From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 1 00:39:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA037693191; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:39:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19976; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:33:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19721; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from colin.muc.de (root@colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19708; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 00:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de ([193.174.4.10]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <86030-1>; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 06:33:26 +0100 Received: from seneca.muc.de (uucp@localhost) by slarti.muc.de (8.8.5/8.8.5) with muc.de id GAA07333 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 06:33:17 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:10:00 +0100 From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Rock Ridge Extensions, CDROM and 760EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: > I do not have a problem reading MSDOS based CDROMS in my Thinkpad. > I DO HAVE A PROBLEM, trying to read the Slackware Linux CD in my > Thinkpad. ( The CD uses Rock Ridge extensions if it is of any help. ) This is a software driver issue, not a hardware issue. > Does this have anything to do with ISO9660 format? How can I make > it work? I have been using all sorts of CDs on my TP760EL (including LST, Caldera etc.) so the problem must be with the CD or some manufacturing tolerance of either CD or the CDROM drive. In general, these CDs are just fine with the CD drive. Me at your place, I'd not use Slackware but another distribution like Red Hat. Perhaps they make better CDs too. There are too many el-cheapo-cheapo Slackware CDs around... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 1 02:14:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA076328854; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:14:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21774; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:06:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21490; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21478; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 02:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.56] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.229) with smtp for id ; Thu, 1 Jan 98 01:06:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 01:06:55 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: 701c modem won't connect Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought a used 701c. I love it, but I can't get the internal modem to connect anywhere. I've tried with ZOC, In-Joy and FaxWorks for OS/2. I've tried using AT&F as an init string. Nothing works. Well, actually I connected once with In-Joy, but then got a string of invalid fcs errors and a failed connection. I also sent a fax from a fax machine; the transmission seemed to go fine, then it failed with a comm error at the end. Oh, and where can I purchase the modem manual? It wasn't there when the machine arrived. Thanks. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 01/01/98, 01:06:44 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 1 13:30:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036829404; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:30:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07592; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:29:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:25:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07402; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:25:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com (d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com [195.212.29.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07390; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 13:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from d06lms02.emea.ibm.com by d06lmsgate.uk.ibm.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA118906; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:20:09 GMT Received: by UK.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D06AU012 id 5060200009418002; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:24:33 +0000 From: Pierre Milcent To: Subject: New member Message-Id: <5060200009418002000002L022*@MHS> Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 18:24:33 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My name is Pierre Milcent and i work for IBM France. My working machine= is a TP756D with 64 MB Ram and a 3GB HD. I run OS/2 Warp 4.0. Recently i app= lied Fixpak 5 and since the multimedia doesn't work. It seems that i install= ed the MPEG diskette II on OS/2 and it was a mistake. Fixpak 5 and these drive= rs are not going well together. Does someone know how to remove and/or reinstall MMPM without reinstall= ing OS/2 on such thinkpad ? Thanks. = From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 1 21:02:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235486566; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:02:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14674; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 21:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:59:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14554; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14542; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 20:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts12.loop.net (pkhoury@p23.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.158]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA18678; Thu, 1 Jan 1998 17:59:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801020159.RAA18678@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mdavis1@airmail.net" Date: Thu, 01 Jan 98 17:59:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701c modem won't connect Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I bought a used 701c. I love it, but I can't get the internal modem >to connect anywhere. I've tried with ZOC, In-Joy and FaxWorks for >OS/2. I've tried using AT&F as an init string. Nothing works. Well, >actually I connected once with In-Joy, but then got a string of >invalid fcs errors and a failed connection. I also sent a fax from a >fax machine; the transmission seemed to go fine, then it failed with >a comm error at the end. > >Oh, and where can I purchase the modem manual? It wasn't there when >the machine arrived. Thanks. > I too have noticed that the internal modem is flaky, and have had problems when using it with TCP/IP, though not as severe as what you described. It works fine for me with the Faxworks from Warp 4. You might be better off though using a PCMCIA modem anyways, though some say the modem works just fine. I assume you can get the manual from IBM; try calling their main number @ 1-800-426-3333, and they might me able to guide you from there. Ask for a publication dept. or something like that. Good luck. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 113 Threads. This machine's uptime is 3d 0h 2m 11s 843ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 11:55:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298990127; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:55:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08857; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:47:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08492; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (p57057.syspac.com [204.181.57.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08480; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0xoAGj-00011eC; Fri, 2 Jan 98 09:48 MST Message-Id: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 98 09:48 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: 701c modem won't connect Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I bought a used 701c. I love it, but I can't get the internal modem >to connect anywhere. I've tried with ZOC, In-Joy and FaxWorks for >OS/2. I've tried using AT&F as an init string. Nothing works. Well, >actually I connected once with In-Joy, but then got a string of >invalid fcs errors and a failed connection. I also sent a fax from a >fax machine; the transmission seemed to go fine, then it failed with >a comm error at the end. > >Oh, and where can I purchase the modem manual? It wasn't there when >the machine arrived. Thanks. > My wife has had no problems with the internal modem since we bought the Butterfly in August of '95. It has been used around the planet: North America, Europe, Southern Africa... The title of the manual is: "Using Your ThinkPad 701C/701CS Internal Modem". The part numbers are: GA27-4081-00 10H414 It was first published in January '95. David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 12:09:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006850988; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:09:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09965; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:07:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09729; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (eastgate.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.1.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09707; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:07:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg (d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.123.238]) by eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA04882 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:07:17 +0800 (SST) Received: by d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg with Microsoft Mail id <01BD17E4.98A25640@d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg>; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:12:01 +-800 Message-Id: <01BD17E4.98A25640@d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg> From: Poh Kian Hock To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:11:55 +-800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, Happy New Year. I've subscribed to this group for a few months now even though I don't = own a Thinkpad or a notebook for that matter. Well, today I bought myself a Thinkpad 560, with the following = conifguration: P133 mhz ( yup, no L2 cache ) 40 mb RAM ( but this should make up for it!) 1.08 gb HDD 12.1" TFT screen=20 56K Xircom PC Card I got it at a decent price coz it's not the newest model. So far I'm = quite happy with it except for one thing: The screen would once in a while flicker faintly, no streaks or anything = like that, just a bit like when you adjust the brightness button and it = slightly flickers while changing brightness. It happens both on AC as = well as battery. So far have not noticed any particular sequence or = pattern that goes with it. Since I've never owned a notebook before, can anyone tell me whether = this is normal for a new machine? Does anyone have this same problem? I = just hope that in the worst case it's just a driver problem. Many thanks in advance. Proud Thinkpad owner, Kian Hock From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 18:20:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182523212; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:20:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00846; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:17:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00703; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:17:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00691; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-2.d.enteract.com (x2-2.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.146]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id RAA17695 for ; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:17:36 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:17:23 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34ae1f93.2567047@mail.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just curious about this. I recently left the system in Suspend overnight, and when I opened the lid found I still had 95% battery life! I'm wondering if anyone has left the unit suspended for 48 hours or longer, and what readout they got. Since then, I haven't bothered powering down (about a week now) during the day - I just suspend until I'm ready to work, then charge as I go if possible. Also, in other news, I'm planning to install Windows 3.11 on this puppy, so any suggestions would be welcome. And I think Dave Ross said the Thinkpad Features program is 16-bit, am I remembering correctly? It'll work under 3.11? And I got a TDK 56k modem for Christmas, but I already misplaced the dongle TWICE, so I returned that puppy and am now using the USR XJ1560 to connect. Spookily fast folks, and comforting to know I won't have to upgrade again, since this is as fast as the phone lines can go :-) New Years Resolution, no hardware purchases during 1998 (I've *got* to keep a laptop longer than a year, this is getting ridiculous). I'd planned on getting the 560X 3Q 1998, but (as my editorial on my site mentions) I'm going to try this weird Electronic Amish type deal and see what happens. If things don't work out, well, the 560X is only going to be cheaper by then, right? epbrown ps: check my .sig, I sold my Kiwi and am down to Thinkpads only... Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 18:28:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185693694; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:28:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01373; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:27:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01208; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01195; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA14189; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:26:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801022326.PAA14189@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "epbrown@enteract.com" Date: Fri, 02 Jan 98 15:25:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Just curious about this. I recently left the system in Suspend >overnight, and when I opened the lid found I still had 95% battery >life! I'm wondering if anyone has left the unit suspended for 48 hours >or longer, and what readout they got. Since then, I haven't bothered >powering down (about a week now) during the day - I just suspend until >I'm ready to work, then charge as I go if possible. Well, I read somewhere that the 701's battery could last about 2 weeks on suspend mode, which is pretty cool, though I leave mine on now 24/7, along with 2 others to help with the RC5-64 Team Warped effort. :-) I could imagine that you should last at least a week or more, considering your battery went down only 5%. > New Years Resolution, no hardware purchases during 1998 (I've *got* >to keep a laptop longer than a year, this is getting ridiculous). I'd >planned on getting the 560X 3Q 1998, but (as my editorial on my site >mentions) I'm going to try this weird Electronic Amish type deal and >see what happens. If things don't work out, well, the 560X is only >going to be cheaper by then, right? Well, I am completely the opposite. I forgot what last years was, or the year before, like getting 10 new machines or something, which I'm WELL ABOVE. I guess for this year, a new ThinkPad with OS/2 Warp (of course!), and some decent upgrades. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 41m 21s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 18:47:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193754868; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:47:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02068; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:47:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:46:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01967; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01955; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:46:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id RAA16160; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:43:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34AD7CC6.52D3@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 17:48:22 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Poh Kian Hock Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen References: <01BD17E4.98A25640@d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've noticed that with my 360PE too. It acts like a short on my system. I haven't been able to determine if it does it all by itself or not. If you find something out, be sure to post your findings to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu! Poh Kian Hock wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Happy New Year. > > I've subscribed to this group for a few months now even though I don't own a Thinkpad or a notebook for that matter. > > Well, today I bought myself a Thinkpad 560, with the following conifguration: > > P133 mhz ( yup, no L2 cache ) > 40 mb RAM ( but this should make up for it!) > 1.08 gb HDD > 12.1" TFT screen > 56K Xircom PC Card > > I got it at a decent price coz it's not the newest model. So far I'm quite happy with it except for one thing: > > The screen would once in a while flicker faintly, no streaks or anything like that, just a bit like when you adjust the brightness button and it slightly flickers while changing brightness. It happens both on AC as well as battery. So far have not noticed any particular sequence or pattern that goes with it. > Since I've never owned a notebook before, can anyone tell me whether this is normal for a new machine? Does anyone have this same problem? I just hope that in the worst case it's just a driver problem. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Proud Thinkpad owner, > Kian Hock From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 19:28:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211277293; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:28:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03632; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:27:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03487; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03474; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17510; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:26:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA19310; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:26:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 16:26:52 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Team OS/2 Help Desk Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: OS/2 Warp 3.0 red box on TP 360 CSE In-Reply-To: <199801022326.PAA14189@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, I have an odd event happening from time to time. First the system setup; When I purchased this machine used a while back it had a copy of Win95 running on it. I ran the OS/2 Warp 3.0 fdisk and repatitioned the disk, I then formated the partitions C ( 10 megs) IBM PC DOS 7.0 & Win 3.1 FAT C (100 megs) OS/2 Warp 3.0 redbox HPFS D (100 megs) no OS HPFS E (320 megs) no OS HPFS I didn't think about it at the time but I ran format without any switches. Now the problem, from time to time a disk access will slow the system down so much that at first I believed it was freezing up. However if I leave it alone I will receive a message "a device attached to the system is not functioning". I now have several files that I have renamed "a bad spot". Any attempted to open or use those files will slow the system to sludge. Now when ever it happens I just rename the affected file. Any ideas? I'm wondering if there could have been something, like a hibernate memory image that the format didn't touch and is just sitting there causing this behavior? If no one has any better ideas I'll just back everything up and repartition and format with the /l switch. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 20:03:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225849412; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:03:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04904; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:02:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04810; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04797; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA08748; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:04:16 -0800 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 18:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Poh Kian Hock Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen In-Reply-To: <01BD17E4.98A25640@d123238.ppp123.cyberway.com.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 3 Jan 1998, Poh Kian Hock wrote: > P133 mhz...40 mb RAM...12.1" TFT screen > The screen would once in a while flicker faintly, no streaks or anything like that, just a bit like when you adjust the brightness button and it slightly flickers while changing brightness. I have the P120 version with the 12.1" TFT and 40MB of RAM and have never noticed any sort of flicker. There is the quick brightness of the fluourescent backlight to make sure it lights up just as it comes on, but after that it goes to whatever brightness setting you have it at. Your brightness slider pot may be noisy and need replacement. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 20:31:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237401063; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:31:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05755; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:29:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05622; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05610; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown ([32.100.190.215]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA42458 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 01:29:26 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 01:29:41 GMT Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-Id: <34af9240.3478764@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <34ae1f93.2567047@mail.enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <34ae1f93.2567047@mail.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 02 Jan 1998 23:17:23 GMT, epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) wrote: >New Years Resolution, no hardware purchases during 1998 (I've *got* >to keep a laptop longer than a year, this is getting ridiculous). I'd >planned on getting the 560X 3Q 1998, but (as my editorial on my site >mentions) I'm going to try this weird Electronic Amish type deal and >see what happens. If things don't work out, well, the 560X is only >going to be cheaper by then, right? Just read the editorial on your site Emanuel and I'll tell you, you're really nailin' it. My 701C was my "daily driver" until about six months ago when I got the urge to build the P133 desktop, with Win95B. Couple of weeks ago - I realized I wasn't all that happy using it and pulled the old 701C out. I realized at that time that for all the stuff I use, the 701C was just right. A little slow perhaps in comparison to the P133, but it eats up almost no desktop space in my apartment. It runs MS-Office Professional, Agent, Netscape and Aldus Pagemaker 6.0. Like you - I was on the "hamster wheel", buying new stuff and always looking for the latest and best. I know the 701C won't last forever, but the great IBM warranty still runs to this September. Maybe then I'll look for something else, then again, maybe not. The most used program on this machine is Agent (for mail and news) and the 701C doesn't strain with running it. Be sure to let us know how the "retro" to 3.11 goes. -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 2 22:47:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA295229241; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:47:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08241; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:47:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:45:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08121; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:45:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08108; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 22:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA05922; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 19:45:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801030345.TAA05922@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Fri, 02 Jan 98 19:44:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp 3.0 red box on TP 360 CSE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >When I purchased this machine used a while back it had a copy of Win95 >running on it. > >I ran the OS/2 Warp 3.0 fdisk and repatitioned the disk, I then formated >the partitions > >C ( 10 megs) IBM PC DOS 7.0 & Win 3.1 FAT >C (100 megs) OS/2 Warp 3.0 redbox HPFS >D (100 megs) no OS HPFS >E (320 megs) no OS HPFS > >I didn't think about it at the time but I ran format without any switches. > >Now the problem, from time to time a disk access will slow the system down >so much that at first I believed it was freezing up. However if I leave >it alone I will receive a message "a device attached to the system is not >functioning". I now have several files that I have renamed "a bad spot". >Any attempted to open or use those files will slow the system to sludge. > >Now when ever it happens I just rename the affected file. Any ideas? > >I'm wondering if there could have been something, like a hibernate memory >image that the format didn't touch and is just sitting there causing this >behavior? > Have you installed any fixpacks? >If no one has any better ideas I'll just back everything up and >repartition and format with the /l switch. > That probably would have been the best thing to do in the first place. I always format using the /l switch. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 21m 57s 156ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 00:03:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028523788; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:03:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10153; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:02:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:01:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09840; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09798; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 00:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10611; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:01:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07463; Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:01:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:01:00 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp 3.0 red box on TP 360 CSE In-Reply-To: <199801030345.TAA05922@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Have you installed any fixpacks? None, I'm running Warp 3.0 redbox and nothing I'm using on it, that I know of, needs any of the warp 3.0 fps. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 06:05:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA174965537; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:05:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23483; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:05:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:04:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23351; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23339; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 06:04:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from p15.hwts13.loop.net (p15.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.180]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA05705; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 03:02:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801031102.DAA05705@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 03:00:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp 3.0 red box on TP 360 CSE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:01:00 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >On Fri, 2 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >> Have you installed any fixpacks? > >None, I'm running Warp 3.0 redbox and nothing I'm using on it, >that I know of, needs any of the warp 3.0 fps. > Actually, apparently FP 32 makes Warp 3 Y2K compliant, so you might consider that, though. I think that FP 26 and up fix some printer problems, and 31 and up fix the CHKDSK problem. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 21m 57s 156ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 08:40:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232954801; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:40:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25480; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:35:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25386; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (root@starbase.neosoft.com [206.109.7.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25374; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 08:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ed (digital-02-158.hou.neoworld.net [206.109.29.158]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id HAA00456 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:34:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Dan Mailman" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 760ed Windows NT 4.0 mwave fax & telephone applications Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 07:33:27 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd184c$2c474010$2b0aa8c0@ed.AccessWare.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody been able to use the mwave modem to fax directly from windows NT 4.0 applications? what applications did you use? Ditto the ability to use the ThinkPad as a telephone, ala FocalPoint with Win95? Failing that, is there a PCMCIA card that can be used to provide these functionalities?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 19:12:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193692720; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:12:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07571; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:11:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:08:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07443; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07430; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:08:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-33.usc.edu [128.125.223.177]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA23941; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:08:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980103154102.00749aac@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:53:07 -0800 To: epbrown@enteract.com From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:17 PM 1/2/98 GMT, epbrown wrote: > Just curious about this. I recently left the system in Suspend >overnight, and when I opened the lid found I still had 95% battery >life! I'm wondering if anyone has left the unit suspended for 48 hours >or longer, and what readout they got. Since then, I haven't bothered >powering down (about a week now) during the day - I just suspend until >I'm ready to work, then charge as I go if possible. I rarely shut down--only suspend. It'll last with a reasonably good charge for a quite a few days. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 19:45:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207994737; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:45:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08512; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:45:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:44:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08434; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08419; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:44:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-33.usc.edu [128.125.223.177]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id QAA03762; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 16:44:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980103162533.00749a9c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:29:12 -0800 To: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Cc: "TP List" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:49 PM 12/31/97 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth >the money for the upgrade? Well, this is difficult for me to answer. I had wanted to just let the numbers speak for themselves and not render an opinion, but if forced, I'll editorialize a bit. In a nutshell, I don't think so--at least for me. I had a 486-75 MHz, so this upgrade boosted it to something about the same as a 486-100 MHz. Overall speed increase in typical applications...I'd say about 20%. For me, that's just not significant enough. For me, I require at *least* a 75% speed increase--preferably a 100% increase (at or near doubling) before I think its worth considering an upgrade. For me, in laptops I went >from a Sharp 386SX-20, to a ThinkPad 750 (486SL-33), to a TP 701 (486-75--but I have to say that the smaller form factor of the 701 made the less-than-stellar performance increase less of an important factor), to finally a TP 560 (Pentium 120). In every case, that was a speed increase of about 2x or better (a little less in the case of the 701 acquisition over the 750). That's just something I require before I spend money on a new machine. Now an upgrade may be something different for you than it is for me. I always very much liked the 701--so much so that I rather missed it when I moved to a 560 (I gave the 701 to my wife, so it was still around), but I got over it without too much pain. For you, your 701 may be so near and dear to you that you can't imagine leaving it for another computer. ;-) If so, by all means--consider whether a 20% increase in speed is worth it to you to pay for the upgrade (or maybe even a greater increase--keep in mind I was upgrading a 486-75--many of you hav 486-50's out there that would see a considerably greater speed increase of 40% to 50% instead of my mere 20%). So would I have paid for this upgrade? No--not unless the price was somewhat nominal. 20% speed increase just doesn't do it for me. I barely notice it the difference. But that doesn't mean it isn't it worth it to you or to someone else that has different things that are important to them. For me, I've grown to really like my 560. Its thinner form factor has actually become preferable to me over the 701's smaller, but thicker form factor. I no longer pine for my 701. But for those of you who can't get over that, by all means--this upgrade is one way in which you might be able to justify stretching another year or two of use out of it. One final note: PEP appears to be a very different outfit than they were a year or two ago when they annoyed us all with their blatant advertising on the list. Their new salesman, Leonard, has been most helpful in allowing us to do this and upgrading my machine free of charge so I could do the benchmarks and report to the list about the results. And when this question about "OK, cut through the numbers crap--was the upgrade worth it?" was posed, my first reaction was, "Well, I don't want to bias the results with my opinion--just let the numbers speak for themselves." I wrote Leonard and told him what my truthful opinion was--which you see in my note above. I didn't want to convey that to the list because it seemed ungrateful to all they had given us to do this. Leonard's reaction? "Tell them the truth." Now if you ask me, that's integrity--because he knew the truth was less than flattering to their upgrade product. The previous sales guy who used to infect our TP list used to tout claims of "Pentium-level performance" (and we now know that claim is a pile of manure). If that integrity is any indication of how things have changed at PEP, I'd have to re-think my prior negative impression of them. No agenda--just honesty. I was surprised and relieved because I really felt a conflict in providing these results. I was determined to remain unbiased and honest--and I was. the numbers you see in the benchmarks are the gosh-awful truth and are not monkeyed with. My personal opinion was that this upgrade was no big improvement. But having said that, I think you should examine the performance difference and see if its worth it to *you*, rather than simply echoing what I had to say. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 20:11:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219216271; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:11:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09379; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:10:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:10:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09308; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:10:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09289; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:10:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl (slip166-72-160-190.sc.us.ibm.net [166.72.160.190]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA38168; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:10:02 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980103200916.009785f0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:09:16 -0500 To: Randal Whittle From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980103162533.00749a9c@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:29 PM 1/3/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >One final note: > > PEP appears to be a very different outfit than they were a year or two ago >when they annoyed us all with their blatant advertising on the list. Their >new salesman, Leonard, has been most helpful in allowing us to do this and >upgrading my machine free of charge so I could do the benchmarks and report >to the list about the results. > > And when this question about "OK, cut through the numbers crap--was the >upgrade worth it?" was posed, my first reaction was, "Well, I don't want to >bias the results with my opinion--just let the numbers speak for >themselves." I wrote Leonard and told him what my truthful opinion >was--which you see in my note above. I didn't want to convey that to the >list because it seemed ungrateful to all they had given us to do this. >Leonard's reaction? "Tell them the truth." > > Now if you ask me, that's integrity--because he knew the truth was less >than flattering to their upgrade product. The previous sales guy who used >to infect our TP list used to tout claims of "Pentium-level performance" >(and we now know that claim is a pile of manure). > > If that integrity is any indication of how things have changed at PEP, I'd >have to re-think my prior negative impression of them. No agenda--just >honesty. I was surprised and relieved because I really felt a conflict in >providing these results. I was determined to remain unbiased and >honest--and I was. the numbers you see in the benchmarks are the >gosh-awful truth and are not monkeyed with. > FWIW, Leonard has been a participant for quite a while on the TP forum on CompuServe where people who are out-of-line are rather quickly squashed by the sysops. I don't think I've ever seen any complaints about him or PEP posted to the sysops. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 20:21:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223046877; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:21:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09945; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:20:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09856; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09838; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from brucemar ([12.68.0.46]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26558 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:19:41 +0000 Message-Id: <34AEE385.7C21@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:19:01 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: FS: IBM TP 755CDV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Group I have for sale a TP 755CDV with the following: Pentium 75 1.2 GB HDD 1.44 floppy 2X CD-ROM (can upgrade to 20X for $200 add'l) 10.4" active screen MWAVE sound/33.6 modem NiMH battery (but can use Li-Ion battery made for 760 series) charger TV TUNER (exchanges with floppy drive for full screen TV on LCD) built in video capture board excellent condition keyboard/HDD replaced by EZ SERVE 10/97 under warranty until at least 9/98 (e-mail for details) everything looks/works perfect! Located in NYC area - can ship COD in US reply via E-Mail or call me $1200.00 plus shipping (will discount $50.00 for local cash sale!) 516 285-9025 EASTERN TIME! -- Reply to scosgt@worldnet.att.net or trenchgun@aol.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 20:36:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA228937784; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:36:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10642; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:34:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10505; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10492; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:34:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from brucemar ([12.68.0.46]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA26793 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:34:22 +0000 Message-Id: <34AEE6F5.7C1D@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:33:41 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: FS: IBM TP 755CDV References: <34AEE385.7C21@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oh, forgot 40 MB RAM Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > Hello Group > I have for sale a TP 755CDV with the following: > Pentium 75 > 1.2 GB HDD > 1.44 floppy > 2X CD-ROM (can upgrade to 20X for $200 add'l) > 10.4" active screen > MWAVE sound/33.6 modem > NiMH battery (but can use Li-Ion battery made for 760 series) > charger > TV TUNER (exchanges with floppy drive for full screen TV on LCD) > built in video capture board > excellent condition > keyboard/HDD replaced by EZ SERVE 10/97 > under warranty until at least 9/98 (e-mail for details) > everything looks/works perfect! > Located in NYC area - can ship COD in US > reply via E-Mail > or call me > $1200.00 plus shipping (will discount $50.00 for local cash sale!) > 516 285-9025 EASTERN TIME! > -- > Reply to > > scosgt@worldnet.att.net > > or > > trenchgun@aol.com -- Reply to scosgt@worldnet.att.net or trenchgun@aol.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 20:39:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229957955; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:39:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11081; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:37:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10806; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10789; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts1p74.port.net (usrts1p74.port.net [207.237.104.74]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA21046; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:37:43 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Randal Whittle Cc: "Geovanny M. Ortiz" , "TP List" Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 20:37:45 -0500 Message-Id: <34bfe2e6.176800225@mail.interport.net> References: <3.0.32.19980103162533.00749a9c@rcf.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980103162533.00749a9c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 03 Jan 1998 16:29:12 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 06:49 PM 12/31/97 -0500, Geovanny M. Ortiz wrote: >>All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth >>the money for the upgrade? > > Well, this is difficult for me to answer. I had wanted to just let the >numbers speak for themselves and not render an opinion, but if forced, I'll >editorialize a bit. > > In a nutshell, I don't think so--at least for me. > > I had a 486-75 MHz, so this upgrade boosted it to something about the same >as a 486-100 MHz. Overall speed increase in typical applications...I'd say >about 20%. >For me, that's just not significant enough. For me, I require at *least* >a 75% speed increase--preferably a 100% increase (at or near doubling) >before I think its worth considering an upgrade. For me, in laptops I went When I think about upgrading my TP 560 (133mhz cpu, 1 gb drive, 40 mb ram, 12" screen), I think about getting a larger harddrive or more memory or a bigger or higher resolution screen. Or a faster means of connecting to the internet. Or longer battery life. The only time I really notice the speed of the machine is when I start an application or switch between applications (and hear the disk thrashing away). I assume that the speed of the disk subsystem or the amount of memory has *much* more of an effect on these operations than the processor speed. Which is a long way of saying I agree with you - I'd need a lot of processor speed improvement to be seriously interested in a cpu upgrade. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 21:08:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241909729; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:08:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12070; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:07:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11956; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.istar.ca (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11944; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts13-16.tor.istar.ca (pent300) [204.191.151.47] by mail.istar.ca with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0xofUw-0003mL-00; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:09:07 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980104021341.00a3b3f0@inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:13:41 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, Jane Loyless From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To the list I would like to interject my good thoughts on PEP... I know Michael has been on this list numerous times but when it was time to demonstrate all the hype... he and PEP came though loud and clear. In the past couple of years I've bought several hard drives from PEP to upgrade client's various ThinkPad models. Last month one of my clients had a hard disk crash...my first in 6 years...an interesting experience...but I digress... I phoned Michael explaining my "challenge" and after saying they were not set up to "hot ship" a replacement drive to Canada, he, realizing that my VIP client was "dead in the water" agreed to "hot ship" a replacement drive that afternoon to arrive by 10 a.m. the next morning... True to his word, the hard drive arrived and my client was up an' runnin' that afternoon (the next day!!!) fully restored...ahhhhh...the benefits of current backups... My 2 cents from a satisfied customer of PEP.... Hugh At 08:09 PM 1/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:29 PM 1/3/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: > >>One final note: >> >> PEP appears to be a very different outfit than they were a year or two ago >>when they annoyed us all with their blatant advertising on the list. Their >>new salesman, Leonard, has been most helpful in allowing us to do this and >>upgrading my machine free of charge so I could do the benchmarks and report >>to the list about the results. >> >> And when this question about "OK, cut through the numbers crap--was the >>upgrade worth it?" was posed, my first reaction was, "Well, I don't want to >>bias the results with my opinion--just let the numbers speak for >>themselves." I wrote Leonard and told him what my truthful opinion >>was--which you see in my note above. I didn't want to convey that to the >>list because it seemed ungrateful to all they had given us to do this. >>Leonard's reaction? "Tell them the truth." >> >> Now if you ask me, that's integrity--because he knew the truth was less >>than flattering to their upgrade product. The previous sales guy who used >>to infect our TP list used to tout claims of "Pentium-level performance" >>(and we now know that claim is a pile of manure). >> >> If that integrity is any indication of how things have changed at PEP, I'd >>have to re-think my prior negative impression of them. No agenda--just >>honesty. I was surprised and relieved because I really felt a conflict in >>providing these results. I was determined to remain unbiased and >>honest--and I was. the numbers you see in the benchmarks are the >>gosh-awful truth and are not monkeyed with. >> \\\\!//// \\ _ _ // ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 E-mail valliant@micomtech.com http://www.mi-comtech.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 3 21:10:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242709844; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:10:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12268; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:09:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12167; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12154; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnote (slip129-37-216-25.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.216.25]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA35040; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 02:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <199801040209.CAA35040@out2.ibm.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "TP List" Cc: "tselling@ibm.net" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 19:13:26 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FS: Thinkpad 760 and 755 accessories Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM Select Dock I for 760 series. Requires SelectDock Base port replicator unit(not included). In case your not aware, the SelectDocks require and connect to the base units (that can serve as port replicators all by themselves). Ports: scsi2 and midi/joystick, audio The other standard ports: video, parallel, serial, keyboard, mouse port are provided by the SelectBase (required, not included). 1 shared ISA, PCI slot. 1 ultra bay (can take floppy, cdrom, zip drives for 760 ultrabay). Internal power supply. Includes manual and original box. $275 takes it. IBM Dock II for Thinkpad 750, 755 and 760 series. Has the following features: External ports: floppy, scsi2, video, audio, parallel, serial, keyboard, mouse. Stereo speakers. 2 ISA slots 1 half-height 5.25 drive bay. 1 1" 5.25 drive bay (IBM scsi cdrom included!) Internal connectors for IDE and SCSI. Internal power supply. Manual included. Also includes Monitor stand. In good working condition. $175 takes it. 760 hard disk drives: 12mm 1.4 gig in 760 case $150 12mm 2 gig in 760 case $200 These drives will fit in both thin and thick model 760s. 760 ultrabay adapter for 760 hard disk drives (allows you to put an extra hard disk into your thinkpad). $35 Travel Quick charger for 760 battery. Connects inline with your AC adapter to power Thinkpad and charge battery at same time. Charges one 760 battery. $65 760 Lithium Ion battery. $120 Viper 105 PCMCIA type3 Hard disk $70 WANTED: SCSI 5.25 3-4 bay tower. Can be used in trade. Everything is used, but in good working condition and guaranteed non-DOA. Shipping is included if you pre-pay. Or you pay COD shipping for UPS 3-day COD - cash/money-order. --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 01:06:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA043313968; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:06:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17685; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:05:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:04:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17551; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:04:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17539; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-19.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.149]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA58706 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:04:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980104010358.007bf660@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 01:03:58 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Performance specs for TP701 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The posting that came thru yesterday which reported Norton benchmarks for TP701s struck me as very strange. As I recall, the posting reported Norton SI ratings of 4.0 for a basic 701, and then 6.7 for a "Souped-Up' 701, one runnig with an AMD586 chip (I inadvertently zapped the posting....) The performance numbers posted prompted me to load Norton Utilities 3.0 on my trusty little 701 to see what my machine would do. My machine: 701 with 75mhz cpu, 24 megs of RAM, running on AC power, Win95, & the original 720-meg hard drive. My Norton rating: 6.8. The base is a 386sx, which rates a 1.0. I don't understand the numbers the gentleman posted yesterday. Was he running off battery power? Did I miss something? Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 01:16:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049074589; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:16:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18197; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:15:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18105; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18092; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-h-65.usc.edu [128.125.224.65]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA28523; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:15:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980103220019.011f50a0@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:00:25 -0800 To: Robert Munzenrider From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:03 AM 1/4/98 -0500, Robert Munzenrider wrote: >The posting that came thru yesterday which reported Norton benchmarks for >TP701s struck me as very strange. As I recall, the posting reported >Norton SI ratings of 4.0 for a basic 701, and then 6.7 for a "Souped-Up' >701, one runnig with an AMD586 chip (I inadvertently zapped the posting....) >The performance numbers posted prompted me to load Norton Utilities 3.0 on >my trusty little 701 to see what my machine would do. > >My machine: 701 with 75mhz cpu, 24 megs of RAM, running on AC power, >Win95, & the original 720-meg hard drive. > >My Norton rating: 6.8. The base is a 386sx, which rates a 1.0. > >I don't understand the numbers the gentleman posted yesterday. Was he >running off battery power? Nope. AC. And yes, you did get correctly the numbers I reported. The Norton SI rating I reported was from the Norton Utils for Windows 95, version 2.0. Yours sounds either like the newest version of Norton Utils that just came out (which I have not yet upgraded to) or a previous DOS version of Norton Utils. I don't imagine any other version of Norton Utils can be compared to another--you'd have to do one from the same version, etc. The Winstone scores are the same thing--you can't compare Winstone 97 scores with Winstone 95 scores--its an apples & oranges comparison. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 02:00:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067807212; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 02:00:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19253; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:59:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19178; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19155; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts11.loop.net (p27.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.132]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA19733; Sat, 3 Jan 1998 22:56:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801040656.WAA19733@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 22:56:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Upgraded 701C Benchmark Results Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>All these numbers are too technical for me. My question is: Is it worth >>the money for the upgrade? > > Well, this is difficult for me to answer. I had wanted to just let the >numbers speak for themselves and not render an opinion, but if forced, I'll >editorialize a bit. > > In a nutshell, I don't think so--at least for me. > > I had a 486-75 MHz, so this upgrade boosted it to something about the same >as a 486-100 MHz. Overall speed increase in typical applications...I'd say >about 20%. > > For me, that's just not significant enough. For me, I require at *least* >a 75% speed increase--preferably a 100% increase (at or near doubling) >before I think its worth considering an upgrade. For me, in laptops I went >from a Sharp 386SX-20, to a ThinkPad 750 (486SL-33), to a TP 701 >(486-75--but I have to say that the smaller form factor of the 701 made the >less-than-stellar performance increase less of an important factor), to >finally a TP 560 (Pentium 120). In every case, that was a speed increase >of about 2x or better (a little less in the case of the 701 acquisition >over the 750). That's just something I require before I spend money on a >new machine. > Wouldn't the operating system also make a marginal difference? > Now an upgrade may be something different for you than it is for me. I >always very much liked the 701--so much so that I rather missed it when I >moved to a 560 (I gave the 701 to my wife, so it was still around), but I >got over it without too much pain. For you, your 701 may be so near and >dear to you that you can't imagine leaving it for another computer. ;-) I'd trade mine in for a 755 or 760 ANY DAY! (I hate the hinge cracking from the Trackwrite keyboard, or just the keboard, period!). > > PEP appears to be a very different outfit than they were a year or two ago >when they annoyed us all with their blatant advertising on the list. Their >new salesman, Leonard, has been most helpful in allowing us to do this and >upgrading my machine free of charge so I could do the benchmarks and report >to the list about the results. > > And when this question about "OK, cut through the numbers crap--was the >upgrade worth it?" was posed, my first reaction was, "Well, I don't want to >bias the results with my opinion--just let the numbers speak for >themselves." I wrote Leonard and told him what my truthful opinion >was--which you see in my note above. I didn't want to convey that to the >list because it seemed ungrateful to all they had given us to do this. >Leonard's reaction? "Tell them the truth." > Well, that's also good, because integrity and honesty are some important factors in getting business, anyways. Now I have a better opinion about Pep sales, rather than when whatever his name was would say a lot of crap that wasn't true. > Now if you ask me, that's integrity--because he knew the truth was less >than flattering to their upgrade product. The previous sales guy who used >to infect our TP list used to tout claims of "Pentium-level performance" >(and we now know that claim is a pile of manure). > Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 8h 30m 27s 343ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 06:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184744444; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:47:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29955; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:42:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29815; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA29802; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:42:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16589; Sun, 4 Jan 98 06:42:02 EST Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 06:42:02 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801041142.AA16589@nile.gnat.com> To: rfm@psu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> The Norton SI benchnmark is a notorious piece of junk. It relies heavily on the timing for integer multiply and divide, which are not at all indicative of general performance. It was written way back when Peter really did not know much about architecture. It served to measure relative rates for the same chip, but across chips it is seriously misleading. There were also alignment problems in at least one version of SI (Peter did not understand that alignment of code is critical in benchnmarks), but I think that has been corrected. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 07:22:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197476523; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:22:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00874; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:17:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00760; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:17:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00748; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pool-207-205-223-188.pitb.grid.net (Pool-207-205-223-188.pitb.grid.net [207.205.223.188]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23948 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by Pool-207-205-223-188.pitb.grid.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD18E0.ACC9F720@Pool-207-205-223-188.pitb.grid.net>; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:16:28 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD18E0.ACC9F720@Pool-207-205-223-188.pitb.grid.net> From: Erik Schwer To: "Thinkpad List (E-mail)" Subject: HEY!!! Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 07:16:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does this list still exist? I haven't gotten any correspondence from "Thinkpad" for several weeks now. If it still does, would someone please put me back on the subscriber list. Thanks! Cheers, Erik Schwer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 08:50:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232061820; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:50:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02721; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:49:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02610; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.170]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02598; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: TeresaJ53 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 08:48:09 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T & Windows Help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Help, Still working on setting up windows 3.1 on 730T. Computer now boots to windows, and screen sezs windows for pen computing. The pen when tapping on the screen in windows and dos applications, the screen keyboard works in dos, the pen works in windows PAINT....BUT Microsoft PEN TOOLs ( screen keyboard in windows applications) does not work. When I tap with pen to start penpal or screen keyboard, I get the error "Need windows for pen to run this application" What needs fixin' to let the program know win for pen is there? If anyone has Win 3.1 with the screen keyboard working, please send me a text copy of your autoexec., config.sys, windows system.ini, and win.ini ...and maybe a text copy of the windows files ..maybe it will give me a clue. Or if you know the answer just tell me. Thanks Teresa From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 15:00:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088224053; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:00:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08974; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:58:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08888; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08872; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from p10.hwts03.loop.net (p10.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.115]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA25676; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:57:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801041957.LAA25676@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert Dewar" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 11:57:06 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >The Norton SI benchnmark is a notorious piece of junk. It relies heavily >on the timing for integer multiply and divide, which are not at all >indicative of general performance. It was written way back when Peter >really did not know much about architecture. It served to measure >relative rates for the same chip, but across chips it is seriously >misleading. > >There were also alignment problems in at least one version of SI (Peter >did not understand that alignment of code is critical in benchnmarks), >but I think that has been corrected. > I would rather rely on Drystones and Whetstones, since they do more of what I'm looking for. The SI benchmark seems akward, and more of something a WinDO$ fanatic would use. Just my 2 cents. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 94 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 21h 46m 6s 0ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 16:54:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136470881; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:54:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11278; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:54:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:53:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11189; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11177; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:53:27 -0500 (EST) From: TeresaJ53 Message-Id: <531b2b87.34b00263@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 16:42:57 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T Batteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where can I buy replacement batteries for a 730T? IBM Part #66G9550 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 20:29:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226923769; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:29:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15982; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:26:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15796; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15783; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:26:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16629; Sun, 4 Jan 98 20:26:26 EST Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 20:26:26 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801050126.AA16629@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Drystone is known to be a completely broken benchmark, and no one should rely on it for anything (broken means that a compiler can easily subvert the test, and many compilers do). Whetstone is a little more reliable if you are measuring floating-point performance, but gives a completely inadequate reflection of cacehe effects. The livermore loops are probably much more reliable, or the new Spec suite. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 21:21:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248776863; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:21:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17412; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:20:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:20:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17316; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17304; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb156.capecod.net [205.230.12.156]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18107 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:19:56 -0500 Message-Id: <34B042EF.62EE253B@capecod.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:18:23 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: 760xd speaker volume Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The speaker volume on my 760xd appears quite low and difficult to hear even though the Win95 volume control is at maximum. No problem when using docking station, only when undocked. Is there anything I can do to raise the volume. The slide switch on the keyboard is also at maximum. Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 21:29:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252187375; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:29:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17982; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:28:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17824; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17812; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb156.capecod.net [205.230.12.156]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA19232 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:28:23 -0500 Message-Id: <34B044EA.2B89CA45@capecod.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:26:50 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Warp 4, Fixpack 5, Mwave Modem and answering machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP760XD running both Win95 and Warp 4 with Fixpack 5. I also have Faxworks Pro for OS2 Ver 3.0 Faxworks makes a lot of noise about its voice functions not being compatible with the IBM MWave Modem and the OS-2 driver support provided by IBM for the MWave. I'd like to have the same voice processing capability with OS2 as that provided by Call Center(Bundled with the machine) running under Win95. Does anyone know of an OS-2 software package that works as reliab;y as Call Center does under Win95? Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 22:51:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA287202311; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:51:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20290; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:50:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20163; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20135; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:49:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA20936; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:41:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801050341.TAA20936@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 19:48:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ><do more of what I'm looking for. The SI benchmark seems akward, and >more of something a WinDO$ fanatic would use. >>> > >Drystone is known to be a completely broken benchmark, and no one should >rely on it for anything (broken means that a compiler can easily subvert >the test, and many compilers do). > >Whetstone is a little more reliable if you are measuring floating-point >performance, but gives a completely inadequate reflection of cacehe >effects. The livermore loops are probably much more reliable, or >the new Spec suite. > But what if you run something like Linux or OS/2? Not everyone uses Micro$ofts' bloatware, so we need different benchmarks. Just my 2 cents. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 5h 26m 10s 257ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 23:19:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001493996; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:19:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21209; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:19:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:19:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21109; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21097; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18645; Sun, 4 Jan 98 23:18:57 EST Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 23:18:57 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801050418.AA18645@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> YOU can perfectly well run the Spec suite under Linux or Os/2, but it is probably not worth while to do so, since the results are unlikely to be particularly operating system dependent. If you wnat to measure the effect of architecture changes on OS performance specifically, then of course you will need specialized benchmarks, but I doubt there is very much variation between OS's in this respect. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 23:26:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004174405; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:26:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21881; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:24:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21574; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:24:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21556; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA11129; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:23:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801050423.UAA11129@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert Dewar" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 20:21:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 4 Jan 98 23:18:57 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><Micro$ofts' bloatware, so we need different benchmarks. > >Just my 2 cents. >>> > >YOU can perfectly well run the Spec suite under Linux or Os/2, but it is >probably not worth while to do so, since the results are unlikely to be >particularly operating system dependent. > >If you wnat to measure the effect of architecture changes on OS performance >specifically, then of course you will need specialized benchmarks, but I >doubt there is very much variation between OS's in this respect. > Personally, I find that running Checkit in DOS on all different machines, including through a DOS boot disk are suitable for me. That way, I know what each system rates as, and can compare others to it. Paul The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 5h 26m 10s 257ms. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 5h 26m 10s 257ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 4 23:57:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020246228; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:57:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23369; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:56:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:55:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23262; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23246; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19128; Sun, 4 Jan 98 23:55:44 EST Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 23:55:44 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801050455.AA19128@nile.gnat.com> To: rwhittle@usa.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu << I'm sure that most flaws from his earlier work have been dealt with and the above criticism is worthy only as a historical note. >> I disagree. The whole idea of a "system index" that is one single number that reports the performance of a PC is badly flawed. It is the original conception here that is wrong. No one knows how to write a single useful benchmark of this kind, and in fact I am pretty sure, from watching it run, and doing a little bit of careful looking that the latest version (at least that I have) is still very simplistic. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 00:06:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA024716797; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:06:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24224; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:05:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24137; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24124; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-j-25.usc.edu [128.125.224.169]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA29212 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:05:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980104205006.00cb8b5c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:50:16 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:55 PM 1/4/98 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><< I'm sure that most flaws from his earlier work have been dealt with and >the above criticism is worthy only as a historical note. >>> > >I disagree. The whole idea of a "system index" that is one single number >that reports the performance of a PC is badly flawed. It is the original >conception here that is wrong. No one knows how to write a single useful >benchmark of this kind, and in fact I am pretty sure, from watching it >run, and doing a little bit of careful looking that the latest >version (at least that I have) is still very simplistic. It is meant to be. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 00:25:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA032547932; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:25:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25618; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:25:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:24:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25468; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:24:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25456; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19536; Mon, 5 Jan 98 00:24:28 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 00:24:28 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801050524.AA19536@nile.gnat.com> To: rwhittle@usa.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> By this I understand you to mean "it is meant to be [a simplistic benmchmark]" But that's the point, any decision of any kind based on a simplistic benchmark is a simplistic decision, one that is not likely to be better than proceeding on the basis of uninformed guesswork. What I dislike is that people who don't understand this will look at the SI index and think it actually means something useful, and form groundless conclusions from these values. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 02:04:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075273885; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:04:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27917; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:02:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27640; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27627; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:01:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA28194; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:59:52 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07668; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:03:27 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801050703.VAA07668@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? To: epbrown@enteract.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 98 21:03:27 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34ae1f93.2567047@mail.enteract.com>; from "epbrown" at Jan 2, 98 11:17 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Also, in other news, I'm planning to install Windows 3.11 on this > puppy, so any suggestions would be welcome. And I think Dave Ross said > the Thinkpad Features program is 16-bit, am I remembering correctly? > It'll work under 3.11? Geesh - offline for just 2 days, and my mbox has 200 messages, many of interest to me, some even with my name mentioned! The 'features' program that comes preinstalled on the 560 is 16 bit, and *should* work in 3.1, though I wouldn't swear to it. I do know that the IBM website *does* have a W3.1-compatible features program. For that matter, there's almost nothing you can do with features that you can't do with the DOS PS/2 program (also preinstalled on the machine). Now, a question: are you hoping to keep W95 and dual-boot with W3.11? This could be a problem - W95 OSR2 is known-troublesome with dual booting. I think this is discussed extensively on either the W95 FAQ or the 'windows 95 annoyances' website, I can't recall which. Incidentally, for those who missed an older post of mine, the newest version of features for W95 on the IBM site is apparently pure 32 bit. I haven't installed it yet. (This is for several thoinkpads, not just the 560.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 03:11:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102877912; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:11:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00336; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:08:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29988; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29976; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.131.146]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA23117 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:08:15 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Battery for 730T Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 02:11:49 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980105080814.AAA23117@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Teresa, I'm not absolutely sure, but you might try Access Micro at www.accessmicro.com. They seem to have a lot of stuff for IBM laptops. Otherwise, you could do a search on cnet. I've gotten a lot of stuff back >from that particular search engine, except that you really have to sort through a lot of junk. I came across a ton of information on companies selling batteries for IBM laptops by putting in "IBM Thinkpad 500" and having in search. Hope this helps. I know how frutrating it can be to be looking for a part in particular. Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 07:46:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213874406; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:46:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11750; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11605; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11593; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:42:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27968; Mon, 5 Jan 98 07:42:17 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 07:42:17 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801051242.AA27968@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> I don't understand the focus on 16 vs 32 bit here. THe issue is whether the program is 3.1 compatible or not. There are 16 bit programs that work on Win95 and do not work on 3.1, and 32 bit programs that work on Win 3.1 and not on Win95. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 11:44:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA011998686; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:44:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21872; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:39:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21360; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from panix3.panix.com (panix3.panix.com [198.7.0.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21347; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (from etk@localhost) by panix3.panix.com (8.8.5/8.7/PanixU1.3) id LAA24071 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ellen Kessler Message-Id: <199801051639.LAA24071@panix3.panix.com> Subject: OSR 2 - Win95 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:39:07 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu : : David Ross wrote: : : : : Now, a question: are you hoping to keep W95 and dual-boot with W3.11? : : This could be a problem - W95 OSR2 is known-troublesome with dual : : booting. I think this is discussed extensively on either the W95 FAQ or : : the 'windows 95 annoyances' website, I can't recall which. : : : I've got a dual boot system with W95 OSR2/Win 3.1 (WFWG in fact) on my desktop pentium pro 200, with no problems whatsoever. I've partitioned my 4gig hard drive with partition magic and use system commander to switch between the o/s's. I had the system set up this way and it's very reliable. Never had a crash or a program that won't run. Ellen (who is reading this list because I'm planning to buy a 560X) -- etk@panix.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 12:04:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021569892; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:04:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23027; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:03:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22908; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.xlink.net (relay.xlink.net [193.141.40.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22888; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sparc01.llt.de ([192.129.53.1] (may be forged)) by relay.xlink.net (8.8.6/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA19636 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:03:25 +0100 Received: from YORICK.llt.de ([192.129.53.79]) by sparc01.llt.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14269; Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:08:51 +0100 Received: by YORICK.llt.de with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1A04.275F72C0@YORICK.llt.de>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:02:57 +-100 Message-Id: <01BD1A04.275F72C0@YORICK.llt.de> From: "William C. Hay" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 701c modem and battery Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:02:55 +-100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just recently found this list although I've had my 701c for 2 years = now. Hope maybe someone can help me. Battery: The battery lasts 1.5 to 2 hours, which is standard as far as I = know, but the displayed remaining battery time does not jibe with = reality. As soon as the battery reaches the red level (30%), it's time = to switch to AC power or the system shuts down quickly. This happened = under both Win 3.1 and Win95. I'm not sure about the OS/2 performance = as I had no applications for it and have removed it. After switching to = AC, the battery charge indicated is correct (0%). The battery was = replaced during service once and this changed nothing. Any ideas? Built-in modem: Dialing in under Win95 to our NT4.0 RAS, I get = disconnected every 4-5 minutes with a host hang-up. This doesn't happen = to others who dial in with other equipment. Once, just once, I stayed = connected for 20 minutes before being cut off. I suspect the modem, = maybe some sort of power save or something is cutting in. It seems too = regular to be line noise or similar. This happens with both battery and = AC power. Otherwise, the 701 is great for my purposes (except the battery life!) Bill Hay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 12:19:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028300757; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:19:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24485; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:18:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24399; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tpa-exchange.healthplan.com ([159.113.2.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24376; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by tpa-exchange.healthplan.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD19D3.F99A1320@tpa-exchange.healthplan.com>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:18:05 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Garrison, Galen" To: "'William C. Hay'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 701c modem and battery Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 12:18:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have identical problems. I had the battery replaced by EasyServ a while ago but to no avail. It's demonstrating the same symptoms. I recently upgraded to Win95B but no change. The battery life indicator on the taskbar has the same problems as the Fn key. EasyServ believed the circuitry to be bad in the ThinkPad versus a bad battery. I only get about an hour maximum out of the battery (NiMH), and it is less than a year old. I'm not a power-user, so the battery shouldn't be worn out. I just use it when my wife wants the desktop (since alleviated with the acquisition of a second desktop). My 701cs goes back to IBM this week. Galen Garrison TP701cs/75Mhz/16MB/720HDD >---------- >From: William C. Hay[SMTP:bhay@llt.de] >Sent: Monday, January 05, 1998 1:02 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: 701c modem and battery > >I just recently found this list although I've had my 701c for 2 years now. >Hope maybe someone can help me. > >Battery: The battery lasts 1.5 to 2 hours, which is standard as far as I >know, but the displayed remaining battery time does not jibe with reality. As >soon as the battery reaches the red level (30%), it's time to switch to AC >power or the system shuts down quickly. This happened under both Win 3.1 and >Win95. I'm not sure about the OS/2 performance as I had no applications for >it and have removed it. After switching to AC, the battery charge indicated >is correct (0%). The battery was replaced during service once and this >changed nothing. Any ideas? > >Built-in modem: Dialing in under Win95 to our NT4.0 RAS, I get disconnected >every 4-5 minutes with a host hang-up. This doesn't happen to others who dial >in with other equipment. Once, just once, I stayed connected for 20 minutes >before being cut off. I suspect the modem, maybe some sort of power save or >something is cutting in. It seems too regular to be line noise or similar. >This happens with both battery and AC power. > >Otherwise, the 701 is great for my purposes (except the battery life!) > >Bill Hay > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 16:03:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124794221; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:03:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07564; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:53:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07172; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07063; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-146-101.az.us.ibm.net [32.100.146.101]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA67816; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:50:33 GMT Message-Id: <34B1479A.1B47E56D@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 13:50:36 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bhay@llt.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c modem and battery References: <01BD1A04.275F72C0@YORICK.llt.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The battery was replaced during service once and this changed nothing. Any ideas? > Yes -- accept that that's the way it it's going to be. That's what I did after Easy Serv sent the third battery within the first few months of owning my 701. Even worse is the fact that when using a PC card modem the battery lasts about 30 minutes. It's just a limitation I've learned to live with, because otherwise I'm very satisfied with the 701, the 3-year warranty, and IBM support. The 701 is a very unique machine! (All the more so because they don't make them anymore.) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 16:28:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138575711; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:28:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09002; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08552; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dtm.ciw.edu (clrs1.ciw.edu [192.70.249.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08539; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from dustbuster.ciw.edu by dtm.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA21028; Mon, 5 Jan 98 16:16:27 EST Received: from localhost by dustbuster.ciw.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00845; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:11:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:11:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Larry R. Nittler" X-Sender: lrn@dustbuster To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: external keyboard (TP365CSD) In-Reply-To: <34B1479A.1B47E56D@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello thinkpad list, I just subscribed to this list so please forgive me if this has been covered before. I have had a Thinkpad 365CSD for about two years and finally decided I was sick of the tiny keyboard and eraser pointer thingy when I was just using the thing at home. I got a mouse, PS/2 keyboard and thinkpad mouse/keyboard adapter (some generic brand). When I hooked it up, the mouse works fine, but the computer doesn't seem to recognize the keyboard. Should it just work transparently, or do I need to install some driver or something? I am running Windows 95. There is one sentence in the owner's manual stating that a PS-2 keyboard can be used with the adapter, but there is no more information. Thanks for any help, Larry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Larry R. Nittler Carnegie Institution of Washington Department of Terrestrial Magnetism Interstellar Dust Buster 5241 Broad Branch Road NW and Mushroom Chief Washington DC 20015 phone: 202-686-4370 (x4421) lrn@dtm.ciw.edu http://www.ciw.edu/lrn/ fax: 202-364-8726 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 16:42:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144886536; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:42:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10145; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:30:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09415; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:30:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09386; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02920; Mon, 5 Jan 98 16:30:46 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 16:30:46 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801052130.AA02920@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: query about win95 ethernet card drivers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where can I obtain the win95 drivers for the IBM Credit Card Ethernet II PC Card ? I have checked the IBM site and only find dos and windows 3.1 drivers. We are trying to install on a TP 760 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 16:44:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147946652; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:44:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10328; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:32:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09543; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09531; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03842; Mon, 5 Jan 98 16:32:14 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 16:32:14 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801052132.AA03842@nile.gnat.com> To: lrn@clrs1.ciw.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: external keyboard (TP365CSD) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This should work transparently, perhaps the trouble is your "thinkpad mouse/keyboard adapter (some generic brand)" Any old cable will not work here, perhaps you should spring for the genuine IBM article, worked fine for me on a TP700 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 16:51:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150837084; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:51:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11263; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:47:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:39:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10359; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.mailsrvcs.net ([207.115.153.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10314; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from gte.net (1Cust187.tnt17.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.49.187]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with ESMTP id PAA23554; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:38:54 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B1503F.20B2C13F@gte.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 14:27:27 -0700 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aims@gte.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Thinkpad 755 & Xfree386 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have been trying for the last several hours to get the right settings to work for a Thinkpad 755CE and Xfree386. Has anyone got this working and would be willing to send me their config file for this? (or just basically tell me what I might be doing wrong - as I have got this working on other systems ...). HW specs are as follows: Thinkpad 755CE (486/DX4/100 w/40MB RAM) Video WD90c24 with 1MG of video ram. Under OS/2, Windows, etc. this box can only do 640x480x65M colors .... Currently I have selected the SVGA server, WD90c24 chipset, RAMDAC-Normal, and have let it probe the clock settings. I have also just selected the VGA monitor at 31Hz. Any/all help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 17:02:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155957731; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:02:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12151; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:57:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11822; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.istar.ca (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11794; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts17-15.tor.istar.ca (hugh) [204.191.150.206] by mail.istar.ca with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0xpKXJ-0007Bp-00; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:58:18 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980105215504.015c0d20@inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:55:04 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: query about win95 ethernet card drivers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Didn't the install disk come with the PCMCIA card??? The other alternative...call IBM support and they'll give you the URL... Hugh At 04:30 PM 1/5/98 EST, you wrote: > >Where can I obtain the win95 drivers for the IBM Credit Card >Ethernet II PC Card ? I have checked the IBM site and only find >dos and windows 3.1 drivers. > >We are trying to install on a TP 760 > > > > \\\\!//// \\ _ _ // ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 E-mail valliant@micomtech.com http://www.mi-comtech.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 17:34:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169749681; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:34:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14520; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:34:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:33:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14364; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14350; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA24086; Mon, 5 Jan 98 17:33:31 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 17:33:31 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801052233.AA24086@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> QUite confusing though, a lot of the code for Win95 is 16 bit stuff, including quite a bit of the operating system itself. On the other hand, there are lots of 32 bit applications for Win3.1 these days. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 17:50:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176370620; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:50:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15498; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:49:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15414; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15402; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from MYHOSTNAME (slip129-37-196-85.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.85]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA19798 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:49:09 GMT Message-Id: <34B16336.21CF@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 16:48:22 -0600 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net Organization: Illinois & Midland Railroad X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP365 & Ethernet/Modem PC Card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an IBM TP365XD with 24M RAM with a dual boot WIN95/OS2 Warp installation. I need to have both modem and network access so I purchased a MegaHertz XJEM3288 Ethernet/28.8 Modem PCMCIA card. This works just fine under WIN95 with both LAN and modem access functioning simultaneously. However I tend to prefer to work in OS/2. This card will not work in both modes simultaneously. The documentation says "because of a bug". Is there any help for this? If not can anyone recommend an Ethernet/Modem PC Card that will work? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 18:09:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184651750; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:09:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16803; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:07:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16611; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildeliver0.tiac.net (maildeliver0.tiac.net [199.0.65.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16588; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by maildeliver0.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8) with SMTP id SAA04489 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <01BD1A05.0184C900@ntmail.tiac.net>; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:09:03 -0500 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'ross@math.hawaii.edu'" , "'dewar@gnat.com'" Cc: "'epbrown@enteract.com'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:09:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>QUite confusing though, a lot of the code for Win95 is 16 bit stuff, >>including >>quite a bit of the operating system itself. > >>On the other hand, there are lots of 32 bit applications for Win3.1 these >>days. I do not know if the situation has shifted but it seemed most of the non-MS stuff used Win32s so software could run on both 3.1 and 95. It seems like Microsoft is the only software vendor to cut all ties with Windows 3.1. All the new versions of software from VC++ Compilers to Office are for Win95/NT only. Microsoft does not even support Win32s anymore. One way to make 32-bit applications not run under Win95 (other than compiling them for OS/2 or Linux 8->) is to use the security or other API that is only present in NT. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 18:32:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196283176; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:32:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18269; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:32:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:31:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18134; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18119; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:31:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA12850; Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:31:40 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:31:40 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801052331.AA12850@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ecottrell@doble.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: RE: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <) is to use the security or other API that is only present in NT. >> *lots* of applications, including most games, run only on Win95 these days. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 18:44:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201363858; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:44:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18938; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:43:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18862; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18848; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts00.loop.net (p00.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.15]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA22187; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:35:10 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801052335.PAA22187@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 15:42:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:09:02 -0500, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >>>QUite confusing though, a lot of the code for Win95 is 16 bit stuff, >>>including >>>quite a bit of the operating system itself. >> >>>On the other hand, there are lots of 32 bit applications for Win3.1 these >>>days. > >I do not know if the situation has shifted but it seemed most of the >non-MS >stuff used Win32s so software could run on both 3.1 and 95. It seems >like Microsoft is the only software vendor to cut all ties with Windows >3.1. >All the new versions of software from VC++ Compilers to Office are for >Win95/NT only. Microsoft does not even support Win32s anymore. > >One way to make 32-bit applications not run under Win95 (other than >compiling them for OS/2 or Linux 8->) is to use the security or other >API >that is only present in NT. I think I like the idea of coding for Linux and OS/2 better, IMHO. Just my spare change. Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 81 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 30m 24s 523ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 18:50:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203824245; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:50:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19561; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:49:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19425; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19413; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA13179; Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:49:49 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:49:49 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801052349.AA13179@nile.gnat.com> To: ecottrell@doble.com, pkhoury@loop.com Subject: RE: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> How about avoiding operating systems flame wars on this list, I do't don't see any relevance to the TP here, since of course all four operating systems run fine on a TP. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 18:52:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204364322; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:52:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19765; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:51:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19612; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19596; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-55.d.enteract.com (x2-55.