From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 02:06:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204336769; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:06:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07852; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:00:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07554; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07537; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:00:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts06.loop.net (p07.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.202]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA14999 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:59:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802010659.WAA14999@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 22:58:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Out of Office Autoreplys Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:52:13 -0500, Timothy D. Strong wrote: >Isn't there anyway to configure this mailing list so we don't get bombarded >by everyones "Vacation" program when we post. > > I agree with that. It get's annoying when I wasn't even emailing to that particular person. And yes, I'm cutting down on the OS flames, sorry, I was just a bit stressed last week. :( -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 35m 38s 671ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 02:56:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA211249795; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:56:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07898; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:03:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07719; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07555; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts06.loop.net (p07.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.202]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA15028; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 23:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802010700.XAA15028@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Christoph Eyrich" Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 09:20:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Netiquette Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 10:35:06 +0100 (MET), Christoph Eyrich wrote: > >It would be quite nice if all of us, including Paul :-), could >cut all irrelevant information when using the reply command. > Okay. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp 3 on my "DX2-50" Running OS/2 Warp 4 on my server and ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 28 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 2d 0h 49m 53s 968ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 04:45:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226856352; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:45:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12354; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:44:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12266; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12253; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 04:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:44:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:44:20 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Patrick West Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux for a 360cse In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Patrick West wrote: > Where would I look for info on placing Linex on a TP 360 CSE? http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ http://www.wwsi.com/linux-tp.html Good luck Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 08:36:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA250030172; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:36:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22488; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:34:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22352; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.socket.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22340; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 08:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p234.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.44]) by mail.socket.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11552 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 07:17:46 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34D47952.CD847B67@socket.net> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 07:32:02 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM PCMCIA HDD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <19980131231920.AAA14334@infinia> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Stanley, I got out my PCMCIA disk (same one as yours) the other day, and it does not work as well as I remembered. The way I can get it to work (and I'll be the first to admit this is not an elegant workaround) is by removing it in device manager and rebooting. When it reboots, it finds the PCMCIA disk, installs it and gives it a drive letter. In my desktop system, I also have to remove the PCI IDE controller, which I don't use, but W95 insists on installing for me. Obviously, this may not be an exact workaround for your 701, but it should give you a couple of things to try. Lewis Stanley Chen wrote: > > To EP Brown & Mike Welch, > > I tried what you suggested and under Control Panel/ Disk Drives, I > show > "Generic IDE Disk Type<7" which is set up as C: so I assume is the HD > "Generic NEC Floppy Disk" which is set up as A: the 1.44 floppy. > So I don't show another drive at all. On the otherhand, under Hard > Disk > Controllers, I show a "Integrated Peripherals PCMCIA Hard Disk" which > has > the (!) on it and the Device Status shows it as "This device is not > present, not working Properly, or does not have all the driver > installed. > See your hardware documentation. (Code 10)". I'll assume that is the > problem. Unfortunately, I don't get this every time; sometimes there > is no > (!) marking the drive and the Device Manager shows it to be working > properly, but I still can't access it. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 09:42:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258364154; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:42:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23551; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:42:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:41:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23477; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23465; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA29999; Sun, 1 Feb 98 09:40:26 EST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 09:40:26 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802011440.AA29999@nile.gnat.com> To: kress@u.washington.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wine and Computing Dont Mix. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <<2. In the $3.5k range, am I better off with a low-end 765 or a higher end 560? >> I don't know TP prices that well, but you can get a brand new Tecra 740CDT (13.3" TFT, 166MHz MMX, nice machine, it took the TP770 coming along for me to think it was worth a switch), oh 3 gig disk by the way, for about $2600. I would assume that you should be able to do equally well in the TP line ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 10:09:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA262155780; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:09:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24129; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:08:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24058; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24039; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00830; Sun, 1 Feb 98 10:07:45 EST Date: Sun, 1 Feb 98 10:07:45 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802011507.AA00830@nile.gnat.com> To: HILSENG@enr.gov.ab.ca, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701C Modem: Doesn't work in DOS? -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As a confirmed OS/2 user, who agrees with some of the evaluation here, I still think it is a totally irrelevant and VERY ANNOYING distraction to have silly operating systems flames on this mailing list! -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 12:32:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280874378; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:32:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26925; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:31:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26840; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26821; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA280524275; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:31:15 -0500 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0xz3Eg-0001czC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:31:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:31:14 -0500 (EST) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: strongtd@umich.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux (XWindows) on a 755C X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.92, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 12:28:52 -0500 From: "Timothy D. Strong" Is there anyone on the list using the RedHat 5.0 distribution of Linux on a Thinkpad 755C. I'm having some trouble getting the XF86Config file just right. I've pulled a couple of people's Config files from the net but they all seem to be from older versions of the Xwinodws server. Any help would be appreciated! Here is my XF86Config. I use it on a 755C running Debian 1.3.1, which is running XFree86 3.3. # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. This man page is installed as /usr/X11R6/man/man5/XF86Config.5x # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. # DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. # DontZoom EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line # Protocol "Xqueue" AutoRepeat 500 5 # Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be required # when using pre-R6 clients # ServerNumLock # Specifiy which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Xleds 1 2 3 # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: LeftAlt Meta # RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose # ScrollLock ModeLock EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/psaux" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice Emulate3Buttons # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "NEC XE15" VendorName "NEC" ModelName "XE15" BandWidth 85.0 HorizSync 31-65 VertRefresh 55-120 # # 640x480@63Hz Non-Interlaced mode (non-standard) # Horizontal Sync = 32.8kHz # Timing: H=(1.41us, 1.41us, 5.08us) V=(0.24ms, 0.092ms, 0.92ms) # ModeLine "640x480.63" 28.322 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # # VESA 640x480@72Hz Non-Interlaced mode # Horizontal Sync = 37.9kHz # Timing: H=(0.76us, 1.27us, 4.06us) V=(0.24ms, 0.079ms, 0.74ms) # ModeLine "640x480.72" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 492 520 EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** Section "Device" # SVGA server auto-detected chipset Identifier "ThinkPad 755C Video" VendorName "Western Digital" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "wd90c24" Clocks 25.175 28.322 65 36 # These are *not* programmable Clocks 29.979 77.408 62.195 59.957 # these are programmable Clocks 31.5 35.501 75.166 50.114 # these are *not* programmable Clocks 39.822 72.038 44.744 80.092 # these are programmable Clocks 44.297 # Change this if you change Mclk EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # The colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "SVGA" Device "ThinkPad 755C Video" Monitor "NEC XE15" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480.72" "640x480.63" Virtual 640 480 ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 14:53:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA002762807; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:53:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01119; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:48:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00945; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00933; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 14:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-202.d.enteract.com (usrx2-202.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.202]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id NAA21715 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:48:33 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [tp560] Price watch! Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 19:48:42 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34d7d110.61498408@mail.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Saw the TFT model of the 560 P133 for $1299 refurbed at www.surplusdirect.com today. Just an FYI, since the new ones are still over the $2k mark. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 1 16:22:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA016718124; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:22:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03547; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:18:13 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03428; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:18:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA23667; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24348; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 10:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:13:43 +0000 Received: from falcon.ukc.ac.uk by falcon.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id PAA23102; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:13:41 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:13:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.F.Hewlett" To: "Timothy D. Strong" Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: Linux (XWindows) on a 755C In-Reply-To: <003101bd2e6d$b51f9220$a608d58d@lestat.eecs.umich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Timothy D. Strong wrote: > Is there anyone on the list using the RedHat 5.0 distribution of Linux on a > Thinkpad 755C. I'm having some trouble getting the XF86Config file just > right. I've pulled a couple of people's Config files from the net but they > all seem to be from older versions of the Xwinodws server. > > Any help would be appreciated! Same problem here - the only solution I've found is to plug an SVGA monitor in to the display port on the TP, switch to external display only, then run the configurator and start X. Once X is up and running, you can switch back to the LCD... however, I've never been able to get around this, and if I want to start X without a monitor handy, I'm a bit stuck... Cheers, Angus. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 02:50:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA126075810; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:50:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28288; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:48:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:46:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28113; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28101; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 02:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-224.usc.edu [128.125.230.224]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA04298 for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:45:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980201234555.00c62314@rcf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 23:45:59 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: 701 Upgrade Update! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi All, You all might remember my review of the PEP AMD CPU update to my 701C... I thought I should let you know that while I wasn't particularly impressed, my brother Dave was in town with his 701C (same specs--except without the CPU upgrade). He used our upgrade one to get some drivers to his own 701C and commented that to him, the machine was "noticably snappier". He said he'd probably pay $300 for the upgrade. So there's another opinion for you... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 13:59:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230735977; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:59:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00858; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00290; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (lambda.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00270; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-062.usc.edu [128.125.227.62]) by lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24714 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:46:52 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980202104716.0074164c@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 10:47:50 -0800 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Wanted: Memory Upgrade for TP760C/TP760CD/TP760L/TP760LD ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have an 8MB or 16MB DIMM leftover from a TP760C, TP760CD, TP760L, or TP760LD memory upgrade? If so, I would be interested in buying it for my TP760CD. I would prefer original IBM memory or Kingston memory as I have good experience w/both. The target memory is 3.3 V 70 nsec 88 pin nonparity EDO SO DIMM -- e.g. IBM option # 92G7315, 92G7316, KTM760/8, or KTM760/16A. Thanks, AJ Annala, Pharmacology Dept, UCLA School of Medicine From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 16:00:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256063207; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:00:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07933; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:52:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07750; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07735; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:52:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from flash.net (lash3-169.flash.net [209.30.74.169]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29269 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:51:55 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34D631CC.93E71D39@flash.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 12:51:25 -0800 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: 360C problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Help! I've been reading quietly for weeks, now it's time to ask a question. I have a Thinkpad 360C that doesn't work. If I plug it in, the battery charge light will come on, but nothing happens when I turn on the computer. If I remove the floppy drive and the hard drive, then the light panel blinks, three of the lights on the right side blink again, and the rightmost light stays on along with the charging lights. Does anyone have any ideas what is wrong? Any suggestions on how to fix it or get it fixed for, say, under $200? How much is it worth in working condition anyway? It has a 340 MB hard drive and a 16 MB memory card. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 16:14:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA258804077; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:14:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09236; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:11:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09132; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail3.texas.net (mail3.texas.net [207.207.0.141]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09111; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ThinkPad.texas.net (tcnet01-37.dallas.texas.net [207.207.53.205]) by mail3.texas.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28902 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:11:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802022111.PAA28902@mail3.texas.net> From: "Michael Kutchins" To: "Thinkpad News-group" Subject: Enhanced Port Replicator Conflict Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:10:57 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've recently started to use my TP 560X as both a travel and desktop machine, the latter with the new expanded Port Replicator from IBM. In the docked state, the machine frequently requires several attempts at initial bootup to finish the process without crashing. When traveling (without of the replicator), there's no problem. The conflict apparently revolves around some DLL's since Norton Crash Guard gives me some information. It also looks like the incompatibility involves Office 97 since one of the quoted dll's is MSO97.dll. I was hesitant to get into the finger pointing between operating system, software and hardware before I asked around. Any thoughts and/or comments will be appreciated. Mike Kutchins kutchins@texas.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 17:09:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA271207362; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:09:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11851; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:54:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11703; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:54:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from vader.dhs.com (vader.dhs.com [198.69.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11669; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:54:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from jim ([198.69.202.22]) by vader.dhs.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA08260; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:55:05 -0600 Message-Id: <34D64064.573C@cyberramp.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:53:40 -0600 From: Jim McGhee Reply-To: jmcghee@cyberramp.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: paphbob@flash.net Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: 360C problem References: <34D631CC.93E71D39@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu See if it will start up without the battery. Jim Bob Garagliano wrote: > > Help! > > I've been reading quietly for weeks, now it's time to ask a question. I > have a Thinkpad 360C that doesn't work. If I plug it in, the battery > charge light will come on, but nothing happens when I turn on the > computer. If I remove the floppy drive and the hard drive, then the > light panel blinks, three of the lights on the right side blink again, > and the rightmost light stays on along with the charging lights. > > Does anyone have any ideas what is wrong? Any suggestions on how to fix > it or get it fixed for, say, under $200? How much is it worth in working > condition anyway? It has a 340 MB hard drive and a 16 MB memory card. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 17:24:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273538271; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:24:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13421; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:21:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13324; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:21:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13310; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from (fwd05.btx.dtag.de) [194.25.2.165] by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0xzTvd-00021a-00; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:01:21 +0100 Received: from lx-server (022074748-0001(btxid)@[193.159.54.2]) by fwd05.btx.dtag.de with smtp (S3.1.29.1) id ; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:01:14 +0100 Message-Id: <34D798B9.61D9C00B@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 22:22:49 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: No X Display on 365x Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 022074748-0001@t-online.de From: g.schrode@t-online.de (Gerd Schrode) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hallo all, I have a Problem with my 365x Thinkpad to run X. All the configuration is ok, but the Display shows undefined Characters if I stop X with -ctrl alt bs-. after break my Display on remote Server shows as follows --------------------------------------------------------- XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: rules: "xfree86" (**) XKB: model: "pc101" (**) XKB: layout: "us" (**) Mouse: type: PS/2, device: /dev/psaux, baudrate: 1200 (**) SVGA: Graphics device ID: "Trident TGUI9420DGi (generic)" (**) SVGA: Monitor ID: "Primary Monitor" (**) FontPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" (--) SVGA: PCI: Trident TGUI 9320 rev 227, Memory @ 0x08000000, 0x08200000 (--) Trident chipset version: 0xa3 (Cyber9320) (--) SVGA: Revision 3. (--) SVGA: Using Trident programmable clocks (--) SVGA: chipset: tgui9320lcd (--) SVGA: videoram: 1024k (**) SVGA: Using 8 bpp, Depth 8, Color weight: 666 (--) SVGA: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 80.000 MHz (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "800x600" (--) SVGA: Removing mode "800x600" from list of valid modes. (**) SVGA: Mode "640x480": mode clock = 25.180 (--) SVGA: There is no mode definition named "640x400" (--) SVGA: Removing mode "640x400" from list of valid modes. (--) SVGA: Virtual resolution set to 640x480 (--) SVGA: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024 (--) SVGA: Using Linear Frame Buffer at 0x08000000, Size 1MB (--) SVGA: Using XAA (XFree86 Acceleration Architecture) (--) SVGA: XAA: No acceleration primitives defined. xinit: connection to X server lost. waiting for X server to shut down X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). xterm: fatal IO error 2 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0" xterm: fatal IO error 2 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server ":0.0" who can help best regards ..... Gerd From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 2 21:41:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA021503700; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:41:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24915; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:40:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:39:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24783; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:39:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24768; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:38:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA20387; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:36:43 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00546; Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:40:43 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802030240.QAA00546@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Enhanced Port Replicator Conflict To: kutchins@texas.net (Michael Kutchins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 98 16:40:43 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199802022111.PAA28902@mail3.texas.net>; from "Michael Kutchins" at Feb 2, 98 3:10 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I was hesitant to get into the finger pointing between operating system, > software and hardware before I asked around. Note that with any new TP running Windoze, IBM (*not* MS) is responsible for OS tech support. So, I'd go ahead an call IBM, and let them point the finger at themselves! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 02:06:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA079419607; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:06:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04803; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:03:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04643; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04631; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 02:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from flash.net (lash6-165.flash.net [209.30.75.165]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17886 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:03:12 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34D6C10D.2E85359C@flash.net> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 23:02:37 -0800 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: 360C problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Philip Carter wrote: > Sounds like the battery doesn't have the capacity to run the machine (with > the drives in place). The battery may be so bad as the charger can't run > the computer without the battery. Have you tried a new (or different) > battery? > You may be right. I just put it through a charge cycle and got 6.5 volts on the battery that should be 9.6. I may have a chance to try a battery over the next few days from someone else's working 360, I'll post the results here. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 09:00:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA141814401; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:00:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23240; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:57:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23131; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:57:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23112; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from jmcghee.cyberramp.net (pm1-12.cyberramp.net [207.158.78.12]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.8.7/8.8.7/jkd-0202-1756-NR-RBL5) with SMTP id HAA17732; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:57:24 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34D72241.21B5@cyberramp.net> Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:57:21 -0600 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: paphbob@flash.net Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: 360C problem References: <34D6C10D.2E85359C@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Don't keep trying to charge a bad battery on your 360C! The 360 and 355 both have a problem where the power connector is soldered onto the pc board. All the current goes through a feed through which eventually gets so hot it turns the board around it black. Jim Bob Garagliano wrote: > > Philip Carter wrote: > > > Sounds like the battery doesn't have the capacity to run the machine (with > > the drives in place). The battery may be so bad as the charger can't run > > the computer without the battery. Have you tried a new (or different) > > battery? > > > > You may be right. I just put it through a charge cycle and got 6.5 volts on > the battery that should be 9.6. I may have a chance to try a battery over the > next few days from someone else's working 360, I'll post the results here. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 09:31:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146336301; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:31:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24751; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:30:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24654; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:30:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.xlink.net (relay.xlink.net [193.141.40.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24642; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:29:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from sparc01.llt.de ([192.129.53.1]) by relay.xlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA31391 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:29:43 +0100 Received: from YORICK1.llt.de ([192.129.53.94]) by sparc01.llt.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26934; Tue, 3 Feb 98 15:35:07 +0100 Received: by YORICK1.llt.de with Microsoft Mail id <01BD30B8.C1046B90@YORICK1.llt.de>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:10 +0100 Message-Id: <01BD30B8.C1046B90@YORICK1.llt.de> From: "William C. Hay" To: "'Thinkpad list'" Subject: Joystick adapter on 701c Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:09 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Runnings Win95 on my 701c, the device manager tells me there is a = joystick port installed (it seems to be integrated into the ES688(?) = sound chip). The documentation makes no mention of the joystick anywhere = and there is no connector on the port replicator either. Is this just a = dead-end on the system board or can I somehow attach a joystick to this = computer? Bill Hay bhay@llt.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 14:31:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA200574290; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:31:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12745; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:27:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:20:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12288; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from peritus.com (benden.peritus.com [199.26.190.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12264; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com (tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com [199.26.191.60]) by peritus.com (sendmail 8.6.12/Peritus-3.0) with ESMTP for id OAA09356; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:10:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com (sendmail 8.6.9/Peritus-2.0) id OAA24769; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:13:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199802031913.OAA24769@tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sigma Data replacement CD-ROMs for Thinkpad -- good or bad? Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:13:05 -0500 From: Don Markuson Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone have any opinions to share regarding Sigma Data replacement CD-ROM drives for Thinkpads? A friend got an 8x drive from CDW to replace the ailing 2x drive on his 755. While my 2x drive isn't ailing yet, this was a fairly inexpensive way for me to get a 8x speed boost, but I'm concerned about reliability. Under Win95, it's identified as a "Goldstar CD-ROM CRN-8080B". ..Don Markuson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 15:16:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209786997; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:16:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15718; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15547; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:08:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15522; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:07:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18522; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:07:34 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199802032007.PAA18522@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: Replacement CD-ROMs [TPAll] To: dmm@tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com (Don Markuson) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:07:33 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199802031913.OAA24769@tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com> from "Don Markuson" at Feb 3, 98 02:13:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Anyone have any opinions to share regarding Sigma Data replacement CD-ROM > drives for Thinkpads? A friend got an 8x drive from CDW to replace the ailing > 2x drive on his 755. While my 2x drive isn't ailing yet, this was a fairly > inexpensive way for me to get a 8x speed boost, but I'm concerned about > reliability. Under Win95, it's identified as a "Goldstar CD-ROM CRN-8080B". Sorry -- I have no experience with the Sigma Data units, but I just saw that Surplus Direct (www.surplusdirect.com) is currently selling new 6x IDE TEAC CD-46E CD-ROM drives which they claim are for internal use in ThinkPad 755/360/365 models. They're clearly a little confused about these model numbers (certainly the 360 series never accomodated CD-ROMs), but the price is pretty good: $22 + $8 shipping. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 15:48:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216218934; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:48:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18209; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:45:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18056; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:45:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17929; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p03.hwts09.loop.net (p03.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.48]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA14094 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:42:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802032042.MAA14094@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 12:44:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 360C problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 03 Feb 1998 07:57:21 -0600, Jim McGhee wrote: >Don't keep trying to charge a bad battery on your 360C! The 360 and 355 >both have a problem where the power connector is soldered onto the pc >board. All the current goes through a feed through which eventually >gets so hot it turns the board around it black. > So that's why my 355C got VERY VERY H O T the last time I tried charging the battery. Does IBM know about this? -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm probably not online) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 81 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 13m 43s 546ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 18:10:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245427440; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:10:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27096; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:04:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:03:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26928; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:03:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26908; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts14.loop.net (p07.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.202]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02430; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:02:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802032302.PAA02430@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "William C. Hay" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:01:28 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Joystick adapter on 701c Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:31:09 +0100, William C. Hay wrote: >Runnings Win95 on my 701c, the device manager tells me there is a joystick port installed (it seems to be integrated into the ES688(?) sound chip). The documentation makes no mention of the joystick anywhere and there is no connector on the port replicator either. Is this just a dead-end on the system board or can I somehow attach a joystick to this computer? > It's just a dead end. That's one of the reasons I installed Linux. It insisted on installing the game port, I said no, it kept installing it, so I disabled Plug 'n Play, etc. I don't know about the Dock II, but the ThinkPad itself has NO game port. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm probably not online) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 76 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 30m 55s 156ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 18:10:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245507450; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:10:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27176; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:04:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27020; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26921; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 18:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts14.loop.net (p07.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.202]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02491; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:03:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802032303.PAA02491@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Tim Tyhurst" Date: Tue, 03 Feb 98 13:05:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Replacement CD-ROMs [TPAll] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:07:33 -0500 (EST), Tim Tyhurst wrote: >> Anyone have any opinions to share regarding Sigma Data replacement CD-ROM >> drives for Thinkpads? A friend got an 8x drive from CDW to replace the ailing >> 2x drive on his 755. While my 2x drive isn't ailing yet, this was a fairly >> inexpensive way for me to get a 8x speed boost, but I'm concerned about >> reliability. Under Win95, it's identified as a "Goldstar CD-ROM CRN-8080B". > >Sorry -- I have no experience with the Sigma Data units, but I just saw that >Surplus Direct (www.surplusdirect.com) is currently selling new 6x IDE TEAC >CD-46E CD-ROM drives which they claim are for internal use in ThinkPad >755/360/365 models. They're clearly a little confused about these model >numbers (certainly the 360 series never accomodated CD-ROMs), That would be correct. Also, wasn't it only certain models of the 755 that supported CD-ROMs? but the >price is pretty good: $22 + $8 shipping. > Are you serious!?!? That's pretty cheap. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm probably not online) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 76 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 35m 8s 312ms. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm probably not online) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Do you have a spare CPU? If so, donate it to a good cause. Check out http://www.ionet.com/~colin/rc5 today! !os2stats From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 20:20:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272085221; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:20:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03919; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03725; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.teleport.com (smtp5.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03697; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12200 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:15:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA16613; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:15:34 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: L-120 drives In-Reply-To: <199802031913.OAA24769@tiger1.westboro-ma.peritus.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Does anyone know if there is an L-120 drive that can replace the floppy in a TP 360cse? Any ideas on where to look for such an item? Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 20:23:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272825407; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:23:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03917; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:17:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03754; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03737; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from sfupc.Triumf.CA by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 03 Feb 1998 17:16:07 PST Received: by sfupc.Triumf.CA with Microsoft Mail id <01BD30C7.AB281D80@sfupc.Triumf.CA>; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:17:56 -0800 Message-Id: <01BD30C7.AB281D80@sfupc.Triumf.CA> From: tisol Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Replacement CD-ROMs [TPAll] Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:17:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu They show a price of $39.98 ??? Any one know any more about these things ? Sorry -- I have no experience with the Sigma Data units, but I just saw that Surplus Direct (www.surplusdirect.com) is currently selling new 6x IDE TEAC CD-46E CD-ROM drives which they claim are for internal use in ThinkPad 755/360/365 models. They're clearly a little confused about these model numbers (certainly the 360 series never accomodated CD-ROMs), but the price is pretty good: $22 + $8 shipping. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 20:25:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA273665555; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:25:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04220; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:18:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04016; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from batch3.csd.uwm.edu (root@batch3.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.226]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03935; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (nardin@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.202]) by batch3.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with ESMTP id TAA16188 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:16:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (nardin@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.8.4/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA06242 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:16:24 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: alpha2.csd.uwm.edu: nardin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:16:24 -0600 (CST) From: Terry Nardin X-Sender: nardin@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: introduction Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm just about to purchase a TP 770 200 Mhz, the price of which has just dropped substantially (to just under $3,600 at CDW). The sales rep is recommending a Hayes 56K card modem, SD Ram by Visiontek, and an 8X-20X IBM CD-ROM. If I'm about to make a mistake, please let me know! (My work is mostly office applications, email, and wasting time on the Web.) Terry Nardin nardin@uwm.edu (414) 229-2426 Department of Political Science University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee PO Box 413 Milwaukee, WI 53201 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 20:35:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275116133; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:35:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04951; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:23:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04826; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:23:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.teleport.com (smtp5.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04794; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13884 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA17146; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:23:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:23:37 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Win95 screen saver Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, I have win95 on one one of my drives for the TP360 CSE. Running 256 colors, When the screen saver comes on it causes a lot of hard drive activity. I can see the hd light blinking away and hear the hard drive. If I press the enter key once at this point it stops and works fine. I don't have this problem when using another drive that is OS/2 Warp 3.0 any ideas? Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 21:35:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA285149709; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:35:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07849; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:32:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:30:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07670; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07656; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:30:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA20106; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:29:51 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199802040229.VAA20106@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: Replacement CD-ROMs [TPAll] To: machule@triumf.ca (tisol) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:29:50 -0500 (EST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BD30C7.AB281D80@sfupc.Triumf.CA> from "tisol" at Feb 3, 98 05:17:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > They show a price of $39.98 ??? > Any one know any more about these things ? To see their "Internet Special" price, you have to follow the "Special Values" link off of their main page; I just checked it again, and the current price is listed as $21. You have to order electronically to get this price, I think. I took a chance and ordered one; I won't see it until next week, though -- UPS Ground to Canada is pretty slow. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 21:44:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA287070244; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:44:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08761; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08682; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08667; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 21:42:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA13795; Tue, 3 Feb 98 21:41:18 EST Date: Tue, 3 Feb 98 21:41:18 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802040241.AA13795@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, nardin@uwm.edu Subject: Re: introduction Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I paid $316 for 64meg SDRAM for TP770 from Kingston, which seems a good deal. I have no experience with Visiontek. -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 3 20:19 EST 1998 X-Authentication-Warning: alpha2.csd.uwm.edu: nardin owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:16:24 -0600 (CST) From: Terry Nardin X-Sender: nardin@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm just about to purchase a TP 770 200 Mhz, the price of which has just dropped substantially (to just under $3,600 at CDW). The sales rep is recommending a Hayes 56K card modem, SD Ram by Visiontek, and an 8X-20X IBM CD-ROM. If I'm about to make a mistake, please let me know! (My work is mostly office applications, email, and wasting time on the Web.) Terry Nardin nardin@uwm.edu (414) 229-2426 Department of Political Science University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee PO Box 413 Milwaukee, WI 53201 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 5 21:37:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA165092674; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:37:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00151; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:36:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:29:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29709; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from custsrv1.vitts.com (custsrv1.vitts.com [208.7.161.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29696; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com ([208.7.172.8]) by custsrv1.vitts.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 120-40365U700L2S100) with SMTP id AAA4083 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:29:41 -0500 Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for www.summa4.com [208.7.161.33]) with SMTP; 6 Feb 1998 02:29:41 UT Received: from hal.summa4.com (kend@hal.summa4.com [10.1.1.13]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA18077 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:30:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:29:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Redhat 5.0/X on Thinkpad 701C. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, all. I've got a problem that could become important: on my girlfriend's computer, I've installed Redhat 5.0. Works fine, including X. EXCEPT if I try to execute X applications from other systems. 1) It's not xhost + or my DISPLAY variable, as (so far) two X applications DO work: xsnow and xlogo. 2) It's not my windows manager, as I've kicked off xinit with NO windows manager, and had the same problem. 3) I don't _think_ it's my video driver, but I'm not sure... Any ideas out there? I realize that this is fairly esoteric, but, after all, this mailing list is as close a forum as I can think of (I've never heard of a Linux 5.0 list for owners of 701C's, but if I do, I'll be sure to try there, too...) Thanks, Ken P.S. Previous versions and flavors of Linux have worked fine on our 701C's, and 5.0 works fine on the desktops I've installed it on. So it really does seem to be a 5.0-cum-701C issue. *sigh* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 6 11:16:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA287591807; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:16:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06501; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:10:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06190; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:10:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06127; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA08525; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01351; Fri, 6 Feb 98 11:11:02 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA19759; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:11:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:11:05 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Redhat 5.0/X on Thinkpad 701C. In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > Hi, all. I've got a problem that could become important: on my > girlfriend's computer, I've installed Redhat 5.0. Works fine, including > X. EXCEPT if I try to execute X applications from other systems. > > 1) It's not xhost + or my DISPLAY variable, as (so far) two > X applications DO work: xsnow and xlogo. > 2) It's not my windows manager, as I've kicked off xinit with > NO windows manager, and had the same problem. > 3) I don't _think_ it's my video driver, but I'm not sure... Could it be the application you're running uses something like Motif or Athena Widgets whose libraries you haven't installed? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 6 14:44:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027744240; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:44:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19396; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:38:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:37:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19211; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19164; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:36:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-112-19.ny.us.ibm.net [32.100.112.19]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA87298 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:36:51 GMT Message-Id: <34DB6640.C1D1640C@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:36:32 -0500 From: Friedrich Huebler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: introduction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As was pointed out in the recent thread on 56K modems, you should make sure that your modem supports the standard used by your Internet Service Provider: x2 or K56 flex. Friedrich Huebler Terry Nardin wrote: > I'm just about to purchase a TP 770 200 Mhz, the price of which has just > dropped substantially (to just under $3,600 at CDW). The sales rep is > recommending a Hayes 56K card modem, SD Ram by Visiontek, and an 8X-20X > IBM CD-ROM. If I'm about to make a mistake, please let me know! (My work > is mostly office applications, email, and wasting time on the Web.) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 6 14:55:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA029764921; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:55:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19416; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:36:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19151; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19096; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-112-19.ny.us.ibm.net [32.100.112.19]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA87034 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:36:18 GMT Message-Id: <34DB6625.2B467F09@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 14:36:05 -0500 From: Friedrich Huebler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 screen saver References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do you have antivirus software installed? McAfee, for example, has an option that will scan your hard drive every time the screen saver is activated (I think it's called Screen Scan). Friedrich Huebler Patrick West wrote: > I have win95 on one one of my drives for the TP360 CSE. Running 256 > colors, > When the screen saver comes on it causes a lot of hard drive activity. > I can see the hd light blinking away and hear the hard drive. If I press > the enter key once at this point it stops and works fine. > > I don't have this problem when using another drive that is OS/2 Warp 3.0 > any ideas? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 6 18:02:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069236168; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:02:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01686; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:58:57 -0500 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01413; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id RAA15500; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00567; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 17:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00902; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA27390; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:40:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:40:20 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Friedrich Huebler Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 screen saver In-Reply-To: <34DB6625.2B467F09@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu YES!, I do have Mcafee's and you are right. Thanks so much. :) On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Friedrich Huebler wrote: > Do you have antivirus software installed? McAfee, for example, has an > option that will scan your hard drive every time the screen saver is > activated (I think it's called Screen Scan). > > Friedrich Huebler > > Patrick West wrote: > > > I have win95 on one one of my drives for the TP360 CSE. Running 256 > > colors, > > When the screen saver comes on it causes a lot of hard drive activity. > > I can see the hd light blinking away and hear the hard drive. If I press > > the enter key once at this point it stops and works fine. > > > > I don't have this problem when using another drive that is OS/2 Warp 3.0 > > any ideas? > > > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 7 00:47:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA149350479; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:47:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14092; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:42:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13853; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13832; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 00:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts13.loop.net (p17.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA13308 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 1998 21:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802070541.VAA13308@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 06 Feb 98 21:40:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701, Audio Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know what the highest audio is that can be recorded on the 701? I'm trying to do a recording where the particular object comes once every 30-60 minutes, and I've had problems recording 22KHz, 16 bit. I'm using Warp 4, FP5. TIA. -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my IBM PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp Server 4.0 on my Pentium 66 File Server Running OS/2 Warp 4.0 on my Pentium 75 Web/FTP Server Running OS/2 Warp 4.0 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. Check out the Team Warped RC5 stats at http://warped.cswnet.com/rc5stats Check out the new Telnet real-time chat system from Centari computers at: http://pages.sssnet.com/Confed2/BBSdoor.html Just telnet the IP address, and use port 5555. We're waiting for you! :) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 38m 15s 992ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 7 04:19:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182123163; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 04:19:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25632; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 04:18:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 04:17:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25543; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 04:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cheetah.cs.ucla.edu (Cheetah.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.132.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25530; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 04:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from damon@localhost) by cheetah.cs.ucla.edu (8.8.8/UCLACS-3.0) id BAA04132 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:17:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 01:17:24 -0800 (PST) From: Damon Liu Message-Id: <199802070917.BAA04132@cheetah.cs.ucla.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Miniature Mouse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I like to buy a mouse for my Thinkpad 765. The one I have in mind is IBM Miniature Mouse. Is its color black? Can someone comment on this mouse? Thanks. //damon From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 7 10:31:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224745462; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:31:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10988; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:30:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:29:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10886; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10873; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from brucemar ([12.68.134.84]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA11830 for ; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:28:38 +0000 Message-Id: <34DC7DBE.67CA@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 07 Feb 1998 10:29:02 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 760ED for sale. It is a P133 with all the goodies (docs, manual, joystick/video cable etc) 32 MB RAM 1.2 GIG HDD 12.1 Active MPEG 1 & 2 Video capture etc. $1650 located in NYC area or will ship 1 1/2 years left on warranty -- Reply to scosgt@worldnet.att.net or trenchgun@aol.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 7 15:48:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA272524513; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:48:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19435; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19322; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19309; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 15:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id MAA20658 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:45:10 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:45:10 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199802072045.MAA20658@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Apparently in the last week the 770 line has had a significant price cut, like 15-20% or so. They're still out of my range but those of you about to buy one should be aware of this. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 7 21:28:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA027914898; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:28:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28371; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:27:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:26:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28272; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28257; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA36412; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:24:23 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut In-Reply-To: <199802072045.MAA20658@netcom9.netcom.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've seen it, the top of the line 770 is now below $5000 in PC Connection. Very tempting, but something better is probably going to come out soon then. On Sat, 7 Feb 1998, Paul Rubin wrote: > Apparently in the last week the 770 line has had a significant > price cut, like 15-20% or so. They're still out of my range but > those of you about to buy one should be aware of this. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 00:42:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA058936542; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:42:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03578; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:40:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03474; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:40:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03454; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts08.loop.net (p13.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.28]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA29251; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:39:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802080539.VAA29251@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Rubin" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 07 Feb 98 21:37:57 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 12:45:10 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: >Apparently in the last week the 770 line has had a significant >price cut, like 15-20% or so. They're still out of my range but >those of you about to buy one should be aware of this. > I noticed. Now the best one is selling for "only" ~$4999 from CompUSA direct. Not bad for CompUSA, too. But WAY out of my range, too. :( -- Paul =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Running OS/2 2.1 on my IBM PS/2 55SX Running OS/2 Warp Server 4.0 on my Pentium 66 File Server Running OS/2 Warp 4.0 on my Pentium 75 Web/FTP Server Running OS/2 Warp 4.0 on my IBM ThinkPad 701CS Donate your idle CPU time to a needy cause. Join Team Warped and help to crack RC5-64! Check out http://www.ionet.net/~colin/rc5.html for more information. Check out the Team Warped RC5 stats at http://warped.cswnet.com/rc5stats Check out the new Telnet real-time chat system from Centari computers at: http://pages.sssnet.com/Confed2/BBSdoor.html Just telnet the IP address, and use port 5555. