From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 00:07:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170525659; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:07:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27055; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 00:04:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26924; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26911; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (174.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.174]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA09715; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35494B15.23B5AF18@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:09:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Zip Disks References: <3548FB6F.AEC62DDB@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray.. I understand 1-800-batteries is a decent source.. always demand new batteries.. Ray Bay wrote: > Does anyone know of a good e-commerce or website source of computer > related supplies such as Zip Disks, diskettes, cables, labels, etc that > are relatively inexpensive? > > Does anyone know of a good source for batteries. I have some old compaq > batteries that I don't need that I would like to trade in as part of a > purchase of some Compaq LTE Lite 486/25 batteries and memory. > > Also have three IBM batteries for Thinkpad 760ED that are relatively new > and well cared for... I am told there are sources that give you a price > break for trades. > > Todd Miller > Dry Creek Consultants -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 00:16:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175276161; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:16:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28037; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 00:11:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27664; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27642; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:10:38 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (hd4-189.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.195.189]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id AAA14388 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980501001009.007f35f0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:10:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: NeoMagic In-Reply-To: <001601bd74ad$fe984c40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:05 PM 4/30/98 -1000, David Ross wrote: >In any event, I expect that if they really want to keep their >proprietary information proprietary, I've used chips from Intel, Motorola, Zilog, Cirrus Logic, TI, etc., etc. The idea that the information on the instruction set and registers of a released to production chip (that would allow someone to actually write software for said chip) is proprietary, is completely foreign to my experience and totally repugnant to me as a software developer. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNUlLHuukCaFXG1W9AQHq4wf/dGSUPA7WLeqbp5ZbFXWJKIZWz6yOLlIq V0c1UiHAOxf65nOwSFanvBNZur7fPDWHhCkYjtoGx2Ky/LwAtTrSWPiRGzH0WcPw mRsyxn3XaybzX8eFEIFTubBk1U3tkwqnKG/7d4S1/znqtPVSG3g3RzDumm42HiND dHGCOFfK3HmBElc25YzzUcT0auN7WBqzWXwJNBOUXZt/ALeod8VBxEBWazsISIBV NTHQB+VBsNoUlVr9w56KsEhYXt2jKNaqey9TCqVY/nssmCK3Xj9uvTYAgFIpg7fL y61Q2jmP3Pv+QPbPYGWctNnhm2wMTDjwQ/PUiBJK4FI409T0FBkXCw== =v1L2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 00:19:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA176566373; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:19:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28661; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 00:15:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28006; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27994; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-049-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.129]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA03025 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:15:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <35494C5A.B98C6109@cia-g.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:15:22 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Dry Creek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Zip Disks - What I Learned Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some participants on this list asked me to post what I learned about Zip Disks: www.pricewatch.com and www.buycomp.com had Iomega Zip 100 Mb disks at 10 plus disk caddy for $109.99 plus 9.96 shipping www.surplusdirect.com has Nomai Zip disks for $89.99 plus $7.96 shipping. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 00:23:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177696584; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:23:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29369; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 00:18:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28555; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28541; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA00382; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:59:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NeoMagic In-Reply-To: <001601bd74ad$fe984c40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 30th April 1998, David Ross wrote: > I inferred that [the NeoMagic licensing] fee is low from the fact that > Xi provides a neomagic driver for their X server for free, and this server > is only expensive by Linux standards. Perhaps the arrangement between NeoMagic and Xi is based on NeoMagic getting paid based on Xi server sales, which would have less of an effect on the bottom line of a small company than paying a sizable up-front licensing fee. > In any event, I expect that if they really want to keep their > proprietary information proprietary, they won't be selling it > on the web! That was my expectation as well, but your mention of the "nominal fee" made me think that you must have found the price somewhere, so I decided to have a look at their Web site to see if that amount came from there. Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 00:41:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA186727707; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:41:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00448; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 00:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00291; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00279; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.43]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA16886; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:37:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <354951F8.DB7B2AC2@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:39:20 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Interrante Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: adding more memory to a ThinkPad 760ELD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think that you are restricted to a maximum of 80 MB (the 64MB chip + 16MB of actual memory). However, you can try the 64MB DIMM and 16MB DIMM and see if it works. James John Interrante wrote: > Howdy to everybody! A lurker comes out of hiding to ask for advice > concerning adding more memory to his ThinkPad 760ELD. My 133 MHz, > 32MB RAM, RedHat Linux 5.0 computer (I use it at work as well as at > home) is beginning to feel sluggish at times what with XFree 3.3.2, > XEmacs 20.4, Netscape Communicator 4.04, and Ding! 1.0 (a > memory-hungry Java client) all running at the same time. I don't plan > to replace my ThinkPad for a while, so it's time to add more memory. > My system has 16MB of base memory and a 16MB SO-DIMM in one of the two > memory expansion sockets. That leaves a second DIMM socket available. > Can I add something bigger than 16MB to the second socket, or do both > DIMMs have to be the same capacity? If I can add a bigger DIMM, > what's the largest DIMM I could add---32MB or 64MB? Which chip > manufacturers and vendors would you recommend I order from, or stay > away from? > > John > > -- > John Interrante, Computer Scientist, Information Technology Laboratory > GE Corporate Research & Development, Niskayuna NY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 00:57:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA196558640; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:57:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01396; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 00:55:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01246; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01234; Fri, 1 May 1998 00:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 184.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.114.184]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21974; Fri, 1 May 1998 04:54:50 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: rpritz@interport.net (richard), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] NT 4.0 on the 560, anyone? Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 04:54:30 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <354a53ba.794685@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <354f2a20.8202615@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <354f3352.279169116@mail.interport.net> In-Reply-To: <354f3352.279169116@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:32:37 -0400, you wrote: >How much RAM did you have before the 64mb upgrade? I had 40MB RAM, which I threw in with my DSTN 560 when I sold it. Unloading a memory chip for anything *near* it's purchase value is fool's dream I've been through to often to keep pulling chips hoping to sell them. I've got an 8MB EDO SIMM that came free with the DSTN 560 that I'll most likely end up throwing away. >I'm asking because I have a 32mb chip and am wondering if getting a 64mb chip >would help. I haven't seen a performance difference other than less disk accessing, it's neither faster nor slower, though I've heard arguments for both happening. I got the 64MB chip from the Chip Merchant (1-800-808-chip) for $128, exactly $21 more than I paid for the 32MB chip less than 6 months ago. I had to reseat it twice before the Thinkpad would recognize it, but it works fine now. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 01:03:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA199609029; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:03:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02203; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 01:02:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02085; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02071; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 184.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.114.184]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAB25896 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 05:01:26 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] NT 4.0 on the 560, anyone? Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 05:01:07 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <354951bf.287407@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <354f2a20.8202615@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <354939EA.99106CAA@theriver.com> In-Reply-To: <354939EA.99106CAA@theriver.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:56:42 -0700, you wrote: >What's wrong with OS/2? I think that Neomagic is holding out on the hope >that Redmond will win. I don't think that they will. Nothing really *wrong* with it, I just didn't care for it. I ran it for about 2 weeks on one of my 560s (since sold), and found the TP Warper pages quite handy in getting it up and running. I downloaded plenty of shareware and played around with it, but it finally came to this: I've got a lot of software I've gotten used to over the years that wouldn't run under OS/2, and I decided I don't want to do without them. The problem with Linux was similar, and included the fact that the learning curve is very steep for it, imo. When I got my first Windows computer (an IBM 355), I was able to play around enough to get things going, poking around here and there. With Linux, I spent the majority of the time reading manuals and man pages, or trying to recall various commands. My productivity ground to a halt, and it became apparent that it would be awhile before I got better. Right now, I don't have that time to spend, but may try again in the future. From what I've seen and read, NT is more stable than Windows 95 or 98, will run all my apps or even better versions since I'm using all 32-bit programs (except for a game called WinRoids, a Windows version of Asteroids I've played for years and years), and is supported well enough by IBM for me to get by until 5.0 comes out to see if I want to give that a try. Since I'm planning on this system lasting me a while, I want it running as well as it can. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for reviews, editorials, and the FAQ on laptop computers. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 01:06:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200849208; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:06:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02531; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 01:03:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02288; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02250; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (174.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.174]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA20343; Fri, 1 May 1998 01:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354958FA.C122C547@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 01:09:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Interrante Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: adding more memory to a ThinkPad 760ELD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John.. max ram for that machine is 104megs.. the 64meg DIMM won't work.. (it is for the 760X series and 765 and 560 only) you can mix and or match.. 1-32meg, 1-16meg + the 8meg on the system board and the 8meg on the DIMM carrier.. total would be 64megs.. 2-32meg + the 16 = 80megs 2-16meg.. or the 32meg DIMM carrier and two 32meg DIMM's.. total would be 104megs.. Apricorn is the only one who maked the 32meg DIMM carrier, but it will work with any other brand memory.. for prices, check http://thinkpads.com there are two manufacturers listed there.. Apricorn and Viking.. John Interrante wrote: > Howdy to everybody! A lurker comes out of hiding to ask for advice > concerning adding more memory to his ThinkPad 760ELD. My 133 MHz, > 32MB RAM, RedHat Linux 5.0 computer (I use it at work as well as at > home) is beginning to feel sluggish at times what with XFree 3.3.2, > XEmacs 20.4, Netscape Communicator 4.04, and Ding! 1.0 (a > memory-hungry Java client) all running at the same time. I don't plan > to replace my ThinkPad for a while, so it's time to add more memory. > My system has 16MB of base memory and a 16MB SO-DIMM in one of the two > memory expansion sockets. That leaves a second DIMM socket available. > Can I add something bigger than 16MB to the second socket, or do both > DIMMs have to be the same capacity? If I can add a bigger DIMM, > what's the largest DIMM I could add---32MB or 64MB? Which chip > manufacturers and vendors would you recommend I order from, or stay > away from? > > John > > -- > John Interrante, Computer Scientist, Information Technology Laboratory > GE Corporate Research & Development, Niskayuna NY -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 03:16:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260756985; Fri, 1 May 1998 03:16:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08152; Fri, 1 May 1998 03:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 03:12:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07176; Fri, 1 May 1998 03:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07164; Fri, 1 May 1998 03:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA28306; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:11:47 -1000 Message-Id: <003501bd74d0$7b592020$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "Ron Heiby" Subject: Re: NeoMagic Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:12:14 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ron Heiby wrote: >The idea that the information on the instruction set and registers of >a released to production chip (that would allow someone to actually >write software for said chip) is proprietary, is completely foreign to >my experience and totally repugnant to me as a software developer. Are SDKs for modern special-purpose multimedia chips really that widely = available? I kind of thought this was common only for general-purpose = chips. I would guess that anyone who actually buys these chips can get a SDK = for them. - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 06:56:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA053040214; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:56:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20688; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 06:50:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20220; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (orbit14i.wwb.noaa.gov [140.90.109.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20207; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pchang@localhost) by orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id GAA12382 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 06:50:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 06:50:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Chang To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 07:55:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075453728; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:55:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22614; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 07:51:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22180; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22168; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA31978 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:44:04 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d03lms02.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.80.12]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA123328 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:46:41 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D03AU033 id 5030200029001959; Fri, 1 May 1998 07:58:24 -0400 From: Michael Vautour To: Subject: Unsubscribe Message-Id: <5030200029001959000002L092*@MHS> Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 07:58:24 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unsubscribe Mike Vautour Notes Team Bromont Adresse Internet mvautour@ca.ibm.com = From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 1 18:52:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA108873132; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:52:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03388; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 1 May 1998 18:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03013; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02999; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA18672 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 18:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354A523F.316BED05@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 18:52:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: alive? 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Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 01 May 1998 18:52:47 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Where's the message?? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 02:15:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA021759752; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:15:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17518; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 02:13:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17294; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17282; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts01.loop.net (p25.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.70]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA01326 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805020613.XAA01326@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 01 May 98 23:13:52 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Website Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, the website is up again. While I'm thinking about it, should I add links to download the latest release of the TP Assistant (in HTML), and the INF version on the index.html page, or add anything else? Thanks. http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org/thinkpad/index.html -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 02:43:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA031931408; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:43:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18602; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 02:42:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18516; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18503; Sat, 2 May 1998 02:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts01.loop.net (p25.hwts01.loop.net [207.211.61.70]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA02448 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 23:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805020642.XAA02448@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 01 May 98 23:42:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Benchmarking ThinkPads running OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could those running OS/2 on their ThinkPads help me out by running benchmarks? I'd just like to put on a comparison of systems on my website with benchmarks from various ThinkPads running OS/2 using Trevor Hemsley's Sysbench benchmark program (available from Hobbes). TIA, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 03:04:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA041692655; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:04:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20001; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 03:02:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19779; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19767; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p05.hwts05.loop.net (p05.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.170]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA03093; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:02:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805020702.AAA03093@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "slppj@cc.usu.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 May 98 00:02:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unzipping the ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:52:15 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >I had no problem unzipping the file with Winzip 6.2. I did have a >problem displaying the pages in both Netscape 4 and IE 4. Some pages >display others wont. Looking at the page source it appears the browsers >are having a problem with some of the characters. The "_" underscore >character seems to display as a y with an umlaut over it instead of an >underscore. That might be part of the problem. Do those long file >names have spaces or are those underscores? In Win95b they appear as >underscores, in my browsers they appear as those funny y's (which I >doubt they are supposed to be). >Well I've got a grant proposal to get back to so that's all I have time >for at the moment. >-Greg A. >Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> > >> >PKzio and Winzip will test the archive witout problems, but, if I try to >> >extract one or more of the files with comma in the name, Winzip hangs, and >> >PKZip gives me: >> > >> That's very unusual. As I noted below, it could be a limitation of the filesystem. >> >> >PKUNZIP: (W10) Warning! can't create: >> thinkpad_701-00D,00F,2SU,2TU,5SU,5TU,7SU,7TU_standard_features.html >> > >> >I am using PKzip 2.04g and WinZip 6.1 and I am working on a FAT16 drive >> >under NT.3.5.1. >> > >> Maybe it's also a limitiation of FAT? Has anyone tried under NTFS? What about UNIX/Linux? >> >> >I can create a file with the same name with a DOS command, so I suspect this >> >is most likely a problem with the version of PKZip I am using. >> > >> >Tomorrow I can try to use the Info-Zip version of unzip, and see if it >> >behaves any better. >> >> And if that fails, then we could try talking to PKWARE and the people who make Info-zip. >> -- >> Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 03:28:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA051934111; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:28:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23306; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 03:26:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23139; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23127; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA20070 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 00:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805020726.AAA20070@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 02 May 98 00:26:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Website Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry for the extra bandwidth, but regarding my server, I need to do some quick maintainence, and I might have cut some people off, so I apoligze for that. Also, I'm in the process of having some semi-permanent sites to post this part of my website, so I won't always have to notify the list. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 04:07:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA069026470; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:07:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25843; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 04:06:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25679; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25664; Sat, 2 May 1998 04:06:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates ([206.96.182.72]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA02373 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 03:06:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199805020806.DAA02373@sh1.ro.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 98 03:04:14 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199805020642.XAA02448@ritchie.loop.com> Subject: Re: Benchmarking ThinkPads running OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "Paul Khoury" said the following on the auspicious date of 98-05-01: >Could those running OS/2 on their ThinkPads help me out by running >benchmarks? I'd just like to put on a comparison of systems on my >website with benchmarks from various ThinkPads running OS/2 using Trevor >Hemsley's Sysbench benchmark program (available from Hobbes). I just tried it. Sysbench did a nice job of killing my system when it finaly got to simultaneous I/O, so you won't be getting my bechmarks. It seems my ThinkPad is slowly dying. Now, the lan0 interface (H&A ethernet) is set in software to its down state whenever if feels like it. I have to run "ifconfig lan0 up" with the card removed to make it work again. The system normally boots with the interface down now. I don't know why it started this -- I didn't change the system configuration. I'm glad my desktop runs reliably. -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://xzalpha.ml.org/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup UAH-SEDS http://uah.seds.org/ Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 07:35:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154148912; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:35:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06718; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 07:33:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06481; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06469; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:33:13 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:33:13 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: <3547C50C.4FEDF014@cia-g.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Ray Bay wrote: > Take a look at the > new HP Pentium II's But don't forget to have a look at the Technical Support either :-) Being the owner of a HP Omnibook 800 a had to contact them a couple of times, and each time it was a rather unpleasant experience. They run a European Customer Support Center in the Netherlands and the people I have spoken to knew next to nothing about the machine. This may be different in the States but here in Europe they should take a lesson from IBM. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 09:25:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200025519; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:25:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09151; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 09:23:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08965; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08952; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id OAA008.68; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:23:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199805021323.OAA008.68@bradnet> Date: Sat, 2 May 98 14:23:47 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Video drivers for Warp 4 on 760C To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know how to run an *unattended* install of video drivers for Warp 4 on a TP 760C ? -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 09:59:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215327555; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:59:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10083; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 09:57:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09914; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09901; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10168; Sat, 2 May 1998 07:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:57:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bay To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In my extensive experience (292 machines) with IBM, Dell, Gateway, Micron, HP, Winbook, and Ergo, there is no worse support than IBM... I am sorry to hear HP support is not good in Europe. You don't want to trade places with us for IBM support here. HP support has been wonderful for us, but not as good as Dell. Ray Bay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 12:10:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA272295457; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:10:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14175; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 12:10:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14042; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14030; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (176.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.176]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA00349; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354B46AF.CDEE4644@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 12:15:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Face it guys.. the support for IBM and h/p and many others stinks in europe when compared to the USA... even in canada it was bad, but i know IBM has made a recent effort in canada by establishing more or better support centers there.. h/p & mitsubishi have that new 3/4inch thick notebook.. 14.1 TFT, P-II 266, and so on.. h/p calls it the Sojourn.. metal case i suppose to dissapate the heat.. Christoph Eyrich wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Ray Bay wrote: > > > Take a look at the > > new HP Pentium II's > > But don't forget to have a look at the Technical Support either :-) > > Being the owner of a HP Omnibook 800 a had to contact them a couple of > times, and each time it was a rather unpleasant experience. They run a > European Customer Support Center in the Netherlands and the people I have > spoken to knew next to nothing about the machine. This may be different in > the States but here in Europe they should take a lesson from IBM. > > Regards > > Christoph Eyrich > > eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 12:11:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA272455470; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:11:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13601; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 12:04:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13363; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.95]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13350; Sat, 2 May 1998 12:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net [207.79.35.215]) by mailsorter-105.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.gso.08Dec97) with ESMTP id JAA10218; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.5/mt.gso.26Feb98) id JAA21970; Sat, 2 May 1998 09:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805021604.JAA21970@mailtod-151.iap.bryant.webtv.net> From: bwhazen@webtv.net (Bruce Hazen) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 09:04:01 -0700 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 17:28:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115724482; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:28:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22019; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 17:26:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21816; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21803; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08433; Sat, 2 May 1998 11:25:37 -1000 Message-Id: <001201bd7610$ee344840$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bay" , "Christoph Eyrich" Cc: Subject: Re: TP 600 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:26:07 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >In my extensive experience (292 machines) with IBM, Dell, Gateway, = Micron, HP, >Winbook, and Ergo, there is no worse support than IBM Your experiences are so different from most laptop owners I know that I = wonder if you either (a) have different support needs than average = users, or (b) mean something different by "worse support". Were all these machines laptops, seviced centrally? IBM desktop = support is notoriously bad, and I've never heard of a local IBM = authorized service center that could repair a hangnail, let alone a = computer. >support here. HP support has been wonderful for us, but not as good as = Dell. As long as they stay in the laptop business - when Dell pulled out = briefly a few years back, they also stopped supporting their previous = laptop customers! I've never had any experience with Gateway. When I solicited bids a few = years back for some equipment we were buying, I called, emailed, and = faxed them bid requests. Eventually - weeks after we made the purchase = - they submitted a bid for a very different configuration than we'd = specified. Ergo still exists? Impressive tenacity! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 17:36:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA119164968; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:36:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22651; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 17:34:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22531; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22509; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08452; Sat, 2 May 1998 11:34:19 -1000 Message-Id: <003b01bd7612$233051a0$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , Subject: Re: TP 600 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 11:34:49 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Ray Bay wrote: > >> Take a look at the >> new HP Pentium II's Unfortunately, they use Lithium Polymer batteries with a very small = number of recharge cycles, something like half the already pathetic = Li-Ion norm, so budget for some spare batteries ! >spoken to knew next to nothing about the machine. This may be different = in >the States but here in Europe they should take a lesson from IBM. In the US, HP service is very very good. I don't know what it is about = European divisions of computer companies. A dozen or so years I was = outfitting an English university with a technical word processing setup. = I knew that the software I'd chosen worked very well with Toshiba = printers, but I wasn't able to find anyone who sold them. I called = Toshiba UK to get the name of a supplier, and eventually made my way to = the VP in charge of sales. When I asked *him* for the name of someone = who sold his printers he said - and this is the exact quote, as best as = I remember it - "It is not corporate policy to divulge this = information." -- ! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 17:50:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126755839; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:50:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23919; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 17:49:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23798; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23782; Sat, 2 May 1998 17:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a9.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.137]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08993; Sat, 2 May 1998 14:49:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <354B9535.4DF5C5AA@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 14:50:45 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross Cc: Ray Bay , Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 References: <001201bd7610$ee344840$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Speaking of bids and service. I decided a few years back when I was in Korea, that I wanted a new system. I sent out five requests for information. Micron was the only company that FAXED me a quote. I decided against buying a new system for financial reasons. IBM is noted for its service worldwide, but in Korea they could not replace a "blown" screen. We had to send it back to the EZ-Serv site in Memphis to get it fixed. However, when I had to send back a 760E because of a problem with the trackpoint, IBM came right through. James David Ross wrote: > >In my extensive experience (292 machines) with IBM, Dell, Gateway, Micron, HP, > >Winbook, and Ergo, there is no worse support than IBM > > Your experiences are so different from most laptop owners I know that I wonder if you either (a) have different support needs than average users, or (b) mean something different by "worse support". > > Were all these machines laptops, seviced centrally? IBM desktop support is notoriously bad, and I've never heard of a local IBM authorized service center that could repair a hangnail, let alone a computer. > > >support here. HP support has been wonderful for us, but not as good as Dell. > > As long as they stay in the laptop business - when Dell pulled out briefly a few years back, they also stopped supporting their previous laptop customers! > > I've never had any experience with Gateway. When I solicited bids a few years back for some equipment we were buying, I called, emailed, and faxed them bid requests. Eventually - weeks after we made the purchase - they submitted a bid for a very different configuration than we'd specified. > > Ergo still exists? Impressive tenacity! > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu > www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 18:34:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA145898474; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:34:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25721; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 18:32:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25510; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25497; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA17812; Sat, 2 May 1998 16:32:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 16:32:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bay To: David Ross Cc: Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 In-Reply-To: <001201bd7610$ee344840$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, the large volume of laptops probably means something... I have been a manager of information systems for a large organization covering four stats since 1978... But I go to a LOT of meetings and training sesssions where I meet a LOT of experienced MIS managers... and they tell me basically the sme thing... in support, Dell is the best, Wintel is the worst... IBM is th most aggravating because of the long delays, arrogant telephone staff and extremely expensive fixes... so I cannot believe your comment that my exeriences are "different that most laptop owners..." Look at all the published suveys... I do know that large organizations dealing with Gateway do better than individual owners so maybe that is true for some other business owners vs individuals... We do have to send our equipment to their corporate repair centers... with IBM it is either Tennessee or North Carolina (as I recall... I am not at my office). We don't do service centrally until the warrantee expires, then wego out on contract where the support and service is ALWAYS superior... but of course these repair/support businesses want our return business the next year. Ergo still exists and are very actively promoting new machines... but I expect purchasing to limit future purchases to Dell, HP, and Micron due to the reliability and service issues. I personally own an IBM because I have had very good luck... and I like it a lot... but I still don't like their support... If their machines were less reliable, I would switch.. My personal best luck has been with Compaq, but we have organizationally had a lot of bad luck with new machines... > Your experiences are so different from most laptop owners I know that I wonder if you either (a) have different support needs than average users, or (b) mean something different by "worse support". > Were all these machines laptops, seviced centrally? IBM desktop support is notoriously bad, and I've never heard of a local IBM authorized service center that could repair a hangnail, let alone a computer. > >support here. HP support has been wonderful for us, but not as good as Dell. > > > As long as they stay in the laptop business - when Dell pulled out briefly a few years back, they also stopped supporting their previous laptop customers! > > I've never had any experience with Gateway. When I solicited bids a few years back for some equipment we were buying, I called, emailed, and faxed them bid requests. Eventually - weeks after we made the purchase - they submitted a bid for a very different configuration than we'd specified. > > Ergo still exists? Impressive tenacity! > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu > www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 2 20:44:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA202986241; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:44:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28878; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 2 May 1998 20:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28648; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28636; Sat, 2 May 1998 20:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash6-181.flash.net [209.30.75.181]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13560 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 19:40:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <354BBD06.642601A6@flash.net> Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 17:40:38 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Dilbert Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David Ross wrote: > to the VP in charge of sales. When I asked *him* for the name of someone who sold his printers he said - and this is the exact quote, as best as I remember it - "It is not corporate policy to divulge this information." This is the sort of nonsense that made Scott Adams popular! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 00:31:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014179884; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:31:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04910; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 00:26:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04719; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04704; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA09687; Sat, 2 May 1998 18:25:27 -1000 Message-Id: <000501bd764b$94c4eb80$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bay" , Subject: Re: TP 600 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 18:25:55 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >thing... in support, Dell is the best, Wintel is the worst... IBM is th = most=20 >aggravating because of the long delays, arrogant telephone staff and >extremely expensive fixes... so I cannot believe your comment that my >exeriences are "different that most laptop owners..." Look at all the >published suveys Well, the first 3 surveys I ran across on the internet don't agree with = you. Both a PC World survey: http://www.pcworld.com/hardware/desktop_pcs/articles/mar96/1403p192-1.htm= l and a very recent PC magazine survey: http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/perfectpc/surveypc/notevend.htm put IBM quite high (not better than Dell or Micron or Gateway, but all = in the roughly the same ballpark, depending on the survey). So did a = Windows magazine survey from last fall http://www.winmag.com/library/1997/0801/featu127.htm though this was predominantly for desktop systems. I've had my own major problems with IBM support, including a downtime of = several weeks on one machine, so I don't mean to defend them blindly, = and I entirely agree that they are often annoying and rude on the = telephone. I've also never tried to get an IBM serviced out of the = warrantee period. =20 However, one thing I really appreciate about the machines is that (1) = the problems eventually do get resolved, or the defective machines = replaced, and (2) they maintain support of older machines, and do a good = job of posting support files and fixes online. (By contrast, I have a = Micron Transport with APM and video incompatibilities with IE4 which = they never intend to resolve - though they're quite nice on the phone = when they say this:-) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 00:50:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026501031; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:50:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05984; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 00:46:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05836; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05824; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:46:01 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (dd61-071.dub.compuserve.com [199.174.205.71]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id AAA24095 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980503001025.0081b100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 00:10:25 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: NeoMagic In-Reply-To: <003501bd74d0$7b592020$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 09:12 PM 4/30/98 -1000, you wrote: >I would guess that anyone who actually buys these chips >can get a SDK for them. If you mean, "buy these chips in large quantities, direct from the manufacturer", I would guess that your guess is right. Of course, I think that the person who buys small quantities (even one) of these chips, embedded in a board or computer system, should have the ability to get this information, too. I'm not saying that I think it should have to be free. If there's a stack of paper and postage, it might be appropriate to charge as much as $50-100 for it. If it's in a PDF file, downloadable over the internet, it might be appropriate to charge as much as $0 for it, with the costs of producing it amortized just the same as the engineering costs to develop the chip. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNUvuLuukCaFXG1W9AQFOmQgAk0bc8pdDXJLMK0OA3xNq3aXpZeIvWfon eqQai0X+X9EfoBw7oHVUhQySlcviMewRVA1SkGXpckL1F15wox3of3jHMHXH/iLu DrmWWPKo/68IEmqRzJLcx7dUJgNql/E8oAJoz3ZbHlBq6zebe1/8f+OHJGUkUWst 8D5bZe9pUDiIBm1ssbTY+wfokJF19BWcbaRzU0qcYpZQlnrVV4vkLcyVxuEYuXXc tUk0CMUM2eHBeckbVM72bWxsbpG3eg8cphaevXE9gYUwmsQExPWFOZ+0EL/kfODn nzMa7L+Yg2t5cyIe+uYiJZLFUPqmtqhXDrCVznrQNnkybnNfr/pCcw== =vU95 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 00:53:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA027671184; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06401; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 00:49:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06228; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06192; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts04.loop.net (p25.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.160]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22394; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805030447.VAA22394@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "David Ross" , "Ray Bay" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 May 98 21:47:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 2 May 1998 11:26:07 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>In my extensive experience (292 machines) with IBM, Dell, Gateway, Micron, HP, >>Winbook, and Ergo, there is no worse support than IBM > >Your experiences are so different from most laptop owners I know that I wonder if you either (a) have different support needs than average users, or (b) mean something different by "worse support". > >Were all these machines laptops, seviced centrally? IBM desktop support is notoriously bad, and I've never heard of a local IBM authorized service center that could repair a hangnail, let alone a computer. > LOL. That's definately true. When my 355C had problems, the service center really screwed up the system, where it wouldn't boot. Fortunately, my insurance company covered it, which is why I have my 701. And I've seen close, but not as drastic, when trying to get my 701 fixed. They wouldn't really look at it, but said "Yeah, we can ship it in to Easyserve!". >>support here. HP support has been wonderful for us, but not as good as Dell. > > >As long as they stay in the laptop business - when Dell pulled out briefly a few years back, they also stopped supporting their previous laptop customers! > >I've never had any experience with Gateway. When I solicited bids a few years back for some equipment >we were buying, I called, emailed, and faxed them bid requests. Eventually - weeks after we made the >purchase - they submitted a bid for a very different configuration than we'd specified. > I never cared much for Gateway, and after looking at a dead Solo, it looks extremely flimsy. Yuck! >Ergo still exists? Impressive tenacity! > Yup, I occasionally see them in some magazines. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 00:55:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028891353; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:55:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06984; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 00:51:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06717; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06690; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts04.loop.net (p25.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.160]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22588; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805030450.VAA22588@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 May 98 21:50:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 2 May 1998 11:34:49 -1000, David Ross wrote: >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Ray Bay wrote: >> >>> Take a look at the >>> new HP Pentium II's > > >Unfortunately, they use Lithium Polymer batteries with a very small number of recharge cycles, something like >half the already pathetic Li-Ion norm, so budget for some spare batteries ! > Is Li-Ion really that bad? Worse than NiMH? >>spoken to knew next to nothing about the machine. This may be different in >>the States but here in Europe they should take a lesson from IBM. > > >In the US, HP service is very very good. I don't know what it is about European divisions of computer companies. A dozen or so years I was outfitting an English university with a technical word processing setup. I knew that the software I'd chosen worked very well with Toshiba printers, but I wasn't able to find anyone who sold them. I called Toshiba UK to get the name of a supplier, and eventually made my way to the VP in charge of sales. When I asked *him* for the name of someone who sold his printers he said - and this is the exact quote, as best as I remember it - "It is not corporate policy to divulge this information." -- ! > That's absolutely absurd. In some ways, it sounds like IBM, too. Fortunately, when I went that high, the practically replaced my whole ThinkPad after I filed a complaint with them. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 00:57:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA030481456; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:57:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07403; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07172; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07140; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts04.loop.net (p25.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.160]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA22896; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805030453.VAA22896@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "paphbob@flash.net" Date: Sat, 02 May 98 21:53:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Dilbert Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 02 May 1998 17:40:38 -0700, Bob Garagliano wrote: >David Ross wrote: > >> to the VP in charge of sales. When I asked *him* for the name of someone who sold his printers he said - and this is the exact quote, as best as I remember it - "It is not corporate policy to divulge this information." > > This is the sort of nonsense that made Scott Adams popular! > > Maybe they should do Dilbert cartoons with the HelpCenter and EasyServe. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 03:28:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096770507; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:28:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12214; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 03:22:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11947; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11934; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts12.loop.net (p24.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.159]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA01985; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:21:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199804301921.MAA01985@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "os2support@theriver.com" Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 12:20:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Battery life? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 30 Apr 98 10:30:25 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: >In <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com>, on 04/29/98 > at 10:17 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: > >>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 19:29:10 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>>I understand a night in the freezer while fully charged can regenerate a battery.. >>> >>It seems quite ironic also that batteries in the freezer/fridge last >>longer, while batteries running in a hot environment last longer. >>You'd think the opposite. > >Huh? What are you trying to say here. I think it was: >"It seems quite ironic that batteries in the freezer/fridge last >longer, while batteries running in a hot environment do not. You'd >think the opposite". No. Okay, I heard that storing batteries in a cold environment means longer shelf life/charge remaining. It is the opposite with hot environments. Now when running the battery, I heard that running it in a hot environment means longer run time, wheras running it in a cold environment yields less run time. Now does that hopefully make more sense? I didn't mean to confuse everyone. This is a quirk with NICad based batteries, >which include NIMH. They are actually more powerful cold than hot. >Also, they tend to "bleed" power faster the warmer they are. And >putting them in a cold environment can accelerate the breakdown of >crystals which form in them over time. > Ahh, so you do understand somewhat. Maybe you read my sentence wrong. This happens to me occasionally. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 04:00:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110012418; Sun, 3 May 1998 04:00:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13098; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 03:56:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13018; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13006; Sun, 3 May 1998 03:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA10266; Sat, 2 May 1998 21:56:27 -1000 Message-Id: <002901bd7669$0cd87d40$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , Subject: Batteries (was: Re: TP 600) Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 21:56:57 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Is Li-Ion really that bad? Worse than NiMH? In terms of recharge cycles, best is NiCad (or lead-acid:-). NIMH is = much worse, L-Ion a little worse than NIMH, Lithium Polymer much worse = than L-Ion, and Zinc-Air another order of magnitude worse. Of course, few reasonable people take discharge cycles as the important = measure of battery quality. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 11:52:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA006360778; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:52:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27954; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 11:47:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27686; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27669; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial4.waterw.com (dial4.waterw.com [209.107.20.19]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA28738 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805031547.LAA28738@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 11:49:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Support Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal References: <001201bd7610$ee344840$fb32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 2 May 98 at 16:32, Ray Bay wrote: > But I go to a LOT of meetings and training sesssions where I meet a LOT of > experienced MIS managers... and they tell me basically the sme thing... in > support, Dell is the best, Wintel is the worst... IBM is th most aggravating > because of the long delays, arrogant telephone staff and extremely expensive > fixes. As an organization that refurbishes donated computers for non-profits, we come into frequent contact with most of the manufacturers when seeking support for relatively old machines. I have to agree that Dell is the best on supporting their full range of installed equipment, followed closely by IBM (although FINDING the info is sometimes very frustrating). Compaq is also frustrating at times when seeking info on their peripherals. Gateway is somewhere out in left field on their own and on any given day contacting them can range from very rewarding to downright infuriating. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 13:24:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049286286; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:24:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01151; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 13:19:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00987; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00975; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03363; Sun, 3 May 1998 11:19:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 11:19:43 -0600 (MDT) From: PictureRock Technologies To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Support In-Reply-To: <199805031547.LAA28738@water.waterw.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've always had difficulty characterizing Gateway's service and support. Your comment says it as well as anybody has. Ray Bay > Gateway is somewhere out in left field on their own and on any given day > contacting them can range from very rewarding to downright infuriating. > James H. E. Maugham, V.P. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 16:30:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA129967422; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:30:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07038; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 16:22:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06236; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06191; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id VAA014.93; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:18:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199805032018.VAA014.93@bradnet> Date: Sun, 3 May 98 21:18:45 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Re-charging batteries To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there any way to re-charge ThinkPad batteries without accessing the computer? BTW what is a good source for TP batteries and how can I tell what is suitable for a 760C? -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 16:35:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA133357726; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:35:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07039; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 16:22:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06220; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06184; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id VAA014.99; Sun, 3 May 1998 21:21:29 +0100 Message-Id: <199805032021.VAA014.99@bradnet> Date: Sun, 3 May 98 21:21:29 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: SRAM cards To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 512KB EPSON SRAM card which I can use with my HP OmniGo. Is there any way I can access this under OS/2 on my TP760C? -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 16:58:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA143459129; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:58:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08785; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 16:52:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08476; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net ([208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08459; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (153.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.153]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA12044; Sun, 3 May 1998 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354CDA59.6FD5AACF@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 16:58:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , "os2support@theriver.com" Subject: Re: Battery life? References: <199804301921.MAA01985@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 98 10:30:25 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: > > >In <199804300517.WAA24320@stevie.loop.com>, on 04/29/98 > > at 10:17 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: ** the usual drivel, which was snipped and dumped in the bit bucket** NOTE: Computer Shopper, May '98 has an article about batteries, life and more.. this is NOT the meaning of life, for that we look to Monty Python.. :-) p.s. sorry paul, the drivel was NOT drivel.. :-) -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 17:35:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA160821334; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:35:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10531; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 17:28:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10018; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net ([208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10004; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (153.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.153]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA18104; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354CE2B1.6373527B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:33:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re-charging batteries References: <199805032018.VAA014.93@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John.. the 760C uses Li batteries.. i forgot if you can use a NiMH in there as well, but i think not.. there is an external charger available... the best source is the manufacturer or a big direct vendor.. no need in paying big bucks for a battery thats a year or two old, even if unused.. i, personally, have never owned one TP long enough for the battery to die, except now that i am hanging onto two 701C's, i may learn what its like.. :-) there are people who repack a bad battery, and if the use good cells, then those should work well.. only thing i would be wary of is a rebuilt battery where the cells have been soldered to the jumper wires.. cells get too hot and they give it up before they should.. John Poltorak wrote: > Is there any way to re-charge ThinkPad batteries without accessing the > computer? > > BTW what is a good source for TP batteries and how can I tell what is > suitable for a 760C? > > -- > John -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 20:37:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA249632266; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:37:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15591; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 20:29:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14947; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14935; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:29:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a27.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.155]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25576; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:28:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199805040028.RAA25576@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 98 17:31:28 -0700 To: John Poltorak , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199805032018.VAA014.93@bradnet> Subject: Re: Re-charging batteries X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199805032018.VAA014.93@bradnet>, on 05/03/98 at 09:18 PM, John Poltorak said: >Is there any way to re-charge ThinkPad batteries without accessing >the computer? yes, with a battery charger. >BTW what is a good source for TP batteries and how can I tell what is >suitable for a 760C? I use Computer Discount Warehouse, http://www.cdw.com, but I suggest using PriceWatch at http://www.pricewatch.com James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 20:38:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA249862292; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:38:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15702; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 20:32:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15189; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15135; Sun, 3 May 1998 20:32:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a27.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.155]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA26098; Sun, 3 May 1998 17:31:14 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199805040031.RAA26098@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sun, 03 May 98 17:33:44 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <354CE2B1.6373527B@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Re-charging batteries X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <354CE2B1.6373527B@icanect.net>, on 05/03/98 at 05:33 PM, Bill Morrow said: >John.. >the 760C uses Li batteries.. >i forgot if you can use a NiMH in there as well, but i think not.. >there is an external charger available... Extnd Micro makes one for Thinkpad 760s for use with either Li-Ion or NiMH batteries. What I do not suggest is mixing them inside of the Thinkpad. NiMH batteries supposedly start to overcharge when used in parallel with Li-ion batteries leading to a mess (or fire if one is not careful). James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 23:23:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA030392234; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:23:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22570; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 23:13:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21517; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21505; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (slip166-72-238-119.fl.us.ibm.net [166.72.238.119]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA17312 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 03:12:41 GMT Message-Id: <199805040312.DAA17312@out4.ibm.net> X-Sender: ammeq@pop03.ca.us.ibm.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:12:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Scott Lewis Subject: hibernation in 560c Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had to replace my HD in my 560. With a fresh Win95 instakll in place and TP utilities, I no longer can hibernate or suspend. What do I need to do to get this back? I've been all over the TP IBM site with no results. I ca not find or create the "hfile" Thanks Scott Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 3 23:23:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA030432235; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:23:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22567; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 3 May 1998 23:15:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21625; Sun, 3 May 1998 23:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zip.com.au (root@mail.zip.com.au [203.12.97.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04746; Sun, 3 May 1998 00:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haggis.sentor.com.au (doctor40.zip.com.au [203.62.149.40]) by mail.zip.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02016 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 14:26:09 +1000 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980503042530.006fe89c@zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@zip.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 14:25:30 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Scott Subject: Chunky DVD playback in 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, More troubles! I had to do a reinstall of the Audio/Video/MPEG drivers on my 770. All went well except that the DVD playback is all chunky, black appears purple (its like switching to a lower color resolution - but this is not the case). any ideas? c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 00:14:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA053755281; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:14:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25074; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 00:08:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24440; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net ([208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24425; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (157.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.157]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA05660 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354D409B.AD4A8DF5@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 00:14:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c References: <199805040312.DAA17312@out4.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Scott.. Scott Lewis wrote: > I had to replace my HD in my 560. With a fresh Win95 instakll in place and > TP utilities, I no longer can hibernate or suspend. > > What do I need to do to get this back? I've been all over the TP IBM site > with no results. I ca not find or create the "hfile" i don't have a 560, but usually IBM uses a command thus:c:\thinkpad\ps2 hfile c, where "c" is the logical drive you want the hibernate file to be.. if you need the "ps2.exe" file, i'll email it to you.. -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 02:13:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA114742427; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:13:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29884; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 02:08:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29402; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.236.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29378; Mon, 4 May 1998 02:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kkk (131.220.225.83,1052) by IBM.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (IBM/VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 01 May 98 11:27:54 MEZ Message-Id: <000901bd74eb$604a2390$53e1dc83@kkk> From: "Kai Kranzmann" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:24:51 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 04:37:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174911056; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:37:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05710; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 04:31:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05310; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhartley.demon.co.uk (jhartley.demon.co.uk [158.152.49.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05298; Mon, 4 May 1998 04:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jhartley.demon.co.uk from localhost (router,SLmail95 V2.4); Mon, 04 May 1998 09:31:12 GMT Daylight Time Received: by jhartley.demon.co.uk from jhartley.demon.co.uk (158.152.49.1::mail daemon; unverified,SLmail95 V2.4); Mon, 04 May 1998 09:31:12 GMT Daylight Time Reply-To: "Jeff Hartley" From: "Jeff Hartley" To: "'Thinkpad list'" Subject: Introduction Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:44:03 +0100 Message-Id: <002101bd7736$fe98ad80$0131989e@jhartley.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi to all, I'd just like to take a moment to introduce myself to the list. I am a works manager at a small engineering company in Manchester, England. I use (own) an IBM Thinkpad 760ED with 32 meg of ram, a 1.2g HD and all the usual ED goodies. I use a D-Link Ethernet PCcard to connect to both my home and work networks (co-ax), a Nokia cellular PCcard and a no-name 33.6 PCcard modem for land-line (which is in fact better than my Accura on my base machine). I also use a Fuji-DS-7 digital camera which I use to take pictures onsite, I then relay them over cellular or landline back to work via the net in e-mail. For a CD-ROM I use an external 24X CD Rom which was converted >from a HP 7100e CDR box. Mostly I use the TP to organise my time and resources at work and for generating small Autocad drawings "on the fly" as it were. This is only my second Laptop, I also have a Digital Hi-Note Ultra, and was a little sceptical that a laptop could replace a desktop in my job but the TP has proved those fears to be unfounded, I am mightily impressed. This machine has so much potential, I can't see my needing another laptop for a long long time. I also want to ask a small question, is there a problem installing Microsoft's DirectX 5 on these machines? I tried to install it but it chokes on installation. I know this is trivial and to be honest I only need it to play Monkey Island 3 in lunch breaks but I'd like to get it going :) I hope to learn a lot from your experiences with these machines and hopefully pass on the little I know myself. Best wishes to all Regards, Jeff. (jeff@jhartley.demon.co.uk) ICQ UIN10948456 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 05:44:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA202095092; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:44:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13635; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 05:39:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13234; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13222; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JohnMotsie@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FRWZa19024 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 05:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnMotsie Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:38:32 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Scott Lewis wrote: > I had to replace my HD in my 560. With a fresh Win95 instakll in place and > TP utilities, I no longer can hibernate or suspend. > > What do I need to do to get this back? I've been all over the TP IBM site > with no results. I ca not find or create the "hfile" My 560 has this command as the last entry in the autoexec.bat: C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 07:36:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248451798; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:36:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16190; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 07:28:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15527; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15513; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:28:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199805041128.HAA15513@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:30:05 -0400 To: John Callahan , Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:16:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes and it reads (for me anyway) quite well. Unfortunately the screens were not on TP's! They were HP's and Toshiba's. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: 1024 x 768 on a 12.1" screen? Author: Randal Whittle at Internet Date: 4/28/98 8:12 AM At 07:54 AM 4/28/98 , John Callahan wrote: > >Does anyone have experience using 1024 x 768 resolution on a 12.1" >screen? Does anyone know if 1024 x 768 even *exists* on a 12.1" screen? If so, I'd like to know about it, as I have similar feelings as John does below. >I would like to avoid the added weight and cost of a larger screen, >but am concerned about the readability of 1024 x 768 on a smaller >screen. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 07:58:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA255703114; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:58:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17183; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 07:55:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16970; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16946; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BDoviack@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FJHHa15187 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 07:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: BDoviack Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 07:54:23 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; 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Mon, 4 May 1998 06:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <354DC4F6.59E29687@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 06:39:02 -0700 From: SPG Organization: Pacific Bell Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 10:15:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA020201310; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:15:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28482; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 10:11:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28253; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from teddy.netsoft.ro (root@teddy.netsoft.ro [193.226.123.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25219; Mon, 4 May 1998 09:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad (ttyC4.netsoft.ro [193.226.115.229]) by teddy.netsoft.ro (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21969; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:53:32 +0300 Message-Id: <199805041353.QAA21969@teddy.netsoft.ro> From: "Cristian DUSA" To: "Scott Lewis" , Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 16:46:44 +0300 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1154 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Perhaps you enabled FAT32 option when you installed/formatted the hard-disk and - under Win95/OSR 2/FAT32, hibernation file cannot be created, neither under Win95 GUI (Control Panel/Power Management/Hibernation or command-prompt session (AUTOEXEC.BAT line "C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C"). As I know (on my 760 CD machine it's the same problem since I've installed Win95 OSR2 + FAT 32). If you reconvert the FAT32 to FAT16 (with PartitionMagic 3.0 - the only method I know) hibernation file will be created and Hibernate mode (Fn-F12) will work also. But I preferred the advantage of the 4K cluster in FAT32 over the hibernation functions... Cristian DUSA cdusa@netsoft.ro ---------- > From: Scott Lewis > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: hibernation in 560c > Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 6:12 PM > > I had to replace my HD in my 560. With a fresh Win95 instakll in place and > TP utilities, I no longer can hibernate or suspend. > > What do I need to do to get this back? I've been all over the TP IBM site > with no results. I ca not find or create the "hfile" > > Thanks > > Scott Lewis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 10:58:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA041113883; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:58:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04632; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 10:52:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04122; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04073; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA24829; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:52:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:52:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Rambouillet Ranch To: Jeff Hartley Cc: "'Thinkpad list'" Subject: Re: Introduction In-Reply-To: <002101bd7736$fe98ad80$0131989e@jhartley.demon.co.uk> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I use (own) an IBM Thinkpad 760ED with 32 meg of ram, a 1.2g HD and all the > usual ED goodies. I use a D-Link Ethernet PCcard to connect to both my home > and work networks (co-ax), a Nokia cellular PCcard and a no-name 33.6 PCcard > modem for land-line (which is in fact better than my Accura on my base Why this modem arrangement? The 760ED has the IBM MWave modem. > I also want to ask a small question, is there a problem installing > Microsoft's DirectX 5 on these machines? I tried to install it but it chokes > on installation. I know this is trivial and to be honest I only need it to > play Monkey Island 3 in lunch breaks but I'd like to get it going :) What do you mean, "Chokes"? Extra space is required on your hard drive... How much space do you have before you begin to install DirectX 5? How much is calculated after? Suggest you optimize your hard drive and consider compressing it if you don't have at least 19 Mb free AFTER the DirectX install. Do you have REGClean... if not, it might be handy to download (free) from Microsoft and run it. What software are you running? Office Pro 97? Have all the fix paks been downloaded from Microsoft for all the software you use? It is also possible that your CD ROM needs attention... many of the 760ED CDROMS were only 4X and some of those had problems with some game software. You may have tried all those ideas. If so, I would be sure you have downloaded all the support paks on the IBM website... There are at least 6 upgrade downloads available... Prepare to take a sandwich. Ray From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 11:33:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA058446012; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:33:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10910; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 11:24:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10369; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10350; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JohnMotsie@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id ENYLa25489; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JohnMotsie Message-Id: <38d4dfcf.354ddd42@aol.com> Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:41 EDT To: cdusa@netsoft.ro Cc: sl@eyequip.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 98-05-04 10:12:24 EDT, you write: << under Win95/OSR 2/FAT32, hibernation file cannot be created, >> I have a 560e (150MMX w/FAT32) and this AUTOEXEC.BAT line "C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C". Hibernation works fine. Go figure? If I delete the disable hibernation in ThinkPad Features, the file is deleted, but automatically reestablished the next time I boot. If I delete the above line in AUTOEXEC.BAT, then the file is not made a bootup. Whatever... John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 12:18:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA080688701; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:18:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16184; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 12:14:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15879; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15865; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (133.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.133]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA07518; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354DEA82.EFA46085@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:19:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Cristian DUSA Cc: Scott Lewis , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c References: <199805041353.QAA21969@teddy.netsoft.ro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Cristian.. i must differ with you on this question.. see below for comments.. Cristian DUSA wrote: > Perhaps you enabled FAT32 option when you installed/formatted the hard-disk > and - under Win95/OSR 2/FAT32, hibernation file cannot be created, neither > under Win95 GUI (Control Panel/Power Management/Hibernation or > command-prompt session (AUTOEXEC.BAT line "C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C"). on all of my machines i have created the hibernate file on a fat32 file system..using osr2, of course, but i have niot tried this with win98-RC1, but i will if you wish.. both automatically using the ps2 utility, AND manually, with a dos window under win95-B (osr2).. > > > As I know (on my 760 CD machine it's the same problem since I've installed > Win95 OSR2 + FAT 32). If you reconvert the FAT32 to FAT16 (with > PartitionMagic 3.0 - the only method I know) hibernation file will be > created and Hibernate mode (Fn-F12) will work also. > The 701 is a special case, since the hibernate file is created from the bios and the bios does not neccessarily see a fat32 partition.. i am not certain, since my 701's all use 2 or 3 or 4gig drives and the bios sure does not see anything larger than 1gig.. all it will report is the remaining amount OVER the 1gig limit..so, what I do is create a small (43meg) partition, label it as hibernate, and make it fat16.. thus the drive is a fat32 (4k clusters) except for the 43meg logical partition, which is, i thing 1k clusters of less.. fat32 will see fat16 partitions.. the reverse is not neccessarily so, unless you are using osr2/fat16 to 'see' the fat32 partition.. > But I preferred the advantage of the 4K cluster in FAT32 over the > hibernation functions... > > Cristian DUSA > cdusa@netsoft.ro > > ---------- > > From: Scott Lewis > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: hibernation in 560c > > Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 6:12 PM > > > > I had to replace my HD in my 560. With a fresh Win95 instakll in place > and > > TP utilities, I no longer can hibernate or suspend. > > > > What do I need to do to get this back? I've been all over the TP IBM > site > > with no results. I ca not find or create the "hfile" > > > > Thanks > > > > Scott Lewis -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 12:30:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA085909409; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:30:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11423; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 11:25:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10682; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from society.massmed.org (SOCIETY.massmed.org [208.28.24.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10619; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from massmed.org (d252.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.67.252]) by society.massmed.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA32612 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354DDDC1.45C36112@massmed.org> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 11:24:49 -0400 From: philr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 12:57:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA100101052; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:57:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19323; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 12:54:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19193; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19168; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (133.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.133]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA20589; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354DF3FD.4D89D9E5@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 12:59:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rambouillet Ranch Cc: Jeff Hartley , "'Thinkpad list'" Subject: Re: Introduction References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray.. good answer.. should cover it all, except an errent thought.. which version is he running..?? osr2 works VERY WELL on the ED, as does directx 5 and all the rest.. i have the newest flight sim and it loaded fine on my 760ED.. uhh.. the HDD might just be filled, and if he is NOT using fat32, this upgrade is in order.. that way he won't need a larger HDD right away.. (IF, he is running it as it came from IBM with one partition and, thus, 32k clusters..) :-) Rambouillet Ranch wrote: > > I use (own) an IBM Thinkpad 760ED with 32 meg of ram, a 1.2g HD and all the > > usual ED goodies. I use a D-Link Ethernet PCcard to connect to both my home > > and work networks (co-ax), a Nokia cellular PCcard and a no-name 33.6 PCcard > > modem for land-line (which is in fact better than my Accura on my base > > Why this modem arrangement? The 760ED has the IBM MWave modem. > > > I also want to ask a small question, is there a problem installing > > Microsoft's DirectX 5 on these machines? I tried to install it but it chokes > > on installation. I know this is trivial and to be honest I only need it to > > play Monkey Island 3 in lunch breaks but I'd like to get it going :) > > What do you mean, "Chokes"? > > Extra space is required on your hard drive... How much space do you have > before you begin to install DirectX 5? How much is calculated after? > Suggest you optimize your hard drive and consider compressing it if you don't > have at least 19 Mb free AFTER the DirectX install. Do you have REGClean... > if not, it might be handy to download (free) from Microsoft and run it. > > What software are you running? Office Pro 97? Have all the fix paks been > downloaded from Microsoft for all the software you use? > > It is also possible that your CD ROM needs attention... many of the 760ED > CDROMS were only 4X and some of those had problems with some game software. > > You may have tried all those ideas. If so, I would be sure you have > downloaded all the support paks on the IBM website... There are at least 6 > upgrade downloads available... Prepare to take a sandwich. > > Ray -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 14:26:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA146246407; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:26:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25691; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 14:21:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25352; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25314; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-234.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.234]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA12836 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:20:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805041820.UAA12836@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:20:12 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: SCSI and 755 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running a 755 CDV and would like to use a scanner from OS/2 Warp 4. As the only supported scanners are SCSI ones, I would like to know if it possible to install a SCSI port on my laptop (PCMCIA cards ?) and if yes which one is the "best" ? Has anybody experience in using SCSI devices on 755's ? Thanks a lot Francois 05/04/98 14:15:07 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 14:42:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA152877365; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:42:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26919; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 14:35:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26790; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26764; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (133.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.133]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA23343; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354E0BAC.740F8A85@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 14:40:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Francois Hurter Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SCSI and 755 References: <199805041820.UAA12836@swissonline.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Francois.. when i had a 755CE i used an Adaptec Slim SCSI card.. i believe it was a 1460.. now, there is a newer one.. Adaptec is among the best and the slimscsi card works fine on the 755CE.. when i was doing that i was using a NEC 4x SCSI CD-ROM.. Francois Hurter wrote: > Hi, > I'm running a 755 CDV and would like to use a scanner from OS/2 Warp 4. > As the only supported scanners are SCSI ones, I would like to know if it > possible to install a SCSI port on my laptop (PCMCIA cards ?) and if yes > which one is the "best" ? > Has anybody experience in using SCSI devices on 755's ? > Thanks a lot > Francois > > 05/04/98 14:15:07 > Francois Hurter > CompuServe: 100041,1117 > Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 14:43:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA153487429; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:43:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27743; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27573; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.monumental.com (mail1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27528; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ira-kay (headsup.c-more.com [206.239.28.8]) by mail1.monumental.