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.199]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id RAA11073 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:50:52 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:50:41 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34b627cb.3260594@mail.enteract.com> References: <199801050703.VAA07668@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <199801050703.VAA07668@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 4 Jan 98 21:03:27 HST, you wrote: >Now, a question: are you hoping to keep W95 and dual-boot with W3.11? >This could be a problem - W95 OSR2 is known-troublesome with dual >booting. I think this is discussed extensively on either the W95 FAQ or >the 'windows 95 annoyances' website, I can't recall which. Nope, I'm going completely back to WFW 3.11, same set-up as on my 510. Sort of a retro-techno thing I want to try this year, and see how it works. If I can't take it when the new year rolls around, I'll go ahead an upgrade to a 560X with Windows 98 and do a happy dance. Hopefully, things will work out. Note: Careful when formatting your disk on the 560. I found that, without the Thinkpad Features program installed, I was locked into the APM and other settings I'd made before removing the OS. Sucked big time until I got 95 back on. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 18:57:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207194677; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:57:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20593; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:57:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:57:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20494; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20480; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p18.hwts08.loop.net (p18.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.33]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA22726; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:47:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801052347.PAA22726@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "ecottrell@doble.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "epbrown@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 15:55:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 5 Jan 98 18:31:40 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><non-MS >stuff used Win32s so software could run on both 3.1 and 95. It seems >like Microsoft is the only software vendor to cut all ties with Windows >3.1. >All the new versions of software from VC++ Compilers to Office are for >Win95/NT only. Microsoft does not even support Win32s anymore. > >One way to make 32-bit applications not run under Win95 (other than >compiling them for OS/2 or Linux 8->) is to use the security or other >API >that is only present in NT. >>> > >*lots* of applications, including most games, run only on Win95 these days. > Lots, but not all. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 and 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 42m 52s 671ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 19:18:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215865926; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:18:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21966; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:18:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:17:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21862; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (root@starbase.neosoft.com [206.109.7.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21849; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:17:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ed (digital-00-45.hou.neoworld.net [206.109.29.45]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id SAA05157 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:17:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Dan Mailman" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 760ed Windows NT 4.0 mwave fax & telephone applications Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 18:15:42 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd1a38$39e60ab0$2b0aa8c0@ed.AccessWare.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody been able to use the mwave modem to fax directly from windows NT 4.0 applications? what applications did you use? Ditto the ability to use the ThinkPad as a telephone, ala FocalPoint with Win95? Failing that, is there a PCMCIA card that can be used to provide these functionalities?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 19:34:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223326873; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:34:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22772; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:33:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22642; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:33:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs03.infoave.net (pacs03.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22628; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-122.r10.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IS12AD0GVY9G5GOG@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:32:49 EST Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:23:15 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Colors on a 750c To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34B17973.17E7@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings everyone.... I noticed he other day that my 750c is only using 16 colors. I tried changing the settings but I get an error message (docked or undocked) about something conflicting. Is there some driver I need to load? All help appreciated. Using win95 (osr2) Linn askipper@ftc-i.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 22:15:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA293156518; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:15:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27996; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:15:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:13:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27871; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27857; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:13:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <19980106031303.17510.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [156.153.255.218] by send1a; Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:13:03 PST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 19:13:03 -0800 (PST) From: Rudy Gireyev Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755 & Xfree386 To: aims@gte.net, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, Thinkpad Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bob the first thing I would recommend is to go with as plain vanilla setting as you can. Once you get it to work then you can try new stuff. Some suggestions: 1) Use VGA16 server (SVGA may imply resolutions above 640x480) 2) If it still doesn't work try 50Mhz setting for the monitor (Or whatever option 1 is on that list :-)). 3) If still doesn't work leave RAMDAC and clock setting unset and let XF86Config come up with the values. Rudy ---Bob Angell wrote: > > I have been trying for the last several hours to get the right > settings to work for a Thinkpad 755CE and Xfree386. Has anyone > got this working and would be willing to send me their config > file for this? (or just basically tell me what I might be doing > wrong - as I have got this working on other systems ...). HW > specs are as follows: > > Thinkpad 755CE (486/DX4/100 w/40MB RAM) > Video WD90c24 with 1MG of video ram. > Under OS/2, Windows, etc. this box can > only do 640x480x65M colors .... > > Currently I have selected the SVGA server, > WD90c24 chipset, RAMDAC-Normal, and have > let it probe the clock settings. I have > also just selected the VGA monitor at 31Hz. > > Any/all help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > -Bob- > -- > Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant > Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 > v801-583-8544 mailto:aimsllc@ibm.net mailto:aims@gte.net > -------------------------------------------------------- > http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm > -------------------------------------------------------- > "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- > wich, they would both be with us today!" > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 22:24:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298817058; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:24:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28463; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:23:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28382; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:23:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from VM.SC.EDU (vm.sc.edu [129.252.41.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28370; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from student.law.sc.edu by VM.SC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 05 Jan 98 22:22:14 EST Received: from LAW_STUDENT/SpoolDir by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 5 Jan 98 22:23:35 EST5EDT Received: from SpoolDir by LAW_STUDENT (Mercury 1.30); 5 Jan 98 22:23:27 EST5EDT Received: from vfolk.vmedia.com by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 5 Jan 98 22:23:22 EST5EDT Message-Id: <34B1A4B5.5222@bigfoot.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:27:49 -0500 From: "Michael J. Verne" Reply-To: uscmikey@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: port replicator wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i'm looking for a port replicator for my 755cd. it's an out-of-production item. it's the same replicator that's used on the entire 360 and 75X lines. will pay cod. thanks in advance. -- Michael J. Verne uscmikey@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 22:35:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004167745; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:35:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29274; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:34:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29168; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29145; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:34:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19180; Mon, 5 Jan 98 22:34:54 EST Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 22:34:54 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801060334.AA19180@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, uscmikey@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: port replicator wanted Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael asked <> Check out the ThinkPad Dock II available from www.onsale.com (go to computers / notebooks / accessories. Starting bid is $299, and so far, no bids on 5 units, so this might be a possibility for you. Bidding closes at 12:30 Pacific time tomorrow. I know you asked for a replicator, but a full Dock II at this price might be an attractive substitute. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 22:59:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015389196; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:59:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00746; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:58:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00621; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs03.infoave.net (pacs03.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00607; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-68.r10.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IS19G0MK9W9J1N2C@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:58:12 EST Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:48:32 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: DOcking Station To: uscmikey@bigfoot.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34B1A990.122@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mike, You also might want to look at http://www.2days.com/ibmpage.htm They have a docking station for $199.00. I bought a case from them, They shiped COD. Seemed to be pretty good people. Skipper From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 5 23:23:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026200582; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:23:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01902; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:22:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01793; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01775; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09262; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA17643; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:21:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:21:46 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: "Michael J. Verne" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: port replicator wanted In-Reply-To: <34B1A4B5.5222@bigfoot.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael, surplus Direct has some THINKPAD DOCK 1s on sale for $49.00 On the Web is a nice picture http://www.surplusdirect.com on the web it is item AC4235 in the catalog it is item NB4235 I have the Port replicator but I've been thinking of getting one because it has a drive bay and a single isa card slot. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Michael J. Verne wrote: > i'm looking for a port replicator for my 755cd. it's an > out-of-production item. it's the same replicator that's used on the > entire 360 and 75X lines. will pay cod. > > thanks in advance. > > -- > > Michael J. Verne > uscmikey@bigfoot.com > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 00:21:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA051184069; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:21:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04051; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:19:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03894; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03882; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 00:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.131.15]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA24093 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 05:18:58 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Port Replicator Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:22:29 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980106051856.AAA24093@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm not sure who was looking for a port replicator. I seem to remember that it was for a TP750 or 755. Anyway, I saw one model number 66G3520 listed for $75 at www.trading.com/wwndock.htm. They also had some replicators and docking equipment for I believe TP700/720. Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 02:06:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096750382; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:06:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07081; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:03:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06936; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06923; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter-lewis (sea-ts3-p28.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.210]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01514 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:03:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801060703.XAA01514@wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:03:06 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: 701c for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM ThinkPad 701c 486dx4/75mhz manufactured 1/96 24 megs ram 1 gig HD 10.5" active matrix color Xircom Performance II Series 10BT pcmcia port replicator and external floppy (w/cable) external Sony 4x CD (w/scsi card) USR x2 56k modem card (cable type so no tension w/expanding keyboard) Win95B (OSR2, fat 16) 701c/cs ThinkPad User's Guide Iomega zip drive diskette with more than 90 mbs worth of original stuff, including OS 2.v3, DOS 6.3, Win 3.11, faxworks, talkworks, etc. I am the second owner. If interested, make me an offer in the $1k range in a private email. This is the one and only for-sale notice I will post to this list re this machine (which I will not part out). Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 03:32:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133875529; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:32:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10188; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:31:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:30:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10100; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from huset.fm.unit.no (huset.math.ntnu.no [129.241.211.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10088; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 03:30:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27860 invoked by uid 30256); 6 Jan 1998 08:30:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:30:24 +0100 (MET) From: Lars Christian Evensen X-Sender: larsev@huset.math.ntnu.no To: Bob Angell Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755 & Xfree386 In-Reply-To: <34B1503F.20B2C13F@gte.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Bob Angell wrote: > I have been trying for the last several hours to get the right > settings to work for a Thinkpad 755CE and Xfree386. Has anyone > got this working and would be willing to send me their config > file for this? (or just basically tell me what I might be doing > wrong - as I have got this working on other systems ...). HW > specs are as follows: Take a look at http://www.wwsi.com/linux-tp.html. There is a person there who has gotten it to work on a TP755CE. He writes : "I installed the Slackware from CD through my docking station with an External CD-Rom. The main problem I had with X was the video configuration. The 3.3 Slackware comes with XF86Setup, which is an X based program for setting up the display. It worked fine, but the config files it made didn't. I through trial and error found refresh rates for the internal display, but to keep compatability with monitors, I just included them in a range. The ranges are: HorizSync 31.5-35.4 and VertRefresh 60-70. ..." Good luck CU -- LArs Evensen, stud. techn., Now running AIX 4.1.5 on RS/6000 E.B.Schieldrops Vei 11-16 E-mail : larsev@stud.math.ntnu.no 7033 Trondheim WWW : http://www.fm.unit.no/~larsev/ Norway Phone : + 47 - 73 88 89 01 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 10:22:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297470165; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:22:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12209; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:00:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11997; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11962; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01779; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:30:31 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA09849; Mon, 5 Jan 1998 11:34:05 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801052134.LAA09849@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP 560] How good is Suspend Mode? To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 98 11:34:05 HST Cc: epbrown@enteract.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9801051242.AA27968@nile.gnat.com>; from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 5, 98 7:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I don't understand the focus on 16 vs 32 bit here. THe issue is whether > the program is 3.1 compatible or not. There are 16 bit programs that work > on Win95 and do not work on 3.1, and 32 bit programs that work on Win 3.1 > and not on Win95. > Quite right, though using '16/32 bit' to refer to W3.x/W95 apps is a widespread linguistic convention. Sort of like referring to the language spoken in the US as English. What I *meant* was that there is a new, multi-threading, true 32bit/W95-only version of Features available for many Thinkpads, but that the one that came on EPB's machine *should* run find under W3.1. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 10:24:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298430287; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:24:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22378; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:25:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21672; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21617; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-j-25.usc.edu [128.125.224.169]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA26368; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:24:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980104200202.00c8a504@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:09:36 -0800 To: Robert Munzenrider From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Cc: TP List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:21 PM 1/4/98 -0500, Robert Munzenrider wrote: >Perhaps the variation is due to my using Norton version 3.0. One other >possibility comes to mind: do you have a 701/50mhz? No. Almost identical specs as you had--75 MHz, 24 MB RAM, etc. >Now that you mention it, I do dimly recall something in the Norton >documentation about how the benchmarks aren't comparable across Norton >version.???? Something such. Unfortunately, mine was a "Borrowed" version >of Norton and I don't have the docs..., but it is the 3.0 version... > >I'll be curious what kind of ratings you'll get with Norton 3.0 3.0 for Windows 95, or the DOS version? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 10:26:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA299660384; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:26:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22382; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:25:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21658; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:25:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21616; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:24:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-j-25.usc.edu [128.125.224.169]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA26371 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:24:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980104200723.00cba544@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:09:38 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Performance specs for TP701 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:42 AM 1/4/98 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >The Norton SI benchnmark is a notorious piece of junk. It relies heavily >on the timing for integer multiply and divide, which are not at all >indicative of general performance. It was written way back when Peter >really did not know much about architecture. It served to measure >relative rates for the same chip, but across chips it is seriously >misleading. > >There were also alignment problems in at least one version of SI (Peter >did not understand that alignment of code is critical in benchnmarks), >but I think that has been corrected. Without commenting on the quality of the Norton SI benchmark (I only included it because it was quick & simple, in addition to the much more involved and detailed benchmarks I ran), it should be noted that Peter Norton hasn't been involved in any of the Symantec products bearing his name for *many* years. I'm sure that most flaws from his earlier work have been dealt with and the above criticism is worthy only as a historical note. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 11:40:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA033714828; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:40:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02975; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:39:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:38:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02813; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.176]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02801; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:38:16 -0500 (EST) From: TeresaJ53 Message-Id: <18f5fc06.34b25d0b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:34:17 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T Battery(s)/Charger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I need a source for 730T batteries and the charger...any links for new or used ones for sale? Teresa From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 12:32:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057557923; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:32:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08775; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:29:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08563; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (phr@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08545; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA12680 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 09:29:12 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801061729.JAA12680@netcom18.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: external keyboard for 365 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just subscribed to this list so please forgive me if this has been covered before. I have had a Thinkpad 365CSD for about two years and finally decided I was sick of the tiny keyboard and eraser pointer thingy when I was just using the thing at home. I got a mouse, PS/2 keyboard and thinkpad mouse/keyboard adapter (some generic brand). When I hooked it up, the mouse works fine, but the computer doesn't seem to recognize the keyboard. Should it just work transparently, or do I need to install some driver or something? I am running Windows 95. There is one sentence in the owner's manual stating that a PS-2 keyboard can be used with the adapter, but there is no more information. You have to get a mouse/keyboard adapter made specifically for the Thinkpad. It looks like a simple Y cable, but I think it may have some electronics inside. It costs around $25 :-((((. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 12:53:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066189224; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:53:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10314; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:52:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:52:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10224; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (eastgate.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.1.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10160; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 12:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pc00001 (d120031.ppp120.cyberway.com.sg [203.116.120.31]) by eastgate.cyberway.com.sg (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA16561 for ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:51:29 +0800 (SST) Received: by pc00001 with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1B0F.02F1C3A0@pc00001>; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:53:12 +0800 Message-Id: <01BD1B0F.02F1C3A0@pc00001> From: Poh Kian Hock To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:53:00 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all who gave advice. Here's an update of a most trying experience: On Sunday, I went back to the shop to get the 560 exchanged. Sales = person tests out=20 the only other 2 sets of the same model. One of them has unacceptable = dead pixels. The other had the same flickering problem. Sales person orders more = stock from=20 warehouse. On Tuesday, I went to get it exchanged again. This time we discovered = that it works=20 fine with just the AC without the battery and it seems the problem is caused by the battery. We tried another battery which = also gave the same problem. I was finally given a new machine with another battery. Trying it out it worked fine.=20 Upon reaching home, I started to work with it but 2 hours later the = problem came back again. Removing the battery and running it just on AC got rid of the = flickering. Help! It can't be that all the batteries are faulty or all the 560 are = having problems right? Is this a known problem?=20 I just hate to think that I have to go back a fourth time! My dream of = owning a Thinkpad (my 1st Notebook) is turning into a bad dream ..... :-( My boss will laugh his head off now. He had told me to expect problems = with Thinkpads, to which I insisted that he was being bias. Now I'm not quite sure = ....... Anyone also thinking of getting this model should check very carefully. KianHock ---------- From: Poh Kian Hock Sent: 03 January 1998 09:11 To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Hi everyone, Happy New Year. I've subscribed to this group for a few months now even though I don't = own a Thinkpad or a notebook for that matter. Well, today I bought myself a Thinkpad 560, with the following = conifguration: P133 mhz ( yup, no L2 cache ) 40 mb RAM ( but this should make up for it!) 1.08 gb HDD 12.1" TFT screen=20 56K Xircom PC Card I got it at a decent price coz it's not the newest model. So far I'm = quite happy with it except for one thing: The screen would once in a while flicker faintly, no streaks or anything = like that, just a bit like when you adjust the brightness button and it = slightly flickers while changing brightness. It happens both on AC as = well as battery. So far have not noticed any particular sequence or = pattern that goes with it. Since I've never owned a notebook before, can anyone tell me whether = this is normal for a new machine? Does anyone have this same problem? I = just hope that in the worst case it's just a driver problem. Many thanks in advance. Proud Thinkpad owner, Kian Hock From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 15:12:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132217552; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:12:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18678; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:06:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18154; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18138; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/8.8.Anet-B1) with SMTP id OAA13114; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:02:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B28F3A.6564@anet-dfw.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:08:26 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Poh Kian Hock Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen References: <01BD1B0F.02F1C3A0@pc00001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could it have something to do with the power saving features? I'm starting to think that my 360PE is doing the same kind of thing, I've just never given it any thought. Poh Kian Hock wrote: > > Thanks to all who gave advice. > Here's an update of a most trying experience: > > On Sunday, I went back to the shop to get the 560 exchanged. Sales person tests out > the only other 2 sets of the same model. One of them has unacceptable dead pixels. > The other had the same flickering problem. Sales person orders more stock from > warehouse. > > On Tuesday, I went to get it exchanged again. This time we discovered that it works > fine with just the AC without the battery and it seems > the problem is caused by the battery. We tried another battery which also gave the same > problem. I was finally given a new machine with another battery. > Trying it out it worked fine. > > Upon reaching home, I started to work with it but 2 hours later the problem came back > again. Removing the battery and running it just on AC got rid of the flickering. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 15:30:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139898603; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:30:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19510; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:24:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:24:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19431; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:24:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19416; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA16801 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:24:36 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:32:01 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F01017708A@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: port replicator wanted Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 14:21:50 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, If you want a Dock II, they can be had for a lot less than $299 (plus Onsale's outrageous shipping charges). I've seen them listed for $125 at various vendors and by individuals posting to news groups. I've also seen them sell at other online auctions for under $100. Of course, htese prices are for used units, and Onsale has new ones, but still.... Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Robert Dewar [SMTP:dewar@gnat.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 12:41 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; uscmikey@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: port replicator wanted Michael asked <> Check out the ThinkPad Dock II available from www.onsale.com (go to computers / notebooks / accessories. Starting bid is $299, and so far, no bids on 5 units, so this might be a possibility for you. Bidding closes at 12:30 Pacific time tomorrow. I know you asked for a replicator, but a full Dock II at this price might be an attractive substitute. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 6 18:55:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230230917; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:55:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28537; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:48:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28401; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:48:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28383; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts11.loop.net (p21.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.126]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA03877 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:39:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801062339.PAA03877@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 15:46:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:08:26 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >Could it have something to do with the power saving features? I'm >starting to think that my 360PE is doing the same kind of thing, I've >just never given it any thought. > > Any my 701 is also having problems of auto adjusting th contrast, and I can see it happen, and this is not something from the temperature. It gets me upset that first there is the poorly implemented keyboard, and now the screen. Sheesh. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 3h 46m 43s 726ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 07:52:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249627540; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:52:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23138; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:48:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22993; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (sunset.ma.huji.ac.il [132.64.32.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22968; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hart@localhost) by sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id OAA06842; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST) From: Sergiu Hart X-Sender: hart@sunset.ma.huji.ac.il To: Poh Kian Hock Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen In-Reply-To: <01BD1B0F.02F1C3A0@pc00001> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [] the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until it gets about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac without the battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not attached to ac. it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i guess it has to do with the charging circuitry ... any suggestions are welcome. On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Poh Kian Hock wrote: > Thanks to all who gave advice. > Here's an update of a most trying experience: > > On Sunday, I went back to the shop to get the 560 exchanged. Sales person tests out > the only other 2 sets of the same model. One of them has unacceptable dead pixels. > The other had the same flickering problem. Sales person orders more stock from > warehouse. > > On Tuesday, I went to get it exchanged again. This time we discovered that it works > fine with just the AC without the battery and it seems > the problem is caused by the battery. We tried another battery which also gave the same > problem. I was finally given a new machine with another battery. > Trying it out it worked fine. > > Upon reaching home, I started to work with it but 2 hours later the problem came back > again. Removing the battery and running it just on AC got rid of the flickering. > > Help! It can't be that all the batteries are faulty or all the 560 are having problems right? > Is this a known problem? > > I just hate to think that I have to go back a fourth time! My dream of owning a Thinkpad > (my 1st Notebook) is turning into a bad dream ..... :-( > My boss will laugh his head off now. He had told me to expect problems with Thinkpads, > to which I insisted that he was being bias. Now I'm not quite sure ....... > > Anyone also thinking of getting this model should check very carefully. > > KianHock > > ---------- > From: Poh Kian Hock > Sent: 03 January 1998 09:11 > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > Hi everyone, > > Happy New Year. > > I've subscribed to this group for a few months now even though I don't own a Thinkpad or a notebook for that matter. > > Well, today I bought myself a Thinkpad 560, with the following conifguration: > > P133 mhz ( yup, no L2 cache ) > 40 mb RAM ( but this should make up for it!) > 1.08 gb HDD > 12.1" TFT screen > 56K Xircom PC Card > > I got it at a decent price coz it's not the newest model. So far I'm quite happy with it except for one thing: > > The screen would once in a while flicker faintly, no streaks or anything like that, just a bit like when you adjust the brightness button and it slightly flickers while changing brightness. It happens both on AC as well as battery. So far have not noticed any particular sequence or pattern that goes with it. > Since I've never owned a notebook before, can anyone tell me whether this is normal for a new machine? Does anyone have this same problem? I just hope that in the worst case it's just a driver problem. > > Many thanks in advance. > > Proud Thinkpad owner, > Kian Hock > > > > > bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 10:35:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016967331; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:35:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29766; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29426; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29414; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:29:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA00428; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 07:20:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801071520.HAA00428@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mike Welch" , "Poh Kian Hock" , "Sergiu Hart" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 07 Jan 98 07:27:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > >[] > >the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until it gets >about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac without the >battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not attached to ac. >it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i guess it has >to do with the charging circuitry ... > >any suggestions are welcome. I was just thinking about this - does the machine get VERY hot when the battery charges? Maybe heat has a role in this problem. Also, are anyone's LCDs TFT, or all DSTN? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 0m 35s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 10:46:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021727995; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:46:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00520; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:39:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00395; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:39:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00383; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04552; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14097; Wed, 7 Jan 98 10:40:03 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA25656; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:40:00 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: "William C. Hay" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 701c modem and battery In-Reply-To: <01BD1A04.275F72C0@YORICK.llt.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please put carriage returns at the end of your lines. I talk about the modem problem further down, for those following the other 701 modem thread. On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, William C. Hay wrote: > > Battery: The battery lasts 1.5 to 2 hours, which is standard > as far as I know, The NiCd should last about 1.5 hours. The NiMH lasts about 2.5 hours new, though you can eke out 3+ hours if you have power management set up wisely. My NiMH (2.5 years old) now only gives a little under 2 hours. I haven't found my 2nd NiMH since I moved (hint: let your friends help you move, but don't let them help you pack), but I suspect it'll hold about 2.5 hours since I've only used it a dozen or so times. > but the displayed remaining battery time > does not jibe with reality. As soon as the battery reaches the > red level (30%), it's time to switch to AC power or the system > shuts down quickly. This happened under both Win 3.1 and > Win95. I had this problem once early on. I switched to my second battery to see if it might be a battery problem. The second battery discharged and recharged just fine, 100% -> 0%. When I stuck the original battery it, it too worked just fine. A couple months ago, the battery would show 100%, but quickly dropped to 0% about 1 minute after I took it off AC. Plugging it back into AC would show the charge beginning 0% to about 5% at which point it would jump to 100%. Plugging in my new battery did not help. Since I rarely used the machine anymore, I just left it on AC and a few weeks later it seemed to be charging normally again. I suspect the problem is with the charging mechanism built into the 701. Perhaps it's reading the battery voltage incorrectly, or somehow it thinks you have a NiCd when you have a NiMH or vice versa. > Built-in modem: Dialing in under Win95 to our NT4.0 RAS, I get > disconnected every 4-5 minutes with a host hang-up. This > doesn't happen to others who dial in with other equipment. > Once, just once, I stayed connected for 20 minutes before > being cut off. I suspect the modem, maybe some sort of power > save or something is cutting in. It seems too regular to be > line noise or similar. This happens with both battery and AC > power. This problem is well documented on this list. :-) It has something to do with LAPM compression. The modem is actually a software modem using a DSP chipset (kinda like the MWave except the software is read off ROM or something instead of loaded by the OS). Our guess was that there's a bug in the modem software or the DSP just isn't capable of doing LAPM compression along with a 14.4 or 19.2 connection. There's a simple AT sequence to switch the modem from LAPM to MNP 5 compression. I don't remember it offhand, but it seemed to fix the problem for most of the people who tried it. Look in your modem manual, or maybe someone with a better memory can post it. You lose a tiny bit of throughput on uncompressed data (MNP 5 has a theoretical maximum compression of 2:1, while LAPM has a theoretical maximum compression of 4:1, real-life values seem to be about 1.4:1 vs. 1.5:1), but you should stay connected. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 10:48:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023148130; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:48:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00931; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00830; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00780; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29018; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14116; Wed, 7 Jan 98 10:42:29 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA25712; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:42:38 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Linn Skipper Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Colors on a 750c In-Reply-To: <34B17973.17E7@ftc-i.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Linn Skipper wrote: > > I noticed he other day that my 750c is only using 16 colors. I tried > changing the settings but I get an error message (docked or undocked) > about something conflicting. Is there some driver I need to load? All > help appreciated. Using win95 (osr2) The 750 and 755 use the Western Digital 90c24 video chipset. Try Western Digital's web site for drivers. As for the error message, there are a lot of things that could be conflicting. If the new drivers don't work, write down the error message exactly and post it here. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 22:57:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA042541828; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:57:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02107; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:48:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01418; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01180; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts00.loop.net (p24.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.39]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA23954; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 19:38:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801080338.TAA23954@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "William C. Hay" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 07 Jan 98 19:46:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701c modem and battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> but the displayed remaining battery time >> does not jibe with reality. As soon as the battery reaches the >> red level (30%), it's time to switch to AC power or the system >> shuts down quickly. This happened under both Win 3.1 and >> Win95. > >I had this problem once early on. I switched to my second >battery to see if it might be a battery problem. The second >battery discharged and recharged just fine, 100% -> 0%. When I >stuck the original battery it, it too worked just fine. > Same here, but under OS/2 Warp. I will never put Window on my computer again. But anyways, I distinctly remember one time it went from 63% to 0% (this is the 3rd or so battery, before that battery warranty expired), or sometimes it would go from 100 to 0 like you said, but if I kept the machine busy (moving the mouse), or typing, it would last like 45 minutes or something like that. >A couple months ago, the battery would show 100%, but quickly >dropped to 0% about 1 minute after I took it off AC. Plugging >it back into AC would show the charge beginning 0% to about 5% >at which point it would jump to 100%. Plugging in my new >battery did not help. Since I rarely used the machine anymore, >I just left it on AC and a few weeks later it seemed to be >charging normally again. > >I suspect the problem is with the charging mechanism built into >the 701. Perhaps it's reading the battery voltage incorrectly, >or somehow it thinks you have a NiCd when you have a NiMH or >vice versa. > I wouldn't be supprised if that's what is is. >> Built-in modem: Dialing in under Win95 to our NT4.0 RAS, I get >> disconnected every 4-5 minutes with a host hang-up. This >> doesn't happen to others who dial in with other equipment. >> Once, just once, I stayed connected for 20 minutes before >> being cut off. I suspect the modem, maybe some sort of power >> save or something is cutting in. It seems too regular to be >> line noise or similar. This happens with both battery and AC >> power. > >This problem is well documented on this list. :-) > With ALL operating systems.:-( >It has something to do with LAPM compression. The modem is >actually a software modem using a DSP chipset (kinda like the >MWave except the software is read off ROM or something instead >of loaded by the OS). Our guess was that there's a bug in the >modem software or the DSP just isn't capable of doing LAPM >compression along with a 14.4 or 19.2 connection. > I like a PCMCIA modem better, though. A few times I had to resort to a 2500 or 9600bps external, and before that, an IBM PCMCIA 2400 (slow, but very reliable). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 21h 18m 53s 62ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 23:06:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA046752402; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:06:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04367; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:05:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:04:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04221; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04209; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:04:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.67.84.58]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA15570; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 04:04:18 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Parts for Thinkpad 510 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 22:07:50 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980108040416.AAA15570@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've recently come across a used Thinkpad 510C up for sale at a very reasonable price. Unfortunately, the price is reasonable due to the fact that it has some missing and or broken parts. The computer itself is in working condition, but I would have to replace the AC adapter, external diskette drive and possible the port replicator. I'm considering buying this unit as a backup for my Thinkpad 701C, but from what I can find on the IBM parts page, replacing these pieces at the factory price would quickly render this computer a not so great deal. Therefore my question is for any of you out there with experience with the TP500/510C: are parts for this unit available on the used/surplus market? Would it be worth my trouble to track them down if they are? Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 7 23:50:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA064545006; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:50:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09564; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:48:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09400; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:48:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09388; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 23:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:48:03 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Swartz, Charles" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , Mike Welch , Poh Kian Hock , Sergiu Hart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 20:48:00 -0800 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, this is really curious. I have the very same unit - TFT - and it displays the flicker described, but *only* on AC. Never on battery. I asked EasyServ to check out the brick the last time it went in and they said it was fine. It makes me suspect a loose connection somewhere. I've never had it do this with the battery. Charles S. Swartz Program Manager Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts UCLA Extension 310-825-9634 Phone 310-206-7435 Fax cswartz@unex.ucla.edu -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:28 PM To: Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > >[] > >the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until it gets >about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac without the >battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not attached to ac. >it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i guess it has >to do with the charging circuitry ... > >any suggestions are welcome. I was just thinking about this - does the machine get VERY hot when the battery charges? Maybe heat has a role in this problem. Also, are anyone's LCDs TFT, or all DSTN? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 0m 35s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 00:27:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA081197269; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:27:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11654; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:26:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11493; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Seoul-PSD.korea.army.mil (SEOUL-PSD.KOREA.ARMY.MIL [144.59.51.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11480; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 00:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by PSD2 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:28:18 +0900 Message-Id: From: "Bronson, Scott E." To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Config Utility vs Win95 PnP on my 701C Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:28:16 +0900 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 701C Users: I try and force my Multiport II config to see a Parallel Port on LPT2 w/ EPP and disable the parallel/disk port. Windows95 detects the port and assigns as a LPT1 STANDARD port, not as an EPP. I'm trying to get EPP w/ my scanner via Multiport II. I've also noticed that my COM ports act the same way. COM1 is my modem, COM2 is my Multiport II serial port, and I've DISABLED the IRa port so I don't get a IRQ conflict, but Win95 always installs it since it see's it. Why does it see it? And is there a way around this so my IBM 701C Config Utility matches what Win95 see's?? Tried to force Audio setting in the past from the config utility, but had the same problem. TIA, Scott Scott E. Bronson Phone: 724-7618 CPT, SC Fax: 724-7680 Communications Systems Engineer Project Support Directorate 1st Signal Brigade "Voice of the ROK!" Email: sbronson@seoul-psd.korea.army.mil From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 17:46:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231989606; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:46:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04110; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:44:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03987; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03963; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA25210 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801082242.OAA25210@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad 750 battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if The Thinkpad 750 uses the same batteries as the 755 series? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 18:30:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252582207; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:30:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05881; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05811; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05797; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from aarau.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251682123; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:43 -0500 Received: by aarau.ai.mit.edu id m0xqRNV-00004eC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:45 -0500 (EST) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: phr@netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801082242.OAA25210@netcom9.netcom.com> (phr@netcom.com) Subject: thinkpad 750 battery X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.92, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Does anyone know if The Thinkpad 750 uses the same batteries as the 755 series? Thanks. They are the same as the 755C, definitely. I don't know about other models. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 18:39:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256942784; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:39:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06501; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:33:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06295; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:33:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06261; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts16.loop.net (p19.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25939; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:23:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801082323.PAA25939@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Hanson" , "phr@netcom.com" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 15:31:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad 750 battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 18:28:45 -0500 (EST), Chris Hanson wrote: > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 14:42:42 -0800 (PST) > From: Paul Rubin > > Does anyone know if The Thinkpad 750 uses the same batteries > as the 755 series? Thanks. > >They are the same as the 755C, definitely. I don't know about other >models. > Should also work with the 355/360 batteries, too. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 19h 19m 5s 828ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 19:01:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262234118; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:01:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07617; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:00:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07495; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07482; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 08 Jan 1998 16:00:31 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD1C4E.F030D1C0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:03:19 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD1C4E.F030D1C0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: thinkpad 750 battery Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:03:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu NO !!! The 355 /360 batteries will fit ..BUT The lack of a Smart battery {the 750 /755 used a Cpu in the battery} will confuse the charging circuit in a 750/755. In other words when I stuck a 360 battery in a TP 750 it worked fine till it needed to recharge. At this point the machine was confused though I can't recall what the exact symptons were. On the other hand the TP 360 really liked the 750 battery (grin). ..peter.. Should also work with the 355/360 batteries, too. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 19h 19m 5s 828ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 19:12:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA263924728; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:12:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08246; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:10:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08129; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:10:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08097; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12787; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:09:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801090009.QAA12787@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "tisol" Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 16:09:41 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: thinkpad 750 battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 16:03:18 -0800, tisol wrote: > > > > >NO !!! The 355 /360 batteries will fit ..BUT >The lack of a Smart battery {the 750 /755 used a Cpu in the battery} will confuse the charging circuit >in a 750/755. >In other words when I stuck a 360 battery in a TP 750 it worked fine till it needed to recharge. >At this point the machine was confused though I can't recall what the exact symptons were. >On the other hand the TP 360 really liked the 750 battery (grin). > Hmmm, I knew that the 355/360 likes the 750 batteries with the special circuit, but I never knew you couldn't do it the other way around. Hmmm. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 19h 57m 10s 429ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 19:26:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA266155600; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:26:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08848; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:20:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08752; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sg.wdc.com (sg.wdc.com [129.253.98.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08735; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.253.109.60] by sg.wdc.com; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:17:34 +0800 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:25:06 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time) From: Poh Kian Hock Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen To: pkhoury@loop.com, mikew@anet-dfw.com, hart@math.huji.ac.il, CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This makes me wonder ....could it be that this particular batch or even worse this particular model has some quality problem. My former boss and I think also someone on this list said that their 560 P120 model has no such problem. Does anyone else having this same model also face this flickering problem? What about those lucky people who owns one of those 560E series? Just for the record, model and config: Thinkpad 560 2640FNE Pentium 133 8 mb + 32 mb RAM 1.08 gb HDD 12.1" TFT screen Kian Hock ---------- From: Swartz, Charles[SMTP:CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 12:48 PM To: 'Paul Khoury'; Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Well, this is really curious. I have the very same unit - TFT - and it displays the flicker described, but *only* on AC. Never on battery. I asked EasyServ to check out the brick the last time it went in and they said it was fine. It makes me suspect a loose connection somewhere. I've never had it do this with the battery. Charles S. Swartz Program Manager Department of Entertainment Studies and Performing Arts UCLA Extension 310-825-9634 Phone 310-206-7435 Fax cswartz@unex.ucla.edu -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:28 PM To: Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > >[] > >the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until it gets >about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac without the >battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not attached to ac. >it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i guess it has >to do with the charging circuitry ... > >any suggestions are welcome. I was just thinking about this - does the machine get VERY hot when the battery charges? Maybe heat has a role in this problem. Also, are anyone's LCDs TFT, or all DSTN? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 8 20:59:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279711190; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:59:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11510; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:27:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11355; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPSYS01 (upimssmtpsys01.email.msn.com [207.68.152.139]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11343; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 20:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR01 - 207.68.143.137 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:24:56 -0800 Received: from larsel - 153.34.52.108 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:24:51 -0800 From: "LPL" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: "Swartz, Charles" , "'Paul Khoury'" , "Mike Welch" , "Poh Kian Hock" , "Sergiu Hart" Cc: Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 19:30:56 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-Id: <0d2565124010918UPIMSSMTPUSR01@email.msn.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've had the same flickering described below since the case was opened up and a new hard drive put in. Maddening. -----Original Message----- From: Swartz, Charles To: 'Paul Khoury' ; Mike Welch ; Poh Kian Hock ; Sergiu Hart Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, January 08, 1998 4:52 AM Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen >Well, this is really curious. I have the very same unit - TFT - and it >displays the flicker described, but *only* on AC. Never on battery. I >asked EasyServ to check out the brick the last time it went in and they >said it was fine. It makes me suspect a loose connection somewhere. >I've never had it do this with the battery. > > > >Charles S. Swartz >Program Manager >Department of Entertainment Studies and > Performing Arts >UCLA Extension > >310-825-9634 Phone >310-206-7435 Fax >cswartz@unex.ucla.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:28 PM > To: Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > > > > >[] > > > >the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until >it gets > >about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac >without the > >battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not >attached to ac. > >it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i >guess it has > >to do with the charging circuitry ... > > > >any suggestions are welcome. > > I was just thinking about this - does the machine get VERY hot > when the battery charges? Maybe heat has a role in this > problem. Also, are anyone's LCDs TFT, or all DSTN? > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 24 Processes with 85 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 0m 35s 359ms. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 00:12:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007302778; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:12:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16846; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:20:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16399; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:20:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16316; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p303.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.207]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10792 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:09:40 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34B5A23A.FAF19094@socket.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 22:06:18 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP:All] cheap external floppies X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I hope this isn't considered a commercial intrusion, but I recently found a deal that I think list members will be interested in. I received an external floppy from BG Micro today (http://www.bgmicro.com) that was originally made for Dell, but is a fit on the "outboard" end of the new floppy cable I just got for my 701C. It works perfectly! And best of all it was only $12.50! I assume that it would fit any of the TP cables that fit IBM external floppies. It's not "TP black," but it is a *very* dark gray and a small, flat (~3/4") unit. For the record, I have no Dell stock, I don't work for BG Micro, etc. Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 00:13:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007512832; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:13:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16850; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:21:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16458; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from se.mediaone.net (stjohns.se.mediaone.net [24.129.0.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16446; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:21:25 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from dell- ([24.129.48.3]) by se.mediaone.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id AAA27014 for ; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:20:55 -0500 Message-Id: <008b01bd1cb5$8e9c2ce0$03308118@dell-> To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Thinkpad Newbie Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:15:47 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Add one to the Legions of the ThinkPad faithful. I'm a Navy (LAMPS) pilot who got a ThinkPad 701CS about a month ago. It came with a 540 HD, 16 megs of RAM and a NiMH battery. It also came with the AC adapter, floppy drive and associated cable, and I just received a parallel cable which I had ordered from IBM Direct. Unfortunately, it didn't include the port replicator (Multiport II ?). Since this ThinkPad's primary purpose in life will be to program the engine management computer in my RX-7(http://www.mothers.com/coolcars_cstmr/coolcars_cstmr.html), the serial port connection is critical to the unit's usefulness to me. In search of a port replicator, I know that I can buy one direct from IBM for $180, but before I resign to this addition cost, I want to be certain that it could not be purchased used. I've been monitoring EBay, and two other auction sites, but in the last couple of weeks, none have surfaced. I've checked out Xtend's site, but they don't make a model for the 701's. So the first request from this ThinkPad Newbie is for any leads on a used port replicator, before I commit to buying new. Somewhat along those same line, I'll need a auto adapter, I'd like to find a used one, but if push come to shove, new Xtend or Essex auto chargers are only $80-$100. BTW, I've reread the last year's archives and have already found solutions for a other concerns. Flyin and Racin Rotary Beasts, Carlos A. Iglesias (aka Spic Racer) RX-7 Club of Florida From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 01:18:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017896732; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:18:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20641; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:17:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20500; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20480; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from jmcghee.cyberramp.net (pm3-26.cyberramp.net [207.158.78.90]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/jkd-0108-2359-NR-RBL5) with SMTP id AAA25330; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 00:17:02 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B5C0DB.591E@cyberramp.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:16:59 -0600 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: lmills@socket.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies References: <34B5A23A.FAF19094@socket.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I looked and couldn't find them. Can you post the url? Thanks, Jim Lewis Mills wrote: > > Hi, > > I hope this isn't considered a commercial intrusion, but I recently > found a deal that I think list members will be interested in. > > I received an external floppy from BG Micro today > (http://www.bgmicro.com) that was originally made for Dell, but is a fit > on the "outboard" end of the new floppy cable I just got for my 701C. > It works perfectly! And best of all it was only $12.50! I assume that > it would fit any of the TP cables that fit IBM external floppies. It's > not "TP black," but it is a *very* dark gray and a small, flat (~3/4") > unit. > > For the record, I have no Dell stock, I don't work for BG Micro, etc. > > Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 01:50:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027258631; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:50:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21495; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:49:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21424; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21412; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 01:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts05.loop.net (p07.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.172]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA13848; Thu, 8 Jan 1998 22:40:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801090640.WAA13848@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jim McGhee" , "lmills@socket.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 22:47:49 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:16:59 -0600, Jim McGhee wrote: >Hi, >I looked and couldn't find them. Can you post the url? > Jim and others - There is a place on the page to download the whole catalog or just certain pages in .pdf format. It is page 17 that has the floppy drive. Here is what I saw in OS/2 Acrobat: 1.44-3.5" Out board drive for your laptop. DB- 25 male plug-Re- quires DB-25 fe- male external floppy drive port-Not PCMCIA-Measures 5-3/4"L x4-1/ 4"W x3/4"T......................................................... ............................................................... $12.50 It looks just like my ThinkPad's drive, except for the Dell logo on the top, and the cable they supply with it. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 25m 8s 70ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 04:53:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052629626; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:53:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05279; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:51:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05104; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:51:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (sunset.ma.huji.ac.il [132.64.32.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05090; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hart@localhost) by sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id LAA15928 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:26 +0200 (IST) From: Sergiu Hart X-Sender: hart@sunset.ma.huji.ac.il To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560 -- extend warranty? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [] my one year warranty on the 560 ends this month. did anyone extend it? how much it costs? is it international, or only local as i am being told by ibm/usa ? bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 08:19:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073331976; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:19:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14686; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:19:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:16:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14458; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14446; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [198.223.61.83] by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA23058; Fri, 9 Jan 98 08:16:02 EST Message-Id: <34B622E4.54884D14@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:15:16 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TrackPoint creep Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I recently started using a Sierra Wireless AirCard (CDPD) PC card in Windows 95 on my 770, I started to notice that the TrackPoint tends to creep to the left. I am well aware of the self-adjusting nature of the TrackPoint (i.e., if it starts to creep leave it alone and it will stop). This is different. It doesn't self adjust and it only tends to happen when there is a lot of cellular network traffic. I only see this problem when the AirCard is in use. Is there any chance this could be some type of resource conflict? I can't see the conflict in the device manager, but I might not be looking in the right place. Thanks. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 09:45:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084217100; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:45:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18888; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:43:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18717; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.165]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18704; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:40:48 -0500 (EST) From: TeresaJ53 Message-Id: <5de12317.34b636ba@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:39:54 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu WTB: IBM TP 730T From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 11:21:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097922879; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25652; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:19:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25473; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25457; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id KAA12420; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:13:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B64E68.1312@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:20:56 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: lmills@socket.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies References: <34B5A23A.FAF19094@socket.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't know about everybody else on this newsgroup, but I think that kind of information is _very_ appropriate. Now if you could just find someone with ThinkPad batteries for the same price :) Lewis Mills wrote: > > Hi, > > I hope this isn't considered a commercial intrusion, but I recently > found a deal that I think list members will be interested in. > > I received an external floppy from BG Micro today > (http://www.bgmicro.com) that was originally made for Dell, but is a fit > on the "outboard" end of the new floppy cable I just got for my 701C. > It works perfectly! And best of all it was only $12.50! I assume that > it would fit any of the TP cables that fit IBM external floppies. It's > not "TP black," but it is a *very* dark gray and a small, flat (~3/4") > unit. > > For the record, I have no Dell stock, I don't work for BG Micro, etc. > > Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 11:32:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA099453520; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:32:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27098; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:29:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26846; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from vader.dhs.com (vader.dhs.com [198.69.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26832; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from jim.dhs.com ([198.69.202.22]) by vader.dhs.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA04688; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:28:54 -0600 Message-Id: <34B6504C.3AA8@cyberramp.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:29:00 -0600 From: Jim McGhee Reply-To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies References: <199801090640.WAA13848@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, This states the floppy has a DB-25 connector. No Thinkpad external floppy that I know uses a DB-25 connector. Are you SURE this will fit? Are they wrong about the connector on the floppy? Thanks, Jim Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:16:59 -0600, Jim McGhee wrote: > > >Hi, > >I looked and couldn't find them. Can you post the url? > > > > Jim and others - > There is a place on the page to download the whole catalog or just > certain pages in .pdf format. > It is page 17 that has the floppy drive. > Here is what I saw in OS/2 Acrobat: > > 1.44-3.5" Out > board drive for > your laptop. DB- > 25 male plug-Re- > quires DB-25 fe- > male external floppy > drive port-Not PCMCIA-Measures 5-3/4"L x4-1/ > 4"W x3/4"T......................................................... > ............................................................... > $12.50 > > It looks just like my ThinkPad's drive, except for the Dell logo on the top, and > the cable they supply with it. > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 25m 8s 70ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 11:55:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103074947; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:55:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28550; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28356; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28343; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:49:45 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 86256587.005C8C7F ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:50:52 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <86256587.005C5068.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Be careful, not all external Thinkpad floppy drives have the same connectors. I know that the TP560 won't fit a TP760. Paul, how about the 701 vs 560? Rich Chong From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 11:58:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103385084; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:58:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28916; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:53:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28713; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28659; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:52:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA20568; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:52:33 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:00:00 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F010177093@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'jmcghee@cyberramp.net'" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:43 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Jim, Yeah, that's not exactly clear. The floppy comes with a removable cable. That cable - at the end away from the floppy - has a DB25 connector. However, the floppy fits on the end of the TP floppy cable, so you would not use the cable that comes with the drive. Another way to look at is: the removable cable connection on the Dell floppy from bgmicro is identical to the one on the TP floppy (assuming all TP floppies that have removable cables use the same drive enclosure and connector). Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Jim McGhee [SMTP:jmcghee@cyberramp.net] Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 10:32 AM To: Paul Khoury Cc: lmills@socket.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Hi, This states the floppy has a DB-25 connector. No Thinkpad external floppy that I know uses a DB-25 connector. Are you SURE this will fit? Are they wrong about the connector on the floppy? Thanks, Jim Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:16:59 -0600, Jim McGhee wrote: > > >Hi, > >I looked and couldn't find them. Can you post the url? > > > > Jim and others - > There is a place on the page to download the whole catalog or just > certain pages in .pdf format. > It is page 17 that has the floppy drive. > Here is what I saw in OS/2 Acrobat: > > 1.44-3.5" Out > board drive for > your laptop. DB- > 25 male plug-Re- > quires DB-25 fe- > male external floppy > drive port-Not PCMCIA-Measures 5-3/4"L x4-1/ > 4"W x3/4"T......................................................... > ............................................................... > $12.50 > > It looks just like my ThinkPad's drive, except for the Dell logo on the top, and > the cable they supply with it. > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 25m 8s 70ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 12:51:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112218297; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:51:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26488; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:25:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:23:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26222; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26079; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id KAA12616; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:18:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B64F5F.2E95@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:25:03 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: Jim McGhee , "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies References: <199801090640.WAA13848@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If it looks just like your True Blue except for the color, it probably is made by the same OEM. I have a Dell keyboard I'm typing on right now that is clearly and obviously one of the original clickity PS/2 keyboards. In fact, on the back is a sticker that says it's made by Lexmark. Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 00:16:59 -0600, Jim McGhee wrote: > > >Hi, > >I looked and couldn't find them. Can you post the url? > > > > Jim and others - > There is a place on the page to download the whole catalog or just > certain pages in .pdf format. > It is page 17 that has the floppy drive. > Here is what I saw in OS/2 Acrobat: > > 1.44-3.5" Out > board drive for > your laptop. DB- > 25 male plug-Re- > quires DB-25 fe- > male external floppy > drive port-Not PCMCIA-Measures 5-3/4"L x4-1/ > 4"W x3/4"T......................................................... > ............................................................... > $12.50 > > It looks just like my ThinkPad's drive, except for the Dell logo on the top, and > the cable they supply with it. > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 31 Processes with 103 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 25m 8s 70ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 12:57:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112858659; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 12:57:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26141; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25749; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (sunset.ma.huji.ac.il [132.64.32.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25722; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hart@localhost) by sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA22415; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:21:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:21:31 +0200 (IST) From: Sergiu Hart X-Sender: hart@sunset.ma.huji.ac.il To: Poh Kian Hock Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, mikew@anet-dfw.com, CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [] look what i found on the ibm web page. maybe it is the same with the 560? -------------------------------------------------------- LCD Screen Flicker ThinkPad 760 A problem has been found with the 40W AC Adapter that has been shipping with some ThinkPad 760 models. The system of the problem shows as a Flickering LCD Screen when the battery is being charged - usually within the 30-50% region. This problem is fixed by replacing the 40W Adapter (FRU p/n 49G2196) with the 35W Adapter (FRU p/n 85G6701). All ThinkPad 760 models now ship with the 35W adapter as standard. --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Poh Kian Hock wrote: > This makes me wonder ....could it be that this particular batch or even > worse this particular model has some quality problem. My former boss and I > think also someone on this list said that their 560 P120 model has no such > problem. > > Does anyone else having this same model also face this flickering problem? > What about those lucky people who owns one of those 560E series? > > Just for the record, model and config: > > Thinkpad 560 2640FNE > Pentium 133 > 8 mb + 32 mb RAM > 1.08 gb HDD > 12.1" TFT screen > > Kian Hock > > > ---------- > From: Swartz, Charles[SMTP:CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 12:48 PM > To: 'Paul Khoury'; Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > Well, this is really curious. I have the very same unit - TFT - and it > displays the flicker described, but *only* on AC. Never on battery. I > asked EasyServ to check out the brick the last time it went in and they > said it was fine. It makes me suspect a loose connection somewhere. > I've never had it do this with the battery. > > > > Charles S. Swartz > Program Manager > Department of Entertainment Studies and > Performing Arts > UCLA Extension > > 310-825-9634 Phone > 310-206-7435 Fax > cswartz@unex.ucla.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:28 PM > To: Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > > > > >[] > > > >the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until > it gets > >about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac > without the > >battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not > attached to ac. > >it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i > guess it has > >to do with the charging circuitry ... > > > >any suggestions are welcome. > > I was just thinking about this - does the machine get VERY hot > when the battery charges? Maybe heat has a role in this > problem. Also, are anyone's LCDs TFT, or all DSTN? > bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 16:12:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148440349; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:12:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11331; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:05:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11112; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11099; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-e-69.usc.edu [128.125.222.213]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA24109; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:05:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980109122718.007701d8@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:05:31 -0800 To: From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:49 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > >Be careful, not all external Thinkpad floppy drives have the same >connectors. I know that the TP560 won't fit a TP760. Paul, how about the >701 vs 560? Same. Connector between the machine and the cable is different, ut everything else--cable to floppy drive and floppy itself--is identical. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 16:21:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA150070882; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:21:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11890; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:13:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11757; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11745; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA18776; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 13:12:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980109131230.007acd40@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:12:30 -0800 To: Randal Whittle , From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980109122718.007701d8@rcf.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry to add to all this chaos, but do you think this would work with a TP755CD with a Dock I? Is there a schematic for the cabling of this drive somewhere? Thanks, -Mike At 01:05 PM 1/9/98 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:49 AM 1/9/98 -0500, Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: >> >>Be careful, not all external Thinkpad floppy drives have the same >>connectors. I know that the TP560 won't fit a TP760. Paul, how about the >>701 vs 560? > > Same. Connector between the machine and the cable is different, ut >everything else--cable to floppy drive and floppy itself--is identical. > > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 19:01:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA173220477; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:01:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18187; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:57:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17998; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17983; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from brucemar ([12.68.125.175]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA7292 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:57:12 +0000 Message-Id: <34B6B935.146A@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 18:56:38 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Anyone know about second HDD adaptor? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have just obtained a second HDD adaptor for my 760ED. When I put on old 340MB IBM HDD in a 750/755 caddy, it enables as Drive "D" and works well. When I put in a "Simple Tech" Toshiba 2.1 GIG HDD in a "compatible" caddy, it is not seen at all, although I normally use this drive/caddy as my primary drive C in this machine. MUST I use an IBM drive, do I need a different caddy, anyone got any ideas???? -- Reply to scosgt@worldnet.att.net or trenchgun@aol.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 19:35:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179942552; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:35:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19489; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:33:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19330; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19318; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04759 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:32:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980109163233.007a3600@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:32:33 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: 755CS battery compatible with 755CD? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if the battery for a 755CD can be used in a 755CD (Pentium 75)? I believe they are the same form factor, but I recall something about some smart circuitry in the battery of a 755CD. Thanks, -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 19:38:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180272720; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:38:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19849; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:38:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:37:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19744; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19724; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA05000 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 16:36:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980109163647.0079c600@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 16:36:47 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Which other models can use a 755CD's AC adapter? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Like the subject says, I'm trying to find out which other thinkpads can use the AC adapter that came with my 755CD. Thanks, -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 20:40:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189426422; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:40:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21840; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:33:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21661; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:33:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from sg.wdc.com (sg.wdc.com [129.253.98.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21645; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.253.97.73] by sg.wdc.com; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:30:00 +0800 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:37:30 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time) From: Poh Kian Hock Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen To: hart@math.huji.ac.il Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mine has the problem despite I'm using what seems to be the 35W ac FRU p/n 85G6736 The sales person did mention that he had this AC-caused-flickering in a previous batch. Anyway, he is doing some testing and should be getting back to me soon. kianhock ---------- From: Sergiu Hart[SMTP:hart@math.huji.ac.il] Sent: Saturday, January 10, 1998 2:21 AM To: Poh Kian Hock Cc: pkhoury@loop.com; mikew@anet-dfw.com; CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen [] look what i found on the ibm web page. maybe it is the same with the 560? -------------------------------------------------------- LCD Screen Flicker ThinkPad 760 A problem has been found with the 40W AC Adapter that has been shipping with some ThinkPad 760 models. The system of the problem shows as a Flickering LCD Screen when the battery is being charged - usually within the 30-50% region. This problem is fixed by replacing the 40W Adapter (FRU p/n 49G2196) with the 35W Adapter (FRU p/n 85G6701). All ThinkPad 760 models now ship with the 35W adapter as standard. --------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Poh Kian Hock wrote: > This makes me wonder ....could it be that this particular batch or even > worse this particular model has some quality problem. My former boss and I > think also someone on this list said that their 560 P120 model has no such > problem. > > Does anyone else having this same model also face this flickering problem? > What about those lucky people who owns one of those 560E series? > > Just for the record, model and config: > > Thinkpad 560 2640FNE > Pentium 133 > 8 mb + 32 mb RAM > 1.08 gb HDD > 12.1" TFT screen > > Kian Hock > > > ---------- > From: Swartz, Charles[SMTP:CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 1998 12:48 PM > To: 'Paul Khoury'; Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > Well, this is really curious. I have the very same unit - TFT - and it > displays the flicker described, but *only* on AC. Never on battery. I > asked EasyServ to check out the brick the last time it went in and they > said it was fine. It makes me suspect a loose connection somewhere. > I've never had it do this with the battery. > > > > Charles S. Swartz > Program Manager > Department of Entertainment Studies and > Performing Arts > UCLA Extension > > 310-825-9634 Phone > 310-206-7435 Fax > cswartz@unex.ucla.edu > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 1998 11:28 PM > To: Mike Welch; Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:48:22 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > > > > >[] > > > >the screen on my 560 flickers while the battery charges (until > it gets > >about 80 - 90% full). there is no flicker when it works on ac > without the > >battery, or when the battery is full, or when it is not > attached to ac. > >it happens with either one of the 2 batteries i have. so i > guess it has > >to do with the charging circuitry ... > > > >any suggestions are welcome. > > I was just thinking about this - does the machine get VERY hot > when the battery charges? Maybe heat has a role in this > problem. Also, are anyone's LCDs TFT, or all DSTN? > bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 22:07:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203111640; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:07:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24314; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:05:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24165; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24153; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id VAA09390 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:00:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B6E603.5427@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:07:47 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Original PenDos/Phoenix Card Manager disks? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anybody out there have the original PenDos and Phoenix Card Manager disks? My 360PE came with them installed but some of the disk images were missing and am really thinking that some of the trouble I've had has to do with the fact that I don't have a fresh disk. I've checked IBM's site. They have PCM for the 355 out there, but that's all. I couldn't find PenDOS anywhere. I'm starting to think I'm going to revert back to Win31, but I hate losing 32 bit programs! Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 22:18:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204792316; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:18:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24837; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:17:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24740; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24728; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16194; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:08:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100308.TAA16194@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Lee Hetherington" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:16:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TrackPoint creep Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:15:16 -0500, Lee Hetherington wrote: >When I recently started using a Sierra Wireless AirCard (CDPD) PC card >in Windows 95 on my 770, I started to notice that the TrackPoint tends >to creep to the left. I am well aware of the self-adjusting nature of >the TrackPoint (i.e., if it starts to creep leave it alone and it will >stop). This is different. It doesn't self adjust and it only tends to >happen when there is a lot of cellular network traffic. I only see this >problem when the AirCard is in use. > >Is there any chance this could be some type of resource conflict? I >can't see the conflict in the device manager, but I might not be looking >in the right place. What IRQ does your other card use? Because the Trackpoint is a PS/2 device, it uses IRQ 12. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 42m 53s 492ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 22:20:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204952401; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:20:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25048; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:18:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24921; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24909; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16234; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:09:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100309.TAA16234@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Rich_Chong@mail.share.org" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:17:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:52 -0500, Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > >Be careful, not all external Thinkpad floppy drives have the same >connectors. I know that the TP560 won't fit a TP760. Paul, how about the >701 vs 560? I have no idea. Never seen a 560 drive. My only ThinkPads are a dead 355C, and the 701, and after trying to switch the connectors with the 355's FD, I found that they don't work, but it is identified though (the 355's FD on the 701). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 44m 19s 703ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 22:24:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205482652; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:24:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25779; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:22:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25485; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25435; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16334; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:12:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100312.TAA16334@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jmcghee@cyberramp.net" Cc: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:20:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:29:00 -0600, Jim McGhee wrote: >Hi, >This states the floppy has a DB-25 connector. No Thinkpad external >floppy that I know uses a DB-25 connector. Are you SURE this will fit? >Are they wrong about the connector on the floppy? > I think that's the cable that ships with the drive, not the connector on the drive itself. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 47m 29s 234ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 22:28:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205822920; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:28:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26585; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:26:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26440; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26428; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16491; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:17:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100317.TAA16491@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Poh Kian Hock" , "Sergiu Hart" Cc: "CSwartz@unex.ucla.edu" , "mikew@anet-dfw.