From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 03:22:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252455740; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:22:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14515; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14120; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprtp (smtprtp.nortel.com [192.122.117.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14084; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806010717.DAA14084@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from bcarsfba (actually bcarsfba.ott.bnr.ca) by smtprtp; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:17:20 -0400 Received: from ca.nortel.com by bcarsfba.ca.nortel.com id <28998-0@bcarsfba.ca.nortel.com>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 03:16:52 -0400 Date: 01 Jun 1998 03:15 EDT Sender: "Daniel Hammett" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Daniel Hammett" Subject: unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubsribe *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Dan Hammett - TN-16X Hardware Engineer | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | NORTEL Engineering Centre | | | Doagh Road, | Tel: +44 (0) 1232 363525 | | Newtownabbey | ESN: 6 751 3525 | | Co. Antrim, BT36 6XA | Email: dhammett@nortel.com | | Northern Ireland | | *---------------------------------------------------------------* | Opinions expressed in this email are mine, not my employer's | *---------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 10:19:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292890750; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:19:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02330; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:15:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02224; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02211; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ppp-223-136.usc.edu [128.125.223.136]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA24524 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:21:37 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Oops...dropped my 560 (Part 2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Worse News: It would boot to DOS, but not Win 95 (even safe mode)--I needed that w/ network support to get some important stuff off of it. So I ran Norton Disk Doctor on it for most of the day...and then the evening...bad sectors *everywhere*. When I woke up this morning, the thing was making the most *awful* sound... No doubt about it...this thing is *dead*. <*Cry Pitifully*> ...and right after I bought that 64 MB RAM module too! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 10:20:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA292980813; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:20:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02095; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:11:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01727; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01713; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ppp-223-136.usc.edu [128.125.223.136]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id HAA24175 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:44:29 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Oops...dropped my 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yikes! If I didn't have a desktop machine to write this with, I don't quite know what I'd do... The Bad News: This morning through an unfortunate chain of events, I managed to drop my TP 560--and it dropped on kitchen linoleum. The screen lights up, but looks something like a pasty-white. A nice, even pasty-white, if that means anything. The display isn't cracked or anything--it just shows white when turned on. Maybe its something simple like a connector came loose? Its also at least 8 months out of warranty...(damn, I wish that 3-year warranty applied to the 560's!). The Good News: I *think* it boots up OK, which means the workings are functional and presumably I can retrieve my data off the HD. I'll try to confirm that later this afternoon when I have time to hook it up to the external monitor from my desktop and see if it functions. Anyone on the list interested in selling their 560? Or maybe this is God's way of telling me its time to buy a 600... ;-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 11:58:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA008776693; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:58:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08175; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:52:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07733; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07691; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA22021 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:51:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15330 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8D53.F58C0C40@ntmail.tiac.net>; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:53:57 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Harry Teszler'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Swap between zone 1 and zone 2 DVD ? Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:53:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I heard on DVD drives there is a limit as to the number of times you can change the zone. This is a limit implemented in the firmware of the drive and not in the driver (so reinstall does not work). There are people who have worked around it but I do not have details. I do not know if this applies to the thinkpad. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >---------- >From: Bill Morrow[SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] >Sent: Saturday, May 30, 1998 1:15 AM >To: Harry Teszler >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Swap between zone 1 and zone 2 DVD ? > >Harry.. >i believe that you must reload each time you change zones.. >there is a LOT more to this zone thing then, at first, meets the eye.. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 13:08:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA025650901; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:08:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13419; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13313; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13301; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial6.waterw.com (dial6.waterw.com [209.107.20.21]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22306 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806011704.NAA22306@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:05:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Oops...dropped my 560 (Part 2) Reply-To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-Reply-To: <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 1 Jun 98 at 7:21, Randal Whittle wrote: > No doubt about it...this thing is *dead*. <*Cry Pitifully*> Definitely one of those times one wishes that they had sprung for the 3 or 5 year warranty extension. Regards, James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 15:57:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA169051024; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:57:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23021; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:48:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22845; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22653; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ppp-223-018.usc.edu [128.125.223.18]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA12784 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806011945.MAA12784@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:52:21 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP600--Best Prices & Misc. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, for what its worth, the best price I found on a TP 600 was at www.pcnation.com. They're asking $4285 for the P-II 266 or $3726 for the P-II 233. The web site even says they have them in stock! Problem: They're web site is wrong. Gave me the excuse that its an old version of their Being a desperate sort without a laptop, I cried, begged, cajoled...and still got nowhere. It seems these little beasts are nowhere to be found. I tried CDW, Microwarehouse, local outlets...*everything*. Then I tried PC Zone. Oddly enough, this is the same place I bought my 560 >from about 21 months ago. Back then, they were one of the few that had 560's in stock. :-) Back then I was also able to get them to come down in price by at least *attempting* to match (they came reasonably close) a price I had found elsewhere at that time. Tried getting them to do it this time with the PC Nation prices above, but no dice. :-) Soooo...I wanted the P-II 266 model...BUT for $500 less--and perhaps more importantly, not having to wait an unknown amount of time--I can have the P-II 233 model tomorrow. So I placed the order. A bit more than the lowest I found, but at $3849, its pretty much par for the course--there's not a lot of price variation out there on these things. I also got them to shave a few bucks off the IBM 64 MB memory module (the cheapo 3rd parties don't seem to be ramped up to make this SDRAM memory for the latest ThinkPads just yet). Ultimately, I can't imagine there being *too* much difference in speed between a PII-266 vs. a 233--at least in terms of just percentages, that's 14%, assuming all else is equal, and ultimately I would very much prefer to put a big honker of a HD in it anyway (whenever the 6.4 GB's come out and settle down from the price stratosphere). So to save $500 (and have one right away) on an item that I really didn't want to buy just yet (but for being forced to by my 560's demise), I guess its an acceptable tradeoff. Maybe...just *maybe*...I'll see if the 560's video (the TFT screen is intact) can be repaired reasonably cheaply. IF so, then some months down the road I can upgrade the 600's HD and not have wasted the 3 GB drive it comes with--it can just go to the 560 and together with the screen fix (any takers on how much that would cost?), it will be a working machine again...maybe, just maybe... At any rate, I once did a nice little review (which many people seemed to like and feel was informative) of the 560 when I first got one, comparing it to the 701C at that time and some aside comparisons to the 750C I once owned. Give me a week or so and perhaps I can do the same for this 600 comparing to the 560. Would that be something anyone cares to see? Or have the reviews of the 600 we've already seen sufficient? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 19:49:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA204614987; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:49:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03139; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:47:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03011; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02993; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 19:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 126.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.126]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980601234634.DWLK9946@126.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:46:34 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: TP List Subject: Re: Oops...dropped my 560 (Part 2) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 23:46:25 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <3575e08e.1963456@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:21:37 -0700, you wrote: >No doubt about it...this thing is *dead*. <*Cry Pitifully*> > >...and right after I bought that 64 MB RAM module too! Did you run the Easy Setup diagnostics on it? It sounds as if the drive was running when the unit was dropped, and if everything else passes the tests, I'd say you simply need a new drive. The display problem sounds like loose connector, as you diagnosed earlier. Unless there's major case damage, you could still be in business. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 21:11:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214959910; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:11:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06106; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:10:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05987; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05969; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806020110.VAA05969@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 31 May 1988 18:07:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Mon, 01 Jun 98 18:10:20 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpad Vendor Survey Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm about to replace my trusty 750 mono with a shiny 770. Before I plunk down all that hard earned money, I wanted to get a feel for what people on this list think of the place where they purchased their thinkpad. I would appreciate it if folks would fill out the form below and send it back to me (not the group). Those of you who buy a new thinkpad every 100 hours can respond more than once :). On the questions marked (0-5), 0 is as bad as it gets and 5 is as good as it gets. SEND REPLIES TO ME, NOT THE LIST. I will tabulate the responses next week and send the results to the group. Comments can go under other, and I'll tack them on the summary categorised by vendor. Thanks, -Victor ---------------snip here------------------------------ Vendor: Price (0-5): Availability (0-5): Honesty (0-5): Promptness (0-5); Service (0-5): Competence (0-5): Price for accessories (0-5): Other: ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 21:22:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA216330523; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:22:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06620; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06535; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06523; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-037.usc.edu [128.125.230.37]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id SAA11598 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806020120.SAA11598@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:05:33 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP600--Best Prices & Misc. In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980601152813.033313e0@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I'd very much like to see your review of the 600 compared to the 560. The above seems to echo the sentiment I've gotten regarding my thoughts about reviewing the 600 in comparison to my previous ThinkPad experiences, most recently the 560. I'll do it--just give me a couple of weeks to settle in with the machine & learn its nuances so the comparison can be reasonably complete. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 21:36:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218231418; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:36:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07309; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:35:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07233; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07216; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-037.usc.edu [128.125.230.37]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id SAA13389; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:35:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806020135.SAA13389@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:36:04 -0700 To: epbrown@enteract.com From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Oops...dropped my 560 (Part 2) Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <3575e08e.1963456@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:46 PM 6/1/98 , Emanuel Brown wrote: >On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 07:21:37 -0700, you wrote: >>No doubt about it...this thing is *dead*. <*Cry Pitifully*> >> >>...and right after I bought that 64 MB RAM module too! > > Did you run the Easy Setup diagnostics on it? It sounds as if the I haven't. Good thought. >drive was running when the unit was dropped, and if everything else >passes the tests, I'd say you simply need a new drive. The display >problem sounds like loose connector, as you diagnosed earlier. Unless >there's major case damage, you could still be in business. Probably. That would mean a new HD--not an easy task, especially when I've got to figure out a way to load DOS PC-card drivers & SCSI drivers to access an external CD ROM, etc. Hooboy, what a pain... (Yes, the drive was running--I let Norton work on it for a day, then into the night, and this morning it was making the most *awful* sound--like the platter was spinning off-balance. That's when I knew there was no more hope for that HD.) Case is otherwise undamaged except for a small piece that broke off a year ago (and is insignficant--decorative part that supposed to look like a hinge). As I suggested to the list, I'll probably go through this exercise when I upgrade the 600's HD. I had intended to hold off on a 600 purchase until they made a model that came with the expected new 6.4 GB HD's stock (and then waited for it to come out of the stratosphere of price). So now when I upgrade the drive, the 3 GB drive it comes with can find a new home in my 560--assuming I can fix the video cable or whatever it is. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 1 22:17:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA223893872; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08799; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08698; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08686; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:16:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from Rous56@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CSDMa02614 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:15:47 +2000 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:15:47 EDT To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: TP701C parts needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have recently acquired this machine, quite used (but quite legally, re: the recent "lost password" thread), and I am missing the following: the floppy, the floppy cable, battery, port replicator/dock, and RAM expansion DIMM. If anyone can help me with any of these items, please respond. Also some questions: Is there a way to flash the bios without the floppy? Will Win95 operate properly without the bios update? The ESS sound driver in Win95 locks up the mouse, but there does not seem to be a resource conflict. Everything else seems to work okay with the ESS driver removed. Any ideas? Will this be resolved with the bios update? Opinions on 24 meg vs. 40 meg for Win95? I have acquired a second 701C chassis for parts, so I would be willing to sell/trade what I have, being: both system boards, and an undamaged active screen. I don't know if these parts are operational or not, at this point. If someone out there has a good keyboard & hard drive, we may have a good machine between us. -Last note: I have a Zeos external floppy with the same style connector as I've seen on the IBM drives. Does anyone know if this will work on the 701 with the correct cable? Thank you for all responses. DP From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 00:03:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238860220; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:03:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11750; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:02:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11645; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11632; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p24.hwts13.loop.net (p24.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.189]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA18080; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:56:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806020356.UAA18080@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Mon, 01 Jun 98 21:01:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Oops...dropped my 560 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998 08:44:29 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >Yikes! If I didn't have a desktop machine to write this with, I don't >quite know what I'd do... > >The Bad News: This morning through an unfortunate chain of events, I >managed to drop my TP 560--and it dropped on kitchen linoleum. The screen >lights up, but looks something like a pasty-white. A nice, even >pasty-white, if that means anything. The display isn't cracked or >anything--it just shows white when turned on. Maybe its something simple >like a connector came loose? Its also at least 8 months out of >warranty...(damn, I wish that 3-year warranty applied to the 560's!). > I think it could be a cable, and what you see is just the backlight lighting up the LCD. Ironically, it seems that everybody is having accidents these days. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 02:26:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA260058760; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:26:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15197; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:23:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15012; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15000; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (159.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.159]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA16165; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357248DE.B8D5A47C@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 02:23:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Oops...dropped my 560 (Part 2) References: <199806011415.HAA24524@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal.. HDD's are NOT expensive any more..!! Randal Whittle wrote: > The Worse News: It would boot to DOS, but not Win 95 (even safe mode)--I > needed that w/ network support to get some important stuff off of it. So I > ran Norton Disk Doctor on it for most of the day...and then the > evening...bad sectors *everywhere*. When I woke up this morning, the thing > was making the most *awful* sound... > > No doubt about it...this thing is *dead*. <*Cry Pitifully*> > > ...and right after I bought that 64 MB RAM module too! > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 02:34:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA261029296; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:34:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15600; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:32:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15462; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15450; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.67.83.60]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980602063146.LFNH9946@default>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:31:46 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: TP701C parts needed Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:17:58 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980602063146.LFNH9946@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The various parts you are looking for are usually available from a variety of sourses. Recently, I've noticed several of the parts such as port replicator, Dock II and batteries for auction on the ebay site. I believe the URL is www.cayman.ebay.com. Somebody correct me if that is incorrect. I've come across a floppy drive that is quite inexpensive at BG Micro //www.bgmicro.com/ for $12.50. It is a Dell unit but has the same connector as the IBM and works perfectly. I'm sure the Zeos one you have will work fine as well. I bought a HDD from someone on this list and the caddy from an auction on ebay. And then of course you could actually order form IBM although most of their prices will be a little high. Strangely though, I ordered a 701 Nimh battery from them that was cheaper than I could find anywhere else. Go figure. Hope I was some help. Stanley K. Chen Texas Tech Univeristy: Dept of Housing & Dining s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net ---------- > From: Rous56@aol.com > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP701C parts needed > Date: Monday, June 01, 1998 7:15 PM > > I have recently acquired this machine, quite used (but quite legally, re: the > recent "lost password" thread), and I am missing the following: the floppy, > the floppy cable, battery, port replicator/dock, and RAM expansion DIMM. If > anyone can help me with any of these items, please respond. Also some > questions: Is there a way to flash the bios without the floppy? Will Win95 > operate properly without the bios update? The ESS sound driver in Win95 locks > up the mouse, but there does not seem to be a resource conflict. Everything > else seems to work okay with the ESS driver removed. Any ideas? Will this be > resolved with the bios update? Opinions on 24 meg vs. 40 meg for Win95? I > have acquired a second 701C chassis for parts, so I would be willing to > sell/trade what I have, being: both system boards, and an undamaged active > screen. I don't know if these parts are operational or not, at this point. > If someone out there has a good keyboard & hard drive, we may have a good > machine between us. -Last note: I have a Zeos external floppy with the same > style connector as I've seen on the IBM drives. Does anyone know if this will > work on the 701 with the correct cable? Thank you for all responses. DP From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 09:00:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA297582435; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:00:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29835; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:52:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29686; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29672; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA10577; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:52:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:52:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: Alexander Wagner Cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: MPEG on 760XD/OS/2 In-Reply-To: <2583C5B43B1@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 31 May 1998, Alexander Wagner wrote: > Hello! > > Yesterday I tried some MPEG's form NASA to run on my 760XD. Unfortunately I > only get a green screen in the MPEG-Window (opening in the proper size) and > that's it. No error or video. Any hints about that? > > I can use the same MPEGs on my workstation, but not on the ThinkPad. So I > think the videos are OK. But what's wrong then. The "delivered" MPEG > (rocketlaunch) works as well on the TP. Seems to be a bit starnge... The hardware doesn't support all MPEG formats. Try installing the Netscape plugin pack -- that should give you IBM's Open MPEG player which may be able to play the MPEG. Jeff Jackowski Unhappily running NT -- the only OS that can't do an alphabetical sort! (I tried on the desktop . . . ) http://ro.com/~jeffj/CaseForOS2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 12:14:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026934076; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:14:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15749; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15490; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15469; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27733 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA05502 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:07:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8E1F.5C6E8840@ntmail.tiac.net>; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:58 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'ThinkPad List'" , "'Randal Whittle'" , "'Paul Khoury'" Subject: RE: Oops...dropped my 560 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:09:56 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I bought a 365ed over a year ago that needed a new DSTN display. I replaced the display and got it to work. Months later I noticed occasionally it would boot up with no video (i.e. just a backlight) but it seemed to come back if I tapped it and stayed fixed for months. Finally it went dead with only the backlight. I checked the cables and connectors connecting the LCD to the motherboard and they were ok. I finally carefully removed the LCD panel from the case lid. I heard as I was handling it a click sound as if a connector locked in. The LCD panel on my machine has two driver boards across the back of the panel with connectors to the main panel. One of these connectors got loose and was causing the no video problems. So if you do not see a problem with the cable to the motherboard check the back of LCD panel itself. Be careful when handling the panel. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >I think it could be a cable, and what you see is just the backlight lighting >up the >LCD. Ironically, it seems that everybody is having accidents these days. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 12:26:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029224769; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:26:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16654; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:22:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16572; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16560; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gte.net (1Cust248.tnt17.sfo3.da.uu.net [153.37.49.248]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with ESMTP id LAA02204 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 11:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <35742184.6720B251@gte.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:00:04 -0600 From: Bob Angell Reply-To: aimsllc@ibm.net Organization: Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: TPALL: Its ALL gotta go!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Late breaking news .... With DEEP REGRET I must type what is to follow! As one who has been on this list for quite some time, I thought it appropriate to give anyone here first crack at some pretty good deals (at least I hope they are!!). I have equipment that needs a good home as follows: TP701C (Active Matrix - 1 bad pix) 40MB of RAM (this sucker hums!!) 2.1G harddrive (currently has RedHat 5.0) All external stuff - floppy,port adapter,etc. I have had FreeBSD, Warp OS/2, Win95 loaded on this system - just preferred a NON-M$ solution. Also, there are NO cracks on the case or hinge ... original owner took the water- buffalo to church and left this in the garage. Will also throw in a WetSuit case to the person who purchases this ThinkPad. Asking $1000.00 or Best Offer Additional Harddrives: 12.5mm (1) 3.2G Slightly used/some bad sectors (1) 360M (original TP701 drive above) 17mm (1) 2.1G Don't know condition (may or may not be working) (1) 540M IBM Drive w/TP75x/60x caddy (1) 340M IBM Drive w/TP75x/60x caddy I would like $150.00 for the 3.2, and for all the drives (if you take them all) - $300.00 $1250.00 for the entire package (TP & Drives) Buyer pays shipping insured - payment in US currency. I may also take your offer if its reasonable. Would like to get this taken care of soon. Any questions, write or call (number listed below). Now, back to your reguarly scheduled program ... -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal - Sys. 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From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 12:27:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029374823; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:27:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16898; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:23:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16813; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom6.netcom.com (phr@netcom6.netcom.com [192.100.81.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16779; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom6.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA07718 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:23:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806021623.JAA07718@netcom6.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:52:21 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Soooo...I wanted the P-II 266 model...BUT for $500 less--and perhaps more importantly, not having to wait an unknown amount of time--I can have the P-II 233 model tomorrow. So I placed the order. A bit more than the lowest I found, but at $3849, its pretty much par for the course--there's not a lot of price variation out there on these things. Actually I saw a used one selling for $3000 a month or two ago. I was the first to contact the guy and it was for real, but then I found that the 600 had the Neomagic video chip so I decided not to buy it. It was tempting, though. I also got them to shave a few bucks off the IBM 64 MB memory module (the cheapo 3rd parties don't seem to be ramped up to make this SDRAM memory for the latest ThinkPads just yet). I believe the 600 uses the same memory as the 770, but am not positive. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 12:47:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032876074; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:47:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18676; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:42:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18564; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18543; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA18805; Tue, 2 Jun 98 12:42:31 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35742B75.FA5598FD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:42:29 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 References: <199806021623.JAA07718@netcom6.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Rubin wrote: > I believe the 600 uses the same memory as the 770, but am not positive. Yes. We are using the same 64MB IBM DIMMs in both 600s and 770s. I would guess that other brands would work in both too. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 13:29:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038718595; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:29:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21339; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:25:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21186; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21174; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (146.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.146]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA03783; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3572E405.39B2D07@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 13:25:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 References: <199806021623.JAA07718@netcom6.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu TP-600 uses the same memory as the 770.. Apricorn (ThinkPad Proven), GoldenRam (ThinkPad approved) and Viking all make it.. Mfg. list for a 64meg is $189 for the Apricorn.. the others may differ and your mileage may vary.. :-) Paul Rubin wrote: > Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 12:52:21 -0700 > From: Randal Whittle > **snip** > I also got them to shave a few bucks off the IBM 64 MB memory > module (the cheapo 3rd parties don't seem to be ramped up to > make this SDRAM memory for the latest ThinkPads just yet). > > I believe the 600 uses the same memory as the 770, but am not positive. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 17:28:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA074562886; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:28:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02579; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02448; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02434; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22648; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806022124.RAA22648@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:22:21 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Better Outdoor Screen (Active or HPA?) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any experience with using the new HPA screens outdoors, compared to Active screens? Is there a big difference in the readability? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 20:45:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA101824745; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:45:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09981; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09888; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09837; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-097.usc.edu [128.125.230.97]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA16396; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:48:20 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600 First Impressions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone want to hazard a guess about what I just signed for today?

Yep.=A0 The Airborne delivery guy mentioned, "Seems like Christmas is every few days with you!" (I've received a lot of packages in the last couple of weeks, though his "Christmas" comment is off the mark...if only he knew the heartache I went through in losing my 560...)

Consider the following a prelude to the more detailed review I'll have for you in a couple of weeks.

I've barely turned it on, but a few observations as I've opened the package:

- Boxes:=A0 Goodness, it came in a big box, then you open it up and there's a smaller box.=A0 Upon opening *that* one up, a *very* small box with handle on it like a little suitcase (par for the course with IBM laptops--this will be my 4th, and every time the packaging is very "neat" with the handle & all).=A0 However, opening all those boxes made me feel like that scen in Dr. Seuss's "Cat in the Hat" where each cat keeps taking off a hat only to reveal a smaller cat underneath...with another hat.=A0 Okay, so they overdid it a little.=A0 = I can forgive them for that.

- Opening the final box, looking inside...WELL DONE, IBM.

[SIDE NOTE:]
Those of you who have been paying attention know that not only have I been on the list since its creation and a precious few of us had our wonderful little 750's, but also that I strayed from the true and faithful path a couple of months ago when I stumbled across a good deal on an NEC Versa 5080X--a kissin' cousin to the TP 600, but with a 233 MMX CPU.=A0 Much of my initial observations will be in comparison to the NEC, which I think is appropriate because most of their features are near-identical and they compete in the same class of machines that I call "Pretty Light, Mostly Thin, and Retaining most Full-Features" (certainly very little if any trade-offs).=A0 The NEC is a 5 lb. wonder that is almost identical in feature set to the 600, so its certainly worth making the comparison on a head-to-head basis.

I believe I mentioned to this list that I jettisoned the NEC mostly because I just didn't like the Touchpad (Trackpoint is king--I know that now) and the keyboard, while not poor in quality, just suffers from the same kind of stupid key-placement tradeoffs that so many manufacturers (but not IBM) are making:=A0 Poor placement of critical keys, and crowding the keyboard with worthless items like the stupid "Windows Key".

Allow me to say however, that although it wasn't to my tastes, the NEC Versa 5080X is a *fine* machine--I believe it is vital to give credit it where it is due and that one does indeed deserve it.=A0 For those who haven't had the pleasure of owning a Thinkpad, that particular model of Versa would (and should) have lots of devoted followers.=A0 I believe it to be head and shoulders above most of the laptop market.

However...I without even turning on this TP 600 I can already list the (much improved) differences.

To whit:


SIZE MATTERS:

The whole time I had the Versa, in the back of my head I couldn't help but think, "Gee...it sure is bigger than my 560."=A0 The difference was palatable, and though I liked the faster performance of the new Versa, I longed for the lighter weight and more compact size of the 560.=A0 Now this may seem strange to some of you, but for the faithful users of 701's (and perhaps 560's), you know exactly what I mean.=A0 Ever wonder why so many people are still using relatively "obsolete" 701's?=A0 Here's why--they're just a *NEATO*, compact little machine that doesn't force them to type with their pinkies.=A0 For those of us who appreciate small design & minimal weight, it doesn't take any more than 1/2 to 1 lb. for us to notice a difference.=A0 In fact, the move for a 701 user to a 560--though shaving off 1/2 lb. in weight (the 560 is lighter), is still a little traumatic because of the 560's larger footprint.

Now let me preface this by saying that the TP 600 has virtually identical dimensions as the Versa 5080X, although I think its weight figures are actually about 0.1 lb. lighter.=A0 Also, the TP 600 is 0.1 inch thinner.=A0 Nevertheless, this *still* makes the 600 0.2 in. thicker than the 560 is, and nearly 1 full pound heavier (when you remove the CD drive to keep the comparison fair, since the 560 does not have one).


SHE'S GOT THE LOOK:

But you know what?=A0 Its amazing...for all the picking at nits you can do about the machine being bigger than the 560, I *have* to say this much:=A0 It just doesn't *seem* like it is (at least not nearly as much as the Versa 5080X).=A0 Why?=A0 I'm not sure, but I suspect there are a couple of factors:=A0 (1) The TP 600, like all ThinkPads, is black.=A0 Black by its nature tends to minimize things (which is why you don't want to squeeze your big butt into white pants--white does the opposite of black as it makes things appear larger).=A0 By contrast, the Versa was some shade of gray.=A0 I think that made it "appear" to be larger than it was, or rather that the 600 "appears" to be smaller than it really is.=A0 (2) Lines.=A0 By this, I do *not* mean fit and finish, as the NEC's fit and finish was pretty darn good.=A0 What I mean is "lines" in the sense that your car has lines--a Corvette has *very* different lines than a Volvo.=A0 It looks sleeker.=A0 For those of you who are familiar with the 3Com's Palm Pilots, the latest Palm III device *appears* smaller than its predecessors, but really *isn't*--they just shaved off the corners and edges to make a device that is less "boxy" in appearance.=A0 The TP 600 is that way.=A0 By comparison, the Versa was just plain "Boxy" whereas the 600 just looks sleeker.=A0 The 560 had very few sharp corners, mostly rounded ones which added to its already eye-pleasing experience.=A0 The 600 manages to continue--perhaps even improve--on that design thought.=A0 Its footprint is tapered inward, such that although its dimensions are whatever they are, the actual amount of machine touching the desktop is less by about 1/4" on the front and sides (but not the back--but who looks there anyway?).=A0=A0=A0 To put it in ASCII-artwork, it looks something like this when viewed from the side:
=A0=A0 _____
=A0 =A0   \
=A0=A0=A0 |=A0=A0=A0=A0 (Forgive my artwork--never was much of an= artist)
=A0=A0 _____/

Also, the top part of the case (while the lid is open) has a similar taper to it.=A0 This creates the effect of the lid closing down "over" it, something like your upper teeth closing down over your lower (anyone here an orthodontist?=A0 I've worn braces for nearly four years now and am eager to get them off next month.=A0 Nothing worse than having an MBA, pushing 30, two kids, and yet feeling like a 14 year-old kid because you have braces...).

I should mention that the fit and finish is very much up to the IBM standards that we've come to expect.=A0 Wow...*really* nice.=A0 One thing though...they've gone to these little spring doors to cover the PC card slots.=A0 That's perfectly fine with me (I broke 2 or 3 little plastic doors on my 560...fortunately they're only about $3-$5 each to replace and I got smart and ordered a handful after the first one broke).=A0 The upper and lower spring-loaded doors are supposed to meet in the middle of the opening.=A0 Mine don't quite meet--a bigger space or crack between them than I would expect.=A0 Not a big deal, I suppose.=A0 But when I fork over $4,000 for a machine, I expect a lot when it comes out of the box.


SIZING UP THE RESULTS:

In a nutshell...I think the 701'ers on the list would hate anything bigger than their 701, and would have some difficulty adjusting to a 560, so the 600 may be too much of a shock for them.=A0 But as a 701'er myself who made the semi-difficult transition to a 560 and now beginning my adventure with a 600...I am pleased.=A0 Yes, its a bigger machine, but it is designed in such way with its tapering & well thought-out look that its only mildly noticable.=A0 The evidence can be seen when comparing it to an almost identically-featured notebook that *doesn't* have those same attention to details.

For those of you already used to carrying those big monsters weighing in at 7 or 8 pounds, you'll feel the ache leave your shoulders and breathe a sigh of relief carrying this svelte beastie--and you won't have compromised any of the features you've come to love (Unless you're some kind of DVD nut...personally, I *like* having my TV, Stereo, and Computer as seperate devices, cheating only to use the stereo system for Dolby Pro Logic Surround Sound while watching movies).

I know what at least one person on this list is thinking..."Is it flimsy?"=A0 There have been dirty rumors circulating that the 701 and in particular the 560 was too soft--that its case flexed when you torqued it.=A0 Hogwash!=A0 They're fine machines, despite that my 560 gave up the ghost when dropping it on the ground (as near as I can tell, the screen is perfectly intact and the HD--which was running at the time of the drop--is what crashed.=A0 No "tough" machine in the world would have prevented that).=A0 Besides, would you rather drop a relatively light computer or a heavy beast?=A0 Seems to me they heavier one is more likely to sustain damage of some sort.=A0 Just my opinion...)


BIG (BLUE) BROTHER:

So the burning question:=A0 Is the 600 a wimp?=A0 The answer, in my estimation, is "No."=A0 Indeed, I think it just *might* be the most solid machine I've owned.=A0 The 750C had that flip-up keyboard, which although cool, *could* occasionally be a little weird.=A0 The 701C had that folding keyboard which again--very cool--but solid?=A0 I never had any problems with it, but it is something you worry about just a little.=A0 The 560...it was just plain light, and lifting the lid always made me wonder--again, just a little--if I should be more gentle in opening it.=A0 So...the 600?=A0 Just like the 560, *but* it seems to be considerably more substantial.=A0 Its like the 560 has a muscular older brother--you know, the one that would tell those other little brats that were teasing you to scram or meet the pavement in a swift fashion (I just wish I had one of those--can you tell I had a rough childhood?!).


PICKING UP THE PIECES:

The 600 is a semi-slim, mostly lightweight, *modular* computer.=A0 What does that mean?=A0 As any 701 owner knows, that means "pieces"--everywhere.=A0 Thankfully, its nothing like the 701 which had more pieces to it than I care to count (okay, lets count anyway...port replicator, floppy drive, parallel port dongle, A/C adapter...was there more?=A0 Sure seems like it...), The 560 has a floppy, CD Drive and A/C--that's it.=A0 What else do you need?=A0 Oh yes...the "spacer", for those times when you need neither the floppy or the CD drive and want to keep things as light as possible.

Allow me to digress to NEC territory again, as this is where the comparison is again the most direct.=A0 I thought the Versa's "pieces" were pretty neat--a slender CD=A0 drive, floppy, spacer was a bit boxy but it served its function, and they included a cable to connect the floppy externally.

Let me start by saying that IBM blew one thing:=A0 There's nothing to keep the CD drive in when not in use.=A0 The Versa included a *nice* little leather zippered pouch that gave you a place to put one of the sensitive (Floppy or CD drive) parts and keep it nice and safe.=A0 I thought it was a nice touch.=A0 Too bad IBM missed it.=A0 Come to think of it, they probably didn't--they just want you to buy it as an after-market product.

However, let me tell you what IBM *did* do!

I barely recognized the floppy...it comes encased in its own little shell that also has a "tail" on it which serves as the external connection to the machine (which, incidently, is the same plug that is on the floppy drive that goes with my 560--I presume the 560's floppy would work fine with it, but haven't tried it).=A0 I was indeed impressed.=A0 I can't tell you how ugly--and a little unnevering--it was to connect the NEC's floppy externally.=A0 It was just this poor little drive out in the cold with no clothes on--reminded me of when I shave our cat every year to stop the shedding (and in the process, reduce her from a gorgeous creature to an ugly rat-looking thing you'd be inclined to shoot).=A0 At any rate, the drive just seemed out of place and quite vulnerable unless it was used *inside* the machine where it belonged, even though it had a cable to connect externally (which was unwieldy too, since the floppy port was on the back of the machine and the cable placement on the drive itself was odd).

No such problem on the IBM.=A0 The shell casing for the floppy makes it look like it is a natural accessory to this machine (and it is), though it does make the floppy larger than the one that came with my 701 or 560--but that's to be expected, give that those floppies aren't meant to be inserted inside anything while this one serves as a housing for a floppy that does.=A0 Also, I could imagine that NEC floppy cable getting lost.=A0 The IBM's floppy housing has the cable attached, so it seems as though it wouldn't be lost as easily.=A0 It really does just *look* nice and add some level of protection, though I suppose it is one more bulky item to travel with (if you wish) while the NEC was as simple as carrying the cable.=A0 However, unlike the NEC, there is no place to put the CD drive when not in the machine.=A0 I suppose you could put it in the floppy housing, but that's a little strange.=A0 Neither IBM nor NEC seemed to have a place to put *both* items when the spacer is being used to lighten the load.

Speaking of spacers, another little thing:=A0 The NEC's spacer design was square and boxy--seemed to incorporate a lot of unnecessary plastic for reinforcement too.=A0 Meanwhile, someone at IBM must have gotten a better grade in geometry class, because theirs is shaped triangularly with a blunt nose on the end, pointed toward the back.=A0 That maintains whatever needed rigidity while minimizing plastic.=A0 NEC, go back to school.=A0 ;-)

Oh...and more on fit and finish as it relates to form and function:=A0 The NEC drives were a little difficult to handle.=A0 Pulling them out of the machine meant making sure your fingers didn't go into the wrong place.=A0 there was just this narrow hole in the machine and the drive went in and out of that.=A0 Again, IBM paid closer attention to how these things get handled, and made the front of their drive (or spacer) serve as more of the front portion of the casing itself.=A0 This translates into a "handle" of sorts on the front of each of the CD & floppy drives (and the spacer), making for something more substantial to grab and hold when removing the drive.=A0 I believe it also makes for a simpler locking/release mechanism for holding the drive in place, since the NEC's locking/release mechanism had to "shoot" the drive out in order for you to get it.=A0 With the IBM, you just release the lever and pull gently.


WHERE DID THAT DOOR COVER GO...?

Did you ever mutter this statement under your breath?=A0 I was amazed how, on my 560, they used a 4-inch long rubber "stopper" to cover the rear ports.=A0 People on the list told me how this was better than a hinged door for a multitude of reasons, but I never much cared for the explanations--it was just one more part to get lost.=A0 And to prove that, I did indeed lose mine.=A0 I found it a month later, but not before I had already obtained a replacement...=A0 (*sigh*)

Nevertheless, I do understand the counter-argument concerning port covers.=A0 Hingest can break.

So how does the 600 approach this?=A0 Hinges--sort of.=A0 Its a curiously fascinating thing that probably has to be seen to be believed or truly appreciated.=A0 First of all, you have to understand they *aren't* hinges--at least not in the traditional sense that you should think.=A0 Think of it opening, joined at the plastic, but not on hinges.=A0 That's the idea.=A0 Dangerous, right?=A0 There's only so many times you can open an= d close that before the plastic has had enough and it just breaks off, eh?=A0 My thoughts exactly.

But hold off a moment--its not what it seems!=A0 You'll probably have to see it yourself to believe it, but the concept is really simple genious.=A0 Each "door" is really a flap--don't judge it yet, its not nearly as wimpy as you might think.=A0 If you look over the whole machine, you'll note that each port is covered by this flap-style thing that folds over the door and under the computer.=A0 The flap itself appears to be a semi-flexible rubber-ish stuff, textured on the outside to be similar to the casing, but on the inside more flexible.=A0 However, you can't see much of the inside, because each end (one of which is the port door) is reinforced with nice solid plastic, so you can only see the flexible stuff where the joint bends.=A0 What you end up with is a door that serves its function as a door, yet has a folding mechanism that appears to me to be virtually impossible to wear out or even break.=A0 Really, I'm impressed.=A0 Its a simple yet smart design and you'd never know the difference without *really* looking close the way I did.

Oh, the ports?=A0 All seem to be in the right place (which was a little disorienting at first!).=A0 Rear has the normal parallel, serial, & video (behind two different rear doors)--which made me wonder "Where the hell is the USB?"=A0 Well, its by the power switch on the left side, under its own little hidden door.=A0 Incidently, the modem jack is on the other side of the power switch.=A0 Oh, and right above the USB is a few holes in the casing.=A0 Its pretty clear this is for fan airflow to keep those hot little P-II's from blowing up like miniature nukes.=A0 One article I read insisted this was the only way they could put P-II's in notebooks, with obvious concerns about the effect on battery life.

On the right side where the PC card slots are (and some other jacks for audio & whatnot), there is another port (behind a door) for hooking up the floppy.=A0 This is a great relief, as the NEC forced me to get behind the machine to hook up the floppy.=A0 Also, IBM paid attention to where they put the floppy port when they designed the floppy shell.=A0 The way the cord is attached makes sense, so no strange contortions are necessary.=A0 Nice to have that, yet I've come to expect IBM to pay attention to those little things (which is why it surprises me that they didn't include a protective carrying case for the CD drive).

Oh, and the power switch seems to have the smoothest action on an IBM machine I've owned since the 750.=A0 The 701 makes you break a nail to turn it on, and the 560 is moderately better, though it always seemed strange to have the IR port "attached" to the power switch.=A0 The 600 has a great, simple, *normal* power switch that turns the thing on without forcing you to do strange things to it with a fork.


THIS KISS...

Okay, its an odd heading--but its the latest song by Faith Hill (Don't laugh...Pop went down the tubes, Rock n Roll & Metal ain't what it used to be, and Rap was never anything more than crap.=A0 Country, Jazz, and Classical are about the only options left!) and it was her CD that I used to test out the speakers on the 600.

One of the tremendous disappointments I had when moving from the 701 to the 560 was the quality of the speaker.=A0 The 701 really had a good speaker on it--clean, crisp, rich.=A0 Surprising for such a small thing.=A0 The 560's speaker sounds like a piece of tin hooked to a vibrator.=A0 Okay, that's exaggerating, but you get the point.=A0 It works, but not particularly well.

Now I should mention that I have Bose satellite speakers in my living room.=A0 I'm not an audiophile in the true sense of the word, but I do like good quality sound.=A0 At the same time, I also realize its more than a little bit silly to expect anything on a laptop to come close.

So when I put in that CD, I didn't expect much...and didn't receive much.=A0 The sound was clear--at least it isn't tinny like the 560--but its fatal flaw is the lack of bass.=A0

Furthermore, its a little weird to have the speakers mounted on the wrist-rest area.=A0 Sound coming through vibrates your hands.=A0 Some might like the "massage"...some might even have sex with their wives more often instead of constantly wasting time on their Thinkpad...but personally it was just plain annoying to me.=A0 Fortunately, if it bugs you, you can either turn it down easily with a FN + PgDn key combo or just plain turn it off with a FN + BKSP key combo (very handy!).=A0 Truthfully, I liked the Versa 5080X's placement of the speakers at the top of the keyboard better (it also sounded better), but I suspect IBM wouldn't be able to do that and maintain the solid keyboard layout.=A0 If that's the tradeoff, I'll keep the crappy speakers in favor of the better keyboard!

I don't miss the sound dial from my 560 all that much, as the key combo is just as easy, but being digital and not having a huge amount of steps which is perhaps more easily accomplished with an analog hardware dial.=A0 The result was that I couldn't adjust the sound to the leve I most preferred--it was either too loud or too soft.=A0 If they're going to make it a digital control like this, they could at least add more steps to the sampling...

Stereo?=A0 Yes, there are two speakers.=A0 But if you call a seperation of 7 inches between those two speakers enough to call it "stereo", then you're a sadder sort than I would have thought.=A0 Personally, I don't see the point.=A0 1 speaker works no worse than 2 that are this close together.=A0 So why try to make the space?

SUMMARY:=A0 Keep your stereo.=A0 You'll need it.=A0 Saying this beats the 56= 0's sound is like saying a Tercel beats a Yugo.=A0 Its a true statement, but nobody cares.


TICKLIN' THE EBONIES...

I touch type at a speed that approaches 80 wpm.=A0 I figure I'll never starve because I can always find work as a secretary.=A0 Frankly, when you have excellent typing skills, keyboards become more important than ever in your daily use.

The 600's keyboard is the best one I've used since my 750.=A0 The 701's keyboard was fine, but a step down from the 750, and to be expected if you wanted something that was going to fold in on itself.=A0 The 560's never folded, but had a very similar feel to it--better than the competition's, but not up to the par that the 750's.=A0 If I may digress...the 750's keyboard was really remarkable.=A0 It managed to maintain the full-stroke travel with zero compromise that you might expect from the finest of desktop keyboards.=A0 It really set that machine apart.=A0 Of course, there has to be a dark side, and that was noise.=A0 A lot of people used 750's (and I think 755's?) in libraries and classrooms only at the risk of being whupped upside their head for the clackety-clack they were creating.=A0 Thinkpad keyboards since then have been a bit squishier...certainly quieter...and just not *quite* as good.

The 600 is a pleasant surprise.=A0 No, its not quite on par with the 750's keyboard, but its better than the 560's, with which I expected it would be on-par with.=A0 The strokes seem adequately long, the feedback solid, the buttons below the space bar "click" in feel, but not in sound.=A0 Strangely enough, it seems to walk a great balance between positive feedback and "squish".=A0 The 701 & 560 keyboards were a bit soft.=A0 Its difficult to describe, but the 600 keyboard seems to feel more substantive.=A0 It is possible, however, than I'm comparing a new keyboard to a 21-month old one that has been broken in, and thus the comparison may be unfair.

While we're down in this area, I might as well mention the new TrackPoint II--and its 3 buttons.=A0 What do you use the third button for?=A0 Good question.=A0 You get to define its use (sort of).=A0 You can either set it u= p such that you can click (and hold) and then pressure on the Trackpoint scrolls the window you're in, or you can set it up such that clicking on it brings up a "magnifying glass" that you can use the Trackpoint to move around the screen.=A0 My 67 year-old father would love this one to better see small text, but I suspect most people will use it to get a closer look at their favorite parts of various unmentionable web sites on the net.

The more intriguing new feature of the TrackPoint III is the new pressure sensitivity.=A0 No, I don't mean the pressure you use to make it move from side to side.=A0 I mean the up and down pressure.=A0 As is traditional, the Trackpoint doesn't move--it just senses pressure.=A0 The *amount* of pressure and the quickness with which it is applied is user-configurable, but the usage is a bit tricky.=A0 I kept selecting things on accident when I was merely trying to push the Trackpoint to the other side of the screen.=A0 I'm sure that this, like using a Trackpoint at all, will take some getting used to but once you catch on, I'm sure most will be hooked if they can just get past the learning curve.=A0 Its a good thing IBM did this because one of the whiz-bang features of the latest Touchpads allowed you to just tap on the pad to click or even drag windows on the screen, all without taking your finger off the pad.=A0 It was infectious enough that even I, a confirmed hater of the touchpad, grew to like that feature.=A0 Now I can have something very similar in the Trackpoint, if only I can master it.


AND IN CONCLUSION...

I'm not certain I'll write any more on the subject.=A0 The 600 has gotten very little usage, as I spent more time writing this review from my desktop than actually using the darn thing (are you impressed with my self-discipline?  Could YOU do that?!), so for the most part this has been an observation of the extrenal features with a smattering of usage issues.  I really don't think there's that much more to tell.  I'm assuming that a P-II performs well and the machine should be pretty fast, etc. (incidently, this is the first time that I've gotten a notebook machine with equal or better specs than whatever desktop machine I had at the time.  My current desktop is a Dell Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 96 MB RAM and a 3.7 GB HD.  The TP 600 is a P-II 233 with the same RAM and 3.2 GB HD.  For the first time I'll expect my laptop to be about as fast as my desktop).

Screen is pretty, etc. etc.  I think you'll get good screens on just about any quality laptop, so I don't think that's worth comparing, per se.  The only things I can think of that still need to be evaluated & reported to the list would be whether its too hot to use on your lap and how long the battery life is *really*...is that 3-hour figure they put out a load of bull?  I'll try to determine that...

Anything else?

