special >servo tracks to do positioning. This would also wipe out low level >formatting. It is a rare case that you can low level format an ide >drive. >This is partly due to the special methods like Zone Bit >Recording used. I doubt that you could recover servo tracks even >if you could low level format the drive. I don't know about that. I've low level formatted IDE, MFM, RLL, and SCSI drives with no problems, and just fdisk it with OS/2 or Linux's fdisk util. But I am sure that a magnet would still do damage. If you want the data really badly, send the drive to ontrack data recovery or a similiar company. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 10:26:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233288793; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:26:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18427; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:21:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18323; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cheetah.cs.ucla.edu (Cheetah.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.132.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18310; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:21:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from damon@localhost) by cheetah.cs.ucla.edu (8.8.5/UCLACS-3.0) id HAA25099 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:21:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:21:15 -0800 (PST) From: Damon Liu Message-Id: <199711231521.HAA25099@cheetah.cs.ucla.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760XD versus 765D Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can anyone compare the ThinkPad 760XD and 765D? These two machines have similar features except for the screen sizes. However, the reseller price of a new 760XD (12.1-in) is usually higher than that of a new a 765D (13.3-in). Why? Thanks. //damon From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 19:12:51 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA134990370; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:12:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06988; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:06:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06750; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06726; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:05:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from 20715982108.bellatlantic.net (20715982108.bellatlantic.net [207.159.82.108]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id TAA04073 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net (Sir Gwynz) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Direct-X on 365XD Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 03:05:38 GMT Message-Id: <3478eb5d.4487153@core.iconnet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello. I've recently tried installing Direct-X v5.0 on my 365XD but during the installation I was warned that my video chipset may not be compatible. However, the info on Microsoft's website states that the Cyber 9320 chipset (the driver I have installed from IBM's site) is indeed supported under DX5. But according to the Hardware Compatibility section of the website, the Cyber9320 is supported only under NT (I'm running under Win95). Is there an alternate video driver I can use with DX5 or is it ok to ignore the warning? Thanks for any help! sirgwynz@bellatlantic.net =20 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 19:49:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151052587; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:49:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07763; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:47:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07667; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:47:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07655; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02101; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:45:10 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA28877; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 14:47:59 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711240047.OAA28877@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: (TPall) Web archive for 'legacy' products? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 14:47:59 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The IBM web site expunges information about 'legacy' products with alarming speed. While they do keep info online about older Thinkpads, information about older options seems to disappear as soon as the option is superceded. Does anyone know other sites with this kind of legacy information? (For example, their 4x pcmcia cdrom was replaced a couple of months ago by an 8/20x cav model. I've just been offered the former, and can't find any specs on it. Even the faxback doc number for the 4x which appears in the options book that came with my TP560 just returns the spec sheet for the newer drive. I've run into this on other products as well.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 20:24:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165484657; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:24:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08929; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:21:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08761; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08749; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p221.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.31]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA30247 for ; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:16:08 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <3478D518.36649852@socket.net> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:15:04 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (TPall) Web archive for 'legacy' products? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711240047.OAA28877@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi David, IBM PC Canada seems to have different standards about what they keep. Sometimes you can find info on their site that you can't on the main IBM site. Lewis David Ross wrote: > > The IBM web site expunges information about 'legacy' products with > alarming speed. While they do keep info online about older Thinkpads, > information about older options seems to disappear as soon as the > option > is superceded. Does anyone know other sites with this kind of legacy > information? (For example, their 4x pcmcia cdrom was replaced a > couple of > months ago by an 8/20x cav model. I've just been offered the former, > and can't find any specs on it. Even the faxback doc number for the 4x > which > appears in the options book that came with my TP560 just returns the > spec sheet for the newer drive. I've run into this on other products > as > well.) > > - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 22:03:47 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205480627; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:03:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11965; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:00:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11836; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mrin86.mail.aol.com (mrin86.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.196]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11787; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:59:05 -0500 (EST) From: Received: (from root@localhost) by mrin86.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA17701 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:58:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:58:34 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <971123215834_1182293733@mrin86.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: information on tp750ce screen(10.4 in) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu With win 95, I cannot adjust the resolution too 800x600 even though 95 recognises the 800x600 and 256 color screen. Ibm has a fix/asjuster for the win 3.1, and os2, but not win 95. any ideas? Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 23:16:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234034967; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:16:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13973; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:07:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13852; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13820; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-d-60.usc.edu [128.125.222.132]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA01872; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:06:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971123191959.00c168f4@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:07:52 -0800 To: From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: information on tp750ce screen(10.4 in) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:58 PM 11/23/97 -0500, RMORTENSEN@aol.com wrote: >With win 95, I cannot adjust the resolution too 800x600 even though 95 >recognises the 800x600 and 256 color screen. Ibm has a fix/asjuster for the >win 3.1, and os2, but not win 95. any ideas? Are you talking about a so-called "virtual screen" where your screen actually *shows* 640x480, but it allows you to sort of pan around in a "larger" area? 