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:25:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:21:31 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > >[] > >look what i found on the ibm web page. maybe it is the same with >the 560? > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > LCD Screen Flicker > ThinkPad 760 > A problem has been found with the 40W AC Adapter that has been >shipping with some > ThinkPad 760 models. The system of the problem shows as a >Flickering LCD Screen when > the battery is being charged - usually within the 30-50% >region. > This problem is fixed by replacing the 40W Adapter (FRU p/n >49G2196) with the 35W > Adapter (FRU p/n 85G6701). > All ThinkPad 760 models now ship with the 35W adapter as >standard. You might want to call IBM and tell them you suspect your AC adapter is causing the system to malfunction and ask for a replacement. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 52m 15s 859ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 22:50:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211974219; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:50:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27465; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:49:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27380; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27368; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11727; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:52:33 -0800 Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:52:33 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , "Rich_Chong@mail.share.org" Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies In-Reply-To: <199801100309.TAA16234@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Paul, how about the 701 vs 560? >> I have no idea. Never seen a 560 drive. I just sent Paul a 29K shot of the connector on my TP560's floppy drive. Perhaps he will be kind enough to tell us if they at least look the same. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 23:24:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219166267; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:24:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28568; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28435; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28407; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id WAA12102 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:15:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B6F798.411E@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:22:48 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Any old thinkpad pen unit parts out there? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anybody have any old Pen based Thinkpads laying around? Models 700T, 710T, 730T, 360P/360PE, 750P? I'd kind of like to build one from scraps but I don't know where to go to find parts. I'm an individual, not a company, if that matters... Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 23:43:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224167395; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:43:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26348; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:24:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25911; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25845; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16395 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:14:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100314.TAA16395@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:22:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 13:12:30 -0800, Michael Fukatsu wrote: >Sorry to add to all this chaos, but do you think this would work with a >TP755CD with a Dock I? Is there a schematic for the cabling of this drive >somewhere? I wish, because then I would use these drives for my desktop machines with other notebook hardware. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 49m 39s 320ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 23:46:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224607573; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:46:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25536; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:21:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25370; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25353; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16295; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:11:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100311.TAA16295@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "mikew@anet-dfw.com" Cc: "Jim McGhee" , "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:19:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 10:25:03 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >If it looks just like your True Blue except for the color, it probably >is made by the same OEM. I have a Dell keyboard I'm typing on right now >that is clearly and obviously one of the original clickity PS/2 >keyboards. In fact, on the back is a sticker that says it's made by >Lexmark. I'm not supprised. That happens VERY often. I have also noticed that the CD-ROMS in most of the notebooks show a similiar resemblence to the ThinkPad's internal CD-ROM, which I think is again made by Teac (tell me if I'm wrong), so that's probably the same OEM also. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 46m 34s 898ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 9 23:47:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224767645; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:47:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26208; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:25:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25786; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25675; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16362; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:13:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100313.TAA16362@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jmcghee@cyberramp.net" , "lmills@socket.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:21:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:49:43 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi Jim, >Yeah, that's not exactly clear. The floppy comes with a removable cable. > That cable - at the end away from the floppy - has a DB25 connector. > However, the floppy fits on the end of the TP floppy cable, so you would >not use the cable that comes with the drive. Another way to look at is: >the removable cable connection on the Dell floppy from bgmicro is identical >to the one on the TP floppy (assuming all TP floppies that have removable >cables use the same drive enclosure and connector). I wonder if you could plug the cable that ships with the unit into the parallel port that plugs into the floppy connector on the 701 itself, if that makes sense. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 48m 41s 593ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 00:34:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232320485; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:34:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00528; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:59:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29782; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29770; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 23:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA28360; Fri, 9 Jan 98 23:59:32 EST Message-Id: <34B70029.51F9574@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 23:59:21 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: [Fwd: TrackPoint creep] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------26A7F83E5357CAD7530B56DF" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------26A7F83E5357CAD7530B56DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The latest theory is that the TrackPoint creep is caused by RF interference from the cellular modem. It seems to happen only during transmission, and the creep varies with the position of the cellular antenna. This is Sierra Wireless' theory, and so far it seems to make sense. --Lee Hetherington --------------26A7F83E5357CAD7530B56DF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu ([18.27.0.167]) by sls-ss20-1.lcs.mit.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA26923 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 22:17:08 -0500 Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA28011; Fri, 9 Jan 98 22:17:10 EST Received: from p22.hwts14.loop.net (p22.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.217]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16194; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 19:08:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100308.TAA16194@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Lee Hetherington" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 19:16:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TrackPoint creep On Fri, 09 Jan 1998 08:15:16 -0500, Lee Hetherington wrote: >When I recently started using a Sierra Wireless AirCard (CDPD) PC card >in Windows 95 on my 770, I started to notice that the TrackPoint tends >to creep to the left. I am well aware of the self-adjusting nature of >the TrackPoint (i.e., if it starts to creep leave it alone and it will >stop). This is different. It doesn't self adjust and it only tends to >happen when there is a lot of cellular network traffic. I only see this >problem when the AirCard is in use. > >Is there any chance this could be some type of resource conflict? I >can't see the conflict in the device manager, but I might not be looking >in the right place. What IRQ does your other card use? Because the Trackpoint is a PS/2 device, it uses IRQ 12. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 42m 53s 492ms. --------------26A7F83E5357CAD7530B56DF-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 00:43:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA233031021; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02471; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:40:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02142; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:40:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02130; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA08132; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:39:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100539.VAA08132@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 21:39:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 FD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Nice JPG Steve, for a video clip. Anyways, I compared that to my 701, and they look about the same. However, I don't know if they opperate the same, like the 355 FD, and the 701FD switching connectors. But I suppose they should be compatible, to save IBM money. What is the FRU number on it, though? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 23m 52s 289ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 00:53:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234341588; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:53:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03041; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:52:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:50:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02834; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02821; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 00:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts13.loop.net (p12.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.177]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09213 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:49:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801100549.VAA09213@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 21:49:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: JPG of 560 floppy drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone else needs to see the JPG of the 560 floppy drive, it's on my web site at http://p12.hwts13.loop.net/images/jpg/560floppy.jpg The hostname is only valid for tonight (1-9-98). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 33m 36s 570ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 04:08:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262613283; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:08:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08875; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:03:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08518; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:03:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from hermes.clara.net (root@hermes.clara.net [195.8.69.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08497; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 04:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm-thinkpad (du-1526.claranet.co.uk [195.8.78.91]) by hermes.clara.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25023 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:03:37 GMT Message-Id: <199801100903.JAA25023@hermes.clara.net> From: "Nick Dixon" To: Subject: (365X) Hi from Glasgow Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 21:05:22 -0000 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, Having just joined the list, I thought I'd introduce myself! I have recently bought my first Thinkpad, it's not top of the range or anything - but I am very happy with it. P120, 16 mb, 810 HDD 10.4 TFT & 28.8 modem. There are a couple of things I am curious about though. 1. My battery indicator is restricted to telling me it's charged at 100,80 or 20 per cent - nothing in between, thus making it tricky to tell exactly how much power is left. Is there anything I can do about this? Is there perhaps an upgrade available form the IBM site? 2. Also, the mouse pointer occaisonally moves on it's own? Anyone know why? Thanks in advance for your help, Nick Dixon From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 06:43:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278812627; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:43:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17681; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:43:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:40:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17464; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17451; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 06:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-54.d.enteract.com (x2-54.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.198]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id FAA17311 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 05:40:31 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:40:23 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34b75d4e.21390884@mail.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:52:33 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >> Paul, how about the 701 vs 560? >>> I have no idea. Never seen a 560 drive. > > I just sent Paul a 29K shot of the connector on my TP560's floppy = drive. >Perhaps he will be kind enough to tell us if they at least look the = same. The drive should work. I've had the 701, and currently have a 510 and 560. All of the drives have been compatible with each other (I use them interchangeably), though each has had to use it's own cable. The connection to the drive itself is always the same, however. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 11:38:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020660321; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:38:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22926; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:35:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22685; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22672; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:35:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA02872; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:35:20 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199801101635.QAA02872@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: (365X) Hi from Glasgow To: nickdixon@clara.net (Nick Dixon) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:35:19 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <199801100903.JAA25023@hermes.clara.net> from "Nick Dixon" at Jan 9, 98 09:05:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > 1. My battery indicator is restricted to telling me it's charged at 100,80 > or 20 per cent - nothing in between, thus making it tricky to tell exactly > how much power is left. Is there anything I can do about this? Is there > perhaps an upgrade available form the IBM site? This is the normal behaviour in the ThinkPad 3xx line; IBM uses a less expensive (and less useful) battery level monitoring scheme in this series that only provides 4 discrete levels 0%, 20%, 80% and 100%. Now, for the ThinkPad 360/750/755 series, it was the battery itself that determined whether you saw the fixed 0-20-80-100 levels, or the full 0-100 range. Hence you could get the full range on a 360 by installing a battery from a 750/755 machine. I do not know if this applies to the 365 models, however. > 2. Also, the mouse pointer occaisonally moves on it's own? Anyone know > why? Yes, this is also normal. This should be mentioned in your manual. It is the trackpoint recalibrating itself. When it occurs, don't use the trackpoint until it stops moving (should be only a few seconds). If you try to use it during the recalibration, it might confuse that calibration round, and you could get more drifting until the next recalibration occurs. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 12:54:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029434848; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:54:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25336; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:50:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24968; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from VM.SC.EDU (vm.sc.edu [129.252.41.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24954; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from student.law.sc.edu by VM.SC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 10 Jan 98 12:49:01 EST Received: from LAW_STUDENT/SpoolDir by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 10 Jan 98 12:50:23 EST5EDT Received: from SpoolDir by LAW_STUDENT (Mercury 1.30); 10 Jan 98 12:49:58 EST5EDT Received: from thingtwo.vmedia.com by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 10 Jan 98 12:49:55 EST5EDT Message-Id: <34B7B4F2.436B@student.law.sc.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:50:42 -0500 From: "Michael J. Verne" Reply-To: vernemj@student.law.sc.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Fukatsu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Which other models can use a 755CD's AC adapter? References: <3.0.2.32.19980109163647.0079c600@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael Fukatsu wrote: > > Like the subject says, I'm trying to find out which other thinkpads can use > the AC adapter that came with my 755CD. i have used the ac adapters interchangeably between the 755c, cs, cse, cd (dx4 & p75), the 360 & 360c with no problems. i swapped around the ones that shipped with the machines and the after-market adapters, both us & int'l. -- Michael J. Verne uscmikey@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 12:54:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029504851; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:54:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25445; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:53:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:51:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25081; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25061; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx08-16.teleport.com (ip-pdx08-16.teleport.com [206.163.123.240]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15603 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:51:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:51:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801101751.JAA15603@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: 701 Hinge stiffness Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all: I posted a question a couple of weeks back asking whether anyone knew what to do about stiff and noisy hinges....as nobody responded I called IBM (after first trying the email where they said call service)and asked whether there was an approved lube procedure etc. Father IBM says it's EasyServ time. Ugh. I have been concerned as the hinge is getting stiffer and noiser (sounds like the door to the haunted house)and I fear what wear is going on inside. They are also going to look at my mushy but functional left trackpoint button which is also not user servicable. As this is my first time with service is there anything I should know about the process? They did say to take the extra memory out. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 13:12:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA031125940; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:12:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26358; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:09:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26051; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26039; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:09:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IS7JLAN2WG8WX9Q4@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:09:44 MST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:55:23 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 701 Hinge stiffness In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:51:29 -0800 (PST)" <199801101751.JAA15603@mail1.teleport.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IS7K6E5B9Y8WX9Q4@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > As this is my first time with service is there anything I should know about > the process? They did say to take the extra memory out. I just sent my 755CE in for service for the second time in three years. IBM will include an inventory sheet with the box they send you to ship the computer back to them wherein you can list everything you're sending in with the basic Thinkpad itself. The amount of detail in this sheet has really improved since I last saw one, it now even includes the little bezels and other small stuff that can be a big pain if lost. My problem is the left mouse (trackpoint) button (was the first time too, Lexmark is not one of my favorite companies at this point...) so I pulled all the removable stuff (floppy, memory, battery, hard disk) out - why take chances? The new IBM form also has a very hard to miss block in the center where they explain if there's a hard disk problem you could lose all data on the old one, you need to back up first and then sign it so they'll know you're aware and prepared for this. If I had to send in the battery I'd take it out of the computer first. Mine arrived from IBM that way, it seems pretty heavy to leave in as shipping involves some bouncing around... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 13:55:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036828536; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:55:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27520; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:50:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27399; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27386; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:50:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts06.loop.net (p20.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.215]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA06248; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:41:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801101841.KAA06248@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Nick Dixon" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 10:49:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (365X) Hi from Glasgow Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >2. Also, the mouse pointer occaisonally moves on it's own? Anyone know >why? > Sometimes it "aligns" itself, or because of temperature/environment changes. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 14h 33m 50s 695ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 13:56:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036928617; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:56:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27974; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:54:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27629; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27616; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 13:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts06.loop.net (p20.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.215]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA06348; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 10:45:20 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801101845.KAA06348@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 10:53:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 Hinge stiffness Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I posted a question a couple of weeks back asking whether anyone knew what >to do about stiff and noisy hinges....as nobody responded I called IBM >(after first trying the email where they said call service)and asked whether >there was an approved lube procedure etc. > >Father IBM says it's EasyServ time. Ugh. I have been concerned as the >hinge is getting stiffer and noiser (sounds like the door to the haunted >house)and I fear what wear is going on inside. They are also going to look >at my mushy but functional left trackpoint button which is also not user >servicable. > >As this is my first time with service is there anything I should know about >the process? They did say to take the extra memory out. > Hmmm.... Hope you don't have them send it back to you. I need to get my keyboard replaced soon by EasyServe, which will be EasyServe #4 (total, # 3 for this machine). Because I have a defective keyboard with a broken trackpoint, the hinges are again wearing out. I can already see a crack developing, so this will be important to fix. So long as I can get my hands on a backup machine. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 14h 37m 32s 796ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 17:49:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA065882566; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:49:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03213; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:46:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03068; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03053; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15546; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:48:40 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:48:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 FD In-Reply-To: <199801100539.VAA08132@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Nice JPG Steve, for a video clip. Thanks. I like my gear. =) > What is the FRU number on it, though? The only label on my TP560 floppy drive has a bar code, and the number "K1142154176" on it which I suspect may just be a serial number. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 18:24:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070204668; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:24:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04533; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:23:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04355; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04342; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx08-16.teleport.com (ip-pdx09-21.teleport.com [206.163.124.23]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA23587 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:22:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:22:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801102322.PAA23587@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: 701 Hinge stiffness Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks all for advise. David, I hadn't thought about the hard disk (Duh!), so I'll remove everything and then list it as having everything -including the 32 meg memory chip and the 2 gig hard drive!;) Oh, and I'm sure I sent them my loaded Dock II too! Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 18:37:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072325457; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:37:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05393; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:32:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05214; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05156; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p14.hwts11.loop.net (p14.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.119]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA14557; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:22:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801102322.PAA14557@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 15:30:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 FD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:48:37 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Fri, 9 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Nice JPG Steve, for a video clip. > > Thanks. I like my gear. =) > >> What is the FRU number on it, though? > > The only label on my TP560 floppy drive has a bar code, and the number >"K1142154176" on it which I suspect may just be a serial number. > Yeah, probably nothing useful. If you can open it up, and see who it's made by, that'll work. I have one 701 drive without the enclosure, so if you want, I can give you all the numbers off of that, too. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 15m 40s 585ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 19:17:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077207829; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:17:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06837; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:11:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06689; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06677; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-19.d.enteract.com (x2-19.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.163]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA03308 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:11:42 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 FD Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:11:32 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34be0df5.29910427@mail.enteract.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:48:37 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > The only label on my TP560 floppy drive has a bar code, and the number >"K1142154176" on it which I suspect may just be a serial number. My 560's floppy has the FRU: 10H4056 and an IBM Part Number: 10H3980. HTH, epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 19:35:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079828931; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:35:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08074; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:30:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07896; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07884; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p16.hwts15.loop.net (p16.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.241]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA16428; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 16:21:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801110021.QAA16428@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "epbrown@enteract.com" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 98 16:29:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 FD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:11:32 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:48:37 -0800 (PST), you wrote: > >> The only label on my TP560 floppy drive has a bar code, and the number >>"K1142154176" on it which I suspect may just be a serial number. > My 560's floppy has the FRU: 10H4056 and an IBM Part Number: >10H3980. > HTH, > epbrown Okay, my label is getting faded, probably because of the ink or something, but I can make out this: IBM PART NUMBER : 10H3080 IBM FRU NUMBER : 10H4055 (I think, it's really faded) And I can't even see the barcode. Also, I hope the jpg of the 560's floppy on my website last evening was helpful to those that viewed it. I guess that's a good way to share information, rather than send it to everyone. And thanks again, Steve. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 14m 43s 367ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 19:38:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA080549080; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:38:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07706; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:27:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07550; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.sockets.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07536; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:27:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p222.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.32]) by mail.sockets.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA03857 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:18:41 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34B80F20.DA405B15@socket.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:15:28 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Hard Drive for sale X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199801102322.PAA23587@mail1.teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I posted info about the new, cheap floppy I bought for my 701 a couple of days ago. In addition, since the TP never had a HDD, I had to get one. I'm a real bargain hound, and I found such a good price, I bought two. If anyone is interested in a new, sealed Toshiba MK-1301MAV 1.35GB 2.5-inch slimline hard disk drive (see http://www.toshiba.com/taisdpd/hdd2712.htm ), please let me know. For the other 701 users on the list, I also have an extra 701 HDD caddy. Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 20:10:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084991054; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:10:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09307; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:05:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09195; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09183; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id TAA09942 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:00:17 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B81B58.291E@anet-dfw.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:07:36 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Me and my dawg gone Western Digital PCMCIA... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As those of you who follow this list probably know by now, I have this here Western Digital CU140 PCMCIA hard disk for my TP 360PE. I wonder if PCMCIA III could be used as a skeet?... Anyway, the only software I've ever been able to get to slightly recognize the drive is the Pheonix Card Manager (PCM) that apparently _came with_ the 360PE (I naturally don't have the original disks, and they're not on ibm.com). I have worked and worked with this drive, and surfed and surfed the web for information. Does anybody with any thinkpad out there (skip Win95, I'd be impressed to get it to work in DOS) have this same hard disk running under PCM+? Software: PCM+ v3.1 (I think) Drive: WD CU140 Caviar-de-har-har PCMCIA: 2.1 <- perhaps the WD will only work with PCMCIA 2.0? If so, how do I force PCM to run in 2.0? Control: PCM+ seems to think that I have a Richoh RF5C266/RF5C366 PCMCIA controler. Can anybody confirm if this is correct? Please: At the very least, could someone please post their PCM.INI file? I can't revert back to the default because I don't have the master disks! Thanks. A few folks have responded in the past but nothing I've heard has helped. I can load the drivers, reboot, see the drive in PCM+ (even with the right params), run PCMFDISK okay (reboot and it saves whatever partition information I put on the drive), but when I try to FORMAT, I get a track 0 error. I would normally think this is a dead drive, but it's brand new and what's more: after FORMAT fails, I can THEN do a DIR on the drive and see the files I had on there the last time I messed with it! There is some kind of driver problem, I think, or perhaps a memory conflict? (I've already tried booting plain vanilla DOS without any memory managers). Please help, or direct me to where I can find a cheap plastic gun...only need to use it once. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 20:12:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085151125; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:12:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09535; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:06:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09373; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09347; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA04974; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:06:25 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199801110106.BAA04974@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: Anyone know about second HDD adaptor? To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:06:25 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34B6B935.146A@worldnet.att.net> from "Bruce Markowitz" at Jan 9, 98 06:56:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have just obtained a second HDD adaptor for my 760ED. When I put on > old 340MB IBM HDD in a 750/755 caddy, it enables as Drive "D" and works > well. When I put in a "Simple Tech" Toshiba 2.1 GIG HDD in a > "compatible" caddy, it is not seen at all, although I normally use this > drive/caddy as my primary drive C in this machine. MUST I use an IBM > drive, do I need a different caddy, anyone got any ideas???? This is most likely an IDE master/slave/cableselect jumpering issue. When you use an HDD (or CD-ROM) in the 760E Ultrabay, the ThinkPad will configure it as the slave device on the primary IDE controller. Thus, in order to make an HDD work as either the primary drive (IDE master) or in the Ultrabay (IDE slave), you likely need to configure your Toshiba drive for "cable select," which means one of the other IDE lines tells the drive if it's a master or slave. Chances are your Toshiba is currently jumpered to be a master. BTW, the 760C/CD Ultrabay configures the installed device as the master on the secondary IDE controller, rather than as a slave on the primary controller. This difference is why you need an adapter card to use IDE devices inside a Dock I or Dock II with a 760E series machine. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 20:15:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085631358; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:15:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10093; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:09:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09924; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09898; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id TAA10083 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:04:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B81C4D.312F@anet-dfw.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:11:41 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: One more question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oh, I also have a question about the EZ Setup (F1 on bootup/CMOS setup). Under the startup icon, there's a list of hardware (FDD-1, HDD-1, Network, FDD-2, HDD-2, HDD-3, HDD-4, PCMCIA). I can sort of drag the icon to the top, but only in a particular order. Why is this, and what does this do for me anyway? I haven't been able to tell a difference when I change things. I dont' have the manuals (sigh) or I wouldn't have to ask all these silly questions. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 20:27:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087262075; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:27:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11036; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:21:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10646; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10629; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA16105; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:23:43 -0800 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 560 vs. 701 FD In-Reply-To: <199801102322.PAA14557@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Yeah, probably nothing useful. If you can open it up, and see who it's > made by, that'll work. I have one 701 drive without the enclosure, > so if you want, I can give you all the numbers off of that, too. The floppy drive that came with my TP560 snaps together somehow and looks like a real pain to open up so I'm not going to.. =) ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 20:29:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087612149; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:29:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11318; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:24:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:22:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10811; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10793; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl (slip129-37-134-9.dc.us.ibm.net [129.37.134.9]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA60756; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:22:29 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980110190020.0097e1b0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:00:20 -0500 To: Bryan Daum From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 701 Hinge stiffness Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801101751.JAA15603@mail1.teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:51 AM 1/10/98 -0800, you wrote: >As this is my first time with service is there anything I should know about >the process? They did say to take the extra memory out. > Don't send them your hard drive, battery or your PC Cards either. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 22:09:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA100658195; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:09:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13518; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:04:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13380; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13366; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-121.r10.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IS86ZZTNG290TGIT@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:03:34 EST Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:53:58 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: docking station for sale To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34B83446.63D3@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone, I was browsing and came across this docking station. THought someone might be interested. Linn Skipper P.S. If anyone gets this I would like to get a copy of the manual and any disks that come with it. ( since mine doesn't have any). I'll pay for postage and printing PC Notebook IBM Dock I Docking Station, $65/OBO, New Processor Unknown Processor Speed 0 MHz Memory 0 MB Hard Disk 0 MB Operating System None Screen Unknown Size - Unknown Screen Type Video RAM 0 K Modem None CD-ROM None Battery Unknown Battery Weight 8 lbs PCMCIA Slots None Warranty 1 year Options Stereo Speakers Docking Station Description Get more out of your Thinkpad by using a Docking Station. The Dock I station has 1 ISA slot, 1 Drive bay, built-in stereo speakers, and a port replicator. Will work will all Thinkpad 760,s, 755's, and 560's. Is brand new in IBM box with 1 year IBM warranty. IBM 4x CD-ROM also available for additional $80.00. Other products available email for details. Seller Info For sale by Dealer (313) 304-7841 [Day] (313) 304-7841 [Eve] sales@retailexpress.com Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 22:34:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104269673; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:34:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14468; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:30:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:29:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14355; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14342; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:29:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip129-37-41-184 (slip129-37-41-184.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.41.184]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA05998 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 03:29:31 GMT Message-Id: <34B83C85.44B8@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:29:09 -0800 From: Tom Brown Reply-To: tabrown@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Warp 4.0 installation on a ThinkPad 700 (monochrome) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an original ThinkPad 700 (9552-301) monochrome with 16MB RAM, the 25/50 MHz processor upgrade AND the 340MB hard drive upgrade. I had Warp 4.0 installed and running since 4.0 first came out, but I ran into some problems and decided to re-install. I now get either a trap 003 in IBMHDSK$ or a hang in the second phase of the installation, after the reboot and system configuration portions. Where is the best place to go to get this resolved? I have looked at a good part of your site and several IBM sites. Most problems described deal with newer systems. I would like to get this resolved for the least cost possible, as I am between jobs at present. Thanks in advance for any information that you can provide. -- Tom Brown tabrown@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 23:31:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111583109; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:31:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16027; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:29:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15800; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15786; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-26.d.enteract.com (x2-26.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.170]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id WAA14670 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:29:23 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Me and my dawg gone Western Digital PCMCIA... Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 04:29:07 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34b84985.2819394@mail.enteract.com> References: <34B81B58.291E@anet-dfw.com> In-Reply-To: <34B81B58.291E@anet-dfw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:07:36 -0600, you wrote: >Anyway, the only software I've ever been able to get to slightly >recognize the drive is the Pheonix Card Manager (PCM) that apparently >_came with_ the 360PE (I naturally don't have the original disks, and >they're not on ibm.com). I have worked and worked with this drive, and >surfed and surfed the web for information. Does anybody with any >thinkpad out there (skip Win95, I'd be impressed to get it to work in >DOS) have this same hard disk running under PCM+? > >Software: PCM+ v3.1 (I think) >Drive: WD CU140 Caviar-de-har-har >PCMCIA: 2.1 <- perhaps the WD will only work with PCMCIA 2.0? If so, > how do I force PCM to run in 2.0? >Control: PCM+ seems to think that I have a Richoh RF5C266/RF5C366 > PCMCIA controler. Can anybody confirm if this is correct? >Please: At the very least, could someone please post their PCM.INI > file? I can't revert back to the default because I don't > have the master disks! =20 > >Thanks. A few folks have responded in the past but nothing I've heard >has helped. I can load the drivers, reboot, see the drive in PCM+ (even >with the right params), run PCMFDISK okay (reboot and it saves whatever >partition information I put on the drive), but when I try to FORMAT, I >get a track 0 error. I would normally think this is a dead drive, but >it's brand new and what's more: after FORMAT fails, I can THEN do a DIR >on the drive and see the files I had on there the last time I messed >with it! There is some kind of driver problem, I think, or perhaps a >memory conflict? (I've already tried booting plain vanilla DOS without >any memory managers). =20 I seem to remember hearing of some troublesome WD drives, but what I recall hearing is that they only work in certain devices (maybe the HP Omnibook?). I suspect you won't get it to work in the 360. As for your second question re EZSetup. I think IBM shares it's setup software across platforms, and the PCMCIA option is for the PC 110 device, which runs from a type III drive. I've never gotten a reaction from it myself, and every unit I've seen boot to a pc card drive had drivers written in ROM specifically for this, which the laptops don't have. Just my opinion, which as most folks will tell you is pretty worthless :-) epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 10 23:58:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115564682; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:58:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17009; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:56:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16848; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16836; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:55:55 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Swartz, Charles" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , Poh Kian Hock , Sergiu Hart Cc: mikew@anet-dfw.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 20:55:54 -0800 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Many thanks, Paul -- I'll bet that's it. Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] > Sent: Friday, January 09, 1998 11:25 AM > To: Poh Kian Hock; Sergiu Hart > Cc: Swartz, Charles; mikew@anet-dfw.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen > > On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:21:31 +0200 (IST), Sergiu Hart wrote: > > > > >[] > > > >look what i found on the ibm web page. maybe it is the same with > >the 560? > > > >-------------------------------------------------------- > > > > LCD Screen Flicker > > ThinkPad 760 > > A problem has been found with the 40W AC Adapter that has > been > >shipping with some > > ThinkPad 760 models. The system of the problem shows as a > >Flickering LCD Screen when > > the battery is being charged - usually within the 30-50% > >region. > > This problem is fixed by replacing the 40W Adapter (FRU > p/n > >49G2196) with the 35W > > Adapter (FRU p/n 85G6701). > > All ThinkPad 760 models now ship with the 35W adapter as > >standard. > > You might want to call IBM and tell them you suspect your AC > adapter is causing the system to malfunction and ask for a > replacement. > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. > Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 28 Processes with 92 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 52m 15s 859ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 06:07:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169566829; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:07:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00909; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:04:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00756; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:04:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00744; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 06:04:04 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 86256589.003CE7F8 ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:05:15 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <86256589.003BA8FA.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 05:04:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Fwd: TrackPoint creep] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't think it's cellular RF activity, rather fluctuations in the battery (or internal circuit load capacities) voltage due to load changes when periphreals that turn on and off (e.g. CDPD transmitter, my old tp500 floppy drive when the battery was low). Kinda like how a lightbulb dims when a A/C compressor kicks in. A good way to test the RF theory is to disconnect the PC Card and try transmitting from a regular CDPD phone close to your thinkpad. The pcmcia circuitry is speced to supply a maximum current load, do you have docs on how much the CDPD card uses? If it comes close or exceeds it, other components in the system (e.g. like a trackpoint calibration reference voltage) suffer. Rich Chong From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 10:00:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194140813; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 10:00:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04569; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:58:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04432; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hermes.clara.net (root@hermes.clara.net [195.8.69.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04412; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from du-1430.claranet.co.uk (du-1430.claranet.co.uk [195.8.78.32]) by hermes.clara.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29662 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:58:05 GMT From: nickdixon@clara.net (Nick Dixon) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: suspend mode on 365x Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:59:11 GMT Message-Id: <34b8db91.333465@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, Another 365x question... When I put the computer into suspend mode and then press the function key, the thinkpad restarts in a smaller screen size, only filling 3/4 of the screen (640 x 480). Anything I can do fix this problem? At the moment I have reboot for it to return to 800 x 600. Thanks, Nick From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 12:17:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213679065; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:17:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07114; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:14:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:06:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06786; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (root@starbase.neosoft.com [206.109.7.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06774; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ed (digital-02-138.hou.neoworld.net [206.109.29.138]) by Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (8.8.8/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA09796 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:06:20 -0600 (CST) From: "Dan Mailman" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: 760ed Windows NT 4.0 mwave fax & telephone applications Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:04:35 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd1eb2$fe26ce90$2b0aa8c0@ed.AccessWare.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody been able to use the mwave modem to fax directly from windows NT 4.0 applications? what applications did you use? Ditto the ability to use the ThinkPad as a telephone, ala Focalpoint with Win95? Failing that, is there a PCMCIA card and associated software that can be used to provide these functionalities?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 12:38:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215500299; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:38:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08185; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:34:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08053; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom4.netcom.com (phr@netcom4.netcom.com [192.100.81.107]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08041; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom4.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA22384 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:34:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:34:34 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801111734.JAA22384@netcom4.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755cx won't stay suspended Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When I hit alt-f4 on my 755cx, it beeps and goes into suspend mode the way it should. But a while later, like 1/2 hour or so, it wakes up again (the disk starts spinning). It won't stay suspended. Any idea what is going on? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 15:46:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241731559; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:45:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12761; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:41:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12459; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom20.netcom.com (genepool@netcom20.netcom.com [192.100.81.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12426; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom20.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id MAA24471; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:41:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:41:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Michael Subject: Port replicator 46H4209 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34b8db91.333465@mail.clara.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There have been a couple of posts reporting some great deals on drives and docking stations. I am interested in the port repplicator referenced above. Does anyone know of any good deals available on these? TIA. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 15:51:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242301912; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:51:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12849; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:42:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12491; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12479; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA14726; Sun, 11 Jan 98 15:42:24 EST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 15:42:24 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801112042.AA14726@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: comment on TP770 battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The TP770 battery can fit in either the left or right bay. The right bay is larger so you have to put a piece of plastic crap called a battery adaptor. For those who need to know, this has its own IBM P/N, and I had a heck of a time trying to find out how to obtain it -- turns out there is no need, it is included free when you buy an extra battery. Still, it sure is a shame that they do not make a bigger battery that would fill the right hand bay, this would be very useful for travelling. I am seeing about 2 hours 45 mins on the batteries. I consider this pretty good since it is a loaded 770 (large display, 5 gig drive, 160 megs memory), and that is with fairly heavy hard disk use (and indeed I do not let the disk spin down, and that is with the processor on maximum speed). P.S. it would be *really* nice if they could manage to fit a full sized bay on the left, so that everything was interchangable, and you could put a floppy and a CD ROM if you did not need the battery, or three hard drives, or ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 16:34:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248134458; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:34:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14326; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:27:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14211; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14198; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from jmcghee.cyberramp.net (pm1-11.cyberramp.net [207.158.78.11]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/jkd-0109-2300-NR-RBL5) with SMTP id PAA01008; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:27:41 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34B9394B.4D23@cyberramp.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:27:39 -0600 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cx won't stay suspended References: <199801111734.JAA22384@netcom4.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, My 760 can be told to hibernate 30 min after being suspended. If your 755 was set to do this, it could be waking up to hibernate and failing. Jim Paul Rubin wrote: > > When I hit alt-f4 on my 755cx, it beeps and goes into suspend > mode the way it should. But a while later, like 1/2 hour or so, > it wakes up again (the disk starts spinning). It won't stay suspended. > Any idea what is going on? Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 17:06:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253246410; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:06:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15541; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:00:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15330; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15318; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA18641; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 11:57:45 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA01045; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:01:26 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801112201.MAA01045@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: 560 vs. 701 FD - enough already! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 12:01:25 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Why is this thread continuing? Randy - who owns both machines - has already assured us that the drives (thought not the cables) are interchangeable. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 17:27:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA255507667; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:27:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16449; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:24:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16319; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (phr@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16306; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 17:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA01407; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:24:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:24:23 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801112224.OAA01407@netcom5.netcom.com> To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net Subject: Re: 755cx won't stay suspended Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Interesting. I wonder how these settings work. I'll have to re-install the Thinkpad options and check. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 20:17:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278827828; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:17:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20320; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:08:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20180; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs04.infoave.net (pacs04.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20168; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-15.r14.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-8 #23426) with SMTP id <01IS9H8P1WFU90XGKT@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:07:42 EST Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 19:58:04 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Re: Port replicator 46H4209 To: Jim Michael Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34B96A9C.5A92@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This man has one for sale. I don't know which you have. Maybe he has what you want. http://members.aol.com/Russe49085/forsales.htm Skipper Jim Michael wrote: > > There have been a couple of posts reporting some great deals on drives > and docking stations. I am interested in the port repplicator referenced > above. Does anyone know of any good deals available on these? TIA. > > Cheers, > > Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 21:29:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA287802154; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:29:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22528; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:24:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22416; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22402; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA23260; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:15:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801120215.SAA23260@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "mikew@anet-dfw.com" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 18:23:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Me and my dawg gone Western Digital PCMCIA... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Software: PCM+ v3.1 (I think) >Drive: WD CU140 Caviar-de-har-har >PCMCIA: 2.1 <- perhaps the WD will only work with PCMCIA 2.0? If so, > how do I force PCM to run in 2.0? >Control: PCM+ seems to think that I have a Richoh RF5C266/RF5C366 > PCMCIA controler. Can anybody confirm if this is correct? This is the correct chipset, at least in my 355C. That should also be for the 360xx since they're VERY similiar. >Please: At the very least, could someone please post their PCM.INI > file? I can't revert back to the default because I don't > have the master disks! > >Thanks. A few folks have responded in the past but nothing I've heard >has helped. I can load the drivers, reboot, see the drive in PCM+ (even >with the right params), run PCMFDISK okay (reboot and it saves whatever >partition information I put on the drive), but when I try to FORMAT, I >get a track 0 error. I would normally think this is a dead drive, but >it's brand new and what's more: after FORMAT fails, I can THEN do a DIR >on the drive and see the files I had on there the last time I messed >with it! There is some kind of driver problem, I think, or perhaps a >memory conflict? (I've already tried booting plain vanilla DOS without >any memory managers). > >Please help, or direct me to where I can find a cheap plastic gun...only >need to use it once. > Heh heh. Have you called Western Analog yet? I hear they have a bad reputation for their drives anyways (at least their video chipsets are nice, though). :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 11m 57s 171ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 21:33:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288582424; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23025; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:29:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22785; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22747; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA23413; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:20:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801120220.SAA23413@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tabrown@ibm.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 18:28:19 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp 4.0 installation on a ThinkPad 700 (monochrome) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 19:29:09 -0800, Tom Brown wrote: >I have an original ThinkPad 700 (9552-301) monochrome with 16MB RAM, the >25/50 MHz processor upgrade AND the 340MB hard drive upgrade. I had Warp >4.0 installed and running since 4.0 first came out, but I ran into some >problems and decided to re-install. I now get either a trap 003 in >IBMHDSK$ or a hang in the second phase of the installation, after the >reboot and system configuration portions. > >Where is the best place to go to get this resolved? I have looked at a >good part of your site and several IBM sites. Most problems described >deal with newer systems. I would like to get this resolved for the least >cost possible, as I am between jobs at present. > >Thanks in advance for any information that you can provide. > Have you tried: http://www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 17m 7s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 21:36:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288792583; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:36:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23369; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:34:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23031; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23008; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:31:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA23477; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:22:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801120222.SAA23477@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Nick Dixon" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 18:30:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: suspend mode on 365x Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 14:59:11 GMT, Nick Dixon wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Another 365x question... > >When I put the computer into suspend mode and then press the function >key, the thinkpad restarts in a smaller screen size, only filling 3/4 >of the screen (640 x 480). Anything I can do fix this problem? >At the moment I have reboot for it to return to 800 x 600. > Which OS? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 19m 23s 492ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 11 21:37:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288972672; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:37:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23640; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23253; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23223; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 21:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p10.hwts09.loop.net (p10.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.55]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA23526; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:24:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801120224.SAA23526@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 18:32:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755cx won't stay suspended Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 11 Jan 1998 09:34:34 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: >When I hit alt-f4 on my 755cx, it beeps and goes into suspend >mode the way it should. But a while later, like 1/2 hour or so, >it wakes up again (the disk starts spinning). It won't stay suspended. >Any idea what is going on? Thanks. > Is this with the cover open or closed? It could maybe be a switch problem. I've had my 701 start up in my targus case once, and I hear the battery dead noise (I didn't even hear it turn on, though). That made me mad, too. Sometimes the switch will fail, though. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 21m 0s 484ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 07:51:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068539469; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:51:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16913; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:50:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:46:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16426; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:46:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21006; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (slip-32-100-144-37.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.144.37]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA52342; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:09:07 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: , Subject: Re: Anyone know about second HDD adaptor? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:08:43 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd1d6c$ad6087e0$25906420@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Since their is no industry standard on Master/Slave jumpering. When you put the non-IBM drive in the slave position, it won't work properly. You probably end up with two masters in your machine at one time. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:00 PM Subject: Anyone know about second HDD adaptor? >I have just obtained a second HDD adaptor for my 760ED. When I put on >old 340MB IBM HDD in a 750/755 caddy, it enables as Drive "D" and works >well. When I put in a "Simple Tech" Toshiba 2.1 GIG HDD in a >"compatible" caddy, it is not seen at all, although I normally use this >drive/caddy as my primary drive C in this machine. MUST I use an IBM >drive, do I need a different caddy, anyone got any ideas???? >-- >Reply to > >scosgt@worldnet.att.net > >or > >trenchgun@aol.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 07:51:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068549470; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:51:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16915; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:46:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16387; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20955; Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:10:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (slip-32-100-144-37.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.144.37]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA33906; Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:10:33 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: , "Michael Fukatsu" Subject: Re: Which other models can use a 755CD's AC adapter? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 18:10:15 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd1d6c$e3fca220$25906420@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anything from a TP 355/360/750/755/760. I believe the 765 requires more wattage, but the connector is the same. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fukatsu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:39 PM Subject: Which other models can use a 755CD's AC adapter? >Like the subject says, I'm trying to find out which other thinkpads can use >the AC adapter that came with my 755CD. > >Thanks, >-Mike > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 08:15:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070710938; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:15:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18370; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:11:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18101; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:11:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13422; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 15:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) id UAA002.58; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:41:03 GMT Message-Id: <199801112041.UAA002.58@bradnet> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 98 20:41:01 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Mwave modem in UK To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there any specific initialisation string required when using an Mwave modem in the UK? I've just installed the Mwave software for OS/2 in my 760c and can view my settings using TE/2, but when I try dialing using ATDT123456 I get ERROR from the modem. Does mean that my modem cable is the wrong sort, or the modem is not initialised correctly, or the software isn't correctly installed, or any/all of the above? The country configuration has been set to UK, BTW... If anyone in the UK has this working, can you let me know what AT&V displays? Cheers, -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 08:35:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073362157; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:35:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19361; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:30:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19151; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19139; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:28:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id FAA13782; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from hi-av1.cadence.com(158.140.128.31) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma884611688.013780; Mon, 12 Jan 98 05:28:08 -0800 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.5/8.7.3) id FAA08581; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:28:07 -0800 (PST) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199801121328.FAA08581@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: 755cx won't stay suspended To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:28:07 -0800 (PST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801111734.JAA22384@netcom4.netcom.com> from "Paul Rubin" at Jan 11, 98 09:34:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone mentioned the option to wake up for hibernate. Another effect I have noticed is that if the phone line is conencted with the option set to wake up on incoming call, it will also wake up if I make an outgoing call on that line. -Don Perley > > When I hit alt-f4 on my 755cx, it beeps and goes into suspend > mode the way it should. But a while later, like 1/2 hour or so, > it wakes up again (the disk starts spinning). It won't stay suspended. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 08:37:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073492267; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:37:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19935; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:37:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:34:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19627; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (phr@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19615; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:34:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id FAA01778; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:34:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 05:34:39 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801121334.FAA01778@netcom11.netcom.com> To: perley@cadence.com, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: 755cx won't stay suspended Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks. It's definitely not the incoming/outgoing call thing, since the modem isn't connected. It may be waking up to hibernate and having the hibernation fail, as someone suggested. I don't have a hibernation file or partition or whatever else you need to set up. Anyone know how to turn off the 30-minute-hibernation-wakeup? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 09:25:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079055107; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 09:25:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20209; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:36:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19701; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:36:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19680; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 08:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01ISA36KBHW0HSVR6R@Arizona.EDU>; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:35:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA12370; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:35:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:35:35 +0000 From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: Which other models can use a 755CD's AC adapter? In-Reply-To: <01bd1d6c$e3fca220$25906420@laptop> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu To: Tom Franklin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980112063535.01e765b0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:10 PM 1/9/98 -0800, you wrote: >Anything from a TP 355/360/750/755/760. I believe the 765 requires more >wattage, but the connector is the same. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Fukatsu >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Friday, January 09, 1998 4:39 PM >Subject: Which other models can use a 755CD's AC adapter? > > >>Like the subject says, I'm trying to find out which other thinkpads can use >>the AC adapter that came with my 755CD. >> >>Thanks, >>-Mike >> >> > > > My 765D shipped with a 56W adapter. They have the same 4 pin connector which goes into the ThinkPad. There are several different part numbers: the one shipped with my notebook has a 2 prong power cord and a spare I ordered to keep at home shipped with a 3 prong (grounded) power cord. Stuart Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 10:21:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA087068479; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:21:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27795; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:13:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27419; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27407; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from caesar.turi.com (subb3@slip129-37-44-144.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.44.144]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA92902 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:13:13 GMT Received: (from subb3@localhost) by caesar.turi.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02072 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:19:15 -0500 From: Subba Rao Message-Id: <199801121519.KAA02072@caesar.turi.com> Subject: XF86Config for 760EL To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:19:15 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am searching for an XF86Config for a 760EL. I used various config files from different sources ( Linux on Thinkpad pages ), but could not get them to work. I have XFree 3.3.1 on Linux 2.0.30. If anyone has a working XF86Config, please send me a copy of it. Thank you in advance. SubbaRao -- subb3@ibm.net --------------------------------------------------------- The more that sensual men indulge in the sensory objects, the more their weakness for them grows. - Laws of Manu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 11:30:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103282636; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:30:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02691; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02078; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02039; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts2port60.port.net (ts2port60.port.net [207.38.248.188]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25637 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:02 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ECP on 560 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 11:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <34bd41f8.11592428@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Should I configure the parallel port on my TP 560 as an "ECP", or is it safer to leave it as "bi-directional"? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 14:20:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159512824; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:20:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11739; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 14:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11274; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (root@amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.111.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11253; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from sinai.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@sinai.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.113.201]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13840 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by sinai.ccs.neu.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA00572; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:58:18 -0500 (EST) To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen References: <01BD1B0F.02F1C3A0@pc00001> <34B28F3A.6564@anet-dfw.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 12 Jan 1998 13:58:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: Mike Welch's message of "Tue, 06 Jan 1998 14:08:26 -0600" Message-Id: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Howdy- It's interesting that this topic should come up because a few months ago I asked the tech who works for me about the exact same thing. Here's a paraphrase of what he told me: Under lower light conditions, especially, the refresh of a LCD is more noticeable (there is less visual noise). This combines with small drops in amperage (from anything happening on the machine) which can cause an almost imperceptible dimming of the screen. The drop in amperage comes from a battery's ability to supply only so much (and even when charging, most laptops pull current pass through their battery). The two events happening together cause this very common phenomenon. Hope this helps (make you feel better at least). I would guess any severe flickering you see would be cause for a trip to the shop. Peace, dNb From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 16:29:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197200598; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:29:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19349; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:14:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18930; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:14:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18851; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA29314; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980112131304.00804450@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:13:04 -0800 To: linux-newbie@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Off-topic - Okidata LED printers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any experience with these printers? Is the quality the same as a laser printer as they claim? Does anyone have any experience using these printers with linux? (Some of them support PCL5, so it should be no problem for ghostscript, right?) Thannks, -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 17:49:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213645374; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:49:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25010; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:43:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24877; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24846; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:43:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA02949 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:43:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:51:08 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F010177097@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP All: part-compatabilty matrix Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 16:40:33 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, There have been a few questions in the last few days about which parts fit in which TPs. Has anybody seen a list of which parts are shared among the various models? For example, the 755C and the 701C apparently use the same Sharp 10.4" TFT. Had I known that when I was looking for a 701 screen, I would probably have found more sources and maybe a better price, but only learned it when the screen arrived listed on the invoice as a 755C LCD Assembly. There is no way that I know of that one can tell from IBM part numbers whether parts are interchangeable. I'd think it would be very helpful to see a compatability matrix. Any thoughts? Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 19:07:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226150021; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:07:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27978; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27837; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27824; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA25503; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:03:41 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: richard Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ECP on 560 In-Reply-To: <34bd41f8.11592428@mail.interport.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, richard wrote: > Should I configure the parallel port on my TP 560 as an "ECP", or is it > safer to leave it as "bi-directional"? ECP is faster, bi-directional is safer. Use whatever works best with your peripherals. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 20:03:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232543389; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:03:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00114; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:52:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29929; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29917; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id SAA19254 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:47:05 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34BABB57.7C39@anet-dfw.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:57 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP All: part-compatabilty matrix References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F010177097@ECOEXCHG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lewis, You're the only one (well, maybe you and Paul) that's shown any real interest in trying to put together a sort of compatibility matrix...so far. I don't know how many people receive this mailing list...seems like there's only a few that chat frequently. When I get my repair manual volume II in, I'll see if it reveals any such information. Everything that comes through like that, though, I'm saving in a notekeeper. I think all of us would benefit from it... Lewis Mills wrote: > > Hi, > There have been a few questions in the last few days about which parts fit > in which TPs. Has anybody seen a list of which parts are shared among the > various models? For example, the 755C and the 701C apparently use the same > Sharp 10.4" TFT. Had I known that when I was looking for a 701 screen, I > would probably have found more sources and maybe a better price, but only > learned it when the screen arrived listed on the invoice as a 755C LCD > Assembly. There is no way that I know of that one can tell from IBM part > numbers whether parts are interchangeable. I'd think it would be very > helpful to see a compatability matrix. Any thoughts? > Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:00:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA240326812; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:00:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02927; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:52:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02713; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:52:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02694; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts03.loop.net (p25.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA02980; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:43:11 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801130143.RAA02980@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 17:51:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 : Very faint flickering of Screen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 12 Jan 1998 13:58:18 -0500, David N. Blank-Edelman wrote: >Howdy- > It's interesting that this topic should come up because a few months > ago I asked the tech who works for me about the exact same > thing. Here's a paraphrase of what he told me: > > Under lower light conditions, especially, the refresh of a LCD is > more noticeable (there is less visual noise). This combines with > small drops in amperage (from anything happening on the machine) which > can cause an almost imperceptible dimming of the screen. The drop in > amperage comes from a battery's ability to supply only so much (and > even when charging, most laptops pull current pass through their > battery). The two events happening together cause this very common > phenomenon. > > Hope this helps (make you feel better at least). I would guess any > severe flickering you see would be cause for a trip to the shop. I think this sounds like a very logical explanation to me, being very much on the technical side. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 102 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 40m 0s 31ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:04:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA240797097; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:04:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02956; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:53:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02817; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02797; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts03.loop.net (p25.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA03010 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:43:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:43:58 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <199801130143.RAA03010@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: <199801130143.RAA03010@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "mikew@anet-dfw.com" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 17:49:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP All: part-compatabilty matrix Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:54:57 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >Lewis, > >You're the only one (well, maybe you and Paul) that's shown any real >interest in trying to put together a sort of compatibility matrix Well, sort of on this end. Fortunately, I can remember most of what is compatible, or judge by examining it, but even a chart would simplify things. ...so >far. I don't know how many people receive this mailing list...seems >like there's only a few that chat frequently. > >When I get my repair manual volume II in, I'll see if it reveals any >such information. Everything that comes through like that, though, I'm >saving in a notekeeper. I think all of us would benefit from it... > Well, if anyone wants to make a chart, do it in HTML, not something like M$-Word, or something that we OS/2 and Linux users don't have. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 102 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 38m 17s 0ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:20:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242908004; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:20:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04261; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:14:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04163; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04148; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts1-rgport50.port.net (usrts1-rgport50.port.net [207.237.110.50]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA11389; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:13:10 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Steve Parker Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ECP on 560 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:13:11 -0500 Message-Id: <34bbcd45.15095745@mail.interport.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:03:39 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, richard wrote: > >> Should I configure the parallel port on my TP 560 as an "ECP", or is it >> safer to leave it as "bi-directional"? > > ECP is faster, bi-directional is safer. Use whatever works best with >your peripherals. How is bi-directional safer? More compatible with peripherals? Less likely to provoke system crashes? Something else? I'm using win95, btw. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:43:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA246309390; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:43:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05555; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:37:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:36:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05434; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05422; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA26049; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:40:19 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: richard Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ECP on 560 In-Reply-To: <34bbcd45.15095745@mail.interport.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, richard wrote: > How is bi-directional safer? More compatible with peripherals? Basically. It is almost the lowest common denominator for parallel port transfer modes. SPP is the safest, and also the slowest. > Less likely to provoke system crashes? Something else? Some peripherals will not get along with the faster modes. Try the fast settings and if it works for you leave it that way. Use the fastest mode that all your peripherals support. I can't tell you which is best for you. Try the fastest mode and if it everything works leave it that way. If it doesn't work back it down to the next slower mode and try it again. Almost everything should work in SPP mode if you are paranoid and don't need speed. I use ECP mode on my TP560-120 without any problems, but I also don't hook much up to the parallel port besides an external IDE<->parallel adapter. I print through my network. FWIW I have an ancient Epson ES-300C scanner that will not work on many parallel ports. It refused to work with the port on my last motherboard, or with a dedicated fancy dual parallel port card. It does work fine with a plain parallel port adapter made in '82 or so. I now just run it off a SCSI adapter, but it is a good example of parallel port compatibility quirks. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:48:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA246899716; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:48:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06176; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06031; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06002; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA26075; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:46:28 -0800 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:46:28 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ECP on 560 In-Reply-To: <199801130145.RAA03103@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > ECP is faster, bi-directional is safer. Use whatever works best with > >your peripherals. > Ahhh, so that's the primary difference between EPP and ECP. The best answers are either "read the docs for everything you have and pick the fastest mode everything supports" or "try it and see what happens." It's not as if trying the faster modes will hurt anything. > But SPP is regular parallel, right? Yup. Standard Parallel Port. It the lowest and slowest and most compatible of them all. I get a little over 100K/sec with my external IDE<->parallel drive using SPP mode and over 800K/sec using ECP. SPP runs it fine, but a 1x CD-ROM can out-run it. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:52:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA247749926; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:52:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03362; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:55:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03207; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03118; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts03.loop.net (p25.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA03103; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:45:50 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801130145.RAA03103@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 17:53:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ECP on 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:03:39 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, richard wrote: > >> Should I configure the parallel port on my TP 560 as an "ECP", or is it >> safer to leave it as "bi-directional"? > > ECP is faster, bi-directional is safer. Use whatever works best with >your peripherals. > Ahhh, so that's the primary difference between EPP and ECP. But SPP is regular parallel, right? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 102 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 42m 38s 578ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 21:52:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA247879963; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:52:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06748; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:47:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06670; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06650; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts06.loop.net (p03.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.198]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA05170; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 18:38:00 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801130238.SAA05170@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 98 18:45:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ECP on 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu n Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:46:28 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> > ECP is faster, bi-directional is safer. Use whatever works best with >> >your peripherals. >> Ahhh, so that's the primary difference between EPP and ECP. > > The best answers are either "read the docs for everything you have and >pick the fastest mode everything supports" or "try it and see what >happens." It's not as if trying the faster modes will hurt anything. Well, I only use it currently for my portable printer, and for ULing/DLing files to other computers from OS/2's Boot from Drive A: for diagnostics, and EPP works for me. > >> But SPP is regular parallel, right? > > Yup. Standard Parallel Port. It the lowest and slowest and most >compatible of them all. I get a little over 100K/sec with my external >IDE<->parallel drive using SPP mode and over 800K/sec using ECP. SPP runs >it fine, but a 1x CD-ROM can out-run it. Heh heh. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 32 Processes with 102 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 0h 34m 50s 867ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 22:38:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254482727; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:38:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09207; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:33:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:32:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09005; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:32:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPSYS03 (upimssmtpsys03.email.msn.com [207.68.152.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08976; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 - 207.68.143.159 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:31:54 -0800 Received: from larsel - 153.36.13.93 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:31:51 -0800 From: "LPL" <71420666@email.msn.com> To: , Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:21:43 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-Id: <095935131030d18UPIMSSMTPUSR03@email.msn.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu That's right. The drives are interchangeable, the cables aren't. -----Original Message----- From: epbrown To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, January 10, 1998 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [TP:All] cheap external floppies On Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:52:33 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >> Paul, how about the 701 vs 560? >>> I have no idea. Never seen a 560 drive. > > I just sent Paul a 29K shot of the connector on my TP560's floppy drive. >Perhaps he will be kind enough to tell us if they at least look the same. The drive should work. I've had the 701, and currently have a 510 and 560. All of the drives have been compatible with each other (I use them interchangeably), though each has had to use it's own cable. The connection to the drive itself is always the same, however. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 23:56:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265377388; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:56:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12005; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:50:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11915; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11901; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17937 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:50:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA14991; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:50:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:50:19 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP All: part-compatabilty matrix In-Reply-To: <34BABB57.7C39@anet-dfw.