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 01:41:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067260091; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:41:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05173; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:40:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:38:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05031; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05019; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from p21.hwts15.loop.net (p21.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.246]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04567; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:36:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802080636.WAA04567@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "phr@netcom.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 07 Feb 98 22:34:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:12:28 -0800 (PST), Paul Rubin wrote: > >Apparently in the last week the 770 line has had a significant > >price cut, like 15-20% or so. They're still out of my range but > >those of you about to buy one should be aware of this. > > I noticed. Now the best one is selling for "only" ~$4999 from > CompUSA direct. Not bad for CompUSA, too. But WAY out of my > range, too. :( > >According to the www.thinkpads.com home page, a new 770 with a 266 mhz >cpu and an 8 gb disk is about to come out. That might explain the >current price cuts. I wonder if they will come out with a bigger >screen too--some off-brand models with 15" screens are apparently >available now. I think that the mobile Pentium II is due out this >summer, and that should result in further price cuts for the current >Pentium-MMX models. I believe the lower-end 770's are now under $4000. >When they get to the $3000 level including CD, I'll start getting >interested. Perhaps that will happen in the next few months. Meanwhile, >my 755cx is getting pretty clunky, but still holding up. > I can agree about my 701. It's a great machine, and except for that ^&$%*@% keyboard, it's held up quite well. :) One thing about the 15" screens, though - when you get bigger and bigger, it almost starts getting less portable - after all, what about opening up something like that on an airplane, or lugging it around? I take my ThinkPad everywhere, and when notebooks get to be 12-15 pounds, that's pushing it (I used to carry my desktop to school, in pieces, and that was already heavy for such a small system. ). -- Paul Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) For a list of systems running, send email to pkhoury@loop.com with SYSTEM in the subject line For a information about RC5-64 and real-time telnet chatting, send email to pkhoury@loop.com with INFO in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 5m 7s 500ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 01:50:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068250624; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:50:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05709; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:49:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:48:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05536; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (root@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05385; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA29230 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:16:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199802080616.WAA29230@netcom11.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: can 770 boot from pcmcia slot Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I notice the 560's setup menu has an option to boot from the PCMCIA slot, as an alternative to booting from the floppy or HD. Presumably this is so you can boot from a PCMCIA hard or flash disk. Can one of you lucky 770 owners out there check whether the 770 has the same option? Same question for 760/765 series, I guess, though I'm probably holding out for a 770 to replace my 755cx. The 380 unfortunately isn't interesting, since it has the evil Neomagic video chip... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 01:50:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA068260625; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:50:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05766; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:48:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05577; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:48:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom11.netcom.com (root@netcom11.netcom.com [192.100.81.121]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05393; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id WAA28970; Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:12:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 22:12:28 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199802080612.WAA28970@netcom11.netcom.com> To: phr@netcom.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Apparently in the last week the 770 line has had a significant >price cut, like 15-20% or so. They're still out of my range but >those of you about to buy one should be aware of this. I noticed. Now the best one is selling for "only" ~$4999 from CompUSA direct. Not bad for CompUSA, too. But WAY out of my range, too. :( According to the www.thinkpads.com home page, a new 770 with a 266 mhz cpu and an 8 gb disk is about to come out. That might explain the current price cuts. I wonder if they will come out with a bigger screen too--some off-brand models with 15" screens are apparently available now. I think that the mobile Pentium II is due out this summer, and that should result in further price cuts for the current Pentium-MMX models. I believe the lower-end 770's are now under $4000. When they get to the $3000 level including CD, I'll start getting interested. Perhaps that will happen in the next few months. Meanwhile, my 755cx is getting pretty clunky, but still holding up. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 02:14:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA073312065; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:14:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06704; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:13:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06617; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from po2.bbn.com (PO2.BBN.COM [192.1.50.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06603; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from daniel (DANIEL.BBN.COM [128.33.208.34]) by po2.bbn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA25470; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 02:10:09 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802080710.CAA25470@po2.bbn.com> X-Sender: cerys@zima.bbn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 02:10:54 -0500 To: "Philip Hogarth" From: Daniel Cerys Subject: Re: changing network settings Cc: "Thinkpad" , joe@bysnet.com In-Reply-To: <000c01bd22f6$fa0b84c0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:21 AM 1/17/98 +0000, Philip Hogarth wrote: >I'm using a ThinkPad 770 with Win 95. At work, I'm connected via the office >LAN to an ISDN line. At home, I'm using a cable modem. Both of these >connections call for different network settings (IP address, subnet mask, >DNS, etc.). So every day I'm changing these settings twice. > >Is there any way to automate this process? There's gotta be software that >allows for multiple network settings...but I can't find it! It's not a >particularly big deal but I have to re-boot each time. There is an excellent shareware tool that I use for network changes like this. It collects all configuration info into a config file that you apply with the tool. The tool is called NetSwitcher. See http://www.bysnet.com/netsw.html for details. Sorry for the timelag from the original posting. Dan ------------------------------------------------ Daniel Cerys Email: cerys@bbn.com GTE Internetworking, BBN Technologies 10 Moulton St. Mail Stop 6/4A Work Phone: +1(617)873-4534 Cambridge MA 02138 FAX: +1(617)873-2794 USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 08:03:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115533038; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:03:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21699; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:01:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21616; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21601; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA24559; Sun, 8 Feb 98 08:01:15 EST Message-Id: <34DDAC8B.6425F5DD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:01:00 -0500 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut References: <199802080612.WAA28970@netcom11.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Personally, I feel that the 14.1" screen on my 770 is as large a screen as I'd want to lug around. The 770's footprint is pretty much as small as possible considering the screen size. Any larger and the footprint would get even bigger, and the 770 already has a large footprint. Besides, I can't see the point of going larger than 14.1" with 1024x768. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 09:23:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA127987834; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:23:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23152; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:23:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:22:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23028; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23016; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-39.d.enteract.com (usrx2-39.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.39]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id IAA24232 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:22:22 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 14:22:37 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34e2be7e.44491898@mail.enteract.com> References: <199802080612.WAA28970@netcom11.netcom.com> <34DDAC8B.6425F5DD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <34DDAC8B.6425F5DD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:01:00 -0500, you wrote: >Personally, I feel that the 14.1" screen on my 770 is as large a screen >as I'd want to lug around. The 770's footprint is pretty much as small >as possible considering the screen size. Any larger and the footprint >would get even bigger, and the 770 already has a large footprint. >Besides, I can't see the point of going larger than 14.1" with 1024x768. Everyone has a different limit :-) For myself, I can't see carrying anything larger than 12.1", and that's pushing it when you consider how unwieldy it is on a plane. One advantage I hear from people with Toshiba 300s and Sharp Widenotes is that the "landscape" style display is easier to use in cramped sitting areas. I think when you get into 14.1" and 15" displays, we're regressing back to the day of the luggables. Regressing seems to be the order of the day. The Toshiba Libretto's display is even smaller than the one on my old IBM 510, and I remember everyone jumping for joy when such small displays were discontinued. Now, people are lining up to spend two grand on systems with them! I should sell the old thing as "retro" or something. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 11:51:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA147016706; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:51:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26360; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:51:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:50:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26264; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26252; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:50:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802081650.LAA26252@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from spc-isp-van-uas-05-9.sprint.ca [209.103.0.210] (HELO thinkpad) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0168_34dd_e18b_2e67; Sun, 08 Feb 1998 08:47:07 -0800 From: "David Crombie" To: Subject: 365XD com port prob Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:45:24 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey guys - I was wondering if anybody can lend a hand with a quick problem. I am running OS2 relese Win95 on a 365XD - recently I found that I wasn't able to "sync" my palmpilot throught the serial port. Everything I tried did not restore it. I wiped the drive and reinstalled windows fresh. Voila - same thing. The setup program automatically detects 4 ports - either listed as Not Available or "attached to a modem" (even when the modem is removed physically and not). In the system devices it shows com2, com1 serial IR, and LPT1 - they are all listed as OK. I know that on other computers I have used you can get into the startup screen at boot and configure com ports (my friends new netbook laptop for example - as crappy as it is). Does anybody have a suggestion??? Oh yah - one other thing - I am installing a PCethernet card tomorrow to run adsl (4MBps!!!) from home - I assume this will require the use of a com port??? Thanks _______________________ David S. Crombie david@crombie.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 17:18:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA201076311; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:18:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13793; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:13:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13532; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:13:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13511; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ITC9TELA808WW71K@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 15:13:03 MST Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 15:02:28 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TP701, Audio In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 06 Feb 1998 21:40:40 -0800" <199802070541.VAA13308@ritchie.loop.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ITCB43ANJI8WW71K@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does anyone know what the highest audio is that > can be recorded on the 701? I'm trying to do a recording where the > particular object comes once every 30-60 minutes, and I've had > problems recording 22KHz, 16 bit. I'm using Warp 4, FP5. TIA. 22kHz is a bit high for a 44.1kHz sampling rate - the high frequency limit is one half the sampling rate... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 19:21:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA222133688; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:21:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18047; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:18:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17939; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17926; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09344; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:16:33 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20035; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:20:39 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802090020.OAA20035@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall] Form factors (was: Re: 770 price cut) To: epbrown@enteract.com Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 14:20:39 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <34e2be7e.44491898@mail.enteract.com>; from "epbrown" at Feb 8, 98 2:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Everyone has a different limit :-) For myself, I can't see carrying > anything larger than 12.1", and that's pushing it when you consider > how unwieldy it is on a plane. Hear hear! On my last two trips to England (a *very* long flight from Hawaii) I had a TP701 on one trip, and a TP560 on the other. The 701 was much better suited to the plane seats (screen was OK even with the seat ahead all the way back, and the smaller footprint gave me room on the minitable for both the machine and the floppy), and the battery life was better (slower CPU + smaller screen). Plus, the smaller LxW part of the form factor made it easier than the thin-but-otherwise-standard 560 to squeeze into a side pocket of my carry-on luggage. Frankly, I'd gladly move back to the 701 if I could keep the performance and [so far!] reliability of the 560. BTW, on my last flight a guy several rows ahead of me had a machine with a 13" TFT screen. Half the flight he couldn't use it because of the seat ahead of him; when he *did* use it, I could very clearly see the (confidential) report he was writing! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 19:32:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA225454347; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:32:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18671; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:29:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18599; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:29:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18587; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA09373; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:27:37 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA20064; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:31:43 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802090031.OAA20064@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: [TPall] LAN card deal spotted To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 14:31:43 HST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While looking for a SCSI card for my wife, I spotted a real deal on the New Media Livewire LAN PCMCIA card - $39.99 at www.insight.com. This is a 10bT/bnc combo card, and I assume the price is due to the fact that it is an older model (the faster Livewire+ is current, and twice as much). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 23:24:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267568295; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:24:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26397; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:18:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:15:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25928; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25894; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:15:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sputnik (13-196.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.13.196]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA22750 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:15:18 -0600 (CST) Posted-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:15:18 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: timf@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:19:13 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Timothy W. Foreman" Subject: [TP365X] Parts sources? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am missing on of the flip down feet on my TP 365X. Does anyone know of a good place to find parts like this? -- Timothy W. Foreman -- Engineering Manager American Mold & Engineering Co., Minneapolis MN timf@AmericanMold.com -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 23:25:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267688308; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:25:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26730; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:22:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26647; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26591; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09287; Sun, 8 Feb 98 23:20:41 EST Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 23:20:41 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802090420.AA09287@nile.gnat.com> To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: 770 price cut Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> That's true, the interesting step up is 1280 x 1024 15" and that should be coming fairly soon. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 23:28:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268268518; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:28:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27186; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:24:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26892; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:24:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26879; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:24:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09337; Sun, 8 Feb 98 23:23:26 EST Date: Sun, 8 Feb 98 23:23:26 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802090423.AA09337@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu << Everyone has a different limit :-) For myself, I can't see carrying anything larger than 12.1", and that's pushing it when you consider how unwieldy it is on a plane. One advantage I hear from people with Toshiba 300s and Sharp Widenotes is that the "landscape" style display is easier to use in cramped sitting areas. I think when you get into 14.1" and 15" displays, we're regressing back to the day of the luggables. >> That seems a bit odd to me, the weight and overall size of the 770 with a 14" screen is no greater than the thinkpads I have always had in the past, and it is certainly no harder to use on a plane (indeed the far superior battery setup -- 3 hours + so much easier to use two batteries swapping one at a time -- makes it much better on a plane. I recentlyt travelled from Melbourne to LAX with four batteries, and that was a MUCH easier trip (and much less to carry) than when I did it last time and had to take 5 extra batteries along. Battery weight is a significant factor for me (soon we hope planes will have power, at least in 1st class, but that has not happened yet). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 8 23:29:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA268948586; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:29:46 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26400; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:15:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25912; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25892; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 23:15:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sputnik (13-196.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.13.196]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id WAA22742 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:15:15 -0600 (CST) Posted-Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:15:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: X-Sender: timf@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 08 Feb 1998 22:20:09 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Timothy W. Foreman" Subject: [Intro] New List Member Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all TP users out there. I just discovered this list and the auto-response suggested that I introduce myself and describe my ThinkPad. So, here goes. My name is Tim Foreman and I am the Enginering Manager at a plastic injection mold shop called American Mold & Engineering. I bought my ThinkPad in October as a sort of early birthday present to myself. (It's actually a bday, xmas, bday, xmas, bday present. ;-) My ThinkPad is a 365X with a 133MHz cpu, 1.0 GB Harddrive, 40 MB RAM and the Dual Scan screen. I accessorized it right away with an Addonics PocketCD 10X CD-ROM, a Pretek 33.6 Modem card, a ZipDrive Adaptor and a NIC. The Addonics CD-ROM is a really slick unit that has built-in NiCad batteries and draws power from the PCMCIA slot. There is no power adapter. I really like it and would reccomend it. The modem is pretty nice. It was cheap and almost always connects at 33.6 so I like it. The Zip drive adapter also has NiCad batteries in it and thus can run the Zip drive with no power supply. I can reccomend this too. The NIC is a generic 10 base T card. What can I say? It works. Over all, I really like my ThinkPad. The only complaint that I have is that the screen only displays 256 colors, but I can get over that. I got it used for what I considered a super-deal. That's all for now. Hope I didn't ramble on too long. -- Timothy W. Foreman -- Engineering Manager American Mold & Engineering Co., Minneapolis MN timf@AmericanMold.com -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 00:31:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279972300; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:31:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00278; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:29:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29965; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29948; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts01.loop.net (p22.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.67]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09691 for ; Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802090527.VAA09691@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 08 Feb 98 21:26:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 8 Feb 98 23:20:41 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><as I'd want to lug around. The 770's footprint is pretty much as small >as possible considering the screen size. Any larger and the footprint >would get even bigger, and the 770 already has a large footprint. >Besides, I can't see the point of going larger than 14.1" with 1024x768. >>> > >That's true, the interesting step up is 1280 x 1024 15" and that should >be coming fairly soon. > I'm just suprised that they have 1024*768 on an LCD now - I think 800*600 is good enough for me, and I'm just so used to using 12" CRTs (the 10.4" on my 701 is equivalent to the viewing area of these 2 CRTs) at 640*480. Plus, I heard rumors a while back that eventually notebooks would become laptops again where you could only power on from a AC socket. That idea is dumb IMO, though, because I could just as easily take my desktop with me (and I have, too). -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 5h 36m 0s 85ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 01:08:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA287084530; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:08:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01649; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:02:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01518; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01505; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:02:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA12103; Mon, 9 Feb 98 01:01:25 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 01:01:25 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802090601.AA12103@nile.gnat.com> To: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul said <> Let's cut down on the undocumented FUD factor here! No one is suggesting that notebooks might appear that are AC only. On the contrary, the trend has been to lower power usage and longer battery life (it is very nice to get 3 hours from a battery instead of 2 on previous TP's). One thing that will be nice is when the 12V DC power receptacles become universal on planes etc. this will cut down on the number of batteries we long-distance travellers (I just returned from a 30,000 mile air trip) have to carry :-) I suggest that when you "hear" something, you make a bit of effort to find out if it has any substance before posting it on the internet, it is amazing how fast rubbish rumours can spread fueled by ignorance and lack of facts! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 02:23:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA006799033; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:23:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03912; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:22:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:19:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03680; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03668; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 02:19:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-216.d.enteract.com (usrx2-216.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.216]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id BAA19086 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:19:16 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 price cut Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 07:19:31 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34e3ab25.8217559@mail.enteract.com> References: <9802090423.AA09337@nile.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <9802090423.AA09337@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 8 Feb 98 23:23:26 EST, you wrote: >That seems a bit odd to me, the weight and overall size of the 770 with >a 14" screen is no greater than the thinkpads I have always had in the >past, and it is certainly no harder to use on a plane (indeed the far >superior battery setup -- 3 hours + so much easier to use two batteries >swapping one at a time -- makes it much better on a plane. I recentlyt >travelled from Melbourne to LAX with four batteries, and that was a >MUCH easier trip (and much less to carry) than when I did it last time >and had to take 5 extra batteries along. Battery weight is a significant >factor for me (soon we hope planes will have power, at least in 1st >class, but that has not happened yet). Well, I wasn't referring specifically to Thinkpads - I was thinking of the huge Sagers and Prostars that are arriving with these displays. But I do find the increase in screen size a little problematic. I found myself wishing for my Thinkpad 510 or my old 701 the last time I flew Southwest home to KY - I was lucky to get one of the "emergency" style seats without a seat-back in front of me on the trip back. I'll have to check IBM's web site, but I thought the 770's case was even larger than the 560's. I'll admit to a personal prejudice against laptops weighing more than 6lbs, so to me, the 770 is a rather bulky system. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 03:23:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA017082585; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:23:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06852; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:21:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06715; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06685; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 03:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip166-72-203-149.hi.us.ibm.net [166.72.203.149]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA38048; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:21:11 GMT Message-Id: <34DEBC5C.9BC448F0@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 01:20:44 -0700 From: Geza Szivos Organization: SIVCO Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: egiles@netpathway.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 770 References: <9801201503.AA16741@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's real uggly. I have the same problem. There is no help, just Ctrl+Alt+Del. Robert Dewar wrote: > is anyone else running WARP 4.0 on the high end 770? I would be interested > in knowing whether anyone else experiences my intermittent loss of the > screen (looks like a driver bug to me, but who knows). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 07:22:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA044266932; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:22:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20328; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:20:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20234; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20222; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA28252; Mon, 9 Feb 98 07:19:34 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 07:19:34 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802091219.AA28252@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, szivos@ibm.net Subject: Re: TP 770 Cc: egiles@netpathway.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Actually that's very encouraging, because it means it is NOT a problem in my particular machine. So now it is worth pursuing IBM on the problem (did you do so yet). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 12:32:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA096945536; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:32:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07450; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:13:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06858; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo22.mail.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06845; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from Ihsbooks@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv12/Dec1997) id FEPUa10839 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:12:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <44ebe63.34df3914@aol.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:12:50 EST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: intro Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 60 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi!! Looking forward to learning from this list. We own a used 701C that we bought from a place called Half Priced Computers in Dallas Tx. It had a multi-port adapter that has a broken hinge but usable. It did not come with a floppy or CD Rom drive which initially made life difficult until we were able to load our Zip Drive drivers onto the Thinkpad so that we could copy our software programs onto the Thinkpad. We had to have a friend upload the Zip drivers onto the net, then dowload them onto our Thinkpad. After that, the machine has worked beautifully!!! It runs AOL faster than our Pentium does!!! Lora From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 12:59:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA102267191; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:59:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10040; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:57:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09870; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (lambda.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09842; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-041.usc.edu [128.125.227.41]) by lambda.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23992 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:56:38 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980209095744.00754608@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 09:57:52 -0800 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 09 Feb 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had a system software problem yesterday; so, I decided to try reinstalling Windows 95B/OSR2 on my Thinkpad 760CD. At the same time I was curious about which piece of addon software was causing problems with exit from dos to win. When I added the MWAVE DSP & modem software the system stopped being able to exit from dos to windows and again reboots to the bios boot promt. Anyone have a cure? Also, it was very strange before the reinstallation, my external CDROM drives (Toshiba and Philips) connected to an Adaptec SlimSCSI card started appearing on my desktop as hard drive icons rather than as CDROM drives. But my Control Panel==>System==>Devices display said they were recognized as CDROM drives. Any clue how to fix this? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 13:08:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104367693; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:08:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09845; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09742; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (root@rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09721; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:55:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.1]) by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id SAA32618 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:55:33 +0100 (NFT) Received: from vesalius.uke.uni-hamburg.de by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-1.1b) id AA08440; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:08 +0100 Message-Id: <34DF42DF.62A2@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:54:39 +0100 From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Organization: UKE Hamburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everybody, I just can't take it anymore: What's the point of having a 14" or 15" display on a notebook anyway? Doesn't anybody care about size, weight and battery life anymore? I have a TP 750, which I will replace with a 560X as soon as prices have come down a bit (or rather a lot, actually). My TP 750 weighs less than 6 pounds, has a four hour battery life and its footprint is roughly A4 sized (297x210 mm; a little longer and narrower than letter size (279x216 mm or 11x8.5")), its thickness is about 1.2". Someone beat that recently?? (OK, OK the screen sucks and it is too slow, but the only small and lightweight alternative to me seems the 701 which is too slow by now as well. The 560 is slim, but its footprint - as well as just about every notebook's out there - is large) Having said that, the only real solution for a truly portable (remember: WEIGHT, SIZE, AND BATTERY LIFE) notebook that is available now is the 560X, but as soon as the next generation of Intel "portable" Pentiums comes along, battery life will be an issue again because of excessive CPU power demand (or so I hear and read everywhere). The only way to go for me: Wait with buying a TP 560X until the next generation has come to market and prices for the 560X have dropped, hoping that it will not be discontinued too soon. Sorry for all the rambling, but I had to get that off my chest. Thorsten From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 14:25:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120672349; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:25:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14869; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:10:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14683; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14664; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from MYHOSTNAME (slip129-37-196-83.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.83]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA89372 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:09:58 GMT Message-Id: <34DF548C.4D3C@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:10:04 -0600 From: Vernon Wankerl X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP365XD and Seagate Backup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an IBM Thinkpad 365XD with an external floppy drive. I would like to be able to backup this machine to an external SCSI tape drive using the SCSI PC Card I have. The backup software I have is Seagate Software's Backup Exec for Win 95 version 2.0. My problem is that while the floppy drive works just fine when the Backup Exec is not installed, once I install it WIN95 is unable to detect the floppy drive any more. The Device Configuration shows the floppy device is functioning properly but whenever I try to access it it is not found. I saw you suggestion in the Nov. 10 issue of InfoWorld but it didn't seem to apply to my situation. Is there any way I can have Backup Exec installed and still use my floppy disk? (By the way, I tried this same thing on a desktop machine with a couple different tape drives (one attached to floppy controller and one to a SCSI controller) and it did the same thing.) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 14:26:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA120822377; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:26:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15720; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:21:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15604; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15589; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:21:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00952; Mon, 9 Feb 98 14:20:38 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 14:20:38 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802091920.AA00952@nile.gnat.com> To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Different people need different capabilities. I use my TP as a desktop replacement, and I am doing large scale software development. I find a 1024 xs 768 screen pretty indispensible, and cannot live with 800 x 600. I don't mind the couple of pounds extra weight. Obviously we all would like it if we could get a notebook that was both light and acceptably powerful, but so far we have not had this option. Faced with the choice some will choose power, some weight, and isn't it nice that typical vendors lines of notebooks allow the choice? I also really welcome a screen that can be used in bright light. The 770 is the first screen that can really be used in bright light successfully (it is MUCH brighter than any previous TP screen). Again, there is no need to get to the stage of "I can't take it any more". Different folks have different requirements. My MOST important piece of advice on notebooks is try before you buy. If you are happy with a smaller lower resolution screen, go for it, if like me, screen size and brightness and resolution are paramount factors in the choice of a notebook, then you will make a different choice. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 15:00:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA129794409; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:00:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17987; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:50:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17842; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17824; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA14795; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:48:07 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22784; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:52:16 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802091952.JAA22784@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 9:52:16 HST Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9802091920.AA00952@nile.gnat.com>; from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 9, 98 2:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Different people need different capabilities. I use my TP as a desktop > replacement, and I am doing large scale software development. Whenever these weight vs. performance questions arise, it is good to remember that different machines are filling different niches. The 770 is really a lightweight 'luggable', an adequate desktop replacement with the added benefit of being relatively portable. I have a Micron in my office that serves this purpose. However, I never travel with the Micron - too heavy for my taste - and frankly don't even like to hold it on my lap because of its weight. For me, 4-5 pounds is the outer limit of what I will carry on trips (and on my lap), which is why I had a 701 and now a 560. > I find > a 1024 xs 768 screen pretty indispensible, and cannot live with 800 x 600. Some Windows software (and much of the DOS software I use) won't let you change the font size; this makes it hard to use at higher resolutions. For this reason I personally hope that 800x600 or lower res screens stay around for a while. > Obviously we all would like it if we could get a notebook that was both > light and acceptably powerful, but so far we have not had this option. Myself, I find almost all the machines on the market today - including the ultralights - remarkably powerful. Of course, my perspective is twisted >from my days of programming fairly serious apps in less than 4K of RAM. Nowadays the software world is riddled with lazy programming and bloated apps, which is why these really amazingly fast laptops seem so slow. I used to use one particular data analysis program on my 701, and it was perfectly usable. The latest version - with very little genuine extra functionality - is painfully slow on my P133 560. > I also really welcome a screen that can be used in bright light. The 770 > is the first screen that can really be used in bright light successfully > (it is MUCH brighter than any previous TP screen). Still not good enough! Why don't manufacturers make the case backs out of clear plastic? Then the backlight can be supplemented by the ambient light, and I might finally be able to use a laptop sitting outside on my deck! - David R. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 15:19:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133785584; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:19:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19093; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:03:33 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18938; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18882; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:03:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06366; Mon, 9 Feb 98 15:02:13 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 15:02:13 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802092002.AA06366@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <<> I find > a 1024 xs 768 screen pretty indispensible, and cannot live with 800 x 600. Some Windows software (and much of the DOS software I use) won't let you change the font size; this makes it hard to use at higher resolutions. For this reaso I personally hope that 800x600 or lower res screens stay around for a while. >> Software that does not work nicely with a 90 pixel/inch screen (generally this is considered the ideal value) is broken. if you have broken software you no doubt need broken hardware to use it :-) <> But that's the point, you can sit out on your deck with a 770. It is the first of the TP's for which this is true. I often do so, and I never could before! As for bloated software, it all depends what you are doing, I routinely compile hundreds of thousands of lines of code (a full compiler), and it is nice not to wait all day for such a compilation to complete. As I say, different strokes ... I must say that I do not find the 770 to be significantly heavier than any of the previous notebooks (including several thinkpads) that I have used, and considering its better battery life, its travel weight is lower, since I need to carry fewer extra batteries. I think a big issue is whether you are carrying a machine around with you all day, say in your briefcase. I don't do that at all, but if I did, nothing heavier than a Libretto would seem acceptable! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 15:43:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA138147001; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:43:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20576; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:25:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20358; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Arizona.EDU (Maggie.Telcom.Arizona.EDU [128.196.128.233]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20282; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU) by Arizona.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #2381) id <01ITDLLFAIOWDA9PYG@Arizona.EDU>; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:24:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09854; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:21:09 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA05852; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:19:27 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 13:19:27 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) To: ross@math.hawaii.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <199802092019.NAA05852@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I also really welcome a screen that can be used in bright light. The 770 > > is the first screen that can really be used in bright light successfully > > (it is MUCH brighter than any previous TP screen). > > Still not good enough! Why don't manufacturers make the case backs out of > clear plastic? Then the backlight can be supplemented by the ambient light, > and I might finally be able to use a laptop sitting outside on my deck! > > - David R. > I wonder if anyone experimented with one of those ThinkPads that were made to be used with an overhead projector. Slide a nice white diffuser in place of the backlight and take it outside. Would probably work real nice if the diffuser were facing the sun... Anyone got one of those old 755CV machines (or whatever they were)? Might actually work as a machine you could use in the field, especially for those of us that work outside in the southwest. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 16:26:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA145739586; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:26:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23877; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:15:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23756; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:15:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23716; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01ITDNEFUMTA94EQMC@asu.edu> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:15:48 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [129.219.129.221]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02185 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:15:23 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12599; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:15:16 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:15:16 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: introduction to the list and a question about 770/screens To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-Id: <9802092115.AA12599@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Please introduce yourself! Name: Juan-Carlos Lerman (or J.-C., or JC) Location: Tucson, Arizona, USA E-mail addresses: for thinkpad-list mail: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu for priority e-mail: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu > Tell us what kind of machine you have, No ThinkPad machine yet. I want to choose one of the models in the next days --if not hours!-- I've subscribed to the list to read and learn before deciding. > how it's configured (how much memory/disk, TBD (To Be Decided) hopefully after reading the gurus discussions in this list. > what accessories, etc.), One external accessory I'll need to use is a Zip 100 drive, parallel port model. > and what operating system(s) you are using. I'll probably have to get Windows 95 although I'm (still?) a command- line/no-mouse person. I probably would like to run alternative operating systems such as Linux --in fact I got info about this list from a Linux list-- QUESTION: I just saw a recent posting in the first batch I got from the list -I think it was from 'dewar' comments about the 770 resolution/size/brightness. I also need a screen with such characteristics. The specs I saw on line, posted by different vendors are not clear. Can you please comment on: a) are all 770 machines xga, i.e., both the 13in and the 14in screens ? b) how 'different' are the 14 in from the 13 in screens ? c) which size of screen did you get? Thanks in advance. JC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 16:32:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA146509964; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:32:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24722; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:28:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:26:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24560; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24528; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00325; Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:25:25 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:25:25 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802092125.AA00325@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Subject: Re: introduction to the list and a question about 770/screens Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Note that you can get an internal Zip drive for many thinkpad models <> I am talking about the 14" screen, the 13" screens are also xga, but I have not seen them. DO NOT buy a machine unless you have seen the screen yourself, you should not take anyone else's word for what is or is not acceptable or desirable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 16:41:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148960473; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:41:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25302; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:35:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:35:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25171; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25135; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16070; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:32:22 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22830; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:36:31 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802092136.LAA22830@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 11:36:31 HST Cc: dewar@gnat.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu, jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9802092002.AA06366@nile.gnat.com>; from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 9, 98 3:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Software that does not work nicely with a 90 pixel/inch screen (generally > this is considered the ideal value) is broken. if you have broken software > you no doubt need broken hardware to use it :-) I have several older DOS apps which are indispensible to me. I could replace some of them with their windows upgrades for a combined total of several thousand $$. This would give me no added functionality, possibly slow performance and create some backwards compatibility problems. I don't consider the software broken - but, it necessarily uses bitmapped fonts, and was written at a time when Hercules Mono was the highest resolution out there. > and I might finally be able to use a laptop sitting outside on my deck! > > But that's the point, you can sit out on your deck with a 770. It is the > first of the TP's for which this is true. I often do so, and I never could > before! To be honest, while I've seen the 770 indoors, I haven't tried it outside, but I don't think even the 770 is good enough for my deck - the sun in Hawaii is mind-bogglingly bright. > I think a big issue is whether you are carrying a machine around with you > all day, say in your briefcase. I don't do that at all, but if I did, > nothing heavier than a Libretto would seem acceptable! My 560 is with me all day, even when I walk to/from work, and is *just* acceptable. The Libretto keyboard is too small, or I'd use one of those instead. Does anyone know when the new HP/Mitsubishi 3 pound mag-alloy laptops will be hitting the stores? - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 16:50:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151131053; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:50:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26343; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:46:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26228; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26211; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17852; Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:44:44 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:44:44 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802092144.AA17852@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Note that once we get to 1280 x 960 screens, things look at lot better, because you can pixel double old 640 x 480 images. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 16:55:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151831348; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:55:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26989; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:51:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26860; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26799; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA23743; Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:50:33 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:50:33 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802092150.AA23743@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Well if you want to have the sun blaring on the screen, that would be uncomfortable, but then sitting in the blaring sun is not my idea of fun either :-) <> You can get the Japanese model today, it will run US systems fine. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 17:01:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152781667; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:01:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27780; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:57:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27660; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27330; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27975; Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:54:47 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:54:47 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802092154.AA27975@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@hsanet.net Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Of course, but it will run fine in 1280 x 960 mode. All notebooks today have a mechnanism for expanding 640 x 480 screens to fill the available real estate, and it is acceptable for games, but not for text. But the pixel doubling will work just fine on a 1280 x 1024 panel. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 17:02:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA152931731; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:02:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27235; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:54:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27112; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from core.hstf.interop.net (core.hstf.interop.net [199.45.11.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27078; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:53:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from nanog-135-31.nanog.ihighway.net (nanog-135-31.ihighway.net [206.29.135.31]) by core.hstf.interop.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05567; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 13:53:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 14:53:41 -0700 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Robert Dewar" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Message-Id: <2272758194.887036021@nanog-135-31.nanog.ihighway.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry Demo (Win32) [1.4.0a1, s/n Evaluation] X-Licensed-To: Unlicensed - for evaluation only Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Heh, heh, heh... Except that a 1280 screen is 1280x1024.... :-| --On Monday, February 09, 1998, 4:44 PM +0000 "Robert Dewar" wrote: > < some of them with their windows upgrades for a combined total of several > thousand $$. This would give me no added functionality, possibly slow > performance and create some backwards compatibility problems. I don't consider > the software broken - but, it necessarily uses bitmapped fonts, and was > written at a time when Hercules Mono was the highest resolution out there. >>> > > Note that once we get to 1280 x 960 screens, things look at lot better, > because you can pixel double old 640 x 480 images. -- Steve Hultquist, Chief Technology Officer HSAnet providing high-speed Internet access Boulder, Colorado mailto:ssh@HSAnet.net +1.303.581.0800 http://www.HSAnet.net/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 17:09:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA154572172; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:09:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28675; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:06:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28534; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28285; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA13420 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28422; Mon, 9 Feb 98 17:02:31 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA00868 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:02:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:02:31 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) In-Reply-To: <199802092019.NAA05852@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Stuart Biggar wrote: > > > I also really welcome a screen that can be used in bright light. The 770 > > > is the first screen that can really be used in bright light successfully > > > (it is MUCH brighter than any previous TP screen). > > > > Still not good enough! Why don't manufacturers make the case backs out of > > clear plastic? Then the backlight can be supplemented by the ambient light, > > and I might finally be able to use a laptop sitting outside on my deck! > > > > - David R. > > I wonder if anyone experimented with one of those ThinkPads > that were made to be used with an overhead projector. Slide > a nice white diffuser in place of the backlight and take it > outside. Would probably work real nice if the diffuser were > facing the sun... While I haven't seen a CV machine, I did used to have an LCD TV with a similar arrangement - active LCD screen with a transparent rear. The cover for the rear (which also held a backlight for use at night) folded out and had a reflective diffusor screen for use in sunlight. The main problem is angle and glare. To direct sunlight through the LCD, you have to hold everything at certain angles. The diffusor screen must be a fold-out type since the sun is often far above the horizon, and most people don't like to work on their backs with the laptop screen above them. Even then you have to combat glare. Sunlight from above is hitting the screen and reflecting to your eyes (and black is never truly black). The light going through the screen is reflected, diffused, then goes through three layers of LCDs. So unless you can get the angles just right, most of the time the light reflecting off the screen is as bright as or brighter than the light going through the screen. If you could make some kind of hood for the screen which blocked light hitting it from the front, that would work too. But then, unless you need really long battery life, why even bother using sunlight as a backlight - juse use the built-in backlight. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 17:15:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA155612516; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:15:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29144; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:11:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29048; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28997; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16363; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:07:59 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22896; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:12:07 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802092212.MAA22896@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 12:12:07 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9802092150.AA23743@nile.gnat.com>; from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 9, 98 4:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Note that once we get to 1280 x 960 screens, things look at lot better, > because you can pixel double old 640 x 480 images. this would be useful, especially if the pixels are small enough so that the resulting characters aren't too chunky (as they are when I stretch 640x480 to full screen on a 800x600 laptop). > Well if you want to have the sun blaring on the screen, that would be > uncomfortable, but then sitting in the blaring sun is not my idea of fun > either :-) When you live in the tropics, you get used to it! Until the 770, the brightest TFT screen I'd ever seen was on the TI Travelmate 60x0 series - this was the dominant reason my wife bought a 6030. In fact, I think the 6030 screen is at most marginally less bright than the 770, though I think at full brightness it is less sharp. When indoors, she cuts the brightness down to about 2/3 maximum - the only laptop I've ever used where dimming was called for! However, even this machine is barely usable on our deck at midday, no matter whether the sun is behind, at the side, or ahead of the user. It would be interesting to try one of the projector-back Thinkpads; I wonder why they haven't extended the idea to the whole line. > < will be hitting the stores? > >> > > You can get the Japanese model today, it will run US systems fine. Hmmm - I'll have to spend a day down in Waikiki this week, to see if any of the Japanese tourists has one I can try:-) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 17:23:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA157813017; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:23:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29924; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:21:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:21:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29846; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:21:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from post6.inre.asu.edu (post6.