'cuz if you're trying to actually *see* 800x600 on the 750's screen, that's just not going to happen. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 23 23:21:46 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236545305; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:21:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14483; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:18:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14300; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14264; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts15.loop.net (p27.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.252]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA25120; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:16:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711240416.UAA25120@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 21:07:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (TPall) Web archive for 'legacy' products? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:15:04 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi David, >IBM PC Canada seems to have different standards about what they keep. >Sometimes you can find info on their site that you can't on the main IBM >site. >Lewis > I went to IBM Canada's site, and even found specs on my old PS/2's, XT's, and PC's. I don't remember if I saw any of the legacy ThinkPads, though. I forgot. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 02:54:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023798096; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:54:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19624; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:51:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19512; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:51:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19495; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 02:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17906 invoked by uid 30256); 24 Nov 1997 07:51:48 -0000 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 08:51:47 +0100 (MET) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Q: 760EL, W95 and Token Ring Auto 16/4 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Harald Milz wrote: > Hi, I have some problems getting my Token Ring Auto 16/4 Credit Card > adapter to work with Win95 (not OSR2). The card will be recognized but is > not available due to some hardware conflict that is not specified. I cannot > configure the card manually either because there is no conflicting other > hardware shown. W95 help doesn't give the slightest clue. I have Card > Services 4.07 installed. This might not be a hardware conflict, but a driver problem. Windows95 and NT 4.0 insist on installing an adapter that is not compatible with the card. Try getting the latest driver from IBMs web site (http://www.pcco.ibm.com/listfiles.html). > I am told that there is a fix somewhere on the net but have no idea where > to find it. Can anyone help? Thanks! It's a new driver for the cards, not a bug fix CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn. E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 10:18:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA195024716; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:18:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09648; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08844; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08832; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from socket.net ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA04271 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:08:33 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34799A22.F3C4405D@socket.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:15:46 -0600 From: Lewis Mills X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 500 Batteries References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If any of you are interested, here's the URL to NiMH batteries up for auction. Sometimes you can get a good price at these auctions, but sometimes not! http://iguana.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2307006 Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 11:39:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232019559; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:39:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14184; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:35:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:32:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14008; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13973; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8) with SMTP id LAA19227 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BCF8CC.CCED6CA0@ntmail.tiac.net>; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:33:35 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Bharat Patel'" , "'Gregg Ginsberg'" , "'jay'" , "'Mike Ford'" , "'Steve Hultquist'" , "'Paul Khoury'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: HD Protect Passwords Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:33:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I don't know about that. I've low level formatted IDE, MFM, RLL, and SCSI >drives with no problems, >and just fdisk it with OS/2 or Linux's fdisk util. But I am sure that a >magnet would still do >damage. If you want the data really badly, send the drive to ontrack data >recovery or a similiar company. > >Paul > Well most IDE drives do not allow low level formatting like you could do with MFM drives. There was one IDE drive maker that had a low level format program that could be used on some of the smaller capacity (i.e. older) IDE drives. >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 11:42:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233549729; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:42:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14565; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:38:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14403; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:38:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14385; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18407 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 16:38:29 -0000 Received: from azathoth-5.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.53) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 16:38:29 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560] Hibernation and Suspend using FAT32 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:38:25 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <347aabc4.25927702@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, I've had the Kite long enough to feel comfortable with it, and all of the back-up diskettes are made. It's time to format and re-install this puppy to remove any extraneous crap I'll never use again. Only two questions remain: Does the file for hibernate and suspend get written properly on a disk using FAT32? I know from writing the FAQ that lots of systems have trouble with this, but am hoping that with OSR2 shipping on systems regularly until 98 arrives that IBM has fixed this. Anyone attempted it? Also, while I ran Diskette Factory and it's cousins to create all the floppies I'll need, what I'd like to do is install Windows from a pc card hard drive. Does anyone know what I'd need to copy from the /Cabs directory to get an install disk, aside from all the .cab files themselves? Thanks in advance, epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 14:30:40 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA011029839; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:30:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24423; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:26:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24245; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24232; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06016; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:24:29 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA01561; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:27:19 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711241927.JAA01561@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] Hibernation and Suspend using FAT32 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 9:27:19 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <347aabc4.25927702@smtp.enteract.com>; from "epbrown" at Nov 24, 97 4:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > and all of the back-up diskettes are made. It's time to format and > re-install this puppy to remove any extraneous crap I'll never use > again. I would do this with some care. Genuine crap (like the online service stuff) is easily