Hope you enjoyed my treatise on ThinkPadding...
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Randal J. Whittle          whittle@usc.edu         (213) 740-7775
Director, Electronic Commerce Program
Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California
From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 2 21:19:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA106846751; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:19:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10974; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:16:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10874; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10862; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28245; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:31:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:31:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > Whittle          > whittle@usc.edu         (213) Please stop posting this HTML garbage to the list. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 00:34:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA188168453; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:34:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16731; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:32:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16583; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.184.79]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16571; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.184.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.8.8/(98/04/23 5.10)) id AAA02960; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:32:34 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from 760-ed (ts001d18.ott-cn.concentric.net [206.173.215.30]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.8.8) id AAA01799; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806030432.AAA01799@mcfeely.concentric.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Patrick Hong" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:32:31 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions Reply-To: phong@concentric.net Priority: normal In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randall, Thanks for the review on your new 600. And while I'm at it, I'm sorry to hear about your 560. I'm actually thinking about retiring my 760ED and getting a new one. I've outgrown my hard disk (again) and everything just seems sluggish even though I just reinstalled Win95C on it about a month ago. The only think I haven't decided is which one I should get. I've always purchased the high end notebook at the time but I have to admit, my shoulder and back has paid for it dearly. Like you, I've lived through several models although we've never used the same ones (720C, 755CX, 760ED) and have always loved the high end machines. But, I'm seriously considering giving my shoulder a break. I do have one question regarding the machine. Does it have any legs at the back to tilt the machine up? I actually find the tilt keyboard on my 760 kind of annoying and I prefer the machine to be raised. I guess you can say I've had my fair share of *hot* laps and desks. Thanks again for the informative review! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patrick Hong Systems Management & Consulting Inc. email: phong@concentric.net Tel: (613) 769-1544 Fax: (613) 728-4063 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 01:15:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA214960940; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:15:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18030; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:14:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17942; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.nwnexus.com (smtp4.nwnexus.com [206.63.63.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17928; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from newmicronpc (evt-lx100-ip10.nwnexus.net [204.57.235.10]) by smtp4.nwnexus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA22185 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:13:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980602221107.007cc7d0@mail.halcyon.com> X-Sender: karensw@mail.halcyon.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 22:11:07 -0700 To: TP List Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:31 PM 6/2/98 -0700, Steve Parker wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Whittle          >> whittle@usc.edu         (213) > > Please stop posting this HTML garbage to the list. > >============================================================================ >==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== >============================================================================ > > > Steve, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Randall's excellent review (thanks Randall!) came through my Eudora Pro as pure text without a whit of html in it. Karen From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 01:32:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA230031973; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:32:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18676; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18602; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18590; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 01:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts06.loop.net (p27.hwts06.loop.net [207.211.61.222]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA19777; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806030526.WAA19777@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 22:31:21 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:48:20 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: Where's the message? I can't read HTML attachments (and I'm lucky if I can, but it's such a pain in the rear). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 06:33:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA294419991; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:33:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00672; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:30:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00533; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom16.netcom.com (genepool@netcom16.netcom.com [192.100.81.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00520; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom16.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id DAA00377; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions To: karensw@halcyon.com Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980602221107.007cc7d0@mail.halcyon.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 karensw@halcyon.com wrote: > >> Whittle          > >> whittle@usc.edu         (213) > > I'm not sure what you're talking about. Randall's excellent review (thanks > Randall!) came through my Eudora Pro as pure text without a whit of html in > it. Some, myself included, read mail and news from a Unix shell account. Email is a text medium. There is no need to broadcast html all over the planet in order to communicate via email. Excellent review it may have been, but it was deleted unread. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 09:12:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA010329525; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:12:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05358; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:08:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05177; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09774; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-097.usc.edu [128.125.230.97]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA16372; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 11:14:04 -0700 To: Paul Rubin From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806021623.JAA07718@netcom6.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:23 AM 6/2/98 , Paul Rubin wrote: > I also got them to shave a few bucks off the IBM 64 MB memory > module (the cheapo 3rd parties don't seem to be ramped up to > make this SDRAM memory for the latest ThinkPads just yet). > >I believe the 600 uses the same memory as the 770, but am not positive. It does. IBM's website has some nice "comparison charts" that show the various parts and what machines they go to. Same mem for 600 and 770. But the cheapest of the cheap...they don't have these yet. So that means some major manufacturers (but 3rd party) like Simple, PNY, etc. may have 'em, but that's still a tier above what I'm referring to. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 09:12:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA010449545; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:12:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05362; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:08:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05154; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09754; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-097.usc.edu [128.125.230.97]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA16367; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:40:48 -0700 To: "Cottrell, Eric" From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Oops...dropped my 560 Cc: "'ThinkPad List'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Eric, thank you very much for the below. I did indeed disassemble the machine last night, removed the HD in hopes that I can put it into my desktop and maybe still get something off of it, and checked the video connector to the motherboard. I wiggled, jiggled, disconnected it and reconnected it. Whatever it is, as you point out, its in the panel somewhere, not the motherboard. At 09:09 AM 6/2/98 , Cottrell, Eric wrote: >The LCD panel on my machine has two driver boards across the back of the >panel with connectors to the main panel. One of these connectors got >loose and was causing the no video problems. > >So if you do not see a problem with the cable to the motherboard check >the back >of LCD panel itself. Be careful when handling the panel. Okay, so here's the dumb question: How do you gain access to the panel? Seems to me the whole assembly is joined together in the plastic casing. The trick is to get in there without breaking the plastic irretrievably... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 10:18:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA017633533; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:18:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09709; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09558; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09540; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-112-130.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.112.130]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA13864 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:16:04 GMT Message-Id: <35755AA0.D15BAC80@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:16:00 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am undecided between the ThinkPad 600 and 770 (the top of the line Pentium II 266 MHz models). It seems that the 600 can do everything the 770 can do, except using DVD disk. What reasons are there to get a 770 instead of a 600? Any opinions are welcome. Thanks for your help. Friedrich Huebler From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 11:09:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA025136575; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:09:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12398; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:07:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12316; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robin.onex.com (robin.onex.com [193.197.156.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12273; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from onex.com (lancelot.cogito.de [193.197.156.43]) by robin.onex.com (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA04888 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:05:43 +0200 Message-Id: <35756628.F0ACBF74@onex.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 17:05:12 +0200 From: Ulrich Frey Organization: ONEX X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: [TP 770] Olicom PCMCIA Token-Ring Card Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have a ThinkPad 770 with a P233. I have installed OS/2 Warp 4 (german) with FP 6 (german) on this notebook. The problem is, that I have a Olicom GoCard which won't run under Warp 4. It's a OC-3221 PCMCIA Token-Ring Card. If the Card is inserted first, OS/2 stops when it loads the Card-Driver. If I first boot OS/2 and insert it afterward OS/2 hangs after it recognizes the Card. How can I get them working together? Ulrich. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 11:28:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA027987733; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:28:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13590; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:27:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13471; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13456; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA26001; Wed, 3 Jun 98 11:26:55 EDT Message-Id: <35755F48.510E8FC1@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:35:52 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: huebler@ibm.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? References: <35755AA0.D15BAC80@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently switched from a (former) top-of-the-line 770 to a top-of-the-line 600. I don't know why someone would buy a 770 instead of a 600 other than the reasons cited below. The 600 seems to pack in almost everything the 770 does, but in a much smaller package. To put it in perspective, the 600 with display down is a fair bit slimmer than the 770 with the display up (i.e., than the keyboard and down). OK, things the 770 can do that the 600 cannot: * take a 2nd hard disk in the ultrabay * take a 2nd battery in the ultrabay * take a ZIP drive in the ultrabay * play DVD movies and video in/out (with the video board) * 770 can take larger hard disks (8GB) than the 600 (4GB, soon to be 6.4GB) * 770 has 14.1" TFT vs. 13.3" TFT on 600 (not noticeable difference to me) Some of these may come to the 600 eventually, but I doubt a 2nd battery is possible since it doesn't seem to have the right kind of connector inside the bay. I am glad I switched from a 770 to a 600. The 770 is a great machine, but the 600 is better, IMHO. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 12:07:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA032870030; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:07:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15572; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:05:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15445; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15426; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09811 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:05:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id JAA05610; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West Reply-To: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: mwave in Win98 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Has anyone a fix to get the mwave modem working in a beta of win98? A friend of a friend has a thinkpad with beta 3 of win98. He installed the drivers and the modem will respond "OK" but still won't work. Last I heard there wasn't a fix and I said so, but got to wondering if I had blipped past a discussion of a fix in the recent past because it didn't apply to me. So... Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 12:43:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA039682181; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:43:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18248; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:39:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17945; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17909; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806031639.MAA17909@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 2 Jun 1988 9:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 09:39:33 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm in the same boat. After Randal's review, my only issues are hard-disk size, general availability of third party parts, and the fact that the 770 can take 2 batteries at once (if you remove the floppy/cd. Is my interpretation correct that you can't do this with the 600? At this point I'm leaning to the 600, but yesterday morning I was leaning to the 770. Another issue I am grappling with is PII vs P(entium). As I understand it, there is a battery life/speed tradeoff. Does anybody have any numbers to put on this? (There is also a dollar tradeoff, but I have numbers on that :). I'm still compiling numbers on the vendor survey. So far everybody is pleased with their vendor. This is a big improvement on last time I purchased a TP (back in the DOS preload days :). -Victor On Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:16:00 -0400, Friedrich Huebler wrote: >I am undecided between the ThinkPad 600 and 770 (the top of the line >Pentium II 266 MHz models). It seems that the 600 can do everything the >770 can do, except using DVD disk. > >What reasons are there to get a 770 instead of a 600? Any opinions are >welcome. > >Thanks for your help. > >Friedrich Huebler ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 13:13:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA044074032; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:13:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19839; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:12:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19752; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19736; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (253.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.253]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA00113; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35743289.49608494@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:12:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: huebler@ibm.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? References: <35755AA0.D15BAC80@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Friedrich.. Mr. Hetherington has stated the add abilities of the 770 over the 600 quite clearly.. only consider your main uses.. if you want to have more flexability and a desktop replacement, then the 770 is the machine.. if more portable operation rather than a more portable desktop is your desire, AND you feel that you will not soon want the ultrabay and the options available for it, then the 600 is for you... also note that these machines have a very short shelf life.. in 4 to 6 months the next version will be available and each (770 & 600) will then have even MORE features and improvements... of course, there is a prioce differential of about $1100 USD as well.. :-) the 770ED is about $5500 and the 600 (top model) is about $4400.. Friedrich Huebler wrote: > I am undecided between the ThinkPad 600 and 770 (the top of the line > Pentium II 266 MHz models). It seems that the 600 can do everything the > 770 can do, except using DVD disk. > > What reasons are there to get a 770 instead of a 600? Any opinions are > welcome. > > Thanks for your help. > > Friedrich Huebler -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 13:44:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049425863; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:44:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21951; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21800; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21787; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA26929; Wed, 3 Jun 98 13:38:01 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <357589F5.642EB911@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:37:57 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: phong@concentric.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions References: <199806030432.AAA01799@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Patrick Hong wrote: > I do have one question regarding the machine. Does it have any legs at the > back to tilt the machine up? I actually find the tilt keyboard on my 760 kind > of annoying and I prefer the machine to be raised. I guess you can say I've > had my fair share of *hot* laps and desks. The 600 does not have legs. There is no provision to tilt the keyboard. The 770 does have legs. In my experience, of a 760C, a 760E, a 770, and now a 600, the 760E was *by far* the hottest of the bunch. The 600 is a bit warmer than than the 770, but not too bad. The amount of heat depends on how busy the CPU is and what surface it is on. It seems that the newer 233/266 Pentium and Pentium II chips run a lot cooler than the 150/166 Pentium in the 760E. --Lee From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 13:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049806043; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:47:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22458; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:41:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22236; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (mfukatsu@hertz.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22196; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mfukatsu@localhost) by hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id KAA22208 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:40:27 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dock I IDE HD cable - where to buy? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can someone tell me where I can get an IDE cable for my Dock I? You would think they would use a standard IDE cable but Noooooo. Has to be proprietary. Probably costs an arm and a leg too. Thanks, -Mike -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 13:48:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050036108; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:48:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22594; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:42:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22469; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (mfukatsu@hertz.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22414; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mfukatsu@localhost) by hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id KAA22214 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:41:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dock I IDE HD cable - where to buy? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:41:14 -0700 (PDT) Resent-From: Michael Fukatsu Resent-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Resent-Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can someone tell me where I can get an IDE cable for my Dock I? You would think they would use a standard IDE cable but Noooooo. Has to be proprietary. Probably costs an arm and a leg too. Thanks, -Mike -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:04:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA052627069; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:04:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24382; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:02:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24277; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (mail-oak-2.pilot.net [198.232.147.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24264; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248] (may be forged)) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with SMTP id LAA10349; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00051B54; Wed, 3 Jun 98 11:02:13 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:00:45 -0700 Message-Id: <00051B54.1225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: phong@concentric.net, I Lee Hetherington Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Power Consumption, was Re[2]: TP 600 First Impressions Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.339698698" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.339698698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I read somewhere, in one of the on-line versions of PC Magazine or something like that, that the P166MMX mobile-version chip used the most power when compared to all of the mobile processors. Even when compared against the faster mobile processors P233MMX, PII-233, PII-266, etc. the P-166 MMX was the dubious winner. More power means more heat in your lap. My anecdotal two cents: I own a TP760XL (P166 MMX), played alot with a couple versions of the 560 (P133, P120), 760EL (P133), a bunch of Compaq Armadas (4120T), TP701C. The hottest machine by far is my very own 760XL (groan). If you really believe in labels, if you used the 760 XL on your laptop, you could easily sterilize yourself (if you're a male). Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions Author: I Lee Hetherington at Internet Date: 6/3/98 1:37 PM Patrick Hong wrote: > I do have one question regarding the machine. Does it have any legs at the > back to tilt the machine up? I actually find the tilt keyboard on my 760 kind > of annoying and I prefer the machine to be raised. I guess you can say I've > had my fair share of *hot* laps and desks. The 600 does not have legs. There is no provision to tilt the keyboard. The 770 does have legs. In my experience, of a 760C, a 760E, a 770, and now a 600, the 760E was *by far* the hottest of the bunch. The 600 is a bit warmer than than the 770, but not too bad. The amount of heat depends on how busy the CPU is and what surface it is on. It seems that the newer 233/266 Pentium and Pentium II chips run a lot cooler than the 150/166 Pentium in the 760E. --Lee --IMA.Boundary.339698698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mail-oak-2.pilot.net (198.232.147.17) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00051B13; Wed, 3 Jun 98 10:47:03 -0700 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mail-oak-2.pilot.net with ESMTP id KAA03266 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21958; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21800; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21787; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA26929; Wed, 3 Jun 98 13:38:01 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <357589F5.642EB911@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:37:57 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: phong@concentric.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions References: <199806030432.AAA01799@mcfeely.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.339698698-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:15:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA054437718; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:15:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24948; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:07:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24857; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24816; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-168.usc.edu [128.125.223.168]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA00362 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:34:56 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600 First Impressions (Straight ASCII) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone want to hazard a guess about what I just signed for today? Yep. The Airborne delivery guy mentioned, "Seems like Christmas is every few days with you!" (I've received a lot of packages in the last couple of weeks, though his "Christmas" comment is off the mark...if only he knew the heartache I went through in losing my 560...) Consider the following a prelude to the more detailed review I'll have for you in a couple of weeks. I've barely turned it on, but a few observations as I've opened the package: - Boxes: Goodness, it came in a big box, then you open it up and there's a smaller box. Upon opening *that* one up, a *very* small box with handle on it like a little suitcase (par for the course with IBM laptops--this will be my 4th, and every time the packaging is very "neat" with the handle & all). However, opening all those boxes made me feel like that scen in Dr. Seuss's "Cat in the Hat" where each cat keeps taking off a hat only to reveal a smaller cat underneath...with another hat. Okay, so they overdid it a little. I can forgive them for that. - Opening the final box, looking inside...WELL DONE, IBM. [SIDE NOTE:] Those of you who have been paying attention know that not only have I been on the list since its creation and a precious few of us had our wonderful little 750's, but also that I strayed from the true and faithful path a couple of months ago when I stumbled across a good deal on an NEC Versa 5080X--a kissin' cousin to the TP 600, but with a 233 MMX CPU. Much of my initial observations will be in comparison to the NEC, which I think is appropriate because most of their features are near-identical and they compete in the same class of machines that I call "Pretty Light, Mostly Thin, and Retaining most Full-Features" (certainly very little if any trade-offs). The NEC is a 5 lb. wonder that is almost identical in feature set to the 600, so its certainly worth making the comparison on a head-to-head basis. I believe I mentioned to this list that I jettisoned the NEC mostly because I just didn't like the Touchpad (Trackpoint is king--I know that now) and the keyboard, while not poor in quality, just suffers from the same kind of stupid key-placement tradeoffs that so many manufacturers (but not IBM) are making: Poor placement of critical keys, and crowding the keyboard with worthless items like the stupid "Windows Key". Allow me to say however, that although it wasn't to my tastes, the NEC Versa 5080X is a *fine* machine--I believe it is vital to give credit it where it is due and that one does indeed deserve it. For those who haven't had the pleasure of owning a Thinkpad, that particular model of Versa would (and should) have lots of devoted followers. I believe it to be head and shoulders above most of the laptop market. However...I without even turning on this TP 600 I can already list the (much improved) differences. To whit: SIZE MATTERS: The whole time I had the Versa, in the back of my head I couldn't help but think, "Gee...it sure is bigger than my 560." The difference was palatable, and though I liked the faster performance of the new Versa, I longed for the lighter weight and more compact size of the 560. Now this may seem strange to some of you, but for the faithful users of 701's (and perhaps 560's), you know exactly what I mean. Ever wonder why so many people are still using relatively "obsolete" 701's? Here's why--they're just a *NEATO*, compact little machine that doesn't force them to type with their pinkies. For those of us who appreciate small design & minimal weight, it doesn't take any more than 1/2 to 1 lb. for us to notice a difference. In fact, the move for a 701 user to a 560--though shaving off 1/2 lb. in weight (the 560 is lighter), is still a little traumatic because of the 560's larger footprint. Now let me preface this by saying that the TP 600 has virtually identical dimensions as the Versa 5080X, although I think its weight figures are actually about 0.1 lb. lighter. Also, the TP 600 is 0.1 inch thinner. Nevertheless, this *still* makes the 600 0.2 in. thicker than the 560 is, and nearly 1 full pound heavier (when you remove the CD drive to keep the comparison fair, since the 560 does not have one). SHE'S GOT THE LOOK: But you know what? Its amazing...for all the picking at nits you can do about the machine being bigger than the 560, I *have* to say this much: It just doesn't *seem* like it is (at least not nearly as much as the Versa 5080X). Why? I'm not sure, but I suspect there are a couple of factors: (1) The TP 600, like all ThinkPads, is black. Black by its nature tends to minimize things (which is why you don't want to squeeze your big butt into white pants--white does the opposite of black as it makes things appear larger). By contrast, the Versa was some shade of gray. I think that made it "appear" to be larger than it was, or rather that the 600 "appears" to be smaller than it really is. (2) Lines. By this, I do *not* mean fit and finish, as the NEC's fit and finish was pretty darn good. What I mean is "lines" in the sense that your car has lines--a Corvette has *very* different lines than a Volvo. It looks sleeker. For those of you who are familiar with the 3Com's Palm Pilots, the latest Palm III device *appears* smaller than its predecessors, but really *isn't*--they just shaved off the corners and edges to make a device that is less "boxy" in appearance. The TP 600 is that way. By comparison, the Versa was just plain "Boxy" whereas the 600 just looks sleeker. The 560 had very few sharp corners, mostly rounded ones which added to its already eye-pleasing experience. The 600 manages to continue--perhaps even improve--on that design thought. Its footprint is tapered inward, such that although its dimensions are whatever they are, the actual amount of machine touching the desktop is less by about 1/4" on the front and sides (but not the back--but who looks there anyway?). To put it in ASCII-artwork, it looks something like this when viewed from the side (Try viewing this in a fixed-width font): _____ \ | (Forgive my artwork--never was much of an artist) _____/ Also, the top part of the case (while the lid is open) has a similar taper to it. This creates the effect of the lid closing down "over" it, something like your upper teeth closing down over your lower (anyone here an orthodontist? I've worn braces for nearly four years now and am eager to get them off next month. Nothing worse than having an MBA, pushing 30, two kids, and yet feeling like a 14 year-old kid because you have braces...). I should mention that the fit and finish is very much up to the IBM standards that we've come to expect. Wow...*really* nice. One thing though...they've gone to these little spring doors to cover the PC card slots. That's perfectly fine with me (I broke 2 or 3 little plastic doors on my 560...fortunately they're only about $3-$5 each to replace and I got smart and ordered a handful after the first one broke). The upper and lower spring-loaded doors are supposed to meet in the middle of the opening. Mine don't quite meet--a bigger space or crack between them than I would expect. Not a big deal, I suppose. But when I fork over $4,000 for a machine, I expect a lot when it comes out of the box. SIZING UP THE RESULTS: In a nutshell...I think the 701'ers on the list would hate anything bigger than their 701, and would have some difficulty adjusting to a 560, so the 600 may be too much of a shock for them. But as a 701'er myself who made the semi-difficult transition to a 560 and now beginning my adventure with a 600...I am pleased. Yes, its a bigger machine, but it is designed in such way with its tapering & well thought-out look that its only mildly noticable. The evidence can be seen when comparing it to an almost identically-featured notebook that *doesn't* have those same attention to details. For those of you already used to carrying those big monsters weighing in at 7 or 8 pounds, you'll feel the ache leave your shoulders and breathe a sigh of relief carrying this svelte beastie--and you won't have compromised any of the features you've come to love (Unless you're some kind of DVD nut...personally, I *like* having my TV, Stereo, and Computer as seperate devices, cheating only to use the stereo system for Dolby Pro Logic Surround Sound while watching movies). I know what at least one person on this list is thinking..."Is it flimsy?" There have been dirty rumors circulating that the 701 and in particular the 560 was too soft--that its case flexed when you torqued it. Hogwash! They're fine machines, despite that my 560 gave up the ghost when dropping it on the ground (as near as I can tell, the screen is perfectly intact and the HD--which was running at the time of the drop--is what crashed. No "tough" machine in the world would have prevented that). Besides, would you rather drop a relatively light computer or a heavy beast? Seems to me they heavier one is more likely to sustain damage of some sort. Just my opinion...) BIG (BLUE) BROTHER: So the burning question: Is the 600 a wimp? The answer, in my estimation, is "No." Indeed, I think it just *might* be the most solid machine I've owned. The 750C had that flip-up keyboard, which although cool, *could* occasionally be a little weird. The 701C had that folding keyboard which again--very cool--but solid? I never had any problems with it, but it is something you worry about just a little. The 560...it was just plain light, and lifting the lid always made me wonder--again, just a little--if I should be more gentle in opening it. So...the 600? Just like the 560, *but* it seems to be considerably more substantial. Its like the 560 has a muscular older brother--you know, the one that would tell those other little brats that were teasing you to scram or meet the pavement in a swift fashion (I just wish I had one of those--can you tell I had a rough childhood?!). PICKING UP THE PIECES: The 600 is a semi-slim, mostly lightweight, *modular* computer. What does that mean? As any 701 owner knows, that means "pieces"--everywhere. Thankfully, its nothing like the 701 which had more pieces to it than I care to count (okay, lets count anyway...port replicator, floppy drive, parallel port dongle, A/C adapter...was there more? Sure seems like it...), The 560 has a floppy, CD Drive and A/C--that's it. What else do you need? Oh yes...the "spacer", for those times when you need neither the floppy or the CD drive and want to keep things as light as possible. Allow me to digress to NEC territory again, as this is where the comparison is again the most direct. I thought the Versa's "pieces" were pretty neat--a slender CD drive, floppy, spacer was a bit boxy but it served its function, and they included a cable to connect the floppy externally. Let me start by saying that IBM blew one thing: There's nothing to keep the CD drive in when not in use. The Versa included a *nice* little leather zippered pouch that gave you a place to put one of the sensitive (Floppy or CD drive) parts and keep it nice and safe. I thought it was a nice touch. Too bad IBM missed it. Come to think of it, they probably didn't--they just want you to buy it as an after-market product. However, let me tell you what IBM *did* do! I barely recognized the floppy...it comes encased in its own little shell that also has a "tail" on it which serves as the external connection to the machine (which, incidently, is the same plug that is on the floppy drive that goes with my 560--I presume the 560's floppy would work fine with it, but haven't tried it). I was indeed impressed. I can't tell you how ugly--and a little unnevering--it was to connect the NEC's floppy externally. It was just this poor little drive out in the cold with no clothes on--reminded me of when I shave our cat every year to stop the shedding (and in the process, reduce her from a gorgeous creature to an ugly rat-looking thing you'd be inclined to shoot). At any rate, the drive just seemed out of place and quite vulnerable unless it was used *inside* the machine where it belonged, even though it had a cable to connect externally (which was unwieldy too, since the floppy port was on the back of the machine and the cable placement on the drive itself was odd). No such problem on the IBM. The shell casing for the floppy makes it look like it is a natural accessory to this machine (and it is), though it does make the floppy larger than the one that came with my 701 or 560--but that's to be expected, give that those floppies aren't meant to be inserted inside anything while this one serves as a housing for a floppy that does. Also, I could imagine that NEC floppy cable getting lost. The IBM's floppy housing has the cable attached, so it seems as though it wouldn't be lost as easily. It really does just *look* nice and add some level of protection, though I suppose it is one more bulky item to travel with (if you wish) while the NEC was as simple as carrying the cable. However, unlike the NEC, there is no place to put the CD drive when not in the machine. I suppose you could put it in the floppy housing, but that's a little strange. Neither IBM nor NEC seemed to have a place to put *both* items when the spacer is being used to lighten the load. Speaking of spacers, another little thing: The NEC's spacer design was square and boxy--seemed to incorporate a lot of unnecessary plastic for reinforcement too. Meanwhile, someone at IBM must have gotten a better grade in geometry class, because theirs is shaped triangularly with a blunt nose on the end, pointed toward the back. That maintains whatever needed rigidity while minimizing plastic. NEC, go back to school. ;-) Oh...and more on fit and finish as it relates to form and function: The NEC drives were a little difficult to handle. Pulling them out of the machine meant making sure your fingers didn't go into the wrong place. there was just this narrow hole in the machine and the drive went in and out of that. Again, IBM paid closer attention to how these things get handled, and made the front of their drive (or spacer) serve as more of the front portion of the casing itself. This translates into a "handle" of sorts on the front of each of the CD & floppy drives (and the spacer), making for something more substantial to grab and hold when removing the drive. I believe it also makes for a simpler locking/release mechanism for holding the drive in place, since the NEC's locking/release mechanism had to "shoot" the drive out in order for you to get it. With the IBM, you just release the lever and pull gently. WHERE DID THAT DOOR COVER GO...? Did you ever mutter this statement under your breath? I was amazed how, on my 560, they used a 4-inch long rubber "stopper" to cover the rear ports. People on the list told me how this was better than a hinged door for a multitude of reasons, but I never much cared for the explanations--it was just one more part to get lost. And to prove that, I did indeed lose mine. I found it a month later, but not before I had already obtained a replacement... (*sigh*) Nevertheless, I do understand the counter-argument concerning port covers. Hingest can break. So how does the 600 approach this? Hinges--sort of. Its a curiously fascinating thing that probably has to be seen to be believed or truly appreciated. First of all, you have to understand they *aren't* hinges--at least not in the traditional sense that you should think. Think of it opening, joined at the plastic, but not on hinges. That's the idea. Dangerous, right? There's only so many times you can open and close that before the plastic has had enough and it just breaks off, eh? My thoughts exactly. But hold off a moment--its not what it seems! You'll probably have to see it yourself to believe it, but the concept is really simple genious. Each "door" is really a flap--don't judge it yet, its not nearly as wimpy as you might think. If you look over the whole machine, you'll note that each port is covered by this flap-style thing that folds over the door and under the computer. The flap itself appears to be a semi-flexible rubber-ish stuff, textured on the outside to be similar to the casing, but on the inside more flexible. However, you can't see much of the inside, because each end (one of which is the port door) is reinforced with nice solid plastic, so you can only see the flexible stuff where the joint bends. What you end up with is a door that serves its function as a door, yet has a folding mechanism that appears to me to be virtually impossible to wear out or even break. Really, I'm impressed. Its a simple yet smart design and you'd never know the difference without *really* looking close the way I did. Oh, the ports? All seem to be in the right place (which was a little disorienting at first!). Rear has the normal parallel, serial, & video (behind two different rear doors)--which made me wonder "Where the hell is the USB?" Well, its by the power switch on the left side, under its own little hidden door. Incidently, the modem jack is on the other side of the power switch. Oh, and right above the USB is a few holes in the casing. Its pretty clear this is for fan airflow to keep those hot little P-II's >from blowing up like miniature nukes. One article I read insisted this was the only way they could put P-II's in notebooks, with obvious concerns about the effect on battery life. On the right side where the PC card slots are (and some other jacks for audio & whatnot), there is another port (behind a door) for hooking up the floppy. This is a great relief, as the NEC forced me to get behind the machine to hook up the floppy. Also, IBM paid attention to where they put the floppy port when they designed the floppy shell. The way the cord is attached makes sense, so no strange contortions are necessary. Nice to have that, yet I've come to expect IBM to pay attention to those little things (which is why it surprises me that they didn't include a protective carrying case for the CD drive). Oh, and the power switch seems to have the smoothest action on an IBM machine I've owned since the 750. The 701 makes you break a nail to turn it on, and the 560 is moderately better, though it always seemed strange to have the IR port "attached" to the power switch. The 600 has a great, simple, *normal* power switch that turns the thing on without forcing you to do strange things to it with a fork. "THIS KISS, THIS KISS..." Okay, its an odd heading--but its the latest song by Faith Hill (Don't laugh...Pop went down the tubes, Rock n Roll & Metal ain't what it used to be, and Rap was never anything more than crap. Country, Jazz, and Classical are about the only options left!) and it was her CD that I used to test out the speakers on the 600. One of the tremendous disappointments I had when moving from the 701 to the 560 was the quality of the speaker. The 701 really had a good speaker on it--clean, crisp, rich. Surprising for such a small thing. The 560's speaker sounds like a piece of tin hooked to a vibrator. Okay, that's exaggerating, but you get the point. It works, but not particularly well. Now I should mention that I have Bose satellite speakers in my living room. I'm not an audiophile in the true sense of the word, but I do like good quality sound. At the same time, I also realize its more than a little bit silly to expect anything on a laptop to come close. So when I put in that CD, I didn't expect much...and didn't receive much. The sound was clear--at least it isn't tinny like the 560--but its fatal flaw is the lack of bass. Furthermore, its a little weird to have the speakers mounted on the wrist-rest area. Sound coming through vibrates your hands. Some might like the "massage"...some might even have sex with their wives more often instead of constantly wasting time on their Thinkpad...but personally it was just plain annoying to me. Fortunately, if it bugs you, you can either turn it down easily with a FN + PgDn key combo or just plain turn it off with a FN + BKSP key combo (very handy!). Truthfully, I liked the Versa 5080X's placement of the speakers at the top of the keyboard better (it also sounded better), but I suspect IBM wouldn't be able to do that and maintain the solid keyboard layout. If that's the tradeoff, I'll keep the crappy speakers in favor of the better keyboard! I don't miss the sound dial from my 560 all that much, as the key combo is just as easy, but being digital and not having a huge amount of steps which is perhaps more easily accomplished with an analog hardware dial. The result was that I couldn't adjust the sound to the leve I most preferred--it was either too loud or too soft. If they're going to make it a digital control like this, they could at least add more steps to the sampling... Stereo? Yes, there are two speakers. But if you call a seperation of 7 inches between those two speakers enough to call it "stereo", then you're a sadder sort than I would have thought. Personally, I don't see the point. 1 speaker works no worse than 2 that are this close together. So why try to make the space? SUMMARY: Keep your stereo. You'll need it. Saying this beats the 560's sound is like saying a Tercel beats a Yugo. Its a true statement, but nobody cares. TICKLIN' THE EBONIES... I touch type at a speed that approaches 80 wpm. I figure I'll never starve because I can always find work as a secretary. Frankly, when you have excellent typing skills, keyboards become more important than ever in your daily use. The 600's keyboard is the best one I've used since my 750. The 701's keyboard was fine, but a step down from the 750, and to be expected if you wanted something that was going to fold in on itself. The 560's never folded, but had a very similar feel to it--better than the competition's, but not up to the par that the 750's. If I may digress...the 750's keyboard was really remarkable. It managed to maintain the full-stroke travel with zero compromise that you might expect from the finest of desktop keyboards. It really set that machine apart. Of course, there has to be a dark side, and that was noise. A lot of people used 750's (and I think 755's?) in libraries and classrooms only at the risk of being whupped upside their head for the clackety-clack they were creating. Thinkpad keyboards since then have been a bit squishier...certainly quieter...and just not *quite* as good. The 600 is a pleasant surprise. No, its not quite on par with the 750's keyboard, but its better than the 560's, with which I expected it would be on-par with. The strokes seem adequately long, the feedback solid, the buttons below the space bar "click" in feel, but not in sound. Strangely enough, it seems to walk a great balance between positive feedback and "squish". The 701 & 560 keyboards were a bit soft. Its difficult to describe, but the 600 keyboard seems to feel more substantive. It is possible, however, than I'm comparing a new keyboard to a 21-month old one that has been broken in, and thus the comparison may be unfair. While we're down in this area, I might as well mention the new TrackPoint II--and its 3 buttons. What do you use the third button for? Good question. You get to define its use (sort of). You can either set it up such that you can click (and hold) and then pressure on the Trackpoint scrolls the window you're in, or you can set it up such that clicking on it brings up a "magnifying glass" that you can use the Trackpoint to move around the screen. My 67 year-old father would love this one to better see small text, but I suspect most people will use it to get a closer look at their favorite parts of various unmentionable web sites on the net. The more intriguing new feature of the TrackPoint III is the new pressure sensitivity. No, I don't mean the pressure you use to make it move from side to side. I mean the up and down pressure. As is traditional, the Trackpoint doesn't move--it just senses pressure. The *amount* of pressure and the quickness with which it is applied is user-configurable, but the usage is a bit tricky. I kept selecting things on accident when I was merely trying to push the Trackpoint to the other side of the screen. I'm sure that this, like using a Trackpoint at all, will take some getting used to but once you catch on, I'm sure most will be hooked if they can just get past the learning curve. Its a good thing IBM did this because one of the whiz-bang features of the latest Touchpads allowed you to just tap on the pad to click or even drag windows on the screen, all without taking your finger off the pad. It was infectious enough that even I, a confirmed hater of the touchpad, grew to like that feature. Now I can have something very similar in the Trackpoint, if only I can master it. AND IN CONCLUSION... I'm not certain I'll write any more on the subject. The 600 has gotten very little usage, as I spent more time writing this review from my desktop than actually using the darn thing (are you impressed with my self-discipline? Could YOU do that?!), so for the most part this has been an observation of the extrenal features with a smattering of usage issues. I really don't think there's that much more to tell. I'm assuming that a P-II performs well and the machine should be pretty fast, etc. (incidently, this is the first time that I've gotten a notebook machine with equal or better specs than whatever desktop machine I had at the time. My current desktop is a Dell Pentium Pro 200 MHz with 96 MB RAM and a 3.7 GB HD. The TP 600 is a P-II 233 with the same RAM and 3.2 GB HD. For the first time I'll expect my laptop to be about as fast as my desktop). Screen is pretty, etc. etc. I think you'll get good screens on just about any quality laptop, so I don't think that's worth comparing, per se. The only things I can think of that still need to be evaluated & reported to the list would be whether its too hot to use on your lap and how long the battery life is *really*...is that 3-hour figure they put out a load of bull? I'll try to determine that... Anything else? Hope you enjoyed my treatise on ThinkPadding... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:29:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA056618578; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:29:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26298; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:26:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26182; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26170; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:26:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18237; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15370; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.1 (643.1 5-28-1998)) id 85256618.0065A9CE ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:30:26 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Patrick West Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <85256618.00653403.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:18:09 -0400 Subject: Re: mwave in Win98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mine was working fine on beta 3 and is working fine on RC0. However, suspend/standby is not working when MWave drivers are installed.... -Bill Patrick West on 06/03/98 12:05:06 PM Please respond to Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: mwave in Win98 Folks, Has anyone a fix to get the mwave modem working in a beta of win98? A friend of a friend has a thinkpad with beta 3 of win98. He installed the drivers and the modem will respond "OK" but still won't work. Last I heard there wasn't a fix and I said so, but got to wondering if I had blipped past a discussion of a fix in the recent past because it didn't apply to me. So... Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:38:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA058519099; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:38:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26960; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:34:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26878; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26845; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-168.usc.edu [128.125.223.168]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA08733; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806031833.LAA08733@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:33:36 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600 CD Case? Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980602215846.00943c10@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:58 PM 6/2/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >One thing - dig back through that box. I could have sworn that the eval >one we got had a case for the CD-ROM to live in when it was not in the bay. > It was a flimsy one, but it was there. You know what? The CD itself has a picture of a case on it and says to "Always keep it in the case when not in use"!! But in the packing materials, I don't recall a CD case being listed in the stuff that was supposed to be included in the box. Now what do you think of that? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:39:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA058709181; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:39:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27383; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:36:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27304; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19507; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-168.usc.edu [128.125.223.168]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA11626 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806031708.KAA11626@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:08:14 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Ooops...HTML mistake! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry folks, I didn't realize that what I sent to the mailing list was sent as an HTML attachment--I never meant for that to happen. Basically, it happened because in the review, I tried to draw a little ASCII picture to show a tapering in how the side of the 600 casing appeared. To do so, I switched to a fixed-width font (Courier) and that must have unexpectedly made the whole thing into an HTML mail. Again, my apologies. I will be re-sending the review in a very *plain* ASCII format so it can be more universally received. Thanks for letting me know what happened, but...hey, some of you didn't have to be so *nasty* about it! Bullocks to those of you! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:48:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA059769724; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:48:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28016; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:40:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27887; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27866; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp05.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:39:27 PST From: "peter machule" To: "Michael Fukatsu" Cc: Subject: Re: Dock I IDE HD cable - or does ANYONE have the pinouts ?? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:37:12 -0000 Message-Id: <01bd8ee3$f3751960$cadd6420@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Mike. I'm going through the same thing myself. I want to put a IDE /ATAPI CD-ROM in a Dock I . I have contacted IBM (via their Forum) a few times.. I want the pinouts. So far nothing ;-{ ... well actually they did respond, but were wrong. ;-{ Let me know if you find anything. I intend to make my own cable. ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fukatsu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 6:44 PM Subject: Dock I IDE HD cable - where to buy? >Can someone tell me where I can get an IDE cable for my Dock I? You would >think they would use a standard IDE cable but Noooooo. Has to be >proprietary. Probably costs an arm and a leg too. > >Thanks, >-Mike > >-- >mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu >mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu >http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:49:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA060389787; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:49:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28953; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:47:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28876; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.texas.net (smtpuser@mail1.texas.net [207.207.0.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28835; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ThinkPad.texas.net (tcnet03-59.sat.texas.net [209.99.49.185]) by mail1.texas.net (8.8.8/2.4) with ESMTP id NAA07995 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806031846.NAA07995@mail1.texas.net> From: "Michael Kutchins" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:46:31 -0500 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 14:54:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA062000040; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:54:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29432; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:51:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29352; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28640; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-168.usc.edu [128.125.223.168]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA12465; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806031845.LAA12465@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:45:09 -0700 To: phong@concentric.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806030432.AAA01799@mcfeely.concentric.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:32 PM 6/2/98 , Patrick Hong wrote: >I've always purchased the high end notebook at the time but I have to admit, my >shoulder and back has paid for it dearly. Like you, I've lived through several >models although we've never used the same ones (720C, 755CX, 760ED) and have >always loved the high end machines. But, I'm seriously considering giving my >shoulder a break. I don't think you'll regret doing so. Once I realized that the "Hi End" was mostly just unnecessary feature bloat (Be honest...how many times did you use the Video Out port?), I figured there was no use in wasting my money. All most of us really want is a fast CPU, a good screen, and plenty of RAM and HD space. Ever since the 701 (well, the 701 was a little late to market so it was almost DOA in terms of CPU, etc.), IBM has shown us that they can (and do) put most all of that in a mid-range machine without the hefty price. The 560 confirmed that with wild success in the marketplace, and the 600 is well on its way to doing the same. Suddenly, the mid-range isn't "middle" at all--its a high-end machine without the decorations on the icing and for one or two thousand dollars less. >I do have one question regarding the machine. Does it have any legs at the >back to tilt the machine up? I actually find the tilt keyboard on my 760 kind >of annoying and I prefer the machine to be raised. I guess you can say I've >had my fair share of *hot* laps and desks. No legs. However, I should note that now that I've had the chance to use it for a few hours while seated on my couch and mostly have it right there in my lap, I'm *very* surprised that the bottom is just fairly warm--but *not* "Hot". My 750C always felt kinda hot, as did my 701 and to a lesser extent, my 560. Maybe its the fan they have to put in these things for the P-II's (which, I should note, I cannot hear. Even when I put my ear down to the vents I described, the only thing I hear sounds like the normal hum of a spinning hard drive. It could be a fan, I suppose, but the salient point here is that the fan is *not* noisy by a long shot.). The case bottom is warm, but not hot. Stay tuned for an addendum to the TP 600 review. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 15:14:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064711259; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:14:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01442; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:11:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01315; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01301; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25168; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806031911.PAA25168@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 15:02:51 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Typical TP Price Drops? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone have any thoughts on when the prices of the TP 600 might drop? The question is prompted because I heard Intel will reduce prices this month, and the IBM TP 600 web info indicates that the processor is an "Intel or equivalent" which implies that then AMD p-II chip s might be used in the near future. Thoughts anyone? -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 15:21:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA065351702; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:21:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01719; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:14:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01619; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inergen.sybase.com (inergen.sybase.com [192.138.151.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01605; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.sybase.com (sybgate.sybase.com [130.214.220.35]) by inergen.sybase.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id MAA12355 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:15:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wizard.sybase.com by smtp1.sybase.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/SybH3.5-030896) id AA17745; Wed, 3 Jun 98 12:13:55 PDT Received: from aethink.sybase.com by wizard.sybase.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4/SybEC3.5) id AA18118; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:13:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9806031913.AA18118@wizard.sybase.com> X-Sender: andrewe@wolfy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:13:53 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Andrew Eisenberg Subject: TP770, SelectaDock III, and a PCI video card? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'd like to put a Matrox Millenium II in a PCI slot of the SelectaDock III, in order to drive an external monitor at 1600 x 1200 at higher refresh rates and colors than the 770 itself can provide. I'm wondering if anyone has gotten something like this to work? -- Andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew J. Eisenberg phone: 781-564-7917 Sybase, Inc. fax: 781-564-7205 77 South Bedford St. Burlington, MA 01803 andrew.eisenberg@sybase.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 15:47:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA069833240; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:47:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03657; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03534; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03519; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port12-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.209]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA12716 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:40:03 -0500 Message-Id: <002601bd8f27$41c3f620$d18b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: TP770, SelectaDock III, and a PCI video card? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:38:57 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have used my 770 with the Selectadock II and a Matrox Millenium. Works great with no problems at all. You shouldn't have any problem with your configuration. Eric Giles >I'd like to put a Matrox Millenium II in a PCI slot of the SelectaDock III, >in order to drive an external monitor at 1600 x 1200 at higher refresh >rates and colors than the 770 itself can provide. > >I'm wondering if anyone has gotten something like this to work? > > -- Andrew From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 15:50:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070063404; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:50:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03927; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:43:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03794; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02657; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-168.usc.edu [128.125.223.168]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA26284; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806031930.MAA26284@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:30:58 -0700 To: huebler@ibm.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35755AA0.D15BAC80@ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:16 AM 6/3/98 , Friedrich Huebler wrote: >I am undecided between the ThinkPad 600 and 770 (the top of the line >Pentium II 266 MHz models). It seems that the 600 can do everything the >770 can do, except using DVD disk. > >What reasons are there to get a 770 instead of a 600? Any opinions are >welcome. With its extra weight, I'm sure it would come in handy if you want a real workout everytime you carry it around. :-) Also, I *think* the 770 has hardware-based MPEG-2, whereas the 600 does not (just does it in software). Of course, that's closely related to the DVD issue. You *can* get the 770 with a higher-capacity HD, as the 600 uses a slim 12.7 mm HD which as a rule, maxes out at a lower capacity (current max available is 4 GB, and a 6.4 or 6.7 GB HD will be available soon). To my knowledge, the standard 17 or 19 mm height drives in the 770 can be had as large as 8 GB in capacity as of this writing. The 770's ultra-bay also has more options than the 600's "UltraSlim" bay. The 600's was designed to be an "either-or" thing to save space--either floppy or CD (or empty spacer if you want to minimize weight for travel). I'm certain someone will make a zip drive for it sooner or later (which I'll eagerly get), but as it stands, you can't use the Ultraslim bay in the 600 to plug in a 2nd battery (like you can with the 770), nor can you plug in a 2nd hard drive into that bay. If these things are important to you, get a 770. Regarding the battery, while its nice to be able to go twice as long without a charge, its only a minor inconvenience to just carry a 2nd battery with you and make the change. By the way, speaking of batteries, the IBM site claims the 770 will last 3.5 hours on a battery charge. The claim for the 600 is 3 hours. You can also get a larger screen (14.1") with the 770. Though I personally think the distinction between 13.3" and 14.1" is dubious at best. Both are XGA. I think the screen size difference is just picking at nits. I can honestly say I *wouldn't* be any more impressed with that minor size difference, unless they raised the resolution (which they didn't). Do you like IR? If so, the 770 has two of them (I think they are actually "one" in that its a single logical port, but physically there are two IR windows for easy access--one in the front, one in the back--for easy pointing & shooting). The 600 has one IR port on the right hand side. The 770 sports Video I/O ports and a Dolby Digital Out port, neither of which are found on the 600. It also has little pop-out legs not found on the 600. But perhaps best of all, the 770, with nothing in the ultrabay but the travel cover, weighs in at 7.3 lbs. The 600 in the same situation comes in at less than 5 lbs. So you also get 2.3 extra bonus pounds with a 770. Its also at least an inch wider, 1/2 inch deeper (if you get the 14" screen), and almost an inch thicker. So if you like your laptops beefy, the 770's a great option. Also, I can't seem to get this entirely figured out, but I *think* the modem in the 770 is an X2 modem, while the one in the 600 is KFlex (both upgradable to v.90 by the end of the year, though I think that's an awful long wait). I'm not positive of this difference though--and it does seem strange if it is true. That's about it. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 15:50:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070133413; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:50:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03971; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:43:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03846; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03146; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-168.usc.edu [128.125.223.168]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA27782; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806031937.MAA27782@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 12:36:21 -0700 To: "Victor Kress" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" In-Reply-To: <199806031639.MAA17909@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:39 PM 6/2/98 , Victor Kress wrote: >I'm in the same boat. After Randal's review, my only issues are >hard-disk size, general availability of third party parts, and the I don't think its a stretch of the imagination to suggest the 600 will quickly be up to speed as far as 3rd parties making stuff for it. You have to concede that its only been available for...what, a month? Maybe a little more? The 770 has had at least 6 months of life--more than that, if you count earlier flavors of the 770 (and even more than that if you count the 760's as a predecessor for much of its basic design--the Ultrabay itself has been around for a couple of years!). >fact that the 770 can take 2 batteries at once (if you remove the >floppy/cd. Is my interpretation correct that you can't do this with >the 600? Confirmed on IBM's web site. Only 1 battery. > At this point I'm leaning to the 600, but yesterday morning >I was leaning to the 770. I'm a persuasive guy. ;-) Look for the follow-up to my review...I expect to send it later today. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 15:58:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA071373904; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:58:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05163; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05018; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05006; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA27967; Wed, 3 Jun 98 15:55:24 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3575AA2C.5C6BABF@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 15:55:24 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: huebler@ibm.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? References: <199806031930.MAA26284@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle wrote: > Also, I can't seem to get this entirely figured out, but I *think* the > modem in the 770 is an X2 modem, while the one in the 600 is KFlex (both > upgradable to v.90 by the end of the year, though I think that's an awful > long wait). I'm not positive of this difference though--and it does seem > strange if it is true. Nope. My TP600 has X2. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 17:01:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079187712; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:01:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08722; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:59:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08543; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08531; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from G15-313A.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA124548; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:59:26 -0400 Message-Id: <002901bd8f31$e9e35080$b5baa7ce@G15-313A.Residence.USherb.CA> From: "Fabian Rodriguez" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: TP 365XD for sale Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 16:55:10 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Seeing that the prices are rapidly dropping, I would like to sell my 365X= D laptop but not sure how much to ask. I would like to know from you guys h= ow much it would be fair to ask for this machine: -TP365XD, 120Mhz, onboard audio, CDROM drive, 32 MBRAM (40MB total) -External floppy, all documentation included -Combo Ethernet/14.4 kbps network/modem card -28.8 PCMCIA USR modem, ext to 56kbps -Extended (1YR) 72h turnaround IBM warranty -External logitech mouse -Carrying case (worth$150) -Master lock (the cable) I am thinking of asking $2500 (which is about U$1800) and accept offers.. What do you think? Is it too much? How much would you ask? How much would you pay? Many thanks for any ideas. I have not checked current prices so this is o= nly an estimate Fabian Rodriguez - ICQ: 1485512 - http://www.exocom.qc.ca/magicfab Exocom Consulting, Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - Spanish, french and english =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D Visitez LE magazine =E9lectronique des =E9tudiants: http://www.j1k2r1.qc.= ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 17:05:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA079537922; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:05:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09190; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:03:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09105; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU (mailhub.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09088; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shekinah (shekinah.Stanford.EDU [171.64.173.175]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with SMTP id OAA12773 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Paul Lee" To: Subject: Panasonic KXL-D740 on Linux? Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:11 -0700 Message-Id: <001801bd8f33$04285ca0$afad40ab@shekinah.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if my portable CD-ROM (KXL-D740) will work on Linux? The Panasonic web site has only DOS/Windows drivers, but I heard that Linux has a generic SCSI CD driver. Will the CD-ROM player work with Linux? Paul From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 17:41:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA085620093; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:41:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11103; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:39:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11016; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from custsrv1.vitts.com (custsrv1.vitts.com [208.7.161.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11002; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rocky-out.summa4.com ([208.7.172.8]) by custsrv1.vitts.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-49776U700L100S0) with SMTP id AAA12725; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:39:32 -0400 Received: from sherman.summa4.com by rocky-out.summa4.com via smtpd (for www.summa4.com [208.7.161.33]) with SMTP; 3 Jun 1998 21:39:32 UT Received: from summa4 (summa4.summa4.com [10.254.1.1]) by Summa4.COM (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id RAA20253; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:39:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" X-Sender: kend@summa4 To: Paul Lee Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D740 on Linux? In-Reply-To: <001801bd8f33$04285ca0$afad40ab@shekinah.stanford.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It isn't, necessarily, whether or not it will work with your SCSI CD-ROM drive itself, but rather your SCSI PCMCIA card (or parallel adapter?). Which SCSI adapter are you using? If it's made by Adaptec, you're almost definitely okay; anything else, and we'll have to check the compatibility list. Hope that helps, Ken -------------------------------------------------------------------- Ken D'Ambrosio kend@summa4.com NetAdmin, Summa Four, Inc. kena@well.com On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Paul Lee wrote: > Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:03:11 -0700 > From: Paul Lee > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Panasonic KXL-D740 on Linux? > > Does anyone know if my portable CD-ROM (KXL-D740) will work on Linux? The > Panasonic web site has only DOS/Windows drivers, but I heard that Linux has > a generic SCSI CD driver. Will the CD-ROM player work with Linux? > > Paul > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 17:54:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA087880874; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:54:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11870; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:52:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11769; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11736; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (177.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.177]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA07100; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <35747451.5DD2BB2F@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 17:53:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? References: <199806031911.PAA25168@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu my GUESS is when there are sufficient machines to fill orders AND competitive pressure, and not likely on the AMD chip letoured@sover.net wrote: > Does anyone have any thoughts on when the prices of the TP 600 might drop? > > The question is prompted because I heard Intel will reduce prices this > month, and the IBM TP 600 web info indicates that the processor is an > "Intel or equivalent" which implies that then AMD p-II chip s might be > used in the near future. > > Thoughts anyone? > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 18:13:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA091702027; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:13:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13712; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:11:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13573; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13555; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port9-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.206]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16207 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:11:38 -0500 Message-Id: <008e01bd8f3c$6da9dba0$ce8b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: TP 365XD for sale Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:10:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Seeing that the prices are rapidly dropping, I would like to sell my 365XD laptop but not sure how much to ask. I would like to know from you guys how much it would be fair to ask for this machine: -TP365XD, 120Mhz, onboard audio, CDROM drive, 32 MBRAM (40MB total) -External floppy, all documentation included -Combo Ethernet/14.4 kbps network/modem card -28.8 PCMCIA USR modem, ext to 56kbps -Extended (1YR) 72h turnaround IBM warranty -External logitech mouse -Carrying case (worth$150) -Master lock (the cable) I am thinking of asking $2500 (which is about U$1800) and accept offers.. What do you think? Is it too much? How much would you ask? How much would you pay? Many thanks for any ideas. I have not checked current prices so this is only an estimate I noticed earlier today on the comp.sys.laptops newsgroup that someone picked up a floor model 365XD from a place such as CompUSA or Office Depot with specs very close to yours with a 3 year (extended) warranty for $500 U.S. If your machine is the 10.4" TFT model, I would think that between $700-$900 U.S. would be the fair and going price for this machine. With the ThinkPad 380D 150MMX model with 12.1" TFT screen going for around $1300 new, the prices of older models are dropping even more. You can always try to ask a bit more for your machine locally, but on the Internet this would probably be the price range most people are used to. Hope this helps... Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 21:22:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA122333338; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:22:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19601; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:19:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19480; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19460; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806040119.VAA19460@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 2 Jun 1988 18:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:19:27 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Online manuals gone? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just went looking for the online manuals for the older thinkpads, and they seem to be gone. I am specifically looking for the tp750 set. Did anybody download these before IBM got rid of them? I should have done this while they were up. I knew it all seemed too good to last :). ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 22:18:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130576728; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:18:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22121; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:16:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22045; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22033; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806040216.WAA22033@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 2 Jun 1988 19:13:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:16:43 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Questions on HPA screen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone here seen the 13" HPA (faster version of dualscan) screen they are offering on the tp600 and tp560? How does it look (given that it won't be as nice as TFT). How bad is the ghosting? Would a 13.0 HPA be better than a 12.1 TFT? Are there any separate video driver issues for linux or OS/2 when dealing with HPA? Thanks, -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 22:34:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA133457684; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:34:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22967; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:26:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22858; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22846; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p08.hwts04.loop.net (p08.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.143]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA23943; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040225.TAA23943@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Victor Kress" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:26:39 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Questions on HPA screen Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:16:43 +0500, Victor Kress wrote: >Has anyone here seen the 13" HPA (faster version of dualscan) screen >they are offering on the tp600 and tp560? How does it look (given >that it won't be as nice as TFT). How bad is the ghosting? Would a >13.0 HPA be better than a 12.1 TFT? > I haven't seen the HPA, but I saw some technology on various Compaq's, Toshibas, and the 310 and 380 at CompUSA, and didn't like the LCDs. I still like my 701's LCD, and find that it seems more crisp than the others, but then again, I've been using this thing for the last 2 years. >Are there any separate video driver issues for linux or OS/2 when >dealing with HPA? > Probably not; I think that the LCD video chipset takes care of that kind of stuff so it's transparent to the user. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 22:35:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA133537712; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:35:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23472; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:32:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23389; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23362; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Wed, 03 Jun 1998 19:31:11 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Subject: not online manual but MUCH better !!! aka I have seen god ;-} Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:35:33 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd8f61$72d1e580$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While looking around for the online manual requested by one of our members I came across the following: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/bae6.html This lets you down load Tbook.pdf and twbook.pdf I highly recommend doing so now, before the link is broken or they move/lose them again. ;-} What are they ...... Simply the BEST, MOST concise description of any Thinkad ever made. Much ...MUCH ...better than the online HTML stuff or IBM's HMM Hardware Maintenance Manual. If you ever had a question of the differences between a 755C /CV /CX or a TP 760E /L /ED /XYZ etc. this is it. IT even has the Correct specs for a TP730TE . I have seen God and his name is Roger Dodson (the author this wonderful booklet) Question: why don't the authors of the online / Fax back /Tech support manuals and spec pages simply use these 2 booklets ? It is soooooo much better !!!!! Yeah, I like data......makes me happy ;-} ..peter.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 3 23:47:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA146162054; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:47:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26096; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25994; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25977; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA29129; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:00:57 -0700 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! In-Reply-To: <199806031708.KAA11626@almaak.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > Thanks for letting me know what happened, but...hey, some of you didn't > have to be so *nasty* about it! Bullocks to those of you! Sometimes if you don't bitch about something it doesn't change. Curiously enough the ASCII version was less than half the size of the HTML version. Thanks for resending it. I could actually read it this time. PINE rules. I can get my email from anywhere on the net, and can even get it from the lowliest pieces of junk that can barely manage to run a modem let alone a TCPIP stack. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 00:29:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA156854541; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:29:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28059; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:27:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27984; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27972; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts14.loop.net (p10.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.205]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA08870; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040425.VAA08870@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Steve Parker" Cc: "TP List" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 21:26:25 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:00:56 -0700 (PDT), Steve Parker wrote: >On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Thanks for letting me know what happened, but...hey, some of you didn't >> have to be so *nasty* about it! Bullocks to those of you! > > Sometimes if you don't bitch about something it doesn't change. >Curiously enough the ASCII version was less than half the size of the HTML >version. Thanks for resending it. I could actually read it this time. And I was trying to be nice about it, asking where the message was, but I honestly could NOT read it on either the ThinkPad, or my P75. Plus, not everyone reads email with Netscape (or for some, IE). But otherwise, although long, it was well worth my time to read (since I'm not feeling well, and had something interesting to read). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 01:16:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA162957365; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:16:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29699; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:14:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29570; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29557; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts14.loop.net (p10.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.205]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA14921 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040513.WAA14921@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 22:13:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad Heat Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of any way to really cool down a ThinkPad without turning it off? I've noticed that my 701 has been getting REALLY hot, so hot, that I'm currently using 2 Maxtor IDE HDs as heatsinks. The heat is bothersome. Any suggestions? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 01:27:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA164828036; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:27:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00348; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00230; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00204; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-019.usc.edu [128.125.223.19]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id WAA16696 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040524.WAA16696@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 22:25:01 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: FDD Swapping Info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/7296.html The above page describes it in detail. The following explains a PS2 command that allows the Floppy Drive to be recognized when connected externally: "This table correctly states the steps for using the UltraslimBay and FDD device as shipped. You can however, set your system to automatically recognize the FDD as an external device by typing the following command at a DOS prompt: PS2 FDD EXT. You must reboot the system, but the default setting will remain permanent until you reboot with the FDD in the bay." So there you have it--a solution to the annoyance. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 02:28:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177431737; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:28:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02229; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:27:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02107; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02095; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash6-190.flash.net [209.30.75.190]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA02742 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:26:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <35763EA2.C41E385D@flash.net> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:28:50 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: HTML message? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jim Michael wrote: > On Tue, 2 Jun 1998 karensw@halcyon.com wrote: > > >> Whittle          > > >> whittle@usc.edu         (213) > > > > I'm not sure what you're talking about. Randall's excellent review (thanks > > Randall!) came through my Eudora Pro as pure text without a whit of html in > > it. > > Some, myself included, read mail and news from a Unix shell account. > Email is a text medium. There is no need to broadcast html all over the > planet in order to communicate via email. Excellent review it may have > been, but it was deleted unread. I'm a bit confused myself. I didn't see a trace of HTML in Randall's (or anyone else's) post. I saw his long review, sans HTML. Why some of you received a garbled message doesn't make sense, unless I missed something. Could the message have been too lengthly? Bob From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 02:35:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177752111; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:35:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02613; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:33:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02538; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02526; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXTF0R0GWG9765SA@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:33:15 MST Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:29:10 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: HTML message? In-Reply-To: "Message dated Wed, 03 Jun 1998 23:28:50 -0700" <35763EA2.C41E385D@flash.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXTG3XYTFA9765SA@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I'm a bit confused myself. I didn't see a trace of HTML in Randall's (or > anyone else's) post. I saw his long review, sans HTML. Why some of you > received a garbled message doesn't make sense, unless I missed something. > Could the message have been too lengthly? No, it's just that different mail user agents (programs we all use to read our mail) treat html text differently. In my case I see all the markup stuff but in this particular case it wasn't as bad (not as much of it) as many others and the text wasn't all that hard to read. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 02:37:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177932260; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:37:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02844; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02697; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02659; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts14.loop.net (p10.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.205]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA23900; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040633.XAA23900@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "paphbob@flash.net" , "Thinkpad" Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 23:34:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HTML message? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >I'm a bit confused myself. I didn't see a trace of HTML in Randall's (or anyone >else's) post. I saw his long review, sans HTML. Why some of you received a >garbled message doesn't make sense, unless I missed something. Could the message >have been too lengthly? > First, he sent an email with only an attachment which I couldn't open (called ATT00001.ATT), no text in the body, then he sent it with straight ASCII in the body (which I CAN read). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 03:03:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA180733780; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:03:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04136; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:01:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04058; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04046; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id CAA09566; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:59:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat In-Reply-To: <199806040513.WAA14921@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wednesday, 3rd June 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone know of any way to really cool down a ThinkPad without > turning it off? Perhaps you could place it in a cooling stream from an air conditioner? -- Christian CAREY From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 03:06:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA181053996; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:06:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04628; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:04:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04530; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04498; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts14.loop.net (p10.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.205]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA28108; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040703.AAA28108@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Christian Carey" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 00:04:01 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:59:25 -0400 (EDT), Christian Carey wrote: >On Wednesday, 3rd June 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> Does anyone know of any way to really cool down a ThinkPad without >> turning it off? > >Perhaps you could place it in a cooling stream from an air conditioner? I did this once, and it helped, but we don't have an air conditioner anymore. :( That's why I haven't used this as an option. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 03:36:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185015773; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:36:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06584; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06439; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06427; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA13576; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:33:44 -1000 Message-Id: <003c01bd8f8b$3c9892a0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Steve Parker" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:34:36 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal wrote: >> Thanks for letting me know what happened, but...hey, some of you didn't >> have to be so *nasty* about it! Bullocks to those of you! Steve Parker wrote: > Sometimes if you don't bitch about something it doesn't change. Anyone who's been on this list for a while knows that Randal is well aware of the ASCII/HTML thing. Your phraseology was more appropriate applied to a systematic abuser. > PINE rules. I can get my email from anywhere on the net, If you're running Pine on your PC, then the 'anywhere on the net' behavior is really a property of IMAP4, not of PINE, and there are plenty of other mailers which support IMAP. >even get it from the lowliest pieces of junk that can barely manage to run >a modem let alone a TCPIP stack. Many of us were reading email this way years ago, using (e.g.) Unix mail from a shell account. In many ways Pine is not a big step forward from the antiquarian 'mail' - I personally find it a step backwards from its predecessor Elm. Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using mailers that can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I entirely agree that posts to lists such as this should be done in generic ASCII. *However*, this doesn't mean we should heap abuse on people who - for better or worse - have already moved to more modern protocols. BTW - Randal, I think you meant 'Bollocks'. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 03:46:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA186316390; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:46:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07093; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:44:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07010; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06998; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p10.hwts14.loop.net (p10.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.205]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA03185; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040743.AAA03185@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 00:44:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using mailers that >can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I entirely agree that >posts to lists such as this should be done in generic ASCII. *However*, this >doesn't mean we should heap abuse on people who - for better or worse - have >already moved to more modern protocols. > I think that most of us have moved into the 90's. Just because we don't like HTML attachments, or our mailer can't view it anyways doesn't mean it's outdated. Many of us who are happy with our current mailers probably won't change, myself included (though I might use Mozilla or Pine when I get my Linux/SPARC setup eventually). Additionally, I can't see any benefit of viewing a simple message in HTML anyways. It's like sending someone a VHS cassette tape when they can just as easily make a 5 minute phone call (well, this might not apply in some cases, but you get the point of what I'm saying). > >BTW - Randal, I think you meant 'Bollocks'. Whatever that means...clue me in... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 04:12:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA189407971; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:12:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08705; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:10:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08625; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08613; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IXTLKHQTXWASFOBL@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 02:10:09 MST Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 02:10:21 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat To: ThinkPad List Message-Id: <3576566D.EC69C9D5@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <199806040703.AAA28108@stevie.loop.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 NetWare 7.02 ? Hmmm Novell's DR-DOS 7.02 maybe? BTW I've been trying to figure out how to run NetWare 3.12 on my 701cs. Anyone ever run Netware on a laptop with a PCMCIA network card? -Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 04:56:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193660565; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:56:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10384; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:53:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10264; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10252; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 04:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXTF0R0GWG9765SA@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 01:53:00 MST Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 01:31:48 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat In-Reply-To: "Message dated Thu, 04 Jun 1998 00:04:01 +0000" <199806040703.AAA28108@stevie.loop.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXTKZ80H849765SA@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does anyone know of any way to really cool down a ThinkPad without > turning it off? You need to conduct the heat away from the computer. I use a solid oak table that works pretty well. The computer has to lay flat on it to have the maximum surface to surface contact and best heat transfer. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 05:43:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA198843410; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:43:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15666; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:38:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15552; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15540; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA14765; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:38:12 -1000 Message-Id: <007101bd8f9c$9e6f3400$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: [TPnone] Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:39:05 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is getting off-topic for this list. My point was that enhanced text email is inevitable, and - while we should keep it off lists like this one until it is pretty universal - anyone who avoids finding a convenient way of dealing with it will find online life increasingly annoying as time goes on. Deletion is one OK way of dealing with it (though it doesn't work on digested lists); reading it normally seems to me to be a lot less stressful. Meanwhile, I don't think it serves any purpose to berate people who use it, other than a gentle reminder that it is currently inappropriate on this list. Paul, in your case I think your mailer is improperly configured, since it saves all attachments in an unreadable .ATT form. Better would be a *more* primitive mailer (like Pine or Elm), which just shows the offending message as source text with all the embedded HTML codes, or one which is MIME-aware enough to at least parse the attachment's type, if not display it normally. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: ThinkPad List ; David Ross Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! > >>Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using mailers that >>can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I entirely agree that >>posts to lists such as this should be done in generic ASCII. *However*, this >>doesn't mean we should heap abuse on people who - for better or worse - have >>already moved to more modern protocols. >> >I think that most of us have moved into the 90's. Just because we don't like HTML >attachments, or our mailer can't view it anyways doesn't mean it's outdated. Many >of us who are happy with our current mailers probably won't change, myself included (though >I might use Mozilla or Pine when I get my Linux/SPARC setup eventually). Additionally, >I can't see any benefit of viewing a simple message in HTML anyways. It's like sending >someone a VHS cassette tape when they can just as easily make a 5 minute phone call >(well, this might not apply in some cases, but you get the point of what I'm saying). > >> >>BTW - Randal, I think you meant 'Bollocks'. > >Whatever that means...clue me in... >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant >from here) >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 05:52:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA199273968; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:52:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16129; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:47:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16035; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic-ocean.carlson-marketing.co.uk (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16023; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:44:32 +0100 Message-Id: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5DD86B@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 vs 770 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:47:56 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm on the verge of making a decision about my new laptop, I am sure it will be a 600 but I have one question. I am lead to believe that some models of the 770 can output video to a TV via an S-Video jack, does the 600 have this feature? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 5:15 PM > Subject: thinkpad digest for Wed, 03 Jun 1998 > > Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to > thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: > "Re: thinkpad digest for...") > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Today's topics: > > TPALL: Its ALL gotta go!! (Bob Angell) > Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 (Paul Rubin) > Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 (I Lee Hetherington) > Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 (Bill Morrow) > Better Outdoor Screen (Active or HPA?) (letoured@sover.net) > TP 600 First Impressions (Randal Whittle) > Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Steve Parker) > Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Patrick Hong) > Re: TP 600 First Impressions (karensw@halcyon.com) > Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Paul Khoury) > Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Jim Michael) > RE: Oops...dropped my 560 (Randal Whittle) > Re: thinkpad digest for Tue, 02 Jun 1998 (Randal Whittle) > TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? (Friedrich Huebler) > [TP 770] Olicom PCMCIA Token-Ring Card (Ulrich Frey) > Re: TP 600 or 770 - What to buy? (I Lee Hetherington) > mwave in Win98 (Patrick West) << Message: Untitled Attachment >> From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 06:27:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA231606046; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:27:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17268; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:22:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17167; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (genepool@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17155; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id DAA22096; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 03:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: HTML message? To: Bob Garagliano Cc: Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <35763EA2.C41E385D@flash.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Bob Garagliano wrote: > I'm a bit confused myself. I didn't see a trace of HTML in Randall's (or anyone > else's) post. I saw his long review, sans HTML. Why some of you received a > garbled message doesn't make sense, unless I missed something. Could the message > have been too lengthly? > If your newsreader interprets html, then you would have seen only text. I read mail with pine, which does not interpret html. HTH. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 08:02:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA245481766; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:02:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19863; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:59:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19729; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19717; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id GAA24349 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:59:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id GAA24345 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 06:59:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:56:49 -0600 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:56:17 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:55:26 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_D3879D61.FC9DE87D" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_D3879D61.FC9DE87D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >>> "Paul Khoury" 06/04/98 12:44am >>> > think that most of us have moved into the 90's. Just because we don't >ike HTMLattachments, or our mailer can't view it anyways doesn't mean > its outdated. Manyof us who are happy with our current mailers >probably won't change, myself included (though >I might use Mozilla or Pine when I get my Linux/SPARC setup >eventually). Additionally, >I can't see any benefit of viewing a simple message in HTML anyways. >It's like sending >someone a VHS cassette tape when they can just as easily make a 5 >minute phone call (well, this might not apply in some cases, but you get the point of what I'm saying). It's more analogous to someone who prefers to watch the old 13" B/W TV because they are familiar with it, and it takes up less room than a bigger color model. I think it's crazy but who the heck am I to judge? Actually, when I can't connect to my ISP and I'm expecting some important e-mail, I will tenet in and use elm, but I don't use it as my primary mail client. >Whatever that means...clue me in... - I think it means to heck with you....but I could be wrong. - Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline >Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using mailers that >can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I entirely agree that >posts to lists such as this should be done in generic ASCII. *However*, this >doesn't mean we should heap abuse on people who - for better or worse - have >already moved to more modern protocols. > I think that most of us have moved into the 90's. Just because we don't like HTML attachments, or our mailer can't view it anyways doesn't mean it's outdated. Many of us who are happy with our current mailers probably won't change, myself included (though I might use Mozilla or Pine when I get my Linux/SPARC setup eventually). Additionally, I can't see any benefit of viewing a simple message in HTML anyways. It's like sending someone a VHS cassette tape when they can just as easily make a 5 minute phone call (well, this might not apply in some cases, but you get the point of what I'm saying). > >BTW - Randal, I think you meant 'Bollocks'. Whatever that means...clue me in... --Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 --=_D3879D61.FC9DE87D-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 09:25:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA254076752; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:25:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22837; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:23:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22724; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22709; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash1-23.flash.net [209.30.74.23]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA16573 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:23:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3576A035.D93BA63F@flash.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 06:25:10 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: HTML vs. ASCII Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle wrote: > appeared. To do so, I switched to a fixed-width font (Courier) and that > must have unexpectedly made the whole thing into an HTML mail. That explains why I didn't see any HTML. It looked like a plain ASCII drawing to me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 10:51:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266251881; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:51:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26900; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:35:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26729; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13100; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ciscoserv-230-044.usc.edu [128.125.230.44]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA10398 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:17:48 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Win 95 TP Icons? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I lost this when my 560 crashed. Anyone remember those neat little Win 95 icons (a .DLL file) you could use in Windows to make the "My Computer" a ThinkPad icon instead of a generic PC? If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Or just E-mail to me directly. Many thanks. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 10:52:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266411919; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:51:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27507; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27255; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26576; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-019.usc.edu [128.125.223.19]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id UAA08588 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:55:13 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600 Review--Part II Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The TP 600 review continues as I get a bit more experience using it. Without any further adieu: ON A DIET Well how do you like that...I thought it *seemed* lighter than did the Versa 5080X and was surprised that it didn't seem all that much bigger than the 560, when lo and behold--I find on IBM's web site that there is some variation in the weights of various flavors of 600! My model, stripped to its skivvies, is actually 4.91 Lbs., while the P-II 266 version is 4.99 Lbs. So in truth, it didn't just *seem* lighter...it actually *was*! The NEC was at least 5 full pounds stripped, and maybe as much as 5.1. That means this machine is 0.8 lbs. heavier than a 560--not bad. Surprisingly good, actually. Maybe the 701'ers will actually forgive it for the post-pregnancy weight--a bit extra on the hips, but not really fat either. GOT JUICE? Wow...56 Watts? I think the 560's is 40 Watts. It shows. The A/C adapter is thicker. The old one was like a pack of cards. This one is like a seriously stacked deck. ;-) I already put away my 560 stuff for a rainy day, but as I recall, the voltage and amperage output is very similar to what the 560's A/C put out. Interesting to note that this one is grounded (you know, that 3-prong plug you're always looking to find an adapter for). I wonder why now, when simple polarization seemed to be good enough for previous models? At any rate, it seems the electrical is beefier for this one than on the 560--still physically smaller than what was on my 750C though. And smaller than the NEC's too. TICKLIN' THE EBONIES II--KEYBOARD REVISITED I covered this in the last one, but it was only after some minimal usage on the 600. I've changed my mind about it. It's *better* than I initially suggested! I'm inclined now to say that its keyboard is on-par with that fabulous 750 keyboard (or at least very close). Its *really* GOOD. Strokes seem a bit longer than the 560, feedback is springier without much if any mushiness. I am pleased--very pleased. ...AND NOT A LEG TO STAND ON But neither does it need one. Maybe its a personal preference issue, but the idea of tilting keyboards or legs just never resonated with me. I've used 'em both ways and notice no difference. So...no little fold-out legs on the 600. Does it matter? I don't think so. NOT A SPACE HEATER I should note that now that I've had the chance to use it for a few hours while seated on my couch and mostly have it right there in my lap, I'm *very* surprised that the bottom is just fairly warm--but *not* "Hot". My 750C always felt kinda hot, as did my 701 and to a lesser extent, my 560. Maybe its the fan they have to put in these things for the P-II's (which, I should note, I cannot hear. Even when I put my ear down to the vents I described, the only thing I hear sounds like the normal hum of a spinning hard drive. It could be a fan, I suppose, but the salient point here is that the fan is *not* noisy by a long shot.). The case bottom is warm, but not hot. I SEE THE LIGHT! A nice feature that was missing from the 560 is the ability to see the LED's that show charge and suspend status while the lid is closed. I have a flaky electric socket that I use and there were a couple of times that I had the 560 plugged in to charge for the night and when I went to use it the next morning, it hadn't been charged. If I could have seen the LED's conveniently, I likely would have caught it and wiggled the plug in the socket as necessary. Both the 750 and the 701 allowed you to see the status while closed, and I am pleased to see they've come back to that on the 600. It was a minor item on the 560, but as we all know, the little things matter. You can overlook some, but not too many of them. Thankfully, the ThinkPads do a great job of covering most (almost all?) of those little things. SLOPPY FLOPPY The 600, to keep things small, has one ultrabay that houses either a CD drive (included in all but the least model) or a floppy. Alternately, you can hook up the floppy externally using the included shell I described earlier. The problem? You've got to learn the rules--and its got a couple of tricks to it that, IMO, could be improved on. Here's the deal: Let's say you're zipping along...you have the CD drive installed in the bay, but you need to make use of the floppy drive. Now, on my 560, it was as simple as plugging the floppy in to the external port and you were in business--recognized it on the fly without any reboot silliness. You'd think this could do it too, right? Not quite... Apparently the trick is that the Ultraslim bay, in order to be able to warm swap (which means you have to suspend or hibernate, but you don't have to reboot) between CD and Floppy in the bay, makes some tradeoffs in assuming where the Floppy drive is expected to be. What that means is, if you just booted normally with the CD in the bay, then you don't have the convenience of merely attaching the floppy externally to use both--that is, UNLESS the floppy was attached externally when you booted. I *think* under that circumstance, you can detach and later re-attach the floppy and have it work. You can, of course, suspend/hibernate, remove the CD and replace it with the floppy in the bay. But that's a considerable annoyance compared to simple attaching it on the fly. Oddly enough, if you *start* with the floppy in the bay and then want to have the CD in the bay with the floppy hooked up, you can hibernate (or power off, but *not* suspend, at least it doesn't say you can in the book) and pull out the floppy, insert the CD, and attach the floppy externally. In all cases, hooking the floppy externally means you had to have booted with the floppy either attached or in the bay, to begin with. That's a bit annoying if you generally just run with the CD (as I suspect most would) and want to hook on the floppy as needed, but the annoyance is minimal and can be worked around. I presume the circumstances where you need both floppy and CD are predictable enough that you can boot with that configuration. I still want a protective pouch to hold the CD when not inserted into the bay (and oddly enough, the printing on the CD drive *does* recommend you do just that, as if it was supposed to be included!). It turns out the shape of the CD drive prevents it from fitting in the floppy's shell, so that's not an option. Any suggestions would be nice. Right now I kinda wish I had kept that little case from the NEC when I sold that off. ;-) AT LONG LAST... Well, I've come to the end again. This one just tied up the loose ends >from the previous review. I still haven't tested battery life as I've been tethered to A/C all day and haven't the inkling to test the battery at the moment (what with all the software installs & configurations I have to do). I haven't decided whether there will be a Part III to this review, but if I feel it is warranted, I will indeed do so. Meanwhile, I'll be signing off. Again, happy Thinkpadding! ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 10:52:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266501937; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:52:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27372; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:38:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27165; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24717; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a32.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.96]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA17776 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:05:42 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <35760F3E.F313BEBF@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 20:06:38 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Problems with Seagate Parallel Port Backup Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a minor problem. I tried to connect a Seagate 800MB tape backup to the parallel port connector. The drive is recognized, but I cannot get a good compatibility test run. I set the port to bidirectional, EPP and ECP (non-DMA and DMA mode). At first I thought a new tape I bought was faulty, but when I connected the system to my desktop (which does not need a backup solution) it worked fine after a power down/up cycle. The only difference is that I do not have my Zip Drive configured on the other system (it also connects through the parallel port). Any ideas? I know that the parallel port is not broken as the ZIP drive works as well as the use of a printer. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 10:52:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266601968; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:52:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27146; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:38:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27003; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13116; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ciscoserv-230-044.usc.edu [128.125.230.44]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA10406; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:20:16 -0700 To: letoured@sover.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806031911.PAA25168@pike.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:02 PM 6/3/98 , letoured@sover.net wrote: >Does anyone have any thoughts on when the prices of the TP 600 might drop? Usually that happens when its replacement is readied. :-) >The question is prompted because I heard Intel will reduce prices this >month, and the IBM TP 600 web info indicates that the processor is an >"Intel or equivalent" which implies that then AMD p-II chip s might be >used in the near future. Somehow I doubt it--at least the AMD option. If Intel drops price, IBM may pass it along, but I doubt they'll switch to AMD. To my knowledge, other than some specialty TP's that use a PowerPC CPU, there's never been anything other than Intel x86's in them. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 10:53:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA266822016; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:53:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27536; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27296; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27487; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 00:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-019.usc.edu [128.125.223.19]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA10654; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806040418.VAA10654@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:18:52 -0700 To: "Victor Kress" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Questions on HPA screen Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" In-Reply-To: <199806040216.WAA22033@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:16 AM 6/3/98 , Victor Kress wrote: >Has anyone here seen the 13" HPA (faster version of dualscan) screen >they are offering on the tp600 and tp560? How does it look (given >that it won't be as nice as TFT). How bad is the ghosting? Would a >13.0 HPA be better than a 12.1 TFT? > >Are there any separate video driver issues for linux or OS/2 when >dealing with HPA? Can't answer the first question, but regarding the second...should be "No". The video driver talks to the chipset logic. The interface dealing with how the display itself functions is a physical one, and hence doesn't (shouldn't) require any special driver issues of any kind--just for whatever video chipset is involved (for the 600, Neomagic). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 11:00:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268052448; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:00:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29866; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:58:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29758; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29724; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 10:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id JAA02477; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:56:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3576B64F.C92E3887@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 4 Jun 1998 14:58:44 UT Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:59:27 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Win 95 TP Icons? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you have the ThinkPad utilities installed, check out some of the .EXE and .DLL files in the c:\thinkpad (or \thinknt) directory. In my NT version of the utilities the TPN.EXE file has a passable ThinkPad icon. Certainly not the most flattering one you've ever seen, but it gets the point across. HTH, Rob Randal Whittle wrote: > I lost this when my 560 crashed. > > Anyone remember those neat little Win 95 icons (a .DLL file) you could use > in Windows to make the "My Computer" a ThinkPad icon instead of a generic PC? > > If anyone can point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. Or just > E-mail to me directly. > > Many thanks. > > ------- > Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 > Director, Electronic Commerce Program > Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 11:11:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA269453113; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:11:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01147; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:09:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01019; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01005; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA00502 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980604080516.00a6b65c@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 08:06:53 -0700 To: TP List From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: lithium battery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is my first Thinkpad--rather laptop--and I realize I've haven't a clue about dealing with the life of a lithium battery. There wasn't much in the literature either. Maybe there's a website or something. If anyone has an idea they would share with me about optimising its use, I would appreciate it very much. Thanks. Byerly From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 11:47:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA274625228; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:47:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03858; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03746; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03728; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23848 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA02763 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD8FAE.538E7B50@ntmail.tiac.net>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:45:52 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'letoured@sover.net'" , "'Randal Whittle'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Typical TP Price Drops? Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:45:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, My Thinkpad 365ED has a non-Intel processor and it is not a PowerPC. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > To my knowledge, other than some specialty TP's that use a PowerPC >CPU, >there's never been anything other than Intel x86's in them. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 12:07:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA277546468; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:07:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05366; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:04:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05221; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05209; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:04:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from BOB (pm9-55.mry.redshift.com [207.204.197.55]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03217 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:04:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199806041604.JAA03217@mail.redshift.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:03:32 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <003c01bd8f8b$3c9892a0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <003c01bd8f8b$3c9892a0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math>, on 06/03/98 at 09:34 PM, "David Ross" said: >Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using >mailers that can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I >entirely agree that I sincerely hope not. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 12:29:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA281357745; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:29:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07232; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:26:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07155; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw5.pacbell.net (mail-gw5.pacbell.net [206.13.28.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07139; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valmen (ppp-206-170-32-72.snfc21.pacbell.net [206.170.32.72]) by mail-gw5.pacbell.net (8.8.8/8.7.1+antispam) with SMTP id JAA13348; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <004d01bd8fd5$cb2a6080$4820aace@valmen> From: "Voltaire Almendrala" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:28:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yup, have run both Netware 3.x, 4.x & Win NT Server 3.x-4.x on TP 760E & TP755CX. Performance was a joke but both Netware & NT were very stable. I used 3Com PCMCIA NICs and I believe the driver for Netware is on 3Com's FTP site rather on the driver diskettes. //VA -----Original Message----- From: Greg Alvandian To: ThinkPad List Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:11 AM Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat >BTW I've been trying to figure out how to run NetWare 3.12 on my 701cs. >Anyone ever run Netware on a laptop with a PCMCIA network card? >-Greg A. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 14:38:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA002025498; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:38:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14126; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:29:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13407; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13378; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29721; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:45:17 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:45:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: David Ross Cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: OT: Was: Ooops...HTML mistake! In-Reply-To: <003c01bd8f8b$3c9892a0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, David Ross wrote: > If you're running Pine on your PC, then the 'anywhere on the net' behavior is > really a property of IMAP4, not of PINE, and there are plenty of other mailers > which support IMAP. I run Pine on my Linux box which is also my TCPIP router. I can get to Torgo from anywhere on the net via Telnet. I've dialed into shell accounts with things as weak as Commodore 64's and Telnetted to get my mail. It may be slow at times, but it works on nearly anything. I have a consistent mail program interface no matter what I'm on. I hate having to learn a dozen different ways of doing freakin' mail of all things. I have better things to do like play with and learn about hardware. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 14:49:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA004536164; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:49:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14892; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14774; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14755; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA02668; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041843.LAA02668@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Greg Alvandian" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 09:53:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 02:10:21 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >> -- >> Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS >> http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) >> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 > >NetWare 7.02 ? Hmmm Novell's DR-DOS 7.02 maybe? >BTW I've been trying to figure out how to run NetWare 3.12 on my 701cs. >Anyone ever run Netware on a laptop with a PCMCIA network card? Yup. The easiest network I've ever setup (don't know about Macintosh, but this was EASY). I suppose you could set it up on a ThinkPad. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 14:50:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA005146253; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:50:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15122; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:47:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15004; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14968; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA02941; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041845.LAA02941@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 11:46:53 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPnone] Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Paul, in your case I think your mailer is improperly configured, since it saves >all attachments in an unreadable .ATT form. Better would be a *more* primitive >mailer (like Pine or Elm), which just shows the offending message as source text >with all the embedded HTML codes, or one which is MIME-aware enough to at least >parse the attachment's type, if not display it normally. In my case, I don't plan on switching unless someone would like to pay for another mailer. I think most people would agree with me that when you use a mailer that you really like, you are VERY hesitant to switch. Okay, back to ThinkPad stuff... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 15:17:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA009447832; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:17:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17095; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:12:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16957; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16476; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-164.usc.edu [128.125.223.164]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA08185; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041905.MAA08185@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 11:59:41 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Cc: "David Ross" In-Reply-To: <199806040743.AAA03185@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:44 PM 6/3/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: > >>Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using mailers that >>can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I entirely agree that >>posts to lists such as this should be done in generic ASCII. *However*, this >>doesn't mean we should heap abuse on people who - for better or worse - have >>already moved to more modern protocols. >> >I think that most of us have moved into the 90's. Just because we don't like HTML >attachments, or our mailer can't view it anyways doesn't mean it's outdated. Many >I can't see any benefit of viewing a simple message in HTML anyways. It's like sending >someone a VHS cassette tape when they can just as easily make a 5 minute phone call No, if everyone was using HTML mail, I could have embedded close-up pictures of the door hinges and tapered edges I was describing instead of trying draw them in ASCII. Dave's right. The more appropriate analogy would be those who were so attached to their radios that they wouldn't buy a TV. Once you see how useful HTML mail can be, you'll wish everyone else had it too. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 15:22:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA010328119; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:21:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17145; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:12:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17006; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16562; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-164.usc.edu [128.125.223.164]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA08194; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041905.MAA08194@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:04:35 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: HTML message? Cc: "paphbob@flash.net" In-Reply-To: <199806040633.XAA23900@stevie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:34 PM 6/3/98 , Paul Khoury wrote: >>I'm a bit confused myself. I didn't see a trace of HTML in Randall's (or anyone >>else's) post. I saw his long review, sans HTML. Why some of you received a >>garbled message doesn't make sense, unless I missed something. Could the message >>have been too lengthly? Chances are your mailer saw the HTML mail and your viewed it normally without you knowing the difference--and you wouldn't know the difference because there *wasn't* anything fancy about it. What happened was that I switched from the default font to "Courier" to draw the ASCII diagram. Once I did that, it treated the whole message as an HTML-formatted message, unbeknownst to me. >First, he sent an email with only an attachment which I couldn't open >(called ATT00001.ATT), no text in the body, then he sent it with >straight ASCII in the body (which I CAN read). Actually, I didn't "attach" anything--that's why I was surprised about the whole hubub. What you're seeing is how your mailer chose to deal with it. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 15:32:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA012138724; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:32:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18451; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:28:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18360; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18340; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08329; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041926.MAA08329@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 12:27:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > To my knowledge, other than some specialty TP's that use a PowerPC CPU, >there's never been anything other than Intel x86's in them. > Actually, this is incorrect. There was a model of 365 that used Cyrix 5x86-100's. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 15:40:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA013479213; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:40:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18711; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:30:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18611; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18581; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA08653; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041928.MAA08653@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "letoured@sover.net" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 12:29:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Typical TP Price Drops? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 4 Jun 1998 11:45:49 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Hello, > >My Thinkpad 365ED has a non-Intel processor and it is not a PowerPC. > This is probably the Cyrix chip I mentioned in a previous email. The ThinkPads with the PPCs are IBM's ThinkPad 820 and 850, which are theroretically part of the RS/6000 line, and run either Windows NT or AIX. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 15:43:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014089431; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:43:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19705; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:38:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19591; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19549; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09917; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041936.MAA09917@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Cc: "David Ross" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 12:37:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > No, if everyone was using HTML mail, I could have embedded close-up >pictures of the door hinges and tapered edges I was describing instead of >trying draw them in ASCII. > It would have been easier to just have it online, and post a URL for those wanting to see pictures of your ThinkPad. I would have gladly checked out a URL, but would probably not if someone sent the list and I the whole page itself. > Dave's right. The more appropriate analogy would be those who were so >attached to their radios that they wouldn't buy a TV. Once you see how >useful HTML mail can be, you'll wish everyone else had it too. > That's like expecting those of us not using Windows to switch to a GUI client that takes over our whole desktop. If we don't have HTML capabilities, and don't want them, then there's probably a reason. Maybe we should have a "ThinkPad List - complaints" list... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 15:45:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014849516; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:45:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19400; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:35:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19250; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19170; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts04.loop.net (p09.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.144]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA09513; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806041933.MAA09513@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mike Hunziker" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 12:34:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >It's more analogous to someone who prefers to watch the old 13" >B/W TV because they are familiar with it, and it takes up less room >than a bigger color model. I think it's crazy but who the heck am I to >judge? > I think this is a little different, because I can't think of any way television is productive, where a computer would be. When someone learns something, and they're happy with it, I doubt they're willing to change quickly to something else. There's the old saying "If it ain't broken, then don't fix it." -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 16:16:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA021771414; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:16:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22469; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:14:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22340; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22325; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop (slip129-37-196-98.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.98]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA36746; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:14:18 GMT Message-Id: <3576FF7E.5956@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 15:11:42 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List , Fabian Rodriguez Subject: Re: TP 365XD for sale References: <002901bd8f31$e9e35080$b5baa7ce@G15-313A.Residence.USherb.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabian, I currently own a TP365XD which I purchased new about 1.5 years ago for $1800US. The only difference was a 16M RAM (24M total) rather than 32M. I would think $1800US would be rather high now for a used machine. Fabian Rodriguez wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > Seeing that the prices are rapidly dropping, I would like to sell my 36= 5XD > laptop but not sure how much to ask. I would like to know from you guys= how > much it would be fair to ask for this machine: >=20 > -TP365XD, 120Mhz, onboard audio, CDROM drive, 32 MBRAM (40MB total) > -External floppy, all documentation included > -Combo Ethernet/14.4 kbps network/modem card > -28.8 PCMCIA USR modem, ext to 56kbps > -Extended (1YR) 72h turnaround IBM warranty > -External logitech mouse > -Carrying case (worth$150) > -Master lock (the cable) >=20 > I am thinking of asking $2500 (which is about U$1800) and accept offers= .. >=20 > What do you think? Is it too much? How much would you ask? How much wou= ld > you pay? > Many thanks for any ideas. I have not checked current prices so this is= only > an estimate >=20 > Fabian Rodriguez - ICQ: 1485512 - http://www.exocom.qc.ca/magicfab > Exocom Consulting, Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - Spanish, french and english > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > Visitez LE magazine =E9lectronique des =E9tudiants: http://www.j1k2r1.q= c.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 16:30:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA024422248; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:30:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23484; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:28:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23399; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23380; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IXUBCUW0ECAUVHNY@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:28:28 MST Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:28:42 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat To: Voltaire Almendrala Cc: ThinkPad List Message-Id: <3577037A.FD6CE361@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <004d01bd8fd5$cb2a6080$4820aace@valmen> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Did you have to use a point enabler to recognize the card? Or did you load card and socket services? Or is there an NLM that recognizes the PCMCIA sockets? Voltaire Almendrala wrote: > > Yup, have run both Netware 3.x, 4.x & Win NT Server 3.x-4.x on > TP 760E & TP755CX. Performance was a joke but both Netware > & NT were very stable. I used 3Com PCMCIA NICs and I believe > the driver for Netware is on 3Com's FTP site rather on the driver > diskettes. > > //VA > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Alvandian > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 1:11 AM > Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat > > >BTW I've been trying to figure out how to run NetWare 3.12 on my 701cs. > >Anyone ever run Netware on a laptop with a PCMCIA network card? > >-Greg A. > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 16:42:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026142963; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:42:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24487; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:39:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24356; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24319; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts15.loop.net (p26.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.251]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA17935; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806042037.NAA17935@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Greg Alvandian" , "Voltaire Almendrala" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:38:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad Heat Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 14:28:42 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >Did you have to use a point enabler to recognize the card? Or did you >load card and socket services? Or is there an NLM that recognizes the >PCMCIA sockets? > With Personal Netware, I think it'd be a point enabler. It's really cool to be able to play games against my brother, while being able to simultaniously share files (since my machine is the network server). I think it even comes with special APM software, but I haven't looked into this as neither my 486SLC2-50 nor his P66 support APM anyways. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 16:44:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA026923075; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:44:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24750; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:42:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24630; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.la.tis.com (relay.la.tis.com [198.51.22.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24613; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 16:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay.la.tis.com; id NAA05698; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gila.la.tis.com(192.5.49.200) by relay.la.tis.com via smap (3.2) id xma005695; Thu, 4 Jun 98 13:59:14 -0700 Received: from gila.la.tis.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gila.la.tis.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27888 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 13:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806042040.NAA27888@gila.la.tis.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.9 8/22/96 To: thinkpad list Subject: Megahertz XJ1366 in NT 4.0? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 13:40:36 -0700 From: Roger Knobbe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is anybody using an XJ1366 PCMCIA modem in a Thinkpad under NT 4.0? I've got a 760XL and can't get NT to detect the modem. I suspect it's a "Card Enabler" issue, but I can't find anything helpful on the 3com web page. The modem works OK under linux (although I only get 28.8 connects, which is part of the reason I want to check it out under NT), so I think the modem itself is functional. I downloaded the XJ1366.EXE "drivers" file from 3com, and used the "Have disk..." button in the modems control-panel applet, but I get a dialog box that says I need to check the manual for how to install the software. I don't have the manual! I bought the card as-is, used. Any helpful hints out there? rog. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 17:43:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036086608; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:43:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27825; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:41:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27704; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27692; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog ([12.70.38.222]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980604214058.MAMZ27858@expwncog>; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:40:58 +0000 Message-Id: <3577146E.25AE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:41:02 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "B.R. Woodward" Cc: TP List Subject: Re: lithium battery References: <3.0.32.19980604080516.00a6b65c@mail.lightside.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > This is my first Thinkpad--rather laptop--and I realize I've haven't a clue > about dealing with the life of a lithium battery. Just use it. Don't worry about draining and recharging. I am going on 3 years with one. Nicad I am going 4 years on one. Birger From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 18:47:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA046100462; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:47:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00473; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:44:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00343; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (mfukatsu@hertz.ee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.104]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00331; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mfukatsu@localhost) by hertz.ee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id PAA23587; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:44:01 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:44:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Fukatsu To: peter machule Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock I IDE HD cable - or does ANYONE have the pinouts ?? In-Reply-To: <01bd8ee3$f3751960$cadd6420@peter> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Peter, I'll let you know if I find anything out. I would like to make my own cables for the IDE, SCSI and floppy connectors, but I can't find the pinouts anywhere (Let alone where I would actually get those connectors). -Mike On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, peter machule wrote: > Hi Mike. > I'm going through the same thing myself. > I want to put a IDE /ATAPI CD-ROM in a Dock I . I have contacted IBM > (via their Forum) a > few times.. I want the pinouts. > So far nothing ;-{ ... well actually they did respond, but were wrong. ;-{ > Let me know if you find anything. > I intend to make my own cable. > > ..peter.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Fukatsu > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 6:44 PM > Subject: Dock I IDE HD cable - where to buy? > > > >Can someone tell me where I can get an IDE cable for my Dock I? You would > >think they would use a standard IDE cable but Noooooo. Has to be > >proprietary. Probably costs an arm and a leg too. > > > >Thanks, > >-Mike > > > >-- > >mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu > >mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu > >http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ > > > > > > -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 19:29:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA052152940; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:29:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01948; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:27:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01865; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01853; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 200.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.200]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980604232638.OBWE27858@200.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:26:38 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 23:26:30 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-Id: <3576d1b1.935270@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199806041604.JAA03217@mail.redshift.com> In-Reply-To: <199806041604.JAA03217@mail.redshift.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 09:03:32 -0700, you wrote: > at 09:34 PM, "David Ross" said: >>Hopefully soon everyone online will enter the 90's and start using >>mailers that can properly handle attachments and HTML. Meanwhile, I >>entirely agree that > >I sincerely hope not. I truly hope so, myself. I think some of the problems with HTML is people think of a lot of those gosh-awful multimedia web pages when they hear it. It's really just a text mark-up language, and if used properly wouldn't require more than a few more characters' bandwidth than plain ASCII does now. But it offer the option of using text enhancements like bold-face and italics, and copyright emblems, or typing in degrees and such. Used properly, it would make Usenet quite a bit more expressive for very little bandwidth investment, and my only wish for Agent is that it would recognize the tags. If it could be implemented without the (over)use of binaries, I'd personally vote in favor of it's adoption. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 19:48:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA055154131; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:48:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02874; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:47:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02721; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02694; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15757; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806042347.TAA15757@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 19:33:32 -0400 To: Henry Shin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BD8F42.C3C011C0.shin_hw@clark.net> Subject: RE: Typical TP Price Drops? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Where did you see the info on non-Intel chip in TP 600? I couldn't find >that info anywhere. I forgot what I clicked on for that but I think I was at: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/e1ba.html --FWIW, its a neat information site by itself. >It seems to me that IBM and others lower their price when a faster model >comes out. So, I would look for when Intel will introduce their next fast > chip beyond 266mhz mobile processor. Good point. Has anyone heard anything about another Moble P-II chip coming? ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 19:58:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA055884696; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:58:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03358; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:56:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03282; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03270; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18554; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806042356.TAA18554@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 19:55:50 -0400 To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35747451.5DD2BB2F@icanect.net> Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >my GUESS is when there are sufficient machines to fill orders AND >competitive pressure, and not likely on the AMD chip Thanks Bill, I guess that means the end of the year or longer. A second questions if you have time; is there a large difference between the TFT screens and the dual-scan screens outdoors? --I do a lot of writing and some I like to do outside. For that matter is there a big performance difference that makes the P-II chip worth the cost? Thanks for your thoughts. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 20:19:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA059835945; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:19:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04409; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:17:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04317; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04296; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA01261; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:16:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18640; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:17:22 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:17:22 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199806050017.RAA18640@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: letoured@sover.net Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 16:57 MST 1998 > From: letoured@sover.net > Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 19:55:50 -0400 > To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? > X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 > Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Content-Type: text > Content-Length: 638 > > >my GUESS is when there are sufficient machines to fill orders AND > >competitive pressure, and not likely on the AMD chip > > Thanks Bill, > > I guess that means the end of the year or longer. > > A second questions if you have time; is there a large difference between > the TFT screens and the dual-scan screens outdoors? --I do a lot of > writing and some I like to do outside. For that matter is there a big > performance difference that makes the P-II chip worth the cost? > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, We use notebooks outside to collect data during cloudless days in the Southwest (Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, etc). We have not found a color display on a normally available notebook that works very well (most are basically invisible outside under bright conditions). The best notebook we have for field data collection is an ancient HP Omnibook which has a "transflective" gray scale display (it is not backlit). It works quite well as does the display on an even older HP 100LX (basically a hand held IBM PC-XT with a small CGA transflective display). We also have some older "laptops" made originally for the US military. They have transflective displays which can be backlit for night time. The also work well outside but they are heavy (metal cases) and they were VERY expensive. Now, you might find some custom "notebook" with an avionics quality color display but the power consumption and cost will make you wince! The real problem is that sunlight reflecting from the display is brighter than the transmitted backlight in cases of very bright outside scenes. Note that the document referenced recently in the thinkpad group ( http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/bae6.html ) gives both contrast and brightness of TP displays (at least it does for the 770E/ED on the page I printed). You could compare those figures for a 1st estimate. The real problem is that the reflectance of the different screens might be different (depending on the surface treatment) and that would strongly affect the reflected signal outside (normal glass reflects about 4% or so of incident light at each (uncoated) surface (air-to-glass interface). The better screens have some anti-reflection coating and the type strongly affects the reflectance (multilayer coatings are more effective but more expensive and some are easily scratched). I wouldn't plan on nice viewing outside if it is bright (like it is here in Tucson, especially this time of year). Good luck, Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 20:36:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA065217000; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:36:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05314; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:34:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05192; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05043; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (comserv-g-32.usc.edu [128.125.223.176]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA08898; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:25:49 -0700 To: "B.R. Woodward" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: lithium battery Cc: TP List In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980604080516.00a6b65c@mail.lightside.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:06 AM 6/4/98 , B.R. Woodward wrote: >This is my first Thinkpad--rather laptop--and I realize I've haven't a clue >about dealing with the life of a lithium battery. There wasn't much in the >literature either. Maybe there's a website or something. > >If anyone has an idea they would share with me about optimising its use, I >would appreciate it very much. What's to know? Charge it, use it...charge again. :-) Li-Ions are more forgiving about cycling than are NiMH's and especially NiCD's, so don't worry about deep discharging the battery--just charge whenever you need a charge and enjoy. As a matter of fact, some say the with a Li-Ion, you *shouldn't* discharge them all the way, but that's hard to do unless you're *trying* to anyway. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 21:00:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA069218453; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:00:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06425; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:58:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06312; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06294; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (comserv-g-32.usc.edu [128.125.223.176]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA12263; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806050056.RAA12263@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:47:44 -0700 To: letoured@sover.net From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? Cc: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806042356.TAA18554@pike.sover.net> References: <35747451.5DD2BB2F@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:55 PM 6/4/98 , letoured@sover.net wrote: >A second questions if you have time; is there a large difference between >the TFT screens and the dual-scan screens outdoors? Not much difference at all--both are almost entirely unreadable outdoors. :-) Actually, that's not entirely true--you can *sort of* see a TFT if you're in the shade enough. But generally...its painful. A dual-scan? Not a chance. > --I do a lot of >writing and some I like to do outside. For that matter is there a big >performance difference that makes the P-II chip worth the cost? As I mentioned in my TP 600 "Battery" post, the Ziff-Davis says on average the P-II is about 22% faster (in practice) than the same (or similar) machine with a straight Pentium MMX of the same clock speed. Whether that is worth the cost to you is another issue. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 21:10:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA070789058; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:10:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06875; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:08:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06785; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06773; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash6-195.flash.net [209.30.75.195]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28732 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:08:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <35774008.DD3655EF@flash.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:47:04 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: HTML mistake Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > >I think this is a little different, because I can't think of any way television > is productive, where a computer would be. When someone learns something, > and they're happy with it, I doubt they're willing to change quickly to something > else. There's the old saying "If it ain't broken, then don't fix it." How about the analogy of someone who doesn't want to switch from their typewriter to a computer? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 21:16:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA074579393; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:16:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07389; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07314; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07302; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from BOB (pm9-38.mry.redshift.com [207.204.197.38]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA22687 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:12:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199806050112.SAA22687@mail.redshift.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:31:59 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <3576d1b1.935270@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <3576d1b1.935270@mailhost.worldnet.att.net>, on 06/04/98 at 11:26 PM, epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) said: > But it offer the option of using text >enhancements like bold-face and italics, and copyright emblems, That's exactly the stuff I don't want to see in public places. Fancied up messages are like sex--it's great when done in private between consenting people, but it's obscene when done in public. That's the way I feel about HTML in messages posted in public forums. I'd call it WOMBAT--waste of money, brains and time. At best it is a breach of netiquette, at worst it is offensive like gaudy junk mail. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 21:18:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA074729484; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:18:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07613; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:14:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07536; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07518; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806050114.VAA07518@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Fri, 3 Jun 1988 18:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 18:14:21 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HTML mistake Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Arghhh! This thread is noise! On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:47:04 -0700, Bob Garagliano wrote: >Paul Khoury wrote: > >> >I think this is a little different, because I can't think of any way television >> is productive, where a computer would be. When someone learns something, >> and they're happy with it, I doubt they're willing to change quickly to something >> else. There's the old saying "If it ain't broken, then don't fix it." > >How about the analogy of someone who doesn't want to switch from their typewriter to a >computer? > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 21:34:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA078110477; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:34:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08759; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:30:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08630; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.245]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08615; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hercules (slip-32-100-197-167.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.197.167]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA67394; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 01:30:13 GMT Message-Id: <35773C7B.6D1B@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:31:55 -0700 From: Joe Suttle Reply-To: joesuttle@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (OS/2; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Knobbe Cc: thinkpad list Subject: Re: Megahertz XJ1366 in NT 4.0? References: <199806042040.NAA27888@gila.la.tis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The documentation is available from the 3Com web site, and essentially is a large readme file. It should provide the answers you are looking for. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Joe Suttle | Certified OS/2 Engineer | | joesuttle@ibm.net | Powered by OS/2 Warp 4, OS/2 Warp Server, | | Hercules, California | Lotus SmartSuite and Netscape for OS/2 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | We learn from history that we do not learn from history -Georg Hegel | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 21:52:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA082001530; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:52:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09967; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:48:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09874; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09858; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dante03.u.washington.edu (williams@dante03.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.5]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id SAA28124 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:48:43 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante03.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id SAA42966 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:48:42 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Various questions Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I am considering a TP 770 ED. But, I have some questions about it. Does it support 24 bit color on the LCD at full resolution (1024 x 768)? The IBM website gives conflicting information about this. Also, I would like to hook up a CD-RW and a scanner. Should this be done with SCSI or USB? Is one significantly better (cheaper or faster) Should one employ a PC Card? If so, what is needed? Or, are USB peripherals around the corner? Any suggestions for CD-RWs? Also, for scanning 35mm slides; can any flatbed scanner do justice or is a dedicated slide scanner required? Thanks, John From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 22:57:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA102105455; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:57:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13485; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:54:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13339; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13327; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10591 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:53:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Interactive Voice Over the Internet Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recall a thread some time ago on this subject and was wondering if any one could point me to a place that might archive this list is archived, if it point it is. What I'm looking for, I guess, is a program that would allow this type of communication. The target machine is a 701/DX75/40MB/1.3GB that also has an Eiger Labs 56kFlex PCMCIA modem. Comments, suggestions, horror/success experiences appreciated. Thanks! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 00:07:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA112489630; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:07:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16402; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:05:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16288; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16237; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts13.loop.net (p26.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.191]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA03591; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:58:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806050358.UAA03591@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 21:03:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Typical TP Price Drops? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:47:44 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 04:55 PM 6/4/98 , letoured@sover.net wrote: >>A second questions if you have time; is there a large difference between >>the TFT screens and the dual-scan screens outdoors? > > Not much difference at all--both are almost entirely unreadable outdoors. >:-) > > Actually, that's not entirely true--you can *sort of* see a TFT if you're >in the shade enough. But generally...its painful. A dual-scan? Not a >chance. > I actually find that a monochrome LCD is easier to view outdoors than a color one is, and even a reflective one. Maybe because it's scanned differently? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 00:24:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115030673; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:24:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17240; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17141; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.teleport.com (smtp3.teleport.com [192.108.254.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17126; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 00:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp3.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27677 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id VAA07485; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:21:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! In-Reply-To: <199806050112.SAA22687@mail.redshift.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Enough already! This discussion has already wasted far more of my time and bandwidth then the html mail ever did. Could we please go back to talking about thinkpads? Please? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 03:51:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151463071; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:51:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23026; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:49:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22908; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22895; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (240.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.240]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA13690; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 03:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357651AC.F58A9B9C@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 03:50:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Various questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yikes..!! you need to talk to Jerry Stern in NYC.. he does ALL that and more with his 770-1AU.. send me the same message through my web site http://thinkpads.com and i'll forward it to jerry.. he publishes a magazine and is heavily into all that you want to do.. J. Williams wrote: > Hi, I am considering a TP 770 ED. But, I have some questions about it. > > Does it support 24 bit color on the LCD at full resolution (1024 x 768)? > The IBM website gives conflicting information about this. > > Also, I would like to hook up a CD-RW and a scanner. Should this be done > with SCSI or USB? Is one significantly better (cheaper or faster) Should > one employ a PC Card? If so, what is needed? Or, are USB peripherals > around the corner? > > Any suggestions for CD-RWs? Also, for scanning 35mm slides; can any > flatbed scanner do justice or is a dedicated slide scanner required? > > Thanks, John -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 05:09:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA159507764; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:09:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25701; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:07:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25592; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25579; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 05:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA11203; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:11:23 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18935; Fri, 5 Jun 98 10:02:25 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:06:27 +0000 To: peter machule , Michael Fukatsu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Dock I IDE HD cable - or does ANYONE have the pinout Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 116e" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu =20 Me too=2E If we have a logic analyser here at work I could try to=20 reverse engineer the connections=2E As for the connectors I'll check =20 our catalogues and let you know if I find anything=2E =20 BTW IBM were unhelpful in supplying an external SCSI lead - they only=20 have the part number for the internal one=2E =20 - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________= _____ Subject: Re: Dock I IDE HD cable - or does ANYONE have the pinouts ? Author: MIME:Michael Fukatsu at INTE= RNET Date: 04/06/98 23:45 Peter, I'll let you know if I find anything out=2E I would like to make my= =20 own cables for the IDE, SCSI and floppy connectors, but I can't find the=20 pinouts anywhere (Let alone where I would actually get those connectors)=2E =20 =20 -Mike =20 On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, peter machule wrote: =20 > Hi Mike=2E > I'm going through the same thing myself=2E > I want to put a IDE /ATAPI CD-ROM in a Dock I =2E I have contacted IBM= =20 > (via their Forum) a > few times=2E=2E I want the pinouts=2E > So far nothing ;-{ =2E=2E=2E well actually they did respond, but were wr= ong=2E ;-{=20 > Let me know if you find anything=2E > I intend to make my own cable=2E >=20 > =2E=2Epeter=2E=2E >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Fukatsu =20 > To: thinkpad@cs=2Eutk=2Eedu > Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 6:44 PM > Subject: Dock I IDE HD cable - where to buy?=20 >=20 >=20 > >Can someone tell me where I can get an IDE cable for my Dock I? You wou= ld=20 > >think they would use a standard IDE cable but Noooooo=2E Has to be > >proprietary=2E Probably costs an arm and a leg too=2E=20 > > > >Thanks, > >-Mike > > > >-- > >mfukatsu@hertz=2Eelee=2Ecalpoly=2Eedu > >mfukatsu@cymbal=2Eaix=2Ecalpoly=2Eedu > >http://www=2Eelee=2Ecalpoly=2Eedu/~mfukatsu/=20 > > > > >=20 >=20 =20 -- mfukatsu@hertz=2Eelee=2Ecalpoly=2Eedu mfukatsu@cymbal=2Eaix=2Ecalpoly=2Eedu http://www=2Eelee=2Ecalpoly=2Eedu/~mfukatsu/ =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 Harston Cambridge =20 CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 ------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 08:04:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA177128256; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:04:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04271; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:01:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03962; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03945; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id HAA09294 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:01:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id HAA09290 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:01:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 06:58:40 -0600 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 06:58:07 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 06:56:57 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_8EDAC14F.85E492F4" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_8EDAC14F.85E492F4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Well Bob, I'm glad your not the internet dictator because you are in the clear minority. I'm surprised you use a thinkpad at all, I would think a dumb terminal would suffice for greenscreens and ASCII. > But it offer the option of using text >enhancements like bold-face and italics, and copyright emblems, >That's exactly the stuff I don't want to see in public places. Fancied >up messages are like sex--it's great when done in private between >consenting people, but it's obscene when done in public. That's the >way I feel about HTML in messages posted in public forums. I'd call it >WOMBAT--waste of money, brains and time. At best it is a breach of >netiquette, at worst it is offensive like gaudy junk mail. ------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** --=_8EDAC14F.85E492F4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (unverified [167.79.92.99]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 04 Jun 1998 20:14:13 -0600 Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id UAA01655 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:17:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id UAA01651 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:16:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07357; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07314; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.redshift.com (redshift.com [209.54.200.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07302; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BOB (pm9-38.mry.redshift.com [207.204.197.38]) by mail.redshift.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA22687 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:12:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199806050112.SAA22687@mail.redshift.com> In-Reply-To: <3576d1b1.935270@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 18:31:59 -0600 From: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline In <3576d1b1.935270@mailhost.worldnet.att.net>, on 06/04/98 at 11:26 PM, epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) said: > But it offer the option of using text >enhancements like bold-face and italics, and copyright emblems, That's exactly the stuff I don't want to see in public places. Fancied up messages are like sex--it's great when done in private between consenting people, but it's obscene when done in public. That's the way I feel about HTML in messages posted in public forums. I'd call it WOMBAT--waste of money, brains and time. At best it is a breach of netiquette, at worst it is offensive like gaudy junk mail. ------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Stephan bstephan@redshift.com or BobStephan@compuserve.com Happily using OS/2 Warp on the Central California Coast. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/BobStephan ----------------------------------------------------------- --=_8EDAC14F.85E492F4-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 08:16:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA178508971; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:16:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04970; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:12:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04742; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04730; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:12:44 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 14:12:42 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Mike Hunziker Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Please stop: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Mike Hunziker wrote: > Well Bob, I'm glad your not the internet dictator because you are in the > clear minority. I'm surprised you use a thinkpad at all, I would think > a dumb terminal would suffice for greenscreens and ASCII. Could we stop this silly discussion, please? Both sides have there point (though I favour greenscreens and ASCII ...) but it comes down the a simple point: if one thinks that showing consideration for those using `dumb terminals' is a virtue one uses a format that can be read by all of them as well. If not one might as well send winword files as an attachment. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 08:25:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA179809517; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:25:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05814; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:22:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05565; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP3@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05545; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wgh(24.128.124.52) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 05 Jun 98 08:21:47 EDT From: "Walt" To: Subject: RE: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:22:36 -0400 Message-Id: <000501bd907c$9f8cef40$347c8018@wgh.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't think the minority is as clear as you claim, Mike. I generally agree with Bob, though I may not feel quite as strongly. I received your clear text mail plus a 2KB attachment (a second copy of the original text). Was all that surplus necessary? Did it add to my experience? I don't think so. obthinkpad: using a 365XD, 40MB, cable modem (whee). Walt > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Hunziker [mailto:MCHunziker@us.fortis.com] > Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 8:57 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply > > > Well Bob, I'm glad your not the internet dictator because you are in the > clear minority. I'm surprised you use a thinkpad at all, I would think > a dumb terminal would suffice for greenscreens and ASCII. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 08:37:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA181500245; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:37:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06565; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:34:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06296; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06284; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA18932; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:34:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.199.18]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA18926; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 07:34:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605082706.00a78510@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:27:06 -0400 To: Mike Hunziker , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Ooops...HTML mistake! -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:56 AM 6/5/98 -0600, Mike Hunziker wrote: >Well Bob, I'm glad your not the internet dictator because you are in the >clear minority. I'm surprised you use a thinkpad at all, I would think >a dumb terminal would suffice for greenscreens and ASCII. > I think that the tone of this message is not appropriate for this list, and as a long-time participant, I object to it. This list has long been a forum for users to exchange information about ThinkPads in a generally civil manner. Please take it to comp.sys.laptops if you must continue. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 09:06:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185241988; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:06:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07726; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:01:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07441; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.Opt-Sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07424; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA11053; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:00:59 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA19179; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:01:35 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 06:01:35 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199806051301.GAA19179@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: williams@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Various questions Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 4 18:50 MST 1998 > Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 18:48:42 -0700 (PDT) > X-UIDL: 897023193.016 > From: "J. Williams" > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Various questions > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > Hi, I am considering a TP 770 ED. But, I have some questions about it. > > Does it support 24 bit color on the LCD at full resolution (1024 x 768)? > The IBM website gives conflicting information about this. The .pdf doc. available from ibm ( http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/bae6.html ) has a 770E/ED part (last page). It indicates that the internal screen will do 24-bit and it states that 24-bit can be done on external monitors at up to 1024x768 (64K at 1280x1024). That doc does not give refresh rates for the lower res but does give 85 Hz at 1280x1024. 4 MB of video RAM should allow 24-bit at at least 1024x768 - some machines would use the rest for an 8-bit overlay plane, etc (at least some 24-bit Sun X displays have 24-bit of RBG RAM, 8-bit overlay, and some bit depth Z buffer and, in some cases, several copies of each of the above for fast animation/redraw.) (I was interested in this as I have a 770E on order.) > > Also, I would like to hook up a CD-RW and a scanner. Should this be done > with SCSI or USB? Is one significantly better (cheaper or faster) Should > one employ a PC Card? If so, what is needed? Or, are USB peripherals > around the corner? We have used SCSI as built into docking stations for CD and scanners with notebooks. I have no experience with USB. You could also use a PCMCIA SCSI (I have used PCMCIA with a CD-ROM and tape but not scanner or CD-RW). The SelectaDock 2 and 3 have Adaptec SCSI adapters included (the 1 may also but I'm not sure). If you go with PCMCIA SCSI, make sure the device you buy supports what you want. For example, Adaptec makes both a CardBus and a normal PCMCIA SCSI adapter - CardBus so far has only support in Win95 (not NT) for example - at least that was true a few months ago. Some lesser PCMCIA SCSI cards will support HD and CD but not scanners, etc. > > Any suggestions for CD-RWs? Also, for scanning 35mm slides; can any > flatbed scanner do justice or is a dedicated slide scanner required? Probably depends on the optical resolution of the scanner and what you want for quality of the scanned image - some good film can resolve 100 line pairs per mm so you would want more than 200 dot resolution per mm or more than 5000 dpi optical resolution for nominally reproducing the film image. I'm not referring to interpolated resolution but what the device inherently has for resolution. I doubt that many flatbed scanners have 5000 dpi but I haven't looked. > > Thanks, John > > Good luck, Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 09:12:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA185672356; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:12:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08431; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:09:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08129; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08116; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.6/BZS-8-1.0) id JAA09249; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by world.std.com (TheWorld/Spike-2.0) id AA25057; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:09:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:09:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Rod Owen To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: why subscribe to this list? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been reading this list for a couple months now and have saved a couple messages, but other than that must not understand the point of all these squabbles about html, nor the semi-porn reviews of 770's, etc., about how much different thinkpads weigh "in their skivvies," on and on. Could someone retrieve and post a statement about what kinds of email are to be expected on this list? And please send me a copy separately, as it's time to unsubscribe. Thank you. - Rod From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 09:28:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA188463299; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:28:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10278; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:26:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10101; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10079; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA26491; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:25:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl ([168.183.199.18]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA26474; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:25:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980605091831.00ac4900@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:18:31 -0400 To: Rod Owen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: why subscribe to this list? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:09 AM 6/5/98 -0400, Rod Owen wrote: > >I've been reading this list for a couple months now and have saved a >couple messages, but other than that must not understand the point of all >these squabbles about html, nor the semi-porn reviews of 770's, etc., >about how much different thinkpads weigh "in their skivvies," on and on. > >Could someone retrieve and post a statement about what kinds of email are >to be expected on this list? > >And please send me a copy separately, as it's time to unsubscribe. > As requested: >ON Tue, 05 May 1998 22:13:55 -0100, Alexaner Wagner wrote: > >Ok, here's the note on gets after subscription. One may notice that under >Important (after note) in point 2. (un-)subscription is mentioned. I think >one should place it exactly after the wellcome, so one finds it. Do you know >who maintains the list? > >------------------------------------- > >Welcome to the ThinkPad mailing list! > >This list is for general discussion among IBM ThinkPad owners and users. > >This list is also available in a digest format, where you get one (large) >email message per day. If you want the digest format, send mail to >thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu and say so. > >(If you have a ThinkPad 500, you might want to subscribe to the ibm-tp500 >list in addition to, or instead of, this list. To do this, send mail to >Majordomo@andrsn.stanford.edu >with the line >subscribe ibm-tp500 your-email-address >in the message body.) > > >>> NOTE <<< > >In general, advertising of commercial products or services is prohibited on >this list. However, list members may post brief, one-time announcements of >new products, as long as those products are specifically related to >ThinkPad computers, and the announcement is free of hype. > > > >>> IMPORTANT <<< > >1. To send something to the list, mail it to THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU > >2. To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to change your >address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. (If you sent your >subscribe message to the whole list, that's okay, but please use the >-REQUEST address next time!) > >3. When sending a message to the list about a particular kind of thinkpad, >put the model of that thinkpad in the Subject field. Example: > > Subject: [TP750] audio support for Linux? > >4. When replying to a message, look at the Subject field. If the >discussion topic has strayed so that the Subject field is no longer >appropriate, choose a new Subject. > > > >ThinkPad is almost certainly a trademark of IBM. > >The FAQ for this group is available for anonymous ftp from >swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu, directory pub/archive/thinkpad/faq >(URL: ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/faq/ ) >Thanks to Sean Chou for maintaining the FAQ. > >There's also an archive of the past traffic on the list in >ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/archive/thinkpad/archive > >Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, >how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), >and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST >address -- if you reply to this message, it goes to the wrong place!) > > > > > > >-- > >CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 #294 >Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken >Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 11:52:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA217411967; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:52:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17598; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:43:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17300; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04988; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (comserv-g-32.usc.edu [128.125.223.176]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA08816; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:22:48 -0700 To: "Cottrell, Eric" From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Typical TP Price Drops? Cc: "'letoured@sover.net'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What is it (the CPU, that is)? At 08:45 AM 6/4/98 , Cottrell, Eric wrote: >My Thinkpad 365ED has a non-Intel processor and it is not a PowerPC. > >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > >> To my knowledge, other than some specialty TP's that use a PowerPC >>CPU, >>there's never been anything other than Intel x86's in them. >> >> > ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 11:53:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA217461986; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:53:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17602; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:44:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17359; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05051; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (comserv-g-32.usc.edu [128.125.223.176]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA08764; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 17:01:37 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600--Battery Times (Review, Part III) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, today I had some time to see how long the battery lasts. WHIP ME, BEAT ME...MAKE ME WRITE BAD CHECKS! My own little "Battery Torture Test" yielded the expected result--somewhat less than what IBM claims (the claim is 3 hours). However, it should be understood that I was *really* working this thing. I gave it no rest whatsoever and operated the CD drive an *awful* lot. Here's how it played out: For the first hour, I did nothing particularly odd--just a little editing and transferring a bunch of files via LapLink over an Ethernet (3Com PC card) connection. After about 1 hour of that, I started installing software--a *lot* of software--via the CD drive. Just to give you an idea of how *much* software, here's the list: - Palm III Desktop Software - Norton Utilities 3.0 - Norton Crashguard Deluxe 3.0 - Winfax 8.0 - Norton Internet Fast Find - Adobe Type Manager Deluxe (4.0) - Extensis Phototools 1.1 - Extensis Intellihance 3.0 - Adobe Acrobat 3.0 (full version, not just the free "Reader") - Quickview Plus 4.5 (2 times--had to re-install because I forgot to install Acrobat first so it could integrate with it) - I put in the Norton Antivirus CD, but the battery was getting low, so I did not install it. I *did*, however, view a video from the CD, which took about 2 or 3 minutes of non-stop CD spinning and use of the speakers. After that, the battery gauge showed 5% remaining, so I didn't install NAV because I didn't want it to collapse in the middle of the installation. A few salient points: My battery settings are "Custom", which fairly closely approximates a middle ground between "High Performance" and being a complete miser. However, I don't think that matters really, because the system was being *actively* used non-stop for the entire time. I was always either typing, transferring a file, or actively using the CD drive to install the software. Given those circumstances, battery life settings are pretty much irrelevant. Oh yes, one more point: Screen brightness was all the way up (using the slider bar below the screen), but the ThinkPad configuration setting was set to lower the brightness somewhat when on battery power as opposed to A/C. Also: My machine is the P-II 233 MHz, so I don't know if the other CPU flavors of TP 600 would be significantly different. I also have a 64 MB RAM module installed, bringing total system memory to 96 MB. Of course, the extra memory adds some level of additional power draw (I don't know how much), though in actual usage, it probably saves more juice than it draws by reducing the need for disk access to virtual memory. Total life? 2:17. The battery alarm went off at 2:15 and then at 2:17 it automatically went into suspend mode. The last 7 minutes were spent simply sitting in place while turned on and my hitting the shift key every couple of minutes to insure that the screen wouldn't blank (so I could prevent it from saving any juice on that front). So also in my little test, the screen never turned off. That makes for 1 hour of "normal" use, 1:10 of *active* CD usage (I'd say it was actually *spinning* for about half of that time), and another 7 minutes of sitting still with the screen on. I'm fairly impressed. My 560 would do only slightly better and it *doesn't* have a CD drive to run (Though I understand that the newer 560X's have a longer battery life than the originals. How much longer is it, by the way?). For that first hour, the battery gauge did a good job of measuring things. Each time I checked, particularly at 75% left and at 65% left, calculations showed it was precisely on track for a 3 hour battery life. It was only after I started using the CD that it took a dive downward. JUICE ME UP So how long does it take to fully recharge? IBM claims 1 1/2 hours if the machine is off, 2 hours if you're using it. In my experience, just using the machine while I had the A/C plugged into it again, it took 2:20 to charge it. A little bit disappointing, but it should be remembered that I had that battery *literally* on empty. One nice thing about IBM's battery gauge software: It not only shows a percentage of charge for the battery, it also shows an approximate time (while charging) it will take to arrive at a full charge. For whatever its worth, its nice to be able to look at the battery gauge monitor and know that you have about 1:20 left to charge the battery. If you don't have that kind of time before you have to go and you need a full charge, you can make a mental calculation about whether its worthwhil to shut down / suspend the machine so it can charge a bit faster (about 25% faster). So if its got 1:20 to go and I know I have to leave in 1 hour with a fully-charged battery, I know I can do that if I'm willing to stop using the machine and let it charge for an hour while suspended. It appeared to be quite accurate too, given the 2:20 total it took to charge to 100%, the guage was correct in how much time was left to charge. Its little things like that that were *never* present or included with the NEC Versa. They rely entirely on the built-in Windows stuff without any custom-designed software for the specific machine. One size fits all (as long as everyone is the same size!). BATTERY MARK TAKES A STAB For what its worth, ZD labs has their own "BatteryMark" test they run to determine battery life. I don't recall exactly what the published result was for the TP 600 (in PC/Computing about 2 months ago in a review of P-II notebooks, in which the 600 was considered the hands-down favorite), but I *think* it exceeded 3 hours. Unfortunately, I gave the magazine away so I can't look it up now. Sooo...rather than go download the 15 MB BatteryMark test myself, I went and looked it up on-line. Ziff-Davis reports a battery mark of 3:12 for the 600 (and that's on the P-II 266 MHz version). If you want to know more about the BatteryMark benchmark (methodology, etc.), you can read more about it at http://www.zdbob.com . Its *really* nice to have IBM bring in good (actually, *very* good) battery life on a performer of this caliber and be *honest* about the figures. When I bought the TP 750C about 4 years ago, one of the biggest reasons I did so was the fact that it had a claimed battery life of 3.5 to 8 hours. Now I never expected 8 hours, but I expected at *least* the 3.5. It never came close--it was lucky to pull off 2 1/2 hours. It was *very* angering and I almost sent the machine back. I made numerous calls to IBM about it, and finally they relented and sent me another battery without asking for the original one back. It fared no better, but at least I got a spare battery out of the deal. I later found out (partly from this list) that they *knew* darn well that it didn't do 3 1/2 hours, and sending me a second battery without asking for the first one back was their way of placating me. Sure I'd like a second battery, but I'd be happier with a single battery that performs as promised. The 600's battery appears to do this. Underpromise and overdeliver--Kudos to IBM. At 3:12, its one of the longest-lasting notebooks out there--particularly among P-II's (though the 770 adds another 25 minutes to that). I don't have the BatteryMark score for the NEC Versa 5080X I had, but I can tell you that in my typical use, it barely made it to 2 1/2 hours before it gave up the ghost. Usually it was around 2:20. If I used a PC Card modem in it, about 2:00 even--and that was with a 233 MMX chip, not a P-II. Pretty poor, in my estimation. ZD estimates that on average, P-II chips deliver about 20% better performance than their plainer Pentium MMX cousins, while notebooks with a P-II chip get about 15 minutes less battery life. There's a small tradeoff (though with the 600, I'm hard-pressed to see it), but one that I doubt matters much. If you lost an hour...perhaps 1/2 and hour, that would be a big deal. But 15 minutes less than 3 hours would represent about an 8% to 9% loss of life in the battery--more if you're running a non-ThinkPad with even worse life. ;-) 20% gain for 9% cost in battery. Worth it? Well, the price is a factor too. Then again there are some that will pay that difference in price just because its the coolest thing to get. After all, when one buys a sports car, mileage isn't the point. "NORMAL" USE The BatteryMark test is probably the best figure for this, particularly since it is the closest thing to an actual standard by which to measure objectively. It claims to measure battery life "while performing operations typical of mainstream business applications under 'real-world' usage conditions." That's about as good a definition as any. What's "Normal Use"? Frankly, nobody could define that for everyone else. For me, it means active use, but without any extraneous power draws--no CD, no PC Cards, and no Modem usage. But it does *not* include letting it sit with the screen turned off--that would defeat my criteria of "active use". "Active use means mainly just editing a document or spreadsheet and that kind of thing. That's "Normal" for me (though in truth I actually use the modem a lot for internet access), as I don't think anyone actually considers it "use" when they leave their computer for 10 minutes to do something and it shuts things down to save power. Those are wonderful features, but I'm more interested in how long I can go on a battery charge when I'm actually *using* the machine. So the way I tested this was to do my E-mail (and some other misc. tasks). I downloaded an E-mail packet while on A/C, then disconnected both phone line and A/C, started my stopwatch, and went to it. Just reading, reponding, etc. Also did a little work on a spreadsheet and also some other writing in Word. I think these are "normal" tasks for most folks--certainly for me. Again, as in my personal "Torture Test", I have the backlight on all the way, except for the system setting that drops it just a bit when on Battery instead of A/C. I'm also using it enough that hard disk spin-down is uncommon. Time? 2:45--almost on the nose exactly. I should note that this "normal use" was probably more torturous than it should have been. There was some significant time that I couldn't be near the machine and yet I didn't want it to suspend or power anything down (like the screen), so I set the power settings to never power anything down--so the HD spun constantly, etc. Also, I was screwing around looking at various directories and deleted something I shouldn't have. Fortunately, I had installed Norton Utils and was able to unerase it, but there was a significant number of crashes and system restarts in the process. I presume that takes extra juice... At any rate, if those things shaved 15 minutes off the 3 hours it might otherwise would have achieved, I wouldn't be too surprised. To conclude this 3-part series, I can only say...a BIG thumbs-up! 5 stars out of 5. Unless you need hardware DVD (which you could presumably add with a Zoomed video card) or an S-video out port or something, I can't imagine why anyone would buy a 770 over a 600. For that matter, I can't imagine anyone buying another notebook unless price is the issue (which it all too often is), or if they just *have* to have it *really* light and *every* ounce counts (in which case maybe you should consider getting a Palmtop or Libretto or something). But for my money (and it has been *my* money, since the moment that 560 met an untimely death on the kitchen floo... ;-), I think the 600 manages an *excellent* balancing act in bringing you a machine with an *almost* waifish form-factor without the slightest skimp in feature set. ...and there you have it! Hope this has been informative and useful. Signing off... ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 11:54:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA217712053; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:54:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17589; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:43:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17276; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from znet.com (sdts10-33.znet.net [207.167.66.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17252; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jmarnold@localhost) by znet.