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Here is a web place to start: http://www.pc.ibm.com:80/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/tpvol2/5.10.5 This is a common parts lists for some 360s 355s. On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, Mike Welch wrote: > Lewis, > > You're the only one (well, maybe you and Paul) that's shown any real > interest in trying to put together a sort of compatibility matrix...so > far. I don't know how many people receive this mailing list...seems > like there's only a few that chat frequently. > > When I get my repair manual volume II in, I'll see if it reveals any > such information. Everything that comes through like that, though, I'm > saving in a notekeeper. I think all of us would benefit from it... > > Lewis Mills wrote: > > > > Hi, > > There have been a few questions in the last few days about which parts fit > > in which TPs. Has anybody seen a list of which parts are shared among the > > various models? For example, the 755C and the 701C apparently use the same > > Sharp 10.4" TFT. Had I known that when I was looking for a 701 screen, I > > would probably have found more sources and maybe a better price, but only > > learned it when the screen arrived listed on the invoice as a 755C LCD > > Assembly. There is no way that I know of that one can tell from IBM part > > numbers whether parts are interchangeable. I'd think it would be very > > helpful to see a compatability matrix. Any thoughts? > > Lewis > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 12 23:59:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA265687575; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:59:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12301; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:53:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12226; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12211; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 8625658B.001AF724 ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:54:32 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: rpritz@interport.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8625658B.00165A25.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:53:31 -0500 Subject: Re: ECP on 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ECP uses a DMA channel and some external parallel-to-CD (Backpack) or parallel-to-SCSI (Trantor) adapter drivers don't work with it. EPP is fine with them (although EPP isn't an option on the 560 :-( Many printer drivers (notably HP) have enhanced reporting capabilities with bidirectional ports (vs SPP). Rich rpritz@interport.net on 01/12/98 08:13:11 PM To: sparker@torgo.punk.net cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (bcc: Rich Chong/SHARE Inc) Subject: Re: ECP on 560 On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 17:03:39 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, richard wrote: > >> Should I configure the parallel port on my TP 560 as an "ECP", or is it >> safer to leave it as "bi-directional"? > > ECP is faster, bi-directional is safer. Use whatever works best with >your peripherals. How is bi-directional safer? More compatible with peripherals? Less likely to provoke system crashes? Something else? I'm using win95, btw. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 00:33:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA270489632; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:33:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14073; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:28:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13977; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (ns0.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13964; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 00:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA28610 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:27:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA17538; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:27:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 21:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750/755 Thinkpad 810 HD In-Reply-To: <69djo9$nn2$1@news.4d.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Anyone know if a drive pulled from a 750/755 will work in a TP 360 CSE? Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 01:25:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278792709; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:25:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15753; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:19:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15602; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15588; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 01:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (slip-32-100-143-244.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.143.244]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA27954; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:18:57 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Patrick West" , Subject: Re: 750/755 Thinkpad 810 HD Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:18:30 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd1ff3$732bb480$f48f6420@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Should work just fine. It might be a good idea to update the BIOS on the TP360 before you try it though. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, January 12, 1998 9:29 PM Subject: Re: 750/755 Thinkpad 810 HD >Folks, > >Anyone know if a drive pulled from a 750/755 will work in a TP 360 CSE? > > > > >Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 05:00:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004835619; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:00:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22814; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:54:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22742; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dutlru6.lr.tudelft.nl (dutlru6.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.164.175]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22730; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from lr.tudelft.nl (rune@dutlrun.lr.tudelft.nl [130.161.165.178]) by dutlru6.lr.tudelft.nl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16254 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:54:48 +0100 Sender: Rune.Floberghagen@lr.tudelft.nl Message-Id: <34BB3B6F.1D64B324@lr.tudelft.nl> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:01:19 +0100 From: Rune Floberghagen Organization: Delft Institute for Earth-Oriented Space Research (DEOS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Having purchased a ThinkPad 380 ED I am now looking for a high-quality PCMCIA modem for use with a standard telephone line (cellular use not required). My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at around 200 USD. Anyone with recommendations for what (not) to buy??? Many thanks, Rune -- ________________________________________________ R u n e F L O B E R G H A G E N Delft Institute for Earth-Oriented Space Research (DEOS) mailto:Rune.Floberghagen@lr.tudelft.nl http://deos.lr.tudelft.nl/~rune From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 05:21:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006786888; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:21:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23966; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:14:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23414; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23401; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts14.loop.net (p00.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.195]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA22498; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:05:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801131005.CAA22498@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Subba Rao" , "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 02:13:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mouse setup on Slackware Linux Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:35:56 +0000 (WAT), Subba Rao wrote: >I have installed Slackware Linux on my Thinkpad. During the >setup process, I set /dev/ttyS0 as /dev/mouse. I changed the >mouse to different devices but can't get the mouse to work. > >I don't have my X working yet, but gpm should show the cursor >on the console. What am I missing for the mouse setup? > >Any advice or pointers appreciated. > >Thank you in advance. > >SubbaRao > >ps - My system is 760EL. Have you tried /dev/psmouse yet? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 11m 28s 101ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 05:23:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA007497036; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:23:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24864; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:17:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24172; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24046; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 05:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts14.loop.net (p00.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.195]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA22535; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 02:07:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801131007.CAA22535@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , "Tom Franklin" , "Tom Franklin" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 02:15:32 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 750/755 Thinkpad 810 HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:18:30 -0800, Tom Franklin wrote: >Should work just fine. It might be a good idea to update the BIOS on the >TP360 before you try it though. > Actually, this shouldn't be nessecary unless the drive is larger than 540MB. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 13m 28s 984ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 06:29:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA013290960; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:29:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22069; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:36:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21707; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21695; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from saint.turi.com (subb3@slip166-72-135-77.mi.us.ibm.net [166.72.135.77]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA36656 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:36:22 GMT Received: (from subb3@localhost) by saint.turi.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) id EAA07114 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:35:57 GMT From: Subba Rao Message-Id: <199801130435.EAA07114@saint.turi.com> Subject: Mouse setup on Slackware Linux To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:35:56 +0000 (WAT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have installed Slackware Linux on my Thinkpad. During the setup process, I set /dev/ttyS0 as /dev/mouse. I changed the mouse to different devices but can't get the mouse to work. I don't have my X working yet, but gpm should show the cursor on the console. What am I missing for the mouse setup? Any advice or pointers appreciated. Thank you in advance. SubbaRao ps - My system is 760EL. -- subb3@ibm.net --------------------------------------------------------- The more that sensual men indulge in the sensory objects, the more their weakness for them grows. - Laws of Manu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 06:44:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA014781865; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:44:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22073; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:36:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21750; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:36:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21727; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 04:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2000338; 13 Jan 98 9:16 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:05:10 +0000 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: Mwave modem in UK In-Reply-To: <199801112041.UAA002.58@bradnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John I use the Mwave modem in a 760CD, albeit under Win95. The only time I get the ERROR message is when the modem doesn't get a dial tone. Once it was a fault in the cable from modem to telephone point which required new cable under warranty. Otherwise just replugging the cable has worked. >Is there any specific initialisation string required when using an >Mwave modem in the UK? I don't think so but I connect to my ISP at 33.6 using AT&F&D3&N0\\N5\\Q3S28=22\r >I've just installed the Mwave software for OS/2 in my 760c and can >view my settings using TE/2, but when I try dialing using > >ATDT123456 > >I get ERROR from the modem. > >Does mean that my modem cable is the wrong sort, or the modem is not >initialised correctly, or the software isn't correctly installed, or >any/all of the above? > >The country configuration has been set to UK, BTW... > >If anyone in the UK has this working, can you let me know what > >AT&V > >displays? > -- Greg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 09:07:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029510428; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:07:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05162; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:59:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04852; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:59:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (sunset.ma.huji.ac.il [132.64.32.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04824; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 08:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (hart@localhost) by sunset.ma.huji.ac.il (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id MAA28108 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:43:26 +0200 (IST) From: Sergiu Hart X-Sender: hart@sunset.ma.huji.ac.il To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560 -- extend warranty? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [] my one year warranty on the 560 ends this month. did anyone extend it? how much it costs? is it international, or only local as i am being told by ibm/usa ? bye, --sergiu-- -------------------------------------- http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart -------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 12:42:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060003349; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:42:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16070; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:24:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15924; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15893; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:24:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA24761; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:23:22 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980113092309.00697500@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 09:23:09 -0800 To: linux-newbie@vger.rutgers.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: Off-topic - Okidata LED printers In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980112131304.00804450@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for all the responses, it looks like I'll pass on this printer. The majority seem to think the print quality is OK, but more like 300dpi rather than 600dpi. Also there seems to be a problem with the paper path. Thanks again, -Mike At 01:13 PM 1/12/98 -0800, Michael Fukatsu wrote: >Does anyone have any experience with these printers? Is the quality the >same as a laser printer as they claim? Does anyone have any experience >using these printers with linux? (Some of them support PCL5, so it should >be no problem for ghostscript, right?) > >Thannks, >-Mike > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 16:29:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095776953; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:29:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26686; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:18:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26282; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26229; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.12] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.232) with smtp for id ; Tue, 13 Jan 98 15:17:57 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:17:46 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Rune Floberghagen Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:01:19 +0100  My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at  around 200 USD. Check out some of the auction sites. I recently purchased a new Hayes Optima 56KFlex PC Card modem in shrink-wrapped retail package for $120. I'm very happy with it. It was offered on haggle.com; I was the sole bidder. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 01/13/98, 15:17:43 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 16:41:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097817685; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:41:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27534; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27427; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27413; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 16:31:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA28321 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:32:28 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:39:56 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F01017709F@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:29:25 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu They have been selling for $85-95 at the ebay auction. Check http://cayman.ebay.com/aw/listings/list/category177/index.html Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Mark O. Davis [SMTP:mdavis1@airmail.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 3:24 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? ** Reply to note from Rune Floberghagen Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:01:19 +0100  My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at  around 200 USD. Check out some of the auction sites. I recently purchased a new Hayes Optima 56KFlex PC Card modem in shrink-wrapped retail package for $120. I'm very happy with it. It was offered on haggle.com; I was the sole bidder. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 01/13/98, 15:17:43 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 18:21:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA116033682; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:21:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02280; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:18:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:16:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02081; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02067; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:16:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-32-100-79-120 (slip-32-100-79-120.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.120]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA48904; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:16:26 GMT Message-Id: <34BBD1F5.798D@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:33 -0500 From: PierreJovanovic Reply-To: amon14@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: mdavis1@airmail.net Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 1) verify your ISP first. Is he 56 Flex or 56 x2 (ibmNet is X2 for instance) 2) Do not get any PCMCIA card which needs a proprietary RJ11 cord like the Hayes 56 K Flex Accura (if you losse the telephone cord, you are in trouble) 3) The best: X2: USR 56 (with the jack) (flex i don't know) Pierre http://www.malibubrain.com Mark O. Davis wrote: > > ** Reply to note from Rune Floberghagen Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:01:19 +0100 > >  My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at >  around 200 USD. > > Check out some of the auction sites. I recently purchased a new Hayes Optima > 56KFlex PC Card modem in shrink-wrapped retail package for $120. I'm very > happy with it. It was offered on haggle.com; I was the sole bidder. > > Mark in San Angelo > mdavis1@airmail.net > 01/13/98, 15:17:43 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 13 19:38:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128488286; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:38:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05056; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:35:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04933; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04921; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-33.d.enteract.com (x2-33.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.177]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA18051 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:35:14 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:35:08 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34c0f487.3349655@mail.enteract.com> References: <34BB3B6F.1D64B324@lr.tudelft.nl> In-Reply-To: <34BB3B6F.1D64B324@lr.tudelft.nl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 13 Jan 1998 11:01:19 +0100, you wrote: >Having purchased a ThinkPad 380 ED I am now looking for a high-quality >PCMCIA modem for use with a standard telephone line (cellular use not >required). My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at > >around 200 USD. > >Anyone with recommendations for what (not) to buy??? I was in this situation a couple of weeks ago. You don't mention which standard you need (K56Flex or X2), but as my ISP uses both I had free range. The only 56k modems I found under $200 were the off-brands using K56Flex - mostly I saw Eiger Labs and SimpleTech modems, with the Eiger throwing in a free Ethernet card for about $180USD total. For quality modems, I like the Xjack models from USR/3Com/Megahertz and settled on the XJ1560. If I wouldn't have minded a dongle-based modem, I'd probably have gone with the TDK or Practical Peripherals modems, both of which I've had good luck with. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 01:23:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180598997; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:23:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15612; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:20:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15478; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15466; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (port26-quit.netpathway.com [208.137.139.41]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24436 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:20:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199801140620.AAA24436@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Thinkpad 770 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:18:35 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, due to an excellent deal that has come along on a new 770 with 14.1" display (model 9549-1AU), I may be selling my one year old 760ED. I seem to remember that a few of the members on this list have a 770, and I was wondering what their experiences have been with this machine. I have read all of the reviews of it on different web sites, but I would like to hear >from someone that has used one for a while. I guess these are dumb questions since I am probably going to purchase the unit anyway, but I still haven't forked the money over yet so its not too late to change my mind. BTW, if anyone may be interested in a year old mint condition 760ED with 64MB RAM (model 9546-U3A) then please e-mail me and I will send you all of the specs as well as the extras that I will throw in (SelectaDock base model, a used once Dock I, 1.08 GB spare hard drive). Thanks- Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 01:30:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181999399; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:29:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16096; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:28:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16013; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16000; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:28:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id BAA12013; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:28:12 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts002d17.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.53]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.8) id BAA21682; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:27:19 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801140627.BAA21682@mcfeely.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:26:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Shockwave crash with Netscape Navigator 4.0 (760ED) Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, Does anyone use Netscape Navigator 4.0 with the Shockwave plug-in on a 760ED? I'm running at 800x600 resolution with a 16bit colour depth and everytime I load a web page that requires this plug-in, Navigator crashes. I've installed the same copy of the program and plug-in on various computers and it worked without a hitch. I even downloaded the latest video drivers from IBM's web site but to no avail. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, ... patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 01:32:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182329572; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:32:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16492; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:31:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16358; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16309; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:31:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA02696 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:21:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140621.WAA02696@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 22:29:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Floppy problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is weird - I was playing several wave files in OS/2's sound folder in the System Setup folder, and the floppy drive started doing random accesses. Anyone ever have this with OS/2 also, or any other OS? I think I might have IBM replace it, though. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 13m 22s 679ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 01:43:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184230226; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:43:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17157; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:42:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17064; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17052; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 01:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA03188 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:32:32 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140632.WAA03188@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 22:40:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP ALL - 701 Floppy Drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I disected my 701's floppy drive with the one without a chassis. There actually is a slight model number difference, as the newer one's eject button is light purple, the older one is light blue (quite noticable), and the flex cable inside >from the newer one seems to be of a higher quality. Also, the enclosure is made out of Rayon by Mitsubishi. Just thought I'd post this for the curious. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 24m 18s 218ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 02:04:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189251442; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:04:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18042; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:02:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17912; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17899; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA03987 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:52:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140652.WAA03987@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:00:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 701 Floppy problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I have determined that it is not from the audio, but the drive itself. The old one makes no random calls to the drive. Very strange... -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 44m 27s 226ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 02:33:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA193673193; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:33:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19847; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:31:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19723; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19673; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05228; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:22:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140722.XAA05228@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "phong@concentric.net" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:30:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Shockwave problem resolved... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:25:05 -0500, Patrick Hong wrote: >Thanks for reading my previous email but I downloaded version 6.01 of Shockwave >and now the problem is resolved. Sorry to trouble everyone on the listserv. > Don't worry, I think I troubled everyone more, because I sent 3 emails for my stupid (self-solvable) problem. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 6h 13m 49s 617ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 02:50:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196354230; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:50:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19215; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:26:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18939; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18926; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.184.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(97/11/17 5.8)) id CAA19724; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:26:09 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from CRC3.Concentric.net (ts002d17.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.53]) by newman.concentric.net (8.8.8) id CAA24751; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:25:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801140725.CAA24751@newman.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:25:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Shockwave problem resolved... Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for reading my previous email but I downloaded version 6.01 of Shockwave and now the problem is resolved. Sorry to trouble everyone on the listserv. ... patrick ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 02:51:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA196484279; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:51:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19190; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:28:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18666; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18654; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 02:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04962 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:14:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:14:48 -0800 (PST) Resent-Message-Id: <199801140714.XAA04962@ritchie.loop.com> Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-admin.loop.com [10.130.131.129]) by patty.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA01401 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04811 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:11:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801140711.XAA04811@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "Paul Khoury" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:19:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Floppy problem X-Uidl: cc778a23e8db4065a9d265fc6baf0f39 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 13 Jan 98 23:00:55, Paul Khoury wrote: >Well, I have determined that it is not from the audio, but the >drive itself. The old one makes no random calls to the drive. > >Very strange... > Hmmm. It stopped now, so never mind. Sorry about this useless thread. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 30 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 6h 3m 24s 617ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 03:47:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203937672; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:47:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22734; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:42:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22401; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22388; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 03:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 1266 invoked by uid 66); 14 Jan 1998 08:41:29 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 07:10 CET From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: > If anyone has a working XF86Config, please send me a copy of it. We can send you another 10,000 XF86Config files or point you to web sites but as long as you do not describe your system and the errors you encounter it is hard to help you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 05:26:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215663592; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:26:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29853; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:24:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29709; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29328; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 05:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.6) id KAA24668 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:23:01 GMT Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 10:22 GMT0 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Mwave modem in UK To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801112041.UAA002.58@bradnet> I have been using the MWave modem successfully in this 755CD for almost three years, and have always got consistent 28.8 connections. All I use on the initialisation string is AT&F. But don't forget that the modem is on com2. Gerry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 08:48:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238275682; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:48:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04052; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:44:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03823; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:44:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03805; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from saint.turi.com (subb3@slip166-72-112-124.mi.us.ibm.net [166.72.112.124]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA32784; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:43:51 GMT Received: (from subb3@localhost) by saint.turi.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) id IAA00718; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:43:26 GMT From: Subba Rao Message-Id: <199801140843.IAA00718@saint.turi.com> Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:43:26 +0000 (WAT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) In-Reply-To: from "Harald Milz" at Jan 14, 98 07:10:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harald Milz writes: > > Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: > > If anyone has a working XF86Config, please send me a copy of it. > > We can send you another 10,000 XF86Config files or point you to web > sites but as long as you do not describe your system and the errors you > encounter it is hard to help you. > My system is a ThinkPad 760EL. It has 48 Meg RAM and 1.40 gig HD. The screen is Active Matrix. I cannot get the mouse to work ( psaux, ttyS0 etc ). The mouse works fine on other operating system. I used XF86Setup, and got a glimpse of the screen I had on my PC linux but none of the key bindings ( key shortcuts ) worked. Some configuration setting I tried with XF86Setup, I got blank screen ( no X cursor or whatever ). I hope this information is sufficient. Regards, SubbaRao -- subb3@ibm.net --------------------------------------------------------- The more that sensual men indulge in the sensory objects, the more their weakness for them grows. - Laws of Manu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 09:41:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA244878890; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:41:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06338; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:38:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06231; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:38:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from sg.wdc.com (sg.wdc.com [129.253.98.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06218; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 09:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from [129.253.97.73] by sg.wdc.com; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:35:49 +0800 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:39:44 +0800 (Taipei Standard Time) From: Poh Kian Hock Subject: RE: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? To: Rune.Floberghagen@lr.tudelft.nl Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I got my Xircom 56K PC card modem bundled with the TP560. It works fine at home but when I'm at the office (an IDD phone line via PABX) I simply could not connect with my ISP at all. I've not tried out any modem strings but saw an faq on troubleshooting 56K, that there's actually a string to disable 56K mode. When my 560 resumes from suspend a dialog tells me that I removed the PC card without stopping it first. But after a few seconds it gets redetected by Win95, so it's okay, though annoying. Other than that, things work fine. Anyone else care to share ? cheers, kianhock ---------- From: Rune Floberghagen[SMTP:Rune.Floberghagen@lr.tudelft.nl] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 6:01 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Having purchased a ThinkPad 380 ED I am now looking for a high-quality PCMCIA modem for use with a standard telephone line (cellular use not required). My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at around 200 USD. Anyone with recommendations for what (not) to buy??? Many thanks, Rune -- ________________________________________________ R u n e F L O B E R G H A G E N Delft Institute for Earth-Oriented Space Research (DEOS) mailto:Rune.Floberghagen@lr.tudelft.nl http://deos.lr.tudelft.nl/~rune From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 10:47:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256462833; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:47:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09698; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:36:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09471; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09394; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 10:35:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from p28.hwts14.loop.net (p28.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.223]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA28626; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:31:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801141531.HAA28626@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "h.milz@seneca.muc.de" , "Subba Rao" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 07:31:41 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:43:26 +0000 (WAT), Subba Rao wrote: >Harald Milz writes: >> >> Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: >> > If anyone has a working XF86Config, please send me a copy of it. >> >> We can send you another 10,000 XF86Config files or point you to web >> sites but as long as you do not describe your system and the errors you >> encounter it is hard to help you. >> > >My system is a ThinkPad 760EL. It has 48 Meg RAM and 1.40 gig HD. The screen >is Active Matrix. I cannot get the mouse to work ( psaux, ttyS0 etc ). The >mouse works fine on other operating system. > >I used XF86Setup, and got a glimpse of the screen I had on my PC linux but none >of the key bindings ( key shortcuts ) worked. > >Some configuration setting I tried with XF86Setup, I got blank screen ( no X >cursor or whatever ). > >I hope this information is sufficient. > I think Harold was also looking for specifics such as video chipset, etc. Things like that. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 6h 14m 39s 601ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 13:04:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279051054; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:04:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17650; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:56:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17519; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17499; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id LAA10938 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:49:49 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34BCFCB1.1A4B@anet-dfw.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:58:09 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anybody know if the 360PE and 750/755 memory cards compatible? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 13:14:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280541673; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:14:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19120; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:11:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19019; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18983; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id MAA12064 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:05:00 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34BD0040.425@anet-dfw.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 12:13:20 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 701C for sale... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just a note to all you butterfly junkies out there, I noticed that there is a 701 C with port replicator and 2 speed CD-ROM on auction. It's currently around $500, and I don't know a THING about the seller, but the price sounded fairly good so I thought I'd post it... http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00261749.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 16:31:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA015043494; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:31:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29567; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:20:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:17:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29322; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29296; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA01044 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:17:49 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:25:17 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770A6@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 701C for sale... Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 15:14:48 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm selling mine also, and I know a lot about the seller :) I bought it as a interesting project and really can't justify hanging onto it. If anyone is interested, take a look at: http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4270403 Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Mike Welch [SMTP:mikew@anet-dfw.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 12:17 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 701C for sale... Just a note to all you butterfly junkies out there, I noticed that there is a 701 C with port replicator and 2 speed CD-ROM on auction. It's currently around $500, and I don't know a THING about the seller, but the price sounded fairly good so I thought I'd post it... http://www.onsale.com/category/inv/00261749.htm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 17:02:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023165340; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:02:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01603; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:45:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01313; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from unexexch.unex.ucla.edu (exchange.unex.ucla.edu [128.97.115.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01297; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:45:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by exchange.unex.ucla.edu with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:44:36 -0800 Message-Id: From: "Swartz, Charles" To: "'Sergiu Hart'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: TP560 -- extend warranty? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:44:33 -0800 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm purchasing a 2 yr. extension for $198 from IBM. They offered only 2 or 4 yr. I have not verified if it applies internationally, but it does include EasyServ domestic. Charles Swartz > -----Original Message----- > From: Sergiu Hart [SMTP:hart@math.huji.ac.il] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 2:43 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP560 -- extend warranty? > > > [] > > my one year warranty on the 560 ends this month. did anyone extend > it? > how much it costs? is it international, or only local as i am being > told > by ibm/usa ? > > bye, > --sergiu-- > > ------------------------------------- > http://www.ma.huji.ac.il/~hart > ------------------------------------- > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 17:16:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA026926169; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:16:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02991; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:12:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:10:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02865; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02845; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from saint.turi.com (subb3@slip129-37-44-238.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.44.238]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA22614; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:09:58 GMT Received: (from subb3@localhost) by saint.turi.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) id RAA00414; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:09:32 GMT From: Subba Rao Message-Id: <199801141709.RAA00414@saint.turi.com> Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:09:31 +0000 (WAT) Cc: hm@seneca.muc.de, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) In-Reply-To: <199801141531.HAA28626@stevie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Jan 14, 98 07:31:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury writes: > > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:43:26 +0000 (WAT), Subba Rao wrote: > > >My system is a ThinkPad 760EL. It has 48 Meg RAM and 1.40 gig HD. The screen > >is Active Matrix. I cannot get the mouse to work ( psaux, ttyS0 etc ). The > >mouse works fine on other operating system. > > > >I used XF86Setup, and got a glimpse of the screen I had on my PC linux but none > >of the key bindings ( key shortcuts ) worked. > > > >Some configuration setting I tried with XF86Setup, I got blank screen ( no X > >cursor or whatever ). > > > >I hope this information is sufficient. > > > > I think Harold was also looking for specifics such as video chipset, etc. > Things like that. > SuperProbe Version 2.15 (4 August 1997) First video: Super-VGA Chipset: Trident LCD9320 (PCI Probed) Memory: 1024 Kbytes RAMDAC: Trident Built-In 15/16/24-bit DAC (with 6-bit wide lookup tables (or in 6-bit mode)) I hope this will help. If you need any other information please let me know. TIA. Regards, SubbaRao -- subb3@ibm.net --------------------------------------------------------- The more that sensual men indulge in the sensory objects, the more their weakness for them grows. - Laws of Manu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 17:24:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA028756692; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:24:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03848; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03632; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03597; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.teleport.com (ip-pdx42-30.teleport.com [204.202.160.222]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00157 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:21:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801142221.OAA00157@smtp3.teleport.com> To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.5) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:22:23 PDT From: Patrick West Reply-To: Patrick West Subject: Re: 750/755 Thinkpad 810 HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Paul Khoury" Tue, 13 Jan 98 02:15:32 > On Mon, 12 Jan 1998 23:18:30 -0800, Tom Franklin wrote: > > >Should work just fine. It might be a good idea to update the BIOS on the > >TP360 before you try it though. > > > Actually, this shouldn't be nessecary unless the drive is larger than 540MB. > The drive is 810, however I have the most recent TPad bios upgrade from IBM Patrick West using Post Road Mailer 2.5 with OS/2 Warp 4.0 FP1 PGPKey fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 17:31:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029997072; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:31:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03851; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03629; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03596; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.teleport.com (ip-pdx42-30.teleport.com [204.202.160.222]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA00123; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:21:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801142221.OAA00123@smtp3.teleport.com> To: "ThinkPad List" , "tisol" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 2.5) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:22:21 PDT From: Patrick West Reply-To: Patrick West Subject: RE: thinkpad 750 battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Addressed to: "ThinkPad List" "tisol" > >On the other hand the TP 360 really liked the 750 battery (grin). Does this mean the Battery will work and show the amount of charge? I wonder as I have a TP360 CSE running OS/2 3.0 redbox The battery charge utillity never shows anything. Patrick West using Post Road Mailer 2.5 with OS/2 Warp 4.0 FP1 PGPKey fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 17:55:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036918511; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:55:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05889; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:53:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:52:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05795; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05783; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:52:01 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD20FC.38817EA0@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:53:48 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD20FC.38817EA0@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: tisol , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: thinkpad 750 battery Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 14:53:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes it works and yes it shows the emount of charge. ..peter Unfortunetly the Damn battery costs about $50 more ...sigh ...peter ---------- From: Patrick West[SMTP:pccare@teleport.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 1:22 PM To: ThinkPad List; tisol Subject: RE: thinkpad 750 battery Addressed to: "ThinkPad List" "tisol" > >On the other hand the TP 360 really liked the 750 battery (grin). Does this mean the Battery will work and show the amount of charge? I wonder as I have a TP360 CSE running OS/2 3.0 redbox The battery charge utillity never shows anything. Patrick West using Post Road Mailer 2.5 with OS/2 Warp 4.0 FP1 PGPKey fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 18:36:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045371009; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:36:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07758; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:33:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07599; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07587; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id RAA27731; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:27:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34BD4BD0.8CC@anet-dfw.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 17:35:44 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: ameba@mcleod.net, sac49783@saclink.csus.edu Subject: Running Windows 95 on 360P/PE (730T/750P/755C?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For the individuals on this list, the following is an update to the message I sent to both of you. For everyone else, below is a step-by-step instructional on getting your 360PE (and others) to run Windows 95 with full feature support. Please let me know if something is confusing or if you find a mistake. How To Install Windows 95 On The ThinkPad 360/C/CS/P/PE =85And maybe 730T/750/755C/755CS The following document will help you prepare your IBM ThinkPad computer to run under the Windows 95 operating system. I have gone through this procedure twice now and know it works on my particular unit. It's difficult to tell exactly what support disks you need to complete this process. My first installation involved installing several floppies worth of utilities that I later discovered included redundant information. Exactly what you need will depend on what kind of options you have. Please keep in mind that these instructions have only been tested on a 360PE. However, considering the similarities between the various 360 ThinkPads I suspect this process will also work for the following models: 360, 360C, 360CE, 360P, 360PE and possibly 730T/750/755C/755CS. Also, IBM has noted that Plug and Play is not supported on the 750 models. Finally, I suppose that I should add that I'm not responsible for anything (that's what my mom always said) should something terrible happen as a result of your using these instructions. Please direct any questions, comments or corrections to mikew@anet-dfw.com. CREATING THE UPDATE DISKS (Disk Images) --------------------------------------- Most (but not all) of the files I mention in this document can be found on IBM's web site, http://www.ibm.com. Finding the files, though, can be a chore, especially as they appear to be moved to different locations frequently. If you cannot find these files, let me know and I'll get them to you. Most of the files I discuss in this document are stored in a disk image format, while a few are stored in ZIP format. This document assumes you are familiar with compressed ZIP files. Briefly, most of the files that have an .EXE extension are disk image ("hard file") files which automatically create a disk. They will require one blank (though not necessarily formatted) 1.44MB floppy for each .EXE file. In the case of the disk image files, just type the name of the file at a command prompt, or double click the file from the File Manager. WHAT YOU GET FOR "FREE" ----------------------- The ThinkPad 360PE is a "pen-based" computer and as such requires additional drivers to work under Windows 95. If your notebook does not support the pen feature and if you have no special peripherals, you may not need anything besides a plain Windows 95 install CD. Furthermore, if you only have, for example, PCMCIA and audio on your ThinkPad, and if you already have Windows 3.1 installed, you may again need nothing besides a plain Windows 95 CD. Several of the drivers that you will be using are actually the old drivers used by Windows 3.1/Windows 3.11. I do not know whether this affects performance or not. These drivers work fine, and on my machine Windows reports that it's running optimally. LET'S GET STARTED ----------------- Each of the diskettes you create from the disk image files will come with a README.TXT type file. Be sure to read that over before your proceed with the step. It's the right thing to do. 1. Backup your computer. If you have the original preload software SAVE IT because you may want to go back to the original operating system. 2. Create a diskette from the WIN95SET.EXE file. This has to be the most confusing part because there are two different disk files on IBM's site, MTTPS120.EXE and UTTPG101.EXE, that contain the update for Plug and Play BIOS support. I don't think you don't need MTTPS120.EXE at all (if anybody has to install the BIOS update please verify this and let me know for sure). The WIN95SET disk will tell you if you need to update your BIOS or not. If so, it will ask you for the ThinkPad Features Diskette created by UTTPG101.EXE. Even if you don't anticipate a BIOS update, create both diskettes because you will use the Features Diskette later. Note: my 360PE has a BIOS Part # of 91G1534 and a date of 02/21/96. As this is the most recent BIOS version for my system I did not need the BIOS update. Once you have created your diskettes, insert the WIN95SET disk into your A: drive and reboot your computer. Just follow the instructions that appear when the system comes up. Once you have completed this step, which may include the BIOS update, you will have, among other things, the VESA video BIOS extensions that allow you to run Windows 95 in 256 colors. Note that WIN95SET completely REMOVES OS/2, so if you haven't made a backup of your system there's no turning back after this step. Note: WIN95SET backs up a few critical files: AUTOEXEC.BAT, CONFIG.SYS, WIN.INI and SYSTEM.INI to *.E95 should you need to refer to them later. 4. After verifying that you have all drivers you plan to load listed in your CONFIG.SYS file (this includes the VESA.EXE video BIOS extension, any memory managers or PCMCIA drivers), install Windows 95. During the installation, Windows 95 asks if you would like to create a startup (emergency) diskette. IBM suggests, and I agree, that you create this disk after Windows has been completely installed. Otherwise it is possible that some of your drivers may not exist on the startup disk. Note: If you don't know which monitor to pick, IBM suggests you use the IBM 8513 monitor. Reboot however many times Windows asks you to. Once you have completed this step you should be running Windows 95 with the following support: o Video in 16 or 256 colors (Western Digital) o Full support for the Trackpoint pointing device o Basic PCMCIA support (you will need to execute the PCMCIA wizard from control panel to complete that step). 5. Windows 95 should now be operating. Insert the ThinkPad Features Diskette you created in step 2. Type INSTALLW at the command prompt (or use "Run" from the Start Menu, or double click the file from the Windows Explorer). This will install the ThinkPad setup and interrogation programs, the fuel gauge utility and docking station support. Note that you can skip this step if you don't want to install these utilities.=20 Also, there is another disk that I am not covering called the Personalization Utility Program. I found this utility useless. 6. Next, install the audio support. If your ThinkPad doesn't have the audio feature, or if the audio already appears to be working, skip this step. After creating a diskette from AFTPS140.EXE, insert the disk and type A:\WINSETUP at the DOS prompt (or start it from "Run" from the Start Menu, or double click the file from the Windows Explorer). This will install the Windows 3.1 drivers (sigh) onto your system. I don't know if these are actually 32-bit drivers or not, but Windows 95 reports that my system is running optimally when them installed. Note: After the first installation of this diskette, the IBM setup program informed me that I may need to run through the whole installation process twice to enable the audio feature. I DID have to install it twice (repeat step 6) but then my audio worked fine. Another Note: After completing this step, Windows kept telling me that it couldn't find the FUELWIN utility that's being loaded in WIN.INI. If you get this error, edit WIN.INI and verify the path to FUELWIN (if you installed the audio files to a directory other than the default, the IBM setup program still tells Windows to load it from the default directory. This is a bug). Either change the path or just delete the "Run =3D Fuelwin.exe" statement from WIN.INI and run the utility manually= , or create a shortcut to it in your Startup folder. 7. Lastly, if your system supports the pen feature, unpack the Microsoft Pen Services 2.0 files contained in the IBMPS20.EXE file to a floppy disk (note: this is just a self-extracting file and does not create a disk image, so be sure the diskette is formatted and empty).=20 Once the diskette is created, go to the Start Menu and click Control Panel from the Settings menu item. Once Control Panel opens up, click the "Add/Remove Programs" icon. From the dialog, select the "Windows Setup" tab (it's the middle tab on my system). You will see the files that were installed when you loaded Windows. Click the "Have Disk" button and tell Windows to look on drive A: for your Pen Services diskette. Select "Pen Services 2.0" when it's displayed and let Windows install the files. You will have to reboot again, so do that. When Windows comes back up it will show a dialog with the supported pen computers (730T, 360P/PE, 750). Select your model. Then you get to reboot again. (I think Plug and Play should be called Plug and Reboot). The next time Windows comes up you should be able to use the pen feature. SLOW VIDEO ---------- If your video seems terribly slow, verify that the acceleration is set to the maximum setting. Open the control panel window (from the Start menu, select "Settings", then "Control Panel). Next, click on the "System" icon (the window that comes up should be entitled "System Properties"). Next, click on the "Performance" tab. Finally, click the "Graphics" button. You should now see a window entitled "Advanced Graphics Settings". My system was set somewhere in the middle (low acceleration). Move the sliding bar all the way to "Full" and click the "OK" button. Video performance should now be acceptable. NOTES ----- Another good resource is 750_TIPS.TXT. This is just a list of technical notes about all kinds of stuff having to do with the 750P convertible.=20 Much of it applies to the 360P/PE too. Read it if you're curious or if you have other problems. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 18:38:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045551085; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:38:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07876; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:35:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07733; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07714; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08463; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:33:01 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10718; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 13:36:46 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801142336.NAA10718@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: RE: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 13:36:45 HST In-Reply-To: ; from "Poh Kian Hock" at Jan 14, 98 10:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You might just buy the IBM modem (which is probably made by TDK; their 'International' series is, anyway). That way you (a) know where to find new drivers, and (b) know that the service rep won't blame your laptop's manufacturer for any problems! (SOunds like a joke, but I found this useful on my IBM modem, and expect some day to find this useful on my IBM external CDROM drive!) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 22:47:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084216055; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:47:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16596; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:45:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:43:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16390; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16378; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts09.loop.net (p24.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.69]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA23796; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:41:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801150341.TAA23796@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mike Welch" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 19:42:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:58:09 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: >Does anybody know if the 360PE and 750/755 memory cards compatible? > I think the 755 might use parity while the 355/360 does not. Can someone else please confirm? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 18h 25m 13s 117ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 23:29:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091528538; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:28:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17881; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:26:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17796; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (wwwfep00.us.hsanet.net [209.116.152.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17782; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:25:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net by webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id EAA07342; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:25:40 GMT Message-Id: <34BD8FC6.3AF8C987@HSAnet.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:25:42 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Giles Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 References: <199801140620.AAA24436@sammy.netpathway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where did you find one! We're looking for more... The 770 is very nice. It's *big* (both the screen and the box), so beware of that. However, it's beautiful, and I don't mind the externally-accessible peripherals as much as I expected... -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 23:57:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095500227; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18789; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:48:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18678; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18663; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA16630 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:48:09 -0700 (MST) Received: from ip-26-070.phx.primenet.com(206.165.26.70), claiming to be "ci.glendale.az.us" via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd016614; Wed Jan 14 21:48:07 1998 Message-Id: <34BD9508.885CD5A6@ci.glendale.az.us> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:48:08 -0700 From: Peter Van Haren Reply-To: peterv@primenet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 760E Memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 760E with 32mb and I want to add a 32mb chip. I seem to remember reading a year or so ago that there was a problem with adding memory to the second slot in the 760 series. Can anybody tell me of their experiences with this? TIA, peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 14 23:58:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA095700298; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:58:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19320; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:55:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19231; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19212; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:55:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (slip-32-100-144-119.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.144.119]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA27868 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:55:11 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: Subject: Re: TP 760E Memory Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:54:49 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd217a$1757d200$77906420@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There was a bug in the card that holds the DIMMs on these machines. They also came out with a better plastic door that covers the memory that has a extra latch. Call IBM tech support and just ask for both. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Van Haren To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 8:42 PM Subject: TP 760E Memory >I have a 760E with 32mb and I want to add a 32mb chip. I seem to remember reading a year or so ago that there was a problem >with adding memory to the second slot in the 760 series. Can anybody tell me of their experiences with this? >TIA, peter > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 00:03:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096940606; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:03:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19753; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:59:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:58:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19586; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19536; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26582; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:57:25 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199801150457.EAA26582@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:57:24 -0500 (EST) Cc: mikew@anet-dfw.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801150341.TAA23796@stevie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Jan 14, 98 07:42:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:58:09 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: > > >Does anybody know if the 360PE and 750/755 memory cards compatible? > > > I think the 755 might use parity while the 355/360 does not. > > Can someone else please confirm? The 360 series do not support parity checking, but you can use a parity memory card without any problems. I have done this. The 750 series supports parity checking by default, but you can turn it off and use a non-parity card. I have done this, too. Just remember to turn off parity checking again if you do an Easy-Setup Reset. I do not have first-hand experience with the 755, but I would expect it to be like the 750. Note, however, that only the 755 models support the DIMM adapter, according to the H/W Maintenance Manual. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 00:05:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097240736; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:05:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20174; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:00:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20094; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19912; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA26598; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 04:59:49 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199801150459.EAA26598@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: TP 760E Memory To: peterv@primenet.com Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:59:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34BD9508.885CD5A6@ci.glendale.az.us> from "Peter Van Haren" at Jan 14, 98 09:48:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I have a 760E with 32mb and I want to add a 32mb chip. I seem to remember reading a year or so ago that there was a problem > with adding memory to the second slot in the 760 series. Can anybody tell me of their experiences with this? > TIA, peter There's a mention of this problem being fixed in one of the recent BIOS updates for the 760E, so if you're up to date, you're probably fine. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 02:54:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119790856; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:54:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24729; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:52:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24658; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24646; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 02:52:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10652; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:50:34 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA11845; Wed, 14 Jan 1998 21:54:18 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801150754.VAA11845@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall] cheap pcmcia (was: 56K...) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jan 98 21:54:17 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Shortly after I posted my suggestion re a 56K pcmcia modem, I stumbled across the website www.netlux.com. They have a 56K pcmcia modem (vflex) for only $139, and a 33.5 modem/enet combo for only $149. I don't know how good these are, but the prices are very attractive. Someone here should buy something from them, then report back to the list on how everything worked:-) - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 03:35:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA124523358; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:35:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26723; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:34:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26592; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26580; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:34:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p25.hwts08.loop.net (p25.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.40]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA22411; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 00:32:39 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801150832.AAA22411@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 00:32:36 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] cheap pcmcia (was: 56K...) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 14 Jan 98 21:54:17 HST, David Ross wrote: >Shortly after I posted my suggestion re a 56K pcmcia modem, I stumbled >across the website www.netlux.com. They have a 56K pcmcia modem (vflex) >for only $139, and a 33.5 modem/enet combo for only $149. I don't know >how good these are, but the prices are very attractive. Someone here >should buy something from them, then report back to the list on how >everything worked:-) > Well, my only question is if these are those same cards that only work in Windows 3.x and 95, and don't work in command line DOS (even though Windows 95 is a DOS shell) OS/2, or Linux. Anyways, what did it say about driver support? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 29 Processes with 105 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 15m 32s 601ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 06:06:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141342380; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:06:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05530; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:02:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05319; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (genepool@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05307; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 06:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id DAA10186; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:02:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 03:02:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? To: Paul Khoury Cc: Mike Welch , ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <199801150341.TAA23796@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 14 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jan 1998 11:58:09 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: > >Does anybody know if the 360PE and 750/755 memory cards compatible? > I think the 755 might use parity while the 355/360 does not. > Can someone else please confirm? Check out the Kingston site http://www.kingston.com/ since they have a product matrix for TP memory you should be able to determine if they are compatible. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 07:13:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148086399; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:13:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06925; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:11:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06851; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06836; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:11:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA11208; Thu, 15 Jan 98 07:11:21 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 07:11:21 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801151211.AA11208@nile.gnat.com> To: egiles@netpathway.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> What do you mean by externally-accessible peripherals (I have a 770 ..) By the way Insight (www.insight.com) has about 90 machines in stock (that's where I got mine). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 07:40:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151238052; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:40:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07857; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:37:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07719; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:37:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07707; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 07:37:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-32-100-79-19 (slip-32-100-79-19.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.19]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA19720; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:37:07 GMT Message-Id: <34BDDF24.1EE0@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 05:04:20 -0500 From: PierreJovanovic Reply-To: amon14@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: egiles@netpathway.com, ssh@hsanet.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 64 Mega EDO= 199 $ for Thinkpad References: <9801151211.AA11208@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To all: I bought the 64 Meg "Viking" at 199 $ from Insight for my 765D This is the best price I found while shopping around Pierre http://www.malibubrain.com Robert Dewar wrote: > > < beware of that. However, it's beautiful, and I don't mind the > externally-accessible peripherals as much as I expected... > >> > > What do you mean by externally-accessible peripherals (I have a 770 ..) > > By the way Insight (www.insight.com) has about 90 machines in stock (that's > where I got mine). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 11:25:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182741501; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:25:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16479; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:15:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16214; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16180; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022022; 15 Jan 98 15:59 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:12:09 +0000 To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: Mwave modem in UK In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.04 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message , Gerry Prosser writes >In-Reply-To: <199801112041.UAA002.58@bradnet> > But don't forget that the modem >is on com2. .....unless IBM have been "at it". When they had my 760CD for a problem that turned out to be a fault in the modem cable it came back with modem on com1! -- Greg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 14:08:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA213731318; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:08:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24959; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:05:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24750; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:05:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24709; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:05:10 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD21A5.B7835580@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:07:06 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD21A5.B7835580@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: TP 760E Memory Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:07:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu NO this is not a bios problem !! There is a known bug /flaw in the Dimm card holder. A very stupid design by the way ..... ..peter ---------- From: Tim Tyhurst[SMTP:tim@dogmead.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 3:59 PM To: peterv@primenet.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 760E Memory > > I have a 760E with 32mb and I want to add a 32mb chip. I seem to remember reading a year or so ago that there was a problem > with adding memory to the second slot in the 760 series. Can anybody tell me of their experiences with this? > TIA, peter There's a mention of this problem being fixed in one of the recent BIOS updates for the 760E, so if you're up to date, you're probably fine. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 14:12:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214101547; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:12:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24930; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:04:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24587; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24560; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:03:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:03:00 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD21A5.696E5200@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:04:55 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD21A5.696E5200@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol To: "'peterv@primenet.com'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: TP 760E Memory Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:04:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Somewhere on IBM's web page (grin) they give the part number for the = "faulty" Dimm socket holder . Match it with your part number , if it matches, IBM will send you the = "good" one no charge. Basically they didn't lay out the circuit board correctly on their first = attempt. It mostly shows up with 2 *32 MB dimms but they'll replace it anyway. You might have a small problem because your Dimm socket holder has 8 MB soldered on it plus the 16 MB dimm. They might go for a credit card = number which if you return it(the old one) in 31 days type thing will = not be charged.. ..peter ---------- From: Peter Van Haren[SMTP:peter@ci.glendale.az.us] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 8:48 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 760E Memory I have a 760E with 32mb and I want to add a 32mb chip. I seem to = remember reading a year or so ago that there was a problem with adding memory to the second slot in the 760 series. Can anybody = tell me of their experiences with this? TIA, peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 14:29:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217372575; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:29:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26630; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:25:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26524; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26512; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA06938; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:24:59 GMT From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199801151924.TAA06938@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: TP 760E Memory To: machule@triumf.ca (tisol) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:24:58 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BD21A5.B7835580@sfupc.Triumf.CA> from "tisol" at Jan 15, 98 11:07:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > NO this is not a bios problem !! > There is a known bug /flaw in the Dimm card holder. > A very stupid design by the way ..... Well, now that everybody mentions it, I do recall people mentioning that an updated DIMM holder was made available a while back. I double-checked the BIOS update information that I was thinking of: the most recent version (2.01) claims that this problem is fixed: - (Fix) Hangs during Operating System boot when 2 Memory DIMMs are installed on 120MHz/150MHz models. So, to be safe, presumably one needs both the updated DIMM adapter and the latest BIOS. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 15:15:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226165302; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:15:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29567; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:06:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29185; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29070; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA20201 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:50:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:50:52 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801151950.LAA20201@netcom17.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu One thing I've heard is that it has a cooling fan. I'd really prefer that it didn't. Re finding them, they're not -that- hard to find, if you can afford them. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 15:28:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229046128; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:28:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00442; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:22:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00293; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00281; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13632; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:19:19 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13621; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 10:23:02 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801152023.KAA13621@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TPall] cheap pcmcia (was: 56K...) To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 10:23:02 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, ross@math.hawaii.edu In-Reply-To: <199801150832.AAA22411@stevie.loop.com>; from "Paul Khoury" at Jan 15, 98 12:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Well, my only question is if these are those same cards that > only work in Windows 3.x and 95, and don't work > in command line DOS (even though Windows 95 is a DOS shell) > OS/2, or Linux. Possibly (though presumably such devices *should* work in Win-OS2, and in a DOS box in W95). > Anyways, what did it say about driver support? I don't know - you can take a look yourself. I'm not defending these guys, I was looking there for some networking supplies (I think they are an OEM distributor of network products) and saw the modem. I invite anyone with questions about these products to not ask me:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 15:31:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229666312; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:31:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01228; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:29:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01122; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01095; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01ISEOHDTZV4HSWL2X@Arizona.EDU>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05062; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA01241; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Subject: re: thinkpad 770 To: phr@netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <199801152028.NAA01241@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 13:23 MST 1998 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:50:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Paul Rubin > Subject: re: thinkpad 770 > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > One thing I've heard is that it has a cooling fan. I'd really > prefer that it didn't. Re finding them, they're not -that- hard > to find, if you can afford them. > For that matter, the 765D has one. It is noisy in a quiet environment. I discovered it when it came on after an hour or so of operation at home one evening shortly after I took delivery. I expect most high clock speed processor notebooks will have a fan unless they have a metal case to use as a heat sink. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 15:48:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232757308; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:48:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02086; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:41:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:40:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01949; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:40:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com (kenyee.xensei.com [204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01763; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 8525658D.00712945 ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:36:01 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8525658D.00711A13.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:35:54 -0500 Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > prefer that it didn't. Re finding them, they're not -that- hard > to find, if you can afford them. It's a shame IBM isn't into the steep price cuts that every other vendor seems to be doing nowadays :-( ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 15:56:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234487782; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:56:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02652; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:46:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02577; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02540; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id MAA16206; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:46:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0002EDB4; Thu, 15 Jan 98 12:48:19 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:49:14 -0800 Message-Id: <0002EDB4.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: phr@netcom.com, Stuart Biggar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: thinkpad 770 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.992798488" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.992798488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part My 760XL also has a fan that kicks in when some internal sensor deems appropriate. Usually it's when I've placed the XL on some medium that doesn't allow heat conduction. Moral: I usually prop up the back side of the XL a bit, enough to allow some air space (and hopefully, air flow) to the bottom. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Author: Stuart Biggar at Internet Date: 1/15/98 1:28 PM > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 13:23 MST 1998 > Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 11:50:52 -0800 (PST) > From: Paul Rubin > Subject: re: thinkpad 770 > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > One thing I've heard is that it has a cooling fan. I'd really > prefer that it didn't. Re finding them, they're not -that- hard > to find, if you can afford them. > For that matter, the 765D has one. It is noisy in a quiet environment. I discovered it when it came on after an hour or so of operation at home one evening shortly after I took delivery. I expect most high clock speed processor notebooks will have a fan unless they have a metal case to use as a heat sink. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --IMA.Boundary.992798488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-3.pilot.net (198.232.147.18) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0002EDA4; Thu, 15 Jan 98 12:39:45 -0800 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-3.pilot.net with ESMTP id MAA02515 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01279; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:29:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01122; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01095; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01ISEOHDTZV4HSWL2X@Arizona.EDU>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:41 -0700 (MST) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05062; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:12 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA01241; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:28:34 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Subject: re: thinkpad 770 To: phr@netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <199801152028.NAA01241@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.992798488-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 16:01:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235048102; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:01:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04251; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:57:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03744; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:57:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (wwwfep00.us.hsanet.net [209.116.152.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03686; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net by webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA11791; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:54:35 GMT Message-Id: <34BE778C.A84AB75D@HSAnet.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:54:36 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 References: <9801151211.AA11208@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The fact that the harddrive, CD ROM, and floppy drive are on the outside and could somehow fall out of the unit. Having had ThinkPads for some time and remembering that last time I had one with a battery that slid in from the outside (it must have fallen out a dozen times!), it makes me nervous. Robert Dewar wrote: > < beware of that. However, it's beautiful, and I don't mind the > externally-accessible peripherals as much as I expected... > >> > > What do you mean by externally-accessible peripherals (I have a 770 ..) > > By the way Insight (www.insight.com) has about 90 machines in stock (that's > where I got mine). -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 16:16:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA237909011; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:16:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05814; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:11:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05410; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from fred.ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (n175en240.enr.gov.ab.ca [199.214.175.240]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05347; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:10:48 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from energy.enr.gov.ab.ca by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-10 #27662) id <01ISEPWE6YJ48X09XQ@ags.enr.gov.ab.ca> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:09:50 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:09:50 -0700 (MST) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: Battery power indicator To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34BE78C2.7712.0239.000@energy.enr.gov.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: 01/15/1998 02:04 pm (Thursday) From: Grant Hilsenteger To: energy.smtpgw."thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Battery power indicator Just a question about the battery power indicator on the desktop. The little battery icon that tells how much battery time is remaining when you move the mouse over it usually has a +/- sign on the battery icon. The 701C that I use decided about a month ago to stop working with battery power although the battery seemed to be fine. After sitting for a month, suddenly the battery power is back online, except that now the power indicator had an icon that is a battery with a question mark in it... the owner (my mom) was quite distressed, but this is normal for her. I had never seen that icon before and thought maybe it was just because the battery was so low that it was not really measureable. Then I thought that I should ask the TP group since there is such a wealth of knowledge here. Has anyone seen that icon? What does it mean? The good news out of this is that where I thought the battery was toast and needed to be replaced, it now seems to be working fine. After I left the battery and the question mark icon to charge overnight, the battery and the power meter were back to normal. Just another adventure in owning a thinkpad, which has been back to EZServ twice and had the top and bottom boards and the floppy replaced already, within a year. Thanks Grant From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 17:27:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253063240; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:27:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09334; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:14:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08657; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08573; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07288; Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:12:35 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:12:35 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801152212.AA07288@nile.gnat.com> To: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have no idea if my 770 has a cooling fan, how would I know? (it is completely silent in operation) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 17:27:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA253203247; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:27:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09345; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:22:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:19:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09076; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09064; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07479; Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:19:12 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:19:12 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801152219.AA07479@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> This is FUD at a pretty extreme level. :-) In fact the external bays are one of the huge improvements in the 770 design. Very well designed. No more fiddling with raising the keyboard and struggling (the designs in which you had to remove the CD ROM to change the battery were particularly ludicrous). Now there is a nice lever in front to eject the battery from the left, or whatever is in the ultrabay from the right. Absolutely ZERO possibility of one of these sliding out on its own. What is particularly nice is that it is easy to change batteries, and given that you can put a battery in each side, you can very easily change one while the machine is running on the other. I actually don't know how to remove the first hard drive, never needed to, and so have not bothered to learn how, but it certainly has shown no sign of falling out! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 17:35:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254423700; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:35:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09818; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:23:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09513; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:22:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09224; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07509; Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:20:08 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:20:08 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801152220.AA07509@nile.gnat.com> To: kenyee@keysolutions.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> I am sure they will not cut prices as long as people are buying. To me the 770 is easily worth the premium in price, and given the way these are selling, the market seems to agree. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 17:53:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258014814; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:53:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11118; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:45:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10953; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:45:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (wwwfep00.us.hsanet.net [209.116.152.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10931; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net by webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA12477; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 22:44:52 GMT Message-Id: <34BE9168.BCABD804@HSAnet.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:44:56 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 References: <9801152219.AA07479@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert Dewar wrote: > < and could somehow fall out of the unit. Having had ThinkPads for some > time and remembering that last time I had one with a battery that slid > in from the outside (it must have fallen out a dozen times!), it makes > me nervous. > >> > > This is FUD at a pretty extreme level. FUD?!?!? FUD?!?!? That was unkind! ;-) > Now there is a nice lever in front to eject the battery from the left, or > whatever is in the ultrabay from the right. > > Absolutely ZERO possibility of one of these sliding out on its own. > > What is particularly nice is that it is easy to change batteries, and given > that you can put a battery in each side, you can very easily change one while > the machine is running on the other. I know it's convenient. However, latches break, and I'm concerned about that in this case. The President of HSAnet has one and I've messed with it. It's certainly convenient, but I still remember those batteries flying out the front of the early Thinkpad 700s... -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 19:16:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271539781; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:16:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15384; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:11:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15163; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15137; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts15.loop.net (p02.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.227]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA09421; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:11:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801160011.QAA09421@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" Cc: "ross@math.hawaii.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 16:09:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] cheap pcmcia (was: 56K...) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 98 10:23:02 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Well, my only question is if these are those same cards that >> only work in Windows 3.x and 95, and don't work >> in command line DOS (even though Windows 95 is a DOS shell) >> OS/2, or Linux. > >Possibly (though presumably such devices *should* work in Win-OS2, and >in a DOS box in W95). > Oh. My ThinkPad has problems with the 65,536 color mode in OS/2 relating to DOS Windows and Win-OS/2, but Win-OS/2 doesn't work anyways. I usually open up Win-OS/2 on my server about 1-2 times a month, because everything I run is OS/2, or a few DOS apps (QBASIC). >> Anyways, what did it say about driver support? > >I don't know - you can take a look yourself. I'm not defending these >guys, I was looking there for some networking supplies (I think they are >an OEM distributor of network products) and saw the modem. I invite >anyone with questions about these products to not ask me:-) > What's the website, since I have nothing to do this evening? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 14h 52m 35s 320ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 19:20:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271820007; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:20:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15922; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:16:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15637; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15625; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts15.loop.net (p02.