tossed; apparent crap (like the PC Card director) can turn out unexpectedly useful! (I recently used it when debugging a portable CDROM installation. Incidentally - for the record, CMS Enhancements CDROM drives don't appear to be compatible with the 560. > Does the file for hibernate and suspend get written properly on a > disk using FAT32? You probably know this, but (a) FAT32 will slow your system down marginally, (b) make some DOS apps not work, (c) lose you some degree of IBM support, (d) was the single largest source of problems on alt.windows95 before the introduction of IE4, and (e) will reclaim less space than drivespace, even if the latter is in 'no compression' mode. Just a reminder. > pc card hard drive. Does anyone know what I'd need to copy from the > /Cabs directory to get an install disk, aside from all the .cab files > themselves? This is discussed at length in the Windows 95 FAQ; what I've done in a similar situation is (a) had all the 'dos' stuff (from \windows\command), (b) The setup and config files from disk 1 of the backup set you made with the factory. - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 15:30:30 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA039573429; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:30:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27092; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:12:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26887; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26875; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27660 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 20:12:16 -0000 Received: from kebob-38.d.enteract.com (207.229.149.243) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 20:12:16 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Hibernation and Suspend using FAT32 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:11:49 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <347af954.879558@smtp.enteract.com> References: <199711241927.JAA01561@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <199711241927.JAA01561@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 24 Nov 97 9:27:19 HST, you wrote: >> and all of the back-up diskettes are made. It's time to format and >> re-install this puppy to remove any extraneous crap I'll never use >> again. > >I would do this with some care. Genuine crap (like the online service = stuff) >is easily tossed; apparent crap (like the PC Card director) can turn out >unexpectedly useful! (I recently used it when debugging a portable CDROM >installation. Incidentally - for the record, CMS Enhancements CDROM = drives >don't appear to be compatible with the 560. Yep, I'm being careful, and made all the IBM diskettes for this even though I prefer Windows 95's card management (heresy! I know). > >> Does the file for hibernate and suspend get written properly on a >> disk using FAT32? > >You probably know this, but (a) FAT32 will slow your system down = marginally, >(b) make some DOS apps not work, (c) lose you some degree of IBM = support,=20 >(d) was the single largest source of problems on alt.windows95 before = the >introduction of IE4, and (e) will reclaim less space than drivespace, = even >if the latter is in 'no compression' mode. Just a reminder. I wasn't aware of E, and I'm nervous enough as it is. I'll rephrase that - any known trouble using Drivespace3 then? >> pc card hard drive. Does anyone know what I'd need to copy from the >> /Cabs directory to get an install disk, aside from all the .cab files >> themselves? > >This is discussed at length in the Windows 95 FAQ; what I've done in a = similar >situation is (a) had all the 'dos' stuff (from \windows\command), (b) = The setup and >config files from disk 1 of the backup set you made with the factory. Speaking of OSR2, I got my Kiwi laptop back about an hour ago. They claimed to have replaced my drive because it had a bad sector. I'm suspiciously amazed, since they seem to have gone out and purchased the exact drive I used to have - a Toshiba 1926FCV. I see them around, but not a lot. I'll be running Scandisk to see if there are any bad sectors - my drive had ONE and has had it since I bought the laptop, which Kiwi didn't notice on two previous trips in. Aside from that, I had Windows A and they loaded B, without giving me any media for it - no CD-ROM, no .cab files, nada. Just changed some settings and had no source files to read from. Wonderful. They *also* forgot to send back my floppy drive. And as they've had the darn thing a MONTH, I'm constantly reaching for a trackpoint rather than the touchpad. Can't wait till I get this puppy set up as my server (trying to get a mini-network going as an experiment), and use the 560 full-time. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 17:24:44 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093600283; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:24:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03400; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:04:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02899; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02880; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwhittle.usc.edu (acc300c.usc.edu [128.125.48.175]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA24031; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:04:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19971124140359.0083a330@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:04:10 -0800 To: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP560] Hibernation and Suspend using FAT32 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:11 PM 11/24/97 GMT, epbrown wrote: > I wasn't aware of E, and I'm nervous enough as it is. I'll rephrase >that - any known trouble using Drivespace3 then? FYI, you *cannot* use Drivespace on a FAT32 drive. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 18:06:21 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112812781; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:06:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05699; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:54:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05128; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05105; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id OAA20955 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma880412044.020948; Mon, 24 Nov 97 14:54:04 -0800 Received: from pc-ellens.cadence.com (d15814090179 [158.140.90.179]) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA27863 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:52:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19971124145342.006a9d94@mailhub.cadence.com> X-Sender: ellens@mailhub.cadence.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:53:42 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Ellen M. Sentovich" Subject: X and Linux on the 760 EL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have searched all the web pages I can find, tried several XConfig files, sometimes trying ibm setres first, and I still cannot get XFree86 3.3, which is distributed with Slackware 3.4, to bring up the expected X graphics on my machine. Has anyone done this, and can they help? I'm desperate! THanks! Ellen ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ellen M. Sentovich Cadence Berkeley Laboratories (510) 647-2807 2001 Addison Street, 3rd floor (510) 486-0205 (FAX) Berkeley, CA 94704-1103 ellens@cadence.com http://www-cad.eecs.berkeley.edu/~ellen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 18:10:07 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115113006; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:10:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05634; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:51:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05016; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.enteract.com (david.enteract.com [206.54.252.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04993; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:51:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5785 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 22:51:47 -0000 Received: from hezron-5.d.enteract.com (207.229.148.135) by david.enteract.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 22:51:47 -0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: Randal Whittle , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] Hibernation and Suspend using FAT32 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:51:46 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Message-Id: <347a04d7.191224@smtp.enteract.com> References: <3.0.32.19971124140359.0083a330@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19971124140359.0083a330@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:04:10 -0800, you wrote: > > FYI, you *cannot* use Drivespace on a FAT32 drive. That, I knew. I was speaking in the either/or sense :-) epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: Kiwi 680TX and IBM Thinkpad 560 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 22:07:34 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222617254; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:07:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14292; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:06:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:04:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14128; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us (nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us [157.22.187.