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA19886; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:41:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 08:41:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199806051541.IAA19886@znet.com> From: "Jeffrey M. Arnold" To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Straight ASCII) In-Reply-To: References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle writes: > Anyone want to hazard a guess about what I just signed for today? > > Yep. The Airborne delivery guy mentioned, "Seems like Christmas is every > few days with you!" About the same time Randall sent this another Airborne Express driver appeared on my doorstep with my PII-266 TP 600. (Sorry, Randall, you should have held out for the 266. When I called to change my order to the 233, they told me it had already shipped, and indeed, an hour later my doorbell rang). I have to say I agree with Randall's reviews, so I won't bore the list with more glowing reports. For me, the TP600 is an upgrade from my beloved 701C, which ran Linux (and later NT on a separate disk) for the past 3 years. My first step was therefore to properly dispose of Win95, repartition the disk, and bring up NT (I haven't had time to do Linux yet, but I've set aside a 1GB partition for it). NT was relatively painless with the driver package from the IBM web page. It turns out there was one required file not included in the zip package ("utility disk for DOS personalization", or some such name), but that was easily found. One complaint: I was visiting a client yesterday and needed to move some files from his machine to mine. He had an HP CD-R drive, so we tried to move the files via CD, but the TP600 drive was unable to read the CDs. We tried three different types of media (gold, green, and blue recording surfaces), none were readable by my 600, but all were readable on a colleague's Compaq laptop, as well as other desk top machines. We had to resort to "warm swapping" my floppy drive (see Randall's review, part II) and multiple floppies. -jeff From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 11:57:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA218082271; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:57:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17669; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:44:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17437; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05060; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 20:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (comserv-g-32.usc.edu [128.125.223.176]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id RAA08955; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:29:10 -0700 To: Mike Hunziker From: Randal Whittle Subject: Bollocks? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:55 AM 6/4/98 , Mike Hunziker wrote: >>Whatever that means...clue me in... > >I think it means to heck with you....but I could be wrong. The term is British slang...well, more like a British cuss word. To them, its quite a bad thing, but to me...I just think it sounds funny. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 13:54:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA236129274; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:54:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25435; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:50:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25298; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25275; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA28288 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:41:49 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD9088.7A46BC50@ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:47:27 -0400 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: FW: LaptopNews - June 1998 Issue. Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:47:24 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 1122 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You may be interested in subscribing? Ciao,Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI Company :^(+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182:^( :^} ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com :^} *:)50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada*:) ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: Alexandru Botezatu[SMTP:alex@laptopnews.com] >Sent: 1998 June 04 - Thursday 06:43 >To: newsletter@laptopnews.com >Subject: LaptopNews - June 1998 Issue. > >Laptop News: May/June issue >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >We have three bits of important news this month: > >1. 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If you would like for us to >contact you when we have the details, please mailto:patrick@laptopnews.com > >Enjoy this month's news! > >Your Editors, > >Blake Stephenson, >Victor Stratan, >Alexandru Botezatu, mailto:alex@laptopnews.com >Patrick Cooper. > > > >T_A_B_L_E O_F C_O_N_T_E_N_T_S >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > >- Great deals on refurbished notebooks > >- News > + General News > > * Prices > > + New Systems (New Notebooks Reviewed) > > * High-End Notebooks ($2,700+) > * Budget Notebooks > > + New Peripherals > > * Mobile Projectors > * Storage > * Communications > * Accessories > > + New Software > > + Emerging Technology > >- Buyer's Guides and Reviews: Some resources to help >you choose the right notebook for your needs and budget > >- Comments, Subscribe, Change Address, Unsubscribe > > >_[Great deals on refurbished notebooks]_________________________ > > > >Toshiba 420CDS Pentium 120 40MB RAM 800MB Hard Drive 6X CD-ROM >11.3" Dual Scan Color Display Windows 95 $950 (five left) > >Toshiba 430CDT Pentium 120 32MB RAM 1.3GB Hard Drive 10X CD-ROM >11.3" Active Matrix Color Display Windows 95 $1100 (two left) > >Toshiba 500CDT Pentium 120 32MB RAM 1.3GB Hard Drive 6X CD-ROM 28.8 Modem >12.1" Active Matrix Color Display Windows 95 $1150 (one left) > >Toshiba 500CS Pentium 120 32MB RAM 1.2GB Hard Drive 28.8 modem >12.1" Dual Scan Color Display Windows 95 $995 (two left) > >IBM ThinkPads 750CS 486/33 8MB RAM 340MB Hard Drive > $425 (two left) > >IBM ThinkPads 755C 486/75 20MB RAM, 540MB Hard Drive > $495 (one left) > >IBM ThinkPads 755CSE 486/100 32MB RAM 540MB Hard Drive > $545 (two left) > >Compaq LTE Elite 4/75CX 486/75 32MB RAM 1.44GB Hard Drive >Active Matrix $725 (one left) > >Toshiba 1960CT 486/DX2/50 12MB RAM 340MB Hard Drive Active >Matrix $495 (two left) > > >>>> To order/more details: mailto:sales@notebookmall.com <<< > > > >_[Prices]_______________________________________________________ > >Gateway trims notebook prices, May 26, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22436,00.html >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0525/26mgway.html > > >Cheaper, faster notebooks on way, May 22, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22417,00.html > > >Gateway portables mark price drops, May 20, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22314,00.html > > >Toshiba chops Libretto to $699, May 19, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22298,00.html > > >Notebook Price Trends -- Next Three Months Considered >May 25, 1998 >A large percentage of resellers are expecting faster notebook price >declines over the next three months. Forty-three percent of resellers >surveyed in April expected notebook prices to decline more rapidly in the >next three months. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRN19980525S0039 > >How low can hardware prices go? >May 01, 1998 >As vendors like Micron play catch-up in the market for low-cost PCs, >computer prices continue to plummet. >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0028 > > >Gateway joins notebook price cuts, April 29, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,21629,00.html > > >Notebook prices fall with chip cuts, April 28, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,21595,00.html > > >Gateway, Dell move quickly to lower notebook prices >05-01-98 >Officials at Gateway, in North Sioux City, S.D., said the company will cut >as much as $200 off its Solo notebooks, while Dell, of Round Rock, Texas, >will take $100 off the price. > > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0427/30mnotes.html > > >Intel Cuts Prices On Mobile CPUs By Up To 42% >05-01-98 >Dramatic price cuts of as much as 42 percent on Intel Corp. mobile >processors may help take a big bite out of notebook system prices in the >near future. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwk/1518/312698.html > > >HP shaves Omnibook notebook prices >04-16-98 >Stacey Wueste, HP's marketing manager for Omnibooks, explaining the cuts. >The price of an Omnibook 5700, configured with an Intel Corp. 166MHz >Pentium processor with MMX Technology, > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0413/16ehp.html > > > >_[New Systems]__________________________________________________ > > ><> High-End Systems <> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Digital HiNote VP745 >05-29-98 >The Digital HiNote VP745 is designed to interest corporate chieftains and >buyers. It comes with enough features to be a serious desktop replacement, >but is light enough for traveling. However, the HiNote's estimated price of >$3,299 is also a lure for individual buyers looking for a good deal. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/reviews/cshp/1807/318187.htm > > >ThinkPad 600 >05-29-98 >Although lightweight, the ThinkPad 600, at $4,599 (as configured), is >expensive and doesn't pack the processing punch of its 266-MHz Pentium II >brethren. We tested a beta unit under Windows 95. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/reviews/wins/0607/319722.htm > > >Vivante SE Packs 266MHz Pentium II >June 01, 1998 >Small-business users looking for an inexpensive notebook with >state-of-the-art peripherals like 2X DVD-ROM and LS-120 drives might want >to check out the Transmonde Vivante SE. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0081 > > >Comfy Keyboard Gives This Notebook Latitude >June 01, 1998 >Dell's Latitude CPi D266XT notebook is a real charmer. For starters, it's >light, with a carrying weight of only 6.3 pounds. Its crisp 13.3-inch XGA >active-matrix display serves up brilliant colors. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0080 > > >Versatile Armada Misses the Boat >June 01, 1998 >Trying to be all things to all people can be a mistake, as is evident with >the Compaq Armada 4220T. Although it comes surprisingly close to meeting a >wide range of corporate notebook users' potential needs, the system becomes >too expensive. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0079 > > >Acer's Extensa Extends Battery Life >June 01, 1998 >Acer's new Extensa 710TE, which uses Intel's mobile 233MHz Pentium II >processor, offers great basic features and an outstanding battery life of >3.05 hours. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0073 > > >OmniBook Will Score with MIS >June 01, 1998 >If you're shopping for a corporate notebook, you may want to consider the >HP OmniBook 4100. The 4105 model of this 266MHz Pentium II portable has a >brilliant 14.1-inch active-matrix color screen and comes standard with a >6.4GB HDD. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0071 > > >ThinkPad 770E Defines Desktop Replacement >June 01, 1998 >IBM's new ThinkPad 770E gives true meaning to the term "desktop >replacement." It's the ideal notebook for on-the-go executives who want one >machine for the office, the home and infrequent travels. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0066 > > >IBM Intros P-II ThinkPads >May 25, 1998 >IBM introduced its first mobile P-II notebooks last month, including the >ThinkPad 380XD and 385XD series for home users. All of the units are >Pentium II-powered and carry ESPs from $2,799 to $3,899. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRW19980525S0034 > > >Smart Shopper >05-26-98 >Who other to make this dream come true than Toshiba, the number one >notebook manufacturer. First, consider the new Satellite Pro 490XCDT with a >266MHz Pentium II, 32MB RAM and a 4GB HDD. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/smartshopper/dailydeals/deal0527.html > > >IBM Masters Multimedia >05-21-98 >The old saying No one gets fired for buying IBM has been both a boon and a >curse to Big Blue. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/wins/0606/310610.html > > >Dell Inspiron 3200 >05-20-98 >Pentium II processor, 64MB RAM, 4GB HD, DVD drive, DVD-Video decoder, >13.3-inch active matrix TFT screen. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cda/index/0,2073,2105519-2102633,00.html > > >Apple demos 400-MHz notebook, >May 12, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22048,00.html > > >Dell Latitude CP M233ST >05-13-98 >Mobile Pentium Processor, 64MB Ram, 12.1-inch Active Matrix TFT, 3.2GB Hard >Drive, Review: Some notebooks would quit the first time you dropped it, >left it in the trunk on a hot summer. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cda/index/0,2073,2103084-2102633,00.html > > > >HP Sojourn Is Thin and Pricey -- >05-13-98 >You can never be too rich or too thin, especially when it comes to >Hewlett-Packard's new Sojourn notebook. This sleek new portable will be the >talk of first class. > > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cda/index/0,2073,2103450-2102635,00.html > > > >Fast Notebook Costs a Lot >05-11-98 >Packard steps up to the performance plate with the OmniBook 7100, a mobile >266-MHz Pentium II-based screamer. The OmniBook 7100, in fact, boasts the >title of benchmark performance leader. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/wins/0606/310609.html > > >Gateway weighs in with good performer >05-11-98 >System performance and battery life exceeded that of the average notebook >based on Intel Corp.'s 266MHz Pentium II reviewed by PC Week Labs (see >benchmark chart below). > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/reviews/0511/11gate.html > > >This Digital Doesn't Quite Hit the HiNote >May 01, 1998 >The Digital HiNote VP 745 corporate notebook offers a fast 266MHz Pentium >processor and good video throughput performance. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980501S0076 > > >Notebooks >May 01, 1998 >The Toshiba Satellite Pro 470CDT, a 6.9-pound notebook, has a 200MHz >Pentium processor with MMX technology, a 2GB hard drive, 32MB RAM >(expandable to 160MB) and a 33.6Kb-per-second fax modem. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980501S0041 > > >WinBook XL P266MMX >May 01, 1998 >The WinBook XL P266MMX is an example of a good design gone bad. It >simultaneously houses a floppy drive, battery and 20X CD-ROM drive, yet >keeps its weight to 8.4 pounds, and manages to sustain a 2-hour, 15-minute >battery life-which accounts for its top portability grade in this roundup >(4 stars). > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0043 > > >NEC Versa 6260 >May 01, 1998 >In short: The hot-swappable VersaBay II adds flexibility to a good-if >expensive-performer. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0042 > > >Compaq Armada 4220T >May 01, 1998 >The Compaq Armada 4220T has its place as a businessperson's companion. >Disconnected from its Mobile CD Unit (a $383 option to tack onto the $4,382 >base price), which contains a noisy CD-ROM drive, the notebook is 1.5 >inches high and weighs just 7.1 pounds, storing its main battery in a >convenient carry-along handle. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0040 > > >Gateway Solo 5100XL >May 01, 1998 >The Gateway Solo 5100XL is slender, has an unusually generous screen, and >boasts a well-rounded set of features. We size it up as a great bargain, >even if its $3,899 price makes it one of the more expensive notebooks in >this review. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0038 > > >Two Different Notebooks for Two Different Jobs >May 01, 1998 >There are two approaches to notebook design these days. One emphasizes >light carrying weight to the exclusion of other concerns, and is intended >for traveling sales staff and other road warriors. The other, the desktop >replacement approach, > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980501S0075 > > >Benchmark Test Viewer >4-02-98 >The performance leader here was the Compaq Armada 7800. It brings a >never-before-seen feature to the notebook space: AGP graphics, powered by >S3's ViRGE/MX accelerator. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/pcmf/0402/303945.html > > >Dell Inspiron 3200 D266XT, Dell Latitude CPi D266XT -- >4-02-98 >Whether you're buying for yourself, a small business, or a large >corporation, Dell Computer Corp. has a Pentium II notebook for you. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/pcmf/0402/303941.html > > >High-Performance Notebooks >4-01-98 >Pentium OmniBook 3000, offers the mobile executive a good traveling >companion. It has a large, 13.3-inch,TFT screen, 32MB of SDRAM, and 4GB of >hard disk space, among other useful features. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/wins/0604/288273.html > > >IBM Puts a 233MHz Mobile CPU in Its Lightweight 560X -- >05-01-98 >The more willing you are to take your notebook with you, the more essential >a business tool it becomes. That's why IBM's ThinkPad 560 notebooks appeals >to so many road warriors. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1804/289910.html > > >The Voyager Takes Unicent Into Uncharted Notebook Territory -- >05-01-98 >Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's notebook; then the specifications of >Unicent Technologies' entry into the portable-computer market would send >your coworkers to confession. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1805/297257.html > > >Gateway Wins Pentium II War / May 1998 >04-11-98 >Pentium II are the ones to beat. And among the first round of combatants to >use the 266-MHz version of the chip, Gateway 2000's Solo 9100 LS has taken >the hill and its opponent's flag. > >http://www.zdnet.com/wsources/content/0598/hw_solo.html > > >A-List: Portable Systems -- >04-08-98 >Put it in your briefcase and it disappears. HP's Sojourn is the trimmest >notebook you can buy (page 95). Too bad it also costs almost seven grand. > >http://www.zdnet.com/pccomp/alist/hardware/portablesystems.html > > > ><> Budget Systems <> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Cheaper notebooks ahead (Acer) >05-27-98 >The notebooks are aimed at mobile professionals, at small to medium-size >businesses, and at government and education. They will incorporate a floppy >drive and a modular drive bay. The Extensa 700 series, starting at $1,999, >stakes out a new price point for notebooks based on Intel Corp.'s Pentium >II processor. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwo/0527/319233.html > > >Short Take: Panasonic ruggedized notebooks under $2,000 >May 27, 1998 > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22488,00.html > > >Sony sneak peek >05-19-98 >If Toshiba doesn't react fast to Sony's new 2.9-pound notebook computer, >they'd better get new marketing people. >The lightweight notebook--which actually has a usable keyboard--is less >than an inch thick and has a 200-MHz Pentium MMX chip, 32MB of RAM, a >10.4-inch TFT screen, a 2.1GB hard disk, a built-in 56K modem, and one PC >Card slot. It comes with an attachable floppy disk drive and a port >replicator, all for $1,999. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcmo/0519/317276.html > > >Short Take: Acer introduces low-cost notebooks >May 12, 1998 >Acer introduced two well-stocked, low-cost notebook PCs based on the >older-generation Pentium MMX processor. The Extensa 367T comes with a >200-MHz chip, 32MB of memory, a 2.1GB hard drive, a CD-ROM, a 56-kbps >modem, and a 12.1-inch active-matrix screen for $1,699. > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,22031,00.html > > >Sony notebook down to 3 pounds, May 11, 1998 >Next week, Sony Electronics will introduce a three-pound >notebook at an aggressive price point, a combination which could >hit the sweet spot for subnotebooks. > >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,21987,00.html > > >Dell Inspiron 3000 M266XT, Quantex H-1331 266 >May 01, 1998 >At $2,599 and $3,149, respectively, the Dell Inspiron 3000 M266XT and >Quantex H-1331 266 are the two lowest-priced 266-MHz Pentium MMX notebooks >we tested. Does that mean they're the best buys? > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0041 > > >Acer ready to roll with two new notebooks -- >05-11-98 >Extensa notebook PCs that are aimed at small businesses and sales forces. >The new Extensas, priced starting at $1,499, are part of Acer's new Extensa >365 series. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwo/0511/315266.html > > > >PC Magazine: First Looks Online -- Toshiba Satellite 305CDS >04-11-98 >The first major value portable may set a standard for future models. >Following the marketwide success of sub-$1,000 desktop PCs, Toshiba America >Information > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9804/f980410a.htm >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/pcmf/0410/306066.html > > >Powered by the AMD-K6, The XL Offers Excellent Value -- >04-20-98 >Contrary to popular belief, a good notebook computer does not have to come >from a big-name manufacturer or sport an "Intel Inside" logo. If you are >willing to entertain these > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1805/297843.html > > > >_[New Peripherals]______________________________________________ > > > **Mobile Projectors** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >All-In-One Presentations -- Compaq, InFocus, and Iomega team on >lightweight PC-projector-storage bundle >May 25, 1998 >Traveling sales executives and consultants who regularly make presentations >will soon have a highly portable solution for taking their shows to clients. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK19980525S0059 > > > **Storage** > ~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Storage Subsystems -- Drive sized at 9.5 mm -- Thin CD-ROM >arrives >May 18, 1998 >Tokyo - Kyushu Matsushita Electric Co. Ltd., a storage-media manufacturer >under the Matsushita umbrella, will sample a 9.5-mm-thick CD-ROM drive this >week. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?EET19980518S0097 > > >Addonics Pocket ZIP >05-29-98 >No, it can't quite fit into your back pocket, but the tiny 13-ounce >Addonics Pocket ZIP drive is a convenient device for downloading and >transporting large Internet files--particularly for laptop owners. Like an >Iomega Zip drive, the Pocket ZIP handles 100 MB Zip data cartridges. Unlike >your standard Zip drive, however, the Pocket ZIP has the capacity to run >off of a laptop battery. So now you can have powerful storage capability >without having to plug into an outlet. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/reviews/ylif/0407/319183.htm > > >Clik! 40Mb Disks >05-29-98 >You can hold your whole world in the palm of your hands with clik!. Store >all of your e-mail and then some on this tiny 40 MB disk. Iomega has >designed the product to work with various personal digital assistants, >digital cameras, cell phones, handheld computers, printers, and desktop and >notebook computers. The storage craze is taking off, and so might clik! if >the hardware becomes readily accessible. It's a cute product, but it's not >a storage substitute for your 1 GB and 2 GB Zip disks. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/reviews/ylif/0407/319184.htm > > >EXP Computer >May 18, 1998 >The Traveler series is available in 2.1-Gbyte, 3.2-Gbyte and 5.1-Gbyte >variations and is compatible with DOS, OS/2 and all versions of Windows. >The Traveler series is an excellent solution for resellers with clients >either running out of space on existing notebook hard drives or looking for >alternatives for storage. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRN19980518S0094 > > >DVD Calls Out To Mobile Users >May 18, 1998 >While desktop PC users' need for removable storage can be indisputable, >mobile computer users may have an even more pressing need for convenient >additional storage. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK19980518S0064 > > >Storage On the Move >May 11, 1998 >Product: Mobile 4 hard drive > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?VAR19980511S0053 > >Data In Your Pocket -- Removable-storage devices are becoming common in >both desktop and mobile setups >May 18, 1998 >Makers of removable-storage devices are out to convince business users that >you can take it with you. By all accounts, IS managers are convinced: >Removable storage is fast becoming an indispensable part of any PC system, >whether desktop or portable. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK19980518S0063 > >Tip of the Day: More Drive, Less Fuss - Getting more hard disk space on >your portable usually means one of two odious alternatives >4-06-98 > >http://www.zdnet.com/complife/jdi/tips/tpf-980415.html > > >Fujitsu bundles Zip drives with new LifeBook notebooks -- Book >notebook PCs equipped with Iomega Corp.'s Zip drives. >04-13-98 > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwo/0413/306394.html >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,21029,00.html > > >Removable Storage - Editors' Choice (04/21/98) >04-21-98 >The 100MB Iomega ZipPlus, from Iomega Corp., isn't the fastest drive, nor >the one with the most capacity, nor the most economical ($200 street for >the external drive, 13 cents per megabyte > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/storage/edchoice.html > > >Removable Storage - (04/21/98) >04-21-98 >Five of the drives we tested-the Avatar Shark 250 Mobile Hard Drive, HP >SureStore CD-Writer Plus 7200e, Imation SuperDisk Parallel Port Drive, >Iomega ZipPlus, and SyQuest EZFlyer 230 > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/storage/intro2.html > > > >Teac's PortaCD 10X Packs a PC Card and CD-ROM Drive to Go >04-20-98 >If you have an older notebook, chances are you don't have a CD-ROM drive. >This can be a real problem when you want to install the latest >applications, since most new software now comes on CD. In this case, you >may find Teac America's external CD-ROM drive, > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1805/297836.html > > >Fujitsu unveils trio of mobile hard drives >04-15-98 >Fujitsu Computer Products of America Inc. today launched three new 2.5-inch >hard drives in its Mobile series for notebook PCs. The San Jose, Calif., >company's drives will store up to > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0413/15efuji.html > > >**Communications** >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Billionton Portable Videoconferencing Kit -- Maintain a Visual >Connection >June 01, 1998 >Stay visibly in touch when you're away from the office. The Billionton >Portable Videoconferencing Kit provides real-time, two-way >videoconferencing via the Internet, a standard telephone line, ISDN, LANs >and cellular phone service. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0047 > > >TDK fax/modem card reaches 56 kbits/s >May 18, 1998 >TDK Systems Inc. (Nevada City, Calif.) has brought 56-kbit/second speed to >users of notebook computers and other portable gear with a >personal-computer fax/modem card. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?EET19980518S0091 > >Give your notebook a calling card >May 01, 1998 >One card, one connection. That's the idea behind the Com.plete PC Card >($499, Windows 3.1/95/NT), which lets you really wire your portable PC. The >card eliminates the need for a cellular phone, landline jack or handset >adapter. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0024 > > >PC Magazine: First Looks Online -- Modem Guard (5/12/98) >May 12, 1998 >Modem Guard's claims of speed improvement fall flat. - Australian >Protective Devices' Modem Guard ($54.95 list) is a combination surge >suppresser and phone-line > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/firstlooks/9805/f980512a.htm > > >Upgrade may fry 3Com modems, April 9, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,20963,00.html > > >Wireless LAN: New Standard, New Wares >April 20, 1998 >IT managers who want to mix and match their wireless LAN components will be >able to do so later this summer when vendors begin rolling out wireless >products that comply with the IEEE's 802.11 interoperability standard. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?INW19980420S0026 > > >Roam with a Network Connection >04-24-98 >Your boss is at a trade show in Japan and it's a gorgeous, El Nino-free >day. You want to get out and play nine holes, but you're afraid she might >fire an e-mail message at you. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/pccg/1105/302692.html > > >Communicate from Anywhere >04-24-98 >Whether you're in Albuquerque, Amsterdam, or on an airplane in between, you >need to know about the decisions and deals being made at the office. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/pccg/1105/302693.html > > >Trends: Wireless Networking Takes Off (April 24, 1998) >04-24-98 >Get ready to tap into your corporate network from the airport-without a >phone line. April 24, 1998 - Every year, advances in wireless networking >coax data to travel faster and farther. > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/news/trends/t980424a.htm > > >The CreditCard Connects You in and out of the Office -- >04-24-98 >Modem 56 from Xircom can shuttle your data from here to there in less time >than it takes to say its name. With an estimated price of $379, the >CreditCard is exactly what its name suggests-a > >http://www.zdnet.com/cshopper/content/9805/297837.html > > >**Accessories** >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Commute in Comfort >05-26-98 >Notebooks are long on convenience, but short on comfort. What good is your >notebook computer if it makes your hands and eyes ache? Kensington >Technology Group has remedies. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/extra/9806/316179.html > >PC Magazine: Essential Hardware -PC Cards (04/21/98) -- >04-08-98 >New Media Basics Gameport Greystone Type Adapters Adaptec SlimSCSI 1460 >Nogatech Notebook TV Eicon DIVA Pro Viper Series > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/gadgets98/pccards.html > > >Extras for new PowerBook arrive, May 8, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,21932,00.html > > >Print Without Wires >04-24-98 >You move from one office to another faster than the Hong Kong flu. And in >each place, you're faced with the annoying hassle of connecting your >notebook to a printer. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/pccg/1105/302690.html > > > >_[New Software]_________________________________________________ > > >Stac helps protect notebook data >05-12-98 >Replica Network Data Manager is an online backup software package that can >back up and restore Windows NT and Windows 95 files over an IP connection. > >http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0511/12astac.html > > >Portable NT PC Cards >May 18, 1998 >SystemSoft says its CardWizard 3.1 PC Card software for Microsoft Windows >NT 4.0 can now be purchased and downloaded from its Web site. With >CardWizard, users of most major PC brands can now add plug-and-play (hot >swap) PC Card capabilities > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?IWK19980518S0087 > > >Mobile Essentials Diagnoses Problems >04-10-98 >Mobile PC users tired of being stranded on the road with buggy notebooks >will get some relief from a new configuration and diagnostic program from >Symantec Corp. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwk/1515/306049.html > > >Symantec, on a roll, aims to keep mobile users current -- >04-24-98 >Mobile Update, software that is aimed at keeping mobile users' critical >files up-to-date. The software, which consists of a server running on >Windows NT 4.0 and a client > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwo/0424/309737.html > > > >_[Emerging Technology]__________________________________________ > > >Reflective LCD goes into Sharp notebook >May 25, 1998 >Tokyo - Doing its best to jump-start the still-dormant market for >color-reflective LCDs, Sharp Corp. last week introduced a notebook PC with >an 11.3-inch SVGA reflective display and front light. >"The color reflective LCD is the form of what an LCD should be," said Isao >Washizuka, Sharp's senior executive director for information systems. "It >has a big advantage outdoors, under sunlight. In the future, notebook PCs >with reflective LCDs will account for a large share of the market." In the >meantime, however, "we'll have to show the product and demonstrate the >necessity to users, to establish the market." > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?EET19980525S0038 > > >Making Laptops Less Modular >05-22-98 >Pentium processors and built-in drives. New notebooks from the companies >will be based on Intel Corp. 233MHz and 266MHz Pentium processors and will >feature three-spindle designs. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcwk/1521/318101.html > > >'Bluetooth' to Sink Into All Mobile Devices -- Intel Shepherds Wireless Flock >May 25, 1998 >Santa Clara, Calif. - Intel, along with telecommunications and >mobile-computing industry leaders, has formed a group dedicated to creating >technology to enable universal wireless connectivity for mobile computing >and communications devices. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?CRW19980525S0011 > > >Mobile PII and NT 5.0: A Match Made in Battery Heaven >05-26-98 >Mobile Pentium II, recently made its debut in the notebook market. Why is >that important? > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/extra/9806/316177.html > > >The Amazing Shrinking Battery >05-26-98 >This new chemistry promises to deliver higher power and longer life in a >smaller form. Technically, this battery chemistry is known as lithium-ion >polymer; > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/extra/9806/316178.html > >SRI Develops A Battery That Won't Burn >April 08, 1998 >Anyone who's worked on a laptop computer understands the problem: >lithium-ion batteries heat up, and in rare cases, they've caught fire and >have even exploded. > >http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980408S0028 > > >Short Take: New notebooks screen glass developed >April 15, 1998 >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,21134,00.html > > > >_[Buyer's Guides and Reviews]___________________________________ > >Portable NT -- Take the most advanced Windows OS on the road. >[Advice] >Here's how to make NT work with your notebook. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980601S0113 > > > >Making Portability Your Business >[Buyer's Guide - OS] >Choose your operating system. Right now, this first step may be the most >difficult. Despite the more refined portable features of Windows 95, look >to Windows NT Workstation for top performance. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/extra/9806/316181.html > > >Ready To Fly >[Buyer's Guide - HDD & RAM] >Choosing the right amount of RAM and hard drive space for your portable is >far less complex than sifting through processor possibilities. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309140c.html > > >Ready To Fly >05-21-98 [Buyer's Guide - Input Devices] >But otherwise, keyboard feel is largely subjective. Some prefer a >responsive, clacky keyboard; others like a silent, slightly mushy one. >Pointing-device choices are equally subjective. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309140h.html > > >Ready To Fly >[Buyer's Guide - Battery] Whichever features your portable has, inadequate >battery power can run them all off the road. Most new notebooks use a >lithium-ion battery-nickel-cadmium and nickel metal-hydride technologies. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309140g.html > > >Ready To Fly >05-21-98 [Buyer's Guide - Advice] >Until recently, assessing notebook screen size was easy: Bigger is better. >But with the advent of whopping 15.1-inch notebook LCDs, you might want to >limit just how large a screen you need. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309140d.html > >Powerful Pentium IIs: Supercharged Systems >[Group Review] >An exclusive look at the first systems powered by Deschutes-Intel's hottest >processor yet : Intel's new Pentium II processors-code named Deschutes-are >here. And there are two reasons why you should sit up and take notice. > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?WIN19980501S0110 > > >Ready To Fly >[Buyer's Guide - Storage] >Portables today integrate CD-ROM (or DVD-ROM) and floppy drives in one of >four ways. Some have both drives built into the notebook (though this >design has become less common); > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309140e.html > > >Notebooks >05-21-98 [Buyer's Guide - General] >First Priority: Consider which, if any, of these three factors are top >priorities in your new portable: low price, maximum portability, or >cutting-edge desktop features. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309301.html > > >Ready To Fly >05-21-98 [Buyer's Guide - CPU] >After deciding whether you have special requirements for portability, >desktop-like features, or a low price, consider which notebook CPU fits >your needs. > >http://www.zdnet.com/netbuyer/edit/cshopper/content/9806/309140b.html > > >Modular Mixture Tour >05-20-98 [Buyer's guide - General] >You need to be flexible day in, day out, so why shouldn't your notebook? A >portable designed around modular, swappable components can be a >productivity enhancer. > >http://www.zdnet.com/products/content/cshp/1806/309394.html > > >Top Ten Tips for Buying a Computer >05-13-98 [Buyer's Guide - Tips] >Before it comes as any surprise, let me tell you: There are no lemon laws >when it comes to the sale of computer products. But you can take action to >be sure that what you buy works. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cda/index/0,2073,2103456-2100515,00.html > > >Do I need a surge protector for my laptop? >05-13-98 [Buyer's Guide - Advice] >Even though some laptops offer minimal protection, you should always use a >surge protector with your computer. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdtv/cda/index/0,2073,2101214-2101064,00.html > > >Finding the top 266-MHz Pentium MMX portables : Tested this month >[Group Review] > >http://www.techweb.com/se/directlink.cgi?HPC19980501S0037 > > >PCC Exclusives: 6th Annual Notebook Torture Test >04-13-98 [Group Reviews] >Your notebook pulls a one-and-a-half gainer from your fumbling hands and >crashes to the floor. When you unclench your eyes, your colleagues are >suppressing grins. > >http://www.zdnet.com/pccomp/features/excl0498/torture/welcome.html > > >Just say no to notebook theft >04-23-98 [Advice - Security] >Secret passwords, fingerprint ID peripherals, and chip-based smart cards >may prevent snoopers from stealing the data on your computer, but what's to >prevent a thief from snatching your computer. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/content/pcmo/0423/309565.html > > > > >_____[ Comments, Subscribe, Changing Addresses, Unsubscribe ]___ > > > >Feedback: Your ideas, comments and critiques are welcome. >Mailto:feedback@laptopnews.com. > >Subscribing: Mailto:newsletter-request@laptopnews.com. In the Subject >field, type: "subscribe". Do not include the quotes. 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For >non-commercial purposes please forward, post, and link as long as you give >credit to Laptop News: >http://www.LaptopNews.com > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 16:21:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA270108087; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:21:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04217; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:16:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03880; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from znet.com (sdts10-18.znet.net [207.167.66.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03867; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jmarnold@localhost) by znet.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA20884; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:28 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:14:28 -0700 Message-Id: <199806052014.NAA20884@znet.com> From: "Jeffrey M. Arnold" To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Straight ASCII) In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980605121937.008898f0@rcf.usc.edu> References: <3.0.32.19980605121937.008898f0@rcf.usc.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal Whittle writes: > Well, I'm sure you had your order in for quite some time. I would still > be waiting for weeks to come had I held out. I waited about a week and a half. By the way, the second battery I ordered at the same time just arrived today. > Besides...I think the speed difference is minimal at best, I intend to > upgrade to a *much* larger HD down the road anyway (3.2 to 4 GB just > doesn't cut it), and I saved $500 or more in the process. And I got it the > next day to boot. ;-) You probably did the smart thing. I doubt there is a perceptible difference between the 233 MHz and the 266 MHz models; I opted for the 266 mainly for the larger disk, which, after reserving 1GB for linux, is already almost full. > One of the many reasons that when I go to a client of any sort with my > laptop, a Laplink cable comes with me. I usually bring my ethernet, but this time I didn't, and the floppy-net wasn't that big a deal. I was disappointed, though, that I couldn't read the CD. For the record, it was in ISO-9660 format, CD-R (not CD-RW), and not packet-written, although the HP drive does support packet writing. > It does very much surprise me that your CD was that persnickety though. I > would have been inclined to blame the HP CD-R (especially if it was a > CD-RW, as the re-writeable ones are *notorious* for not being able to be > read on regular CD drives). > > Is there any chance it could be limited to just *your* drive? If there's > anyway to get this guy to send me the CD, I'll try reading it on my 600's > CD drive. It would be one more test sample. :-) I'm afraid not... proprietary data, and all that. A quick update, though. Back in my office I have a handful (ok, three) of other CD-Rs that various people have sent me. All three are readable by my TP 600, as is every commercially masterd disk I've tried. So I guess my TP600 just doesn't like HP drives... -jeff From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 16:29:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA271508589; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:29:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04753; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:25:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04658; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04636; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts15.loop.net (p06.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.231]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA27111; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806052023.NAA27111@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "letoured@sover.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:24:12 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Typical TP Price Drops? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 04 Jun 1998 16:22:48 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > What is it (the CPU, that is)? > TP365 (forgot which model), Cyrix 5x86-100 I believe. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 16:36:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273288993; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:36:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05296; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:30:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05176; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04948; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p06.hwts15.loop.net (p06.hwts15.loop.net [207.211.62.231]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA27666 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 13:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806052027.NAA27666@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:28:09 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP710T: AC Adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if the AC adapter for a 710T is the same as that of a 360? I'm thinking about getting a working one, but it doesn't have the AC adapter, and the battery is dead. :( TIA, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 16:38:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273499087; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:38:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05463; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:32:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05363; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05346; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22584 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA27105 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:31:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD909F.AEA76E10@ntmail.tiac.net>; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:33:34 -0400 Message-Id: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Randal Whittle'" , "'Jeffrey M. Arnold'" Cc: "'TP List'" Subject: RE: TP 600 First Impressions (Straight ASCII) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:33:33 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, One thing that you have to remember is close out the session after the write. Until you do only CD-R writers and some CDROM Drives can read it. This puts additional information on the CD so it is readable in a regular CDROM drive. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU >---------- >From: Jeffrey M. Arnold[SMTP:jmarnold@znet.com] >Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 4:14 PM >To: Randal Whittle >Cc: TP List >Subject: Re: TP 600 First Impressions (Straight ASCII) > >Randal Whittle writes: >> It does very much surprise me that your CD was that persnickety though. I > > would have been inclined to blame the HP CD-R (especially if it was a > > CD-RW, as the re-writeable ones are *notorious* for not being able to be > > read on regular CD drives). > > > > Is there any chance it could be limited to just *your* drive? If there's > > anyway to get this guy to send me the CD, I'll try reading it on my 600's > > CD drive. It would be one more test sample. :-) > >I'm afraid not... proprietary data, and all that. > >A quick update, though. Back in my office I have a handful (ok, >three) of other CD-Rs that various people have sent me. All three are >readable by my TP 600, as is every commercially masterd disk I've >tried. So I guess my TP600 just doesn't like HP drives... > >-jeff > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 17:37:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA282562646; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:37:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02724; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:35:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02601; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02580; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 17:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port1-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.198]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14813 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:35:27 -0500 Message-Id: <002901bd90c9$a87f8e80$c68b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Screen burn on 770 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 16:33:59 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I seem to remember someone either on this list or on the comp.sys.laptops newsgroup ask the question a while back if a laptop screen could have an image 'etched' or 'burned-in' to it by leaving it on for extended periods of time without using a screen saver. I seem to also recall that the answer was no, or either don't worry about it. Well, it just so happens that I have some small burn-in marks from the Internet Explorer 4.01 toolbar icons on my 770's 14.1" screen. It shows up as a dark gray etching on the standard Windows 95 default gray/blue color layout. I don't use a screen saver since I didn't think that this could happen with this type of display, plus I don't leave the unit on 24/7 with the browser running. But I guess running it this way every work day for a few hours will eventually cause it to happen. It may be a defect with my screen that is popping up, but in the meantime I suggest that everyone that may leave their laptop running for a while with the same image turn on the screen saver. I know that I will from now on! Does anyone know if IBM might warranty this? I may call and see what they say, but I tend to doubt it. Eric Giles (Feeling like an idiot for not using a simple screen saver!) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 19:53:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA005230796; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:53:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07061; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:51:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06909; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06897; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806052351.TAA06897@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 4 Jun 1988 16:48:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 16:51:25 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Vendor Survey Digest Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As promised, here are the responses I received to my earlier request for information on thinkpad vendors. There were 5 responses covering 5 different vendors, so no digesting was necessary. The responses were remarkably positive considering people's bad experiences in past years. I have included all comments, but I have not included names, as I didn't ask specifically whether people wanted names associated with their comments. I will also add that I have had good experience with PC Connection, but this is old data. ***************************************************** Vendor: Insight Direct Price (0-5): 5 Availability (0-5): 5 Honesty (0-5): 5 Promptness (0-5); 5 Service (0-5): 5 Competence (0-5): 4.5 Price for accessories (0-5): N/A Other: Ordered my machine overnight shipping; I missed the cutoff for shipping, but they called me back and let me know. FedEx also left it at my door (no markings of what was inside), so I didn't have to sign for it. ********************************************************************** **************** Vendor: Micro World, Los Gatos CA Price (0-5): 5 Availability (0-5): 5 Honesty (0-5): 5 Promptness (0-5); 5 Service (0-5): Never tried it. Competence (0-5): N/A Price for accessories (0-5): 4 Other: email Mark@micro-world.com ******************************************************** Vendor: PC Connection Price (0-5): 4 Availability (0-5): 4 Honesty (0-5): 5 Promptness (0-5); 5 Service (0-5): 5 Competence (0-5): 5 Price for accessories (0-5): 4 Other: I have done business with this company since 1985 when they were only Mac Connection. I bought my current ThinkPad 760E as a closeout at a very good price one year ago. Just before that I ordered another 760, also a closeout, from PC Connection. It arrived damaged. It could not be replaced, since no others of this model were available. I called PC Connection Customer Service. PC Connection issued a UPS call tag and UPS picked-up the system the following Monday. No hassle. I got a full refund to my credit card, including shipping charges, within three days. PC Connection is my preferred source for hardware and software. Web site: www.pcconnection.com ****************************************************** Vendor: PCMall Price (0-5): 5 Availability (0-5): 5 Honesty (0-5): 5 Promptness (0-5) 4 Service (0-5): 4 Competence (0-5): 4 Price for accessories (0-5): Other: Only complaint was slowness in resolving credit card verification problem which delayed shipment. They did provided FedEx tracking number. ********************************************************************** Vendor: PC Zone. Bought a 560 from them and just ordered a 600 from them today. Price (0-5): 3 A bit above average for discount mail order places. Though I should give them bonus points for attempting to match a competitor when I got the 560. Availability (0-5): 4.5 They had machines I wanted when I couldn't get them anywhere else, though I often had to settle for a slightly lesser model (i.e., when I bought the 560, I got the P120 because it was available, whereas the P133 couldn't be had from anywhere). Honesty (0-5): 5 They didn't screw me, but I have no real way of gauging this. Promptness (0-5); 5 Immediate delivery overnight. Service (0-5): 5 Nice on the phone, call to check order, etc. Competence (0-5): ? Can't judge. I'm an easy customer who already knows what he wants when I I call. They just have to type into the computer. Price for accessories (0-5): 3.5? Other: ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 5 23:00:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029492037; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:00:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13797; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:58:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13628; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13615; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXW0F7W2KW976M53@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:58:50 MST Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 19:50:44 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Screen burn on 770 In-Reply-To: "Message dated Fri, 05 Jun 1998 16:33:59 -0500" <002901bd90c9$a87f8e80$c68b89d0@egiles> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXW16TGD40976M53@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Well, it just so happens that I have > some small burn-in marks from the Internet Explorer 4.01 toolbar icons on my > 770's 14.1" screen. It shows up as a dark gray etching on the standard > Windows 95 default gray/blue color layout. Hmm.. I've had my 755CE a bit more than three years now, and there are times when it's run on my desk for weeks at a time with pretty much the same stuff at least along the bottom of the screen. I can't see any burn marks in it - nothing at all, even with glasses on and really closely checking it out. Maybe the 770 has more light and/or heat output or some different kind of screen coating that's more sensitive to this? Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 00:02:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA036915748; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:02:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16071; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:58:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15510; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15484; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts13.loop.net (p26.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.191]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA21637; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 20:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806060357.UAA21637@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Eric Giles" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 20:58:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Screen burn on 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >It may be a defect with my screen that is popping up, but in the meantime I >suggest that everyone that may leave their laptop running for a while with >the same image turn on the screen saver. I know that I will from now on! > I think I read in an NEC datasheet somewhere, that as an active matrix LCD gets older, it might "burn-in", though not as bad as a CRT. This came as a surprise to me, though. So, when the machine's off, you can see this? For me, I cannot run a screensaver, because it takes too much CPU time, for my special applications. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 00:19:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA038796795; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:19:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17222; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:17:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17024; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17011; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA30799; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:33:42 -0700 Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: Paul Khoury Cc: ThinkPad List , Eric Giles Subject: Re: Screen burn on 770 In-Reply-To: <199806060357.UAA21637@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > For me, I cannot run a screensaver, because it takes too much CPU time, for > my special applications. I run a nice basic close to zero CPU time screen blanker. All the fancy ones annoy me after I see them more than a couple of times. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 01:52:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA050342365; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:52:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19160; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:51:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19019; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19007; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port1-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.198]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA27004 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:51:06 -0500 Message-Id: <015001bd9120$35139a20$c68b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Screen burn on 770 Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 00:53:28 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I don't know exactly what's going on with your baby there, but I know its >not burn-in. Burn-in is possible only with a CRT. The phosphors that >light up on the glass after being shot with electrons can burn permanently >into place if left in exactly the same state for a prolonged period of >time. A TFT doesn't have phosphors to burn into place. I know that the screen doesn't actually have burn-in, I just didn't know of a better way to describe it! :) I called IBM after I sent the message and told the tech what was going on. At first he thought that I had pixels that were burned out, but after describing the situation to him he realized that there was something odd here. He also said that it was not possible for an active matrix screen to develop burn-in. After putting me on hold for a few minutes, he said that he would send me out a box for EZServ. The techs were very interested in looking at it, since they said that they had never heard or experienced this before. They think that there might be some sort of defect in the screen 'layers' (their words, not mine) that is causing it. Of course, the tech wasn't sure if it would be covered under warranty if the screen was actually 'burned', but I am confident that they will replace it. It really isn't that bothersome, but it may possibly get worse with age so I will have it replaced if it is covered under warranty. I just hope that they take care of my 'baby' during its stay in Memphis! I'll keep the list updated on what happens. Eric Giles From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 04:27:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA064901667; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:27:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24318; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:22:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24200; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24188; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 04:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA25652; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:21:54 -1000 Message-Id: <002c01bd9124$4be83040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Victor Kress" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: Vendor Survey Digest Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:22:48 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu An increasingly useful source of information on vendors is Bizrate, http://www.bizrate.com/display.pl Sorry I didn't see your original post. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 10:15:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA094532516; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:15:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05919; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:08:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05773; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05761; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 10:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA17244; Sat, 6 Jun 98 10:08:16 EDT Message-Id: <35794CEC.D78D5D18@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 10:06:36 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Pentium II ThinkPad and Linux APM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone with a Pentium II ThinkPad (600 or 770E) been able to get suspend/resume working in Linux? I can suspend my 600 but not resume. I have heard from at least one person with a 770E that appears to have the same trouble. This is a not insignificant problem. This applies when suspending by closing the lid, Fn-F4, or apm -s. It also applies to hibernation with Fn-F12. Thanks in advance. If I can get past this I would be happy to put together a Linux on 600/770 web page. --Lee Hetherington ThinkPad 600 (2645-51U) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 14:02:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115246160; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:02:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11842; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11681; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11668; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA29653 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 20:00:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 6 Jun 98 20:00:19 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 6 Jun 98 20:00:10 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de.0.168.192.IN-ADDR.ARPA (132.187.248.143) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 6 Jun 98 20:00:06 +0200 From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 20:00:23 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Screen burn on 770 Message-Id: <2F061306ADB@stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 05 Jun 98 20:58:07, Paul Khoury wrote: >>It may be a defect with my screen that is popping up, but in the meantime I >>suggest that everyone that may leave their laptop running for a while with >>the same image turn on the screen saver. I know that I will from now on! >> >I think I read in an NEC datasheet somewhere, that as an active matrix >LCD gets older, it might "burn-in", though not as bad as a CRT. This >came as a surprise to me, though. So, when the machine's off, you can see >this? Just a question about: how does this work physically? What makes the effect of a burn in on a LCD? I mean from the technological point. Anybody any hint? Till now I thought I've understood how a TFT works, but now I've a problem... I think on a CRT the effect is clear. But how does a Thin Film Transistor "burn in" what happens to the transistor? Any genies in electronics arround? -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 18:53:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA145893622; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:53:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19192; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:51:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18988; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.teleport.com (smtp4.teleport.com [192.108.254.34]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18976; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp4.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10468 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id PAA29479; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:51:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: floppy Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, I was a a computer swap meet this am. Picked up an external floppy. Thinking it would hook into my port rep unit. Nope the connectors are just a little bit different. So does anyone have any idea if there is an adapter someplace that will work? If not, well then I have an untested external floppy for sale or trade. numbers are IBM Part number 41H8228 IBM FRU number 41H7445 Then it has another sticker saying E FDD: J1031VE4796 Ideas? offers? advice? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 19:51:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA152077115; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:51:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20899; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:50:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20811; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sun.lclark.edu (sun.lclark.edu [149.175.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20799; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (lytle@localhost) by sun.lclark.edu (8.8.3/8.6.11) with SMTP id QAA07951 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Paula Lytle Reply-To: Paula Lytle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Replacing the "My Computer" Icon In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I am a new Thinkpad owner (380D- not exactly up there on musclebeach), but an old IBM laptop owner (still have the original IBM notebook my 386- PS/2 note.) I was intrigued by the request from someone (Randal Whittle?) for info on how to replace the "My Computer" icon with the "Thinkpad" icon. If I remember correctly, he asked for it to be sent to him directly. As I have been dragged kicking and screaming out of DOS, I've been trying to minimize the pain, and I like the idea of icon-substitution. If anyone has this info, would you please forward to me as well? Thanks- Paula Franklin Lytle Department of Political Science Lewis and Clark College From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 21:02:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA158761354; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:02:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23041; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:01:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22883; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com ([209.142.0.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22870; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerryray (209-142-3-7.stk.inreach.net [209.142.3.7]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id RAA11914 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806070055.RAA11914@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Janice Ray" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Looking for thinkpad 500 memory Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:00:35 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone I hope some one has a 8 meg memory chip for a IBM thinkpad 500 for sale. Thanks Janice djmisic@inreach.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 21:16:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA160182183; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:16:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23630; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:15:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23497; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23482; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts09.loop.net (p04.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.49]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA25922 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806070113.SAA25922@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 06 Jun 98 18:15:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP-non-intel Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Okay, after looking in an old Insight Direct catalog, it said that the 5x86 ThinkPads were the 365E and ED. Here is also a link to my web site for this machine: http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/thinkpad/thinkpad3655x86.html -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 21:44:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA163343896; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:44:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24574; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:43:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24422; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24409; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pault (client-151-200-126-77.bellatlantic.net [151.200.126.77]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA12437; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <002601bd91b5$5a325cc0$03000004@pault> From: "Paul Thomson" To: "richard" , Subject: Re: ibmcss01.vxd Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:41:09 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- From: richard To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, June 06, 1998 8:41 AM Subject: ibmcss01.vxd If I remember right, point it back to your A: drive. >I'm trying to update by PCMCIA driver on my TP560 using the latest files from >the Thinkpad file matrix. The update can't find the file "IBMCSS01.VXD" - it >looks in the windows cab files, but it's not there. Any idea where I might find >this file? > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 21:52:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA163894365; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:52:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25089; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:51:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24967; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.epix.net (mx.epix.net [199.224.64.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24954; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp110.epix.net [199.224.125.110]) by mx.epix.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/1998060201/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id VAA03682 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806070151.VAA03682@mx.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-To: jt@epix.net Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:50:47 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Original IBM laptop? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In , on 06/06/98 at 04:49 PM, Paula Lytle typed: >an old IBM laptop owner (still have the original IBM >notebook my 386- PS/2 note. No. The original IBM laptop was the PC Convertible. 8088, 2 3.5" floppies, no hard drive. Mono LCD display. Notable for offering suspend-resume long before any other laptops had it. I wrote a program called BATTEST for it to measure the battery life. Tended to be good for close to 8 hours (less with the backlit LCD screen). -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Is fire supposed to shoot out of that thing? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 21:59:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA164844767; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:59:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25551; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:58:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25427; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25413; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29405; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806070156.SAA29405@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "jt@epix.net" Date: Sat, 06 Jun 98 18:57:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Original IBM laptop? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 21:50:47 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >In , on 06/06/98 > at 04:49 PM, Paula Lytle typed: > >>an old IBM laptop owner (still have the original IBM >>notebook my 386- PS/2 note. > >No. The original IBM laptop was the PC Convertible. 8088, 2 3.5" >floppies, no hard drive. Mono LCD display. Notable for offering >suspend-resume long before any other laptops had it. > >I wrote a program called BATTEST for it to measure the battery life. >Tended to be good for close to 8 hours (less with the backlit LCD screen). > And I think the first ThinkPad would be the 300, which is what I have 386SL-25. A very nice machine, though different with no TrackPoint. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 22:32:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA167506766; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:32:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26499; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:31:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26408; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26396; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash2-112.flash.net [209.30.74.112]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06904 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 21:30:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3579FAD7.C8503AD4@flash.net> Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:28:39 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Oldie still running Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Julian Thomas wrote: > No. The original IBM laptop was the PC Convertible. 8088, 2 3.5" > floppies, no hard drive. Mono LCD display. Notable for offering > suspend-resume long before any other laptops had it. The closest I have to that is an L-40 SX (286-20Mhz). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 22:34:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA167576852; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:34:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26742; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:32:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26567; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26555; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from abusch.fas.harvard.edu (abusch.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.110.94]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id WAA12733; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:32:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andreas Busch" Message-Id: To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Sat, 06 Jun 98 22:32:41 +0200 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" X-Newsreader: PMINews 1.02 Beta 1 For OS/2 Organization: Harvard University Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RealPlayer 5.0 and MWave? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, having read numerous reports that it IS possible to install RealPlayer 5.0 and run it under WinOS2, I today set out to try it myself. As you can see from the fact that I post here, I didn't succeed completely :-( I am running Warp 4 (no fixpacks) on an IBM ThinkPad 760 ED which has an MWave DSP for the sound - and that seems to be the cause of the problem. For whenever I start a file or open a .ram file on the net, after a split second I get a General Protection Fault and that was it... The problem always is in the file MWDMW16.DLL, which is part of the MWave distribution. Any ideas? To make things even more compicated: when I did my first install today (I went through several trying to fix the problems), I could watch video, but didn't hear sound. So I started checking the MWave installation in WinOS2. Unfortunately I don't quite remember what I did - I started the mixer app, and discovered that there was indeed sound there. But after that, RealPlayer would always crash. I went through two re-installs, but to no avail. I'd be very grateful for any hints, thanks in advance, Andreas ------- Dr. Andreas Busch Center for European Studies Tel. (617) 495 4303 x239 Harvard University Fax (617) 495 8509 27 Kirkland Street E-Mail: abusch@fas.harvard.edu Cambridge MA 02138, USA http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~bp7 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 22:42:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA167957330; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:42:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27380; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:41:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27302; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27283; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts14.loop.net (p01.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.196]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA03256; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806070239.TAA03256@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "paphbob@flash.net" , "Thinkpad" Date: Sat, 06 Jun 98 19:40:56 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Oldie still running Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 06 Jun 1998 19:28:39 -0700, Bob Garagliano wrote: >Julian Thomas wrote: > >> No. The original IBM laptop was the PC Convertible. 8088, 2 3.5" >> floppies, no hard drive. Mono LCD display. Notable for offering >> suspend-resume long before any other laptops had it. > >The closest I have to that is an L-40 SX (286-20Mhz). > Actually, the L40SX is a 386SX-20, if I recall. I have that in the PS/2 Assistant, but haven't even thought of converting that (as if people would look at it). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 6 23:12:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170969167; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:12:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28367; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:11:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28204; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from admin.inetport.com (inetport.com [204.96.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28183; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (ip52.isdn6-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.2.52]) by admin.inetport.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA05934 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:11:15 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 23:11:32 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Horror Story Message-Id: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Gentle Reader (if there are any such folks left amongst ThinkPad owners), I just today found out about this mailing list and have already had 10 messages. It looks rather more active than the official IBM forums, so maybe this is the place to start unfolding my tales of ThinkPad woes -- provided your constitutions are not too frail to take such matters. But first for a feature request: Cound IBM please provide a button which the customer can press to deliver an electric shock to a randomly-selected IBM employee. The shock need not be fatal and would still do wonders to improve quality control. I could write a book, but I'll keep to the most recent problems. I have a 770-1AU. It misbehaved soon after acquisition, requiring a format disk and reinstall of the preloaded stuff. Its audio functions have never worked properly on several functions -- Quick Time Movies and Roland MIDI amongst them. But just about everything else seemed find for the last three months. And then the modem began behaving in eccentric ways. So much so that I thought that it might be, like myself, an Englishman. While on line a loud wail would sound and the system would be frozen. Well, IBM support suggested I reload the ThinkPad modem software. When I did this it asked the question: "did I wish to delete the old software?" It is supposed to delete only the modem software, but it deleted a lot of system stuff and I didn't have video, sound, infrared, network: ie. the system was pretty badly corrupted. The first couple of calls to IBM support got me misinformation. I was told that since the PCMCIA-2 was shaded out in "easy setup" this meant the second PC card slot had failed. This was wrong: PCMCIA-2 refers to a potential completely separate PC card installation (which I don't have). Next time I called I was asked if there was a beep on inserting a PC-card. I said "no," but also that I wouldn't expect a beep if Windows 95 was corrupted. The IBM person insisted that the beep came from the hardware, not Windows 95 -- he was also wrong. After losing a week over this PC-card slot diversion, I got through to a more senior IBM person and I have to tell you he has been terrific. He has a deep knowledge and also strong problem solving skills and managed to fix a whole variety of problems on the machine with great panache. I was impressed. This all took around 12-14 hours, however, and at the end of it the modem was still out of order. Apparently, the new version of IBM's modem software may not correctly remove the old software, and we could not get the new version to install at first. When we finally did install it, we tried to add the "country update," specifically because I was flying to Britain in a few hours, and the system crashed during this process. Apparently there are compatibility problems between versions -- and there may also have been an initial installation problem in the first place. By the way, another customer has since also reported system corruption >from the modem update while someone on the IBM forums has reported the failure of the country update. My view is that insufficient care is taken with troubleshooting system files before putting them on the net. Very thorough testing should be carried out before the files get there. The very unprofessional documentation system -- or lack of it -- is in itself evidence that something is seriously amiss. I was told that it is a frequent practice to change files without updating the release number: a hazardous practice if ever there was one. Thus the current modem software release includes an upgrade to 56k, even though it has the same release number as the previous one. In fact, if the modem install had gone correctly, I would then have tried to install the 56k upgrade I'd previously used and would have doubtless got into trouble then: for there was nothing to tell me the 56k upgrade was no longer needed. I was also told that the previous 56k upgrade had been incompatible with the previous country update (needed to use the machine outside the US), but there had been no info. on this (so, if *nothing* had gone wrong with my original setup, I would still have been unable to use the machine outside the US because I had installed the 56k upgrade as well as the country update). A further point: Since the crash, the video began malfunctioning, with the screen blank on power up at times. I was told this was because the latest BIOS IBM had released was defective -- the advice was to downgrade to the previous BIOS (and any of you who upgraded the 770 BIOS should do likewise). I was told that the new BIOS had been withdrawn because of the defect, but there was nothing on the Web to warn customers who had already installed it to pull it off. The current scene is that I still have several problems. The Plug and Play BIOS (part of Windows 95) is in particular trouble and tried to reinstall all sorts of hardware devices at random (and yes, I did reinstall Windows 95 from the CABS...) Oh, by the way, for any of you have been unable to reinstall Windows 95, this is because a vital file was left off the Windows/options/CABS. IBM initially told me it was impossible to reinstall Win 95 (which is why I ended up doing the complete preload in January) but were quite wrong... In addition to the Plug and Play, my Windows passwords appear to be corrupted, so I can't have my password stored for dial-up use (trying to create a log on which was the original fix for this stabdard issue won't work). I did eventually manage to reinstall the *original* modem software (since the update wouldn't install.) But there was corruption in the telephon.ini file so this had to be rebuilt. I still have to figure out how to correctly remove the old software so that the updated modem and country update stuff can be installed. My IBM contact is working on it... Oh, and after all this, the machine will still have to be sent in because it turns out it is one of the 1000 sent out with a defective systemboard which causes hangs when additional memory is added... The real problem is the rush to get a product out before properly testing it. I think there are serious problems with ThinkPad system software -- and with the documentation that goes with it as well. Let me know if any of you have experienced any similar problems. --Jonathan! ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 01:44:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184278240; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:44:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02644; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:42:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02438; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inreach.com (mail.inreach.com [209.142.0.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02424; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 01:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerryray (209-142-2-88.stk.inreach.net [209.142.2.88]) by mail.inreach.com (8.8.8/8.8.6/(InReach)) with ESMTP id WAA17410 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806070536.WAA17410@mail.inreach.com> Reply-To: From: "Janice Ray" To: Subject: Looking for thinkpad 500 memory Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 22:41:42 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everyone , does anyone out there have a 8 meg memory chip for a IBM thinkpad 500. Thanks Janice djmusic@inreach.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 02:03:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA187399429; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:03:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03301; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03221; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voicenet.com (mail12.voicenet.com [207.103.0.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03206; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 02:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806070602.CAA03206@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 13926 invoked from network); 7 Jun 1998 06:02:03 -0000 Received: from phila104-pri.voicenet.com (207.103.31.104) by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 1998 06:02:03 -0000 From: "Stuart Bogom" To: "Andreas Busch" , "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 01:59:12 +0500 Reply-To: "Stuart Bogom" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RealPlayer 5.0 and MWave? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 06 Jun 98 22:32:41 +0200, Andreas Busch wrote: >Hi, > >having read numerous reports that it IS possible to install RealPlayer 5.0 and run it under >WinOS2, I today set out to try it myself. >As you can see from the fact that I post here, I didn't succeed completely :-( > >I am running Warp 4 (no fixpacks) on an IBM ThinkPad 760 ED which has an MWave DSP >for the sound - and that seems to be the cause of the problem. For whenever I start a file >or open a .ram file on the net, after a split second I get a General Protection Fault and that >was it... >The problem always is in the file MWDMW16.DLL, which is part of the MWave distribution. > >Any ideas? >To make things even more compicated: when I did my first install today (I went through >several trying to fix the problems), I could watch video, but didn't hear sound. So I started >checking the MWave installation in WinOS2. Unfortunately I don't quite remember what I >did - I started the mixer app, and discovered that there was indeed sound there. >But after that, RealPlayer would always crash. I went through two re-installs, but to no >avail. > >I'd be very grateful for any hints, >thanks in advance, > >Andreas >------- >Dr. Andreas Busch >Center for European Studies Tel. (617) 495 4303 x239 >Harvard University Fax (617) 495 8509 >27 Kirkland Street E-Mail: abusch@fas.harvard.edu >Cambridge MA 02138, USA http://www.rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~bp7 > > I have had this same problem. Check out the following web site for some tips: http://budgetweb.com/os2/plugins.html Some of these were helpful for me (particularly changing the idle sensitivity to 100). I am now able to play Real Audio clips about 80% of the time without problem. The other 20% I get the GPF. The latest tip at the web site indicates that Injoy is a problem. I haven't tried using another dialer yet. Good luck. Let me know if you find a solution. Stuart Bogom From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 03:07:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193353233; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:07:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05212; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:04:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04962; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04950; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id AAA26112 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 00:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806070704.AAA26112@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: linux on 770 page Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There's one at http://web.inw.com/linux/770.html. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 04:10:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200347041; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 04:10:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08152; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 04:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 04:07:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08040; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 04:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08026; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 04:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash3-184.flash.net [209.30.74.184]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA29802 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 03:07:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <357A4A9C.84DF6F8@flash.net> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 01:09:00 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Oldie still running Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > >The closest I have to that is an L-40 SX (286-20Mhz). > > > Actually, the L40SX is a 386SX-20, if I recall. I have that in the PS/2 Assistant, but haven't > even thought of converting that (as if people would look at it). > I could have sworn last time I had the cover off it said 286 on the chip. Maybe I'll have to look again, I'd like to be wrong... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 13:03:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA246618980; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:03:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22835; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:59:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22588; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22576; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (inri.co.uk) [158.152.21.88] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiin1-00056o-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:59:28 +0000 Received: from aladdin [192.9.200.188] by inri.co.uk [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.6.rA.b6.32-R) for ; Sun, 07 Jun 98 15:58:46 +0100 Sender: pjb@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <357AAA2C.1868@inri.co.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:56:44 +0000 From: Pete Backhouse Organization: International Research Institute (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.10 9000/715) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad-list Subject: Re: Oldie still running References: <3579FAD7.C8503AD4@flash.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mdaemon-Deliver-To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bob Garagliano wrote: > > Julian Thomas wrote: > > > No. The original IBM laptop was the PC Convertible. 8088, 2 3.5" > > floppies, no hard drive. Mono LCD display. Notable for offering > > suspend-resume long before any other laptops had it. > > The closest I have to that is an L-40 SX (286-20Mhz). that's actually a 386sx and quite a neat little machine! pete. -- ____________________________________________________ Peter Backhouse PBackhouse @inri.co.uk ____________________________________________________ Senior Systems Engineer Shiny Studios Engineer INRI UK Ltd (Lo-Fi Techno) ____________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 13:55:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA252172137; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:55:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24216; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:52:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24055; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24042; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806071751.NAA24042@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 5294 invoked from network); 7 Jun 1998 17:51:42 -0000 Received: from du100-3.ppp.algonet.se (HELO default) (195.100.3.100) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 7 Jun 1998 17:51:42 -0000 Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helena_S=F6derholm?=" To: Subject: Hello I'm new ! Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:48:24 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Everybody ! The introduction letter from this mailing list asked that I introduce myself on the list so since I now have received my first bunch of messages I suppose I should do that... My name is Peter Soderholm and I live in Stockholm Sweden. I work as a software/electronics developer of embedded u-controller systems for the vehicle industry, ie. trucks etc. I'm currently writing this message on the 3rd in a row of Thinkpads I have owned so I suppose one could say I'm a regular Thinkpad freak. My first Thinkpad was the 340 modell with b/w DSTN screen. It wasn't too hot even then but I really liked it a lot. So much in fact that I decided that my next computer would be a Thinkpad too. What made me decide I needed a new computer, I think, was the inability of that modell to show bitmaps with more than 16 colours. That was not enough to surf the net satesfactory. Also the 8M RAM was not enough for Win95. Yet I loved the machine and actually did a lot of different work on it. Internet, C++ Windows programming, and Wordprocessing etc. The next machine was the Thinkpad 360CE. I was a bit chocked when I saw how small the screen was (8,4") but now I was able to view all pictures with 256 colors on the Internet and could actually make out what they where supposed to show. Unfortunately this machine had had an accident so the plastic was cracked on the case, and worse, the screen was acting strangely sometimes with some colors disappearing and flickering phenomena occuring. But with 12M of RAM I could at last enter the world of Win95. I ordered a used replacement casing from a Florida based firm and managed to replace it without wrecking the computer. Taking it apart was really scary though. It took me about 1 hour and I was convinced the whole time I would break something or rip out a cable that would cost $6000 to have replaced by IBM. I also bought a PCMCIA modem and soundcard for that machine. The problems I had with the screen eventually made me sell that one and get myself a Thinkpad 755CD. It costed a bit more but it's got the greatest brightest TFT screen I've ever seen (so far) and built in modem, sound, CD player and video capture. This is the one I have now. The OSs I use are Windows 95 and Linux. I have Win95 on a 1,2G HD and Linux on the original 540M HD. I did install OS2 Warp on a small 85M HD that I had in my drawer, just to try it out, but I didn't find it overwhelming enough to convince me to switch from Win. Mostly because it wasn't so much different from Win95 as opposed to Linux which is a whole different world. It was pretty cute though. Mind you it was an old version, perhaps the newer ones are more impressive. When I get time in the future I'd like to try the OpenStep (NextStep) operating system, but the GNU version is not supposed to be quite finished to a workable level yet. Well, now I'm about to hopefully get a pretty good deal on a Thinkpad 760ED so maybe soon it will be time to switch again. Does anyone have any important info (positive negative check this and that etc.) about the 760 ED I would be very happy to hear about it before I close the deal. I'm a little reluctant to do the switch because I'm quite happy with my 755CD. Its about the size a portabel computer should have. The 770 seems to be a step back towards "luggable" again. I don't think I can go without a pentium for much longer now though and I still have a change to get something for the 755 if I sell it. The greater screen resolution would also be useful when doing word processing. With 640x480 its a bit hard to get all the text on the screen without scrolling or zooming out so the text gets to tiny to be redable. And another thing. I'm also curious if anyone uses the Ultra Bay TV-tuner for the 755,760.. I've always wanted to have one to watch TV on the train when I travel, or move the computer to my kitchen to watch the news while doing my washing up. I would consider this the most unnessesary luxury gadget one could ever imagine. Therefore a must-have. :-) Best Regards Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 16:01:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268149669; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:01:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27017; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:58:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26789; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26777; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 15:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from effie (1Cust106.tnt2.redmond.wa.da.uu.net [153.37.199.106]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id OAA16019 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:57:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <008e01bd924e$603da900$6ac72599@effie> Reply-To: "Lilla Slater" From: "Lilla Slater" To: Subject: 765D. Is it possible to extend memory beyond the stated max of 104 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 12:56:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is there a hardware device which would allow stacked memory ? Or, something that would allow larger mem chips to be used? Normal Memory Configuration: 16MB non-removable 16MB in slot 1 64 MB in slot 2 ---------- 96 MB total Note: you can reach 104MB, by replacing slot1 with a "special" 32MB which will only use 24 of the 32. Kingston sells this "special" 32MB memory part. Question: Can you use a place 32MB, or does it have to be the "special" 3MB? Thanks Lilla From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 16:57:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273573038; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:57:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28513; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:55:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28308; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (tomei.algonet.se [194.213.74.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28296; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806072055.QAA28296@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 2919 invoked from network); 7 Jun 1998 22:55:16 +0200 Received: from du101-0.ppp.algonet.se (HELO default) (195.100.0.101) by tomei.algonet.se with SMTP; 7 Jun 1998 22:55:16 +0200 Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helena_S=F6derholm?=" To: Subject: [755] Power Management Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:53:17 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Jonathan! Well just recently I've had some problems with that too, but on the whole I think the power management has worked OK. The battery never seem to go down to 0% though. I think the real problem with the 755 is that it was developed around 1994/95 or so, I'm not sure of the exact date, and therefore it wasnt designed to work with Win95 (which was released in 1996 if I recall correctly). I should think that everything works with Win3.1. There are even more problems with the video capture and Win95. There where a lot of fixes when Win95 was released. I would be quite surprised if the 770 screen wasn't better than the 755 but then again there is a ceratin price difference... /Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 17:26:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA276304780; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:26:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29376; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:24:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29217; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29201; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-036.usc.edu [128.125.223.36]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA25662 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806072123.OAA25662@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:23:09 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: TP 600: Zip Drive by VST Technologies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm not advertsing--just announcing. I'll probably get one when they're available. It would be *really* nice if you can boot from it too. I don't see why you *couldn't*...the BIOS supports a bootable CD-ROM. Is there any reason it *couldn't* boot from a Zip? --------------------------------------- http://www.vsttech.com/vstnews2.htm VST Technologies Announces Internal UltraslimBay=99 Zip100 Drives for IBM ThinkPad=99 600 ACTON, MA =97June 1998=97 VST Technologies today announced that they will so= on be shipping a new internal, removable Iomega=AE notebook Zip drive for IBM ThinkPad 600 Series introduced this month by IBM. The VST Zip100 drive will be ThinkPad Proven and is designed to provide ThinkPad owners unmatched storage capacity and performance, enabling simple, fast access to today's larger multimedia and graphics files, digital photos, Internet downloads and business presentations. "Iomegas latest 12.7mm height mechanisms enable users of the newest ultraslim notebooks full functionality without compromise. With an Iomega Zip drive already standard on many desktop systems worldwide, VST is happy to offer ThinkPad Proven Zip products for IBM ThinkPad UltraslimBay=99" said Vince Fedele, President and CEO of VST Technologies. VST Technologies began shipping the first internal Zip100 drives in 1997 with the introduction of models for IBM ThinkPads with the UltraBay I (755, 760 and 765 series) and the IBM ThinkPads with the UltraBay II (770 series) in February of this year. In addition, VST manufactures the Zip100 for NEC Versa notebooks with the VersaBay, for the Apple PowerBook series and Fujitsu LifeBook series notebook computers. The new VST Zip100 drives are user-installed in place of the floppy or CD-ROM. Users can simply remove the existing peripheral and snap in the new VST Zip100 drive. Included with every Zip drive is a Zip Tools disk which provides useful applications designed to help users take full advantage of the Zip drives features and functions. The notebook Zip drive is a personal storage solution specifically designed to meet the needs of mobile users with a 40 percent speed increase over the traditional Zip drive when saving, copying or moving files in Windows 95, WinNT, Win 3.11 & 3.0. Iomega;s 100MB Zip disks provide 70 times as much storage as a 1.44MB floppy. In addition, the Zip100 is about 40 percent faster than an external Zip drive, providing a truly portable, personal storage solution specifically designed for today's mobile users. "VST Technologies is helping ThinkPad customers maximize the potential of their notebooks", said Andy Grolnick, general manager, Zip OEM business at Iomega. "By providing the power and capacity of the 100MB Zip drive, VST is offering ThinkPad customers the same capabilities they would expect from their desktop systems." Availability and Pricing Suggested retail price for the VST Zip100 is $249.95. The VST Zip100 will be available for major distribution, mail order and computer retail chains in August of 1998. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 17:30:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA276545058; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:30:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29746; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:29:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29601; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29569; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 17:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-036.usc.edu [128.125.223.36]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id OAA26054; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806072129.OAA26054@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:28:52 -0700 To: Paula Lytle From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Replacing the "My Computer" Icon Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:49 PM 6/6/98 , Paula Lytle wrote: >Hello, I am a new Thinkpad owner (380D- not exactly up there on >musclebeach), but an old IBM laptop owner (still have the original IBM >notebook my 386- PS/2 note.) I was intrigued by the request from someone >(Randal Whittle?) for info on how to replace the "My Computer" icon with >the "Thinkpad" icon. If I remember correctly, he asked for it to be sent >to him directly. As I have been dragged kicking and screaming out of DOS, >I've been trying to minimize the pain, and I like the idea of >icon-substitution. If anyone has this info, would you please forward to me >as well? Thanks- First, I *think* you have to have the MS "Plus Pack" (I don't think this capability is standard in basic Win 95, though you may be able to employ some creative registry editing). From there, its on the "Plus" tab of the Video/Display options dialog box. Oh, and you'll need to get a kind soul to send you the TP Icons .DLL file. :-) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 19:14:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA294421272; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:14:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02413; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:09:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02189; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ha1.rdc1.il.home.com (siteadm@ha1.rdc1.il.home.com [24.2.1.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02177; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Default ([24.2.197.152]) by ha1.rdc1.il.home.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA13898 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:08:50 -0700 From: "Scott A. Stratmoen" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: NT on 770? Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 18:08:50 -0500 Message-Id: <000101bd9269$3b7cd4e0$0101a8c0@Default.mntp1.il.home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am curious if anyone has NT workstation 4 running on a 770. When I tried NT this weekend I encountered two areas where IBM's documentation didn't match the operation of the system. - When shutting down, the system did not power itself down. IBM states that shutdown power off is supported with NT 4 on the 770. - NT supports multiple hardware profiles. In theory if you have a profile for when the system is connected to a docking station the OS should determine this by itself and select the correct profile. This eliminating the need to manually select the correct profile during the boot process. It would appear that this is based upon the difference in available hardware for different hardware profiles (i.e. SCSI controller in the dock). Obviously I couldn't get NT to figure out on its own if the system was connected to the dock. With respect to supported hardware.... Is USB supported by NT's supplied drivers or something from IBM? I couldn't find anything on IBM's WEB site or on the NT CDROM. On the subject of power management I found that NT really wants to use the hard disk... Does anyone have any experience with run time for an NT system? __ Scott A. Stratmoen Stratss@home.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 7 19:19:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA295431593; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:19:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02792; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02655; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from value.net (root@value.net [204.188.125.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02642; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jtP (op77.value.net [209.182.130.77]) by value.net (8.8.7/8.7.4) with ESMTP id QAA24199 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806072318.QAA24199@value.net> From: "John Thomas" To: Subject: IBM 365XD...need ext floppy Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:18:01 -0700 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Need an external FDD w/connector for IBM 365XD (new/used)that connects to rear FDD port on my unit(desperate!)..any help/recommendations appreciated. Also,is there an adapter to make some other(brand/generic)external floppy work on my unit, or is this FDD proprietary? It would have to be one that draws power from the laptop I believe. Thank you in advance for any help. J. W.Thomas jt@tnahelp.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 00:26:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA042660014; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:26:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19418; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:23:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19176; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.mailsrvcs.net (smtp1.gte.net [207.115.153.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19154; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from effie (1Cust233.tnt4.redmond.wa.da.uu.net [153.37.202.233]) by smtp1.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id XAA05526; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:23:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <000a01bd9294$fea233e0$e9ca2599@effie> Reply-To: "Lilla Slater" From: "Lilla Slater" To: Cc: Subject: Re: 765D. Is it possible to extend memory beyond the stated max of 104 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:22:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jeff, here's where I read of the "special" memory part. Upon rereading, I see that the 8MB comes off of the 64MB, not the 32MB. So, your configuration does make sense. Clever the way they engineered it so you don't get the full use of the 64MB, therefore encouraging you to replace the 16 with a 32. http://www.kingston.com/catalog/memory/ibm164.htm The comments say: When installing a 64MB module, half of the non-removable memory (8MB) will be disabled. Although it is physically possible to install more memory, the system will only recognize 104MB maximum. 104MB** (1) KTM760ELD/32 ** Requires replacement of all standard memory where indicated. Lilla -----Original Message----- From: jeffj@ro.com To: Lilla Slater Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 8:45 PM Subject: Re: 765D. Is it possible to extend memory beyond the stated max of 104 >"Lilla Slater" said the following on the auspicious date >of 98-06-07: > >>Is there a hardware device which would allow stacked memory ? > >>Or, something that would allow larger mem chips to be used? > >>Normal Memory Configuration: >>16MB non-removable >>16MB in slot 1 >>64 MB in slot 2 >>---------- >>96 MB total > >Not quite. I have this configuration and it yields 88MB of RAM. The >documentation says this is normal. > >>Note: you can reach 104MB, by replacing slot1 with a "special" 32MB which >>will only use 24 of the 32. Kingston sells this "special" 32MB memory >>part. > >>Question: Can you use a place 32MB, or does it have to be the "special" >>3MB? > >I had no idea there was some special memory thingy. I'm already seeing the >lack of 8MB of RAM without using any special memory thingy, so my guess is >that no special thingy is needed. > >Does anyone else know if I'm right, or do I just have a peculiar memory >setup? > >-------------------------------------------------- >Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream > >Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ > OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup >"Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach > explode." -- Crow T. Robot > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 00:56:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA045641810; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:56:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20425; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20196; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.totcon.com (totcon.com [206.72.144.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20182; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:52:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199806080452.AAA20182@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from socrates ([206.72.144.94]) by mail.totcon.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-44068U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA219 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:53:53 -0400 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 98 23:51:22 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <008e01bd924e$603da900$6ac72599@effie> Subject: Re: 765D. Is it possible to extend memory beyond the stated max of 104 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "Lilla Slater" said the following on the auspicious date of 98-06-07: >Is there a hardware device which would allow stacked memory ? >Or, something that would allow larger mem chips to be used? >Normal Memory Configuration: >16MB non-removable >16MB in slot 1 >64 MB in slot 2 >---------- >96 MB total Not quite. I have this configuration and it yields 88MB of RAM. The documentation says this is normal. >Note: you can reach 104MB, by replacing slot1 with a "special" 32MB which >will only use 24 of the 32. Kingston sells this "special" 32MB memory >part. >Question: Can you use a place 32MB, or does it have to be the "special" >3MB? I had no idea there was some special memory thingy. I'm already seeing the lack of 8MB of RAM without using any special memory thingy, so my guess is that no special thingy is needed. Does anyone else know if I'm right, or do I just have a peculiar memory setup? -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 01:21:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049423318; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:21:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03754; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:41:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03631; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03619; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts9port6.port.net (ts9port6.port.net [207.38.252.6]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA15192 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ibmcss01.vxd Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:41:28 -0400 Message-Id: <3579383a.2720534@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm trying to update by PCMCIA driver on my TP560 using the latest files from the Thinkpad file matrix. The update can't find the file "IBMCSS01.VXD" - it looks in the windows cab files, but it's not there. Any idea where I might find this file? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 01:22:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA049463332; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:22:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20004; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:17:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19891; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19879; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p26.hwts13.loop.net (p26.hwts13.loop.net [207.211.62.191]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA05014; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 23:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806060616.XAA05014@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Eric Giles" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 23:17:02 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Screen burn on 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just hope that they >take care of my 'baby' during its stay in Memphis! Don't count on it. I guess others have had good experiances. When my 355C went in, it came out DEAD, only the HD would spin up (and luckily, the insurance company replaced it with my 701). Then, the first time the 701 was sent in, it came back in PIECES. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 03:07:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA061439636; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:07:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24286; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:03:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23963; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23947; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts11.loop.net (p01.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.106]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA16408; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806080703.AAA16408@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 00:03:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600: Zip Drive by VST Technologies Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:23:09 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > I'm not advertsing--just announcing. I'll probably get one when they're >available. It would be *really* nice if you can boot from it too. I don't >see why you *couldn't*...the BIOS supports a bootable CD-ROM. Is there any >reason it *couldn't* boot from a Zip? > I suppose that it would be a good idea, such as for installing operating systems, and still being able to modify the files for when it boots up. BTW, is NT and UNIX the only OSes that can boot up from a CD-ROM (besides Mac OS, but that's not for x86 architecture)? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 03:08:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA061569729; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:08:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24692; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:06:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24259; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24214; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts11.loop.net (p01.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.106]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA16655; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806080705.AAA16655@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Scott A. Stratmoen" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 00:06:03 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NT on 770? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >With respect to supported hardware.... Is USB supported by NT's supplied >drivers or something from IBM? >I couldn't find anything on IBM's WEB site or on the NT CDROM. > AFAIK, NT 4.0 would NOT have USB support on the CD-ROM (I have 4.0, and when I installed it, I did NOT see USB). >On the subject of power management I found that NT really wants to use the >hard disk... Does anyone have any experience with run time for an NT system? > I never used it on a mobile system, though I thought about it on my ThinkPad, but it is a real memory hog. Running on 16MB is like OS/2 on 4. More RAM will cost more, but will save on battery power, because you memory is faster than the HD, and you won't need to access the HD as much. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 05:39:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075208739; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:38:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04467; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:35:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04238; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04211; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pault (client-151-200-127-235.bellatlantic.net [151.200.127.235]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id FAA15006 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <00c801bd92c0$724f07c0$03000004@pault> From: "Paul Thomson" To: Subject: Re: mwave in Win98 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:33:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's working fine for me on a 760ED with the final build of Win98. If the problem is that the modem responds "OK", but tells you there's no dialtone, it could be the RJ-11 plug in the side of the box. They're notorious for going bad. They're easy to replace. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 03, 1998 12:05 PM Subject: mwave in Win98 >Folks, > >Has anyone a fix to get the mwave modem working in a beta of win98? A >friend of a friend has a thinkpad with beta 3 of win98. He installed the >drivers and the modem will respond "OK" but still won't work. > >Last I heard there wasn't a fix and I said so, but got to wondering if I >had blipped past a discussion of a fix in the recent past because it >didn't apply to me. > >So... > > >Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp >PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D >Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 11:09:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109368565; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:09:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17054; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:02:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16597; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.epix.net (mx.epix.net [199.224.64.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16585; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp40.epix.net [199.224.125.40]) by mx.epix.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/1998060201/Philippe Levan) with SMTP id LAA26174 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806081502.LAA26174@mx.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-To: jt@epix.net Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:57:34 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC Convertible X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.47a b48 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As I mentioned before, 8088, 512k ram, 2 3.5" drives, mono LCD. This was hardly a notebook size machine. AFAIK it was a bit thicker than a notebook, a shade wider, and quite a bit deeper. It had a builtin modem (IBM ^N command set, a trip in its own right) but any other accessories came in the form of extensions that plugged on to the back. I remember there being a CGA adapter, a parallel/serial adapter, and a thermal printer [slow, but it would make transparencies directly, handy in a business environment]. There was a 3rd party outfit that made a hard drive accessory (obviously, you needed to start the machine up from diskette to load the drivers). Good battery life, and resume mode long before any other machines had it. -- Julian & Mary Jane Thomas jt@epix.net http://www.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! -------------------------------------------------- Silence is evidence of a superb command of the language From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 11:18:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA110439099; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:18:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17972; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:16:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17823; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17811; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA29830; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:12:38 +0200 Received: from pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.108]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id RAA44932 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:15:38 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id RAA22892; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:15:38 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:15:34 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP 600, Linux Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, my name is Alexander Krumeich. I have not yet bought a ThinkPad but I am interested in the new 600 series, esp. in the 210 model (233 Pentium, 13" HPA, 3.2 GB, 32 MB). The decision to buy depends on the compatibility with Linux. A couple of questions have been bothering me: (1) What about the internal modem? Is it supported yet? (2) Has the support for the TI PCMCIA chipset improved? (Last thing I know is that the support was still experimental) (3) How does Linux handle the center button for the TrackPoint? Can I use it like a third (center) button on a conventional mouse? (4) Does Accelerated X (LX version) work properly with the machine? (5) Is there a driver for the sound chip in that machine? Thanks, Alexander Krumeich -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@heidelbg.ibm.com http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 11:26:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA111809583; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:26:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18732; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:24:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18553; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18526; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA19178 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD92D0.1F842A10@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:25:21 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD92D0.1F842A10@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: Thinkpad Subject: RE: Oldie still running Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:25:20 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I probably have one of the oldest Thinkpads around. No problems with battery life, either: no batteries. It is a 2.5"x4"(approx) leather-bound notepad, with white paper sheets. The leather is black and is embossed on the front with "Think" and an the back with "IBM", both in gold. It came with a gold colored pencil for input (both for word processing and graphics input), and you automatically got paper output! axel ps: I'm not quite sure how old it is, though. It's a family heirloom ;) On Saturday, June 06, 1998 10:28 PM, Bob Garagliano wrote: %Julian Thomas wrote: % %> No. The original IBM laptop was the PC Convertible. 8088, 2 3.5" %> floppies, no hard drive. Mono LCD display. Notable for offering %> suspend-resume long before any other laptops had it. % %The closest I have to that is an L-40 SX (286-20Mhz). ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 12:17:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA122302669; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:17:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21971; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:14:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21642; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21629; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13285 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28873; Mon, 8 Jun 98 12:16:16 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA20698 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:16:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ack, just got back from a week out sick. Since I made the original comment about using uncached memory for RAM drives or disk caches, let me elucidate. Just setting up a RAM drive or a disk cache is not enough. You have to map it to the area of memory that is uncached by the motherboard. I've never run into this problem so I haven't done it, but I know several people who have. Usually it's just a matter of configuring the RAM drive or disk cache to take memory >from the top of the memory address down (or down up - I don't remember exactly). The other way is to explicitly specifiy the memory address range in the software configuration. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 12:53:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA128254800; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:53:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24497; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:52:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24394; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24371; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA05029; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29181; Mon, 8 Jun 98 12:53:55 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA21609; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:54:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:54:10 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Paul Lee Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Panasonic KXL-D740 on Linux? In-Reply-To: <001801bd8f33$04285ca0$afad40ab@shekinah.stanford.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Paul Lee wrote: > Does anyone know if my portable CD-ROM (KXL-D740) will work on Linux? The > Panasonic web site has only DOS/Windows drivers, but I heard that Linux has > a generic SCSI CD driver. Will the CD-ROM player work with Linux? This is the 4x model, right? If so, I've got one on my 701 and yes, it will work almost just fine. The SCSI card is a QLogic. Some people have reported problems with it under Linux, but there's a source file patch to the driver module which seems to fix the problem. If you run into the problem (drive is recognized on SCSI init but not accessible), I can dig up the patch. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 13:05:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130575515; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:05:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17224; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:06:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16941; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kerplunk.csc.com (kerplunk.csc.com [20.1.10.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16893; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from va-fch34.vtc.csc.com ([20.1.6.97] helo=csc.com) by kerplunk.csc.com with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu id 0yj3UY-0005TU-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:05:46 -0400 Received: by csc.com(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP MTA v1.1.04 (495.1 10-24-1997)) id 8525661D.0052D0B0 ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:04:33 -0400 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: CSC To: Stratss@home.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <8625661D.0051EA27.00@csc.com> Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:56:00 -0500 Subject: Re: NT on 770? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have been using a 770 for about a month and a half. It came with Win95 but I immediately changed over to NT (not necessarily by choice, but because I have to run some things that don't work in 95). Since I wanted to change the disk partitioning setup (from 2-2GB partitions to 1-1GB FAT and 1-3GB NTFS) I just fdisk'ed and started from scratch. The IBM web site provided a good blueprint of how to install all of the ThinkPad drivers after NT was up. The page I used was http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/tps/uguide/770/770mst24.html#HDRINSNT. I have been looking for a way to cause the computer to shut off after an NT shutdown, but I've not found one. I don't recall seeing the info on IBM's site that you refer to about this capability. If you figure it out I'd love to know about it. I don't use multiple hardware profiles so I can't help you there. Scott A. Stratmoen wrote: I am curious if anyone has NT workstation 4 running on a 770. When I tried NT this weekend I encountered two areas where IBM's documentation didn't match the operation of the system. - When shutting down, the system did not power itself down. IBM states that shutdown power off is supported with NT 4 on the 770. - NT supports multiple hardware profiles. In theory if you have a profile for when the system is connected to a docking station the OS should determine this by itself and select the correct profile. This eliminating the need to manually select the correct profile during the boot process. It would appear that this is based upon the difference in available hardware for different hardware profiles (i.e. SCSI controller in the dock). Obviously I couldn't get NT to figure out on its own if the system was connected to the dock. With respect to supported hardware.... Is USB supported by NT's supplied drivers or something from IBM? I couldn't find anything on IBM's WEB site or on the NT CDROM. On the subject of power management I found that NT really wants to use the hard disk... Does anyone have any experience with run time for an NT system? __ Scott A. Stratmoen Stratss@home.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 13:05:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130625518; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:05:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25505; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25407; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25394; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-126.usc.edu [128.125.227.126]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA26372 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:03:36 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980608100344.00a3bbbc@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:03:53 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: oldie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have an old PS/2 N51X -- dual scan 386SX25 -- 8MB memory -- using external SupraFAXmodem 288 -- MS Windows 3.1 -- MS Office (barely -- pretty slow). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 13:38:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA136127514; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:38:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27681; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:36:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27374; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27362; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw5-20.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.147]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA11161 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:36:08 -0700 To: TP List From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: Re: TP 600: Zip Drive by VST Technologies In-Reply-To: <199806072123.OAA25662@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, At 02:23 PM 6/7/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > I'm not advertsing--just announcing. I'll probably get one when they're >available. It would be *really* nice if you can boot from it too. I don't >see why you *couldn't*...the BIOS supports a bootable CD-ROM. Is there any >reason it *couldn't* boot from a Zip? I just installed the VST Zip Drive in my brand-new 770ED (P266II) and it works great. The install was quick and easy under Win95 and the drive works fine. I'd highly recommend it. I haven't tried to boot from it yet, but it sure seems possible. I don't have time to give a full review of the new 770ED at this point, but so far it appears to be an incredible machine. I've participated on this mailing list over the last few years...having owned several ThinkPads (720, 755CX, 560), but this is without question the finest ThinkPad yet. Frankly, the TP 600 looks like a nice machine too, but as a commercial graphics/web designer, I need all of the disk space and screen size I can get in a portable. The 14.1" display in this 770ED is nothing short of amazing. I was stunned when I initially saw how bright the screen is...with amazing resolution...and lots of screen space for graphics manipulation. That, coupled with the UltraBay's ability to accept an extra battery, hard drive, Zip drive, etc., really made the difference for me. The most amazing thing I've seen so far is how long this 770ED runs under battery power. I've been cycling the Lithium-ion battery (as recommended by IBM) and timed how long it lasted last night while I installed new software (including network file transfers via the EtherNET pcmcia card I have installed)...I got 3 hours 50 minutes...even with the screen set to full brightness and with the harddisk/DVD/CDROM running a fair amount of time. I didn't believe the specs I read, but can now tell you it's for real. I did have some problems when I added an additional 64MB of SRAM (Dimm) >from "Simple Technology"...the TP became unstable. Win95 kept displaying "fatal exception" errors every couple of minutes while I was doing simple chores (i.e. changing screen color schemes). Once I removed the extra memory, the machine was fine again. I'm returning what appears to be a bad memory dimm and replacing it with a 64MB dimm made by IBM for this 770ED. Obviously, my main concern is whether the problem is a bad Simple Technology memory dimm or a problem with the 770ED in addressing the extra 64MB of memory...I guess we'll know in a couple of days...I expect to install the new dimm on Tuesday. My plan is to eventually load NT4.0 onto this 770ED...to have dual-boot capabilities with Win95. So far, I'm really impressed with the 770ED. More to follow. Regards, --sandy Reflections By Design From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 13:45:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137437918; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:45:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28473; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:43:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28288; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28260; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA12206 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29815; Mon, 8 Jun 98 13:45:35 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA22235 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:45:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: TP List Subject: Re: TP 600--Battery Times (Review, Part III) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > > Its *really* nice to have IBM bring in good (actually, *very* good) > battery life on a performer of this caliber and be *honest* about the > figures. When I bought the TP 750C about 4 years ago, one of the biggest > reasons I did so was the fact that it had a claimed battery life of 3.5 to > 8 hours. Now I never expected 8 hours, but I expected at *least* the 3.5. > It never came close--it was lucky to pull off 2 1/2 hours. It was *very* > angering and I almost sent the machine back. I made numerous calls to IBM Well, just to be thorough, the 750 came in both active matrix color and passive mono models. The 3.5-8 hour spec was used for both machines. I was (un?)fortunate enough to own the mono model. Battery life was typically 4 hours, 5.5 if I pushed it. Once, I loaded Doom onto a ramdrive, shut off the hard drive, and managed to play over 11 hours on a single charge. So while the 3.5-8 hour figure was blatantly false for the color model, it was pretty accurate, perhaps even a bit understated, for the mono model. I'm not trying to excuse their misadvertisement of the 3.5 lower limit on the 750C. With nearly everyone reporting 2.5 hours tops, it was false advertisement plain and simple. I'm just trying explain so folks where the !#@& that 8 hour figure came from. I could use my 750 in sunlight too, unlike those of you who were rich enough to buy the 750C. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 14:33:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA145240801; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:33:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02050; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01901; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01882; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:29:34 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Hello I'm new ! Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:33:42 -0700 Message-Id: <01bd930b$f660bc20$03785a8e@pmachule> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have one.....very cute TOY ;-} But does not work on the TP 760 series ..or at least I / we have not gotten one to work one a TP 760E .. NOTE: I was NOT aware that they made a PAL version . The unit I have is NTSC and I don't recall a switch. The Tuner could be better and is only good for OFF the Air signals i.e. it does not do cable . By this I mean it does not go above channel 13 . It does have direct video input so it can always use the tuner from a VCR. Video quality is not bad, but there is a certain digital quality to it . With only 256 colors available geyscales and dark scenes don't show ......much . If it does any better on a TP 755cx and other 64K color models, that would be interesting to find out. The TP 760E /ED are very good . I have a TP760E . Just be careful as IBM....as usual made 17 different version, all called 760 XX with significant differences between them . ...peter... >And another thing. > I'm also curious if anyone uses the Ultra Bay TV-tuner for the 755,760.. >I've always wanted to have one to watch TV on the train when I travel, or >move the computer to my kitchen to watch the news while doing my washing >up. I would consider this the most unnessesary luxury gadget one could ever >imagine. Therefore a must-have. :-) > >Best Regards >Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 16:26:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA170427559; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:25:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08492; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:23:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08325; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08297; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p233mmx (20715998146.bellatlantic.net [207.159.98.146]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id QAA28269 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980608161713.006c84a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:17:13 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Not so new to list, but hi! In-Reply-To: <8625661D.0051EA27.00@csc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I recently *resubscribed* to this list, so I'll introduce myself again. I currently own a ThinkPad 770 ( P233MMX, 14.1 TFT, 5.1gig, 64megs, Dock2). Before this beauty I owned a Toshiba 720CDT, NEC 6030X, Thinkpad 760C, TI 5000, ThinkPad 755, Thinkpad 360. You will notice the increase number of instances of IBM equipment. This is not a fluke. :) I mainly use my notebook in tandem with my desktop for Visual C/Basic and MS Access development. From time to time, I do Web coding (Back end, no graphical stuff...) and field trouble shooting. The bulk of my work, though, is with Microsoft's family of business solutions (No crys of "oxymoron!" please. ) from a developer's standpoint. I subcontract my services, so I find I need a dependable unit chocked full of my favorite apps usable from site to site. The TP770 fits the bill quite nicely. This is especially true when you find yourself crammed in a room trying to find out WHY X and Y applications crashed written by either yourself or resident in house MIS personnel or restructuring and fine tuning databases. I am very pleased with the unit, but as with most, I find myself gazing longingly at the newer 770EDs just released. Does anyone know exactly the speed differences between the 770ED and 770? Are there radical differences between the units, or is the 770ED merely a CPU upgrade? Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Voice: 609-293-9426 Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 16:47:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175578855; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:47:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09613; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:45:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09517; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09505; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a21.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.85]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27940; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:45:11 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <357C4D86.F42D96AC@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:45:58 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: billy@MIX.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760XL Accessories Needed? References: <01IX4ZHOJ27C972HIW@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was "hunting" today. Looks like there is another company providing Zip and Imation 120 drives, CNF. Their home page is at: http://www.cnfinc.com. James billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > > ZIP drive for Thinkpad which I saw mentioned > > here a while back. > > See www.vsttech.com for info. There's one for the 760s > and thick 755s (CDROM models) and another for the 770s. > > Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 17:35:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA186761749; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:35:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12971; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:33:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12797; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparky.harvard.edu. (sparky.harvard.edu [128.103.190.81]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12784; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.harvard.edu by sparky.harvard.