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29830; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:20:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01ITDPI40GDS94ER3N@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:16:01 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [129.219.129.221]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA09389 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:15:37 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03649; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:15:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 15:15:30 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: Re: introduction to the list and a question about 770/screen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-Id: <9802092215.AA03649@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ><port model.>>> >Note that you can get an internal Zip drive for many thinkpad models Thanks for the info. Now I have a couple of external ones but one is not working OK. I might get the machine with the internal one. Do you have an URL where one can find all the info? I have just joined the list and have not yet read the FAQ. >DO NOT buy a machine unless you have seen the screen yourself, you should >not take anyone else's word for what is or is not acceptable or desirable. I agree completely, and not only about the screen but the weight, how the main piece of software behaves and shows up, etc. I'm hoping that Stuart.Biggar has one of this, I just saw his postings. Or perhaps somebody else from Tucson is on the list? Thanks in advance. JC From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 17:27:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA158623234; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:27:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00564; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:24:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:23:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00287; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00170; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16467; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:20:00 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA22920; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:24:09 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802092224.MAA22920@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) To: kim@mak.com (John Kim) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 12:24:08 HST Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "John Kim" at Feb 9, 98 5:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I wonder if anyone experimented with one of those ThinkPads > > that were made to be used with an overhead projector. Slide > > While I haven't seen a CV machine, I did used to have an LCD TV > with a similar arrangement - active LCD screen with a > transparent rear. [snip] > goes through three layers of LCDs. So unless you can get the > angles just right, most of the time the light reflecting off the > screen is as bright as or brighter than the light going through > the screen. But presumably this TV didn't have a built-in backlight. I'm suggesting a laptop which uses *both* its usual backlight *and* some supplemental ambient or solar light, for example by making the back plastic translucent. Surely this has to be at least as good as the comparable machine without the translucent back! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 18:54:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176188462; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:54:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06509; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:51:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:49:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06246; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from post6.inre.asu.edu (post6.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06093; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:48:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01ITDSRJVHW694ERB3@asu.edu> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:49:08 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [129.219.129.221]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA20301 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:48:46 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11364; Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:48:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:48:37 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: tropical environments To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-Id: <9802092348.AA11364@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Are these warnings about heat really true? How do you even get it out of your house in a brief case if it can't be *stored* at temperatures higher than 95 deg F ? Extracted from IBM's Tips for using your IBM ThinkPad DON' T: ....... * Leave the base of the ThinkPad computer resting directly on your body (e.g., legs or torso) during an extended period of operation. If you allow heat to build up it could cause discomfort or, eventually, a skin burn. ....... * Use or store your computer at temperatures below 5C (41F) or above 35C (95F). ....... For more information, read the [2]Tips for Using Your IBM ThinkPad Comfortably and Safely Information Brief References 1. http://www.pc.ibm.com/cgi-bin/htimage/us/products/thinkpad/hmthnkpd.map 2. http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/infobrf/tphand.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 18:55:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176348521; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:55:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06744; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:53:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:52:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06548; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06520; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29042; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29641; Mon, 9 Feb 98 18:49:53 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id SAA01901; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:49:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:49:55 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) In-Reply-To: <199802092224.MAA22920@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, David Ross wrote: > > > > While I haven't seen a CV machine, I did used to have an LCD TV > > with a similar arrangement - active LCD screen with a > > transparent rear. > [snip] > > goes through three layers of LCDs. So unless you can get the > > angles just right, most of the time the light reflecting off the > > screen is as bright as or brighter than the light going through > > the screen. > > But presumably this TV didn't have a built-in backlight. I'm suggesting > a laptop which uses *both* its usual backlight *and* some supplemental > ambient or solar light, for example by making the back plastic translucent. > Surely this has to be at least as good as the comparable machine without the > translucent back! Actually it did have a backlight. It used a prism and the reflective screen to redirect as much of the light as possible through the screen. Making the back plastic translucent would defeat much of this backlight redirection. There's this annoying quirk of physics where if light can take a path one way, it can just as easily go the other way (i.e. no light "diodes"). So if you make the rear translucent to allow sunlight in, you also allow the backlight light to leak out instead of reflecting off the (closed) screen and brightening your display. I suppose it would still be an improvement, but (backlight+sunlight) < (backlight) + (sunlight) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 18:59:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176948775; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:59:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07385; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:57:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:56:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07189; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smh-mail.smh.com (smh-mail.smh.com [204.5.150.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07160; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:56:44 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ccMail by smh-mail.smh.com (IMA Internet Exchange 3.0 Enterprise Beta 2) id 000631A3; Mon, 9 Feb 98 19:09:39 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:50:01 -0500 Message-Id: <000631A3.eval@smh.com> Subject: New Member To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings, I've finally got around to subscribing to this invaluable list, and I've been asked to introduce myself. Here goes. I've been using notebooks for about four years. Earlier machines include an active matrix Austin 486 and an early Gateway Colorbook. My current notebook is a 560/133/2.1/40Mb/dual scan. I've also got a "mint" 701C DX2/50/720/20Mb (this is my daughter's word processor, game machine and AOL interface (she's thirteen). I loved my 701C but couldn't handle the processor speed: it is slow, especially with Win95 or WinNT loaded. It's a great size, and, if IBM had stayed with a 10.4 inch display in a pentium machine, I bet its successor would be in there at under four pounds. A quality built machine (its got features that IBM abandoned when it went to the 560), my biggest complaint is its keyboard. For me, touch typing meant too many errors. The 560's is "heaven" by comparison. I use my 560 at home and at work. It's on the "network" at the house and on the network at work. Key accessories include a Panasonic 4x pccard cdrom and an IBM 56K modem. I connect to the network via a PC card (fujitsu) or Xircom parallel port unit (this one has NT 4.0 drivers!). When I got the machine I left the preload on a month or so before I reformatted the hard drive, reinstalled OSR2 Win95 on drive C, and Win NT 4.0 on drive D. I'd like to abandon Win95, but that will have to wait for NT 5.0, with (hopefully) better driver support and APM support. Oh, one other thing, the SCSI card that came with the Panasonic CD ROM, it works great for interfacing my scanner, and it's faster than a parallel port unit! That's a start. Regards, Neil From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 19:29:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA182100544; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:29:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08701; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:20:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08606; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08594; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ITDTA5HI9C8WWDBE@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:20:29 MST Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:06:15 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TP701, Audio In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sun, 08 Feb 1998 17:34:44 -0800" <199802090136.RAA23975@stevie.loop.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ITDTUFHPW08WWDBE@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >22kHz is a bit high for a 44.1kHz sampling rate - the high frequency > >limit is one half the sampling rate... > > > I don't quite understand (for a change. ). Could you explain that > again, please? In the world of digital sound recording and transmission there is what's called (I believe) Shannon's law (many years since I was in school) which says the highest frequency that can be digitized is one-half the digital sampling rate. Thus a 44.1kHz sample rate system can only go up to 22.05kHz. Then there are anti-aliasing low-pass filters to enforce this, but they are not perfect so there's some gradual decline in frequency response before hitting the actual cutoff point. Since in this case you are only 50Hz away in practice there will not be much left of your signal after going through this filter. For what it's worth any decent analog tape recorder running at 15 ips (inches per second) or faster would record this quite well. Or if you could sample at 48kHz you might have a chance of getting it that way too. I don't know what software might be available for the Thinkpad at that sample rate though. The next step in commercial systems looks like a 96kHz sample rate - if this eventually finds its way into notebook computers you'd have no trouble at all, but that's probably a year or two away. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 19:39:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA183921183; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:39:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09676; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:36:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09597; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09579; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from tarski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA17434; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:34:26 -1000 Received: by tarski.math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22987; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:38:35 -1000 From: ross@math.hawaii.edu (David Ross) Message-Id: <199802100038.OAA22987@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: tropical environments To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 14:38:35 HST Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "ELIZA" at Feb 9, 98 4:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Are these warnings about heat really true? How do you even get it out of > your house in a brief case if it can't be *stored* at temperatures higher > than 95 deg F ? Fortunately, Hawaii (unlike Arizona) never gets above 95 degrees outside, but my office *does* get up to 100 at times, and I've never had any trouble running machines in this environment. > DON' T: > ....... > * Leave the base of the ThinkPad computer resting directly on your > body (e.g., legs or torso) during an extended period of operation. I agree with this, and strongly recommend the Levenger lap desk (weighs almost nothing, and provides a useful work surface/thermal barrier). > * Use or store your computer at temperatures below 5C (41F) or above > 35C (95F). IBM ran a television advert fairly heavily for a while, in which a TP was used for communication in a sweltering jungle. I wonder if their tech department and advertising department talk? - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 20:02:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187442526; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:02:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11018; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:57:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10891; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10878; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:56:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-7.d.enteract.com (usrx2-7.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.7]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id SAA12092 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:56:54 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:57:10 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34e6a52a.28231144@mail.enteract.com> References: <199802092136.LAA22830@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <199802092136.LAA22830@tarski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 98 11:36:31 HST, you wrote: >Does anyone know when the new HP/Mitsubishi 3 pound mag-alloy laptops >will be hitting the stores? This month's PC Portables doesn't say when it will be released, but they mention that the MSRP will be "under $6000." Even with the nice specs of the system (3.1lbs, 12" TFT, 1GB HDD, 233Mhz MMX w/256k L2 cache, 64MB RAM,) that's a tad pricey. And whose idea was it to call the poor thing the "Pedion?" epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 20:17:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA189643435; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:17:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11889; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:09:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11782; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11751; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-39.d.enteract.com (usrx2-39.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.39]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id TAA14944 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:09:02 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:09:18 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34e7a795.28850050@mail.enteract.com> References: <34DF42DF.62A2@uke.uni-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <34DF42DF.62A2@uke.uni-hamburg.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:54:39 +0100, you wrote: > The 560 is slim, but its >footprint - as well as just about every notebook's out there - is large) >Having said that, the only real solution for a truly portable (remember: >WEIGHT, SIZE, AND BATTERY LIFE) notebook that is available now is the >560X, but as soon as the next generation of Intel "portable" Pentiums >comes along, battery life will be an issue again because of excessive >CPU power demand (or so I hear and read everywhere). >The only way to go for me: Wait with buying a TP 560X until the next >generation has come to market and prices for the 560X have dropped, >hoping that it will not be discontinued too soon. Heresy though it is, I've been really admiring the Sony VAIO line. Almost as light, cheaper, and with a few more features (such as an internal CD-ROM bay that can also add an extra battery). The only negatives are that Sony is still a bit untried (though current users seem happy enough) and the lousy color scheme. I'm also waiting for the 560X to come down, but with the way the Sony line has been dropping in comparison to the 560s, it's pretty damn likely the 719s will drop into my budget range before the 560X. And a lot of the current Sony owners on the laptop group seem to be former 560 owners, in the bargain - so it comes with ready-made kindred spirits! epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 9 20:50:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194955403; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:50:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13566; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:42:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13485; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13471; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:42:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from gte.net (1Cust109.tnt14.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.39.109]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with ESMTP id TAA16300 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:42:10 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34DFABF5.51C99EAA@gte.net> Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:23:01 -0700 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: TP-701 32MB Simm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a brand-new kingston 32MB SO-DIMM forsale that is specifically for the 701 series. Would like around $200 plus shipping ... make me an offer. -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. Engineer/Author/Consultant Applied Info & Mgnt Sys, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 v801-583-8544 mailto:aimsllc@ibm.net mailto:aims@gte.net -------------------------------------------------------- http://home1.gte.net/aims/index.htm -------------------------------------------------------- "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sand- wich, they would both be with us today!" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 00:31:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA230698698; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:31:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23750; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:30:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:29:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23651; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:29:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23602; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA20678; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:26:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802100526.VAA20678@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Robert Dewar" Cc: "jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 21:25:50 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 98 9:52:16 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Different people need different capabilities. I use my TP as a desktop >> replacement, and I am doing large scale software development. > >Whenever these weight vs. performance questions arise, it is good to >remember that different machines are filling different niches. The 770 >is really a lightweight 'luggable', an adequate desktop replacement >with the added benefit of being relatively portable. I have a Micron in >my office that serves this purpose. However, I never travel with the Micron - >too heavy for my taste - and frankly don't even like to hold it on my lap >because of its weight. For me, 4-5 pounds is the outer limit of what I >will carry on trips (and on my lap), which is why I had a 701 and now a 560. > And for those of us who are students, price is an IMPORTANT factor. So we may not even have a wide variety of choices. :( >> I find >> a 1024 xs 768 screen pretty indispensible, and cannot live with 800 x 600. > >Some Windows software (and much of the DOS software I use) won't let you change >the font size; this makes it hard to use at higher resolutions. For this reason >I personally hope that 800x600 or lower res screens stay around for a while. > Can't you just change the res. back to 640*480 or 800*600? And I'm sure you can just create a new font size, and drag it to make it global if it's too small. >> Obviously we all would like it if we could get a notebook that was both >> light and acceptably powerful, but so far we have not had this option. > >Myself, I find almost all the machines on the market today - including >the ultralights - remarkably powerful. Of course, my perspective is twisted >from my days of programming fairly serious apps in less than 4K of RAM. > >Nowadays the software world is riddled with lazy programming and bloated apps, >which is why these really amazingly fast laptops seem so slow. I used to use >one particular data analysis program on my 701, and it was perfectly usable. The >latest version - with very little genuine extra functionality - is painfully >slow on my P133 560. > Don't forget that cache and hard drive speed also make a difference. However, when everyone says that notebooks go slower than desktops, I can imagine this is because of the cache missing, and not a raw speed measurement like Dhrystones (my personal favorite). >> I also really welcome a screen that can be used in bright light. The 770 >> is the first screen that can really be used in bright light successfully >> (it is MUCH brighter than any previous TP screen). > >Still not good enough! Why don't manufacturers make the case backs out of >clear plastic? Then the backlight can be supplemented by the ambient light, >and I might finally be able to use a laptop sitting outside on my deck! > That's not too bad an idea, but I'm sure there's a reason why it has not been implimented yet! -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 32m 35s 437ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 00:37:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA231919023; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:37:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24167; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:34:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:33:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24021; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24009; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA21264; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:31:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802100531.VAA21264@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 21:30:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 98 16:44:44 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><some of them with their windows upgrades for a combined total of several >thousand $$. This would give me no added functionality, possibly slow >performance and create some backwards compatibility problems. I don't consider >the software broken - but, it necessarily uses bitmapped fonts, and was >written at a time when Hercules Mono was the highest resolution out there. >>> > >Note that once we get to 1280 x 960 screens, things look at lot better, >because you can pixel double old 640 x 480 images. > Well, that's quite a big step up. I'm still viewing 640*480 on 12" equivalant screens, INCLUDING the ThinkPad. :( I didn't know they had 1280*960 out for general use yet! -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 37m 9s 937ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 00:38:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232029091; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:38:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24446; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:36:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:35:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24307; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:35:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24285; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA21645; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:34:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802100534.VAA21645@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Robert Dewar" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 21:33:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 98 12:12:07 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Note that once we get to 1280 x 960 screens, things look at lot better, >> because you can pixel double old 640 x 480 images. > >this would be useful, especially if the pixels are small enough so that >the resulting characters aren't too chunky (as they are when I stretch >640x480 to full screen on a 800x600 laptop). > >> Well if you want to have the sun blaring on the screen, that would be >> uncomfortable, but then sitting in the blaring sun is not my idea of fun >> either :-) > >When you live in the tropics, you get used to it! > >Until the 770, the brightest TFT screen I'd ever seen was on the TI Travelmate >60x0 series - this was the dominant reason my wife bought a 6030. In fact, I >think the 6030 screen is at most marginally less bright than the 770, though >I think at full brightness it is less sharp. When indoors, she cuts the >brightness down to about 2/3 maximum - the only laptop I've ever used where >dimming was called for! However, even this machine is barely usable on our >deck at midday, no matter whether the sun is behind, at the side, or ahead >of the user. > >It would be interesting to try one of the projector-back Thinkpads; I wonder >why they haven't extended the idea to the whole line. > Maybe cost and durability? I would imagine that those machines would be more fragile than the regular ThinkPads. >> <> will be hitting the stores? >> >> >> >> You can get the Japanese model today, it will run US systems fine. > >Hmmm - I'll have to spend a day down in Waikiki this week, to see if any >of the Japanese tourists has one I can try:-) > Heh heh heh... -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 40m 9s 929ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 00:42:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA232479358; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:42:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24914; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:41:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:40:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24798; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24756; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22131; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:38:33 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802100538.VAA22131@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "elizaw@aztec.asu.edu" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 21:37:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: tropical environments Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 16:48:37 -0700 (MST), ELIZA wrote: > > >Are these warnings about heat really true? How do you even get it out o= f >your house in a brief case if it can't be *stored* at temperatures high= er >than 95 deg F ? > >Extracted from IBM's Tips for using your IBM ThinkPad > >DON' T: >....... > * Leave the base of the ThinkPad computer resting directly on = your > body (e.g., legs or torso) during an extended period of oper= ation. > If you allow heat to build up it could cause discomfort or, > eventually, a skin burn. >....... My ThinkPad 701 has got VERY HOT while charging the battery in some instances, but it never burned me. > * Use or store your computer at temperatures below 5C (41F) or= above > 35C (95F). Hmmm... I took my ThinkPad with me to Yosemite last year on a school tri= p, and temperatures went down to 25-40=F8F, and I never had any problems with i= t, even in my room (the heater took about a day to start working. ). -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 44m 10s 351ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 01:26:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238431968; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:26:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19968; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:17:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19641; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:17:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19619; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from roosgroup.win.net (usr-tc-02-204.win.net [208.11.197.204]) by ns1.win.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA01460 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:16:09 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD35B0.B4887580.droos@RoosGroup.com> From: David Roos To: "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: TP 760XD Questions Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:15:49 -0500 Organization: The Roos Group X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello I just bought a used TP760XD and recently joined the list. I have a few questions: Does anyone know what software came with this computer besides Windows & MS Office? I didn't get anything besides what was on the hard drive. Can I get replacement Trackpoint caps from anyplace besides IBM? I hate to pay a lot for a little piece of rubber. Did the external diskette case come with this model or was it an option? Did any cables come standard except for the power supply? Did a case come with it? After I bought it I began to wonder. Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 01:28:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238592097; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:28:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20104; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:20:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19876; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19852; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.65.147.185]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAE22381 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 04:19:37 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: IBM ThinkPad support experience Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:22:55 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980210041925.AAE22381@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu We'll group, I have just had a long but fruitful experience with the IBM ThinkPad technical support people. I recently bought an IBM PCMCIA 33.6 modem thinking that it might install with a lesser likelihood of problems in my 701. No such luck; the Win95 Plug and Pray monster struck again and I was left with neither modem working. So I called the tech support for the IBM Communications group, but in the process of working out the problem got cut off and routed to the ThinkPad group who was unable to route me back due to the fact that the Com Group was closed. I explained the situation to the tech person and he said that he would do his best despite the fact that he was not a specialist in the area. To make a longer story shorter; he managed to help me work through the various com port and IRQ conflicts until we got the modem up. After dealing with 5 different tech support departments of major computer companies in the last two months, I now understand why some people swear by IBM and are willing to pay a little more to have the Big Blue backing. Now if I could only get Win95 to quit allocating resources to the disabled internal modem and allow me to restore the IR port, my world will just be red as roses. Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 01:58:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA241893908; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:58:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28059; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:55:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27945; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27933; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [146.151.49.35] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id AAA30168 (8.8.6/50); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:55:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199802100655.AAA30168@mail1.doit.wisc.edu> X-Sender: whsiao@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Demo Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:54:49 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Weber Hsiao Subject: TP 770 and Memory problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I am a newbie to this list so bear with me if this question has been brought up before. I am a proud new owner of the TP 770. I have installed a SONY digital camera utility program (for the DSC-F1) on my machine running WIN95. When I shut down the program and hit the START botton I get an error measage (white screen versus blue screen). The utility program runs fine on my Gateway 2K 486 and P90 machines. I also runs fine on my Dell P133. I posted this question on a digital camera list. Someone responded that this sound likes a GPF, memory conflict. She wrote that this maybe caused by a "long EMM statement" that IBM wrote trying to squeeze "more horsepower" out of the TP. I called the IBM TP support. The tech said that WIN95 does not use EMM statements. He had me check my memory physically - it passed. His said it might be the fact that the utility is not unloading correctly (either a problem with SONY's program or WIN95). I am not completely satisfied with the tech's answer. I will try SONY and Microsoft, however, based on my experience with the other machines (all of which are inferior in terms of processors speed, RAM, etc...) it seems like an IBM problem. So, if anyone has any suggestions please reply - I would like to get this fixed considering I paid big bucks of my TP 770 (a great machine, nevertheless, and great tech support). I quess I could try installing a MS version of WIN95 to see if its IBM's fault. Or if someone is willing to download to the utility for SONY's site (http://www.ita.sel.com/support/imaging/softwareupdates.html) unto their machine and see if this problem exists on their machine (its easy to install and uninstall) that would be great and much appreciated. -Thanks in advance -WH Weber Hsiao University of Wisconsin-Madison 1510 Tripp Circle 206 VI Tripp Hall Madison, WI 53706-1294 ph/fax: (608)264-1054 Bleecker Laboratory ph: (608)262-4008 http://www.wisc.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 02:08:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245094482; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:08:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22226; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:04:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22022; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22009; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from tnote (slip129-37-216-115.co.us.ibm.net [129.37.216.115]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id FAA30134; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 05:03:39 GMT Message-Id: <199802100503.FAA30134@out2.ibm.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "David Roos" , "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 02:00:04 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 760XD Questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 760XD comes with the external floppy case, a 8X cdrom drive, CD with the preload, cables for video and audio input. Did you buy this used? On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 23:15:49 -0500, David Roos wrote: >Hello I just bought a used TP760XD and recently joined the list. I have a >few questions: > >Does anyone know what software came with this computer besides Windows & MS >Office? I didn't get anything besides what was on the hard drive. > >Can I get replacement Trackpoint caps from anyplace besides IBM? I hate to >pay a lot for a little piece of rubber. > >Did the external diskette case come with this model or was it an option? > >Did any cables come standard except for the power supply? > >Did a case come with it? > >After I bought it I began to wonder. > >Thanks > --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 02:10:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA245404629; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:10:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21964; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:03:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:02:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21825; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21811; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27809; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 20:59:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802100459.UAA27809@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "szivos@ibm.net" Cc: "egiles@netpathway.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 07:07:30 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 98 07:19:34 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><There is no help, just Ctrl+Alt+Del. >>> > >Actually that's very encouraging, because it means it is NOT a problem >in my particular machine. So now it is worth pursuing IBM on the problem >(did you do so yet). > Hmmm, I had a similiar problem on my ThinkPad 701CS, also with Warp 4, until I reinstalled the video drivers. Only a C-A-D would work for me, too. :( -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 15h 16m 54s 0ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 02:25:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA247195509; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:25:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28961; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:22:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28828; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28816; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 02:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ITE7DD1M5C8WWJQV@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:22:04 MST Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:58:53 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TP701, Audio In-Reply-To: "Message dated Mon, 09 Feb 1998 21:59:15 -0800" <199802100600.WAA24997@stevie.loop.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ITE8L3X4NW8WWJQV@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm just trying to record a train passing by for a small project, > so if I choose 22KHz, is that the sample rate, or the other rate? That'd be the sample rate (1/2 of 44, then 11 is 1/2 of that..) so your high frequency response would be limited to half of that or 11kHz. > Or do you think 11KHz might work fine as well? This is something best determined by trying it - the fewer samples per second the less disk space is used, at the cost of the sound getting somewhat muffled. I think you'll be happier with a 22kHz sample rate though. I think what'd really be helpful is a sound recording program that can trigger the start of a recording based on a preset level of sound. That way you don't use any disk space until there is some- thing to actually record. I use this sort of thing in my work but unfortunately that's under OS9 on Motorola CPUs - there must be something for the PC that'd work on a Thinkpad though. If nothing else you could ask in the rec.audio.pro newsgroup... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 03:44:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA256660244; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:44:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03279; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:39:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03134; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:39:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03122; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 03:39:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA20090; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:37:25 -1000 From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: New HP/Mitsu sunnote (was: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut)) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:39:40 -1000 Message-Id: <01bd35ff$6d9ed3e0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu epbrown wrote: > This month's PC Portables doesn't say when it will be released, but >they mention that the MSRP will be "under $6000." Even with the nice >specs of the system (3.1lbs, 12" TFT, 1GB HDD, 233Mhz MMX w/256k L2 >cache, 64MB RAM,) that's a tad pricey. I'll bet the price drops and HD gets bigger very quickly - HP has a good track record of big price/performance drops. >And whose idea was it to call >the poor thing the "Pedion?" The same people who came up with Starion as a car name! Seriously, this is a problem when tech corporations don't hire humanities majors; they forget that words like 'pedion' might have meanings in, say, ancient Greek - or maybe HP really did mean for the new machine to be the "HP-Mitsubishi _Dirt_"! - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 07:18:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA279543135; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:18:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00401; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:23:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:21:52 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29970; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29955; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17472; Mon, 9 Feb 98 17:20:37 EST Date: Mon, 9 Feb 98 17:20:37 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802092220.AA17472@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> You cannot stretch pixels, you can only duplicate them. The reason things look chunky when you stretch 640 x 480 to 800 x 600 is that not all pixels are doubled, so you get nasty distortion. Doubling pixels has exactly the same effect as adusting a CRT to take a lower res image, and will look just fine (you may even find software that does line doubling, so that the image is even better than otherwise, line doubling is very effective for laser disks etc, no reason why it could not be used in this context). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 07:33:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA281234012; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:33:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21135; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:30:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20994; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:30:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20976; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA21565; Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:28:55 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:28:55 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802101228.AA21565@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> This is a common misconception, so worth addressing. Unlike a multi-scan CRT, where the resolution can be effectively changed, the pixels on an LCD screen are fixed in size and position. If you have a 768 x 1024 screen, then that determines the size and position of all pixels. There are only two ways to display a 640 x 480 image on such a screen 1. Display it small in the middle of the panel, but this obviously does not help the font problem. 2. Stretch the image by duplicating pixels. This function is available in many notebooks, but it does not work well for text. That's because unless you can actually double every pixel, you get an uneven effect >from expanding some pixels and not others. As for changing the font size, read the original message, the author was talking about cases of old DOS software etc which determines its own fonts. Only newer software that goes through a logical OS layer providing font facilities will be sensitive to changing the font size. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 07:53:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA283195186; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:53:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22272; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:49:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22113; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22101; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:49:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.51]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA8478; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:48:58 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980210074613.00a0bde0@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: jloyles@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:46:13 -0500 To: David Roos , "'thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU'" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 760XD Questions In-Reply-To: <01BD35B0.B4887580.droos@RoosGroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:15 PM 2/9/98 -0500, David Roos wrote: >Does anyone know what software came with this computer besides Windows & MS >Office? I didn't get anything besides what was on the hard drive. >Did the external diskette case come with this model or was it an option? >Did any cables come standard except for the power supply? >Did a case come with it? http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/thinkpad/551e_666.html >Can I get replacement Trackpoint caps from anyplace besides IBM? I hate to >pay a lot for a little piece of rubber. > It was $5 for 3 of them with no shipping from the Boulder Parts Center. Has the price gone up? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 07:58:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA284095515; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:58:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22548; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:54:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22431; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22418; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA03442; Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:54:04 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:54:04 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802101254.AA03442@nile.gnat.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, huebler@ibm.net Subject: Re: introduction Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> More significantly these days, make sure that your modem can be easily upgraded to support the new common standard, both x2 and K56 flex are obsolescent these days and will disappear completely by the end of the year. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 08:06:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA284556012; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:06:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21444; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:31:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21179; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:31:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21125; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22469; Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:29:57 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:29:57 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802101229.AA22469@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> No one said they did, at least not in this interchnage, and if they did say it, it would be false! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 09:43:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA297621818; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:43:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27073; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:41:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:39:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26918; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26864; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ip-pdx18-01.teleport.com (ip-pdx06-16.teleport.com [206.163.123.177]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA14631; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:39:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:39:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802101439.GAA14631@smtp3.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: epbrown@enteract.com From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Notebooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Before I would buy into another line the ergonomics would have to be equal to the TP -as would the reliability and service. Sounds like the new TPs are going to be hard to beat. 770 and 560X both. I love my Sony video but their laptop keyboard (that I tried) sucked....I'll take quality feel and the TrackPoint anytime as it now stands. I'd prefer lighter, comfortable, fast and bright....not to mention capable but its all about trade off$. I also still like the size and feel of my 701...wish the upgrade results had been dramatic. Bryan At 01:09 AM 2/10/98 GMT, you wrote: >On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 18:54:39 +0100, you wrote: > >> The 560 is slim, but its >>footprint - as well as just about every notebook's out there - is large) >>Having said that, the only real solution for a truly portable (remember: >>WEIGHT, SIZE, AND BATTERY LIFE) notebook that is available now is the >>560X, but as soon as the next generation of Intel "portable" Pentiums >>comes along, battery life will be an issue again because of excessive >>CPU power demand (or so I hear and read everywhere). >>The only way to go for me: Wait with buying a TP 560X until the next >>generation has come to market and prices for the 560X have dropped, >>hoping that it will not be discontinued too soon. > Heresy though it is, I've been really admiring the Sony VAIO line. >Almost as light, cheaper, and with a few more features (such as an >internal CD-ROM bay that can also add an extra battery). The only >negatives are that Sony is still a bit untried (though current users >seem happy enough) and the lousy color scheme. I'm also waiting for >the 560X to come down, but with the way the Sony line has been >dropping in comparison to the 560s, it's pretty damn likely the 719s >will drop into my budget range before the 560X. And a lot of the >current Sony owners on the laptop group seem to be former 560 owners, >in the bargain - so it comes with ready-made kindred spirits! > epbrown > >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, >editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown >Laptops: IBM Thinkpad 560 and 510Cs > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 09:48:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA298312095; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:48:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27774; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:46:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27611; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:46:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27574; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:45:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA18096; Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:44:50 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:44:50 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802101444.AA18096@nile.gnat.com> To: allied@teleport.com, epbrown@enteract.com Subject: Re: Notebooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu << I love my Sony video but their laptop keyboard (that I tried) sucked....I'll take quality feel and the TrackPoint anytime as it now stands. I'd prefer lighter, comfortable, fast and bright....not to mention capable but its all about trade off$. I also still like the size and feel of my 701...wish the upgrade results had been dramatic. >> You could certainly not expect the upgrade results to be more than you saw. Fast machines are more than a slightly faster clock speed in the processor! Here is an idea, wouldn't it be nice if IBM would use its folding keyboard technology from the 701 on a full size notebook, then they could make a full sized keyboard with separate numeric pad and cursor cluster ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 10:04:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA001533063; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:04:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28981; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28878; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28832; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgymscoc01_1.calkwdc.shl.com ([159.249.92.2]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA22324 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:33:15 -0600 Received: by cgymscoc01_1.calkwdc.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD35F9.92D2A890@cgymscoc01_1.calkwdc.shl.com>; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:57:46 -0700 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: David Ross , Robert Dewar , Paul Khoury Cc: "jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:05:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 42 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In win95, & I believe other OSs, the font chosen for display purposes for a DOS box can easily be chosen, either on the properties sheet, or a button on the window So you can choose a teeny 5x7 pixels or huge 16x18 pixels. So you often can make the characters larger, even if you're still restricted to 24x80 [lines by characters]. Often DOS programs can detect larger logical screens, e.g. 50x80, 60x132, or can be set to format their character displays that way (e.g. Newviews, Framework, Magellan) Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect (+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182 :ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI Company *50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: Paul Khoury[SMTP:pkhoury@loop.com] >Sent: 1998 February 10 - Tuesday 00:25 >To: David Ross; Robert Dewar >Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) > >On Mon, 9 Feb 98 9:52:16 HST, David Ross wrote: > >>> I find >>> a 1024 xs 768 screen pretty indispensible, and cannot live with 800 x 600. >> >>Some Windows software (and much of the DOS software I use) won't let you >>change >>the font size; this makes it hard to use at higher resolutions. For this >>reason >>I personally hope that 800x600 or lower res screens stay around for a while. >> >Can't you just change the res. back to 640*480 or 800*600? And I'm sure you >can just >create a new font size, and drag it to make it global if it's too small. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 12:06:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA023810383; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:06:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05463; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:59:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05329; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05220; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA03265; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:55:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06939; Tue, 10 Feb 98 11:56:12 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA08832; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:56:19 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:56:18 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701, Audio In-Reply-To: <199802100600.WAA24997@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:06:15 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > >> >22kHz is a bit high for a 44.1kHz sampling rate - the high frequency > >> >limit is one half the sampling rate... > >> > > >> I don't quite understand (for a change. ). Could you explain that > >> again, please? > > > >In the world of digital sound recording and transmission there is > >what's called (I believe) Shannon's law (many years since I was in I always thought it was Nyquist's theorem. Shannon is usually more associated with coding information inside a signal. > >school) which says the highest frequency that can be digitized is > >one-half the digital sampling rate. Thus a 44.1kHz sample rate > >system can only go up to 22.05kHz. Then there are anti-aliasing > >low-pass filters to enforce this, but they are not perfect so there's > >some gradual decline in frequency response before hitting the actual > >cutoff point. Since in this case you are only 50Hz away in practice > >there will not be much left of your signal after going through this > >filter. > > > >For what it's worth any decent analog tape recorder running at > >15 ips (inches per second) or faster would record this quite well. > >Or if you could sample at 48kHz you might have a chance of getting > >it that way too. I don't know what software might be available > >for the Thinkpad at that sample rate though. I believe the default DOS audio software that came with the 701 is capable of 48kHz. It's been ages since I booted to DOS so I could be wrong. > >The next step in commercial systems looks like a 96kHz sample > >rate - if this eventually finds its way into notebook computers > >you'd have no trouble at all, but that's probably a year or > >two away. > > I'm just trying to record a train passing by for a small project, > so if I choose 22KHz, is that the sample rate, or the other rate? > > Or do you think 11KHz might work fine as well? That depends on what you want to record. If it's just an audio effect or looking at a doppler shift, 22kHz (44kHz sampling rate) is above the hearing range for most people (depending on age and gender, most people limit out at around 14kHz to 20kHz). If you've never heard a 16-20kHz sound, it is *very* high pitched. 22kHz sampling should be fine. You may even be able to get away with 11kHz (depending on if you're listening for the whistle or the engine roar). OTOH, if you want to do a sophisticated analysis of the sound of a train passing, you're going to need the higher frequencies a 44, 48, or 96kHZ sampling rate will provide. The fundamental tone of any sound (e.g. a whistle) is its lowest frequency. All the harmonics and overtones that give each different sound its individual character are higher in frequency, often several octaves (one octave is twice the frequency). Also oversampling makes it easier to run a Fourier transform (to get it into frequency space so you can tell which "notes" make up the whole thing). Boy does this bring back memories... :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 12:12:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025420767; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:12:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26224; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:05:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:03:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25946; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:03:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25912; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:03:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25168; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:01:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802100601.WAA25168@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ELIZA" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 22:00:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: tropical environments Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 9 Feb 98 14:38:35 HST, David Ross wrote: >> Are these warnings about heat really true? How do you even get it out of >> your house in a brief case if it can't be *stored* at temperatures higher >> than 95 deg F ? > >Fortunately, Hawaii (unlike Arizona) never gets above 95 degrees outside, but >my office *does* get up to 100 at times, and I've never had any trouble running >machines in this environment. > >> DON' T: >> ....... >> * Leave the base of the ThinkPad computer resting directly on your >> body (e.g., legs or torso) during an extended period of operation. > >I agree with this, and strongly recommend the Levenger lap desk (weighs almost nothing, >and provides a useful work surface/thermal barrier). > >> * Use or store your computer at temperatures below 5C (41F) or above >> 35C (95F). > >IBM ran a television advert fairly heavily for a while, in which a TP was used for >communication in a sweltering jungle. I wonder if their tech department and >advertising department talk? > Knowing IBM, I seriously doubt it. That's one of the problems with IBM. Interestingly, some of their advertisments are good, but overall, they need a new advertising department. -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 7m 35s 468ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 12:14:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA025680887; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:14:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26204; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:04:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:02:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25881; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:02:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25818; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:01:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts09.loop.net (p05.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.50]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24997; Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:00:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802100600.WAA24997@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "billy@MIX.COM" Date: Mon, 09 Feb 98 21:59:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701, Audio Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:06:15 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> >22kHz is a bit high for a 44.1kHz sampling rate - the high frequency >> >limit is one half the sampling rate... >> > >> I don't quite understand (for a change. ). Could you explain that >> again, please? > >In the world of digital sound recording and transmission there is >what's called (I believe) Shannon's law (many years since I was in >school) which says the highest frequency that can be digitized is >one-half the digital sampling rate. Thus a 44.1kHz sample rate >system can only go up to 22.05kHz. Then there are anti-aliasing >low-pass filters to enforce this, but they are not perfect so there's >some gradual decline in frequency response before hitting the actual >cutoff point. Since in this case you are only 50Hz away in practice >there will not be much left of your signal after going through this >filter. > >For what it's worth any decent analog tape recorder running at >15 ips (inches per second) or faster would record this quite well. >Or if you could sample at 48kHz you might have a chance of getting >it that way too. I don't know what software might be available >for the Thinkpad at that sample rate though. > >The next step in commercial systems looks like a 96kHz sample >rate - if this eventually finds its way into notebook computers >you'd have no trouble at all, but that's probably a year or >two away. > I'm just trying to record a train passing by for a small project, so if I choose 22KHz, is that the sample rate, or the other rate? Or do you think 11KHz might work fine as well? -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (if you can't get to the website, then I'm not online) To request a list of available docuements, reply with DOCUMENTS in the subject line. Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 6m 0s 421ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 14:03:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048327414; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:03:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14317; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:55:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13794; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13760; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00776; Tue, 10 Feb 98 13:54:33 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 13:54:33 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802101854.AA00776@nile.gnat.com> To: allied@teleport.com, dewar@gnat.com, epbrown@enteract.com, lmills@socket.net Subject: RE: Notebooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Easy to answer, the form factor of the 701 allows only a 10.4" TFT, and it became clear that the market wants larger screens. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 14:08:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA048877696; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:08:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14312; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:55:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13778; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13758; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00763; Tue, 10 Feb 98 13:53:57 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 13:53:57 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802101853.AA00763@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu, ttrottier@shl.com Subject: RE: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> But that is only for programs that use DOS services to write their text. There were many early word processors for DOS for example that did their own font definitions and output. it is programs like this that cause trouble (note that the original message mentioned the Hercules, and there were indeed a number of programs which used fonts specifically designed for the Hercules card). These are programs that as far as the OS is concerned are running in graphics mode. The specificatoin of fonts for a DOS window affects only fonts displayed in text mode. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 15:49:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA066843781; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:49:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22586; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:45:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:41:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21852; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:41:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21814; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.51] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for id ; Tue, 10 Feb 98 14:41:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:40:54 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: RE: Notebooks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Tue, 10 Feb 98 13:54:33 EST  <>   Easy to answer, the form factor of the 701 allows only a 10.4" TFT, and  it became clear that the market wants larger screens. I think what he means is why not use the expanding keyboard technology to provide an integrated full size keyboard with separate numeric keypad in a larger form factor. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 02/10/98, 14:40:50 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 15:54:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA067634049; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:54:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23132; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:51:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23034; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23008; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-126-233.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.126.233]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id UAA83238; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:50:31 GMT Message-Id: <34E0BD84.9DB4B1F2@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:50:13 -0500 From: Wyn Achenbaum Reply-To: wyn@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Listserv Cc: Joe Achenbaum Subject: Traveling overseas with TP560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Friends, My family is traveling to Paris & London in a couple of months, and we're planning to take our two TP560's. What considerations are there for power converters, recharging batteries, etc? (We'll take a floppy drive, and the modem card I suppose, but not much else in the way of peripherals.) What else do we need to take? Is there any kind of converter required for the modem connection? I know hotel phones are quite expensive; where else might we be able to use a phone line to send & download e-mail (Admiral's Club at the airports comes to mind, where else?) AdThanks!vance Wyn From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 16:04:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA069854661; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:04:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23860; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:57:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23725; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23690; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05534; Tue, 10 Feb 98 15:56:34 EST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 15:56:34 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802102056.AA05534@nile.gnat.com> To: mdavis1@airmail.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Notebooks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> That was the suggestion that *I* just made, I think you lost track of who said what :-) :-) Yes, I think that's a good idea, which is why I made it. But I was answering his question of why IBM dropped the technology. Originally the big value of the 701 was the very small form factor, but after a while that was no longer a marketing advantage if it meant being stuck with a small screen. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 16:04:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA070004682; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:04:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24277; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:00:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24013; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from scctel.com ([207.198.37.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23967; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:00:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p166 ([207.198.37.75]) by scctel.com with SMTP (IPAD 2.0/64) id 0721600 ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:58:45 -0500 From: dwormuth@scctel.com (David W. Wormuth MD MPH) Reply-To: wormuthd@hscsyr.edu Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 15:57:31 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery for 360cse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Message-Id: <199802102058.0721600@scctel.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My battery for my 360cse no longer seems to hold a charge. Does anyone know if there is a way to rejuvinate it? What about inexpensive replacements? 800-Batteries wanted $180 which is way to much right now. Thanks ------- David W. Wormuth, MD, MPH O Department of Surgery /=== SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse //\/ 750 East Adams Street =========/========= Syracuse, NY 13210 ~~~~~~~~~~/ ~~~~~~~~~~ e: wormuthd@hscsyr.edu ~~~~ Beeper: 315-424-4859 FAX: 315-464-6250 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 16:45:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA077037118; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:45:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26906; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:35:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26761; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26723; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:35:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA24055; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:32:54 -1000 From: "David Ross" To: , "Thinkpad Listserv" Cc: "Joe Achenbaum" Subject: Re: Traveling overseas with TP560 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:35:08 -1000 Message-Id: <01bd366b$c2909de0$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >My family is traveling to Paris & London in a couple of months, and >we're planning to take our two TP560's. What considerations are there >for power converters, recharging batteries, etc? Your adapter will work fine on 240/50 current, but you'll need plug converters because the UK and French wall sockets are shaped differently than those in the US. (Question for European listers: is there a common plug/socket specification part of the European Union?) You can buy fairly universal kits for $10-$20 at drugstores, department stores, radio shacks, etc here, or you can wait until you're there. BTW, when I misplaced my converter last time I was in England I just used recharged the machine in the bathroom; UK shaver outlets have US-spec sockets. For your modem you'll need a different plug converter, and you'll need to tell the modem not to try to recognize dial tones/rings/busy signals etc (unless you have something like the IBM 'International' modem.) > I know hotel phones are >quite expensive; where else might we be able to use a phone line to send >& download e-mail (Admiral's Club at the airports comes to mind, where >else?) Cybercafes are reasonably common and cheap in cities in England and Scotland. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 17:35:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA084840152; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:35:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00821; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:31:18 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00731; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:31:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00717; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:31:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09139 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:34:22 +0200 (EET) Message-Id: <199802102234.AAA09139@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 00:30:55 +0200 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01bd366b$c2909de0$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Traveling overseas with TP560 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 at 11:35 AM you, "David Ross" , said: >Your adapter will work fine on 240/50 current, but you'll need plug >converters because the UK and French wall sockets are shaped differently >than those in the US. (Question for European listers: is there a common >plug/socket specification part of the European Union?) You can buy >fairly universal kits for $10-$20 at drugstores, department stores, radio >shacks, etc here, or you can wait until you're there. No, almost every single country in Europe has their own plug/socket implementation (you have to keep all those national bureaucrats busy setting their own standards). In France you may even find two different ones: old and new. Even in the Nordic countries (which are otherwise among the most advanced in the telecommunication field) the standards are different. However, many hotels (especially the newer ones) have phones with a detachable cord and a US-style jack, in which case you only need to unplug the cord from the phone and connect it to your modem. Cheaper and older hotels usually have a fixed cord. I have even seen hotels where the cord is nailed into the wall right next to the socket so you won't even try to unplug it (assumably for fear the whole phone would be stolen ...). It's probably a good idea to buy the universal kits at home or at the airport beforehand. Some large ISPs have global agreements with foreign ISPs that let you dial to a local number wherever you are (international calls are significantly more expensive in Europe and hotels usually transform them into true rip-offs). Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 18:17:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091532631; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:17:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03422; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03173; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03161; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:11:22 -0500 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD364E.9E6E4E20@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:32 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD364E.9E6E4E20@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Euro-Plugs; was RE: Traveling overseas with TP560 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:06:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, >Your adapter will work fine on 240/50 current, but you'll need plug >converters because the UK and French wall sockets are shaped differently than >those in the US. (Question for European listers: is there a common >plug/socket specification part of the European Union?) You can buy fairly Sort of. There is a so-called Euro-Socket for two-prong plugs, and a variety of standards for grounded outlets. For ungrounded (2 prong) you should be fine everywhere. Shavers use those and, for instance, portable boom-boxes. For grounded connections, most of continental western Europe has compatible systems. For example the power cables that go into the back of desktop computers should be interchangeable. Except the UK, and you mentioned London. The outlets there require plugs that make most Thinkpad power supplies look small and have a built in fuse. The outlets will not let the plug in unless the ground plug is inserted first. My sister used to stick the handle of a (yes, metal) fork into the ground socket of the outlet to get the german style plugs in, and then take out the fork. Sort of defeats the safety that the UK wants, sticking metal objects into the outlet, doesn't it? Anyway, the hassle of that makes me mad that my 2-prong TP701 supply was replaced by a grounded TP501-supply that's a lot harder to find sockets for. My last summer home had no grounded outlets at all (don't ask...), and some cheap hotels just give you one outlet for the shaver in the bathroom... >universal kits for $10-$20 at drugstores, department stores, radio shacks, >etc here, or you can wait until you're there. be careful with the power converters, though. if your supply takes 220-250V, do it, because most of the cheap converters give out nasty current spikes. I fried my zip-drive's power supply in Germany that way. 5 Megs before the really important data was transferred ;( >BTW, when I misplaced my converter last time I was in England I just used >recharged the machine in the bathroom; UK shaver outlets have US-spec >sockets. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 18:30:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA093703420; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:30:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04586; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:27:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04465; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from scctel.com ([207.198.37.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04453; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from p166 ([207.198.37.51]) by scctel.com with SMTP (IPAD 2.0/64) id 0750700 ; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 18:26:27 -0500 From: dwormuth@scctel.com (David W. Wormuth MD MPH) Reply-To: wormuthd@hscsyr.edu Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 16:36:05 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hibernating a 360cse with PC Cards in place Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Message-Id: <199802102326.0750700@scctel.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is it possible to get a 360cse to hibernate with active PC Cards under OS/2 v3.0 with Fixpak 32? I'm getting tired of all this shutting down and rebooting. ------- David W. Wormuth, MD, MPH O Department of Surgery /=== SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse //\/ 750 East Adams Street =========/========= Syracuse, NY 13210 ~~~~~~~~~~/ ~~~~~~~~~~ e: wormuthd@hscsyr.edu ~~~~ Beeper: 315-424-4859 FAX: 315-464-6250 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 19:45:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA105347935; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:45:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08465; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:42:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08323; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:41:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08310; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:41:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01ITF7QMBR8W8WWMRP@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:41:44 MST Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:19:53 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Traveling overseas with TP560 In-Reply-To: "Message dated Wed, 11 Feb 1998 00:30:55 +0200" <199802102234.AAA09139@lohi.clinet.fi> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01ITF8W3OLCS8WWMRP@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII References: <01bd366b$c2909de0$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Some large ISPs have global agreements with foreign ISPs that let you dial > to a local number wherever you are (international calls are significantly > more expensive in Europe and hotels usually transform them into true > rip-offs). There's a new company offering this sort of service - check out www.ipass.com - where various ISPs in various places offer their facilities to roaming users. You can only get this from those ISPs that are already participating but they are signing more of them up right now. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 10 20:09:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA108019373; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:09:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09732; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:07:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:05:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09546; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:05:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09516; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 20:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA25856; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:02:19 -1000 From: "David Ross" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "Thinkpad Listserv" Subject: Re: Euro-Plugs; was RE: Traveling overseas with TP560 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:04:33 -1000 Message-Id: <01bd3689$03bd50c0$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Axel Hartmann wrote: >computers should be interchangeable. Except the UK, and you mentioned >London. The outlets there require plugs that make most Thinkpad power supplies >look small and have a built in fuse. This reminds me - if you buy a plug shape converter over here (US) for use in the UK, it will *not* be fused, and will work well. If you buy a converter in England, it will almost surely be the fuse kind, and will often be sold sans fuse. (This really had me stumped when I moved to England some years back.) Just a warning, in case the original poster decides to keep flight travel weight down by not buying one of the elephantine UK adapters until getting there. >be careful with the power converters, though. The poster should *not* buy a power converter; the stock 560 brick handles the Eurocurrent well (though I wonder if the higher current would decrease the long-term life span of a US-spec power brick). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 01:27:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156748442; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:27:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21432; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21274; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21120; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts06.loop.net (p02.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.197]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04095; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:19:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110619.WAA04095@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Kim" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:18:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701, Audio Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:56:18 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >> On Mon, 09 Feb 1998 17:06:15 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> >> >> >22kHz is a bit high for a 44.1kHz sampling rate - the high frequency >> >> >limit is one half the sampling rate... >> >> > >> >> I don't quite understand (for a change. ). Could you explain that >> >> again, please? >> > >> >In the world of digital sound recording and transmission there is >> >what's called (I believe) Shannon's law (many years since I was in > >I always thought it was Nyquist's theorem. Shannon is usually >more associated with coding information inside a signal. > >> >school) which says the highest frequency that can be digitized is >> >one-half the digital sampling rate. Thus a 44.1kHz sample rate >> >system can only go up to 22.05kHz. Then there are anti-aliasing >> >low-pass filters to enforce this, but they are not perfect so there's >> >some gradual decline in frequency response before hitting the actual >> >cutoff point. Since in this case you are only 50Hz away in practice >> >there will not be much left of your signal after going through this >> >filter. >> > >> >For what it's worth any decent analog tape recorder running at >> >15 ips (inches per second) or faster would record this quite well. >> >Or if you could sample at 48kHz you might have a chance of getting >> >it that way too. I don't know what software might be available >> >for the Thinkpad at that sample rate though. > >I believe the default DOS audio software that came with the 701 >is capable of 48kHz. It's been ages since I booted to DOS so I >could be wrong. > Same here. I'm only using OS/2, so that's currently my only option for recording. >> >The next step in commercial systems looks like a 96kHz sample >> >rate - if this eventually finds its way into notebook computers >> >you'd have no trouble at all, but that's probably a year or >> >two away. >> >> I'm just trying to record a train passing by for a small project, >> so if I choose 22KHz, is that the sample rate, or the other rate? >> >> Or do you think 11KHz might work fine as well? > >That depends on what you want to record. If it's just an audio >effect or looking at a doppler shift, 22kHz (44kHz sampling >rate) is above the hearing range for most people (depending on >age and gender, most people limit out at around 14kHz to 20kHz). >If you've never heard a 16-20kHz sound, it is *very* high >pitched. 22kHz sampling should be fine. You may even be able >to get away with 11kHz (depending on if you're listening for the >whistle or the engine roar). > >OTOH, if you want to do a sophisticated analysis of the sound of >a train passing, you're going to need the higher frequencies a >44, 48, or 96kHZ sampling rate will provide. The fundamental >tone of any sound (e.g. a whistle) is its lowest frequency. All >the harmonics and overtones that give each different sound its >individual character are higher in frequency, often several >octaves (one octave is twice the frequency). Also oversampling >makes it easier to run a Fourier transform (to get it into >frequency space so you can tell which "notes" make up the whole >thing). > >Boy does this bring back memories... :-) Just wondering, what do you do for a living? This is getting quite interesting. :) (Of course, I'm only 18, so I have a long ways to go to get MORE knowledge :) ). And the project is mainly to get a sound for an alarm clock I'd like to program (as soon as I figgure out how to program in C). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 35m 54s 640ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 01:28:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA156908491; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:28:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21452; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21258; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:23:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21161; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 01:21:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts06.loop.net (p02.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.197]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA03950; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:17:35 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110617.WAA03950@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Robert Dewar" , "TROTTIER Tom" Cc: "jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:15:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:05:48 -0700, TROTTIER Tom wrote: >In win95, & I believe other OSs, the font chosen for display purposes >for a DOS box can easily be chosen, either on the properties sheet, or a >button on the window So you can choose a teeny 5x7 pixels or huge 16x18 >pixels. > >So you often can make the characters larger, even if you're still >restricted to 24x80 [lines by characters]. > >Often DOS programs can detect larger logical screens, e.g. 50x80, >60x132, or can be set to format their character displays that way (e.g. >Newviews, Framework, Magellan) That sounds about right, though I haven't had the occasion to change it for myself (on 640*480). :) -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 33m 6s 648ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 03:52:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176567147; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:52:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23594; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:19:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23220; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23113; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07112; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:17:01 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110717.XAA07112@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David W. Wormuth MD MPH" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "wormuthd@hscsyr.edu" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:27:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery for 360cse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 98 15:57:31 -0500, David W. Wormuth MD MPH wrote: >My battery for my 360cse no longer seems to hold a charge. > >Does anyone know if there is a way to rejuvinate it? What >about inexpensive replacements? 800-Batteries wanted >$180 which is way to much right now. > That is indeed way too much. I think IBM used to sell them for around $115, and I found that somewhat reasonable. I bet that's how companies like 800 BATTERIES makes their profit - huge markups. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 45m 43s 23ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 03:55:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176757322; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:55:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23591; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:19:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23199; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23116; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07123; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:17:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110717.XAA07123@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David W. Wormuth MD MPH" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "wormuthd@hscsyr.edu" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:32:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hibernating a 360cse with PC Cards in place Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 98 16:36:05 -0500, David W. Wormuth MD MPH wrote: >Is it possible to get a 360cse to hibernate with active PC Cards >under OS/2 v3.0 with Fixpak 32? I'm getting tired of all this >shutting down and rebooting. > What kind of problems are you getting? Sometimes this happens with my IBM Flash card, and I just suspend, wait for .5-1 second, get out, wait for the initialization beep, and it works. Try suspending after resuming from hibernation. But it would help to know what cards you're using, though. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 82 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 49m 58s 585ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 03:57:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA176937431; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:57:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23810; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:42 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23349; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23133; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:18:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07083; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:16:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110716.XAA07083@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "ross@math.hawaii.edu" Cc: "jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:11:43 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 98 07:29:57 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><>> > >No one said they did, at least not in this interchnage, and if they >did say it, it would be false! > Oh, I just misunderstood - things sure go quickly, from 320*400 (or whatever CGA was) and the original Hercules card, to my ThinkPad 701 (and this machine, but the best I can display is 640*480). On question, though, what size CRT is the 14.1" LCD equivalent to? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 7h 29m 37s 679ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 03:57:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA177007462; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 03:57:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23806; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23351; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23147; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07097; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:16:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110716.XAA07097@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "allied@teleport.com" , "epbrown@enteract.com" , "Robert Dewar" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:08:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Notebooks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:44:50 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><< I love my Sony video but their laptop keyboard (that I tried) >sucked....I'll take quality feel and the TrackPoint anytime as it now >stands. I'd prefer lighter, comfortable, fast and bright....not to men= tion >capable but its all about trade off$. I also still like the size and f= eel >of my 701...wish the upgrade results had been dramatic. >>> > >You could certainly not expect the upgrade results to be more than you >saw. Fast machines are more than a slightly faster clock speed in the >processor! > >Here is an idea, wouldn't it be nice if IBM would use its folding keybo= ard >technology from the 701 on a full size notebook, then they could make >a full sized keyboard with separate numeric pad and cursor cluster ... > No WAY, Jos=82! The main source of problems on my 701 have been the key= board (and thus contributing to the hinges cracking/breaking), so that might now be a good idea after all. I'm sure IBM has a GOOD reason why they don't use it in any new ThinkPads. :) -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 26m 30s 460ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 04:04:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178037852; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:04:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23839; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:22:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23599; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23132; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07131; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:17:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110717.XAA07131@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "David Ross" , "Thinkpad Listserv" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:41:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Euro-Plugs; was RE: Traveling overseas with TP560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:04:33 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Axel Hartmann wrote: > >>computers should be interchangeable. Except the UK, and you mentioned >>London. The outlets there require plugs that make most Thinkpad power >supplies >>look small and have a built in fuse. > >This reminds me - if you buy a plug shape converter over here (US) for use in >the UK, it will *not* be fused, and will work well. If you buy a converter >in England, it will almost surely be the fuse kind, and will often be sold >sans fuse. (This really had me stumped when I moved to England some years >back.) Just a warning, in case the original poster decides to keep flight >travel weight down by not buying one of the elephantine UK adapters until >getting there. > >>be careful with the power converters, though. > >The poster should *not* buy a power converter; the stock 560 brick handles >the Eurocurrent well (though I wonder if the higher current would decrease >the long-term life span of a US-spec power brick). > I doubt it. Power spikes, surges, brownouts, etc. might make a difference, though. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 82 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 59m 22s 898ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 04:04:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178097881; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:04:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23762; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23318; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23149; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 02:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts15.loop.net (p24.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.249]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA07116; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:17:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802110717.XAA07116@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Thinkpad Listserv" , "wyn@ibm.net" Cc: "Joe Achenbaum" Date: Tue, 10 Feb 98 22:30:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Traveling overseas with TP560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:35:08 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>My family is traveling to Paris & London in a couple of months, and >>we're planning to take our two TP560's. What considerations are there >>for power converters, recharging batteries, etc? > >Your adapter will work fine on 240/50 current, but you'll need plug >converters because the UK and French wall sockets are shaped differently than >those in the US. (Question for European listers: is there a common >plug/socket specification part of the European Union?) You can buy fairly >universal kits for $10-$20 at drugstores, department stores, radio shacks, >etc here, or you can wait until you're there. > I'm sure that an electronics store there would have a local plug -> IEC cord that fits in the AC adapter. >BTW, when I misplaced my converter last time I was in England I just used >recharged the machine in the bathroom; UK shaver outlets have US-spec >sockets. > Just don't let it fall in the sink/tub. >For your modem you'll need a different plug converter, and you'll need to >tell the modem not to try to recognize dial tones/rings/busy signals etc >(unless you have something like the IBM 'International' modem.) > And sometimes it has to be approved to work in that specific country, too. I suggest looking at your modem's manual (as dumb as that sounds). >> I know hotel phones are >>quite expensive; where else might we be able to use a phone line to send >>& download e-mail (Admiral's Club at the airports comes to mind, where >>else?) > >Cybercafes are reasonably common and cheap in cities in England and Scotland. > Do Cybercafes offer any OS/network config. to hook up? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 82 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 48m 13s 718ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 04:32:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA181209568; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:32:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28623; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:29:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28363; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28351; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 04:29:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA29658; Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:23:29 -1000 From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , , , "Robert Dewar" Cc: Subject: Re: Notebooks Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:25:44 -1000 Message-Id: <01bd36cf$07848f20$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 10 Feb 98 09:44:50 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >Here is an idea, wouldn't it be nice if IBM would use its folding keyboa= rd >technology from the 701 on a full size notebook, then they could make >a full sized keyboard with separate numeric pad and cursor cluster ... Paul K. responded: >No WAY, Jos=82! The main source of problems on my 701 have been the key= board >(and thus contributing to the hinges cracking/breaking), so that might >now be a good idea after all. I'm sure IBM has a GOOD reason why >they don't use it in any new ThinkPads. :) The folding keyboard is the raison d'etre of the 701, and the feature I m= iss most. If there *were* quality control problems with the keyboard (and I = have to say that this was one of the few things that did *not* go wrong with mine:-), this isn't an argument against the concept, just the specific implementation. I have my own theory here. I'll bet that when IBM decided to create subnotebooks, they produced several competing 'concept designs', a small number of which were *simultaneously* developed to a fairly advanced stag= e. One might have been a 'small-footprint/small keyboard/small screen' model (like the HP600), which never got marketed in the US (but such a machine *was* marketed by IBM in Japan). Another would have been a 'small-footprint/large keyboard/small screen' model, which eventually bec= ame the 701. A third might have been the 'large-footprint/large-keyboard/lar= ge screen/thin' model which became the 560. When they actually jumped in wi= th a subnote a few years ago, the only one that was both cost-effective and saleable in the US would have been the 701. However, even as they sold t= he 701 they would have continued with 'thin model' development, and when scr= een prices dropped they were ready with the 560 design. However, the *design= 's* origin as a contemporaneous competitor to the 701 would have made it difficult to incorporate any 701-tested features, such as the keyboard. Just speculation, but I know this is what happens in other industries (su= ch as the automobile industry). - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 08:03:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA204552225; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:03:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11847; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:02:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:00:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11633; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA11619; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from zonker (13-165.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.13.165]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.6/8.7.5) with SMTP id HAA08529 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:00:28 -0600 (CST) Posted-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:00:28 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802111300.HAA08529@mixer.visi.com> X-Bmw: 1982 R100RS X-Cage: 1986 Honda CRX Si X-Homepage: HTTP://www.AmericanMold.com/ X-Sender: timf@mail.visi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 07:05:36 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Timothy W. Foreman" Subject: Parts sources? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I need a source for small, misc parts for my 365X. Specifically, I'm looking for one of the flip-down feet on the bottom. Does anyone have a good source for ThinkPad parts? -- "Imagine if every Thursday your shoes exploded if you tied them the usual way. This happens to us all the time with computers, and nobody thinks of complaining" -Jeff Raskin, Apple Computer, Inc. -- Timothy W. Foreman, Engineering Manager American Mold & Engineering Co. - Minneapolis, Minnesota Email: timf@AmericanMold.com | Voice (612) 571-8642 WWW: http://www.AmericanMold.com/ <-- Updated! -- We Design & Build Custom Plastic Injection, Structural Foam, Gas Assist, Die Cast, Blow Mold and Compression Mold Tooling. -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 08:28:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA206983723; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:28:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13286; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:26:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13171; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13159; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 08:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:25:38 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:25:28 +0100 (MET) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: "Timothy W. Foreman" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Parts sources? In-Reply-To: <199802111300.HAA08529@mixer.visi.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Timothy W. Foreman wrote: > I need a source for small, misc parts for my 365X. Try http://direct.boulder.ibm.com/us/parts/thinkpad/tpad365x.htm Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 09:17:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214556657; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:17:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15726; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:14:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:11:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15502; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15483; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08496; Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:07:08 EST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:07:08 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802111407.AA08496@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: (screen-) size... (was 770 price cut) Cc: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> It is typically a little bit bigger than the actual display size on so-called 15" CRT's (and of course it is much sharper). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 09:35:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA217227754; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:35:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16614; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:31:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16533; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16521; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:31:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09151; Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:26:14 EST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:26:14 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802111426.AA09151@nile.gnat.com> To: dwormuth@scctel.com, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, wormuthd@hscsyr.edu Subject: Re: Battery for 360cse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> Well people on this list always seem ready to jump to such conclusions, but in my experience the prices at 800-BATTERIES have been quite competitive. Are you sure that you are comparing apples and oranges. For some of the TP's there has been a choice between different kinds of batteries. $180 would be cheap for a LiIon for example, and NiMH batteries are noticeably more expensive than junk Nicad's. A good site to visit to verify reasonable prices is www.insight.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 09:44:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA218178272; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:44:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17254; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:39:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17156; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17144; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:39:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA09274; Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:34:42 EST Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:34:42 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802111434.AA09274@nile.gnat.com> To: "epbrown@enteract.com, dewar@gnat.com,"@gnat.com, hallied@teleport.com, pkhoury@loop.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: Notebooks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> One has to be careful not to overreact to the voice of one user who has had problems and generalize. I have never seen any trade press comments about 701 keyboard problems, and my many friends who have one have not had troubles. As I said earlier, what hapened with the 701 was that it turned out that people wanted bigger screens more than they wanted small form factors. The 701 keyboard was seen as a way to reduce the form factor. The idea of using it on a full size notebook was, as far as I know, never seriously considered (there is no very obvious market demand for this, although it sounds like a nice idea). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 10:41:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA226841686; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:41:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20857; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:33:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20294; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:33:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from juliet.its.uwo.ca (juliet.its.uwo.ca [129.100.2.61]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20248; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from julian.uwo.ca by juliet.its.uwo.ca with ESMTP id KAA10641; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:33:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <34E1C517.612DA8CF@julian.uwo.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:34:47 -0500 From: John Starkey Organization: University of Western Ontario X-Sender: "John Starkey" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-UWODEC97 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Re: Euro-Plugs; was RE: Traveling overseas with TP560 References: <01BD364E.9E6E4E20@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have found that light bulb sockets are more uniform within europe. I would suggest taking one of these, although you may have to get it there. Light bulbs have a bayonet type fitting - not a screw mount! This will provide a non-grounded connection. John Starkey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 11:46:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA238375615; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:46:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24941; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:43:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24806; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24760; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA14869 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18639; Wed, 11 Feb 98 11:42:29 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA00641 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:35 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Notebooks In-Reply-To: <9802111434.AA09274@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Robert Dewar wrote: > One has to be careful not to overreact to the voice of one user who > has had problems and generalize. I have never seen any trade press > comments about 701 keyboard problems, and my many friends who have > one have not had troubles. Well let me add that I'm dissatisfied with the keyboard as well, and state why. - It is flimsy. Pushing on the trackpoint has a tendency to slightly shift that half of the keyboard, making fine mouse movements difficult at times. - It is flimsy. When opened, the only real places you can grab to pick the computer up is the front (too much torque - danger of dropping), the keyboard (flimsy, feels like it might break off), and the back near the screen (very thin decorative plastic material that cracked the first time I did this). - It sticks out. It gets in the way of XJack style PCMCIA modem cards. - It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use it on a cluttered desk, on your lap, on a couch, or in bed, tipping the computer slightly makes it rest on the keyboard, which I've already told you is flimsy. So the small form factor is great for transportation, but the odd form when opened makes it somewhat more of a hassle to use. Now, in it's favor, I should mention I've dropped the damn thing, popping several keys out and breaking one of the joints on the keyboard (the right side could be lifted up), and it still worked. So maybe it is very rugged and just feels flimsy. But it still feels like I could break it if I accidently put it down and accidently catch the keyboard on some nearby books. That means I end up worrying about little things like that a lot, which is enough to make me want a different (solid) form factor for my next laptop. > As I said earlier, what hapened with the 701 was that it turned out > that people wanted bigger screens more than they wanted small form > factors. The 701 keyboard was seen as a way to reduce the form factor. > > The idea of using it on a full size notebook was, as far as I know, > never seriously considered (there is no very obvious market demand > for this, although it sounds like a nice idea). Exactly. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 13:44:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA259822665; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:44:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02074; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:38:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01810; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [207.91.115.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01791; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:37:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id NAA09611; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:40:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:40:34 -0500 (EST) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: 701 keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 11th February 1998, John Kim wrote: > On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Robert Dewar wrote: > > > I have never seen any trade press comments about 701 keyboard > > problems, and my many friends who have one have not had troubles. > > Well let me add that I'm dissatisfied with the keyboard as well, > and state why. I've found the keyboard to be satisfactory, perhaps because I haven't had any troubles with mine. > - It is flimsy. Pushing on the trackpoint has a tendency to > slightly shift that half of the keyboard, making fine mouse > movements difficult at times. I haven't experienced this at all with mine. > - It is flimsy. When opened, the only real places you can grab > to pick the computer up is the front (too much torque - danger > of dropping), the keyboard (flimsy, feels like it might break > off), and the back near the screen (very thin decorative plastic > material that cracked the first time I did this). When opened, I've always picked it up from the bottom, grabbing a front corner to pull it out enough to get my hand underneath of it (when two hands are available, pulling it out isn't necessary). Given the thinness of the keyboard and the screen hinges, I've never attempted to pick it up in those ways; that seemed to me to be asking for trouble. > - It sticks out. It gets in the way of XJack style PCMCIA modem > cards. I've always perceived the XJack to be flimsy, so I got around this by never buying any XJack peripherals. Note that I don't actually know if the XJack is flimsy or not. > - It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use > it on a cluttered desk, on your lap, on a couch, or in bed, > tipping the computer slightly makes it rest on the keyboard, > which I've already told you is flimsy. I almost always use mine in my lap; it would take more than a slight tip in a lap to make it rest on the keyboard. When heat buildup is an issue, I set the 701 on a hardcover book and set the book on my lap. This also makes it easier to pick up - just pick up the book. > So the small form factor is great for transportation, but the > odd form when opened makes it somewhat more of a hassle to use. It is slightly more of a hassle, but in my view the tradeoff is acceptable, since I'm in the "small form factor" (vs. "large screen") camp. Chris. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 14:15:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA264654510; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:15:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03819; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:05:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03445; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03396; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02604; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:02:33 -1000 Message-Id: <003c01bd371f$b5104c60$fc32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: Notebooks Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:03:14 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well let me add that I'm dissatisfied with the keyboard as well, >and state why. >- It is flimsy. When opened, the only real places you can grab >to pick the computer up is the front (too much torque - danger >of dropping), the keyboard (flimsy, feels like it might break >off), and the back near the screen (very thin decorative plastic >material that cracked the first time I did this). Solution: close the computer before picking up! I think picking up the 701 by its keyboard is a major source of trouble. (Reminds me of ex-US President Johnson and his beagles...) >- It sticks out. It gets in the way of XJack style PCMCIA modem >cards. XJack is *also* an idea better on paper than in practice - it seems to interfere with lots of stuff. >- It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use >it on a cluttered desk, ...is where it shines. You can fit the floppy *under* the wings, so that the whole system will fit in a small space (like a sliding desk drawer shelf or airplane tray table); with the 560, I never know where to put the floppy drive when I need it. >That means I end up worrying about little things like that a >lot, which is enough to make me want a different (solid) form >factor for my next laptop. Overall I think the *physical* construction of the 701 (case strength et al) is much better than the 560. For example, I think my 560's last trip to EasyServ was due to a solder failure due to case flexure (the case will curve visibly if you pick it up from one side while open). >> As I said earlier, what hapened with the 701 was that it turned out >> that people wanted bigger screens more than they wanted small form >> factors. The 701 keyboard was seen as a way to reduce the form factor. Yet HP continued to use the small-footprint/small screen form factor in their 600/800, and now the Libretto is all the rage. I'll bet that a 701 with a faster processor, bigger HD, and a pound shaved off the weight would sell well. >> The idea of using it on a full size notebook was, as far as I know, >> never seriously considered My guess is that the 'thin' designers and the 'folding keyboard' designers were two distinct, competing groups within IBM. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 14:42:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA269666157; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:42:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05917; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:39:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:38:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05805; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:38:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05745; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:37:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03978; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:35:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20494; Wed, 11 Feb 98 14:36:31 EST Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA01829; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:36:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:36:33 -0500 (EST) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Notebooks In-Reply-To: <003c01bd371f$b5104c60$fc32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, David Ross wrote: > >- It is flimsy. When opened, the only real places you can grab > >to pick the computer up is the front (too much torque - danger > >of dropping), the keyboard (flimsy, feels like it might break > >off), and the back near the screen (very thin decorative plastic > >material that cracked the first time I did this). > > Solution: close the computer before picking up! I think > picking up the 701 by its keyboard is a major source of > trouble. I don't want to close my computer just to move it 2 feet. And no, I don't pick it up by the keyboard. I already told you, I think it's flimsy and I baby it. Maybe I just got used to grabbing my 750 by the side with one hand to move it. I can't do that with my 701 without using two hands (unless I close it first). The shifting keyboard problem was apparent on my first 701. I returned it for service noting that as a problem (among other problems). They replaced the keyboard and the new one didn't have a shifting problem. For about 2 weeks until the springs loosened enough to let it shift again. > >- It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use > >it on a cluttered desk, > > ...is where it shines. You can fit the floppy *under* the > wings, so that the whole system will fit in a small space > (like a sliding desk drawer shelf or airplane tray table); > with the 560, I never know where to put the floppy drive when > I need it. I haven't touched a floppy in 4 months (and that was the Linux boot/install diskette). I do all my file transfers over a network now. Heck, I don't even know where my 701 floppy drive is - buried in some box since I moved 8 months ago... So you see, some of us do have legitimate reasons not to like it. Not that I'm getting rid of it anytime soon. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 18:48:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA020300883; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:48:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19248; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:40:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19020; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from fantasia.qualcomm.com (fantasia.qualcomm.com [129.46.52.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18941; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:40:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from GJACOBS.QUALCOMM.COM (gjacobs.qualcomm.com [129.46.125.209]) by fantasia.qualcomm.com (8.8.5/1.4/8.7.2/1.14) with SMTP id PAA19239 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:39:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980211153940.008ea700@adept> X-Sender: gjacobs@adept X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:39:40 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Gary E. Jacobs" Subject: Thinkpad 770 price reduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I see IBM just reduced the price of my thinkpad 770 by $2,000 (28%). And I only bought the thing in December. Oh well, the price of staying on the bleeding edge. I have the 9549-1AU model with 233MHz Intel=AE Pentium=AE processor with MMX=99 technology Mobile Module, 5.1GB SMART hard drive, 14.1" TFT display 32MB of high-speed synchronous DRAM (SDRAM) memory DVD with DVD/Enhanced Video I like the way the floppy drive came preconfigured for external use. It's certainly faster than my TP 760CD Gary Jacobs gjacobs@qualcomm.com Senior Learning Specialist From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 21:57:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA052142227; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:57:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26969; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:53:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26836; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:53:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26824; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts11.loop.net (p01.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.106]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA21301; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:51:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802120251.SAA21301@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dwormuth@scctel.com" , "Robert Dewar" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "wormuthd@hscsyr.edu" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 18:49:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery for 360cse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Feb 98 09:26:14 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><profit - huge markups. >>> > >Well people on this list always seem ready to jump to such conclusions, >but in my experience the prices at 800-BATTERIES have been quite >competitive. Are you sure that you are comparing apples and oranges. >For some of the TP's there has been a choice between different kinds >of batteries. > >$180 would be cheap for a LiIon for example, and NiMH batteries are >noticeably more expensive than junk Nicad's. > >A good site to visit to verify reasonable prices is www.insight.com > Unless it was changed, I KNOW that the 355/360 used NiMH batteries. I don't think they ever had Li ION batteries, or (like you said) crap NiCAD batteries, so 180 for a NiMH might be kind of high, unless it lasts a lot longer. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 19h 6m 59s 218ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 22:21:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056143699; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:21:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28305; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:18:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28220; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28197; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:18:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts11.loop.net (p01.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.106]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA21439; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:16:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802120316.TAA21439@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 19:15:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Notebooks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:42:35 -0500 (EST), John Kim wrote: >On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, Robert Dewar wrote: > >> One has to be careful not to overreact to the voice of one user who >> has had problems and generalize. I have never seen any trade press >> comments about 701 keyboard problems, and my many friends who have >> one have not had troubles. > >Well let me add that I'm dissatisfied with the keyboard as well, >and state why. > >- It is flimsy. Pushing on the trackpoint has a tendency to >slightly shift that half of the keyboard, making fine mouse >movements difficult at times. > That I never noticed. >- It is flimsy. When opened, the only real places you can grab >to pick the computer up is the front (too much torque - danger >of dropping), the keyboard (flimsy, feels like it might break >off), and the back near the screen (very thin decorative plastic >material that cracked the first time I did this). This I ALWAYS notice! > >- It sticks out. It gets in the way of XJack style PCMCIA modem >cards. This happened with my Home & Away, especially before I got my bottom PCMCIA slot fixed, > >- It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use >it on a cluttered desk, on your lap, on a couch, or in bed, >tipping the computer slightly makes it rest on the keyboard, >which I've already told you is flimsy. > Problem there, too. I used to use it sideways when I was tired and laying down (the 355C, that is). >So the small form factor is great for transportation, but the >odd form when opened makes it somewhat more of a hassle to use. > I agree. >Now, in it's favor, I should mention I've dropped the damn >thing, Ahh, now I know I'm not the only one. popping several keys out and breaking one of the joints >on the keyboard (the right side could be lifted up), and it >still worked. So maybe it is very rugged and just feels flimsy. >But it still feels like I could break it if I accidently put it >down and accidently catch the keyboard on some nearby books. >That means I end up worrying about little things like that a >lot, which is enough to make me want a different (solid) form >factor for my next laptop. > Same here. The backlight broke, but this was AFTER Easyserve broke the case (such as the keyboard shelf, and front bezel). The machine was a horrible MESS! -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 19h 33m 28s 687ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 22:24:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA056493897; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:24:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28728; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:22:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28589; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28573; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from p01.hwts11.loop.net (p01.