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17039; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "C-MORE Systems" To: "Francois Hurter" , Subject: RE: SCSI and 755 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:39:24 -0400 Message-Id: <000001bd778b$f6a96ce0$081cefce@ira-kay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199805041820.UAA12836@swissonline.ch> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've run an adaptec pcmcia SCSI card to a HP4p scanner with no problems on a 755CDV. However it was running Win'95 B version. Check to see if there are OS/2 drivers for whatever card you buy. Ira Kay Hi, I'm running a 755 CDV and would like to use a scanner from OS/2 Warp 4. As the only supported scanners are SCSI ones, I would like to know if it possible to install a SCSI port on my laptop (PCMCIA cards ?) and if yes which one is the "best" ? Has anybody experience in using SCSI devices on 755's ? Thanks a lot Francois 05/04/98 14:15:07 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 14:55:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA161208128; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:55:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28819; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 14:50:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28629; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28603; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA00563; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00049541; Mon, 4 May 98 11:53:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 11:52:43 -0700 Message-Id: <00049541.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: "Francois Hurter" , , Subject: Re[2]: SCSI and 755 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.220803498" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.220803498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I've used two versions of Adaptec's Slim SCSI - the first version had a connection for the Centronics SCSI connector. The later version of that card had a high-density SCSI-2 connector. both worked well with Win3.11, W95 and Linux. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: SCSI and 755 Author: at Internet Date: 5/4/98 2:39 PM I've run an adaptec pcmcia SCSI card to a HP4p scanner with no problems on a 755CDV. However it was running Win'95 B version. Check to see if there are OS/2 drivers for whatever card you buy. Ira Kay Hi, I'm running a 755 CDV and would like to use a scanner from OS/2 Warp 4. As the only supported scanners are SCSI ones, I would like to know if it possible to install a SCSI port on my laptop (PCMCIA cards ?) and if yes which one is the "best" ? Has anybody experience in using SCSI devices on 755's ? Thanks a lot Francois 05/04/98 14:15:07 Francois Hurter CompuServe: 100041,1117 Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch --IMA.Boundary.220803498 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-1.pilot.net (198.232.147.16) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00049533; Mon, 4 May 98 11:47:46 -0700 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-1.pilot.net with ESMTP id LAA00060 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27748; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27573; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.monumental.com (mail1.mnsinc.com [206.55.3.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27528; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ira-kay (headsup.c-more.com [206.239.28.8]) by mail1.monumental.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17039; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "C-MORE Systems" To: "Francois Hurter" , Subject: RE: SCSI and 755 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:39:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd778b$f6a96ce0$081cefce@ira-kay> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199805041820.UAA12836@swissonline.ch> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.220803498-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 14:58:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA163148337; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:58:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29759; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 14:56:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29549; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29491; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA16712; Mon, 4 May 1998 08:55:31 -1000 Message-Id: <003c01bd778e$49c74760$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Francois Hurter" , Subject: Re: SCSI and 755 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:56:03 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu One think to be careful about with laptop scsi is that many of the = cheaper scsi cards will *not* run a scanner, only storage media (Zip, = CD, HD). For example, the Adaptec 1450 is storage only (you need the = more expensive 1460 for a scanner). Check manufacturer web pages for = supported devices! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 15:17:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA171389460; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:17:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01562; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 15:13:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01457; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01436; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts09.loop.net (p09.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.54]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA06764; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:12:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805041912.MAA06764@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 03 May 98 07:22:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Batteries (was: Re: TP 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 2 May 1998 21:56:57 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>Is Li-Ion really that bad? Worse than NiMH? > > >In terms of recharge cycles, best is NiCad (or lead-acid:-). NIMH is much worse, L-Ion a little worse than NIMH, Lithium Polymer much worse than L-Ion, and Zinc-Air another order of magnitude worse. > >Of course, few reasonable people take discharge cycles as the important measure of battery quality. > But I guess each would have to have important advantages, also. My personal favorite would be Sealed Lead Acid, but it's obviously too heavy for notebook use. I think it was either the 500 or 510cs that came with SLA for a little while. I also like NiMH, too. So, what does Lithium Polymer have that Li-Ion doesn't? And I already know about Zinc air having a lousy number of recharge cycles, but a long charge, like the whole day. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 15:38:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184560696; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:38:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03439; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 15:32:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03152; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03110; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts09.loop.net (p09.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.54]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09121; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805041929.MAA09121@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 04 May 98 12:29:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SRAM cards Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 3 May 98 21:21:29 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >I have a 512KB EPSON SRAM card which I can use with my HP OmniGo. >Is there any way I can access this under OS/2 on my TP760C? > With the latest version of EasyPlaying, called PlayAtWill (included with Warp 4). I had an HP Omnigo 100 which I used (untill my brother cracked the LCD), and was able to access my SRAM card well under Warp. My card is made for GRID by some Japanese company (forgot who). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 15:40:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185890844; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:40:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03973; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 15:36:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03715; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03648; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts09.loop.net (p09.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.54]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09921; Mon, 4 May 1998 12:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805041935.MAA09921@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jeff Hartley" , "Rambouillet Ranch" Cc: "Thinkpad list" Date: Mon, 04 May 98 12:36:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Introduction Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 4 May 1998 08:52:20 -0600 (MDT), Rambouillet Ranch wrote: >> I use (own) an IBM Thinkpad 760ED with 32 meg of ram, a 1.2g HD and all the >> usual ED goodies. I use a D-Link Ethernet PCcard to connect to both my home >> and work networks (co-ax), a Nokia cellular PCcard and a no-name 33.6 PCcard >> modem for land-line (which is in fact better than my Accura on my base > >Why this modem arrangement? The 760ED has the IBM MWave modem. Remember that the Mwave sometimes has trouble with simultanious sound and modem use. One of the reasons I myself use a PCMCIA modem instead of the internal one is that the PCMCIA is faster, and even when I still had a 14.4 H&A, it was more reliable. I've had all kinds of problems with my built-in modem, and don't think that built-in modems are as good as PCMCIA ones. > >> I also want to ask a small question, is there a problem installing >> Microsoft's DirectX 5 on these machines? I tried to install it but it chokes >> on installation. I know this is trivial and to be honest I only need it to >> play Monkey Island 3 in lunch breaks but I'd like to get it going :) > >What do you mean, "Chokes"? > I think he means that it won't install, as in, it stops in the middle because of an unknown problem. >Extra space is required on your hard drive... How much space do you have -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 16:18:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204943103; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:18:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06831; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 16:14:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06672; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06655; Mon, 4 May 1998 16:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17339; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:17 -1000 Message-Id: <005d01bd7799$4b071960$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , Subject: Re: Batteries (was: Re: TP 600) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:48 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >My personal favorite would be Sealed Lead Acid, but it's obviously too = heavy for notebook You can get SLA portable power packs for camcorders which have an = automotive cigar lighter socket connectors for a very reasonable price, = i.e. $50-60 for a pack that should run a Thinkpad for 6 or 7 hours. If = I had an automotive adapter for my TP I'd probably buy one of these just = to see how well it works in practice. >I also like NiMH, too. So, what does Lithium Polymer have that Li-Ion = doesn't? =20 Thinner, lighter, can be twisted into special shapes. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 17:52:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252498753; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:52:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13039; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 17:47:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12682; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12651; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA29205; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:54:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 17:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: David Ross Cc: Paul Khoury , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad power sources In-Reply-To: <005d01bd7799$4b071960$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, 4th May 1998, David Ross wrote: > You can get SLA portable power packs for camcorders which have an > automotive cigar lighter socket connectors for a very reasonable price, > i.e. $50-60 for a pack that should run a Thinkpad for 6 or 7 hours. If > I had an automotive adapter for my TP I'd probably buy one of these just > to see how well it works in practice. There's a couple of companies that make the automotive adapters, of which some also provide the connectors for airplane usage. I'd gotten the APA-701 model from Lind Electronics for my 701C, and it works well for me. Another possibility is a solar adapter, such as the Mercury II, made by Keep It Simple Systems . Although it's pricy as compared to the other options, it'd probably be ideal for people living in sunny locales. The PC version comes with three different cables for various laptop models, one of which is ThinkPad-specific; it handles the 355, 360, 700, 750, 755, and 760 models. The other ThinkPads, including the 701C, require a special-order cable. In combination with a SLA battery (KISS also sells one, which comes with an AC adapter, an automotive adapter, booster cables, and a built-in flashlight), one ought to be able to reduce the cost of electricity for one's ThinkPad by a fair margin. Note that I have no financial interest in these companies - I'm just a satisfied customer of both. Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 18:04:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA257059453; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:04:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14299; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 18:02:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14209; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14186; Mon, 4 May 1998 18:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts13.loop.net (p07.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.172]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA20459; Mon, 4 May 1998 15:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805042201.PAA20459@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Mon, 04 May 98 15:02:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Batteries (was: Re: TP 600) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 4 May 1998 10:14:48 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>My personal favorite would be Sealed Lead Acid, but it's obviously too heavy for notebook > > >You can get SLA portable power packs for camcorders which have an automotive cigar lighter socket connectors for a very reasonable price, i.e. $50-60 for a pack that should run a Thinkpad for 6 or 7 hours. If I had an automotive adapter for my TP I'd probably buy one of these just to see how well it works in practice. > And make sure you can get it to the same voltage and ampherage as the ThinkPad AC adapter does. Have you done this before David? Was it hard to make the DC-DC inverter if so? >>I also like NiMH, too. So, what does Lithium Polymer have that Li-Ion doesn't? > >Thinner, lighter, can be twisted into special shapes. I guess that would be good for a bike light I'm trying to make for my bike, for now I'm going to buy a SLA battery that used to be in a UPS. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 19:14:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291503665; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:14:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17919; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 19:11:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17639; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17627; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 95.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.95]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA17682 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:10:52 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:10:38 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <354de4b7.34955667@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <38d4dfcf.354ddd42@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <38d4dfcf.354ddd42@aol.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:41 EDT, you wrote: ><< under Win95/OSR 2/FAT32, hibernation file cannot be created, >> > >I have a 560e (150MMX w/FAT32) and this AUTOEXEC.BAT line >"C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C". Hibernation works fine. Go figure? > >If I delete the disable hibernation in ThinkPad Features, the file is >deleted, but automatically reestablished the next time I boot. If I delete >the above line in AUTOEXEC.BAT, then the file is not made a bootup. Actually, I was surprised to see that people are using the create option in their autoexec.bat files, because mine is completely empty and I've had no problem with suspend on FAT32 or FAT16. Everything is handled nicely enough using Thinkpad Configurator on my 560. Btw, someone mentioned Partition Magic changing a partition back >from FAT32. Is there really no other way? I plan to dual boot Windows 95/NT soon, and I'll have to change my drive back in order for both to work properly. But before I'd buy PM, I'd simply do a format, install NT, install my software, then install Windows 95. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 19:28:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA297384518; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:28:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18754; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 19:26:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18628; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.epix.net (mx.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18614; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mohotta (tmbg-115ppp50.epix.net [199.224.115.50]) by mx.epix.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/1998040101/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id TAA22448 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805042325.TAA22448@mx.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-To: jt@epix.net Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 19:26:22 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Speaking of hibernation.... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While we're on the subject of hibernation, I have a 755CE with 16 meg; 540 meg drive partitioned as follows: Boot manager C1: FAT DOS C2: HPFS os2 v3 FOR windows (no fixpacks) D: FAT: windows code, etc. E: HPFS - os2 apps and data. There's a hibernation file (the machine does hibernate and come back) but I'm unable to figure out where I originally told it to put it. I'm considering cleaning the machine (at least the 2 C partitions and D) and making it all HPFS and all Warp 3 connect, but don't know how to deal with the hibernation file in this situation. -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Error #33: (A)bort this mess (R)etry last mistake (S)kip to new mess-up. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 20:04:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014836664; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:04:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20761; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 20:01:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20574; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20554; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA00942; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:01:35 -1000 Message-Id: <000a01bd77b9$0b8bac40$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Batteries (was: Re: TP 600) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:02:07 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: >>You can get SLA portable power packs for camcorders which have an = automotive cigar lighter socket=20 Paul wrote: >And make sure you can get it to the same voltage and ampherage as the = ThinkPad AC adapter does. No, no, my idea was a setup like the following: TP<-->Car adapter (from IBM or Xtend or Lind or whoever)<-->battery = pack. The adapter already does the conversion between the TP DC input and the = car battery 12vdc output. If I already had one of these converters, I = might spend the money for the battery pack just to see how well it = works; however, I really don't want to spend $50-$100 for the adapter = (which I will never use otherwise) on top of the battery cost. (BTW, if = anyone wants more info, I get catalogues from several photo companies = who sell such packs, I can quote some representative prices and specs.) - David From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 20:12:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA020437177; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:12:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21149; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 20:05:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20992; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20979; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA00968; Mon, 4 May 1998 14:04:31 -1000 Message-Id: <000d01bd77b9$763e6e60$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Christian Carey" Cc: "Paul Khoury" , Subject: Re: ThinkPad power sources Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 14:05:00 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Christian Carey wrote: >Another possibility is a solar adapter, such as the Mercury II, made by >Keep It Simple Systems .=20 I've been considering a solar panel for my ThinkPad for quite some time. = Problem is, my office is the darkest, dankest spot in Hawaii, and of = course outside the sun is way too bright to see the screen anyway = (otherwise I'd be doing all my work at the beach, or at least on my back = lanai). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 20:32:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA030318374; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:32:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22804; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 20:29:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22642; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw2.pacbell.net (mail-gw2.pacbell.net [206.13.28.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22623; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pacbell.net (ppp-206-170-24-9.sntc01.pacbell.net [206.170.24.9]) by mail-gw2.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with ESMTP id RAA26634 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 17:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <354E5B59.E9324A85@pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 17:20:41 -0700 From: Richard Hamel X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 21:01:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA044690070; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:01:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24728; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 20:52:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24170; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24158; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA06870; Mon, 4 May 1998 20:59:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: David Ross Cc: Paul Khoury , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad power sources In-Reply-To: <000d01bd77b9$763e6e60$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, 4th May 1998, David Ross wrote: > I've been considering a solar panel for my ThinkPad for quite some time. > Problem is, my office is the darkest, dankest spot in Hawaii, and of > course outside the sun is way too bright to see the screen anyway... I don't know how your office is situated window-wise, but KISS does sell extension cables for the Mercury II (which look an awful lot like keyboard extension cables to me). -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 4 21:38:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA062152321; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:38:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26867; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 21:35:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26540; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26528; Mon, 4 May 1998 21:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.91] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Mon, 4 May 98 20:35:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:35:29 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: SCSI and 755 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Francois Hurter Mon, 4 May 1998 20:20:12 GMT+1 > Has anybody experience in using SCSI devices on 755's ? Not on a 755 but my NEC labelled Adaptec 1460 works great on my 701c. It uses the AHA152X.ADD driver, the same one used for the 1520/1522 card. I use it for CD access and tape backup; I don't see why a supported scanner wouldn't work also. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 05/04/98, 20:35:27 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 00:08:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA135901315; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:08:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02467; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 4 May 1998 23:59:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02168; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02128; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (196.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.196]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA20024; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <354E8FDB.2527D211@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 00:04:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hibernation in 560c References: <38d4dfcf.354ddd42@aol.com> <354de4b7.34955667@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you're going to reload win95, then you need not do more than use fdisk.. i only had one 560 for about a week, and am quite unfamiliar with it.. Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Mon, 4 May 1998 11:22:41 EDT, you wrote: > ><< under Win95/OSR 2/FAT32, hibernation file cannot be created, >> > > > >I have a 560e (150MMX w/FAT32) and this AUTOEXEC.BAT line > >"C:\THINKPAD\PS2 HFILE C". Hibernation works fine. Go figure? > > > >If I delete the disable hibernation in ThinkPad Features, the file is > >deleted, but automatically reestablished the next time I boot. If I delete > >the above line in AUTOEXEC.BAT, then the file is not made a bootup. > > Actually, I was surprised to see that people are using the create > option in their autoexec.bat files, because mine is completely empty > and I've had no problem with suspend on FAT32 or FAT16. Everything is > handled nicely enough using Thinkpad Configurator on my 560. > Btw, someone mentioned Partition Magic changing a partition back > from FAT32. Is there really no other way? I plan to dual boot Windows > 95/NT soon, and I'll have to change my drive back in order for both to > work properly. But before I'd buy PM, I'd simply do a format, install > NT, install my software, then install Windows 95. > epbrown > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for > the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 00:08:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA135941317; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:08:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03125; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 00:05:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02945; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02930; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from john_smith.gtech.com (slip166-72-225-129.az.us.ibm.net [166.72.225.129]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA105854 for ; 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Tue, 5 May 1998 07:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pchang@localhost) by orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id HAA26423 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:02:17 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Chang Reply-To: Paul Chang To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe unsubscribe unsubscribe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Chang NOAA/NESDIS/Office of Research and Applications World Weather Building Rm102 E/RA3 Phone:301-763-8231 ext167 For US Postal Service: FAX:301-763-8020 4700 Silver Hill Road pchang@nesdis.noaa.gov Stop 9910 http://manati.wwb.noaa.gov/ Washington, DC 20233-9910 For UPS/FEDEX: 5200 Auth Road Camp Springs, MD 20746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 07:54:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA042669267; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:54:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23051; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 07:52:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22867; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22850; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerryray (209-142-33-10.stk.inreach.net [209.142.33.10] (may be forged)) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id EAA22049 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 04:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805051147.EAA22049@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Janice Ray" To: Subject: thinkpad 500 finding modem Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 04:47:33 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Thinkpad owners I need some help in finding a PCMCIA 28.8 or 33.6 modem for my 2 tp500's .I am new to the thinkpad world and do not know what I need to connect a pcmcia to my tp500's. do I need a docking station? Or will the modem simply connect into the type 2pc card slot? Or do you plug a cable from the modem into the type 2 pc card slot? Any help please? Also I have 2 Thinkpad 700's for sale. They both need repairs, or be sold for parts. One is 700c (color) and 1 is monochrome.Email if interested in more details,will sell cheap. Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 08:15:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050830538; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:15:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24071; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 08:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23917; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23903; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20586 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:13:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (rasip0306.uhc.com [168.183.48.77]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20582 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 07:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505080647.00a1f250@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:06:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: How to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:02 AM 5/5/98 -0400, Paul Chang wrote: >unsubscribe >unsubscribe >unsubscribe > FYI (and for all the other people trying to unsubscribe), there's a comment line in the header of every note from the TP list giving you the address to {un}subscribe: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 09:20:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079524457; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:20:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27897; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 09:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27609; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27597; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial20.waterw.com (dial20.waterw.com [209.107.20.35]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09617; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805051317.JAA09617@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: Paul Chang , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:20:20 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Stormy Weather?? Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 5 May 98 at 7:02, Paul Chang wrote: > unsubscribe > unsubscribe > unsubscribe > > Paul Chang > NOAA/NESDIS/Office of Research and Applications If these guys can't unsubscribe from a simple mail list, I guess we shouldn't be surprised by their weather forecast accuracy! :-) James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 09:32:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA083795147; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:32:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28635; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 09:25:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28375; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (orbit14i.wwb.noaa.gov [140.90.109.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28360; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pchang@localhost) by orbit14i.nesdis.noaa.gov (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id JAA27665; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:25:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:25:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Chang To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Stormy Weather?? In-Reply-To: <199805051317.JAA09617@water.waterw.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Instructions do help, and tp unrelated comments like these make this list more trouble than it is worth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 5 May 1998, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > On 5 May 98 at 7:02, Paul Chang wrote: > > > unsubscribe > > unsubscribe > > unsubscribe > > > > Paul Chang > > NOAA/NESDIS/Office of Research and Applications > > If these guys can't unsubscribe from a simple mail list, I guess we shouldn't > be surprised by their weather forecast accuracy! :-) > > James > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 09:48:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA093176131; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:48:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00122; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 09:47:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29917; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29904; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA08583; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:54:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Janice Ray Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad 500 finding modem In-Reply-To: <199805051147.EAA22049@mail.inreach.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tuesday, 5th May 1998, Janice Ray wrote: > I need some help in finding a PCMCIA 28.8 or 33.6 modem for my > 2 tp500's. I am new to the thinkpad world and do not know what I need > to connect a pcmcia to my tp500's. do I need a docking station? Or will > the modem simply connect into the type 2pc card slot? Or do you plug a > cable from the modem into the type 2 pc card slot? Any help please? I use the TDK Systems DF2814 Global Class V.34 PCMCIA fax/modem with my 701C. It sold as 28.8 (V.34), but an upgrade to 33.6 is available on the TDK Systems web site. A docking station isn't necessary to use it; the card slides into one of the Type II slots, and has a cable with a flat connector to the PCMCIA card on one side and a RJ-45 (standard USA modular) connector on the other side. It has software for DOS, Windows 3.1, and Windows 95, and a few telephone connector adapters for use in other countries; using the included software and the correct adapter, the card is approved for use in about 70 different countries. I think that TDK Systems now sell a newer Global Class card, but I've been (and continue to be) happy with this one. Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 11:32:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140672375; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:32:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06593; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 11:29:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06356; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06269; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-134.usc.edu [128.125.223.134]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA24558; Tue, 5 May 1998 08:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805051528.IAA24558@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 08:28:49 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Stormy Weather?? Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" In-Reply-To: References: <199805051317.JAA09617@water.waterw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:25 AM 5/5/98 , Paul Chang wrote: > >Instructions do help, and tp unrelated comments like these >make this list more trouble than it is worth. Then maybe you could focus your genuis on the fact that the "Comment" line in the header of EVERY ThinkPad List E-mail has instructions on how to un-subscribe from the list. It will even be on this message. Embarrassed yet? >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >On Tue, 5 May 1998, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > >> On 5 May 98 at 7:02, Paul Chang wrote: >> >> > unsubscribe >> > unsubscribe >> > unsubscribe >> > >> > Paul Chang >> > NOAA/NESDIS/Office of Research and Applications >> >> If these guys can't unsubscribe from a simple mail list, I guess we shouldn't >> be surprised by their weather forecast accuracy! :-) >> >> James ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 12:40:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA173856414; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:40:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10615; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 12:36:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10334; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10321; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA04689; Tue, 5 May 98 12:36:43 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <354F401A.2B516536@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:36:42 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP600 has NeoMagic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Our TP600s (266MHz Pentium II) just arrived. The graphics chip is the NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD. We had heard conflicting information about NeoMagic vs. Trident. So much for you XFree86 users out there. I don't even know if Accelerated X supports this chipset yet. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 13:48:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA207270505; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:48:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14466; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 13:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14005; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13991; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-179.usc.edu [128.125.227.179]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15110 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:43:25 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980505104514.00a14a2c@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:45:24 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: 28.8 MWAVE Drivers for Voice to Text Dictation ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu An IBM VTD document suggested switching back to 28.8 MWAVE drivers to maximize resources available for audio processing. Does anyone know whether this would make any difference vs simply setting 28.8 BPS under the 33.6 MWAVE drivers? If so, where could I download the 28.8 MWAVE drivers? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 13:58:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212061085; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:58:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15372; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 13:55:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15233; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15221; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IWO6XZZEYO96ZX0S@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:55:16 MST Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:49:36 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 28.8 MWAVE Drivers for Voice to Text Dictation ? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Tue, 05 May 1998 10:45:24 -0700" <3.0.32.19980505104514.00a14a2c@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IWO766JW1I96ZX0S@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As far as I can tell if the modem isn't actually running you have all the resources available for sound. Even at 28k8 it does slow the sound down - mine (in a 755CE) takes a couple seconds to emit the first sound, it looks like it has to load more software from the hard disk to get the sound going in the first place - after that it's reasonably ok. Older versions of the MWave software should be available at ftp.pc.ibm.com:/ > An IBM VTD document suggested switching back to 28.8 MWAVE > drivers to maximize resources available for audio processing. > Does anyone know whether this would make any difference vs > simply setting 28.8 BPS under the 33.6 MWAVE drivers? If so, > where could I download the 28.8 MWAVE drivers? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 14:01:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA213371282; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:01:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15976; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 13:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15719; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15703; Tue, 5 May 1998 13:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IWO6XZZEYO96ZX0S@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 5 May 1998 10:58:48 MST Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:56:35 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 28.8 MWAVE Drivers for Voice to Text Dictation ? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Tue, 05 May 1998 10:45:24 -0700" <3.0.32.19980505104514.00a14a2c@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IWO7AKHZE496ZX0S@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > where could I download the 28.8 MWAVE drivers? Older versions should be at ftp.pc.ibm.com:/pub/pccbbs/mobiles ... Sorry to have sent my last letter too soon (difference between suspend on Unix vs. VMS when I went to check the ftp site for the correct dir).... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 15:18:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252115927; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:18:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20689; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 15:15:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20500; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20488; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts11.loop.net (p25.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA03786; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:14:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805051914.MAA03786@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jane Loyless" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 05 May 98 07:40:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 05 May 1998 08:06:47 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 07:02 AM 5/5/98 -0400, Paul Chang wrote: > >>unsubscribe >>unsubscribe >>unsubscribe >> > >FYI (and for all the other people trying to unsubscribe), there's a comment >line in the header of every note from the TP list giving you the address to >{un}subscribe: > >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Just one question on this list - is there a note besides in the headers that tells one how to unsubscribe when they first join the list? This greatly annoys me recieving about 1-3 messages trying to unsubscribe every day nearly, and these people do it wrong every time. Thanks. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 15:43:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA264187430; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:43:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22321; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 15:41:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22213; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22172; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05689; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:41:24 -1000 Message-Id: <001e01bd785d$df300600$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" Subject: Re: Stormy Weather?? Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:39:17 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle wrote: > Then maybe you could focus your genuis on the fact that the "Comment" = line >in the header of EVERY ThinkPad List E-mail has instructions on how to >un-subscribe from the list. Some mailers default to not displaying headers. On others (e.g., = Outlook Express), you can't even change this - you have to go hunting to = find the headers (using the 'properties' tab), and of course in either = case you have to have some idea that looking for the headers will help. = Of course, the original poster seems to have used Pine - I don't recall = what the situation is there. I guess (on the other hand) that anyone who has ever spent time on an = email list should know how annoying it is to get 'unsubscribe' messages = in the list, and would do well instead to post a polite 'how do I = unsubscribe' message at the outset, *before* the actual 'unsubscribe' = message. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 15:45:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA265337506; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:45:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22577; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 15:42:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22352; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22334; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05109; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:42:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA05100; Tue, 5 May 1998 14:42:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505153558.00a1c730@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:35:58 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: How to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <199805051914.MAA03786@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:40 AM 5/5/98, Paul Khoury wrote: >>Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> >Just one question on this list - is there a note besides in the headers that tells one how to >unsubscribe when they first join the list? > I've been on the list since at least 1996 (I have notes saved from then), and I really don't remember what, if anything, was sent out when I first joined. I do remember that the reason the comment was added to the headers was to make sure everyone had the instructions handy after one of these discussion cycles. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 16:01:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273578491; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:01:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24601; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 15:59:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24473; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24447; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA05756; Tue, 5 May 1998 09:58:39 -1000 Message-Id: <004201bd7860$49a53800$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Christian Carey" , "Janice Ray" Cc: Subject: Re: thinkpad 500 finding modem Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:59:12 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Janice Ray asked a question about PCMCIA modems. Christian Carey wrote: >I use the TDK Systems DF2814 Global Class V.34 PCMCIA fax/modem with my >701C. It sold as 28.8 (V.34), but an upgrade to 33.6 is available on = the >TDK Systems web site. I have the IBM labeled version of this same modem, and I have to second = the recommendation - especially since I do a lot of overseas travel, and = it is nice to have a modem that understands every country's dial tone, = ringer, busy signal, etc. (There's also something to be said for having = an all-IBM system when it comes to service:-) However, this modem is relatively expensive and doesn't have digital = line protection. Janice should be assured that *any* PCMCIA modem = should be fine in her machine, especially if she's using DOS or Windows = as her OS. She should be able to find a perfectly serviceable 33.6 = PCMCIA modem for under $50. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 16:11:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277179118; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:11:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25390; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 16:05:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25167; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25141; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id QAA06311; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:07:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:07:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Randal Whittle , "James H. E. Maugham" Subject: Re: unsubscribing from the ThinkPad mailing list In-Reply-To: <001e01bd785d$df300600$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tuesday, 5th May 1998, David Ross wrote: > Of course, the original poster seems to have used Pine - I don't recall > what the situation is there [regarding headers]. By default, I believe that Pine only shows the "From:", "To:", "Cc:", and "Subject:" lines in a message without attachments, but saving the mail message into a file preserves all of the mail headers, not just the ones that are usually shown, so that would be a way to reveal the "desubscription" instructions. Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 17:11:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA008122707; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:11:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29209; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 17:02:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29030; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28988; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05682 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 15:01:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:01:36 -0600 (MDT) From: raybay Reply-To: raybay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: You Probably Heard... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You may have heard that Microsoft chairman William H. Gates has just obtained the Winslow Homer painting "Lost on the Grand Banks" for $30 million. Mr. Gates will rename it Winslow '98 using the painting as a logo. Upgrade price is yet to be determined... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 17:41:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA022654471; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:41:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01322; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 17:39:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01206; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.midsouth.rr.com (mail-atm.midsouth.rr.com [24.92.64.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01192; Tue, 5 May 1998 17:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tarbell1 (dt080n46.midsouth.rr.com [24.92.82.70]) by mail.midsouth.rr.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA00388 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Scott R. Tarbell" To: Subject: RE: 28.8 MWAVE Drivers for Voice to Text Dictation ? Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:38:15 -0500 Keywords: ThinkPad Message-Id: <000001bd786e$1c8d4d40$0100a8c0@tarbell1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980505104514.00a14a2c@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You should be able to change the speed of the modem in the MWave Modem application. A warning will appear if you set it to 33.6 telling you that sound will be disabled when your modem is connected at that speed. If you want to install an older version, anything before 2.25 will not support a 33.6 connect speed. > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexander J. Annala [mailto:annala@ucla.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 12:45 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 28.8 MWAVE Drivers for Voice to Text Dictation ? > > > An IBM VTD document suggested switching back to 28.8 MWAVE > drivers to maximize resources available for audio processing. > Does anyone know whether this would make any difference vs > simply setting 28.8 BPS under the 33.6 MWAVE drivers? If so, > where could I download the 28.8 MWAVE drivers? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 22:13:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155530798; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:13:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12464; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 22:07:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12039; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12027; Tue, 5 May 1998 22:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA08711; Tue, 5 May 98 22:07:14 EDT Message-Id: <354FC586.70A0CEB4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 22:05:58 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Linux APM problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have Red Hat 5.0 working on my TP600 (just delivered today). All is well except that I cannot suspend and resume. In the past, on my 770 I built kernel 2.0.33 and enabled a few APM features. Then, I would use Fn-F4 to suspend. (I wasn't using the apmd package.) However, on my TP600, suspending with either Fn-F4 (no apmd) or apm --suspend (with apmd), the suspend works, but I cannot resume. This is with no PC cards, in fact with cardmgr not even running. Basically, every time I try to resume I am left with a hung machine. Bummer. The same thing happened to me with kernel 2.1.99. Has anyone else out there had APM problems with Linux on a ThinkPad (not necessarily a 600) that they got past? How? Thanks in advance. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 5 23:17:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA191424622; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:17:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15028; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 5 May 1998 23:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14918; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from znet.com (sdts11-101.znet.net [207.167.66.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14898; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jmarnold@localhost) by znet.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA32078; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:07:54 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 20:07:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199805060307.UAA32078@znet.com> From: "Jeffrey M. Arnold" To: Lee Hetherington Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Linux APM problems In-Reply-To: <354FC586.70A0CEB4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <354FC586.70A0CEB4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lee, I'm afraid I can't offer any help; I have a 701 that suspends and resumes just fine with Fn-F4, with and without apmd. However, I am very interested in your progress with Linux (APM and other issues), since I'm planning to buy a TP600 shortly. By the way, are you dual booting, or running Linux solo? On my 701 I have separate disks for Linux and NT, but am hoping to be able to dual boot the TP600 to share a file system. Please keep us posted, -jeff Lee Hetherington writes: > I have Red Hat 5.0 working on my TP600 (just delivered today). All is > well except that I cannot suspend and resume. In the past, on my 770 I > built kernel 2.0.33 and enabled a few APM features. Then, I would use > Fn-F4 to suspend. (I wasn't using the apmd package.) > > However, on my TP600, suspending with either Fn-F4 (no apmd) or apm > --suspend (with apmd), the suspend works, but I cannot resume. This is > with no PC cards, in fact with cardmgr not even running. Basically, > every time I try to resume I am left with a hung machine. Bummer. > > The same thing happened to me with kernel 2.1.99. > > Has anyone else out there had APM problems with Linux on a ThinkPad (not > necessarily a 600) that they got past? How? > > Thanks in advance. > > --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 00:08:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219987689; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:08:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17546; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 00:05:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17437; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@[206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17425; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA09055; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:05:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Stormy Weather?? In-Reply-To: <001e01bd785d$df300600$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 5 May 1998, David Ross wrote: > > Some mailers default to not displaying headers. On others (e.g., Outlook > Express), you can't even change this - you have to go hunting to find > the headers (using the 'properties' tab), and of course in either case > you have to have some idea that looking for the headers will help. Of > course, the original poster seems to have used Pine - I don't recall > what the situation is there. In PINE, you need to go into the settings, go into the config and check enable-full-header-cmd. Then when you are viewing the message press 'H' to toggle full or partial headers. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 00:40:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA235249655; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:40:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19286; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 00:38:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19128; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19116; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash1-32.flash.net [209.30.74.32]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26645 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:38:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <354FE978.58BAE48D@flash.net> Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:39:20 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: How to: unsubscribing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > By default, I believe that Pine only shows the "From:", "To:", "Cc:", and > "Subject:" lines in a message without attachments, but saving the mail > message into a file preserves all of the mail headers, not just the ones > that are usually shown, so that would be a way to reveal the > "desubscription" instructions. I'll admit to scratching my head for a minute about the comment line until I checked the menus in Netscape Communicator and finding out VIEW, HEADERS, ALL would reveal that and more! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 00:45:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA237269923; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:45:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19959; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19858; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19825; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts14.loop.net (p09.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.204]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA28996; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060442.VAA28996@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "paphbob@flash.net" , "Thinkpad" Date: Tue, 05 May 98 21:43:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to: unsubscribing Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 05 May 1998 21:39:20 -0700, Bob Garagliano wrote: >> By default, I believe that Pine only shows the "From:", "To:", "Cc:", and >> "Subject:" lines in a message without attachments, but saving the mail >> message into a file preserves all of the mail headers, not just the ones >> that are usually shown, so that would be a way to reveal the >> "desubscription" instructions. > >I'll admit to scratching my head for a minute about the comment line until I >checked the menus in Netscape Communicator and finding out VIEW, HEADERS, ALL >would reveal that and more! > > The headers are a good reference to where the message came from, the OS/mailer used, and messages like unsubscribing. I don't know how I could have email if I didn't have the headers. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux 2.0.29, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 02:19:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281695544; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:19:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23433; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 02:16:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23193; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23155; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts14.loop.net (p09.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.204]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09332 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060615.XAA09332@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 05 May 98 23:16:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry I posted this so late, but I have all except the 755 and 760 Pentium machines. Now you can go to the page from the main site by clicking on the Subjects folder, then on the ThinkPad Assistant document. http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux 2.0.29, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 02:23:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283275785; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:23:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23913; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 02:21:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23833; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23807; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts14.loop.net (p09.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.204]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09889 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060621.XAA09889@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 05 May 98 23:21:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I incorrectly said the Subjects folder. I meant to say root folder. Sorry for this wasted bandwidth. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux 2.0.29, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 03:00:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA001178042; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:00:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25458; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 02:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25368; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.184]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25353; Wed, 6 May 1998 02:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sterni@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA18861; Tue, 5 May 1998 23:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: aludra.usc.edu: sterni owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: "John W. Sterni" To: Stephen Amadei Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Stormy Weather?? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks Stephan for the info on full headers.. Not that I am unsubscribing, but the PINE information is quite usefull. -john ----------------------------------------------- John W. Sterni -- Mariah Carey fan Always and Forever -- plus I like Ally McBeal alot too! NASA Far West RTTC -- University of Southern California Mechanical Engineer and Computer Guru sterni@usc.edu -- http://www-scf.usc.edu/~sterni ----------------------------------------------- On Wed, 6 May 1998, Stephen Amadei wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, David Ross wrote: > > > > > Some mailers default to not displaying headers. On others (e.g., Outlook > > Express), you can't even change this - you have to go hunting to find > > the headers (using the 'properties' tab), and of course in either case > > you have to have some idea that looking for the headers will help. Of > > course, the original poster seems to have used Pine - I don't recall > > what the situation is there. > > In PINE, you need to go into the settings, go into the config and check > enable-full-header-cmd. Then when you are viewing the message press 'H' > to toggle full or partial headers. > > ----Steve > Stephen Amadei > Director of MIS > Dandy Connections, Inc. > Atlantic City, NJ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 03:25:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA013779526; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:25:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27812; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 03:21:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27405; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27393; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-101.usc.edu [128.125.230.101]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id AAA19826 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805060721.AAA19826@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:21:24 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This was in the comp.sys.laptops newsgroup and I thought it would be more than a worthwhile posting here: Subject: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770 Date: 5 May 1998 11:48:15 GMT From: alee@news.comcat.com (Albert C. Lee) Organization: COMCAT Inc. Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops References: 1 Marc Simon (nospam@wanadoo.fr) wrote: : I was just about set on a Thinkpad 770, when, pow, out they came with : the 600 line! : Anyone for a comparison? Mark, Just a short few months ago, I was in the market for the 770. My situation changed, but I am again shopping for laptops. Both the 770 and the 600 are a lot alike, with a few differences... in my opinion, you have to really _REALLY_ want these differences to go with the 770 over the 600. Advantages of owning the 770: Screen size: the 770 can go to 14.1", vs. 600's maximum 13.3" DVD support: The 1AU has native MPEG2 support vs. 600 which requires an adapter (probably PC Card). Speed : The 770 is the fastest out there. It will probably perform better than the 600 (although whether or not it is noticeable is a different question) Ports : The 770 has a lot of native ports, including digital in digital out, video in/out, while the 600 does not UltraBay : The 770 has a full UltraBay, which will support extra batteries, ZIP, DVD, etc. The 600 will eventually support DVD, ZIP is allegedly under development, etc. but there is very little support right now Battery : The 770 has a very long battery life given the PII processor. Mobile Computing rated it at 3:46, vs. 3:12 for the 600. NT4 : NT4 can be had preinstalled on the 770. Right now, although driver support is available, NT4 on a 600 is a do it yourself job. Video : 770 uses a Trident vs. NeoMagic video chipset. With it you get 4 mb of RAM for 32 bit color at 1024x768, and support with Linux. NeoMagic chipsets with Linux usually necessitate buying appropriate support for an otherwise free Linux installation. Hard drive : Up to 8 gb. 600 supports up to 6.4 gig. Advantages of owning the 600: Weight : 5.6 lbs (about 6.5 lbs travel weight) vs. close to a 9.5 lbs travel weight of the 770. This alone is enough of a reason to go with the 600, IMHO. Size : At 1.4" thick, it is also easy to carry around. With the 770's case designed to support up to a 14.1" screen, the overall dimensions are pretty huge next to a 600 Price : You can 95% of the 770 for average retail of $4500 (PII, top of the line 600). I believe the 770ED goes for just short of $6000 for the top of the line. Ask yourself... do you need all these extra features of the 770? If so, then you should get it. It is a fantastic machine. However, to me, after lugging an 8.5 lb travel weight Toshiba 410CDT, I don't think I could really go for a heavier laptop. Additionally, although all those nice features (ie. video in/out) would be nice to have, I wouldn't really use them often (if at all)... they have definite gadget appeal, but if they're just sitting there idle, you're giving up all the benefits of the 600 just to have it. The 600 is almost as fast, weighs 2/3 of the 770, has a very sexy look, and will eventually support most of the options of the 770 (ie. DVD). You mentioned you were looking at the 13.3" 770... if so, the advantages of the 770 are even less (ie. you need the DVD adapter, I believe no built-in modem, same large size). In short, you get an awful lot of computer with the 600. And you can afford the top of the line 600 for the price of a mid-range 770. Albert C. Lee URL: http://www.leesoft.com/alee 209 Valley Forge Lookout Place, Radnor, PA 19087 Home phone: (610)260-1093 Cellular: (610)324-9569 Home fax : (610)260-1096 Company : http://www.leesoft.com ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 03:31:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA016669878; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:31:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28423; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 03:28:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28099; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zip.com.au (root@mail.zip.com.au [203.12.97.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28087; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haggis.sentor.com.au (kenny41.zip.com.au [61.8.17.233]) by mail.zip.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00187 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:28:21 +1000 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980506072859.007163bc@zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@zip.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:28:59 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Scott Subject: suspend problems on 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Im starting to get annoyed now! The 770 will not suspend when i shut the lid or select Start->Suspend. It hangs the machine. Any ideas? c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 03:46:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA023950775; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:46:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29476; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 03:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29055; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mozart.inet.co.th (root@mozart.inet.co.th [202.44.200.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29043; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:43:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TruPPP121.inet.co.th (TruPPP121.inet.co.th [203.151.0.36]) by mozart.inet.co.th (8.8.7/1.1.8.2/07Nov95-0628PM) with SMTP id OAA22360 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:43:38 +0700 (GMT+0700) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: How to get more than 40MB RAM on TP760CD Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 07:41:47 GMT Message-Id: <355003ea.100839863@mozart.inet.co.th> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a ThinkPad 760CD with 8MB RAM built-in. I have added the additional 32MB RAM (two 16MBone in each of the two slots). Am I correct in thinking that is the maximum RAM I can get on this machine? Is there any other way of adding more RAM? Any help would be most gratefully received. Nick From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 03:47:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA024730853; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:47:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29721; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 03:44:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29188; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29130; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (198.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.198]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA14687; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35501634.24F85554@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 03:50:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Scott Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: suspend problems on 770 References: <1.5.4.32.19980506072859.007163bc@zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu which OS..?? Chris Scott wrote: > Hello, > > Im starting to get annoyed now! > > The 770 will not suspend when i shut the lid or select Start->Suspend. It > hangs the machine. > > Any ideas? > > c. -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 03:56:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029471375; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:56:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00714; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 03:53:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00446; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00433; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (198.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.198]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA15724; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3550186F.EA71EEA3@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 03:59:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to get more than 40MB RAM on TP760CD References: <355003ea.100839863@mozart.inet.co.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu two 32meg DIMM's give you 64megs.. the 8megs on the system board are mapped out of the system when two 32meg DIMM's are used.. nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk wrote: > I have a ThinkPad 760CD with 8MB RAM built-in. I have added the > additional 32MB RAM (two 16MBone in each of the two slots). Am I > correct in thinking that is the maximum RAM I can get on this machine? > Is there any other way of adding more RAM? > > Any help would be most gratefully received. > > Nick -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 06:24:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA087870249; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:24:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10979; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 06:22:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10837; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10825; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-073.usc.edu [128.125.227.73]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA14620 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 03:22:05 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980506032348.00683c40@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 03:23:53 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: MWAVE AGC Disabling for Speech Recognition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know how to turn off AGC (automatic gain control) for MWAVE AUDIO MICROPHONE INPUT? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 06:41:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096851270; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:41:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11783; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 06:40:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11705; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mbox.wins.uva.nl (root@mbox.wins.uva.nl [146.50.16.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11676; Wed, 6 May 1998 06:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from carol.wins.uva.nl by mbox.wins.uva.nl with ESMTP (sendmail 8.8.7/config 8.5). id MAA28126; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:39:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from carol.wins.uva.nl by carol.wins.uva.nl with ESMTP (sendmail 8.8.7/config 8.5). id MAA24057; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:39:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805061039.MAA24057@carol.wins.uva.nl> X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics, Computer Science, Physics & Astronomy University of Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098 SJ Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 7463 X-Fax: +31 20 525 7490 To: Lee Hetherington Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux APM problems In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 May 1998 22:05:58 EDT." <354FC586.70A0CEB4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:39:42 +0200 From: Benno Overeinder Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>>>> "LH" == Lee Hetherington writes: LH> I have Red Hat 5.0 working on my TP600 (just delivered today). LH> All is well except that I cannot suspend and resume. In the LH> past, on my 770 I built kernel 2.0.33 and enabled a few APM LH> features. Then, I would use Fn-F4 to suspend. (I wasn't using LH> the apmd package.) LH> However, on my TP600, suspending with either Fn-F4 (no apmd) or LH> apm --suspend (with apmd), the suspend works, but I cannot LH> resume. This is with no PC cards, in fact with cardmgr not even LH> running. Basically, every time I try to resume I am left with a LH> hung machine. Bummer. I have similar experiences with my ThinkPad 380ED and the Debian Linux distribution. Before, I had no problems with the Slackware distribution, but as I use Debian on my other system also I installed it on my ThinkPad. My experience says that it does not depend on the kernel (I used the Slackware kernel, which worked well with the Slackware distribution, with the Debian distribution and had still problems with suspend/resume). More specifically, the ThinkPad does not really "hang", but the display stays blank after typing. When I type the passwd of the laptop, the lock symbol appears (only _after_ typing) and disappears again. The display stays blank, but I can give Unix commands and even shutdown the machine properly. After a month of gathering information, I still have not a clue. Bye, -- Benno From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 09:38:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA171901910; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:38:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17525; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 09:34:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17300; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17288; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA11747; Wed, 6 May 98 09:34:34 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <355066EA.37A29092@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:34:34 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Benno Overeinder Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux APM problems References: <199805061039.MAA24057@carol.wins.uva.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When attempting to resume, my screen unblanks, the disk whirs a bit, but the Linux console is hopelessly locked up. Further, I can no longer suspend with Fn-F4; it blinks the suspend light for several seconds, beeps, and stays in the hung state. This always worked fine for me on a 760C, a 760E, and a 770. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 10:32:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198775136; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:32:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22160; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 10:29:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22026; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22007; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 06 May 1998 10:35:48 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD78D9.F1919C10@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:30:09 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD78D9.F1919C10@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: Thinkpad , "'Paul Khoury'" Subject: Noise, Bandwidth, Headers Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:30:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi List, Paul Khoury wrote: >The headers are a good reference to where the message came from, the OS/mailer used, >and messages like unsubscribing. I don't know how I could have email if I didn't have the headers. Some poeple actually put information content into the body of their emails. . ps.: how about just putting a line about your tp-assistant into your .sig-file. then everyone gets the message on average eight times a day and you save the list a couple mails. quite sincerely, axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 11:04:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212847055; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:04:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24282; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 11:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24109; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24084; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06448 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:01:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11401 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD78DE.AF178930@ntmail.tiac.net>; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:04:05 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: ADMIN: Unsubscribe Msgs in Header Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:04:03 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>In PINE, you need to go into the settings, go into the config and check >>enable-full-header-cmd. Then when you are viewing the message press 'H' >>to toggle full or partial headers. I subscribe to a few mailing lists and prefer having a little footer at the bottom of the message with important list information. If people cannot save the information or bother to send a message to the list request, do you really expect them to know or to bother to look at the full headers? On this list I am forced to use Microsoft exchange which does not seem to support display of full headers (may have to use properties). So I never see the message but know enough how to find out list information. On other lists I use Netscape V 2.02 for OS/2. I use brief headers because I like to scan messages quickly due to the amount of email and if I use full headers I would have to page down on every message to read it. At least if the information is at the message bottom it is out of the way for message scanning but is not hidden to people who need the info. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 11:11:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA216307487; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:11:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24460; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 11:03:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24317; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com (kenyee.xensei.com [204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24273; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565FC.005285C7 ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:01:22 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Message-Id: <852565FC.0052755A.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:01:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Another thing not mentioned is that the 600 appears to not support the docking stations w/ PCI slots. It's important if you want the TP to be a full desktop replacement... ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 13:31:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA286025911; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:31:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02173; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 13:23:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01978; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01964; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA14775 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:23:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14766 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:23:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506131639.0097d730@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:16:39 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770] In-Reply-To: <852565FC.0052755A.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:01 AM 5/6/98 -0400, Ken K. Yee wrote: >Another thing not mentioned is that the 600 appears to >not support the docking stations w/ PCI slots. It's >important if you want the TP to be a full desktop replacement... > Huh? It supports the SelectaDock III which has PCI slots, or did I misread the specs? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 14:54:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028440864; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:54:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07880; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 14:49:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07596; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (root@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07571; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA22763 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199805061731.KAA22763@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on 600??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Those of you running or intending to run Linux on a TP600, what are you going to do about the X server?? The 600 apparently uses the Neomagic video chip with its secret programming interface so XFree86 doesn't support it; and the 600 is new enough that the commercial server (if you're willing to use it--I'm not) may not support it either. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 15:43:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050683837; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:43:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11835; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 15:36:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11526; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11290; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA05093; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:34:44 -0600 (MDT) From: raybay To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770] In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980506131639.0097d730@mindspring.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It has its own connector which then plugs into the SelectaDock III Ray Bay On Wed, 6 May 1998, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 11:01 AM 5/6/98 -0400, Ken K. Yee wrote: > > >Another thing not mentioned is that the 600 appears to > >not support the docking stations w/ PCI slots. It's > >important if you want the TP to be a full desktop replacement... > > > > > Huh? It supports the SelectaDock III which has PCI slots, or did I misread > the specs? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 15:44:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050803844; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:44:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10618; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 15:30:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10434; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10417; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-044.usc.edu [128.125.230.44]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA26428; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:29:35 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <003101bd7921$ddbbdc80$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:04 PM 5/6/98 , David Ross wrote: >>From Randal's forwarded message re the TP600: > >>Weight : 5.6 lbs (about 6.5 lbs travel weight) > >Yikes! Is this true? This is *way* too heavy; I think that's with the CD Drive in. Stripped to its skivvies, the way a 560 *always* is, it's 4.9 lbs. .8 lbs. more than a 560. And an inch deeper as well as .2" thicker. >I think we can dismiss any idea that the 600 is a real replacement for the 560. I don't think it ever was. Really, I see it as a replacement for the 770's--and nearly everything below it. The only reason now to buy a bigger, thicker, heavier 770 is if you need the hardware MPEG built-in, the funny video ports, or absolutely need the higher capacity of the thicker hard drives. That's not to say the super-high-end machines won't continue to exist (there are people that want one), but this will eat a significant bite from that market. >BTW, I just ran across complete specs and a suite of photos for the Sony Vaio 505 (cf http://www.jpd.com/vaio505.htm ). While I'm leery of Sony computer products, and don't like touchpads, I could be seriously persuaded to buy one of these when they're finally 'officially' for sale here! After my recent NEC Versa experience, I've learned my lesson. The Versa 5000 series is a great machine...but I've learned that I hate touchpads--period. I'll never buy another machine with a touchpad. I don't care how neato it is. But if its *really* thin & light you want, take a look at the HP Sojourn. .7" thick, something like 3 lbs. and a hefty price tag. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 16:05:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA061975129; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:05:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13598; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 16:01:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13418; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slipgate.keysolutions.com (kenyee.xensei.com [204.96.52.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13402; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by slipgate.keysolutions.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 852565FC.006DE378 ; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:00:16 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: KEY ENTERPRISE SOLUTIONS From: "Ken K. Yee" To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-Id: <852565FC.006DC2FA.00@slipgate.keysolutions.com> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 16:00:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 05/06/98 01:16:39 PM, Jane Loyless wrote: > Huh? It supports the SelectaDock III which has PCI slots, or did I > misread the specs? I misread the specs. I thought the 600 was just a 560 w/ PII. It apparently has the docking slot at the back as well. Makes the decision easier now that single drives are massive :-) ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 16:20:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA068166038; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:20:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14510; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 16:11:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14350; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14330; Wed, 6 May 1998 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA15028; Wed, 6 May 98 16:11:14 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3550C3E2.129556A8@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:11:14 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on 600??? References: <199805061731.KAA22763@netcom8.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Accelerated X LX 4.1 plus update 4100-015 runs quite well on the TP600. What I don't think is working quite right is changing between LCD and external monitors. That will probably be resolved within a month. But running X on the LCD at 1024x768x16bpp is running great. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 17:26:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA104229998; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:26:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11606; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 15:33:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10984; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10910; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-044.usc.edu [128.125.230.44]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA27320; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805061933.MAA27320@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:32:56 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <003101bd7921$ddbbdc80$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Forgot to mention... The HP Sojourn? 14.1" screen too. That Sony you're talking about seems neato & cool, but its dimensions are not only bigger, but its screen, at 10.4", is *not*. The HP clearly eclipsed the Sony even before the Sony got into this country. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 18:06:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA125492407; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:06:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20326; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 17:54:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20200; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20183; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13614; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:53:32 -1000 Message-Id: <005d01bd7939$7d0f66a0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:54:04 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I think that's with the CD Drive in. > > Stripped to its skivvies, the way a 560 *always* is, it's 4.9 lbs. .8 >lbs. more than a 560. And an inch deeper as well as .2" thicker. That CD sounds heavy! I often carry both the external FDD and an = external CD (the IBM 'flying saucer', sans speakers) with me, and I = still don't think the 560 is much more than 5 pounds all in. >770's--and nearly everything below it. The only reason now to buy a >bigger, thicker, heavier 770 is [snip] You didn't mention sturdiness - the 560 *is* a bit flimsy (I'm pretty = sure that case flex is what caused my system board failure). I subject = my Micron Transport - which is a tank - to indignities that I wouldn't = think of inflicting on the 560. I expect the 770 is similar. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 19:06:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155675987; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:06:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22824; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 18:53:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22703; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22691; Wed, 6 May 1998 18:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (comserv-g-50.usc.edu [128.125.223.194]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA29764; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805062252.PAA29764@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:53:00 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Cc: "TP List" In-Reply-To: <005d01bd7939$7d0f66a0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:54 PM 5/6/98 , David Ross wrote: >> I think that's with the CD Drive in. >> >> Stripped to its skivvies, the way a 560 *always* is, it's 4.9 lbs. .8 >>lbs. more than a 560. And an inch deeper as well as .2" thicker. >> >That CD sounds heavy! About 1/2 lb. Par for the course. Same on the Versa 5000. >You didn't mention sturdiness - the 560 *is* a bit flimsy (I'm pretty sure that case flex is >what caused my system board failure). I subject my Micron Transport - which is a tank - >to indignities that I wouldn't think of inflicting on the 560. I expect the 770 is similar. I'm not accustomed to beating up on my equipment. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 19:40:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172238025; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:40:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24812; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 19:38:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24700; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix.asb.com (unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24687; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls36.asb.com (sls36.asb.com [165.254.128.116]) by unix.asb.