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.227]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA10344; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:16:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801160016.QAA10344@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Robert Dewar" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 16:14:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:44:56 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: >Robert Dewar wrote: >> <> and could somehow fall out of the unit. Having had ThinkPads for some >> time and remembering that last time I had one with a battery that slid >> in from the outside (it must have fallen out a dozen times!), it makes >> me nervous. >> >> >> >> This is FUD at a pretty extreme level. > >FUD?!?!? FUD?!?!? That was unkind! ;-) > What does FUD mean anyways? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 14h 57m 32s 15ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 19:21:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272220106; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:21:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15600; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:13:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15286; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:13:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15263; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts15.loop.net (p02.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.227]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA09767; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:13:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801160013.QAA09767@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ken K. Yee" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 16:11:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:35:54 -0500, Ken K. Yee wrote: > >> prefer that it didn't. Re finding them, they're not -that- hard >> to find, if you can afford them. > >It's a shame IBM isn't into the steep price cuts that every >other vendor seems to be doing nowadays :-( > Well, there's IBM for you. They've always made money, even with ludicrously high prices. Like $800 for a 4x external SCSI-2 CD-ROM (just because it is in an external case, and in the RS/6000 catalog. Otherwise, nothing special!) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 14h 54m 37s 914ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 19:32:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274560742; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:32:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16563; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:27:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16374; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16362; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09313; Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:27:28 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:27:28 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801160027.AA09313@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Seems quite fair, FUD = Fear-Uncertainty-[and]-Doubt typically referring to spreading rumours about products based on groundless fears. Seems quite appropriate in this case, since you persist: <> So, my advice to others is: this *is* indeed FUD, and the design of the Thinkpad in this respect is far superior to any other notebook I have used (and I have used a lot of notebooks). In particular it is far better than the ludicrous under-the-keyboard design of earlier TP's, and it is also better than other laptops with slide in components that are not well enough locked (all the Tecras I have used suffer from slipping out batteries sometimes). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 19:34:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274850885; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:34:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17015; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:33:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:31:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16759; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16642; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA07618; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:34:03 -0800 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 In-Reply-To: <199801160016.QAA10344@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >FUD?!?!? FUD?!?!? That was unkind! ;-) > What does FUD mean anyways? Fear, Unceartainty, Doubt. Often related to something like Microsoft announcing that they writing a new package years before it ships to confuse the market and keep them from buying a competitors [probably superior] product in the meantime. They will also announce a huge and rich feature set only to throw out half of it before it ships. In the meantime it allows the vaporware product to take marketshare away from competitors who can't really compete against something that doesn't exist yet. Does the ~2 years of hype before Win95 shipped ring a bell? How about the ~2 years it'll take from the time of announcement before Win97, oh wait, I mean Win98 ships? ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 19:39:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA276011166; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:39:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17319; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:36:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17217; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17205; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09442; Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:35:54 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:35:54 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801160035.AA09442@nile.gnat.com> To: kenyee@keysolutions.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> There is only one way to measure a price as ludicrously high, and that is if no one pays it. Any other measure is some kind of wooly idealistic thinking, often backed up by zero information about real costs of things. What's the last time you walked into a store and saw a stack of high end thinkpads which no one wanted to buy? Personally, I had to do a LOT of searching to find my 770, they were VERY hard to get hold of, and the story was the same over and over again, suppliers had immediately sold all they had. That being said, the critical thing with buying note books is always to try things out. You would be surprised how little you can trust other people's reactions. My brother bought a Micron, but found out that if he played CD's on it, there was too much static -- he and a whole bunch of other people took advantage of the 30 day money back guarantee and returned it (he since bought a Dell which he really likes, but I find the trackball on it totally unusable). It is VERY important to try out notebooks. Perhaps you will be lucky and decide that a less expensive one is the one you prefer best. Unfortunately that never seems to happen to me! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 20:00:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279042412; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:00:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18261; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:57:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:55:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18101; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18086; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 19:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09676; Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:54:36 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:54:36 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801160054.AA09676@nile.gnat.com> To: pkhoury@loop.com, sparker@torgo.punk.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Steve Parker says << Fear, Unceartainty, Doubt. Often related to something like Microsoft announcing that they writing a new package years before it ships to confuse the market and keep them from buying a competitors [probably superior] product in the meantime. They will also announce a huge and rich feature set only to throw out half of it before it ships. In the meantime it allows the vaporware product to take marketshare away from competitors who can't really compete against something that doesn't exist yet. >> No, that does not quite catch the normal usage. Here you are complaining about vaporware, which is not the same as FUD. Not to me anyway. FUD is when you create non-justifiable worries about something. FOr example Microsoft might say Well we could remove Explorer using the remove feature, but we cannot guarantee that Win95 works if you do this. Yes, we understand that it *seems* to work, but that may be an illusion, we just can't guarantee anything if you do that. Or a sales person might say. Well you have to be careful about using free software, I have heard stories of people losing their shirts because of problems with patents that were violated. Or you might say: You have to be careful with machines like the TP770, the batteries might fall out :-) :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 20:23:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283243838; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:23:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19655; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:20:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19404; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19383; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts13.loop.net (p24.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA22967; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:19:36 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801160119.RAA22967@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Robert Dewar" , "sparker@torgo.punk.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:18:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 98 19:54:36 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >Steve Parker says > ><< Fear, Unceartainty, Doubt. Often related to something like Microsoft >announcing that they writing a new package years before it ships to >confuse the market and keep them from buying a competitors [probably >superior] product in the meantime. They will also announce a huge and >rich feature set only to throw out half of it before it ships. In the >meantime it allows the vaporware product to take marketshare away from >competitors who can't really compete against something that doesn't exist >yet. >>> > >No, that does not quite catch the normal usage. Here you are complaining >about vaporware, which is not the same as FUD. > >Not to me anyway. > >FUD is when you create non-justifiable worries about something. FOr example >Microsoft might say > >Well we could remove Explorer using the remove feature, but we cannot >guarantee that Win95 works if you do this. Yes, we understand that it >*seems* to work, but that may be an illusion, we just can't guarantee >anything if you do that. > >Or a sales person might say. Well you have to be careful about using free >software, I have heard stories of people losing their shirts because of >problems with patents that were violated. > >Or you might say: You have to be careful with machines like the TP770, >the batteries might fall out :-) :-) > > I think I like the Microsoft analogy better. 99% of their stuff seems to me (IMHO) that it is just utter crap. Well, just my 2 cents anyways. Now, that's a good meaning of FUD. Or Apple actually shipping out an upgrade ON TIME, or making a profit. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 101 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 16h 0m 56s 148ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 20:26:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283523978; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:26:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19833; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:21:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19499; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19480; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts13.loop.net (p24.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.189]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA23339; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:21:23 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801160121.RAA23339@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Parker" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 17:19:50 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:34:00 -0800 (PST), Steve Parker wrote: >On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> >FUD?!?!? FUD?!?!? That was unkind! ;-) >> What does FUD mean anyways? > > Fear, Unceartainty, Doubt. Often related to something like Microsoft >announcing that they writing a new package years before it ships to >confuse the market and keep them from buying a competitors [probably >superior] product in the meantime. They will also announce a huge and >rich feature set only to throw out half of it before it ships. In the >meantime it allows the vaporware product to take marketshare away from >competitors who can't really compete against something that doesn't exist >yet. > > Does the ~2 years of hype before Win95 shipped ring a bell? How about >the ~2 years it'll take from the time of announcement before Win97, oh >wait, I mean Win98 ships? > Actually, after I suffered from the lies about this multitasking crap that Windows 3.x/95 promises, I told myself I'd never return, and all this Windows 95 stuff hasn't been too siginifcant to me anyways. None of my computers run a M$-O$! :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 16h 2m 42s 7ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 20:52:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA286555570; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:52:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20824; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:45:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20620; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20607; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:48:41 -0500 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD21F6.49AAE590@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:51 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD21F6.49AAE590@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: ThinkPad List Subject: Hitachi HDs, asst'd thoughts, was RE: Thinkpad 770 Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:50 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Actually, after I suffered from the lies about this multitasking crap that >Windows 3.x/95 promises, I told myself I'd never return, and all this Windows >95 stuff hasn't been too siginifcant to me anyways. > >None of my computers run a M$-O$! >:-) Thank you for you novel thoughts. Could we please reduce the OS-War snippets to Thinkpad related or at least very funny comments? I believe it is mentioned in the welcoming message by now that PK does not appreciate Microsoft products. Especially long time listmembers do not need be reminded more than, say, every month or so. On another thread, my TP701 needs a bigger HD. Does anyone have any experience with Hitachi 2.5" 12mm drives, or should I stick with Toshiba? I have no fear of the Butterfly's drives falling out, btw. ;) axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 21:03:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288206223; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:03:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21593; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:00:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21367; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:00:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21354; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA10484; Thu, 15 Jan 98 20:59:44 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 20:59:44 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801160159.AA10484@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, sparker@torgo.punk.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul said <> Whether Microsoft stuff is junk or not has nothing to do with the point, but FUD is when you create fear about a *competitors* products, it has nothing to do with whether your products are junk. I really think that FUD is a useful term, and it is unfortunate to try to generalize it to something that seems so vague as to be meaningless. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 21:08:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA289066531; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:08:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21999; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:04:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21777; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:04:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21759; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA10583; Thu, 15 Jan 98 21:04:16 EST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 21:04:16 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801160204.AA10583@nile.gnat.com> To: axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hitachi HDs, asst'd thoughts, was RE: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Yes indeed. For those who actualy enjoy silly flame wars on operating systems (yes, amazingly there are such people), there are advocacy groups on usenet that can make them welcome :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 23:41:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009095668; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:41:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26695; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:38:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26505; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:38:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26492; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:37:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts10.loop.net (p21.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.96]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA27966; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:37:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801160437.UAA27966@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 20:36:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hitachi HDs, asst'd thoughts, was RE: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:43:50 -0500, Axel Hartmann wrote: >>Actually, after I suffered from the lies about this multitasking crap that >>Windows 3.x/95 promises, I told myself I'd never return, and all this Windows >>95 stuff hasn't been too siginifcant to me anyways. >> >>None of my computers run a M$-O$! >>:-) > >Thank you for you novel thoughts. Could we please reduce the OS-War snippets >to Thinkpad related or at least very funny comments? > Okay, sorry. >I believe it is mentioned in the welcoming message by now that PK does not >appreciate Microsoft products. Especially long time listmembers do not need >be reminded more than, say, every month or so. > Just be thankful I'm not the Speaker of the House, voting the anti-Microsoft bill. Speaking of Bill, just be glad he isn't pres of the US, either. Okay, back to business. :-) >On another thread, my TP701 needs a bigger HD. Does anyone have any >experience with Hitachi 2.5" 12mm drives, or should I stick with Toshiba? > >I have no fear of the Butterfly's drives falling out, btw. ;) > I think that the 701's components are very sturdy, though I do like the opening keyboard. I just hope I'm not the only one here who does, though. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 19h 19m 11s 171ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 15 23:42:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA009405779; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:42:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26950; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:41:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26860; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:41:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26787; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 23:41:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts10.loop.net (p21.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.96]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA01240; Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801160440.UAA01240@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Robert Dewar" Date: Thu, 15 Jan 98 20:38:38 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hitachi HDs, asst'd thoughts, was RE: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 15 Jan 98 21:04:16 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><appreciate Microsoft products. Especially long time listmembers do not need >be reminded more than, say, every month or so. >>> > >Yes indeed. For those who actualy enjoy silly flame wars on operating >systems (yes, amazingly there are such people), there are advocacy groups >on usenet that can make them welcome :-) > Sorry, must've been the caffeine from having 42oz. of Pepsi in the last 2 hours when I wrote this. :-) I'll try to mellow down now. :-) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 19h 21m 0s 882ms. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. !os2stats From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 08:50:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077628626; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:50:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15954; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:49:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:48:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15788; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:48:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (wwwfep00.us.hsanet.net [209.116.152.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15776; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:48:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net by webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA20310; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:48:05 GMT Message-Id: <34BF6519.82ED7B48@HSAnet.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 06:48:09 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 References: <9801160027.AA09313@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert Dewar wrote: > < > Seems quite fair, FUD = Fear-Uncertainty-[and]-Doubt > > typically referring to spreading rumours about products based on groundless > fears. Seems quite appropriate in this case, since you persist: > > < that in this case. The President of HSAnet has one and I've messed with > it. It's certainly convenient, but I still remember those batteries > flying out the front of the early Thinkpad 700s... > >> > > So, my advice to others is: this *is* indeed FUD, and the design of the > Thinkpad in this respect is far superior to any other notebook I have > used (and I have used a lot of notebooks). > > In particular it is far better than the ludicrous under-the-keyboard design > of earlier TP's, and it is also better than other laptops with slide in > components that are not well enough locked (all the Tecras I have used > suffer from slipping out batteries sometimes). I *like* the "ludicrous under-the-keyboard design"! Perhaps you don't put your notebooks through what I do on a day-to-day basis. Perhaps you've not had the problems I have had in the past. Perhaps you don't doubt the logevity as I do since you may change models more often than I. I have used the 770 a bit, and it seems a nice design. I still think that we have yet to see how the latches they have used hold up to hard use. I would probably buy a 770 anyway. I just wanted to say that *I* _personally_ am a bit nervous about that single part of the design. I recognize that it's an emotional response on my part, but I don't see any reason to not mention it or to merely label it FUD as you have done. I don't have a problem suggesting/recommending the 770 to people, however. I just think that it's worth my commenting on my nervousness about this. I have been carrying Thinkpads since the first one was available in the very early 90s, so I think I have some experience from which to speak. -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 10:14:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088833645; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:14:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17280; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:20:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17168; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17156; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA15905; Fri, 16 Jan 98 09:20:25 EST Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 09:20:25 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801161420.AA15905@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Yup, I still label it as FUD. There is absolutely ZERO reason to worry about the latches failing. Actually, pointing to a particular bit of technology, and with no good reason at all [in this case not even having seen it!] asking ominously "what if it failed?" is classical FUD. Are you absolutely sure you don't work for Toshiba :-) Anyway, my opinion, having examined the technology in question is that this is the most solid design I have seen for external batteries. Your worries are completely groundless. One of the major attractions of the Toshiba was a relatively decent battery design which would allow one to change a battery without dismantling the machine (and in particular without unplugging the CDROM - what an incredible goof in design that was). On the other hand, the lack of positive latching on the Toshiba did on a couple of occasions cause me the annoyance of battery fallout (although to be fair this was when using 720 batteries on a 740 -- I can't see that the little bit of plasic crap that is in question makes a difference, but who knows). THe 770 design is really nice. The devices fit snugly in their bays, and indeed require quite a bit of effort to dislodge. The mechanism is first to release the catch on the front. This frees the device and releases a lever on the front. The device is still nowhere near coming out of its slot. You can turn the machine on its side and shake it and the device (battery, CD ROM etc) is not about to come out, even with the latch released. To release it you have to apply quite a considerable amount of force on the front panel lever, and then the device dislodges and you can then remove it. Once again, the thing I really like is that you can pop a battery in either side, and change one while the other is going, so that you can change batteries without even having to suspend (if you don't need the CD ROM right then). The other thing I think is improved in the design is the keyboard. SO far, it feels much better than the 760 keyboard, which was a piece of junk, and indeed IBM had to redesign it (I never did see the redesigned version). I am sure that it helps not to have to make it tilt like the old one (that tilting mechanism was also a real design flaw. For one thing it made the machine noiser, and I disliked the way the entire keyboard bounced up and down as you typed on it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 12:58:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA114243519; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:58:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28077; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:46:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27790; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:46:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (wwwfep00.us.hsanet.net [209.116.152.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27774; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net by webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA21091; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:46:15 GMT Message-Id: <34BF9CEB.E8E42912@HSAnet.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:46:19 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 References: <9801161420.AA15905@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To be clear to the rest of you, I have seend and used the 770. My concerns are based on my own use of the machine and some nagging doubts. They are merely my opinion, however, and they wouldn't stop me from purchasing the machine -- I'd just be more careful. This is my final post on this topic. I apologize if I've caused an inappropriate flurry of activity on this list; that was certainly not my intent! -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 16:47:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154987274; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:47:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12353; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:32:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11881; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:32:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11860; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/spammer) with SMTP id PAA01477 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:25:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34BFD271.479A@anet-dfw.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:34:41 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Audio on ThinkPad 360PE (750P) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For my "question of the week": I have the audio feature on my TP360PE and it's working fine. It's using a file called IBMMME.DRV, which is a Windows 3.1 driver. However, Win95 says it's running optimally. Is this DRV file 32-bit, does anyone know? Also, I've never been able to display the Win95 sound control applet on my taskbar. If I try to run it, it tells me there aren't any mixer devices installed. If I go into Multi Media settings and double click the mixer device, it says one isn't installed and to go to add/remove programs. I know I specifically asked for all the applets that come with Win95 (even those that aren't checked by default don't you know). Is this a compatibility issue? Is there any mixer device out there that I could use? I just like having the sound control/mute running in the task bar. I have the Win 3.1 audio applet that lets you control audio volume, but it's difficult to use. Anyway, just wondering... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 16:48:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155077300; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:48:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12351; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:33:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11972; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [198.7.0.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11894; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [166.84.192.36] (artliss.dialup.access.net [166.84.192.36]) by mail1.panix.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/PanixM1.3) with SMTP id QAA00818 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:32:49 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801162132.QAA00818@mail1.panix.com> Subject: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 16:33:15 -0500 X-Sender: artliss@popserver.panix.com X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v2, June 6, 1997 From: "Arthur S. Liss" To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I called PC Mall today to order 984831U, the 233 13.1 4GB NT preloaded machine. I was told the machine has been discontinued! If you want NT you have to buy it separately($279) and install it. Is it true? Most IBM competitors(I've looked at Micron and DEC) are offering NT preloads. I am amazed to see IBM drop this model! Is this a step in reconfiguring the 770 product line? Should I wait a while before I buy? Thanks Arthur S. Liss New York, NY artliss@marineart.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 20:16:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186029793; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:16:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19509; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:15:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19094; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19073; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (buzbay85.capecod.net [208.204.66.85]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19118 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:12 -0500 Message-Id: <34C00317.5C62909A@capecod.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:02:15 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Warp 4, Fixpack 5, Mwave Modem and answering machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP760XD running both Win95 and Warp 4 with Fixpack 5. I also have Faxworks Pro for OS2 Ver 3.0 Faxworks makes a lot of noise about its voice functions not being compatible with the IBM MWave Modem and the OS-2 driver support provided by IBM for the MWave. I'd like to have the same voice processing capability with OS2 as that provided by Call Center(Bundled with the machine) running under Win95. Does anyone know of an OS-2 software package that works as reliably as Call Center does under Win95? Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 20:17:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186099824; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:17:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19508; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19117; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19078; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (buzbay85.capecod.net [208.204.66.85]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19110 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:11:09 -0500 Message-Id: <34C0026D.FF55008F@capecod.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:59:25 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP760XD and DVD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone tried to marry the TP760XD with a DVD, either in the ultra bay or in a docking station? Given that the machine supports MPEG-2 do you still need a DVD adapter and special software? Does WARP V 4 with FIXPAK 5 contain all the necessary drivers? Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 21:44:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA200915093; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:44:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22097; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:41:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21955; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21938; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts12.loop.net (p19.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.154]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06375; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:41:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801170241.SAA06375@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "ssh@hsanet.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 18:39:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 98 09:20:25 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><put your notebooks through what I do on a day-to-day basis. I agree on that. I liked it as well, because everything was convinent, and that was another factor which prompted me to buy the 355C. Perhaps >you've not had the problems I have had in the past. Perhaps you don't >doubt the logevity as I do since you may change models more often than >I. I have used the 770 a bit, and it seems a nice design. I still think >that we have yet to see how the latches they have used hold up to hard >use. >>> > >Yup, I still label it as FUD. There is absolutely ZERO reason to worry >about the latches failing. Actually, pointing to a particular bit of >technology, and with no good reason at all [in this case not even having >seen it!] asking ominously "what if it failed?" is classical FUD. Are >you absolutely sure you don't work for Toshiba :-) > If Steve say's he's owned ThinkPads since the first one came out, then I think not. :-) >Anyway, my opinion, having examined the technology in question is that >this is the most solid design I have seen for external batteries. Your >worries are completely groundless. > Well, I wouldn't say that. >One of the major attractions of the Toshiba was a relatively decent battery >design which would allow one to change a battery without dismantling the >machine (and in particular without unplugging the CDROM - what an incredible >goof in design that was). > >On the other hand, the lack of positive latching on the Toshiba did on a >couple of occasions cause me the annoyance of battery fallout (although to >be fair this was when using 720 batteries on a 740 -- I can't see that the >little bit of plasic crap that is in question makes a difference, but who >knows). > >THe 770 design is really nice. The devices fit snugly in their bays, and >indeed require quite a bit of effort to dislodge. The mechanism is first >to release the catch on the front. This frees the device and releases a >lever on the front. The device is still nowhere near coming out of its >slot. You can turn the machine on its side and shake it and the device >(battery, CD ROM etc) is not about to come out, even with the latch >released. To release it you have to apply quite a considerable amount >of force on the front panel lever, and then the device dislodges and >you can then remove it. > >Once again, the thing I really like is that you can pop a battery in >either side, and change one while the other is going, so that you can >change batteries without even having to suspend (if you don't need the >CD ROM right then). > For me, I don't really care, just as long as I can change the batteries. And for me, I probably couldn't afford to buy another battery anyways. :-) >The other thing I think is improved in the design is the keyboard. SO far, >it feels much better than the 760 keyboard, which was a piece of junk, and >indeed IBM had to redesign it (I never did see the redesigned version). >I am sure that it helps not to have to make it tilt like the old one (that >tilting mechanism was also a real design flaw. For one thing it made the >machine noiser, and I disliked the way the entire keyboard bounced up and >down as you typed on it. > If you think that is bad, try the TrackWrite keyboard. IMO, that thing is a piece of crap, and for that reason, I would never buy a 701 again (unless the price was UNBEATABLE!). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 106 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 17h 22m 31s 500ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 21:50:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201425415; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:50:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22436; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:49:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:48:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22354; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22342; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts12.loop.net (p19.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.154]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06606; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:48:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801170248.SAA06606@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Steve Hultquist" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 18:47:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:46:19 -0700, Steve Hultquist wrote: >To be clear to the rest of you, I have seend and used the 770. My >concerns are based on my own use of the machine and some nagging doubts. >They are merely my opinion, however, and they wouldn't stop me from >purchasing the machine -- I'd just be more careful. > >This is my final post on this topic. I apologize if I've caused an >inappropriate flurry of activity on this list; that was certainly not my >intent! That's okay, these are good topics (probably better than my OS flames ) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 106 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 17h 29m 54s 710ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 21:52:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201715559; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:52:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22756; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:51:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22611; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22580; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:50:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts12.loop.net (p19.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.154]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06662; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801170250.SAA06662@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" , "rdietric" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 18:49:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP760XD and DVD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:59:25 -0500, rdietric wrote: >Has anyone tried to marry the TP760XD with a DVD, either in the ultra >bay or in a docking station? Given that the machine supports MPEG-2 do >you still need a DVD adapter and special software? Does WARP V 4 with >FIXPAK 5 contain all the necessary drivers? > I think that Warp 4 would need specific DVD drivers. And yes, you usually need a special PCI interface board for a DVD device. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 106 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 17h 32m 0s 531ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 21:59:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202345963; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:59:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23013; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:53:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22915; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22900; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts12.loop.net (p19.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.154]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06725; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 18:52:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801170252.SAA06725@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "rdietric" , "ThinkPad List" , "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 18:51:21 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp 4, Fixpack 5, Mwave Modem and answering machine Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:02:15 -0500, rdietric wrote: >I have a TP760XD running both Win95 and Warp 4 with Fixpack 5. I also >have Faxworks Pro for OS2 Ver 3.0 Faxworks makes a lot of noise about >its voice functions not being compatible with the IBM MWave Modem and >the OS-2 driver support provided by IBM for the MWave. I'd like to have >the same voice processing capability with OS2 as that provided by Call >Center(Bundled with the machine) running under Win95. Does anyone know >of an OS-2 software package that works as reliably as Call Center does >under Win95? > If such an application existed, I'd rush out to buy it. Even though I LOVE having OS/2 on my machine, I still miss not being able to use the Call Center, since there have been times where I urgently needed it. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 106 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 17h 33m 55s 0ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 22:17:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204687067; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:17:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23764; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:16:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23663; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23651; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:16:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-32-100-79-52 (slip-32-100-79-213.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.213]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA56544 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:15:51 GMT Message-Id: <34BFFE9E.52CE@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:10 -0500 From: PierreJovanovic Reply-To: amon14@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Fonts on Thinkpad under OS2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On my 765, the display of the fonts and the icons is twice the size... and particulary ugly. So I searched everywhere how to resolve this VERY ennoying part of the OS/2 driver. I find a program called smallfonts and, despite all the warnings in it, worked perectely fine with my Thinkpad. The program needs to know what is the video device's DLL. On the Thinkpad (under os2 ) it's called DRAGON DLL. (on the last os2 thinkpad driver) Now, I have, Finally a nice layout of the screen, with small icons and small fonts, ANybody interested, drop me a line. Pierre PS: the 64 mega memory "Viking" for thinkpad is at $199 at Insight. Pierre ======================================== http://www.malibubrain.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 22:21:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205157302; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:21:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24164; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:20:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24008; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from resudox.net (root@resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23994; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.rogers.wave.ca (pc-15568.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.93.105]) by resudox.net (8.8.5/8.7.3/resudox) with SMTP id WAA29598 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:20:20 -0500 Message-Id: <000c01bd22f6$fa0b84c0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> From: "Philip Hogarth" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: changing network settings Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:21:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm using a ThinkPad 770 with Win 95. At work, I'm connected via the office LAN to an ISDN line. At home, I'm using a cable modem. Both of these connections call for different network settings (IP address, subnet mask, DNS, etc.). So every day I'm changing these settings twice. Is there any way to automate this process? There's gotta be software that allows for multiple network settings...but I can't find it! It's not a particularly big deal but I have to re-boot each time. Thanks. Philip Hogarth Partner, Director-Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We're the "digITal Brand Launch Machine" Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 Toronto: 416-363-7938 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 22:29:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206227776; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:29:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24569; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:28:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24404; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from resudox.net (root@resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24388; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:27:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.rogers.wave.ca (pc-15568.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.93.105]) by resudox.net (8.8.5/8.7.3/resudox) with SMTP id WAA29696 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:28:09 -0500 Message-Id: <000e01bd22f8$11666940$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> From: "Philip Hogarth" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: dead phone jack on 770 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:29:06 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My phone jack hasn't worked since I was forced to scrub my drive and re-install everything with the supplied recovery CD. ThinkPad phone support says it's most likely a hardware issue and that I should send it in. I'd rather not as I only use the phone jack when I'm out of town. My question is, could the phone jack be affected by the hard drive scrub? Is it in any way software-dependent? (The modem's fine...it's just the phone jack - no dial tone. Ring Central doesn't function either. No dial tone.) Thanks. Philip Hogarth Partner, Director-Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We're the "digITal Brand Launch Machine" Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 Toronto: 416-363-7938 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 22:46:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA208628799; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:46:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25187; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:43:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25004; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24992; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts13.loop.net (p11.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.176]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA08458; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801170343.TAA08458@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "amon14@ibm.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 19:42:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fonts on Thinkpad under OS2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:43:10 -0500, PierreJovanovic wrote: >On my 765, the display of the fonts and the icons >is twice the size... and particulary ugly. > >So I searched everywhere how to resolve this >VERY ennoying part of the OS/2 driver. > >I find a program called smallfonts and, despite all >the warnings in it, worked perectely fine with my Thinkpad. > >The program needs to know what is the video device's DLL. > >On the Thinkpad (under os2 ) it's called DRAGON DLL. (on the >last os2 thinkpad driver) > >Now, I have, Finally a nice layout of the screen, with small icons and >small fonts, > >ANybody interested, drop me a line. > BTW, you could also drag and drop a comforable font size in the Font Palette window in System Setup. Just point to a desirable font (or change on first), drag it onto the desktop, and release. Press the ALT key while doing that to make it a global change. Now for the icons, I'm not too sure about changing those, though. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 98 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 18h 24m 40s 867ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 23:41:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216252080; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:41:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26400; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:39:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26310; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:39:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26298; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:39:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08112; Fri, 16 Jan 98 23:39:03 EST Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 23:39:03 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801170439.AA08112@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <<><put your notebooks through what I do on a day-to-day basis. >> My notebook is on permanently, and is used about 16 hours a day. During the remaining 8 hours it is running very intensive computing jobs. It is never idle. I definitely find that notebooks tend not to be built for this kind of use. In 10 months I went through four keyboards on my last Toshiba, and I completely destroyed the keyboard of my 760! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 23:44:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216542289; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:44:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26702; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:43:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26612; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26599; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts13.loop.net (p11.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.176]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA10635; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801170442.UAA10635@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "ssh@hsanet.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 20:41:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 98 23:39:03 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><<><>put your notebooks through what I do on a day-to-day basis. >>> > >My notebook is on permanently, and is used about 16 hours a day. During >the remaining 8 hours it is running very intensive computing jobs. It >is never idle. > >I definitely find that notebooks tend not to be built for this kind >of use. In 10 months I went through four keyboards on my last >Toshiba, and I completely destroyed the keyboard of my 760! > Buy an external PS/2 keyboard. I can get a very high quality one for under $20 (soon I can get the click keyboard for that range!). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 102 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 19h 24m 18s 492ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 23:48:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217382530; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:48:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27042; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:47:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26952; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26939; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08309; Fri, 16 Jan 98 23:47:11 EST Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 23:47:11 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801170447.AA08309@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> My notebook is far too mobile for this to be a viable alternative. One of the reasons that I use a notebook is to have an absolutely consistent computing interface, regardless of whether I am in a plane, train, or at home :-) So far though, the 770 keyboard seems excellent. THe space bar is occasionally a bit noisy, but overall, the best notebook keyboard I have seen so far, but I guess one should reserve judgment till I have pounded on it a couple of months. I must say, I find it quite remarkable to prefer NOT to run at maximum brightness all the time. By the way, I am getting about 2 hours 50 minutes from the batteries (that's with two 64meg mem modules installed). (and of course everything on high power, no power saving stuff, except for the screen, which is at normal rather than bright intensity). (quite bright enough for almost any use). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 16 23:58:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218323091; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:58:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27562; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:57:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:56:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27470; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27452; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts13.loop.net (p11.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.176]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20469; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 20:55:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801170455.UAA20469@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "ssh@hsanet.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 20:54:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 16 Jan 98 23:47:11 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><under $20 (soon I can get the click keyboard for that range!). >>> > >My notebook is far too mobile for this to be a viable alternative. One >of the reasons that I use a notebook is to have an absolutely consistent >computing interface, regardless of whether I am in a plane, train, or >at home :-) > >So far though, the 770 keyboard seems excellent. THe space bar is >occasionally a bit noisy, but overall, the best notebook keyboard >I have seen so far, but I guess one should reserve judgment till >I have pounded on it a couple of months. > Sounds like my $10 keyboard (the one I suggested, originally for a NeXT Step). >I must say, I find it quite remarkable to prefer NOT to run at maximum >brightness all the time. > Wish my 701 had a 14.1" TFT LCD! :-) >By the way, I am getting about 2 hours 50 minutes from the batteries >(that's with two 64meg mem modules installed). >(and of course everything on high power, no power saving stuff, except >for the screen, which is at normal rather than bright intensity). >(quite bright enough for almost any use). > And they make excellent flashlights in the event of a power outage. That happened during the summer when everyone had their air conditioner on (too bad my Linux machine went down, though). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 101 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 19h 37m 15s 539ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 00:06:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA219653604; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:06:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28444; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:05:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:04:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28350; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28325; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 00:04:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-32-100-79-108 (slip-32-100-79-108.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.108]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA89550; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 05:04:00 GMT Message-Id: <34C017F7.23C1@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:31:19 -0500 From: PierreJovanovic Reply-To: amon14@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Fonts on Thinkpad under OS2 References: <199801170343.TAA08458@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, drag and drop doesn't work for all the fonts. And when you have the 1024x700, it really looks bizarre. Pierre ================================== > > BTW, you could also drag and drop a comforable font size in the Font > Palette window in System Setup. > > Just point to a desirable font (or change on first), drag it onto the desktop, > and release. Press the ALT key while doing that to make it a global change. > > Now for the icons, I'm not too sure about changing those, though. > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. > Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! > Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 27 Processes with 98 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 2d 18h 24m 40s 867ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 03:53:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA252837216; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:53:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03808; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:51:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03695; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03682; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 03:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA26966; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:49:35 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA17453; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:53:22 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801170853.WAA17453@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: changing network settings To: hogarth@resudox.net (Philip Hogarth) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 98 22:53:21 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000c01bd22f6$fa0b84c0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca>; from "Philip Hogarth" at Jan 16, 98 10:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Is there any way to automate this process? There's gotta be software that > allows for multiple network settings...but I can't find it! It's not a > particularly big deal but I have to re-boot each time. Browse at www.windows95.com - last I looked, they had several programs for this. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 04:16:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254908599; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:16:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04872; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:16:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:15:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04783; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04769; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 04:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pentium100.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with SMTP id <01ISGTJ8SDP89LVX41@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:15:21 MST Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 02:15:43 -0700 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: NT on a 701CS To: ThinkPad Mailing list Reply-To: greg.alvandian@usu.edu Message-Id: <34C076BF.5613@usu.edu> Organization: USU Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm getting a new hard drive for my 701CS and I would like to install Windows NT on my old drive. I have a panasonic 2X PCMCIA CD-ROM. Any hints on how to install NT on this machine? I made one attempt but it never found my CD-ROM. I haven't done too much reading on installing NT yet. The copy I have came bundled with Visual C++ and has no documantation. How do I get it to recognize I guess the PCMCIA controller card first, then my CD-ROM so it can continue the install? I think the PCMCIA card that comes with the CD-ROM drive is a fujitsu SCSI card but NT doesn't list it as an option and the floppy that came with it doesn't seem to contain any drivers that NT recognizes. I guess I should probably check the Panasonic site. Any steps in the right direction would be appreciated. TIA Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 09:48:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280668535; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:48:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14279; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:45:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14088; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14076; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 09:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx05-29.teleport.com (ip-pdx05-29.teleport.com [206.163.123.158]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA03087 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 06:45:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801171445.GAA03087@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Heavy usage -Was TP 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This talk of heavy usage is a subject I wondered about recently. Do you guys with the heavy usage do any special maintenance? Routine maintenance? Specifically my concerns relate to our movable parts, the keyboard and hinges. My left trackpoint button was getting mushy and the hinge creaks loudly which has me worried. When I called IBM for cleaning/lubrication information they said send it in for service. Goes in Monday. -It leaves me face to face with having to go back to the desktop and wishing I had a back up laptop..:( Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 10:09:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282789784; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:09:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14740; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:03:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14627; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14615; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ts70-05.tor.istar.ca (pent300) [204.191.147.20] by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 1.80 #5) id 0xtZns-0006gf-00; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:04:57 -0500 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980117150234.00a8b17c@mail.inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:02:34 -0500 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: Heavy usage -Was TP 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FWIW, For my heavy user clients I set them up both at home and at the office with a port replicator of some kind with an attached mouse, keyboard, and monitor, etc. The only time the notebook is used "naked" is "on the road". With this setup I've had no problems/complaints... Hugh At 06:45 AM 1/17/98 -0800, you wrote: >This talk of heavy usage is a subject I wondered about recently. Do you >guys with the heavy usage do any special maintenance? Routine maintenance? >Specifically my concerns relate to our movable parts, the keyboard and hinges. > >My left trackpoint button was getting mushy and the hinge creaks loudly >which has me worried. When I called IBM for cleaning/lubrication >information they said send it in for service. Goes in Monday. -It leaves me >face to face with having to go back to the desktop and wishing I had a back >up laptop..:( > >Bryan > > > > > > > > \\\\!//// \\ _ _ // ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 E-mail valliant@micomtech.com http://www.mi-comtech.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 10:11:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282899883; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:11:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15079; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:09:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:08:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14950; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14938; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 10:08:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17596; Sat, 17 Jan 98 10:08:10 EST Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 10:08:10 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801171508.AA17596@nile.gnat.com> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, valliant@micomtech.com Subject: Re: Heavy usage -Was TP 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> I realize that this is a common arrangement, but I dislike it. I want a completely consistent monitor/display situation wherever I am. I type very fast, and adjusting to a new keyboard takes time. ALso I really don't like the big diffrerence between a notebook monitor (down low and tilted) to a CRT (typically higher up and not tilted). All a matter of taste of course, but for me the key thing about a notebook is to provide a completely consistent environment (I do plug into the Ethernet if one is around, but even that I find an annoying difference between being in the office and on the road). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 12:05:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297046714; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:05:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17298; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:01:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17128; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17116; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13705 invoked by uid 66); 17 Jan 1998 17:00:15 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Jan 98 17:50 CET From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: > SuperProbe Version 2.15 (4 August 1997) PLEASE run "X -probeonly" and post the output as well as the XF86Config file that relates to the output. I know what SuperProbe says on that machine which I own myself. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 13:11:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA005390676; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:11:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19088; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:09:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:07:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18942; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18924; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22191 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:05:46 -0700 Message-Id: <34C0F36B.6EFFD828@HSAnet.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:07:39 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: changing network settings References: <199801170853.WAA17453@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Actually, remember that you don't really need to reboot. Just stop and restart your your network card (left click on the PCCard icon on the Task Tray, select "Stop" for your network card, eject it, then re-insert it). -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 13:18:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006701124; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:18:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19543; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:13:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19347; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19333; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 13:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22218; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 12:11:24 -0700 Message-Id: <34C0F4BD.C1FE92F7@HSAnet.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 11:13:17 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Arthur S. Liss" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? References: <199801162132.QAA00818@mail1.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The NT choice is still on IBM's Web page. I suspect you've been misled, but I'd call IBM if you want to be sure. IBM has promised to support NT on the Thinkpad line going forward, so I don't think it likely that they've discontinued it. It may, however, be hard to get! -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 17 19:04:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA061531884; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:04:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03227; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:01:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03045; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03031; Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from kaiser (slip129-37-44-123.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.44.123]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA12216; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 00:00:48 GMT Message-Id: <004a01bd23a5$0231b530$7c74e120@kaiser> From: "Subba Rao" To: , Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 19:06:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Here is the output of X -probeonly and XF86Config. The mouse device does not work. I changed it to point to PSAUX from TTYS0, but no results. GPM cursor in the console mode also does not respond. Thank you for your help in advance. SubbaRao subb3@ibm.net /etc/XF86Config ============= # XF86Config file for TP365XD, TP760CD, TP760ELD, TP760ED Standard Video Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" AutoRepeat 500 5 XkbDisable # XkbKeymap "xfree86(us)" LeftAlt Meta RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose ScrollLock ModeLock EndSection Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "ThinkPad" VendorName "ThinkPad" ModelName "ThinkPad" HorizSync 30 - 80 # kHz VertRefresh 40-150 # Hz Modeline "640x480-60" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 Modeline "640x480-72" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 Modeline "800x600-56" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 Modeline "800x600-60" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync Modeline "800x600-72" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync Modeline "1024x768-87" 44.9 1024 1040 1236 1264 768 769 777 817 Interlace # Modeline "1024x768-60" 65 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # Modeline "1024x768-60" 65 1024 1088 1224 1344 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync Modeline "1024x768-60" 65 1024 1112 1248 1344 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # Modeline "1024x768-70" 75 1024 1088 1224 1328 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # 65 Hz / 53 kHz (works with 9660xgi) # Modeline "1024x768-70" 70 1024 1088 1224 1328 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # 67 Hz / 54.3 kHz (starts to flicker with 9660xgi, OK with 9440agi) # Modeline "1024x768-70" 72 1024 1088 1224 1328 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # 70 Hz, 56 kHz (flickers slightly with 9440agi) # Modeline "1024x768-70" 73 1024 1088 1224 1302 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # 69 Hz, 55.6 kHz (OK with 9440agi) # Modeline "1024x768-70" 72 1024 1088 1224 1302 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # 70 Hz, 56.7 kHz (OK with 9440agi) # Modeline "1024x768-70" 72 1024 1072 1224 1272 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync # 71 Hz, 57.4 kHz (OK with 9440agi) Modeline "1024x768-70" 72 1024 1056 1192 1256 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync Modeline "1024x768-75" 75 1024 1080 1224 1296 768 771 779 806 -hsync -vsync Modeline "960x720-75" 65 960 992 1288 1320 720 725 730 756 # Modeline "1152x900" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "tgui9320" VendorName "tgui9320" BoardName "tgui9320" ChipSet "tgui9440agi" # VideoRam 1024 EndSection Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "tgui9320" Monitor "ThinkPad" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "800x600-56" "1024x768-70" "640x480-60" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 1024 768 EndSubsection EndSection Output of X -probeonly ================== XFree86 Version 3.3.1 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: August 4 1997 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.0.30 i586 [ELF] Configured drivers: SVGA: server for SVGA graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0): NV1, STG2000, ET4000, ET4000W32, ET4000W32i, ET4000W32i_rev_b, ET4000W32i_rev_c, ET4000W32p, ET4000W32p_rev_a, ET4000W32p_rev_b, ET4000W32p_rev_c, ET4000W32p_rev_d, ET6000, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c24, wd90c31, wd90c33, gvga, ati, sis86c201, sis86c202, sis86c205, tvga8200lx, tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga8900d, tvga9000, tvga9000i, tvga9100b, tvga9200cxr, tgui9320lcd, tgui9400cxi, tgui9420, tgui9420dgi, tgui9430dgi, tgui9440agi, tgui96xx, cyber938x, clgd5420, clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd5429, clgd5430, clgd5434, clgd5436, clgd5446, clgd5480, clgd5462, clgd5464, clgd5465, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225, clgd6235, clgd7541, clgd7542, clgd7543, clgd7548, clgd7555, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, mga2064w, mga1064sg, mga2164w, oti067, oti077, oti087, oti037c, al2101, ali2228, ali2301, ali2302, ali2308, ali2401, cl6410, cl6412, cl6420, cl6440, video7, ct65520, ct65525, ct65530, ct65535, ct65540, ct65545, ct65546, ct65548, ct65550, ct65554, ct65555, ct68554, ct64200, ct64300, ark1000vl, ark1000pv, ark2000pv, ark2000mt, mx, realtek, AP6422, AT24, s3_virge, generic (using VT number 7) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: disabled (**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200, 3 button emulation (timeout: 50ms) (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "tgui9320" (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "ThinkPad" (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/us r/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/ X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X 11/fonts/100dpi/" (--) SVGA: PCI: Trident TGUI 9320 rev 227, Memory @ 0x08000000, 0x08200000 (--) SVGA: Revision 3. (--) SVGA: Using Trident programmable clocks (**) SVGA: chipset: tgui9430dgi (--) SVGA: videoram: 1024k (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 80.000 MHz (**) SVGA: Mode "800x600-56": mode clock = 36.000 (**) SVGA: Mode "1024x768-70": mode clock = 72.000 (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480-60": mode clock = 25.175 (**) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 1024x768 (--) SVGA: Generic SpeedUps selected (Flags=0x30) (--) SVGA: Using Linear Frame Buffer at 0x08000000, Size 1MB (--) SVGA: Using Graphics Engine. (--) SVGA: Using 1024 byte display width. -----Original Message----- From: Harald Milz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, January 17, 1998 12:03 PM Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL >Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: >> SuperProbe Version 2.15 (4 August 1997) > >PLEASE run "X -probeonly" and post the output as well as the >XF86Config file that relates to the output. I know what SuperProbe says >on that machine which I own myself. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 18 03:38:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130342707; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:38:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13940; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:37:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:33:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13700; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:33:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13688; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 03:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27162 invoked by uid 66); 18 Jan 1998 08:32:10 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 09:10 CET From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: XF86Config for 760EL To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subba Rao (subb3@ibm.net) wrote: > Here is the output of X -probeonly and XF86Config. The mouse device does not > work. > I changed it to point to PSAUX from TTYS0, but no results. GPM cursor in the > console > mode also does not respond. Are you sure your kernel has support for the PS/2 mouse? I don't have my thinkpad here so I have to guess from my memory but you should see the driver in /proc/devices if it's there. > /etc/XF86Config ... > ChipSet "tgui9440agi" ... > (**) SVGA: chipset: tgui9430dgi Something is badly broken here. You explicitly supply tgui9440agi, but the X server say "supplied 9430dgi"? By the way folks I am leaving this discussion since I am hardly using Linux an my TP any longer... My TP/Linux pages are likely to be discontinued soon - except if someone shows me where to get a Lotus Notes 4.5.x client which runs with iBCS2. The Win16 client with Wabi breaks database replication... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 18 12:58:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA192826315; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:58:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26173; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:54:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25917; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.seanet.com (dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25905; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from seanet.com (c21.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.53]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA21390 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:54:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34C241CB.EB0955EB@seanet.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:54:19 -0800 From: Stew Martin Organization: Law Office of Stewart Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------08E159F1C3AF167BA9F6BBF9" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------08E159F1C3AF167BA9F6BBF9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe -s --------------08E159F1C3AF167BA9F6BBF9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Stew Martin Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Stew Martin n: Martin;Stew email;internet: bizlaw@seanet.com title: Business Attorney x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------08E159F1C3AF167BA9F6BBF9-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 18 14:18:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203831122; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:18:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27637; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:15:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27488; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:15:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (phr@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27475; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA02924 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:15:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:15:24 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199801181915.LAA02924@netcom14.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755 keyboard replacement Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone replaced a keyboard on a 755 series (I have a cx)? Is it hard? Is it expensive? My keyboard works properly, so I probably can't get it fixed under warranty (if my machine is still under warranty, which I'm not sure of); but the keys are getting stiff to type on and I'm fussy about that. I don't want to spend a lot on this machine any more, because it's getting kind of old. Unfortunately I don't like the 76x tilting keyboard, don't like the 380 series Neomagic video chip, can't afford a 770, and wouldn't really see a 560 as an upgrade because of its lack of XGA display. So I'm not sure what to do... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 18 14:42:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207292554; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:42:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28219; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:38:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28109; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28092; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 14:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts11.loop.net (p20.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA04842; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:37:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801181937.LAA04842@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stew Martin" , "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 11:36:14 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 09:54:19 -0800, Stew Martin wrote: >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu with unsubscribe your.address@isp.com -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 12h 53m 19s 953ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 18 15:43:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215376215; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:43:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29720; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:40:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29601; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29589; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ISIUWQ6H8G8X03SP@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:40:27 MST Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:20:22 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 755 keyboard replacement In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:15:24 -0800 (PST)" <199801181915.LAA02924@netcom14.netcom.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ISIVR17KLK8X03SP@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Has anyone replaced a keyboard on a 755 series (I have a cx)? > Is it hard? Is it expensive? My 3 years runs out next month so I just sent mine in. It came back with another used keyboard although it does work a lot better. It doesn't look very hard to do yourself although good eyesight or strong glasses will be necessary as some of the screws are very small. You can order another keyboard (84G6495 for USA English, US$84.75) and then IBM also has a couple spare screw kits (66G5124 for the 755, US$14.75 and a generic 84G6560 for Thinkpads, US$17.75) - one or the other of these might be a good idea just in case something goes flying into the land of the lost... Then there's the Hardware Maintenance Manual (82G1502, I already have this so I didn't get a price) which has detailed instructions on how to do it. There is a warning about not pulling on the three keyboard cables without first releasing the connectors' latches or the cables will be damaged. Anyway I'm planning on keeping my 755 a few more years so I'm ordering a spare keyboard now why they're still available... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 18 15:50:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216026628; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:50:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00145; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:49:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29951; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29934; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 15:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts09.loop.net (p21.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.66]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA11876 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:47:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801182047.MAA11876@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 98 12:46:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755 keyboard replacement Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:20:22 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> Has anyone replaced a keyboard on a 755 series (I have a cx)? >> Is it hard? Is it expensive? > >My 3 years runs out next month so I just sent mine in. It came back with >another used keyboard although it does work a lot better. It doesn't look >very hard to do yourself although good eyesight or strong glasses will be >necessary as some of the screws are very small. You can order another >keyboard (84G6495 for USA English, US$84.75) and then IBM also has a couple >spare screw kits (66G5124 for the 755, US$14.75 and a generic 84G6560 for >Thinkpads, US$17.75) - one or the other of these might be a good idea >just in case something goes flying into the land of the lost... Then >there's the Hardware Maintenance Manual (82G1502, I already have this >so I didn't get a price) which has detailed instructions on how to do it. >There is a warning about not pulling on the three keyboard cables without >first releasing the connectors' latches or the cables will be damaged. > Yeah, they are flex cables, and you have to be careful with them. You pull out on the tabs on the side of the connectors to pull the cables out. >Anyway I'm planning on keeping my 755 a few more years so I'm ordering >a spare keyboard now why they're still available... > Good idea. Now all I need is a spare ThinkPad so I can finally send in my 701 for a new keyboard. Taking that apart is a LIVING NIGHTMARE (been there once before!). -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 14h 3m 56s 320ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 05:42:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA045456540; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:42:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28822; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:37:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28587; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28560; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 05:37:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:37:34 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xuEa4-000tiyA; Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:37 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:24:20 +0100 Message-Id: <34c329d4.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:03:34 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 80MB->104MB? Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! My 760ED currently has 80MB of RAM. I consider upgrading to 104MB. Since 80MB + 32MB = 112 MB, there must be one 8MB module that has to be removed. Now, where is this module? Can it be removed by myself? (Or do I need a soldering iron in order to remove it?) --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 06:25:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA049559159; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:25:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00853; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:24:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00723; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:24:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from atlantic-ocean.carlson-marketing.co.uk (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00710; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:24:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:20:35 -0000 Message-Id: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C275F41@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: New member Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:24:29 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello quick intro:- Pete Murray, residing in the UK, working as a Project Manager. I currently use a 560:- P120 / 8+32 MB RAM / 12.1 TFT / 810 HDD (Double spaced by MS) / Win 95,Office 97,FoxPro 5 etc. I have had this TP for 18 months, no problems, totally reliable. Prior to the 560 I used a 701:- 486-75 / 16 MB RAM / 10.4 TFT / 540 HDD / Win 3.1. I inherited this TP from the MD(It was on my desk when he was sacked!) I loved this machine, fortunately it still around the office! I have a few questions:- I subscribe to the digest, when I receive it, all the emails are embedded in attachments(I use MS Outlook 97) is this normal? I have tried to access the archive for 97 but only Jan and Feb are available! I am desperate to replace my 560, apart from the "Stingray" does anybody know of a forthcoming model(570?) I really need a bigger HDD but I would also like to go up to a 13.3 TFT @ 1024x768 so that rules out to 560x! TIA Pete Murray Direct - 0044 (0)1604 884478 Mobile - 0044 (0)7050 257018 pmurray@carlson-marketing.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 08:12:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058175538; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:12:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04710; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:09:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04357; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.teamquest.com (venus.teamquest.com [199.120.249.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04344; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:09:09 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (smtpgtwy.teamquest.com [199.120.249.99]) by venus.teamquest.com (8.6.9/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA11265 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 07:08:38 -0600 Received: from ccMail by smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA885215015; Mon, 19 Jan 98 07:03:39 -0600 Message-Id: <9801198852.AA885215015@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 07:06:49 -0600 To: Subject: Re: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am very curious about the answer to this too. I have had the 770NT on order since October. The reason I haven't ordered the Win95 model is that I figure if IBM isn't loading NT on their machines, they must have good reason, like poor performance or something like that. Anybody know? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? Author: "Arthur S. Liss" at gateway Date: 1/16/98 4:33 PM I called PC Mall today to order 984831U, the 233 13.1 4GB NT preloaded machine. I was told the machine has been discontinued! If you want NT you have to buy it separately($279) and install it. Is it true? Most IBM competitors(I've looked at Micron and DEC) are offering NT preloads. I am amazed to see IBM drop this model! Is this a step in reconfiguring the 770 product line? Should I wait a while before I buy? Thanks Arthur S. Liss New York, NY artliss@marineart.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 08:36:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060396999; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:36:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05800; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:36:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:35:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05685; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:35:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Penny.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.217]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05668; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01ISJV75RB1CHSX2JT@Arizona.EDU>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:35:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA02938; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:35:10 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:34:38 +0000 From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? In-Reply-To: <9801198852.AA885215015@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu To: emr@teamquest.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980119063438.01e8a9a0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you look at the files available on the IBM PC Web site, there are new ones for the 770 and NT4. Seems to me that they are supporting it. I don't have a 770 but do have a 765D on which I installed NT 4 (SP-3). It works fine. I have had fewer problems with NT than with the preload Win95 (can't suspend/resume or hibernate for some reason with 95 but both work fine with NT on the same physical HD (Win95 preload on C: and NT on D:). Win95 misrecognizes an IBM 100/10 EtherJet PCI card in a SelectaDock2 and it refuses to work. Card works fine with NT (and Solaris x86 2.6 and Warp 4). It isn't that hard to load and configure NT although you do need to download a bunch of files to get all the IBM NT drivers/utilities, etc. My experience is that NT is more stable than 95 on my 765D but netiher is a stable as Solaris but there aren't many applications available for Solaris. My 765D is maxed out at 104 MB RAM, 5GB disk, etc. Stuart At 07:06 AM 1/19/98 -0600, you wrote: > > >I am very curious about the answer to this too. I have had the 770NT on order >since October. The reason I haven't ordered the Win95 model is that I figure if >IBM isn't loading NT on their machines, they must have good reason, like poor >performance or something like that. Anybody know? > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? >Author: "Arthur S. Liss" at gateway >Date: 1/16/98 4:33 PM > > >I called PC Mall today to order 984831U, the 233 13.1 4GB NT preloaded >machine. > >I was told the machine has been discontinued! > >If you want NT you have to buy it separately($279) and install it. > >Is it true? > >Most IBM competitors(I've looked at Micron and DEC) are offering NT >preloads. I am amazed to see IBM drop this model! > >Is this a step in reconfiguring the 770 product line? > >Should I wait a while before I buy? > >Thanks > > >Arthur S. Liss >New York, NY > >artliss@marineart.com > > > > > > Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 08:48:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA061737700; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:48:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06325; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:46:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06197; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06178; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-32-100-79-46 (slip-32-100-79-46.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.79.46]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA30770 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:46:50 GMT Message-Id: <34C33588.136F@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:14:16 -0500 From: PierreJovanovic Reply-To: amon14@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: battery for 770 same as 76x References: <3.0.5.32.19980119063438.01e8a9a0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Stuart F. Biggar wrote: > > If you look at the files available on the IBM PC Web site, > there are new ones for the 770 and NT4. Seems to me that > they are supporting it. > > I don't have a 770 but do have a 765D on which I installed > NT 4 (SP-3). It works fine. I have had fewer problems > with NT than with the preload Win95 (can't suspend/resume > or hibernate for some reason with 95 but both work fine > with NT on the same physical HD (Win95 preload on C: and > NT on D:). Win95 misrecognizes an IBM 100/10 EtherJet PCI > card in a SelectaDock2 and it refuses to work. Card works > fine with NT (and Solaris x86 2.6 and Warp 4). > > It isn't that hard to load and configure NT although you > do need to download a bunch of files to get all the IBM > NT drivers/utilities, etc. > > My experience is that NT is more stable than 95 on my > 765D but netiher is a stable as Solaris but there aren't > many applications available for Solaris. My 765D is > maxed out at 104 MB RAM, 5GB disk, etc. > > Stuart > > At 07:06 AM 1/19/98 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >I am very curious about the answer to this too. I have had the 770NT on > order > >since October. The reason I haven't ordered the Win95 model is that I > figure if > >IBM isn't loading NT on their machines, they must have good reason, like > poor > >performance or something like that. Anybody know? > > > >______________________________ Reply Separator > _________________________________ > >Subject: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? > >Author: "Arthur S. Liss" at gateway > >Date: 1/16/98 4:33 PM > > Just a question: is the 770 lithium ion battery the same as in the 760 series ?? Pierre From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 08:59:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063398387; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:59:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06873; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:58:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06738; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06725; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:58:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18215; Mon, 19 Jan 98 08:58:12 EST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 08:58:12 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801191358.AA18215@nile.gnat.com> To: amon14@ibm.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: battery for 770 same as 76x Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> The answer is NO (in fact one of the irritating things about the THinkpad is the frequency with which the battery design changes! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 09:01:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA063768495; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:01:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07187; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:59:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06892; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (wwwfep00.us.hsanet.net [209.116.152.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06860; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 08:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net by webfep00.us.hsanet.net. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA05447; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:59:04 GMT Message-Id: <34C35C2C.BE73B6F4@HSAnet.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 06:59:08 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: amon14@ibm.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: battery for 770 same as 76x References: <3.0.5.32.19980119063438.01e8a9a0@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> <34C33588.136F@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No way. It's a completely different form factor. PierreJovanovic wrote: > Just a question: > is the 770 lithium ion battery the same as > in the 760 series ?? -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 09:28:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067820084; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:28:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09087; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:27:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:26:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08941; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:26:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08928; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts2p202.port.net (usrts2p202.port.net [207.237.105.202]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19851 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:25:03 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: NT on TP 560 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:25:06 -0500 Message-Id: <34c561c7.5599702@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there any benefit to installing NT on my TP 560 (133mhz, 40mb ram)? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 10:02:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072572136; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:02:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10678; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:59:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10562; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10548; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from faw326er.austria.ibm.com (sungold1.at.ibm.net [152.158.32.129]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25158 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:59:34 GMT Message-Id: <199801191459.OAA25158@out5.ibm.net> From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 16:00:12 +0200 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: IBM PCMCIA CD-ROM under NT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I try to get my IBM CD-400 PCMCIA CD-ROM drive to work under NT 4.0, but there seems to be no driver available. Does anyone know where to get this driver? I found a driver named "cd400nt" on a Japanese IBM server, but it does not work. Any help appreciated! Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 11:33:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088297621; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:33:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17089; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:33:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:29:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16831; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:29:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16819; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03201; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:29:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03196; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:29:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980119112806.009e26f0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:28:06 -0500 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: NT on TP 560 In-Reply-To: <34c561c7.5599702@mail.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:25 AM 1/19/98 -0500, richard wrote: >Is there any benefit to installing NT on my TP 560 (133mhz, 40mb ram)? > It depends on what you're using the TP560 for. I like NT because I think it's more stable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 11:37:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088887872; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:37:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17485; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:35:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17227; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:35:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17215; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03625; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA03620; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:35:07 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980119113327.009f3e00@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:33:27 -0500 To: "Arthur S. Liss" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP770 with NT preload discontinued?? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801162132.QAA00818@mail1.panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:33 PM 1/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >I called PC Mall today to order 984831U, the 233 13.1 4GB NT preloaded >machine. > >I was told the machine has been discontinued! > >If you want NT you have to buy it separately($279) and install it. > >Is it true? > If it is, it may just be that a new model number is coming out. There has been speculation on the CompuServe ThinkPad forum that the 770 will be refreshed to use the 8GB drive and the 266MHz processor. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 11:43:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA089968237; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:43:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17914; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17797; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (cayuga.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17783; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:22 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from slate.cs.rochester.edu (slate.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.101]) by cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/M) with ESMTP id LAA23872 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:15 -0500 Received: from atto.cs.rochester.edu (atto.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.189]) by slate.