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.106]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA21536; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:19:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802120319.TAA21536@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "John Kim" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 19:18:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Notebooks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 09:03:14 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>Well let me add that I'm dissatisfied with the keyboard as well, >>and state why. > > >>- It is flimsy. When opened, the only real places you can grab >>to pick the computer up is the front (too much torque - danger >>of dropping), the keyboard (flimsy, feels like it might break >>off), and the back near the screen (very thin decorative plastic >>material that cracked the first time I did this). > > >Solution: close the computer before picking up! I think picking up the 701 >by >its keyboard is a major source of trouble. (Reminds me of ex-US President >Johnson >and his beagles...) > >>- It sticks out. It gets in the way of XJack style PCMCIA modem >>cards. > > >XJack is *also* an idea better on paper than in practice - it seems to >interfere with >lots of stuff. > >>- It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use >>it on a cluttered desk, > >...is where it shines. You can fit the floppy *under* the wings, so that >the whole system will >fit in a small space (like a sliding desk drawer shelf or airplane tray >table); with the 560, I never >know where to put the floppy drive when I need it. > Sometimes mine will just hang over the desk if there's no room. >>That means I end up worrying about little things like that a >>lot, which is enough to make me want a different (solid) form >>factor for my next laptop. > > >Overall I think the *physical* construction of the 701 (case strength et al) >is much >better than the 560. For example, I think my 560's last trip to EasyServ >was due >to a solder failure due to case flexure (the case will curve visibly if you >pick it up from >one side while open). > Now that's strange. But I'm sure that better machines, like the 755 or 355/360, had better case designs than the 701, IMHO. >>> As I said earlier, what hapened with the 701 was that it turned out >>> that people wanted bigger screens more than they wanted small form >>> factors. The 701 keyboard was seen as a way to reduce the form factor. > > >Yet HP continued to use the small-footprint/small screen form factor in >their 600/800, >and now the Libretto is all the rage. I'll bet that a 701 with a faster >processor, bigger HD, and >a pound shaved off the weight would sell well. > Hmmm, how would you take off that extra pound, besides a smaller battery, and smaller screen? > >>> The idea of using it on a full size notebook was, as far as I know, >>> never seriously considered > >My guess is that the 'thin' designers and the 'folding keyboard' designers >were two distinct, competing groups within IBM. > Just like the software and advertising groups. Unfortunately, we know this all too well! -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 19h 36m 26s 632ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 11 22:29:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA057164175; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:29:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29091; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:28:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:27:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29009; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28996; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts13.loop.net (p00.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.165]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA21788; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:24:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802120324.TAA21788@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "John Kim" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 11 Feb 98 19:20:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Notebooks Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> >> Solution: close the computer before picking up! I think >> picking up the 701 by its keyboard is a major source of >> trouble. > >I don't want to close my computer just to move it 2 feet. And >no, I don't pick it up by the keyboard. I already told you, I >think it's flimsy and I baby it. Maybe I just got used to >grabbing my 750 by the side with one hand to move it. I can't >do that with my 701 without using two hands (unless I close it >first). > Same here. It is ackward trying to move it that way. Plus, getting to the audio jacks is tedious with the TrackWrite keyboard, too. >The shifting keyboard problem was apparent on my first 701. I >returned it for service noting that as a problem (among other >problems). They replaced the keyboard and the new one didn't >have a shifting problem. For about 2 weeks until the springs >loosened enough to let it shift again. > >> >- It sticks out. It's fine if you use it on a desk. If you use >> >it on a cluttered desk, >> >> ...is where it shines. You can fit the floppy *under* the >> wings, so that the whole system will fit in a small space >> (like a sliding desk drawer shelf or airplane tray table); >> with the 560, I never know where to put the floppy drive when >> I need it. > >I haven't touched a floppy in 4 months (and that was the Linux >boot/install diskette). I do all my file transfers over a >network now. Heck, I don't even know where my 701 floppy drive >is - buried in some box since I moved 8 months ago... > Lucky! >So you see, some of us do have legitimate reasons not to like >it. Not that I'm getting rid of it anytime soon. :-) Same here. If I had a job and could afford it, that's a different story. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 82 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 19h 38m 32s 906ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 00:18:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA074560731; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:18:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03646; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:14:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03535; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03518; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA10089; Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:11:45 -1000 Message-Id: <003201bd3775$07eb3bc0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "John Kim" , Subject: Re: Notebooks Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 19:14:00 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: >>Yet HP continued to use the small-footprint/small screen form factor in >>their 600/800, >>and now the Libretto is all the rage. I'll bet that a 701 with a faster >>processor, bigger HD, and >>a pound shaved off the weight would sell well. Paul asked: >Hmmm, how would you take off that extra pound, besides a smaller battery, and >smaller screen? Presumably the same way that HP does it (the 800 is only 3.5 pounds) and will do it with their new 'Pedion' (Greek for 'dirt') laptop: you use materials with a higher strength/weight ratio wherever you can. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 08:26:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA133470019; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:26:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00795; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:26:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:11 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00604; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from otis.our-town.com (otis.our-town.com [206.64.104.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00582; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 08:24:04 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (ttyD05.our-town.com [206.64.104.100]) by otis.our-town.com (8.8.8/SCO5) with SMTP id HAA05498; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:32:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802121332.HAA05498@otis.our-town.com> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 07:20:36 -0600 To: "David Ross" , "Paul Khoury" , "John Kim" , In-Reply-To: <003201bd3775$07eb3bc0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Notebooks X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <003201bd3775$07eb3bc0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu>, on 02/11/98 at 07:14 PM, "David Ross" said: >Presumably the same way that HP does it (the 800 is only 3.5 pounds) and >will do it with their new 'Pedion' (Greek for 'dirt') laptop: you use >materials with a higher strength/weight ratio wherever you can. >- David Yeah, I saw that name. Really means something like "open ground" or "plain" - and I really couldn't figure what they were getting at unless the implication it was something one took on the "open road"? And there is the idea of "feet" in the root, maybe that came to mind in whoever created the name. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- wfj@our-town.com Father Winston F Jensen Running OS/2, the stable computer OS MR/2ICE Reader for OS/2 # 252 ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 09:59:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA144135577; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:59:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05782; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:56:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05638; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05626; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:56:46 -0500 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD379B.CE57C8C0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:51:35 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD379B.CE57C8C0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'pkhoury@loop.com'" Subject: me too messages Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:51:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu can certain individuals please not quote entire messages just to add "me too" in the middle somewhere? thank you. axel. p.s.: anyone know of a spam filter for windows messaging? ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 10:47:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA151788471; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:47:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10970; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:46:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:44:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10764; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:44:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.novared.cl (venus.novared.cl [199.186.30.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10743; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw.novared.cl ([192.168.31.1]) by venus.novared.cl (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA28091 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:45:28 -0800 Received: from 192.168.30.111 by fw.novared.cl (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) Message-Id: <34E3278B.1544213A@novared.cl> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:47:07 -0400 From: "Gustavo Sepulveda Salas" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (no subject) References: <01ITDTUFHPW08WWDBE@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F6DA15062C88AAEC8606A5F0" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F6DA15062C88AAEC8606A5F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unsubscribe --------------F6DA15062C88AAEC8606A5F0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gustavo Sepulveda Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Gustavo Sepulveda n: Sepulveda ;Gustavo org: Novared SA adr: Guardia Vieja 255;;Providencia;Santiago;Chile;none;Chile email;internet: gsepulveda@novared.cl title: Ingeniero de Telecomunicaciones tel;work: 56-2-3310390 tel;fax: 56-2-3310389 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------F6DA15062C88AAEC8606A5F0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 10:57:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA153699052; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:57:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11821; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:55:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11705; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com ([153.113.2.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11676; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by fw1.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0y30fq-0002yTC; Thu, 12 Feb 98 09:35 CST Received: from rm130763.eiws.esid.northgrum.com by mail-relay.eiws.esid.northgrum.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0y30bT-0008DzC; Thu, 12 Feb 98 09:31 CST Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:35:31 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD3799.8FBA09E0@strat@eiws.esid.northgrum.com> From: "Scott A. Stratmoen" Reply-To: "strat@eiws.esid.northgrum.com" To: "'Axel Hartmann'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'pkhoury@loop.com'" Subject: Unsubscribing (was RE: me too messages) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:35:30 -0600 Importance: high X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Organization: Northrop Grumman X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4008 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How does one unsubscribe to this list????? I have sent an unsubscribe message to the server multiple times over the last two weeks with NO response. P.S. The reason I need to get off of this list? Too much junk mail in my in box distracting from more important matters. -----Original Message----- From: Axel Hartmann [SMTP:axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu] Sent: Thursday, February 12, 1998 8:52 AM To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Cc: 'pkhoury@loop.com' Subject: me too messages can certain individuals please not quote entire messages just to add "me too" in the middle somewhere? thank you. axel. p.s.: anyone know of a spam filter for windows messaging? ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice-by-Wire : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Paper-by-Wire on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 13:15:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA178407347; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:15:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22174; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:08:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:03:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21894; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:03:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from bessie.eunet.fi (bessie.eunet.fi [192.26.119.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21868; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcmjukka.fi.ibm.com (joakim.pp.fi [193.66.77.210]) by bessie.eunet.fi (8.8.7/8.8.3) with SMTP id UAA07412 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:01:48 +0200 (EET) From: "Jukka Ketelaars" To: Subject: COM1 remains turned off in W95 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:01:56 +0100 Message-Id: <01bd37e8$b0715680$d24d42c1@pcmjukka.fi.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Whatever I try, the COM1 port on my 760EL remains turned off, it produces no output whatsoever. The cause seems to be W95 (I'm using OSR2), because when I run the startup diagnostics, everything goes fine, and the signal stays up, until W95 boots. COM1 looks fine in the device manager, with no conflicts (the modem is on COM2, and IR on COM3). In the Thinkpad Configuration (I use the new W95 version) the serial port is enabled. The BIOS version is 25/9/97. Turning off power mgmt doesn't seem to work either. Any ideas? TIA, Jukka From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 13:32:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA180568365; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:32:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23537; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:23:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23436; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:23:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23419; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:23:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from xena (ppp-207-214-212-25.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.212.25]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id KAA17827; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:23:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <34E33E0C.CDB89E85@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:23:08 -0800 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jukka Ketelaars Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: COM1 remains turned off in W95 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <01bd37e8$b0715680$d24d42c1@pcmjukka.fi.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had the same problem with my 765d. I fixed it by the following: Remove the serial port from the device manager. Reboot and go into the bios setup and initialize the thinkpad. Reboot and that should do it. You will need to reset all your other options when you do this. Richard Hamel Jukka Ketelaars wrote: > Hi, > > Whatever I try, the COM1 port on my 760EL remains turned off, it > produces no > output whatsoever. The cause seems to be W95 (I'm using OSR2), because > when > I run the startup diagnostics, everything goes fine, and the signal > stays > up, until W95 boots. > > COM1 looks fine in the device manager, with no conflicts (the modem is > on > COM2, and IR on COM3). In the Thinkpad Configuration (I use the new > W95 > version) the serial port is enabled. The BIOS version is 25/9/97. > Turning > off power mgmt doesn't seem to work either. > > Any ideas? > > TIA, Jukka From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 16:01:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA205887294; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:01:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02847; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:56:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:51:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02596; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (quackerjack.cc.vt.edu [198.82.160.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02580; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sable.cc.vt.edu (sable.cc.vt.edu [128.173.16.30]) by quackerjack.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA10661 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from juno.cns.vt.edu (juno.cns.vt.edu [128.173.12.34]) by sable.cc.vt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA30784 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:50:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802122050.PAA30784@sable.cc.vt.edu> From: "Dan Cook" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 15:50:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Dan Cook" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Virginia Tech's Registered PMMail 1.9 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Adding a CD to a 365X Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just found an internal CD-Rom drive (that is reported to fit the Thinkpad 365X, least that is what the saleman said) at a great price of $21.00. I was so excited I ordered it before checking to see if it would indeed work. I thought I remembered >from when I ordered the machine some time ago that the CD was optional. Does anyone know whether this Teac model CD-46E will work. If so is it as simple as taking out the floppy drive and replacing it with the CD. I really hope it will work, it was too good of a deal to pass. Any help appreciated, Dan Cook Va Tech / Communications Network Services 1700 Pratt Drive Blacksburg, VA 24061-0506 (540) 231-5270 wdciii@vt.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 16:29:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA210578950; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:29:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04618; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:21:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:21:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04526; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from yoda.fyi.net (yoda.fyi.net [204.179.80.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04514; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from la00429 (dwec3121.pgh.wec.com [168.92.153.121]) by yoda.fyi.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08156; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:18:01 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980212161911.01a97b60@fyi.net> X-Sender: sheenk@fyi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:19:11 -0500 To: "Dan Cook" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" From: Kevin Sheen Subject: Re: Adding a CD to a 365X In-Reply-To: <199802122050.PAA30784@sable.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:50 PM 2/12/98 -0500, Dan Cook wrote: >I just found an internal CD-Rom drive (that is reported to fit >the Thinkpad 365X, least that is what the saleman said) at a >great price of $21.00. I was so excited I ordered it before >checking to see if it would indeed work. I thought I remembered >from when I ordered the machine some time ago that the CD was >optional. Does anyone know whether this Teac model CD-46E will >work. If so is it as simple as taking out the floppy drive and >replacing it with the CD. I really hope it will work, it was too >good of a deal to pass. > > Any help appreciated, > > >Dan Cook >wdciii@vt.edu Well, I just got one via UPS last night. After looking at it for some time, I determined that I could probably use it by taking out the guts of the drive which sits on two rails and is connected to the drive casing by means of a flexible ribbon cable (my stinkpad is a 755CD). Those 'guts' could then be installed in the cd drive 'casing' that came with my 755CD. I think it would be pretty difficult to find / modify parts in order to install the Teac 46E into the thinkpad. The connector is just the standard 'IDE' drive connector NOT the 'pad connector for the floppy/cdrom. My CD recently stopped reading disks and I purchased this (since the price certainly seemed right) without consulting my warrenty. I later found out it is still under warrenty and I'm getting a new cdrom so it was a wasted purchase for me. If you are ordering from surplus direct like I did, be forewarned that they DO NOT accept returns for system incompatibilities ONLY defective merchandise. This drive, as it is delivered, certainly doesn't seem compatible. Live and learn. Kevin From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 12 17:55:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA224954116; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:55:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07471; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:11:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07243; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (merhaba.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07221; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (adw11@localhost) by merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06097; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:11:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:11:01 -0500 (EST) From: Arthur Woo Sender: adw11@columbia.edu To: Dan Cook Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Adding a CD to a 365X In-Reply-To: <199802122050.PAA30784@sable.cc.vt.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Dan Cook wrote: > I just found an internal CD-Rom drive (that is reported to fit > the Thinkpad 365X, least that is what the saleman said) at a > great price of $21.00. I was so excited I ordered it before > checking to see if it would indeed work. I thought I remembered > from when I ordered the machine some time ago that the CD was > optional. Does anyone know whether this Teac model CD-46E will > work. If so is it as simple as taking out the floppy drive and > replacing it with the CD. I really hope it will work, it was too > good of a deal to pass. > > Any help appreciated, > > > Dan Cook > Va Tech / Communications Network Services > 1700 Pratt Drive > Blacksburg, VA 24061-0506 > (540) 231-5270 > wdciii@vt.edu > Is the ribbon connector to connect the CDROM to the 365x's motherboard available from IBM? It seems like that would be the only issue with replacing the internal diskette drive with the CD. -------- Arthur From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 21:51:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA261398303; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:51:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18346; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:48:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18187; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:48:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18175; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12735; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:47:40 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199802130247.VAA12735@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: Re: Surplus Direct CD-ROMs [TPAll, TP365X] To: wdciii@vt.edu Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:47:40 -0500 (EST) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199802122050.PAA30784@sable.cc.vt.edu> from "Dan Cook" at Feb 12, 98 03:50:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I just found an internal CD-Rom drive (that is reported to fit > the Thinkpad 365X, least that is what the saleman said) at a > great price of $21.00. I was so excited I ordered it before > checking to see if it would indeed work. I thought I remembered > from when I ordered the machine some time ago that the CD was > optional. Does anyone know whether this Teac model CD-46E will > work. If so is it as simple as taking out the floppy drive and > replacing it with the CD. I really hope it will work, it was too > good of a deal to pass. I just took delivery of one of these, and can confirm that this model being sold by Surplus Direct is for the 365X line. The FRU marked on the unit is 82H8160. The parts list for the 365X can be found in the on-line IBM Hardware Reference manuals, at http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/cdt/hmm.html. I noticed that they do list a part, "Miscellaneous Cable Kit", 74H0574, which apparently includes a CD-ROM to system board cable. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 23:08:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274262905; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:08:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21949; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:05:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21803; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21782; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts13.loop.net (p07.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.172]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA05707 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:04:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802130404.UAA05707@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 20:02:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: (no subject) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:47:07 -0400, Gustavo Sepulveda Salas wrote: >Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-admin.loop.com [10.130.131.130]) > by patty.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA14808; > Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:49:18 -0800 (PST) > (envelope-from owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu) >Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) > by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA00590; > Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:49:17 -0800 (PST) >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) > by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id KAA10880; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:45:22 -0500 (EST) >Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:44:13 -0500 >Received: > by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id KAA10764; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:44:11 -0500 (EST) >Received: from venus.novared.cl (venus.novared.cl [199.186.30.4]) > by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id KAA10743; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:43:57 -0500 (EST) >Received: from fw.novared.cl ([192.168.31.1]) by venus.novared.cl > (Netscape Mail Server v1.1) with SMTP id AAA28091 > for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:45:28 -0800 >Received: from 192.168.30.111 by fw.novared.cl (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT) >Message-ID: <34E3278B.1544213A@novared.cl> >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 12:47:07 -0400 >From: "Gustavo Sepulveda Salas" >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: (no subject) >References: <01ITDTUFHPW08WWDBE@Opus1.COM> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------F6DA15062C88AAEC8606A5F0" >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Ahh, here is the unsubscribe message in the headers. But I didn't see it in the last thread. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 24m 2s 343ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 23:08:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274312914; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:08:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21660; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:02:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21519; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21498; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts13.loop.net (p07.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.172]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA05358 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:01:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802130401.UAA05358@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 19:59:25 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP ALL - external PS/2 mouse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got a new mouse to replace my crummy Microsoft Inport Mouse (the old revision with the InPort -> PS/2 adapter) with a Kensington mouse, and it works very nicely. Just wanted to recommend it to other users because it's very comfortable, and the mouse pointer glides so much better than with the Microsoft mouse. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 20m 57s 726ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 23:11:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA274623105; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:11:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22064; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:06:06 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21895; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21847; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts13.loop.net (p07.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.172]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA05593; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:03:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802130403.UAA05593@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "strat@eiws.esid.northgrum.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 20:01:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unsubscribing (was RE: me too messages) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:35:30 -0600, Scott A. Stratmoen wrote: >How does one unsubscribe to this list????? > Strangly, the way to unsubscribe was in the headers, but it's not there now (maybe Keith, the list administrator took it out). Anyways, send email to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu a subject line is not needed in the body, ONLY type the following unsubscribe your_email_address@your.isp.com -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 23m 2s 195ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 12 23:19:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA275973566; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:19:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23162; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:18:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:17:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23039; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23006; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 23:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts13.loop.net (p07.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.172]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA06118; Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:08:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802130408.UAA06118@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dan Cook" , "Kevin Sheen" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 12 Feb 98 20:05:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Adding a CD to a 365X Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >If you are ordering from surplus direct like I did, be >forewarned that they DO NOT accept returns for system >incompatibilities ONLY defective merchandise. This >drive, as it is delivered, certainly doesn't seem >compatible. Live and learn. > Does it appear to be compatible with a regular IDE cable or the 2.5" -> 3.5" adapters? My fastest CD-ROM is a 2x IDE, and I am only using SCSI CD-ROMS now. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 93 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 22h 27m 20s 257ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 13 01:19:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA292910776; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:19:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27537; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:16:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27395; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (root@yowie.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27383; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 01:16:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from MYHOSTNAME (zzcwyril.dialin.uq.net.au [203.101.229.10]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA29807; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:16:00 +1000 (GMT+1000) Message-Id: <34E3E570.53F9@uq.net.au> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:17:20 +1000 From: Craig Wyrill Reply-To: wyrill@uq.net.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: wyn@ibm.net Subject: Traveling overseas with TP560 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Friends, My family is traveling to Paris & London in a couple of months, and we're planning to take our two TP560's. What considerations are there for power converters, recharging batteries, etc? I realise that this has been beaten around the forum for two days, but I thought that I should point out that, at least in Australasia the dealer information days include associated products which help the presenters survive through the road show. The presenter who did Brisbane showed all the dealres there that day a wonderful product that allowed full power compatability for the Asia Pacific region and while not endorsing it as an IBM representitive gave a fairly glowing appraisal of how easy it had meade his job. You might find that contacting your local IBM support desk and asking questions may lead you to someone inside the organisation who knows of a product that will preform similarly in Europe. Ciao. Craig From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 13 07:15:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA032862155; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:15:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19811; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:12:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19680; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:12:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19668; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA13293; Fri, 13 Feb 98 07:11:25 EST Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 07:11:25 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802131211.AA13293@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, wyrill@uq.net.au Subject: Re: Traveling overseas with TP560 Cc: wyn@ibm.net Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> This thread seems to be making heavy weather of an extremely simple issue. Power compatibility is a zero problem in any country you are likely to travel in (I do a *lot* of traveling). I have a cheap set of plugs that is world universal and does fine (I got it at Radio Shack). Occasionally, I forget to take it with me, and then I just spend a couple of dollars in any old airport store to buy another one. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 13 12:38:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA075921537; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:38:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06480; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:32:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06210; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06192; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from airmail.net from [139.51.215.98] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for id ; Fri, 13 Feb 98 11:32:25 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <34E48373.72D7EB88@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 11:31:43 -0600 From: "John E. Black II" Reply-To: jblack1@airmail.net Organization: J.B. Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 760CD second HDD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have just recently got a second HDD adapter for my Ultra Bay, I am using a hard drive that I used to use in my primary drive bay, therefore, it already has the OS on it (along with lots of other trash). I would like to reformat the drive, but every time I try W95 tells me that the drive is in use and won't let me, anybody else ever seen this.... I don't know about this part. I would like to configure the second HDD to be drive E:. Currently, a: - floppy c:HDD d:CD-ROM and when the second HDD is in it goes to drive D: and won't let me modify it. THX. JEB From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 13 13:25:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA085064327; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:25:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09135; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:14:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08936; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.socket.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08878; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:14:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p135.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.175]) by mail.socket.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16892 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:12:55 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34E48C7E.7D394AB8@socket.net> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:10:06 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 760CD second HDD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <34E48373.72D7EB88@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi John, The easiset way to format a HDD in W95 is from a startup floppy disk. Just boot with the floppy and use the DOS format command with any switches you need. I don't know about the second part either. One thing you might try is TWEAKUI, one of the microsoft Power Toys. It allows you to reserve letters, and may let you change them as well. Lewis John E. Black II wrote: > > I have just recently got a second HDD adapter for my Ultra Bay, I am > using a hard drive that I used to use in my primary drive bay, > therefore, it already has the OS on it (along with lots of other > trash). I would like to reformat the drive, but every time I try W95 > tells me that the drive is in use and won't let me, anybody else ever > seen this.... > > I don't know about this part. I would like to configure the second > HDD > to be drive E:. Currently, a: - floppy c:HDD d:CD-ROM and when the > second HDD is in it goes to drive D: and won't let me modify it. > > THX. > JEB From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 13 17:32:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA128729164; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:32:44 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24056; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:31:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:26:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23557; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from pear.epix.net (grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23536; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mohotta (tmbg-115ppp40.epix.net [199.224.115.40]) by pear.epix.net (8.8.7/8.8.5/970414Scott Paul) with SMTP id RAA07532 for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:25:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802132225.RAA07532@pear.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-To: jt@epix.net Date: Fri, 13 Feb 98 17:17:12 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: New kid on the list.... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46 b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu but I've had the machine [TP 755] for almost 3 years. 16 meg, 540 meg. I'm running Warp 3 on it, plan to install Warp 4. There's Boot manager and also a Dos/win31 partition that I never use, I plan to do some Partition Magic on the machine when I update the OS. I also have a 3com etherlink 3 PC card that I've never used or installed, need to get the rest of the home LAN working first. Right now it's been running 24*7 on AC running RC5DES. -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- A flying saucer results when a nudist spills his coffee. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 03:55:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA216036510; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:55:10 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14195; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:54:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:51:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13948; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:51:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13929; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:51:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA27723; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:48:58 -1000 Message-Id: <001001bd3925$b6439ee0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad Listserv" Subject: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:51:15 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Recently I've tried to start my TP560 in the Windows95 'safe' mode (to check for a tape driver conflict); it gives me the 'safe mode' screen, then hangs. No problems booting in regular mode. Anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions from W95 gurus? (I've tried the obvious stuff, like selectively avoiding various drivers on a boot to DOS then running win /d:m.) - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 08:04:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA236681453; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:04:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25913; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:00:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25685; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25673; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-14-186.swissonline.ch [194.209.14.186]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA28906 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:57:48 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802141257.NAA28906@swissonline.ch> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:00:03 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [755 CDV] Com ports problems Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I had the same problem with my 765d. I fixed it by the following: > Remove the serial port from the device manager. Reboot and go into the > bios setup and initialize the thinkpad. Reboot and that should do it. > You will need to reset all your other options when you do this. I'm running Warp 4 on my 40M 755 CDV. After upgrading to FP5 and to Mwave 2.24, I have the following problem; - When using COM.SYS in config.sys my system does not recognize COM2; when = issuing MODE COM2, it says it is not installed; when issing MODE COM1, the system traps - When using COM.SYS (1,3f8,4) (2,2f8,3), everything is good BUT FaxWorks P= ro does only recognize COM1 and so is unable to send or receive :-( Also the hardware manager show 2 (two) serial COM ports installed - When using SIO.SYS, everything is also good, but FaxWorks still does not = work and the hardware manager show 1 (one) serial SIO port installed I have tried a lot of things (including having my whole system checked and = repaired by IBM) but this "feature" remains. Should I consider reinstalling FaxWorks ? Or should I try to use the above procedure ? Thanks for help Francois 02/14/98 13:47:42 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 10:32:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251040378; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:32:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29755; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:28:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:19:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28920; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28890; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:18:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip139-92-53-21.vi.at.ibm.net (slip139-92-53-21.vi.at.ibm.net [139.92.53.21]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA51264 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:18:50 GMT Message-Id: <199802141518.PAA51264@out5.ibm.net> From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 16:15:53 +0200 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PCMCIA CD-ROM Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have this nice little IBM PCMCIA drive ("CD 400"), but I could not get hold of a NT driver; any hints anyone? Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 10:33:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA251130392; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:33:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29732; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:28:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:18:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28903; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28882; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip139-92-53-21.vi.at.ibm.net (slip139-92-53-21.vi.at.ibm.net [139.92.53.21]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA51246 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:18:47 GMT Message-Id: <199802141518.PAA51246@out5.ibm.net> From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Sat, 14 Feb 98 16:14:09 +0200 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 701 upgrade Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I know this must have been asked 100 times before on this list, but anyway: I currently have a 701CS with 360MB HDD, 486DX 75MHz, 16MB RAM (8 + 8). Since I like this machine, I want to upgrade it. What are the "biggest" - HDD - processor - MB expansions available for this machine, and where can I buy them? (I live in Vienna/Austria/Europe, but if these things can be ordered via the Internet, a supplier in the US should be no problem). Thanx Siggi Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 11:08:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA254792486; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:08:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01033; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:55:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00538; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.socket.net (smtp.socket.net [204.120.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00508; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p256.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.66]) by mail.socket.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03770 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:47:09 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34E5BD59.2C8C7984@socket.net> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:50:49 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Listserv Subject: Re: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <001001bd3925$b6439ee0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi David, I certainly don't claim to be a guru, but have you tried checking your boot log after an unsuccesful boot? The last (or second to last) driver loaded is usually the problem. Lewis David Ross wrote: > > Recently I've tried to start my TP560 in the Windows95 'safe' mode (to > check > for a tape driver conflict); it gives me the 'safe mode' screen, then > hangs. > No problems booting in regular mode. Anyone else have this problem? > Any > suggestions from W95 gurus? (I've tried the obvious stuff, like > selectively > avoiding various drivers on a boot to DOS then running win /d:m.) > > - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 12:40:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA266018012; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:40:12 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04626; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03964; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03952; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn29.tdl.com [205.162.12.29]) by tdl.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09984; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:29:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199802141729.JAA09984@tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:29:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701 upgrade Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199802141518.PAA51246@out5.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 14 Feb 98 at 16:14, Siegfried Hanisch wrote: > I currently have a 701CS with 360MB HDD, 486DX 75MHz, 16MB RAM (8 + 8). > Since I like this machine, I want to upgrade it..... Take a look at http://www.thinkpads.com or http://www.portables.com I have ordered RAM upgrade for my 701 from thinkpads.com and was pleased with the experience. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 12:45:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA267038347; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:45:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05009; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:45:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:36:47 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04436; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04424; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 12:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn29.tdl.com [205.162.12.29]) by tdl.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10252; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:36:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199802141736.JAA10252@tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 09:36:39 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 701 upgrade Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199802141518.PAA51246@out5.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 14 Feb 98 at 16:14, Siegfried Hanisch wrote: > I currently have a 701CS with 360MB HDD, 486DX 75MHz, 16MB RAM (8 + 8). > Since I like this machine, I want to upgrade it.... You might also try posting your question on the newsgroup comp.sys.laptops From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 14:34:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA278804873; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:34:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07851; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:31:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07666; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07646; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-14-185.swissonline.ch [194.209.14.185]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA26644 for ; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:27:54 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802141927.UAA26644@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:30:09 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [755 CDV] What is PF5 worth ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Once upon a time I had a 755 CDV with Warp 4 and FP1 installed and the thin= gs went really good and I could work with my system. After having read that I should take care of the 2k problem, I upgraded to = FP5. Since then, I have - COM problems - sometimes, my system freezes at boot time - some strange things can happen on the display (modem window redraws in an= "interesting manner") - and the WINOS2 system is really unusable; for example, I could lauch a se= amless session with the Organizer and work quite good; now when I'm trying to click in a notepad pa= ge of the Organizer, the mouse icon blinks for a while and after that, the system proudly informs me= that it made a stack error in a KRNL386 (or so....) library and invites me to close the Orgnaniz= er; after that I can no more lauch the Organizer nor can I launch another Lotus app nor can I launc= h the Program Manager...and Lotus has still not released the ghostly SmartSuite for OS/2 = (I mean not the beta one that made your system unusable for the future because of the special FP you= need) And by now, who else can help me ? Shall I reinstall FP5 again ? Is this what IBM calls an upgrade ? Is FP5 so bad or did I made some big mistake when upgrading ? Nice day to all of you Francois 02/14/98 20:25:23 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 16:21:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA290291292; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:21:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11038; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:17:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10837; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10825; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00601; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:15:29 -1000 Message-Id: <000b01bd398e$00c6a6c0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "Thinkpad Listserv" Subject: Re: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:17:45 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Hi David, >I certainly don't claim to be a guru, but have you tried checking your >boot log after an unsuccesful boot? The last (or second to last) driver >loaded is usually the problem. Shows a successful boot. Evidently something is hanging after 'official' startup but before cursor control is handed back to me. I suppose I could try deleting programs from the start directory and the run-once part of the registry one-by-one... What I'd really like to know if this is caused by anything machine-specific (like a bad interaction between the 560's video drivers and IE4). I don't think I ever tried to boot the 560 in safe mode before installing my current glut of software. - David I asked: >> Recently I've tried to start my TP560 in the Windows95 'safe' mode (to >> check >> for a tape driver conflict); it gives me the 'safe mode' screen, then >> hangs. >> No problems booting in regular mode. Anyone else have this problem? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 14 16:57:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA295743437; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:57:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12049; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:49:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11951; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11936; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00789; Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:47:16 -1000 Message-Id: <002401bd3992$714fb720$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Siegfried Hanisch" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Re: PCMCIA CD-ROM Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:49:34 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I have this nice little IBM PCMCIA drive ("CD 400"), Me too; really nifty little drive, isn't it? You might find the web page http://computernewsdaily.com/live/Latest_columns/146_052697_110001_31961.html amusing (though not helpful). > but I could not get hold of a >NT driver; any hints anyone? I think they don't exist. You *might* try the NT drivers for the newer 8x version, but I have a feeling they changed from IDE technology to SCSI technology internally. In the 'options' section of www.pc.ibm.com/support there are about 300 'hints and tips'; maybe one of these will address this question. However, I suspect not - as soon as the newer drive was marketed, IBM tried very hard to expunge all mention of the old one from their site. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 15 21:25:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA187075916; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:25:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25117; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:14:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24712; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:14:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24698; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from [151.110.166.11] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 16 Feb 1998 02:14:49 UT Received: from shiloh (root@v3-1-21.bridgewater.dialup.ans.net [152.189.50.21]) by etnsed.aus.etn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00120 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:14:46 -0600 (CST) Received: by shiloh id m0y4ESE-0009ZFC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:30:38 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <19980215183038.13999@etnsed.aus.etn.com> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:30:38 -0600 From: "D. W. Wieboldt" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Member References: <000631A3.eval@smh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88 In-Reply-To: <000631A3.eval@smh.com>; from cornelius-halvey@smh.com on Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 06:50:01PM -0500 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 06:50:01PM -0500, cornelius-halvey@smh.com wrote: > Greetings, > > drivers!). When I got the machine I left the preload on a month or so > before I reformatted the hard drive, reinstalled OSR2 Win95 on drive > C, and Win NT 4.0 on drive D. I'd like to abandon Win95, but that > will have to wait for NT 5.0, with (hopefully) better driver support Abandoning windoze95 is a Good Thing, but for more Redmond Rubbish? The same stinkpad runs just fine here without paying another dime to Billy Goats. Check out linux some time; you will be amazed at how well your stinkpad can run, and how much better a free OS is than micro$oft anything. How fast can you get YOUR operating system fixed ???? -- dwiebold@etnsed.aus.etn.com . . . . . . . This computer runs Debian Linux! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 15 21:33:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA188646404; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:33:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25551; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:28:51 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25443; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25429; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA23964; Sun, 15 Feb 98 21:27:39 EST Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 21:27:39 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802160227.AA23964@nile.gnat.com> To: dwiebold@etnsed.aus.etn.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Member Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please let's not start another silly OS War. Why can't we just decide on this list that people are perfectly capable of deciding for themselves what operating system to run :-) ----------------------- <> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 15 21:59:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA191587963; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:59:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26591; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:57:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:55:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26379; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26360; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:55:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts12.loop.net (p17.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.152]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA19997; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:54:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160254.SAA19997@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Francois Hurter" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 18:40:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [755 CDV] What is PF5 worth ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:30:09 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >Once upon a time I had a 755 CDV with Warp 4 and FP1 installed and the things went really good and I >could work with my system. >After having read that I should take care of the 2k problem, I upgraded to FP5. >Since then, I have >- COM problems >- sometimes, my system freezes at boot time >- some strange things can happen on the display (modem window redraws in an "interesting manner") >- and the WINOS2 system is really unusable; for example, I could lauch a seamless session with the >Organizer and work quite good; now when I'm trying to click in a notepad page of the Organizer, the >mouse icon blinks for a while and after that, the system proudly informs me that it made a stack >error in a KRNL386 (or so....) library and invites me to close the Orgnanizer; after that I can no >more lauch the Organizer nor can I launch another Lotus app nor can I launch the Program >Manager...and Lotus has still not released the ghostly SmartSuite for OS/2 (I mean not the beta one >that made your system unusable for the future because of the special FP you need) >And by now, who else can help me ? >Shall I reinstall FP5 again ? >Is this what IBM calls an upgrade ? >Is FP5 so bad or did I made some big mistake when upgrading ? >Nice day to all of you Hmmm, the most I've had was video problems on my 701. FP6 should be comming out soon I hear, including a new driver for APM 1.2! -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org If you can't get to the website, then I'm either not online or I'm doing site maintainence. Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Current system stats: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 82 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 20h 40m 11s 117ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 15 22:01:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA192258097; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:01:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26827; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:57:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26506; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26469; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 21:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts12.loop.net (p17.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.152]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA20176; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:56:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160256.SAA20176@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "D. W. Wieboldt" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 18:57:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New Member Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:30:38 -0600, D. W. Wieboldt wrote: >On Mon, Feb 09, 1998 at 06:50:01PM -0500, cornelius-halvey@smh.com wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> drivers!). When I got the machine I left the preload on a month or so >> before I reformatted the hard drive, reinstalled OSR2 Win95 on drive >> C, and Win NT 4.0 on drive D. I'd like to abandon Win95, but that >> will have to wait for NT 5.0, with (hopefully) better driver support > >Abandoning windoze95 is a Good Thing, but for more Redmond Rubbish? The >same stinkpad runs just fine here without paying another dime to Billy >Goats. Check out linux some time; you will be amazed at how well your >stinkpad can run, and how much better a free OS is than micro$oft >anything. How fast can you get YOUR operating system fixed ???? > No comment (else I'll get flamed). -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org If you can't get to the website, then I'm either not online or I'm doing site maintainence. Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Current system stats: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 20h 57m 26s 171ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 15 22:17:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA194319034; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:17:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28814; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:15:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:13:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28664; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28649; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:13:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-150-120.on.ca.ibm.net [129.37.150.120]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA109480; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:13:31 GMT Message-Id: <34E7AD78.B299EAD5@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:07:36 -0500 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: IBM To Push Support for NT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu According to the Saturday, February 14, 1998 edition of  The Toronto Globe & Mail, IBM is set to announce a   " major strategic shift " to embrace and promote Microsoft Windows NT next Tuesday.  This is to co-incide with their launch of a series of low-priced ($2500) NT based computers aimed at small & medium-sized businesses, with IBM's own DB2 database and Lotus Domino software included as well.