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA27867 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:38:27 -0400 (EDT) From: (Joseph Christie) To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: How to: unsubscribing Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 23:35:22 GMT Message-Id: <3557dd62.1527571@unix.asb.com> References: <354FE978.58BAE48D@flash.net> In-Reply-To: <354FE978.58BAE48D@flash.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Didn't there used to be a "clueless" email list that you could subscribe these people to that would require them to find the correct way to unsubscribe from a mail list to stop getting messages from each other complaining about all the email they were getting from the other clueless clowns that had been "subscribed" to the list? On Tue, 05 May 1998 21:39:20 -0700, Bob Garagliano wrote about "How to: unsubscribing": >> By default, I believe that Pine only shows the "From:", "To:", "Cc:", and >> "Subject:" lines in a message without attachments, but saving the mail >> message into a file preserves all of the mail headers, not just the ones >> that are usually shown, so that would be a way to reveal the >> "desubscription" instructions. > >I'll admit to scratching my head for a minute about the comment line until I >checked the menus in Netscape Communicator and finding out VIEW, HEADERS, ALL >would reveal that and more! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 20:03:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA183499393; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25777; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 19:54:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25638; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25626; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14276; Wed, 6 May 1998 13:54:02 -1000 Message-Id: <008401bd794a$540caea0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Joseph Christie" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: How to: unsubscribing Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:54:34 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: Joseph Christie >Didn't there used to be a "clueless" email list that you could = subscribe these >people to [...snip...] The reason I brought up the thread about headers in OE/Pine/etc was to = point out that we shouldn't be *too* hard on listers just because = unsubscribe info is posted in the headers - while easy enough to find = even in these mail programs, you have to know to look there in the first = place! To expand on an idea Axel had, why not put a 'how to unsubscribe' line = in Paul K's .sig:-) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 20:10:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA188149829; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:10:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26513; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26398; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26380; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA14357; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:02:15 -1000 Message-Id: <009701bd794b$79bed6e0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Randal Whittle" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:02:46 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm not accustomed to beating up on my equipment. :-) Practice makes perfect! PS - For W95 users, there's a wonderful freebie = equipment-smashing game called 'Kung-Fu Coffee' at www.desktoptoys.com David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 20:36:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA199581380; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:36:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28145; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 20:31:58 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28016; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id UAA23850; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08743; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12092; Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:26 -1000 Message-Id: <003101bd7921$ddbbdc80$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:58 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >From Randal's forwarded message re the TP600: >Weight : 5.6 lbs (about 6.5 lbs travel weight) Yikes! Is this true? This is *way* too heavy; I think we can dismiss = any idea that the 600 is a real replacement for the 560. BTW, I just ran across complete specs and a suite of photos for the Sony = Vaio 505 (cf http://www.jpd.com/vaio505.htm ). While I'm leery of Sony = computer products, and don't like touchpads, I could be seriously = persuaded to buy one of these when they're finally 'officially' for sale = here! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 20:38:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA201091532; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:38:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28673; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 20:37:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28559; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28503; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA19102; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id RAA06048; Wed, 6 May 1998 17:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Team OS/2 Help Desk Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Genovation Parallel Keypad II model 650 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Is anyone aware of drivers that will allow a Genovation Parallel Keypad II model 650 to work with a thinkpad running OS/2 Warp 3.0? I tried the Genovation site but found only drivers (for sale at $25.00 each!) for newer models. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 21:39:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231035149; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:39:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00834; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 21:30:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00693; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.239.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00680; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x.drift.com ([199.179.164.251]) by mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.01 118 111) with SMTP id <19980507012211.LXDM5202@x.drift.com>; Wed, 6 May 1998 20:22:11 -0500 Message-Id: <002a01bd7956$693a03c0$0c336120@x.drift.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "David Ross" Cc: "TP List" Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:21:05 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David said: >You didn't mention sturdiness - the 560 *is* a bit flimsy (snip) Maybe another difference between the TP600 and TP770? On the ibm website the TP600 memory description says: SDRAM/3.3v/66MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin SDRAM SO-DIMMs TP770 says: SDRAM/3.3v/83 or 100MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin EDO or SDRAM SO-DIMMs (EDO is not supported on models 5AU/51U/52U/53U). Why is faster memory required on the 770? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 6 22:15:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248557330; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:15:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02459; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 6 May 1998 22:08:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02245; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02231; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from newmicronpc (evt-lx100-ip8.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.8]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA11363 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980506190901.006b9144@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:09:01 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: repairing or disposing of batteries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I have a TP560 battery that is more than a year old, i.e. out of warranty. I've only used it a few times and now it's completely dead, won't take a charge. I called IBM on the half hope they'd offer me a parital refund, but all I got was an "I'm sorry to hear that". Can a battery be repaired? If not, what is the best method of disposal? TIA, Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 00:47:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA019246425; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:47:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07512; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 00:42:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07359; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07343; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.212]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA28643 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:41:55 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506212127.00a79300@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:21:27 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Weight and TPs and replacements and such Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:04 AM 5/6/98 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>From Randal's forwarded message re the TP600: > >>Weight : 5.6 lbs (about 6.5 lbs travel weight) > >Yikes! Is this true? This is *way* too heavy; I think we can dismiss any idea that the 600 is a >real replacement for the 560. > The docs I have say that the 13.3" TFT 600 with the CD-ROM installed is 5.5lbs (4.9 + .63 respectively). The external CD-ROM for the 560X is larger and heavier than the internal 600 one, and the two systems use the same AC Adapter. So, in the end, when you add it all up there's only a little over a half pound difference in travel weight between the two if you travel with the CD-ROM even though the 600's screen is larger. The footprint is a little bigger, but it didn't *feel* big and unwieldy to me like the 765 and 770 do. But it was never my understanding that the 600 was to replace the 560 - I always thought it was to replace the discontinued 76x line? The 560's are still in production. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 00:52:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA022076722; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:52:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08062; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 00:48:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07921; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07901; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-165.usc.edu [128.125.223.165]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA05388; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070447.VAA05388@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:46:11 -0700 To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Cc: "David Ross" , "TP List" In-Reply-To: <002a01bd7956$693a03c0$0c336120@x.drift.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:21 PM 5/6/98 , Aaron W. Brown wrote: >On the ibm website the TP600 memory description says: >SDRAM/3.3v/66MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin SDRAM >SO-DIMMs > >TP770 says: >SDRAM/3.3v/83 or 100MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin EDO or >SDRAM SO-DIMMs (EDO is not supported on models 5AU/51U/52U/53U). > >Why is faster memory required on the 770? This is curious to me, given that as I've been looking for TP 600 memory on various web sites, I've come to find that most have classified memory for both the 600 and the 770 in the same category (i.e., they sell the same module for both models). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 00:57:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA024257068; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:57:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08550; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 00:54:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08426; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08414; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-165.usc.edu [128.125.223.165]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA06037; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:54:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070454.VAA06037@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 21:53:53 -0700 To: From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: repairing or disposing of batteries Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980506190901.006b9144@mail.halcyon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:09 PM 5/6/98 , karensw@halcyon.com wrote: >I have a TP560 battery that is more than a year old, i.e. out of warranty. >I've only used it a few times and now it's completely dead, won't take a >charge. I called IBM on the half hope they'd offer me a parital refund, but >all I got was an "I'm sorry to hear that". For what its worth, I had the exact same problem with one 560 battery. As near as I can tell, we're both SOL. I'll be happy to join your pity party though. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 01:28:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038298911; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:28:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09619; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 01:15:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09529; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09517; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA15904; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:15:15 -1000 Message-Id: <003901bd7977$331dc4e0$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" Subject: Re: Weight and TPs and replacements and such Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:15:47 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >The docs I have say that the 13.3" TFT 600 with the CD-ROM installed is >5.5lbs (4.9 + .63 respectively). So what is the 6.5 pounds Randal reported? >But it was never my understanding that the 600 was to replace the 560 - = I >always thought it was to replace the discontinued 76x line? The 560's = are >still in production. I read an interview about this with someone at IBM, who first affirmed = IBM's commitment to the 560, then (as if to reinforce this) said they'd = be continuing the 560 line "at least through the end of 1998". Hmm. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 01:57:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049830636; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:57:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10935; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10721; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10702; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (210.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.210]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA02214; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35514D6D.BD9375D1@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 01:58:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MWAVE AGC Disabling for Speech Recognition References: <3.0.32.19980506032348.00683c40@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ask this question of Birger Petterson in either my thinkpads.com forum or the compuserve thinkpad forum.. Alexander J. Annala wrote: > Does anyone know how to turn off AGC (automatic gain > control) for MWAVE AUDIO MICROPHONE INPUT? -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 02:02:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA053960919; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10932; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10771; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10751; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-225-097.usc.edu [128.125.225.97]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA14005; Wed, 6 May 1998 22:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805070552.WAA14005@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:50:42 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Weight and TPs and replacements and such Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" In-Reply-To: <003901bd7977$331dc4e0$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:15 PM 5/6/98 , David Ross wrote: >>The docs I have say that the 13.3" TFT 600 with the CD-ROM installed is >>5.5lbs (4.9 + .63 respectively). > >So what is the 6.5 pounds Randal reported? I think you're taking that from a really old posting where I responded to an (erroneous) article/review that someone else posted. For that matter, I may have mis-read that one. They may have been talking about "Travel weight" which is a bit dubious since its hard to say what you *must* travel with beyond the machine and A/C adapter. The orginal article *did* state a weight of 6 lbs or more, but everything I've read about it since then makes it clear that its 5 to 5 1/2 lbs depending on what you put on-board. >>But it was never my understanding that the 600 was to replace the 560 - I >>always thought it was to replace the discontinued 76x line? The 560's are >>still in production. > > >I read an interview about this with someone at IBM, who first affirmed IBM's commitment to the 560, then (as if to reinforce this) said they'd be continuing the 560 line "at least through the end of 1998". Hmm. Seeing the Sony, the HP Sojourn, the Micron Go Book, etc...I'm guessing IBM will replace the 560 around then with an even lighter/thinner model. The "category" of Thin & Light will be preserved, IBM will just improve on it. The 600 is the "almost as thin & light but also full-featured modular" category. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Associate Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 02:44:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA072273440; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:44:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12656; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 02:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12544; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12531; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (gup-073-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.153]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA21776; Thu, 7 May 1998 00:40:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <355165F0.45E6@cia-g.com> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 00:42:40 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@broadcast.net Organization: TuWeap X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Axel Hartmann Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Noise, Bandwidth, Headers References: <01BD78D9.F1919C10@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It seems like few people on the list like the extra use of bandwidth, repetitions, signatures, etc... but he doesn't seem to care... there have been many requests that he give some consideration to readers/users... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 02:46:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA073343565; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:46:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12950; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 02:43:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12837; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12825; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (210.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.210]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA19603; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35515954.23E67CD9@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 02:48:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: "Aaron W. Brown" , David Ross , TP List Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) References: <199805070447.VAA05388@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randall.. it IS the same RAM for the 600 and 770 series... also, Apricorn is about to release the 128meg part for the 770/600 series.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 06:21 PM 5/6/98 , Aaron W. Brown wrote: > > >On the ibm website the TP600 memory description says: > >SDRAM/3.3v/66MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin SDRAM > >SO-DIMMs > > > >TP770 says: > >SDRAM/3.3v/83 or 100MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin EDO or > >SDRAM SO-DIMMs (EDO is not supported on models 5AU/51U/52U/53U). > > > >Why is faster memory required on the 770? > > This is curious to me, given that as I've been looking for TP 600 memory > on various web sites, I've come to find that most have classified memory > for both the 600 and the 770 in the same category (i.e., they sell the same > module for both models). > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 03:00:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079754412; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:00:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13587; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 02:52:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13492; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13480; Thu, 7 May 1998 02:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts03.loop.net (p07.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.112]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA03408 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 23:51:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805070651.XAA03408@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 06 May 98 23:52:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: David and Axel's suggestion on unsubscribing notes in my sig Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You mean like this? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 To unsubscribe the ThinkPad List, send email to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu with unsubscribe youremailaddress in body From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 04:09:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109308592; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:09:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16808; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 04:06:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16699; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16686; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012759; 7 May 98 8:02 GMT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:01:51 +0100 To: ThinkPad From: Greg Terrell Subject: 760CD - PC Cards Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all Can anyone suggest what's going wrong here and what the cure is? Machine is 760CD 90Mhz 40MB, latest bios and other software from IBM web site, Win95 upgraded to OSR1. Mwave internal modem is disabled so I can use a PC Card GSM modem (COM1) and the rear serial port (COM2) without resource conflicts. The PC Card modem is an Option International GSM-only Data/Fax/SMS PC Card modem. The modem works fine but the machine usually sees it as new hardware although the drivers are already installed. When the card is in card slot 1 (the top one) the machine almost always recognises it as new hardware when the machine is booted. The same happens if the card is inserted into slot 1 with Windows running. The same happens with the card in slot 2 on booting or inserted with Windows running but much less frequently. If I let it go through the new hardware instal routine it adds another modem to the list in Settings/Control Panel/Modems. It makes no difference whether or not the mobile phone is attached to the modem and switch on. TIA -- Greg Terrell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 04:52:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126461172; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:52:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18479; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 04:50:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18386; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.239.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18374; Thu, 7 May 1998 04:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x.drift.com ([199.179.164.239]) by mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.01 118 111) with SMTP id <19980507084153.MNPF5202@x.drift.com> for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:41:53 -0500 Message-Id: <002a01bd7993$d35d4360$0c336120@x.drift.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Weight and TPs and replacements and such Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:40:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle said: > Seeing the Sony, the HP Sojourn, the Micron Go Book, etc...I'm guessing >IBM will replace the 560 around then with an even lighter/thinner model. >The "category" of Thin & Light will be preserved, IBM will just improve on >it. The 600 is the "almost as thin & light but also full-featured modular" >category. Ah yes, so in 6 months we can look forward to the Really UltraThinBayTM. Modular? I guess. Swapable parts are great but it doesn't work when you buy into the shape of the week. aaron@designcraft.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 06:57:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA176678644; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:57:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26898; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 06:54:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26774; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26762; Thu, 7 May 1998 06:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:54:06 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:53:55 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: David and Axel's suggestion on unsubscribing notes in my sig In-Reply-To: <199805070651.XAA03408@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 6 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > You mean like this? > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > To unsubscribe the ThinkPad List, send email to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu > with unsubscribe youremailaddress in body That's quite good but I think you should also include the weather forecast. Apart from this I miss the information on processes, threads, memory usage, and number of files on your harddisk. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:13:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA262440409; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:13:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02871; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:07:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02720; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02705; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts16.loop.net (p09.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.24]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11371; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805071406.HAA11371@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Christoph Eyrich" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 07:07:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: David and Axel's suggestion on unsubscribing notes in my sig Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 7 May 1998 12:53:55 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Wed, 6 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> You mean like this? >> >> -- >> Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >> Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 >> To unsubscribe the ThinkPad List, send email to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu >> with unsubscribe youremailaddress in body > >That's quite good but I think you should also include the weather >forecast. Apart from this I miss the information on processes, threads, >memory usage, and number of files on your harddisk. > Reallly. Well, I'm not sure about bringing that back. I got tired of it myself. Well, when I get my SPARCbook up today, maybe I'll get some random quotes put in my sig or something for those of you with enough HD space for all these large sigs (which add up). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:21:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266600864; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:21:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03238; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:12:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03143; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03130; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts16.loop.net (p09.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.24]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11493; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:11:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805071411.HAA11493@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 07:12:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:58 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>From Randal's forwarded message re the TP600: > >>Weight : 5.6 lbs (about 6.5 lbs travel weight) > >Yikes! Is this true? This is *way* too heavy; I think we can dismiss any idea that the 600 is a real replacement for the 560. Way too heavy? Believe me, you don't know what heavy is. And for a notebook, I think that 10 lbs is heavy. I can feel the difference a lot between my TP701 and my SPARCbook, but it doesn't bother me because I take both of them with me anyways. I suppose if you have arthiritis then weight is a big consideration when buying a new notebook. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:24:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268121046; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:24:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04041; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:19:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03927; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03913; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts16.loop.net (p09.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.24]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11647; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:18:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805071418.HAA11647@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 07:18:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>You didn't mention sturdiness - the 560 *is* a bit flimsy (I'm pretty sure >that case flex is >what caused my system board failure). I subject my >Micron Transport - which is a tank - >to indignities that I wouldn't think >of inflicting on the 560. I expect the 770 is similar. > > I'm not accustomed to beating up on my equipment. :-) I don't think that anyone means to "beat up" their equipment, but different people handle their computers differently. For example, my computers take some stress because being taken in a backpack on a bike EVERY day, to and from school, is a lot of use, but I don't abuse them. I suppose that for a heavy traveller, a more durable machine is better than a flimsy/fragile machine, for the office user. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:24:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268281069; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:24:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03467; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:14:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03321; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03298; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts16.loop.net (p09.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.24]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11531; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:13:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805071413.HAA11531@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 07:14:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > I don't think it ever was. Really, I see it as a replacement for the >770's--and nearly everything below it. The only reason now to buy a >bigger, thicker, heavier 770 is if you need the hardware MPEG built-in, the >funny video ports, or absolutely need the higher capacity of the thicker >hard drives. > And the 3 year warranty. Remember that the 7xx series always had a 3 year warranty. > That's not to say the super-high-end machines won't continue to exist >(there are people that want one), but this will eat a significant bite from >that market. > So which is faster, the 600 or the 770? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:26:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA269051204; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:26:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04512; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:23:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04427; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04412; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p18.hwts14.loop.net (p18.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.213]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA11812; Thu, 7 May 1998 07:22:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805071422.HAA11812@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "karensw@halcyon.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 07:22:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: repairing or disposing of batteries Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Can a battery be repaired? If not, what is the best method of disposal? Technically, yes. Some dealers will open the battery and simply replace the cells inside, but I'm not sure what the cost difference will be. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:33:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271151616; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:33:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05259; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:29:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05027; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vassar.edu (vaxsar.vassar.edu [143.229.1.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05001; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs.vassar.edu (hub.cs.vassar.edu) by VASSAR.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #20112) with SMTP id <01IWQYW5Z8QO009ICG@VASSAR.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:30:30 EST Received: from mote by cs.vassar.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA22054; Thu, 07 May 1998 10:28:12 -0400 Received: from localhost by mote (SMI-8.6) id KAA13399; Thu, 07 May 1998 10:28:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:28:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Manning Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic In-Reply-To: <354F401A.2B516536@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-Sender: manning@mote To: I Lee Hetherington Cc: ThinkPad List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 5 May 1998, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >> Our TP600s (266MHz Pentium II) just arrived. The graphics chip is the >> NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD. We had heard conflicting information about >> NeoMagic vs. Trident. >> >> So much for you XFree86 users out there. I don't even know if >> Accelerated X supports this chipset yet. Lee, Then its time to start seriously hoping that IBM does a better job building their hardware than writing their technical documentation! Several IBM web pages list the graphics chipset as being from Trident (including a page specifically for the model you mention above); other web pages list it as being from NeoMagic. On Apr 28 (the day the TP600 was released), I called IBM about it, referred to the inconsistency in their web pages, but was confidently assured, from their own internal documentation, that they use Trident. Can I ask ... are you reeeeeeeely sure that your TP600 has a NeoMagic? How do you know? Apologies for appearing to doubt your claim, but if you perhaps got your info from the included documentation, then maybe the documentation may have been incorrect? (we know that IBM is capable of incorrect documentation, since at least one of their web pages must be wrong). This is all so stupid. Yo, IBM! -- get your act together on this! Cheers, Joseph ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joseph Manning / Computer Science / Vassar College / manning@cs.vassar.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 10:34:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271501678; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:34:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05404; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 10:30:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05166; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05098; Thu, 7 May 1998 10:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07121 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:29:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA07111 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:29:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980507102322.00970390@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:23:22 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Warranties In-Reply-To: <199805071413.HAA11531@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:14 AM 5/7/98 -0800, you wrote: >>I don't think it ever was. Really, I see it as a replacement for the >>770's--and nearly everything below it. The only reason now to buy a >>bigger, thicker, heavier 770 is if you need the hardware MPEG built-in, the >>funny video ports, or absolutely need the higher capacity of the thicker >>hard drives. >> >And the 3 year warranty. Remember that the 7xx series always had a 3 year warranty. > The 600 as well as the 770 have 3-year warranties unlike the 560's 1-year. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 11:08:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA288303717; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:08:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08039; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:04:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07925; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07908; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28889; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:04:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:04:26 -0600 (MDT) From: raybay To: Joseph Manning Cc: I Lee Hetherington , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well IBM has always done a great job on building computers and a lousy job on documentation and support... luckily their machines have been constructed so well that the documentation and support have not been big issues... People used to IBM's have not experienced some of the horrors owners of other equipment have struggled to correct. I am one of those people who has always had BIG trouble with various products manufactured by Trident, so I looked forward to the NeoMagic. The research and development in graphics and graphics chips are truly exciting... I expect a big change at IBM and others before Christmas. Ray Bay > >> Our TP600s (266MHz Pentium II) just arrived. The graphics chip is the > >> NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD. We had heard conflicting information about > >> NeoMagic vs. Trident. > > Then its time to start seriously hoping that IBM does a better job > building their hardware than writing their technical documentation! > > Several IBM web pages list the graphics chipset as being from Trident > (including a page specifically for the model you mention above); > other web pages list it as being from NeoMagic. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 11:09:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA288553749; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:09:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08212; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:06:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08100; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08088; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA22254; Thu, 7 May 98 11:06:13 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3551CDE5.1B96FA8F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:06:13 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Aaron W. Brown" Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) References: <002a01bd7956$693a03c0$0c336120@x.drift.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where was that? On the memory compatibility chart on the IBM site, they list identical memory for the 600 and 770 (76H0239 for 64MB DIMM). In fact, we are using the 76H0239 on both 600s and 770s. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 11:15:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA290914147; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09218; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:12:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09054; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09038; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA22351; Thu, 7 May 98 11:12:20 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3551CF53.9630D778@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:12:19 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Joseph Manning Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am reeeeeeeealy sure. In Win95, under display properties it says NeoMagic MagicGraph128XD. Under Linux, running Accelerated X, I am specifying NeoMagic MagicGraph128XD as the video "board". The -51U (266 PII) TP600 most definitely has NeoMagic. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 11:19:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292324346; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:19:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09740; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09468; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09417; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29166 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:15:04 -0600 (MDT) From: raybay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Flimsy? In-Reply-To: <199805071418.HAA11647@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Thinkpad 600 looks and feels much more substantia than the 560... The Thinkpad 770 (and 760ED and up) are at least as tough as the Micron... certainly have less problems. Manufacturing is improving for most makers... but those that try to reduce weight seem to increase board failures and other problems... It is fun to look at our repair records on various computers made/sold by the same company such as the IBM's (560's vs 760's), the Dells (Latitude vs Inspiron), the Microns, and the Compaqs (Contura, Elites, Armada's)... In a big organization like ours, we can see the extra weight is often valuable when you look at lifetime durability... but then the MIS guys usually don't have to carry one clear across the O'Hare or Hartsfield airports... If I were a student or other person who had to pay for repairs and maintenance I would give a much lower value to light weight based on what I have seen in our shop. > >>You didn't mention sturdiness - the 560 *is* a bit flimsy > >Micron Transport - which is a tank - >to indignities that I wouldn't think > >of inflicting on the 560. I expect the 770 is similar. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 11:19:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292364348; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:19:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08932; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:10:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08741; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08710; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from airmail.net from [139.51.215.98] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Thu, 7 May 98 10:10:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3551CE9E.97745247@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:09:30 -0500 From: "John E. Black II" Reply-To: jblack1@airmail.net Organization: J.B. Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760CD Goodies Packet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have lost my goody back that had all of my misc. items in it. I need some assistance with finding part numbers, if available. I tried the IBM web site and no parts exist that I am looking for. What I really need is the video cable, any other numbers from the misc items would be greatly appreciated. THX in advance. JEB From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 11:26:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA297424781; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:26:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11076; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:23:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10927; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10741; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-072.usc.edu [128.125.223.72]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA16485; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071521.IAA16485@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:14:41 -0700 To: Bill Morrow From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) Cc: "Aaron W. Brown" , David Ross , TP List In-Reply-To: <35515954.23E67CD9@icanect.net> References: <199805070447.VAA05388@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:48 PM 5/6/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >it IS the same RAM for the 600 and 770 series... So perhaps you can shed some light on why there's a difference in the specs below? >> At 06:21 PM 5/6/98 , Aaron W. Brown wrote: >> >> >On the ibm website the TP600 memory description says: >> >SDRAM/3.3v/66MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin SDRAM >> >SO-DIMMs >> > >> >TP770 says: >> >SDRAM/3.3v/83 or 100MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin EDO or >> >SDRAM SO-DIMMs (EDO is not supported on models 5AU/51U/52U/53U). >> > >> >Why is faster memory required on the 770? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 13:01:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA046810513; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:01:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17318; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 12:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16627; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13198; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-113.usc.edu [128.125.223.113]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA24043; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071551.IAA24043@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:28:04 -0700 To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Weight and TPs and replacements and such Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <002a01bd7993$d35d4360$0c336120@x.drift.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:40 AM 5/7/98 , Aaron W. Brown wrote: >Randal Whittle said: >> Seeing the Sony, the HP Sojourn, the Micron Go Book, etc...I'm guessing >>IBM will replace the 560 around then with an even lighter/thinner model. >>The "category" of Thin & Light will be preserved, IBM will just improve on >>it. The 600 is the "almost as thin & light but also full-featured modular" >>category. > >Ah yes, so in 6 months we can look forward to the Really UltraThinBayTM. >Modular? I guess. Swapable parts are great but it doesn't work when you >buy into the shape of the week. You'll note that the Sojourn and GoBook use "slices" to add features--and in so doing, they add a hell of a lot of extra size and weight. On either of them, you can add a "multimedia slice" and a "battery slice", but by the time you do so, you're up to more than TP-600 weight and have exceeded its thickness significantly. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think there's room for two separate categories here--the one that's mostly thin & light, but allows for some "plug-ins" and the one that's super thin & light that allows for extra baggage to be attached to it--turning it into a heavy beast. The former is always going to be less expensive for the feature set, as the "slices" that get added on to the latter are tremendously expensive. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 13:33:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA062562382; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:33:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19532; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 13:29:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19416; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19394; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:29:08 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (hdn112-126.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.110.126]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id NAA10373 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980507132456.0080b100@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:24:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) In-Reply-To: <199805071521.IAA16485@almaak.usc.edu> References: <35515954.23E67CD9@icanect.net> <199805070447.VAA05388@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:14 AM 5/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:48 PM 5/6/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: > >>it IS the same RAM for the 600 and 770 series... > > So perhaps you can shed some light on why there's a difference in the >specs below? >... >>> >SDRAM/3.3v/66MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin SDRAM >... >>> >SDRAM/3.3v/83 or 100MHz/non-parity; two sockets for two JEDEC 144-pin Well, here's my speculation. I have no evidence that this is taking place in this particular case, though I have seen vendors do this sort of thing before. A) The 770 requires faster RAM. B) The 600 does not require faster RAM. C) The 600 will operate just fine with faster RAM. D) IBM does not want to have the added costs of stocking two different parts when one (the faster one) will do. E) IBM has chosen to pass along their savings to the customer in the form of one higher price for the more costly RAM. Of course, E could be wrong if the yields are such that they are getting tons of the faster chips out of the process and the supply/demand curve is "kinda goofy". -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 14:01:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA076004087; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:01:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09959; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09573; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09486; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA22379; Thu, 7 May 98 11:15:01 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3551CFF5.92548372@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:15:01 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Aaron W. Brown" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TP600] Weight again (was: [Fwd: Re: Compare Thinkpad 600 / 770]) References: <002a01bd7956$693a03c0$0c336120@x.drift.com> <3551CDE5.1B96FA8F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Pardon me. I meant 76H0295 for the TP600/770 64MB DIMM. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 14:07:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079784468; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:07:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10227; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 11:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09970; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09899; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29266; Thu, 7 May 1998 09:17:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 09:17:23 -0600 (MDT) From: raybay To: "John E. Black II" Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760CD Goodies Packet In-Reply-To: <3551CE9E.97745247@airmail.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unless it has changed recently, all that info is available on the IBM thinkpad website. > some assistance with finding part numbers, if available. I tried the > IBM web site and no parts exist that I am looking for. What I really > need is the video cable, any other numbers from the misc items would be From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 14:27:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA092405646; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:27:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23007; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 14:18:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22469; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22453; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08435 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:17:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA08431 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:17:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:11:13 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >The docs I have say that the 13.3" TFT 600 with the CD-ROM installed is >5.5lbs (4.9 + .63 respectively). The external CD-ROM for the 560X is >larger and heavier than the internal 600 one, and the two systems use the >same AC Adapter. So, in the end, when you add it all up there's only a >little over a half pound difference in travel weight between the two if you >travel with the CD-ROM even though the 600's screen is larger. The >footprint is a little bigger, but it didn't *feel* big and unwieldy to me >like the 765 and 770 do. > Well, I got curious about how much that 560 CD-ROM really weighs up and couldn't find the info on IBM's roving web site. But my boss has one, so I got it and its battery pack and took them to the mail room and got them weighed. I didn't want to have to crawl around behind her desk to get the CD-ROM's AC Adapter and figured it and the battery pack would weigh about the same. The 560 CD-ROM alone weighs - 15.7 oz. With its battery pack (ie - travel weight), it weighs a hefty 1 lb 5.3 oz! So the travel weight of the 12.1" TFT 560X plus CD-ROM plus CD-ROM power source (battery pack or AC Adapter is: 4.1 + 1.33 = 5.43 lbs plus the 560's AC Adapter Compared to the travel weight of the 13.3" TFT 600 plus internal CD-ROM of: 5.5 lbs plus the 600's AC Adapter Hmmm... 1-year warranty vs 3-year warranty, bigger screen, internal CD-ROM and virtually the same travel weight. Am I missing something here? Why would anyone buy the 560 now? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:21:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA120688898; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:21:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26431; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:18:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26311; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26245; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts03.loop.net (p20.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28029; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071915.MAA28029@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Axel Hartmann" , "Ray Bay" , "raybay@broadcast.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 08:22:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Noise, Bandwidth, Headers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 07 May 1998 00:42:40 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >It seems like few people on the list like the extra use of >bandwidth, repetitions, signatures, etc... but he doesn't >seem to care... there have been many requests that he >give some consideration to readers/users... > Are you refering to my sig, or to what Axel said in a previous thread? I'm a little lost on this one. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:22:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA120998967; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26563; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:19:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26410; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26294; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts03.loop.net (p20.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28038; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071915.MAA28038@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 08:24:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Weight and TPs and replacements and such Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Ah yes, so in 6 months we can look forward to the Really UltraThinBayTM. >Modular? I guess. Swapable parts are great but it doesn't work when you >buy into the shape of the week. And especially when you upgrade to a faster/better machine, and backwards compatibility is not an option. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:26:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124199215; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:26:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27233; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26863; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26809; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id PAA26739; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:29:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:29:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Jane Loyless Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: more weight and TPs and replacements and such: SI edition In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, for those who have a better feel for g and kg than oz and lb, here are some translations: > The 560 CD-ROM alone weighs - 15.7 oz. 445 g. > With its battery pack (ie - travel weight), it weighs a hefty 1 lb 5.3 oz! a hefty 603 g! > So the travel weight of the 12.1" TFT 560X plus CD-ROM plus CD-ROM power > source (battery pack or AC Adapter is: > > 4.1 + 1.33 = 5.43 lbs plus the 560's AC Adapter 1.86 + 0.60 = 2.46 kg plus the 560's AC Adapter > Compared to the travel weight of the 13.3" TFT 600 plus internal CD-ROM of: > > 5.5 lbs plus the 600's AC Adapter 2.5 kg plus the 600's AC Adapter > Hmmm... 1-year warranty vs 3-year warranty, bigger screen, internal CD-ROM > and virtually the same travel weight. Am I missing something here? Why > would anyone buy the 560 now? Perhaps the 560 costs less? Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:27:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124319225; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:27:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27254; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26858; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26799; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts03.loop.net (p20.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28714; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071920.MAA28714@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Joseph Manning" , "raybay" Cc: "I Lee Hetherington" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 12:20:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 7 May 1998 09:04:26 -0600 (MDT), raybay wrote: >Well IBM has always done a great job on building computers and a lousy job >on documentation and support... luckily their machines have been constructed >so well that the documentation and support have not been big issues... This is very true of both their systems and operating systems. >People used to IBM's have not experienced some of the horrors owners of >other equipment have struggled to correct. > I am used to my machines, because I find all this stuff more than easy. Everyone else's mileage will vary because of different skill levels. >I am one of those people who has always had BIG trouble with various products >manufactured by Trident, so I looked forward to the NeoMagic. The research >and development in graphics and graphics chips are truly exciting... I expect >a big change at IBM and others before Christmas. > Well, I also hear the Trident really sucks at OS/2 support, so I'm not surprised if they're lacking in other fields. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:28:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA125439336; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:28:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27590; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:25:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27388; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25378; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-126.usc.edu [128.125.223.126]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA25987; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071906.MAA25987@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:06:24 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:11 AM 5/7/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: > >>The docs I have say that the 13.3" TFT 600 with the CD-ROM installed is >>5.5lbs (4.9 + .63 respectively). The external CD-ROM for the 560X is >Well, I got curious about how much that 560 CD-ROM really weighs up and >The 560 CD-ROM alone weighs - 15.7 oz. > >With its battery pack (ie - travel weight), it weighs a hefty 1 lb 5.3 oz! >Hmmm... 1-year warranty vs 3-year warranty, bigger screen, internal CD-ROM >and virtually the same travel weight. Am I missing something here? Why >would anyone buy the 560 now? ...maybe if you don't want, need, or care about a CD except when you go to install software. To be honest, I have little use for one other than in that circumstance. Jane, since you have a 600, perhaps you can tell me...does IBM include a "plug" to stick in the back and/or cover the empty slot if you choose to go with *neither* the CD or the floppy in the machine? Or do you have to walk around with a gaping hole in your computer, ready to suck in all sorts of dust & dirt? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:38:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA131589919; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:38:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28795; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:32:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28578; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28434; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17793 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA17789 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:31:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980507152138.0097d670@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:21:38 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such In-Reply-To: <199805071906.MAA25987@almaak.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:06 PM 5/7/98 -0700, you wrote: > ...maybe if you don't want, need, or care about a CD except when you go to >install software. To be honest, I have little use for one other than in >that circumstance. > That's a good point - it would definitely depend on whether or not a user needs (or wants) to use CD's away from their desk. > Jane, since you have a 600, perhaps you can tell me...does IBM include a >"plug" to stick in the back and/or cover the empty slot if you choose to go >with *neither* the CD or the floppy in the machine? > Well, I don't have it anymore - it was just an eval unit. But the template was included. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:38:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA131639920; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:38:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28447; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:31:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28338; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (mailer2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28320; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [129.59.181.66] (A181066.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.181.66]) by mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/VU2.2) with SMTP id OAA06378; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:26:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Lestari, Ruby" Reply-To: ruby.lestari@vanderbilt.edu To: Paul Khoury Cc: I Lee Hetherington , Joseph Manning , raybay , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic In-Reply-To: <199805071920.MAA28714@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:32:30 -0500 Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for MacPPC Version 4.1.4 Build (40) X-Authentication: none Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu what is the difference between Trident and NeoMagic..?? lruby On Thu, 07 May 98 12:20:58 Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 7 May 1998 09:04:26 -0600 (MDT), raybay wrote: > > >Well IBM has always done a great job on building computers and a lousy job > >on documentation and support... luckily their machines have been constructed > >so well that the documentation and support have not been big issues... > > This is very true of both their systems and operating systems. > > >People used to IBM's have not experienced some of the horrors owners of > >other equipment have struggled to correct. > > > I am used to my machines, because I find all this stuff more than easy. Everyone > else's mileage will vary because of different skill levels. > > >I am one of those people who has always had BIG trouble with various products > >manufactured by Trident, so I looked forward to the NeoMagic. The research > >and development in graphics and graphics chips are truly exciting... I expect > >a big change at IBM and others before Christmas. > > > Well, I also hear the Trident really sucks at OS/2 support, so I'm not surprised if they're lacking in other fields. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org > Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lestari, Ruby Vanderbilt University Email: ruby.lestari@Vanderbilt.Edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:39:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA132659973; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:39:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29476; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:37:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29373; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29228; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts03.loop.net (p20.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA00543; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:34:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071934.MAA00543@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ruby.lestari@vanderbilt.edu" Cc: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Joseph Manning" , "raybay" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 12:35:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 07 May 1998 13:32:30 -0500, Lestari, Ruby wrote: >what is the difference between Trident and NeoMagic..?? > IMO, they're both crummy chips, but Trident has better OS/2, Linux, and Windows support. NeoMagic sucks IMHO, because it only has Windows support (and I think someone said OS/2 support). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:42:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA134340155; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:42:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00254; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:39:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29750; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29540; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts03.loop.net (p20.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA00820; Thu, 7 May 1998 12:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805071937.MAA00820@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christian Carey" , "Jane Loyless" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 07 May 98 12:37:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: more weight and TPs and replacements and such: SI edition Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> Hmmm... 1-year warranty vs 3-year warranty, bigger screen, internal CD-ROM >> and virtually the same travel weight. Am I missing something here? Why >> would anyone buy the 560 now? > >Perhaps the 560 costs less? > Yup, but I'm still surprised why it only has a 1 year warranty, while the 701 (right when it was being phased out) still had that nice 3 year warranty. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 15:58:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA142641132; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:58:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01541; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 15:55:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01427; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01412; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id OAA26840 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:55:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id OAA26836 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 14:55:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 07 May 1998 14:52:48 -0600 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 May 1998 14:53:20 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 14:52:39 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 has NeoMagic -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_40142A50.9CFD89FD" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_40142A50.9CFD89FD Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Considering the install base of OS/2 and Linux, what could they have been thinking! ;^) I don't think I would state a video chipset is crummy for reasons listed below. Didn't someone on this list indicate that some flavor of Linux and/or X software supported NeoMagic? >>> "Paul Khoury" 05/07/98 12:35pm >>> >what is the difference between Trident and NeoMagic..?? > IMO, they're both crummy chips, but Trident has better OS/2, Linux, and Windows support. NeoMagic sucks IMHO, because it only has Windows support (and I think someone said OS/2 support). ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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NeoMagic sucks IMHO, because it only has Windows support (and I think someone said OS/2 support). --Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 --=_40142A50.9CFD89FD-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 16:48:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA167614084; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:48:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04921; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 16:45:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04751; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04720; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-073.usc.edu [128.125.223.73]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA01856; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805072045.NAA01856@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:36:13 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980507152138.0097d670@mindspring.com> References: <199805071906.MAA25987@almaak.usc.edu> <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:21 PM 5/7/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >> Jane, since you have a 600, perhaps you can tell me...does IBM include a >>"plug" to stick in the back and/or cover the empty slot if you choose to go >>with *neither* the CD or the floppy in the machine? >> > >Well, I don't have it anymore - it was just an eval unit. But the template >was included. Okay...anyone else that *does* have a 600 want to answer that question? And by "template included", do you mean "Yes, there is a plug"? Also, I would like to know...can that thin ultrabay be used to hold either a 2nd battery or a 2nd hard drive? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 16:54:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA171284467; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:54:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05524; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 16:52:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05348; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sva.slu.edu (sva.slu.edu [165.134.1.164]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05330; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from sluvca.slu.edu ([165.134.23.95]) by SLU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #24465) with SMTP id <01IWRA4360JA96YNOF@SLU.EDU> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 7 May 1998 15:51:31 CDT Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 15:53:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Dock II To: Thinkpad Reply-To: tuchledj@SLU.EDU Message-Id: <01IWRA44V6TC96YNOF@SLU.EDU> X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Priority: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a Dock II for sale. I am asking $250 plus shipping (around $30). I would like a copy of a manual for Dock II and Dock I. I will pay for copying and shipping costs. Thanks Dennis J. Tuchler Professor of Law St. Louis University 314-977-2793 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 16:56:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA173234601; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:56:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05894; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 16:53:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05596; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.cadence.com (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05534; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.cadence.com (8.8.5/8.6.8) id NAA09984; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub2.cadence.com(158.140.128.8) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (mjr-v1.2) id xma894574406.009981; Thu, 7 May 98 13:53:26 -0700 Received: (from perley@localhost) by mailhub.Cadence.COM (8.8.8/8.8.5) id NAA24788; Thu, 7 May 1998 13:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Perley Message-Id: <199805072053.NAA24788@mailhub.Cadence.COM> Subject: Re: You Probably Heard... To: kglp@cia-g.com Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from raybay at "May 5, 98 03:01:36 pm" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL5 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Maybe Msoft users can relate to a couple of guys in a rowboat lost in the fog a hundred miles off shore? > You may have heard that Microsoft chairman William H. Gates has just > obtained the Winslow Homer painting "Lost on the Grand Banks" > for $30 million. Mr. Gates will rename it Winslow '98 using the > painting as a logo. -Don Perley From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 16:59:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174564750; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:59:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06344; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 16:57:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06197; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vsntz20.vps.no ([193.213.205.165]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06043; Thu, 7 May 1998 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from nosln1.nos.no (unverified [193.215.141.70]) by vsntz20.vps.no (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with SMTP id ; Thu, 07 May 1998 22:48:39 -0700 Received: by nosln1.nos.no(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id C12565FD.0072E9CE ; Thu, 7 May 1998 22:55:09 +0200 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: NOS To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 22:55:03 +0200 Subject: Problem installing new display driver on 770 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Trying to install the new display driver (1.02) on may 770, I get address exception in TDSPUTIL.EXE (after copying 8514*.fon). Currently running warp 4 with fixpack 6. (The TDSPUTIL on c:\os2\system\ is dated 25.nov.1997) Any idea?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 17:05:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177545156; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:05:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07148; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 17:04:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07059; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07047; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u35.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.248.101]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18370 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980507165737.00a23e20@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:57:37 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such In-Reply-To: <199805072045.NAA01856@almaak.usc.edu> References: <3.0.1.32.19980507152138.0097d670@mindspring.com> <199805071906.MAA25987@almaak.usc.edu> <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:36 PM 5/7/98 -0700, you wrote: > And by "template included", do you mean "Yes, there is a plug"? > Yes, the template (IBM calls it a travel cover) is the plug, and it's included. > Also, I would like to know...can that thin ultrabay be used to hold either >a 2nd battery or a 2nd hard drive? > Not that I'm aware of. The web site only mentions the floppy, the CD-ROM and the DVD drive. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 17:08:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA178725311; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:08:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07673; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 17:06:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07398; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07280; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u35.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.248.101]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22429 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980507165914.009bebe0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 16:59:14 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: more weight and TPs and replacements and such: SI edition In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980507141113.00a592f0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:29 PM 5/7/98 -0400, you wrote: >for those who have a better feel for g and kg than oz and lb, here are >some translations: > Thanks, Christian! I was too lazy to do that! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 17:54:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200568043; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:54:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10223; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 17:50:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10041; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10023; Thu, 7 May 1998 17:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01822; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:49:58 -1000 Message-Id: <002301bd7a02$2b5d4ce0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" Subject: Re: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:50:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well, I got curious about how much that 560 CD-ROM really weighs up and >couldn't find the info on IBM's roving web site. But my boss has one, = so I >got it and its battery pack and took them to the mail room and got them >weighed. >The 560 CD-ROM alone weighs - 15.7 oz. >With its battery pack (ie - travel weight), it weighs a hefty 1 lb 5.3 = oz! It *seems* like a lot less to me, but since you weighed it... Is this = the 4x version or the 8-20CAV version, and is it with or without the = integral speakers? David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 18:26:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA217580007; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:26:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11731; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 18:24:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11625; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11613; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (184.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.184]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA14903; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35523611.2694A137@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 18:30:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jblack1@airmail.net Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760CD Goodies Packet References: <3551CE9E.97745247@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What will you pay for a video cable..?? :-) John E. Black II wrote: > I have lost my goody back that had all of my misc. items in it. I need > some assistance with finding part numbers, if available. I tried the > IBM web site and no parts exist that I am looking for. What I really > need is the video cable, any other numbers from the misc items would be > greatly appreciated. THX in advance. > > JEB -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 18:30:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218820216; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:30:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12231; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 18:29:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12086; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12072; Thu, 7 May 1998 18:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from castor.hoff.net from [207.136.49.111] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Thu, 7 May 98 17:28:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980507173224.007de210@206.66.12.40> X-Sender: gandalf@206.66.12.40 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 17:32:24 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dustin Hoff Subject: help: Home & Away PCMCIA adapter of 755C w/win95 osr2 In-Reply-To: <002301bd7a02$2b5d4ce0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 755C, and it recognizes the Home & Away 14.4 ethernet/modem combo card, but it does not find the drivers on the win95 disk. I can install it as a generic PCMCIA modem (separately), but the ethernet card doesn't work.. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 20:17:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268246656; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:17:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16384; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 20:14:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16248; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16235; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl ([12.69.70.70]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA24815 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:13:34 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980507200656.00a1aca0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 20:06:56 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: More Weight and TPs and replacements and such In-Reply-To: <002301bd7a02$2b5d4ce0$fc32ab80@sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:50 AM 5/7/98 -1000, you wrote: >>Well, I got curious about how much that 560 CD-ROM really weighs up and >>couldn't find the info on IBM's roving web site. But my boss has one, so I >>got it and its battery pack and took them to the mail room and got them >>weighed. > >>The 560 CD-ROM alone weighs - 15.7 oz. > >>With its battery pack (ie - travel weight), it weighs a hefty 1 lb 5.3 oz! > > >It *seems* like a lot less to me, but since you weighed it... Is this the 4x version or the 8->20CAV version, and is it with or without the integral speakers? > Yes, before I weighed it, I would have guessed a pound with the battery pack. I was stunned when the postage meter scale said it weighed almost a pound *without* the battery pack. This is the 8-20CAV one, and I took the Mickey Mouse ears off. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 7 20:21:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270446908; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:21:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16756; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 7 May 1998 20:20:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16672; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp0-alterdial.uu.net (smtp0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.28]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16652; Thu, 7 May 1998 20:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop0-alterdial.uu.net by smtp0-alterdial.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: pop0-alterdial.UU.NET [192.48.96.27]) id QQeokf29142; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:20:10 GMT Received: from DEC2000 by pop0-alterdial.uu.net with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: iq-ind-as004-16.iquest.net [209.43.54.16]) id QQeokf28089; Fri, 8 May 1998 00:20:09 GMT Message-Id: <199805071918440240.0047F82A@alterdial.uu.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 2.40.41.04 Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 19:18:44 -0500 From: "Michael Mahoney" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkd 600 pII 266 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody received one yet? If so where? Michael Mahoney mahoneym@pop.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 8 02:20:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA136318417; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:20:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27215; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 8 May 1998 02:18:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27096; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (mail.islandnet.com [199.175.106.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27084; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:18:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by mail.islandnet.com id m0yXgUM-000KuKC for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 May 1998 23:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 22:22:12 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HPFS Hibernation File X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47 b47 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Attn: Julian or Mary Jane Thomas ( I think :) ) Since I haven't seen a reply to your query I'll pass this link along: http://www.secant.com/sipples/tpad701.htm I recall you were looking for information on hibernation files on HPFS Partitions. There is a rexx script there for doing this on a TP701. It and other information there may be usefull to you and others on the list. Ron [8-) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- rdebeck@islandnet.com Ron De Beck Victoria, B.C., Canada ------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 8 02:50:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA147860235; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:50:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28279; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 8 May 1998 02:49:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28187; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28174; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (226.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.226]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA05276; Fri, 8 May 1998 02:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3552AC6B.D81E62FB@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 02:55:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Mahoney Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkd 600 pII 266 References: <199805071918440240.0047F82A@alterdial.uu.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes.. i had one for a day, then sent it to an associate in germany.. its a really nice machine.. my vendor is sold out.. Michael Mahoney wrote: > Has anybody received one yet? If so where? > > Michael Mahoney > mahoneym@pop.net -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 8 03:33:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA168392794; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:33:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00865; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 8 May 1998 03:31:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00761; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00749; Fri, 8 May 1998 03:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25257 invoked by uid 66); 8 May 1998 07:30:50 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 May 98 07:17 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: David and Axels suggestion on unsubscribing notes in my sig To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Christoph Eyrich (eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de) wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > You mean like this? > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > > Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > To unsubscribe the ThinkPad List, send email to thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu > > with unsubscribe youremailaddress in body > > That's quite good but I think you should also include the weather > forecast. Apart from this I miss the information on processes, threads, > memory usage, and number of files on your harddisk. And a S/MIME signature, for that matter. No, seriously, I think Paul is right. What he describes is standard in a number of other mailing lists I subscribe to, and the two extra lines are less annoying than the question of the day (how do I get unsubscribed? I was silly enough to dump the reminder I was sent by majordomo long ago). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 8 05:27:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214449671; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:27:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10294; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 8 May 1998 05:26:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10198; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10186; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id KAA11321 for Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:26:06 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Fri, 8 May 98 10:24 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: Problem installing new display driver on 770 To: Gunnar_Berthelsen@nos.no, Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Worked all right for me, and none of the old vdu problems since. Only difference is that I am still on FP5. You did remember to switch back to VGA first ? My tdsputil.exe has the same date as yours, but is in os2\install not os2\system. -------- Original Message -------- Trying to install the new display driver (1.02) on may 770, I get address exception in TDSPUTIL.EXE (after copying 8514*.fon). Currently running warp 4 with fixpack 6. (The TDSPUTIL on c:\os2\system\ is dated 25.nov.1997) Any idea?? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 8 08:25:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA287100309; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:25:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14149; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 8 May 1998 08:23:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14007; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13985; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:23:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a2.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.66]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA02102; Fri, 8 May 1998 05:23:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199805081223.FAA02102@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Fri, 08 May 98 05:26:19 -0700 To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser), Gunnar_Berthelsen@nos.no, Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Problem installing new display driver on 770 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In , on 05/08/98 at 10:24 AM, g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) said: There is a known problem installing various drivers under FP6. I would recommend backing out of the fixpack, switching back to VGA, installing the new video drivers and then reinstalling FP6 to get around this problem. James >In-Reply-To: >Worked all right for me, and none of the old vdu problems since. Only > difference is that I am still on FP5. You did remember to switch >back to VGA first ? My tdsputil.exe has the same date as yours, but >is in os2\install not os2\system. >-------- Original Message -------- >Trying to install the new display driver (1.02) on may 770, I get >address exception in TDSPUTIL.EXE (after copying 8514*.fon). >Currently running warp >4 with fixpack 6. (The TDSPUTIL on c:\os2\system\ is dated >25.nov.1997) Any idea?? -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 8 11:30:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA074071404; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:30:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24845; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 8 May 1998 11:22:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24651; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24601; Fri, 8 May 1998 11:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts16.loop.net (p17.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.32]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA07175; Fri, 8 May 1998 08:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805081521.IAA07175@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Gerry Prosser" , "Gunnar_Berthelsen@nos.no" , "os2support@theriver.com" Date: Fri, 08 May 98 08:19:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Problem installing new display driver on 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 08 May 98 05:26:19 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: >In , on 05/08/98 > at 10:24 AM, g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) said: > >There is a known problem installing various drivers under FP6. I >would recommend backing out of the fixpack, switching back to VGA, >installing the new video drivers and then reinstalling FP6 to get >around this problem. > Actually, I installed FP6 on this machine, and it's fine, but I lost the use of fonts when I installed it on my TP701, and other things. I think I'll wait for FP7 or stay with FP5. Just my thoughts. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 9 17:13:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA025958425; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:13:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20549; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 9 May 1998 17:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20356; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20339; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad-535e (usr27-dialup56.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ESP00B3IK34AR@PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:09:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:05:25 -0400 From: "tc.alvarez" Subject: some question re: thinkpad 535 and mwave To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <000701bd7b8e$2fbe1200$b84937a6@thinkpad-535e> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200" Importance: Normal X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I'm new to the Thinkpad list: I own a Thinkpad 535e which I purchased in Hong Kong some months ago. I would like to know if there are other users of this = machine as I would like to know if there are updated utility drivers in = English/Japanese for Windows 95/b that shows acutal percentage or time remaining of = battery capacity I have a general MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers = and sometimes it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the = web and I have 2 or 3 windows open. It is a very perceptible delay. I = have a PC Card modem a USR sportster which does not have the same = problem in the same machine. I run the mwave only at 28.8 is it normal?=20 thanks in advance!=20 carlos sibal ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 I'm new to the Thinkpad list:
 