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14113; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ppp09.dialin.nvc.cc.ca.us by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA26840; Mon, 24 Nov 97 19:04:11 -0800 Received: by fozztexx.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA03099; Mon, 24 Nov 97 19:04:07 -0800 X-Squishy-Bearz: Puffy, Cozy, Wuzz Wuzz, and Pierre X-Url: http://www.fozztexx.com/ From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:04:02 PST To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Caddy for 755cx 12.5mm drive? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8cl m68k) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8cl m68k Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought a 2.1gig, 12.5mm drive from Fry's yesterday, but I kinda need a caddy for it. The connector I had in an old caddy doesn't work anymore, and the holes don't line up anyway. I'd sure like to get one of those snazzy caddies that the 540meg drive that came with my ThinkPad has, rather than one of the clunky metal cases that is around my 19mm 1gig drive. At the moment I've just borrowed the connector from the metal case, so the drive is just floating in there. Where can I get a caddy for the drive? --- Chris Osborn FozzTexx Enterprises 707 226 7629 - Voice 2136 Coronado Ave. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94559 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Nov 24 23:26:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257651997; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:26:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15475; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:23:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15239; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15224; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p114.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.154]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30878 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:20:43 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <347A4349.9B5BAED5@socket.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:17:29 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Caddy for 755cx 12.5mm drive? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Chris, If the market for 755 caddies is anything like the market for 701 caddies, you may be in for a bit of a struggle. I found that most companies that have caddies only want to sell them with their (overpriced) drives. Portable Enhancements was willing to sell a caddy by itself, but htey wanted more for the caddy than another company did for a 160M drive in a caddy! I'd guess your best bet would be to advertise and try to find an individual who has an extra one and is willing to part with it for a reasonable sum. I bought two caddies for my still dark 701 [I'm still looking for an LCD panel or a Multiport II]: one for $60 and one for $20. Good luck. Lewis Chris Osborn wrote: > > I bought a 2.1gig, 12.5mm drive from Fry's yesterday, but I kinda > need a caddy for it. The connector I had in an old caddy doesn't > work anymore, and the holes don't line up anyway. > > I'd sure like to get one of those snazzy caddies that the 540meg > drive that came with my ThinkPad has, rather than one of the clunky > metal cases that is around my 19mm 1gig drive. At the moment I've > just borrowed the connector from the metal case, so the drive is > just floating in there. > > Where can I get a caddy for the drive? > > --- > Chris Osborn FozzTexx Enterprises > 707 226 7629 - Voice 2136 Coronado Ave. > 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94559 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 25 13:03:20 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA003710999; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:03:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24577; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24134; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail3.access.digex.net (mail3.access.digex.net [205.197.247.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24112; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by mail3.access.digex.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA01849; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09384; Tue, 25 Nov 97 12:53:21 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA18964; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:53:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:53:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Kata Koppel Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750P making funny noise... =( In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19971121221444.007b76a0@pop.nalu.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Kata Koppel wrote: > My used and just out of warranty 750P has decided to start making a really > annoying whirring/electronic-y noise. It sounds a lot like a fan that is > noisy, but it's coming from the side of my HD and I'm afraid the HD may be > the culprit. It varies in intensity, sometimes very loud, others not so > loud, but it starts as soon as I turn my computer on. > > Help! Any ideas? The other assessments are correct. Your hard drive is trying to throw a bearing. My 750 did this. The drive was an OEM I'd installed in the caddy so warranty service was not an option. I shoved the machine in a drawer (to muffle the sound) and used it as a network server. It ran for about 6 months before the drive finally quit on me (with the whirring sound slowly increasing to a grinding sound). DON'T take that as a sign you should not hurry - these things vary. It could die tomorrow, it could die a year from now. Backup and look into buying a new drive. Since your caddy will still be usable, you can just buy a new 2.5" drive and use your old caddy. Shouldn't be more than a couple hundred dollars. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 25 16:39:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA105073956; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:39:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06016; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:27:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05738; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05725; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:27:19 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BCF9A7.6A7C0AA0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:38:30 -0800 Message-Id: <01BCF9A7.6A7C0AA0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'Chris Osborn'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Caddy for 755cx 12.5mm drive? Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:38:28 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a bunch of these. All used but OK. Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot of plastic trimming.) Caddy by itself $39 US 3rd party caddies are over $50 and ugly ;-} Disk by itself $39 US Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much over $4 Warrany ? Against DOA .... ..peter.. 604-222-7384 work and voice mail vancouver CANADA ---------- From: Chris Osborn[SMTP:fozztexx@fozztexx.com] Sent: Monday, November 24, 1997 7:04 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Caddy for 755cx 12.5mm drive? I bought a 2.1gig, 12.5mm drive from Fry's yesterday, but I kinda need a caddy for it. The connector I had in an old caddy doesn't work anymore, and the holes don't line up anyway. I'd sure like to get one of those snazzy caddies that the 540meg drive that came with my ThinkPad has, rather than one of the clunky metal cases that is around my 19mm 1gig drive. At the moment I've just borrowed the connector from the metal case, so the drive is just floating in there. Where can I get a caddy for the drive? --- Chris Osborn FozzTexx Enterprises 707 226 7629 - Voice 2136 Coronado Ave. 707 253 3063 - Fax Napa, CA 94559 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 25 18:15:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152979736; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:15:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10674; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:07:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10573; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from MARVIN.ANTDIV.GOV.AU (marvin.antdiv.gov.au [147.66.8.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10559; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from TACT ([147.66.13.14]) by MARVIN.ANTDIV.GOV.AU with SMTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:06:57 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:09:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Neil Mclean" Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: <880556964-0-neil_mcl@antdiv.gov.au> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes X-Notes-Logo: StdNotesLtr34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <880556964-1-neil_mcl@antdiv.gov.