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/M) with ESMTP id LAA03306 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:14 -0500 Received: (from bukys@localhost) by atto.cs.rochester.edu (SMI-8.6/M++) id LAA11654; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 11:42:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199801191642.LAA11654@atto.cs.rochester.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770 - speaker grille, XF86Config Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Thinkpad 770; it is very nice. The only physical problem is that the grille over one speaker unglued itself almost immediately. Any suggestions on what glue I should use to put it back? (I hesitate to send my machine in over something so trivial.) I have experimented with XF86 Config files for the Cyber9397 graphics; no luck so far, so if anyone has had better luck, please drop me a line. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 13:18:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106333913; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:18:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23541; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:12:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22832; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:12:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22771; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA03041; Mon, 19 Jan 98 13:11:52 EST Sender: root@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <34C39764.7DC82F34@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:11:48 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770 - Accelerated X References: <199801191642.LAA11654@atto.cs.rochester.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am currently using Xi Graphics' Accelerated X (LX) on my 770. I wasn't able to get XF86 running on it, so we went for the commercial X (which we've used extensively on Solaris x86 machines). In fact, we loaned Xi Graphics one of our 770s so they could do the port for us, in exchange for one free copy of LX. The 770 support was completed last week, so it is probably still considered beta. Alas, I believe that LX costs $199. We'll be buying two copies for our other two 770s. So far, it is working great. I am writing this to you in full 1024x768x16 on the LCD. My only connection to Xi Graphics is as a satisfied customer. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 13:25:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA107384316; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:25:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23968; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:21:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:21:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23883; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:20:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23871; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:20:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p26.hwts00.loop.net (p26.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.41]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA01784 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 10:20:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801191820.KAA01784@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 10:19:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just curious, has anyone been able to get OS/2 Warp 4 on a 770? Do you get SVGA with the Cyber chipset? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 20h 47m 1s 460ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 15:19:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128631182; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:19:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01231; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:15:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01148; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01135; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:15:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA04026; Mon, 19 Jan 98 15:15:05 EST Message-Id: <34C3B442.1E930461@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:14:59 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770 - Accelerated X References: <199801191642.LAA11654@atto.cs.rochester.edu> <34C39764.7DC82F34@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <34C3B315.C8079DC3@HSAnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry, I meant 16-bit color, meaning 64k. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 15:20:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128781200; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:20:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00745; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:12:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:10:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00458; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00427; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from HSAnet.net (dhcp-232.us.hsanet.net [209.49.199.232] (may be forged)) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01585; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:08:15 -0700 Message-Id: <34C3B315.C8079DC3@HSAnet.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:09:57 -0700 From: Steve Hultquist Organization: HSAnet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Hetherington Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770 - Accelerated X References: <199801191642.LAA11654@atto.cs.rochester.edu> <34C39764.7DC82F34@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lee Hetherington wrote: > So far, it is working great. I am writing this to you in full > 1024x768x16 on the LCD. 16? Why not 64k? -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 15:26:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130031603; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:26:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01698; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:18:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01506; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01477; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:18:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from xena (ppp-207-214-212-199.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.212.199]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id MAA29646 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:17:57 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34C3B2DC.92813F08@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 12:09:00 -0800 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: ba.market.computers To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: FS: Thinkpad Items- 560, Dock II X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the following items for sale: IBM 560 port replicator p/n: 46H4209 ------------------------------------------------ new in box, never used. specs: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/options/products/60c2_62e.html Sell for: $60.00 plus s/h IBM 560 1.0gb hard disk (internal) p/n: 46H209 ----------------------------------------------------- same as above,new never used, but I lost the manual (no big deal) Couldn't find any specs on IBM's web page Sell for: $100.00 plus s/h IBM Dock II p/n: 3546001 -------------------------------------------- this is a nice docking station with all the ports you would need. Look at the specs for the exact ports, contains an internal SCSI IBM 4x CDROM (it's black) internal IDE 2.0 gb drive. ThinkPad Docking Station for 760, 750, 755, 701 & 360, 2 ISA full size 16-bit expansion slots, 2 Type I/II or 1 Type III PCMCIA slots, Plug & Play ready, Includes headphone jack, internal speakers, Dock II has a SCSI subsystem standard on the planar, featuring: Complete ASPI, SCSI-2 capability. This alos has the full compliemtns of standard i/o ports (2 serial, parrallel, mouse, keyboard, video, scsi-2, ext. floppy). I have the manual but I am missing the packaging. Again, I couldn't find any specs on IBM's page Sell for $200.00 plus s/h Thanks, Richard Hamel rhamel@pacbell.net Santa Clara, CA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 15:44:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132952643; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:44:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03727; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:41:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:40:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03645; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03633; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA51550 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 14:15:49 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BD24F1.580F7C10@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:46:01 -0500 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: Thinkpad , Philip Hogarth Subject: RE: changing network settings Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:38:03 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 43 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu WIn 95 allows different hw configs - try playing with them & switching manually between them. It's under ControlPanel-System-HardwareProfiles. Are you in Ottawa? Tom T. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, MCI Systemhouse *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Philip Hogarth[SMTP:hogarth@resudox.net] >Sent: 1998 January 16 - Friday 22:21 >To: Thinkpad >Subject: changing network settings > >I'm using a ThinkPad 770 with Win 95. At work, I'm connected via the office >LAN to an ISDN line. At home, I'm using a cable modem. Both of these >connections call for different network settings (IP address, subnet mask, >DNS, etc.). So every day I'm changing these settings twice. > >Is there any way to automate this process? There's gotta be software that >allows for multiple network settings...but I can't find it! It's not a >particularly big deal but I have to re-boot each time. > >Thanks. > > >Philip Hogarth >Partner, Director-Web Services >digIT Interactive Inc. >hogarth@digit.ca > >We're the "digITal Brand Launch Machine" >Experience our results at www.digit.ca >Ottawa: 613-729-0515 >Toronto: 416-363-7938 > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 17:01:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147937281; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:01:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04317; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:45:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03958; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03920; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10532 invoked by uid 66); 19 Jan 1998 20:44:14 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 21:11 CET From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: TP770 - speaker grille, XF86Config To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > I have experimented with XF86 Config files for the Cyber9397 > graphics; no luck so far, so if anyone has had better luck, > please drop me a line. Which XFree86 version did you try? Currently, you have to either install Accelerated-X or X_Suse (www.suse.de). Other XFree86 versions don't support this chip. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 17:10:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149227844; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:10:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04541; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:46:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04007; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:46:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03921; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 15:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10538 invoked by uid 66); 19 Jan 1998 20:44:15 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 21:16 CET From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (fwd) XSuSE: Cyber 9397 support and acceleration for Riva128 Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.x Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those asking for TP770 and XFree86 support... From: hohndel@suse.de (Dirk H Hohndel) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Subject: XSuSE: Cyber 9397 support and acceleration for Riva128 Followup-To: comp.os.linux.x Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 09:27:41 GMT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- New XSuSE_Trident and XSuSE_NVidia servers available ==================================================== S.u.S.E. GmbH is proud to release two updates to our small series of XSuSE X servers. Both are significant new releases that many have been waiting for. XSuSE_Trident now for the first time offers (still non-accelerated) support for the Trident Cyber 9397 chipset as found in the IBM Thinkpad. Additionally support for the 3DImage975 and 3DImage985 has been added as well. This server should work fine on the Thinkpad 770 model 9549 (14.1" TFT), there have been some reports of problems on the model 9548 (13.3' TFT) that we are investigating. Our special thanks goes to Alan Hourihane and the testers at XFree86 for the great work on this server. Furthermore, XSuSE_NVidia-2.0 has been released, which offers full hardware acceleration for Riva128 based cards. With this server Riva128 based cards are now among the fastest cards supported with free X servers. Our special thanks goes to David McKay who almost single handedly developed this great server. For both new XSuSE servers please visit http://www.suse.de/XSuSE/XSuSE_E.html. For all questions and support concerning these servers please do NOT contact XFree86 but send email to x@suse.de instead. Just to avoid wrong and unnecessary rumors: - - these servers are freely available under basically the same copyright as XFree86. - - these servers are based on XFree86-3.3.1 and code from individual authors; they are released on request and with permission of the authors and The XFree86 Project, Inc. - - These servers will be part of the next public release of XFree86 - - S.u.S.E. is not trying to take over development of free X servers from The XFree86 Project, Inc., nor is The XFree86 Project, Inc., disapearing. Quite the opposite is true. The XFree86 Project is actively working on a new public release that is scheduled for the first quarter of 1998. Any questions regarding XSuSE servers and the relationship between XSuSE and XFree86 should be directed at x@suse.de Dirk - -- This article has been digitally signed by the moderator, using PGP. http://www.iki.fi/mjr/cola-public-key.asc has PGP key for validating signature. Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. This group is archived at http://www.iki.fi/liw/linux/cola.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBNMMcjlrUI/eHXJZ5AQHqYgP/RtuahsNtmcepbZg187NbPaEp31NL5tew BcGUHo1qZ2KYwRF88cPLiABs3hOKzLNqoXc51yBQKrzLMLnuD4hm/5UjxgXd+ufZ coj+3pwq5UJcYpB70aYc5NQAq4PEjSvq4gCmKbwt90lY2Dt0Dw2OmWivlCUMzhK3 FFrGKU8hz+0= =KMCl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Mencken and Nathan's Ninth Law of The Average American: The quality of a champagne is judged by the amount of noise the cork makes when it is popped. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 19:44:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA174197084; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:44:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03259; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:40:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03059; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:40:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03030; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 19:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnote (slip129-37-216-33.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.216.33]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA51252; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 00:39:43 GMT Message-Id: <199801200039.AAA51252@out2.ibm.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "Rainer Feuerstein" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 17:43:50 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 80MB->104MB? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 8 megs on the motherboard automatically gets disabled. On Mon, 19 Jan 98 11:03:34 +0100, Rainer Feuerstein wrote: >Hi! > >My 760ED currently has 80MB of RAM. I consider upgrading to 104MB. >Since 80MB + 32MB = 112 MB, there must be one 8MB module that has to be removed. >Now, where is this module? >Can it be removed by myself? (Or do I need a soldering iron in order to remove it?) > > >--- >kind regards, >Rainer Feuerstein > > --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 20:16:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178558985; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:16:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04605; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:13:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04453; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:13:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.8.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04417; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatekeeper.rhein.de (gatekeeper.rhein.de [193.175.27.1]) by uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8-ws3/8.8.8-ws3) with ESMTP id CAA03178 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:13:35 +0100 (MET) Received: (from Unietzsc@localhost) by gatekeeper.rhein.de (8.8.8-ws3/8.8.8-ws3) id CAA04573 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:13:34 +0100 (MET) >Received: from nietzsche.rhein.de (holgi@defiant.starfleet.de [192.168.1.171]) by nietzsche.rhein.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA14243 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:45:25 +0100 Sender: holgi@nietzsche.rhein.de Message-Id: <34C3BB71.6B43D6ED@nietzsche.rhein.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:45:37 +0100 From: Holger Haas Organization: -unpublished- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: CardBus and Linux? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I use a 100MBit 3Com 3c575-TX Fast EtherLink XL "CardBus" PC-Card on my Thinkpad 760E. Since I guess CardBus is not PCMCIA I wanted to ask how are my chances to get this NIC running under Linux prior to reading all the PCMCIA-stuff. Is CardBus much of a difference to PCMCIA and can I expect support under Linux? Bye Holger From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 20:20:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179729220; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:20:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05177; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:17:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05049; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:17:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04998; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:17:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p15.hwts11.loop.net (p15.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.120]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA28088; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:16:37 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801200116.RAA28088@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Holger Haas" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 17:15:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CardBus and Linux? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:45:37 +0100, Holger Haas wrote: >Hi, > >I use a 100MBit 3Com 3c575-TX Fast EtherLink XL "CardBus" PC-Card on my >Thinkpad 760E. > >Since I guess CardBus is not PCMCIA I wanted to ask how are my chances >to get this NIC running under Linux prior to reading all the >PCMCIA-stuff. Is CardBus much of a difference to PCMCIA and can I expect >support under Linux? > Supposedly, it is just a PCMCIA type card, but CardBus is like a PCI bus architecture, >from what I've heard. I don't know if Linux or OS/2 support it yet, however. :-( -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 32m 44s 257ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 20:20:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179869246; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:20:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04601; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:13:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04437; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.8.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04416; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from gatekeeper.rhein.de (gatekeeper.rhein.de [193.175.27.1]) by uran.informatik.uni-bonn.de (8.8.8-ws3/8.8.8-ws3) with ESMTP id CAA03174 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:13:33 +0100 (MET) Received: (from Unietzsc@localhost) by gatekeeper.rhein.de (8.8.8-ws3/8.8.8-ws3) id CAA04568 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 02:13:32 +0100 (MET) >Received: from nietzsche.rhein.de (holgi@defiant.starfleet.de [192.168.1.171]) by nietzsche.rhein.de (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id VAA14139 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:37:34 +0100 Sender: holgi@nietzsche.rhein.de Message-Id: <34C3B999.CA061E4D@nietzsche.rhein.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:37:45 +0100 From: Holger Haas Organization: -unpublished- X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 760E Software in German? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I=B4ve got a 760E running Win95. I checked the Thinkpad-Software on the IBM-Server and found out that my utilities are not up to date. Since my Win95 is a German version I would like the Thinpad-Software to be German, too. The preinstalled software is German, so it must exist somewhere, but where to find? Bye Holger From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 20:52:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA184471143; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:52:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06447; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:45:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:43:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06245; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06230; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:43:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb298.capecod.net [205.230.13.44]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29620; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:43:24 -0500 Message-Id: <34C40082.4D8A69AB@capecod.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:40:18 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP 770 References: <199801191820.KAA01784@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Checkout the unofficial Warped Thinkpad page http://www.tpwarper.com/, it has installation hints. You do need a different set of install disketts than those that come with Warp4 because of the 5Gb dard drive. Bob Paul Khoury wrote: > > Just curious, has anyone been able to get OS/2 Warp 4 on a 770? > > Do you get SVGA with the Cyber chipset? > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. > Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! > Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 26 Processes with 93 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 20h 47m 1s 460ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 20:55:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA185031357; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:55:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06960; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:53:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06868; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06852; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (camb298.capecod.net [205.230.13.44]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA32153 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:53:38 -0500 Message-Id: <34C402E8.6F0FF3BA@capecod.net> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:50:32 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Thinkpads and NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To all you people out there that want to put NT on your TP's. Why not give Warp a shot. I had V.3 of Warp running on a TP700C and loved it. Unfortunately Warp 4 won't fit on a 700 so I upgraded to a 760XD and it's running fine. My only compliant is that I can't run all my WIN95 programs under WINOS2. So I use dual boot. Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 21:20:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189532804; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:20:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08181; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08084; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08071; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts02.loop.net (p03.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.78]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08097; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:17:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801200217.SAA08097@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" , "rdietric" , "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 18:16:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpads and NT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:50:32 -0500, rdietric wrote: >To all you people out there that want to put NT on your TP's. Why not >give Warp a shot. I had V.3 of Warp running on a TP700C and loved it. >Unfortunately Warp 4 won't fit on a 700 so I upgraded to a 760XD and >it's running fine. My only compliant is that I can't run all my WIN95 >programs under WINOS2. So I use dual boot. > I agree with that, but remember to have a lot of RAM. On Warp 3, this isn't as much a problem, and even on Warp 4, it seems to work way better with 16MB RAM, than NT 4.0 did on my server. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 33m 30s 976ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 21:22:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189922961; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:22:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07898; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:16:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07801; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07786; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts02.loop.net (p03.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.78]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA07869; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 18:15:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801200215.SAA07869@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" , "rdietric" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 17:56:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:40:18 -0500, rdietric wrote: >Checkout the unofficial Warped Thinkpad page http://www.tpwarper.com/, >it has installation hints. You do need a different set of install >disketts than those that come with Warp4 because of the 5Gb dard drive. > >Bob > I've already been there, and read the information on Installing Warp 4 on the 770 for "recreational reading" (seriously), but I was just wondering if anyone here had actually DONE it, and how well it ran (rather nice, I presume). BTW, does the 770 have L2 Cache? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 13m 10s 757ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 19 21:39:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA192843958; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:39:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09089; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:34:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09015; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08998; Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06990; Mon, 19 Jan 98 21:33:42 EST Date: Mon, 19 Jan 98 21:33:42 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801200233.AA06990@nile.gnat.com> To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com, ladybug@capecod.net, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpads and NT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> These days, 16MB counts as very small RAM, not "a lot of RAM". Personally, it seems strange to me to spend thinkpad type money and then starve the machine for memory. I think you do better to buy a less powerful machine with decent memory than a more powerful one that is starved. THese days 32M is an absolute reasonable minimum. Check out the prices on memory upgrades, they have got MUCH cheaper. I bought 64meg chips for my 770 >from Kingston (certainly a high quality supplier) for $320 a piece. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 04:30:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259748611; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:30:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21063; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:29:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:28:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20909; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20896; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 04:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:26:56 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xuZy3-000tj5A; Tue, 20 Jan 98 10:27 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:24:29 +0100 Message-Id: <34c46d4d.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "Holger Haas" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 10:14:07 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Re: CardBus and Linux? Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 21:45:37 +0100, Holger Haas wrote: >I wanted to ask how are my chances >to get this NIC running under Linux They seem to be rather bad at the moment. There's a Linux PCMCIA Web page=20 (http://hyper.stanford.edu/HyperNews/get/pcmcia/home.html) that has a lis= t of=20 supported cards (file SUPPORTED.CARDS, it is also contained in the pcmcia= package). According to this list, there are only 2 supported Fast Ethernet cards at= the moment: - Linksys EtherFast 10/100 - Xircom CreditCard CE3 and there's no work on 3c575 so far. You should have v2.9.12 of the pcmcia package if you want to use the xirc= om. I had=20 lots of problems before. Even now it is not very fast compared to the Int= el=20 EtherExpress Pro 100B I use in the desktops. But the xircom is the only choice for Linux and OS/2 users. Hint for german users: Falls jemand einen Gro=DFh=E4ndler braucht, bei dem man die Xircom bekomm= t, bitte per=20 EMail anfragen. Falls jemand einen H=E4ndler braucht, bei dem man die Xircom bekommt, am = besten mich=20 fragen. :-) ---=20 kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 08:02:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281041350; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:02:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00419; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:02:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00245; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from emerald.mtt.net (emerald.mtt.net [142.177.129.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00222; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from innovacorp.ns.ca ([192.75.101.5]) by emerald.mtt.net (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA22906 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:54:30 -0300 Received: from hines.innovacorp.ns.ca by innovacorp.ns.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12459; Tue, 20 Jan 98 09:04:25 AST Message-Id: <9801201304.AA12459@innovacorp.ns.ca> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandy Hines" Organization: InNOVAcorp To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:58:38 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Startup problem 760ed Reply-To: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 760ed has recently, the last three mornings, been difficult to get started. It powers up to the thinkpad screen but that is it. I hear a single strangled squack from the speaker and then nothing else happens it just hangs. This morning it took about 20 min to get the thing started. I have removed and replugged all of the bay componnets i.e. drives, battery and such, with no change. It does not even get to the floppy so my emergency startup disk doesn't work. I recently updated to Office 97, which made me delete several prgrams (not enough disk space) in order to install it. I do not know if this could effect the start-up? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Sandy Hines I have really learned the value in backing up your hardrive. Alexander (Sandy) Hines, MBA Director Information & Ocen Technologies InNOVAcorp Nova Scotia Innovation Corporation 101 Research Drive PO Box 790 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, B2Y 3Z7, Canada Phone: 902 424 8670 ext. 155 800 565 7051 Fax: 902 465 7384 Email: shines@innovacorp.ns.ca WWW http://www.innovacorp.ns.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 10:06:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296588783; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:06:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06446; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:00:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:58:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06231; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06215; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from egiles (port17-quit.netpathway.com [208.137.139.32]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA29157; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:57:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199801201457.IAA29157@sammy.netpathway.com> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TP 770 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:55:27 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, the 770 has 512K of L2 cache. I just received mine last Thursday, and I can tell you that this machine is superb. I've had three Thinkpads (701c, 760ED, and now the 770), and this one by far has the least limitations of any of them, although this should be expected. BTW, thanks to everyone who responded to my questions last week about the 770. They are greatly appreciated, and I know now that I definitely made the right purchase. Eric Giles ---------- > From: Paul Khoury > To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com; rdietric > Cc: ThinkPad List > Subject: Re: TP 770 > Date: Monday, January 19, 1998 7:56 PM > > On Mon, 19 Jan 1998 20:40:18 -0500, rdietric wrote: > > >Checkout the unofficial Warped Thinkpad page http://www.tpwarper.com/, > >it has installation hints. You do need a different set of install > >disketts than those that come with Warp4 because of the 5Gb dard drive. > > > >Bob > > > > I've already been there, and read the information on Installing Warp 4 on > the 770 for "recreational reading" (seriously), but I was just wondering if anyone > here had actually DONE it, and how well it ran (rather nice, I presume). > > BTW, does the 770 have L2 Cache? > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 > Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. > Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! > Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 24 Processes with 87 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 13m 10s 757ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 10:12:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297489163; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:12:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07484; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:06:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:05:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07305; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07091; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16741; Tue, 20 Jan 98 10:03:09 EST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 10:03:09 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801201503.AA16741@nile.gnat.com> To: egiles@netpathway.com, pkhoury@loop.com Subject: Re: TP 770 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu is anyone else running WARP 4.0 on the high end 770? I would be interested in knowing whether anyone else experiences my intermittent loss of the screen (looks like a driver bug to me, but who knows). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 10:26:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA299340006; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:26:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09274; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:24:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:24:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09161; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09149; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 10:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts15.loop.net (p23.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.248]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA16752; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801201523.HAA16752@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "shines@innovacorp.ns.ca" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 07:22:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Startup problem 760ed Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 08:58:38 -0400, Sandy Hines wrote: >My 760ed has recently, the last three mornings, been difficult to get >started. It powers up to the thinkpad screen but that is it. I hear >a single strangled squack from the speaker and then nothing else >happens it just hangs. This morning it took about 20 min to get the >thing started. > >I have removed and replugged all of the bay componnets i.e. drives, >battery and such, with no change. It does not even get to the floppy >so my emergency startup disk doesn't work. > >I recently updated to Office 97, which made me delete several prgrams >(not enough disk space) in order to install it. I do not know if >this could effect the start-up? > >Any help would be appreciated. > Have you recently added any new memory? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 8h 50m 19s 375ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 12:27:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA018947239; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:27:19 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16508; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:22:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16283; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox3.funet.fi (pobox3.funet.fi [128.214.46.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16257; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from cronus.ncp.fi (root@cronus.ncp.fi [195.148.194.10]) by pobox3.funet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.8/FUNET/Rtrs-1.14) with ESMTP id TAA29787 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:17:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from fw2.kolmi.tamro.com (unknownKolmiVan.kolmi.tamro.com [194.188.151.208]) by cronus.ncp.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28238 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:11:44 +0200 Message-Id: <199801201811.UAA28238@cronus.ncp.fi> From: "Jyrki Richard Viksten" To: Subject: introducing myself Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:24:28 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi ! I hope this goes to right address, i am Jyrki Viksten from Finland 31 y.o. techinican, I just got my think pad and feltin love immeatetly!! Even my tp is not so powerful but I am satisfield for little:) I have tp701 dx2, 486/50, 8 MB memory( i would like to expand my memory till 16 , anyone can help me by selling some memory?), hard disk is 360, and I am using win95 system. I dont know excatly how this tp mailing list works, but I hope some contacs >from other tp owners and so hot tips and hints:))!! see ya soon !!!!!! jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 16:24:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060981451; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:24:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02122; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:15:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01693; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01672; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:15:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ISLOLNDTW09YCKPA@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:14:47 MST Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:11:32 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Wed, 14 Jan 1998 19:42:12 +0000" <199801150341.TAA23796@stevie.loop.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ISLPJA7FKQ9YCKPA@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Does anybody know if the 360PE and 750/755 memory cards compatible? > > > I think the 755 might use parity while the 355/360 does not. > Can someone else please confirm? Yes the 755 uses parity memory. You can turn off the parity error detection in the set-up (hold F1 down and boot) but I'd suggest not doing this - I have had one card that had errors and I'd never have know without it... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 18:42:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104069738; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:42:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08167; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:38:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07906; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07894; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from xena (ppp-207-214-211-137.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.211.137]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id PAA09148 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:37:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34C53335.D898BE16@pacbell.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 15:28:53 -0800 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: ba.market.computers To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: FS: TP 76x/36x/380 memory module X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am selling a 32mg SIM module that was in my 765D (upgraded to a 64mg simm). I am told that this SIMM also fits in the following models: 760 series 365x,365xd,380,380d, 765d, 765l (only know for sure about the 765) I am selling this for $60.00 plus s/h Thanks, Richard Hamel Santa Clara, CA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 18:55:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA107180532; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:55:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09025; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08923; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08910; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from aarau.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA106800430; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:50 -0500 Received: by aarau.ai.mit.edu id m0xunUV-00004eC (Debian Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 18:53:59 -0500 (EST) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560E CD-ROM and Linux X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.92, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am trying to get a PCMCIA CD-ROM working on a 560E running Linux. The CD-ROM in question is an IDE model that is sold as an accessory by IBM; it works fine under Win95. Under Linux (kernel 2.0.32, PCMCIA 2.9.12) the device is recognized and assigned appropriate IRQ and I/O ports, but it gets errors and fails to work. Card services identifies it as an "Argosy EIDE CD-ROM". Has anyone been able to get this device to work with Linux? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 19:45:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132133531; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:45:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11088; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:39:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:38:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10990; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10978; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 19:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts11.loop.net (p13.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.118]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA07583 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:37:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801210037.QAA07583@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 16:36:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:11:32 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> >Does anybody know if the 360PE and 750/755 memory cards compatible? >> > >> I think the 755 might use parity while the 355/360 does not. > >> Can someone else please confirm? > >Yes the 755 uses parity memory. You can turn off the parity error >detection in the set-up (hold F1 down and boot) but I'd suggest not >doing this - I have had one card that had errors and I'd never have >know without it... > That's one of the nice things about parity. It's such a shame that the newer ThinkPads don't use parity, at least the non-EDO models. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 18h 4m 28s 257ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 23:35:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA186577313; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:35:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18633; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:32:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18491; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:32:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net ([207.115.153.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18472; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from gte.net (1Cust48.tnt14.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.39.48]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with ESMTP id WAA26467 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:32:45 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34C576DA.110F912E@gte.net> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:17:30 -0700 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Warp4 and 701C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone running Warp4 on a 701C with great success? I just recently acquired such a beast with 36MB of RAM and a 360MB harddrive. I am also going to be swapping out the 360 and putting in a 2.1G ... any problems there? Any/all help in this matter is greatly appreciated. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v801-583-8544 mailto:aimsllc@ibm.net mailto:aims@gte.net -------------------------------------------------------- http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm -------------------------------------------------------- "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- wich, they would both be with us today!" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 20 23:57:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190138653; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:57:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19878; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:56:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19736; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (peckham@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19712; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 23:56:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id UAA15437; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:56:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: 701C display prob To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 701C has run well for two years, but is now about to be shipped off to ezserve for repairs. Problem is the display goes completely white off suspend, and sometimes in the middle of running a program. I can get it up most of the time by closing and opening the lid, or pressing fn+f4. It started occurring more often, so now its getting fixed. Don't recall anyone else having this problem, but I suspect it is not the cable, as moving the lid around has no effect. Does ezserve tell you what was done to fix a problem? Since everything was running perfectly, I'd hate to find I get my machine back with a modem problem or the like if they replace a lot of the guts. __ Frank Peckham __________________ peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 01:01:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202552499; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:01:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22017; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:00:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21864; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21835; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from p28.hwts16.loop.net (p28.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.43]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06547; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:59:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801210559.VAA06547@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "aimsllc@ibm.net" , "Bob Angell" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 21:58:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp4 and 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:17:30 -0700, Bob Angell wrote: >Anyone running Warp4 on a 701C with great success? Except for video problems and slow speed on 12MB of RAM, yes. I have Warp 4 on my 701CS with FP 5 installed. I just >recently acquired such a beast with 36MB of RAM and a 360MB >harddrive. I am also going to be swapping out the 360 and >putting in a 2.1G ... any problems there? Shouldn't be, but some people on the list have reported problems with different manafacturers. But 360MB is too small for Warp 4. I only can use 420MB on my 720MB drive (don't ask why so small, it's a LONG story), and that's barely enough! If you have any questions about installing, ask away. Also check out http://www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 26m 7s 968ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 01:03:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA203042598; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:03:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22171; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:02:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:01:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22086; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22045; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 01:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from p28.hwts16.loop.net (p28.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.43]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA06791; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 22:01:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801210601.WAA06791@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Peckham Engineering" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 22:00:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C display prob Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 20:55:59 -0800 (PST), Peckham Engineering wrote: >My 701C has run well for two years, but is now >about to be shipped off to ezserve for repairs. Problem >is the display goes completely white off suspend, and sometimes in the >middle of running a program. I can get it up most of the time >by closing and opening the lid, or pressing fn+f4. It started occurring >more often, so now its getting fixed. > >Don't recall anyone else having this problem, but I suspect it >is not the cable, as moving the lid around has no effect. Does >ezserve tell you what was done to fix a problem? Since everything >was running perfectly, I'd hate to find I get my machine back with a >modem problem or the like if they replace a lot of the guts. > If you don't think it's the flex cable, it could be either a software problem or a defective LCD, though since you've had it that long, I somewhat doubt it. Have you recently added any options or new software/operating system(s)? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 97 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 27m 55s 367ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 03:35:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230031716; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:35:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28282; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:33:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28115; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28103; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 03:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28262 invoked by uid 66); 21 Jan 1998 08:32:14 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 07:13 CET From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Thinkpad 760E Software in German? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Holger Haas (holgi@nietzsche.rhein.de) wrote: > > I=B4ve got a 760E running Win95. I checked the Thinkpad-Software on the > IBM-Server and found out that my utilities are not up to date. Since my > Win95 is a German version I would like the Thinpad-Software to be > German, too. The preinstalled software is German, so it must exist > somewhere, but where to find? you could start at www.pc.ibm.com and look for Thinkpad Support. I don't know whether a German version of this pice exists, though. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 10:11:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA071315459; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:10:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16330; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:09:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:07:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16148; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:07:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16124; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.32] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.233) with smtp for id ; Wed, 21 Jan 98 09:07:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:06:54 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Warp4 and 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Bob Angell Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:17:30 -0700  Anyone running Warp4 on a 701C with great success? I just  recently acquired such a beast with 36MB of RAM and a 360MB  harddrive. I am also going to be swapping out the 360 and  putting in a 2.1G ... any problems there? Running it here, love it, gave up my beloved Winbook XP for it. Be sure you have the latest BIOS revision installed; the file containing the disk image is called sys7013o.exe. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 01/21/98, 09:06:51 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 10:31:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA080146684; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:31:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17712; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:28:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17613; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:28:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17596; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-112-109.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.112.109]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA52426 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:28:35 GMT Message-Id: <34C61421.6EEB2343@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:28:33 -0500 From: Friedrich Huebler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? References: <34BB3B6F.1D64B324@lr.tudelft.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at the IBM 56K PC Card Modem Kit. This modem is identical to the U.S. Robotics XJ 1560 and sells for less, at least in the United States. When I bought mine a few months ago the XJ 1560 cost $250 while the IBM modem cost $200. Friedrich Huebler Rune Floberghagen wrote: > Having purchased a ThinkPad 380 ED I am now looking for a high-quality > PCMCIA modem for use with a standard telephone line (cellular use not > required). My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at > around 200 USD. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 10:38:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082937122; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:38:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18066; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:32:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17983; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:32:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17960; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:31:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA28306; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07631; Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:32:27 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA25787; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:32:20 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:32:19 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? In-Reply-To: <199801210037.QAA07583@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:11:32 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > >Yes the 755 uses parity memory. You can turn off the parity error > >detection in the set-up (hold F1 down and boot) but I'd suggest not > >doing this - I have had one card that had errors and I'd never have > >know without it... > > That's one of the nice things about parity. It's such a shame > that the newer ThinkPads don't use parity, at least the > non-EDO models. Actually, the really nice way to handle parity was the way some EISA systems (remember those?) did it. If the motherboard detected a parity error, it would map around the bad memory. You'd lose something like 8k, but the memory module would still be usable. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 10:50:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA088607831; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:50:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19325; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:48:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19234; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:48:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from custsrv1.vitts.com (custsrv1.vitts.com [208.7.161.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19221; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com ([208.7.172.8]) by custsrv1.vitts.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 120-40365U700L2S100) with SMTP id AAA25536 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:53 -0500 Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for www.summa4.com [208.7.161.33]) with SMTP; 21 Jan 1998 15:47:53 UT Received: from summa4.com (root@hal.summa4.com [10.1.1.13]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA11525 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:49 -0500 (EST) Sender: root@Summa4.COM Message-Id: <34C6189A.216348E2@summa4.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:47:38 -0500 From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" Organization: Summa Four, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? References: <34BB3B6F.1D64B324@lr.tudelft.nl> <34C61421.6EEB2343@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Keep in mind, folks - two different 56k standards. Be sure to buy the one that'll work with whoever you're thinking of calling. They both can, of course, step down to 33.6, so it shouldn't be too big a hit if it doesn't; I, myself, would probably just go with a 33.6, 'cause it's unlikely you'll ever see true 56k throughput. Just my $.02 worth... Ken Friedrich Huebler wrote: > > Take a look at the IBM 56K PC Card Modem Kit. This modem is identical to > the U.S. Robotics XJ 1560 and sells for less, at least in the United > States. When I bought mine a few months ago the XJ 1560 cost $250 while the > IBM modem cost $200. > > Friedrich Huebler > > Rune Floberghagen wrote: > > > Having purchased a ThinkPad 380 ED I am now looking for a high-quality > > PCMCIA modem for use with a standard telephone line (cellular use not > > required). My mind is set on 56 kbps modems which should be available at > > around 200 USD. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 10:53:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090078030; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:53:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19793; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:51:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19706; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19688; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA15495; Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:50:58 EST Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 10:50:58 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801211550.AA15495@nile.gnat.com> To: kend@summa4.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu the more important thing at this stage is to make sure that any 56K modem you buy can be updated to the new unified standard (both existing standards are obsolescent). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 11:19:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101689558; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:19:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20990; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:12:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:11:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20871; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:11:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20859; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:11:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts04.loop.net (p07.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.142]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA14675; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:10:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801211610.IAA14675@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "mdavis1@airmail.net" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:09:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp4 and 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:06:54 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >** Reply to note from Bob Angell Tue, 20 Jan 1998 21:17:30 -0700 > > > Anyone running Warp4 on a 701C with great success? I just > recently acquired such a beast with 36MB of RAM and a 360MB > harddrive. I am also going to be swapping out the 360 and > putting in a 2.1G ... any problems there? > >Running it here, love it, gave up my beloved Winbook XP for it. Be sure you >have the latest BIOS revision installed; the file containing the disk image is >called sys7013o.exe. > Oh, and another thing, I think that FP 5 has broken my video, so I'm going to reinstall during school today, and report my findings here. The screen corrupts, and I lose ALL keyboard, mouse, and video access when I try to start a DOS box, or even format a floppy!!! And I've never had this happen before! -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 20 Processes with 80 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 46m 9s 992ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 11:32:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108230356; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:32:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22184; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:30:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:29:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22091; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22079; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from peter-lewis (sea-ts3-p06.wolfenet.com [204.157.98.188]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16586; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:34 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801211629.IAA16586@wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:35 -0800 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), kend@summa4.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Lewis Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? In-Reply-To: <9801211550.AA15495@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:50 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Robert Dewar wrote: >the more important thing at this stage is to make sure that any 56K >modem you buy can be updated to the new unified standard (both existing >standards are obsolescent). > To my knowledge, both Rockwell/Lucent, makers of 56k flex technology, and USR, maker of x2 technology, have promised free upgrade paths to the new standard. Theoretically, that means that neither existing standard is obsolescent, because both are upgradeable at no charge. My sense is that if you own a USR x2 you're in good shape, because of their flash-ROM capability, meaning you should be able to accomplish the upgrade over a telephone line. On the Rockwell side, though, I believe there are some modems where hardware would have to be swapped out, and that could get problematic. -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 11:37:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110410649; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:37:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22329; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:30:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22207; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22162; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts04.loop.net (p07.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.142]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA16722 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 08:29:38 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801211629.IAA16722@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:28:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Are the 360PE and 750 memory cards compatible? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 10:32:19 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Jan 1998 14:11:32 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> >> >Yes the 755 uses parity memory. You can turn off the parity error >> >detection in the set-up (hold F1 down and boot) but I'd suggest not >> >doing this - I have had one card that had errors and I'd never have >> >know without it... >> >> That's one of the nice things about parity. It's such a shame >> that the newer ThinkPads don't use parity, at least the >> non-EDO models. > >Actually, the really nice way to handle parity was the way some >EISA systems (remember those?) Yeah, I considered buying one about 2 weeks ago. :) did it. If the motherboard >detected a parity error, it would map around the bad memory. >You'd lose something like 8k, but the memory module would still >be usable. > Didn't Microchannel do that also? I know that MCA was sort of similiar to EISA. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 21 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 10h 5m 2s 195ms. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 21 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 10h 5m 14s 984ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 11:43:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113400980; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:43:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23191; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:40:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23020; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22990; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16627; Wed, 21 Jan 98 11:39:49 EST Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 11:39:49 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801211639.AA16627@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, kend@summa4.com, pele@wolfenet.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 56kbps PCMCIA modem recommendations? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu right, that's the theory (upgrades possible), but as several articles have suggested, the theory may not be 100% practice (rememebr all those early machines that were shipped with processor upgrade sockets that could never be filled by anything that anyone actually manufactured!) It could be that these articles are unfounded FUD, but it is worth making sure that the modem you get comes with an enforcable guarantee that an upgrade will indeed be possible and practical. The practical is important, after all Intel would provide upgrades for all bad Pentiums on request, but millions did not bother because it was impractical to do the swap. Incidentally, the MWAVE modem should definitely be upgradable, and IBM has said they will ship this (100% software) upgrade when the standard is settled. At least that is my nderstanding. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 12:09:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA125082593; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:09:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24914; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24686; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (peckham@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24674; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA22450; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:05:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:05:26 -0800 (PST) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: Re: 701C display prob To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <199801210601.WAA06791@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > If you don't think it's the flex cable, it could be either a software > problem or a defective LCD, though since you've had it that long, I somewhat > doubt it. Have you recently added any options or new software/operating system(s)? > Paul, Don't think I've changed anything in a while. I'm not 100% certain it is not the cable, but it seems like it might be the video subsystem from the way the problem developed. Hope it isn't the LCD since that has no bad pixels, and I don't want it returned with a crummy screen. I did upgrade from 24mb to 40mb of ram a couple of months ago. The problem started about one month later, but I'm not sure how that could affect the display. __ Frank Peckham From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 12:20:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA130663240; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:20:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25836; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25684; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25667; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from p12.hwts12.loop.net (p12.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.147]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA22211; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:16:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801211716.JAA22211@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Peckham Engineering" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 09:15:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C display prob Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:05:26 -0800 (PST), Peckham Engineering wrote: > > >On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> If you don't think it's the flex cable, it could be either a software >> problem or a defective LCD, though since you've had it that long, I somewhat >> doubt it. Have you recently added any options or new software/operating system(s)? >> >Paul, > >Don't think I've changed anything in a while. I'm not 100% certain it is >not the cable, but it seems like it might be the video subsystem from >the way the problem developed. Hope it isn't the LCD since that has no >bad pixels, and I don't want it returned with a crummy screen. I did >upgrade from 24mb to 40mb of ram a couple of months ago. The problem >started about one month later, but I'm not sure how that could affect the >display. > Maybe it could be bad ram, causing a software problem. What brand of memory did you use? Does it have a warranty? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 10h 52m 31s 117ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 12:31:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA135373863; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:31:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26658; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:27:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26533; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:27:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26488; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:26:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts10.loop.net (p20.hwts10.loop.net [207.211.62.95]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA23215 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:25:55 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801211725.JAA23215@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 09:25:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - OS/2 Video Drivers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Interestingly, I think that Warp 4's FP 5 broke the SVGA somehow, because after reinstalling, I have not got any problems so far. I just thought I would post this so another Warped 701 user doesn't have the same problem. That's what's interesting about fixpacks, or ANY bug fixes - sometimes they fix stuff, other times they break it. Oh well. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 11h 1m 33s 304ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 14:44:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA198041871; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:44:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04620; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:39:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04443; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:39:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04425; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA83246 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:13:54 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BD267B.0D027660@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:44:17 -0500 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: Peckham Engineering Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: 701C display prob Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:37:44 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 63 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When you upgraded the 701 from 24MB to 40MB, did you notice a difference? What OSes are you using? Tom T. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, MCI Systemhouse *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada >---------- >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] >Sent: 1998 January 21 - Wednesday 12:15 >To: Peckham Engineering >Cc: ThinkPad List >Subject: Re: 701C display prob > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 09:05:26 -0800 (PST), Peckham Engineering wrote: > >> >> >>On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >>> >>> If you don't think it's the flex cable, it could be either a software >>> problem or a defective LCD, though since you've had it that long, I >>>somewhat >>> doubt it. Have you recently added any options or new software/operating >system(s)? >>> >>Paul, >> >>Don't think I've changed anything in a while. I'm not 100% certain it is >>not the cable, but it seems like it might be the video subsystem from >>the way the problem developed. Hope it isn't the LCD since that has no >>bad pixels, and I don't want it returned with a crummy screen. I did >>upgrade from 24mb to 40mb of ram a couple of months ago. The problem >>started about one month later, but I'm not sure how that could affect the >>display. >> >Maybe it could be bad ram, causing a software problem. > >What brand of memory did you use? >Does it have a warranty? > >-- >Paul > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Paul Khoury >pkhoury@loop.com >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 >Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. >Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! >Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. > >The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 >Revision 9.029 >There are 25 Processes with 91 Threads. >This machine's uptime is 0d 10h 52m 31s 117ms. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 14:54:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA202712482; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:54:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05059; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:48:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:47:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04964; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:47:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04947; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 14:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.89] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.233) with smtp for id ; Wed, 21 Jan 98 13:47:23 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: "Thinkpad List" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:47:24 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Warp4 and 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "Paul Khoury" Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:09:45 -0800  I think that FP 5 has broken my video Interesting, I have FP5 installed here and have no video problems. I did install Warp with plain VGA and then installed the latest video drivers from C&T. Running at 64K colors. OTOH, FS DOS sessions lock up my Winbook tight. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 01/21/98, 13:47:20 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 16:06:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238876789; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:06:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09332; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:53:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09163; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09139; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts13.loop.net (p01.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.166]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA18008 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:52:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801212052.MAA18008@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 12:54:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Warp4 and 701C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 13:47:24 CST, Mark O. Davis wrote: >** Reply to note from "Paul Khoury" Wed, 21 Jan 98 08:09:45 -0800 > > > I think that FP 5 has broken my video > >Interesting, I have FP5 installed here and have no video problems. I >did install Warp with plain VGA and then installed the latest video >drivers from C&T. Running at 64K colors. OTOH, FS DOS sessions lock >up my Winbook tight. > > Well, finally I got it fixed today. I tried running format, and the screen doesn't lock up. I haven't tried a DOS Window yet, though. But I bet it was something that had to do with the FP, because it existed before I added a new program, which is the GUI Client for RC5/DES. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 16:44:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259839076; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:44:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11470; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:32:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11129; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:32:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox3.funet.fi (pobox3.funet.fi [128.214.46.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11116; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cronus.ncp.fi (root@cronus.ncp.fi [195.148.194.10]) by pobox3.funet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.8/FUNET/Rtrs-1.14) with ESMTP id XAA27662 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:27:42 +0200 (EET) Received: from fw2.kolmi.tamro.com (unknownKolmiVan.kolmi.tamro.com [194.188.151.208]) by cronus.ncp.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25737 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:21:48 +0200 Message-Id: <199801212221.AAA25737@cronus.ncp.fi> From: "Jyrki Richard Viksten" To: "thinkpad mailing list" Subject: 32MB memory chip Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:50:20 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I would like to buy 32MB memory chip to my tp 701c, anyone selling? jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 16:48:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261359285; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:48:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12276; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:44:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12178; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12158; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA17791; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:45:08 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:52:36 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770C7@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'Jyrki Richard Viksten'" , thinkpad mailing list Subject: RE: 32MB memory chip Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:41:49 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I think Insight, a US mail order place, has ones made by Viking for around US$115. The URL is http://www.insight.com. Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Jyrki Richard Viksten [SMTP:mviksten@cronus.ncp.fi] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 3:35 PM To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: 32MB memory chip I would like to buy 32MB memory chip to my tp 701c, anyone selling? jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 18:29:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055745367; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:29:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17287; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:25:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:23:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17070; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17052; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-7.d.enteract.com (x2-7.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.151]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id RAA09656 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 17:23:18 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: 32MB memory chip Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:23:20 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34d382f6.72136499@mail.enteract.com> References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770C7@ECOEXCHG> In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770C7@ECOEXCHG> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:41:49 -0600, you wrote: >Hi, >I think Insight, a US mail order place, has ones made by Viking for around US$115. The URL is http://www.insight.com. >Lewis I think www.thechipmerchant.com is under $100 now. I got the 32MB chip for my 560 right after Christmas for $104, and seem to recall the 701's chip being even less. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 20:35:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079202901; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:35:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21590; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:33:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:31:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21427; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21370; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:29:49 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-227-58.az.us.ibm.net [129.37.227.58]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA34762; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:29:43 GMT Message-Id: <34C6A0FA.2F4B378C@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:29:31 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: 32MB memory chip References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770C7@ECOEXCHG> <34d382f6.72136499@mail.enteract.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I think www.thechipmerchant.com is under $100 now. I got the 32MB > chip for my 560 right after Christmas for $104, and seem to recall the > 701's chip being even less. Actually, it's more. Checking their page (updated 1/21), the price was $124. I'm partial to Insight, but they seem to have the best price now for TP 701 32mb. Haven't checked Erudite yet though. For anyone interested, that might be a good bet. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 21:47:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA090437269; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:47:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24107; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:38:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23987; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23975; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:38:24 -0500 (EST) From: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA21390; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:38:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199801220238.TAA21390@smtp01.primenet.com> Received: from ip34-156.bur.primenet.com(207.218.34.156) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd021304; Wed Jan 21 19:38:14 1998 Comments: Authenticated sender is To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 18:40:03 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: need 701 hard drive Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980103162533.00749a9c@rcf.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any idea where I'd buy a larger internal hard drive for my 701? I've got the 540, but I'd ideally like one that's at least 1gig (which I realize wasn't made by IBM) or, if I can't find that, an IBM 720. Thanks for any help -- Linda hvane@shrewsbury.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 21:56:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091467763; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:56:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24928; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:54:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24850; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24835; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id UAA14144 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:54:59 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:02:31 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770C9@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: need 701 hard drive Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:51:49 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Linda, I believe that any hard drive that is a 2.5" form factor, standard notebook IDE interface, and no more than about 12.7mm high will fit into the caddy that holds your current drive. You can find such drives all over the place in capacities up to 5GB (or maybe more now), at prices from the sublime to the ridiculous. Good luck! Lewis -----Original Message----- From: hvane@shrewsbury.org [SMTP:hvane@shrewsbury.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 8:44 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: need 701 hard drive Does anyone have any idea where I'd buy a larger internal hard drive for my 701? I've got the 540, but I'd ideally like one that's at least 1gig (which I realize wasn't made by IBM) or, if I can't find that, an IBM 720. Thanks for any help -- Linda hvane@shrewsbury.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 22:28:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096729734; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:28:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25909; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:17:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:17:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25835; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (peckham@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25823; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id TAA04115; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:16:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:16:47 -0800 (PST) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: RE: 701C display prob To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, TROTTIER Tom wrote: > When you upgraded the 701 from 24MB to 40MB, did you notice a > difference? What OSes are you using? Yes, but not a huge one. Ram has gotten so cheap, its was worth it to me. The biggest difference is when switching around betweeen applications, there seems to be less disk thrashing. I'm using the Evil Overlord Bill's fine products. Win 95. __ Frank Peckham From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 22:51:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA105881105; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:51:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27483; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27409; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27397; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p08.hwts09.loop.net (p08.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.53]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA10405; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:49:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801220349.TAA10405@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "epbrown@enteract.com" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 19:48:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 32MB memory chip Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:23:20 GMT, epbrown wrote: >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 15:41:49 -0600, you wrote: > >>Hi, >>I think Insight, a US mail order place, has ones made by Viking for around US$115. The URL is http://www.insight.com. >>Lewis > I think www.thechipmerchant.com is under $100 now. I got the 32MB >chip for my 560 right after Christmas for $104, and seem to recall the >701's chip being even less. 32MB for less? Yikes. Hopefully it will go farther down. I just spent $40 on a new DX4-100, but it doesn't work, so hopefully I can start saving for some new memory instead. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 21h 24m 46s 289ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 22:55:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA107421311; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:55:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27075; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:41:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26914; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:41:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26900; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:41:32 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn10.tdl.com [205.162.12.10]) by tdl.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA12915 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:41:21 -0800 Message-Id: <199801220341.TAA12915@tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:41:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: need 701 hard drive Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770C9@ECOEXCHG> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 21 Jan 98 at 20:51, Lewis Mills wrote: > I believe that any hard drive that is a 2.5" form factor, standard notebook > IDE interface, and no more than about 12.7mm high will fit into the caddy > that holds your current drive How difficult is it to swap out the drive? I've looked at caddy/drive and it's not obvious (at least to me : -( ) how one goes about taking out the old drive and putting in the new. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 22:59:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA109241568; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:59:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27702; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:53:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27633; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27621; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from p08.hwts09.loop.net (p08.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.53]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA10914; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:51:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801220351.TAA10914@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Peckham Engineering" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 19:51:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: 701C display prob Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:16:47 -0800 (PST), Peckham Engineering wrote: > >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, TROTTIER Tom wrote: > >> When you upgraded the 701 from 24MB to 40MB, did you notice a >> difference? What OSes are you using? > >Yes, but not a huge one. Ram has gotten so cheap, its was worth it >to me. The biggest difference is when switching around betweeen >applications, Maybe it could be a parity error. In non parity error, it could go at any time, parity memory let's you know when you first boot up. >there seems to be less disk thrashing. I'm using the Evil Overlord >Bill's fine products. Win 95. > Huh? That doesn't make sense - "Evil Overlord" and "fine products" in the same sentence? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 21h 27m 33s 851ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 23:07:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA112872027; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:07:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28315; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:00:52 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28241; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA15545; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28045; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:57:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id VAA17280 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:58:20 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:05:52 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770CA@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: need 701 hard drive Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 21:55:07 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I've only seen two types of caddies for the 701 (the IBM one and a plastic knock-off that's fairly similar), and there are a bunch out there. it may be that the caddy/drive you looked at was harder to take apart. However, on the ones I've seen, all you need to do is: 1. unscrew the screws that hold it in the caddy, 2. gently pull the drive toward the plug-in end so that the other end can lift up out of the caddy, and 3. gently work the connector off the drive. Lewis -----Original Message----- From: cblaisd@mail.tdl.com [SMTP:cblaisd@mail.tdl.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 1998 9:44 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: need 701 hard drive On 21 Jan 98 at 20:51, Lewis Mills wrote: > I believe that any hard drive that is a 2.5" form factor, standard notebook > IDE interface, and no more than about 12.7mm high will fit into the caddy > that holds your current drive How difficult is it to swap out the drive? I've looked at caddy/drive and it's not obvious (at least to me : -( ) how one goes about taking out the old drive and putting in the new. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 21 23:24:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120533077; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:24:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29086; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:22:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:22:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29011; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28999; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:22:10 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn111.tdl.com [205.162.12.111]) by tdl.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15014 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:22:09 -0800 Message-Id: <199801220422.UAA15014@tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:22:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: need 701 hard drive Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770CA@ECOEXCHG> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 21 Jan 98 at 21:55, Lewis Mills wrote: > Well, I've only seen two types of caddies for the 701 (the IBM one and a > plastic knock-off that's fairly similar), and there are a bunch out there. > it may be that the caddy/drive you looked at was harder to take apart. I've got the one that came with the system. > However, on the ones I've seen, all you need to do is: 1. unscrew the > screws that hold it in the caddy, 2. gently pull the drive toward the > plug-in end so that the other end can lift up out of the caddy, and 3. > gently work the connector off the drive. 1) Does it take a special screwdriver? They don't look like standard screws. 2) There seems to be some sort of tape also covering what I assume is the drive itself underneath. 3) I've not mucked in the innards of the laptop before, even to this degree (except to put in a memory SO-DIMM). 4) Are there places to buy the caddy itself? (I'm familiar with thinkpads.com) I'm a newbie to this mailing list, so if the etiquette of this list suggests that this exchange get taken off-list, let me know. Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 00:00:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA136055231; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 00:00:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00577; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:59:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00445; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00409; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 23:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from bayx2-1-4.d.enteract.com (bayx2-1-4.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.100]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id WAA22632 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:57:15 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: need 701 hard drive Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 04:57:17 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34c7d146.87017333@mail.enteract.com> References: <199801220422.UAA15014@tdl.com> In-Reply-To: <199801220422.UAA15014@tdl.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998 20:22:07 +0000, you wrote: >1) Does it take a special screwdriver? They don't look like standard >screws. 2) There seems to be some sort of tape also covering what I >assume is the drive itself underneath. 3) I've not mucked in the >innards of the laptop before, even to this degree (except to put in a >memory SO-DIMM). 4) Are there places to buy the caddy itself? (I'm >familiar with thinkpads.com) Portable Enhancement Products at www.portables.com sells the caddy for the 701, which is nice if you'd like to play with two operating systems on separate drives, since swapping them is a breeze. Last I checked they were charging about $100 for them, though. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 01:37:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA179451068; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:37:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03990; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:37:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:35:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03867; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (peckham@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03854; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 01:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA27022; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:35:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 22:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: 701 memory To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801220351.TAA10914@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > Maybe it could be a parity error. In non parity error, it could go at any time, parity > memory let's you know when you first boot up. > > >there seems to be less disk thrashing. I'm using the Evil Overlord > >Bill's fine products. Win 95. > > > Huh? That doesn't make sense - "Evil Overlord" and "fine products" in the > same sentence? I'm gonna swap out the 16 and 32mb memory chips and see if it changes anything. Let you know when I'm done. Are you insane man!?!?! Surely you know Mr. G. hears all and smites those who speak ill of his work. __ Just a little humor... Frank Peckham From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 05:38:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283405491; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:38:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16499; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:33:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:32:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16374; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16362; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 05:32:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pentium100.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with SMTP id <01ISNVOWDAKW9JEQ33@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:32:45 MST Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:32:44 -0700 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: need 701 hard drive To: cblaisd@mail.tdl.com Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Reply-To: greg.alvandian@usu.edu Message-Id: <34C7204C.5CFE@usu.edu> Organization: USU Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199801220422.UAA15014@tdl.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu cblaisd@mail.tdl.com wrote: > > On 21 Jan 98 at 21:55, Lewis Mills wrote: > > > Well, I've only seen two types of caddies for the 701 (the IBM one and a > > plastic knock-off that's fairly similar), and there are a bunch out there. > > it may be that the caddy/drive you looked at was harder to take apart. > > I've got the one that came with the system. > > > However, on the ones I've seen, all you need to do is: 1. unscrew the > > screws that hold it in the caddy, 2. gently pull the drive toward the > > plug-in end so that the other end can lift up out of the caddy, and 3. > > gently work the connector off the drive. > > 1) Does it take a special screwdriver? They don't look like standard >screws. It's a size T-6 Torx. It's not a really easy bit to find, but any good tool store should have one. Just hope you never have to take apart the actual computer case. The screws in the front of the machine are a size T-1 Torx which is almost impossible to find. (Well IBM does list them on it's parts page for the 701's. -Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 06:33:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006688816; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:33:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17862; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:29:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:28:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17716; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17704; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:28:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-249.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.249]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA01983 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:26:16 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801221126.MAA01983@swissonline.ch> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:22 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [TP 755] Applying FixPack 5 for Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Warp 4 with FP1 applied on a 40M TP 755 CDV. Some time ago I was instructed not to apply FP2 and FP3 because they could = lead to problems. Can I now apply FP5 to my system (in order to make it compliant with Y2K ?) Have a nice day Francois 01/22/98 12:23:27 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 06:59:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016250346; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:59:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18492; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:54:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18369; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18357; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 06:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA23182; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 03:53:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801221153.DAA23182@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Francois Hurter" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 03:42:54 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP 755] Applying FixPack 5 for Warp 4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:22 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >I'm running Warp 4 with FP1 applied on a 40M TP 755 CDV. >Some time ago I was instructed not to apply FP2 and FP3 because they could lead to problems. >Can I now apply FP5 to my system (in order to make it compliant with Y2K ?) >Have a nice day >Francois > Francois - Check all the readme files that come with FP 5, and also check http://www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com One thing, though, I found out that FP5 broke my SVGA on my 701, and I had to reinstall to avoid problems previously encountered, but I've had no other problems from it. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 5h 19m 27s 148ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 12:17:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA160399445; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:17:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02442; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:12:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:08:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02194; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02134; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:08:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA12870 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:09:12 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:16:44 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770CB@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP 701 Battery Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:05:56 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Does anyone know if the 701C can use a battery from any of the other TPs? Anyone know where to find reasonable prices on 701 batteries? Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 12:35:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA171260533; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:35:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03472; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:26:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03394; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from prosperous.ee.hit.fi (prosperous.ee.hit.fi [195.148.162.240]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03363; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 12:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sniper@localhost) by prosperous.ee.hit.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA18392 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:20:36 +0200 (EET) X-Authentication-Warning: prosperous.ee.hit.fi: sniper owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:20:36 +0200 (EET) From: Jani Taskinen X-Sender: sniper@prosperous.ee.hit.fi To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FP32 and TP760EL -> trap 000d In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770CB@ECOEXCHG> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu After applying Fixpack 32 into my Thinkpad 760EL I get this msg: Exception in device driver: ES16881$ TRAP 000d ...etc usual trap crap... So obviously the reason to this trap is my es1688 drivers. Does anyone know WHICH driver version works with FP32 ? I tried to install older es1688 drivers but with same trap on boot.. -Jani --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Email: sniper@iki.fi : ..life is a bitch and then you die.. : : IRC: Jankkuli : : : GSM: +358(0)40 523 5252 : - Trust No One - : : http://www.iki.fi/sniper/ : Member of Koskenkorvan(tm) Kippaajat : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 16:01:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271412887; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 16:01:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15102; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:48:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14917; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:48:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14896; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 15:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29388; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:45:51 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22971; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 10:49:39 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801222049.KAA22971@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery To: lmills@socket.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 10:49:39 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770CB@ECOEXCHG>; from "Lewis Mills" at Jan 22, 98 11:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was at a Computer City last weekend that was trying to clear out some old stuff; this included a couple of NIMH TP701 batteries and a couple of auto adapters for the 701, all at around $50/apiece. You might find something similar at your local branch. - David > Does anyone know if the 701C can use a battery from any of the other TPs? Anyone know where to find reasonable prices on 701 batteries? > Thanks, > Lewis > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 18:00:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036520058; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:00:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21560; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21167; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21077; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts09.loop.net (p21.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.66]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA00541; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:55:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801222255.OAA00541@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jani Taskinen" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 12:56:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FP32 and TP760EL -> trap 000d Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:20:36 +0200 (EET), Jani Taskinen wrote: > > >After applying Fixpack 32 into my Thinkpad 760EL I get this msg: > >Exception in device driver: ES16881$ >TRAP 000d ...etc usual trap crap... > >So obviously the reason to this trap is my es1688 drivers. >Does anyone know WHICH driver version works with FP32 ? > >I tried to install older es1688 drivers but with same trap on boot.. > Try reinstalling MMOS2 again, maybe that will work. Also, you should be able to back out of the fixpack also. I think that a new Warp 3 FP is coming out soon, maybe that'll fix the problems. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 18:01:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036770077; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:01:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21563; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:59:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21103; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21075; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 17:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts09.loop.net (p21.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.66]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA00524; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 14:55:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801222255.OAA00524@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "lmills@socket.net" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 12:53:17 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 701 Battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 11:05:56 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone know if the 701C can use a battery from any of the other TPs? Anyone know where to find reasonable prices on 701 batteries? >Thanks, >Lewis > > AFAIK, no. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 22:43:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA190867030; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:43:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01455; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:37:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:34:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01183; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01165; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from brucemar ([12.68.2.56]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA16642 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 03:33:59 +0000 Message-Id: <34C80F98.32DA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:33:44 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Screen stretching on 760XD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone know if the XGA screen on the 760XD supports full screen DOS/DirectX games, or do they play in a reduced size window with a black band around it? Thanks!! -- Reply to scosgt@worldnet.att.net or trenchgun@aol.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 23:28:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211449737; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:28:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03042; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:27:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02964; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02951; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:26:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl (slip129-37-134-242.dc.us.ibm.net [129.37.134.242]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA86580 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:26:54 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980122232500.00926a50@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:25:00 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Heat buildup with lid closed? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Found this note over on the Armada list - I've never heard of it being a problem. Anyone ever have this happen to a TP? >One word of warning: never operate your Armada >with the cover closed. We had some users who bought external >monitors, keyboards, etc., and closed the lid on the portable after >they powered them up and every one of them had a hard drive go bad. >The heat build-up is incredible. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 22 23:37:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA215240224; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:37:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03479; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:35:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:34:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03407; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03394; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts02.loop.net (p27.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.102]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA02162; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 20:33:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801230433.UAA02162@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jane Loyless" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 20:33:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:25:00 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >Found this note over on the Armada list - I've never heard of it being a >problem. Anyone ever have this happen to a TP? > > >>One word of warning: never operate your Armada >>with the cover closed. We had some users who bought external >>monitors, keyboards, etc., and closed the lid on the portable after >>they powered them up and every one of them had a hard drive go bad. >>The heat build-up is incredible. >> > I think that the heat must have affected either the embedded servo, the drive electronics, or both. Also, it seems that IBM must put the CPU on the bottom. I never saw it when I disassembled my 701, and I know for a fact the the 355's CPU is on the bottom. This, and the power inverter (and the battery when charging up) usually get to be the hottest, but I think the heat is funneled more to the bottom of the machine than the top, because the top rarely seems to be very warm. Maybe Compaq poorly designed their Armada line. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 12h 44m 54s 882ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 00:17:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234302654; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:17:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05264; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:10:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05110; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:10:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05091; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 00:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnote (slip129-37-216-36.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.216.36]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA74252; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:10:14 GMT Message-Id: <199801230510.FAA74252@out2.ibm.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "scosgt@worldnet.att.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 22:14:22 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Screen stretching on 760XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It stretches but not quite to full screen. 640x480 leaves about a .5" border. 800x600 leaves about a 1" border (don't think its stretched at all). On Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:33:44 -0500, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Anyone know if the XGA screen on the 760XD supports full screen >DOS/DirectX games, or do they play in a reduced size window with a black >band around it? >Thanks!! >-- >Reply to > >scosgt@worldnet.att.net > >or > >trenchgun@aol.com > --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 01:40:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271567643; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:40:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07397; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:40:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:38:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07268; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07250; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:38:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts16.loop.net (p19.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA07856 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:37:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801230637.WAA07856@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 22:37:13 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Off topic - school project Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Since there are a lot of Win32 users on here, I need some help. I'm doing an essay on why Windows users think their OS is best, and why OS/2 users think their OS is best, I state different points for each, and conclude which side I'm on. So, if anyone could tell me why they think Windows is better than OS/2, I'd appreciate it. Please send to me, NOT the whole list. For OS/2 users, state why you think OS/2 is better than Windows. Thanks, and sorry for the off topic post. Regards, -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 14h 49m 6s 929ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 01:48:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274888135; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:48:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07810; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:47:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07719; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom7.netcom.com (peckham@netcom7.netcom.com [192.100.81.115]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07707; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 01:47:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from peckham@localhost) by netcom7.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA26911; Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:47:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:47:41 -0800 (PST) From: Peckham Engineering Subject: memory and screen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199801220351.TAA10914@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Did a quick test to see if it was as simple as a case of bad memory in my 701C (don't I wish)... Swapped my old memory in and rebooted the machine, but was able to quickly provoke it into the white screen of death. So now its off to ezserve. I will post a note when I hear what they find. __ Frank Peckham peckham@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 02:14:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA287969674; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:14:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08586; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:13:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:13:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08513; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from prosperous.ee.hit.fi (prosperous.ee.hit.fi [195.148.162.240]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08501; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:13:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (sniper@localhost) by prosperous.ee.hit.fi (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA19640; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:08:45 +0200 (EET) X-Authentication-Warning: prosperous.ee.hit.fi: sniper owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:08:45 +0200 (EET) From: Jani Taskinen X-Sender: sniper@prosperous.ee.hit.fi To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: FP32 and TP760EL -> trap 000d In-Reply-To: <199801222255.OAA00541@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >>After applying Fixpack 32 into my Thinkpad 760EL I get this msg: >> >>Exception in device driver: ES16881$ >>TRAP 000d ...etc usual trap crap... >> >>So obviously the reason to this trap is my es1688 drivers. >>Does anyone know WHICH driver version works with FP32 ? >> >>I tried to install older es1688 drivers but with same trap on boot.. >> > >Try reinstalling MMOS2 again, maybe that will work. Also, you should be able to back out >of the fixpack also. I think that a new Warp 3 FP is coming out soon, maybe that'll fix the problems. I know that I can backout..but I had to install this FP32 'cause it fixes couple of bugs which I have had. So backout is out of question. Gotta try that mmos2 reinstall. (that's partial backout..=) -Jani --------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Email: sniper@iki.fi : ..life is a bitch and then you die.. : : IRC: Jankkuli : : : GSM: +358(0)40 523 5252 : - Trust No One - : : http://www.iki.fi/sniper/ : Member of Koskenkorvan(tm) Kippaajat : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 04:31:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048177889; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:31:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12740; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:28:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12552; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:28:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12540; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:28:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:27:01 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xvfPU-000tj9A; Fri, 23 Jan 98 10:28 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:26:00 +0100 Message-Id: <34c86228.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "Jani Taskinen" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 10:23:04 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FP32 and TP760EL -> trap 000d Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 09:08:45 +0200 (EET), Jani Taskinen wrote: >Gotta try that mmos2 reinstall. (that's partial backout..=) I had a similar problem when installing FP5 for Warp 4 on my 760ED: I wasn't able to play WAVs anymore (some apps crashed, but no real trap). I replaced the MMPM stuff (AFAIK 5 DLLs and 1 SYS) with the 4.0 GA files what made it work again. --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 05:32:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA072571523; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:32:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19654; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:26:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19511; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:26:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19499; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:26:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17539; Fri, 23 Jan 98 05:26:27 EST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 05:26:27 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801231026.AA17539@nile.gnat.com> To: jloyless@netbox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Obviously it is intended that you can run with the lid closed, otherwise why would the TP configuration have the option of not suspending when the lid is closed. I have run many models of the thinkpad with the lid closed with no problems at all. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 05:35:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073891730; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:35:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19940; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:31:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:30:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19846; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19824; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 05:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA23213; Fri, 23 Jan 98 05:30:01 EST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 05:30:01 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801231030.AA23213@nile.gnat.com> To: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Off topic - school project Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul, go to the advocacy newsgroups, or better still find archives of these on DejaNews, you will find literally tens of thousands of advocacy articles. They will be something like comp.os.os2.advocacy etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 08:46:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151613203; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:46:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24946; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:45:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:43:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24837; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:43:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24818; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:43:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24406; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:43:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.16.15]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA24371; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 07:43:31 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123084136.00a03b90@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? In-Reply-To: <9801231026.AA17539@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for the sanity check, guys. I thought it was too weird for words when I read it. I've worked with any number of different ThinkPad models and have *never* had anyone report this kind of problem to me nor had I ever seen anything crop up on the list about it. I knew you could fry eggs on the bottom of the early 760's, but once they put the thermal patch on, you could actually hold the thing in your lap for a while. And I never heard anyone say the heat damaged a hard drive or other components. I don't particularly like the Armada line because of the CTFT screen quality and Compaq support, but in their defense, Compaq builds a solid product overall. The 77xx line has a superior keyboard to the current crop of ThinkPads, IMHO. It has the solid feel that the 75x keyboards had and has their version of a pointing stick. (The screen sucks.) Their 15xx line is a better overall design than the 380 TPs. The palm rest is slanted, and I have less of a feeling that I'm typing with my hands 6" off the desk. They need to lose the touchpad and put a better keyboard on it, though. (And do something about the screen.) At 05:26 AM 1/23/98 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >Obviously it is intended that you can run with the lid closed, otherwise >why would the TP configuration have the option of not suspending when >the lid is closed. I have run many models of the thinkpad with the lid >closed with no problems at all. > And at 08:33 PM 1/22/98 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >I think that the heat must have affected either the embedded servo, the drive >electronics, or both. >Also, it seems that IBM must put the CPU on the bottom. I never saw it when I >disassembled my 701, and I know for a fact the the 355's CPU is on the bottom. >This, and the power inverter (and the battery when charging up) usually get to be the >hottest, but I think the heat is funneled more to the bottom of the machine than the top, >because the top rarely seems to be very warm. >Maybe Compaq poorly designed their Armada line. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 08:48:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152453327; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:48:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25251; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:47:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25152; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25117; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA14762; Fri, 23 Jan 98 08:46:49 EST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 08:46:49 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801231346.AA14762@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, jloyless@netbox.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> By current crop here do you mean the 770? The 770 has a new keyboard which is *very* different from, and *much* better than, the 76x keyboards (at least that is my opinion, keyboards are very personal things). It is also a very quiet keyboard, nice for meetings. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 11:50:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA235824230; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:50:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05726; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:39:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05471; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05459; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19028; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:22 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA19012; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:39:21 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980123113707.009aae90@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:37:07 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Keyboards In-Reply-To: <9801231346.AA14762@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:46 AM 1/23/98 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >By current crop here do you mean the 770? > >The 770 has a new keyboard which is *very* different from, and *much* >better than, the 76x keyboards (at least that is my opinion, keyboards >are very personal things). It is also a very quiet keyboard, nice for >meetings. > Yes, I do include the 770 in that. I had two 770's here for a few weeks doing evals on them, and while it is true that the 770 keyboards are *far* superior to the 76x keyboards, I still don't think they're as good as the ones on the 75x series. And you're right, keyboards as well as pointing devices and screens (and ice cream and cars and TV programs) are very personal things, so... YMMV! Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 12:42:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260927322; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:42:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08333; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:34:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:33:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08222; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:33:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08189; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA14524; Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:33:00 EST Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:33:00 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9801231733.AA14524@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, jloyless@netbox.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Keyboards Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu MMYes, I do include the 770 in that. I had two 770's here for a few weeks doing evals on them, and while it is true that the 770 keyboards are *far* superior to the 76x keyboards, I still don't think they're as good as the ones on the 75x series. >> OK, I *far* prefer the 770 keyboard to the 75x keyboard, so as Jane says TMMV, and this emphasizes an important point. Take *no one's* word on keyboards. Tastes really differ a lot. Some people love the old original clacky keyboard on PC's, some hated them. Keytronics keyboards at that time were either dismissed as mushy, or considered far superior. So try before you buy! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 14:00:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283922024; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:00:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12310; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:49:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11987; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws007.shl.com (docws007.shl.com [159.249.56.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11969; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com (ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.25]) by docws007.shl.com (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16460 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:50:58 -0600 Received: by ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63) id <01BD2806.605C2BD0@ottmsooc02.ooc.shl.com>; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:54:08 -0500 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: cdn $1799 FW: French IBM ThinkPad 560 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:49:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.994.63 Encoding: 35 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FYI Tom T. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, MCI Systemhouse *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: > owner-hc-whatsnew@content03a.advantis.com[SMTP:owner-hc-whatsnew@content03a. >advantis.com] >Sent: 1998 January 22 - Thursday 16:49 >Subject: French IBM ThinkPad 560 > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Dear IBM Home Computing Subscriber > >We are currently offering a great deal on a French IBM ThinkPad 560. >These light-weight and super-slim notebooks don't sacrifice function for >size. 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To get all >the details, come visit us at: > > http://www.can.ibm.com/lamaison > >Hurry offer ends on Wednesday, January 28th, 1998. > > >Jo Ann Ely >IBM Home Computing Interactive > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 15:39:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016747962; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:39:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17190; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:28:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17045; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:28:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17018; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts11.loop.net (p05.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.110]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA29488; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:26:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801232026.MAA29488@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "jloyless@netbox.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:28:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Keyboards Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:33:00 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >MMYes, I do include the 770 in that. I had two 770's here for a few weeks >doing evals on them, and while it is true that the 770 keyboards are *far* >superior to the 76x keyboards, I still don't think they're as good as the >ones on the 75x series. >>> > >OK, I *far* prefer the 770 keyboard to the 75x keyboard, so as Jane says >TMMV, and this emphasizes an important point. Take *no one's* word on >keyboards. Tastes really differ a lot. Some people love the old original >clacky keyboard on PC's, some hated them. Keytronics keyboards at that >time were either dismissed as mushy, or considered far superior. >So try before you buy! > Same here. I like the tactile (click) keyboards, and also that of my 355C (the one made by Lexmark), but I hate keyboards that are too soft, like the Macintosh, and some other notebooks. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 16:40:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029101654; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:40:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20546; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:31:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20312; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:31:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nb.rss.rockwell.com (snail.nb.rss.rockwell.com [157.152.176.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20300; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com (fukatsu-7688.nb.rockwell.com [129.172.182.89]) by nb.rss.rockwell.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22025 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:31:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980123133100.006e6f3c@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:31:00 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: EZServe turn around time? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP755CD and my keyboard has been acting a little weird. Also the left mouse button is dying. I'm thinking of sending it in to get the keyboard replaced before the 3 year waranty expires. (Are these older than 3 years? I don't have my reciept anymore). Anyways I was wondering what the turnaround time is on service like this (I can't get along without it for too long). Also I heard that if there are any memory upgrades, they should be removed. Is this correct? What about software? I suppose I should re-run lilo to default to win95 right? (hehe) -Mike From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 17:03:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA033743010; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:03:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21567; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:50:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21491; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21471; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA00169; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:57:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:57:33 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: French IBM ThinkPad 560 for CA$1799 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks, Tom, for sending that along. For those who don't read French, the ThinkPad 560 on offer is a 2640-FDE: a Pentium 133 with a TFT screen, 8 MB of RAM, a 1.08 GB hard drive, and a French keyboard layout. Given the historic low of the Canadian dollar against the USA dollar, CA$1799 is currently about US$1250. The offer is valid until Wednesday the 28th of January, 4:00 PM Eastern time, or until their stock runs out. Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 17:17:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036183878; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:17:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22657; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:10:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22545; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22525; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:10:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA07641; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:07:37 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA24274; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 12:11:27 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801232211.MAA24274@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: EZServe turn around time? To: mfukatsu@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu (Michael Fukatsu) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:11:27 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.2.32.19980123133100.006e6f3c@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu>; from "Michael Fukatsu" at Jan 23, 98 1:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Anyways I was wondering what the turnaround time is on service like this Usually: (shipping time) + 1/2 day + (waiting for parts [if required]) For most people, the third seems to be the biggest issue. For me (in Hawaii), (1) is usually the killer (G** D** FEDEX!) > (I can't get along without it for too long). Also I heard that if there > are any memory upgrades, they should be removed. Is this correct? What > about software? I suppose I should re-run lilo to default to win95 right? Anything you don't need to boot and reproduce the problem, remove. Also, remove the trackpoint cap - if they're in a good mood, they'll give you a new one. Best to have it boot in W95 or DOS or OS/2. Incidentally, with my TP701 I used to yank the HD before sending it in. This is impossible with the 560, so when I used service last time I had a heck of a time removing private stuff (credit card numbers, passwords files/login scripts, etc). Since then I've discovered a great freeware W95 encryption program, which I can't recommend highly enough for effortless encryption of a small number of files (or while subdirectories): called 'coded drag', at http://www.fim.uni-linz.ac.at - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 17:33:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA040034815; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:33:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23946; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:32:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:31:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23808; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23780; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.01/2.0) id WAA035.57; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:30:02 GMT Message-Id: <199801232230.WAA035.57@bradnet> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 22:30:00 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: ThinkPad TV To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any experience with using a ThinkPad with a PCMCIA TV card? I've just seen one of these advertised and feel like getting one, but before I do I'd like to hear anyone's experience... It doesn't mention any support for Warp, so I may have to bite the bullit.... unless anyone can tell me differently. -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 19:20:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA059741232; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:20:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28388; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:18:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28231; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:18:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28065; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts15.loop.net (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA07879 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801240016.QAA07879@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 16:18:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Getting audio for 701 to work under Win-OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone been able to get the audio working under Win-OS/2 on a 701 with Warp 4? I'd like to start using Faxworks again. TIA. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 23 19:23:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA060521420; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:23:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27981; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:16:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:13:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27682; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:13:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27670; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts15.loop.net (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA07687; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:11:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801240011.QAA07687@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Michael Fukatsu" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 16:13:41 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EZServe turn around time? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:31:00 -0800, Michael Fukatsu wrote: >I have a TP755CD and my keyboard has been acting a little weird. Also the >left mouse button is dying. That also happened on my 355C. I think the keyboard's mouse button has a tendency to do that, but I like the feel of the 355/360/755 keyboard best, though. :) I'm thinking of sending it in to get the >keyboard replaced before the 3 year waranty expires. (Are these older than >3 years? I don't have my reciept anymore). > Call and find out, or try to remember aproximately when you bought it. >Anyways I was wondering what the turnaround time is on service like this >(I can't get along without it for too long). Same here. That's the reason I haven't sent in my 701 for repairs yet. :) Also I heard that if there >are any memory upgrades, they should be removed. Is this correct? What >about software? I suppose I should re-run lilo to default to win95 right? >(hehe) > Take anything that is not related to the original problem out. This include the battery, FD, HD, memory, PCMCIA cards, additional options, etc. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 08:26:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180298417; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:26:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20981; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:24:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20868; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20856; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:22:44 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xw5Zj-000tj5A; Sat, 24 Jan 98 14:24 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 13:06:17 +0100 Message-Id: <34c9d939.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 98 13:06:15 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >have *never* had anyone report this kind of problem to me nor had I >ever seen anything crop up on the list about it Then I'm No. 1: Yesterday I turned on my 760ED, started booting NT4, closed the lid and went for a coffee. When I came back (about 1 hour later :), I opened the lid (the whole TP was fairly hot, not to mention the PCMCIA cards, as I detected later) and saw NT's login screen, telling me to press Ctrl+Alt+Del in order to log in. But when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Del, nothing happened. The keyboard was totally dead. So I wanted to turn the TP off and on again, but that wasn't possible! I only heard a beep, and it kept running!! So I sat in front of my TP and didn't know what to do. I can't reboot it since it has no reset button and NT uses Ctrl+Alt+Del not for rebooting. I can't turn it off. Unplugging doesn't work since it has a battery. So I had to remove the battery while my TP was running (power cable already unplugged). IMO this crash was due to the closed lid. I hope this doesn't happen again. --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 14:44:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA229261040; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:44:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00438; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:40:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00249; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00185; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:40:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA14424; Sat, 24 Jan 98 14:39:30 EST Message-Id: <34CA4363.D00C5D2E@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:39:15 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: playing DVD movies on 770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The DVD/CD-ROM for my 770 arrived yesterday. I went through all the installation instructions, installing the new MPEG features, DVD Region Code, and DVD Movie Program. However, I have been unable to get a DVD movie to play. Currently, I'm borrowing the DVD Demonstration Disk from my video store. This contains snippets from several movies. Has anyone else with a 770 had luck playing DVD movies? The only success I've had is playing snippets in so-called MPEG mode. The DVD movie program, SoftDVD, has two modes: MPEG mode and DVD mode. MPEG mode is for playing files as opposed to DVD disks. If I attempt to play in DVD mode I get an error message saying that it can't find the drive or there is no disk in the drive. However, if I go into MPEG mode, I can open up the DVD disk (D:) and select .VOB files, and they seem to play fine. Something sounds wrong. Has anyone had better luck? --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 16:42:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA246458122; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:42:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03362; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:37:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:35:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03099; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:35:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03087; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:35:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from loveland.wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04584; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:33:35 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:35:02 -0700 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Rainer Feuerstein" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Message-Id: <889239364.885652502@loveland.wwsi.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (Win32) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Actually, it *does* have a reset button! It's on the back, recessed under the hinged cover. --On Saturday, January 24, 1998, 1:06 PM +0100 "Rainer Feuerstein" wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: > >>have *never* had anyone report this kind of problem to me nor had I >>ever seen anything crop up on the list about it > Then I'm No. 1: > Yesterday I turned on my 760ED, started booting NT4, closed the lid and went for a coffee. > When I came back (about 1 hour later :), I opened the lid (the whole TP was fairly hot, not > to mention the PCMCIA cards, as I detected later) and saw NT's login screen, telling me to > press Ctrl+Alt+Del in order to log in. > > But when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Del, nothing happened. > The keyboard was totally dead. > So I wanted to turn the TP off and on again, but that wasn't possible! I only heard a beep, > and it kept running!! > So I sat in front of my TP and didn't know what to do. > I can't reboot it since it has no reset button and NT uses Ctrl+Alt+Del not for rebooting. > I can't turn it off. > Unplugging doesn't work since it has a battery. > > So I had to remove the battery while my TP was running (power cable already unplugged). > > IMO this crash was due to the closed lid. > I hope this doesn't happen again. > > --- > kind regards, > Rainer Feuerstein -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 16:46:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA246928362; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:46:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03822; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:43:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03744; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:43:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03730; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from loveland.wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04639; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:41:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:42:31 -0700 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Lee Hetherington" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: playing DVD movies on 770 Message-Id: <889688164.885652951@loveland.wwsi.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (Win32) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have played DVDs on a 770. It was a little strange, tho. I opened SoftDVD, hit "eject" to make sure it was talking to the correct drive. As I recall, there are some instructions that describe how to change the drive the DVD software talks to -- you need to make sure that's correct. --On Saturday, January 24, 1998, 2:39 PM -0500 "Lee Hetherington" wrote: > The DVD/CD-ROM for my 770 arrived yesterday. I went through all the > installation instructions, installing the new MPEG features, DVD Region > Code, and DVD Movie Program. However, I have been unable to get a DVD > movie to play. Currently, I'm borrowing the DVD Demonstration Disk from > my video store. This contains snippets from several movies. > > Has anyone else with a 770 had luck playing DVD movies? > > The only success I've had is playing snippets in so-called MPEG mode. > The DVD movie program, SoftDVD, has two modes: MPEG mode and DVD mode. > MPEG mode is for playing files as opposed to DVD disks. If I attempt to > play in DVD mode I get an error message saying that it can't find the > drive or there is no disk in the drive. However, if I go into MPEG > mode, I can open up the DVD disk (D:) and select .VOB files, and they > seem to play fine. Something sounds wrong. > > Has anyone had better luck? > > --Lee Hetherington -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 16:56:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA248428994; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:56:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04438; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:55:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04337; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04325; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 16:55:00 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 86256596.007883E5 ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:56:20 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <86256596.0078644B.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:55:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Not having APM on NT4, doesnt help either. rich thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de on 01-24-98 06:06:15 AM Please respond to thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Rich Chong/SHARE Inc) Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: >have *never* had anyone report this kind of problem to me nor had I >ever seen anything crop up on the list about it Then I'm No. 1: Yesterday I turned on my 760ED, started booting NT4, closed the lid and went for a coffee. When I came back (about 1 hour later :), I opened the lid (the whole TP was fairly hot, not to mention the PCMCIA cards, as I detected later) and saw NT's login screen, telling me to press Ctrl+Alt+Del in order to log in. But when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Del, nothing happened. The keyboard was totally dead. So I wanted to turn the TP off and on again, but that wasn't possible! I only heard a beep, and it kept running!! So I sat in front of my TP and didn't know what to do. I can't reboot it since it has no reset button and NT uses Ctrl+Alt+Del not for rebooting. I can't turn it off. Unplugging doesn't work since it has a battery. So I had to remove the battery while my TP was running (power cable already unplugged). IMO this crash was due to the closed lid. I hope this doesn't happen again. --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 17:05:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249339514; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:05:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28070; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:16:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27919; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27861; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:16:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts15.loop.net (p00.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.225]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA07810 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:14:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801240014.QAA07810@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 16:16:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: EZServe turn around time? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 23 Jan 98 12:11:27 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Anyways I was wondering what the turnaround time is on service like this > >Usually: (shipping time) + 1/2 day + (waiting for parts [if required]) For me, it seems to be about a week, because the morons at Easyserve ALWAYS point the problem at me, and then find out they were wrong! > >For most people, the third seems to be the biggest issue. For me (in Hawaii), >(1) is usually the killer (G** D** FEDEX!) > >> (I can't get along without it for too long). Also I heard that if there >> are any memory upgrades, they should be removed. Is this correct? What >> about software? I suppose I should re-run lilo to default to win95 right? > >Anything you don't need to boot and reproduce the problem, remove. Also, remove >the trackpoint cap - if they're in a good mood, they'll give you a new one. > If it's very worn out, don't worry about it. A bad mouse means the whole keyboard will be replaced anyways. >Best to have it boot in W95 or DOS or OS/2. > >Incidentally, with my TP701 I used to yank the HD before sending it in. This is >impossible with the 560, so when I used service last time I had a heck of a time >removing private stuff (credit card numbers, passwords files/login scripts, etc). >Since then I've discovered a great freeware W95 encryption program, which I can't >recommend highly enough for effortless encryption of a small number of files >(or while subdirectories): called 'coded drag', at http://www.fim.uni-linz.ac.at > >- David > > -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 17:06:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA250079615; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:06:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04869; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:01:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:00:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04779; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:00:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from aspen.wwsi.com (aspen.wwsi.com [206.83.112.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04765; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 17:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from loveland.wwsi.com (ssh-tp.wwsi.com [206.83.112.3]) by aspen.wwsi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04738; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:59:03 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 15:00:30 -0700 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org, thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Message-Id: <890767504.885654030@loveland.wwsi.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (Win32) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu APM for NT4 is available from the IBM Thinkpad pages. However, if you haven't installed it, that could indeed be a problem. --On Saturday, January 24, 1998, 3:55 PM -0500 Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > > Not having APM on NT4, doesnt help either. > rich > > > > > thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de on 01-24-98 06:06:15 AM > > Please respond to thinkpad@bedrock.mayn.de > > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > cc: (bcc: Rich Chong/SHARE Inc) > Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? > > > > > On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:41:36 -0500, Jane Loyless wrote: > >>have *never* had anyone report this kind of problem to me nor had I >>ever seen anything crop up on the list about it > Then I'm No. 1: > Yesterday I turned on my 760ED, started booting NT4, closed the lid and > went for a coffee. When I came back (about 1 hour later :), I opened the > lid (the whole TP was fairly hot, not to mention the PCMCIA cards, as I > detected later) and saw NT's login screen, telling me to press Ctrl+Alt+Del > in order to log in. > > But when I pressed Ctrl+Alt+Del, nothing happened. > The keyboard was totally dead. > So I wanted to turn the TP off and on again, but that wasn't possible! I > only heard a beep, and it kept running!! > So I sat in front of my TP and didn't know what to do. > I can't reboot it since it has no reset button and NT uses Ctrl+Alt+Del not > for rebooting. I can't turn it off. > Unplugging doesn't work since it has a battery. > > So I had to remove the battery while my TP was running (power cable already > unplugged). > > IMO this crash was due to the closed lid. > I hope this doesn't happen again. > > --- > kind regards, > Rainer Feuerstein > > > > > > -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 21:28:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288205295; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:28:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10928; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:23:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10737; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:23:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ecse.rpi.edu (root@ecse.rpi.edu [128.113.40.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10725; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ecse.rpi.edu (speed.ecse.rpi.edu [128.113.40.10]) by ecse.rpi.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23942 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:22:43 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801250222.VAA23942@ecse.rpi.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: problem: serial port is unidirectional Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 21:22:42 -0500 From: Wm Randolph Franklin Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu HW: Thinkpad 755CD, 800MB disk, 24MB memory. IBM patches installed: uttpg101/102, sytpe144, mwmidiw1, mw95225x. OS: Win95 4.00.950 B. Problem: The serial port works only one way with kermit. If I run kermit on the laptop, and connect the serial port to something else, then chars that I type on the laptop appear on the other end. However, chars that I type on the other end don't appear on the laptop. The other end is either a dumb tty or a workstation running kermit. I've tested every component of the cable to the laptop by connecting another connector to it, then using that to connect the tty and the workstation. Chars flow both ways. The laptop's bios self test passes the serial port. Where should I look now? Altho it could theoretically be a broken wire on the internal side of the port connector, I'm leaning towards a SW problem, perhaps a modem config problem, even tho there is no modem in use. Kermit says that CD, DSR, and CTS are all off, which is very suspicious. Is there any way to config the serial port to pretend that all these modem signals are on? I've browsed all the obvious places on the laptop. I also tried hyperterm in place of kermit on the laptop. It also works unidirectionally, except that it tends to lock up so badly that c-a-del scarcely works. Serial port A is COM1, using IRQ 4. Nothing else is using IRQ 4 (since I disabled the IR). The serial port has power. Thanks for any help. ------------------------ Wm. Randolph Franklin Associate Professor wrf@ecse.rpi.edu http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/Homepages/wrf/ +1 (518) 276-6077; Fax: -6261 ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA (PGP key available) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 24 23:37:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA008963056; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:37:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13710; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13592; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13580; Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA16501; Sat, 24 Jan 98 23:35:02 EST Message-Id: <34CAC0F4.55D10A82@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 23:35:00 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: playing DVD movies on 770 References: <889688164.885652951@loveland.wwsi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I managed to get it working. I ended up reinstalling SoftDVD. It seems that I wasn't paying attention when it asked which drive it should pay attention to, and I believe this was my problem. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 05:07:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067622856; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:07:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22281; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:07:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:06:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22150; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (root@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22138; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 05:05:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from MYHOSTNAME (zzcwyril.dialin.uq.net.au [203.101.229.10]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07092 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:05:41 +1000 (GMT+1000) Message-Id: <34CB0EC5.2F54@uq.net.au> Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:07:01 +1000 From: Craig Reply-To: wyrill@uq.net.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Greetings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi. I'm new to the list and am a THinkpad 380 owner. IT's a p150 (non-mmx) with 8*CD, 1.35Gb HDD and I'm running OS/2 warp on it. I'm in Australia. I have a few requests. I'm having trouble running a PCMCIA moden and was wpondering whether anyone had trouble with PCMCIA modems under this version of OS/2. I am also trying to get the details on how to run my Toast and Jam SCSI card under OS/2. Any help would be gratefully received Thanks Craig From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 10:03:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA092360638; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:03:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01886; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:01:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01686; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01674; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ISSBH8LVVKA0UYD7@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:01:47 MST Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 07:55:26 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Keyboards In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:37:07 -0500" <3.0.1.32.19980123113707.009aae90@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ISSBYKCXAQA0UYD7@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <9801231346.AA14762@nile.gnat.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Yes, I do include the 770 in that. I had two 770's here for a few weeks > doing evals on them, and while it is true that the 770 keyboards are *far* > superior to the 76x keyboards, I still don't think they're as good as the > ones on the 75x series. It's probably too soon to know but hopefully the 770 keyboard will last longer than the 75x series. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone's having any of the same problems - keys at times don't work even though they have been stuck with enough force that they should have, or the left (most used) mouse button wearing out... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 10:11:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093381118; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:11:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02233; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:10:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02159; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02146; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 10:10:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ISSBH8LVVKA0UYD7@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:10:46 MST Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 08:03:43 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: EZServe turn around time? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:31:00 -0800" <3.0.2.32.19980123133100.006e6f3c@gauss.ee.calpoly.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ISSCAO5HQ4A0UYD7@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have a TP755CD and my keyboard has been acting a little weird. Also the > left mouse button is dying. I'm thinking of sending it in to get the > keyboard replaced before the 3 year waranty expires. (Are these older than > 3 years? I don't have my reciept anymore). I just had this done on my 755CE - it left me Friday, got to IBM on Monday and was back to me Wednesday. My three years runs out next month.. I think I mentioned this before here - what I got was a used keyboard, it works ok but I ordered another new one as I'd like to keep this Thinkpad a while longer and these key- boards won't last anywhere near as long as the rest of it all... You can remove everything (battery, CD drive, hard disk, memory) before sending it in - IBM doesn't need any of these to fix the keyboard. The battery weighs a lot (taking it out means less stress in shipping), the CD drive is probably somewhat fragile and the hard disk has all your software on it. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 12:40:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110230007; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:40:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05498; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:39:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05305; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05291; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:35:00 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xwW00-000tj5A; Sun, 25 Jan 98 18:37 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:05:55 +0100 Message-Id: <34cb38b3.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:05:53 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:29:15 +0000, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: >Normal if the PC is in suspend mode. I'm not sure about the terminology. My Handbook is in german. "Suspend mode" is what you get when pressing Fn+F4 or closing the lid, right? Hibernation is Fn+F12, but that's disabled here. What's the name of the mode you get by pressing Fn+F3? In my case the TP was *not* in suspend mode. I saw the login prompt and not a black screen as usual. >If your 760ED is anything like our 755CX and 765D, there is a reset button. [Leaning over the TP] Hey, yes, you're right! :) I never recognized this button. I should have done some more RTFM before writing to this list... My apologies... >Do you have the current BIOS? Yes, I updated some weeks ago because I consider upgrading to a 5 gig HD. >Do you have the current versions of the IBM NT drivers? No, it's still TP Features 3.57, but the newer versions are only different in that they support the 770. I did not install Plug'n'Play for PCMCIA since it works with NT's built in services. >is hibernate after suspend disabled) yes >if you have a FAT partition yes, NT is on FAT --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 12:51:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA111980696; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:51:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06306; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:50:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06206; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06194; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts14.loop.net (p02.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.197]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14253; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:48:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801251748.JAA14253@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Rainer Feuerstein" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 09:48:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Heat buildup with lid closed? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:05:53 +0100, Rainer Feuerstein wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 10:29:15 +0000, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: > >>Normal if the PC is in suspend mode. >I'm not sure about the terminology. My Handbook is in german. >"Suspend mode" is what you get when pressing Fn+F4 or closing the lid, right? >Hibernation is Fn+F12, but that's disabled here. >What's the name of the mode you get by pressing Fn+F3? > Standby. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 12h 16m 37s 570ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 12:54:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113100875; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:54:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05633; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:39:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05331; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05302; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 18:35:00 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0xwW00-000tj5A; Sun, 25 Jan 98 18:37 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:10:46 +0100 Message-Id: <34cb39d6.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 14:10:44 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Greetings Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:07:01 +1000, Craig wrote: > I have a few requests. I'm having trouble running a PCMCIA moden and >was wpondering whether anyone had trouble with PCMCIA modems under this >version of OS/2. Is it Warp 3 or Warp 4? Do you have SIO installed? >I am also trying to get the details on how to run my >Toast and Jam SCSI card under OS/2. I spent a lot of time with a NewMedia BusToaster on OS/2, without success. Then I bought Adaptec's 1460 ("SlimSCSI") which worked immediately, even on Linux and NT, where the BusToaster didn't work either. --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jan 25 14:21:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127646114; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:21:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08312; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:19:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08157; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08143; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 14:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.233) with smtp for id ; Sun, 25 Jan 98 13:19:43 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 13:19:49 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Greetings Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Craig Sun, 25 Jan 1998 20:07:01 +1000  I'm having trouble running a PCMCIA moden and  was wpondering whether anyone had trouble with PCMCIA modems under this  version of OS/2. What version, 3 or 4? What kinds of problems? The Toast and Jam, is that a Bus Toaster card? There are drivers available for it somewhere; I have no personal experience with it. Anyway, for the modem: Open Hardware Manager (Warp4) and check to make sure the IRQ and base address you want to use are available. Next, open the Plug and Play for PCMCIA folder and run AUTOUTL2.EXE. If you have any modems listed in the box on the right, highlight them and click the Delete button. Now highlight the modem you want to use on the left and click Edit. In the settings dialog that comes up, enter the IRQ you wish to use (use direct entry, the dropdown list only gives you a choice of 3 or 4) and save it. Save everything and reboot your machine. You should now be able to use your modem card. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 01/25/98, 13:13:39 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 02:40:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239440444; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:40:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25831; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:38:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:36:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25549; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25536; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts00.loop.net (p11.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13317 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:34:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BillG@Microsoft.COM) Message-Id: <199801260734.XAA13317@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 14:29:14 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sources for 12.7mm drives for 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone want to sell their old 12.7mm drive from their 701 because of an upgrade? I need a cheap extra drive for Linux, in addition to my plans of hopefully buying a new external monitor and upgradding to 40MB like everybody else. BTW, anyone want to buy a 4MB module when I upgrade? It'll be really cheap! Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 02:40:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239510456; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:40:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25833; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:37:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25599; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25587; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:37:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts00.loop.net (p11.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13310; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:34:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from BillG@Microsoft.COM) Message-Id: <199801260734.XAA13310@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "ttrottier@shl.com" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 14:26:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:07:03 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 at 10:22 AM you, "TROTTIER, Tom" , >said: > >>I am thinking of upgrading too.. some questions: >>1. Does the plastic wrap resemble Saran wrap? Would several layers of >>Saran wrap work as well? 2. Would the plastic wrap cause any overheating >>or reduced component life? > >I have no idea what "Saran wrap" is, but you can easily see for yourself >what the original plastic wrap looks like by taking the drive off your >TP701, which is very easily and safely done (after all, the TP701 drives >were designed to be removable). > Saran wrap is a plastic wrap for foods. >I suppose IBM wouldn't have wrapped the drives if it could have damaged >them. It probably also protects the drive against dust and oxidation. > Or electro-static, perhaps. >At one time my TP701 acted as my home Internet server and was switched on >24 hours a day for more than 5 months. Neither the TP701 nor the drive >itself appeared to have suffered from any kind of overheating. > Long time. I had my ThinkPad on for like 1.5 weeks straight, and my Linux server for about 2 weeks, all the time, w/ external SCSI peripherals. Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 02:42:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239710570; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:42:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26100; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:40:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25986; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25974; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 02:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p11.hwts00.loop.net (p11.hwts00.loop.net [207.211.61.26]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA13425 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 23:38:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801260738.XAA13425@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 98 23:38:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Sources for 2.1 gig HDs for ThinkPad 701CS Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 17 Aug 97 14:26:56, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Thu, 14 Aug 97 18:07:03 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: > >>On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 at 10:22 AM you, "TROTTIER, Tom" , >>said: >> >>>I am thinking of upgrading too.. some questions: >>>1. Does the plastic wrap resemble Saran wrap? Would several layers of >>>Saran wrap work as well? 2. Would the plastic wrap cause any overheating >>>or reduced component life? >> >>I have no idea what "Saran wrap" is, but you can easily see for yourself >>what the original plastic wrap looks like by taking the drive off your >>TP701, which is very easily and safely done (after all, the TP701 drives >>were designed to be removable). >> >Saran wrap is a plastic wrap for foods. > >>I suppose IBM wouldn't have wrapped the drives if it could have damaged >>them. It probably also protects the drive against dust and oxidation. >> >Or electro-static, perhaps. > >>At one time my TP701 acted as my home Internet server and was switched on >>24 hours a day for more than 5 months. Neither the TP701 nor the drive >>itself appeared to have suffered from any kind of overheating. >> >Long time. I had my ThinkPad on for like 1.5 weeks straight, and my Linux server >for about 2 weeks, all the time, w/ external SCSI peripherals. > Opps, this came from an old archive. Please ignore and delete this. Sorry for the un-nessecary bandwidth. Regards, -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 126 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 57m 53s 570ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 13:13:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016028402; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:13:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27595; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:01:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26687; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:01:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26666; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/) with SMTP id LAA24959 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 11:52:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34CCD001.2B27@anet-dfw.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:03:45 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: What kind of microphone for Thinkpad? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've purchased 3 different mini microphones for my 360PE now and none of them work! The only mic I can get to work is the full-sized musician's mic with a converter attached. I know the other mics work... Is there some kind of special microphone required for these things? I wanted a small one so I could carry it around with me... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 13:38:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020579939; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:38:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00699; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:31:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:30:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00412; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00378; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA05770; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:29:58 -0600 (CST) Received: from dts_jl ([10.145.181.44]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA05753; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 12:29:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980126132754.00993da0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:27:54 -0500 To: mikew@anet-dfw.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: What kind of microphone for Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <34CCD001.2B27@anet-dfw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:03 PM 1/26/98 -0600, Mike Welch wrote: > I've purchased 3 different mini microphones for my 360PE now and none of >them work! The only mic I can get to work is the full-sized musician's >mic with a converter attached. > >I know the other mics work... > >Is there some kind of special microphone required for these things? I >wanted a small one so I could carry it around with me... > The mike needs to have its own power source - check out http://www.andreaelectronics.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 13:56:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025081018; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:56:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02487; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:48:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02365; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox3.funet.fi (pobox3.funet.fi [128.214.46.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02310; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:48:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from cronus.ncp.fi (root@cronus.ncp.fi [195.148.194.10]) by pobox3.funet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.8/FUNET/Rtrs-1.14) with ESMTP id UAA04642 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:43:44 +0200 (EET) Received: from fw2.kolmi.tamro.com (unknownKolmiVan.kolmi.tamro.com [194.188.151.208]) by cronus.ncp.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09266 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:37:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199801261937.VAA09266@cronus.ncp.fi> From: "Jyrki Richard Viksten" To: Subject: battery problem! Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:50:33 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know what could be possible wrong with my tp, when I put my battery to its place my tp dosent switch on, its like short circuit same with supply voltage if battery is inside in tp but without battery no problem and when I switch it on and put battery after it says like defective battery. But I took my batteries to battery service and they said batteries are all right! Anyone had same kinda problems before?? Jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 26 19:28:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093170895; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:28:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25257; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:23:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25080; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:23:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25067; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/) with SMTP id SAA13787 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:14:01 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34CD2982.6E0C@anet-dfw.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 18:25:38 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Good price... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I saw this on the dfwsale newsgroup and thought I'd pass it along. This is a good price for this model and these folks have (so it says) 123 of them! You can get the same model with the same configuration (without Windows) refurbished for $599 from ibm direct. That will include a good battery and who knows what the condition of the battery is of these below, but it's still a fair buy. No affiliation with this company and don't know how good/bad they are, just passing along the info. IBM Thinkpad 360PE 486DX2/50, 12Meg RAM, 340HD, 9.5" Dual-Scan Color Display, 2 PCMCIA Slots, Trackpoint, Pen Feature, Windows & DOS 90 day warranty. Great units These units have the original factory preload!!! $499 123 Call In Advance To Ensure Availability. Cyber Exchange 2250 Airport Freeway Suite 300 Bedford, TX 76022 817-267-5151 SE Corner of 183 & Central Drive Open Everyday 10-9 Except Sunday Noon-5 100 Stores Around The Globe And Growing !!! http://www.cyberexchange.com/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 00:17:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141288242; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:17:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05424; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:15:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:13:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05288; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05276; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:13:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA27622; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:11:19 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA26486; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:15:14 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801270515.TAA26486@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Good price... To: mikew@anet-dfw.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 19:15:13 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34CD2982.6E0C@anet-dfw.com>; from "Mike Welch" at Jan 26, 98 6:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Speaking of which, I've seen lots of Thinkpad 701s showing up for decent prices at auction sites (e.g. www.surplusauction.com) - David > > I saw this on the dfwsale newsgroup and thought I'd pass it along. This > is a good price for this model and these folks have (so it says) 123 of > them! > > You can get the same model with the same configuration (without Windows) > refurbished for $599 from ibm direct. That will include a good battery > and who knows what the condition of the battery is of these below, but > it's still a fair buy. > > No affiliation with this company and don't know how good/bad they are, > just passing along the info. > > IBM Thinkpad 360PE 486DX2/50, 12Meg RAM, 340HD, 9.5" Dual-Scan Color > Display, 2 PCMCIA Slots, Trackpoint, Pen Feature, Windows & DOS 90 day > warranty. Great units These units have the original factory preload!!! > $499 123 > > Call In Advance To Ensure Availability. > > Cyber Exchange > 2250 Airport Freeway > Suite 300 > Bedford, TX 76022 > 817-267-5151 > SE Corner of 183 & Central Drive > Open Everyday 10-9 > Except Sunday Noon-5 > > 100 Stores Around The Globe And Growing !!! > > http://www.cyberexchange.com/ > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 00:44:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146889855; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:44:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06630; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:43:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06560; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06547; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.131.217]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAC29800 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 05:42:22 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 23:45:51 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980127054213.AAC29800@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently bought a 40Mb IBM PCMCIA HDD to use as storage for large Power Point presentation file thinking that I would have less compatibility problems with IBM than other manufacturers. It installed in my 701 running Win95 fine and the O/S recognized the devise, but apparently no drivers are loaded so I don't get an icon and am unable to access the drive. IBM says that the devise has been withdrawn and there are no drivers available for it to operate under Win95. So am I just out of luck? Or do some of the other list members have come across a solution. As these units seem to be appearing on various auction at reasonable prices, I was hoping to test this one with the intention of getting several more. I'd appreciate any help or comment on this problem. Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 00:50:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148650235; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:50:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07094; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:49:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:48:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07009; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06989; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts14.loop.net (p20.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.215]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA27957 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 1998 21:46:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801270546.VAA27957@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 98 21:46:38 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 701 - HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone been able to boot up a 701's HD under a regular IDE or EIDE controller? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 81 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 47m 27s 609ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 10:32:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA220995122; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:32:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00670; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:25:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00350; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00308; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 10:25:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA12866; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:25:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:33:22 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770DB@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'Paul Khoury'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: TP 701 - HD Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:22:17 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Paul, The hard drive *itself* should do just fine. I used several drives on a regular IDE controller (with an adapter) that I later used in my 701C. The IBM preloads and any 701-specific hardware calls in your OS, on the other hand, will probably confuse the hell out of any desktop you try to use the drive to boot. Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury [SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 1998 8:10 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP 701 - HD Has anyone been able to boot up a 701's HD under a regular IDE or EIDE controller? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Proudly using OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 81 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 47m 27s 609ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 16:20:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA295406009; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19745; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:02:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19368; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19275; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p18.hwts15.loop.net (p18.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.243]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21986; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:58:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801272058.MAA21986@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 13:00:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP 701 - HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:22:17 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi Paul, >The hard drive *itself* should do just fine. I used several drives on a >regular IDE controller (with an adapter) that I later used in my 701C. The >IBM preloads and any 701-specific hardware calls in your OS, on the other >hand, will probably confuse the hell out of any desktop you try to use the >drive to boot. > Well, yeah, but I just meant to read from as a slave primary or master secondary drive (for those who understand that jargon). I just wanted to zip an entire HPFS partition and store it to some other media temporarily, and then try to recover it, zipping it through Linux, as nearly 50% of everything is VERY LONG file names. :) Thanks. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 14m 4s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 16:20:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA295616057; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:20:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19726; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19200; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19162; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p18.hwts15.loop.net (p18.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.243]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21977; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 12:57:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801272057.MAA21977@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 98 13:00:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP 701 - HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 09:22:17 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi Paul, >The hard drive *itself* should do just fine. I used several drives on a >regular IDE controller (with an adapter) that I later used in my 701C. The >IBM preloads and any 701-specific hardware calls in your OS, on the other >hand, will probably confuse the hell out of any desktop you try to use the >drive to boot. > Well, yeah, but I just meant to read from as a slave primary or master secondary drive (for those who understand that jargon). I just wanted to zip an entire HPFS partition and store it to some other media temporarily, and then try to recover it, zipping it through Linux, as nearly 50% of everything is VERY LONG file names. :) Thanks. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 14m 4s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 16:25:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296966338; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:25:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19731; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19230; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox3.funet.fi (pobox3.funet.fi [128.214.46.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19218; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cronus.ncp.fi (root@cronus.ncp.fi [195.148.194.10]) by pobox3.funet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.8/FUNET/Rtrs-1.14) with ESMTP id WAA01044 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:56:22 +0200 (EET) Received: from fw2.kolmi.tamro.com (unknownKolmiVan.kolmi.tamro.com [194.188.151.208]) by cronus.ncp.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06471 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:50:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199801272150.XAA06471@cronus.ncp.fi> From: "Jyrki Richard Viksten" To: "tp-list" Subject: big problema!! Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 23:02:44 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My tp 701 got short circuit and it dosent run anymore....memory dosent ru= n and it gives in right down corner number 30.Does anyone has manual and ca= n tell what number 30 means? Oh..boy I hope I=B4ll get it right still...Any= one knows whats wrong?? jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 16:40:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001017234; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:40:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21321; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:31:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21150; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21130; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 16:28:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from x2-35.d.enteract.com (x2-35.d.enteract.com [207.229.149.179]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id PAA05613 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 15:28:54 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP 701] 8613 POST error Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:28:59 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34d95028.42446631@mail.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Listers I've got a chance at a great deal on an IBM 701C DX4-75 720MB HDD, port rep. and floppy included for under $500. Problem is that the system's trackpoint doesn't work and gives error code 8613 (keyboard error). Current owner has disabled the Trackpoint and attached an external mouse. Might be a good chance to upgrade my back-up system >from the 510CS - wouldn't the system still be under warranty (I was told once by IBM that every 701DX4 has to be warranted until 5/98, since they weren't released until 5/95) and if not, how much would it be to fix? (Common fixes seem to be: replace keyboard, replace system board). Also, the IBM refurb site is listing the same model with dual scan for $695 at http://refurbishedpcs.financing.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/;display/category?cgmenbr=1&cgrfnbr=1 if anyone's interested in that sort of thing. 8MB upgrade chip and 360MB drive, though. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 17:30:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012250236; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:30:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23661; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23537; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23525; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA14543; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:23:51 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 17:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: French IBM ThinkPad 560 for CA$1799 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, I've just received an answer from IBM Canada regarding the French ThinkPad 560 on offer for CA$1799: they do not ship to addresses outside of Canada. Thus, any purchases will be subject to GST/PST/HST. Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 20:43:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079911818; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:43:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02075; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:29:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01874; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ice.clark.net (mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01858; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:29:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by ice.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA16459 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:29:35 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD2B62.486C7A20.shin_hw@clark.net> From: Henry Shin To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS: New SelectADock I for TP760/765 series Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 20:29:25 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 22 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have 2 brand new sealed IBM SelectADock I for sale. The docking station works with the TP760 series (E/ED) and 765's. I don't have the base dock which you need to make the docking station work. But, they are readily available at any major mail order places. I have had a SelectADock I setup with TP760E and absolutely loved it. It is nice to be able to access the floppy drive and the cdrom at the same time. And, you can add another a PCI or an ISA card to expand the Thinkpad. My asking price is $350 or best offer. So, make offers. I may not sell it to you but low offers will not offend me. I think large mail order places charge $550 for the same item. I have sent before a FS email to this list regarding Thinkpad items only. And, I did not get any negative feedback, only positive feedbacks. So, I hope you take advantage of some bargains. Best regards, Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jan 27 22:36:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096548578; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:36:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07201; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:32:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07091; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07078; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 22:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from p26.hwts09.loop.net (p26.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.71]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA20821; Tue, 27 Jan 1998 19:31:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801280331.TAA20821@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "epbrown@enteract.com" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 98 19:30:44 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP 701] 8613 POST error Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 27 Jan 1998 21:28:59 GMT, epbrown wrote: > Listers > I've got a chance at a great deal on an IBM 701C DX4-75 720MB HDD, >port rep. and floppy included for under $500. Problem is that the >system's trackpoint doesn't work and gives error code 8613 (keyboard >error). Current owner has disabled the Trackpoint and attached an >external mouse. Might be a good chance to upgrade my back-up system >from the 510CS - wouldn't the system still be under warranty (I was >told once by IBM that every 701DX4 has to be warranted until 5/98, >since they weren't released until 5/95) and if not, how much would it >be to fix? (Common fixes seem to be: replace keyboard, replace system >board). Probably replace the keyboard. I have **EXACTL** the same error and problem with mine, and use this crummy Microsoft mouse. I miss the TrackPoint. I just won't send it in 'til I get a backup. :) -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 31m 31s 726ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 02:09:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152671375; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:09:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14049; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:08:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:06:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13833; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13820; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 02:06:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dach.demon.co.uk ([194.222.61.229]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2017922; 28 Jan 98 6:18 GMT Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 05:58:16 -0000 Message-Id: <01BD2BB1.BA02E6C0.chris@dach.demon.co.uk> From: Chris Alba To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP760CD Resume/Suspend Errors Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:56:23 -0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 9 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If I use dail-up-connection (to ISP etc.) after being in resume or suspend, I get a blue screen memory error message. I have to do a complete re-boot every time. Any views from the experts please? Chris chris@dach.demon.co.uk Pager : 01523 - 456204 "Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 09:03:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232156190; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:03:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02116; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:00:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01892; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox3.funet.fi (pobox3.funet.fi [128.214.46.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01880; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cronus.ncp.fi (root@cronus.ncp.fi [195.148.194.10]) by pobox3.funet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.8/FUNET/Rtrs-1.14) with ESMTP id PAA18125 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:55:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from fw2.kolmi.tamro.com (unknownKolmiVan.kolmi.tamro.com [194.188.151.208]) by cronus.ncp.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA31579 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:50:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199801281450.QAA31579@cronus.ncp.fi> From: "Jyrki Richard Viksten" To: "tp-list" Subject: code 30?? Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 16:02:42 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu does anyone knows for sure what code 30 means in tp 701 means? does it means that mother board has been destroyed? jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 10:02:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA243239720; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:02:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05228; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:59:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05071; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05049; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01ISWIRJL5GY9PN702@cc.usu.edu> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:59:21 MST Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 07:59:17 -0700 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: code 30?? To: Jyrki Richard Viksten Cc: tp-list Reply-To: greg.alvandian@usu.edu Message-Id: <34CF47C5.7149DF2A@usu.edu> Organization: USU Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199801281450.QAA31579@cronus.ncp.fi> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is the code just 30? or is it 30xx, x being any number? An FRU code of 32 is an external keyboard, a code of 33 is an external mouse, but I wasn't able to fine a code 30. A POST error code of 30x is usually an external device, while a POST code of 30xx is also an external device. System board codes are usually in the 1xx range. Don't think it's your board. If any peripherals are attached try removing them. Then try booting up your computer while holding down the F1 key. Hold it down until the Easy Setup screen appears then click on the test icon. You can test all components here or selcet individual components for testing. hope this helps -Greg A. Jyrki Richard Viksten wrote: > > does anyone knows for sure what code 30 means in tp 701 means? > does it means that mother board has been destroyed? > jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 10:57:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251593072; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:57:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07822; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:49:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07700; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07687; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/) with SMTP id JAA18756; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:39:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34CF5409.61A7@anet-dfw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:51:37 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD References: <19980127054213.AAC29800@infinia> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Stan, That's an utter CROCK! It's not like offering the 300K compressed file on their web site would be a lot of work for them. They _should_ have them up there. What model hard disk is it? Also, what OSR of Win95 are you running? Someone recently posted a message stating some kind of problem with the PCMCIA on certain models and that the OSR1 drivers work better. I beat my head against the wall trying to get a Western Digital to work and finally gave up (sad fact is, I can write to it, but not without really odd FAT errors). Stanley Chen wrote: > > I recently bought a 40Mb IBM PCMCIA HDD to use as storage for large Power > Point presentation file thinking that I would have less compatibility > problems with IBM than other manufacturers. It installed in my 701 running > Win95 fine and the O/S recognized the devise, but apparently no drivers are > loaded so I don't get an icon and am unable to access the drive. IBM says > that the devise has been withdrawn and there are no drivers available for > it to operate under Win95. So am I just out of luck? Or do some of the > other list members have come across a solution. As these units seem to be > appearing on various auction at reasonable prices, I was hoping to test > this one with the intention of getting several more. I'd appreciate any > help or comment on this problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 10:57:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251643073; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:57:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08315; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08229; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08211; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/) with SMTP id JAA19125; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:45:53 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34CF5585.78E3@anet-dfw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 09:57:57 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jyrki Richard Viksten Cc: tp-list Subject: Re: big problema!! References: <199801272150.XAA06471@cronus.ncp.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you sure it's 30? I have the error list for the 701C/CS and the closest error numbers I see are: 32: External keyboard 33: External mouse Considering that both are in the 30-39 range, I'd suspect something external to your unit. Jyrki Richard Viksten wrote: >=20 > My tp 701 got short circuit and it dosent run anymore....memory dosent = run > and it gives in right down corner number 30.Does anyone has manual and = can > tell what number 30 means? Oh..boy I hope I=B4ll get it right still...A= nyone > knows whats wrong?? > jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 11:19:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA257324364; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:19:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09683; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:17:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09587; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox3.funet.fi (pobox3.funet.fi [128.214.46.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09559; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from cronus.ncp.fi (root@cronus.ncp.fi [195.148.194.10]) by pobox3.funet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.8/FUNET/Rtrs-1.14) with ESMTP id SAA20874 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:12:21 +0200 (EET) Received: from fw2.kolmi.tamro.com (unknownKolmiVan.kolmi.tamro.com [194.188.151.208]) by cronus.ncp.fi (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01583 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:06:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199801281706.TAA01583@cronus.ncp.fi> From: "Jyrki Richard Viksten" To: "tp-list" Subject: big problema Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:19:05 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu yes its green number 30 not with xx. I was in touch with ibm and they told me something that code 30 means , test dma transvers, what that means?? but hearing my problem they were guessing mother board or memory error. Greg, when i hold f1 nothing happens cos it dosent read any memory. I really hope its not mother board but it looks like , to fix it costs about 400US dollars.It might be caused by external device cos I inserted defevtice battery yesterday in my tp 701c and after that its been like this! send more comments for this if there is any?? jyrki From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 11:30:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA260505030; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:30:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10523; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:27:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:26:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10387; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from r02n02.cac.psu.edu (r02a02.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10372; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 89171.hbg.psu.edu (89171.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.89.171]) by r02n02.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA59168 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:26:42 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980128112406.007b8e10@email.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:24:06 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Robert Munzenrider Subject: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu HELP! I've purchased a 28.8 modem on a PCMCIA card in a sale at Egghead Software. I want to install it in my 701, which I have upgraded to Win95. I have come to discover that, back when my 701 first came loaded with Win3.11, there used to be a program called PC Card Director in the /Thinkpad subdirectory. Evidentally (and stupidly) I must have zapped this subdirecotry when I did the Win95 upgrade. I have several questions: (1a) Do I need this PC Card Director under Win95? (1b) If so, can someone direct me to an IBM site where I can get a copy of PC Card Director program? (2a) Is there any source literature about installing PCMCIA cards in 701s under Win95? (2b) if so, where can I obtain a copy? Thanks. Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 12:10:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269637448; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:10:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13251; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13151; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13138; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA19992 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:08:55 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:16:32 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770E8@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into problems, and what were they? Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Robert Munzenrider [SMTP:rfm@psu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 11:02 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 HELP! I've purchased a 28.8 modem on a PCMCIA card in a sale at Egghead Software. I want to install it in my 701, which I have upgraded to Win95. I have come to discover that, back when my 701 first came loaded with Win3.11, there used to be a program called PC Card Director in the /Thinkpad subdirectory. Evidentally (and stupidly) I must have zapped this subdirecotry when I did the Win95 upgrade. I have several questions: (1a) Do I need this PC Card Director under Win95? (1b) If so, can someone direct me to an IBM site where I can get a copy of PC Card Director program? (2a) Is there any source literature about installing PCMCIA cards in 701s under Win95? (2b) if so, where can I obtain a copy? Thanks. Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 12:47:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278929631; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:47:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15139; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:39:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:38:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15038; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:38:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net ([199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15012; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrts3p189.port.net (usrts3p189.port.net [207.237.106.189]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA05592; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:37:57 -0500 (EST) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "lmills@socket.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:37:58 -0500 Message-Id: <34dc6cc5.194146183@mail.interport.net> References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770E8@ECOEXCHG> In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770E8@ECOEXCHG> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so >PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into >problems, and what were they? Out of curiousity, if PC Card Director is not necessary under win95, why does IBM offer a win95 version of PC Card Director? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 12:47:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279079667; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:47:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15728; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:45:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:45:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15655; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15620; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id LAA27162; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:44:37 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:52:14 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770EA@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'richard'" , "lmills@socket.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:07 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I honestly don't know. Does IBM charge for it, or is it free? Lewis -----Original Message----- From: richard [SMTP:rpritz@interport.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 11:39 AM To: lmills@socket.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so >PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into >problems, and what were they? Out of curiousity, if PC Card Director is not necessary under win95, why does IBM offer a win95 version of PC Card Director? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 12:58:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280460305; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:58:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16476; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:52:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:51:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16211; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16163; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 42.new-york-21.ny.dial-access.att.net ([12.68.131.42]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14794; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 17:50:31 +0000 From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: "lmills@socket.net" Cc: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:50:31 -0500 Message-Id: <34cf6fab.194888248@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770EA@ECOEXCHG> In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770EA@ECOEXCHG> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:07 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >I honestly don't know. Does IBM charge for it, or is it free? Free on their web site, along with the other support files/drivers for the thinkpads >Lewis > >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: > >>It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so >>PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into >>problems, and what were they? > >Out of curiousity, if PC Card Director is not necessary under win95, why does >IBM offer a win95 version of PC Card Director? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 12:59:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280600363; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:59:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16951; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:56:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16873; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from bessie.eunet.fi (bessie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16818; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcmjukka.fi.ibm.com (joakim.pp.fi [193.66.77.210]) by bessie.eunet.fi (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id TAA05395; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:55:50 +0200 (EET) From: "Jukka Ketelaars" To: "Chris Alba" , Subject: Re: TP760CD Resume/Suspend Errors Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:56:13 +0100 Message-Id: <01bd2c1e$67fe4500$d24d42c1@pcmjukka.fi.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had this problem on my 760EL running W95 with Shiva for dial-up. I fixed it by removing the LLC2 protocol in the W95 network setup (does anyone know whether an updated LLC2 driver exists?). You might also try MS-support article Q171195 (if you're using DLC). Cheers, Jukka -----Original Message----- From: Chris Alba To: 'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu' Date: 28. tammikuuta 1998 8:07 Subject: TP760CD Resume/Suspend Errors >If I use dail-up-connection (to ISP etc.) after being in resume or suspend, >I get a blue screen memory error message. I have to do a complete re-boot >every time. >Any views from the experts please? >Chris >chris@dach.demon.co.uk >Pager : 01523 - 456204 >"Wagner's music is better than it sounds." - Mark Twain From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 13:22:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285821762; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:22:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18493; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:20:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18323; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.anet-dfw.com (root@zeus.anet-dfw.com [207.227.168.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18308; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:18:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from MWelch363.lscsoft.com ([206.103.120.5]) by zeus.anet-dfw.com (8.8.8/) with SMTP id MAA27944; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:08:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34CF76FD.6056@anet-dfw.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:20:45 -0600 From: Mike Welch Reply-To: mikew@anet-dfw.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: richard Cc: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770EA@ECOEXCHG> <34cf6fab.194888248@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just guessing, but it might just be an applet like the sound applet you get. You don't HAVE to have it for your sound card to _work_, but it adds a few tweaks... It could also have something to do with the ability to pull the card out and have the system recognize it so when you put a different card in while the system is up it'll recognize the change. The default Win95 drivers might be static (for lack of a better term). richard wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:07 -0600, Lewis Mills > wrote: > > >I honestly don't know. Does IBM charge for it, or is it free? > > Free on their web site, along with the other support files/drivers for > the thinkpads > > >Lewis > > > >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: > > > >>It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so > >>PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into > >>problems, and what were they? > > > >Out of curiousity, if PC Card Director is not necessary under win95, why does > >IBM offer a win95 version of PC Card Director? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 13:32:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA288172370; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:32:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19374; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:29:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:28:04 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19137; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19121; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:27:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801281827.NAA19121@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 28 Jan 1988 11:26:37 -0800 (PST) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 10:28:02 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Wine and Computing Dont Mix. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last night I did something I NEVER thought I would do. I spilled a glass of red wine in the keyboard of my trusty tp750 (affectionately known as "Mono"). I was able to do an orderly shutdown and immediately ran about 6 volumes of fresh water throught the keyboard (for those who keep these statistics, a 750 keyboard holds about 2 wineglasses of liquid). I then pulled all pullables (battery, floppy drive, memory card, harddisk). Very little water had made it under the keyboard, but some had. I did my best to dry everything, and left it overnight. This morning I tried to start it but got an error which brought up the self test diagnostic. I shutdown and started pulling some less pullables (rom batteries etc) and did find some additional moisture. The thinkpad is now sitting at home drying and I will be seeking therapy to deal with my feelings of guilt. Questions: 1. What is the likely worst case scenario? 2. Did my test this morning risk further damage to chips? 3. The next step will be to dissemble the entire unit. Tips on dismantling a tp750 would be very welcome. Assuming the 750 is done for: 1. Where can I get hardware to install the hard disk on a desktop so I can retreive my old data? 2. In the $3.5k range, am I better off with a low-end 765 or a higher end 560? Thanks for your help. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 14:16:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298104983; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:16:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22313; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:11:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22141; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:11:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22123; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from xena (ppp-206-170-24-81.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.24.81]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id LAA05985; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:11:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34CF80B5.2DBF48D6@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:02:13 -0800 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Wine and Computing Dont Mix. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199801281827.NAA19121@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Questions: >1. What is the likely worst case scenario? "Frying" of the motherboard and related components >2. Did my test this morning risk further damage to chips? Possbile, you should let the unit sit (in a dry environment) for about 4 days (with some of that packing stuff that absorbs moisture), by then all moisture should have evaporated >3. The next step will be to dissemble the entire unit. Tips on dismantling a tp750 would be very welcome. umm.. I imagine there is a schematic somewhere on IBM's web site that shows a parts build for the unit. This could help. >Assuming the 750 is done for: >1. Where can I get hardware to install the hard disk on a desktop so I can retreive my old data? you can try to rent a laptop >2. In the $3.5k range, am I better off with a low-end 765 or a higher end 560? I just bought a used (3 mo old) 765D with 72mg ram and a 100tx cardbus adapter for $3,200 from a source on http://www.dejanews.com Richard Hamel IT Engineer Hewlett Packard Network Server Division Santa Clara, CA USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 14:30:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002205841; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:30:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23585; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:27:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:26:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23349; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:26:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from vader.dhs.com (vader.dhs.com [198.69.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23312; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from jim.dhs.com ([198.69.202.22]) by vader.dhs.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA11079; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:26:02 -0600 Message-Id: <34CF8632.EE@cyberramp.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:25:38 -0600 From: Jim McGhee Reply-To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Kress Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Wine and Computing Dont Mix. References: <199801281827.NAA19121@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Victor, You might consider spraying everhthing with tuner cleaner. The water may leave residue accross the lands in the pc board as well as inside pots, etc and the cleaner should help to clean this residue out as well as any of the wine left. Disassemble it as much as possible first. Should be able to fine tuner cleaner at radio shack, but the better brands are at your local tv repair supplier. You might also put a heatlamp and a fan on it to help it dry. Don't let it get too hot though. BTW, if your not successful, I have a 760EL I'm selling. Jim Victor Kress wrote: > > Last night I did something I NEVER thought I would do. I spilled a > glass of red wine in the keyboard of my trusty tp750 (affectionately > known as "Mono"). I was able to do an orderly shutdown and > immediately ran about 6 volumes of fresh water throught the keyboard > (for those who keep these statistics, a 750 keyboard holds about 2 > wineglasses of liquid). I then pulled all pullables (battery, floppy > drive, memory card, harddisk). Very little water had made it under > the keyboard, but some had. I did my best to dry everything, and left > it overnight. This morning I tried to start it but got an error which > brought up the self test diagnostic. I shutdown and started pulling > some less pullables (rom batteries etc) and did find some additional > moisture. The thinkpad is now sitting at home drying and I will be > seeking therapy to deal with my feelings of guilt. > > Questions: > 1. What is the likely worst case scenario? > 2. Did my test this morning risk further damage to chips? > 3. The next step will be to dissemble the entire unit. Tips on > dismantling a tp750 would be very welcome. > > Assuming the 750 is done for: > > 1. Where can I get hardware to install the hard disk on a desktop so I > can retreive my old data? > > 2. In the $3.5k range, am I better off with a low-end 765 or a higher > end 560? > > Thanks for your help. > ________________________________ > Victor Kress > Geological Sciences > Box 351310 > University of Washington > Seattle, Washington > 98195-1310 > > (206)616-8512 > kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 14:48:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006466932; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:48:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24919; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:44:33 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24762; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA29274; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:44:32 -0500 Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18951; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:25:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from 42.new-york-21.ny.dial-access.att.net ([12.68.131.42]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA14869; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:25:17 +0000 From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: mikew@anet-dfw.com Cc: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:25:17 -0500 Message-Id: <34d477f6.197011365@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770EA@ECOEXCHG> <34cf6fab.194888248@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <34CF76FD.6056@anet-dfw.com> In-Reply-To: <34CF76FD.6056@anet-dfw.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From the readme file: The PC Card Director is the advanced utility that lets you use a PC Card with "Plug and Play." There are versions for os/2, dos, win31, win95, nt351 and nt4 >richard wrote: >> >> On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:07 -0600, Lewis Mills >> wrote: >> >> >I honestly don't know. Does IBM charge for it, or is it free? >> >> Free on their web site, along with the other support files/drivers for >> the thinkpads >> >> >Lewis >> > >> >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >> > >> >>It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so >> >>PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into >> >>problems, and what were they? >> > >> >Out of curiousity, if PC Card Director is not necessary under win95, why does >> >IBM offer a win95 version of PC Card Director? >> > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 15:13:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA012698426; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 15:13:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24973; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:44:40 -0500 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24775; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA29285; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 14:44:39 -0500 Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (ns0.teleport.com [192.108.254.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20050; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 13:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA08094; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:39:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id KAA12708; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:39:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Robert Munzenrider Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980128112406.007b8e10@email.psu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Robert Munzenrider wrote: > > I have several questions: > (1a) Do I need this PC Card Director under Win95? NO. First in control panel go to pcmcia and config the card then reboot and win95 should pick up your modem as new at this point. If not go to modems and d it. Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 21:57:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA113592676; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:57:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12959; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:41:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12614; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:41:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from geocities.com (mail2.geocities.com [209.1.224.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12571; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:41:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cminns (async17-2.remote.ualberta.ca [129.128.237.27]) by geocities.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06537 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:40:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980128193528.006a425c@mail.geocities.com> X-Sender: hilsenteger@mail.geocities.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:38:11 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Grant Hilsenteger Subject: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Now this is strange. Tell me if this makes sense to you. My mother, the owner of a 701C, is supposed to be using her computer to access real estate information through a 1-800 toll-free service that provides its own software. The program has the phone number "hard-coded" into the program, and thus you can't change it so that it will pause between dialing an outside line (dial 9) and the 1-800 number. Therefore she can't dial into the service. However, a friend of hers who has not bought a new IBM Thinkpad (not sure which one) is having trouble connecting to this service (probably for the same reason, but I don't know) and she called IBM. They told her (get this) that the modems in IBM TP's don't work in DOS. Now my mother has called me and told me this is what she figures is wrong with her computer. I told her that whoever in IBM told her that is wrong, and that will really help to sell a lot of TP's. I know hardware has some limitations in DOS, but it's usually a software/driver issue, no? Anyhoo, I've told her to tell her software supplier to get with the times and develop a Win95 version of their software and make it a lot more compatible with various hardware. The program also wouldn't allow her to print from her Canon BJ-80 printer (which operates on essentially the same driver as the BJ-70, a very popular portable printer. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Has anyone else ever been told that TP modems don't work in DOS? Thanks Grant Hilsenteger hilsenteger@geocities.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jan 28 23:00:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA123576431; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 23:00:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16692; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:57:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16564; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16547; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (buzbay30.capecod.net [208.204.66.30]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12401 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:29 -0500 Message-Id: <34CFFC82.C665BC56@capecod.net> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:50:26 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: pc cards in docked 760XD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Any body have any ideas as to why my docked TP760XD won't boot when PC Cards are in their sockets in the TP. It boots fine when undocked. However when in a dock II it appears to keep cycling through POST unless I remove the cards and install them after boot is complete. Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 00:17:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA139131069; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 00:17:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14185; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:54:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14039; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:54:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from VM.SC.EDU (vm.sc.edu [129.252.41.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13918; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:53:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from student.law.sc.edu by VM.SC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 28 Jan 98 21:51:47 EST Received: from LAW_STUDENT/SpoolDir by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 28 Jan 98 21:53:14 EST5EDT Received: from SpoolDir by LAW_STUDENT (Mercury 1.30); 28 Jan 98 21:52:57 EST5EDT Received: from thingtwo.vmedia.com by student.law.sc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 28 Jan 98 21:43:55 EST5EDT Message-Id: <34CFECE6.7C3B@bigfoot.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 21:43:51 -0500 From: "Michael J. Verne" Reply-To: uscmikey@bigfoot.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: number pad keyboard extenders Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu someone on this list was looking for one of these 10-key things for a thinkpad. staples has them for $30. -- Michael J. Verne uscmikey@bigfoot.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 01:44:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154786274; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:44:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22609; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:43:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22527; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22515; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:43:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05791; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:41:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801290641.WAA05791@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jyrki Richard Viksten" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 22:41:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: big problema Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 18:19:05 +0200, Jyrki Richard Viksten wrote: >yes its green number 30 not with xx. I was in touch with ibm and they told >me something that code 30 means , test dma transvers, what that means?? DMA is an acronym for Direct Memory Access, and allows you to access memory directly without going through the processor, and reduces some system overhead. A DMA error is BAD! but >hearing my problem they were guessing mother board or memory error. Greg, >when i hold f1 nothing happens cos it dosent read any memory. I really hope >its not mother board but it looks like , to fix it costs about 400US >dollars.It might be caused by external device cos I inserted defevtice >battery yesterday in my tp 701c and after that its been like this! >send more comments for this if there is any?? I suppose the battery could have done something wrong to it. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 41m 59s 320ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 01:54:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156266864; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:54:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23106; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:53:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:51:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22946; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22924; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06158; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:48:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801290648.WAA06158@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 22:48:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 12:37:58 -0500, richard wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:05:34 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: > >>It should be very easy under W95. W95 has built-in support for PCMCIA, so >>PC Card Director is not necessary. At what point exactly did you run into >>problems, and what were they? > >Out of curiousity, if PC Card Director is not necessary under win95, why does >IBM offer a win95 version of PC Card Director? > > It just makes it a lot easier for card management, just like OS/2. Really, we don't need it, it just makes things easier, though. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 49m 39s 46ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 02:01:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158997262; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:01:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24064; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:00:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:58:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23846; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:58:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23833; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06570; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:56:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801290656.WAA06570@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Grant Hilsenteger" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 22:56:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Has anyone else ever been told that TP >modems don't work in DOS? > I can't believe they said that. The only modem that would only work in DOS/WinDOS 95 are those proprietary sound card/modem combos, but the ThinkPad's modems all work fine under DOS. Remember, most of the level 1 people at IBM are not much smarter than your typical Radio Shack guy. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 57m 41s 445ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 02:01:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA159147308; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:01:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23523; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:55:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23433; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:55:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23393; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06399; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:53:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801290653.WAA06399@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Richard Hamel" , "Victor Kress" Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 22:53:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Wine and Computing Dont Mix. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:02:13 -0800, Richard Hamel wrote: >>Questions: >>1. What is the likely worst case scenario? >"Frying" of the motherboard and related components > I was lucky. I had my 355C in my backpack with botteld water, and the water bottle leaked. The ThinkPad didn't work for about a day, then started working again. I was lucky (then Easyserve and the local dealer TOTALLY destroyed it). >>2. Did my test this morning risk further damage to chips? >Possbile, you should let the unit sit (in a dry environment) for about 4 >days (with some of that packing stuff that absorbs moisture), Silica gel. Just look for the "Do not eat" label. :) by then >all moisture should have evaporated >>3. The next step will be to dissemble the entire unit. Tips on >dismantling a tp750 would be very welcome. >umm.. I imagine there is a schematic somewhere on IBM's web site that >shows a parts build for the unit. This could help. > >>Assuming the 750 is done for: >>1. Where can I get hardware to install the hard disk on a desktop so I >can retreive my old data? >you can try to rent a laptop > >>2. In the $3.5k range, am I better off with a low-end 765 or a higher >end 560? >I just bought a used (3 mo old) 765D with 72mg ram and a 100tx cardbus >adapter for $3,200 from a source on http://www.dejanews.com > Plus, ALL 7xx models have a 3 year warranty, 3xx and 5xx have a 1 year warranty. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 54m 1s 882ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 02:40:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA164089633; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:40:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25858; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:39:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:38:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25653; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25641; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.65.147.138]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA29811; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:37:55 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: Cc: Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:42:28 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980129073752.AAA29811@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mike, Thanks for your thoughts on the IBM PC Card HDD. I'm just about ready to call the Thinkpad people as the Options people have been no "support" despite what they call themselves. Win95 seems to detect its presence but either doesn't load the correct drivers or doesn't load them completely. Various other people tell me that these IBM/Maxtor drives have a CIS structure and should self-detect under Win95, but it seems that "detect" is not the same as access. I think I running under OSR1, but how do you tell? Thank for the help. Stan ---------- > From: Mike Welch > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > Cc: Thinkpad > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 7:51 AM > > Stan, > > That's an utter CROCK! It's not like offering the 300K compressed file > on their web site would be a lot of work for them. They _should_ have > them up there. > > What model hard disk is it? Also, what OSR of Win95 are you running? > Someone recently posted a message stating some kind of problem with the > PCMCIA on certain models and that the OSR1 drivers work better. > > I beat my head against the wall trying to get a Western Digital to work > and finally gave up (sad fact is, I can write to it, but not without > really odd FAT errors). > > Stanley Chen wrote: > > > > I recently bought a 40Mb IBM PCMCIA HDD to use as storage for large Power > > Point presentation file thinking that I would have less compatibility > > problems with IBM than other manufacturers. It installed in my 701 running > > Win95 fine and the O/S recognized the devise, but apparently no drivers are > > loaded so I don't get an icon and am unable to access the drive. IBM says > > that the devise has been withdrawn and there are no drivers available for > > it to operate under Win95. So am I just out of luck? Or do some of the > > other list members have come across a solution. As these units seem to be > > appearing on various auction at reasonable prices, I was hoping to test > > this one with the intention of getting several more. I'd appreciate any > > help or comment on this problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 03:05:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167181159; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:05:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23225; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:52:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22975; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:52:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22925; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06206; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:49:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801290649.WAA06206@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "lmills@socket.net" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 22:49:47 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Installing PCMCIA Card on 701 under Win95 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 11:41:07 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >I honestly don't know. Does IBM charge for it, or is it free? I would think it is free. I know the OS/2 version (called Play at will) was free. This was before Warp 4 included PC Card Manager built-in. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 50m 34s 406ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 03:06:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA167361199; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 03:06:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24246; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:01:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:00:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24107; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 02:00:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23976; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:59:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p09.hwts11.loop.net (p09.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.114]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA06623; Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199801290657.WAA06623@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "bigdaddy25@mindless.com" , "rdietric" , "Thinkpad" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 98 22:57:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: pc cards in docked 760XD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:50:26 -0500, rdietric wrote: >Any body have any ideas as to why my docked TP760XD won't boot when PC >Cards are in their sockets in the TP. It boots fine when undocked. >However when in a dock II it appears to keep cycling through POST unless >I remove the cards and install them after boot is complete. > What kind of cards are they? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 58m 27s 640ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 07:56:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA197348568; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:56:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11143; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:55:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:53:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10945; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:53:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10932; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from capecod.net (buzbay48.capecod.net [208.204.66.48]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA01005; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:53:23 -0500 Message-Id: <34D07ADD.87DBAFD2@capecod.net> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:49:33 -0500 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy25@mindless.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: pc cards in docked 760XD References: <199801290657.WAA06623@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu One is a Fast Etherlink XL Cardbus PC Card by 3COM, the other is a Megahertz 56k PC Card Modem. Bob Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Jan 1998 22:50:26 -0500, rdietric wrote: > > >Any body have any ideas as to why my docked TP760XD won't boot when PC > >Cards are in their sockets in the TP. It boots fine when undocked. > >However when in a dock II it appears to keep cycling through POST unless > >I remove the cards and install them after boot is complete. > > > > What kind of cards are they? > > -- > Paul > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Paul Khoury > pkhoury@loop.com > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX > Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" > Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS > > Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. > Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! > Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 25 Processes with 89 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 2d 2h 58m 27s 640ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 08:20:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201420015; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:20:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12150; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:18:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12030; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from otis.our-town.com (otis.our-town.com [206.64.104.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12018; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:18:32 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (ttyD05.our-town.com [206.64.104.100]) by otis.our-town.com (8.8.8/SCO5) with SMTP id HAA06272 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 07:26:22 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199801291326.HAA06272@otis.our-town.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 07:13:49 -0600 To: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199801290656.WAA06570@ritchie.loop.com> Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't know to what extent the various TPs are similar, but when I got a 380D, it included disk images for drivers for video, sound, cards, etc for DOS/win3.1/win95/OS/2 and NT. When I got the machine, my interest was in running OS/2, so I repartitioned the HD, and reinstalled win95 in a smaller partition and the remainder in OS/2 - but I have the various other OS disks. OS/2 runs dos and win 3.1, so those drivers were also installed. =================== In <199801290656.WAA06570@ritchie.loop.com>, on 01/28/98 at 10:56 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: > >>Anyone have any thoughts on this? Has anyone else ever been told that TP >>modems don't work in DOS? >> >I can't believe they said that. The only modem that would only work in >DOS/WinDOS 95 are those proprietary sound card/modem combos, but the >ThinkPad's modems all work fine under DOS. >Remember, most of the level 1 people at IBM are not much smarter than >your typical Radio Shack guy. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- wfj@our-town.com Father Winston F Jensen Running OS/2, the stable computer OS MR/2ICE Reader for OS/2 # 252 ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 09:13:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA207033204; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:13:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14407; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:10:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14251; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from pacs05.infoave.net (vms.nes.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14230; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from linnskip (dial-244.r12.scsumt.infoave.net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-10 #23426) with SMTP id <01ISXZHIUOOW90N5UI@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:09:13 EST Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:59:43 -0500 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Battery Problems w/TP700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34D08B4F.5B9C@ftc-i.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, I'm working on a 700 PS/2 THinkpad and the battery will not charge. We got another battery (used) for it and it will not charge either. I checked everything in the unit it self and it appears O.K. I would like to think that someone did not sell me a dead battery (twice) but that has been known to happen.. My question is...is there anyone in this group that lives in South carolina(or close by Charlotte, Augusta, Savannah, etc.) that has a known good battery for a 700, 700C that we can try in our 700 that to see if the battery is truly the problem. as always, any and all help is appreciated. Linn Skipper askipper@ftc-i.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 09:42:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210764943; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:42:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16022; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:41:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:40:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15917; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:40:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15901; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 09:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01846; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id GAA06441; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:40:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 06:40:23 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Grant Hilsenteger Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980128193528.006a425c@mail.geocities.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 28 Jan 1998, Grant Hilsenteger wrote: > information through a 1-800 toll-free service that provides its own > software. The program has the phone number "hard-coded" into the program, > and thus you can't change it so that it will pause between dialing an > outside line (dial 9) and the 1-800 number. Therefore she can't dial into > the service. However, a friend of hers who has not bought a new IBM Get a simple analog phone, and a line spilter, plug both the phone and the phone into the line. First dial 9 with the phone and then have the program dial the 1-800 number > Thinkpad (not sure which one) is having trouble connecting to this service > (probably for the same reason, but I don't know) and she called IBM. They > told her (get this) that the modems in IBM TP's don't work in DOS. They are referring to the fact that many of the new TPs are sold with Winmodems. These only work in Windows. > I've told her to tell her software supplier to get with the times and > develop a Win95 version of their software and make it a lot more compatible Haa, I'd rather have a DOS program then a Win95 one. > with various hardware. The program also wouldn't allow her to print from > her Canon BJ-80 printer (which operates on essentially the same driver as > the BJ-70, a very popular portable printer. Have her set the program to the Epson lx2500 and it should work with the BJ Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 10:53:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222099216; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:53:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19766; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:50:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19572; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:50:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from fred.ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (n175en240.energy.gov.ab.ca [199.214.175.240]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19551; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from energy.enr.gov.ab.ca by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca (PMDF V5.1-10 #27662) id <01ISXYS66VLC8Y6Q97@ags.enr.gov.ab.ca> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:48:48 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:48:48 -0700 (MST) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ags.enr.gov.ab.ca Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <34D0A1DE.7712.0069.000@energy.enr.gov.ab.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: 01/29/1998 08:40 am (Thursday) From: Grant Hilsenteger To: energy.smtpgw."thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply > I've told her to tell her software supplier to get with the times and > develop a Win95 version of their software and make it a lot more compatible Haa, I'd rather have a DOS program then a Win95 one. Yah, but for people who only use the computer as a *tool* in their business and don't care about the OS so much, it would be nice to have a consistent standard since they don't have the time to be worrying about whether it runs in DOS or Windows. That is, since most of the world (like it or not) is using some form of Windows, most business people have gotten used to the GUI interface. If computer programs evolved the way that hardware has, then most programs would be very "black-box" and people would not have to worry as much. Developing a program that doesn't work this way is just added confusion when the update would not be too difficult to program. Cheers, Grant From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 12:03:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA234583422; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:03:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23268; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:57:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22697; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22654; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts13.loop.net (p05.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.170]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA18436; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:54:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801291654.IAA18436@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 08:54:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:48:48 -0700 (MST), HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca wrote: >Date: 01/29/1998 08:40 am (Thursday) >From: Grant Hilsenteger >To: energy.smtpgw."thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply > > > > >> I've told her to tell her software supplier to get with the times and >> develop a Win95 version of their software and make it a lot more >compatible >Haa, I'd rather have a DOS program then a Win95 one. > >Yah, but for people who only use the computer as a *tool* in their >business and don't care about the OS Except for the people I know. THey wouldn't put a Microsoft OS on their computers if they were paid to. so much, it would be nice to have a >consistent standard since they don't have the time to be worrying about >whether it runs in DOS or Windows. That is, since most of the world (like >it or not) is using some form of Windows, most business people have >gotten used to the GUI interface. That's not neccesarily true, there are *many* businesses that run on OS/2, Linux, the Mac OS, etc. It's not completely a Windows world. If computer programs evolved the way >that hardware has, then most programs would be very "black-box" and >people would not have to worry as much. Developing a program that >doesn't work this way is just added confusion when the update would >not be too difficult to program. > How about just create these kind of applications in JAVA so they work under MANY different OSes? Just my 2 cents for today. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 23m 49s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 12:12:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236463931; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:12:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23917; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:09:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23754; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23720; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA19323; Thu, 29 Jan 98 12:08:45 EST Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <34D0B785.529A77A9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:08:21 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , "HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca" Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply References: <199801291654.IAA18436@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Enough already on the anti-Microsoft-OS war! This really doesn't belong on this list. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 12:25:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239034714; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:25:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25214; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:22:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25055; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (KNIGHT.FORTIS-INC.COM [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25006; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19896 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:26:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19892 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:26:23 -0600 (CST) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.02) with SMTP id ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:09 -0600 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:11:40 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:03 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Haa, I'd rather have a DOS program then a Win95 one. >Yah, but for people who only use the computer as a *tool* in their >business and don't care about the OS Paul: >Except for the people I know. THey wouldn't put a Microsoft OS on >their computers >if they were paid to. Sorry to clue you in Paul, but most of us ARE getting paid to do just that. My company dictates the policy and if you want to remain gainfully employed you comply. I have more latitude than most here since I'm a system administrator but that really is not the point. > so much, it would be nice to have a >consistent standard since they don't have the time to be worrying about >whether it runs in DOS or Windows. That is, since most of the world >(like it or not) is using some form of Windows, most business people >have >gotten used to the GUI interface. This is 100% true, period. >That's not neccesarily true, there are *many* businesses that run on >OS/2, Linux, > the Mac OS, etc. It's not completely a Windows world. We are in the process of getting rid of all traces of OS/2. I know some ISP's that run Linux but why on Earth would I run my financial company on a freeware os? If a critical server drops I need parts and services NOW. That's one reason I'm sending this out on a 760E, we leverage off an IBM support contract. We also leverage off Hewlett Packard for Unix servers and software. I've run linux and I prefer hpux over it. **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 12:48:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242406074; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:47:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26652; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:37:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:36:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26545; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26509; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-231.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.231]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA13711 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:33:59 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199801291733.SAA13711@swissonline.ch> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:36:24 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [TP 755 CDV] PPP Failure Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on an 40M ThinkPad 755 CDV. I once was happy because everything went really well with my communication = apps. I really do not know what I did (I upgraded Mwave from 2.22 to 2.24, upgraded from FP1 to FP5, but I do NOT know if it is related) but from now = on every time I want to access the Internet I get the following: - load Mwave 28800 Modem: ok - load the "Dial Other Internet Providers": ok - dial a PPP connexion: I get PPP Driver Failure Connexion ERROR Never had this before ? Just for the fun, I changed this provider from PPP to SLIP and the error = was gone (but my provider really do not offer SLIP connexion); when coming = back to PPP, the error was back also ? When I'm trying to use CIM for OS/2, the app complains about a port not rea= dy ? Any idea ? Should I consider reinstalling all the TCP stuff ? and if yes, should I, = after reinstalling, apply FP5 again ? I have just discovered that those things above do not appear when I'm using= SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS. Could this be the explanation ? Of course I have a different config to start SIO. Could this also be the explanation (I mean the statement order in my different config.sys - well = you know, they all worked well before.....) TIA and have a nice day Fran=E7ois 01/29/98 18:36:19 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 14:43:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261752993; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:43:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03688; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:40:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:38:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03510; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03467; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA23483 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:37:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from jac-fl10-21.ix.netcom.com(206.214.134.53) by dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma023448; Thu Jan 29 13:36:43 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980129143303.007a0740@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: allmm@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:33:03 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Scott Lewis Subject: 560C with Hibernation problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 560 has lost its ability to hibernate. I have reinstalled the IBM TP utilities software with no luck. Also Win 95 as well. Can anyone help me? I also lost Suspend as well. Thanks, Scott Lewis Alliance Medical Marketing, www.eyequip.com 800-393-8676, 904-247-3132, Fax 904-247-3133 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 16:35:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282449701; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:35:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10569; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:23:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10265; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:23:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10158; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA12394; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:21:13 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA05493; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:25:10 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199801292125.LAA05493@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 560C with Hibernation problem To: allmm@ix.netcom.com (Scott Lewis) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 11:25:10 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980129143303.007a0740@popd.ix.netcom.com>; from "Scott Lewis" at Jan 29, 98 2:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This happened to me when I installed IE4. A BIOS upgrade fixed it (my machine is now at BIOS revision 10ET42WW, dated 10/20/97, part number 97H4574; there may be even newer ones). I still have *occasional* flakiness - perhaps there's an even newer BIOS, I haven't looked lately. - David > > My 560 has lost its ability to hibernate. I have reinstalled the IBM TP > utilities software with no luck. Also Win 95 as well. Can anyone help me? > I also lost Suspend as well. > > Thanks, > > Scott Lewis > Alliance Medical Marketing, www.eyequip.com > 800-393-8676, 904-247-3132, Fax 904-247-3133 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 16:42:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA284350123; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:42:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11512; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:39:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:39:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11419; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.152.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11407; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mcneelybn (bnm.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.150.16]) by cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA31892; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:37:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980129163737.00a10b20@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov> X-Sender: bnm@cosmail2.ctd.ornl.gov X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 16:37:37 -0500 To: Scott Lewis From: bnm@ornl.gov (Brooks McNeely) Subject: Re: 560C with Hibernation problem Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980129143303.007a0740@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:33 PM 1/29/1998 -0500, Scott Lewis wrote: >My 560 has lost its ability to hibernate. I have reinstalled the IBM TP >utilities software with no luck. Also Win 95 as well. Can anyone help me? > I also lost Suspend as well. > >Thanks, > >Scott Lewis >Alliance Medical Marketing, www.eyequip.com >800-393-8676, 904-247-3132, Fax 904-247-3133 > Some PCMCIA/PC Card 's can cause hibernate and suspend to quit working. Do you have any new ones? Brooks Brooks McNeely Lockheed Martin Energy Systems, Inc. E-mail: bnm@ornl.gov (work) brooks_mcneely@ibm.net (non-work) Phone: 423-574-4612 (voice) 423-576-6608 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 17:33:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296353232; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:33:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14457; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:29:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:27:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14148; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14135; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts13.loop.net (p05.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.170]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA02198 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:27:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801292227.OAA02198@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 14:25:48 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 11:20:03 -0600, Mike Hunziker wrote: > >>Haa, I'd rather have a DOS program then a Win95 one. >>Yah, but for people who only use the computer as a *tool* in their >>business and don't care about the OS > >Paul: >>Except for the people I know. THey wouldn't put a Microsoft OS on >>their computers >>if they were paid to. > >Sorry to clue you in Paul, but most of us ARE getting paid to do just that. >My company dictates the policy and if you want to remain gainfully >employed you comply. I have more latitude than most here since I'm >a system administrator but that really is not the point. > Unless you're self employeed, or your company uses ONLY OS/2 and Linux. Most of the people on the other list are administrators, self employed, or OS/2 technicians. And some even have to use Windows at work, but have suggested OS/2. > >> so much, it would be nice to have a >>consistent standard since they don't have the time to be worrying about >>whether it runs in DOS or Windows. That is, since most of the world >>(like it or not) is using some form of Windows, most business people >>have >gotten used to the GUI interface. > >This is 100% true, period. > Don't count on it. >>That's not neccesarily true, there are *many* businesses that run on >>OS/2, Linux, >> the Mac OS, etc. It's not completely a Windows world. > >We are in the process of getting rid of all traces of OS/2. > >I know some ISP's that run Linux but why on Earth would I run my >financial company on a freeware os? My ISP uses FreeBSD, and I find it more reliable than Earthlink, my previous provider, who used NT. Probably the reason I had problems staying connected. If a critical server drops I need >parts and services NOW. That's one reason I'm sending this out on a >760E, we leverage off an IBM support contract. We also leverage off >Hewlett Packard for Unix servers and software. > >I've run linux and I prefer hpux over it. > Well, I believe it's all based on personal preferences. I look at it this way - you can't judge a book by it's cover. There's a good OS metaphor. Okay, I'm off my soapbox. Let's keep this personal to avoid wasted bandwidth. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 55m 28s 265ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 17:34:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA296423241; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:34:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14854; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:30:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14668; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14501; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts13.loop.net (p05.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.170]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA02482 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 14:29:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801292229.OAA02482@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 14:28:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP 755 CDV] PPP Failure Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:36:24 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on an 40M ThinkPad 755 CDV. >I once was happy because everything went really well with my communication >apps. >I really do not know what I did (I upgraded Mwave from 2.22 to 2.24, >upgraded from FP1 to FP5, but I do NOT know if it is related) but from now >on every time I want to access the Internet I get the following: >- load Mwave 28800 Modem: ok >- load the "Dial Other Internet Providers": ok >- dial a PPP connexion: I get > PPP Driver Failure > Connexion ERROR >Never had this before ? Have you tried InJoy? I find it a lot better than Dial Other Provides. >Just for the fun, I changed this provider from PPP to SLIP and the error >was gone (but my provider really do not offer SLIP connexion); when coming >back to PPP, the error was back also ? >When I'm trying to use CIM for OS/2, the app complains about a port not ready ? >Any idea ? >Should I consider reinstalling all the TCP stuff ? and if yes, should I, >after reinstalling, apply FP5 again ? The FP fixes MMPM/2 and the base OS. For TCP/IP, there are seperate fixes for it. >I have just discovered that those things above do not appear when I'm using >SIO.SYS instead of COM.SYS. Could this be the explanation ? >Of course I have a different config to start SIO. Could this also be the >explanation (I mean the statement order in my different config.sys - well >you know, they all worked well before.....) > That can make a difference as in the order you place an item, especially with IFS's and BASEDEV's. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 57m 43s 593ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 17:59:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001904782; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:59:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16479; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16353; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16341; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:02:06 -0500 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD2CDF.41F3AE60@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:43 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD2CDF.41F3AE60@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: ThinkPad List Subject: PLEASE NO MORE OS WARS! Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:56:42 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Okay, I'm off my soapbox. Let's keep this personal to avoid wasted >bandwidth. > >-- >Paul come on Paul, how many times do I have to ask to not even start an O/S war? We all know your position, and I for one am really sick of it and hearing of it. I don't have the time right now to learn how to put you on a spam filter, and I don't want to cancel my subscription to the list. Just cut it out! Axel I'm not putting in a Thinkpad related question because my 701 is working fine and has been for months. And you all know what OS I use. Voluntarily. I just don't find Paul amusing anymore. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 18:22:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA004846161; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:22:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17611; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17484; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17455; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from asahel-10.d.enteract.com (asahel-10.d.enteract.com [207.229.148.188]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id RAA14221 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:20:19 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP560] Thinkpad Configuration program (win 95) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:20:26 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34d2be6d.10808317@mail.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just upgraded to the new Windows 95 version (which is quite cool) but have noticed a problem. When I select the ability to have a tray icon for the program, it screws up Windows' DUN abilities. With the icon there, I've had connects that simply "disappeared." I'd be online and either notice that the DUN tray icon was missing and I was no longer connected (no error messages), or the next time I make a network call (fetch email, etc) the system would start dialing out, the first indication I'd get that I was no longer online. This behavior stopped as soon as I removed the Thinkpad Icon from the try, and returns without fail when I put it back. I'm running OSR2 (came with the 560), and am wondering if anyone else has experienced this. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 18:27:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA005306454; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:27:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17637; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17468; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17441; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 18:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from asahel-10.d.enteract.com (asahel-10.d.enteract.com [207.229.148.188]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id RAA14204 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:20:14 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:20:21 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34d1bcf0.10427532@mail.enteract.com> References: <19980129073752.AAA29811@default> In-Reply-To: <19980129073752.AAA29811@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 01:42:28 -0800, you wrote: > Win95 seems to detect its presence but >either doesn't load the correct drivers or doesn't load them completely. >Various other people tell me that these IBM/Maxtor drives have a CIS >structure and should self-detect under Win95, but it seems that "detect" is >not the same as access. This is a thought. I had a problem with a pc card drive not being configured (not my current Maxtor, but another brand I've forgotten). Like you, Windows 95 recognized the drive, but I couldn't access it. I was advised to go into device manager, select Disk Drives, pick the drive and enter Properties, and select the drive as "removable" and "Auto Configure on Insert." This improved things using the card afterwards. Just spitballing, but I hope it helps, epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 30 11:12:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146126761; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:12:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26076; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:00:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25540; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25526; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:00:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.65.131.124]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA25448; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 15:59:52 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:43:28 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980130155948.AAA25448@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Mike, I check on my Win version and it's the same as yours so that shouldn't be the problem. I then installed the DOS drivers and tried to initialize it that way with no success. Someone suggested that if I formated it, I would be able to access it. I tried doing that, but since I have no drive letter, I couldn't figure out how to format it. The utilities that came with the DOS drives weren't able to do it either. So I'm fresh out of ideas and about to call the Thinkpad Service Group with my fingers crossed that they will be more help than the Options people. Let me know if you have other idea. Thank for you help so far. Stan ---------- > From: Mike Welch > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 10:31 AM > > Right click on "My Computer" and under General look at the version. > Mine is 4.0095, which is the first release. I would suspect OSR1 would > be 4.1095 or 4.0195 and OSR2 would be 4.2095 or 4.0295. > > Stanley K. Chen wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Thanks for your thoughts on the IBM PC Card HDD. I'm just about ready to > > call the Thinkpad people as the Options people have been no "support" > > despite what they call themselves. Win95 seems to detect its presence but > > either doesn't load the correct drivers or doesn't load them completely. > > Various other people tell me that these IBM/Maxtor drives have a CIS > > structure and should self-detect under Win95, but it seems that "detect" is > > not the same as access. I think I running under OSR1, but how do you tell? > > Thank for the help. > > > > Stan > > > > ---------- > > > From: Mike Welch > > > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > > > Cc: Thinkpad > > > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 7:51 AM > > > > > > Stan, > > > > > > That's an utter CROCK! It's not like offering the 300K compressed file > > > on their web site would be a lot of work for them. They _should_ have > > > them up there. > > > > > > What model hard disk is it? Also, what OSR of Win95 are you running? > > > Someone recently posted a message stating some kind of problem with the > > > PCMCIA on certain models and that the OSR1 drivers work better. > > > > > > I beat my head against the wall trying to get a Western Digital to work > > > and finally gave up (sad fact is, I can write to it, but not without > > > really odd FAT errors). > > > > > > Stanley Chen wrote: > > > > > > > > I recently bought a 40Mb IBM PCMCIA HDD to use as storage for large > > Power > > > > Point presentation file thinking that I would have less compatibility > > > > problems with IBM than other manufacturers. It installed in my 701 > > running > > > > Win95 fine and the O/S recognized the devise, but apparently no drivers > > are > > > > loaded so I don't get an icon and am unable to access the drive. IBM > > says > > > > that the devise has been withdrawn and there are no drivers available > > for > > > > it to operate under Win95. So am I just out of luck? Or do some of the > > > > other list members have come across a solution. As these units seem to > > be > > > > appearing on various auction at reasonable prices, I was hoping to test > > > > this one with the intention of getting several more. I'd appreciate any > > > > help or comment on this problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 30 11:24:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148137487; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:24:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26728; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:17:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:17:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26633; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:17:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26619; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts15.loop.net (p23.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.248]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA00325; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:16:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199801301616.IAA00325@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "mikew@anet-dfw.com" , "s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 98 08:15:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 30 Jan 1998 09:43:28 -0800, Stanley K. Chen wrote: >Hi Mike, > >I check on my Win version and it's the same as yours so that shouldn't be >the problem. I then installed the DOS drivers and tried to initialize it >that way with no success. Someone suggested that if I formated it, I would >be able to access it. I tried doing that, but since I have no drive letter, >I couldn't figure out how to format it. The utilities that came with the >DOS drives weren't able to do it either. So I'm fresh out of ideas and >about to call the Thinkpad Service Group with my fingers crossed that they >will be more help than the Options people. >Let me know if you have other idea. Thank for you help so far. > I'm assuming you used FDISK, right? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 27 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 23h 44m 44s 398ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 30 11:36:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151048209; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:36:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27364; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:27:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:27:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27285; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:27:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27273; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA09196 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:27:47 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:35:17 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F0101770F1@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:24:07 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Stanley, I have the IBM Options 40M PCMCIA drive as well. I don't recall whether I tried it in my 701, but I have used it in my wife's Compaq notebook and the PCMCIA adapter in my desktop with minimal problems. The person I bought it >from said that it needed to be "initialized" before an operating system could recognize it. I had him do this for me, and it has worked OK, altho on occasion I have to reboot for the system to find it. Unfortunately, I don't really know what "initialized" means. Hope this provides a glimmer of a clue for somebody! Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Stanley K. Chen [SMTP:s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 10:09 AM To: mikew@anet-dfw.com Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Hi Mike, I check on my Win version and it's the same as yours so that shouldn't be the problem. I then installed the DOS drivers and tried to initialize it that way with no success. Someone suggested that if I formated it, I would be able to access it. I tried doing that, but since I have no drive letter, I couldn't figure out how to format it. The utilities that came with the DOS drives weren't able to do it either. So I'm fresh out of ideas and about to call the Thinkpad Service Group with my fingers crossed that they will be more help than the Options people. Let me know if you have other idea. Thank for you help so far. Stan ---------- > From: Mike Welch > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 10:31 AM > > Right click on "My Computer" and under General look at the version. > Mine is 4.0095, which is the first release. I would suspect OSR1 would > be 4.1095 or 4.0195 and OSR2 would be 4.2095 or 4.0295. > > Stanley K. Chen wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Thanks for your thoughts on the IBM PC Card HDD. I'm just about ready to > > call the Thinkpad people as the Options people have been no "support" > > despite what they call themselves. Win95 seems to detect its presence but > > either doesn't load the correct drivers or doesn't load them completely. > > Various other people tell me that these IBM/Maxtor drives have a CIS > > structure and should self-detect under Win95, but it seems that "detect" is > > not the same as access. I think I running under OSR1, but how do you tell? > > Thank for the help. > > > > Stan > > > > ---------- > > > From: Mike Welch > > > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > > > Cc: Thinkpad > > > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 7:51 AM > > > > > > Stan, > > > > > > That's an utter CROCK! It's not like offering the 300K compressed file > > > on their web site would be a lot of work for them. They _should_ have > > > them up there. > > > > > > What model hard disk is it? Also, what OSR of Win95 are you running? > > > Someone recently posted a message stating some kind of problem with the > > > PCMCIA on certain models and that the OSR1 drivers work better. > > > > > > I beat my head against the wall trying to get a Western Digital to work > > > and finally gave up (sad fact is, I can write to it, but not without > > > really odd FAT errors). > > > > > > Stanley Chen wrote: > > > > > > > > I recently bought a 40Mb IBM PCMCIA HDD to use as storage for large > > Power > > > > Point presentation file thinking that I would have less compatibility > > > > problems with IBM than other manufacturers. It installed in my 701 > > running > > > > Win95 fine and the O/S recognized the devise, but apparently no drivers > > are > > > > loaded so I don't get an icon and am unable to access the drive. IBM > > says > > > > that the devise has been withdrawn and there are no drivers available > > for > > > > it to operate under Win95. So am I just out of luck? Or do some of the > > > > other list members have come across a solution. As these units seem to > > be > > > > appearing on various auction at reasonable prices, I was hoping to test > > > > this one with the intention of getting several more. I'd appreciate any > > > > help or comment on this problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 30 11:49:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153278947; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:49:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28644; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:45:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28435; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:44:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28420; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 11:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.65.147.105]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA2084; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 16:44:18 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 10:50:04 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980130164415.AAA2084@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks Lewis. The manual talked about initializing the device under the DOS section so I tried this too hoping that it would do the trick, but I couldn't get it to recognize with this procedure either. In the mean time the device manager under Win95 tells me it detects the device, it is working properly, and there are no conflicts, but refuses to let me access it. I'm being to feel like a Dilbert cartoon. Stan ---------- > From: Lewis Mills > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: RE: IBM PCMCIA HDD > Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 8:24 AM > > Hi Stanley, > I have the IBM Options 40M PCMCIA drive as well. I don't recall whether I > tried it in my 701, but I have used it in my wife's Compaq notebook and the > PCMCIA adapter in my desktop with minimal problems. The person I bought it > from said that it needed to be "initialized" before an operating system > could recognize it. I had him do this for me, and it has worked OK, altho > on occasion I have to reboot for the system to find it. Unfortunately, I > don't really know what "initialized" means. Hope this provides a glimmer > of a clue for somebody! > Lewis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stanley K. Chen [SMTP:s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Friday, January 30, 1998 10:09 AM > To: mikew@anet-dfw.com > Cc: thinkpad > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > > Hi Mike, > > I check on my Win version and it's the same as yours so that shouldn't be > the problem. I then installed the DOS drivers and tried to initialize it > that way with no success. Someone suggested that if I formated it, I would > be able to access it. I tried doing that, but since I have no drive letter, > I couldn't figure out how to format it. The utilities that came with the > DOS drives weren't able to do it either. So I'm fresh out of ideas and > about to call the Thinkpad Service Group with my fingers crossed that they > will be more help than the Options people. > Let me know if you have other idea. Thank for you help so far. > > Stan > > ---------- > > From: Mike Welch > > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > > Date: Thursday, January 29, 1998 10:31 AM > > > > Right click on "My Computer" and under General look at the version. > > Mine is 4.0095, which is the first release. I would suspect OSR1 would > > be 4.1095 or 4.0195 and OSR2 would be 4.2095 or 4.0295. > > > > Stanley K. Chen wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Thanks for your thoughts on the IBM PC Card HDD. I'm just about ready > to > > > call the Thinkpad people as the Options people have been no "support" > > > despite what they call themselves. Win95 seems to detect its presence > but > > > either doesn't load the correct drivers or doesn't load them > completely. > > > Various other people tell me that these IBM/Maxtor drives have a CIS > > > structure and should self-detect under Win95, but it seems that > "detect" is > > > not the same as access. I think I running under OSR1, but how do you > tell? > > > Thank for the help. > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Mike Welch > > > > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > > > > Cc: Thinkpad > > > > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 1998 7:51 AM > > > > > > > > Stan, > > > > > > > > That's an utter CROCK! It's not like offering the 300K compressed > file > > > > on their web site would be a lot of work for them. They _should_ > have > > > > them up there. > > > > > > > > What model hard disk is it? Also, what OSR of Win95 are you running? > > > > Someone recently posted a message stating some kind of problem with > the > > > > PCMCIA on certain models and that the OSR1 drivers work better. > > > > > > > > I beat my head against the wall trying to get a Western Digital to > work > > > > and finally gave up (sad fact is, I can write to it, but not without > > > > really odd FAT errors). > > > > > > > > Stanley Chen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I recently bought a 40Mb IBM PCMCIA HDD to use as storage for large > > > Power > > > > > Point presentation file thinking that I would have less > compatibility > > > > > problems with IBM than other manufacturers. It installed in my 701 > > > running > > > > > Win95 fine and the O/S recognized the devise, but apparently no > drivers > > > are > > > > > loaded so I don't get an icon and am unable to access the drive. > IBM > > > says > > > > > that the devise has been withdrawn and there are no drivers > available > > > for > > > > > it to operate under Win95. So am I just out of luck? Or do some of > the > > > > > other list members have come across a solution. As these units seem > to > > > be > > > > > appearing on various auction at reasonable prices, I was hoping to > test > > > > > this one with the intention of getting several more. I'd appreciate > any > > > > > help or comment on this problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jan 30 13:19:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA169964368; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:19:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04395; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:14:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04238; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04226; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 13:14:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from MYHOSTNAME (slip129-37-196-122.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.122]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA58654 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:14:40 GMT Message-Id: <34D21840.31EE@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 12:13:20 -0600 From: Vernon Wankerl X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Thinkpad 365XD Floppy Drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP 365XD with an external floppy disk drive, 24M RAM, 2.1G Hard Drive, SlimSCSI PC Card and MegaHertz XJEM3288 Ethernet/Modem Card. I have installed Win95 and OS/2 Warp 4 using Boot Manager. Everything works reasonably well until I install Seagate BackupExec for Win95 while booted to Win95. Once this is installed access to the floppy drive is no longer available. Win95 seems to see it based on the fact that System reports it is there and functioning correctly. When I try to access it anyway though there is no response from the drive at all. Interestingly though, the LED under the screen that indicates floppy access lights but the LED on the drive itself does not light. If I uninstall BackupExec, I regain access to the floppy as though there was nothing wrong. Seagate has yet to offer any help or suggestions. Anybody here be able to help?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 31 04:37:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029559422; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:37:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04947; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:35:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04838; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:35:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04826; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:35:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:35:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:35:06 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad Netiquette Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It would be quite nice if all of us, including Paul :-), could cut all irrelevant information when using the reply command. Regards, Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 31 12:35:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA082398155; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:35:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19228; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:31:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19016; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from quip.eecs.umich.edu (root@quip.eecs.umich.edu [141.212.99.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19003; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from lestat.eecs.umich.edu (pm1-24.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.6.249]) by quip.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA24274 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:31:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <003101bd2e6d$b51f9220$a608d58d@lestat.eecs.umich.edu> From: "Timothy D. Strong" To: Subject: Linux (XWindows) on a 755C Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:28:52 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there anyone on the list using the RedHat 5.0 distribution of Linux on a Thinkpad 755C. I'm having some trouble getting the XF86Config file just right. I've pulled a couple of people's Config files from the net but they all seem to be from older versions of the Xwinodws server. Any help would be appreciated! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 31 12:56:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084839375; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:56:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19903; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:55:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19823; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from quip.eecs.umich.edu (root@quip.eecs.umich.edu [141.212.99.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19804; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lestat.eecs.umich.edu (pm1-24.eecs.umich.edu [141.213.6.249]) by quip.eecs.umich.edu (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA24685 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:54:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <002301bd2e70$fa1c1080$a608d58d@lestat.eecs.umich.edu> From: "Timothy D. Strong" To: Subject: Out of Office Autoreplys Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:52:13 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Isn't there anyway to configure this mailing list so we don't get bombarded by everyones "Vacation" program when we post. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 31 15:26:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA110198387; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:26:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23432; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:23:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23322; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23310; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02709 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:23:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id MAA19748; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:23:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:23:22 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux for a 360cse In-Reply-To: <003101bd2e6d$b51f9220$a608d58d@lestat.eecs.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Where would I look for info on placing Linex on a TP 360 CSE? Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jan 31 18:30:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA140819412; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:30:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27345; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27215; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27203; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.67.84.68]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA14334; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:19:21 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: Cc: "Mike Welch" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:52:46 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980131231920.AAA14334@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To EP Brown & Mike Welch, I tried what you suggested and under Control Panel/ Disk Drives, I show "Generic IDE Disk Type<7" which is set up as C: so I assume is the HD "Generic NEC Floppy Disk" which is set up as A: the 1.44 floppy. So I don't show another drive at all. On the otherhand, under Hard Disk Controllers, I show a "Integrated Peripherals PCMCIA Hard Disk" which has the (!) on it and the Device Status shows it as "This device is not present, not working Properly, or does not have all the driver installed. See your hardware documentation. (Code 10)". I'll assume that is the problem. Unfortunately, I don't get this every time; sometimes there is no (!) marking the drive and the Device Manager shows it to be working properly, but I still can't access it. Stan ---------- > From: epbrown > To: s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net > Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD > Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:01 PM > > On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 23:30:54 -0600, you wrote: > > >I just tried what you suggested, but was unable to enter anything under > >properties where it would let me select the drive as "removable", > >and"autoconfigure on insert". The only thing I see under resources are the > >"Resource settings:" > This is under DEVICE MANAGER, in DISK DRIVES? You should be able to > select the drive, then click on properties and get a menu offering > three tabs: GENERAL, SETTINGS, DRIVER. The SETTINGS tab is the one to > offer the options I mentioned. If it's not there, I have to admit I > don't know what's going on. > Emanuel > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, > editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown > Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jan 29 12:02 EST 1998 From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 98 08:54:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 29 Jan 1998 08:48:48 -0700 (MST), HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca wrote: >Date: 01/29/1998 08:40 am (Thursday) >From: Grant Hilsenteger >To: energy.smtpgw."thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply > > > > >> I've told her to tell her software supplier to get with the times and >> develop a Win95 version of their software and make it a lot more >compatible >Haa, I'd rather have a DOS program then a Win95 one. > >Yah, but for people who only use the computer as a *tool* in their >business and don't care about the OS Except for the people I know. THey wouldn't put a Microsoft OS on their computers if they were paid to. so much, it would be nice to have a >consistent standard since they don't have the time to be worrying about >whether it runs in DOS or Windows. That is, since most of the world (like >it or not) is using some form of Windows, most business people have >gotten used to the GUI interface. That's not neccesarily true, there are *many* businesses that run on OS/2, Linux, the Mac OS, etc. It's not completely a Windows world. If computer programs evolved the way >that hardware has, then most programs would be very "black-box" and >people would not have to worry as much. Developing a program that >doesn't work this way is just added confusion when the update would >not be too difficult to program. > How about just create these kind of applications in JAVA so they work under MANY different OSes? Just my 2 cents for today. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 23m 49s 359ms.