I=20 own a Thinkpad 535e which I purchased in Hong Kong
some months ago. I would like to know if there are other users = of this=20 machine as I would like to know if there are updated utility drivers in=20 English/Japanese
for=20 Windows 95/b that shows acutal percentage or time remaining of battery=20 capacity
 
I=20 have a general MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers and=20 sometimes it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the web = and I=20 have 2 or 3 windows open. It is a very perceptible delay. I have a PC = Card modem=20 a USR sportster which does not have the same problem in the same = machine. I run=20 the mwave only at 28.8 is it normal?
 
thanks in advance!
 
carlos sibal
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Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22313; Sat, 9 May 1998 18:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA14525; Sat, 9 May 1998 12:40:46 -1000 Message-Id: <000b01bd7b9b$96d487a0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: [TP560] Audio help in W95 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 12:41:19 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Recently I noticed that my .wav files stopped playing. One obvious = thing was that .wav files are set to be opened with Active Movie instead = of SNDREC or Mplayer; presumably this switch happened when I installed = IE4 and DirectShow. =20 Active Movie reports a 'hardware not found or working' error - fair = enough, though odd since it plays midi files fine! Anyway, I then = looked at the hardware and found that W95 was assigning the ESS chip = different resources that the ThinkPad Features program was. Switching = this made no difference at all. Next, I took a look at the IBM web site; they (seem to) have a new Audio = Features diskette (v. 1.02, dated April '98) where the latest addition = is DirectX support. Great! So, I downloaded the file, and installed = the driver. However, even though the reported driver version is = v4.04.00.1102 (which I interpret as version 1.02), the files themselves = are all dated May '97, and installing the new drivers hasn't helped at = all! Can anyone help me here? Of course, I can reset the open associations = for .wav files to SNDREC - in fact, I just did this - but I still have = the sound problems in other apps which use PCM sound encoding, e.g. AVI = files. I'd really like to get this working right. Thanks, David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 01:42:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA233788970; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:42:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01666; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 01:41:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01544; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01523; Sun, 10 May 1998 01:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts14.loop.net (p27.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20451; Sat, 9 May 1998 22:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805100540.WAA20451@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tc.alvarez" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 09 May 98 22:41:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: some question re: thinkpad 535 and mwave Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 09 May 1998 17:05:25 -0400, tc.alvarez wrote: > Where's the message? I cannot read the first attachment, and don't wish to save the GIF. Thank you. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 02:48:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA242542934; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:48:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03811; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 02:47:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03688; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.7.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03674; Sun, 10 May 1998 02:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TP560.usc.edu (ppp-223-201.usc.edu [128.125.223.201]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id XAA18026 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 23:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805100647.XAA18026@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 23:45:59 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: FS: 32 MB RAM Module for TP 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Went a little crazy... I was so happy to dispose of that *mistake* I made in purchasing an NEC Versa 5084X that right after I sold it yesterday, I went and spent some of the money on a RAM upgrade for my venerable old TP 560, which I'll continue to run for a while... So that means the 32 MB Module that came out of it is available for whoever wants to buy. Brand? I dunno...all I know is that it is an EDO-type and it works just fine in the 560. I believe the 380's & some others use the same type of module. I'll entertain offers...private E-mail me if you're interested! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 03:02:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244203757; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:02:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04412; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 03:01:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04309; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04297; Sun, 10 May 1998 03:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad-535e (usr48-dialup60.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0ESQ00DD7BGPTX@PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 10 May 1998 07:00:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 02:56:46 -0400 From: "tc.alvarez" Subject: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION To: THINKPAD MAILING LIST Message-Id: <000001bd7be0$cc2046c0$fc4e37a6@thinkpad-535e> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I'm new to the Thinkpad list: I own a Thinkpad 535e which I purchased in Hong Kong some months ago. I would like to know if there are other users of this machine as I would like to know if there are updated utility drivers in English/Japanese for Windows 95/b that shows acutal percentage or time remaining of battery capacity I have an MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers and sometimes it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the web and I have 2 or 3 windows open. I run the mwave only at 28.8 not even the 33.6kbps setting. It is a very perceptible delay. In comparison, I have a PC Card modem a USR sportster which does not have the same problem in the same machine. Is it normal for the mwave modem to behave this way? thanks in advance! carlos sibal From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 05:06:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253551209; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:06:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08518; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 05:05:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08417; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08405; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id KAA020.14; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:05:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199805100905.KAA020.14@bradnet> Date: Sun, 10 May 98 10:05:19 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: TP600 + Warp4 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Where can I get a TP600 with Warp 4 pre-installed ? If I can't get one, is there any way to get one without Windows pre-installed, at a discounted price, of course... -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 05:09:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253631352; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:09:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08798; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 05:08:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08672; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08655; Sun, 10 May 1998 05:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id KAA020.21; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:08:12 +0100 Message-Id: <199805100908.KAA020.21@bradnet> Date: Sun, 10 May 98 10:08:11 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: ThinkPads with AIX To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of a source of info on PowerPC based ThinkPads running AIX? -- John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 09:07:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271155675; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:07:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18100; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 09:05:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17863; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17832; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts14.loop.net (p27.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA09030; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805101302.GAA09030@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tc.alvarez" , "THINKPAD MAILING LIST" Date: Sun, 10 May 98 06:03:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I have an MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers and sometimes >it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the web and I have 2 >or 3 windows open. I run the mwave only at 28.8 not even the 33.6kbps >setting. It is a very perceptible delay. In comparison, I have a PC Card >modem a USR sportster which does not have the same problem in the same >machine. Is it normal for the mwave modem to behave this way? > The Mwave has problems because it does both sound/midi/modem, so it is burdened by quite a few tasks. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 09:09:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271215753; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:09:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18428; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 09:06:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18008; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17996; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts14.loop.net (p27.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA09093; Sun, 10 May 1998 06:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805101304.GAA09093@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 10 May 98 06:05:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPads with AIX Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 10 May 98 10:08:11 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Does anyone know of a source of info on PowerPC based ThinkPads >running AIX? > I used to have a catalog somewhere here from IBM Direct that had the Power ThinkPads (820 and 850) in them. It was the RS/6000 catalog, and the cheapest model (around $4000 at the time) seemed reasonable for a UNIX-based ThinkPad. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 09:47:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA274308066; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:47:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19163; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 09:45:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18998; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18985; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id JAA04360; Sun, 10 May 1998 09:53:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: John Poltorak Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPads with AIX In-Reply-To: <199805100908.KAA020.21@bradnet> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sunday, 10th May 1998, John Poltorak wrote: > Does anyone know of a source of info on PowerPC based ThinkPads > running AIX? Have you tried http://www.austin.ibm.com/ ? Or using a web searcher such as AltaVista to search on e.g. "ThinkPad 820"? Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 12:36:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026408182; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:36:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23914; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 12:34:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23711; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23698; Sun, 10 May 1998 12:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA28897; Sun, 10 May 1998 10:33:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:33:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: "tc.alvarez" Cc: THINKPAD MAILING LIST Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: <000001bd7be0$cc2046c0$fc4e37a6@thinkpad-535e> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Often, when there is a problem with the Mwave modem, it is because the ISP is using a particular brand and model of a digital portmaster... I have looked into this extensively to know that it is a problem... but we haven't yet resolved why... whether the problem is because the technician at the ISP doesn't know how to properly set up the portmaster, whether the digital portmaster has some quirks, or whether it has more to do with the phone company... In our part of the world, it appears to be a problem between US West's peculiar way of connecting T-1's and its channelized brothers combined with the portmaster (whose manufacturer I cannot mention due to pending litigation). So you might want to determine first if your ISP connection is using a digital portmaster connected to a channelized T-1 or a regular T-1. This problem does not exist with very many modems... MWave, some Lucent Technologies, and some Logicode that I know of. It cannot be fixed, apparently, but if you can connect to a fast analog portmaster or a Courier modem, your problems will be less severe. Ray Bay Kolob Technologies > I have an MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers and sometimes > it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the web and I have 2 > or 3 windows open. I run the mwave only at 28.8 not even the 33.6kbps > setting. It is a very perceptible delay. In comparison, I have a PC Card > modem a USR sportster which does not have the same problem in the same > machine. Is it normal for the mwave modem to behave this way? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 14:56:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA085556569; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:56:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26860; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 14:54:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26713; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26700; Sun, 10 May 1998 14:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bort-franklin (slip-32-100-143-144.co.us.ibm.net [32.100.143.144]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA72522 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:54:07 GMT Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Lots of Thinkpad stuff for sale Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:39:44 -0600 Message-Id: <01bd7c32$3c743660$c7906420@bort-franklin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD7BFF.F1D9C660" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD7BFF.F1D9C660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please forgive the intrusion, but I'm getting rid of my Thinkpad and its = accesories. My present situation requires little travel, so I am going = to make due with a desktop. :( Below are the ads I have posted for: IBM Thinkpad 765D Portable -- $2,350 Li-Ion Battery for Thinkpad 76x/755cx --$90 SelectaDock Base Model I w/Selectadock I --$375 Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100-Ready -- $95 Xtend Auto/Plane Adapter for Thinkpads -- $40 Avatar Shark 250MB Drive w/4 Cartridges -- $175 Packard Bell TopSight Color Video Camera -- $95 ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- Xtend Auto/Plane Adapter for Thinkpads -- $40 -Model E351 -Works for 760/755/750/700/360/355 Models -New in sealed box Sells for $85 elsewhere For info of this adapter refer to: http://www.xmpi.com/html/pwrxtend.html Add shipping and COD charges to price, but prepay is preferred. ----------------------------------------------------- Xircom CreditCard Ethernet 10/100-Ready -- $95 -Model CE3B-100BTX(AM) -Fits in any Type II PCMCIA Slot -Doesn't require a CardBus compatible PC Card Slot -Auto-sensing of 10Mbps or 100Mbps Ethernet connection -Unit is used, but in perfect condition Includes: -Extra dongle -Original box, manuals, etc. -Lifetime Xircom Warranty For info of this PC Card refer to: http://www.xircom.com/secset.html Price includes Priority Mail shipping and COD charges to US addresses. = Save $5 if you prefer to prepay. ----------------------------------------------------- IBM Thinkpad 765D Portable -- $2,350 -Model 9546-U9H Features: -13.3" Active Matrix (TFT) XGA Screen -MMX Pentium 166 MHz w/256K Pipeline Synch Cache -48 MB of RAM (upgradable to 104 MB) -2.1 GB Removable Hard Drive (upgradable to 8.0 GB) -20x Internal CD-ROM (Swappable with Floppy Drive) -MPEG-2: Full Motion / Full Screen Video (Video In/Out) -LIon Battery (two batteries can be installed) -16 bit Stereo Sound (SB Support) -Unique Ergo Keyboard that Tilts-up When You Open Case -IRDa 1.15 Mbps port (Front and Rear) -Comes with Game/MIDI port -Two 32 bit PCMCIA Type II slots or one Type III (Cardbus PCI) -Almost 2.5 Years Remaining on Transferrable IBM Easyserve Warranty Includes: -Still have original box with all dodads -Original receipt dated 10/21/97 (Start of 3 yr. warranty period) -Absolutely new condition! For more info on this model, see: http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/wwwthinkpads/041D2D292708672285256= 521 006DB4AC Check out http://www.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad for more general information. Price includes UPS ground shipping and COD charges to US addresses (can = do FEDEx for a little more). Sorry, I have no way to accept credit cards. ----------------------------------------------------- SelectaDock I This couples to Base Model listed below Part No.: 3547-001 -Works with Thinkpad models: 760/765 -Ports: SCSI-2, Game/MIDI, Stereo Out -Two 32 bit PCMCIA Type II slots or one Type III (Cardbus PCI) -Expansion: Allows plugging in a standard ISA or PCI card -Ultrabay Slot, Accepts: Floppy, Zip, CD-ROM, or Hard Drive -Under Warranty till 7/11/98 -Sells for $525 at mail order houses SelectaDock Base Model I -Port Replicator -Part No.: 39H7405 -Works with Thinkpad models: 360/370/750/755/765 -Ports: Mouse, Keyboard, Serial, Parallel, Display, External Floppy, Power, Stereo Out -Comes with Kennsington port for locking the unit -Under Warranty till 7/21/98 -Sells for $150 at mail order houses For more info on this model, see: http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/wwwoptionsb/35E13B8A11D776BA852565= 210 06C7060 Want to sell both as a package for $375, but will consider selling separately. Check out http://www.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad for more general information. Price includes UPS ground shipping and COD charges to US addresses (can = do FEDEx for a little more). Sorry, I have no way to accept credit cards. ----------------------------------------------------- Li-Ion Battery for Thinkpad 76x/755cx --- $90 -Li-Ion Battery Pack II, Model #29H9329 (29H9232) -Works in 760/765/755cx Models -Will include adapter for TP755cx model for $5 more List price is $265 for this drive. Battery is slightly used. Still months left on one year warranty. For info of this battery refer to: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/products/catalog/3156_6fe.html (Please Note: The IBM page shows the wrong picture) Price includes Priority Mail shipping and COD charges to US addresses. = Save $5 if you prefer to prepay. ----------------------------------------------------- Packard Bell TopSight Color Video Camera -- $95 - Built-in microphone - 768 x 582 Active Pixels (270,000 Total) - 51 x 39 Degree Field of View - SNR: 48 dB - CCD for sharp images in low light conditions - Integrated lens (extreme close-up or infinity) - Automatic white balance - Electronic aperature control - Select from Positive or Negative image - NTSC output (300 TV lines) - Standard RCA Video Plug and Walkman type for sound - Dimensions: 3.3x2.4x3.3" (WxHxD) Includes: - Camera - Stand - Power supply - Box and Manual This camera is OEMed by Creative Labs and Philips also. It is about the size of your fist and adjusts to any angle. Perfect for setting atop = your monitor. If you are interested, I will send out a gif of the camera. Price includes Priority Mail shipping to US addresses and COD charges. = Save $7 if you prepay. Sorry, I have no way to accept credit cards. -----------------------------------------------------=20 -----------------------------------------------------=20 \\|||// (o) (o) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D.oOO=3D=3D( )=3D=3DOOo.=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D || || || Thomas D. Franklin || || tom.franklin@usa.net || || || || .oooO Oooo. || =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D( )=3D=3D=3D( )=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D \ ( ) / \_) (_/ ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD7BFF.F1D9C660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please forgive=20 the intrusion, but I'm getting rid of my Thinkpad and its = accesories.  My=20 present situation requires little travel, so I am going to make due with = a=20 desktop. :( 
 
Below are the=20 ads I have posted for:
 
IBM Thinkpad 765D Portable --=20 $2,350
Li-Ion Battery = for Thinkpad=20 76x/755cx --$90
SelectaDock=20 Base Model I w/Selectadock I  --$375
Xircom CreditCard Ethernet = 10/100-Ready --=20 $95 
Xtend Auto/Plane Adapter for = Thinkpads --=20 $40
Avatar Shark 250MB Drive w/4 = Cartridges --=20 $175 
Packard Bell TopSight Color Video = Camera --=20 $95 
 
-----------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
 
Xtend Auto/Plane Adapter for = Thinkpads --=20 $40
-Model E351
-Works for 760/755/750/700/360/355 Models
-New = in=20 sealed box

Sells for $85 elsewhere

For info of this = adapter refer=20 to:
http://www.xmpi.com/html/= pwrxtend.html

Add=20 shipping and COD charges to price, but prepay is=20 preferred.
 
 
-----------------------------------------------------
 
Xircom CreditCard Ethernet = 10/100-Ready --=20 $95
-Model CE3B-100BTX(AM)
-Fits in any Type II PCMCIA = Slot
-Doesn't=20 require a CardBus compatible PC Card Slot
-Auto-sensing of 10Mbps or = 100Mbps=20 Ethernet connection
-Unit is used, but in perfect=20 condition
Includes:
-Extra dongle
-Original box, manuals,=20 etc.
-Lifetime Xircom Warranty

For info of this PC Card refer=20 to:
http://www.xircom.com/secset.h= tml

Price=20 includes Priority Mail shipping and COD charges to US addresses. =20 Save
$5 if you prefer to prepay. 
 
-----------------------------------------------------
 
IBM Thinkpad 765D Portable -- = $2,350
-Model=20 9546-U9H

Features:
-13.3" Active Matrix (TFT) XGA = Screen
-MMX=20 Pentium 166 MHz w/256K Pipeline Synch Cache
-48 MB of RAM (upgradable = to 104=20 MB)
-2.1 GB Removable Hard Drive (upgradable to 8.0 GB)
-20x = Internal=20 CD-ROM (Swappable with Floppy Drive)
-MPEG-2: Full Motion / Full = Screen Video=20 (Video In/Out)
-LIon Battery (two batteries can be installed)
-16 = bit=20 Stereo Sound (SB Support)
-Unique Ergo Keyboard that Tilts-up When = You Open=20 Case
-IRDa 1.15 Mbps port (Front and Rear)
-Comes with Game/MIDI=20 port
-Two 32 bit PCMCIA Type II slots or one Type III (Cardbus=20 PCI)
-Almost 2.5 Years Remaining on Transferrable IBM Easyserve=20 Warranty

Includes:
-Still have original box with all=20 dodads
-Original receipt dated 10/21/97 (Start of 3 yr. warranty=20 period)
-Absolutely new condition!

For more info on this = model,=20 see:
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/wwwthinkpads/041D2D29= 2708672285256521
006DB4AC

Check=20 out http://www.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad=20 for more general information.

Price includes UPS ground shipping = and COD=20 charges to US addresses (can do
FEDEx for a little more).  = Sorry, I have=20 no way to accept credit cards.
 
 
----------------------------------------------------- 
 
SelectaDock I
This couples to = Base Model=20 listed below
Part No.: 3547-001
-Works with Thinkpad models:=20 760/765
-Ports: SCSI-2, Game/MIDI, Stereo Out
-Two 32 bit PCMCIA = Type II=20 slots or one Type III (Cardbus PCI)
-Expansion: Allows plugging in a = standard=20 ISA or PCI card
-Ultrabay Slot, Accepts: Floppy, Zip, CD-ROM, or Hard = Drive
-Under Warranty till 7/11/98
-Sells for $525 at mail order=20 houses

SelectaDock Base Model I
-Port Replicator
-Part No.: = 39H7405
-Works with Thinkpad models: 360/370/750/755/765
-Ports: = Mouse,=20 Keyboard, Serial, Parallel,=20 Display,
        External Floppy, = Power,=20 Stereo Out
-Comes with Kennsington port for locking the = unit
-Under=20 Warranty till 7/21/98
-Sells for $150 at mail order houses
For = more info=20 on this model, see:
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/wwwoptionsb/35E13B8A1= 1D776BA852565210
06C7060

Want=20 to sell both as a package for $375, but will consider=20 selling
separately.

Check out http://www.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad for=20 more general information.

Price includes UPS ground shipping and = COD=20 charges to US addresses (can do
FEDEx for a little more).  = Sorry, I have=20 no way to accept credit cards.
 
 
----------------------------------------------------- 
 
Li-Ion Battery=20 for Thinkpad 76x/755cx --- $90
-Li-Ion Battery Pack II, Model = #29H9329=20 (29H9232)
-Works in 760/765/755cx Models
-Will include adapter for = TP755cx=20 model for $5 more

List price is $265 for this = drive.

Battery is=20 slightly used.  Still months left on one year warranty.

For = info of=20 this battery refer to:
http://w= ww.pc.ibm.com/us/products/catalog/3156_6fe.html
(Please=20 Note: The IBM page shows the wrong picture)

Price includes = Priority Mail=20 shipping and COD charges to US addresses.  Save
$5 if you prefer = to=20 prepay.
 
 
----------------------------------------------------- 
 
Packard Bell TopSight Color Video Camera -- = $95
-=20 Built-in microphone
- 768 x 582 Active Pixels (270,000 Total)
- 51 = x 39=20 Degree Field of View
- SNR: 48 dB
- CCD for sharp images in low = light=20 conditions
- Integrated lens (extreme close-up or infinity)
- = Automatic=20 white balance
- Electronic aperature control
- Select from = Positive or=20 Negative image
- NTSC output (300 TV lines)
- Standard RCA Video = Plug and=20 Walkman type for sound
- Dimensions: 3.3x2.4x3.3"=20 (WxHxD)
Includes:
- Camera
- Stand
- Power supply
- Box = and=20 Manual

This camera is OEMed by Creative Labs and Philips = also.  It=20 is about the
size of your fist and adjusts to any angle.  = Perfect for=20 setting atop your
monitor.

If you are interested, I will send = out a=20 gif of the camera.

Price includes Priority Mail shipping to US = addresses=20 and COD charges.  Save
$7 if you prepay.  Sorry, I have no = way to=20 accept credit cards. 