According to several experts quoted in the article, IBM has given up in the operating system arena, due to loss of some of their customers to the NT platform, and sees NT as a better market in which to push acceptance of its' own DB2 and Lotus Domino software.

I've been using OS/2 for many years thru 3 upgraded versions, and can understand and appreciate the advantages this operating system posesses. However, I am also heavily involved in the financial markets, and any programme involving day-trading on the major world markets is heavily oriented to UNIX or NT. Needless to say, my trading activities would be non-existent were I to depend on an OS/2 version of a stock-trading programme.

As I have stated, I use and appreciate OS/2 on my non-financial machines, however, it is becoming harder and harder to justify a separate OS that is limited in its' usability with regards to the rest of my requirements.

Country Joe and the Fish sang it at Woodstock..(for those of  us {like me!}old enough to remember..)

" And it's 1,2,3 - what are we fighting for?"

Comments to TP newsgroup appreciated.

Regards

Dave Sims
 
 
  From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 00:43:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA214397798; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:43:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10554; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:37:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10433; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:37:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10421; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:37:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA08866; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:35:20 -1000 Message-Id: <000301bd3a9c$feacf960$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad Listserv" Subject: cd400 and NT question - answer! Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:37:37 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Recently someone asked about NT and the CD400 external CD drive. The original poster might have a look at http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/43a6.html (which is about the 560, not the 701, but should still prove helpful) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 01:46:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA223381618; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:46:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12466; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:42:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12300; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:42:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12286; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 01:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from p27.hwts07.loop.net (p27.hwts07.loop.net [207.211.61.252]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA14144; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:42:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802160642.WAA14144@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Dave" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 22:24:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM To Push Support for NT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:07:36 -0500, Dave wrote: Where's the message??? -- Paul Khoury pkhoury@loop.com http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org If you can't get to the website, then I'm either not online or I'm doing site maintainence. Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 Current system stats: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 0h 24m 26s 85ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 03:50:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA239119006; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:50:06 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16683; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:46:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16541; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:46:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16527; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-094.usc.edu [128.125.227.94]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA26008 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:46:30 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980216004549.00754df4@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:47:55 -0800 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Thinkpad 760CD Select-A-System Software Reload CD ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Obviously, those of us who own a Thinkpad 760CD should have a license to reinstall the software originally pre-loaded on our machines. But, IBM no longer makes available the CD for restoring the system. Would it be permitted to borrow this CD from another Thinkpad 760CD owner to rebuild my system? If so, would anyone be willing to loan me the CD? Thanks, Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. Department of Molecular & Medical Pharmacology UCLA School of Medicine, CIBI Room A-136 JLNRV Los Angeles, CA 90095-1770 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 04:35:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA242851704; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:35:04 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18399; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:32:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18259; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18247; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 04:31:58 -0500 (EST) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 862565AD.00346BD7 ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:32:34 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: SHARE INC To: rdsims@ibm.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <862565AD.00339E5C.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 03:31:36 -0500 Subject: Re: IBM To Push Support for NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What on earth does this have to do with Thinkpads? but while ur at it... Geeze, i guess if IBM is giving up on Operating systems, then the OS/390, VM, VSE, AIX, OS/400, and even OS/2 W.O.D... folks are all in deep doo doo. NOT. IBM is HUGE and plays in many self-competing markets. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 05:35:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249185333; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:35:33 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27280; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:34:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:32:12 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27159; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27147; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 05:32:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-094.usc.edu [128.125.227.94]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA10114 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 02:32:04 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980216023319.00750288@pop.ben2.ucla.edu> X-Sender: annala@pop.ben2.ucla.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 02:33:25 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: IBM VoiceTYPE Dictation 1.32 for 486DX/SX/SLC 25+MHz Notebooks Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those of us who do not have a notebook with Pentium 166+ MHz processor plus some 40 MB of memory (required for IBM ViaVoice) or a 133+ MHz processor plus 32 MB of memory (required for Deagon Sys Naturally Speaking), one of the few options for voice recognition (conversion of spoken words into typed text or control of windows) is IBM VoiceTYPE Dictation 1.32 software. This package currently lists with INTERNET voice recognition vendors just under $1,000. I have a copy of IBM VTD 1.32, the PCMCIA VTD speech adaptor, and a Shure SM-10 headset/boom microphone which I originally purchased for use on my old IBM Thinkpad 750Cs 486SL-33MHz notebook. I sold the notebook over a year ago. But, the buyer wasn't in the market for a voice recognition system. So, if anyone is interested in a voice recognition system for a notebook with 486 25+ Mhz processor, 12 MB memory, and 33 MB disk, I would be interested in selling the software CD, PCMCIA card, and microphone for $200 plus shipping. I also have a copy of IBM VTD 3.0 (current list $665) which requires a 90 MHz pentium with 256K L2 cache, 16MB RAM, 30MB disk, and either MWAVE or Sound Blaster 16 (or 100% compatible) sound card for sale -- also $200 plus shipping. I personally enjoyed using both of these products on slower notebooks -- experiencing a phenomenal 95% to 97% recognition accuracy after "enrollment" (providing a required speech sample to the software) and a few days dictation. I am now experimenting with continuous speech recognition system on a higher speed notebook -- so I am selling both of my two previous discrete speech recognition systems. Thanks, Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. UCLA School of Medicine IBM VTD 1.32 Detailed Product Description http://www.well-spoken.com/prod-s1.htm IBM VTD 1.32 Downloadable Demo http://www.well-spoken.com/demo-vt1.htm IBM VTD 1.32 Computer Shopper review http://www5.zdnet.com/cshopper/content/9607/cshp0038.html IBM VTD 1.32 Technical Support Faq http://www.software.ibm.com/workgroup/voicetyp/faq132.html IBM VTD 1.32 & 3.0 Commercial Pricing http://www.voicerecognition.com/ibm/pricing.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 10:15:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA277562147; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:15:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06785; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:03:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06292; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from venus.teamquest.com (venus.teamquest.com [199.120.249.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06250; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:02:55 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (smtpgtwy.teamquest.com [199.120.249.99]) by venus.teamquest.com (8.6.9/8.6.11) with SMTP id JAA05699 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:02:20 -0600 Received: from ccMail by smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA887640990; Mon, 16 Feb 98 08:56:33 -0600 Message-Id: <9802168876.AA887640990@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 09:02:16 -0600 To: Subject: 760ELD hard drive upgrading. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What hard drives will work in a 760ELD (9547-u3f)? (2gb or larger). Will I have to upgrade BIOS? What are some good sources? (vendors). Presently have a 810mb drive original from the factory. I would like to keep the present hard drive in its current shell and purchase another shell with the new one if possible. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 10:49:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA282084191; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:49:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08730; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:39:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08527; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:39:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from services.state.mo.us (services.state.mo.us [168.166.2.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08514; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 10:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mmillsl ([168.166.5.7]) by services.state.mo.us (8.8.3/8.8.0) with SMTP id JAA10769 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:39:12 -0600 (CST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:47:51 -0600 Message-Id: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F010177130@ECOEXCHG> From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: "lmills@socket.net" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FRSTN (fast response super twisted nematic) screens Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:36:12 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I've recently seen some TPs with this type of screen showing up as refurbs. I have never heard of this technology. Can somebody shed some light on it for me? Thanks, Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 16:34:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA036824890; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:34:50 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28205; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:24:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27863; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27849; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-44.d.enteract.com (usrx2-44.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.44]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id PAA25166 for ; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:24:16 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: FRSTN (fast response super twisted nematic) screens Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:24:35 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34e9adf2.113352587@mail.enteract.com> References: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F010177130@ECOEXCHG> In-Reply-To: <11CAB408A12BD1119C3D40000104F010177130@ECOEXCHG> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:36:12 -0600, you wrote: >I've recently seen some TPs with this type of screen showing up as refurbs. > I have never heard of this technology. Can somebody shed some light on it >for me? Just one of the many new euphemisms for dual scan displays. Now that buyers are wising up to things like display and processor types, makers are learning how to put some spin on terminology to throw newbies off. "Fast-response," "High Contrast Addressing" and so on are the new catch-phrases for DSTNs nowadays. While some of the displays are better than previous duals, they still don't compare to TFT. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 18:35:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA055092149; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:35:49 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04247; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:25:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04083; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:25:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04070; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:25:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from p13.hwts15.loop.net (p13.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.238]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA01661; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:24:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802162324.PAA01661@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "lmills@socket.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 15:22:32 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FRSTN (fast response super twisted nematic) screens Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:36:12 -0600, Lewis Mills wrote: >Hi, >I've recently seen some TPs with this type of screen showing up as refurbs. > I have never heard of this technology. Can somebody shed some light on it >for me? Yeah, I think it's just dual scan screens with a faster response, which allows them to be a good alternative to TFT LCDs, though not that close. The response time is supposed to be faster, thus having less ghosting. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 4d 17h 43m 53s 39ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 22:20:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA091075641; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:20:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13322; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:15:09 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13106; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:15:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13094; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from infinia ([12.67.84.15]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA4069 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:43:12 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley Chen" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: 760XD/XL parts Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:46:44 -0600 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980217024311.AAA4069@infinia> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To those of you who use the TP 760XD or XL out there that might be interested. I came across some parts for this machine offered at auction on EBAY. It seems to be the outboard floppy (which could probably be use on other machines: please help me with this Paul or Lewis) with cable and CD-Rom as well as some misc. other cables. If you are interested, the auction can be found at //cayman.ebay.com/aw/index.html. The item number is 6031402 under the Computer then Portable headings. Although I don't have any connection to this auction, I have managed to find several IBM parts of use to me in the last few months at very reasonable prices if you go in for that sort of thing. Like a 701 Nimh battery for $28! Stanley K. Chen Complex Director Texas Tech University Box 41141 Lubbock, TX 79409-1141 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 23:09:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA097948554; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:09:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14920; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:05:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:04:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14841; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14781; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from p07.hwts11.loop.net (p07.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.112]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA01993; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:03:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802170403.UAA01993@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net" , "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 20:01:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760XD/XL parts Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:46:44 -0600, Stanley Chen wrote: >To those of you who use the TP 760XD or XL out there that might be >interested. I came across some parts for this machine offered at auction on >EBAY. It seems to be the outboard floppy (which could probably be use on >other machines: please help me with this Paul or Lewis) Gosh, I'm not too sure. I bet there's something on IBM's site (or I could check on the ThinkPad Assistant). BTW, does anyone still want the ThinkPad Assistant? It doesn't go up to all the faster models, but is still useful for some of the older 560's, 760's, etc. . Like a 701 Nimh battery for $28! > That was a good find, but I don't yet have a credit card, so that's 1 problem with getting cheap parts from online auctions. :( -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 4d 22h 22m 52s 7ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 23:32:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA101589968; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:32:48 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15724; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:24:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15621; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:23:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15609; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:22:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.67.84.250]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA3689; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 04:22:27 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: 760XD/XL parts Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:29:07 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980217042226.AAA3689@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > That was a good find, but I don't yet have a credit card, so that's 1 problem > with getting cheap parts from online auctions. :( Hi Paul, Most of the transactions on lower priced items on these auctions are conducted through the use of money orders or checks. Although it is somewhat of a leap of faith, most of the seller seem to be dealers who sell online over and over again. Ebay is also a registered auction where you can find out what people who have conducted business with the seller/buyer can find out any negative or positive feedback on each other. Also some sellers will send the items C.O.D. especially if it is something big. Oh, by the way, I might need to email you directly sometime in the next month or so as I've now acquired a second HDD and am planning on loading OS/2 v.3 on it to see for myself what the relative merits are. I know I'll probably run into a few bugs, but am looking forward to getting my PCMCIA HDD to work. You wouldn't happen to know where I might look to find someone selling the old OS/2 Lotus Smartsuite would you? Now, if I could only find someone at IBM who will sell me another caddy for my 701! The people in the Direct parts department are useless. I was totally unable to convince them there was such a thing as a HDD caddy or the little plastic doo-hicky on the end of the battery!!! Oh, by the way, I've found a local bookstore who is selling out a massive amount a "old" computer books prices at $6 to $10. And there are a ton of OS/2 books by Sybex and Que. Let me know if you are interested. Stan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 23:40:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103070428; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:40:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16530; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:38:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16438; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:38:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16370; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:35:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03407; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:35:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id UAA16599; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:35:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:35:05 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Paul Khoury Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: 760XD/XL parts In-Reply-To: <199802170403.UAA01993@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > (or I could check on the ThinkPad Assistant). > BTW, does anyone still want the ThinkPad Assistant? It doesn't go up to > all the faster models, but is still useful for some of the older 560's, > 760's, etc. > What is the thinkpad assistant? Patrick West ,Team OS/2 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 23:50:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA103861003; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:50:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17272; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:48:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17196; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (mail2.deltanet.com [199.171.190.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17183; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pepceo (anx-ana5053.deltanet.com [205.230.215.53]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21315; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:47:07 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980216193305.0077e2a8@pop.deltanet.com> X-Sender: pepsales@pop.deltanet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:33:05 -0800 To: "Siegfried Hanisch" From: Leonard Wesson Subject: Re: 701 upgrade Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199802141518.PAA51246@out5.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Siggi, At 04:14 PM 2/14/98 +0200, you wrote: >Hi > >I know this must have been asked 100 times before on this list, but anyway: > >I currently have a 701CS with 360MB HDD, 486DX 75MHz, 16MB RAM (8 + 8). >Since I like this machine, I want to upgrade it. What are the "biggest" >- HDD Currently 4GB is the largest HDD. >- processor AMD 5x86/100 or 133 depending on board revision. DX4/75 to 5x86/100 results in a 25 to 30% increase in overall speed. >- MB expansions 40MB is the maximum amount of RAM for your system. >available for this machine, and where can I buy them? (I live in >Vienna/Austria/Europe, but if these things can be ordered via the Internet, a >supplier in the US should be no problem). We have all of them available with special pricing for the Thinkpad List. However, the CPU is not user installable. It is a surface mount processor and must be installed here at PEP. >Thanx > Siggi > > > > >Greetings # Quick to judge > Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger >=====================================# Slow to understand >siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice >ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear >=====================================# Walk hand in hand >http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" >PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # > Best Regards, Leonard email: pepsales@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM 800-737-7693 714-418-0113 Tel 714-418-0117 Fax Up to 10GB for your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com >> Please include this entire message for reference << From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 16 23:51:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA104021116; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:51:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17523; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:49:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17362; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.deltanet.com (mail2.deltanet.com [199.171.190.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17322; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pepceo (anx-ana5053.deltanet.com [205.230.215.53]) by mail2.deltanet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA21755; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:48:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980216202505.00b6e894@pop.deltanet.com> X-Sender: pepsales@pop.deltanet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:25:05 -0800 To: From: Leonard Wesson Subject: Re: 760ELD hard drive upgrading. Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9802168876.AA887640990@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:02 AM 2/16/98 -0600, you wrote: > > What hard drives will work in a 760ELD (9547-u3f)? (2gb or larger). A 2GB, 3GB & 4GB will work in your system. A 5GB 17mm unit should work in your system. > Will I have to upgrade BIOS? We always recommend upgrading the BIOS. > What are some good sources? (vendors). We have them available as well as Thinkpads.com. > Presently have a 810mb drive original from the factory. I would like > to keep the present hard drive in its current shell and purchase > another shell with the new one if possible. > Thanks. > Shells are available from both of us. I'll email you current pricing. Best Regards, Leonard email: pepsales@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM 800-737-7693 714-418-0113 Tel 714-418-0117 Fax Up to 10GB for your Notebook! WEB: http://www.portables.com >> Please include this entire message for reference << From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 00:59:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA115835194; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:59:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20702; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:57:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20601; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:57:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20573; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p26.hwts15.loop.net (p26.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.251]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA15032; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:55:19 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802170555.VAA15032@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 21:53:17 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760XD/XL parts Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Hi Paul, > >Most of the transactions on lower priced items on these auctions are >conducted through the use of money orders or checks. ... Also some sellers >will send the items C.O.D. especially if it is something big. Ahh, so that's how it works. I don't know how long I won't have a credit card, but I don't really think I want one anyways. :) You wouldn't happen to know where I might look to find someone >selling the old OS/2 Lotus Smartsuite would you? Actually, there is the Smartsuite beta out now which is a 30 something MB DL that you can get. I haven't got it because A. lack of space, B. 9600bps is TOO SLOW (and don't even think about the ThinkPad @ 14.4 either!). Now, if I could only find >someone at IBM who will sell me another caddy for my 701! The people in the >Direct parts department are useless. I was totally unable to convince them >there was such a thing as a HDD caddy or the little plastic doo-hicky on >the end of the battery!!! That sounds like IBM. They can't even ship out the plastic decal that says "IBM ThinkPad" in colored letters (on the outside and sometimes the inside), or the mouse buttons. You might be better off getting it from a third party dealer. Oh, by the way, I've found a local bookstore who >is selling out a massive amount a "old" computer books prices at $6 to $10. >And there are a ton of OS/2 books by Sybex and Que. Let me know if you are >interested. > Definately, depending on what is there. Particulary TCP/IP networking, getting OS/2 credentials, programming, etc. Privately email about it. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 91 Threads. This machine's uptime is 5d 0h 14m 38s 656ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 01:13:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA119335983; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:13:03 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21607; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:11:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21524; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21504; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from p26.hwts15.loop.net (p26.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.251]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA16831; Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:09:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802170609.WAA16831@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" Cc: "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 98 22:07:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760XD/XL parts Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:35:05 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> (or I could check on the ThinkPad Assistant). >> BTW, does anyone still want the ThinkPad Assistant? It doesn't go up to >> all the faster models, but is still useful for some of the older 560's, >> 760's, etc. >> > > >What is the thinkpad assistant? > It is a .INF file viewed natively from within OS/2, or the Windows 3.x and above viewer (for other .INF files). It shows specs of almost all the ThinkPads up to maybe a 100MHz 560 or something like that. Anyways, it has specs, OS's supported (except Linux), cpu, memory, weight, etc. I can setup my website again (at the address in the signature), and make sure it's downloadable. Okay, I got it up (before sending this message). Except for my old email address still there (earthlink.net), it should be fixed. For you Windows users that want to get the ThinkPad Assistant, check out the Windows section for the OS/2 .INF viewer. Regards, -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 26 Processes with 100 Threads. This machine's uptime is 5d 0h 28m 48s 0ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 02:48:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA132731732; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:48:52 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24622; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:48:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:46:16 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24519; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from megsinet.net (mail.megsinet.net [208.133.72.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24506; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 02:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from randolphmax2-39.megsinet.net(randolphmax1-101.megsinet.net[208.133.78.101]) (1822 bytes) by megsinet.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:46:05 -0600 (CST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #12 built 1998-Feb-6) Received: by randolphmax2-39.megsinet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BD3B46.7A0A8060@randolphmax2-39.megsinet.net>; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:50:51 -0600 Message-Id: <01BD3B46.7A0A8060@randolphmax2-39.megsinet.net> From: Dennis Pantazis To: "'lmills@socket.net'" , Thinkpad Listserv , "'David Ross'" Subject: RE: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:47:43 -0600 Encoding: 31 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have you tried HWDIAG.EXE which is on the OSR2 release of Win95 (NOT the one that comes with TP's). It should show device conflicts etc...its under the misc directory I think..I found it on the Win95/MSPlus Pack CD. Have you made multiple configurations of your HW? for example... HWConfig1: Just base OS & drivers for system (default factory config) Current: HWConfig1 + devices like modem/Ethernet + IR (No Serial) Extra: HWConfig1 + CD-ROM/PCMCIA combo + Serial (No IR) There is a practical limit here, I think it only goes up to 4 or 5 total configurations...also watch your BIOS settings, they will have to match the HW configs, note the IR/Serial above. Dennis chessie@megsinet.net David Ross wrote: > > Recently I've tried to start my TP560 in the Windows95 'safe' mode (to > check > for a tape driver conflict); it gives me the 'safe mode' screen, then > hangs. > No problems booting in regular mode. Anyone else have this problem? > Any > suggestions from W95 gurus? (I've tried the obvious stuff, like > selectively > avoiding various drivers on a boot to DOS then running win /d:m.) > > - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 05:12:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA148960346; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:12:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29435; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:10:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29316; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29304; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA16974; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:08:13 -1000 Message-Id: <000701bd3b8c$48115e80$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: TP600 announced Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 00:10:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just saw the announcement of the new TP600; looks good, but I sure hope they don't stop making the 560 (since discontinuing a form factor means repairs need to use increasing used parts, or so it seemed with my 701). See http://news.com/News/Item/0,4,19190,00.html - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 13:45:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA209281140; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:45:40 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01535; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:28:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00850; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:28:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00793; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slip-32-100-14-102.fl.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-14-102.fl.us.ibm.net [32.100.14.102]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA82216 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 18:27:46 GMT Message-Id: <34EA000C.36BB@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:24:28 -0800 From: "Lawrence J. Schipper" Reply-To: lschipp@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad User Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In response to the request in the welcoming message, I am forwarding the following data: Lawrence J. Schipper 3 Carriage Court Mount Laurel, NJ 08054-1347 E-Mail lschipp@ibm.net Machine: IBM Thinkpad 755CE 9545 Memory: 40 Megabytes Disk Capacity 340 Megabytes Operating System Windows 3.11 Removable Hard Drive SYJET External SCSI External CD Rom Drive Panasonic KXL-D740 Telephone/FAX Faxworks 3.0g.058 Major Software Excel 5.0, Wordperfect for Windows 6.0, Option Trader 3.1, Lotus Organizer 1.12, Family Tree Maker 4.0a Browser Netscape Navigator 3.0 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 15:00:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA221155622; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:00:22 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05881; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05505; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pear.epix.net (grape.epix.net [199.224.64.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05478; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mohotta (tmbg-115ppp64.epix.net [199.224.115.64]) by pear.epix.net (8.8.7/8.8.5/970414Scott Paul) with SMTP id OAA10589 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 14:44:15 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802171944.OAA10589@pear.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-To: jt@epix.net Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 14:39:51 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Which external CDROM to buy? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46 b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For my 755CE (no cdrom) running os2 warp I'm looking for a drive. I've seen both a Backpack bantam and also a disctec (this from Indelible Blue) that allegedly have OS2 drivers, both are in the $210-220 range. Any preferences? -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Borrow money from pessimists--they don't expect it back. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 17 17:36:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.8/16.2) id AA249834998; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:36:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15375; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15132; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from wuff.mayn.de (root@wuff.mayn.de [194.95.209.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14848; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:19:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from datenbus.mayn.de(really [194.95.209.23]) by wuff.mayn.de via smail with smtp id for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:15:10 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #1 built DST-Jun-10) Received: from bedrock by datenbus.mayn.de with uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0y4vIv-000tj5A; Tue, 17 Feb 98 23:15 CET Received: by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:50:36 +0100 Message-Id: <34ea062c.bedrock@bedrock.mayn.de> From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 22:50:34 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 X-Mailer-Gate: PMMail<->UUPC/extended Gateway v1.01 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 760ED, OS/2 Warp 4, Problem with Xircom CCE3 - solved! Sender: Rainer Feuerstein Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Dec 19, 1997, I told you about my problems with a Xircom CreditCard Ethernet Adapter 10/100 and Adaptec's SlimSCSI (1460A) in a TP760ED (see below). I asked several people, even IBMers, but no one could solve my problem. I spent a lot of time on it, and today I found a solution: On the Device Driver Pak Online Web Site is a driver named SS2PCIC.SYS which supports, among others, TI's 1130A CardBus Controller. And this is the Controller in my 760ED. So I removed IBM's drivers from my config.sys and loaded SS2PCIC.SYS /S0=1 instead: Now both the Xircom (in Slot 2) and the Adaptec work at the same time. I just wondered why IBM has an "official" driver for the 760ED that does not work in this case, whereas there's a generic BETA driver that works without problems. This was the mail I referred to: =========================================================================== Hi! A question about Socket Servives on OS/2 (Warp v4 on a TP760ED): On OS/2, there are 2 drivers for Socket Services: IBM2SS04.SYS is for R2-PCIC (whatever that means) IBM2SS14.SYS is for CardBus OS/2's online help tells me that "/s0=1" can be specified as a parameter in order to make the driver believe that there is only one sock$ possibilities (IBM2SS04, IBM2SS14 or both) with a 3com 3c589d inserted in socket 2 (and my Adaptec 1460 in socket 1). I thought that the 3com won't work when I found the right choice. But it worked. In any case, "Plug and Play for PCMCIA" detected 2 sockets. So I replaced the 3com with the Xircom. With choice 1 (IBM2SS04), it stopped booting when loading the Xircom driver. Same with choice 2 (IBM2SS14) and 3. rem-ing out IBM2SS14 makes the Xircom work, but then the Adaptec driver fails to load. rem-ing out IBM2SS04 makes the Adaptec work, but not the Xircom. Now, is there any way to have a PnP Card in one Socket and a card with direct enabler in the other? This is the relevant part from my config.sys: -------------------------------------------------------------------- 88: BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS 95: rem Socket Services (R2-PCIC): 96: BASEDEV=IBM2SS04.SYS /s0=1 97: rem Socket Services (CardBus): 98: BASEDEV=IBM2SS14.SYS /s0=1 100: BASEDEV=AUTODRV2.SYS 102: DEVICE=E:\OS2\BOOT\$ICPMOS2.SYS 134: CALL=E:\OS2\CMD.EXE /Q /C E:\MPTN\BIN\MPTSTART.CMD >NUL 135: RUN=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NBTCP.EXE 136: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBEUI.OS2 137: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\TCPBEUI.OS2 138: DEVICE=E:\IBMLAN\NETPROG\RDRHELP.200 139: IFS=E:\IBMLAN\NETPROG\NETWKSTA.200 /I:E:\IBMLAN /N 140: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIOS.OS2 142: DEVICE=E:\IBMCOM\MACS\CE3NDIS.OS2 385: BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD 386: BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD /V -------------------------------------------------------------------- Comments are welcome. I don't know what else I could try. =========================================================================== --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 18 00:26:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA107629576; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:26:16 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01044; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:17:25 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00692; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00678; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts02.loop.net (p19.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.94]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06488; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:15:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802180515.VAA06488@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jt@epix.net" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 98 21:14:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Which external CDROM to buy? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 17 Feb 98 14:39:51 -0500, Julian Thomas wrote: >For my 755CE (no cdrom) running os2 warp I'm looking for a drive. I've >seen both a Backpack bantam and also a disctec (this from Indelible Blue) >that allegedly have OS2 drivers, both are in the $210-220 range. Any >preferences? > You might think about a PCMCIA SCSI card and an external CD-ROM (if you have a power source), since you can hook up a scanner, HD, tape drive, etc. also. I think the Sony and Panasonic CD-ROMs have OEM SCSI cards anyways, and some of the Panasonic CD-ROMs have come down (the PCMCIA ones). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 13h 50m 12s 39ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 18 18:06:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260083162; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:06:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01252; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:02:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:58:50 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00898; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:58:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00874; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:58:30 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0001.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0y5I5h-0003lsC; Wed, 18 Feb 98 16:35 CST X400-Originator: John.Black@BNSF.COM X400-Recipients: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNSF/ADMD=IBMMAIL/C=US/;0043400004287431000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0043400004287431000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)THINKPAD(a)CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:49:09 -0600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK, I give up... I tried to format the D: which is the ultra bay. It is also the letter that is shared with the CDROM. Now the !@#$!@#$ thing will not boot. I keep getting this message While initializing device IOS: Windows protection error. You need to restart your computer. I have already tried running the IOS fixes available and these do not help. I have tried running the RMM fix, no help. Any other ideas ????? THX JEB From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 18 20:38:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA288022310; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:38:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08033; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:36:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:34:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07834; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:34:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07822; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p20.hwts14.loop.net (p20.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.215]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA17243; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802190131.RAA17243@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John.Black@BNSF.COM" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 98 17:31:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:49:09 -0600, John.Black@BNSF.COM wrote: > OK, > I give up... I tried to format the D: which is the ultra bay. It is > also the letter that is shared with the CDROM. Now the !@#$!@#$ thing > will not boot. I keep getting this message > While initializing device IOS: Windows protection error. You need > to restart your computer. > > I have already tried running the IOS fixes available and these do not > help. I have tried running the RMM fix, no help. Any other ideas > ????? > You did this from a boot floppy? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 79 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 20m 27s 218ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 18 22:22:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA004728550; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:22:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12022; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:16:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11905; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [207.86.192.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11884; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:15:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22899 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:17:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:17:53 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi guys, I just joined the list, and I normally would lurk for a while, but I really need to get cracking. I recently got several Thinkpad 360C's. I thought they were faster computers (486 DX4-100s) but as it turns out they are only 486SX-33s. A company called Corporate Upgrades is willing to upgrade these computers to Am5x86-133 chips, however, for $398, I could probably do better. Has anyone tried this upgrade? Is the Am5x86 pin compatible with the 486SX-33? My 486SX-33 is 208pin, surface mount, and the AMD chip is available also as a 208 pin surface mount chip. Are there any other ways to upgrade these computers? Maybe I can swap system boards? Any help would be appreciated. My next problem is the computers need hard drives. However, what drives will fit? The height isn't a factor, but the 360C appears to need a hard drive cradle/adaptor to fit a standard 2.5inch drive. Can I get one of these cradles? Does the 360C have a bios limit on size of the Hard Drive? I also received some PCMCIA cards. One is a IBM 14.4 Data/Fax modem with an integrated DAA. It's missing the cable adaptor... can I get one of these cables? On the back of the modem card, it has a flash upload feature. Does anyone know where flash upgrades can be obtained for this modem? Can I flash it to 28.8 or 33.6? (I doubt it, but it's worth asking) The final question I have is about the PCMCIA Token Ring card I got with it. It's a IBM Token Ring 16/4. Unfortunately, I didn't get the cable adapter with this either. Can I get a card for this? Sorry to be so winded, but I really need to get some use out of at least one 360C. The two others will probably end up used for parts. I'm sure in the next few weeks, I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions, since IBM's web site is pretty lame in respect to the 360C. Thanx in advance. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 09:39:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA089139196; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:39:56 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12520; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:33:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12346; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:33:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12322; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:33:50 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0001.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0y5WyI-0003dFC; Thu, 19 Feb 98 08:29 CST X400-Originator: John.Black@BNSF.COM X400-Recipients: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNSF/ADMD=IBMMAIL/C=US/;0043400004293015000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0043400004293015000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)THINKPAD(a)CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: Re[2]: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:42:28 -0600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No, I closed windows and told him to reboot to MS-DOS prompt. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Author: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu at Internet Date: 2/18/98 10:11 PM On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:49:09 -0600, John.Black@BNSF.COM wrote: > OK, > I give up... I tried to format the D: which is the ultra bay. It is > also the letter that is shared with the CDROM. Now the !@#$!@#$ thing > will not boot. I keep getting this message > While initializing device IOS: Windows protection error. You need > to restart your computer. > > I have already tried running the IOS fixes available and these do not > help. I have tried running the RMM fix, no help. Any other ideas > ????? > You did this from a boot floppy? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 79 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 20m 27s 218ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 09:54:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA090870097; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:54:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14453; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:49:38 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14278; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:49:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw00.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw00.execpc.com [169.207.16.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14246; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from earth (hseaman@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw00.execpc.com (8.8.8) id IAA20662 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:49:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:49:18 -0600 (CST) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: seeking 2.5 in adapter Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I will be upgrading the hard drive in my 750c. To do the transfer, it would be nice to be able to connect the 2.5 inch notebook dive to a desktop computer. Could anyone suggest a source for a 3.5 to 2.5 inch connecting cable? Altenatively, is there a way to temporarily connect a scond hard drive to the notebook in order to perform the transfer? thanks... harry seaman hseaman@execpc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 12:42:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA113800151; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:42:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26876; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:39:10 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26740; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:39:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26713; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:38:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA11220 for ; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:38:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20614; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:38:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:38:46 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 750 or 755 battery in a 360 cse Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks The local discount places is closing in a week. They have some batteries for the 750 and some others for the 755. I recall that one of these would work in the 360 but not which one. So anyone know? Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 12:42:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA113850155; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:42:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26879; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:37:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26598; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:37:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26378; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:36:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10750; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA20458; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:36:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:36:15 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: Harry Seaman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: seeking 2.5 in adapter In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Harry Seaman wrote: > I will be upgrading the hard drive in my 750c. To do the transfer, it > would be nice to be able to connect the 2.5 inch notebook dive to a > desktop computer. > Could anyone suggest a source for a 3.5 to 2.5 inch > connecting cable? These are a stock item at many parts places. > Altenatively, is there a way to temporarily connect a > scond hard drive to the notebook in order to perform the transfer? Computer Discount Warehouse had some Thinkpad hd upgrades that came with a device to do just that. I've tossed the catalog, like Mobile Planet. > thanks... > harry seaman > hseaman@execpc.com > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 14:52:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137897931; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:52:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05206; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:41:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05022; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04978; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:39:34 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Patrick West" , Subject: Re: 750 or 755 battery in a 360 cse Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:41:52 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd3d6e$6d887c00$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The TP 750 battery works in a TP 360.. Very nicely. How much are they ? Who has them ? ..peter.. -----Original Message----- >Folks > >The local discount places is closing in a week. They have some batteries >for the 750 and some others for the 755. I recall that one of these would >work in the 360 but not which one. > >So anyone know? > >Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 15:07:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140518819; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:06:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06314; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:01:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06225; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06212; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 15:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:00:36 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Stephen Amadei" Cc: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:02:52 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd3d71$5c8bb360$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a bunch of these caddies. All used but OK. Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot of plastic trimming.) Caddy by itself $35 US 3rd party caddies are over $50 and ugly ;-} 170 Mb Disk by itself $35 US Disk and Caddy $59 Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much over $4 Warrany ? Against DOA .... ..peter.. 