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA27451; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:34:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:35:35 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sound Message-Id: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As if I don't have enough to worry about my recently-crashed 770-1AU... Have any of you tried to run Quick Time movies on the 1AU? My experience is that the new version of Quick Time (3.0) works but 2.1 doesn't: the problem is that a lot of software won't run on 3.0 yet eg. Adobe Acrobat. Has anyone got 2.1 to work on a 1AU? Secondly, have any of you managed to run Roland MIDI software on the 1AU? Lastly, have you found sound is ok on games? If you run a game that came with Windows 95 PLUS! called Space Cadet Pinball, the so-called "music" plays but the game sounds do not... So... I'll look forward to hearing what your experience has been with sound... --J! ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 18:22:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA199034573; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:22:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15000; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:21:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14900; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14887; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IXZXFE1UUO9770R3@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:21:15 MST Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:56:46 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Hello I'm new ! In-Reply-To: "Message dated Mon, 08 Jun 1998 14:51:35 -0700" <01bd9327$9b93bc40$03785a8e@pmachule> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IXZYDOW8ES9770R3@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >The one I have (66G3689, NTSC) goes up to channel 60-something which > >includes many USA cable channels. > Billy are you absolutely sure ? > The tuner goes to up to UHF channel 69 not to a cable channel. > At channel 13 (or so) it goes from VHF to UHF. There is a big group of cable channels in between the VHF and UHF on-the-air ranges that it doesn't get, then some more that it does. Doing a little reading after an Altavista search it looks like many older cable systems don't go past 470MHz where the USA's UHF broadcast range starts though... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 18:27:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA200954864; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:27:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15576; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:25:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15420; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15390; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05414 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980608151658.00a47a94@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:22:50 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: network card Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Recently I became a new owner of a 385XD TP and I'm interested in adding a network card [Xircom CBE-10/100 DTX has been suggested to me]. I have no clues regarding its compatibility with the 56k modem or how easy the thing would be to configure. There are two slots. There is no occasion for using both at the same time, but do I have to "stop" one and/or take it out before using the other? Any understandable information would be appreciated very much. Byerly Woodward From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 18:50:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA206756216; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:50:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16750; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16587; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16572; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p44-m5-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p44-m5-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.183.44]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ea277710 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <002301bd932f$1b344bc0$2cb71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: Sound Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:45:07 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Giday, I've got a 770-1AU and I found the sound problem too, in pinball and Pitfall (a cool win95 game) The solution to this is on IBM's web site under hints and tips, I think. You have to change the interupts of the sound card. It works and does not muck up anything else. If you can't find it e-mail me and I'll look it up. I've also got QT 2.1.2.59 on my machine. I never installed it, I guess it came with Adobe or something. This works perfectly, maybe some other software you have is conflicting with it. I know, definately not what you wanted to hear. BTW. The battery in my 770-1AU lasts over 4 hrs, with the hard drive running continuously, but just typing into word. Lasts about 3.5 - 4 hrs switching apps and thrashing the drive and DVD. Andreas!! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan E. D. Richmond To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 9:34 AM Subject: Sound > >As if I don't have enough to worry about my recently-crashed 770-1AU... > >Have any of you tried to run Quick Time movies on the 1AU? My experience >is that the new version of Quick Time (3.0) works but 2.1 doesn't: >the problem is that a lot of software won't run on 3.0 yet eg. Adobe >Acrobat. > >Has anyone got 2.1 to work on a 1AU? > >Secondly, have any of you managed to run Roland MIDI software on the >1AU? > >Lastly, have you found sound is ok on games? If you run a game that >came with Windows 95 PLUS! called Space Cadet Pinball, the so-called >"music" plays but the game sounds do not... > >So... I'll look forward to hearing what your experience has been with >sound... --J! > >----- > >Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 >Fellow (617) 496-3194 >Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 >Kennedy School of Government >Harvard University >Cambridge MA 02138 > >e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu >WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 8 21:22:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA233005369; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:22:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21865; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:19:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21701; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21686; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IY02QNKRPS9774QL@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:19:23 MST Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:32:01 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Hello I'm new ! In-Reply-To: "Message dated Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:41:33 -0700" <01bd9336$f83ff4e0$03785a8e@pmachule> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IY04LJJWIW9774QL@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > The Tuner is a VHF /UHF only model that in some of it's upper UHF channels > is close enough to certain cable channels to receive them. Here's a list of what I can get - Cable TV Tuner ----- -------- 66 = 15 67 = 16 68 = 17 69 = 18 70 = 19 71 = 20 72 = 21 73 = 22 74 = 23 75 = 24 76 = 25 77 = 26 78 = 27 Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 00:15:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268805747; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:15:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27815; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:11:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27571; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27556; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p27.hwts05.loop.net (p27.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.192]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA01535; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806090410.VAA01535@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Thomson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 11:16:16 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mwave in Win98 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 8 Jun 1998 05:33:06 -0400, Paul Thomson wrote: >It's working fine for me on a 760ED with the final build of Win98. If the >problem is that the modem responds "OK", but tells you there's no dialtone, >it could be the RJ-11 plug in the side of the box. They're notorious for >going bad. They're easy to replace. > > Try this string to dial. I have a dial tone detecting problem with my Home & Away card - ATX3DT555-1212 (or whatever the number is). X3 will dial regardless of whether there's a dial tone, but it stays on the line for you to hear one. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 00:53:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA273808001; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:53:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29427; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:49:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29274; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29262; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts07.loop.net (p01.hwts07.loop.net [207.211.61.226]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06134 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806090448.VAA06134@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 21:49:07 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Older ThinkPads Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While we're on the topic of older ThinkPads, has anyone here used either the 700T, 710T, or 730TE? I can't wait for my 710T to arrive (since it was supposed to replace my broken HP Omnigo, also a pen based machine). Also, in DOS or OS/2, do you just write letters on screen and it translates it into characters at a command line? And regarding the ThinkPad 300, has anyone else ever owned one of these, or know where to get parts? My LCD is broken, and it goes as slowly on 4MB as NT did on my Pentium at 16. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 00:59:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA274998340; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:59:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29938; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:54:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29699; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zip.com.au (mail.zip.com.au [203.12.97.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29686; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 00:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haggis.sentor.com.au (kenny93.zip.com.au [61.8.18.221]) by mail.zip.com.au (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA31977 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:54:17 +1000 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980609045418.00707438@zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@zip.com.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:54:18 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Scott Subject: Video Capture on 770 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Has anyone used the video capture stuff on their 770? I select the smallest resolution with no sound and still i cant capture video!! This worked fine on my 760. Any tricks? c. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 02:44:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291094658; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:44:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02836; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:41:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02688; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1a.yahoomail.com (send1a.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02675; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980609063957.5358.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com> Received: from [203.32.160.20] by send1a; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 23:39:57 PDT Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 23:39:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Scott Subject: DVD Region code idea... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I have been trying (with no success) to convert my TP 770 dvd from a region 4 to a region 1. I was told I just had to replace the allnode.dll in the windows\system directory with the region 1 file and restart. This does not work! However... on scaning the registry I came across the \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\IBM\IBMCD11\DVD entry. This entry contains 4 keys, i suspect that they match with the allnode.dll. If someone with a fully functional region 1 dvd player in their 770 could give me these 4 keys then perhaps I could solve the region code issue once and for all. any help appreciated.. c. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 04:08:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA298899721; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:08:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06708; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:03:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06428; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06414; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id EAA21908; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357B9AB8.60B84D99@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:03:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Not so new to list, but hi! References: <3.0.1.32.19980608161713.006c84a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark.. the P-II seems to cache more memory and is obviously a faster cpu.. apparent speed increase (unmeasured and unobserved for at least a week or more) is 10%.. maybe a bit more.. no time now to test and no benchmark app to use.. the preload is slightly different.. you get an 8.1gig HDD on the ED.. SO, a quick 4am recap.. 8.1gig, P-II 266 (better cpu), 64megs standard (32on MB and 32 in one DIMM slot).. memory is so cheap now, i'm starting to use it for postage stamps.. :-) IMO wait for the next itteration in 4th quarter unless you are ready to pay $5500 and let your 770-1AU go for $3k or less.. Mark Bell wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently *resubscribed* to this list, so I'll introduce > myself again. > > I currently own a ThinkPad 770 ( P233MMX, 14.1 TFT, 5.1gig, 64megs, Dock2). > Before this beauty I owned a Toshiba 720CDT, NEC 6030X, Thinkpad > 760C, TI 5000, ThinkPad 755, Thinkpad 360. You will notice > the increase number of instances of IBM equipment. This is > not a fluke. :) I mainly use my notebook in tandem with my desktop > for Visual C/Basic and MS Access development. From time to time, I do > Web coding (Back end, no graphical stuff...) and field trouble > shooting. The bulk of my work, though, is with Microsoft's family of > business solutions (No crys of "oxymoron!" please. ) from a > developer's standpoint. I subcontract my services, so I find I need > a dependable unit chocked full of my favorite apps usable from site > to site. The TP770 fits the bill quite nicely. This is especially true > when you find yourself crammed in a room trying to find out WHY X and > Y applications crashed written by either yourself or resident in house > MIS personnel or restructuring and fine tuning databases. I am very pleased > with the unit, but as with most, I find myself gazing longingly at the > newer 770EDs just released. > > Does anyone know exactly the speed differences between the 770ED and 770? > Are there radical differences between the units, or is the 770ED merely > a CPU upgrade? > > Mark Bell > ElectroSoft Consulting > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Voice: 609-293-9426 > Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 04:18:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA299980328; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:18:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07540; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:13:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07285; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07051; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IY0L4MU0PCAEZLIJ@cc.usu.edu> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:12:55 MST Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 02:12:46 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: Not so new to list, but hi! To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <357CEE7E.4BE36424@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.1.32.19980608161713.006c84a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <357B9AB8.60B84D99@icanect.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill, Send me a few letters... ;-) Bill Morrow wrote: > memory is so cheap now, i'm starting to use it for postage stamps.. :-) -Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 04:38:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA002541489; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:38:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08219; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:29:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08103; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08091; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id EAA22160; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357B9B6F.79D5A3CC@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:06:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sound References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jonathan.. i actually had little to no trouble getting anything to run on my 770-1AU machine.. Riven, DVD movies all worked OK.. space cadet too, i think, though not lately.. Jonathan E. D. Richmond wrote: > As if I don't have enough to worry about my recently-crashed 770-1AU... > > Have any of you tried to run Quick Time movies on the 1AU? My experience > is that the new version of Quick Time (3.0) works but 2.1 doesn't: > the problem is that a lot of software won't run on 3.0 yet eg. Adobe > Acrobat. > > Has anyone got 2.1 to work on a 1AU? > > Secondly, have any of you managed to run Roland MIDI software on the > 1AU? > > Lastly, have you found sound is ok on games? If you run a game that > came with Windows 95 PLUS! called Space Cadet Pinball, the so-called > "music" plays but the game sounds do not... > > So... I'll look forward to hearing what your experience has been with > sound... --J! > > ----- > > Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 > Fellow (617) 496-3194 > Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 > Kennedy School of Government > Harvard University > Cambridge MA 02138 > > e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu > WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 04:38:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA002591531; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:38:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08654; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:34:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08416; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08404; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id EAA24730; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 04:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357BA266.C55CB4D4@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:35:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Lilla Slater Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, jeffj@ro.com Subject: Re: 765D. Is it possible to extend memory beyond the stated max of 104 References: <000a01bd9294$fea233e0$e9ca2599@effie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu HUH..!! Lilla Slater wrote: > Jeff, here's where I read of the "special" memory part. Upon rereading, I > see that the 8MB comes off of the 64MB, not the 32MB. So, your configuration > does make sense. Clever the way they engineered it so you don't get the full > use of the 64MB, therefore encouraging you to replace the 16 with a 32. > yeah, right..and the Oil Companies have been supressing the water fueled engine for 50 years.. thre 760E series was not intended to use more than 80megs.. apricorn then fooled IBM and everyone else when they did a 64meg DIMM carrier.. (later redone as a 32meg DIMM carrier) note that on the original IBM DIMM carrier, 8megs was added to give the base 760ED 16megs.. to get to 104 megs, the 8meg on the original DIMM carrier had to be mapped out of existance.. there are 4 memory lines on the 760ED.. the syustem board uses one for its 8megs.. the DIMM carrier used another for ITS 8megs.. leaving one each for the DIMM sockets.. its late and i'm not so coherent about this but i was there and i sold those 64meg DIMM carriers.. kingston is full of it..!!! get Apricorn or Viking or GoldenRam.. mix any of it.. just stick the 64 in the right socket and ANY 64 will work with ANY 32.. (kingston excluded) geeze..!!! > http://www.kingston.com/catalog/memory/ibm164.htm > > The comments say: > When installing a 64MB module, half of the non-removable memory (8MB) will > be disabled. > > Although it is physically possible to install more memory, the system will > only recognize 104MB maximum. > > 104MB** (1) KTM760ELD/32 > > ** Requires replacement of all standard memory where indicated. > > Lilla > > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffj@ro.com > To: Lilla Slater > Date: Sunday, June 07, 1998 8:45 PM > Subject: Re: 765D. Is it possible to extend memory beyond the stated max of > 104 > > >"Lilla Slater" said the following on the auspicious date > >of 98-06-07: > > > >>Is there a hardware device which would allow stacked memory ? > > > >>Or, something that would allow larger mem chips to be used? > > > >>Normal Memory Configuration: > >>16MB non-removable > >>16MB in slot 1 > >>64 MB in slot 2 > >>---------- > >>96 MB total > > > >Not quite. I have this configuration and it yields 88MB of RAM. The > >documentation says this is normal. > > > >>Note: you can reach 104MB, by replacing slot1 with a "special" 32MB which > >>will only use 24 of the 32. Kingston sells this "special" 32MB memory > >>part. > > > >>Question: Can you use a place 32MB, or does it have to be the "special" > >>3MB? > > > >I had no idea there was some special memory thingy. I'm already seeing the > >lack of 8MB of RAM without using any special memory thingy, so my guess is > >that no special thingy is needed. > > > >Does anyone else know if I'm right, or do I just have a peculiar memory > >setup? > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > >Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream > > > >Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ > > OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup > >"Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach > > explode." -- Crow T. Robot > > > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 06:44:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA014669061; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:44:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15794; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:42:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15648; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic-ocean.carlson-marketing.co.uk (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15589; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 06:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:39:50 +0100 Message-Id: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: TP770ED and movies Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:42:59 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anybody used their machine to watch DVD movies? if so I have a few questions:- How does the movie look on the screen? is it full screen? is it stable? does it stop and start etc How does it sound through the internal speakers? Has anybody tried to output the movie to a TV? Thank you From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 07:39:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA021272362; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:39:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17537; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:38:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17409; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17393; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 07:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA06368; Tue, 9 Jun 98 07:37:47 EDT Message-Id: <357D1E24.1F8587DE@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 07:36:05 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray, Pete" Cc: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: TP770ED and movies References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Murray, Pete wrote: > Has anybody used their machine to watch DVD movies? if so I have a few > questions:- > > How does the movie look on the screen? is it full screen? is it stable? > does it stop and start etc Yes, stable and full screen. I think you can use arbitrary sizes. What do you mean stop and start? Sure, it pauses. > How does it sound through the internal speakers? Not too bad. > Has anybody tried to output the movie to a TV? Yes, with audio going to a stereo system. It looked and sounded great. I could not hook up through my VCR as it would roll all over the place (copy protection?). That was a pain because my VCR has convenient jacks on the front. I was not trying to copy the movie. Having said all this, I watched exactly *one* DVD in the four months I used the machine. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 10:23:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA041822239; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:23:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24391; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:20:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24145; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24130; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA06408 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:19:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:19:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Todd Miller To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ISP in NYC Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My daughter is moving to New York City to do graduate work at Columbia University. She has asked me to help her find an ISP in NYC. Can anybody on this list recommend an Internet Service Provider there? Ray Bayles raybay@broadcast.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 11:39:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA055496770; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:39:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28061; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:34:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27788; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27776; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop ([129.37.196.127]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA77722; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:33:52 GMT Message-Id: <357D553E.5EA9@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:31:10 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List , Todd Miller Subject: Re: ISP in NYC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Todd Miller wrote: > > My daughter is moving to New York City to > do graduate work at Columbia University. > She has asked me to help her find an ISP > in NYC. > > Can anybody on this list recommend an Internet > Service Provider there? > > Ray Bayles > raybay@broadcast.net I don't know about any local ISP's in NYC, but I know that IBM makes a very good ISP. However, they are now $19.95 for 100 hours per month not 24hours a day. They are consistently in the top 5 or 10 in the ratings for speed and service. Their URL is WWW.IBM.NET From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 11:59:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA058927950; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:59:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28972; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:58:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28895; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28883; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA14560; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357C0A47.E7FC59D1@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:59:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Alvandian Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Not so new to list, but hi! References: <3.0.1.32.19980608161713.006c84a4@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <357B9AB8.60B84D99@icanect.net> <357CEE7E.4BE36424@cc.usu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry.. all the 4meg and 8meg stamps are gone.. :-) but, seriously, whats an 8meg card worth..!!??! not much..! because it uses a slot that a 32meg can be slipped into.. i have a 701C i use as a printer server and more and i use a throwaway 8meg DIMM just to keep win95B running.. :-) Greg Alvandian wrote: > Bill, > Send me a few letters... ;-) > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > memory is so cheap now, i'm starting to use it for postage stamps.. :-) > > -Greg A. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 12:03:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA059938184; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:03:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29398; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:01:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29277; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29254; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA15643; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357C0B0A.CB461C55@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:02:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray, Pete" Cc: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: TP770ED and movies References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Pete.. Yes.. runs fine.. note: i bought 3 movies just to test it.. get them at Best Buy.. they have a good selection at reasonable prices.. i did this on my 770-1AU, but no interest to gwet it up on the 770ED-5AU.. been busy with other stuff.. Murray, Pete wrote: > Has anybody used their machine to watch DVD movies? if so I have a few > questions:- > > How does the movie look on the screen? is it full screen? is it stable? > does it stop and start etc > letterbox format.. i.e. bands across top and bottom, full width because of the aspect difference.. > How does it sound through the internal speakers? > excellent.. > Has anybody tried to output the movie to a TV? > no.. > Thank you -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 12:06:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA060428392; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:06:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29846; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:04:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29706; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29689; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA16804; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357C0BD0.9A9EDCE9@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 12:05:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray, Pete" Cc: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: TP770ED and movies References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Pete.. one more thing.. there were/are issues with some dual layer(?) DVD-CD's.. like First Contact.. stuttering at a certain 'scene'.. this was a bug in the movie player software i think.. it was a while ago.. Murray, Pete wrote: > Has anybody used their machine to watch DVD movies? if so I have a few > questions:- > > How does the movie look on the screen? is it full screen? is it stable? > does it stop and start etc > > How does it sound through the internal speakers? > > Has anybody tried to output the movie to a TV? > > Thank you -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 13:15:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA075482534; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:15:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03778; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:13:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03602; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.walrus.com (frog.walrus.com [206.24.16.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03583; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-extgw1.walrus.com (root@tweedledee.walrus.com [206.24.16.12]) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id NAA01857; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.walrus.com (davidc@walrus1.walrus.com [206.24.16.2]) by mail-extgw1.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id MAA16390; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (davidc@localhost) by mail2.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with SMTP id MAA22384; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: walrus1.walrus.com: davidc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:43:54 -0400 (EDT) From: David Carrigan To: Vernon Wankerl Cc: ThinkPad List , Todd Miller Subject: Re: ISP in NYC In-Reply-To: <357D553E.5EA9@ibm.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have used Intellitec for many years (http://www.walrus.com (212) 460-5000 ) I tried IBM, AT&T, earthlink and Compuserve for more global support AND local too, but NYC is not serviced well by any of the big companies... so I have reliable local, cheap and compuserve. dc On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Vernon Wankerl wrote: > Todd Miller wrote: > > > > My daughter is moving to New York City to > > do graduate work at Columbia University. > > She has asked me to help her find an ISP > > in NYC. > > > > Can anybody on this list recommend an Internet > > Service Provider there? > > > > Ray Bayles > > raybay@broadcast.net > > I don't know about any local ISP's in NYC, but I know that IBM makes a > very good ISP. However, they are now $19.95 for 100 hours per month not > 24hours a day. They are consistently in the top 5 or 10 in the ratings > for speed and service. Their URL is WWW.IBM.NET > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 13:23:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA077702989; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:23:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04500; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:22:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04420; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (root@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04405; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA06491 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806091642.JAA06491@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: 770 vs 770ed Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For 32 bit sw, the 770ed should be about 1.5x the speed of a 233 mhz 770. This is noticable, but not enough to justify an upgrade in most circumstansces imho. The other significant difference is the 770ed has 4 meg of video ram while the 770 has just 2 meg. That means the 770ed can do 24 bit color at 1024x768, while the 770 can't. This is significant if you use programs like Photoshop. I think it's a serious bug in the 770 that it has only 2 meg. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 13:26:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA078303194; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:26:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04881; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:25:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04793; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04773; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IY123790VK975L6E@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:25:02 MST Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 10:18:52 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: ISP in NYC In-Reply-To: "Message dated Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:19:55 -0600 (MDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01IY12BS2KVK975L6E@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > My daughter is moving to New York City to > do graduate work at Columbia University. > She has asked me to help her find an ISP > in NYC. Columbia itself is a pretty decent "ISP" - I have an account there because I maintain the PDP-11 Kermit. I noticed they added to their modem pool recently too, although I don't dial in - hopefully they're not having any busy signal problems... Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 14:19:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA086546378; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:19:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07670; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:16:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07414; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07401; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA09210; Tue, 9 Jun 98 14:11:32 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <357D7AD0.D3F6F0D2@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:11:29 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 vs 770ed References: <199806091642.JAA06491@netcom8.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I seriously doubt 1.5. I see about 1.3 going from a 233 Pentium 770 to a 266 Pentium II 600. I would think the 600 is very close to a 770 given that it uses the same processors, memory, chipsets, etc. (i.e., when disk speed is not a factor). This is running a speech recognition benchmark in Linux. Further, the 770 was hindered by uncacheable memory (it had 96MB), whereas the 600 can cache all of its 160MB. Can one really tell the difference between 24bpp and 16bpp on a TFT? I've never seen 24bpp on a TFT, but I thought I read that a TFT can't really resolve color better than 15bpp. Just curious. --Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 15:44:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA101271495; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:44:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12186; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:41:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11989; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11975; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1ho.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.56]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA28533; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:09:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Todd Miller" Cc: Subject: RE: ISP in NYC Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:10:06 -0400 Message-Id: <000801bd93da$36c9f280$398656d1@770> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't know about any local services, but Mindspring has a good set of numbers here. Their ISDN service is particularly good. I suggest to anyone getting a new phone line in NYC that they get an ISDN line, not an analog line. There really is not that much of a cost difference here, but on a student's income??? -Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Todd Miller [mailto:kglp@cia-g.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 10:20 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ISP in NYC My daughter is moving to New York City to do graduate work at Columbia University. She has asked me to help her find an ISP in NYC. Can anybody on this list recommend an Internet Service Provider there? Ray Bayles raybay@broadcast.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 16:15:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA108483325; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:15:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14365; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:13:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14245; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14233; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (slip129-37-34-174.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.34.174]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA05206 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:13:41 GMT Message-Id: <00ca01bd93e3$38a15b80$ae222581@expwncog> From: "Geoffrey A. Silver" To: Subject: TP 770 and WIN98 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:14:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone experience with WIN98 on the TP770 9549-1AU? Because this computer has so many proprietary drivers, I am concerend about updating Windows without IBM's seal-of-approval. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Geoffrey A. Silver NOSPAM gsilver1@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 16:21:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109833704; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:21:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15158; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:20:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15034; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CS.Princeton.EDU (root@CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.136.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15003; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toreltp (toreltp.CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.92.90]) by CS.Princeton.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA01450; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:17:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tore Larsen" To: "Murray, Pete" , "Thinkpad Digest" Subject: RE: TP770ED and movies Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:18:12 -0400 Message-Id: <000001bd93e3$ba918480$5a5c7080@toreltp.cs.princeton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Pete, I don't know about the 770ED in particular. My 770 (9549-1A0) plays = DVD's just fine.=20 The display allows you to use all available aspect ratios as far as I = can tell. The contrast, even if fine for computer work, is not as good = as you will get from a good TV. I have used the RCA-connection because = my set doesn't have a S-VHS connection. I do expect the S-VHS connection = to offer even better pictures. On the TV your selection of available aspect ratios may depend on your = TV set.=20 You may stop, play, still, FF, & FB the movie. There is a l-o-n-g delay = hindering your precise control of the playback. There is no slow motion. I have only used Stereo sound. From my limited setup it sounds very = good. Displaying through your TV-set, you will miss a remote-control. __ Tore From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 16:31:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA113064303; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:31:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16110; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:30:08 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15963; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA24783; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08664; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA19208; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806091837.LAA19208@netcom8.netcom.com> To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu, phr@netcom.com Subject: Re: 770 vs 770ed Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Linux measurements I've seen indicate that a PII is 1.5x as fast as a Pentium of the same clock speed. Oh yes, the caching thing (770ed can cache all its memory, 770 only the first 64 meg). If you're running billware, ymmv. The difference between 16 and 24 bit color can be really obvious. 16 bit color is only 32 levels per primary. If you show a solid red band that gradually changes from light to dark red across the width of the screen, it's pretty easy to see the discrete jumps when there's just 32 levels. In photographs, the effect is most noticable when you have big areas full of detailed slight variations of shades of the same color, such as skin or foliage. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 16:36:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA115084595; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:36:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16962; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:34:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16616; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16470; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rjw-laptop (ppp-223-207.usc.edu [128.125.223.207]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA03820; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806092032.NAA03820@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:31:59 -0700 To: I Lee Hetherington From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: 770 vs 770ed Cc: Paul Rubin , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <357D7AD0.D3F6F0D2@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199806091642.JAA06491@netcom8.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:11 AM 6/9/98 , I Lee Hetherington wrote: >I seriously doubt 1.5. I see about 1.3 going from a 233 Pentium 770 to >a 266 Pentium II 600. I would think the 600 is very close to a 770 >given that it uses the same processors, memory, chipsets, etc. (i.e., >when disk speed is not a factor). This is running a speech recognition >benchmark in Linux. Further, the 770 was hindered by uncacheable memory >(it had 96MB), whereas the 600 can cache all of its 160MB. I still think that difference is dubious at best. For what its worth, the 770 and the 600, each with P-II 266's, did perform somewhat differently on benchmarks conducted by on of the ZD rags. The 770 was a top performer while the 600 was somewhat middling. However, the difference between top-end and bottom was for the most part miniscule. Photo finishes matter to those betting on the horses, but in normal usage, I sincerely doubt it really matters to me that you can boot into Win 95 with your 770 two seconds faster than I can with my 600. As long as I'm not literally *waiting* for the machine, then I don't consider it "slow" and don't care what a benchmark has to say about it. >Can one really tell the difference between 24bpp and 16bpp on a TFT? >I've never seen 24bpp on a TFT, but I thought I read that a TFT can't >really resolve color better than 15bpp. Just curious. I'd have to agree with you. I don't know what the max colors are on a TFT now, but I know its not like a real monitor. Personally, I wouldn't try to do serious photo editing work (and I have done more than a little) on a TFT anyway, so I don't worry about whether I can get 24-bit color on my laptop. 16-bit is just fine and I can view / do some minor editing of photos with that depth. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 16:43:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA116295012; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:43:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17896; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:42:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17781; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17760; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980609204136.4123.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.105.30.36] by send1e; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:41:36 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Bernard Duchesne Reply-To: Bernard Duchesne Subject: Removing stickers on palmrest To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers (Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? Thanks == -------------------------------------- Bernard Duchesne On contract at SAP Labs R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 16:57:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA118185838; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:57:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16408; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16046; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (theta2.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16012; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camelot.mcbl.ucl.ac.uk (ciscoserv-227-053.usc.edu [128.125.227.53]) by theta2.ben2.ucla.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA30458 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:30:24 -0700 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980609133031.00a3c2a4@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> X-Sender: aannala@mail.nuc.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:30:41 -0700 To: From: "Alexander J. Annala" Subject: Docking Options for Thinkpad 760CD 120MHz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could someone please send me a note explaining my docking options for use with an IBM Thinkpad 760CD? There are apparently several IBM docking stations on the market - Dock I, Dock II, SelectADock I, SelectADock II, etc. Which ones will work with my Thinkpad -- remember the Thinkpad 760CD is an ISA based Thinkpad. What is contained in each relevant docking station by default and what is optional? For example, I heard Dock I comes with IDE CD but may or may not have SCSI card. I heard Dock I comes with two additional PCMCIA slots and two ISA slots. Is the Dock I CD-ROM an IDE device -- this is important for loading Solaris & SCO UNIX. I'm thinking about buying a used Dock I in new condition which is said to have been bought new about six months ago never used and still in the box with full documentation. Thanks, Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. UCLA School of Medicine From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 17:10:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA121036651; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:10:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19515; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:03:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19203; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19189; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw4-50.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.113]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04515 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806092103.OAA04515@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:03:45 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: TP770ED memory and DVD problems... In-Reply-To: <000001bd93e3$ba918480$5a5c7080@toreltp.cs.princeton.edu> References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello All, When I added an extra 64MB of SDRAM to my new 770ED (9549-5AU), it started to experience random errors while under Win95. Remove the memory (IBM-brand) and the problem goes away. It also consistantly "hangs" while doing the system memory test via the BIOS. So it appears I have a problem with the TP's system board. This 770ED is new...was delivered last week. I called IBM today and they confirmed that one of their ECO's (engineering call outs) confirms problems with system boards with specific part numbers. However, my 770ED's board was NOT one of those boards. I had the choice of returning the TP to CDW for replacement, but that doesn't guarantee me that the next 770ED (probably from the same batch) wouldn't experience the problem. So, I took IBM's advise and will send the TP in for repair. Also, I couldn't get the DVD to play a DVD movie. IBM's instruction sheet for the DVD indicates that a diskette is included with all 770ED's shipped within the US to setup the DVD for "region 1". Unfortunately, no diskette was provided with this TP. So, I asked IBM to resolve this while the machine is in for repair. So, if you're buying a 770ED, I suggest you make sure it's tested with >64MB of memory. You might have one of these bad system boards and not know it. Obviously, I don't like the idea of having to send a brand-new (and expensive) machine in for repair, but problems with new products are not that unusual...even with IBM. Overall, I'm still very pleased with the performance of this 770ED...still the best ThinkPad I've used to date and I'm sure it will give me good service once the initial bugs are ironed out. --sandy sandy@sandy.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 17:10:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA121086658; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:10:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19441; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:04:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19278; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19249; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980609210347.11019.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.105.30.36] by send1b; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:03:47 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bernard Duchesne Reply-To: Bernard Duchesne Subject: [TP600] Sound glitches To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've noticed some glitches with respect to sound on the TP600. 1) I haven't found a way to turn the machine from beeping a couple of times when booting. I work in a quiet environment and this is troubblesome. I've tried to disable the sound both in software (control panel) and through the fn-backspace keeys (the TP600 doesn't have a manual volume control). 2) From time to time, some high pitch electronic noise can be heard (by those with good hears) when moving the cursor over buttons. This noise is still present even when turning off the volume (Fn-Backspace). Does anyone have the same problems? Solutions? Thanks == -------------------------------------- Bernard Duchesne On contract at SAP Labs R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 18:02:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA130709722; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:02:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22299; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:00:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22174; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mlc.de ([195.4.240.25]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22162; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by mail.mlc.de(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id 4125661E.007E8D83 ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:17 +0100 X-Lotus-Fromdomain: MLC RATINGEN@MLCEXTERN To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <4125661E.007E453C.00@mail.mlc.de> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:12 +0100 Subject: [TP offtopic] RE: ISP in NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What does this have to do with ThinkPads? Regards, Stefan Tilkov From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 18:44:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA137872284; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:44:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24134; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:43:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23975; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23962; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA06291; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357DBA93.2DFE78C8@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 18:43:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP770ED memory and DVD problems... References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> <199806092103.OAA04515@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sandy.. that does not sound like the classic memory bug.. (which only bugged you if you had TWO DIMM's, not one 64meg) but they'll solder the jumper on the planar board and hopefully things will sort ythem selves out.. i would have exchanged the memory first, before sending the machine off to easy serve.. if you still need a region-1 diskette, let me know and i'll e-mail you the two files that you need.. Sandy Meltzer wrote: > Hello All, > > When I added an extra 64MB of SDRAM to my new 770ED (9549-5AU), it started > to experience random errors while under Win95. Remove the memory > (IBM-brand) and the problem goes away. It also consistantly "hangs" while > doing the system memory test via the BIOS. So it appears I have a problem > with the TP's system board. This 770ED is new...was delivered last week. > > I called IBM today and they confirmed that one of their ECO's (engineering > call outs) confirms problems with system boards with specific part numbers. > However, my 770ED's board was NOT one of those boards. I had the choice > of returning the TP to CDW for replacement, but that doesn't guarantee me > that the next 770ED (probably from the same batch) wouldn't experience the > problem. So, I took IBM's advise and will send the TP in for repair. > > Also, I couldn't get the DVD to play a DVD movie. IBM's instruction sheet > for the DVD indicates that a diskette is included with all 770ED's shipped > within the US to setup the DVD for "region 1". Unfortunately, no diskette > was provided with this TP. So, I asked IBM to resolve this while the > machine is in for repair. > > So, if you're buying a 770ED, I suggest you make sure it's tested with > >64MB of memory. You might have one of these bad system boards and not > know it. > > Obviously, I don't like the idea of having to send a brand-new (and > expensive) machine in for repair, but problems with new products are not > that unusual...even with IBM. Overall, I'm still very pleased with the > performance of this 770ED...still the best ThinkPad I've used to date and > I'm sure it will give me good service once the initial bugs are ironed out. > > --sandy > sandy@sandy.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 18:51:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA139412701; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:51:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24667; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:50:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24566; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24546; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA19222; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:49:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Todd Miller To: Bernard Duchesne Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest In-Reply-To: <19980609204136.4123.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Goo Gone, Label Off, and Goo Off are three that work very well and are available at supermarkets.... They are oily, so you must then clean off thier oily residue with a light spray cleaner... even windex... Apply this light oily substance with a Q-tip or other applicator and be conservative. Wait ten minutes, then wife off with a soft cloth... then the spray cleaner... also apply with Q-tip or soft cloth.. Leaves no permanent mark ray On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Bernard Duchesne wrote: > I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers > (Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of > glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that > will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? > Thanks > > > > > == > -------------------------------------- > Bernard Duchesne > On contract at SAP Labs > R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 18:55:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140062941; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:55:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25167; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:54:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25049; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25019; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a34.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.98]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23599; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:54:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <357DBD59.5F162947@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 15:55:21 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Docking Options for Thinkpad 760CD 120MHz References: <3.0.32.19980609133031.00a3c2a4@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Alexander J. Annala wrote: > > Could someone please send me a note explaining my docking options > for use with an IBM Thinkpad 760CD? There are apparently several > IBM docking stations on the market - Dock I, Dock II, SelectADock > I, SelectADock II, etc. Which ones will work with my Thinkpad -- > remember the Thinkpad 760CD is an ISA based Thinkpad. > > What is contained in each relevant docking station by default and > what is optional? For example, I heard Dock I comes with IDE CD > but may or may not have SCSI card. I heard Dock I comes with two > additional PCMCIA slots and two ISA slots. Is the Dock I CD-ROM > an IDE device -- this is important for loading Solaris & SCO UNIX. The DOCK I accepts the IBM CD-ROM II only. The DOCK II has two "narrow" SCSI slots, one is a 1" high slot and requires a special adaptor to install a "standard" 3 1/2" wide 1" high hard drive. The second slot is a standard 5 1/2" half height slot, but requires special rails to hold the device in place. The DOCK II has an Adaptec 1510/636x SCSI card. To use IDE devices in it requires the use of an adapter card. The DOCK II includes a secondary PC Card adapter which supports two PC Card slots. It can be used with 75x, 360 and 76x series Thinkpads. > > I'm thinking about buying a used Dock I in new condition which is > said to have been bought new about six months ago never used and > still in the box with full documentation. Make sure you can get the CD-ROM. They are not stocked by IBM and are hard to find. James From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:00:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA140363256; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:00:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25774; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:59:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25642; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25619; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA12551; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357DBE75.AFD47D61@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:00:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Alexander J. Annala" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Docking Options for Thinkpad 760CD 120MHz References: <3.0.32.19980609133031.00a3c2a4@mail.nuc.ucla.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Alexander.. the differences between the selectadock system and old dock-1 and 2 are too numerous to list.. just a bit of advice.. pay NO MORE than $50 for the dock-1.. i don't care HOW new it is, it is OBSOLETE and can not really be used on anything beyond your 760C series thinkpad.. Alexander J. Annala wrote: > Could someone please send me a note explaining my docking options > for use with an IBM Thinkpad 760CD? There are apparently several > IBM docking stations on the market - Dock I, Dock II, SelectADock > I, SelectADock II, etc. Which ones will work with my Thinkpad -- > remember the Thinkpad 760CD is an ISA based Thinkpad. > the old dock-1 and dock-2 will work on your 760C series TP.. > What is contained in each relevant docking station by default and > what is optional? For example, I heard Dock I comes with IDE CD > not true.. no CD included..unless added by the previous owner.. > but may or may not have SCSI card. I heard Dock I comes with two > both have SCSI i/o..the dock-2 is a better version though.. both are Adaptec SCSI.. > additional PCMCIA slots and two ISA slots. Is the Dock I CD-ROM dock-1 one ISA slot,dock-2 2 ISA slots.. both have additional 2 PCMCIA slots.. > an IDE device -- this is important for loading Solaris & SCO UNIX. > i THINK the CD's are both SCSI, but i'm not sure.. > I'm thinking about buying a used Dock I in new condition which is > said to have been bought new about six months ago never used and > still in the box with full documentation. > remember, its obsolete and mostly worthless..$50 is fair.. > Thanks, > > Alexander J. Annala, Ph.D. > UCLA School of Medicine -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:03:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA141103391; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:03:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26154; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:01:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25990; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25958; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA13387; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357DBEED.D48B1A6B@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:02:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Geoffrey A. Silver" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 770 and WIN98 References: <00ca01bd93e3$38a15b80$ae222581@expwncog> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Win98 works fine(?) on 770.. except for a hibernate/suspend problem which is well known.. i'm up to RC-2 and its ok.. JUST ok.. i may stay with OSR2.1 or 2.5 but time will tell.. Geoffrey A. Silver wrote: > Has anyone experience with WIN98 on the TP770 9549-1AU? > Because this computer has so many proprietary drivers, I am concerend about > updating Windows without IBM's seal-of-approval. > > Any feedback is greatly appreciated. > > Geoffrey A. Silver > NOSPAM gsilver1@ibm.net -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:05:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA141393523; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:05:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26539; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:03:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26343; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26328; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw4-50.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.113]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA17994; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806092303.QAA17994@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:03:43 -0700 To: Bill Morrow From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: Re: TP770ED memory and DVD problems... Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <357DBA93.2DFE78C8@icanect.net> References: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C5FE453@DANUBE> <199806092103.OAA04515@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:43 PM 6/9/98 -0400, you wrote: >Sandy.. >that does not sound like the classic memory bug.. >(which only bugged you if you had TWO DIMM's, not one 64meg) >but they'll solder the jumper on the planar board and hopefully things will >sort ythem selves out.. This 770ED came with 64MB...including one of the two extra memory slots filled with a 32MB dimm. I installed an extra 64MB Dimm in the last available slot. >i would have exchanged the memory first, before sending the machine off to easy >serve.. Yep, that's what I did. I first tried a 64MB dimm made by Simple Technology and then swapped for a 64MB dimm made by IBM for the 770ED. The 770ED had problems with either dimm installed (above the initial 64MB). >if you still need a region-1 diskette, let me know and i'll e-mail you the two >files that you need.. Thanks for the offer...I appreciate that. Go ahead and e-mail them. I'll post an update when the 770ED returns from IBM. --sandy > > >Sandy Meltzer wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> When I added an extra 64MB of SDRAM to my new 770ED (9549-5AU), it started >> to experience random errors while under Win95. Remove the memory >> (IBM-brand) and the problem goes away. It also consistantly "hangs" while >> doing the system memory test via the BIOS. So it appears I have a problem >> with the TP's system board. This 770ED is new...was delivered last week. >> >> I called IBM today and they confirmed that one of their ECO's (engineering >> call outs) confirms problems with system boards with specific part numbers. >> However, my 770ED's board was NOT one of those boards. I had the choice >> of returning the TP to CDW for replacement, but that doesn't guarantee me >> that the next 770ED (probably from the same batch) wouldn't experience the >> problem. So, I took IBM's advise and will send the TP in for repair. >> >> Also, I couldn't get the DVD to play a DVD movie. IBM's instruction sheet >> for the DVD indicates that a diskette is included with all 770ED's shipped >> within the US to setup the DVD for "region 1". Unfortunately, no diskette >> was provided with this TP. So, I asked IBM to resolve this while the >> machine is in for repair. >> >> So, if you're buying a 770ED, I suggest you make sure it's tested with >> >64MB of memory. You might have one of these bad system boards and not >> know it. >> >> Obviously, I don't like the idea of having to send a brand-new (and >> expensive) machine in for repair, but problems with new products are not >> that unusual...even with IBM. Overall, I'm still very pleased with the >> performance of this 770ED...still the best ThinkPad I've used to date and >> I'm sure it will give me good service once the initial bugs are ironed out. >> >> --sandy >> sandy@sandy.com > > > >-- >Happy Trails... :-) >** Bill Morrow ** >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad >Win95B & Win98-RC2 > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:08:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA141813700; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:08:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27175; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:06:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26988; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26953; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (211.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.211]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA15259; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357DC010.66A6BDBD@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 19:06:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RAMDRIVE References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John.. someone told me that win95 uses memory from the top down.. thus if more than the cached memory is installed, then initially, things will be slower.!!?? John Kim wrote: > Ack, just got back from a week out sick. Since I made the > original comment about using uncached memory for RAM drives or > disk caches, let me elucidate. > > Just setting up a RAM drive or a disk cache is not enough. You > have to map it to the area of memory that is uncached by the > motherboard. I've never run into this problem so I haven't done > it, but I know several people who have. Usually it's just a > matter of configuring the RAM drive or disk cache to take memory > from the top of the memory address down (or down up - I don't > remember exactly). The other way is to explicitly specifiy the > memory address range in the software configuration. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:15:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA143084143; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:15:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28101; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27931; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27917; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p3-m6-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p3-m6-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.183.67]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ta277933 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:14:12 -0400 Message-Id: <000d01bd93fc$201487e0$43b71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Portable printer. Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:12:48 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD9460.B34A3C80" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD9460.B34A3C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Giday, I'm looking at getting a protable printer for my thinkpad. I'm looking at the Canon BJC-80, BJC-50 ot the HP 340CBi Does anyone have any experience comments on these printers?? Thanks, Andreas!! :-) ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD9460.B34A3C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Giday,
 