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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01BD7BFF.F1D9C660-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 20:51:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA239877887; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:51:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04095; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 20:47:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03910; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03890; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-149.usc.edu [128.125.227.149]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16050 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 17:46:53 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980510184845.00a1b980@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:48:50 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Solaris 2.6 vs Thinkpad 760CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Since I don't have the internal CD option for the 760CD I ended uo extracting my hard drive from its case, using a standard IDE to a microIDE adaptor to connect my drive to a standard PC/ISA/IDE controller, installing Solaris using a desktop PC & reinstalling my disk in its caddy. Solaris 2.6 runs just fine on my 760CD. But, I don't have a clue how to get it to recognize my external SCSI CDROM drive and SCSI HP Tape drive connected to Adaptec SlimSCSI PCMCIA card. Does anyone know how to do this? It is interesting to note Thinkpad 760CD video (as well as several other Thinkpad video configurations) are very explicitly supported by Solaris configuration program. Solaris appears to work quite well on my system. I would just like to be able to use it with external devices. Does anyone know of MWAVE support for Solaris? Thanks, Alexander J. Annala, PhD UCLA School of Medicine From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 22:18:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA279633115; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:18:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09471; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 22:15:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09005; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08982; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a6.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.6]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27166; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:15:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35565FA5.747D2AEF@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:17:09 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mortaud Pierryck Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Power management for NT References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't know if anyone replied to this, so here goes. You have to change the properties of the program so that members of the USERS group can access it. I think the default for most programs is to allow access from the ADMINISTRATORS group only. James Mortaud Pierryck wrote: > > Hi > > I have a thinkpad 560x, and I try to install the power management for > NT. > I downloaded fuelw32 from the ibm site, but I can run only it when my > user > is a member of administrator group. > How can I install it for any users ? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 22:21:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281363307; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:21:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10319; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 22:19:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09851; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09835; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id WAA10314; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:27:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 22:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Solaris 2.6 vs Thinkpad 760CD In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980510184845.00a1b980@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sunday, 10th May 1998, Alexander J. Annala wrote: > Solaris 2.6 runs just fine on my 760CD. But, I don't > have a clue how to get it to recognize my external SCSI > CDROM drive and SCSI HP Tape drive connected to Adaptec > SlimSCSI PCMCIA card. Does anyone know how to do this? Does Adaptec provide a Solaris driver? If not, if you do a reconfiguration boot with the SlimSCSI plugged in, does Solaris create an entry under /dev for the SlimSCSI? Once you have the SlimSCSI's /dev entry, you can update the /kernel/drv/.conf file and add the target IDs of your CD-ROM drive and tape drive; one more reconfiguration boot (with the drives plugged in and turned on) and they should both be accessible. > Does anyone know of MWAVE support for Solaris? I don't know one way or the other. Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 23:19:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA013476784; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:19:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16616; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 23:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16460; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16448; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a6.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.6]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06945; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:16:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35566DC6.A1DE535D@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:17:26 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 + Warp4 References: <199805100905.KAA020.14@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at Indelible Blue or Warpspeed Computers. James John Poltorak wrote: > > Where can I get a TP600 with Warp 4 pre-installed ? > > If I can't get one, is there any way to get one without Windows > pre-installed, at a discounted price, of course... > > -- > John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 10 23:26:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA015847198; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:26:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17247; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 10 May 1998 23:24:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17129; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17113; Sun, 10 May 1998 23:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a6.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.6]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08430 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 20:24:34 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35566FC4.BB7CF806@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:25:56 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [Fwd: some question re: thinkpad 535 and mwave] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------24B5EDB72CF19C4ACFE6AA6D" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------24B5EDB72CF19C4ACFE6AA6D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The message was sent using Netscape Mail. I'll send him a message asking that he turn off HTML mail when sending to the mailing list. James --------------24B5EDB72CF19C4ACFE6AA6D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17671 for ; Sat, 9 May 1998 14:14:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20422; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 9 May 1998 17:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20356; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20339; Sat, 9 May 1998 17:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad-535e (usr27-dialup56.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0ESP00B3IK34AR@PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 9 May 1998 21:09:09 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:05:25 -0400 From: "tc.alvarez" Subject: some question re: thinkpad 535 and mwave To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <000701bd7b8e$2fbe1200$b84937a6@thinkpad-535e> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200" Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I'm new to the Thinkpad list: I own a Thinkpad 535e which I purchased in Hong Kong some months ago. I would like to know if there are other users of this = machine as I would like to know if there are updated utility drivers in = English/Japanese for Windows 95/b that shows acutal percentage or time remaining of = battery capacity I have a general MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers = and sometimes it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the = web and I have 2 or 3 windows open. It is a very perceptible delay. I = have a PC Card modem a USR sportster which does not have the same = problem in the same machine. I run the mwave only at 28.8 is it normal?=20 thanks in advance!=20 carlos sibal ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01BD7B6C.A8AC7200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 I'm new to the Thinkpad list:
 
I=20 own a Thinkpad 535e which I purchased in Hong Kong
some months ago. I would like to know if there are other users = of this=20 machine as I would like to know if there are updated utility drivers in=20 English/Japanese
for=20 Windows 95/b that shows acutal percentage or time remaining of battery=20 capacity
 
I=20 have a general MWAVE question as well. I have the Mwave 2.5 drivers and=20 sometimes it seems delayed or stuck especially when I'm surfing the web = and I=20 have 2 or 3 windows open. It is a very perceptible delay. I have a PC = Card modem=20 a USR sportster which does not have the same problem in the same = machine. I run=20 the mwave only at 28.8 is it normal?
 
thanks in advance!
 
carlos sibal
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BAA20993; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20981; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19250; Sun, 10 May 1998 19:28:24 -1000 Message-Id: <000501bd7c9d$b4d96e20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Re: Solaris 2.6 vs Thinkpad 760CD Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:29:00 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Solaris 2.6 runs just fine on my 760CD. But, I don't >have a clue how to get it to recognize my external SCSI >CDROM drive and SCSI HP Tape drive connected to Adaptec >SlimSCSI PCMCIA card. Does anyone know how to do this? I don't know to what extent this applies to Solaris, but there are some files at IBM's web site concerning problems with some Thinkpads and some Adaptec SCSI cards. (Heaven forbid that the name synonymous with 'computers', and the name synonymous with 'SCSI adapter, would be 100% compatible!) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 03:18:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA125451100; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:18:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24910; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 03:15:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24560; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm01sm.pmm.mci.net (pm01sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24535; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad-535e (usr18-dialup20.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27033) with SMTP id <0ESS00D0B6S7B3@PM01SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 11 May 1998 07:14:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 03:10:51 -0400 From: "tc.alvarez" Subject: re: thinkpad 535e/ mwave questions To: THINKPAD MAILING LIST Message-Id: <000001bd7cab$ee9c1460$544737a6@thinkpad-535e> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for all the replies re: mwave. I certainly hope IBM can still improve its performance even just a bit with new drivers in the near future. As for now, I reinstalled the drivers and it feels a tad quicker overall but still far behind my pc card modem. sorry about the html-style e-mail message I have since changed my setting in Outlook 98 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 03:36:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA132142173; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:36:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26080; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 03:33:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25941; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25929; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA10250; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:31:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805110731.AAA10250@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "tc.alvarez" , "THINKPAD MAILING LIST" Date: Mon, 11 May 98 00:33:18 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: re: thinkpad 535e/ mwave questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 11 May 1998 03:10:51 -0400, tc.alvarez wrote: >Thanks for all the replies re: mwave. I certainly hope IBM can still improve >its performance even just a bit with new drivers in the near future. As for >now, I reinstalled the drivers and it feels a tad quicker overall but still >far behind my pc card modem. > Glad it worked. I have noticed myself that ironically, the PCMCIA or external modems seem to ALWAYS (or in most cases) be better than the internal one. When my 355C worked, the internal 2400 died, and I ended up using a 2400 PCMCIA, which was so much more reliable. The same goes for the Home & Away vs. the internal 19.2, even when stepped down to 14.4. There must be some reason why the internal one's aren't as good. >sorry about the html-style e-mail message I have since changed my setting in >Outlook 98 Thanks. Since I archive each message for all my folders, those attachments add up, plus, I can't read them anyways. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 03:36:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA132192173; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:36:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25752; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 03:30:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25555; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25541; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts15.loop.net (p29.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.254]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA10142; Mon, 11 May 1998 00:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805110728.AAA10142@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Alexander J. Annala" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 11 May 98 00:29:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Solaris 2.6 vs Thinkpad 760CD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Does anyone know of MWAVE support for Solaris? > I doubt that Solaris x86 has support for Mwave, but you might try contacting Sunsoft, because occasionally they might have an internal fix or program to let you use it, upon request. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, Slackware Linux, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 13:52:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA136679120; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:52:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26087; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 13:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25496; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25472; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-112.usc.edu [128.125.227.112]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA40610 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:41:12 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980511114247.00a1b878@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:42:52 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Sun/SunSoft/Solaris UNIX abandons support for notebook systems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:25:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: Norma Adamson >Reply-To: Norma Adamson I thought some of you might be interested in the following note from Sun Solaris UNIX technical support regarding the decision to abandon support for notebook systems. I would hope a third party developer (perhaps even college student or technical guru with some time on his hands might think about writing a third party driver for Adaptec SlimSCSI). The source code for the Linux and BSD versions of SlimSCSI driver are readily available on the network. It should be a relatively trivial matter to adapt these drivers to the Sun Solaris system. PCMCIA socket services are already implemented. There might even be a few bucks in spending a few nights implementing a driver for Adaptec SlimSCSI on notebook systems. Cheers, Alexander J. Annala UCLA School of Medicine p.s. Anyone interested in seeing Sun Solaris support for IBM Thinkpads might consider writing to: Norma.Adamson@East.Sun.COM with a request for Adaptec SlimSCSI support and indicating that at least some notebook users would be interested in a Sun Solaris product usable on notebook systems. >Subject: driver request: Adaptec SlimSCSI >To: annala@ucla.edu >Content-MD5: kvx+mC7I4XivILieJ29/qw== > >Thank you for your request for driver support. Unfortunately, >Engineering has informed us that there will be no further driver >development for notebook computers. > >SunSoft has indicated that further infomation explaining their >position regarding the suspension of laptop support will be >posted on access1.sun.com. > >Thank you, >Sun Microsystems Technical Support > >>------------------------------------------------------------ >>Name: Dr. Alexander J. Annala >>Email Address: annala@ucla.edu >>Solaris X86 Version: Solaris 2.6 >>Device Type: SCSI Host Adapter >>Device Manufacturer: Adaptec >>Device Name: SlimSCSI >> >>Comments: >>Do you have now -- or could you implement in the near >>future -- Solaris 2.6 support for Adaptec SlimSCSI >>adaptor -- and possibly SCSI CD-ROM and Tape Drives? >>------------------------------------------------------------ >Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:15:53 -0700 >To: Norma Adamson >From: "Alexander J. Annala" >Subject: Re: driver request: Adaptec SlimSCSI > >Dear Norma, > >This decision is indeed a pity. I was remotely involved with >SCO's decisionmaking regarding support for notebook computers. >Basically, whether or not notebooks were the primary target >market for delivery of UNIX system, SCO recognized that the >people who acquired and installed UNIX on notebook systems >were key decisionmakers (corporate executives, development >managers, and technical gurus) who would be making decisions >about which UNIX systems to deploy throughout their company. > >To totally abandon the notebook community is to put SCO in >the lead position for the personal systems of decisionmakers >who will likely select SCO's UNIX systems in preference to >SUN's Solaris systems due to their intrinsic familiarity with >SCO quality and their antipathy towards SUN's lack of support. > >You already support several notebook video systems. You have >implemented PCMCIA socket services. You already have 3C589x >networking support. Why not implement a SCSI driver to give >support for generic DAT tape and generic CD-ROM drives? This >would make your system usable on notebook systems. Without >at least a generic means of loading your software and making >system backups few decisionmakers are going to be impressed >with SUN's support for their needs. > >I suppose I could write these drivers if necessary. But, I'm >working on gene therapy for Fragile X mental retardation. I >have the skills to do driver development. My future, support, >and interests are now in the biomedical field. > >Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. >UCLA School of Medicine From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 14:38:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA162371900; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:38:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29330; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 14:36:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29238; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29226; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id OAA21620; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:44:18 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sun/SunSoft/Solaris UNIX abandons support for notebook systems In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980511114247.00a1b878@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, 11th May 1998, Alexander J. Annala wrote: > I would hope a third party developer (perhaps even college student or > technical guru with some time on his hands) might think about writing a > third party driver for Adaptec SlimSCSI. The source code for the Linux > and BSD versions of SlimSCSI driver are readily available on the network > ...There might even be a few bucks in spending a few nights implementing > a driver for Adaptec SlimSCSI on notebook systems. The readily available Linux/BSD source is covered by the GNU license, which means that any modifications done to support Solaris would also require readily available modified source, which wouldn't do much for that college student's bank account. Have you checked with Adaptec to see if they'll pick up the torch that SunSoft has dropped? Christian. P.S. Er, ThinkPad ThinkPad ThinkPad. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 14:59:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170893142; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:59:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00625; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 14:51:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00473; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00444; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IWWMDNKBF4971DRF@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:51:30 MST Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:50:33 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sun, 10 May 1998 10:33:54 -0600 (MDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IWWMVZ8PV0971DRF@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <000001bd7be0$cc2046c0$fc4e37a6@thinkpad-535e> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Often, when there is a problem with the Mwave modem, it is because the ISP > is using a particular brand and model of a digital portmaster... That'd be the Lucent (was Livingston) PM3 - they have software problems and I suggest using MNP instead of V.42 until they get it fixed, which by the way is taking many more _months_ than I ever thought it would... They are well aware of the problem(s) at least. > In our part of the world, it appears to be a problem between US West's > peculiar way of connecting T-1's and its channelized brothers The real problem here is USW charges like crazy for ISDN PRI lines so most USW-based ISPs bring in the lines via channelized T1s instead - better that than going broke paying the phone company. And if whoever has V.90 (56k) running you may need a few (like three or so) commas after the dialed number so you end holds off until after the two V.8 (56k negotiation tones) have passed. My MWave usually rolls through these ok, but not every time. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 16:34:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA224168840; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:34:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05727; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 16:23:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05601; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05582; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial19.waterw.com (dial19.waterw.com [209.107.20.34]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14572 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 16:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805112023.QAA14572@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:25:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: It's DEAD, Jim!!!! Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal References: "Message dated Sun, 10 May 1998 10:33:54 -0600 (MDT)" In-Reply-To: <01IWWMVZ8PV0971DRF@Opus1.COM> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, the bloom is off the rose with regard to my "new" Pentium 755CD. After spending a great deal of time wiping all of the previous owner's stuff off the HD and replacing it with my own (licensed) copies and getting it _just_ the way I wanted it, it's gone dead! No response either on battery or AC (not even a charging indication and it's not the power supply as it works with my other units) and I am loathe to open the case on a random search. Anyone have any positive thoughts they could send my way, such as "there's a small fuse inside you can replace in two minutes!". I wasn't doing anything special with it at the time of death, as a matter of fact I was editing an E-mail to the list about the fact that I had noticed that after more than about 1/2 hour of use the bottom of the case was almost too hot to comfortably rest in your lap. Could this be an indication of something going _very_ wrong with the unit or was this normal. I have several other 755s, although no other Pentium ones, and I've noticed that they all tend to get warm while in use although not to the extent of the one that died. Any clues from anyone as to how a request for warranty repair would be received >from IBM? While I'm not the original purchaser, the unit is less that 3 years old so it should still be under warranty. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 17:10:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244031027; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:10:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08497; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 17:08:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08370; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08358; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA29112; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:09:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: It's DEAD, Jim!!!! In-Reply-To: <199805112023.QAA14572@water.waterw.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, 11th May 1998, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > Any clues from anyone as to how a request for warranty repair would be > received from IBM? While I'm not the original purchaser, the unit is less > that 3 years old so it should still be under warranty. If it's within the first three years for a 700-series machine, IBM should cover it under EasyServe. (I wasn't the original owner of my 701C, but I'd sent mine in via EasyServe without any trouble when a problem appeared with one of the PC-Card slots.) Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 17:24:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252831845; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:24:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09225; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 17:22:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09144; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09110; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23109; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:22:30 -1000 Message-Id: <001601bd7d23$00790360$7d32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: It's DEAD, Jim!!!! Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:23:05 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I am loathe to open >the case on a random search. If there is the slightest chance that you are still covered, then under no circumstances should you think about opening the case. Call IBM, see what they say, and don't hesitate to send it in if you are covered. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 17:45:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA261843132; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:45:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10338; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 17:42:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10240; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10228; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02744; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: billy@MIX.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: <01IWWMVZ8PV0971DRF@Opus1.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You are correct on all points... except that the Livingston problem began at least early last August and is still not a reliable fix... and they won't give the money back on those ($17,000) units Of course Lucent or IBM could also put out a fix in software for the modem and they wont... Ray Bay On Mon, 11 May 1998 billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > Often, when there is a problem with the Mwave modem, it is because the ISP > > is using a particular brand and model of a digital portmaster... > > That'd be the Lucent (was Livingston) PM3 - they have software problems > and I suggest using MNP instead of V.42 until they get it fixed, which > by the way is taking many more _months_ than I ever thought it would... > They are well aware of the problem(s) at least. > > > In our part of the world, it appears to be a problem between US West's > > peculiar way of connecting T-1's and its channelized brothers > > The real problem here is USW charges like crazy for ISDN PRI lines so > most USW-based ISPs bring in the lines via channelized T1s instead - > better that than going broke paying the phone company. > > And if whoever has V.90 (56k) running you may need a few (like three or > so) commas after the dialed number so you end holds off until after the > two V.8 (56k negotiation tones) have passed. My MWave usually rolls > through these ok, but not every time. > > Billy Y.. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 17:48:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA263333302; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:48:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10846; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 17:46:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10751; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10707; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-023.usc.edu [128.125.227.23]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA37984 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:46:44 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980511154836.00a1bd98@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:48:43 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Thinkpad 750 clock losing track of time at power on Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hope you don't mind me asking but my Thinkpad keeps forgetting the date & time. Every start up it begins with error and asks for the date & time. I can't understand why it does this. I went into Norton Utiities DOS ans it said that the C-Mos battery was operational, I spose it could be lying. Have you any ideas where to go from here? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 17:58:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270133905; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:58:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11569; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 17:57:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11481; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11443; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id SAA11411; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:01:01 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750 clock losing track of time at power on In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980511154836.00a1bd98@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Monday, 11th May 1998, Alexander J. Annala wrote: > my Thinkpad keeps forgetting the date & time. Every start up it begins > with error and asks for the date & time...I went into Norton Utiities DOS > and it said that the C-Mos battery was operational, I suppose it could be > lying. Have you any ideas where to go from here? It seems to me like the utility is being deceived - it sounds as though the CMOS battery does need to be replaced. Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 18:25:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA282915545; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:25:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13113; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 18:24:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13006; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12991; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:24:10 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750 clock losing track of time at power on Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:30:00 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd7d2c$5582a420$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Open keyboard up . Remove Floppy and battery pack. To the left side of the case you should see 2 batteries. If not, there is an insulator cover that flips up. One battery will be obvious and consists of 3 cells . This is NOT the one you want (grin) The Backup battery is usually under a rectangular piece of plastic the might be held in place by a screw. Remove it and you should see a thick quarter sized battery. Pull it away from the circuit board i.e. unplug it. Measure the voltage. It should be 2.5 to 3.7 volts according to the HMM. If it's not replace it ..either Radio Shack by cross referencing the part number on the cell or talk to IBM parts. part # 84G2263. . The 3rd party route requires soldering the wires from the old onto the new. http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/;display/category?cgmenbr=1&cgrf nbr=608 shows a price of $6.50 ..peter Subject: Thinkpad 750 clock losing track of time at power on >Hope you don't mind me asking but my Thinkpad keeps forgetting the date & >time. Every start up it begins with error and asks for the date & time. >I can't understand why it does this. I went into Norton Utiities DOS ans it >said that the C-Mos battery was operational, I spose it could be lying. >Have you any ideas where to go from here? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 18:53:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA296577196; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:53:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14763; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 18:51:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14635; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14614; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IWWTMDYDOW9719F0@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 11 May 1998 15:51:54 MST Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 15:16:24 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: "Message dated Mon, 11 May 1998 15:42:31 -0600 (MDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IWWVA0RKY69719F0@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <01IWWMVZ8PV0971DRF@Opus1.COM> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Of course Lucent or IBM could also put out a fix in software for the modem > and they wont... IBM doesn't need to, the MWave is actually quite good about not producing protocol violations and even dealing with some of those in other modems, but this would be a bit much as the Lucent end just hangs and there is no for-sure way to get it going again >from the other end. For what it's worth the MWave is much better than many other modems with respect to this problem.. Lucent is trying to fix their code though - I've even loaned a modem (a Telebit) which can generate these errors at will - but so far they've yet to get it nailed down. Note well many other vendors' 56k firmware updates are hanging in limbo waiting on this very same thing. I know immense pressure has been applied (by friends of mine that own dozens of PM3s) but so far without any success. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 11 22:29:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109200161; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:29:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24163; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 11 May 1998 22:25:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23937; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23923; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA11651; Mon, 11 May 1998 20:25:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:25:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: billy@MIX.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: <01IWWVA0RKY69719F0@Opus1.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > from the other end. For what it's worth the MWave is much better > than many other modems with respect to this problem.. I don't agree, as most other modem manufacturers came out with software upgrades to deal with it... only a few (MWave among them) have not yet done so... The mwave difference is that they have a problem at 28.8 while most others are 56K with one 33.6 (Logicode) that I know of... I suspect that Mwave and lucent are waiting for the v.90 thing to settle in then they will send out one big upgrade... but only if they want to... > Lucent is trying to fix their code though - I've even loaned a > modem (a Telebit) which can generate these errors at will - but > so far they've yet to get it nailed down. Note well many other > vendors' 56k firmware updates are hanging in limbo waiting on > this very same thing. I know immense pressure has been applied > (by friends of mine that own dozens of PM3s) but so far without > any success. The problem most likely revolves around the astounding price of the equipment, and the fact that it can be fixed at the ISP level... who would want to recall a few pieces of $17,000 portmasters when it theory it can be fixed with brilliant ISP technicians or modem software upgrades... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 00:14:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA163456472; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:14:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28076; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 00:12:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27966; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27954; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial3.waterw.com (dial3.waterw.com [209.107.20.18]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA07731 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805120412.AAA07731@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:14:27 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: It's DEAD, Jim!!!! Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <001601bd7d23$00790360$7d32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I want to thank al of those who were kind enough to respond to my plea for help, both on the list and directly to me. I'll give Big Blue a call tomorrow and see if they'll honor the warranty. To Jane, and James B., I've both pushed the reset button AND dropped it (accidentally) from a low height onto a sofa. No va! Regards, James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 00:23:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA167316995; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:23:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28802; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 00:22:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28710; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28691; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts05.loop.net (p17.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.182]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA28183; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805120420.VAA28183@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "billy@MIX.COM" , "Kolob Technologies" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 11 May 98 21:17:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 11 May 1998 20:25:06 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: >> from the other end. For what it's worth the MWave is much better >> than many other modems with respect to this problem.. > >I don't agree, as most other modem manufacturers came out with software >upgrades to deal with it... only a few (MWave among them) have not yet done >so... The mwave difference is that they have a problem at 28.8 while most >others are 56K with one 33.6 (Logicode) that I know of... > >I suspect that Mwave and lucent are waiting for the v.90 thing to settle in >then they will send out one big upgrade... but only if they want to... > One question about modem upgrades, are these proprietary Windows programs that upgrade the modems, or something more generic and simplier? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 00:38:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175767880; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:38:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29437; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 00:36:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29361; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29347; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial3.waterw.com (dial3.waterw.com [209.107.20.18]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA08533; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805120436.AAA08533@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: James Mckenzie Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:38:26 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: It's ALIVE, Jim!!! Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3557CE32.20F8FD8D@theriver.com> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 11 May 98 at 21:21, James Mckenzie wrote: > Pop the keyboard open and remove the battery. My guess is that it has > gone the way of a shorted out NiMH battery should go and got very, very hot. > If this does not fix the problem, call IBM EZ-Serve. You might be lucky > and the system is under warrenty. Much praise upon you kinsman. A combination of removing the battery and pushing the reset button has restored my baby to her former vigah! I'll have to search through the other batteries I have for another functional one. Ahem, the following is an admittedly dumb question, but ignorance will not be forestalled. Do the switches on IBM batteries actually serve any useful function? On all of my other laptops they served only as an indicator of charge/nocharge and weren't actually connected to anything internally. Thanks again for all the assistance. James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 01:26:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA201650770; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:26:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00872; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 01:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00768; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00756; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (199.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA28614; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3557DE93.150FBED3@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:31:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Cc: James Mckenzie , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: It's ALIVE, Jim!!! References: <199805120436.AAA08533@water.waterw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James.. the switch turns the batery 'cpu' off, so it does not drain it when out of the machine.. James H. E. Maugham wrote: > On 11 May 98 at 21:21, James Mckenzie wrote: > > > Pop the keyboard open and remove the battery. My guess is that it has > > gone the way of a shorted out NiMH battery should go and got very, very hot. > > If this does not fix the problem, call IBM EZ-Serve. You might be lucky > > and the system is under warrenty. > > Much praise upon you kinsman. A combination of removing the battery and pushing > the reset button has restored my baby to her former vigah! > > I'll have to search through the other batteries I have for another functional > one. > > Ahem, the following is an admittedly dumb question, but ignorance will not be > forestalled. Do the switches on IBM batteries actually serve any useful > function? On all of my other laptops they served only as an indicator of > charge/nocharge and weren't actually connected to anything internally. > > Thanks again for all the assistance. > > James > > James H. E. Maugham, V.P. > Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project > http://www.libertynet.org/~share -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 01:28:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA202580913; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:28:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01182; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 01:27:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01056; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01043; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (199.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA28927; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3557DF2F.32D8189B@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:33:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 750 clock losing track of time at power on References: <3.0.32.19980511154836.00a1bd98@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sounds like the clock battery is dead.. i think its the larger one under the floppy.. Alexander J. Annala wrote: > Hope you don't mind me asking but my Thinkpad keeps forgetting the date & > time. Every start up it begins with error and asks for the date & time. > I can't understand why it does this. I went into Norton Utiities DOS ans it > said that the C-Mos battery was operational, I spose it could be lying. > Have you any ideas where to go from here? -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 12:41:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240831293; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:41:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00162; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29840; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29828; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 70.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.70]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA13508 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:36:12 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TPAll] IBM's screen savers? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 16:36:01 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <35613a9a.9913926@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was in the "personality" section of IBM's web site and downloaded two Thinkpad Screensavers. Neither of them will work, and both of them create and endless loop of error messages that require rebooting to get rid of. Anyone else tried these? Anyone had success? epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 13:01:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA250972482; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:01:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01222; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 12:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01128; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01115; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port3-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.200]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09219 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:54:12 -0500 Message-Id: <035601bd7dc6$83161120$c88b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: [TPAll] IBM's screen savers? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:53:37 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I was in the "personality" section of IBM's web site and downloaded >two Thinkpad Screensavers. Neither of them will work, and both of them >create and endless loop of error messages that require rebooting to >get rid of. Anyone else tried these? Anyone had success? > epbrown I have tried it also with the same results. Sad part about it is that these have been on IBM's web page for close to two years now and it still isn't fixed! Of course, I never e-mailed them about the problem but I thought that someone else might. Looks like now might be the time! Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 16:22:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA051244540; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:22:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12416; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 16:14:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12169; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12151; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA28808; Tue, 12 May 1998 10:14:32 -1000 Message-Id: <001c01bd7de2$a9d2fe60$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: [TPAll] IBM's screen savers? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:15:08 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I was in the "personality" section of IBM's web site and downloaded >two Thinkpad Screensavers. I haven't seen this section of the web site, but I have several screen savers that IBM gave me when I registered my 560: a couple of ad-like savers (think1.scr, think2.scr), and a snowboarder, a wrecking ball, etc. All work fine, none are remarkable. Give me Kung-Fu Coffee any time:-) BTW, if you *search* for 'personality' on the web site's search engine, you come up with some pretty weird stuff! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 16:50:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA065056228; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:50:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14341; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 16:48:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14188; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.royl.com (mail.royl.com [207.158.33.226]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14162; Tue, 12 May 1998 16:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [207.158.33.230] ) by mail.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Tue, 12 May 1998 13:50:57 PST8PDT Message-Id: <199805121350.5734471.7@mail.royl.com> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Lee Hetherington" Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:51:00 +0000 Reply-To: "Stephen Hosmer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: playing DVD movies on 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Be sure to load the MPEG features disk that came with the system. I didn't do this and could not get the sytems to work. THen I went back to start over and loaded the MPEG drivers, and have had no problem playing movies since. On Sat, 24 Jan 1998 14:39:15 -0500, Lee Hetherington wrote: >The DVD/CD-ROM for my 770 arrived yesterday. I went through all the >installation instructions, installing the new MPEG features, DVD Region >Code, and DVD Movie Program. However, I have been unable to get a DVD >movie to play. Currently, I'm borrowing the DVD Demonstration Disk from >my video store. This contains snippets from several movies. > >Has anyone else with a 770 had luck playing DVD movies? > >The only success I've had is playing snippets in so-called MPEG mode. >The DVD movie program, SoftDVD, has two modes: MPEG mode and DVD mode. >MPEG mode is for playing files as opposed to DVD disks. If I attempt to >play in DVD mode I get an error message saying that it can't find the >drive or there is no disk in the drive. However, if I go into MPEG >mode, I can open up the DVD disk (D:) and select .VOB files, and they >seem to play fine. Something sounds wrong. > >Has anyone had better luck? > >--Lee Hetherington > > ________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer (hosmer@royl.com) CFO To request a Public key send a message with "send Public key" as subject. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 17:24:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA082018299; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:24:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16169; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 17:23:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16053; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16034; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog ([12.70.38.189]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA17638; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:22:29 +0000 Message-Id: <3558BDAC.2116@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:22:52 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hosmer Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: playing DVD movies on 770 References: <199805121350.5734471.7@mail.royl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Did you select the drive as "F"? In the instructions. Also what region is your software? vs region of DVD disc? Birger From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 17:50:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA094679857; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:50:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17527; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 17:49:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17451; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from io.frii.com (io.frii.com [208.146.240.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17435; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jws@localhost) by io.frii.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04167 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from jws@frii.com) X-Authentication-Warning: io.frii.com: jws owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:49:28 -0600 (MDT) From: "John W. Schmidt" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking for a good rugged carrying case that's capable of holding both a 380XD and a large portable printer (HP 320 with sheet feeder -- requires a full 3" in height). I talked with a support person at Port, Inc., but she couldn't recommend one in their line that would hold both of these properly. Was she right? Or do you know of another case that would suit my needs? I had a case that worked with the printer and an older Toshiba laptop, but it's not a good fit with the additional height of the Thinkpad. Thanks for any input, John Schmidt jws@frii.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 18:06:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA103060769; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:06:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18270; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 18:05:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18164; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18149; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 187.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.187]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA20921 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:04:28 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: [TPAll] IBM's screen savers? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:04:18 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <3564c6b9.13201123@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <001c01bd7de2$a9d2fe60$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math> In-Reply-To: <001c01bd7de2$a9d2fe60$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 May 1998 10:15:08 -1000, you wrote: >I haven't seen this section of the web site, but I have several screen savers >that IBM gave me when I registered my 560: a couple of ad-like savers >(think1.scr, think2.scr), and a snowboarder, a wrecking ball, etc. All work >fine, none are remarkable. Give me Kung-Fu Coffee any time:-) It is think1.scr and think2.scr that were causing the problems. The error message indicates they require files I don't have. Glad they aren't anything remarkable, since I went ahead and deleted the little troublemakers. At least I got the 800x600 version of my favorite .bmp file! epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 21:11:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198001919; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:11:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25206; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 21:10:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25089; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25074; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA11939; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:10:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:10:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: "John W. Schmidt" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have one... it is made by Rhino... but with all the padding and protection, it is rather cumbersome... I found it much easier to take two smaller packets... then I acquired a backpack laptop case from IBM in fall of 1996... it enables you to carry both, well protected, very long distances... but It wasn't cheap... nearly $100 back then... which every company made it for them probably sells it elsewhere for less... best laptop transport I have ever found... even on a high roller business trip... can't think of the other company... but it starts with a T... Ray Bay > I'm looking for a good rugged carrying case that's capable of > holding both a 380XD and a large portable printer (HP 320 with > sheet feeder -- requires a full 3" in height). I talked with a > support person at Port, Inc., but she couldn't recommend one in > their line that would hold both of these properly. Was she right? Or > do you know of another case that would suit my needs? I had a case > that worked with the printer and an older Toshiba laptop, but it's not > a good fit with the additional height of the Thinkpad. > > Thanks for any input, > > John Schmidt > jws@frii.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 21:33:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA211613232; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:33:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26063; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 21:32:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25965; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25951; Tue, 12 May 1998 21:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA12696; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:32:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:32:34 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: Paul Khoury Cc: "billy@MIX.COM" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: <199805120420.VAA28183@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Proprietary... each modem manufacturer must (apparently) publish a software utility to fix the problems presented by the digital portmasters... I have tried to use one modem's update on another (Lucent Technologies which also made many IBM modems) and it didn't "take" and have never found a solution for mY 760ED Mwave's connection to the (now Lucent) digital portmaster... although my ISP also has an analog connection for which my IBM has no problems. There are even variations in a given line of modems... different modems require different upgrade software. > One question about modem upgrades, are these proprietary Windows > programs that upgrade the modems, > or something more generic and simplier? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 22:48:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA248357683; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:48:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28527; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 22:45:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28431; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28415; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01IWYHQC6H0M9BYIBJ@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:45:46 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [198.60.132.11]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA11458 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:45:42 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27826; Tue, 12 May 1998 19:45:40 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:45:40 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: Re: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-Id: <9805130245.AA27826@aztec.asu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I have one... it is made by Rhino... but with all the padding and >protection, it is rather cumbersome... I found it much easier to take two >smaller packets... then I acquired a backpack laptop case from IBM in fall of >1996... it enables you to carry both, well protected, very long distances... >but It wasn't cheap... nearly $100 back then... which every company made it >for them probably sells it elsewhere for less... best laptop transport I have >ever found... even on a high roller business trip... can't think of the other >company... but it starts with a T... TARGUS From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 23:44:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA276971041; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:44:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00761; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 23:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00651; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bnllc2.blue.net (www.cruciblemagnetics.com [206.65.217.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00638; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from logantele.com.blue.net (logan141.blue.net [208.194.235.141]) by bnllc2.blue.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02587 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 22:42:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805130342.WAA02587@bnllc2.blue.net> From: "Les Morey" To: Subject: 755CV/CDV Questions Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 22:24:14 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey all, after lusting after one for a long time, I finally managed to get a TP 755CV--BUT it doesn't have an owner's manual, so I have a bunch of questions about it. Anyone out there have one of these that I can ask some questions via email? (The whole list probably doesn't need to hear about my struggles with the OH harness!) L. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 12 23:57:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA282321876; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:57:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01587; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 12 May 1998 23:56:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01435; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01420; Tue, 12 May 1998 23:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA01532; Tue, 12 May 1998 17:56:08 -1000 Message-Id: <002f01bd7e23$264bd120$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: [TPAll] IBM's screen savers? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 17:56:44 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > It is think1.scr and think2.scr that were causing the problems. The >error message indicates they require files I don't have. Well, in case it was the screen savers themselves, I've posted my (working) copies as http://kahuna.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/Think1.scr and http://kahuna.math.hawaii.edu/~ross/Think2.scr . I think they will require fewer support files if you just run them (e.g., click on think1.scr in explorer) rather than try to use the screen saver preview facility in W95 screen properties. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 00:12:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA290142741; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:12:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03077; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 00:11:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02986; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (mailhost.micronet.net [206.96.52.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02973; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (206.96.52.91) by micronet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Tue, 12 May 1998 20:10:16 -0800 Message-Id: <35591A35.7A62CA42@micronet.net> Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 19:57:41 -0800 From: Calvin White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just purchased a 701c from IBM for light word processing and database entry at remote locations. It's not meant as a desktop replacement, so I can handle the slow processor. I'm aware that the built in modem is rather slow, and sometimes unreliable (stops working). Are there any other problem areas I should pay attention to? The screen is an obvious area I'll pay close attention to, but what about the rest of the unit? Anyone ever have any problems w/ the Butterfly keyboard? I assume it should move smoothly? The unit hasn't arrived yet, but IBM gives seven day money back guarantee, so I'd like to go over it w/ a fine tooth comb when it arrives. I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any suggestions? I'm also in the market for an extremely small hardcover case, preferably the aluminum sided type. Plastic would work fine too. Any suggestions, I haven't seen any that are very slim/small. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 00:50:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA009685051; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:50:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04917; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 00:49:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04812; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04800; Wed, 13 May 1998 00:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01763; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:48:41 -1000 Message-Id: <003f01bd7e2a$7e263000$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Calvin White" , Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:49:16 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm aware that the built in modem is rather slow, and >sometimes unreliable (stops working). This seemed to vary from unit to unit. On the machines I had the modem was always great, but others seemed to be pretty impossible. One thing to note is that the default configuration is wrong for virtually all service providers. I think you need to add F1 to your login string. >rest of the unit? Anyone ever have any problems w/ the >Butterfly keyboard? I assume it should move smoothly? The I loved mine; others hated theirs. Don't expect a short, light throw, and don't pick the thing up by its wings:-) . > I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any >suggestions? There are some documents online (at the IBM web site) about upgrading this machine to W95. The most important thing is, make sure you have the latest version of the BIOS > I'm also in the market for an extremely small hardcover >case, preferably the aluminum sided type. Plastic would >work fine too. Any suggestions, I haven't seen any that are >very slim/small. Zero Halliburton makes a very small briefcase (*not* a computer case) that would be perfect for this beast. You'll need to get some high-density foam >from a good camera store. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 01:09:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA019476166; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:09:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05921; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 01:08:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05779; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05765; Wed, 13 May 1998 01:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog ([12.70.38.176]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA21073; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:07:25 +0000 Message-Id: <35592AA4.931@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 01:07:48 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hosmer , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: playing DVD movies on 770 References: <199805121350.5734471.7@mail.royl.com> <3558BDAC.2116@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Birger Petterson wrote: > > Did you select the drive as "F"? In the instructions. > Also what region is your software? vs region of DVD disc? On my 770 1AU with 5.1 gig drive with three sections C,D,and E the DVD and CD drive are on F. Birger From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 02:38:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA063681509; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:38:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08159; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 02:36:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08075; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08063; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (172.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.172]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA04921; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355940ED.19F3BDC6@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:42:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "John W. Schmidt" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John.. I have a leather and mahogony case with space for a portable printer, notebook, etc. it is quite nice, but i have never required its use.. i prefer something smaller for the few times a take whatever thinkpad i have at the time, anyplace.. :-) If you have an interest, i'll e-mail you a picture.. John W. Schmidt wrote: > I'm looking for a good rugged carrying case that's capable of > holding both a 380XD and a large portable printer (HP 320 with > sheet feeder -- requires a full 3" in height). I talked with a > support person at Port, Inc., but she couldn't recommend one in > their line that would hold both of these properly. Was she right? Or > do you know of another case that would suit my needs? I had a case > that worked with the printer and an older Toshiba laptop, but it's not > a good fit with the additional height of the Thinkpad. > > Thanks for any input, > > John Schmidt > jws@frii.com -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 02:40:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064381629; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:40:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08585; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 02:39:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08492; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08462; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (172.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.172]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA20532; Wed, 13 May 1998 02:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3559417F.A6A461D@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 02:45:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Kolob Technologies Cc: "John W. Schmidt" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Targus..?? Kolob Technologies wrote: > I have one... it is made by Rhino... but with all the padding and > **snip** > company... but it starts with a T... > > Ray Bay > > > I'm looking for a good rugged carrying case that's capable of > > holding both a 380XD and a large portable printer (HP 320 with > > sheet feeder -- requires a full 3" in height). I talked with a > > support person at Port, Inc., but she couldn't recommend one in > > their line that would hold both of these properly. Was she right? Or > > do you know of another case that would suit my needs? I had a case > > that worked with the printer and an older Toshiba laptop, but it's not > > a good fit with the additional height of the Thinkpad. > > > > Thanks for any input, > > > > John Schmidt > > jws@frii.com > > > > -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 08:25:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA217402353; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:25:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26784; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26631; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from venus.teamquest.com (venus.teamquest.com [199.120.249.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26619; Wed, 13 May 1998 08:23:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (smtpgtwy.teamquest.com [199.120.249.99]) by venus.teamquest.com (8.6.9/8.6.11) with SMTP id HAA26447 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:23:17 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtpgtwy.teamquest.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02) id AA895062157; Wed, 13 May 98 07:22:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9805138950.AA895062157@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R6.00.02 Date: Wed, 13 May 98 07:23:14 -0600 To: Subject: TP760CD and OfficeJet-won't print. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone had any experience trying to get an OfficeJet500 working on a TP760CD? Seems that it simply will not print. Have called HP and they say we need to increase our I/O Range under ControlPanel/System/Devices/Ports/ECP LPT1/Resources, but we haven't been able to increase that through Win95, except when unchecking the Automatic box in there and selecting another range. Still, though, the range is the same size and cannot be increased. HP swears this is the problem, and we just need to figure out how to increase it. Has anyone else run across this before? They say to increase the current 03bc-03bf range somehow. We just get "Resource cannot be changed" or something like that when we do it. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 09:11:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238625096; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:11:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29113; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 09:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28967; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialip.sdn.dk (dialip.sdn.dk [147.29.40.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28942; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:09:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from notessrv.dlr.dk by dialip.sdn.dk (8.7.6/4.03) id NAA43842; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:09:24 GMT Received: by notessrv.dlr.dk(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 41256603.004DDC23 ; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:10:26 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: DLR To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <41256603.004A0F09.00@notessrv.dlr.dk> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:10:24 +0100 Subject: TP/770 and a gameport or USB Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi' I need a gameport for my 770, so I can use a Thrustmaster pedals/steeringwheel. I have a MICRO PC Card(manufactured by IBM) 16 bit Audio Adapter(p/n 10h8867) whit a gameport, but I can't find any drivers and I'm afraid I takes too many resources and disables the built in audio. I rather use a USB port, but I can't find anything about it. Is there a way to make it work?. Nicolai Madsen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 12:40:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA044617621; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:40:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11344; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 12:38:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11236; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10951; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA24512 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 13 May 1998 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 09:33:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199805131633.JAA24512@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 displays Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone compared the 14.1" to the 13.3" displays on the 770? Obviously the 14.1" is bigger, but is it also brighter? Does the extra 0.8" really make much difference? Also, is it true that the 770 doesn't cache memory regions above the first 64 meg, because of chipset limitations? That's a terrible bug if it's true. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 12:51:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049348281; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12216; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 12:49:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12129; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12117; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17440 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05982; Wed, 13 May 98 12:51:12 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA20636 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? In-Reply-To: <003f01bd7e2a$7e263000$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 May 1998, David Ross wrote: > > I'm aware that the built in modem is rather slow, and > >sometimes unreliable (stops working). > > This seemed to vary from unit to unit. On the machines I had the modem was > always great, but others seemed to be pretty impossible. One thing to note > is that the default configuration is wrong for virtually all service > providers. I think you need to add F1 to your login string. ATF1 just resets the modem to the factory defaul settings stored in ROM. It'll undo everything else on the string so it's not something you want "add." :-) Many people who have had problems with the modem have gotten it to work by switching the error detection/correction from LAPM to MNP5. I don't remember the AT string to do that, but the unit should come with a nice manual for the modem which should describe all the AT commands. The modem is advertised as 14.4, but it also supports the 19.2 v.terbo semi-standard, which most modems support. > >rest of the unit? Anyone ever have any problems w/ the > >Butterfly keyboard? I assume it should move smoothly? The > > I loved mine; others hated theirs. Don't expect a short, light throw, and > don't pick the thing up by its wings:-) Don't pick it up by the keyboard. Also, the right side of the keyboard slides out of the back right side. The plastic at that end is very thin - it's just cosmetic. If you pick it up while it's open with your right hand, do not pick it up there or it will crack. Also, a lot of people have reported a crack on the right side of the lid, spaced about midway between front and back with the lid closed. Usually people get this from sending in their machines to EZ Serv. My guess is some part of the assembly/disassembly process requires them to put pressure on this point and is causing the crack. You might want to check to make sure yours isn't cracked there since you said it's a refurb. Try shaking the unit from side to side while it is on. I've had some problems with the battery jiggling loose during transport, causing loss of power and data. Hope you got the NiMH battery and not the NiCd. The difference is about 2.5 hours vs. 1.5 hours of battery life. Try plugging headphones into the jack on the side. I've gone through three boards via EZ Serv trying to get rid of the annoying static but never got rid of it. Strangely, if I plug the headphones into the jack on the port replicator, I get no static. > > I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any > >suggestions? > > There are some documents online (at the IBM web site) about upgrading this > machine to W95. The most important thing is, make sure you have the latest > version of the BIOS It will run hot with W95. Win95 doesn't seem to use the halt command built into all modern processors. OS/2 and Linux use it and the unit runs remarkably cool with them. Dunno about NT. If you use it on your lap, I'd recommend you get: > > I'm also in the market for an extremely small hardcover > >case, preferably the aluminum sided type. Plastic would > >work fine too. Any suggestions, I haven't seen any that are > >very slim/small. The company that makes the carrying cases IBM sells for its Thinkpads also makes a wrapper specifically for the 701. It doesn't protect the sides, but it wraps around the top, back, and bottom, with a velcro flap (which doubles as a wrist rest when open) that completes the wrap when closed. There's a sturdy plastic plate in the top and bottom, as well as a fair amount of padding. I used to keep mine velcroed to my 701, but have quit using it since I rarely travel with it anymore. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 13:19:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA065209941; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:19:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13680; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 13:12:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13554; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13535; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moab.demon.co.uk ([158.152.127.170]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1012617; 13 May 98 17:05 GMT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:05:31 +0100 To: emr@teamquest.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: TP760CD and OfficeJet-won't print. In-Reply-To: <9805138950.AA895062157@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In message <9805138950.AA895062157@smtpgtwy.teamquest.com>, emr@teamquest.com writes > > Has anyone had any experience trying to get an OfficeJet500 working on > a TP760CD? Seems that it simply will not print. Have called HP and > they say we need to increase our I/O Range under > ControlPanel/System/Devices/Ports/ECP LPT1/Resources, snip I don't have any experience with that printer. However, my 760CD doesn't like ECP. I can't recall the precise problems but I reverted to bi-directional and printing then seemed OK - HP LJ4, LJ4+ and LJ4000. -- Greg From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 13:46:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079001563; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:46:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16172; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 13:43:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15928; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15909; Wed, 13 May 1998 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA01501; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:41:06 -0500 Message-Id: <3559DBE2.5D2A0EB7@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.252]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 13 May 1998 17:43:25 UT Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 12:44:03 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu subscribe thinkpad From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 14:36:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA104294582; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:36:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18660; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 14:24:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18517; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cbis.ece.drexel.edu (root@cbis.ece.drexel.edu [144.118.32.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20565; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bhasin.ibmus2.ibm.com (gate12.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.56]) by cbis.ece.drexel.edu (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA29747 for ; Tue, 12 May 1998 18:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805122251.SAA29747@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> X-Sender: sanjay@ece.drexel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:47:18 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Sanjay Bhasin Subject: 3 GB drive for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FOR SALE: 3 GB Drive for Thinkpad Available immediately. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 14:50:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110345404; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:50:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20019; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19911; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19898; Wed, 13 May 1998 14:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wynachen (slip166-72-15-131.ct.us.ibm.net [166.72.15.131]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA276478 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:46:07 GMT Message-Id: <199805131846.SAA276478@out4.ibm.net> X-Sender: wcachen@pop4.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 14:44:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Wyn Achenbaum Subject: Parallel Port Problems on 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My less-than-year-old TP560's parallel port doesn't seem to be working. I can' t print, I can't use a zip drive or the cd-rom. Any thoughts of what I can do? I assume it's still under warranty; I just haven't dug out phone numbers or website information. Wyn Achenbaum From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 15:43:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA138528625; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:43:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23459; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 15:40:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23336; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23262; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts15.loop.net (p22.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.247]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11069; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805131937.MAA11069@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "epbrown@enteract.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 13 May 98 12:39:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPAll] IBM's screen savers? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 May 1998 16:36:01 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote: > I was in the "personality" section of IBM's web site and downloaded >two Thinkpad Screensavers. Neither of them will work, and both of them >create and endless loop of error messages that require rebooting to >get rid of. Anyone else tried these? Anyone had success? > Maybe the *.scr files were originally meant for Windows 3.1x. I do like the backgrounds they have there (as one of them is my background right now). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 16:24:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA159131043; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:24:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25795; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 16:16:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25637; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25625; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26319; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:15:35 -0400 (EDT) From: rj Reply-To: rj To: Calvin White Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? In-Reply-To: <35591A35.7A62CA42@micronet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 May 1998, Calvin White wrote: > I just purchased a 701c from IBM for light word > processing and database entry at remote locations. It's not > meant as a desktop replacement, so I can handle the slow > processor. > > I'm aware that the built in modem is rather slow, and > sometimes unreliable (stops working). Are there any other > problem areas I should pay attention to? The screen is an > obvious area I'll pay close attention to, but what about the > rest of the unit? Anyone ever have any problems w/ the > Butterfly keyboard? I assume it should move smoothly? The > unit hasn't arrived yet, but IBM gives seven day money back > guarantee, so I'd like to go over it w/ a fine tooth comb > when it s. I know there are several folks on the list that have had problems with the internal modem, but for me it has worked better than any other modem I've used (PCMCIA anyway). When the others don't connedt or drop the internal keeps on trucking; case in point I d/l'ed NT4.0 service pack 3 from the net, all 40 MB, with the exception of one burp it worked ok but took around 8hr. > > I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any > suggestions? ;fsdajlksdsdf If what you say is what you will be doing I would suggest you stay with Win3.11/DOS. I've installed NT4.0 on my 701 and it run quite well but to do so you need to max out RAM (40 MB) otherwise the HDD will thrash endlessly. I went with NT because I have clients that run with NT and I need to be compatable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 16:56:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174832979; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:56:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28437; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 16:53:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28215; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28191; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05066; Wed, 13 May 1998 10:52:50 -1000 Message-Id: <002e01bd7eb1$2e291f40$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:53:26 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: >> is that the default configuration is wrong for virtually all service >> providers. I think you need to add F1 to your login string. John Kim wrote: > >ATF1 just resets the modem to the factory defaul settings stored >in ROM. It'll undo everything else on the string so it's not >something you want "add." :-) Maybe I meant F2 - whichever is the first built-in configuration *after* the default one. (Been a while since I had these machines.) Put it first before other commands, of course. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 17:03:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180713437; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:03:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28907; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 16:58:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28822; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28802; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA13346 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09349; Wed, 13 May 98 17:00:12 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA22004 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:00:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 17:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? In-Reply-To: <002e01bd7eb1$2e291f40$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 May 1998, David Ross wrote: > I wrote: > >> is that the default configuration is wrong for virtually all service > >> providers. I think you need to add F1 to your login string. > > John Kim wrote: > > > >ATF1 just resets the modem to the factory defaul settings stored > >in ROM. It'll undo everything else on the string so it's not > >something you want "add." :-) > > Maybe I meant F2 - whichever is the first built-in configuration *after* the > default one. (Been a while since I had these machines.) Put it first before > other commands, of course. Maybe you meant F1. Now that I think about it, I think the command to reset the factory defaults is AT&F1. Doh. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 17:05:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA181313499; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:04:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29223; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 17:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29078; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (rheoserver.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29056; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (128.119.71.47) by rheoserver.pse.umass.edu (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:05:22 -0400 Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD7E90.80E76280@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:59:33 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD7E90.80E76280@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:59:32 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Butterfliers, >> I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any >> suggestions? ;fsdajlksdsdf > >If what you say is what you will be doing I would suggest you stay >with Win3.11/DOS. There is no reason not to install Windows95, it works like a charm and supports all of the Laptop-specific features. Win3.11 and DOS sounds downright cruel... W95 is workable with 8MB if absolutely necessary, works nicely with 16MB, but for $90 you get a 32MB upgrade nowadays. sigh. > I've installed NT4.0 on my 701 and it run quite well >but to do so you need to max out RAM (40 MB) otherwise the HDD will >thrash endlessly. I went with NT because I have clients that run with >NT and I need to be compatable. axel From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 17:10:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184503802; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:10:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29636; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 17:03:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29524; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29502; Wed, 13 May 1998 17:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA05131; Wed, 13 May 1998 11:03:16 -1000 Message-Id: <003801bd7eb2$a2d21f80$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , "Wyn Achenbaum" Subject: Re: Parallel Port Problems on 560 Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:03:52 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >My less-than-year-old TP560's parallel port doesn't seem to be working. We need more information: (1) Was it working before, and it suddenly stopped? If so, tell us everything that happened between the 'working' and 'not working' conditions (e.g., did you install any new software - no matter how irrelevant-seemig - or hardware?) (2) What OS? (If W95, there are lots of innocuous things that could cause this.) (3) What have you tried already? David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 18:44:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231219451; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:44:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04132; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 18:42:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04038; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04025; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip129-37-106-229.wa.us.ibm.net by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA07662; Wed, 13 May 98 18:41:59 EDT Message-Id: <3559E5D7.C5A59217@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 11:26:31 -0700 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 displays References: <199805131633.JAA24512@netcom8.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For the past 4 months I used a 770 with a 14.1" LCD. I recently switched to a 600 with a 13.3" LCD. Both were 1024x768x16bpp. I do not notice the difference at all. They both seem equally bright, and I don't think 0.8" is noticeable, at least at that resolution. (I even thought 1024x768 was usable at 12.1" on a 760E, although the new displays are a lot brighter, perhaps with better contrast.) Basically, I think IBM's 14.1 and 13.3 are in the very same league. The 14.1 makes for an even larger 770 brick to carry around. If I were buying a 770, I would buy a 13.3" unless 14.1" offered 1280x1024. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 13 21:05:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA002757899; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:04:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09279; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 13 May 1998 21:02:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09116; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09100; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IWZUIZ1URYAM4M9J@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 May 1998 19:02:29 MST Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 19:02:28 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: 701cs Display getting old and dingy. To: ThinkPad Mailing List Reply-To: slppj@cc.usu.edu Message-Id: <355A42A4.D07DE9F0@usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While we're on the topic of 701s... I have a 701cs and I'd swear that as it get's older the display seems to get dimmer. I don't recall having much to complain about my DSTN display when I first got the computer (except outdoors), but now it seems very dim to me even indoors. It almost seems to have a dim brownish tint to it. I have been very careful when cleaning it. I never use windex since that has amonia and would supposedly yellow an LCD display over time. I understand that the old 755s that had the removable display that could be used on overhead projectors used to turn brownish from the heat. Has anyone else noticed this phenomenon on their 701cs. I wish now that I had gotten the 701c. I also lose my mouse cursor whenever I use any of the Fn key combos that put one of those setting indicators on the display. Didn't have this problem before with win95a until I used the updated chips and tech. drivers. But win95b must have those new drivers because my mouse disappears and seems to be taking longer and longer to come back. I notice that the cursor disappears less often if I have it over a white area before I use the Fn key combos. Anyone else experiencing either of these problems? Maybe I'm just getting to accustomed to looking at my nice 21 inch monitor. -Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 02:03:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA155145790; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:03:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18976; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18789; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18732; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts15.loop.net (p14.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24744; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805140554.WAA24744@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John W. Schmidt" , "Kolob Technologies" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 13 May 98 13:36:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 May 1998 19:10:02 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: >I have one... it is made by Rhino... but with all the padding and >protection, it is rather cumbersome... I found it much easier to take two >smaller packets... then I acquired a backpack laptop case from IBM in fall of >1996... it enables you to carry both, well protected, very long distances... >but It wasn't cheap... nearly $100 back then... which every company made it >for them probably sells it elsewhere for less... best laptop transport I have >ever found... even on a high roller business trip... can't think of the other >company... but it starts with a T... > Targus. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 02:04:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156005841; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:04:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18980; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18754; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18697; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts15.loop.net (p14.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24715; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805140554.WAA24715@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Calvin White" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 13 May 98 13:31:31 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm aware that the built in modem is rather slow, and >sometimes unreliable (stops working). And it's still that way after being on my second modem (internal). Are there any other >problem areas I should pay attention to? The screen is an >obvious area I'll pay close attention to, but what about the >rest of the unit? Anyone ever have any problems w/ the >Butterfly keyboard? I assume it should move smoothly? Maybe at first, but I don't like it. Mine has trouble moving on it's own, and the TrackPoint is non-functional. The >unit hasn't arrived yet, but IBM gives seven day money back >guarantee, so I'd like to go over it w/ a fine tooth comb >when it arrives. > > I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any >suggestions? > Yeah, you'll need a PCMCIA CD-ROM with NT 4.0 drivers to install it, and you should have 24-40MB of RAM. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 02:04:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156195858; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:04:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18982; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18717; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18688; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts15.loop.net (p14.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24730; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805140554.WAA24730@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 13 May 98 13:35:24 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Try plugging headphones into the jack on the side. I've gone >through three boards via EZ Serv trying to get rid of the >annoying static but never got rid of it. Strangely, if I plug >the headphones into the jack on the port replicator, I get no >static. > And also to make sure the jack still works. The problem with using that on the Multiport II is that you have no hardware volume control. >> > I plan to install Win95, possibly NT4 -- any >> >suggestions? >> >> There are some documents online (at the IBM web site) about upgrading this >> machine to W95. The most important thing is, make sure you have the latest >> version of the BIOS > >It will run hot with W95. Win95 doesn't seem to use the halt >command built into all modern processors. OS/2 and Linux use it >and the unit runs remarkably cool with them. Dunno about NT. >If you use it on your lap, I'd recommend you get: > Would DOS and NT run the same (being hot)? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 02:09:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157736153; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:09:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19204; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 01:58:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19122; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19054; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts15.loop.net (p14.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA24783; Wed, 13 May 1998 22:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805140554.WAA24783@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kolob Technologies" Cc: "billy@MIX.COM" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 13 May 98 13:37:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 12 May 1998 19:32:34 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: >Proprietary... So this means that someone without Windows cannot upgrade their modem? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 02:27:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA165357278; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:27:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20859; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 02:26:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20777; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20722; Thu, 14 May 1998 02:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts15.loop.net (p14.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA28698; Wed, 13 May 1998 23:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805140625.XAA28698@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "slppj@cc.usu.edu" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Wed, 13 May 98 23:25:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701cs Display getting old and dingy. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 13 May 1998 19:02:28 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >While we're on the topic of 701s... I have a 701cs and I'd swear that >as it get's older the display seems to get dimmer. I don't recall >having much to complain about my DSTN display when I first got the >computer (except outdoors), but now it seems very dim to me even >indoors. It almost seems to have a dim brownish tint to it. I have >been very careful when cleaning it. I never use windex since that has >amonia and would supposedly yellow an LCD display over time. Hmmm, I just cleaned the whole exterior of the machine with Windex this evening, and I never have problems. Yet, I rarely clean my LCD's with Windex, usually just a dry cloth. I >understand that the old 755s that had the removable display that could >be used on overhead projectors used to turn brownish from the heat. Has >anyone else noticed this phenomenon on their 701cs. I wish now that I >had gotten the 701c. Hey, doesn't everyone? Active matrix is really nice, and I wish now I could just pluck the TFT LCD off my SPARCbook and put it on the ThinkPad (except that it's 800*600). >Anyone else experiencing either of these problems? Maybe I'm just >getting to accustomed to looking at my nice 21 inch monitor. Well, you're lucky. My biggest monitor is the LCD I'm looking at. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 03:05:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA182989549; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:05:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22583; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 03:03:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22291; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22279; Thu, 14 May 1998 03:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA08178; Wed, 13 May 1998 21:02:52 -1000 Message-Id: <000801bd7f06$6876f640$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "John W. Schmidt" , "Kolob Technologies" Cc: Subject: Re: Case for 380XD/HP 320 printer Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 21:03:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [snip >>smaller packets... then I acquired a backpack laptop case from IBM in fall of >>1996... it enables you to carry both, well protected, very long distances... >>but It wasn't cheap... nearly $100 back then... which every company made it >>for them probably sells it elsewhere for less... best laptop transport I have >>ever found... even on a high roller business trip... can't think of the other >>company... but it starts with a T... >> >Targus. Unlikely - Targus cases are at best adequate. Most of the IBM cases were made by Port. If it was a very good case, and the company started with a 'T', then I would guess Tumi. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 05:05:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA236796717; Thu, 14 May 1998 05:05:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26500; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 04:58:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26417; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26405; Thu, 14 May 1998 04:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (inri.co.uk) [158.152.21.88] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yZtqU-0005eA-00; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:58:34 +0100 Received: from aladdin [192.9.200.188] by inri.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b6.32-R) for ; Thu, 14 May 98 09:14:28 +0100 Sender: pjb@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <355AA988.6C9D@inri.co.uk> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:21:28 +0000 From: Pete Backhouse Organization: International Research Institute (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 06:14:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266550881; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:14:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04749; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04667; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (mailhost.micronet.net [206.96.52.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04655; Thu, 14 May 1998 06:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (206.96.52.85) by micronet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Thu, 14 May 1998 02:09:03 -0800 Message-Id: <355ABFBF.650EFB1E@micronet.net> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:56:15 -0800 From: Calvin White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks for all the replies, both private and mailing list. Everyone has provided new insights, opinions, & options on the 701. I'm looking forward to receiving the machine. If there's anything else you can think of in terms of hardware related problems, please let me know. I'm not too concerned about the software OS side, I don't anticipate any problems. My main concern is that whatever was in need of "refurbishment" has actually been fully fixed. OK, things to check for: 1. Screen conditio; possible cracks on back of lid. 2. Sound quality from headphone jack & multiport adapter. 3. Internal modem function and connection. 4. Keyboard & trackpoint function. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 09:54:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA061814063; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:54:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12358; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 09:49:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12192; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12168; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA20500; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:52:19 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11066; Thu, 14 May 98 14:43:54 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 15:46:58 +0000 To: Subject: New 755C user and some questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 116e" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu =20 =20 =20 Hi - just to introduce myself to the list=2E I've got a 755C on which=20= I=20 either run Linux (Redhat 5=2E0) or Windoze 3=2E1 if I'm desperate=2E =20 I've got a few questions though: =20 - I have a PCMCIA 589 ethernet card which works under Linux except if=20 I unplug the 'AUI' adaptor then reconnect it later=2E Sometimes it com= es=20 back after a long time=2E Any ideas? =20 - I have a DOCK 1=2E I'd like a CURRENT part number for the external=20 SCSI lead=2E Does anyone else use the DOCK 1 with linux and use the SC= SI=20 for either CDROM or harddrive? Does it work straight away or are there= =20 config issues such as interrupt settings? What about hot plugging?=20 Presumably the internal SCSI lead is a fairly standard 50-way job=2E =20 - I'd like to set up the sound driver under linux=2E If you've done th= is=20 please share it with me, to save me time=2E =20 - Any help getting LILO to stay working would be appreciated - I have=20 to boot via a floppy at the moment=2E =20 - Memory expansion - I currently have 8MB, I understand I can either=20 replace the 4MB card under the floppy with a 16, or get an adaptor -=20 can you use standard SIMMs or DIMMs with the adaptor, and is the=20 adaptor still available? =20 All in all I'm quite pleased with it now it's set up OK=2E X windows=20 runs quite well=2E =20 - Adam ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 Harston Cambridge =20 CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 10:10:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070105020; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:10:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12953; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 10:02:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12864; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from custsrv1.vitts.com (custsrv1.vitts.com [208.7.161.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12851; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com ([208.7.172.8]) by custsrv1.vitts.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-49776U700L100S0) with SMTP id AAA1200; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:02:25 -0400 Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for www.summa4.com [208.7.161.33]) with SMTP; 14 May 1998 14:02:25 UT Received: from hal.summa4.com (kend@hal.summa4.com [10.1.1.13]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA11818; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:02:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Adam Quantrill Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 755C user and some questions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 May 1998, Adam Quantrill wrote: > > Hi - just to introduce myself to the list. I've got a 755C on which I > either run Linux (Redhat 5.0) or Windoze 3.1 if I'm desperate. > > I've got a few questions though: > > - I have a PCMCIA 589 ethernet card which works under Linux except if > I unplug the 'AUI' adaptor then reconnect it later. Sometimes it comes > back after a long time. Any ideas? I believe that, as part of the PCMCIA driver, it looks for link, and if it loses it, it'll default to whatever the default connector on the PCMCIA card is. Does your card support multiple topologies? > > - I have a DOCK 1. I'd like a CURRENT part number for the external > SCSI lead. Does anyone else use the DOCK 1 with linux and use the SCSI > for either CDROM or harddrive? Does it work straight away or are there > config issues such as interrupt settings? What about hot plugging? > Presumably the internal SCSI lead is a fairly standard 50-way job. > > - I'd like to set up the sound driver under linux. If you've done this > please share it with me, to save me time. > > - Any help getting LILO to stay working would be appreciated - I have > to boot via a floppy at the moment. Don't bother with LILO -- you've got Windows; so long as it's not NT, I highly recommend reading up on Loadlin. It lets you boot to DOS, the load the kernel using a command such as c:\loadlin\loadlin.exe c:\loadlin\vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 ro vga=3 which you can easily throw into your autoexec, and choose via the ol' config.sys menu feature. (In essence, what the above line does is executes loadlin.exe, loads the vmlinuz kernel, tells the kernel that Linux's root is /dev/hda2, mounts the root as read only (recommended), and sets vga to mode three (optional, but puts more lines on the console screen). > - Memory expansion - I currently have 8MB, I understand I can either > replace the 4MB card under the floppy with a 16, or get an adaptor - > can you use standard SIMMs or DIMMs with the adaptor, and is the > adaptor still available? > > All in all I'm quite pleased with it now it's set up OK. X windows > runs quite well. > > - Adam > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 10:19:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA072885542; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:19:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13959; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 10:16:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13875; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13857; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA20597; Thu, 14 May 1998 15:20:05 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11362; Thu, 14 May 98 15:11:40 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:14:41 +0000 To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: New 755C user and some questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 116e" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Author: MIME:"Ken D'Ambrosio" at INTERNET ---------------------------------- =20 On Thu, 14 May 1998, Adam Quantrill wrote:=20 > =20 > Hi - just to introduce myself to the list=2E I've got a 755C on whic= h I=20 > either run Linux (Redhat 5=2E0) or Windoze 3=2E1 if I'm desperate=2E > =20 > I've got a few questions though:=20 > =20 > - I have a PCMCIA 589 ethernet card which works under Linux except i= f=20 > I unplug the 'AUI' adaptor then reconnect it later=2E Sometimes it c= omes=20 > back after a long time=2E Any ideas? I believe that, as part of the PCMCIA driver, it looks for link, and if it=20 loses it, it'll default to whatever the default connector on the PCMCIA=20 card is=2E Does your card support multiple topologies? ** Yes the 589 supports twisted pair and coax=2E I use coax at home -=20 perhaps it defaults back to TP=2E > =20 > - I have a DOCK 1=2E I'd like a CURRENT part number for the external= =20 > SCSI lead=2E Does anyone else use the DOCK 1 with linux and use the=20= SCSI=20 > for either CDROM or harddrive? Does it work straight away or are the= re=20 > config issues such as interrupt settings? What about hot plugging?=20 > Presumably the internal SCSI lead is a fairly standard 50-way job=2E= =20 > =20 > - I'd like to set up the sound driver under linux=2E If you've done=20= this=20 > please share it with me, to save me time=2E > =20 > - Any help getting LILO to stay working would be appreciated - I hav= e=20 > to boot via a floppy at the moment=2E Don't bother with LILO -- you've got Windows; so long as it's not NT, I=20 ** Yes I have windoze, but on another hard disk=2E The Linux HD has a 32MB=20 dos partition and a linux partition=2E But it won't boot either on it's own=2E highly recommend reading up on Loadlin=2E It lets you boot to DOS, the loa= d=20 the kernel using a command such as c:\loadlin\loadlin=2Eexe c:\loadlin\vmlinuz root=3D/dev/hda2 ro vga=3D3=20 which you can easily throw into your autoexec, and choose via the ol'=20 config=2Esys menu feature=2E (In essence, what the above line does is=20 executes loadlin=2Eexe, loads the vmlinuz kernel, tells the kernel that Linux's root is /dev/hda2, mounts the root as read only (recommended), and=20 sets vga to mode three (optional, but puts more lines on the console=20 screen)=2E =20 > - Memory expansion - I currently have 8MB, I understand I can either= =20 > replace the 4MB card under the floppy with a 16, or get an adaptor -= =20 > can you use standard SIMMs or DIMMs with the adaptor, and is the=20 > adaptor still available? > =20 > All in all I'm quite pleased with it now it's set up OK=2E X windows= =20 > runs quite well=2E > =20 > - Adam > ------------------------------------------------------------=20 > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 > Harston > Cambridge =20 > CB2 5NH > United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 > ------------------------------------------------------------=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 Harston Cambridge =20 CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 10:33:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079286420; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:33:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14927; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 10:29:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14838; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dogmead.dogmead.com (dogmead.dogmead.com [198.73.240.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14820; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.dogmead.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA18558; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199805141429.KAA18558@dogmead.dogmead.com> Subject: [TP755, Dock1] Linux and Dock1 To: aquantrill@scigen.co.uk (Adam Quantrill) Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Adam Quantrill" at May 14, 98 03:46:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > - I have a DOCK 1. I'd like a CURRENT part number for the external > SCSI lead. Does anyone else use the DOCK 1 with linux and use the SCSI > for either CDROM or harddrive? Does it work straight away or are there > config issues such as interrupt settings? What about hot plugging? The part number I used when I ordered the external cable a few years ago is 32G4143. I don't know if that's "current", though. I experimented with the Dock 1 SCSI system and Linux a while back. I got it to work with CD-ROM and a hard disk, but it's very slow. I can probably dig up the details of what I had to do to get it to work if anyone is interested. > Presumably the internal SCSI lead is a fairly standard 50-way job. Well, you'd think so, but no, it's not. The part number I have for the "internal SCSI installation kit" is 66G3538; again, this may not be current. tim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 10:43:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA085347002; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:43:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15968; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 10:41:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15873; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.rimco.com (zeus.rimco.com [206.113.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15860; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zeus with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) id ; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:30:33 -0400 Message-Id: <31183FB37EF0CF11A24C00A02468EB9E146AE2@zeus> From: "Ronald M. Egalka" To: "'Calvin White'" Cc: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:30:31 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Calvin, I've recently purchased several of the model 701C from IBM Credit Corp. Both were delivered looking and performing as new, although the peripherals do show some wear. Screen, sound, modem, keyboard and trackpoint functions are fine and no cracks on lid. I upgraded the ram to 40mb and Win98 seems to perform acceptably (given that they're running 486s). Hope this is helpful. Ron Ronald M. Egalka regalka@rimco.com President Rampart Investment Management Co., Inc. http://www.rimco.com -----Original Message----- From: Calvin White [SMTP:cwhite@micronet.net] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 1998 5:56 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Thanks for all the replies, both private and mailing list. Everyone has provided new insights, opinions, & options on the 701. I'm looking forward to receiving the machine. If there's anything else you can think of in terms of hardware related problems, please let me know. I'm not too concerned about the software OS side, I don't anticipate any problems. My main concern is that whatever was in need of "refurbishment" has actually been fully fixed. OK, things to check for: 1. Screen conditio; possible cracks on back of lid. 2. Sound quality from headphone jack & multiport adapter. 3. Internal modem function and connection. 4. Keyboard & trackpoint function. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 12:33:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140723583; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:33:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22373; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22269; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (sendmail@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.1.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22255; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA138863404; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:04 -0400 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0ya0tP-0001d1C (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:30:03 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: aquantrill@scigen.co.uk Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New 755C user and some questions X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.93, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi - just to introduce myself to the list. I've got a 755C on which I either run Linux (Redhat 5.0) or Windoze 3.1 if I'm desperate. I've got a few questions though: - I have a DOCK 1. I'd like a CURRENT part number for the external SCSI lead. Does anyone else use the DOCK 1 with linux and use the SCSI for either CDROM or harddrive? Does it work straight away or are there config issues such as interrupt settings? What about hot plugging? Presumably the internal SCSI lead is a fairly standard 50-way job. The cable is standard, but as far as I know no one has ever gotten the Dock I SCSI to work under Linux. - Any help getting LILO to stay working would be appreciated - I have to boot via a floppy at the moment. I have LILO working on my 755C -- what is the problem you're having? I've appended my "/etc/lilo.conf" file. - Memory expansion - I currently have 8MB, I understand I can either replace the 4MB card under the floppy with a 16, or get an adaptor - can you use standard SIMMs or DIMMs with the adaptor, and is the adaptor still available? You can't use standard SIMMs or DIMMs. There's also no reason to get an adaptor -- Kingston sells memory modules for these computers up to at least 32 MB. We have bought several 32 MB modules and they work fine. ----- lilo.conf ------------------------------------------------------ # # Global section: # boot=/dev/hda6 compact delay=20 vga=normal install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map # # Primary kernel: # image=/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 label=linux read-only append="floppy=thinkpad" # # Backup kernel: # image=/vmlinuz-backup root=/dev/hda6 label=linux-backup read-only append="floppy=thinkpad" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 12:59:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156745150; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:59:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23691; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 12:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23594; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.amlogic.com (root@amlogic178.fiasj.net [208.232.79.178]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23570; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amlogic.com (braves [192.9.100.1]) by smtp.amlogic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05811 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:53:08 -0700 Received: from tigers.amlogic.com by amlogic.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01967; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:52:30 PDT Received: from amlogic.com by tigers.amlogic.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA01296; Thu, 14 May 1998 10:03:11 -0700 Sender: james@amlogic.com Message-Id: <355B23CF.BA48AB75@amlogic.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:03:11 -0700 From: James Peroulas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 OSR2 & Hayes optima 33.6 modem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Couple of strange problems. Since installing OSR2, suspend does not work. I've updated the bios, drivers, and even tried to manually tweak the settings but about 50% of the time, the only way to bring it out of suspend is to power cycle the unit. Can OSR2 be made to work on the 701? Also, my hayes optima modem works just fine when the unit is on AC power. However, if I switch to battery mode, the modem stops transfering data. It maintains the connection with the other side and if I go back to AC power, it works again. Is this common on the 701 or the optimas? Thanks, James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 14:13:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA195479580; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:13:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28788; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 14:10:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28632; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28604; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-4.tiac.net (mail-out-4.tiac.net [199.0.65.16]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA32644 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-4.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA13521 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 18:09:45 GMT (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD7F42.322A6450@ntmail.tiac.net>; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:11:32 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "'James Peroulas'" Subject: RE: TP701 OSR2 & Hayes optima 33.6 modem Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:11:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am assuming the modem is external. I seen this problem if there is no ground connection between the modem and the computer. I have seen serial cables that do not use pins 1 or 7 (or the 9 pin connector equiv.) and use the shield of the cable connected to the shell instead (including the metal piece on the outside of the connector itself) to make the ground. If the connector on the computer or modem does not have metal in the shell part then the ground connection is not made. It works on AC power because the ground is made through the ground pin on the power supply. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >Also, my hayes optima modem works just fine when the unit is on AC power. >However, if I switch to battery mode, the >modem stops transfering data. It maintains the connection with the other side >and if I go back to AC power, it >works again. Is this common on the 701 or the optimas? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 14:16:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA197489815; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:16:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29214; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 14:14:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29115; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.amlogic.com (root@amlogic178.fiasj.net [208.232.79.178]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29080; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amlogic.com (braves [192.9.100.1]) by smtp.amlogic.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA05888; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:15:57 -0700 Received: from tigers.amlogic.com by amlogic.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02349; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:15:10 PDT Received: from amlogic.com by tigers.amlogic.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01660; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:25:51 -0700 Sender: james@amlogic.com Message-Id: <355B372F.7A5676E9@amlogic.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:25:51 -0700 From: James Peroulas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5 sun4u) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP701 OSR2 & Hayes optima 33.6 PCMCIA modem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OOPS, I fogot to mention that the modem is acutally a PCMCIA modem. It works fine with batteries in my HPC, but not in my laptop. Pretty strange, eh? JP From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 14:37:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA208111031; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:37:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29977; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 14:24:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29888; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29876; Thu, 14 May 1998 14:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IX0S5WA1TC971W6O@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 14 May 1998 11:24:38 MST Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:46 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION In-Reply-To: "Message dated Tue, 12 May 1998 19:32:34 -0600 (MDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IX0STON8AY971W6O@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <199805120420.VAA28183@ritchie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Proprietary... each modem manufacturer must (apparently) publish a software > utility to fix the problems presented by the digital portmasters... There are two distinct problems here - the first concerns the V.8 tones which are added as a part of the new 56k V.90 standard. These completely trash some other modems (like a Telebit listening for PEP) but they are not Livingston/Lucent's fault - anybody's terminal server running the same protocol will do the exact same thing. The only solutions possible here are to either get an upgrade from your modem vendor that can roll through the V.8 tones ok, or you can use a sufficient number of commas after the phone number in your dialing string such that your modem waits until after the V.8 tones have passed. The number required is best determined by making a few voice calls to the modem number while looking at your watch and using a time (usually 2 secs per comma) slightly longer than the longest time it takes to get past the first two tones. The second problem concerns the Lucent modem code's inability to handle flow control in the V.42 mode (it frequently hangs). Until Lucent fixes this your only hope (if this is a problem for you) is to use MNP instead. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 16:36:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA269908211; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:36:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07599; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 16:26:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07196; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07151; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA26009; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Paul Khoury Cc: John Kim , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? In-Reply-To: <199805140554.WAA24730@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have had my 701 on for a week or more running NT4 and it never got any hotter than it did when I ran Win3.11/DOS. On Wed, 13 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >It will run hot with W95. Win95 doesn't seem to use the halt > >command built into all modern processors. OS/2 and Linux use it > >and the unit runs remarkably cool with them. Dunno about NT. > >If you use it on your lap, I'd recommend you get: > > > Would DOS and NT run the same (being hot)? > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org > Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 16:42:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA274218521; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:42:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07770; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 16:31:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07438; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07414; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15029 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18936; Thu, 14 May 98 16:33:13 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA20909 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:33:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:33:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 May 1998, rj wrote: > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >It will run hot with W95. Win95 doesn't seem to use the halt > > >command built into all modern processors. OS/2 and Linux use it > > >and the unit runs remarkably cool with them. Dunno about NT. > > >If you use it on your lap, I'd recommend you get: > > > > Would DOS and NT run the same (being hot)? > > I have had my 701 on for a week or more running NT4 and it never > got any hotter than it did when I ran Win3.11/DOS. Guess that means NT doesn't use the halt instruction either. The only time my 701 runs as hot under Linux as it does under W95 is if I'm running a processor-intensive process (pegs the CPU usage at 100%). I also get a little more battery life under Linux than under W95 (about 2:30 vs. 2:10). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 17:02:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA284759776; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:02:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09478; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09000; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08984; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id QAA26159; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from packard-bell (world.std.com) by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA09382; Thu, 14 May 1998 16:48:43 -0400 Message-Id: <355B591E.4F2C@world.std.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:50:38 -0400 From: Rod Owen X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: restoring 701 battery gauge?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've lost the battery gauge in the Windows 95 taskbar and the power applet in the control panel. Also, the Fn+F2 battery gauge doesn't work quite right -- it updates maybe every 20 minutes. Can anyone help me recover this? Is there a power.cpl file in the windows\system directory that I need? Thank you. - Rod From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 14 17:33:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA002001623; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:33:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11371; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 14 May 1998 17:29:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11168; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.etn.com (firewall.etn.com [151.110.127.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11155; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:29:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [151.110.40.141] by firewall.etn.com via smtpd (for CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) with SMTP; 14 May 1998 21:29:19 UT Received: (qmail 4900 invoked by uid 183); 14 May 1998 21:29:17 -0000 Message-Id: <19980514162917.C3348@aus.etn.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:29:17 -0500 From: "D. W. Wieboldt" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux APM problems References: <354FC586.70A0CEB4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <354FC586.70A0CEB4@sls.lcs.mit.edu>; from Lee Hetherington on Tue, May 05, 1998 at 10:05:58PM -0400 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 10:05:58PM -0400, Lee Hetherington wrote: > I have Red Hat 5.0 working on my TP600 (just delivered today). All is > well except that I cannot suspend and resume. In the past, on my 770 I > built kernel 2.0.33 and enabled a few APM features. Then, I would use > Fn-F4 to suspend. (I wasn't using the apmd package.) > > However, on my TP600, suspending with either Fn-F4 (no apmd) or apm > --suspend (with apmd), the suspend works, but I cannot resume. This is > with no PC cards, in fact with cardmgr not even running. Basically, > every time I try to resume I am left with a hung machine. Bummer. > > The same thing happened to me with kernel 2.1.99. > > Has anyone else out there had APM problems with Linux on a ThinkPad (not > necessarily a 600) that they got past? How? > > Thanks in advance. > > --Lee Hetherington Well, my stinkpad is a 560 running Debian and 2.0.33 kernel. One of two things helped it: a) Build kernel without floppy support (insmod to use it) and b) Kernel apm patch that I found out there somewhere. This all seems to work well in normal operation. I plugin ethernet and use it, quit and remove it, and hybernate with Fn-F12. Suspend works too. It all goes south when I hit the road and plug the old modem in. Loading serial.o seems to kill the apm and no apm works until I re-boot. Didn't have that problem on a 760L that I was using. HTH... davew -- dwiebold@etnsed.aus.etn.com . . . . . . . My other computer runs Linux! A man who turns green has eschewed protein. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 02:01:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260172081; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:01:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26259; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 01:56:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25990; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25976; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts02.loop.net (p06.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29361; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150555.WAA29361@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "aquantrill@scigen.co.uk" , "Chris Hanson" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 14 May 98 22:55:54 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New 755C user and some questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >The cable is standard, but as far as I know no one has ever gotten the >Dock I SCSI to work under Linux. > Isn't it just a Trantor chipset (now owned by Adaptec)? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 02:01:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260292085; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:01:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26261; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 01:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26135; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26114; Fri, 15 May 1998 01:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts02.loop.net (p06.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29641; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150557.WAA29641@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "billy@MIX.COM" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 14 May 98 22:57:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: THINKPAD 535E AND MWAVE QUESTION Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 May 1998 11:09:46 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> Proprietary... each modem manufacturer must (apparently) publish a software >> utility to fix the problems presented by the digital portmasters... > [snip] I don't see why there has to be x2, K56Flex, and now V.90 with all these problems. It almost seems better to stick with ISDN or 33.6. Does anyone here use ISDN PCMCIA cards? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 02:07:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA263692459; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:07:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26533; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 02:00:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26458; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26441; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts02.loop.net (p06.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29870; Thu, 14 May 1998 22:59:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150559.WAA29870@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "rj" Date: Thu, 14 May 98 22:59:59 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701c] New/Refurbished purchase, what should I be aware of? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 14 May 1998 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >I have had my 701 on for a week or more running NT4 and it never >got any hotter than it did when I ran Win3.11/DOS. > Hmmm. I suppose the only reason mine get's hot is that I'm in the RC5 contest, otherwise, this machine hardly get's warm. I suppose it could also be how the operating system manages the processor, and the other resources/peripherals. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 02:13:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA267482812; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:13:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27464; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27375; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (sendmail@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.1.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27361; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266272678; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:18 -0400 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0yaDiA-0001cyC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: pkhoury@loop.com Cc: aquantrill@scigen.co.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199805150555.WAA29361@stevie.loop.com> (pkhoury@loop.com) Subject: New 755C user and some questions X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.93, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From: "Paul Khoury" Date: Thu, 14 May 98 22:55:54 >The cable is standard, but as far as I know no one has ever gotten the >Dock I SCSI to work under Linux. > Isn't it just a Trantor chipset (now owned by Adaptec)? According to "http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html" it is a TMC-950, which as far as I know is a Future Domain chipset. Is that a Trantor? I'm not sure what a Trantor is. Prior to today, I've never spoken to anyone who had managed to get it to work, even following the instructions on that Web page. This is in contrast to the Dock II, which works well. And for the record: I stupidly mis-spoke regarding the SCSI connector. For some reason, even though I was perfectly aware that we were talking about the Dock I, my statement was based on the Dock II. (I've never even _seen_ a Dock I.) My brain must have been under-caffeinated when I wrote that. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 02:32:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA275553972; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:32:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28156; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 02:30:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28080; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28068; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts02.loop.net (p06.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03371; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150630.XAA03371@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chris Hanson" Cc: "aquantrill@scigen.co.uk" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 14 May 98 23:30:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New 755C user and some questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 15 May 1998 02:11:18 -0400 (EDT), Chris Hanson wrote: > From: "Paul Khoury" > Date: Thu, 14 May 98 22:55:54 > > > >The cable is standard, but as far as I know no one has ever gotten the > >Dock I SCSI to work under Linux. > > > Isn't it just a Trantor chipset (now owned by Adaptec)? > >According to "http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html" it is a >TMC-950, which as far as I know is a Future Domain chipset. Is that a >Trantor? I'm not sure what a Trantor is. > Trantor used to be a company that made SCSI chipsets. They're just like Future Domain, Adaptec, NCR/Symbios, Buslogic, etc. I goofed though, maybe it was the Dock II with Trantor SCSI. >Prior to today, I've never spoken to anyone who had managed to get it >to work, even following the instructions on that Web page. > >This is in contrast to the Dock II, which works well. > >And for the record: I stupidly mis-spoke regarding the SCSI connector. >For some reason, even though I was perfectly aware that we were >talking about the Dock I, my statement was based on the Dock II. >(I've never even _seen_ a Dock I.) My brain must have been >under-caffeinated when I wrote that. > I can't remember what it looks like either, but the Dock II is so much better than the Dock I, though. Now if only I had one... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS The ThinkPad Assistant HTML can be accessed through links from http://pkhoury.dyn.ml.org Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 02:46:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281694798; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:46:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28818; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 02:44:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28737; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28722; Fri, 15 May 1998 02:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts02.loop.net (p06.hwts02.loop.net [207.211.61.81]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04821 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 23:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805150644.XAA04821@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 14 May 98 23:44:48 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad Assistant Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You can now check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 (thanks to the generosity of a friend on an OS/2 list) by going to http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html . I will be adding more stuff to the index.html file soon, such as a link to download the source code, and also hopefully finish up the 755 and 760 Pentiums. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 10:00:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172550857; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:00:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18573; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 09:58:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18397; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18377; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA08727 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 07:58:16 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:58:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies Reply-To: Kolob Technologies To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760XL Accessories Needed? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've just acquired a nice used 760XL as an addition to my collection... and need some advice on where to get some needed additions... which have been posted before, but which I didn't save... IBM CD ROM for Thinkpad.... or a good PCMCIA or other external CD ROM. ZIP drive for Thinkpad which I saw mentioned here a while back. 64 MB memory module Other suggestions re equipment, problems, etc. Thnx Ray Bay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 10:06:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA174581205; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:06:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19028; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 10:05:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18944; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18930; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA27788 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 08:05:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:05:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: And another thing... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Also need a reliable SCSI connector and source for a decent internal or PCMCIA modem get some needed additions... which have been posted IBM CD ROM for Thinkpad.... or a good PCMCIA or other external CD ROM. ZIP drive for Thinkpad which I saw mentioned here a while back. 64 MB memory module Other suggestions re equipment, problems, etc. Thnx Ray Bay From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 12:11:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA236718660; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:11:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25933; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 12:03:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25819; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.doit.wisc.edu (mail1.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.9.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25806; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [146.151.49.35] by mail1.doit.wisc.edu id LAA53944 (8.8.6/50); Fri, 15 May 1998 11:03:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199805151603.LAA53944@mail1.doit.wisc.edu> X-Sender: whsiao@students.wisc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:03:57 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Weber Hsiao Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe Weber Hsiao University of Wisconsin-Madison 1510 Tripp Circle #206VI Tripp Hall Madison, WI 53706-1294 USA ph/fax: 001(608)264-1054 http://www.wisc.edu Weber Hsiao University of Wisconsin-Madison 1510 Tripp Circle #206VI Tripp Hall Madison, WI 53706-1294 USA ph/fax: 001(608)264-1054 http://www.wisc.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 12:42:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253110530; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:42:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27762; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 12:39:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27676; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedar.netten.net (root@cedar.netten.net [205.244.191.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27660; Fri, 15 May 1998 12:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from default (net1-35.netten.net [206.229.193.35]) by cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA11714 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 11:57:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980515113526.0069d858@netten.net> X-Sender: shelby@netten.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:35:26 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Asst. site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a IBM TP760ED. I went to the Think pad asst. web site and was able to access the link to all Think pad versions but 760 series. Is this link not available? Will it be available? Thanks, L.A. Wynne shelby@netten.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 15 18:37:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130661849; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:37:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15488; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 15 May 1998 18:34:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15287; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15272; Fri, 15 May 1998 18:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24241 invoked by uid 66); 15 May 1998 22:33:35 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 May 98 00:00 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Sun/SunSoft/Solaris UNIX abandons support for notebook systems To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Alexander J. Annala (annala@ucla.edu) wrote: > p.s. Anyone interested in seeing Sun Solaris support for > IBM Thinkpads might consider writing to: > > Norma.Adamson@East.Sun.COM And threaten them with more support and development for Linux. That's what they fear... :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 00:37:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA007273454; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:37:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25247; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 00:35:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25135; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25122; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts03.loop.net (p01.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.106]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA25628; Fri, 15 May 1998 21:33:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805160433.VAA25628@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "shelby@netten.net" Date: Fri, 15 May 98 13:30:13 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad Asst. site Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 15 May 1998 11:35:26 -0500, shelby@netten.net wrote: >Hi, I have a IBM TP760ED. I went to the Think pad asst. web site and was >able to access the link to all Think pad versions but 760 series. Is this >link not available? Unfortunately, I didn't finish it yet. Will it be available? > Yes, and with help of others on the list, I will try to add the 600, 770, 765, 310, 380, too, but this while not come quick (because I have school, too). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 05:13:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA134249992; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:13:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02120; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 05:11:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01999; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01984; Sat, 16 May 1998 05:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from savant (qtns03520.singnet.com.sg [165.21.166.150]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA29801 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:11:02 +0800 (SGT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980516165946.00695ee4@mbox2.singnet.com.sg> X-Sender: jsiow@mbox2.singnet.com.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:59:47 +0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Joel Siow Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 06:48:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA173935718; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:48:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10169; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 06:46:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10056; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10044; Sat, 16 May 1998 06:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sat, 16 May 1998 12:46:23 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 12:46:23 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Neomagic - X-Server Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It appears that there is now a FREE (unaccelerated) X-Server for some Neomagic chips available. I just came across the following web page: http://www.mnsinc.com/js/Neomagic.html There are positive reports for the following ThinkPads: IBM ThinkPad 380D under Linux (also successfully drives external monitor) IBM ThinkPad 380ED with NeoMagic 128ZV under Linux IBM ThinkPad 380XD under Linux IBM ThinkPad 535X with NeoMagic 128XD under Linux and GNU/Linux IBM ThinkPad 560X with NeoMagic 128XD under FreeBSD-2.2.5R Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 10:57:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281640623; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:57:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14382; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 10:53:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14248; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedar.netten.net (root@cedar.netten.net [205.244.191.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14236; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from default (net2-81.netten.net [206.229.193.81]) by cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA18147 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:11:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980516094926.00a72750@netten.net> X-Sender: shelby@netten.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 09:49:26 -0500 To: Subject: Re:760ED-Hard Drive space In-Reply-To: <199805160433.VAA25628@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings, Thank you Paul for your reponse. I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. It has 48 meg of Ram, removable-interchangeable CD Rom drive with floppy drive. I registered it on the IBM site and received the stat sheet that it originally had a 1.2 Gig hard drive. I have no idea when it was originally purchased or if it is still in warranty. It has a 750 meg hard drive and I am trying to conserve space until I can find out the particulars of purchasing a 2nd hard drive (? don't know if this is possible? machine-wise?) With space conservation in mind, I note the following programs and wonder if any of them can be safely deleted. In other words what is their function? Olicom DVP Factory IBMPCI IPFWIN (subdirectory 760e-USs1.inf) need to know how to read file, possibly convert to Word or ???) (opening file in WPad just gives computer language codes/squares, etc.) Reachout Welcome WIMAGE WNETFIN- Netfinity Ver 3.06 I have a ThinkPad Information file that contains Thinkpad User's guide, but receive a message "need disk." I have a desktop PC, and just want to use laptop when I travel, so I don't need programs/software that I will never use. These questions are probably so elementary that the response would probably bore 99% of your readers, so feel free to reply to my e-mail address. Thanks a million, LA Wynne shelby@netten.net >_________________snip___________________ >> >Yes, and with help of others on the list, I will try to add the 600, 770, 765, 310, 380, too, but this >while not come quick (because I have school, too). > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > > > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html >Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 15:24:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA120796652; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:24:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19413; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 15:22:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19262; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19250; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts3p59.port.net (usrts3p59.port.net [207.237.106.59]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04529 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 15:21:57 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: modems Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 15:21:59 -0400 Message-Id: <357ce712.248195097@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What v.90 / x2 pc card modem would you recommend? I'd be using it with a tp560, if that matters. thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 17:53:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA190425584; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:53:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22237; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 17:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22119; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22107; Sat, 16 May 1998 17:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a32.tc24.theriver.com [206.102.192.32]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00961; Sat, 16 May 1998 14:50:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <355E0A78.3AF50CB8@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 14:51:52 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: shelby@netten.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: <3.0.1.32.19980516094926.00a72750@netten.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu shelby@netten.net wrote: > > Greetings, > > Thank you Paul for your reponse. I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > > It has 48 meg of Ram, removable-interchangeable CD Rom drive with floppy > drive. This is a definate increase. Depending on the model this is 32MB or 40MB. > > I registered it on the IBM site and received the stat sheet that it > originally had a 1.2 Gig hard drive. I have no idea when it was originally > purchased or if it is still in warranty. > > It has a 750 meg hard drive and I am trying to conserve space until I can > find out the particulars of purchasing a 2nd hard drive (? don't know if > this is possible? machine-wise?) Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > With space conservation in mind, I note the following programs and wonder > if any of them can be safely deleted. In other words what is their function? > > Olicom > DVP > Factory This creates all of the factory default disks. If you don't need/want them, this entire folder can be deleted. > IBMPCI > IPFWIN (subdirectory 760e-USs1.inf) need to know how to read file, > possibly convert to Word or ???) (opening file in WPad just gives computer > language codes/squares, etc.) This is the user's manual for the 760. I recommend getting the HTML version as it takes up less space. > Reachout > Welcome > WIMAGE > WNETFIN- Netfinity Ver 3.06 This helps you troubleshoot network problems.... > I have a ThinkPad Information file that contains Thinkpad User's guide, but > receive a message "need disk." > > I have a desktop PC, and just want to use laptop when I travel, so I don't > need programs/software that I will never use. > > These questions are probably so elementary that the response would probably > bore 99% of your readers, so feel free to reply to my e-mail address. > > Thanks a million, > > LA Wynne > shelby@netten.net > > >_________________snip___________________ > >> > >Yes, and with help of others on the list, I will try to add the 600, 770, > 765, 310, 380, too, but this > >while not come quick (because I have school, too). > > > >-- > >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > >Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > > > > > > > >-- > >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > >Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > >Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 18:04:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA196106262; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:04:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22736; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 18:02:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22662; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vex.net (vex.net [198.96.119.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22650; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (1438 bytes) by vex.net via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:02:45 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #3 built 1997-Oct-29) Received: from vex.net(198.96.119.193) via SMTP by vex.net, id smtpd05475a; Sat May 16 18:02:41 1998 Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 18:02:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Golan Klinger To: Thinkpad List Subject: Hello hello. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings, I just subscribed and the list subscription notes said to drop a line so that's what I'm doing. :) I have a Thinkpad 560 (P133, 72mb RAM, 2.1gb HD, 12.1" TFT) and there isn't a lot to say other than that it is the best notebook I've ever owned. I'm running Win95b (aka OSR2) and I've left a partition free to play with and I think I'm going to start with NetBSD. Previously I had a Digital HiNote Ultra and then an Ultra II but I was very disappointed by Digital's attitude towards support (simply put, OSR2 won't run properly on a HiNote and Digital said "tough luck") so I went with IBM. I sure hope that all the good things I've heard about Thinkpads are true. That's about it. Golan Klinger [falco@vex.net] For long you live and high you fly And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry Good, fast or cheap. And all you touch and all you see Pick two... Is all your life will ever be From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 18:42:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA213988523; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:42:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23958; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 18:39:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23835; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23823; Sat, 16 May 1998 18:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 229 invoked by uid 66); 16 May 1998 22:38:58 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 May 98 22:43 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu shelby@netten.net wrote: > It has a 750 meg hard drive and I am trying to conserve space until I can > find out the particulars of purchasing a 2nd hard drive (? don't know if > this is possible? machine-wise?) Sure. The newer 5 Gig drives fit nicely into 760's. (mine is still in the cupboard, waiting to be installed RSN...) > With space conservation in mind, I note the following programs and wonder > if any of them can be safely deleted. In other words what is their function? If you aren't running Linux on that machine everything can be safely deleted. SCNR. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 19:46:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244852398; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:46:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25083; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 19:44:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24986; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24969; Sat, 16 May 1998 19:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28030; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id QAA09833; Sat, 16 May 1998 16:42:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 16:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: shelby@netten.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:760ED-Hard Drive space In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980516094926.00a72750@netten.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 16 May 1998 shelby@netten.net wrote: > IPFWIN (subdirectory 760e-USs1.inf) need to know how to read file, > possibly convert to Word or ???) (opening file in WPad just gives computer > language codes/squares, etc.) IPFWIN is For reading files using IBM Information Presentation Facility format. Are there some files ending with .inf or .hlp in the directory you need to read? I have The dos, Windows & OS/2 viewer ( I don't have the AIX or AS400,or MVS viewer). Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 16 21:56:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA009250216; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:56:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27517; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 16 May 1998 21:54:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27382; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27364; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.mail.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id ab01351; 16 May 98 21:54 EDT Received: from beast (207-172-83-183.s56.as3.wlm.erols.com [207.172.83.183]) by server2.mail.virginia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA00054 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Sender: brian@server2.mail.virginia.edu Message-Id: <355E44BD.45B3A647@virginia.edu> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:00:29 -0400 From: Brian Organization: Yeah, right... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: extreme heat on back of screen? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My 755C (got it used) tends to get extremely hot on the back left side of the screen...does anyone know 1) why this occurs, 2) whether it's a bad thing, and 3) if there's anything I can do about it? I tried to register it/get info on it at IBM's site, but it didn't recognize the S/N. I would assume it was part of a fleet that some company had leased at some point, but regardless, I didn't get much in the way of useful info so I'd really appreciate it if anyone could help me out... -Brian -- Never trust an operating system you don't have the source code for. Linux + Open Source -- because software is like sex... it's better when it's free. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 00:16:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA076418596; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:16:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01258; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 00:11:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01160; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (root@onondaga.gate.net [198.206.134.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01147; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc1012155-a (cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com [24.3.65.249]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA58762 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:04:27 -0400 Message-Id: <000b01bd8149$954eb140$f9410318@cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com> Reply-To: "Stuart Andrews" From: "Stuart Andrews" To: Subject: Mwave SB16 under DOS Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 00:09:25 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD8128.0D62DDE0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD8128.0D62DDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a way to load Mwave SoundBlaster support under DOS 6.22 without = loading Win95? I have a ThinkPad 760CD with WindowsNT and would like to = get the Mwave chip to access the SB16 features but I'm not sure what I = have to do without screwing up the rest of the system. If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it. Regards, Stuart ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD8128.0D62DDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is there a way to load Mwave SoundBlaster support = under DOS=20 6.22 without loading Win95? I have a ThinkPad 760CD with WindowsNT and = would=20 like to get the Mwave chip to access the SB16 features but I'm not sure = what I=20 have to do without screwing up the rest of the system.
 