604-222-7384 work and voice mail vancouver CANADA The TP bios will handle any? (up to 8.4 Gig ) HD The AMD is pin compatible with the i486SX .The Clock multiplier pins need to be set correctly though. How is you surface mount soldering skill (grin) AMD has /had a booklet describing what changes needed to be made to migrate an existing design to to AMD DX-4 >Hi guys, > >I just joined the list, and I normally would lurk for a while, but I >really need to get cracking. > >I recently got several Thinkpad 360C's. I thought they were faster >computers (486 DX4-100s) but as it turns out they are only 486SX-33s. >A company called Corporate Upgrades is willing to upgrade these computers >to Am5x86-133 chips, however, for $398, I could probably do better. >Has anyone tried this upgrade? Is the Am5x86 pin compatible with the >486SX-33? My 486SX-33 is 208pin, surface mount, and the AMD chip is >available also as a 208 pin surface mount chip. > >Are there any other ways to upgrade these computers? Maybe I can swap >system boards? Any help would be appreciated. > >My next problem is the computers need hard drives. However, what drives >will fit? The height isn't a factor, but the 360C appears to need a >hard drive cradle/adaptor to fit a standard 2.5inch drive. Can I get >one of these cradles? Does the 360C have a bios limit on size of the >Hard Drive? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 16:23:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155153403; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:23:23 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10492; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:06:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10230; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:06:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [207.86.192.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10205; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA25851; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: Harry Seaman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: seeking 2.5 in adapter In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Harry Seaman wrote: > I will be upgrading the hard drive in my 750c. To do the transfer, it > would be nice to be able to connect the 2.5 inch notebook dive to a > desktop computer. Could anyone suggest a source for a 3.5 to 2.5 inch > connecting cable? Altenatively, is there a way to temporarily connect a > scond hard drive to the notebook in order to perform the transfer? > thanks... Dirt Cheap Drives has a 2.5 to 3.5 IDE adaptor available for $22. The number is 1-800-473-0960, or http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 16:30:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156963835; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:30:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11171; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:18:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11039; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11024; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA22346; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA10804; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:17:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:17:03 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 or 755 battery in a 360 cse In-Reply-To: <01bd3d6e$6d887c00$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Egghead surplus on 122nd off of Sandy in Portland, Or. But forget it unless you are in the area in the next week. This store doesn't do phone requests, is closing in a week. The have them at $199.00 for the 750 and $149.00 for the 755. But because they are closing they are on a 50% discount this last week. On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > The TP 750 battery works in a TP 360.. Very nicely. > How much are they ? > Who has them ? > ..peter.. > -----Original Message----- > > > >Folks > > > >The local discount places is closing in a week. They have some batteries > >for the 750 and some others for the 755. I recall that one of these would > >work in the 360 but not which one. > > > >So anyone know? > > > >Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 > >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D > >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > > > > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 16:35:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157624137; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:35:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12349; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:31:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12225; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12036; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:30:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26076; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:29:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA11857; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:29:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:29:51 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP Cc: Stephen Amadei , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding In-Reply-To: <01bd3d71$5c8bb360$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A question. I've heard that if one changes the drive in a caddy one must use something like Ontrack to get the system to see it? Is this true? On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > I have a bunch of these caddies. > All used but OK. > Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. > NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot > of plastic trimming.) > Caddy by itself $35 US 3rd party caddies are over $50 and ugly ;-} > 170 Mb Disk by itself $35 US > Disk and Caddy $59 > Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much over $4 > Warrany ? Against DOA .... > ..peter.. > 604-222-7384 work and voice mail > vancouver CANADA ============================================================================= Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 17:08:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA164056104; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:08:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14148; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:03:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14048; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14005; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:37:24 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Stephen Amadei" , "Harry Seaman" Cc: Subject: Re: seeking 2.5 in adapter Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:39:45 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd3d7e$e530dbc0$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://www.evertek.com/ $4.75 quantity one Adapter for 2.5 to 3.5 hard drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Product Code: ADA Part Number: 2.5HDDADA Description: Adapter for 2.5 to 3.5 hard drive Quantity: 9944 Warranty: 1 Year Unit Price:$ 4.75 Master Box Quantity: 100 Master Box Price:$ 3.70 Number Per Master Box: 100 Weight Per Unit: 1 Weight Per Master Box: 26 Dimensions of Master Box: 17x13x8 Condition: New Detailed Specs: ..peter.. Tell them you saw it via the 4reseller.com website The price below is a joke. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Amadei To: Harry Seaman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, February 19, 1998 1:10 PM Subject: Re: seeking 2.5 in adapter >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Harry Seaman wrote: > >> I will be upgrading the hard drive in my 750c. To do the transfer, it >> would be nice to be able to connect the 2.5 inch notebook dive to a >> desktop computer. Could anyone suggest a source for a 3.5 to 2.5 inch >> connecting cable? Altenatively, is there a way to temporarily connect a >> scond hard drive to the notebook in order to perform the transfer? >> thanks... > >Dirt Cheap Drives has a 2.5 to 3.5 IDE adaptor available for $22. The >number is 1-800-473-0960, or http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com > > ----Steve >Stephen Amadei >Director of MIS >Dandy Connections, Inc. >Atlantic City, NJ > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 17:14:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA165426449; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:14:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14367; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:05:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14204; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14189; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:45:30 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Patrick West" Cc: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:47:51 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd3d80$071707e0$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No ! Bioses above 1.4X (TP 750 family) should be good for 8.4Gig BUT The older HD's in the TP defaulted to master mode with NO jumper, new ones need a jumper or a bit of solder across the pins to look the same. Or was it the other way around (grin) This was mentioned some time ago ......somewhere in the archieves . IBM's mess of a web page does give pinouts for the HD's . Anything above the 540 was/is slightly different. ..peter.. >A question. I've heard that if one changes the drive in a caddy one must >use something like Ontrack to get the system to see it? > >Is this true? > >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > >> >> I have a bunch of these caddies. >> All used but OK. >> Will fit any 750 ,755, 360 machine. >> NOTE: don't fit in a 760 (well you can make them fit but....requires a lot >> of plastic trimming.) >> Caddy by itself $35 US 3rd party caddies are over $50 and ugly ;-} >> 170 Mb Disk by itself $35 US >> Disk and Caddy $59 >> Shipping is extra but shouldn't be much over $4 >> Warrany ? Against DOA .... >> ..peter.. >> 604-222-7384 work and voice mail >> vancouver CANADA >=========================================================================== == > >Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 19:14:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA194903699; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:14:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21048; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:09:21 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20868; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp5.teleport.com (smtp5.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20855; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 19:09:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp5.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA16550; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA24975; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:48 -0800 (PST) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:32 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, "Keith 'Zeet' Jewell" Subject: Re: FS: IBM Thinkpad 360PE Pen Convertible In-Reply-To: <34e40b4b.0@poobah.olywa.net> Message-Id: References: <34e40b4b.0@poobah.olywa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Keith, How did you get it to see 36 mb of RAM, Where did you buy it? I have a 360cse and am very interested in knowing On 13 Feb 1998, Keith 'Zeet' Jewell wrote: > I have for sale an IBM 360PE Pen Convertible laptop. > 36MB of RAM (standard is 4MB; IBM claims upgrade-able only to 20MB) > Patrick West ,using Pine 3.96 PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 22:20:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218244799; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:19:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29128; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:11:54 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29027; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29015; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA09621; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:09:27 -1000 Message-Id: <000701bd3dad$42b90460$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Dennis Pantazis" , , "Thinkpad Listserv" Subject: Re: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:11:36 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu (Responding to my difficulty in starting my TP560 in safe mode) >Have you tried HWDIAG.EXE which is on the OSR2 release of Win95 (NOT the >one that comes with TP's). It should show device conflicts etc...its under >the misc directory I think..I found it on the Win95/MSPlus Pack CD. Finally found it - doesn't show anything wrong (except the 'usual' game port problem) >Have you made multiple configurations of your HW? I tried a couple of 'smaller' configurations, but still couldn't boot to safe mode. The problem is that some problems - especially in the way things are entered in the registry - are invisible *except* in safe mode, so I'm in a sort of Catch-22 situation. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 19 22:23:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218795017; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:23:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00225; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:21:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29972; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29959; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 22:21:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA09682; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:18:51 -1000 Message-Id: <003401bd3dae$9324aca0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Patrick West" , "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: Subject: Re: 750 or 755 battery in a 360 cse Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:21:01 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Egghead surplus on 122nd off of Sandy in Portland, Or. But forget it >unless you are in the area in the next week. This store doesn't do phone >requests, is closing in a week. Of course, since Egghead now owns Surplus Direct (also in Oregon I think, maybe Hood River?) the latter might soon be selling them. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 00:01:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA234660891; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:01:31 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04732; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:59:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:58:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04611; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04594; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA11783; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:57:15 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200457.UAA11783@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John.Black@BNSF.COM" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 20:55:36 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re[2]: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:42:28 -0600, John.Black@BNSF.COM wrote: > No, I closed windows and told him to reboot to MS-DOS prompt. > Try it from a boot disk then. Take a blank or scratch disk, put it in the floppy drive, type "format x: /u /s", copy fdisk.*, scandisk.*, format.* to the disk, and reboot. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 6m 58s 632ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 00:06:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235201180; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:06:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05372; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:04:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:03:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05302; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05281; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12367; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:01:51 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200501.VAA12367@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Patrick West" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 21:00:17 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 750 or 755 battery in a 360 cse Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:38:46 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >Folks > >The local discount places is closing in a week. They have some batteries >for the 750 and some others for the 755. I recall that one of these would >work in the 360 but not which one. > >So anyone know? > Yeah, the 755's batteries. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 11m 37s 789ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 00:11:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA236411473; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:11:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06021; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:08:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:07:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05941; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:07:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05874; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12861; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:06:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200506.VAA12861@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Dennis Pantazis" , "lmills@socket.net" , "Thinkpad Listserv" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 21:04:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:11:36 -1000, David Ross wrote: >(Responding to my difficulty in starting my TP560 in safe mode) > >>Have you tried HWDIAG.EXE which is on the OSR2 release of Win95 (NOT the >>one that comes with TP's). It should show device conflicts etc...its under >>the misc directory I think..I found it on the Win95/MSPlus Pack CD. > > >Finally found it - doesn't show anything wrong (except the 'usual' game port >problem) > >>Have you made multiple configurations of your HW? > > >I tried a couple of 'smaller' configurations, but still couldn't boot to safe >mode. The problem is that some problems - especially in the way things are >entered in the registry - are invisible *except* in safe mode, so I'm in a >sort of Catch-22 situation. > Have you tried disabling Plug 'n Play yet? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 16m 10s 359ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 00:22:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238042146; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:22:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06344; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:09:40 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06191; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06152; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12789; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:05:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200505.VAA12789@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Keith 'Zeet' Jewell" , "Patrick West" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 21:04:09 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FS: IBM Thinkpad 360PE Pen Convertible Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:08:32 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >Keith, > >How did you get it to see 36 mb of RAM, Where did you buy it? >I have a 360cse and am very interested in knowing > > Sounds like the 701. IBM stated that the DX4 701 originally went to 24MB, but I suppose that a BIOS revision allowed up to 40MB (my goal ). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 15m 30s 187ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 00:41:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA241403277; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:41:17 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07698; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:34:22 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05746; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05467; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12568; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:03:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200503.VAA12568@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 21:02:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:29:51 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >A question. I've heard that if one changes the drive in a caddy one must >use something like Ontrack to get the system to see it? > >Is this true? > It all depends on the size of the drive and if the system's BIOS supports EIDE. You only need to worry if the drive is over 500MB. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 13m 27s 898ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 01:12:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA246425175; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:12:55 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05117; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:01:20 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04997; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04817; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA12039; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 20:59:28 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200459.UAA12039@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Harry Seaman" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 20:57:52 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: seeking 2.5 in adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:49:18 -0600 (CST), Harry Seaman wrote: >I will be upgrading the hard drive in my 750c. To do the transfer, it >would be nice to be able to connect the 2.5 inch notebook dive to a >desktop computer. Could anyone suggest a source for a 3.5 to 2.5 inch >connecting cable? Altenatively, is there a way to temporarily connect a >scond hard drive to the notebook in order to perform the transfer? The first one I purchased seems to be decent quality, but cost me 30 bucks. I'm using it right now with the 340MB drive on my server. Anyways, I can get them for 5-10 bucks, but I'm not sure offhand of where to get them. You might also need to set a jumper to make it slave or master, too. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 9m 14s 789ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 01:22:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA247605762; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:22:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05257; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:03:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:02:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05166; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:02:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05129; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA12295; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:01:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200501.VAA12295@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 20:59:42 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: seeking 2.5 in adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:36:15 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Harry Seaman wrote: > >> I will be upgrading the hard drive in my 750c. To do the transfer, it >> would be nice to be able to connect the 2.5 inch notebook dive to a >> desktop computer. > >> Could anyone suggest a source for a 3.5 to 2.5 inch >> connecting cable? >These are a stock item at many parts places. Not in my area. Only one place has them (my regular supplier); everyone else said I was out of luck (that was about 1.5 years ago). > > >> Altenatively, is there a way to temporarily connect a >> scond hard drive to the notebook in order to perform the transfer? >Computer Discount Warehouse had some Thinkpad hd upgrades that came with >a device to do just that. I've tossed the catalog, like Mobile Planet. > Yeah, I think a few companies make those kind. I know that Apricorn has a kit like that which is supposed to work in DOS/Windows 3.x/95, maybe NT, and OS/2. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 84 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 11m 2s 640ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 01:26:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248606003; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:26:43 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09596; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:24:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09440; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from loas.clark.net (root@mail.clark.net [168.143.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09428; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from shin_hw.clark.net (shin-hw.clark.net [168.143.13.19]) by loas.clark.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA10962 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:21:12 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD3D9D.D4F49340.shin_hw@clark.net> From: Henry Shin To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS:TP760E and SelectADock I with many upgrades - starting at $1 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 01:21:02 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's time to upgrade. I am selling my personal laptop and the whole setup. It is a perfect replacement for a desktop. TP760E sits on a SelectADock I with 4x cdrom, 2nd hard drive with adaptor, an internal floppy drive, and an external floppy drive. I put the setup on www.ebay.com for auction sale starting at $1. I have a lot more detailed info on the site. So, please check it out. And, email me in private if you have any questions. Henry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 02:32:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA257729938; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:32:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12802; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:30:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12697; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:30:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12659; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:30:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10931; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:28:00 -1000 Message-Id: <003f01bd3dd1$65e668a0$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Dennis Pantazis" , , "Thinkpad Listserv" Subject: Re: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:30:18 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul asked: >Have you tried disabling Plug 'n Play yet? OK Paul, I'll bite: do you really know of a way of disabling P&P in W95? Or is this a joke, and you're really implying I should switch to a different OS? - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 02:35:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA257940100; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:35:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12369; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:27:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12279; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:27:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12267; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10914; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:25:24 -1000 Message-Id: <003801bd3dd1$08dcf700$0200a8c0@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Patrick West" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:27:42 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>A question. I've heard that if one changes the drive in a caddy one must >>use something like Ontrack to get the system to see it? Paul wrote: >It all depends on the size of the drive and if the system's BIOS >supports EIDE. Surely you really mean LBA, not EIDE. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 02:36:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA258120214; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:36:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13155; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:35:08 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13085; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:35:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13073; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:35:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA29502; Thu, 19 Feb 1998 23:33:54 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200733.XAA29502@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Dennis Pantazis" , "lmills@socket.net" , "Thinkpad Listserv" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 98 23:32:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Can't start in 'safe' mode (W95) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 21:30:18 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Paul asked: > >>Have you tried disabling Plug 'n Play yet? > > >OK Paul, I'll bite: do you really know of a way of disabling P&P in W95? Or >is this a joke, and you're really implying I should switch to a different OS? > Nope, I'm dead serious. What happened to my system afterwards (no sound, 16 colors, etc.), I told myself I'd never put on Win95 on one of these systems again, but you can disable it. I found it did give me more control, but I didn't have time to mess around with it, and installed another OS (Linux), but anyways, yes, you should be able to do it. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 2h 43m 39s 710ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 03:01:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA261231701; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:01:41 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14253; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:55:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14101; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:55:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [207.86.192.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14089; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:54:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA28325; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:57:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:57:13 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding In-Reply-To: <01bd3d80$071707e0$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > No ! Bioses above 1.4X (TP 750 family) should be good for 8.4Gig > BUT The older HD's in the TP defaulted to master mode with NO jumper, new > ones need a jumper > or a bit of solder across the pins to look the same. > Or was it the other way around (grin) > This was mentioned some time ago ......somewhere in the archieves . > IBM's mess of a web page does give pinouts for the HD's . Anything above the > 540 was/is > slightly different. Any tips for finding this on IBM's web site? I've been beating on IBM's web pages for a week with no luck. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 03:05:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA261661942; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:05:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15038; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:03:49 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14917; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14892; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:03:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA02224; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:02:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200802.AAA02224@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Stephen Amadei" Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 00:03:26 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:57:13 -0500 (EST), Stephen Amadei wrote: >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > >> No ! Bioses above 1.4X (TP 750 family) should be good for 8.4Gig >> BUT The older HD's in the TP defaulted to master mode with NO jumper, new >> ones need a jumper >> or a bit of solder across the pins to look the same. >> Or was it the other way around (grin) >> This was mentioned some time ago ......somewhere in the archieves . >> IBM's mess of a web page does give pinouts for the HD's . Anything above the >> 540 was/is >> slightly different. > >Any tips for finding this on IBM's web site? I've been beating on IBM's >web pages for a week with no luck. > Try this, but I don't know if this is the correct URL: http://www.storage.ibm.com/HDDTech/ It's something like that. The HDD Tech support center in Rochester, MN can help with drive jumper settings. etc. That's where I got my data sheets. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 89 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 12m 29s 726ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 03:07:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA261812040; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:07:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15322; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:05:48 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15242; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [207.86.192.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15228; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:05:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA28377; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:07:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:07:58 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Patrick West Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding In-Reply-To: <199802200503.VAA12568@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:29:51 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: > > >A question. I've heard that if one changes the drive in a caddy one must > >use something like Ontrack to get the system to see it? > > > >Is this true? > > > It all depends on the size of the drive and if the system's BIOS > supports EIDE. > > You only need to worry if the drive is over 500MB. But this can be gotten around with those drive overlays? Right? ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 03:16:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA263212567; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:16:07 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16510; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:14:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:14:03 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16313; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:14:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16301; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from p19.hwts11.loop.net (p19.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.124]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA02963; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:11:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802200811.AAA02963@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen Amadei" Cc: "Patrick West" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 00:12:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 03:07:58 -0500 (EST), Stephen Amadei wrote: >On Thu, 19 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 13:29:51 -0800 (PST), Patrick West wrote: >> >> >A question. I've heard that if one changes the drive in a caddy one must >> >use something like Ontrack to get the system to see it? >> > >> >Is this true? >> > >> It all depends on the size of the drive and if the system's BIOS >> supports EIDE. >> >> You only need to worry if the drive is over 500MB. > >But this can be gotten around with those drive overlays? Right? > Correct. I don't know exactly how they work (or rather how to explain them, since I'm thinking about several other things simultaniously), but it allows EIDE drives to be used on regular IDE controllers. And David, about LBA, I've never seen a HD that ONLY works on LBA. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the drives parameters and how it's addressed, but not with the IDE/EIDE size barrier. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 90 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 3h 21m 12s 578ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 05:39:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA279001158; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:39:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29688; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:35:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:34:58 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29598; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29577; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 05:34:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0y5pmy-0001SiC; Fri, 20 Feb 98 02:34 PST Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0y5pmL-00018GC; Fri, 20 Feb 98 02:34 PST Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29635; Fri, 20 Feb 98 02:34:38 PST Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id CAA28850; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:40:29 -0800 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199802201040.CAA28850@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding In-Reply-To: <199802200802.AAA02224@stevie.loop.com> from Paul Khoury at "Feb 21, 98 00:03:26 am" To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:40:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, amadei@dandy.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > http://www.storage.ibm.com/HDDTech/ > > It's something like that. The HDD Tech support center in Rochester, MN > can help with drive jumper settings. etc. That's where I got my data sheets. > > -- > Paul Khoury > http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org > (If you get an error, then the server is not online) More exactly, :-} http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/ Serenella Ciongoli From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 10:23:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA009508227; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:23:47 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11933; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:19:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11680; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11668; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:18:53 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0001.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0y5u9m-0003dgC; Fri, 20 Feb 98 09:14 CST X400-Originator: John.Black@BNSF.COM X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=BNSF/ADMD=IBMMAIL/C=US/;0043400004303730000002] X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Message-Id: <0043400004303730000002*@MHS> To: " - (052)pkhoury(a)loop.com" , " - (052)thinkpad(a)cs.utk.edu" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: Re[4]: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:27:50 -0600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The IOS error is occurring even though I don't have the second HDD in the ultrabay. Something in windows95 got turned upside down, even with the format of the D: drive(second HDD) done in MS-DOS mode. Apparently MS-DOS keeps win95 up to date with possible hardware changes. I finally got things back up and running, I had to reload the root and windows subdirectory from a backup. Now, with a few exceptions of software that I have installed since the backup, everything seems to be running fine. THX. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: [TP760CD] IOS ERROR, HELP !!!!!!!!!!!! Author: pkhoury@loop.com at Internet Date: 2/19/98 11:13 PM On Thu, 19 Feb 1998 08:42:28 -0600, John.Black@BNSF.COM wrote: > No, I closed windows and told him to reboot to MS-DOS prompt. > Try it from a boot disk then. Take a blank or scratch disk, put it in the floppy drive, type "format x: /u /s", copy fdisk.*, scandisk.*, format.* to the disk, and reboot. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 6m 58s 632ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 11:16:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA018751378; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:16:18 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16470; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:13:31 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16308; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nd.edu (nd.edu [129.74.250.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16293; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:13:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by nd.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10428; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:13:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802201613.LAA10428@nd.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Gabriel Ash" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 20 Feb 98 11:14:56 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FS: 16mb for 701 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the 16mb dimm fot 701 for sale. 55+shipping o.b.o. send me an e-mail if interested PS. I also have 4 SIMMs 72pin of 4mb each. anyone wants them? Gabriel Ash Ash.1@nd.edu ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 12:29:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029285785; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:29:45 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22252; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:27:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:24:59 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22024; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgate.global.ibmmail.com (mailgate.global.ibmmail.com [204.146.55.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21909; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:24:23 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from f01n09t0.nccsch.advantis.com by mailgate.global.ibmmail.com (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/MSCP_1.00) id AA10948; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:20:40 -0500 Received: by f01n09t0.nccsch.advantis.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSCP_1.00) id AA119695; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 12:24:05 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:13:45 UT Subject: TP770 Suspend/Resume Problem To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Priority: NORMAL Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu All, We've got a ThinkPad 770 attached to an external monitor that goes to sleep in 800x600 but wakes up in 640x480. Does anyone know what might cause this? Thanks, Larry Flynt Dir of MIS The Rosewood Corporation From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 20 22:35:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA111942138; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:35:38 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23931; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:33:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:31:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23732; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23718; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from roosgroup.win.net (usr-tc-02-237.win.net [208.11.197.237]) by ns1.win.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA06043 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:28:08 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD3E4E.D1CBAF80.droos@RoosGroup.com> From: David Roos To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: WTB:760XD external diskette & video cable Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 22:27:57 -0500 Organization: The Roos Group X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking for an external caddy and connector for my diskette drive and a video cable for a TP760XD. Anyone have an extra they'd like to shed? Dave Roos The Roos Group Louisville, KY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 21 00:35:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA125819315; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:35:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26870; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:33:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26800; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26787; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:32:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from p24.hwts08.loop.net (p24.hwts08.loop.net [207.211.62.39]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA09872 for ; Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:31:30 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802210531.VAA09872@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 21:32:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701, 16MB Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I just found that a 16MB SO-DIMM from a Gateway 2K solo works fine in my 701, and it is FAST. Just thought I'd share this, as there must be a "standard" for 3.3V SO-DIMMS. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 0h 41m 19s 179ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 21 14:52:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA201720762; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:52:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21275; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:48:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21135; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:48:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21114; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 14:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from p14.hwts03.loop.net (p14.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.119]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA03149; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:47:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802211947.LAA03149@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Serenella Ciongoli" Cc: "amadei@dandy.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 21 Feb 98 06:53:20 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad 360C Hot Rodding Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >More exactly, :-} > >http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/ > > Thanks. I knew it was something like that. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 23 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 10h 2m 24s 226ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Feb 21 19:01:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA237785668; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 19:01:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27918; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:58:19 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27843; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27826; Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-234.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.234]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA05018 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:54:47 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802212354.AAA05018@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:56:48 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [755 CDV] Resolution under Win95 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running a 40M 755 CDV. Under Warp 4 I can achieve on an external monitor a 800 x 600 x 65536 resol= ution. But under Win95 (on the same machine) I can only have a 640 x 480 x 65536 r= esolution on the same external monitor. Any hint ? TIA Francois 02/22/98 00:48:45 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 22 17:13:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115905610; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:13:30 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10253; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 17:08:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:59:15 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09812; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:59:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09799; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA34982; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:57:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:57:55 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Solaris x86 on 770? Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone running Solaris x86 on a thinkpad 770. I'm rather unwilling to put out $5000 for this machine on the off chance that Solaris x86 will work on it (either 2.51 or 2.6) so if anyone's done it already I'd really like to know. TIA Josh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 22 23:08:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172046909; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:08:29 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19675; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:00:55 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19492; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19433; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from p00.hwts09.loop.net (p00.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.45]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22456; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:57:21 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802230357.TAA22456@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Francois Hurter" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 19:58:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [755 CDV] Resolution under Win95 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:56:48 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >I'm running a 40M 755 CDV. >Under Warp 4 I can achieve on an external monitor a 800 x 600 x 65536 resolution. >But under Win95 (on the same machine) I can only have a 640 x 480 x 65536 resolution on the same external >monitor. Do you have the latest drivers? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 6h 40m 35s 132ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 22 23:25:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174437905; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:25:05 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20393; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:17:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:16:00 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20272; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20258; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01ITW7UKRPOK9PRES7@cc.usu.edu> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:15:44 MST Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:15:51 -0700 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: [755 CDV] Resolution under Win95 To: Paul Khoury Cc: Francois Hurter , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Message-Id: <34F0F7F7.ED7CFC07@usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199802230357.TAA22456@stevie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try changing the monitor type to "unknown." You can do this in the display properties by selecting the advanced button on the settings property sheet. Next click on the monitor property sheet and change monitor type to unknown. That works for me on my 701cs. Greg A. Paul Khoury wrote: > > On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:56:48 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: > > >Hi, > >I'm running a 40M 755 CDV. > >Under Warp 4 I can achieve on an external monitor a 800 x 600 x 65536 resolution. > >But under Win95 (on the same machine) I can only have a 640 x 480 x 65536 resolution > on the same external > >monitor. > > Do you have the latest drivers? > > -- > Paul Khoury > http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org > (If you get an error, then the server is not online) > > Current system statistics: > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 1d 6h 40m 35s 132ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 22 23:55:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA178669732; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:55:32 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21781; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:54:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:53:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21680; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21646; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from p18.hwts04.loop.net (p18.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.153]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA00724; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:52:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802230452.UAA00724@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Joshua Hosseinof" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 20:53:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 16:57:55 -0500 (EST), Joshua Hosseinof wrote: >Anyone running Solaris x86 on a thinkpad 770. I'm rather unwilling to put >out $5000 for this machine on the off chance that Solaris x86 will work on >it (either 2.51 or 2.6) so if anyone's done it already I'd really like to >know. > I don't think it's that much. Isn't Solaris 2.5 for x86 around $500-$600? I might be able to buy a SPARCbook real cheap, and was looking at prices for Solaris. Your best bet might be to call them - 800-USE-SUNX (I have the catalog in front of me). Regards, -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 21 Processes with 82 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 0h 48m 27s 187ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Feb 22 23:58:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA179519907; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:58:27 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21576; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:50:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21490; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21477; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:50:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([153.37.193.201]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA20369; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:18 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: "Greg Alvandian" Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: [755 CDV] Resolution under Win95 Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:57:11 -0800 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980223045017.AAA20369@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Greg, I've run across a problem with a VGA to NTSC scan converter with my 701C and I was wondering whether you might know if your fix would work for it too. The instructions for the unit said to set the video to Generic monitor and 640 x 480, but I still don't get anything. Some of the literature states that the converter needs to input to be at 60mhz while I read somewhere that the 701 outputs at 72Mhz. So I'm wondering if that is the problem. I'd appreciate any help you can give me. Stanley K. Chen Texas Tech Univeristy: Dept of Housing & Dining s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net ---------- > From: Greg Alvandian > To: Paul Khoury > Cc: Francois Hurter ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: [755 CDV] Resolution under Win95 > Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 8:15 PM > > Try changing the monitor type to "unknown." You can do this in the > display properties by selecting the advanced button on the settings > property sheet. Next click on the monitor property sheet and change > monitor type to unknown. That works for me on my 701cs. > Greg A. > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 00:56:48 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: > > > > >Hi, > > >I'm running a 40M 755 CDV. > > >Under Warp 4 I can achieve on an external monitor a 800 x 600 x 65536 resolution. > > >But under Win95 (on the same machine) I can only have a 640 x 480 x 65536 resolution > > on the same external > > >monitor. > > > > Do you have the latest drivers? > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury > > http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org > > (If you get an error, then the server is not online) > > > > Current system statistics: > > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > > Revision 9.029 > > There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. > > This machine's uptime is 1d 6h 40m 35s 132ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 00:06:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180260368; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:06:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22641; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:58:43 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22428; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22393; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08169; Sun, 22 Feb 98 23:57:04 EST Date: Sun, 22 Feb 98 23:57:04 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802230457.AA08169@nile.gnat.com> To: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul said <> Paul, you missed the point of his message, he did not want to spend $5K on a *770* unless he is sure that SOlaris would run, he is not saying Solaris would cost $5K! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 00:30:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA183511800; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:30:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24179; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:24:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23952; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23934; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA04627; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:22:24 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802230522.VAA04627@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "hosseino@ymail.yu.edu" , "Robert Dewar" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 21:23:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 22 Feb 98 23:57:04 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: >Paul said > ><ght be >able to buy a SPARCbook real cheap, and was looking at prices for Solaris. > >Your best bet might be to call them - 800-USE-SUNX (I have the catalog in >front of me). > >Regards, >>> > >Paul, you missed the point of his message, he did not want to spend >$5K on a *770* unless he is sure that SOlaris would run, he is not >saying Solaris would cost $5K! > Oh, opps. Well, you could still call Sun and ask them if the machines' video card, PCMCIA, CD-ROM, etc. are supported. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 18m 44s 296ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 00:33:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA183691980; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:33:00 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24490; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:30:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:29:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24336; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24324; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:29:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08625; Mon, 23 Feb 98 00:28:29 EST Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 00:28:29 EST From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9802230528.AA08625@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, hosseino@ymail.yu.edu, pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu <> This information is all on the web site in quite convenient form. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 00:34:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA183762055; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:34:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24761; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:31:28 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24580; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24548; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 00:31:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA05354; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:29:43 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802230529.VAA05354@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "dewar@gnat.com" , "hosseino@ymail.yu.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 98 21:30:33 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 23 Feb 98 00:28:29 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: ><card, PCMCIA, CD-ROM, etc. are supported. >>> > >This information is all on the web site in quite convenient form. > You mean Sun or IBM, or both? -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 26m 4s 914ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 01:48:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA191676479; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:47:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26622; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:46:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:42:17 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26371; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26359; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from fr228.izap.com ([207.211.45.228]:2052 "EHLO izap.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by shell.izap.com with ESMTP id <227578-10283>; Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:41:55 -0800 Message-Id: <34F11AE3.5C0C50B1@izap.com> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:44:51 -0800 From: admin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: TP380D & X-windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anybody have experience with the TP 380D, RedHat LINUX (4.2) and a "working" X-Windows installation??? Any 380D users out their??? jg@izap.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 04:56:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214587817; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:56:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02610; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02140; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02115; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-237.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.237]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA13867 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:47:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802230947.KAA13867@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:49:02 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [755 CDV] Country setting problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Warp4 on a ThinkPad 755 CDV When I'm clicking System Setup and Country, on the first page I set the Country to Switzerland(FR) and after that I'm closing the window. But when I'm coming back, I can see that the system did not take care of my modification and has still Switzerland(GE) as the Country. How can I memorize this setting ? Thanks for help Francois 02/23/98 10:46:18 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 04:56:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214567817; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:56:57 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02612; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:26 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02138; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02116; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:50:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-237.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.237]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA13884 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:47:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802230947.KAA13884@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:49:08 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Bad Mwave installation (win95) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Win95 on a TP 755 CDV. Until recently I used Mwave 2.22 and everything worked well. I upgraded to Mwave 2.25 by deinstalling and reinstalling and I had Modem services but NO sound NOR Midi services.So I looked into the documentation and learned that I ought to proceed another way. So I deinstalled again and when rebooting I waited until Win95 asked me for a New Hardware (as written in the readme notice), but when inserting disk #1 (as written in the readme= ) the system said it could not found the necessary stuff on the diskette and so my system has no Mwave at the present moment. Help wanted please. Thank you very much in advance Have a nice day Francois 02/23/98 10:48:03 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 09:31:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239264274; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:31:14 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19370; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:20:45 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18899; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18845; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:19:55 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14489; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19404; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565B4.004EE6CD ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:21:48 -0500 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Joshua Hosseinof Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <852565B4.004E6DC1.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:17:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Works like a champ !!!! 2.6 screams..... -Bill Joshua Hosseinof on 02/22/98 04:57:55 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: Solaris x86 on 770? Anyone running Solaris x86 on a thinkpad 770. I'm rather unwilling to put out $5000 for this machine on the off chance that Solaris x86 will work on it (either 2.51 or 2.6) so if anyone's done it already I'd really like to know. TIA Josh From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 16:15:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA088928520; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:15:20 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14482; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:02:56 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14254; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from CS.Princeton.EDU (root@CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.136.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14219; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from toreltp.cs.princeton.edu (toreltp.CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.92.90]) by CS.Princeton.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08821 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:01:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802232101.QAA08821@CS.Princeton.EDU> From: "Tore Larsen" To: Subject: [TP770] Cant get MSEncarta DVD videos to display Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:01:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I can't get the videos on the MS Encarta DVD to display correctly on my TP770. The display window looks like a disfunctional TV-screen. Under a lot of unlocking noisy horisontal patterns, I ca recognize the rhythmic change of lightlevel in the video. I have the DVD-drive and HW MPEG support, and using the TP to watch DVD movies on the laptop or an external TV works just fine. Anyone experienced similar problems? Hints appreciated. Regards, __ Tore From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 19:47:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193801271; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:47:51 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24078; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:44:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:42:39 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23939; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:42:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from Theory.Stanford.EDU (Theory.Stanford.EDU [171.64.78.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23926; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bree.Stanford.EDU (bree.Stanford.EDU [171.64.78.54]) by Theory.Stanford.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12406 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:42:32 -0800 (PST) Sender: iliano@Theory.Stanford.EDU Message-Id: <34F21778.2D69@cs.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:42:32 -0800 From: Iliano Cervesato Organization: Stanford University X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Running Linux and X-windows on a Thinkpad 760E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have installed Linux (redhat 5.0) on my IBM Thinkpad 760E. After some effort, I got X to run, but I have the following behavior: * when I run X, I get a black screen with just the icons displayed, with sometimes only a small rectangle that gets refreshed (and where everything happens as expected). * If I start Windows 95, reboot into Linux and run X, then things work fine. Has anybody come across this problem? Any idea about how to initialize the screen before running X so that I don't have to go through Windows all the time? Thanks in advance, Iliano. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 22:19:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270380375; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:19:35 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00646; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:08:13 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00420; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:08:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns1.win.net (ns1.win.net [204.215.209.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00403; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from roosgroup.win.net (usr-tc-02-125.win.net [208.11.197.125]) by ns1.win.net (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA15258; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:05:10 -0500 Message-Id: <01BD40A7.1BD4F820.droos@RoosGroup.com> From: David Roos To: "'jt@epix.net'" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: Which external CD-ROM to buy? Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:22:30 -0500 Organization: The Roos Group X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I saw a TEAC CD-ROM at Surplus Direct for $21. Not state-of-the-art but cheap. However, I don't know if there are OS/2 drivers. http://www.surplusdirect.com/wc.sd?DF257K0YS7B02981~Displayspecial~CD5878~H~Z On Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:40 PM, Julian Thomas [SMTP:jt@epix.net] wrote: > For my 755CE (no cdrom) running os2 warp I'm looking for a drive. I've > seen both a Backpack bantam and also a disctec (this from Indelible Blue) > that allegedly have OS2 drivers, both are in the $210-220 range. Any > preferences? > > > -- > Julian & Mary Jane Thomas > jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > -------------------------------------------------- > Borrow money from pessimists--they don't expect it back. > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 23:09:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291523364; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:09:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03176; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:05:29 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03048; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03036; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:05:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from p17.hwts16.loop.net (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA09248; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:05:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802240405.UAA09248@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Roos" Date: Tue, 24 Feb 98 20:05:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Which external CD-ROM to buy? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:22:30 -0500, David Roos wrote: >I saw a TEAC CD-ROM at Surplus Direct for $21. Not state-of-the-art but cheap. However, I don't know if there are OS/2 drivers. > >http://www.surplusdirect.com/wc.sd?DF257K0YS7B02981~Displayspecial~CD5878~H~ Z Oh, that one? I think that OS/2 and Linux would access it natively as an IDE drive, unlike some proprietary CD-ROMS out a few years ago (anyone remember LMSI?). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 87 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 20h 32m 47s 70ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Feb 23 23:42:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA007025321; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:42:01 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04220; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:38:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:37:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04120; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04095; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:37:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA08589; Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:35:01 -1000 Message-Id: <002201bd40dd$ea97aa00$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Which external CD-ROM to buy? Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 18:37:28 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tuesday, February 17, 1998 2:40 PM, Julian Thomas [SMTP:jt@epix.net] wrote: > For my 755CE (no cdrom) running os2 warp I'm looking for a drive. I've > seen both a Backpack bantam and also a disctec (this from Indelible Blue) > that allegedly have OS2 drivers, both are in the $210-220 range. Any > preferences? For cheap external CDrom drives, it is also worth taking a look at Insight's 'Blowout Search' section (this is where I got my IBM 'flying saucer' CD400; they often have Sony 2x pcmcia for $40 and Panasonic 4x for $130 - you'd have to check with the manufacturer for OS2 compat). Anyway, go to www.insight.com, click on 'specials' then on 'discontinued and returned' then on 'blowout search', then do a 'floodlight' search for either 'external cdrom' or 'pcmcia cdrom'. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 24 00:49:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038759353; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:49:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06689; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:46:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:45:53 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06616; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:45:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [207.86.192.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06596; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA11702; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:48:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Amadei To: Iliano Cervesato Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Running Linux and X-windows on a Thinkpad 760E In-Reply-To: <34F21778.2D69@cs.stanford.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Iliano Cervesato wrote: > Hi, > > I have installed Linux (redhat 5.0) on my IBM > Thinkpad 760E. After some effort, I got X to > run, but I have the following behavior: > > * when I run X, I get a black screen with just > the icons displayed, with sometimes only a > small rectangle that gets refreshed (and where > everything happens as expected). > > * If I start Windows 95, reboot into Linux and > run X, then things work fine. > > Has anybody come across this problem? Any idea > about how to initialize the screen before running > X so that I don't have to go through Windows all > the time? Odd problem. Have you tried to cycle the video mode manually. When the X server starts up, hit 'CTRL'-'ALT' -'+'. You have to use the grey, numberpad '+' and the right 'CTRL' and 'ALT' if memory serves right. Do you have a plug and play video card? Maybe you should try out the isapnptools-1.11.tgz. It is a pnp manager that allows you to do some pretty interesting things with plug and play hardware (like disable it ;-) ). ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 24 15:11:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA107671113; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:11:53 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18299; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:59:34 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17909; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17860; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12966; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:56:14 -1000 Message-Id: <000a01bd415e$9bd68360$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP560] Video drivers - warning! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:58:41 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The other day I installed the most recent video (10-97) drivers for my system (TP560,P133/DSTN). While only a month more recent than the ones I already had, it had been suggested that reinstalling video might eliminate the freeze-ups the machine has been prone to since I upgraded to the latest version of IE4, and I figured I should get the latest. (BTW, this *does* seem to have helped the system hangs.) The new drivers offered, among other things, a choice of 640x480 16 bit graphics. Stupidly, I thought I'd give this a try (even though I didn't believe it was possible). MISTAKE! When I selected these the screen became unreadable, even on rebooting. In W3.1 you can run the 'setup' program from DOS to change back to generic VGA, but - as far as I can tell - this doesn't exist in W95. Fortunately, I know enough about the registry that I was able (in DOS) to create a registry script (with a text editor) to change back to 8 bit resolution, and import it using the DOS version of regedit. Now, some questions: (1) If it doesn't work, why is this option included? (2) Is there any way to keep it from showing up when you right-click on the display icon in the system tray? (3) What *is* this machine's max color depth, anyway? I'd always thought 8 bit, but if you do a video test in the bootup self-test some of the modes displayed are said to be 16- and 24- bit by the test program. - David (ross@math.hawaii.edu) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 24 15:30:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA116122208; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:30:08 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19998; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:26:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:25:46 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19907; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from bob.tri-lakes.net (BOB.tri-lakes.net [207.3.81.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19883; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:25:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.3.81.58] by bob.tri-lakes.net (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ea490390 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:25:50 -0600 From: "JC Zalog" To: Subject: Battery Charging Problem Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:25:15 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-Id: <20255017218399@tri-lakes.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I normally use my 755Cx in its docking station as a desktop. When I'm using it as a desktop I remove the battery in an effort to prolong the life of the battery. I recently installed the battery only to find the computer not recognizing the battery. The fuel gauge shows a dotted line for the battery. Pressing the discharge button displays a message the battery is not installed. The charge and battery condition LED's flash periodically. I had this same problem last summer and contacted IBM service who told me to replace the battery. The replacement battery fixed the problem. However, this time when I installed a brand new battery the TP still wont recognize that a battery is installed. Is it possible both my batteries are bad? If the batteries get "completely" drained will the TP not recognize them? Is there a way to charge the battery out of the TP? What is the shelf life of the Li-Ion battery? How do I get my TP to work off the battery again? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Feb 24 17:51:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185500686; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:51:26 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28156; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:43:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:42:36 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27997; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:42:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27983; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:42:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:42:24 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Which external CD-ROM to buy? Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:44:37 -0800 Message-Id: <01bd4175$c8d31e20$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The TEAC 46-e is a lovely drive . BUT !! It is designed for the TP 365 series of laptops. It will not fit in a TP 755 TP, 760 etc... It can be made to fit....;-{ But finding a connector alone makes it unfeasable. ...peter.. >I saw a TEAC CD-ROM at Surplus Direct for $21. Not state-of-the-art but cheap. However, I don't know if there are OS/2 drivers. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 25 00:39:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA080305164; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:39:24 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15277; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:26:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15138; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15088; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from p02.hwts13.loop.net (p02.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.167]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11856; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199802250524.VAA11856@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 21:24:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Video drivers - warning! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Now, some questions: (1) If it doesn't work, why is this option included? Is it specifically for the 560, or other machines with the same video chipset? It could be that that particular chipset offers those capabilities, but your machine does not/ >(2) Is there any way to keep it from showing up when you right-click on the >display icon in the system tray? (3) What *is* this machine's max color >depth, anyway? I'd always thought 8 bit, but if you do a video test in the >bootup self-test some of the modes displayed are said to be 16- and 24- bit >by the test program. > Likely 16 bit at 640*480. I don't know why you can't use it that way, so it might only be 8 bit. I'm using 640*480*65536 on my 701 fine. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (If you get an error, then the server is not online) Current system statistics: The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 86 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 21h 52m 11s 7ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 25 01:28:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA103098089; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:28:09 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16923; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:11:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:11:07 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16848; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from shell.izap.com (root@shell.izap.com [207.211.45.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16830; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from fr229.izap.com ([207.211.45.229]:26116 "EHLO izap.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE") by shell.izap.com with ESMTP id <227603-187>; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:10:32 -0800 Message-Id: <34F34775.5F8D80F1@izap.com> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:19:33 +0000 From: techie Reply-To: jg@izap.com Organization: never. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: TP380D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a TP380D... Anybody else have one? Have any luck with the built in MIC? I currently run: (VIA System Commander) DOS WIN95 NT4.0 LINUX (no X-Windows-yet)... Very nice "all-in-one" design... jg@izap.com IBM PC110/TP380D user.... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 25 02:14:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA123750839; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:13:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19016; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:12:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:11:23 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18903; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18891; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:11:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA20387; Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:08:49 -1000 Message-Id: <000701bd41bc$9113e860$0f02000a@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Re: [TP560] Video drivers - warning! Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:11:15 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I asked: >>Now, some questions: (1) If it doesn't work, why is this option included? Paul asked: >Is it specifically for the 560, or other machines with the same video chipset? The .inf file that came with the driver has lots of stuff commented out - presumably this is stuff IBM deemed not relevant to my machine. I assume that IBM would not be offering this file as is unless it *was* for this machine. >I'm using 640*480*65536 on my 701 fine. I used 24 bit color on my 701, but that was TFT and this is DSTN. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 25 05:07:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204121231; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:07:11 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26782; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:01:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:00:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26666; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26654; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 05:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from p05.hwts07.loop.net (p05.hwts07.loop.net [207.211.61.230]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA29932; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 02:00:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802251000.CAA29932@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Wed, 25 Feb 98 02:02:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Video drivers - warning! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:11:15 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I asked: > >>>Now, some questions: (1) If it doesn't work, why is this option included? > > >Paul asked: > >>Is it specifically for the 560, or other machines with the same video >chipset? > > >The .inf file that came with the driver has lots of stuff commented out - >presumably this is stuff IBM deemed not relevant to my machine. I assume >that IBM would not be offering this file as is unless it *was* for this >machine. > >>I'm using 640*480*65536 on my 701 fine. > > >I used 24 bit color on my 701, but that was TFT and this is DSTN. > Ahh, so you should be limted to the same res. I mentiond. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (the above url only works when the server is running) Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 24 Processes with 88 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 9h 11m 33s 695ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 25 06:25:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA234485954; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:25:54 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05319; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:25:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:24:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05244; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:24:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (genepool@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05232; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id DAA26584; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:24:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 03:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: TP380D To: techie Cc: ThinkPad mailing list In-Reply-To: <34F34775.5F8D80F1@izap.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, techie wrote: > Hi, I have a TP380D... > Anybody else have one? Yes. > > Have any luck with the built in MIC? After turning it on it works fine. > > I currently run: > (VIA System Commander) > DOS > WIN95 > NT4.0 > LINUX (no X-Windows-yet)... Any room left for programs? :-) There is an X driver advertised in Linux Journal which may give you X-Windows. A tad pricy at $200. > Very nice "all-in-one" design... The keyboard is great. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Feb 25 23:45:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096078337; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:45:37 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24832; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:43:22 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:40:35 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24729; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24716; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from usrx2-250.d.enteract.com (usrx2-250.d.enteract.com [207.229.172.250]) by enteract.com (8.8.8/8.7.6) with SMTP id WAA23424; Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:40:25 -0600 (CST) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: tp-500@andrsn.stanford.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP510: Mouse problems under Windows 95? Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 04:40:53 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <34f7ef8c.2468573@mail.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just added a larger drive and installed Windows 95. I've noticed that occasionally the systems acts as if the left mouse button is being pressed repeatedly, despite me being nowhere near the thing. I recall reading about someone else having this problem on one of the Thinkpad lists, but don't have the message or recall if there's a solution. Before I unload this puppy, I'd like to fix this. Anyone? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 26 13:48:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA150268882; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:48:02 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02685; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:41:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:38:32 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02463; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02451; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21703 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss04m01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.108]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0EP0005XT13BC0@lmco.com> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:38:05 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss04m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:37:40 -0500 Content-Return: allowed Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:36:12 -0500 From: "Dipiano, Tony" Subject: Minimum requirements for TP755-CD To: "'IBM Thinkpad forum'" Message-Id: <038BF7F98295D011BD690000F81E4AA7A695DB@emss04m03.ems.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking at purchasing a used ThinkPad 755-CD. It's supposed to have 16M RAM and 1G HD. I want to run Office '97, especially Access along with Visual Basic 5. Does this machine have enough RAM and HD to do what I want? Thank you in advance, Tony DiPiano From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 26 15:33:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA195325216; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:33:36 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09101; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:29:02 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08989; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:29:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mixer.visi.com (root@mixer.visi.com [209.98.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08974; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from zonker (13-22.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.13.22]) by mixer.visi.com (8.8.8/8.7.5) with SMTP id OAA15043 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:28:40 -0600 (CST) Posted-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:28:40 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199802262028.OAA15043@mixer.visi.com> X-Bmw: 1982 R100RS X-Cage: 1986 Honda CRX Si X-Homepage: HTTP://www.AmericanMold.com/ X-Sender: timf@mail.visi.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:33:11 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "Timothy W. Foreman" Subject: FS: 8MB SIMM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an 8MB SIMM that I pulled out of my 365X that I want to get rid of. Is there anybody out there interested in it? -- Timothy W. Foreman, Engineering Manager American Mold & Engineering Co. - Minneapolis, Minnesota Email: timf@AmericanMold.com | Voice (612) 571-8642 WWW: http://www.AmericanMold.com/ -- We Design & Build Custom Plastic Injection, Structural Foam, Gas Assist, Die Cast, Blow Mold and Compression Mold Tooling. -- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 26 15:38:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA197775478; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:37:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09575; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:33:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09465; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09392; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:33:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from p23.hwts12.loop.net (p23.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.158]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA04268; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:32:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802262032.MAA04268@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Dipiano, Tony" Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 12:34:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Minimum requirements for TP755-CD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:36:12 -0500, Dipiano, Tony wrote: >I'm looking at purchasing a used ThinkPad 755-CD. It's supposed to have >16M RAM and 1G HD. > >I want to run Office '97, especially Access along with Visual Basic 5. > >Does this machine have enough RAM and HD to do what I want? > Hmmm, I don't know about VB, but I know that VC++ at the minimum takes 95MB, so a 2GB or higher drive might be nice. 2GB will probably be adequete, so long as you partition it. Are you running NT or 95? Regardless, 32MB of RAM should be a minimum. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (the above url only works when the server is running) Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 92 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 11h 13m 49s 609ms. -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (the above url only works when the server is running) Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 !os2stats From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 26 17:17:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA241641435; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:17:15 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15148; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:06:57 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14973; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14922; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04279 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id NAA15770; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:58:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:58:30 -0800 (PST) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Thinkpad 360PE Pen Convertible (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 20 Feb 98 07:23:49 GMT From: Keith 'Zeet' Jewell Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables Subject: Re: FS: IBM Thinkpad 360PE Pen Convertible Patrick West wrote: > Keith, > How did you get it to see 36 mb of RAM, Where did you buy it? > I have a 360cse and am very interested in knowing > I got a card that is intended for the 360. It's made by Viking, and it is part number I360/32. I got it about nine months ... okay, ten months ago, at a price of $270. The price hasn't gone down since, probably because the 360 is a discontinued model. If you're interested, I can tell you who I got it through. I happily reccomend them due to their most excellent service. -Keithe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 26 17:42:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA254662954; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:42:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16366; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:30:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:29:41 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16241; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16214; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from falkor (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with SMTP id QAA07427 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:29:11 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980226162858.007ee4a0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:28:58 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: 750/755 Family 16Meg RAM Available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi! Sorry to bother the group, but I have a Kingston KTM-750/16 16Meg RAM card that I no longer need. (Several months ago, I purchased a 32Meg RAM card and promptly lost this one. Now that I've got my home office almost put back together and have found the Kingston, it's time to sell it before I lose it again!) Anyway, I used this card with no problems in both a TP 750C and TP 755CE. I believe that it will work in any of the other 750 and 755 family members. I don't know about any others. A couple of days ago, I checked prices at a couple of places for similar 16Meg RAM cards for these same types of ThinkPad. Everyone I checked seemed to be asking $179 and change. I'll sell this one for $100. If you need faster delivery than el-cheapo UPS ground, that will be extra. I've never done this, so I suppose that COD is safest for both seller and buyer, but am open to suggestions. Thanks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My keys, 0x571B55BD & 0x628ECED2, available from key servers iQEVAwUBNPXsleukCaFXG1W9AQH6yAf/dg83LFjcXBnoYu9DzXUHXmSU2VP4LWIn FVtmbmzds72exZ2jj0TzAaXZSgUNHT3X7bzie3zJybhpL9q3l6ofxa3W26Ncn8k3 3CXbOgKUUQJYKVR9vTKYM8xltYkZw8T2s9rVuwfEPfzRPu+P3abhKzABAjF/lKhF 2HkYbhfBojLyA0lIU5RvxcOvyE3N7aEdEn2ybtx3rA1BQMyYLf9sHjE3A+DbvANQ Pe5EhttqJxpQmK27jyREF0LiRXfiVkU+XQmWcb9Ffz9QyBMwHfZjLY5OvRHJWTIr EzHyU5fcPjORXhFMF5jryvtby71JUw0rBuLX7gRCPpYBJqNHkjARuQ== =Oe/l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 02:36:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA186374973; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:36:13 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05595; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:32:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05457; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from voicenet.com (mail11.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05445; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802270732.CAA05445@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 20645 invoked from network); 27 Feb 1998 07:32:31 -0000 Received: from phila101-pri.voicenet.com (207.103.31.101) by mail11.voicenet.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 1998 07:32:31 -0000 From: "Stuart Bogom" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 02:31:08 +0500 Reply-To: "Stuart Bogom" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MWave-OS/2-RealAudio Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone solved the problem of getting RealAudio to work on the Thinkpad MWave chip under OS/2? My hardware setup is: Thinkpad 760E, 40MB RAM, integrated MWave DSP My OS is: OS/2 Warp 4, fixpak 5; Netscape 2.02; MWave OS/2 2.24, MWave Win 3.1 2.24 I have tried both RealAudio 3 & 5. Both of them start to play the RealAudio audio files, then their Win-OS/2 sessions crash with the following 'Application error': RAPLAYER caused a General Protection Fault in module MWDMW16.DLL at 0001:2E86. Thanks in advance Stuart Bogom sbogom@voicenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 04:20:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA227201258; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:20:58 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09566; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:19:37 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09493; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:19:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rfd.mc.duke.edu (rfd.mc.duke.edu [152.3.78.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09481; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:19:32 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from ccmail.duke.edu by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23776) id <0EP1000025SQ7E@mc.duke.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 04:17:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: MWave-OS/2-RealAudio To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <0EP10000E5SQ7E@mc.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_9tO8cvhgVaOLIE+tsTpTOw)" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --Boundary_(ID_9tO8cvhgVaOLIE+tsTpTOw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Has anyone solved the problem of getting RealAudio to work on the Thinkpad MWave chip under OS/2? My hardware setup is: Thinkpad 760E, 40MB RAM, integrated MWave DSP My OS is: OS/2 Warp 4, fixpak 5; Netscape 2.02; MWave OS/2 2.24, MWave Win 3.1 2.24 I have tried both RealAudio 3 & 5. Both of them start to play the RealAudio audio files, then their Win-OS/2 sessions crash with the following 'Application error': RAPLAYER caused a General Protection Fault in module MWDMW16.DLL at 0001:2E86. Thanks in advance Stuart Bogom sbogom@voicenet.com --Boundary_(ID_9tO8cvhgVaOLIE+tsTpTOw) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN RFC-822-headers: Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23776) with ESMTP id <0EP1003XO13CRM@mc.duke.edu> for thark@duccrtr; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:35:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05586; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:34:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:32:44 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05457; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from voicenet.com (mail11.voicenet.com [207.103.0.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05445; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20645 invoked from network); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:32:31 +0000 Received: from phila101-pri.voicenet.com (207.103.31.101) by mail11.voicenet.com with SMTP; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:32:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 02:31:08 +0500 From: Stuart Bogom Subject: MWave-OS/2-RealAudio To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Reply-to: Stuart Bogom Message-id: <199802270732.CAA05445@CS.UTK.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Priority: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --Boundary_(ID_9tO8cvhgVaOLIE+tsTpTOw)-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 08:42:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026056979; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:42:59 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24670; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:40:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24499; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:40:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailgw3.lmco.com (mailgw3.lmco.com [192.35.35.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24481; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss04g01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.122]) by mailgw3.lmco.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA06163 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:39:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from emss04m01.ems.lmco.com ([166.17.13.108]) by lmco.com (PMDF V5.1-10 #20546) with ESMTP id <0EP100E7OHYFAQ@lmco.com> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:39:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by emss04m01.ems.lmco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:39:53 -0500 Content-Return: allowed Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:40:00 -0500 From: "Dipiano, Tony" Subject: HD Upgrade for 755CD To: "'IBM Thinkpad forum'" Message-Id: <038BF7F98295D011BD690000F81E4AA7A695DE@emss04m03.ems.lmco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain X-Priority: 3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm going to check out a used 755CD tonight. I saw a notice that someone has a 32 M module for sale. Now I need to upgrade the HD from 1 to at lease 2 G. Any info on where I can purchase such an animal? Thanks All, - Tony DiPiano From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 08:52:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029577545; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:52:25 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25554; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:50:30 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25434; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25403; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:50:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-195.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.195]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA26350 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:47:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199802271347.OAA26350@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:50:01 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [755] Enhanced Video Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running OS/2 and Win95 on my 755 CDV and I did many times OS installation. I do not know what is exactly the enhanced video driver What is it supposed to do ? Is it useful ? Do I have to install it ? Are there advantages and disadvantages ? Thanks for tips Regards Francois 02/27/98 14:48:24 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 12:14:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA118069661; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:14:21 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08956; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:06:14 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08766; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:06:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08749; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:06:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA102888; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:04:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:04:13 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: Paul Khoury Cc: "dewar@gnat.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? In-Reply-To: <199802230529.VAA05354@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Organization: Yeshiva University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The hardware compatibility list for solaris x86 is on Sun's web page, but Sun is not doing any new notebook driver development at the moment so the most recent machines they list are Thinkpad 760 and Toshiba Tecra 510 and 720, hardly what I would call current machines. And if you call up Sun they just tell you if it's not on the compatibility list you're SOL "but we'll pass the request on to our engineers". Josh On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Mon, 23 Feb 98 00:28:29 EST, Robert Dewar wrote: > > >< >card, PCMCIA, CD-ROM, etc. are supported. > >>> > > > >This information is all on the web site in quite convenient form. > > > You mean Sun or IBM, or both? > > -- > Paul Khoury > http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org > (If you get an error, then the server is not online) > > Current system statistics: > The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 > Revision 9.029 > There are 22 Processes with 85 Threads. > This machine's uptime is 0d 1h 26m 4s 914ms. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 12:41:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130391302; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:41:42 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11064; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:33:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:33:01 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10965; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10946; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25431; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:31:47 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28807; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:31:36 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:31:36 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199802271731.KAA28807@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: hosseino@ymail.yu.edu Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Josh, I have a 765D (not on the HCL) and it runs 2.5.1 OK. There is a problem with the original PCMCIA driver in 2.6 with > 64 MB of RAM in my 765D and in (at least) some 380 models. I just got a new PCMCIA driver this week from Sun and it works with 2.6 and 104 MB of RAM. It was developed for a 770 that Sun Central has been working with. So, Sun's position is that they are not supporting new notebooks but they actually are doing (at least) some development for newer notebooks. I have a Sun software maintenance contract for the OS and have gotten the "not supported" response. I'm not happy about that but there may be a glimmer of hope for certain newer models of notebooks. x86 is quite a cheap experiment for educational customers (< $100). Make sure you use DU2 to load if you try it - 2.6 didn't load correctly with the distribution boot diskette on my 765D. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 10:10 MST 1998 > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:04:13 -0500 (EST) > From: Joshua Hosseinof > X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu > To: Paul Khoury > cc: "dewar@gnat.com" , > "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" > Subject: Re: Solaris x86 on 770? > Organization: Yeshiva University > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > The hardware compatibility list for solaris x86 is on Sun's web page, but > Sun is not doing any new notebook driver development at the moment so the > most recent machines they list are Thinkpad 760 and Toshiba Tecra 510 and > 720, hardly what I would call current machines. > And if you call up Sun they just tell you if it's not on the compatibility > list you're SOL "but we'll pass the request on to our engineers". > > Josh > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 18:56:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA299323788; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:56:28 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03455; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:51:05 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03314; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:51:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from networking.Stanford.EDU (networking.Stanford.EDU [171.64.20.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03302; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:51:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from llurch@localhost) by networking.Stanford.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.5) id PAA02452; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:51:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Graves X-Sender: llurch@networking To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560X CardBus/3C575 issues under NT and Linux Message-Id: X-Pgp-Key: mail this account with subject line "send pgp key" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I got a 3Com 3C575 for my new 560X because of top-rank benchmarks and the fact that it's the first on Donald Becker's list for 100Mbps CardBus support under Linux. It works beautifully under the preinstalled Win95B (FTP from a Linux box clocked at 77Mbps), but isn't recognized by either NT or Linux yet. I need top speed because I'll be using this box for fast ether packet analysis and such. First Linux, because it's probably easier: Starting from a RedHat 5.0 base (installed over the network, so much easier than NT...), I built kernel 2.0.33 and the latest 3.0.0 PC Card utils from hyper.stanford.edu, with CardBus on. Fetched and built the latest draft of 3c59x_cb from Becker's web site. "Normal" PC Cards including a modem and a cheap NE2000 clone Ethernet card work OK, but the CardBus card Linux won't recognize. No problem with the modules -- I can manually load them into the kernel with no complaints about missing symbols, they just don't talk to the hardware. I think the Linux problem is the TI1150/1250 difference mentioned in Dick Bakker's messages on the CardBus HyperNews forum, but before I hack the includes and rebuild my kernel I wanted to check whether anyone else had tried same. Has anyone been down this road before? Now NT 4.0: First, does IBM/CardWiz officially support CardBus under NT on this model? If not I won't waste any further time on NT, which I'm realizing really sucks on laptops, and just use Linux and Win95. It would be *nice* to have NT on this laptop to facilitate troubleshooting NT-specific networking bugs, but I can get by without it. I installed NT 4.0 (no service packs or hotfixes applied yet) onto c:\winnt (FAT). Added te latest NeoMagic drivers, BIOS update, and THinkPad Utils >from IBM's web site. The CardWiz disk I downloaded from the FTP site didn't work (the installer just sits for a second and then quits), so I installed the CardWizard 3.10.01-C02-P03.01 for NT offered by the preinstalled "disk factory." When that config wouldn't talk to the 3C575 I deinstalled everything network-related, disabled the NT pcmcia driver, and rebooted with the card inserted, as suggested by a tech tip on 3Com's web site, but no dice. CardWiz always pops up the "unknown card, please install a driver in network control panel now" even though the driver is there. Attempts to run the 3Com diagnostics utility from the TaskBar icon result in the error "unable to stop driver." -rich From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 21:42:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096973754; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:42:34 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08033; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:40:24 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07950; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:40:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07938; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from p04.hwts15.loop.net (p04.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.229]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA18999; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 18:39:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199802280239.SAA18999@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Dipiano, Tony" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 98 07:29:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Upgrade for 755CD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:40:00 -0500, Dipiano, Tony wrote: >I'm going to check out a used 755CD tonight. I saw a notice that someone >has a 32 M module for sale. Now I need to upgrade the HD from 1 to at >lease 2 G. > >Any info on where I can purchase such an animal? > Just try buying a 2.5" 2GB HD and swap it with the 1GB into the caddy. The 755 uses standard 2.5" IDE drives. In fact, I have one running the server here (though 340MB is too small, but I don't use it yet). -- Paul Khoury http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org (the above url only works when the server is running) Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS running OS/2 Warp 4 The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 25 Processes with 83 Threads. This machine's uptime is 0d 12h 57m 47s 195ms. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Feb 27 23:31:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA147420299; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:31:39 -0500 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11151; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.7); Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:28:27 -0500 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11057; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.socket.net (mail.socket.net [204.120.70.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11041; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from lmills.socketis.net (p141.jc.socket.net [205.242.94.181]) by mail.socket.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27283 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:13:05 -0600 X-Envelope-To: Message-Id: <34F790ED.7AC3AB6C@socket.net> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:22:05 -0600 From: Lewis Mills Reply-To: lmills@socket.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP360 FYI: new keyboard X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199802080710.CAA25470@po2.bbn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just ran across a new 360 keyboard at this URL: http://iguana.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6681623 I don't know the seller or anything about him/her or this item, but thought maybe a 360 owner might be interested. Lewis