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oops! The user to unsubscribe is nmclean@pcug.org.au Neil Mclean ---------------------- Forwarded by Neil Mclean on 26/11/97 10:08 --------------------------- Neil Mclean 26/11/97 09:49 To: thinkpad @ cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe Dear listowner, Lost the instructions for unsubscribing in a nasty crash. :( Please remove me from the thinkpad list. Thanks..... _____________________________________________ Neil McLean neil_mcl@antdiv.gov.au nmclean@ibm.net Senior Electrical Fitter Mechanic (SEFM) Casey Station - 1998 On the way to the ice...is nice!. _____________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 25 18:26:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158400417; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:26:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09525; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:48:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09393; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from MARVIN.ANTDIV.GOV.AU (marvin.antdiv.gov.au [147.66.8.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09370; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from TACT ([147.66.13.14]) by MARVIN.ANTDIV.GOV.AU with SMTP; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 9:47:17 +1100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:49:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Neil Mclean" Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: <880555784-0-neil_mcl@antdiv.gov.au> X-Mailer: IBM OS/2 Internet Mail Client Support for Lotus Notes X-Notes-Logo: StdNotesLtr34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Id: <880555784-1-neil_mcl@antdiv.gov.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe Dear listowner, Lost the instructions for unsubscribing in a nasty crash. :( Please remove me from the thinkpad list. Thanks..... _____________________________________________ Neil McLean neil_mcl@antdiv.gov.au nmclean@ibm.net Senior Electrical Fitter Mechanic (SEFM) Casey Station - 1998 On the way to the ice...is nice!. _____________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Nov 25 18:52:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA172111929; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:52:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12229; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:48:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12125; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12107; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from wwsi.com (166-93-58-17.rmi.net [166.93.58.17]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA32129; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:49:06 -0700 Message-Id: <347B642F.8BDDD890@wwsi.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:50:07 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: Worldwide Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Ellen M. Sentovich" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: X and Linux on the 760 EL References: <3.0.3.32.19971124145342.006a9d94@mailhub.cadence.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have you checked http://www.wwsi.com/tp-linux.html? -- Steve Hultquist, President Worldwide Solutions, Inc. the practical network and systems experts Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@wwsi.com +1.303.581.0800 http://www.wwsi.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 26 00:36:08 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082592567; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:36:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22808; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:31:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22489; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.netnevada.net (mail.netnevada.net [208.218.122.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22462; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:30:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711260530.AAA22462@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from merlin.netnevada.net [208.218.122.200] by mail.netnevada.net (SMTPD32-4.02) id A407282012C; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:30:47 PST8PDT X-Sender: merlin@mail.netnevada.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro 4.0 Release Candidate 2 (build 233) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:29:52 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Vernon Brooks Subject: (701) Cardbus? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Quick Q, does the 701 support CardBus? I am guessing not, since I am under the impression that it (cardbus) is essentially PCI for laptops. I just haven't bothered to spend the time to read the spec.. Thx. ------------------------------------------ - Vernon Brooks - - Net Nevada Systems Administrator - - Las Vegas, NV (702) NET-2000 - - PGP Public Key ID 0x2273E7C4 - - Encrypted Messages Preffered - ------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 26 00:44:57 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA086103097; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:44:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23317; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:41:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23112; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:41:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23074; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04167; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:45:25 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:45:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Vernon Brooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (701) Cardbus? In-Reply-To: <199711260530.AAA22462@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Vernon Brooks wrote: > Quick Q, does the 701 support CardBus? I am guessing not, since I am under > the impression that it (cardbus) is essentially PCI for laptops. I just > haven't bothered to spend the time to read the spec.. Thx. No. The 701 predates CardBus by quite a bit. =) ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Nov 26 01:24:10 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104405450; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:24:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24441; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:23:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:20:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24246; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24227; Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts10.loop.net (p27.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.102]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA13946; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:19:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711260619.WAA13946@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Vernon Brooks" Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 23:10:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (701) Cardbus? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:29:52 -0800, Vernon Brooks wrote: >Quick Q, does the 701 support CardBus? I am guessing not, since I am under >the impression that it (cardbus) is essentially PCI for laptops. I just >haven't bothered to spend the time to read the spec.. Thx. > Nope, but you are correct, that Cardbus is basically a PCI -> PCMCIA for notebooks. Since it is still relatively new, I don't know how far the OS/2 and Linux development is, but a lot of Cardbus devices are coming out now. 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Howell, PEBSCO Sales howellj4@nationwide.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 27 01:38:27 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149862706; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:38:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19146; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:33:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18916; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18893; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 01:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86033-1>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 07:32:43 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id HAA08474 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 07:31:55 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 07:06:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: X and Linux on the 760 EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ellen M. Sentovich (ellens@cadence.com) wrote: > I have searched all the web pages I can find, tried several XConfig > files, sometimes trying ibm setres first, and I still cannot get > XFree86 3.3, which is distributed with Slackware 3.4, to bring up the > expected X graphics on my machine. If you have the DSTN version, 3.3 is broke. Check my 760 EL site http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html and try avoiding Slackware. 