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Regards, Stuart
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BD8128.0D62DDE0-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 00:21:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA078438874; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:21:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01741; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 00:17:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01560; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01546; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA17718; Sat, 16 May 1998 22:17:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:17:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: James Mckenzie Cc: shelby@netten.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space In-Reply-To: <355E0A78.3AF50CB8@theriver.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Thank you Paul for your reponse. I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > > Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com > This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on either... although they fit nicely in the space. I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. Ray From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 01:02:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096211320; Sun, 17 May 1998 01:02:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02870; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 00:58:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02791; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02779; Sun, 17 May 1998 00:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a21.tc24.theriver.com [206.102.192.21]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23041; Sat, 16 May 1998 21:58:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <355E6EB4.8F704905@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 21:59:32 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Stuart Andrews Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave SB16 under DOS References: <000b01bd8149$954eb140$f9410318@cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sure. Get the Windows3.1 or DOS drivers from IBM. I think I have the URL here for the Drivers web Page. It changed. The page for all systems is: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html The link from that page is "broken". I think that the webmaster at IBM is working on the system again. James > Stuart Andrews wrote: > > Is there a way to load Mwave SoundBlaster support under DOS 6.22 > without loading Win95? I have a ThinkPad 760CD with WindowsNT and > would like to get the Mwave chip to access the SB16 features but I'm > not sure what I have to do without screwing up the rest of the system. > > If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it. > > > Regards, Stuart From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 02:33:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038566802; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:33:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04719; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 02:29:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04628; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04588; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts14.loop.net (p09.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.204]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA11842; Sat, 16 May 1998 23:25:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805170625.XAA11842@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "shelby@netten.net" Date: Sat, 16 May 98 19:09:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re:760ED-Hard Drive space Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 16 May 1998 09:49:26 -0500, shelby@netten.net wrote: >Greetings, > >Thank you Paul for your reponse. I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, >no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > No problem. >It has 48 meg of Ram, removable-interchangeable CD Rom drive with floppy >drive. That's a nice configuration. > >I registered it on the IBM site and received the stat sheet that it >originally had a 1.2 Gig hard drive. I have no idea when it was originally >purchased or if it is still in warranty. > Check with IBM. It might have a few months left on it. >It has a 750 meg hard drive and I am trying to conserve space until I can >find out the particulars of purchasing a 2nd hard drive (? don't know if >this is possible? machine-wise?) > Yeah, should be. Since 750MB is EIDE, you should be able to add one that's several gigs with no problem. I'm not sure about 3 GB or higher, but therorectically it should be possible. >With space conservation in mind, I note the following programs and wonder >if any of them can be safely deleted. In other words what is their function? > See below. > >Olicom Probably a network card. >DVP >Factory Probably factory diagnostics. >IBMPCI Maybe a PCI configuration utility. >IPFWIN (subdirectory 760e-USs1.inf) need to know how to read file, >possibly convert to Word or ???) (opening file in WPad just gives computer >language codes/squares, etc.) This needs IPFWIN.EXE. I have the 16 bit version so you can view OS/2 *.inf files. Also, would you be able to possibly send the file along (it is the 760 Online Owner's Manual) to my email address? >Reachout >Welcome This tells about your preinstalled software I think when you power on your computer after taking it out of the box. Or it tells about using your ThinkPad ergonomically. >WIMAGE >WNETFIN- Netfinity Ver 3.06 > System information utility. >I have a ThinkPad Information file that contains Thinkpad User's guide, but >receive a message "need disk." > >I have a desktop PC, and just want to use laptop when I travel, so I don't >need programs/software that I will never use. > What OS came on the machine? >These questions are probably so elementary that the response would probably >bore 99% of your readers, so feel free to reply to my e-mail address. > So would I fall into the 1% that likes answering these questions? :*) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 02:33:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA039006836; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:33:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04635; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 02:28:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04543; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04531; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA12851; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355E8515.9C3BA7E8@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:35:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: extreme heat on back of screen? References: <355E44BD.45B3A647@virginia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Brian.. Extreme heat is not good.. the inverter is under there.. if it goes, no more backlight.. if there is any warranty left, use it.. :-) 1-800-772-2227 will get you the IBM help line.. Brian wrote: > My 755C (got it used) tends to get extremely hot on the back left side > of the screen...does anyone know 1) why this occurs, 2) whether it's a > bad thing, and 3) if there's anything I can do about it? I tried to > register it/get info on it at IBM's site, but it didn't recognize the > S/N. I would assume it was part of a fleet that some company had leased > at some point, but regardless, I didn't get much in the way of useful > info so I'd really appreciate it if anyone could help me out... > > -Brian > > -- > Never trust an operating system you don't have the source code for. > Linux + Open Source -- because software is like sex... > it's better when it's free. -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 02:37:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA041467072; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:37:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05105; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 02:33:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04999; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04970; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA04020; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355E85E2.371751CE@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:38:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: os2support@theriver.com Cc: Stuart Andrews , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave SB16 under DOS References: <000b01bd8149$954eb140$f9410318@cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com> <355E6EB4.8F704905@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu link is back NOW..! note: the 760CD was a win3.11 machine, so the drivers and init files are available.. i had a restore CD for those machines.. if you need help, i'll e-mail you them.. James Mckenzie wrote: > Sure. Get the Windows3.1 or DOS drivers from IBM. I think I have the > URL here for the Drivers web Page. > > It changed. The page for all systems is: > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html > > The link from that page is "broken". I think that the webmaster at IBM > is working on the system again. > > James > > > Stuart Andrews wrote: > > > > Is there a way to load Mwave SoundBlaster support under DOS 6.22 > > without loading Win95? I have a ThinkPad 760CD with WindowsNT and > > would like to get the Mwave chip to access the SB16 features but I'm > > not sure what I have to do without screwing up the rest of the system. > > > > If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it. > > > > > > Regards, Stuart -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 02:42:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA043947335; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:42:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05410; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 02:35:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05336; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05282; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA22858; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355E868D.CA10DC8C@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:41:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Kolob Technologies Cc: James Mckenzie , shelby@netten.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu the 760ED does in fact support the 5.1gig drive.. you must update the bios, however.. note: IBM prints its manuals with current info, not future info.. :-) the manual says the 760C series max memory is 40megs.. not so, it is 64megs.. the 5.1gig drive is running in my 760ED and many other machines from 755CD's to 765's and of course, the 770's.. Kolob Technologies wrote: > > > Thank you Paul for your reponse. I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > > > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > > > > Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com > > This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > > Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > either... although they fit nicely in the space. > > I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement > postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. > > Ray -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 02:44:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA044877449; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:44:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06095; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 02:40:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05946; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05882; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA23793; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355E8798.7CD674A5@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:45:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: os2support@theriver.com Cc: Stuart Andrews , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mwave SB16 under DOS References: <000b01bd8149$954eb140$f9410318@cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com> <355E6EB4.8F704905@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry.. the link IS busted... :-) James Mckenzie wrote: > Sure. Get the Windows3.1 or DOS drivers from IBM. I think I have the > URL here for the Drivers web Page. > > It changed. The page for all systems is: > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html > > The link from that page is "broken". I think that the webmaster at IBM > is working on the system again. > > James > > > Stuart Andrews wrote: > > > > Is there a way to load Mwave SoundBlaster support under DOS 6.22 > > without loading Win95? I have a ThinkPad 760CD with WindowsNT and > > would like to get the Mwave chip to access the SB16 features but I'm > > not sure what I have to do without screwing up the rest of the system. > > > > If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it. > > > > > > Regards, Stuart -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 02:47:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA046127627; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:47:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06479; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 02:43:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06360; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06348; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA19382; Sun, 17 May 1998 02:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355E888D.C7F6CCC7@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 02:49:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Kolob Technologies Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: And another thing... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray.. the 64meg memory is cheap.. unbelieveably cheap.. $150! Kolob Technologies wrote: > Also need a reliable SCSI connector and source for a decent internal or > PCMCIA modem > > get some needed additions... which have been posted > > IBM CD ROM for Thinkpad.... or a good PCMCIA > or other external CD ROM. > > ZIP drive for Thinkpad which I saw mentioned > here a while back. > > 64 MB memory module > > Other suggestions re equipment, problems, etc. > > Thnx > > Ray Bay -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 06:36:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137231398; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:36:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18963; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18788; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18760; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13004 invoked by uid 66); 17 May 1998 10:30:42 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 May 98 10:23 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Mwave SB16 under DOS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill Morrow (penzance@icanect.net) wrote: > link is back NOW..! > note: > the 760CD was a win3.11 machine, so the drivers and init files are > available.. > i had a restore CD for those machines.. if you need help, i'll e-mail you > them.. > > James Mckenzie wrote: > > > Sure. Get the Windows3.1 or DOS drivers from IBM. I think I have the > > URL here for the Drivers web Page. > > > > It changed. The page for all systems is: > > > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html -> ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles. There is a file called allfiles.txt somewhere at the top of the site which explains what's where. Grep for "Mwave". No need to wait for the webmaster to wake up. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 06:36:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137351404; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:36:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18966; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18786; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18762; Sun, 17 May 1998 06:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13029 invoked by uid 66); 17 May 1998 10:30:46 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 May 98 10:17 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Kolob Technologies (kglp@cia-g.com) wrote: > Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > either... although they fit nicely in the space. Could be you need a BIOS Upgrade. Try to walk down the services track on www.pc.ibm.com or go directly to the IBM PSG FTP site ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 11:17:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA242888250; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:17:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24952; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 11:15:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24817; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24804; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a33.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.225]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA10066; Sun, 17 May 1998 08:15:12 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <355EFF4E.6414D3D6@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:16:30 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harald Milz wrote: > > Kolob Technologies (kglp@cia-g.com) wrote: > > Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > > mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > > either... although they fit nicely in the space. > > Could be you need a BIOS Upgrade. Try to walk down the services track on > www.pc.ibm.com or go directly to the IBM PSG FTP site > ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles. I tried that last night. IBM's web site looks like it is being revised. The latest version of BIOS for the 760CD is SYTPG107 (should be at least version 2.0) that I used. It added support for the larger hard drives. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 11:37:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253189449; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:37:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25597; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 11:35:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25520; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cedar.netten.net (root@cedar.netten.net [205.244.191.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25507; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from default (net1-15.netten.net [206.229.193.15]) by cedar.netten.net (8.8.8/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA21964; Sun, 17 May 1998 10:53:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980517103203.00a6f7c8@netten.net> X-Sender: shelby@netten.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 10:32:03 -0500 To: kglp@cia-g.com Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <355E0A78.3AF50CB8@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Ray, thanks a million for your offer. How many pages? Happy to send you a check or money order. Lets make sure we're talking about the correct manual, my stats are: ThinkPad 760 9546-U3A ThinkPad 760ED*P133, 16MB, 1.2GB, 12.1 TFT, MPEG Do you know what the "ED" refers to, as opposed to 760CD, etc. I assume different models of the 760 are they like good, better and best? VBG This is the info I recd back from IBM Personal Computing Support when I registered and entered my Serial number. I assume that IBM would send correct info? When I purchased the laptop it had 48 megs of RAM & a 750 HD, interchangeable CD ROM Drive & 1.44 floppy. It works great. I am using WIN98 beta 3, converted FAT to 32. Look forward to hearing from you, Larose Wynne shelby@netten.net I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, >> > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. >> >> Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com >> This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > >Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on >mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on >either... although they fit nicely in the space. > >I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement >postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. > >Ray > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 12:15:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271051753; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:15:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26823; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 12:14:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26745; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26733; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a33.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.225]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16632; Sun, 17 May 1998 09:13:58 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <355F0D15.2335CDF1@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 09:15:17 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: shelby@netten.net Cc: kglp@cia-g.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: <355E0A78.3AF50CB8@theriver.com> <3.0.1.32.19980517103203.00a6f7c8@netten.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu shelby@netten.net wrote: > > Hi Ray, thanks a million for your offer. How many pages? Happy to send you > a check or money order. > > Lets make sure we're talking about the correct manual, my stats are: > > ThinkPad 760 9546-U3A > ThinkPad 760ED*P133, 16MB, 1.2GB, 12.1 TFT, MPEG Your system is a 9546-U9A (9546-4Z4 if refurbished by IBM). > Do you know what the "ED" refers to, as opposed to 760CD, etc. I assume > different models of the 760 are they like good, better and best? VBG The "E" supposedly stands for enhanced. The "D" means that the system originally shipped with a Cd-ROM drive. In the case of the ED, it was a 6X or 8X drive. > This is the info I recd back from IBM Personal Computing Support when I > registered and entered my Serial number. What did you get back? That the model and serial number did not match, or that the model could not be found? > I assume that IBM would send correct info? You are very naive if you think that IBM will provide accurate information. They are very precise however. > When I purchased the laptop it had 48 megs of RAM & a 750 HD, > interchangeable CD ROM Drive & 1.44 floppy. > It works great. I am using WIN98 beta 3, converted FAT to 32. > > Look forward to hearing from you, > > Larose Wynne > shelby@netten.net > > I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > >> > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > >> > >> Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com > >> This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > > > >Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > >mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > >either... although they fit nicely in the space. > > > >I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement > >postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. > > > >Ray > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 12:40:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281913249; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:40:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28156; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 12:38:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27994; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27982; Sun, 17 May 1998 12:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.105]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA19832; Sun, 17 May 1998 16:38:01 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Kolob Technologies" Cc: "James Mckenzie" , , Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 12:34:48 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980517163759.AAA19832@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Don't forget that unless you are using FAT32 with WIN95 OSR2, you must limit partition size to 2.1 GIG. This is probably why the drive is unrocognized - you need to partition it. ---------- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Kolob Technologies > Cc: James Mckenzie ; shelby@netten.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space > Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 2:41 AM > > the 760ED does in fact support the 5.1gig drive.. > you must update the bios, however.. > > note: > IBM prints its manuals with current info, not future info.. :-) > the manual says the 760C series max memory is 40megs.. not so, it is 64megs.. > > the 5.1gig drive is running in my 760ED and many other machines from 755CD's to > 765's and of course, the 770's.. > > Kolob Technologies wrote: > > > > > Thank you Paul for your reponse. I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > > > > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > > > > > > Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com > > > This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > > > > Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > > mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > > either... although they fit nicely in the space. > > > > I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement > > postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. > > > > Ray > > > > -- > Bill Morrow > http://thinkpads.com > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 14:20:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028699249; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:20:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01274; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 14:19:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01186; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01174; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IX4Z694GM8972HIW@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:18:56 MST Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:14:11 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 760XL Accessories Needed? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 15 May 1998 07:58:16 -0600 (MDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IX4ZHOJ27C972HIW@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > ZIP drive for Thinkpad which I saw mentioned > here a while back. See www.vsttech.com for info. There's one for the 760s and thick 755s (CDROM models) and another for the 770s. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 15:00:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA046551636; Sun, 17 May 1998 15:00:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02306; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 14:54:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02163; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02137; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IX4ZHYQMKG972HIW@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:53:53 MST Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:35:09 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: extreme heat on back of screen? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sat, 16 May 1998 22:00:29 -0400" <355E44BD.45B3A647@virginia.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IX50PZJ7TQ972HIW@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My 755C (got it used) tends to get extremely hot on the back left side > of the screen...does anyone know 1) why this occurs, 2) whether it's a > bad thing, and 3) if there's anything I can do about it? Just guessing but there is most likely a voltage regulator in use and there could be some problem with transfering the heat from it in to the heat sink on which it'd be mounted. In general silicon grease is used for this - I've seen a couple cases (but not IBM) where whoever just forgot to put the grease in. My CE has been on a few days now - it's a bit warm but nowhere near hot. I'd call IBM and ask about this, you might even have a little time left on its warranty. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 16:42:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA091907766; Sun, 17 May 1998 16:42:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04878; Sun, 17 May 1998 16:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 16:40:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04771; Sun, 17 May 1998 16:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04759; Sun, 17 May 1998 16:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11712 invoked by uid 66); 17 May 1998 20:40:32 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 17 May 98 21:47 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > You are very naive if you think that IBM will provide accurate > information. They are very precise however. not accurate but very precise? I seem to have some language problem. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 17:14:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA106199672; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:14:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05944; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 17:12:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05829; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05817; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA26803; Sun, 17 May 1998 11:11:54 -1000 Message-Id: <002801bd81d8$83851d20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Precise but not accurate (was Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:12:33 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harald Milz wrote: >James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: >> You are very naive if you think that IBM will provide accurate >> information. They are very precise however. > >not accurate but very precise? I seem to have some language >problem. This is a common distinction in the mathematical sciences. If your pocket calculator says that pi=3.000000000000000000, then it is a lot more precise than *my* calculator, but nowhere near as accurate. I think this was a nice way of describing the IBM website, though occasionally they also are not precise (especially when describing weights and sizes of options). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 17:24:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110510269; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:24:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06426; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 17:22:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06350; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06338; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a33.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.225]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22967; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:22:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <355F554C.42BF29D6@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:23:24 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harald Milz wrote: > > James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > > You are very naive if you think that IBM will provide accurate > > information. They are very precise however. > > not accurate but very precise? I seem to have some language > problem. They give exacting INCORRECT information. I've been hit by this a couple of times. Fortunately, I was "lucky" enough to find the answer I was looking for dispite the incorrect information they gave me. I hope that clears up the above information I gave you. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 17:29:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA114140561; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:29:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06881; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 17:27:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06808; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06794; Sun, 17 May 1998 17:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a33.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.225]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA23560; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:27:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <355F5687.98E5C71F@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:28:39 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross Cc: h.milz@seneca.muc.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Precise but not accurate (was Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space) References: <002801bd81d8$83851d20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David Ross wrote: > > Harald Milz wrote: > > >James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > >> You are very naive if you think that IBM will provide accurate > >> information. They are very precise however. > > > >not accurate but very precise? I seem to have some language > >problem. > > This is a common distinction in the mathematical sciences. If your pocket > calculator says that pi=3.000000000000000000, then it is a lot more precise > than *my* calculator, but nowhere near as accurate. I think this was a nice > way of describing the IBM website, though occasionally they also are not > precise (especially when describing weights and sizes of options). > What I was saying is that IBM can provide information which looks like it is correct, is not. I asked for an URL for some information. I was wrong, but I did get to the web page that the URL. I was able to find the information I needed from the site but on a different page. Also, IBM has this nasty habit of changing their sites and an URL that worked last week to get me to the 760C/E/X drivers files now points to something else. And the "new" page is not available (yet). James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 21:01:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215643262; Sun, 17 May 1998 21:01:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11717; Sun, 17 May 1998 20:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 20:56:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11503; Sun, 17 May 1998 20:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11487; Sun, 17 May 1998 20:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA27281; Sun, 17 May 1998 14:55:55 -1000 Message-Id: <000801bd81f7$d14afe20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: Cc: , Subject: Re: Precise but not accurate (was Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space) Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:56:35 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I wrote: >I think this was a nice >way of describing the IBM website, though occasionally they also are not > precise (especially when describing weights and sizes of options). James wrote: > >What I was saying is that IBM can provide information which looks like >it is correct, is not. Yes, I understood this as your meaning, and entirely agree - I think this is consistent with my numerical analogy. However, it is *also* the case that IBM occasionally provides information such as "Weight: less than one pound" - which is *not* precise, though perhaps accurate! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 21:01:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215783276; Sun, 17 May 1998 21:01:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11756; Sun, 17 May 1998 20:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 20:55:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11443; Sun, 17 May 1998 20:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11431; Sun, 17 May 1998 20:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip166-72-213-34 (slip166-72-213-34.ut.us.ibm.net [166.72.213.34]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA55420 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 00:55:33 GMT Message-Id: <355F86D1.7C6D@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:54:42 -0400 From: "Lawrence J. Schipper" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Device Drivers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Earlier there were several messages looking for Thinkpad Driver Files. I found the links broken as well. But the files can be FTP'ed from IBM at: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/ Your will have to seach using your machine type, eg Thinkpad 770. L. J. Schipper From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 17 23:52:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA296243545; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:52:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18870; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 17 May 1998 23:49:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18722; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18671; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.22.4.42] (nnh-1-22.mv.com [207.22.4.42]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id XAA07567 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805180348.XAA07567@mercury.mv.net> Subject: TP360c MB -- replace w/TP750c ??? Date: Sun, 17 May 98 23:52:41 -0500 X-Sender: nh-kf@pop-lnh.mv.net X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Ken Fredholm To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if it is possible to replace a TP360c system board with that of a TP750c ? I have been looking unsuccessfully for a 360c MB but may have located a TP750 MB and they appear to be very similar. All connectors seem to be located in the same place and the physical attributes appear identical, but I don't know if the electrical connections are compatible. The pictorials in the technical manuals look promising, but of course IBM changed all the part numbers of the mating hardware. Has anyone ever tried this ?? Ken in Hudson, NH From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 18 01:40:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA052750056; Mon, 18 May 1998 01:40:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28188; Mon, 18 May 1998 01:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 18 May 1998 01:39:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28112; Mon, 18 May 1998 01:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28100; Mon, 18 May 1998 01:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p13.hwts14.loop.net (p13.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.208]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA22115; Sun, 17 May 1998 22:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805180536.WAA22115@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ken Fredholm" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 17 May 98 22:39:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP360c MB -- replace w/TP750c ??? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 17 May 98 23:52:41 -0500, Ken Fredholm wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to replace a TP360c system board >with that of a TP750c ? I have been looking unsuccessfully for a 360c MB >but may have located a TP750 MB and they appear to be very similar. All >connectors seem to be located in the same place and the physical >attributes appear identical, but I don't know if the electrical >connections are compatible. The pictorials in the technical manuals look >promising, but of course IBM changed all the part numbers of the mating >hardware. Has anyone ever tried this ?? > It might be possible as they are very similiar, but I wouldn't guarantee anything. I believe the 750 is a 486SL-33, and the 360C should be a 486SX-33 (or DX2-50). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS Check out the ThinkPad Assistant 24/7 @ http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 18 10:20:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281281246; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:20:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22940; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 18 May 1998 10:14:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22499; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22487; Mon, 18 May 1998 10:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop (slip129-37-196-70.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.70]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA186614 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 14:14:05 GMT Message-Id: <356041AA.22A5@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 09:11:54 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Memory for TP365XD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP 365XD which I am very fond of. I have upped its memory to 40meg recently, but when I did so I noticed that the 32 meg card could also be used in a 380 or 580 or 760. Looking further at the manufacturer's Web site, I see they have a 64meg card for these same models. My question is, can I put a 64meg memory card into my 365XD and have a full 72meg of RAM available? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 18 20:40:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA296368447; Mon, 18 May 1998 20:40:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24323; Mon, 18 May 1998 20:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 18 May 1998 20:38:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24179; Mon, 18 May 1998 20:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onondaga.gate.net (root@onondaga.gate.net [198.206.134.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24167; Mon, 18 May 1998 20:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc1012155-a (cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com [24.3.65.249]) by onondaga.gate.net (8.8.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA42174; Mon, 18 May 1998 20:30:29 -0400 Message-Id: <000c01bd82be$14497f00$f9410318@cc1012155-a.srst1.fl.home.com> Reply-To: "Stuart Andrews" From: "Stuart Andrews" To: "Bill Morrow" , Cc: Subject: Re: Mwave SB16 under DOS Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 20:35:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I would like to thank everyone for getting me started on the right track at least. I was able to get the proper drivers installed and everything is working properly. Thanks! Regards, Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: os2support@theriver.com Cc: Stuart Andrews ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, May 17, 1998 2:46 AM Subject: Re: Mwave SB16 under DOS >Sorry.. >the link IS busted... :-) > >James Mckenzie wrote: > >> Sure. Get the Windows3.1 or DOS drivers from IBM. I think I have the >> URL here for the Drivers web Page. >> >> It changed. The page for all systems is: >> >> http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html >> >> The link from that page is "broken". I think that the webmaster at IBM >> is working on the system again. >> >> James >> >> > Stuart Andrews wrote: >> > >> > Is there a way to load Mwave SoundBlaster support under DOS 6.22 >> > without loading Win95? I have a ThinkPad 760CD with WindowsNT and >> > would like to get the Mwave chip to access the SB16 features but I'm >> > not sure what I have to do without screwing up the rest of the system. >> > >> > If anyone could offer some help I'd really appreciate it. >> > >> > >> > Regards, Stuart > > > >-- >Bill Morrow >http://thinkpads.com >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 19 15:29:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240956199; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:29:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12852; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 19 May 1998 15:13:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12365; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12353; Tue, 19 May 1998 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id MAA09920 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 12:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 0004DA63; Tue, 19 May 98 12:13:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 12:12:01 -0700 Message-Id: <0004DA63.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: snippets from Infoworld (or more rumor mongering) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Infoworld (May 18, 1998, page 8) reports that IBM was considering resurecting a variation of the "butterfly" fold-out keyboard (701ers!!). Darn. Just when my back was just starting to get used to the permenent dent in it from hauling my 760XL around town. Mitchell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 19 16:43:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277870594; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:43:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15903; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 19 May 1998 16:17:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15621; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15596; Tue, 19 May 1998 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts13.loop.net (p20.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.185]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14361; Tue, 19 May 1998 13:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805192014.NAA14361@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mitchell Yee" Date: Tue, 19 May 98 13:04:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: snippets from Infoworld (or more rumor mongering) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 19 May 1998 12:12:01 -0700, Mitchell Yee wrote: > > Infoworld (May 18, 1998, page 8) reports that IBM was > considering resurecting a variation of the "butterfly" > fold-out keyboard (701ers!!). > Who knows, it could be true, but it could be vaporware. I don't know if they will release the same idea, considering the problems both myself and others have had. > Darn. Just when my back was just starting to get > used to the permenent dent in it from hauling my > 760XL around town. > Use a backpack with lots of padding. If you think you're worse off, try carrying 2 computers! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 20 02:05:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA267774322; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:05:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05062; Wed, 20 May 1998 02:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 20 May 1998 01:59:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04901; Wed, 20 May 1998 01:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04887; Wed, 20 May 1998 01:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980520060037.19244.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [193.214.22.49] by send1c; Tue, 19 May 1998 23:00:37 PDT Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 23:00:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Azad Hessamodini Reply-To: azadh@bigfoot.com Subject: TP 560 upgrade ... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi netters, I've got a TP560/P100/8MB RAM/810 MB HDD/11.3" DSTN I intend to upgrade it to 72MB Ram and 3GB HDD. Is it possible to do so (assuming that I have the latest BIOS update)? I remember sometime ago I read a post on comp.sys.laptops which mentioned that you can oly do one of these and not both... Please let me know if you've done it ... Cheers, Azad. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 20 18:42:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156724151; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:42:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20413; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 20 May 1998 18:32:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19824; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19784; Wed, 20 May 1998 18:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA17584; Wed, 20 May 1998 12:32:19 -1000 Message-Id: <000f01bd843f$40a36ca0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "Mitchell Yee" Subject: Re: snippets from Infoworld (or more rumor mongering) Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 12:33:00 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mitchell Yee wrote: >> Infoworld (May 18, 1998, page 8) reports that IBM was >> considering resurecting a variation of the "butterfly" >> fold-out keyboard (701ers!!). Paul K. wrote: >I don't know if they will release the same idea, >considering the problems both myself and others have had. With due respect, I doubt your complaints with this keyboard have kept any IBM execs awake at night - assuming you've even let them know about this! >Use a backpack with lots of padding. If you think you're worse off, try carrying 2 computers! I assume that the target market for a new subnote with a folding keyboard would *not* include people who regularly tote 2 computers around in a backpack. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 20 20:39:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA213921190; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:39:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24121; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 20 May 1998 20:37:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24036; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24024; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hp-customer ([12.70.44.143]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA11411 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 1998 00:36:46 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Wayne Jones" To: Subject: 755cd Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 19:33:21 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980121003645.AAA11411@hp-customer> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Just to introduce myself to the list. Made a great deal on the 755CD on which I run Win-95. Does anyone have a spare car adapter plug and an external 1.44 drive for sale? Again hello from sunny Florida. Thinkpad 755cd 9545-9bd 100mhz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 20 23:48:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA011902488; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:48:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00474; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 20 May 1998 23:44:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00206; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29891; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-054-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.134]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA24181 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <3563A2F4.9C7D3C29@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:48 -0600 From: Ray Bay Organization: Dry Creek X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unix Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've decided to use Unix on my new laptop... and am very comfortable using Unix/Linix, etc, on a server... but have never used it on a laptop or for personal use. Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. Cost isn't a major issue. Name of a vendor would be nice as well. Todd Miller From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 20 23:53:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA015892824; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:53:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00886; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 20 May 1998 23:51:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00798; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00786; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a14.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.206]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA09902; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:50:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3563A4EB.380AE0F2@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:52:11 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix References: <3563A2F4.9C7D3C29@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Same here. I want to install UNIX on a Thinkpad 760ED with maximum functionality. James Ray Bay wrote: > > I've decided to use Unix on my new laptop... and am very comfortable using > Unix/Linix, etc, on a server... but have never used it on a laptop or for > personal use. > > Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications > software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. Cost isn't > a major issue. > > Name of a vendor would be nice as well. > > Todd Miller From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 00:11:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA022753871; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:11:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02048; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 00:08:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01961; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (root@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01949; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id UAA20072; Wed, 20 May 1998 20:38:57 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Todd Miller , James Mckenzie Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: UNIX on ThinkPads In-Reply-To: <3563A4EB.380AE0F2@theriver.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Todd and James, > > Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications > > software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. Cost > > isn't a major issue. will the particular UNIX-ish OS that you'll choose be driven by the available applications, or do you have a particular OS in mind and are curious about the applications available on that particular OS? Christian. -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 00:17:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026644244; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:17:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02564; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 00:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02481; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02469; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:14:02 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (hd67-052.hil.compuserve.com [199.174.247.52]) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id AAA10256; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980521001311.0081dd30@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:13:11 -0400 To: Ray Bay From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Unix Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3563A2F4.9C7D3C29@cia-g.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:43 PM 5/20/98 -0600, Ray Bay wrote: >Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, I thought I just heard that Corel is planning to support Linux with their Office Suite. >communications software, What kind of communications? Have you considered C-Kermit (free, just buy the manual)? >spreadsheet, and database I think that there may be something along these lines in the GNU collection. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 00:33:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036145224; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:33:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03787; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 00:31:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03670; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03645; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server2.mail.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa11046; 21 May 98 0:31 EDT Received: from beast (207-172-83-52.s52.as1.wlm.erols.com [207.172.83.52]) by server2.mail.virginia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA28330; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: brian@server2.mail.virginia.edu Message-Id: <3563AF96.2F05A59@virginia.edu> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:37:42 -0400 From: Brian Organization: Yeah, right... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bay Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix References: <3563A2F4.9C7D3C29@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ray Bay wrote: > > I've decided to use Unix on my new laptop... Excellent choice ;) > but have never used it on a laptop or for personal use. ... > Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications > software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. I run Linux on my desktop and my Thinkpad 755, and highly recommend it as the PC-UNIX platform of choice. As far as word processors, Corel has released WordPerfect for UNIX, you can get a free trial version (the full product will cost you)...I'd also recommend you check out StarOffice - an office suite (very similar in look and feel to M$ Orifice) for Linux which is (last I checked) free for the personal use - it's available from http://www.stardivision.com As you probably know, there's a lot of comm software available, I'd need some more info on what you're looking to do before (ppp, null modem direct, etc) making a recommendation, but offhand I've used minicom, dip, slirp, chat, and pppd for various connection tasks - some combination of those may be just what you're looking for. Likewise, there are a number of free databases for Linux, I can't say I've had any significant experience with any of them (unfortunately I've been stuck with Access in the past :) ) -Brian -- Never trust an operating system you don't have the source code for. Linux + Open Source -- because software is like sex... it's better when it's free. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 01:08:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054257316; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:08:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05545; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 01:06:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05462; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.walrus.com (frog.walrus.com [206.24.16.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05450; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-extgw1.walrus.com (root@tweedledee.walrus.com [206.24.16.12]) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id BAA01147; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.walrus.com (davidc@walrus1.walrus.com [206.24.16.2]) by mail-extgw1.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id BAA19900; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (davidc@localhost) by mail2.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with SMTP id BAA17644; Thu, 21 May 1998 01:05:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: walrus1.walrus.com: davidc owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 01:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: David Carrigan To: Brian Cc: Ray Bay , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <3563AF96.2F05A59@virginia.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those who would, with "support contract": Linux on a /diminished/ box is quite do-able. The support contract is WE who get you going, regardless of OS. RedHat, Suse and Debian are the best shots, but then there's the video board(sic). Slackware's also good, but not so front-end as the others. On the IBM's pay close attention to the VIDEO chips. NeoMagic(sic) is magic for the masses...HTH david On Thu, 21 May 1998, Brian wrote: > Ray Bay wrote: > > > > I've decided to use Unix on my new laptop... > > Excellent choice ;) > > > but have never used it on a laptop or for personal use. > ... > > Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications > > software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. > > I run Linux on my desktop and my Thinkpad 755, and highly recommend > it as the PC-UNIX > platform of choice. As far as word processors, Corel has released > WordPerfect for UNIX, > you can get a free trial version (the full product will cost you)...I'd > also > recommend you check out StarOffice - an office suite (very similar in > look > and feel to M$ Orifice) for Linux which is (last I checked) free for the > personal use - > it's available from http://www.stardivision.com > As you probably know, there's a lot of comm software available, I'd > need some more > info on what you're looking to do before (ppp, null modem direct, etc) > making a > recommendation, but offhand I've used minicom, dip, slirp, chat, and > pppd for various > connection tasks - some combination of those may be just what you're > looking for. > Likewise, there are a number of free databases for Linux, I can't say > I've had any > significant experience with any of them (unfortunately I've been stuck > with Access in > the past :) ) > > -Brian > > -- > Never trust an operating system you don't have the source code for. > Linux + Open Source -- because software is like sex... > it's better when it's free. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 02:37:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA099422621; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:37:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07660; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 02:30:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07546; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07534; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts13.loop.net (p23.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.188]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA09566; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:26:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805210626.XAA09566@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ray Bay" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 20 May 98 23:30:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unix Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 May 1998 21:43:48 -0600, Ray Bay wrote: >I've decided to use Unix on my new laptop... and am very comfortable using >Unix/Linix, etc, on a server... but have never used it on a laptop or for >personal use. > I ran Debian alongside Warp 3 at one time on my 701, and it ran quite nicely, faster than Windows 95 (which I erased and gave to Linux anyways). >Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications >software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. Cost isn't >a major issue. > If cost isn't a major issue, then you can go with either Linux (free, except for the price of a CD-ROM) or something like SCO UNIX or Sun Solaris. I don't know much about SCO, all I know about Solaris is that it doesn't work on my SPARCbook (for some unknown reason). For a word processor, many people like emacs or xemacs. I've never really used it, because my stupid 486 motherboards died (I've gone through 3 this month!), so I can't practice. I think there is an x spreadsheet also. Are you primarily going to run in VIO (text mode) or GUI? I suppose you might also be able to use vi for word processing as well. >Name of a vendor would be nice as well. > Sun? SCO? Good luck. Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 02:42:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA101102975; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:42:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08574; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 02:39:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08420; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08343; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA28156; Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <199805210626.XAA09566@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? Thinkpad 760XL 80 Mb RAM > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 02:49:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA103523351; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:49:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09362; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 02:46:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09289; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09272; Thu, 21 May 1998 02:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p23.hwts13.loop.net (p23.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.188]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA10578; Wed, 20 May 1998 23:43:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805210643.XAA10578@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Kolob Technologies" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 20 May 98 23:46:41 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unix Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:19 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: >> >> Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? > > Thinkpad 760XL 80 Mb RAM > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 08:36:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA259294210; Thu, 21 May 1998 08:36:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23074; Thu, 21 May 1998 08:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 08:33:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22606; Thu, 21 May 1998 08:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22540; Thu, 21 May 1998 08:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA26023 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:34:03 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199805211234.PAA26023@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:33:16 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3563A2F4.9C7D3C29@cia-g.com> Subject: Re: Unix X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 May 1998 at 09:43 PM you, Ray Bay , said: >Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications >software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. Cost isn't >a major issue. The Applixware Office Suite has all of the above (and more) >Name of a vendor would be nice as well. RedHat Software http://www.redhat.com/products/product-details.phtml?id=apx Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 11:45:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050555502; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:45:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03349; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 11:41:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03172; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03159; Thu, 21 May 1998 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06487; Thu, 21 May 1998 09:41:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:41:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Kolob Technologies To: Paul Khoury Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <199805210643.XAA10578@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I do believe it is a Trident Chipset... as in the 760ED, but it has a "lesser" screen than the 760ED... it is only a 800 x 600 on the machine but it ports to 1200+ x 700+ No, I don't need sound. It has a decent sound card, but terrible speakers. I find sound an irritant when I am working. > >> Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? > > Thinkpad 760XL 80 Mb RAM > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't > need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 16:16:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA189471767; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:16:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16606; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 16:10:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16404; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jasper.southwind.net (root@jasper.southwind.net [206.53.103.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16390; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jasper.southwind.net (abcjr@jasper.southwind.net [206.53.103.7]) by jasper.southwind.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07203; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:09:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:09:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Arnold B. Cavazos, Jr." To: Ray Bay Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <3563A2F4.9C7D3C29@cia-g.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 20 May 1998, Ray Bay wrote: >I've decided to use Unix on my new laptop... and am very comfortable using >Unix/Linix, etc, on a server... but have never used it on a laptop or for >personal use. > >Can someone recommend a unix-compatible word processor, communications >software, spreadsheet, and database for me to start off with. Cost isn't >a major issue. > >Name of a vendor would be nice as well. > >Todd Miller > StarOffice is should fit your needs pretty well. As long as you do not use it for commercial use, it is free. http://www.stardivision.com ---------------------------------------------------------- Arnold Cavazos, Jr. abcjr@southwind.net SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. ____ ___ ____ ___ ____ Dedicated Access Sales |__| |__] | | |__/ | | |__] |___ __| | \ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 17:04:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212124644; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:04:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23167; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 16:58:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23022; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.com (h132-197-8-26.gte.com [132.197.8.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23010; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jsokolov.gte.com by gte.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) Message-Id: <199805212057.QAA08766@gte.com> X-Sender: jls5@pophost.gte.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 16:53:43 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jeff Sokolov Subject: EtherJet CardBus adapters for TP600 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just ordered a TP600 today and was disappointed to find that the IBM 10/100 EtherJet CardBus Adapter is not available yet. No date was given for when it would be available. I know that 3COM, INTEL, and XIRCOM sell ethernet cardbus adapters, all for about $150 at PC Connection. Is there any reason to wait for the IBM version to become available? Has anyone had any success having one of these adapters co-exist with a 56K modem on the same machine? Thanks, Jeff ----------------------------------------------- Jeff Sokolov (jsokolov@gte.com) Service Concept Design Department GTE Laboratories Incorporated 40 Sylvan Road, MS 38 Waltham, MA 02154 (781) 466-4042 (phone) (781) 466-4035 (fax) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 18:16:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA249388966; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:16:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25641; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 18:12:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25502; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.epix.net (mx.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25488; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mohotta (clsm205-238-194ppp98.epix.net [205.238.194.98]) by mx.epix.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/1998050501/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id SAA29453 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805212212.SAA29453@mx.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-To: jt@epix.net Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:12:03 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199805210626.XAA09566@ritchie.loop.com> Subject: Re: Unix X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199805210626.XAA09566@ritchie.loop.com>, on 05/20/98 at 11:30 PM, "Paul Khoury" typed: >I suppose you might also be able to use >vi for word processing as well. Now I admit to using vi for a lot of stuff, but wp is not one of them. You seem to have a somewhat perverted sense of humor! -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Welcome to Hell. Here's your copy of Windows 95 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 18:43:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA263730616; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:43:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26794; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 18:35:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26654; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26641; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20480 invoked by uid 66); 21 May 1998 22:34:44 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 21 May 98 23:11 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Unix To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't > need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. Nope. The XL has a Cyber9385 with physical 800x600 TFT I believe (at least that's what I saw on a collegue's desk), and ESS1688 sound. Not MWave. With XFree86 3.2.2, that's a picnic. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 18:47:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA265410839; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:47:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28139; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28016; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27999; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id RAA18774 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:44:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id RAA18770 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:44:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:41:34 -0600 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:41:08 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:41:08 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_06525A84.7B1A6F09" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_06525A84.7B1A6F09 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline I also love vi....but word processing is out of the question. OUT of the question! >>> "Julian Thomas" 05/21/98 04:12pm >>> In <199805210626.XAA09566@ritchie.loop.com>, on 05/20/98 at 11:30 PM, "Paul Khoury" typed: >I suppose you might also be able to use >vi for word processing as well. Now I admit to using vi for a lot of stuff, but wp is not one of them. You seem to have a somewhat perverted sense of humor! -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. 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Now I admit to using vi for a lot of stuff, but wp is not one of them. You seem to have a somewhat perverted sense of humor! -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Welcome to Hell. Here's your copy of Windows 95 --=_06525A84.7B1A6F09-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 19:54:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA298364857; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:54:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00279; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 19:47:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00122; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Altitude.CAM.ORG (Altitude.CAM.ORG [198.168.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00100; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cam.org (Dialup-544.HIP.CAM.ORG [199.84.45.39]) by Altitude.CAM.ORG (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id TAA25112 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 19:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3564BCF2.8174A34B@cam.org> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 19:46:59 -0400 From: Richard Berdych X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560 Dead Pixels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi folks, I've been list-lurking for some months. Now it's time to come out of the shadows and join in the fray. My name's Richard. I bought my first laptop: a TP560, P133, 40M ram, 2G disk, 800x600 DSTN last September. I also have a Motorola Mariner combination ethernet/28.8 modem card and the port replicator doodad. I just love this thing. It is the cat's meow. Unfortunately, I dropped it a couple of weeks ago (ouch!). It fell about three feet and it was in my somewhat padded knapsack at the time. Stinky (as I am prone to calling it) seemed to survive the fall ok, but since then (I'm not sure if this is related or not) I've noticed dead pixels on my display. So far, I've found 15 that are definitely kaput, plus another batch of about 12 that are "ill". The batch of sickly ones is located directly opposite the trackpoint cap. The dead ones are distributed randomly. Every time I count them (pretty much daily now) I see more. I'm not sure whether I'm just paranoid or my display is really going historical. I've still got a few months of warranty left, so I'm wondering: should I try to get the screen replaced, or is this normal behaviour for DSTN displays? Anybody know what IBM's policy is on replacing displays? Does my TP have a shock detector inside it (ie: should I tell them I dropped it)? Also, my display has two horizontal marks on it, directly opposite the trackpoint buttons. They're not noticeable when the machine's on. Is this a TP560 design flaw? Suppose I can use this to argue for a new display? While I'm at it (kindly forgive my verbosity), is there a screen upgrade path available to me? I'm thinking of a 1024x768 TFT display. 800x600 just doesn't cut it for software development purposes. Ideally (please tell me if I'm dreaming) I'd like to apply the credit for a defective DSTN against the cost of upgrading to a TFT. One final thing: I seem to recall the subject of dead pixels being discussed in this list recently. I checked my "welcome to the TP list" message and it pointed me to a TP archive but I don't know how to access it. Do I have to download the entire archive to get at the old posts or is there a way to search it remotely? Any and all responses will be greatly appreciated. If you fell this subject has already been discussed to death, please e-mail my personal address directly. Thanks for putting up with my rambling, Richard berdych@cam.org PS: Thanks to all past contributors. You make this list worth subscribing to. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 20:36:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA022027383; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:36:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01802; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 20:33:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01704; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01692; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a18.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.82]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13451; Thu, 21 May 1998 17:32:52 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3564C7FD.E73BADED@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 17:34:05 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Are you saying that it might be hard to find MWave DSP2780 drivers under LINUX? James Harald Milz wrote: > > Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: > > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't > > need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. > > Nope. The XL has a Cyber9385 with physical 800x600 TFT I believe (at least > that's what I saw on a collegue's desk), and ESS1688 sound. Not MWave. With > XFree86 3.2.2, that's a picnic. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 21:16:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA040969800; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:16:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03786; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 21:13:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03664; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03645; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA25479; Thu, 21 May 1998 15:13:12 -1000 Message-Id: <001b01bd851e$e4f1b200$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Unix Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 15:13:55 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Now I admit to using vi for a lot of stuff, but wp is not one of them. >You seem to have a somewhat perverted sense of humor! Of course vi is a text editor, not a word processor, but when combined with a typesetting system like TeX it is a fine tool for producing beautiful publication-quality documents. I know many people who still use this combination (as I do when I'm working on my Sparc, though to be honest I do most of my work these days on W95 machines running TeX plus the very good PFE text editor). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 21:42:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA053631327; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:42:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04811; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 21:33:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04672; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04637; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts03.loop.net (p00.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28179; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:29:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805220129.SAA28179@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jt@epix.net" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 21 May 98 18:31:58 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unix Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:12:03 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >In <199805210626.XAA09566@ritchie.loop.com>, on 05/20/98 > at 11:30 PM, "Paul Khoury" typed: > >>I suppose you might also be able to use >>vi for word processing as well. > >Now I admit to using vi for a lot of stuff, but wp is not one of them. >You seem to have a somewhat perverted sense of humor! Well, I know of one guy on this list that has used vi for over 15 years (and you know who you are), so I assumed he might use it as a wp. Of course, you could also use QBASIC /editor as a WP, too (but that's even worse!!). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4/Server 4.0, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 21:45:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054841547; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:45:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05136; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 21:35:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04856; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04844; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980522013335.26032.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [193.214.22.49] by send1a; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:33:35 PDT Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 18:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Azad Hessamodini Reply-To: azadh@bigfoot.com Subject: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everyone, Is there a procedure on how to replace the HDD? I mean which screws to undo, etc. Cheers, Azad. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 21:45:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054881551; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:45:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04953; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 21:34:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04723; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04711; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts03.loop.net (p00.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.105]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28245; Thu, 21 May 1998 18:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805220130.SAA28245@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "h.milz@seneca.muc.de" , "os2support@theriver.com" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 21 May 98 18:33:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unix Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 17:34:05 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >Are you saying that it might be hard to find MWave DSP2780 drivers under >LINUX? Well, this is what I thought, though. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4/Server 4.0, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 22:07:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA066782841; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:07:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07379; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 22:02:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07276; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix.asb.com (unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07262; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls47.asb.com (sls47.asb.com [165.254.128.127]) by unix.asb.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16081 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:11:09 -0400 (EDT) From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: UnixWare 7.0 and Thinkpd 770? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:00:50 GMT Message-Id: <3573ca71.4133795@unix.asb.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody gotten UnixWare 7.0 running on a 770 yet? It has the mwave modem listed as an available device but the 770 isn't on the hardware compatibility list. On Thu, 21 May 98 23:11 CEST, hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) wrote about "Re: Unix": >Paul Khoury (pkhoury@loop.com) wrote: >> That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't >> need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. > >Nope. The XL has a Cyber9385 with physical 800x600 TFT I believe (at least >that's what I saw on a collegue's desk), and ESS1688 sound. Not MWave. With >XFree86 3.2.2, that's a picnic. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 23:34:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109418054; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:34:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09888; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 23:31:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09735; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.walrus.com (frog.walrus.com [206.24.16.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09722; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-extgw1.walrus.com (root@tweedledee.walrus.com [206.24.16.12]) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id XAA04003; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.walrus.com (davidc@walrus1.walrus.com [206.24.16.2]) by mail-extgw1.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id XAA04666; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (davidc@localhost) by mail2.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with SMTP id XAA08727; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:29:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: walrus1.walrus.com: davidc owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: David Carrigan To: Paul Khoury Cc: Kolob Technologies , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <199805210643.XAA10578@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If it is trident, let me know, I have RedHat Linux 5.0 with sound support... even though I MUST leave some remnant of DOS/WIN on the box :} david On Wed, 20 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:19 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: > > >> > >> Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? > > > > Thinkpad 760XL 80 Mb RAM > > > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't > need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 21 23:49:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA114938950; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:49:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10877; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 21 May 1998 23:46:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10590; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10578; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (tdl-dyn109.tdl.com [205.162.12.109]) by tdl.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA15747 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:46:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199805220346.UAA15747@tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:46:43 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: AC Adapter equivalence?? Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My ThinkPad 701 C uses an AC Adapter (P/N 04H6136=FRU04h697) which has an output of 16 volts, 1.8a. My new 380ED uses an AC Adapter (P/N 85G6709 = FRU#11J9992)which has an output of 16v, 2.2a The plugs into the computer are exactly the same. The 701C has either an NiCad or NiMh battery; the 380ED has an LiIon. You probably see the question coming: Can I use the 701C adapter on the 380ED, despite the slightly lower amperage? What are the electrical/electronic considerations here? I understand the warranty considerations should I decide to do so. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 00:12:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA127650321; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:12:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12800; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 00:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12664; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12651; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a11.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.75]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21113; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:09:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3564FAC5.DAB1859E@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:10:45 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Carrigan Cc: Paul Khoury , Kolob Technologies , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 760/770 series uses the Trident Cyber 9385/82 or Cyber 9397 chipset. James David Carrigan wrote: > > If it is trident, > let me know, I have RedHat Linux 5.0 with > sound support... even though I MUST leave > some remnant of DOS/WIN on the box :} > > david > > On Wed, 20 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:19 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? > > > > > > Thinkpad 760XL 80 Mb RAM > > > > > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't > > need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 00:12:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA127860350; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:12:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12884; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 00:10:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12697; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12684; Fri, 22 May 1998 00:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a11.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.75]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA21281; Thu, 21 May 1998 21:10:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3564FAF6.3B72362B@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 21:11:34 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Carrigan Cc: Paul Khoury , Kolob Technologies , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 760/770 series uses the Trident Cyber 9385/82 or Cyber 9397 chipset. Information is available at IBM's PC site through the following URL: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?up=%25%25q7X9J7ZCXQ7XoPURnGw;ut=%25%25dKHyBpRPR7C%25HBlqynR%26FDsZlfGzU%2Bno7NmjM9XxTAAsg.las.06.Fxi6g-EmMRUYnJ5%25a8I3vp0AxQ%25anaKVdqlug2vQFOJNGy1IGpyzU38XaSfJ2BFyd%2BLT52f.0C4xkJn3n42Isi9UHClwANzl%26u;page=IBM+ThinkPad;doctype=Product+Information#documents James David Carrigan wrote: > > If it is trident, > let me know, I have RedHat Linux 5.0 with > sound support... even though I MUST leave > some remnant of DOS/WIN on the box :} > > david > > On Wed, 20 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > On Thu, 21 May 1998 00:39:19 -0600 (MDT), Kolob Technologies wrote: > > > > >> > > >> Oh, BTW, I forgot, what machine is this all going on? > > > > > > Thinkpad 760XL 80 Mb RAM > > > > > That's a nice machine. Is the video chipset a Trident in this machine? Also, you don't > > need sound, do you? It might be tricky getting that to work. > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 01:36:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA169785383; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:36:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15059; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 01:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14912; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14896; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a11.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.75]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04725 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 22:34:04 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35650E93.D428B812@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 22:35:15 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Looking for DOCK II Hard Drive Adaptor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm looking for a slim bay hard drive installation adaptor (IBM part# 66G3538). Thanks. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 01:44:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA172805849; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:44:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15640; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 01:42:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15539; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15527; Fri, 22 May 1998 01:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA03343 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 08:42:21 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199805220542.IAA03343@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:41:30 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19980522013335.26032.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 at 06:33 PM you, Azad Hessamodini , said: >Is there a procedure on how to replace the HDD? >I mean which screws to undo, etc. Not exactly what you're looking for, but the following may help: http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/;display/category?cgmenbr=1&cgrfnbr=602 It's an exploded view of the 560 showing its parts. Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 02:42:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA203219333; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:42:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17943; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 02:39:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17842; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw.pacbell.net (mail-gw.pacbell.net [206.13.28.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17830; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valmen (ppp-206-170-32-152.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.152]) by mail-gw.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id XAA11165; Thu, 21 May 1998 23:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <35651EB5.11B6@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 23:44:05 -0700 From: Voltaire Almendrala X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Sokolov Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EtherJet CardBus adapters for TP600 References: <199805212057.QAA08766@gte.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the 3Com 10/100 CardBus Ethernet NIC/Megahertz 56K modem on my 560X and it's worked flawlessly since installation. You should have the same experience with your 600. Jeff Sokolov wrote: > Has anyone had > any success having one of these adapters co-exist with a 56K modem on > the same machine? > > Thanks, > Jeff > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 02:57:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA211060261; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:57:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18712; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 02:55:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18530; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18508; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27005; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:55:07 -1000 Message-Id: <003801bd854e$a8bc54e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Chuck Blaisdell" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: AC Adapter equivalence?? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:55:07 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The usual rule of thumb is that you should move to more amps, instead of less. However, if you keep the battery in this should serve as a buffer and it should work OK. The above paragraph is for entertainment value only, and should not be construed as advice; in particular, I disclaim all responsibility for any damage that might result from following it! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Blaisdell To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:49 PM Subject: AC Adapter equivalence?? My ThinkPad 701 C uses an AC Adapter (P/N 04H6136=FRU04h697) which has an output of 16 volts, 1.8a. My new 380ED uses an AC Adapter (P/N 85G6709 = FRU#11J9992)which has an output of 16v, 2.2a The plugs into the computer are exactly the same. The 701C has either an NiCad or NiMh battery; the 380ED has an LiIon. You probably see the question coming: Can I use the 701C adapter on the 380ED, despite the slightly lower amperage? What are the electrical/electronic considerations here? I understand the warranty considerations should I decide to do so. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 02:57:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA211100262; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18709; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 02:55:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18532; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18507; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA27002; Thu, 21 May 1998 20:54:24 -1000 Message-Id: <003701bd854e$a7c9b780$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Chuck Blaisdell" , Subject: Re: AC Adapter equivalence?? Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 20:51:55 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The usual rule of thumb is that you should move to more amps, instead of less. However, if you keep the battery in this should serve as a buffer and it should work OK. The above paragraph is for entertainment value only, and should not be construed as advice; in particular, I disclaim all responsibility for any damage that might result from following it! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Blaisdell To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 5:49 PM Subject: AC Adapter equivalence?? My ThinkPad 701 C uses an AC Adapter (P/N 04H6136=FRU04h697) which has an output of 16 volts, 1.8a. My new 380ED uses an AC Adapter (P/N 85G6709 = FRU#11J9992)which has an output of 16v, 2.2a The plugs into the computer are exactly the same. The 701C has either an NiCad or NiMh battery; the 380ED has an LiIon. You probably see the question coming: Can I use the 701C adapter on the 380ED, despite the slightly lower amperage? What are the electrical/electronic considerations here? I understand the warranty considerations should I decide to do so. Thanks. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 05:21:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277398895; Fri, 22 May 1998 05:21:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27890; Fri, 22 May 1998 05:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 05:20:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27360; Fri, 22 May 1998 05:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27259; Fri, 22 May 1998 05:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980522092125.15014.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.66.214.103] by send1c; Fri, 22 May 1998 02:21:25 PDT Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 02:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul R. Remlinger" Subject: TP380XD with HPA To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I currently do not own a ThinkPad, but I have worked with them and really think they are great machines. Within the next month I will be buying my first ThinkPad. Right now, I'm thinking about buying the 380XD with the HPA screen ($1999). I was wondering if anybody on this list has had any experience with this particular model 26358AU? Right now I have enough money budgeted to buy the 380XD, but I was wondering if I should budget a little longer and go with the model with the TFT screen (about $600 more)? Just how good are the HPA screens? I tested one out at Circuit City and thought that it was pretty good, but I wasn't able to test it out with video and games. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Paul Remlinger _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 06:18:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA001472293; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:18:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00897; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 06:17:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00813; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00799; Fri, 22 May 1998 06:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (jherrero@sol-13-73.swissonline.ch [194.209.13.73]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22642 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:16:06 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: jherrero@swissonline.ch Message-Id: <35655E10.3B5D4C3C@swissonline.ch> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:14:24 +0200 From: Jose Ignacio Herrero Organization: Philip Morris Corporate Services Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on external Syjet disk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am trying to install Linux on my Thinkpad but running directly on a external SCSI Syjet drive without using the laptop's HD. The problem is that when I boot the Redhat Linux CD from DOS the installation program doesn't see my SCSI HD. I am using an Adaptec SlimSCSI 1450 card. Has anybody experience in a similar installation? Thanks, Jose I. Herrero From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 07:12:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA025055543; Fri, 22 May 1998 07:12:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02020; Fri, 22 May 1998 07:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 07:11:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01931; Fri, 22 May 1998 07:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01919; Fri, 22 May 1998 07:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:10:38 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:10:36 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Richard Berdych Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels In-Reply-To: <3564BCF2.8174A34B@cam.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998, Richard Berdych wrote: > Also, my display has two horizontal marks on it, directly > opposite the trackpoint buttons. They're not noticeable when the > machine's on. Is this a TP560 design flaw? Yes. This has been noticed by quite a lot of people and it might be sufficient to get a replacement screen. I have been told that this problem is gone in more recent machines. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 09:44:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA092084668; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:44:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07001; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06862; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06845; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA15831 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD8566.16F5FC60@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:35 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD8566.16F5FC60@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: AC Adapter equivalence?? Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:33 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you keep the battery in and it is charged. If you try to operate the laptop and charge the battery at the same time, then I see smoke signals on the horizon. LER's (light emitting resistors) and SED's (smoke emitting diodes) are not fun in laptops... you're talking about 5 watts rated difference. 5 watts of heat are quite a lot - keep the adapter well cooled. incidentally, is that the 701 adapter with the fold-out prongs? I really liked the size of it, but when mine died, they gave me a bigger one that additionally requires a standard power cable. but it is rated at 2A, I believe. i'll trade you... above doesn't apply if you always carry around a spare laptop, of course. axel On Friday, May 22, 1998 2:51 AM, David Ross wrote: %The usual rule of thumb is that you should move to more amps, instead of %less. However, if you keep the battery in this should serve as a buffer and %it should work OK. % %The above paragraph is for entertainment value only, and should not be %construed as advice; in particular, I disclaim all responsibility for any %damage that might result from following it! % %David A. Ross [...] %My ThinkPad 701 C uses an AC Adapter (P/N 04H6136=FRU04h697) which has %an output of 16 volts, 1.8a. % %My new 380ED uses an AC Adapter (P/N 85G6709 = FRU#11J9992)which has %an output of 16v, 2.2a % %The plugs into the computer are exactly the same. The 701C has either %an NiCad or NiMh battery; the 380ED has an LiIon. % %You probably see the question coming: Can I use the 701C adapter on %the 380ED, despite the slightly lower amperage? What are the %electrical/electronic considerations here? I understand the warranty %considerations should I decide to do so. ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 10:51:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA124178717; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:51:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11420; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 10:50:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11303; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11290; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hseaman.execpc.com (indobok-60.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.87.60]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.8.8) id JAA04008 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:50:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805221450.JAA04008@mailgw02.execpc.com> From: "Harry Seaman" To: Subject: trackpoint caps for 750C Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:50:33 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know a cource for trackpoint caps? I'd prefer the rubber one instead of the "cats tounge" type. thanks harry seaman hseaman@execpc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 11:04:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA128549443; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:04:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12162; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 11:03:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12071; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email.uah.edu (email.uah.edu [146.229.1.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12058; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eb.uah.edu (ebs330.eb.uah.edu [146.229.4.1]) by email.uah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08283; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:02:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from kilby.uah.edu by eb.uah.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA06804; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:52:57 -0500 Received: by kilby.uah.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA22188; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:44:11 -0500 From: hskim@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim) Message-Id: <199805221444.JAA22188@kilby.uah.edu> Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels To: eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Christoph Eyrich) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:44:11 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Christoph Eyrich" at May 22, 98 01:10:36 pm Reply-To: hskim@computer.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Also, my display has two horizontal marks on it, directly > > opposite the trackpoint buttons. They're not noticeable when the > > machine's on. Is this a TP560 design flaw? > > Yes. This has been noticed by quite a lot of people and it might > be sufficient to get a replacement screen. I have been told that this > problem is gone in more recent machines. Do you mean the thick horizontal lines across the whole screen? I've noticed twe lines whenever I boot my TP765D after purchasing. Hyong-Shik From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 11:44:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA145421875; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:44:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14097; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 11:43:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13979; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13967; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25187; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:43:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.182.1]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA25175; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:43:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980522113612.00a7b690@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:36:12 -0400 To: hskim@computer.org, Richard Berdych From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199805221444.JAA22188@kilby.uah.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:44 AM 5/22/98 -0500, Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim wrote: >Do you mean the thick horizontal lines across the whole screen? >I've noticed twe lines whenever I boot my TP765D after purchasing. > No, he's talking about two physical indentations where the mouse buttons press into the screen. As far as I know, it only happened on the early TP560's. It's a known problem, and EasyServ shouldn't give you any grief about fixing it even if the warranty is expired (which it probably is). Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 12:27:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA162274474; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:27:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16883; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 12:26:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16791; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16773; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop (slip129-37-196-41.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.41]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA92790 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:26:40 GMT Message-Id: <3565B4C7.4436@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:24:23 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP365XD Memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I own a TP 365XD and have recently purchased a 32M memory upgrade for it. That brings the total RAM to 40M which is supposedly the max for this machine. While browsing the Web site of the manufacturer of the RAM I bought, I notice that they offer a 64M upgrade for the TP380. The packaging that contained the 32M upgrade says it can be used for the following TP's: 380, 580, 760, 365XD. My question is, can I use the 64M RAM upgrade in my 365XD? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 13:03:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA178786625; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:03:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19085; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 13:03:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18991; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.58.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18969; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bharat (ppp-207.115.42.95.prodigy.net [207.115.42.95]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11884; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:57:26 -0400 From: "Bharat Patel" To: , Subject: Re: 755cd Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:59:08 -0400 Message-Id: <005001bd85a2$ef78a7e0$5f2a73cf@bharat> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Instead of spending money on the Car charger..go ahead and buy Car A/C D/C charger. you will save money and same time that converter can be used for connecting your other electronics .. i bought one for my TP 755CD and it didn't work and wasted 40.00 bucks on it and than for fifty dollars i bought the converter and now i can hookup my tv video, camera and other electronics in the car ... Floppy drives are hard to find for this model ..been looking for myself for long time but no luck ..so i m using Laplink to transfer files Regards Brian -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Jones To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, May 21, 1998 4:53 PM Subject: 755cd >Thanks for using NetForward! >http://www.netforward.com >v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v > >Hello, > >Just to introduce myself to the list. Made a great deal on the 755CD on >which I run Win-95. >Does anyone have a spare car adapter plug and an external 1.44 drive for >sale? > >Again hello from sunny Florida. > > Thinkpad 755cd >9545-9bd >100mhz > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 14:17:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215341055; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23853; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23676; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23629; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial8.waterw.com (dial8.waterw.com [209.107.20.23]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27838 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805221815.OAA27838@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Linux on external Syjet disk Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <35655E10.3B5D4C3C@swissonline.ch> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 22 May 98 at 13:14, Jose Ignacio Herrero wrote: > I am using an Adaptec SlimSCSI 1450 card. Has anybody experience in a similar > installation? I use the same card (although an NEC OEM one). You have to load the SCSI drivers and the Cardsoft drivers in your config.sys and autoexec.bat files before the drive can be recognized. You should have received all of the required software with your card. If not, you can download them from Adaptec's web site: http://www.adaptec.com/support/ or from their ftp: ftp://ftp.adaptec.com/pub/BBS/ Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 14:17:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215331055; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23850; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23632; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23619; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial8.waterw.com (dial8.waterw.com [209.107.20.23]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27841 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805221815.OAA27841@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:17:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980522113612.00a7b690@pop.mindspring.com> References: <199805221444.JAA22188@kilby.uah.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 22 May 98 at 11:36, Jane Loyless wrote: > No, he's talking about two physical indentations where the mouse buttons > press into the screen. As far as I know, it only happened on the early > TP560's. The early 720 and 720C units had a similar problem with the Trackpoint. When the display was closed, the cap made a permanent indentation in the screen. > It's a known problem, and EasyServ shouldn't give you any grief about > fixing it even if the warranty is expired (which it probably is). They'll give you a lot of grief about the 720s also, but if you push the envelope, they'll fix them. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 14:34:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA222302095; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:34:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25095; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 14:34:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25016; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25003; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Fri, 22 May 1998 11:34:04 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: , Subject: TP floppies .....again ;-} Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:40:24 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd85b1$155c0660$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My VERY ...VERY Good deed for the Day (grin). BG Micro 1-800-276-2206 http://www.bgmicro.com page 17 of the catalog. Laptop Drive $12.50 External !!!! NOTE this is a DELL Unit and you will have to replace the cable that comes with it and make or buy IBM's cable. BUT it does work and it's very cheap. I don't know right now which cable the 755 uses but it's one of these : ;-} If you do not have the cable for a TP701 you have to buy the cable P.N. 04H6916 from IBM at 800-388-7080. If you do not have the cable for a TP560 you have to buy the cable P.N. 39F2077 from IBM at 800-388-7080. If you do not have the cable for a TP760 you have to buy the cable P.N. 25H4879 from IBM at 800-388-7080. Check out http://www.pc.ibm.com/thinkpad for general information. http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/de2a.html 1-888-411-1WEB to speak with a Shop IBM representative. The DELL unit has the EXACT same connector on the drive as all IBM units. i.e. the 500 ,the 510, the 730t's the 365's the .... The Floppy drives were all similar; .electrically the same but different cosmetics. With all these units the only difference was in the cable to the computer or docking station. The reason for this, is that IBM is run by a bunch of morons . The real reason is that different lines are built by different divisions and these people are morons (grin). I can't believe that something so stupid can actually happen. Rumor has it that one of the New thinkpads ...560X /56e may use a different floppy. ...peter.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 15:12:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA237584349; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:12:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26852; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 15:10:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26661; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26641; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p08.hwts09.loop.net (p08.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.53]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA06849; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805221909.MAA06849@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Chuck Blaisdell" Date: Fri, 22 May 98 07:57:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: AC Adapter equivalence?? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 20:46:43 +0000, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: >My ThinkPad 701 C uses an AC Adapter (P/N 04H6136=FRU04h697) which has >an output of 16 volts, 1.8a. > >My new 380ED uses an AC Adapter (P/N 85G6709 = FRU#11J9992)which has >an output of 16v, 2.2a > >The plugs into the computer are exactly the same. The 701C has either >an NiCad or NiMh battery; the 380ED has an LiIon. > >You probably see the question coming: Can I use the 701C adapter on >the 380ED, despite the slightly lower amperage? What are the >electrical/electronic considerations here? I understand the warranty >considerations should I decide to do so. > I think you would need the extra power for the 380ED, as it has a faster CPU and a Li-ION battery, so the 701's adapter probably wouldn't be suffiecient, but you could probably go the other way around. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 15:12:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA237624350; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:12:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26849; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 15:11:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26700; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26643; Fri, 22 May 1998 15:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p08.hwts09.loop.net (p08.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.53]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA06874; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:09:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805221909.MAA06874@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Chuck Blaisdell" , "David Ross" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 22 May 98 08:02:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: AC Adapter equivalence?? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 20:51:55 -1000, David Ross wrote: >The usual rule of thumb is that you should move to more amps, instead of >less. However, if you keep the battery in this should serve as a buffer and >it should work OK. > >The above paragraph is for entertainment value only, and should not be >construed as advice; in particular, I disclaim all responsibility for any >damage that might result from following it! While I'm at it, the same would go for my description. If the 701 adapter actually powers it on, it's probably not meeting suffient "power" (being the AMPS), so you could run into some problems there. I have a similiar problem with 2 portable printers (Canon BJ10e), except I can't use them, because my AC adapters aren't even CLOSE to the required 2.5 amps (at least this is what the Radio Shack guy told me). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 16:18:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA255868284; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:18:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01075; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 16:16:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00947; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00935; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMORTENSEN@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FPPUa02232 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:15:27 -0400 (EDT) From: RMORTENSEN Message-Id: <989a3863.3565dce0@aol.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:15:27 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Fri, 22 May 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubcribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 16:36:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA259109394; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:36:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01979; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 16:35:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01890; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01872; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA15412 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16605; Fri, 22 May 98 16:37:24 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA00154 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:37:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <001b01bd851e$e4f1b200$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998, David Ross wrote: > >Now I admit to using vi for a lot of stuff, but wp is not one of them. > >You seem to have a somewhat perverted sense of humor! > > Of course vi is a text editor, not a word processor, but when > combined with a typesetting system like TeX it is a fine tool > for producing beautiful publication-quality documents. I know > many people who still use this combination (as I do when I'm Someone coming from a WYSIWYG environment probably won't be very happy with TeX or LaTeX. TeX uses the programmer's paradigm of code, compile, and execute. In TeX, you write, compile (run TeX or LaTeX), and view. Plus you have to insert all the formatting commands by hand. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 17:01:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA262780914; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:01:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03301; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 17:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03215; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quickturn.com (antigone.quickturn.com [208.210.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03203; Fri, 22 May 1998 17:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sanjose.quickturn.com (fw-screen.quickturn.com [208.210.16.1]) by quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA17987; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exp9 (exp9.quickturn.com [172.17.30.41]) by sanjose.quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id OAA00406; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Liu Received: by exp9 (SMI-8.6) id OAA19091; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:01:00 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:01:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199805222101.OAA19091@exp9> To: azadh@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at IBM's online hardware manuals: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/cdt/hmm.html Go to the 560 manual and click on "FRU removals and replacements." There are pictures/descriptions on how to remove the frame and then how to replace the hard drive. This is a pretty good resource for anyone fiddling with their machines. - justin > Hi everyone, > > Is there a procedure on how to replace the HDD? > I mean which screws to undo, etc. > > Cheers, > Azad. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 22 18:51:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277717512; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:51:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08822; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 22 May 1998 18:49:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08631; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08610; Fri, 22 May 1998 18:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA00907; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:48:48 -1000 Message-Id: <005701bd85d3$e36850a0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: Unix Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:49:31 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Someone coming from a WYSIWYG environment probably won't be very >happy with TeX or LaTeX. Well, I moved *to* TeX *from* a WYSIWYG technical word processor (T3), and I personally know dozens of mathematicians who have done the same (which means there must be legions of them!). The reason is simply that TeX gives much more control over what's on the page than normal word processors, and produces more beautiful output. (For mathematics, there is really no substitute.) The extra typing (for formatting commands) is really no more than the fiddling you have to do in a program like Word, especially if one is using LaTex2e, a good text editor, and a good wrapper (EmTeXGI, TeTeX, etc.) so that the compile/view/print/edit operations are all pushbutton. With modern computers the compile/preview cycle is so fast that it is *almost* WYSIWYG. For pedestrian tasks like letter-writing, I sometimes use Word and sometimes use LaTeX, and neither takes noticeably more time than the other. There are also WYSIWYG front ends for TeX (e.g., Scientific Word) for people who prefer such, but they won't run on Linux (which is where I think this discussion began). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 01:46:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA034972382; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17095; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 01:44:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16988; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16976; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10444; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356663E1.55C955AF@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:51:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: wankerl@ibm.net Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Memory for TP365XD References: <356041AA.22A5@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Vernon.. nope.. won't work.. Vernon Wankerl wrote: > I have a TP 365XD which I am very fond of. I have upped its memory to > 40meg recently, but when I did so I noticed that the 32 meg card could > also be used in a 380 or 580 or 760. Looking further at the > manufacturer's Web site, I see they have a 64meg card for these same > models. My question is, can I put a 64meg memory card into my 365XD and > have a full 72meg of RAM available? -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 01:47:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA035042422; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:47:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17202; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17125; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17097; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA10614; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3566643B.F11A4C95@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 01:52:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Fredholm Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP360c MB -- replace w/TP750c ??? References: <199805180348.XAA07567@mercury.mv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't know of anyone who has tried such a swap.. please let us all know if you're successful.. :-) Ken Fredholm wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to replace a TP360c system board > with that of a TP750c ? I have been looking unsuccessfully for a 360c MB > but may have located a TP750 MB and they appear to be very similar. All > connectors seem to be located in the same place and the physical > attributes appear identical, but I don't know if the electrical > connections are compatible. The pictorials in the technical manuals look > promising, but of course IBM changed all the part numbers of the mating > hardware. Has anyone ever tried this ?? > > Ken in Hudson, NH -- Bill Morrow http://thinkpads.com bill@nospam@thinkpads.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 01:58:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036043099; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:58:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17967; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 01:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17886; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17874; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA11918; Sat, 23 May 1998 01:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356666EA.13C38F5A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 02:04:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: joneswy@worldnet.att.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cd References: <19980121003645.AAA11411@hp-customer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Wayne.. the external floppy requires a port replicator or a dock-1 or 2 when used with a 755CD.. i have a couple or car adapters, but they are for the 701 and the round plug machines.. the 755CD requires the older power plug.. Wayne Jones wrote: > Hello, > > Just to introduce myself to the list. Made a great deal on the 755CD on > which I run Win-95. > Does anyone have a spare car adapter plug and an external 1.44 drive for > sale? > > Again hello from sunny Florida. > > Thinkpad 755cd > 9545-9bd > 100mhz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 02:08:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038943733; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:08:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18497; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 02:08:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18417; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18400; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA22101; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35666960.530513F4@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 02:14:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Berdych Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels References: <3564BCF2.8174A34B@cam.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Richard.. Richard Berdych wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've been list-lurking for some months. Now it's time to come out of the shadows and join in the fray. > > My name's Richard. I bought my first laptop: a TP560, P133, 40M ram, 2G disk, 800x600 DSTN last September. I also have a > Motorola Mariner combination ethernet/28.8 modem card and the port replicator doodad. I just love this thing. It is the cat's > meow. > > Unfortunately, I dropped it a couple of weeks ago (ouch!). It fell about three feet and it was in my somewhat padded knapsack > at the time. Stinky (as I am prone to calling it) seemed to survive the fall ok, but since then (I'm not sure if this is > related or not) I've noticed dead pixels on my display. > > So far, I've found 15 that are definitely kaput, plus another batch of about 12 that are "ill". The batch of sickly ones is > located directly opposite the trackpoint cap. The dead ones are distributed randomly. Every time I count them (pretty much > daily now) I see more. I'm not sure whether I'm just paranoid or my display is really going historical. > > I've still got a few months of warranty left, so I'm wondering: should I try to get the screen replaced, or is this normal > behaviour for DSTN displays? Anybody know what IBM's policy is on replacing displays? Does my TP have a shock detector inside > it (ie: should I tell them I dropped it)? > do NOT admit that stinky took a leap of faith..this is a REAL nono.. if he even LOOKS like he had a close encounter with the sidewalk, forget about IBM replacing even a DS display.. > Also, my display has two horizontal marks on it, directly opposite the trackpoint buttons. They're not noticeable when the > machine's on. Is this a TP560 design flaw? Suppose I can use this to argue for a new display? > you might..there HAVE been cases of trackpoint caps too close to the display.. > While I'm at it (kindly forgive my verbosity), is there a screen upgrade path available to me? I'm thinking of a 1024x768 TFT > display. 800x600 just doesn't cut it for software development purposes. Ideally (please tell me if I'm dreaming) I'd like to > apply the credit for a defective DSTN against the cost of upgrading to a TFT. > we'll excuse your verbosity if you'll excuse 'our' meaningless drivel.. :-)AND.. Dream-on... at least you'll have a pleasant dream to reflect upon and you look at a non-TFT display.. you will be fortunate if they buy you the DS display.. also, they are different sizes, but the entire top lid would be swapped, not merely the display.. > One final thing: I seem to recall the subject of dead pixels being discussed in this list recently. I checked my "welcome to > the TP list" message and it pointed me to a TP archive but I don't know how to access it. Do I have to download the entire > archive to get at the old posts or is there a way to search it remotely? > > Any and all responses will be greatly appreciated. If you fell this subject has already been discussed to death, please > e-mail my personal address directly. > > Thanks for putting up with my rambling, > thanks for putting up with my meaningless drivel and useless blather.. :-) > Richard > berdych@cam.org > > PS: Thanks to all past contributors. You make this list worth subscribing to. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), IBM WorkPad FAT32 & Win95B & Win98-RC1 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 02:13:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA039284001; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:13:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18940; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 02:12:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18849; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18831; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA07858; Sat, 23 May 1998 02:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35666A6F.182A28CC@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 02:19:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: azadh@bigfoot.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions References: <19980522013335.26032.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Azad.. another user pointed you to the IBM online hardware manuals.. they are very helpful.. i can only add that there are one or two longer screws on the bottom of the 560.. be sure that you mark where they go when reassembling.. also, be sure that you address whatever new HDD you're using.. newer HDD's will not require a jumper on the drive select pins.. Azad Hessamodini wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Is there a procedure on how to replace the HDD? > I mean which screws to undo, etc. > > Cheers, > Azad. > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), IBM WorkPad FAT32 & Win95B & Win98-RC1 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 03:23:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA047598215; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:23:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21157; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 03:21:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20918; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20882; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts03.loop.net (p04.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.109]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA26625; Sat, 23 May 1998 00:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805230719.AAA26625@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim" , "hskim@computer.org" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 23 May 98 00:20:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Do you mean the thick horizontal lines across the whole screen? >I've noticed twe lines whenever I boot my TP765D after purchasing. It could be a defect of the LCD itself. My last LCD on my ThinkPad had two annoying vertical lines (one blue, one red) around the top left corner that never went away, and a new display cured this. If you don't mind missing the machine, you might consider sending it to Easyserve. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 03:23:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA047608216; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:23:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21154; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 03:21:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20934; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20906; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts03.loop.net (p04.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.109]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA26904; Sat, 23 May 1998 00:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805230720.AAA26904@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Harry Seaman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 23 May 98 00:22:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: trackpoint caps for 750C Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 22 May 1998 09:50:33 -0500, Harry Seaman wrote: >Does anyone know a cource for trackpoint caps? I'd prefer the rubber one >instead of the "cats tounge" type. I'm not sure if you can get the old ones (also called the Trackpoint II), because I heard that sulfer (or something) would chip off and cause errors when using the TrackPoint. You might be able to try the Toshiba ones, but I think the color would clash too much. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 03:26:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA047788374; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:26:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21619; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 03:25:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21500; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21337; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts03.loop.net (p04.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.109]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA27181; Sat, 23 May 1998 00:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805230723.AAA27181@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Date: Sat, 23 May 98 00:25:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP floppies .....again ;-} Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 22 May 1998 11:40:24 -0700, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: >My VERY ...VERY Good deed for the Day (grin). >BG Micro 1-800-276-2206 >http://www.bgmicro.com >page 17 of the catalog. >Laptop Drive $12.50 External !!!! >NOTE this is a DELL Unit and you will have to replace the cable that comes >with it and make or buy IBM's cable. >BUT it does work and it's very cheap. >I don't know right now which cable the 755 uses but it's one of these : ;-} One thing, though, with my own testing, I have found that the floppy drive model the 701 uses does NOT work with that from my 355 (which is also present in the 360, maybe the 750, and some models of the 755), but I don't know if this applies to the 755CD. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 03:34:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049188886; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:34:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22482; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 03:33:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22327; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22295; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26890 invoked by uid 66); 23 May 1998 07:33:23 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 23 May 98 00:01 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Unix To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > The 760/770 series uses the Trident Cyber 9385/82 or Cyber 9397 chipset. Wait - there are many different 760 models. The 760EL with the 800x600 DSTN for example has a 9320. The TFT models have a 9382 or 9385. Only the 770 has a 9397. In therms of XFree86 support, "big difference" is an understatement. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 03:34:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049228887; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:34:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22479; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 03:33:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22324; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22294; Sat, 23 May 1998 03:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26884 invoked by uid 66); 23 May 1998 07:33:22 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 22 May 98 23:58 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Unix To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > Are you saying that it might be hard to find MWave DSP2780 drivers under > LINUX? Not quite. It's impossible because none exist. There's a workaround, however. See http://www.muc.de/~hm/linux/thinkpad.html. The page is oriented towards the 760EL but the MWave trick should work there as well. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 08:50:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA078787823; Sat, 23 May 1998 08:50:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03155; Sat, 23 May 1998 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 08:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03008; Sat, 23 May 1998 08:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02996; Sat, 23 May 1998 08:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA27024; Sat, 23 May 1998 06:48:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 06:48:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: Paul Khoury Cc: Christoph Eyrich , "Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim" , "hskim@computer.org" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels In-Reply-To: <199805230719.AAA26625@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What is address of EasyServe? > new display cured this. If you don't mind missing the machine, you might consider sending > it to Easyserve. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 12:21:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA099360512; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:21:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06417; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 12:20:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06330; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email.uah.edu (email.uah.edu [146.229.1.200]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06318; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eb.uah.edu (ebs330.eb.uah.edu [146.229.4.1]) by email.uah.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21087; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:20:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: by eb.uah.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02333; Sat, 23 May 1998 11:10:41 -0500 From: hskim@ebs330.eb.uah.edu (Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim) Message-Id: <199805231610.LAA02333@eb.uah.edu> Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels To: pkhoury@loop.com Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 11:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199805230719.AAA26625@stevie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at May 23, 98 00:20:39 am Reply-To: hskim@computer.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21-h4] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > > > >Do you mean the thick horizontal lines across the whole screen? > >I've noticed twe lines whenever I boot my TP765D after purchasing. > > It could be a defect of the LCD itself. My last LCD on my ThinkPad had two annoying > vertical lines (one blue, one red) around the top left corner that never went away, and a > new display cured this. If you don't mind missing the machine, you might consider sending > it to Easyserve. I don't mind missing the machine, only if I have a hope of getting better one. :) But I am still wondering whether the lines could be considered as a defect. Actually, those thick lines faded out. After that, everything seems good. Any comment will be greatly appreciated. Hyong-Shik From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 12:45:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA100991908; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:45:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07368; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 12:44:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07289; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07241; Sat, 23 May 1998 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p25.hwts04.loop.net (p25.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.160]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA27366; Sat, 23 May 1998 09:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805231641.JAA27366@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Raybay" Cc: "Christoph Eyrich" , "Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim" , "hskim@computer.org" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 23 May 98 09:39:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 23 May 1998 06:48:47 -0600 (MDT), Raybay wrote: >What is address of EasyServe? > I'm not sure, but you should call The Help Center first at 1-800-772-2227, and schedule for an Easyserve box to be shipped out to you. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 13:32:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA107274750; Sat, 23 May 1998 13:32:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08556; Sat, 23 May 1998 13:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 13:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08463; Sat, 23 May 1998 13:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08451; Sat, 23 May 1998 13:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a44.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.44]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21908; Sat, 23 May 1998 10:28:47 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35670797.82D31816@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 10:29:59 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unix References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harald Milz wrote: > > James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > > The 760/770 series uses the Trident Cyber 9385/82 or Cyber 9397 chipset. > > Wait - there are many different 760 models. The 760EL with the 800x600 > DSTN for example has a 9320. The TFT models have a 9382 or 9385. Only > the 770 has a 9397. In therms of XFree86 support, "big difference" is an > understatement. You are not kidding. I think that XFree86 supports all of these chipsets (kudos to Trident for allowing the XFree folks access to required information.) I'm still looking at putting Linux on my second drive and working with it for a while. CD-ROM offers FreeBSD, SlackWare and RedHat on a self-booting CD. Any suggestions? James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 23 23:21:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA169320119; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:21:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17299; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 23 May 1998 23:17:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17089; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17077; Sat, 23 May 1998 23:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 133.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.133]) by mtigwc05.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with SMTP id AAA25842 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:16:29 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 03:16:26 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <35678fd7.19127083@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <19980522013335.26032.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> In-Reply-To: <19980522013335.26032.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:33:35 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >Is there a procedure on how to replace the HDD? >I mean which screws to undo, etc. As everyone has stated, you can browse the IBM HMMs at the web site above. I prefer to download them, where they can be read, skimmed, and printed at leisure myself. If you want, go to ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles and download them. The one I have with the 560 and other models is file name tpvol3.pdf. You'll need Acrobat's reader to view it, and it's about 7MB. The procedure looks fairly simple (page 309). You have to remove 14 screws in the base, flip the unit over and remove the keyboard frame (the part with the LEDs and wrist-rest), and the drive is right there. Bill is right, there are 12 little screws and two long ones, but the diagrams mention which go where. Let us know how it goes! epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 00:33:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175884430; Sun, 24 May 1998 00:33:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19312; Sun, 24 May 1998 00:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 00:29:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19211; Sun, 24 May 1998 00:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19178; Sun, 24 May 1998 00:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RMORTENSEN@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14.1) id FMUAa21205 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT) From: RMORTENSEN Message-Id: <3c3001ba.3567a20e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 00:29:00 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsuscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu see ya in the fall From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 03:05:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA194353501; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:05:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21937; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 02:59:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21750; Sun, 24 May 1998 02:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21738; Sun, 24 May 1998 02:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (181.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.181]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA05859; Sun, 24 May 1998 02:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3567C6D3.237409D4@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 03:05:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Raybay Cc: Paul Khoury , Christoph Eyrich , "Dr. Hyong-Shik Kim" , "hskim@computer.org" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Pixels References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Easy serve is in memphis, TN.. i just sent a 770 in for a simple hinge and paint repair.. they sent me TWO boxes.. BOTH of which fell apart.. (the sling portion).. so i had to tape one up and hope the machine would arrive OK.. Raybay wrote: > What is address of EasyServe? > > > new display cured this. If you don't mind missing the machine, you might consider sending > > it to Easyserve. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), IBM WorkPad FAT32 & Win95B & Win98-RC1 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 03:12:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA194963942; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:12:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22609; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 03:07:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22357; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22345; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (181.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.181]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA06534; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3567C8D2.37210740@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 03:14:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Paul R. Remlinger" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP380XD with HPA References: <19980522092125.15014.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. Paul R. Remlinger wrote: > Hello, > > I currently do not own a ThinkPad, but I have worked with them and > really think they are great machines. Within the next month I will be > buying my first ThinkPad. Right now, I'm thinking about buying the > 380XD with the HPA screen ($1999). I was wondering if anybody on this > the 380 series is supposed to be pretty good.. > list has had any experience with this particular model 26358AU? Right > now I have enough money budgeted to buy the 380XD, but I was wondering > if I should budget a little longer and go with the model with the TFT > i would not personally ever have a DS (or FRSTN or HPA display)..TFT is the only way to go.. i would seek out a used machine.. save $$ and get the TFT in the bargain.. > screen (about $600 more)? Just how good are the HPA screens? I > tested one out at Circuit City and thought that it was pretty good, > but I wasn't able to test it out with video and games. Any help would > be appreciated. Thanks. > HPA, et al., are slow.. you will not like it with fast moving graphics.. > Paul Remlinger > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 04:26:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA205178386; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:26:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26977; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 04:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26853; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26841; Sun, 24 May 1998 04:23:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates (ts1p5.ro.com [205.216.92.25]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA31524 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 03:23:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199805240823.DAA31524@sh1.ro.com> Date: Sun, 24 May 98 03:16:20 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWave install on OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been trying to reinstall the MWave drivers on OS/2, on a 765D. I uninstalled and reinstalled MMOS2 to recover from an attempt to regain the ability to record video with realtime compression. The failed attempt to get realtime video compression indirectly killed the MWave modem. Using the MWave install program, I have regained sound, but not the modem. The install program notices that I have MWave drivers already installed, even if I remove all the files and directories where the MWave drivers were first installed. It then proceeds to install the drivers, but stops abruptly without any message after (according to its status indicator) it finishes with the first install disk. There are two disks, and the second has the modem install. How can I get the modem to work again? -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup Future author of: "How to be Ruler of the Universe in 21 Days" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 09:55:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA237148141; Sun, 24 May 1998 09:55:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04749; Sun, 24 May 1998 09:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 09:52:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04644; Sun, 24 May 1998 09:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (uhbhic.uhb.fr [192.134.240.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04631; Sun, 24 May 1998 09:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb1342.uhb.fr (cb1342.uhb.fr [192.134.240.31]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2.9.1) with SMTP id PAA02335 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:52:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <3568A528.14D5@uhb.fr> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 15:54:32 -0700 From: sylvestre X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (770ED) - Is EIDE Hard drive fast enough for video capture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm planning to buy a Thinkpad 770ED, but I've been told that only SCSI hard drives are fast enough to capture video. Since video capture and playback is the only reason why I've decided to buy so expansive a machine, I was wondering if anyone experienced any problem with video capture rate/quality on a 770. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 12:35:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253197747; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:35:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07905; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 12:32:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07805; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07784; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25194 invoked by uid 66); 24 May 1998 16:31:31 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 May 98 18:16 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Q: Determine Docking Status in W95 ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, does any kind soul know how I can determine the docking status under Windows95? I want to start some of the apps in the Autostart folder depending on whether the Thinkpad is docked or not (namely the ADSM client). It would be OK if there were some command I could use in a BAT file. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 12:36:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253247777; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:36:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08045; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 12:33:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07912; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07783; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25188 invoked by uid 66); 24 May 1998 16:31:29 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 May 98 13:46 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Unix To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James Mckenzie (os2support@theriver.com) wrote: > I'm still looking at putting Linux on my second drive and working with > it for a while. CD-ROM offers FreeBSD, SlackWare and RedHat on a > self-booting CD. Any suggestions? Are you asking _me_? Go check my news headers :-) BTW I never recommend Slackware. I've heard too many complaints especially from Linux beginners. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 14:41:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270405276; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:41:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10210; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 14:38:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10091; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10079; Sun, 24 May 1998 14:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p17.hwts12.loop.net (p17.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.152]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA14948 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805241836.LAA14948@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 23 May 98 20:35:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP700T Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know much about this machine, or have one? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 15:54:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281199667; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:54:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11699; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 15:51:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11606; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box.hacom.nl (root@box.hacom.nl [193.67.233.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11593; Sun, 24 May 1998 15:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn096-amf.hacom.nl (dyn096-amf.hacom.nl [193.67.233.96]) by box.hacom.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06449 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 21:54:47 +0200 Message-Id: <199805241954.VAA06449@box.hacom.nl> From: "Arjen Meijer" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:51:45 -0200 Reply-To: "Arjen Meijer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Sun, 24 May 1998 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 24 May 1998 12:15:07 -0400 (EDT), owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU wrote: Make your path short. A tip from www.thinkpad.com. It worked for me. I had the same problem. Arjen The install program notices that I have MWave drivers already installed, even if I remove all the files and directories where the MWave drivers were first installed. It then proceeds to install the drivers, but stops abruptly without any message after (according to its status indicator) it finishes with the first install disk. There are two disks, and the second has the modem install. How can I get the modem to work again? __________________________________________ Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 24 16:51:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA288243110; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:51:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15096; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 24 May 1998 16:49:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14970; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14919; Sun, 24 May 1998 16:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10679 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 22:48:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 24 May 98 22:48:54 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 24 May 98 22:48:39 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA (132.187.248.180) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 24 May 98 22:48:32 +0200 From: "Alexaner Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 22:48:55 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MPEG on OS/2 Message-Id: <1BB27BF7EC3@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Yesterday I tried some MPEG's form NASA to run on my 760XD. Unfortunately I only get a green screen in the MPEG-Window (opening in the proper size) and that's it. No error or video. Any hints about that? I can use the same MPEGs on my workstation, but not on the ThinkPad. So I think the videos are OK. But what's wrong then. The "delivered" MPEG (rocketlaunch) works as well on the TP. Seems to be a bit starnge... -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 25 00:10:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054979422; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:10:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28652; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 25 May 1998 00:01:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28255; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28182; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial4.waterw.com (dial4.waterw.com [209.107.20.19]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA06129 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 00:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805250400.AAA06129@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 00:03:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Q: Determine Docking Status in W95 ? Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 24 May 98 at 18:16, Harald Milz wrote: > does any kind soul know how I can determine the docking status under > Windows95? I want to start some of the apps in the Autostart folder > depending on whether the Thinkpad is docked or not (namely the ADSM > client). It would be OK if there were some command I could use in a BAT > file. Thanks! No need to mess with batch files. Right click on "My Computer", click on "Properties". Then click on "Hardware Profiles". Copy your "Original Configuration" setting and rename it to something like "Docked". You can then set up the computer with the proper docking drivers and save the configuration in the "Docked" setting. When you boot the system you'll be presented with a selection to choose from, Docked, Original (which I've renamed Undocked), etc. I have 4 configurations on my 755, docked with ethernet support, undocked with ethernet support, undocked with dial-up support and undocked with external CD support. You can select whichever configuration should be your default (such as docked) and set it to automatically load without input by you after a set period of time after booting. Regards, James James H. E. Maugham, V.P. Share the Technology Computer Recycling Project http://www.libertynet.org/~share From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 25 15:02:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154452927; Mon, 25 May 1998 15:02:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23055; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 25 May 1998 14:24:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22305; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22291; Mon, 25 May 1998 14:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (tdl-dyn84.tdl.com [205.162.12.84]) by tdl.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09757 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 11:24:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199805251824.LAA09757@tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:22:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 380 and FRSTN (was TP380XD with HPA) Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <3567C8D2.37210740@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 24 May 98 at 3:14, Bill Morrow wrote: > the 380 series is supposed to be pretty good.. I can confirm that it is indeed a pretty good machine; I've had my 380ED about two weeks now (166mmx, 2.1gb, 16mb ram) and it is fast (even with just 16mb) , the keyboard is superb. Model number is 26355au. (It's one of the ones with a $200 rebate from IBM, which makes the price very nice) > > >..., but I was wondering > > if I should budget a little longer and go with the model with the TFT > > > i would not personally ever have a DS (or FRSTN or HPA display). Mine is the FRSTN type. I had a 701C active previously. Yes, the 380ED is a little less "crisp" and fast than a TFT, but the dual scan technology in this one is world's better than the older IBM dual scans. I have no complaints about it so far. YMMV. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon May 25 17:45:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180212758; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:45:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28577; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 25 May 1998 17:27:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28309; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28297; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19104 invoked by uid 66); 25 May 1998 21:26:48 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 25 May 98 23:19 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Q: Determine Docking Status in W95 ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu James H. E. Maugham (CaptJHEM@waterw.com) wrote: > You can select whichever configuration should be your default (such as docked) > and set it to automatically load without input by you after a set period of > time after booting. That's not what I want to achieve. I want to find out which profile is active (i.e. whether it's docked or not) prior to starting specific applications (not drivers) in the background (well such a thing doesn't exist in W95 but let me put it that way...). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 26 15:34:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA060721266; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:34:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21228; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 26 May 1998 15:24:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20692; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdems.ge.com (root@crdems.GE.COM [192.35.44.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20674; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from winterrant1crdge.crd.ge.com by crdems.ge.com (5.65/GE 1.77) id AA03842; Tue, 26 May 98 15:21:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 770E, SelectaBase 770, & Dock II Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: John Interrante Date: 26 May 1998 15:21:07 -0400 Message-Id: Lines: 21 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thank you, Jeff Jackowski, James McKenzie, and Bill Morrow for answering my question whether I could use a 32MB or 64MB module to increase my ThinkPad 760EL's memory. I ended up ordering the Apricorn 32MB memory module from a mail order company for $75 shipped and it should arrive this week. I've also been thinking about replacing the 760EL itself with a ThinkPad 770E after even newer and faster models have driven the price down in a few months (the 760EL would make a nice gift for my mother, who sure could use it in her teaching job :-). However, I'm using my ThinkPad 760EL at work (my company had a spare Dock II with keyboard and monitor that no one was using) and I'd like to know whether the 770E (either by itself or inside the SelectaBase 770) is compatible with the Dock II. If I bought the 770E, would I be able to keep using the Dock II at work? John -- John Interrante, Computer Scientist, Information Technology Laboratory GE Corporate Research & Development, Niskayuna NY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 26 18:39:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA092462361; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:39:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29589; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 26 May 1998 18:37:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29433; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29417; Tue, 26 May 1998 18:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28481 invoked by uid 66); 26 May 1998 22:36:23 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 26 May 98 22:53 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770E, SelectaBase 770, & Dock II To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-Signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-No-Archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John Interrante (interran@crd.GE.COM) wrote: > with the Dock II. If I bought the 770E, would I be able to keep using > the Dock II at work? No way. The layout of the back is entirely different. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue May 26 19:09:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA097234143; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:09:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00848; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 26 May 1998 19:07:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00759; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00747; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-003-dpm1.cia-g.com [207.66.82.67]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20194; Tue, 26 May 1998 17:06:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <356B4B04.D97FCA44@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:06:44 -0600 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: lorenzo@ariel.jimani.com Organization: Dry Creek Consultants X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Interrante Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770E, SelectaBase 770, & Dock II References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu According to IBM literature, the 770 is not compatible with the base, but the new 770 base (whatever it is called) is supposedly compatible with the selectadock... I haven't see the docking system for the 770 so I don't know. You can find out by going to the matrix on the IBM Thinkpad website. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 07:54:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA202740049; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:54:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23825; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 07:50:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23684; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23672; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:50:06 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 13:50:06 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Technical Reference for the TP600 (600tech.pdf) contains the following paragraph: Cacheable Address Space Cacheable address space is defined as system memory that resides on the system board (0 640 KB and 1 MB 256 MB). Cacheability of system memory is up to 64 MB for Pentium or 512 MB for Pentium II in the L2 cache. Nothing in address range hex A0000 BFFFF, I/O address space, or memory in any AT slot is cached. As far as I know, upgrading RAM beyond the cacheability limit severely impairs system performance. There are reports that system performance decreases by about 40% (in this case: PII, upgrade from 512MB to 640MB). Am I right that there is no point in using more than 64MB RAM in the MMX model? If so, this should also be true for the TP560 - which takes up to 96MB. Any comments? Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 08:07:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA203590878; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:07:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24482; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 08:06:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24404; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24392; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA20695 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 07:05:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805271205.HAA20695@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Received: from mol-il1-17.ix.netcom.com(205.184.148.49) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020663; Wed May 27 07:04:53 1998 X-Sender: oam@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 06:59:48 -0500 To: Thinkpad Users From: John Carmody Subject: Thinkpad/Windows 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm wondering if other Thinkpad users have tried the Windows 98 beta and experienced problems with suspend/hybernation. My Thinkpad 760ED works great with Windows 98, with that one hitch. Do you know if IBM will be coming out with some update to make the Thinkpad function properly? Thanks very much for your input! -- John Carmody oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 10:03:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218297819; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:03:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28707; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 09:59:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28497; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28485; Wed, 27 May 1998 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id IAA09228; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:56:51 -0500 Message-Id: <356C1C5C.500FF841@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.252]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 27 May 1998 13:59:14 UT Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:59:56 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a 770 with a Pentium MMX 233 and 96MB. It doesn't seem to be impaired at all. I didn't use it with the original 64MB configuration very long, and when I did it was with Win95 (I quickly changed to NT4), so there's no basis for comparison. Maybe I'll take out one of the 32MB chips for a day and check it out. I'd be interested in hearing from other people on this issue... Later, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christoph Eyrich wrote: > The Technical Reference for the TP600 (600tech.pdf) contains the > following paragraph: > > Cacheable Address Space Cacheable address space is defined as system > memory that resides on the system board (0 640 KB and 1 MB 256 MB). > Cacheability of system memory is up to 64 MB for Pentium or 512 MB for > Pentium II in the L2 cache. Nothing in address range hex A0000 BFFFF, I/O > address space, or memory in any AT slot is cached. > > As far as I know, upgrading RAM beyond the cacheability limit severely > impairs system performance. There are reports that system performance > decreases by about 40% (in this case: PII, upgrade from 512MB to 640MB). > > Am I right that there is no point in using more than 64MB RAM in the > MMX model? If so, this should also be true for the TP560 - which takes > up to 96MB. > > Any comments? > > Regards > > Christoph Eyrich > > eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 10:13:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219648416; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:13:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29815; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 10:11:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29735; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29721; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA08374; Wed, 27 May 98 10:09:51 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <356C1EAE.68E1597D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:09:50 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell Cc: Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? References: <356C1C5C.500FF841@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I didn't do any scientific comparisons, but I didn't notice any big slow down going from 32MB to 96MB with either Win95 or Linux on a 233MHz MMX 770 (9549-1AU). It certainly didn't get 40% slower! --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 10:32:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA222259567; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:32:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01668; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01585; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01572; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08549; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:29:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:29:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: I Lee Hetherington Cc: Rob Bell , Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? In-Reply-To: <356C1EAE.68E1597D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No, of course not. That's not how it works. But you may have noticed a speed difference in a heavy duty graphics or mathmatical calculation series. Or in a long series of processes in a large database. Or networking, sound, and many other intensive operations. > I didn't do any scientific comparisons, but I didn't notice any big slow > down going from 32MB to 96MB with either Win95 or Linux on a 233MHz MMX > 770 (9549-1AU). It certainly didn't get 40% slower! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 10:37:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA222799875; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:37:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02115; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 10:35:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02023; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02011; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA08734; Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:35:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: John Carmody Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Thinkpad/Windows 98 In-Reply-To: <199805271205.HAA20695@dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have you tried re-installing the Thinkpad software? I have the 98 beta on my desktop, but have not added to the Thingpad... now thanks to your info, I don't think I will > I'm wondering if other Thinkpad users have tried the Windows 98 beta and > experienced problems with suspend/hybernation. My Thinkpad 760ED works > great with Windows 98, with that one hitch. Do you know if IBM will be > coming out with some update to make the Thinkpad function properly? Thanks > John Carmody From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 11:13:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA229432034; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:13:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04521; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 11:09:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04381; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04367; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA08833; Wed, 27 May 98 11:06:37 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <356C2BFD.CB6B3EBD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:06:37 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Raybay Cc: Rob Bell , Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > No, of course not. That's not how it works. But you may have noticed > a speed difference in a heavy duty graphics or mathmatical calculation series. > Or in a long series of processes in a large database. Or networking, sound, > and many other intensive operations. I know how it works. I said it was informal, and I wasn't just talking about zooming the pointer around the screen either. I was including a floating-point and memory intensive speech recognition system running in Linux in that informal speed comparision. I'm not quite sure what I said that was so wrong. I just ran a more scientific experiment in Linux with a 770 with 96MB vs. 64MB. (I simulated 64MB by telling Linux that it only had 64MB.) I ran the same program, and this program is banging on about 8MB. It took 33.0s with 64MB and 37.8s with 96MB. (These were the average of three runs on an unloaded system.) That seems to indicate a slowdown (for this program with this OS) of about 15% increasing memory above the 64MB cacheable limit. I do not know where the Linux kernel or the user program run in memory (above or below the cacheable limit). I also do not know the memory layout of Windows with respect to the cacheable limit. Of course, this slowdown could be a speedup if the additional memory eliminated virtual memory swapping or increased disk caching, so as with most things, YMMV. --Lee Hetherington PS: I am glad the Pentium II systems do not suffer from this silly more memory = slowdown syndrome. Silly Intel with their Pentium chipsets. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 11:25:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231862712; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:25:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05738; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 11:22:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05630; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05611; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13881; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10476; Wed, 27 May 98 10:40:59 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA00266; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:40:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 27 May 1998, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > Cacheable Address Space Cacheable address space is defined as system > memory that resides on the system board (0 640 KB and 1 MB 256 MB). > Cacheability of system memory is up to 64 MB for Pentium or 512 MB for > Pentium II in the L2 cache. Nothing in address range hex A0000 BFFFF, I/O > address space, or memory in any AT slot is cached. > > As far as I know, upgrading RAM beyond the cacheability limit severely > impairs system performance. There are reports that system performance > decreases by about 40% (in this case: PII, upgrade from 512MB to 640MB). > > Am I right that there is no point in using more than 64MB RAM in the > MMX model? If so, this should also be true for the TP560 - which takes > up to 96MB. The amount of cacheable RAM is determined by the chipset of the motherboard, not the CPU (well the CPU has it's own limit, but it was 4 gigabytes for the 386 so the Pentiums can probably handle more :-). And even if you have more than the cacheable amount, most smart OSes let you use the excess as a great big disk cache. If your OS doesn't allow that, you can always use it as a RAM disk. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 11:31:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA232553066; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:31:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06447; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 11:28:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06342; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06329; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04442; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15518; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256611.00555757 ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:32:09 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: John Carmody Cc: Thinkpad Users Message-Id: <85256611.0054415C.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:23:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Thinkpad/Windows 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Part of the problem is in Win98. There was a fix for the 770 on the Beta 3 CD, but it didn't work too well. Dunno about the 760... One the RC0 build it hangs trying to go into Suspend/Standby mode.... Hope the GA is better... -Bill John Carmody on 05/27/98 07:59:48 AM To: Thinkpad Users cc: Subject: Thinkpad/Windows 98 I'm wondering if other Thinkpad users have tried the Windows 98 beta and experienced problems with suspend/hybernation. My Thinkpad 760ED works great with Windows 98, with that one hitch. Do you know if IBM will be coming out with some update to make the Thinkpad function properly? Thanks very much for your input! -- John Carmody oam@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 12:15:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240815757; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:15:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09474; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 12:11:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09264; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09247; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:10:57 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (ad07-080.arl.compuserve.com [199.174.134.80]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id MAA19683 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980527120759.00830e80@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:07:59 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Unix In-Reply-To: <199805220129.SAA28179@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:31 PM 5/21/98 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >Well, I know of one guy on this list that has used vi for over 15 years >(and you know who you are), so I assumed he might use it as a wp. I don't think I'm the person Paul had in mind, but I have been using vi for at least 15 years. During the early part of that period, I was known to edit troff text formatting language, and produced nice documents with the combination. Even then, I preferred to use Emacs for text editing, including MINCE on CP/M-80 (Mince Is Not Complete Emacs) along with its companion, Scribble (subset of Scribe). In any case, I have not done any of that sort of thing (vi/troff) in over five years. Although I now use a fancy W95 based word processor (one I hate, since hardly anyone uses Lotus Word Pro), I still use vi (from MKS toolkit) for editing nearly any plain text file on my PCs. I've downloaded a Win32 version of GNU Emacs that just needs some of my time for installation. On UNIX systems, I tend to use vi (since it's always there), but prefer to use GNU Emacs. BTW, fancy windowing word processors are certainly easier, but I am not convinced that I have any greater level of control over the finished product. -- Ron. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 12:37:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA244617039; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:37:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11177; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11050; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11038; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 765d (user-38lcalh.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.42.177]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15171; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199805271635.MAA15171@camel8.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:36:38 -0400 To: From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Thinkpad/Windows 98 Cc: Thinkpad Users In-Reply-To: <85256611.0054415C.00@mta2.lotus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The problem with the 760ED is the MWave DSP drivers, which are not compliant with the latest power management specifications. If you go to device manager, and disable the DSP, suspend will work OK. IBM will have to provide an update. The 770 had a problem with the Ultrabay hot-swap driver, but the newest version of the driver, from IBM's web site, fixes it, and suspend works OK. Regards, Richard At 11:23 AM 5/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >Part of the problem is in Win98. There was a fix for the 770 on the Beta 3 >CD, but it didn't work too well. Dunno about the 760... One the RC0 build >it hangs trying to go into Suspend/Standby mode.... Hope the GA is >better... > >-Bill > > > > > >John Carmody on 05/27/98 07:59:48 AM > >To: Thinkpad Users >cc: >Subject: Thinkpad/Windows 98 > > > > >I'm wondering if other Thinkpad users have tried the Windows 98 beta and >experienced problems with suspend/hybernation. My Thinkpad 760ED works >great with Windows 98, with that one hitch. Do you know if IBM will be >coming out with some update to make the Thinkpad function properly? Thanks >very much for your input! >-- >John Carmody >oam@ix.netcom.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 13:26:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA253829984; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:26:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13617; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 13:23:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13460; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from serv05.slac.stanford.edu (SERV05.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13448; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slac.stanford.edu ("port 1039"@[134.79.24.37]) by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #23033) with ESMTP id <01IXIWH1C1WA000CPM@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 27 May 1998 10:23:14 PDT Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:21:41 -0700 From: Bob Cowles Subject: Re: Thinkpad/Windows 98 To: Raybay Cc: Thinkpad Users Message-Id: <356C4BA5.2776A939@slac.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have experienced the same problem with Win98 Beta on a 760CD. I haven't tried reinstalling the TP software yet ... I keep hoping to look at IBM's support pages but I kep gettingan error message when I try to access the matrix. Bob Cowles Raybay wrote: > Have you tried re-installing the Thinkpad software? > > I have the 98 beta on my desktop, but have not added to the Thingpad... now > thanks to your info, I don't think I will > > > I'm wondering if other Thinkpad users have tried the Windows 98 beta and > > experienced problems with suspend/hybernation. My Thinkpad 760ED works > > great with Windows 98, with that one hitch. Do you know if IBM will be > > coming out with some update to make the Thinkpad function properly? Thanks > > John Carmody From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 13:29:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA254460171; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:29:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13952; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 13:26:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13850; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13820; Wed, 27 May 1998 13:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id MAA19836; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:24:10 -0500 Message-Id: <356C4CF2.A8A116CB@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.252]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 27 May 1998 17:26:32 UT Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:27:14 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Users Subject: Questions about 770 with NT References: <199805271635.MAA15171@camel8.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A couple of questions for anyone with experience running NT 4.0 Workstation on ThinkPads, especially the 770: - Is there an NT equivalent to the ThinkPad's Win95 power utility program that automatically discharges and recharges the battery? - Is it possible to make NT automatically power down the PC upon a WinNT shutdown? I know about the standard WinNT registry key for this, but apparently I need a different BIOS or power management driver to make this work? - When using the 770 UltraBay 2nd hard drive adapter, is there a way to hook up the CD-ROM drive externally? I have several extra hard drives from my previous 760EL with different operating systems on them that I boot up occasionally, but I have a need to use CDs with them as well. The floppy drive works externally, why not the CD? Thanks, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 14:53:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271125206; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:53:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18470; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 14:50:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18330; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18302; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw3-33.ncal.verio.com [207.21.129.224]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA21117 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 11:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805271850.LAA21117@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 11:49:55 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: 770ED...NT4.0 vs Win95/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello All, I'm about to order a new 770ED and would like to run NT4.0 instead of Win95 (or have dual-boot option)...just waiting to hear back from the distributor (CDW) if the 770ED is available with NT4.0 or not. I know the 770E version is available with NT4.0, but it isn't clear if NT4.0 is available for the 770ED. IBM's web site mentions NT4.0 several times on the 770ED page, but only lists a model which ships with Win95 installed. I know I can buy the new 770ED with Win95 installed and install NT4.0 myself (with dual-boot), but I'm concerned about the drivers I would need to run various peripheral multi-media functions (i.e. IR, DVD, enhanced video, etc.). If I do install NT4.0 on the 770ED myself, will I be able to get these extra NT drivers from IBM or are they only available installed at the factory? If NT4.0 is not available (yet) on the 770ED, it seems to make more sense to buy the 770E version with NT4.0 already installed and then add the extra ED peripherals later (i.e. DVD, enhanced video, etc.). I would appreciate any comments or suggestions before I make this big purchase. Thanks. Regards, --sandy sandy1@ncal.verio.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 15:07:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273006062; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:07:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19438; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 15:05:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19351; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19336; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA18791; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356C6415.5C23FF41@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:05:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell Cc: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Questions about 770 with NT References: <199805271635.MAA15171@camel8.mindspring.com> <356C4CF2.A8A116CB@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rob.. i have not tried NT on any of my 770's.. BUT, that having been said, here are some answers (i reserve the right to change these upon learning how foolish one or more may be) Rob Bell wrote: > A couple of questions for anyone with experience running NT 4.0 Workstation on > ThinkPads, especially the 770: > > - Is there an NT equivalent to the ThinkPad's Win95 power utility program that > automatically discharges and recharges the battery? > there is, yes..NT4 is supported on the 'lesser' 770's (13.3TFT, no DVD or Mwave, etc) and these machines DO use batteries.. so the power applet is there.. but the discharge/charge option does not seem to be present.. > - Is it possible to make NT automatically power down the PC upon a WinNT > shutdown? I know about the standard WinNT registry key for this, but apparently > I need a different BIOS or power management driver to make this work? i THINK NT did on the last machine i loaded it on, which was a 760XD..but now i'm not so sure.. > > > - When using the 770 UltraBay 2nd hard drive adapter, is there a way to hook up > the CD-ROM drive externally? I have several extra hard drives from my previous > 760EL with different operating systems on them that I boot up occasionally, but > I have a need to use CDs with them as well. The floppy drive works externally, > why not the CD? > not the IBM 770 type CD..why not use your HDD in the drive bay.. ? > Thanks, > Rob > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Rob Bell > Senior Consultant, CPD Professional > CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN > rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 15:24:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA275897087; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:24:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20802; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 15:23:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20704; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20642; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id OAA26061; Wed, 27 May 1998 14:19:59 -0500 Message-Id: <356C6816.3860F928@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.252]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 27 May 1998 19:22:21 UT Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:23:02 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED...NT4.0 vs Win95/98 References: <199805271850.LAA21117@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently got a 770 with Win95 and immediately upgraded to NT 4.0 (doing exactly what you seem to want). The process was quite painless overall. The only part that took a while was figuring out what disk partition setup to use (on a 4.0GB drive) for NT's data and system areas. Nothing specific to the 770. Here is a link to a valuable IBM web page that shows the appropriate drivers for each subsystem: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/483e.html. I'm assuming your experience with a 770ED will be similarly easy because all drivers I used for the 770 have 770ED counterparts. If you would like any other specific tips or need some troubleshooting for your upgrade please drop me a note. HTH, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sandy Meltzer wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm about to order a new 770ED and would like to run NT4.0 instead of Win95 > (or have dual-boot option)...just waiting to hear back from the distributor > (CDW) if the 770ED is available with NT4.0 or not. I know the 770E version > is available with NT4.0, but it isn't clear if NT4.0 is available for the > 770ED. IBM's web site mentions NT4.0 several times on the 770ED page, but > only lists a model which ships with Win95 installed. > > I know I can buy the new 770ED with Win95 installed and install NT4.0 > myself (with dual-boot), but I'm concerned about the drivers I would need > to run various peripheral multi-media functions (i.e. IR, DVD, enhanced > video, etc.). If I do install NT4.0 on the 770ED myself, will I be able to > get these extra NT drivers from IBM or are they only available installed at > the factory? > > If NT4.0 is not available (yet) on the 770ED, it seems to make more sense > to buy the 770E version with NT4.0 already installed and then add the extra > ED peripherals later (i.e. DVD, enhanced video, etc.). > > I would appreciate any comments or suggestions before I make this big > purchase. Thanks. > > Regards, > > --sandy > sandy1@ncal.verio.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 15:48:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA280208487; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:48:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22533; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 15:42:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22351; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22332; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA01043; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356C6CC4.918ACA64@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:43:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Cowles Cc: Raybay , Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Thinkpad/Windows 98 References: <356C4BA5.2776A939@slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The hibernate/suspend bug is well known on thinkpads and win98.. up through RC-2.. the gold disk cures this.. there IS a fix, but i forgot what it is.. i'll find it and post it.. Bob Cowles wrote: > I have experienced the same problem with Win98 Beta on a 760CD. I haven't tried > reinstalling the TP software yet ... I keep hoping to look at IBM's support pages > but I kep gettingan error message when I try to access the matrix. > Bob Cowles > > Raybay wrote: > > > Have you tried re-installing the Thinkpad software? > > > > I have the 98 beta on my desktop, but have not added to the Thingpad... now > > thanks to your info, I don't think I will > > > > > I'm wondering if other Thinkpad users have tried the Windows 98 beta and > > > experienced problems with suspend/hybernation. My Thinkpad 760ED works > > > great with Windows 98, with that one hitch. Do you know if IBM will be > > > coming out with some update to make the Thinkpad function properly? Thanks > > > John Carmody -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 16:03:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283379390; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:03:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24049; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 15:58:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23800; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23762; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA06484; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356C7070.5CF2068A@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:58:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770E, SelectaBase 770, & Dock II References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The SelectaBase 770 is compatible with the SelectaDock-1, 2 & 3 The SelectaBase, ditto except for the SD-3 (not sure, never seen one) The Dock-2 is compatible with the 750,755 and to varying degrees with the 760 series.. The Dock-1 is ditto.. Harald Milz wrote: > John Interrante (interran@crd.GE.COM) wrote: > > with the Dock II. If I bought the 770E, would I be able to keep using > > the Dock II at work? > > No way. The layout of the back is entirely different. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 16:06:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA283969598; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:06:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24569; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 16:03:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24348; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24312; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:03:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23276; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06775; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256611.006E76FE ; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:06:34 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Sandy Meltzer Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <85256611.006D6B09.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:55:34 -0400 Subject: Re: 770ED...NT4.0 vs Win95/98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The DVD is not supported on NT.... -Bill Sandy Meltzer on 05/27/98 02:49:55 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: 770ED...NT4.0 vs Win95/98 Hello All, I'm about to order a new 770ED and would like to run NT4.0 instead of Win95 (or have dual-boot option)...just waiting to hear back from the distributor (CDW) if the 770ED is available with NT4.0 or not. I know the 770E version is available with NT4.0, but it isn't clear if NT4.0 is available for the 770ED. IBM's web site mentions NT4.0 several times on the 770ED page, but only lists a model which ships with Win95 installed. I know I can buy the new 770ED with Win95 installed and install NT4.0 myself (with dual-boot), but I'm concerned about the drivers I would need to run various peripheral multi-media functions (i.e. IR, DVD, enhanced video, etc.). If I do install NT4.0 on the 770ED myself, will I be able to get these extra NT drivers from IBM or are they only available installed at the factory? If NT4.0 is not available (yet) on the 770ED, it seems to make more sense to buy the 770E version with NT4.0 already installed and then add the extra ED peripherals later (i.e. DVD, enhanced video, etc.). I would appreciate any comments or suggestions before I make this big purchase. Thanks. Regards, --sandy sandy1@ncal.verio.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 16:14:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA286460085; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:14:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25462; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 16:11:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25270; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25256; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (232.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.232]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA10893; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356C7383.2C3B4A47@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:11:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington Cc: Raybay , Rob Bell , Christoph Eyrich , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? References: <356C2BFD.CB6B3EBD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some good answers in this thread.. also note: in a thinkpad, you want to reduce HDD activity.. increase battery life.. and so on.. the 64meg cache limit has been tossed around for a while, and the consensus was: "it depends".. :-) more memory is always good, IF........ i was told that win95 uses memory from the top down.. ok if you have 64megs.. and the cache will handle 64megs.. if you have 128megs and win95 and it DOES use it from the top down, then it will be slower.. and so on.. the degradation was determined to be about 5%... the speed increase when using a ram disk or no swap file, etc. MAY be equal to the slowdown when using more memory.. so many details, so little time.. :-) I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > No, of course not. That's not how it works. But you may have noticed > > a speed difference in a heavy duty graphics or mathmatical calculation series. > > Or in a long series of processes in a large database. Or networking, sound, > > and many other intensive operations. > > I know how it works. I said it was informal, and I wasn't just talking about > zooming the pointer around the screen either. I was including a floating-point > and memory intensive speech recognition system running in Linux in that informal > speed comparision. I'm not quite sure what I said that was so wrong. > > I just ran a more scientific experiment in Linux with a 770 with 96MB vs. 64MB. > (I simulated 64MB by telling Linux that it only had 64MB.) I ran the same > program, and this program is banging on about 8MB. It took 33.0s with 64MB and > 37.8s with 96MB. (These were the average of three runs on an unloaded system.) > > That seems to indicate a slowdown (for this program with this OS) of about 15% > increasing memory above the 64MB cacheable limit. I do not know where the Linux > kernel or the user program run in memory (above or below the cacheable limit). > I also do not know the memory layout of Windows with respect to the cacheable > limit. > > Of course, this slowdown could be a speedup if the additional memory eliminated > virtual memory swapping or increased disk caching, so as with most things, YMMV. > > --Lee Hetherington > > PS: I am glad the Pentium II systems do not suffer from this silly more memory = > slowdown syndrome. Silly Intel with their Pentium chipsets. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 19:45:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA028052722; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:45:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02823; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 19:43:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02698; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02685; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA04402; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:43:23 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980527164217.01e73210@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:42:17 To: Bill Morrow From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770E, SelectaBase 770, & Dock II Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <356C7070.5CF2068A@icanect.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:58 PM 5/27/98 -0400, you wrote: >The SelectaBase 770 is compatible with the SelectaDock-1, 2 & 3 >The SelectaBase, ditto except for the SD-3 (not sure, never seen one) SelectaBase works fine with the SelectaDock3 - both the SD2 and SD3 work with the 765D (I have a SD-2 which I use in the lab with a IEEE-488 PCI card and a SD-3 in my office with a PCI Ethernet card). >The Dock-2 is compatible with the 750,755 and to varying degrees with the >760 series.. Dock-2 does not work with the 765D (the 765D is too deep). Stuart >The Dock-1 is ditto.. > > > >Harald Milz wrote: > >> John Interrante (interran@crd.GE.COM) wrote: >> > with the Dock II. If I bought the 770E, would I be able to keep using >> > the Dock II at work? >> >> No way. The layout of the back is entirely different. > > > >-- >Happy Trails... :-) >** Bill Morrow ** >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad >Win95B & Win98-RC2 > > > > Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 19:52:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029663172; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:52:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03305; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 19:52:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03226; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from serv05.slac.stanford.edu (SERV05.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03213; Wed, 27 May 1998 19:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slac.stanford.edu ("port 1064"@[134.79.24.37]) by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-10 #23033) with ESMTP id <01IXJA1XV4GK000DKC@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 27 May 1998 16:51:55 PDT Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:51:39 -0700 From: Bob Cowles Subject: Re: Thinkpad/Windows 98 To: Richard Chalk Cc: Thinkpad Users Message-Id: <356CA70A.59EC590@slac.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center X-Envelope-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199805271635.MAA15171@camel8.mindspring.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I tried disabling the MWave DSP on my 760CD with Windows98 Beta and after rebooting, sure enough I was able to get the machine to suspend. The bad news was that the network connection on the PCMCIA Eternet card did not come back. Bob Cowles Richard Chalk wrote: > The problem with the 760ED is the MWave DSP drivers, which are not > compliant with the latest power management specifications. If you go to > device manager, and disable the DSP, suspend will work OK. IBM will have > to provide an update. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed May 27 23:08:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA061374925; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:08:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08928; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 27 May 1998 23:06:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08790; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (mailer2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08760; Wed, 27 May 1998 23:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vanderbilt.edu ([129.59.9.228]) by mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/VU2.2) with ESMTP id WAA07609; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:05:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <356B7AA9.54ADFE26@vanderbilt.edu> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:30:02 +0800 From: Ruby Lestari X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: shelby@netten.net Cc: kglp@cia-g.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: <355E0A78.3AF50CB8@theriver.com> <3.0.1.32.19980517103203.00a6f7c8@netten.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi... i have a thinkpad 760ED too.... what is all this BIOs about..?? i never know that..... lruby shelby@netten.net wrote: > Hi Ray, thanks a million for your offer. How many pages? Happy to send you > a check or money order. > > Lets make sure we're talking about the correct manual, my stats are: > > ThinkPad 760 9546-U3A > ThinkPad 760ED*P133, 16MB, 1.2GB, 12.1 TFT, MPEG > > Do you know what the "ED" refers to, as opposed to 760CD, etc. I assume > different models of the 760 are they like good, better and best? VBG > > This is the info I recd back from IBM Personal Computing Support when I > registered and entered my Serial number. > > I assume that IBM would send correct info? > > When I purchased the laptop it had 48 megs of RAM & a 750 HD, > interchangeable CD ROM Drive & 1.44 floppy. > It works great. I am using WIN98 beta 3, converted FAT to 32. > > Look forward to hearing from you, > > Larose Wynne > shelby@netten.net > > I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > >> > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > >> > >> Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com > >> This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > > > >Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > >mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > >either... although they fit nicely in the space. > > > >I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement > >postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. > > > >Ray > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 00:04:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071898245; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:04:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10736; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 00:02:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10623; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10610; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a21.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.21]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27310; Wed, 27 May 1998 21:02:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <356CE216.1275C306@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:03:34 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ED...NT4.0 vs Win95/98 References: <199805271850.LAA21117@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at the Thinkpad page at IBM. http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad Found the following model numbers come with NT 4.0 Workstation loaded: Part Number: 954831U and 954852U James Sandy Meltzer wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm about to order a new 770ED and would like to run NT4.0 instead of Win95 > (or have dual-boot option)...just waiting to hear back from the distributor > (CDW) if the 770ED is available with NT4.0 or not. I know the 770E version > is available with NT4.0, but it isn't clear if NT4.0 is available for the > 770ED. IBM's web site mentions NT4.0 several times on the 770ED page, but > only lists a model which ships with Win95 installed. > > I know I can buy the new 770ED with Win95 installed and install NT4.0 > myself (with dual-boot), but I'm concerned about the drivers I would need > to run various peripheral multi-media functions (i.e. IR, DVD, enhanced > video, etc.). If I do install NT4.0 on the 770ED myself, will I be able to > get these extra NT drivers from IBM or are they only available installed at > the factory? > > If NT4.0 is not available (yet) on the 770ED, it seems to make more sense > to buy the 770E version with NT4.0 already installed and then add the extra > ED peripherals later (i.e. DVD, enhanced video, etc.). > > I would appreciate any comments or suggestions before I make this big > purchase. Thanks. > > Regards, > > --sandy > sandy1@ncal.verio.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 01:26:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA085683207; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:26:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13617; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 01:25:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13532; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13520; Thu, 28 May 1998 01:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts06.loop.net (p07.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.202]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA04748 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 22:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805280521.WAA04748@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 27 May 98 13:41:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Unix Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 27 May 1998 12:07:59 -0400, Ron Heiby wrote: >At 06:31 PM 5/21/98 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >>Well, I know of one guy on this list that has used vi for over 15 years >>(and you know who you are), so I assumed he might use it as a wp. > >I don't think I'm the person Paul had in mind, but I have been using vi for >at least 15 years. I was actually referring to Christian Carey. During the early part of that period, I was known to >edit troff text formatting language, and produced nice documents with the >combination. Even then, I preferred to use Emacs for text editing, >including MINCE on CP/M-80 (Mince Is Not Complete Emacs) along with its >companion, Scribble (subset of Scribe). In any case, I have not done any of >that sort of thing (vi/troff) in over five years. > >Although I now use a fancy W95 based word processor (one I hate, since >hardly anyone uses Lotus Word Pro), I still use vi (from MKS toolkit) for >editing nearly any plain text file on my PCs. I've downloaded a Win32 >version of GNU Emacs that just needs some of my time for installation. On >UNIX systems, I tend to use vi (since it's always there), but prefer to use >GNU Emacs. > So I suppose that emacs and xemacs would be a suitable word processor for Linux? I guess I was WAY off suggesting vi. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 07:58:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130486687; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:58:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27137; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 07:56:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26965; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26953; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts3p245.port.net (usrts3p245.port.net [207.237.106.245]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA20222 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 07:55:57 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: nt Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:55:57 -0400 Message-Id: <356d4fd2.768647@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Given the recent discussions of NT 4, I'm wondering if I should install it on my TP 560 (133mhz, 40mb ram). I'm currently using win95. Will NT provide more performance? Stability (win95 rarely crashes)? Battery life? Is there some other benefit? If I decide to try NT, would more ram (72mb v. 40mb) make a noticeable difference? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 08:25:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA135818337; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:25:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28164; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 08:24:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28087; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from custsrv1.vitts.com (custsrv1.vitts.com [208.7.161.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28070; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com ([208.7.172.8]) by custsrv1.vitts.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-49776U700L100S0) with SMTP id AAA10721; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:24:47 -0400 Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for www.summa4.com [208.7.161.33]) with SMTP; 28 May 1998 12:24:47 UT Received: from hal.summa4.com (kend@hal.summa4.com [10.1.1.13]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA13597; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: richard Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: nt In-Reply-To: <356d4fd2.768647@mail.interport.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, more RAM would make a difference, the performance would depend on the application you're running, and I do NOT suggest it if you're happy with '95. '95 has its limitations, Lord knows, but NT 4.0 is virtually brain-dead when it comes to notebooks. PCMCIA can be a nightmare, and hot-swappability just ain't there (you'll most likely crash your machine should you try to take a functioning card out). To date, I've done a few NT notebook installs, and I have to say that '95 is just all around better thought out when it comes to the "traveling" paradigm. Stick with it, unless you have a strong reason to change. Most of this will probably be addressed with NT 5.0, but that's not due out for at least a year, and probably more like two. Just my $.000000002 worth. Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken D'Ambrosio kend@summa4.com NetAdmin, Summa Four, Inc. kena@well.com On Thu, 28 May 1998, richard wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 07:55:57 -0400 > From: richard > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: nt > > Given the recent discussions of NT 4, I'm wondering if I should install it on my > TP 560 (133mhz, 40mb ram). I'm currently using win95. > > Will NT provide more performance? Stability (win95 rarely crashes)? Battery > life? Is there some other benefit? If I decide to try NT, would more ram (72mb > v. 40mb) make a noticeable difference? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 09:01:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA142600466; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:01:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29240; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 08:57:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29146; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29133; Thu, 28 May 1998 08:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d765 (cx-p.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.53]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA05839; Thu, 28 May 1998 05:56:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980528055534.01e80290@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 05:55:34 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: nt Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <356d4fd2.768647@mail.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:55 AM 5/28/98 -0400, you wrote: >Given the recent discussions of NT 4, I'm wondering if I should install it on my >TP 560 (133mhz, 40mb ram). I'm currently using win95. > I use NT 4 (SP-3) on my 765D. For some reason (after installing dial-up networking and lots of other stuff), Win95 will not suspend or hibernate and then resume without errors and crashing. I installed NT on the 2nd partition of the original 3 GB HD and suspend/resume and hibernate work fine with NT and the IBM TP NT drivers. >Will NT provide more performance? Probably not Stability (win95 rarely crashes)? In my case, NT is much better. I have had some NT blue screens but they seem to have gotten fewer with a new version of the IEEE-488 (GPIB) drivers I need to communicate with lab equipment. NT seems to work better with TCP/IP and the Sun Solstice PC client (NFS and X) software than does Win95 - I connect to a network of Sun SPARCs at work. Battery >life? May be worse, especially if IBM doesn't have a full set of drivers for the 560. I don't see very good life ( < 2 hours) so I have a 2nd battery that I put in place of the CD on trips. Is there some other benefit? If I decide to try NT, would more ram (72mb >v. 40mb) make a noticeable difference? Probably, depending on what apps you run and how many you load at once. I have 104 MB in my 765D and at one point NT was using had 60 MB of RAM used PLUS 60 MB swapped out to the 100+ pagefile according to the NT diagnostic app... Stuart Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 09:54:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA150113681; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:54:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02214; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02135; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02119; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts3p239.port.net (usrts3p239.port.net [207.237.106.239]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11313 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:42 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: win 98 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:53:42 -0400 Message-Id: <356e658f.5568337@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My next Microsoft os question relates to Windows98. Anyone have any experience with the final version yet? According to PCMag and CNET, win98 is somewhat slower than win95, although maybe not noticeably, battery life is not as good (~15%), stability is better and networking is better. Does this correspond to anyone's experience? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 10:05:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151964357; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:05:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03168; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 10:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03024; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03012; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29185; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00312; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 85256612.004DA3EB ; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:08:02 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <85256612.004CFE0F.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:02:51 -0400 Subject: Re: win 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I find it to be much faster and stable than 95. Battery life is much, much, much better on my 770. I get close to 3.5 hours doing development style stuff listening to music on the CD.... -Bill rpritz@interport.net (richard) on 05/28/98 09:53:42 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: win 98 My next Microsoft os question relates to Windows98. Anyone have any experience with the final version yet? According to PCMag and CNET, win98 is somewhat slower than win95, although maybe not noticeably, battery life is not as good (~15%), stability is better and networking is better. Does this correspond to anyone's experience? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 12:26:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177822784; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:26:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11340; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 12:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11136; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay.sni.net (mailrelay.sni.net [199.117.160.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11124; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upstairs (p37.Denver3.dialup.csn.net [204.133.251.37]) by mailrelay.sni.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16989; Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199805281624.KAA16989@mailrelay.sni.net> Reply-To: From: "Todd A. Linn" To: "richard" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: win 98 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:25 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <356e658f.5568337@mail.interport.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Richard: Since I don't have to worry about selling magazines and advertising space, I don't need to jump on the current Microsoft bashing wagon and can relate the truth which is that Win 98 is significantly faster in all respects than Win 95 (for a variety of reasons), its more stable, and the power management features will give you more time from your battery. ---Todd Linn toddlinn@csn.net www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > -----Original Message----- > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@interport.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 7:54 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: win 98 > > > My next Microsoft os question relates to Windows98. Anyone have > any experience > with the final version yet? > > According to PCMag and CNET, win98 is somewhat slower than win95, > although maybe > not noticeably, battery life is not as good (~15%), stability is > better and > networking is better. Does this correspond to anyone's experience? > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 15:35:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA212934138; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:35:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20758; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 15:31:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20406; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20394; Thu, 28 May 1998 15:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts03.loop.net (p04.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.109]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06403; Thu, 28 May 1998 12:25:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805281925.MAA06403@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "I Lee Hetherington" Cc: "Christoph Eyrich" , "Raybay" , "Rob Bell" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 28 May 98 09:17:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 (560?) - cacheable RAM? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >i was told that win95 uses memory from the top down.. >ok if you have 64megs.. and the cache will handle 64megs.. >if you have 128megs and win95 and it DOES use it from the top down, then it will be >slower.. >and so on.. > >the degradation was determined to be about 5%... > Okay, so is this the same for other OSes commonly on ThinkPads, including NT 4.0? Also, is the cacheable memory limit different for the various ThinkPads? Also, what kind of BIOS is on the 560/600/770 (IBM or Phoenix)? Thanks, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 18:46:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA242245566; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:46:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29430; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 18:43:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29250; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29228; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts3p239.port.net (usrts3p239.port.net [207.237.106.239]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24186; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: , Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: win 98 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:41:50 -0400 Message-Id: <3574e6f1.38694723@mail.interport.net> References: <199805281624.KAA16989@mailrelay.sni.net> In-Reply-To: <199805281624.KAA16989@mailrelay.sni.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:25 -0600, "Todd A. Linn" wrote: >Since I don't have to worry about selling magazines and advertising space, I >don't need to jump on the current Microsoft bashing wagon and can relate the >truth which is that Win 98 is significantly faster in all respects than Win >95 (for a variety of reasons), its more stable, and the power management >features will give you more time from your battery. On Thu, 28 May 1998 10:02:51 -0400, Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: >I find it to be much faster and stable than 95. Battery life is much, >much, much better on my 770. I get close to 3.5 hours doing development >style stuff listening to music on the CD.... According to CNET, Win98 is much faster than Win95 with IE4 installed, though slower than Win95. http://www.cnet.com/Content/Reviews/Compare/Win98/ss08.html Were both of you using IE4 with Win95? Does the 770 use ACPI, the new power management protocol? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 20:15:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA255840933; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:15:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02282; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 20:14:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02176; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay.sni.net (mailrelay.sni.net [199.117.160.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02153; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upstairs (p47.Denver3.dialup.csn.net [204.133.251.47]) by mailrelay.sni.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10580; Thu, 28 May 1998 18:14:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199805290014.SAA10580@mailrelay.sni.net> Reply-To: From: "Todd A. Linn" To: "Victor Kress" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: win 98 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:14:22 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199805281655.KAA16235@bobcat.sni.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Victor: Because what every writer wants, especially computer geek writers, is to be "cool." Right now, its much cooler to dismiss Win 98 as a mere "upgrade" and to bash Microsoft for anything possible. Of course, this is a completely incorrect stance as anyone who has spent significant time with Win 98 will confirm. Plus if they create a problem, they can make money solving it. There's not much reason to read the 100th "me too" tips article if the OS does such a good job of regulating and maintaining itself that no one has a desire to read such articles. ---Todd Linn toddlinn@csn.net www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Kress [mailto:kress@u.washington.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 10:55 PM > To: toddlinn@csn.net > Subject: RE: win 98 > > > I can't conceive of any reason any commercial magazine (except meybe > Linux World) would want to do anything but trumpet the wonders of > Win98. They are all exclusively windows mags now, and new software > means more churn in the market which means more sales. > > > > On Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:25 -0600, Todd A. Linn wrote: > > >Richard: > > > >Since I don't have to worry about selling magazines and advertising > space, I > >don't need to jump on the current Microsoft bashing wagon and can > relate the > >truth which is that Win 98 is significantly faster in all respects > than Win > >95 (for a variety of reasons), its more stable, and the power > management > >features will give you more time from your battery. > > > >---Todd Linn > >toddlinn@csn.net > >www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: richard [mailto:rpritz@interport.net] > >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 7:54 AM > >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >> Subject: win 98 > >> > >> > >> My next Microsoft os question relates to Windows98. Anyone have > >> any experience > >> with the final version yet? > >> > >> According to PCMag and CNET, win98 is somewhat slower than win95, > >> although maybe > >> not noticeably, battery life is not as good (~15%), stability is > >> better and > >> networking is better. Does this correspond to anyone's experience? > >> > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ > Victor Kress > Geological Sciences > Box 351310 > University of Washington > Seattle, Washington > 98195-1310 > > (206)616-8512 > kress@u.washington.edu > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 20:38:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA258972283; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:38:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03167; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 20:37:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03083; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03064; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 72.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.72]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980529003649.NJAG24685@72.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:36:49 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP 560] Battery compatability? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:36:35 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <3571eeee.8881875@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As most folks know, I plan to buy to replace my current 560 with a 560X when the price drops into my range. For the most part, I've bought my peripherals with an eye to moving them over easily when I do this (though I don't think my 64MB RAM chip is useable in the X series). I'm thinking of buying an extra battery, and I'm wondering if anyone knows if the batteries in the X models are the same. I don't want to spend $250 for a battery and find I can't use it with my future 560X, especially since having two would give me almost 8 hours of battery life with that model. epbrown (don't give me an excuse to check out the Micron GoBook ;-) Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 20:57:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260843421; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:57:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03863; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 20:56:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03772; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.pacbell.net (mail-gw3.pacbell.net [206.13.28.55]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03757; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valmen (ppp-206-170-32-184.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.184]) by mail-gw3.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id RAA25727; Thu, 28 May 1998 17:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <356E0891.2E70@pacbell.net> Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 18:00:01 -0700 From: Voltaire Almendrala X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] Battery compatability? References: <3571eeee.8881875@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Both the TP 560 E&X models use the same battery packs. //VA Emanuel Brown wrote: > I'm thinking of buying an extra battery, and I'm wondering if > anyone knows if the batteries in the X models are the same. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 22:00:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268317247; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:00:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05614; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05494; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vex.net (vex.net [198.96.119.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05475; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (1381 bytes) by vex.net via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:09 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #3 built 1997-Oct-29) Received: from vex.net(198.96.119.193) via SMTP by vex.net, id smtpd27816a; Thu May 28 21:59:01 1998 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Golan Klinger To: Emanuel Brown Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] Battery compatability? In-Reply-To: <3571eeee.8881875@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Emanuel Brown wrote: > As most folks know, I plan to buy to replace my current 560 with > a 560X when the price drops into my range. For the most part, I've > bought my peripherals with an eye to moving them over easily when I do > this (though I don't think my 64MB RAM chip is useable in the X series). Why not? I was under the impression that the RAM modules for the entire 560 line are identical. As for the batteries, AFAIK they are the same so batteries from the 560 should work just fine in the 560x. Golan Klinger [falco@vex.net] For long you live and high you fly And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry Good, fast or cheap. And all you touch and all you see Pick two... Is all your life will ever be From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 22:41:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA276009695; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:41:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07484; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 22:40:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07400; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07385; Thu, 28 May 1998 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 249.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.249]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980529024018.QESJ24685@249.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:40:18 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] Battery compatability? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:40:06 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <35701df2.19363515@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: >For the most part, I've >> bought my peripherals with an eye to moving them over easily when I do >> this (though I don't think my 64MB RAM chip is useable in the X series). > > Why not? I was under the impression that the RAM modules for the >entire 560 line are identical. As for the batteries, AFAIK they are the >same so batteries from the 560 should work just fine in the 560x. Nah, the 560 and 560E use 70ns non-parity EDO SO-DIMMS, while the 560X models use faster RAM and IBM's tech support said there'd be compatibility issues. Personally, I thought using the slower module would just slow all the system RAM to the slower speed (70ns instead of 60ns, in this case). The IBM guy seemed to feel this was a big no-no, however. Anyway, I was planning to add a 32MB chip to the 560X when I get it, since that's the "sweet spot" for the TX chipset, anyway. I don't worry so much about performance with my cacheless P133, and the 64MB chip only puts me 8MB over the limit, rather than 32MB on the X. Glad to know I can get the battery, anyway... epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu May 28 23:08:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA280991313; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:08:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08365; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 28 May 1998 23:07:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08253; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (sendmail@martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.1.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08239; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flenser.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA280641239; Thu, 28 May 1998 23:07:19 -0400 Received: by flenser.ai.mit.edu id m0yfFVn-0001cpC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.92 1997-Feb-9 #2); Thu, 28 May 1998 23:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 23:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad list archive X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.93, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As some of you know, I have been sporadically maintaining an archive of this list. I updated the archive last night, so it is now reasonably up to date. I have also converted the archive to HTML, so in addition to downloading the archive by FTP, you can read it in your browser: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~cph/thinkpad.html Please note: I am copying the HTML files to the server right now. It has finished copying 1994 and is working on 1995 at this moment. In another hour or so it should be finished. If you have questions or suggestions for the archive, please send me mail. Please _don't_ suggest that I automate the process of updating the archive -- I already know that this is a good thing and I am making arrangements for it to happen, but it will take a while, perhaps a couple of months. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 00:03:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291604609; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:03:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10107; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 00:02:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10021; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09997; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerryray (209-142-3-47.stk.inreach.net [209.142.3.47]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id UAA12069 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 20:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805290357.UAA12069@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Janice Ray" To: Subject: Parts for thinkpad 500 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:02:31 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone, Iam looking for Parts for a tp 500. Parts needed external video cable , 170 meg hardrive , 8 meg memory chip Iam also looking for a Backpack parallel port 4x. Also external floppy drive and cable , carring case . Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 01:37:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA008550249; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:37:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12582; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 01:36:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12502; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12489; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (196.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.196]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA29125; Fri, 29 May 1998 01:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356E4979.B7D69BAB@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:36:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560] Battery compatability? References: <35701df2.19363515@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu memory is all the same.. at least Apricorn is.. and its thinkpad proven.. i have not checked goldenram (which is thinkpad approved).. Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 1998 21:59:01 -0400 (EDT), you wrote: > > >For the most part, I've > >> bought my peripherals with an eye to moving them over easily when I do > >> this (though I don't think my 64MB RAM chip is useable in the X series). > > > > Why not? I was under the impression that the RAM modules for the > >entire 560 line are identical. As for the batteries, AFAIK they are the > >same so batteries from the 560 should work just fine in the 560x. > > Nah, the 560 and 560E use 70ns non-parity EDO SO-DIMMS, while the > 560X models use faster RAM and IBM's tech support said there'd be > compatibility issues. Personally, I thought using the slower module > would just slow all the system RAM to the slower speed (70ns instead > of 60ns, in this case). The IBM guy seemed to feel this was a big > no-no, however. > Anyway, I was planning to add a 32MB chip to the 560X when I get > it, since that's the "sweet spot" for the TX chipset, anyway. I don't > worry so much about performance with my cacheless P133, and the 64MB > chip only puts me 8MB over the limit, rather than 32MB on the X. > Glad to know I can get the battery, anyway... > epbrown > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for > the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 02:31:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA018233480; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:31:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14100; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 02:30:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14019; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14007; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (196.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.196]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA25175; Fri, 29 May 1998 02:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356E5627.63AA954E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 02:31:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ruby Lestari Cc: shelby@netten.net, kglp@cia-g.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED-Hard Drive space References: <355E0A78.3AF50CB8@theriver.com> <3.0.1.32.19980517103203.00a6f7c8@netten.net> <356B7AA9.54ADFE26@vanderbilt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just happened upon these messages.. FYI: the 760ED-U3A is a PCI buss machine whereas the 760CD is a ISA buss machine.. ED is MUCH faster.. also, P-133, etc. AND if you are not seeing a 3 or 5gig drive then you need to update the bios.. i use a 760ED as a mule to test and set up 5 and the lone 8gig drive(s) that i send out.. so it WILL see those drives.. Ruby Lestari wrote: > hi... > i have a thinkpad 760ED too.... > what is all this BIOs about..?? > i never know that..... > > lruby > > shelby@netten.net wrote: > > > Hi Ray, thanks a million for your offer. How many pages? Happy to send you > > a check or money order. > > > > Lets make sure we're talking about the correct manual, my stats are: > > > > ThinkPad 760 9546-U3A > > ThinkPad 760ED*P133, 16MB, 1.2GB, 12.1 TFT, MPEG > > > > Do you know what the "ED" refers to, as opposed to 760CD, etc. I assume > > different models of the 760 are they like good, better and best? VBG > > > > This is the info I recd back from IBM Personal Computing Support when I > > registered and entered my Serial number. > > > > I assume that IBM would send correct info? > > > > When I purchased the laptop it had 48 megs of RAM & a 750 HD, > > interchangeable CD ROM Drive & 1.44 floppy. > > It works great. I am using WIN98 beta 3, converted FAT to 32. > > > > Look forward to hearing from you, > > > > Larose Wynne > > shelby@netten.net > > > > I purchased my IBM TP760ED second hand, > > >> > no manuals, no disks, but it is a great machine. > > >> > > >> Definately. See Bill Morrow's Thinkpad site at http://www.thinkpads.com > > >> This machine will support up to a 5.1GB hard drive. > > > > > >Not unless you know something I don't. The 760ED has a bios for 2.1 Gb on > > >mine... I have a 3.0 Gb and a 5.0 Gb and my 760ED wont recognize the extra on > > >either... although they fit nicely in the space. > > > > > >I'll be happy to send you a xerox copy of the manual if you'll reimbursement > > >postage and 2.5 cents per page copying costs. > > > > > >Ray > > > > > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 04:47:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032581664; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:47:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19001; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 04:46:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18888; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18876; Fri, 29 May 1998 04:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA14600; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:50:26 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28857; Fri, 29 May 98 09:41:37 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 9:44:50 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) Subject: Re: thinkpad list archive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 116e" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu =20 A search facility would be really useful - but you could probably=20 achieve this by submitting all the pages to altavista and we could use= =20 it to query the html files=2E ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________= _____ Subject: thinkpad list archive Author: PC:cph@martigny=2Eai=2Emit=2Eedu (Chris Hanson) at INTERNET Date: 29/05/98 09:05 As some of you know, I have been sporadically maintaining an archive=20 of this list=2E =20 I updated the archive last night, so it is now reasonably up to date=2E =20 I have also converted the archive to HTML, so in addition to=20 downloading the archive by FTP, you can read it in your browser: =20 http://www=2Eswiss=2Eai=2Emit=2Eedu/~cph/thinkpad=2Ehtml =20 Please note: I am copying the HTML files to the server right now=2E It=20 has finished copying 1994 and is working on 1995 at this moment=2E In=20 another hour or so it should be finished=2E =20 If you have questions or suggestions for the archive, please send me=20 mail=2E Please _don't_ suggest that I automate the process of updating=20 the archive -- I already know that this is a good thing and I am=20 making arrangements for it to happen, but it will take a while,=20 perhaps a couple of months=2E =20 ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 Harston Cambridge =20 CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 06:08:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA040476532; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:08:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24992; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 06:08:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24913; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24900; Fri, 29 May 1998 06:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA10041; Fri, 29 May 1998 00:07:47 -1000 Message-Id: <000101bd8ae9$c1a87e20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: [TPALL] A nice link for information on cache limits Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 00:08:37 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Apropos of the recent thread on the effect of having > 64 meg on a ThinkPad (or any Pentium machine) there's a clear discussion of the situation at http://www.pcguide.com/ref/mbsys/cache/char_Cacheability.htm David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 10:49:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA073273349; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:49:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05358; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 10:47:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05256; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05179; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id JAA11952; Fri, 29 May 1998 09:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: <356EC9AE.6E8C9F8B@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.252]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 14:43:15 UT Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 09:43:58 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Quantrill Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Chris Hanson Subject: Re: thinkpad list archive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Why not let Reference.Com maintain the ThinkPad mailing list archive for you? They maintain a massive archive of Usenet and mailing list information. Users can search the archive by using their interface available at http://www.reference.com. Anyone who knows the e-mail address of this list's owner they can request that the ThinkPad mailing list be added to the Reference.Com archives by using the form at this URL: http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/go.py?choice=mlistsuggestform Check it out! Later, Rob Adam Quantrill wrote: > A search facility would be really useful - but you could probably > achieve this by submitting all the pages to altavista and we could use > it to query the html files. > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: thinkpad list archive > Author: PC:cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) at INTERNET > Date: 29/05/98 09:05 > > As some of you know, I have been sporadically maintaining an archive > of this list. > > I updated the archive last night, so it is now reasonably up to date. > > I have also converted the archive to HTML, so in addition to > downloading the archive by FTP, you can read it in your browser: > > http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~cph/thinkpad.html > > Please note: I am copying the HTML files to the server right now. It > has finished copying 1994 and is working on 1995 at this moment. In > another hour or so it should be finished. > > If you have questions or suggestions for the archive, please send me > mail. Please _don't_ suggest that I automate the process of updating > the archive -- I already know that this is a good thing and I am > making arrangements for it to happen, but it will take a while, > perhaps a couple of months. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 > Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 > Harston > Cambridge > CB2 5NH > United Kingdom http://www.generics.co.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 11:02:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075024160; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:02:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06314; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 11:02:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06223; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06187; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-236.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.236]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA07271 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:00:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199805291500.RAA07271@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:00:04 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Installing PCMCIA card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my TP 755 CDV. I would like to install a Adaptec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card in my laptop. Where I can find infos in doing that (what files do I need, what do I have = to modify in the config.sys and elsewhere....) TIA for help Have a nice day Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 05/29/98 15:21:50 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 11:37:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA080656240; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:37:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08186; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 11:36:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08102; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yoda.fyi.net (yoda.fyi.net [204.179.80.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08079; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from la00429 (dwec3121.pgh.wec.com [168.92.153.121]) by yoda.fyi.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA27252; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980529113438.01b65320@fyi.net> X-Sender: sheenk@fyi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:34:38 -0400 To: Francois Hurter , From: Kevin Sheen Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA card In-Reply-To: <199805291500.RAA07271@swissonline.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 1460 (at least mine did) comes with 6 diskettes. They are drivers for various flavors of operating systems. There is one diskette that lists OS2 Warp. Do you not have the diskettes? hope this helps, kevin At 05:00 PM 5/29/98 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my TP 755 CDV. >I would like to install a Adaptec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card in my laptop. >Where I can find infos in doing that (what files do I need, what do I have to modify in the >config.sys and elsewhere....) >TIA for help >Have a nice day >Francois > > >-------------------------------------- >I used to have all the answers >Then they changed all the questions > >I'm running OS/2 because I want choice > >05/29/98 15:21:50 >Francois Hurter >Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 11:43:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA081716593; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:43:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08944; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 11:42:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08854; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08815; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (corixia.demon.co.uk) [158.152.22.163] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yfRHw-0000P7-00; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:41:48 +0000 From: "Richard Ashton" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 16:41:49 Reply-To: "Richard Ashton" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA card Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 17:00:04 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my TP 755 CDV. >I would like to install a Adaptec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card in my laptop. >Where I can find infos in doing that (what files do I need, what do I have to modify in the In the read me on the disk and in the manual page 11 >config.sys and elsewhere....) config.sys BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD and copy this file to x:\OS2\BOOT\ BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD {R} From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 12:06:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA084257962; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:06:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09993; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 12:04:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09860; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09848; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.14] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Fri, 29 May 98 11:04:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: Francois Hurter , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:04:39 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: Installing PCMCIA card Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Addressed to: Francois Hurter Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from Francois Hurter Fri, 29 May 1998 17:00:04 GMT+1 > I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my TP 755 CDV. > I would like to install a Adaptec 1460 SCSI PCMCIA card in my laptop. The driver for that card is AHA152X.ADD, the same driver used for the 1520-1522 adapter series. Just insert a BASEDEV command in CONFIG.SYS and make sure the driver resides in your \OS2\BOOT directory. Before the driver in CONFIG.SYS, you need to load OS2SCSI.DMD with a BASEDEV command. Make sure it also resides in \OS2\BOOT. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 05/29/98, 11:04:32 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 15:31:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA119000272; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:31:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20043; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 15:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19703; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19690; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts06.loop.net (p27.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA12690 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805291927.MAA12690@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:28:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I keep getting crashes in OS/2 (apparently hardware related), and I was wondering if anyone else has experienced this. I get Trap 000e's (I think), usually from within Netscape, or when switching to another application. The weird part is that I haven't really added any software lately, and I just replaced my 16MB SO-DIMM, too. I suppose it could also be that I'm running low on hard drive space, but I would usually get an error for that first. Thanks for any help, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 15:32:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA119150340; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:32:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20125; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 15:30:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19876; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19839; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts06.loop.net (p27.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.222]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA12949; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805291929.MAA12949@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Adam Quantrill" , "Chris Hanson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 12:30:11 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: thinkpad list archive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 9:44:50 +0000, Adam Quantrill wrote: > > A search facility would be really useful - but you could probably > achieve this by submitting all the pages to altavista and we could use > it to query the html files. > > I think an easier route might just be to create a CGI script that does a search for a string that the user submits, such as if a user types in 750C, then the search engine returns a one line per hit list of hits, and you click on the message you would like to view. I don't know CGI, but I might ask some friends who do. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 15:53:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA121561598; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:53:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21514; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 15:52:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21413; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21400; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id OAA26036; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:49:54 -0500 Message-Id: <356F121B.FCA2C255@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.252]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 May 1998 19:52:17 UT Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:52:59 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 References: <199805291927.MAA12690@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It could be bad memory. Either a physically faulty memory chip or an incompatibility between the technology of the one you just replaced and they other existing memory in the PC. HTH, Rob Paul Khoury wrote: > I keep getting crashes in OS/2 (apparently hardware related), and I was wondering if > anyone else has experienced this. I get Trap 000e's (I think), usually from within Netscape, > or when switching to another application. The weird part is that I haven't really added any software > lately, and I just replaced my 16MB SO-DIMM, too. > > I suppose it could also be that I'm running low on hard drive space, but I would usually get an > error for that first. > > Thanks for any help, -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 16:02:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA123032173; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:02:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22293; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 16:02:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22204; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22192; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXLT1ZV1TS9734B4@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:02:12 MST Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:57:04 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 29 May 1998 14:52:59 -0500" <356F121B.FCA2C255@csc.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXLULTWHMM9734B4@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <199805291927.MAA12690@stevie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > It could be bad memory. I've had this same problem with Netscape (it might be a buggy browser but it is a pretty good memory exerciser) - the memory checked good at the vendor and in the Thinkpad but still caused crashes. When replaced with another identical module everything worked great. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 16:25:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA126763526; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:25:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23650; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 16:24:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23567; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23545; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fmsmsx27.fm.intel.com (fmsmsx27.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.27]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05015 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:24:32 GMT Message-Id: <199805292024.UAA05015@thalia.fm.intel.com> Received: by FMSMSX27 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:24:32 -0700 From: "Sarff, Gary E" To: "\"thinkpad@cs.utk.edu\" " Subject: RE: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 14:22:00 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Author: "billy@MIX.COM" [SMTP:billy@MIX.COM] at MSXGATE Date: 5/29/98 12:57 PM > It could be bad memory. I've had this same problem with Netscape (it might be a buggy browser but it is a pretty good memory exerciser) - the memory checked good at the vendor and in the Thinkpad but still caused crashes. When replaced with another identical module everything worked great. Billy Y.. >>>>> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I had a similar problem about a month after I bought my used 701C. One day it just started crashing, and sometimes when booting it would only count 8 meg of memory. I had an 8 meg do-simm in it for a total of 16. After a lot of testing I found that if I removed the memory cover on the bottom of the box, and if the simm was in the socket but not pushed down and locked, so it was sticking out at about a 45 degree angle, the machine worked fine, detected 16 meg of memory and ran great. If I then pushed the simm down into the clips so it laid flat, it would think it had 8 meg or sometimes 10 or 12 and crash a lot with 00e's and other such things. I bought another kingston 8 meg simm to see if it was the simm itself. Did the same thing, worked when in socket but not pushed down, would not work when laying flat in the clips. I do not understand why it worked fine and then one day just started doing this when up until that time I had never even removed the little plastic door covering the ram. I don't know if the socket is bad or something else. Since it is soldered to the motherboard I guess I am stuck with it like this. I have read here about something called easyserve but have not seen a phone number or other contact information, and have read about some people sending thinkpads in and getting back ones with worse keyboards or cracked cases etc. Does this happen, it makes me very hesitant to send mine off. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 16:37:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA127684228; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:37:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24511; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 16:36:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24381; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24355; Fri, 29 May 1998 16:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXLVI3MFZK975044@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:36:04 MST Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:30:47 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: RE: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 29 May 1998 14:22:00 -0700" <199805292024.UAA05015@thalia.fm.intel.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXLVRUMAEQ975044@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have read here > about something called easyserve but have not seen a phone number or other > contact information The phone is 800 772-2227 in the USA. > and have read about some people sending thinkpads in > and getting back ones with worse keyboards or cracked cases etc. Does this > happen, it makes me very hesitant to send mine off. In general I have no complaints except the second time mine went in for a keyboard problem I got it back with a reconditioned keyboard (as opposed to a new one) which was somewhat disappointing - it does work ok though. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 17:38:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA136657915; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:38:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27127; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 17:37:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27024; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ks (ks.mpi-dortmund.mpg.de [141.5.68.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27005; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de by ks (SMI-8.6/SVR4-5.5.1mpi-05.01.98) id XAA10815; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:36:51 +0200 Received: (from prudolph@localhost) by garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00392 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:35:04 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 23:35:04 +0200 From: Peter Rudolph Message-Id: <199805292135.XAA00392@garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size ...? X-Status: N X-Mailer: Applixware 4,3 (807.141.90) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1; name="Body" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mime-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de id XAA00392 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, I was wondering if there=B4s a limit to the HDD size one can put into=20 a TP701C with BIOS upgrade (BUTUS30). The reason why I=B4m asking is=20 that recently I put a 3.1GB HDD into my TP701C and the BIOS reports=20 it as 15MB (yes, MB) size HDD.=20 It=B4s working fine under DOS and Linux, though. I can use the full=20 3.1GB. TIA for all answers, Peter. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 17:45:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137908321; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:45:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27644; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 17:43:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27521; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27509; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.127]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980529214316.FEDV24685@127.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net>; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:43:16 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: Peter Rudolph , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size ...? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:43:04 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <35712b1a.3013818@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199805292135.XAA00392@garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de> In-Reply-To: <199805292135.XAA00392@garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 29 May 1998 23:35:04 +0200, you wrote: >I was wondering if there=B4s a limit to the HDD size one can put into=20 >a TP701C with BIOS upgrade (BUTUS30). The reason why I=B4m asking is=20 >that recently I put a 3.1GB HDD into my TP701C and the BIOS reports=20 >it as 15MB (yes, MB) size HDD.=20 >It=B4s working fine under DOS and Linux, though. I can use the full=20 >3.1GB. Actually, the BIOS in the 701 has space for only the last 3 digits to show the drive size. If you have a 3015MB drive (3.015GB), then the drive will be listed as 15MB. I'd say this is what happened in your case, since you have no problem accessing the entire drive. I believe the BIOS itself will read as high as 4GB, despite the BIOS only displaying the last 3 digits of the size. Emanuel Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 17:50:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA138588647; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:50:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28066; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 17:50:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27968; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.comintur.com.uy ([206.99.53.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27952; Fri, 29 May 1998 17:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Harry ([207.3.118.187]) by netgate.comintur.com.uy (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA09109 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300149.SAA09109@netgate.comintur.com.uy> X-Sender: hteszler@netgate.com.uy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:48:45 -0300 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Harry Teszler Subject: Swap between zone 1 and zone 2 DVD ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everybody ! What if I want to use zone 1 DVD and zone 2 DVD ? Could I swap between both ? Thanks for any comments. ***************************************************************** Harry Teszler La Suiza hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 harryt@redfacil.com.uy Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. ***************************************************************** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 18:09:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA142159774; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:09:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29203; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 18:09:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29117; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29072; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199805292208.SAA29072@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:07:16 -0400 To: peter.rudolph@dortmund.netsurf.de, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, epbrown@enteract.com Subject: RE: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size ...? Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:58:00 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu FWIW, I installed a 1.3GB drive in my 701 and had a similar display problem in the setup screens (F1) and was yet able to otherwise see and use the entire drive. I would, therefor, agree with the analysis below, except for the 4GB limit mentioned and only because I have no knowledge on the upper bound for drive size. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size ...? Author: epbrown@enteract.com [SMTP:epbrown@enteract.com] at Jax-Exchange Date: 5/29/98 5:43 PM On Fri, 29 May 1998 23:35:04 +0200, you wrote: >I was wondering if there's a limit to the HDD size one can put into >a TP701C with BIOS upgrade (BUTUS30). The reason why I'm asking is >that recently I put a 3.1GB HDD into my TP701C and the BIOS reports >it as 15MB (yes, MB) size HDD. >It's working fine under DOS and Linux, though. I can use the full >3.1GB. Actually, the BIOS in the 701 has space for only the last 3 digits to show the drive size. If you have a 3015MB drive (3.015GB), then the drive will be listed as 15MB. I'd say this is what happened in your case, since you have no problem accessing the entire drive. I believe the BIOS itself will read as high as 4GB, despite the BIOS only displaying the last 3 digits of the size. Emanuel Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 18:22:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA143710521; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:22:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29935; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 18:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29855; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29837; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts03.loop.net (p14.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.119]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA04207; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805292220.PAA04207@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Rob Bell" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 15:21:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 14:52:59 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >It could be bad memory. Either a physically faulty memory chip or an incompatibility between the >technology of the one you just replaced and they other existing memory in the PC. > Well, the new one is genuine IBM memory, but someone hinted that it could be my version of Netscape. Ironically, I added nothing recently, and this started happening this month. :( -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 18:24:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA144710666; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:24:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00463; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 18:23:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00377; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00347; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts03.loop.net (p14.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.119]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA04591; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805292223.PAA04591@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "billy@MIX.COM" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 15:24:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >In general I have no complaints except the second time mine went in >for a keyboard problem I got it back with a reconditioned keyboard >(as opposed to a new one) which was somewhat disappointing - it >does work ok though. > I have a very good feeling this is what happened to me, too. I also have a problem where sometimes my LCD will get really bright, or too dim to read, and I have to lightly press on the back of it to come back to normal, so a cable is probably loose or something. The most problems I've had so far are this stupid keyboard (where the trackpoint literally broke off), and the LCD, though this isn't that bothersome. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 19:19:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151023978; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:19:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02291; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 19:17:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02106; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.globalserve.net (smtp1.globalserve.net [209.90.144.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02083; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pakula1 (dialin1055.toronto.globalserve.net [209.90.134.38]) by smtp1.globalserve.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00446 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 19:21:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from webmaster@netphoria.org) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980529191503.0073606c@mail.globalserve.net> X-Sender: whiskers@mail.globalserve.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 19:15:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: ZERO Subject: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the laptop as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything before asking around. Please reply by e-mail. -ZERO zero@netphoria.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 20:47:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA164969260; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:47:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05881; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 20:46:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05732; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05720; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA16561; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:54:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 In-Reply-To: <199805291927.MAA12690@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > I keep getting crashes in OS/2 (apparently hardware related), and I was > wondering if > anyone else has experienced this. I get Trap 000e's (I think), usually > from within Netscape, > or when switching to another application. The weird part is that I > haven't really added any software > lately, and I just replaced my 16MB SO-DIMM, too. Just out of curiousity, are you running TCPIP 4.1? This stack needs a ton of fixes, otherwise it Trap E's like crazy. The memory is another possible culprit. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri May 29 21:00:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA167120028; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:00:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06496; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 29 May 1998 20:59:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06408; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06396; Fri, 29 May 1998 20:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.158]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980530005922.BWES5374@760>; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:59:22 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , "ZERO" Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 20:55:53 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980530005922.BWES5374@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Do the right thing and return it to the rightful owner! ---------- > From: ZERO > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD > Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 7:15 PM > > How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? > I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the > password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the laptop > as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be > reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything > before asking around. > Please reply by e-mail. > > -ZERO > zero@netphoria.org From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 00:41:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA197633312; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:41:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11365; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 00:40:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11276; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11264; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA18931; Fri, 29 May 1998 18:40:49 -1000 Message-Id: <004e01bd8b85$3cba5e80$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:41:38 -1000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu W/r to the posting below, Bruce M. said: >Do the right thing and return it to the rightful owner! He can't - his "good friend" is the one who stole the machine, that's why he had to lam it out of the country. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross > >---------- >> From: ZERO >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 7:15 PM >> >> How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? >> I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the >> password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the >laptop >> as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be >> reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything >> before asking around. >> Please reply by e-mail. >> >> -ZERO >> zero@netphoria.org > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 00:53:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198624037; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11860; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11781; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11769; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pdx72-i48-34.teleport.com (pdx72-i48-34.teleport.com [204.202.173.112]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA25480 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 21:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 21:53:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300453.VAA25480@mail1.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size/Speed ...? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Emanuel and all. I had a thought...in terms of hard disk upgrade for 701Cs what are available in terms of speeds/access times? I haven't seen any talk of drive speed or quality, just size. Bryan > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 00:54:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198714088; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:54:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12027; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 00:54:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11948; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11900; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (154.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.154]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA26487; Sat, 30 May 1998 00:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356F9106.C2491093@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 00:54:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: epbrown@enteract.com Cc: Peter Rudolph , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size ...? References: <199805292135.XAA00392@garfield.dortmund.netsurf.de> <35712b1a.3013818@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yerright.. :-) i've had 4gig drives in my 701's.. so until the IBM 6gig slim drives are available, thats the upper limit.. = :-) Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 1998 23:35:04 +0200, you wrote: > >I was wondering if there=B4s a limit to the HDD size one can put into > >a TP701C with BIOS upgrade (BUTUS30). The reason why I=B4m asking is > >that recently I put a 3.1GB HDD into my TP701C and the BIOS reports > >it as 15MB (yes, MB) size HDD. > >It=B4s working fine under DOS and Linux, though. I can use the full > >3.1GB. > > Actually, the BIOS in the 701 has space for only the last 3 dig= its > to show the drive size. If you have a 3015MB drive (3.015GB), then the > drive will be listed as 15MB. I'd say this is what happened in your > case, since you have no problem accessing the entire drive. I believe > the BIOS itself will read as high as 4GB, despite the BIOS only > displaying the last 3 digits of the size. > Emanuel > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for > the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:04:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200544684; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:04:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12722; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:03:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12630; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12618; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (154.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.154]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA28107; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356F9356.CF259E2A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:04:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Amadei Cc: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu New memory, tight HDD (space wise), new and larger hibernate file(?) + Netscape (which is not all that stable) and i am not so surprised at the crashing.. test the memory, try going back to the old memory and then rerun netscape.. clean up the HDD.. etc., etc. :-) Stephen Amadei wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > I keep getting crashes in OS/2 (apparently hardware related), and I was > > wondering if > > anyone else has experienced this. I get Trap 000e's (I think), usually > > from within Netscape, > > or when switching to another application. The weird part is that I > > haven't really added any software > > lately, and I just replaced my 16MB SO-DIMM, too. > > Just out of curiousity, are you running TCPIP 4.1? This stack needs a ton > of fixes, otherwise it Trap E's like crazy. The memory is another > possible culprit. > > ----Steve > Stephen Amadei > Director of MIS > Dandy Connections, Inc. > Atlantic City, NJ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:15:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA202485342; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:15:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13386; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:15:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13301; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13288; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (154.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.154]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA29878; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <356F95F9.85415657@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:15:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Swap between zone 1 and zone 2 DVD ? References: <199805300149.SAA09109@netgate.comintur.com.uy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Harry.. i believe that you must reload each time you change zones.. there is a LOT more to this zone thing then, at first, meets the eye.. Harry Teszler wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > What if I want to use zone 1 DVD and zone 2 DVD ? > > Could I swap between both ? > > Thanks for any comments. > > ***************************************************************** > Harry Teszler La Suiza > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > Tel.: +598 2 2090884 Fax: +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay. > ***************************************************************** -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:51:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA207917468; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:51:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14363; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:50:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14282; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14270; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts11.loop.net (p20.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20559; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300549.WAA20559@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "ZERO" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 22:50:38 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 19:15:03 -0400, ZERO wrote: >How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? >I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the >password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the laptop >as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be >reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything >before asking around. >Please reply by e-mail. > I think you might have to have the system board replaced, because it uses a FLASH BIOS. At least this was the case with my 355C and 701CS (though I never had this problem), and since all the newer ThinkPads have FLASH BIOSes, I assume this is the case. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:53:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA208177594; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:53:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14721; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:52:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14606; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14592; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts11.loop.net (p20.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20731; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300551.WAA20731@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Stephen Amadei" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 22:52:51 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Amadei wrote: >On Fri, 29 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I keep getting crashes in OS/2 (apparently hardware related), and I was >> wondering if >> anyone else has experienced this. I get Trap 000e's (I think), usually >> from within Netscape, >> or when switching to another application. The weird part is that I >> haven't really added any software >> lately, and I just replaced my 16MB SO-DIMM, too. > >Just out of curiousity, are you running TCPIP 4.1? This stack needs a ton >of fixes, otherwise it Trap E's like crazy. The memory is another >possible culprit. I'm not sure. I'm using the one that came with Warp 4, without any FPs, so I assume it's 4.x. Should I get FPs for it? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:56:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA208427765; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:56:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15135; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:55:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15038; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15024; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 38.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.38]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980530055438.GNFE22850@38.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 05:54:38 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size/Speed ...? Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 05:54:27 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <356f9db2.720590@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199805300453.VAA25480@mail1.teleport.com> In-Reply-To: <199805300453.VAA25480@mail1.teleport.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 21:53:08 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >I had a thought...in terms of hard disk upgrade for 701Cs what are available >in terms of speeds/access times? I haven't seen any talk of drive speed or >quality, just size. There aren't many options re. speed, I think. The average 2.5" drive has a seek time of 12-13ms and an rpm of 4200 or so, originally because a faster drive would require more power and dent battery life. There are new drives that are faster (Ultra-ATA or DMA or something), but I don't know if they're compatible with something like the 701 or what sort of power requirements they have. I *do* know that the spec for laptop drives changed the position of the screw holes. Instead of a four sort of square in the middle, new drives have them at the corners of the drive. epbrown PS: Did I mention I've got a 701 again? I bought one from Surplus Direct, then got another for much less for a friend off eBay today :-( Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:56:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA209047796; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:56:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15019; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:54:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14929; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14916; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts11.loop.net (p20.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20888; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:54:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300554.WAA20888@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 22:55:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] Maximum HDD size/Speed ...? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998 21:53:08 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Daum wrote: >Hello Emanuel and all. > >I had a thought...in terms of hard disk upgrade for 701Cs what are available >in terms of speeds/access times? I haven't seen any talk of drive speed or >quality, just size. I think that with 2.5" drives, you should expect about 4900 RPMS (unless they're faster now), and about 11-13ms access time. As for quality, I'm not sure about Toshiba, but I have 2 2.5" drives (both IBM) that I've used on desktops, one in use, and one previously used as my Warp Server drive, and I've had no problems, aside from the connector on the 270MB break off. Access and transfer rate is pretty good also. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 01:58:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA209197911; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:58:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15435; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 01:57:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15316; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15271; Sat, 30 May 1998 01:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts11.loop.net (p20.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21009; Fri, 29 May 1998 22:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300555.WAA21009@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Stephen Amadei" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 22:56:40 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 01:04:22 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >New memory, tight HDD (space wise), new and larger hibernate file(?) It's on a seperate partition. But I really do need to migrate to a larger drive eventually. + >Netscape (which is not all that stable) and i am not so surprised at the >crashing.. > >test the memory, try going back to the old memory and then rerun netscape.. > >clean up the HDD.. > >etc., etc. :-) > I have yet to do that. I messed up a partition, so I sort of "lost" 250MB (though I can see it in DOS with an HPFS reader, and in Linux). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 02:37:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214700233; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:37:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17198; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 02:36:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17120; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17107; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA18319 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:44:18 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 02:44:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 In-Reply-To: <199805300551.WAA20731@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 29 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > I'm not sure. I'm using the one that came with Warp 4, without any FPs, so I assume > it's 4.x. Sounds like 4.02e. 4.1 is a software choice option which has caused quite a bit of problems under heavy use... mostly Trap E's. To find your version: type 'inetver'. > Should I get FPs for it? Nahhh... 4.02e is pretty stable and performs well for non-server use. ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 02:44:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215720660; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:44:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17745; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 02:43:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17660; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17648; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p20.hwts11.loop.net (p20.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.125]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24575; Fri, 29 May 1998 23:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805300642.XAA24575@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen Amadei" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 29 May 98 23:43:58 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 02:44:18 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Amadei wrote: >On Fri, 29 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I'm not sure. I'm using the one that came with Warp 4, without any FPs, so I assume >> it's 4.x. > >Sounds like 4.02e. 4.1 is a software choice option which has caused quite >a bit of problems under heavy use... mostly Trap E's. To find your >version: type 'inetver'. > Inet Version: 4.00e >> Should I get FPs for it? > >Nahhh... 4.02e is pretty stable and performs well for non-server use. > Should I get FPs for 4.00e then? Or do the problems traditionally start in 4.1? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 06:55:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238415716; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:55:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28090; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 06:54:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27972; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27959; Sat, 30 May 1998 06:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.203]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980530105326.JSEW5374@760>; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:53:26 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "David Ross" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:49:57 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980530105326.JSEW5374@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Be careful - he sent me a lot of hate mail. Seems we are supposed to believe that story! ---------- > From: David Ross > To: Thinkpad > Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD > Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 12:41 AM > > > W/r to the posting below, Bruce M. said: > > > >Do the right thing and return it to the rightful owner! > > > He can't - his "good friend" is the one who stole the machine, that's why he > had > to lam it out of the country. > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu > www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross > > > > >---------- > >> From: ZERO > >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >> Subject: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD > >> Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 7:15 PM > >> > >> How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? > >> I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the > >> password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the > >laptop > >> as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be > >> reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything > >> before asking around. > >> Please reply by e-mail. > >> > >> -ZERO > >> zero@netphoria.org > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 08:56:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA249633015; Sat, 30 May 1998 08:56:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29964; Sat, 30 May 1998 08:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 08:55:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29837; Sat, 30 May 1998 08:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.texas.net (mail3.texas.net [207.207.0.141]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29825; Sat, 30 May 1998 08:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ThinkPad.texas.net (tcnet01-24.sat.texas.net [209.99.49.24]) by mail3.texas.net (8.8.8/2.4) with ESMTP id HAA22466 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 07:55:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199805301255.HAA22466@mail3.texas.net> From: "Michael Kutchins" To: "Thinkpad News-group" Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 07:55:39 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 11:44:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA276373047; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:44:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02814; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 11:42:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02713; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolfenet.com (ratty.wolfe.net [204.157.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02699; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plew-new.seatimes.com (sea-ts2-p22.wolfenet.com [207.66.131.72]) by wolfenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA19652 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 08:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805301542.IAA19652@wolfenet.com> X-Sender: pele@popserv.wolfenet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 08:41:38 -0700 To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" From: Peter Lewis Subject: RE: win 98 In-Reply-To: <199805290014.SAA10580@mailrelay.sni.net> References: <199805281655.KAA16235@bobcat.sni.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't believe this list should become a forum for Win98's virtues or vices. But I cannot let Todd's love-in with the new OS go unchallenged, at least based on testing with a late Win98 release candidate. Yes it seems somewhat faster, yet it seems somewhat cooler, yes it does some things better. But guess what? On average, the typical Win98 install will consume 4x the space Win95 did. It will, minimally, require 4x the RAM Win95 did. For that amount of real estate and horsepower, it had *better* carry some improvements. But even MS, with its sunniest face, calls this an "evolution" or "tuneup" of Win95, not the revolution that Win95 was to Win3.x. The question is: Is it fair or reasonable for MS to charge the same price for an upgrade even they acknowledge is of limited value. End of rant. I promise I will not respond if this thread continues. At 06:14 PM 5/28/98 -0600, Todd A. Linn wrote: >Victor: > >Because what every writer wants, especially computer geek writers, is to be >"cool." Right now, its much cooler to dismiss Win 98 as a mere "upgrade" >and to bash Microsoft for anything possible. > >Of course, this is a completely incorrect stance as anyone who has spent >significant time with Win 98 will confirm. Plus if they create a problem, >they can make money solving it. There's not much reason to read the 100th >"me too" tips article if the OS does such a good job of regulating and >maintaining itself that no one has a desire to read such articles. > > > >---Todd Linn >toddlinn@csn.net >www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Victor Kress [mailto:kress@u.washington.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 10:55 PM >> To: toddlinn@csn.net >> Subject: RE: win 98 >> >> >> I can't conceive of any reason any commercial magazine (except meybe >> Linux World) would want to do anything but trumpet the wonders of >> Win98. They are all exclusively windows mags now, and new software >> means more churn in the market which means more sales. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:25 -0600, Todd A. Linn wrote: >> >> >Richard: >> > >> >Since I don't have to worry about selling magazines and advertising >> space, I >> >don't need to jump on the current Microsoft bashing wagon and can >> relate the >> >truth which is that Win 98 is significantly faster in all respects >> than Win >> >95 (for a variety of reasons), its more stable, and the power >> management >> >features will give you more time from your battery. >> > >> >---Todd Linn >> >toddlinn@csn.net >> >www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: richard [mailto:rpritz@interport.net] >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 7:54 AM >> >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >> >> Subject: win 98 >> >> >> >> >> >> My next Microsoft os question relates to Windows98. Anyone have >> >> any experience >> >> with the final version yet? >> >> >> >> According to PCMag and CNET, win98 is somewhat slower than win95, >> >> although maybe >> >> not noticeably, battery life is not as good (~15%), stability is >> >> better and >> >> networking is better. Does this correspond to anyone's experience? >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> ________________________________ >> Victor Kress >> Geological Sciences >> Box 351310 >> University of Washington >> Seattle, Washington >> 98195-1310 >> >> (206)616-8512 >> kress@u.washington.edu >> >> > -- Peter Lewis pele@wolfenet.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 12:37:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA282226244; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:37:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04253; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 12:36:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04169; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com ([209.142.0.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04148; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerryray (209-142-3-36.stk.inreach.net [209.142.3.36]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id JAA14516 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 09:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805301631.JAA14516@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Janice Ray" To: Subject: Thinkpad hardrive Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:36:17 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Could anyone out ther tell me if a 170 meg hardrive out of a tp360 will work in a tp 500 or a tp 700? Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 13:27:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA287199275; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:27:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05603; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 13:26:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05522; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05500; Sat, 30 May 1998 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts04.loop.net (p22.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.157]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA27368; Sat, 30 May 1998 10:21:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199805301721.KAA27368@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "djmusic@inreach.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 30 May 98 10:26:35 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad hardrive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 09:36:17 -0700, Janice Ray wrote: >Hello, Could anyone out ther tell me if a 170 meg hardrive out of a tp360 >will work in a tp 500 or a tp 700? 500, I think so, but it might need a 12.5mm drive. I could be wrong, but here it lists a 170MB drive option. http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/thinkpad/thinkpad_500-081,08N,171,17N_disk_tape_storage.html 700T? No, only uses solid state drives, particulary PCMCIA FLASH cards. 700C (MCA machine)? No, uses proprietary ESDI drives, and has MCA architecture. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 16:17:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA007509454; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:17:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09401; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 16:16:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09283; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09271; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppro (slip129-37-49-132.ca.us.ibm.net [129.37.49.132]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA51244 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:16:07 GMT Message-Id: <000301bd8c07$b9d6be40$0a646496@ppro> From: "Tom Schartman" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:15:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 16:46:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA010761210; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:46:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10200; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 16:46:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10105; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10093; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21865; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) From: rj Reply-To: rj To: David Ross Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: [TPALL] A nice link for information on cache limits In-Reply-To: <000101bd8ae9$c1a87e20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Very interesting discussion. It does lead to the question of how does one determine, if at all possible, what the limits of any given system is. The article said that this is a hardware situation and it would be OS independent. Is it possible that, perhaps, NT might deal with this better than Win95? Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned that the over the limit RAM could be used for ram disk or for disk cache. How is this done? On Fri, 29 May 1998, David Ross wrote: > Apropos of the recent thread on the effect of having > 64 meg on a ThinkPad (or > any Pentium machine) there's a clear discussion of the situation at > http://www.pcguide.com/ref/mbsys/cache/char_Cacheability.htm > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu > www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 17:20:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014943255; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:20:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11286; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 17:19:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11192; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11180; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-030.usc.edu [128.125.227.30]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA31196 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 14:19:46 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980530141947.00a33cdc@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:19:55 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear "ZERO" -- The general advice is that you will have to send your system to IBM and pay for complete replacement of the system board. But, according to the IBM hardware maintenance manuals for many IBM Thinkpads, the BIOS password can be defeated by jumpering a few readily accessible jumpers under the floppy drive. Some people claim to have defeated IBM TP passwords by disconnecting backup batteries for a couple of days -- e.g. Computer Exchange London. IBM deleted this information from their online service manuals -- however, it should be available in hardcopy manuals from IBM. One wonders about charges for motherboard replacement when IBM service manuals suggest shorting some jumpers resets passwords. Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. Molecular & Medical Pharmacology UCLA School of Medicine System: 9546-CD2 -- Serial No: 557D7F8 -- Purchased: 4/22/97 >From: ZERO >Subject: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD > >How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? >I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the >password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the laptop >as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be >reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything >before asking around. >Please reply by e-mail. >-ZERO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 18:58:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026179104; Sat, 30 May 1998 18:58:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13795; Sat, 30 May 1998 18:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 18:57:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13671; Sat, 30 May 1998 18:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay.sni.net (mailrelay.sni.net [199.117.160.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13659; Sat, 30 May 1998 18:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from upstairs (p35.Denver3.dialup.csn.net [204.133.251.35]) by mailrelay.sni.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07222 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:57:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199805302257.QAA07222@mailrelay.sni.net> Reply-To: From: "Todd A. Linn" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: win 98 Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:57:01 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199805301542.IAA19652@wolfenet.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Peter: > But guess what? On average, the typical Win98 install will consume 4x the > space. This is a) incorrect and b) irrelevant. Who cares if it sucks up a few more Kb? Storage prices are falling faster than anything else. Nor has MS *ever* said Win 98 was of limited value. That garbage comes from the magazines. Win 98 is a significant upgrade and a significant improvement in every way. Chances are it will outsell Win 95, which is the largest selling piece of software in the universe. Yes it is an evolution, I don't think I sad anything to the contrary. Its faster, better and uses resources more efficiently. I was responding to a specific piece of misinformation that Richard had asked. What he heard was wrong. As to what is a "fair or reasonable" price, what a bunch of whining crap. MS is not the government. They don't have to be fair or reasonable. They charge what they like and the marketplace will either consume the product or not. If you feel put upon by MS's price, just don't upgrade. They aren't in business to make you feel good, they're in business to make their shareholders feel good. Just don't complain if the old OS you're running doesn't support the fantastic piece of new hardware you're trying to run. I suspect you basically don't know what you are taking about. What build was the "late Win 98 release candidate" you "tested"? How long did you "test" it? A few minutes playing around with the mouse? I've been living with Win 98 for over ten months. That's why I felt qualified to address Richard's concerns. So, if you want to challenge me, perhaps you better have some ammunition. Yes, I do "love" Win 98. I love anything that makes my computers work better so I can be more productive. If your criteria for what constitutes a good OS is different from that, fine. ---Todd Linn toddlinn@csn.net www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Lewis [mailto:pele@wolfenet.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 9:42 AM > To: Thinkpad Mailing List > Subject: RE: win 98 > > > I don't believe this list should become a forum for Win98's virtues or > vices. But I cannot let Todd's love-in with the new OS go unchallenged, at > least based on testing with a late Win98 release candidate. Yes it seems > somewhat faster, yet it seems somewhat cooler, yes it does some > things better. > But guess what? On average, the typical Win98 install will consume 4x the > space > Win95 did. It will, minimally, require 4x the RAM Win95 did. For that > amount of real estate and horsepower, it had *better* carry some > improvements. But even MS, with its sunniest face, calls this an > "evolution" or "tuneup" of Win95, not the revolution that Win95 was to > Win3.x. The question is: Is it fair or reasonable for MS to > charge the same > price for an upgrade even they acknowledge is of limited value. > > End of rant. I promise I will not respond if this thread continues. > > At 06:14 PM 5/28/98 -0600, Todd A. Linn wrote: > >Victor: > > > >Because what every writer wants, especially computer geek > writers, is to be > >"cool." Right now, its much cooler to dismiss Win 98 as a mere "upgrade" > >and to bash Microsoft for anything possible. > > > >Of course, this is a completely incorrect stance as anyone who has spent > >significant time with Win 98 will confirm. Plus if they create > a problem, > >they can make money solving it. There's not much reason to read > the 100th > >"me too" tips article if the OS does such a good job of regulating and > >maintaining itself that no one has a desire to read such articles. > > > > > > > >---Todd Linn > >toddlinn@csn.net > >www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Victor Kress [mailto:kress@u.washington.edu] > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 1998 10:55 PM > >> To: toddlinn@csn.net > >> Subject: RE: win 98 > >> > >> > >> I can't conceive of any reason any commercial magazine (except meybe > >> Linux World) would want to do anything but trumpet the wonders of > >> Win98. They are all exclusively windows mags now, and new software > >> means more churn in the market which means more sales. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 28 May 1998 10:24:25 -0600, Todd A. Linn wrote: > >> > >> >Richard: > >> > > >> >Since I don't have to worry about selling magazines and advertising > >> space, I > >> >don't need to jump on the current Microsoft bashing wagon and can > >> relate the > >> >truth which is that Win 98 is significantly faster in all respects > >> than Win > >> >95 (for a variety of reasons), its more stable, and the power > >> management > >> >features will give you more time from your battery. > >> > > >> >---Todd Linn > >> >toddlinn@csn.net > >> >www.idcomm.com/personal/talweb > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: richard [mailto:rpritz@interport.net] > >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 1998 7:54 AM > >> >> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > >> >> Subject: win 98 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> My next Microsoft os question relates to Windows98. Anyone have > >> >> any experience > >> >> with the final version yet? > >> >> > >> >> According to PCMag and CNET, win98 is somewhat slower than win95, > >> >> although maybe > >> >> not noticeably, battery life is not as good (~15%), stability is > >> >> better and > >> >> networking is better. Does this correspond to anyone's experience? > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> Victor Kress > >> Geological Sciences > >> Box 351310 > >> University of Washington > >> Seattle, Washington > >> 98195-1310 > >> > >> (206)616-8512 > >> kress@u.washington.edu > >> > >> > > > -- > > Peter Lewis > pele@wolfenet.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 19:09:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA027689797; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:09:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14318; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 19:09:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14237; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14225; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXNF359TKG973BZV@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:09:16 MST Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:03:33 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD In-Reply-To: "Message dated Sat, 30 May 1998 14:19:55 -0700" <3.0.32.19980530141947.00a33cdc@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXNFF48NOA973BZV@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > according to the IBM hardware maintenance manuals for many IBM > Thinkpads, the BIOS password can be defeated by jumpering a few > readily accessible jumpers under the floppy drive. Or battery. In my service manual this is for the "Power-On Password" (you turn off the computer, install a jumper, power it on and wait for the self-test to finish, then shut it off and remove the jumper) then there are the "Supervisor" and "Hard Disk" passwords - here the manual says you have to obtain permission from the password owner, in other words you need the password because there is no way to bypass it. This is where they nail you for a new system board or hard drive.. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 19:46:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032211968; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:46:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15237; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 19:44:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15114; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15102; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-004-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.100]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA07587; Sat, 30 May 1998 17:44:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <357099EF.4A55DFB3@cia-g.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 17:44:47 -0600 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@broadcast.net Organization: Kolob Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD References: <3.0.32.19980530141947.00a33cdc@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In our experience, they did short some jumpers, drain some capacitors. They did not replace the motherboard. They charged $178 plus a new shipping carton, and shipping charges... it was over $225. And we had to prove it was ours. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 19:57:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA033082634; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:57:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15763; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 19:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15683; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15671; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp14.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:56:20 PST From: "peter machule" To: Subject: HMM and other manuals was Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 16:47:55 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd8bea$b16d9980$52645a8e@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thank You ...Thank You It's very usefull to have the HMM on disk and also found a pdf version of the standard manual for the 760E's. IBM's web page is such a big pain in the %$&*( . They have only the HTML version with no way of downloading anything else and the link was brocken; again . I don't know how many people they have playing with their web page, but I really wish they would keep from moving things ...weekly !!!!!!!! ..peter... - >On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:33:35 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >>Is there a procedure on how to replace the HDD? >>I mean which screws to undo, etc. > > As everyone has stated, you can browse the IBM HMMs at the web site >above. I prefer to download them, where they can be read, skimmed, and >printed at leisure myself. If you want, go to >ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles and download them. The one I have >with the 560 and other models is file name tpvol3.pdf. You'll need >Acrobat's reader to view it, and it's about 7MB. The procedure looks >fairly simple (page 309). You have to remove 14 screws in the base, >flip the unit over and remove the keyboard frame (the part with the >LEDs and wrist-rest), and the drive is right there. Bill is right, >there are 12 little screws and two long ones, but the diagrams mention >which go where. Let us know how it goes! > epbrown >Stop by the Portable Computing Center for >the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. >http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 22:02:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA048360136; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:02:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21793; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 22:01:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21662; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21646; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csc.com by challenge.e-net.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id UAA11952; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:58:04 -0500 Message-Id: <3570B9EA.B78A1C75@csc.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:01:14 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 References: <199805292220.PAA04207@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Regardless of how genuine it is, if it isn't exactly the right spec and fully compatible with the other memory in the system it might cause problems like you describe. I've seen some fairly mis-matched memory modules work just fine in a PC and I've seen some supposedly identical modules cause conflicts. Best way to check is to take the new memory out and see if the problem goes away. Later, Rob Paul Khoury wrote: > On Fri, 29 May 1998 14:52:59 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: > > >It could be bad memory. Either a physically faulty memory chip or an incompatibility between the > >technology of the one you just replaced and they other existing memory in the PC. > > > Well, the new one is genuine IBM memory, but someone > hinted that it could be my version of Netscape. Ironically, > I added nothing recently, and this started happening this month. :( > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 22:08:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049370517; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:08:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22705; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 22:07:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22586; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22535; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from csc.com by challenge.e-net.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id VAA12274; Sat, 30 May 1998 21:05:18 -0500 Message-Id: <3570BB9D.5DBAD610@csc.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:08:29 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ZERO Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: DELETING IBM THINKPAD BIOS PASSWORD References: <3.0.3.32.19980529191503.0073606c@mail.globalserve.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The power-on password is un-changeable unless you know the existing password. The PC would have to be sent to IBM to have the system board replaced to fix the problem if you can't remember the password. It is designed that way so that if the PC is ever stolen, the idiotic thief would have absolutely no way to use the PC. Better find a way to get in touch with your generous friend... Later, Rob ZERO wrote: > How do you delete a IBM BIOS/power-on password when it loads up? > I have a IBM THINKPAD, 365DX. It's a Pentium model. I do not remember the > password and cannot bring it to a IBM dealer because I recieved the laptop > as a gift from a friend that moved out of the country and cannot be > reached. I know there is a way somehow but don't want to try anything > before asking around. > Please reply by e-mail. > > -ZERO > zero@netphoria.org -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell 'at' csi 'period' com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 22:38:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054092283; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:38:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27216; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 22:37:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27116; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27087; Sat, 30 May 1998 22:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp13.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Sat, 30 May 1998 19:36:25 PST From: "peter machule" To: Subject: Re: HMM and other manuals was Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 19:33:12 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd8c01$c8e44160$52645a8e@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 76eusegd.pdf 2073478 04-02-98 User's Guide for TP760E/ED/EL at : ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles ..peter.. >> found a pdf version of the standard manual for the 760E's. > >WHERE??? > >> IBM's web page is such a big pain in the %$&*( . > >I agree. > >> They have only the HTML version with no way of downloading anything else and >> the link was brocken; again . > >Ouch. Looks like they play with the site every weekend. Must be >keeping a bunch of web builders very busy. Methinks it's a make-work program.....seriously is the info available better or easier to find than say a year ago ??? > >James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 23:44:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064576270; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:44:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28933; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 23:43:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28845; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28833; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts09.loop.net (p29.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.74]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20083; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805310342.UAA20083@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "epbrown@enteract.com" , "peter machule" Date: Sat, 30 May 98 20:44:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HMM and other manuals was Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 16:47:55 -0000, peter machule wrote: >Thank You ...Thank You >It's very usefull to have the HMM on disk and also >found a pdf version of the standard manual for the 760E's. >IBM's web page is such a big pain in the %$&*( . >They have only the HTML version with no way of downloading anything else and >the link was brocken; again . >I don't know how many people they have playing with their web page, but I >really wish >they would keep from moving things ...weekly !!!!!!!! And additionally, when I want to search for something in each particular subdomain, it all goes to www.ibm.com/help, and I can never find exactly what I'm looking for. You'd think that such a big company like IBM could do better than that... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 23:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA065366444; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:47:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29373; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 23:46:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29257; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29227; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts09.loop.net (p29.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.74]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20363; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805310345.UAA20363@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" , "rj" Date: Sat, 30 May 98 20:46:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPALL] A nice link for information on cache limits Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >Very interesting discussion. It does lead to the question of how does >one determine, if at all possible, what the limits of any given system >is. The article said that this is a hardware situation and it would >be OS independent. Is it possible that, perhaps, NT might deal with >this better than Win95? > >Somewhere in this thread it was mentioned that the over the limit RAM >could be used for ram disk or for disk cache. How is this done? I think the operating system handles this. I would imagine that NT, OS/2, and Linux would all handle memory a lot better than Windows 95. For a RAM disk, there should be drivers for 95, NT, OS/2, DOS, and Linux that you can load up also. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat May 30 23:52:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA065706727; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:52:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29938; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 30 May 1998 23:50:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29834; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29796; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p29.hwts09.loop.net (p29.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.74]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA20785; Sat, 30 May 1998 20:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805310349.UAA20785@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 30 May 98 20:51:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP701 - Hardware problems in OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 21:01:14 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >Regardless of how genuine it is, if it isn't exactly the right spec and fully compatible with the >other memory in the system it might cause problems like you describe. I've seen some fairly >mis-matched memory modules work just fine in a PC and I've seen some supposedly identical modules >cause conflicts. Best way to check is to take the new memory out and see if the problem goes away. > Unfortunately, that's not an option because Warp 4 *requires* 12MB of RAM or higher, and I'm happy with 24MB (well, sort of). I'm going to try to upgrade TCP/IP soon. But one thing that is quite strange that seems to be a hardware problem is that the keyboard and mouse will sometimes lock up, and what's really interesting, is that by pressing all CRTL, ALT, and SHIFT keys simultaniously, the system makes beeps, and I get some access back. I have a feeling that it might also be the system getting hot (I'm in the RC5 contest, and since I have it on this machine, it gets VERY VERY HOT). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 00:12:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070097943; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:12:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01169; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 00:10:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01035; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01023; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:10:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a48.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.48]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA16276; Sat, 30 May 1998 21:09:40 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199805310409.VAA16276@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Sat, 30 May 98 21:12:46 -0700 To: "Paul Khoury" , "Thinkpads" In-Reply-To: <199805310342.UAA20083@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: HMM and other manuals was Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199805310342.UAA20083@stevie.loop.com>, on 05/30/98 at 08:44 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: >And additionally, when I want to search for something in each >particular subdomain, it all goes to www.ibm.com/help, and I can >never find exactly what I'm looking for. Their help engine and search engine(s) need some serious work. I was looking for information on the DOCK II and what part # for the SCSI drive adaptor for the small slot, and I could not find it. I had to look at a file here (luckily I kept it) and found it. >You'd think that such a big company like IBM could do better than >that... They are not the worst by far. Try Microsoft for fun. I wanted to reference a page on what to do if your Registry becomes corrupted or destroyed. Could not find the page. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 00:54:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075220485; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:54:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02712; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 00:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02585; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02573; Sun, 31 May 1998 00:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts12.loop.net (p24.hwts12.loop.net [207.211.62.159]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA25816 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 21:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805310451.VAA25816@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 30 May 98 21:52:47 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HMM and other manuals was Re: [TP560] HDD Installation Instructions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 98 21:12:46 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: >In <199805310342.UAA20083@stevie.loop.com>, on 05/30/98 > at 08:44 PM, "Paul Khoury" said: > >>And additionally, when I want to search for something in each >>particular subdomain, it all goes to www.ibm.com/help, and I can >>never find exactly what I'm looking for. > >Their help engine and search engine(s) need some serious work. I was >looking for information on the DOCK II and what part # for the SCSI >drive adaptor for the small slot, and I could not find it. I had to >look at a file here (luckily I kept it) and found it. > When they have a link for a search engine, they should let it pertain to that particular section, whether it's storage.ibm.com, networking.ibm.com, software.ibm.com, etc., and have a link to the main search engine for those who need it. I know they have the processing power and capability of doing this... >>You'd think that such a big company like IBM could do better than >>that... > >They are not the worst by far. Try Microsoft for fun. I wanted to >reference a page on what to do if your Registry becomes corrupted or >destroyed. Could not find the page. > Some of their pages are pitiful. I couldn't even view the page for IE 4.0 on Solaris (or something related) on a Mac with Netscape Communicator 4.04. And in general, their pages are cheap. I'm not saying mine are better, but for a big corporation, I've seen better from individuals and smaller corporations. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 03:27:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA095919630; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:27:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06937; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 03:24:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06703; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06691; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maslow.cia-g.com (kglp@maslow.cia-g.com [207.66.82.35]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA14808 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 01:24:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:24:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Todd Miller To: Thinkpad List Subject: 760ED Reformat of Hard drive Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Something simple has turned out to be difficult. I inherited a 760ED at work from a person who retired. He had so much junk on it that I couldn't uninstall along with a couple of corrupted files, that I decided to reformat the hard drive. I also had some nice new software to install as well. And the Windows CD ROM would not allow me to reinstall since it noticed I already had Windows 95 installed. Upon reformatting the hard drive, I found that I could NOT access the CD rom even though I had the CD Rom utility diskette. The fine people at IBM tech support said I needed to have them "reimage" my system at a cost of $178. They said this happens a lot if somebody reformats their drive. What does "reimage" mean? Does anyone have a simpler answer? I am going to download and install all the IBM thinkpad files in the morning and maybe the installation of all 30 diskettes will help. But that is a lot of work if there is a simple answer. Todd M From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 03:32:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096919955; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:32:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07240; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 03:31:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07161; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07149; Sun, 31 May 1998 03:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maslow.cia-g.com (kglp@maslow.cia-g.com [207.66.82.35]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA14881 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 01:31:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:31:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Todd Miller To: ThinkPad List Subject: RAMDRIVE In-Reply-To: <199805310342.UAA20083@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For whomever asked the question about using extra RAM as a hard drive, you can do it on windows 3.1 or DOS with RAMDRIVE.SYS or other commands which name the ram as drive. Works as long as your computer is turned on. You are in deep doodoo if you have a transient power fault, but it is rather handy for somethings. I don't know if it can be done with Windows 95, but it was possible in Warp 2.0 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 04:28:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA101813315; Sun, 31 May 1998 04:28:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09166; Sun, 31 May 1998 04:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 04:27:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09084; Sun, 31 May 1998 04:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw6.pacbell.net (mail-gw6.pacbell.net [206.13.28.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09072; Sun, 31 May 1998 04:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valmen (ppp-206-170-32-141.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.141]) by mail-gw6.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id BAA16803; Sun, 31 May 1998 01:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3571155F.17F2@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 01:31:27 -0700 From: Voltaire Almendrala X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Todd Miller Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED Reformat of Hard drive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "Reimage" means that they will reload the original files that were installed on the hard drive when it left the factory. There is a pretty simple solution to your dilemma which will cost you substantially less than $178: 1) Make a DOS boot disk with the cd-rom driver & mscdex.exe on it. Load the appropriate statements in your config.sys and autoexec.bat files. 2) Once you've booted the 76OED with the boot disk, your CD-ROM drive should show up. Insert your Win95 CD into the drive and look for a folder/dir called Win95. This dir contains all the *.cab & setup files. 3) Make a dir on your local drive (C:) called Win95. Copy everything in the Win95 CD's Win95 directory to C:\Win95. 4) Reboot the system (without the DOS boot disk) and go to C:\Win95. Type SETUP and you should be all set. Note: The procedure assumes that you have reformatted the hard drive (C:\ drive) and made it bootable. Also, you should have all the relevant driver disks for the 760ED. Good luck! //VA Todd Miller wrote: > > What does "reimage" mean? Does anyone have a simpler answer? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 05:54:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109028451; Sun, 31 May 1998 05:54:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14771; Sun, 31 May 1998 05:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 05:53:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14682; Sun, 31 May 1998 05:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14669; Sun, 31 May 1998 05:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA16121 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:52:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 31 May 98 11:52:53 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 31 May 98 11:52:29 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA (132.187.248.152) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 31 May 98 11:52:24 +0200 From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:52:44 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MPEG on 760XD/OS/2 Message-Id: <2583C5B43B1@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Yesterday I tried some MPEG's form NASA to run on my 760XD. Unfortunately I only get a green screen in the MPEG-Window (opening in the proper size) and that's it. No error or video. Any hints about that? I can use the same MPEGs on my workstation, but not on the ThinkPad. So I think the videos are OK. But what's wrong then. The "delivered" MPEG (rocketlaunch) works as well on the TP. Seems to be a bit starnge... -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 10:16:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA132444205; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:16:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18105; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 10:15:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17933; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17916; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts15.loop.net (p26.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.251]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA29484; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805311414.HAA29484@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Todd Miller" Date: Sun, 31 May 98 07:15:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998 01:31:52 -0600 (MDT), Todd Miller wrote: > >For whomever asked the question about using extra RAM >as a hard drive, you can do it on windows 3.1 or DOS >with RAMDRIVE.SYS or other commands which name the >ram as drive. Works as long as your computer is turned >on. You are in deep doodoo if you have a transient >power fault, but it is rather handy for somethings. > >I don't know if it can be done with Windows 95, but it >was possible in Warp 2.0 I'm sure you can with Win 95 using a DOS driver. And you can also do so in Warp 3/4 with a third party driver (I think there's some free/shareware that does the purpose). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 10:18:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA132804325; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:18:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18394; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 10:17:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18277; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18248; Sun, 31 May 1998 10:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts15.loop.net (p26.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.251]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA29606; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805311417.HAA29606@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Todd Miller" Date: Sun, 31 May 98 07:17:37 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760ED Reformat of Hard drive Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >What does "reimage" mean? Does anyone have a simpler answer? > It means that they send you back your drive as if you just bought the machine and took it out of the box. It has all the original software on it. IBM used to have a CD-ROM, and I was lucky to get a copy for the 701, but I think this is the only option now. What were you planning to use the drive for? >I am going to download and install all the IBM thinkpad files in the morning >and maybe the installation of all 30 diskettes will help. But that is a >lot of work if there is a simple answer. See the above question -are you using it as an extra drive, or as a boot drive? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 11:17:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA138357843; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:17:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19503; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 11:14:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19424; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19412; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usrts2p142.port.net (usrts2p142.port.net [207.237.105.142]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA24821; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:14:08 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: win 98 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:13:57 -0400 Message-Id: <3572710a.48350136@mail.interport.net> References: <199805302257.QAA07222@mailrelay.sni.net> In-Reply-To: <199805302257.QAA07222@mailrelay.sni.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 30 May 1998 16:57:01 -0600, "Todd A. Linn" wrote: >Nor has MS *ever* said Win 98 was of limited value. That garbage comes from >the magazines. Win 98 is a significant upgrade and a significant >improvement in every way. Chances are it will outsell Win 95, which is the >largest selling piece of software in the universe. > >Yes it is an evolution, I don't think I sad anything to the contrary. Its >faster, better and uses resources more efficiently. I was responding to a >specific piece of misinformation that Richard had asked. What he heard was >wrong. I installed Win98 yesterday. It seems to be slower than Win95, but not by much. FWIW, benchmark speed (PCMag's Winstone 97) is virtually identical (Win95 = 18, WIn98 = 17.5). However, the system feels slower than before - pages draw slower, Internet Explorer on Win98 seems slower than Netscape Navigator on Win95, switching between programs seems to churn the disk a bit more than before. At least on my TP560. Stability (after approx one day of use) seems the same. It takes up about 100mb more than Win95. I have not had any problems with hardware compatibility. One software program (Reachout) generates error messages about lack of compatibiltiy with Win98. BTW, I brought up the issue of Win98 to help decide whether to use it on my TP, not to debate the general utility of the OS or MS's legal position, operating philosophies, etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 14:24:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA161689058; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:24:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23734; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 14:20:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23649; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23637; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (164.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.164]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA01695; Sun, 31 May 1998 14:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35704E21.1A8D5FAA@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:21:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: djmusic@inreach.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad hardrive References: <199805301631.JAA14516@mail.inreach.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, it will Janice Ray wrote: > Hello, Could anyone out ther tell me if a 170 meg hardrive out of a tp360 > will work in a tp 500 or a tp 700? > Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 16:51:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA182017905; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:51:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27333; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 16:47:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27178; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27166; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:47:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from BOB (pm1-203.mry.redshift.com [207.204.197.203]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA01209; Sun, 31 May 1998 13:47:42 -0700 Message-Id: <199805312047.NAA01209@mail.redshift.com> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 13:46:47 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199805311414.HAA29484@stevie.loop.com> Cc: pkhoury@loop.com Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <199805311414.HAA29484@stevie.loop.com>, on 05/31/98 at 07:15 AM, "Paul Khoury" said: >And you can also do so in Warp 3/4 with a third party driver (I think >there's some free/shareware that does the purpose). Warp includes VDISK. Just type HELP VDISK at a Warp prompt. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 19:53:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA203018785; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:53:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00603; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 19:49:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00453; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00439; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts15.loop.net (p07.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.232]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA11011; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199805312349.QAA11011@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "bstephan@redshift.com" Date: Sun, 31 May 98 16:49:45 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998 13:46:47 -0700, bstephan@redshift.com wrote: >In <199805311414.HAA29484@stevie.loop.com>, on 05/31/98 > at 07:15 AM, "Paul Khoury" said: > >>And you can also do so in Warp 3/4 with a third party driver (I think >>there's some free/shareware that does the purpose). > >Warp includes VDISK. Just type HELP VDISK at a Warp prompt. I forgot about this one. But there was also a third-party IFS that does the same function, but acts more like an HD with long file name support. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 19:54:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA203188853; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:54:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00816; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 19:52:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00720; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00708; Sun, 31 May 1998 19:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.248]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980531235134.KHSD22548@760>; Sun, 31 May 1998 23:51:34 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "richard" , Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: win 98 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:47:46 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980531235134.KHSD22548@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Seems to me you (we) may need updated video drivers for W98. That may be the cause of the video slowdown (remember the 75X series with the Western Digital 90c24 video chip? WD never wrote a W95 driver for it, and the driver included in W95 is a real dog!) ---------- > From: richard > To: toddlinn@csn.net > Cc: Thinkpad Mailing List > Subject: Re: win 98 > Date: Sunday, May 31, 1998 11:13 AM > > On Sat, 30 May 1998 16:57:01 -0600, "Todd A. Linn" wrote: > > >Nor has MS *ever* said Win 98 was of limited value. That garbage comes from > >the magazines. Win 98 is a significant upgrade and a significant > >improvement in every way. Chances are it will outsell Win 95, which is the > >largest selling piece of software in the universe. > > > >Yes it is an evolution, I don't think I sad anything to the contrary. Its > >faster, better and uses resources more efficiently. I was responding to a > >specific piece of misinformation that Richard had asked. What he heard was > >wrong. > > I installed Win98 yesterday. It seems to be slower than Win95, but not by much. > FWIW, benchmark speed (PCMag's Winstone 97) is virtually identical (Win95 = 18, > WIn98 = 17.5). However, the system feels slower than before - pages draw > slower, Internet Explorer on Win98 seems slower than Netscape Navigator on > Win95, switching between programs seems to churn the disk a bit more than > before. At least on my TP560. > > Stability (after approx one day of use) seems the same. It takes up about 100mb > more than Win95. > > I have not had any problems with hardware compatibility. One software program > (Reachout) generates error messages about lack of compatibiltiy with Win98. > > BTW, I brought up the issue of Win98 to help decide whether to use it on my TP, > not to debate the general utility of the OS or MS's legal position, operating > philosophies, etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 20:06:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA203839582; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:06:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01598; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 20:04:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01481; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01468; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA26857; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:19:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , "bstephan@redshift.com" Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE In-Reply-To: <199805312349.QAA11011@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > I forgot about this one. But there was also a third-party IFS that does the > same function, but acts more like an HD with long file name support. TVFS? Toronto Virtual File System? ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 20:21:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA205170495; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:21:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02342; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 20:19:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02250; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02237; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts15.loop.net (p07.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.232]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA13350; Sun, 31 May 1998 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806010018.RAA13350@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Steve Parker" Cc: "bstephan@redshift.com" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 31 May 98 17:19:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998 17:19:34 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Sun, 31 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I forgot about this one. But there was also a third-party IFS that does the >> same function, but acts more like an HD with long file name support. > > TVFS? Toronto Virtual File System? Nope, TVFS is different. I don't know how to describe it, but I used it before on my P75 for my website (a demonstration). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 21:45:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA213455541; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:45:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03964; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 21:42:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03878; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03866; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA26931; Sun, 31 May 1998 18:57:43 -0700 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:57:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: "bstephan@redshift.com" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE In-Reply-To: <199806010018.RAA13350@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Nope, TVFS is different. I don't know how to describe it, but I used it before on my P75 > for my website (a demonstration). I also remember SWVDISK, a RAM disk that could be swapped out to the virtual memory swap file. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun May 31 22:00:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA215026430; Sun, 31 May 1998 22:00:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04621; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 31 May 1998 21:58:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04534; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04521; Sun, 31 May 1998 21:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net from [204.251.28.31] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 31 May 98 20:58:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 20:57:49 CST From: "Mark O. Davis" Reply-To: mdavis1@airmail.net Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Addressed to: "Paul Khoury" "ThinkPad List" ** Reply to note from "Paul Khoury" Sun, 31 May 98 17:19:08 SVDisk, or Super Virtual Disk. Shareware, fully configurable to any size. Mark in San Angelo mdavis1@airmail.net 05/31/98, 20:57:47