99% of the installation and configuration problems I see are related to using Slackware. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 27 10:43:35 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA163495414; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 10:43:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05967; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:30:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05753; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:30:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fermi.cnam.fr (fermi.cnam.fr [163.173.128.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05734; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 09:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from (eronald@localhost) by fermi.cnam.fr (8.8.8/jpm-301097) id PAA11649 ; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:29:17 +0100 (MET) From: Edmund Ronald Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:29:17 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199711271429.PAA11649@fermi.cnam.fr> To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: X and Linux on the 760 EL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu if u have an el it means tft screen (me too). use redhat4.1 w. xfree and the cysomething program from the web. BUT MAKE SURE HARDWARE EXPANSION IS OFF (ps2 hvexp off or something...) all the best - edmund. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Nov 27 15:38:26 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282653105; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:38:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12419; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:34:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12239; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12227; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86034-2>; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:34:32 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id VAA11575 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:33:43 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:51:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: X and Linux on the 760 EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Edmund Ronald (eronald@cnam.fr) wrote: > if u have an el it means tft screen (me too). use redhat4.1 w. xfree No, there are also EL models with 800x600 DSTN (like mine). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 01:43:06 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214819385; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:43:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20230; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:41:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:38:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20090; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20078; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86048-2>; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:37:43 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id HAA12732 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 07:32:34 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 06:57:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Q: 760EL, W95 and Token Ring Auto 16/4 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: hmilz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lars Christian Evensen (larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no) wrote: > On Fri, 21 Nov 1997, Harald Milz wrote: > > > Hi, I have some problems getting my Token Ring Auto 16/4 Credit Card > > adapter to work with Win95 (not OSR2). > > This might not be a hardware conflict, but a driver problem. Windows95 and > NT 4.0 insist on installing an adapter that is not compatible with the > card. Try getting the latest driver from IBMs web site > (http://www.pcco.ibm.com/listfiles.html). I finally found the TRPCC2 stuff on the IBM ftp server, thanks. It works now. But additionally, I had an I/O address conflict which went unnoticed. The SB16 emulation used 0x220 as usual, and the TR driver wants to put the card to 0xA20. And guess what: someone chose to only decode the 10 LSB of the address. The SB16 now runs happily at 0x240... Thanks to all who helped! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 15:32:17 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154669136; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:32:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10285; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:31:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:29:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10183; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10171; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 15:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p254.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.64]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07563 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:26:30 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <347F2837.10A1F703@socket.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:23:19 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 701 password problem X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711200225.SAA28294@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi folks, I finally broke down and bought a new TFT screen for the used 701C that I bought with a cracked one. But now, the machine comes on, checks memory, and then demands my password! I know that some of you are probably reluctant to tell someone who could very well have stolen the notebook the way to remove a password. However, I can show proof of purchase of a sort. I bought it at an online auction; here's the URL: http://komodo.ebay2.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1207540 So how about it? Is there a fairly simply way to clear the password? I really would hate to have to spend the money to send it in! Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 19:10:32 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197102232; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:10:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13772; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:07:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:06:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13676; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13660; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p254.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.64]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA17389 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:02:42 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <347F5AE6.6832D31E@socket.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:59:34 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 701 case: how to get in? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711200225.SAA28294@stevie.loop.com> <347F2837.10A1F703@socket.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, One of the list members explained where the password clear jumper is, but he had little info on the case. In replacing the LCD, I have pretty well figured out how to take the top half apart. What is the procedure to get into the bottom half? I have a sinking feeling I'm going to have to take the top half apart again just to get into the bottom half. Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 20:32:50 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA212507170; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:32:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15129; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:30:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14994; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14982; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA00871 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:27:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711290127.RAA00871@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 18:21:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:59:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi, >One of the list members explained where the password clear jumper is, >but he had little info on the case. In replacing the LCD, I have pretty >well figured out how to take the top half apart. What is the procedure >to get into the bottom half? I have a sinking feeling I'm going to have >to take the top half apart again just to get into the bottom half. >Thanks, >Lewis > Trust me, you DON'T want to take apart the bottom part of the 701 unless: 1. You've got lots of patience, 2. You have a good flat work surface with lots of light, 3. You have all the right tools, 4. You have at least 2 or more hours. I have been here before, so I know what it's like. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 20:42:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213387735; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:42:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15563; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:40:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15488; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15471; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p254.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.64]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA22440 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:37:39 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <347F712A.F3A61F3B@socket.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:34:34 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711290127.RAA00871@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul, I agree I don't really want to take it apart, but unless I'm missing something, my choices are: 1) Take it apart and clear the password; 2) Never use it; or 3) Send it in. I'm not crazy about any of these, so if there are other choices, somebody please tell me! Thanks, Lewis Paul Khoury wrote: > Trust me, you DON'T want to take apart the bottom part of the 701 > unless: > > 1. You've got lots of patience, > > 2. You have a good flat work surface with lots of light, > > 3. You have all the right tools, > > 4. You have at least 2 or more hours. > > I have been here before, so I know what it's like. > > Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 21:18:03 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218269882; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:18:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16377; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:15:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16308; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16296; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:15:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p254.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.64]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24117; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:11:58 -0600 X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <347F7935.37E96665@socket.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:08:53 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: greg.alvandian@usu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711290127.RAA00871@ritchie.loop.com> <347F712A.F3A61F3B@socket.net> <347F7713.21AF@usu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Greg, Now you tell me! :) This is my first venture inside a notebook, and I've gotten the whole thing apart, but there's nothing this old desktop mechanic recognizes as a jumper. Just what is a "jumper pad" anyway? Somebody please reply quick while I still remember how it goes back together! Lewis Greg Alvandian wrote: > > Lewis Mills wrote: > > > > Hi Paul, > > I agree I don't really want to take it apart, but unless I'm missing > > something, my choices are: 1) Take it apart and clear the password; > 2) > > Never use it; or 3) Send it in. I'm not crazy about any of these, > so if > > there are other choices, somebody please tell me! > > Thanks, > > Lewis > > > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > > Trust me, you DON'T want to take apart the bottom part of the 701 > > > unless: > > > > > > 1. You've got lots of patience, > > > > > > 2. You have a good flat work surface with lots of light, > > > > > > 3. You have all the right tools, > > > > > > 4. You have at least 2 or more hours. > > > > > > I have been here before, so I know what it's like. > > > > > > Paul > You shouldn't need to take it apart to clear the password. the jumper > pads are accesible through the memory access plate. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 22:29:31 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235364171; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:29:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17613; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:28:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:28:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17531; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17519; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx08-26.teleport.com (ip-pdx03-21.teleport.com [206.163.123.86]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA11961 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:09:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:09:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711290209.SAA11961@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Recognizing that you apparently just bought some kind of display...and what you bought it for of course, sell it as parts? Someone else once said that it was a nightmare of monumental proportions. I saw an exploded diagram of the 701 somewhere in the ibm site but I don't recall where...and it included a disassembly sequence I think. Did you use this Paul? Bryan At 07:34 PM 11/28/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Paul, >I agree I don't really want to take it apart, but unless I'm missing >something, my choices are: 1) Take it apart and clear the password; 2) >Never use it; or 3) Send it in. I'm not crazy about any of these, so if >there are other choices, somebody please tell me! >Thanks, >Lewis > >Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Trust me, you DON'T want to take apart the bottom part of the 701 >> unless: >> >> 1. You've got lots of patience, >> >> 2. You have a good flat work surface with lots of light, >> >> 3. You have all the right tools, >> >> 4. You have at least 2 or more hours. >> >> I have been here before, so I know what it's like. >> >> Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 22:44:37 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237355077; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:44:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18063; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:43:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17975; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:43:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17962; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:43:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts15.loop.net (p12.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.237]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA04766 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 19:40:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711290340.TAA04766@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 20:33:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 18:09:43 -0800 (PST), Bryan Daum wrote: >Recognizing that you apparently just bought some kind of display...and what >you bought it for of course, sell it as parts? > >Someone else once said that it was a nightmare of monumental proportions. >I saw an exploded diagram of the 701 somewhere in the ibm site but I don't >recall where...and it included a disassembly sequence I think. Did you use >this Paul? > Nope. I was amazed how I got by with out it. And to think that the first time Easyserve wouldn't fix the machine, they damaged it worse off, so they sent me some parts, and made it look like I was to put them on myself. I actually still have them. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Nov 28 23:43:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248748605; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:43:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19072; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:42:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:41:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18996; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:41:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18984; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:41:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p254.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.64]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA31631 for ; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:38:32 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <347F9B92.99EB88E5@socket.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:35:30 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711200225.SAA28294@stevie.loop.com> <347F2837.10A1F703@socket.net> <347F5AE6.6832D31E@socket.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I believe I just rushed into one of those places where angels fear to tread. Everything came apart and went back together (apparently) fine, but... I now get no memory check, no numbers in the lower right corner - no characters at all on the screen. When I turn it on, the power light comes on, after a few seconds the screen comes on, and then a few seconds later, two beeps. Any guesses on what I've done? Lewis Lewis Mills wrote: > > Hi, > One of the list members explained where the password clear jumper is, > but he had little info on the case. In replacing the LCD, I have > pretty > well figured out how to take the top half apart. What is the > procedure > to get into the bottom half? I have a sinking feeling I'm going to > have > to take the top half apart again just to get into the bottom half. > Thanks, > Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 29 00:12:54 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253120373; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:12:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20540; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:11:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20463; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20444; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p254.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.64]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA00080; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:07:55 -0600 X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <347FA276.2970AE66@socket.net> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:04:54 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711290505.VAA26512@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:35:30 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: > > >Hi all, > >Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I believe I just rushed into > one > >of those places where angels fear to tread. Everything came apart > and > >went back together (apparently) fine, but... I now get no memory > check, > >no numbers in the lower right corner - no characters at all on the > >screen. When I turn it on, the power light comes on, after a few > >seconds the screen comes on, and then a few seconds later, two beeps. > >Any guesses on what I've done? > >Lewis > > > Yeah, the screen isn't connected. My machine also beeps twice, > because > my stupid TrackPoint III doesn't work. Do you have a VGA monitor, and > the > Multiport II to use? > > Better yet, what OS do you normally use? > > Paul Hi, I've got VGA monitors, but no Multiport II. The screen lights up, just doesn't display any messages. Would it do that if it's not connected properly? Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 29 00:20:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA255290859; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:20:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20915; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:19:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20837; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:19:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20825; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:19:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts09.loop.net (p22.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.67]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA27566; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:19:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711290519.VAA27566@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 22:10:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:04:54 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:35:30 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >> >> >Hi all, >> >Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I believe I just rushed into >> one >> >of those places where angels fear to tread. Everything came apart >> and >> >went back together (apparently) fine, but... I now get no memory >> check, >> >no numbers in the lower right corner - no characters at all on the >> >screen. When I turn it on, the power light comes on, after a few >> >seconds the screen comes on, and then a few seconds later, two beeps. >> >Any guesses on what I've done? >> >Lewis >> > >> Yeah, the screen isn't connected. My machine also beeps twice, >> because >> my stupid TrackPoint III doesn't work. Do you have a VGA monitor, and >> the >> Multiport II to use? >> >> Better yet, what OS do you normally use? >> >> Paul > >Hi, >I've got VGA monitors, but no Multiport II. The screen lights up, just >doesn't display any messages. Would it do that if it's not connected >properly? >Thanks, >Lewis > Check the LCD connection on the LCD. This is the easiest to get to. Looking head on at the TPAD, it's in the middle of the left side, on the back. Just take off the 4 screws on the LCD bezel. Otherwise, the MB to flex cable connection is coincedentially next to the C&T 65545 chip, if my memory serves me correct. But then you have to take apart the bottom half again. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 29 00:45:15 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260052315; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:45:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20359; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:07:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20102; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:06:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19887; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 00:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts09.loop.net (p22.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.67]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA26512; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:05:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711290505.VAA26512@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "lmills@socket.net" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 21:56:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:35:30 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi all, >Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I believe I just rushed into one >of those places where angels fear to tread. Everything came apart and >went back together (apparently) fine, but... I now get no memory check, >no numbers in the lower right corner - no characters at all on the >screen. When I turn it on, the power light comes on, after a few >seconds the screen comes on, and then a few seconds later, two beeps. >Any guesses on what I've done? >Lewis > Yeah, the screen isn't connected. My machine also beeps twice, because my stupid TrackPoint III doesn't work. Do you have a VGA monitor, and the Multiport II to use? Better yet, what OS do you normally use? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Nov 29 03:01:59 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281830518; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:01:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23431; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:59:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23305; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23293; Sat, 29 Nov 1997 02:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA02484; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 21:57:42 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA06994; Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:00:35 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199711290800.WAA06994@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 701 case: how to get in? To: allied@teleport.com (Bryan Daum) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 22:00:35 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199711290209.SAA11961@mail1.teleport.com>; from "Bryan Daum" at Nov 28, 97 6:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I saw an exploded diagram of the 701 somewhere in the ibm site but I don't > recall where...and it included a disassembly sequence I think. Did you use > this Paul? http://ibm-direct.e-com.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad701.htm (though I don't see a disassembly sequence - probably you have to go to the field manual site for this, and I've lost the bookmark for that one) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Nov 30 09:48:25 1997 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA175091304; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:48:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15717; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:43:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15559; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15547; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:43:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p208.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.18]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05763 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:40:17 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34817A0C.4FFDF3B2@socket.net> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:37:00 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 video: horizontal lines X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199711290505.VAA26512@stevie.loop.com> <347FA276.2970AE66@socket.net> <34809D0E.D3C0BB4@socket.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Sent this message last night, but I never got it myself, so I don't know if it went thru. If you all are seeing it twice, I apologize. Lewis > > Hi all, > I may be making some progress with this 701C. After reseating the LCD > ribbons, I now have a picture. However, it jumps around on the screen > and has a dozen or so narrow horizontal lines running through it. > Anybody have an opinion on whether this problem is likely to be a LCD > cable, LCD screen, or board-level component problem? > Thanks, > Lewis