I'm looking at getting a protable = printer for my=20 thinkpad.
 
I'm looking at the Canon BJC-80, = BJC-50 ot the=20 HP 340CBi
 
Does anyone have any experience = comments on=20 these printers??
 
Thanks,
Andreas!!
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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01BD9460.B34A3C80-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:24:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA144784641; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:24:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28651; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:23:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28561; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28549; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg131-023.ricochet.net [204.179.131.23]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03504; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:23:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806092323.SAA03504@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:22:22 -0700 To: Bernard Duchesne , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest In-Reply-To: <19980609204136.4123.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers >(Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of >glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that >will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? This advice is probably too late, but maybe it will help the next person... The best way I've found to clean off the adhesive a sticker leaves behind is to use the sticker itself. I push a sticky spot on the sticker back down hard onto the gunky spot, repeated a few times if needed. The sticker's own adhesive does a great job of picking up bits of itself left behind. This worked for all the stickers on my TP600 and Libretto 50... If the sticker is long gone, I'd try the same technique with some Scotch Magic Tape before I'd risk using solvents on that nice finish. (Think physics, not chemistry... ) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:29:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA146214944; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:29:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29164; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29028; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR02 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.138]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29016; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infinia - 153.35.192.225 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:27:35 -0700 Message-Id: <007301bd93fb$ac3b8c60$0300a8c0@infinia> From: "alzh" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:09:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:33:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA147065222; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:33:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29605; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:32:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29527; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29514; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00373; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:49:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:49:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: James Mckenzie Cc: "Alexander J. Annala" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Docking Options for Thinkpad 760CD 120MHz In-Reply-To: <357DBD59.5F162947@theriver.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, James Mckenzie wrote: > Make sure you can get the CD-ROM. They are not stocked by IBM and are > hard to find. They were relabeled Toshiba XM-4101's. A 2x, 64K buffer tray based SCSI drive. I used to own two of them. I've also seen them relabeled by Sun with a funky purple plastic. I saw them going for ~$30USD through various surplus houses a few months ago. I bought the two I used to own for $200 each when they first came out.. =) ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:50:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA149496231; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:50:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00858; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:49:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00633; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00621; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <19980609234831.28510.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [207.105.30.36] by send1e; Tue, 09 Jun 1998 16:48:31 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:48:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bernard Duchesne Reply-To: Bernard Duchesne Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest To: Michael Geary , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I tried pulling the glue with the sticker itself and it did work for the Intel Inside sticker but the Microsoft one really loves that nice rubberized surface. Its consistency is also way past the 'lift it' stage. I'll have to resort to either isopropil(sp?) alcool, lighter gas (yes that was one suggestiong I got) or the oily compound from the previous answer. Now, who's a chemist? ---Michael Geary wrote: > > >I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers > >(Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of > >glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that > >will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? > > This advice is probably too late, but maybe it will help the next person... > > The best way I've found to clean off the adhesive a sticker leaves behind > is to use the sticker itself. I push a sticky spot on the sticker back down > hard onto the gunky spot, repeated a few times if needed. The sticker's own > adhesive does a great job of picking up bits of itself left behind. > > This worked for all the stickers on my TP600 and Libretto 50... > > If the sticker is long gone, I'd try the same technique with some Scotch > Magic Tape before I'd risk using solvents on that nice finish. (Think > physics, not chemistry... ) > > -Mike > > http://www.geary.com > mailto:mg@mg.to > ham:WJ6V > == -------------------------------------- Bernard Duchesne On contract at SAP Labs R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 19:57:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA150326633; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:57:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01384; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:56:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01265; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01252; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id QAA28371; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:54:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806092354.QAA28371@netcom9.netcom.com> To: phr@netcom.com, rwhittle@usa.net Subject: Re: 770 vs 770ed Cc: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [2 MB video ram in 770, vs. 4 MB in 770ed] This could also be an issue if you use your 770[ed] with an external monitor. First of all, CRT's may be able to show more color gradations than TFT, so 24 vs 16 bpp is more of an issue. Second, the 770's can run external monitors up to 1600x1200. But at that resolution, 2 MB of memory is good enough only for 8 bpp; you need 4 MB to do 16 bpp. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 20:20:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA153268042; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:20:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02858; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:19:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02686; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.walrus.com (frog.walrus.com [206.24.16.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02674; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from walrus.com (dialup-206-153-126-217.walrus.com [206.153.126.217]) by mailhub.walrus.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/ad) with ESMTP id UAA02145; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Sender: davidc@walrus.com Message-Id: <357DD1D4.7DB77108@walrus.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 20:22:44 -0400 From: David Carrigan Organization: withall X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bernard Duchesne Cc: Michael Geary , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest References: <19980609234831.28510.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There's a product in the States called "Goo Gone" that is citrus based and is in some small way amazing. hth dc Bernard Duchesne wrote: > > I tried pulling the glue with the sticker itself and it did work for > the Intel Inside sticker but the Microsoft one really loves that nice > rubberized surface. Its consistency is also way past the 'lift it' > stage. > I'll have to resort to either isopropil(sp?) alcool, lighter gas > (yes that was one suggestiong I got) or the oily compound from the > previous answer. Now, who's a chemist? > > ---Michael Geary wrote: > > > > >I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers > > >(Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of > > >glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that > > >will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? > > > > This advice is probably too late, but maybe it will help the next > person... > > > > The best way I've found to clean off the adhesive a sticker leaves > behind > > is to use the sticker itself. I push a sticky spot on the sticker > back down > > hard onto the gunky spot, repeated a few times if needed. The > sticker's own > > adhesive does a great job of picking up bits of itself left behind. > > > > This worked for all the stickers on my TP600 and Libretto 50... > > > > If the sticker is long gone, I'd try the same technique with some > Scotch > > Magic Tape before I'd risk using solvents on that nice finish. (Think > > physics, not chemistry... ) > > > > -Mike > > > > http://www.geary.com > > mailto:mg@mg.to > > ham:WJ6V > > > > == > -------------------------------------- > Bernard Duchesne > On contract at SAP Labs > R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- _____________________________________________ ... d a v i d c @ w a l r u s . c o m ) - - - - - - - ^ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 20:52:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157369951; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:52:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04163; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:51:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04054; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oso.slonet.org (root@oso.slonet.org [207.114.180.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04041; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 20:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oso.slonet.org (lbissell@oso.slonet.org [207.114.180.2]) by oso.slonet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20130 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:47:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry L. Bissell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP760ED--->OS2...standby&suspend modes Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have OS2 V3 FP26 installed. [including all of the latest TP OS2 drivers]. Whenever the machine goes into standy or suspend mode, the screen of course goes blank. When I press the proper key to bring the machine out of these modes, the pointing device locks on the screen and I have to reboot. How can I correct this? regards, LARRY L.BISSELL>>>>>>>>>> architect |||| PO Box 12559 San Luis Obispo, Ca. 93406 |||| 805-543-6842 ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 21:44:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA165033062; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:44:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06306; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:43:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06126; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom18.netcom.com (genepool@netcom18.netcom.com [192.100.81.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06113; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom18.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA03621; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:42:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest To: Bernard Duchesne Cc: Michael Geary , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19980609234831.28510.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Bernard Duchesne wrote: > > I'll have to resort to either isopropil(sp?) alcool, lighter gas > (yes that was one suggestiong I got) or the oily compound from the > previous answer. Now, who's a chemist? My preferred order of solvents for this task is ethyl alcohol, naptha. Alcohol usually works. The technique: Pour one ounce ethyl alcohol in a shallow dish and one ounce in a glass. Add ice and orange juice to the glass and stir (don't shake). Drink the contents of the glass, then dip a Q-tip into the dish containing the pure alcohol and use to remove the adhesive. If the alcohol doesn't work and you still care, try naptha. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 23:05:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA175797910; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:05:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09276; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:03:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09109; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09095; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p33-m10-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p33-m10-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [203.96.106.97]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ha278025 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:03:13 -0400 Message-Id: <000701bd941c$1d8fcb40$616a60cb@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: RE: Portable printer. (opps!) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:01:36 +1200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry, I committed a capital crime. I just realised that I sent this message in HTML before, sorry!! Andreas!! :-) -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Michaelides To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 11:12 AM Subject: Portable printer. Giday, I'm looking at getting a protable printer for my thinkpad. I'm looking at the Canon BJC-80, BJC-50 ot the HP 340CBi Does anyone have any experience comments on these printers?? Thanks, Andreas!! :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 23:20:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA178658837; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:20:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10170; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:19:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10052; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10040; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id VAA53756; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:19:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Chris.colostate.edu (ts1315.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.51]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id VAA89060; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <00a901bd941e$6b028960$33c05281@Chris.colostate.edu> From: "Chris" To: "Bernard Duchesne" , Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:18:18 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bernard, Gee's let me know, I have the same problem with the same sticker. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Duchesne To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:43 PM Subject: Removing stickers on palmrest >I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers >(Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of >glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that >will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? >Thanks > > > > >== >-------------------------------------- >Bernard Duchesne >On contract at SAP Labs >R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 9 23:22:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA178858962; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:22:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10517; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:21:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10267; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10255; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id VAA62008; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:21:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from Chris.colostate.edu (ts1315.SLIP.ColoState.EDU [129.82.192.51]) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id VAA79428; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:20:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <00ae01bd941e$95b2e1a0$33c05281@Chris.colostate.edu> From: "Chris" To: "Bernard Duchesne" , Subject: Re: [TP600] Sound glitches Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:19:29 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have the same problem, or at least the same sound. A high pitched buzzing. Have'nt figured anything out yet. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Bernard Duchesne To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 3:05 PM Subject: [TP600] Sound glitches >I've noticed some glitches with respect to sound on the TP600. >1) I haven't found a way to turn the machine from beeping a >couple of times when booting. I work in a quiet environment and >this is troubblesome. I've tried to disable the sound both in >software (control panel) and through the fn-backspace keeys >(the TP600 doesn't have a manual volume control). >2) From time to time, some high pitch electronic noise can be >heard (by those with good hears) when moving the cursor over >buttons. This noise is still present even when turning off the >volume (Fn-Backspace). > >Does anyone have the same problems? Solutions? >Thanks > > > > > > >== >-------------------------------------- >Bernard Duchesne >On contract at SAP Labs >R/3 Sales Configuration Engine project > > > >_________________________________________________________ >DO YOU YAHOO!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 01:13:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193265591; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:13:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14063; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:10:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13792; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13780; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts04.loop.net (p19.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.154]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21192; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806100509.WAA21192@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bernard Duchesne" , "Bernard Duchesne" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 22:09:42 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:41:36 -0700 (PDT), Bernard Duchesne wrote: >I just got a new TP600 and removed both palmrest stickers >(Intel and Microsoft). The Microsoft one left a patch of >glue that I need to remove. What is a good solvent that >will not damage the rubberized cover of the palm rest? Try Windex. I find that this works for cleaning my computers, including the rubber base feet on my new SPARC IPC. Put a little on, let it sit for about a minute, and wipe clean. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 01:17:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193775833; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:17:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14442; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:14:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14160; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14148; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts04.loop.net (p19.hwts04.loop.net [207.211.61.154]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21753; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806100514.WAA21753@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Andreas Michaelides" Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 22:14:29 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Portable printer. (opps!) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Giday, > >I'm looking at getting a protable printer for my thinkpad. > >I'm looking at the Canon BJC-80, BJC-50 ot the HP 340CBi > I don't have either of these, but I recommend checking out the Pentax PocketJet if you don't need color. I've had this for about 2 years, and still works great. I even dropped it about 3 or so feet onto a hard floor in my dad's shop, and it worked fine after I picked it up. I do have a Canon BJ-10ex and the Lexmark OEMed one (4070), but don't have the AC adapters to test them out. I hear that the output from the Canon's are nice, but the ink cartridges are expensive. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 04:53:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA219038796; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:53:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22691; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:50:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22388; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (devil.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.214]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22317; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michey@localhost) by devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07721; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:48:43 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: devil.prz.tu-berlin.de: michey owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:48:43 +0200 (MEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: Chris Cc: Bernard Duchesne , THINKPAD Subject: Re: [TP600] Sound glitches In-Reply-To: <00ae01bd941e$95b2e1a0$33c05281@Chris.colostate.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some machines had the problem of producing feedbacks between microfon and loudspeaker. May that be the problem? Regards, Michael -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin michey@prz.tu-berlin.de On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Chris wrote: | I have the same problem, or at least the same sound. A high pitched buzzing. | Have'nt figured anything out yet. | [...] | >2) From time to time, some high pitch electronic noise can be | >heard (by those with good hears) when moving the cursor over | >buttons. This noise is still present even when turning off the | >volume (Fn-Backspace). | > | From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 05:16:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA221140166; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:16:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23938; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:13:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23288; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (mailhost.micronet.net [206.96.52.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23275; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micronet.net (206.96.52.113) by micronet.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.0.1); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:13:40 -0800 Message-Id: <357E4A89.995B5D65@micronet.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:57:45 -0800 From: Calvin White X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 08:28:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA240541710; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:28:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03140; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:26:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02827; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02806; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-200.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.200]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA04923 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:24:00 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806101224.OAA04923@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:22:52 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: How do I install a SCSI pcmcia card on a 755 ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm using a 755 CDV I have installed an Adaptec APA-1460 SCSI pcmcia card on the upper slot of = my laptop. Under Win95, this card is detected and reported. 1) Under Warp 4 FP 5, I have follwed the installation process recommended: OS/2 is installed PCMCIA support is installed aha152x.add (44208 bytes) and os2scsi.dmd (11614 bytes) are in E:\OS2\BOO= T in my config.sys, I have BASEDEV=3DOS2SCSI.DMD BASEDEV=3DAHA152X.ADD /V /A:0 /F:0,1,2,3,4,5,6 BUT when I'm clicking on "Plug and Play for PCMCIA" I get there is no PCMCIA slot ???? What am I missing ? 2) I would like to use a SCSI scanner from a WINOS2 program. Do I have to inst= all the Adaptec SCSI drivers as if I was running a "real" Win3.1 system or will OS/2 master the = situation ? TIA Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 06/10/98 14:21:11 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 09:02:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA243923778; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:02:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04782; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:00:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04480; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bugs.bme.ri.ccf.org (bugs.bme.ri.ccf.org [139.137.180.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04463; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby (scooby.bme.ri.ccf.org) by bugs.bme.ri.ccf.org (4.1/5.921208) id AA14875; Wed, 10 Jun 98 08:59:16 EDT Received: from thebrain by scooby (4.1/5.921208) id AA07684; Wed, 10 Jun 98 09:02:22 EDT Sender: latsonl@bme.ri.ccf.org Message-Id: <357E8323.167E@bme.ri.ccf.org> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:59:15 -0400 From: Larry Latson Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 11:26:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA264882405; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:26:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12026; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:23:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11797; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11785; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA15716 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD9462.42D31EC0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:23:58 -0400 Message-Id: <01BD9462.42D31EC0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: TP600 <-> TP701: drool Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:23:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, My officemate just got his TP600 PII-233 yesterday, and I brought in my TP701 for comparison. This is what I noticed: The 600 is a tad thinner than the 701. It is as deep as the 701 is wide. The same almost goes for the screen. The keyboards are the same size. The taper at the bottom of the case make the 600 easy to lift from a table. The IR at the side might be a hassle for head-to-head connections. The case is stiffer, especially behind the display. The 701 would show smears when I push from behind, and I didn't dare push anymore on the 600, but saw nothing. I won't even start comparing the displays. Or the speed. I find the system-beeps on the 600 annoyingly loud. The trackpoint is nice, as usual, but I find that on a 640*480 screen, it is as good as a mouse, on a 1024*786, I think I might prefer a real mouse or Trackball in the long run. The distances are too large to keep the pressure on the TrackPoint. It is still better than any other laptop pointing device (except maybe the HP Omnibook Pop-out Mouse for righthanded people only). It also lasts on battery. Big difference here: My 701 batt's are down to about 5 minutes usable time, one is completely dead. Any suggestions? I'm trying to cycle the 5min one, but the others are probably dead, right? Is a good LiIon worth it? I would like to get more memory, a bigger harddrive, but only if it is usable with battery. Memory, HD, and Battery sounds expensive. Sniff. I still like the 701 a lot. I will trade immediately for a 600, though ;) axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 11:54:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA268614093; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:54:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13474; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:50:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13163; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13151; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:50:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from Rho928@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CKDa005238 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1501124c.357eab0a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:49:29 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe please From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 12:49:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA284417376; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:49:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16307; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:46:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16034; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16011; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806101646.MAA16011@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 23059 invoked from network); 10 Jun 1998 16:45:22 -0000 Received: from du147-243.ppp.algonet.se (HELO default) (195.100.243.147) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 10 Jun 1998 16:45:22 -0000 Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helena_S=F6derholm?=" To: "Larry L. Bissell" , Subject: SV: TP760ED--->OS2...standby&suspend modes Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:27:29 +0200 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > machine out of these modes, the pointing device locks on the screen and I > have to reboot. How can I correct this? > Larry ! I have exactly the same trouble with my TP755CD and Win95. Sometimes if I let the pointer be for a bit after the startup it seems to work better, sometimes not. Sometimes I don't even have to restart the computer it just simply crashes when I move the pointer. This seems to happen mostly when I'm surfing the net and accidently going in to hibernation (beacuse I'm reading something for example). It would be great to hear of a fix to this problem. best regards Peter From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 13:18:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA288629095; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:18:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17854; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:15:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17590; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17577; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06607; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22599; Wed, 10 Jun 98 13:15:47 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA26819; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:15:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:15:38 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: Jim Michael Cc: Bernard Duchesne , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Jim Michael wrote: > On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Bernard Duchesne wrote: > > > > I'll have to resort to either isopropil(sp?) alcool, lighter gas > > (yes that was one suggestiong I got) or the oily compound from the > > previous answer. Now, who's a chemist? > > My preferred order of solvents for this task is ethyl alcohol, naptha. Isn't naphtha used in the rubber manufacturing process? There's a chance it could ruin (dissolve would be more accurate) your rubber rest along with the sticker goo. Also, be forewarned that a lot of the good "paint thinner" solvents (turpentine, gasoline, naptha, lighter gas) are also good plastic solvents. I found out the hard way and dissolved a nice set of drafting triangles and architects scales trying to remove some black permanent marker ink. I'd hate to have the same thing happen to my Thinkpad. If alcohol doesn't remove all traces, I'd start putting in elbow grease before I resorted to petroleum-based solvents. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 13:26:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA290549585; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:26:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18491; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:24:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18297; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18277; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from GreasyGirl.brightware.com (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.249]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA07643; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <000601bd9494$9de8eb00$f9769cce@GreasyGirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Kim" , "Jim Michael" Cc: "Bernard Duchesne" , Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:23:54 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Why would you folks not take the path of least resistance? Leave the stickers on. I have. They are possibly a good thing to have when selling the unit next year. We do all upgrade once a year, right? -- David Taylor, Detayls From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 13:31:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA291079902; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19016; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:29:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18740; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18727; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11202 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22747; Wed, 10 Jun 98 13:31:38 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA29349 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest In-Reply-To: <000601bd9494$9de8eb00$f9769cce@GreasyGirl.brightware.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > Why would you folks not take the path of least resistance? Leave the > stickers on. > > I have. They are possibly a good thing to have when selling the unit next > year. > > We do all upgrade once a year, right? I guess some of us feel that if Intel and Microsoft want to advertise on our computers, they should be paying us to do it. :-) I also remove car dealer stickers and nameplates. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 15:09:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA007215776; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:09:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23789; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:07:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23604; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from romeo.its.uwo.ca (romeo.its.uwo.ca [129.100.2.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23560; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther.uwo.ca by romeo.its.uwo.ca with ESMTP id PAA04627; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by panther.uwo.ca with SMTP id PAA12230; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Starkey" X-Sender: jstarkey@panther.uwo.ca To: Andreas Michaelides Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Portable printer. In-Reply-To: <000d01bd93fc$201487e0$43b71bca@amlaptop> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Andreas Michaelides wrote: > Giday, > > I'm looking at getting a protable printer for my thinkpad. > > I'm looking at the Canon BJC-80, BJC-50 ot the HP 340CBi > > Does anyone have any experience comments on these printers?? > > Thanks, > Andreas!! > :-) > I have used an HP 340 for the last couple of years and would recommend against it. The paper feed mechanism repeatedly stops feeding the paper. - Although the print quality is very good. I also used it with the infra red attachment but gave up on that since it is incredibly slow. John ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Starkey, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3B7 tel: (519) 661 3185 fax: (519) 661 3198 e-mail: jstarkey@julian.uwo.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 15:25:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA009856712; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:25:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24895; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:24:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24779; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24763; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA16554 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980610121600.00a70168@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:21:08 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: LCD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Heloise, I have just bought a new think pad, which I love dearly. I notice a smear of something on the screen though. It may be peanut butter, may be not. What is the best thing to use to clean the sweet thing? I'm deathly afraid I'll scratch it or ruin it with an dry cloth. Another related kind of question. At what temperature do I need to worry about melt down? Since the TP is so convenient, I can imagine spending a lot of time in the yard with it this summer. Thanks for any assistance you might be able to provide. Clueless in LA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 17:17:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA029853466; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:17:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00372; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:15:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00152; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom13.netcom.com (genepool@netcom13.netcom.com [192.100.81.125]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29981; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom13.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA17620; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest To: John Kim Cc: Bernard Duchesne , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, John Kim wrote: > Isn't naphtha used in the rubber manufacturing process? There's > a chance it could ruin (dissolve would be more accurate) your > rubber rest along with the sticker goo. In the many years I have used ethanol and naptha for dissolving gummy materials I have yet to encounter a problem, however it should go without saying you test the solvent on an inconspicuous place, use in a well ventelated area, don't smoke, dispose of in an environmental friendly manner, mix organic orange juice with the ethanol, etc etc etc. In other words use common sense. IANAC, YMMV. Cheers, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 19:05:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA047939949; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:05:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05299; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:04:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05197; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05185; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (132.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.132]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA12839; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357F1118.2CAD5AA4@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:04:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "B.R. Woodward" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD References: <3.0.32.19980610121600.00a70168@mail.lightside.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear BR.. B.R. Woodward wrote: > Dear Heloise, > > I have just bought a new think pad, which I love dearly. I notice a smear > of something on the screen though. It may be peanut butter, may be not. > What is the best thing to use to clean the sweet thing? I'm deathly afraid > I'll scratch it or ruin it with an dry cloth. > soft paper towel with windex on it should do the job IF its peanut butter.. :-) > Another related kind of question. At what temperature do I need to worry > about melt down? Since the TP is so convenient, I can imagine spending a > lot of time in the yard with it this summer. > depends upon which TP it is that you have..i would say not to leave ANY TP in the sun.. figure it this way.. "If you're comfortable, so will the TP be" operating specs are in the manual.. > Thanks for any assistance you might be able to provide. > > Clueless in LA -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 19:28:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA052291285; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:28:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06215; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:27:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06106; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06093; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IY2VCG6SL2AUVHC8@cc.usu.edu> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:27:08 MST Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 17:27:24 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: LCD To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <357F165C.4A848DDF@cc.usu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.32.19980610121600.00a70168@mail.lightside.com> <357F1118.2CAD5AA4@icanect.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill Morrow wrote: > > Dear BR.. > > B.R. Woodward wrote: > > > Dear Heloise, > > > > I have just bought a new think pad, which I love dearly. I notice a smear > > of something on the screen though. It may be peanut butter, may be not. > > What is the best thing to use to clean the sweet thing? I'm deathly afraid > > I'll scratch it or ruin it with an dry cloth. > > > > soft paper towel with windex on it should do the job IF its peanut butter.. > :-) Uhmm... I've come across several reccomendations against using windex on LCD displays. It seems that in the long run the ammonia will "yellow" your display. My thinkpad users manual reccomends using isopropyl alcohol. This is what I've always used and it works very quickly on things like soda (I learned my lesson don't drink coke near your diplay),fingerprints etc. > > > Another related kind of question. At what temperature do I need to worry > > about melt down? Since the TP is so convenient, I can imagine spending a > > lot of time in the yard with it this summer. > > You can read your display in direct sunlight? I'm jealous. ;-( -Greg A. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 21:44:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA074049471; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:44:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10614; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:40:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10376; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10363; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw3-22.ncal.verio.com [207.21.129.213]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA27401 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:40:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806110140.SAA27401@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:40:05 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: Cleaning you TP LCD screen.... In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980610121600.00a70168@mail.lightside.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:21 PM 6/10/98 -0700, "B.R. Woodward" wrote: >I have just bought a new think pad, which I love dearly. I notice a smear >of something on the screen though. It may be peanut butter, may be not. >What is the best thing to use to clean the sweet thing? I'm deathly afraid >I'll scratch it or ruin it with an dry cloth. I don't recommend using paper towels on your LCD screen because most are fairly coarse and leave a residue of lint. The best stuff I've ever used on my ThinkPads over the years (and now on my 770ED) is "STATX" or similar spray product which safely cleans the screen, eliminates static electricity, and repels dust in one simple step. The STATX is sprayed on and then wiped with "STATX Wipes"...a special lint-free, non-abrasive cloth towel which I've seen available under various brand names. These "Wipes" are also washable and reuseable. You should be able to find products like this at your local large retail computer stores. I buy mine locally here in Silicon Valley at CompUSA. >Another related kind of question. At what temperature do I need to worry >about melt down? Since the TP is so convenient, I can imagine spending a >lot of time in the yard with it this summer. You shouldn't have any problems working outside during the Summer, just don't let the TP sit in direct sunlight. You should be able to find specific temperature specs in your TP manual or on IBM's ThinkPad web site. 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------=_NextPart_000_003E_01BD94B4.61CA1660-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 23:25:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA086655533; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:25:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14236; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:24:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14138; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.mailsrvcs.net (smtp2.gte.net [207.115.153.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14125; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from effie (1Cust124.tnt6.redmond.wa.da.uu.net [153.37.204.124]) by smtp2.mailsrvcs.net with SMTP id WAA17827; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:24:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <005f01bd94e8$3668c000$88cb2599@effie> Reply-To: "Lilla Slater" From: "Lilla Slater" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Re: LCD Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:22:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Windex does something bad to LCD screens, forget the details, but it damages the finish. 50% solution of rubbing alchohol is recommend by IBM and is in your Thinkpad manual. Paper towels can scratch the finish, 100% cotton like old T-Shirt is preferred. Lilla -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: B.R. Woodward Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 4:14 PM Subject: Re: LCD >Dear BR.. > >B.R. Woodward wrote: > >> Dear Heloise, >> >> I have just bought a new think pad, which I love dearly. I notice a smear >> of something on the screen though. It may be peanut butter, may be not. >> What is the best thing to use to clean the sweet thing? I'm deathly afraid >> I'll scratch it or ruin it with an dry cloth. >> > >soft paper towel with windex on it should do the job IF its peanut butter.. >:-) > >> Another related kind of question. At what temperature do I need to worry >> about melt down? Since the TP is so convenient, I can imagine spending a >> lot of time in the yard with it this summer. >> > >depends upon which TP it is that you have..i would say not to leave ANY TP in >the sun.. >figure it this way.. "If you're comfortable, so will the TP be" > >operating specs are in the manual.. > > >> Thanks for any assistance you might be able to provide. >> >> Clueless in LA > > > >-- >Happy Trails... :-) >** Bill Morrow ** >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad >Win95B & Win98-RC2 > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 23:50:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA089047045; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:50:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15155; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:49:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15050; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15038; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a1.tc24.theriver.com [206.102.192.1]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA13491 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:49:44 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806110349.UAA13491@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 20:53:26 -0700 To: In-Reply-To: <005f01bd94e8$3668c000$88cb2599@effie> Subject: Re: LCD X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <005f01bd94e8$3668c000$88cb2599@effie>, on 06/10/98 at 08:22 PM, "Lilla Slater" said: >Windex does something bad to LCD screens, forget the details, but it >damages the finish. 50% solution of rubbing alchohol is recommend by >IBM and is in your Thinkpad manual. Paper towels can scratch the >finish, 100% cotton like old T-Shirt is preferred. Thanks. I have a few old t-shirts around here, but getting the alcohol may prove difficult (getting it in pure form that is, without contaminants.) James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 10 23:51:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA089127118; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:51:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15338; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:50:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15197; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15030; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA25201 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:49:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx10-56.ix.netcom.com(207.94.124.120) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025186; Wed Jun 10 22:48:58 1998 Received: (from me@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA08435 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:48:56 -0500 (CDT) From: McCann Message-Id: <199806110348.WAA08435@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <357F165C.4A848DDF@cc.usu.edu> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 22:48:52 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD Reply-To: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com References: <3.0.32.19980610121600.00a70168@mail.lightside.com> <357F1118.2CAD5AA4@icanect.net> <357F165C.4A848DDF@cc.usu.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I use KlearScreen and KlearKloth on both our lcd and crt screens. Works very well. Got it a while back (can't remember where), but probably available in many places, 510.838.8774 is the number on the package. JP --- Please respond as needed to: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com NeXTMail preferred/MIME welcome From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 00:56:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA096871015; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:56:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17906; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:56:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17802; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17789; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20921; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:56:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806110456.XAA20921@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:48:00 -0700 To: , From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: LCD In-Reply-To: <199806110349.UAA13491@pantano.theriver.com> References: <005f01bd94e8$3668c000$88cb2599@effie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:53 PM 6/10/98 , os2support@theriver.com wrote: >Thanks. I have a few old t-shirts around here, but getting the >alcohol may prove difficult (getting it in pure form that is, without >contaminants.) You missed the instructions. Mix orange juice with *half* your alcohol, not the whole thing. If you mix all the alcohol with orange juice, it doesn't do nearly as good a job of cleaning--seems to leave some kind of sticky residue. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 02:19:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA107675969; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:19:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19812; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:16:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19714; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19702; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (213.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.213]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA12825; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357F7667.E9D86DBB@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:17:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John.. John Kim wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > Why would you folks not take the path of least resistance? Leave the > > stickers on. > > > > I have. They are possibly a good thing to have when selling the unit next > > year. > > > > We do all upgrade once a year, right? > > I guess some of us feel that if Intel and Microsoft want to > advertise on our computers, they should be paying us to do it. > :-) > > I also remove car dealer stickers and nameplates. > yes, but i'll bet you wear Izod shirts, Jockey underwear (well, ok, so thats not adveretising, technically speaking), and you don't pry the star off the front of your mercedes..but you get the idea.. :-) > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 02:28:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA108846484; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:28:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20047; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19950; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19938; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (213.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.213]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA29571; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357F773F.AA37CD6D@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:20:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Lilla Slater Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD References: <005f01bd94e8$3668c000$88cb2599@effie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has no one ever heard of KimWipes..? or Lens Paper..??? :-) probably the best idea so far is that antistatic spray stuff.. Lilla Slater wrote: > Windex does something bad to LCD screens, forget the details, but it damages > the finish. 50% solution of rubbing alchohol is recommend by IBM and is in > your Thinkpad manual. Paper towels can scratch the finish, 100% cotton like > old T-Shirt is preferred. > > Lilla > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: B.R. Woodward > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Date: Wednesday, June 10, 1998 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: LCD > > >Dear BR.. > > > >B.R. Woodward wrote: > > > >> Dear Heloise, > >> > >> I have just bought a new think pad, which I love dearly. I notice a > smear > >> of something on the screen though. It may be peanut butter, may be not. > >> What is the best thing to use to clean the sweet thing? I'm deathly > afraid > >> I'll scratch it or ruin it with an dry cloth. > >> > > > >soft paper towel with windex on it should do the job IF its peanut butter.. > >:-) > > > >> Another related kind of question. At what temperature do I need to worry > >> about melt down? Since the TP is so convenient, I can imagine spending a > >> lot of time in the yard with it this summer. > >> > > > >depends upon which TP it is that you have..i would say not to leave ANY TP > in > >the sun.. > >figure it this way.. "If you're comfortable, so will the TP be" > > > >operating specs are in the manual.. > > > > > >> Thanks for any assistance you might be able to provide. > >> > >> Clueless in LA > > > > > > > >-- > >Happy Trails... :-) > >** Bill Morrow ** > >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe > >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > >Win95B & Win98-RC2 > > > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 02:28:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA108906512; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:28:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20264; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:22:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20181; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20169; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (213.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.213]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA09307; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357F77BE.72FEFC94@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:22:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: os2support@theriver.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD References: <199806110349.UAA13491@pantano.theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Denatured Alcohol is available at home depot or probably any paind or hardware store.. right next to the acetone cans.. which i suggest you do NOT use on anything you plan to keep for more than 10 seconds.. :-) os2support@theriver.com wrote: > In <005f01bd94e8$3668c000$88cb2599@effie>, on 06/10/98 > at 08:22 PM, "Lilla Slater" said: > > >Windex does something bad to LCD screens, forget the details, but it > >damages the finish. 50% solution of rubbing alchohol is recommend by > >IBM and is in your Thinkpad manual. Paper towels can scratch the > >finish, 100% cotton like old T-Shirt is preferred. > > Thanks. I have a few old t-shirts around here, but getting the > alcohol may prove difficult (getting it in pure form that is, without > contaminants.) > > James > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora > Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 > NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com > New rates for unsolicited e-mails: > Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. > -------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 02:30:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA109046627; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:30:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20578; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20480; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20467; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (213.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.213]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA27696; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <357F78C8.54A00C9B@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:27:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Axel Hartmann Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: TP600 <-> TP701: drool References: <01BD9462.42D31EC0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have two 701's and i'll swap for a 600 too.. but only one of them..! the other is a keeper since its a classic..! for batteries, they pop up from time to time, and there are aftermarket batteries available.. don't ask me where since i don't need any.. yet..! get the NiMH, they last longer.. Axel Hartmann wrote: > Hi all, > > My officemate just got his TP600 PII-233 yesterday, and I brought in my > TP701 for comparison. This is what I noticed: > > The 600 is a tad thinner than the 701. > It is as deep as the 701 is wide. > The same almost goes for the screen. > The keyboards are the same size. > The taper at the bottom of the case make the 600 easy to lift from a table. > The IR at the side might be a hassle for head-to-head connections. > The case is stiffer, especially behind the display. The 701 would show > smears when I push from behind, and I didn't dare push anymore on the > 600, but saw nothing. > I won't even start comparing the displays. Or the speed. > I find the system-beeps on the 600 annoyingly loud. > The trackpoint is nice, as usual, but I find that on a 640*480 screen, it is > as good as a mouse, on a 1024*786, I think I might prefer a real mouse or > Trackball in the long run. The distances are too large to keep the pressure > on the TrackPoint. It is still better than any other laptop pointing device > (except maybe the HP Omnibook Pop-out Mouse for righthanded people only). > > It also lasts on battery. Big difference here: My 701 batt's are down to about > 5 minutes usable time, one is completely dead. Any suggestions? I'm trying > to cycle the 5min one, but the others are probably dead, right? > Is a good LiIon worth it? I would like to get more memory, a bigger harddrive, > but only if it is usable with battery. Memory, HD, and Battery sounds expensive. > Sniff. > > I still like the 701 a lot. I will trade immediately for a 600, though ;) > > axel > > ............................................................................ > . Axel Hartmann . > . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . > . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . > ............................................................................ > . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . > . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . > . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . > . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . > ............................................................................ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 03:14:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA113689299; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:14:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22546; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22449; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22276; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id CAA08252 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:12:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pax-ca30-07.ix.netcom.com(207.93.145.71) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008224; Thu Jun 11 02:12:00 1998 From: "Bernard Duchesne" To: Subject: RE: Removing stickers on palmrest Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:11:53 -0700 Message-Id: <000001bd9508$35da0700$47915dcf@corcovado> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <357F7667.E9D86DBB@icanect.net> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@icanect.net] > adveretising, technically speaking), and you don't pry the > star off the front of your mercedes..but you get the idea.. :-) Funny diatribe! My little sticker question seems to have arisen some marketting passions. I personally like the feel and look of the rubberized palmrest and the stickers certainly don't improve either points here. To me, it's more like the annoying "inspected" sticker on cameras than the well crafted logo of a Rolls Royce. "Microsoft Win95" somewhat doesn't look as prestigious or elegant. Anyway, thanks for all the suggestions on how to remove the stickers. I ended up using Isopropyl Alcool, Goo Gone and the Ethyl Alcool,orange juice stirred combo. Here's my receipe: Spread Goo Gone (availble from drug stores) conservatively over the area for about 30 sec using a q-tip. Wipe with kleenex. Repeat once more if needed. Wash with water with very little soft soap (I used palmolive). Wipe with wet kleenex, then dry ones. Finish up with the Isopropyl alcool (91% but lesser should be ok). The alcool remove what's left of glue and brings back the uniformity of the flat black surface. Wash again till you can't smell you TP. In my case, the glue was really stuck there so I had to resort to Goo Gone (great product). Try using the alcool alone first. You may be able to remove it that way. Stickily yours... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 03:50:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA116991443; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:50:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23857; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:46:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23741; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23684; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p21.hwts03.loop.net (p21.hwts03.loop.net [207.211.61.126]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01089; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:44:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806110744.AAA01089@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "John Kim" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 00:45:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Removing stickers on palmrest Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> I guess some of us feel that if Intel and Microsoft want to >> advertise on our computers, they should be paying us to do it. >> :-) >> >> I also remove car dealer stickers and nameplates. >> > >yes, but i'll bet you wear Izod shirts, Jockey underwear (well, ok, so thats not >adveretising, technically speaking), and you don't pry the star off the front >of your mercedes..but you get the idea.. :-) > Yeah, but in this case, we're removing the logos/advertisements of the third parties (Microsoft and Intel). It's like buying a shirt from a major department store. You don't leave on the tag, do you? Okay, this is extreme, but this is how I would put it. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 09:52:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA151313154; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:52:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08497; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:49:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08325; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radius1.teleport.com (radius1.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08302; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execed4.usc.edu (pdx55-i48-41.teleport.com [204.202.166.247]) by radius1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA26400 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <357FE67E.25D@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:15:26 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Batteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Axel, I bought *used* batteries from somewhere back east for about $80...got the name of the place from this group. I bought two and they were both great and even came with the thinkpad covers. Hagar had the name and url...I can't find it right now. I'll bet he chimes in. Insight sold the batteries new for the best deal which was about $120 as I recall. I want to call them on another issue so I'll keep looking for both of us. Bryan 701C -and still delighted. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 10:11:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA154254290; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:11:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09647; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:10:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09427; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radius1.teleport.com (radius1.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09399; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execed4.usc.edu (pdx55-i48-41.teleport.com [204.202.166.247]) by radius1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA29774; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <357FEB4E.1C4F@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:35:58 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Daum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 Hard disk - crash? References: <357FE67E.25D@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have lost the use of my original 701'a hard disk but the indications are weird, the drive isn't even seen. As I now have two 701s I tried the hard disk in the second machine and it also doesn't see it. When I boot from a floppy and try to reach drive C it says there is none there. I had presumed a crash and that all data was lost but last night a pal said the indications sounded like a something other than a crash like an internal circuit failure or etc and I might be able to save the data. Anyone understand the symptoms? And are hard disks part of the three year warranty? Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 10:43:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA157926223; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:43:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12309; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:42:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12201; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12189; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth (hseaman@earth.execpc.com [169.207.16.1]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.0) id JAA08534; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:42:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:42:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Harry Seaman X-Sender: hseaman@earth To: Bill Morrow Cc: os2support@theriver.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD In-Reply-To: <357F77BE.72FEFC94@icanect.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Then there's always Lemon Pledge. It's used a lot on aircraft plexiglass windshields...works good on my 750c too. harry seaman hseaman@execpc.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 10:53:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA158776838; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:53:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13262; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:52:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13096; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:52:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13082; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA18203 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980611074918.00a28c10@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:49:30 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: melt down Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear TP group, Thanks for all the helpful cleaning suggestions for my TP LCD. I tried something from the office called Staticide wipes and they seemed to work-- I think. Now however, I have another worry that makes me curious about others' experiences with the TP. The user's manual says that I shouldn't use the thing at temperatures above 94 degrees. That doesn't really seem very hot to me and I can envision ambient temps in that range on many days here in So Cal. I wonder about two things: What happens if I use the LP at 94 degrees and what happens if it's just sitting around at 94 degrees. Actually, three things: the third being, what are the actual physical things that happen to the laptop if it gets too hot? Chip melt maybe? Try not to think of this as frivolous. No computer people I know have any idea and it's too daunting and time consuming to ask Big Blue. Thanks for any help. Byerly Woodward From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 12:42:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA176903335; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:42:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18331; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:37:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18049; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18027; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA09574 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:39:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:39:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: melt down Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I wonder about two things: What happens if I use the LP at 94 degrees > and what happens if it's just sitting around at 94 degrees. Actually, > three things: the third being, what are the actual physical things that > happen to the laptop if it gets too hot? Chip melt maybe? The 'pads have specs for operating and storage temperatures. 94F and a little above should be fine for storage. When not in operation, you just have to worry about the effects of external heat: case melting or warping; the LRF support (little rubber feet) tends to work loose when hot; my ThinkPad is covered in a slightly rubbery surface that could stick or peel off; if the case warps; it may not close correctly; floppy head sticking to disk surface; those kinds of things. The black case absorbs sunlight very well. Not good in a warm place, but great if your screen is not responding because the LCD is too cold. When operating, you have to worry about the temperature differential. Some of the parts inside the 'pad are hot (CPU especially), and that thermal energy must be taken outside the case to remain in spec. If you take a chip out of temperature spec, you can shorten its life or, taken too far, make it fail outright. Chris Schumann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 13:28:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA184866136; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:28:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20520; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:25:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20357; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20331; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com (ottmsooc01.ooc.shl.com [159.249.112.24]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA29894 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:16:05 -0500 Received: by ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BD953B.F1FA3E40@ottmsooc01.ott.shl.com>; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:22:13 -0400 Message-Id: From: TROTTIER Tom To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: FW: Road Warrior News Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:20:47 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 Encoding: 45 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I posted a long laptop newsletter here last week. I won't make that mistake again! :{ So here's a short excerpt of another that fellow list members may appreciate. Ciao,Tom _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ FROM:Tom Trottier, MBA Senior Technical Architect Ottawa Global Delivery Centre, SHL Systemhouse an MCI Company :^(+1 613 236-6604x5539 fax:232-5182:^( :^} ttrottier@shl.com http://www.shl.com :^} *:)50 O'Connor St. Suite 501, Ottawa K1P 6L2 Canada*:) ~Questions answered, answers questioned~ >---------- >From: Kevin Prince[SMTP:kevin@warrior.com] >Sent: 1998 June 08 - Monday 20:52 >To: 'warrior-l@listserver.com' >Subject: Road Warrior News > >=================================(R)================================= >R O A D W A R R I O R N E W S Vol. 4, Issue 2 - JUNE 1998 >===================================================================== >(for maximum readability, set your viewer to courier font, 9 pt.) > >CONTENTS: > >1.0 What's New at the Outpost (http://warrior.com) > - Modem Saver International and Modem Saver Plus now shipping > >2.0 IDC Research Study Confirms Notebook PC Damage at High Rate > >3.0 Feature Article- Why Modems Get Fried, and How To Prevent It > >----------------------------------------------------------------- ... >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >- Copyright (C) 1998 Road Warrior International, Inc. - >- All Rights Reserved 3201 South Shannon, Santa Ana, CA 92704, USA - >- (714) 434-8600 ext. 730 - >- Direct all questions to the editor at editor@warrior.com - >- Or Visit The Road Warrior Outpost at http://warrior.com - >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 13:46:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA188277218; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:46:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21478; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:41:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21362; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21329; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kglp (gup-082-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.162]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10755; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:40:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <004201bd9560$1f0719c0$a25242cf@kglp> From: "Ray Bayles" To: "Bryan Daum" Cc: Subject: Re: 701 Hard disk - crash? Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:41:08 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sounds like a controller card failure... and it should be covered under the warrantee if you bought it new -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Daum To: Bryan Daum Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: 701 Hard disk - crash? >I have lost the use of my original 701'a hard disk but the indications are weird, the >drive isn't even seen. As I now have two 701s I tried the hard disk in the second >machine and it also doesn't see it. > >When I boot from a floppy and try to reach drive C it says there is none there. I had >presumed a crash and that all data was lost but last night a pal said the indications >sounded like a something other than a crash like an internal circuit failure or etc and >I might be able to save the data. > >Anyone understand the symptoms? And are hard disks part of the three year warranty? > >Bryan > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 13:54:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA189757650; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:54:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21285; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:39:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21175; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21161; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 13:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kglp (gup-082-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.162]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10726; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:39:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <003501bd955f$eb1203a0$a25242cf@kglp> From: "Ray Bayles" To: , "B.R. Woodward" Subject: Re: melt down Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:39:41 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You could get unreliable chip performance above that temperature... but I have had no trouble at 108 degrees for an afternoon in Phoenix... We have used laptops a great deal in the deserts of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, and the Middle East... Our staff had higher problem rates due to the heat and we obtained protective containers for them. High temperatures can cause the chip case to expand... some connections could pull apart... it is not as resilient to impacts... plastics warp... cements and adhesives soften and re-position... and the screen can warp but shouldn't unless very hot... They just won't guarantee anything that occurred above that temperature and there are ways to tell when you pull the case. You probably wont experience any problems for short periods of time... you definitely will in my experience if you use it in high temperatures all the time. Never let direct sunlight hit it long enough to make it feel hot... Short periods of 94-104 ambient temperature probably wont hurt it, but if temperature does affect it, the IBM service people can tell that it operated at high temperatures. Ray Bayles -----Original Message----- From: B.R. Woodward To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 8:53 AM Subject: melt down >Dear TP group, > >Thanks for all the helpful cleaning suggestions for my TP LCD. I tried >something from the office called Staticide wipes and they seemed to work-- >I think. Now however, I have another worry that makes me curious about >others' experiences with the TP. > >The user's manual says that I shouldn't use the thing at temperatures above >94 degrees. That doesn't really seem very hot to me and I can envision >ambient temps in that range on many days here in So Cal. I wonder about >two things: What happens if I use the LP at 94 degrees and what happens if >it's just sitting around at 94 degrees. Actually, three things: the third >being, what are the actual physical things that happen to the laptop if it >gets too hot? Chip melt maybe? > >Try not to think of this as frivolous. No computer people I know have any >idea and it's too daunting and time consuming to ask Big Blue. > >Thanks for any help. > >Byerly Woodward > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 14:17:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA193479045; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:17:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23037; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:13:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22945; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-1.mail.digex.net (pony-1.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22915; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-1.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA03485 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06789; Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:15:27 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA02439 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:15:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 14:15:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Harry Seaman wrote: > Then there's always Lemon Pledge. It's used a lot on aircraft plexiglass > windshields...works good on my 750c too. Pledge is a wax. It'll leave a waxy residue on your LCD. Whether that's a good or bad thing is debatable (probably a good thing for aircraft windows). Over time the wax (and grime imbedded in it) will build up and you'll need a long cleaning session with alcohol to get it off. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 17:03:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA228358991; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:03:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00993; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:00:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00804; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00789; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA03938; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:00:04 -1000 Message-Id: <003501bd957c$098c12a0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , "B.R. Woodward" Subject: Re: melt down Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 11:00:58 -1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some chips - probably only the CPU on your ThinkPad - can become erratic at high temperatures - not 94 degrees, but 94+heat generated by machine after long use might get close, depending on the particular machine. Chris Schumann mentioned things like case warp and rubber feet coming off; the former is *not* going to happen unless you work in an oven, the latter was a problem on some machines (like the 701) even at moderate temperatures and was largely the fault of machine (not ambient) temperature. Ray Bayles said that "if temperature does affect it, the IBM service people can tell that it operated at high temperatures." This is false; short of case melt, there is no permanent heat-induced failure that doesn't also have other possible causes. They will only know it was caused by operating in the heat if you tell them. Anyway, I wouldn't worry. If you *are* using the machine in a very hot room, and it starts getting flaky, just turn it off for a while. Also, if you use APM to keep the CPU running at lower speed, this will help a lot with internal temperature. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 17:47:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA238451673; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:47:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02671; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02557; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02544; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806112146.RAA02544@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 8758 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 1998 21:45:57 -0000 Received: from dial-17-3.ots.utexas.edu (HELO dial-67-7.ots.utexas.edu) (128.83.128.35) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 11 Jun 1998 21:45:57 -0000 From: "Volker Braun" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 16:48:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Volker Braun" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: melt down Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! Here in Texas its quite often >94F but so far no bad things happend running my 760 C at that temperature. And yes, its definitely hotter under the keyboard :-) The whole thing sits on a Dock I with disabled fan (the damn fan was soo loud). No problems (and no parts get too hot to touch). However i avoid direct sunlight.. even this LCD gets difficult to read (some kind of natual protection :-) and i can imagine that it will get incredible hot after an hour or two... Regards Volker From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 11 18:02:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with ESMTP (1.40.112.12/16.2) id AA243132528; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:02:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03581; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:00:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03393; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03379; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id RAA29888; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:58:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: melt down In-Reply-To: <003501bd957c$098c12a0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thursday, 11th June 1998, David Ross wrote: > Some chips - probably only the CPU on your ThinkPad - can become erratic > at high temperatures - not 94 degrees, but 94+heat generated by machine > after long use might get close, depending on the particular machine.=20 For those whom are unfamiliar with measuring temperatures in degrees=20 Fahrenheit, 94=B0F is slightly cooler than 35=B0C, which equals 95=B0F. Christian. --=20 Christian CAREY From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 11 20:50:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA05701 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04436; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04249; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04220; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id RAA08876 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 17:15:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lax-ca38-16.ix.netcom.com(205.184.226.80) by dfw-ix9.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma008866; Thu Jun 11 17:15:23 1998 Message-ID: <00bf01bd9587$5d6d2700$50e2b8cd@jedonald> From: "Lloyd Korn" To: Subject: WINFAX PRO is screwing up my TP Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:21:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B9_01BD954C.ADD7DC20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B9_01BD954C.ADD7DC20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00BA_01BD954C.ADD7DC20" ------=_NextPart_001_00BA_01BD954C.ADD7DC20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently loaded WINfax Pro 8.03 on my Thinkpad 770. I finally tried = to use it last night. However, it didn't work amd as a result whenever I = now turn on my TP I get these Fax/Modem Error Alerts that come in rapid = fire that say "Error in setting Com state using the Microsoft Telphony = DLL" then "Error in ending session using the Microsoft Telphony DLL". = THe only way to stop these messages is to exit the Winfax controller = that automatically loads up when the machine boots up. In checking the = modem setup in WF, the port is set for TAPI. In addition, In doing a = test of the ports in Winfax, it recognizes the modem on not only COM 2 = (the only Com the modem is set for) but also on COM8 (?) and 9 (?). = Perhaps this confuses Winfax in not knowing which port to choose. Can anyone tell me what's wrong and how to fix it so WINFAX will work = with my TP770. Is there any literature out there to explain and correct = the problem? 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I recently loaded WINfax Pro 8.03 on my Thinkpad 770.  I = finally tried=20 to use it last night. However, it didn't work amd as a result whenever I = now=20 turn on my TP I get these Fax/Modem Error Alerts that come in rapid fire = that=20 say "Error in setting Com state using the Microsoft Telphony = DLL" then=20 "Error in ending session using the Microsoft Telphony = DLL".  THe=20 only way to stop these messages is to exit the Winfax controller that=20 automatically loads up when the machine boots up.  In checking the = modem=20 setup in WF, the port is set for TAPI.  In addition, In doing a = test of the=20 ports in Winfax, it recognizes the modem on not only COM 2 (the only Com = the=20 modem is set for) but also on COM8 (?) and 9 (?).  Perhaps this = confuses=20 Winfax in not knowing which port to choose.
 
Can anyone tell me what's wrong and how to fix it so WINFAX will = work with=20 my TP770.  Is there any literature out there to explain and correct = the=20 problem?
 
Thanks,
 
Lloyd Korn
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v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09910; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09898; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.213]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980612004417.MSRQ7634@760>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:44:17 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Victor Kress" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: TFT vs HPA Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:40:38 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980612004417.MSRQ7634@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yesterday I had an opportunity to test a prototype of the new EXP DVD PCMCIA kit on my Sony 707 (12.1 TFT) The playback was just fabulous. On a sscale of 1 - 10, the DVD would be a 10 and broadcast TV would be a 2! Asd it happens, the tech there had an IBM of his own with the HPA screen (not sure which 3XX model, but it was the P166MMX). Anyway, the setup ran on his machine, but compared to the TFT it looked like SHIT. Blurry, and contrast is so low you can barely see it! Consider TFT if you desire future upgradeability - the HPA has Zoom Video, but it is useless unless you use a monitor. ---------- > From: Victor Kress > To: Thinkpad mailing list > Subject: TFT vs HPA > Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 7:39 AM > > Several people (including myself) have sent questions to the list > regarding the IBM HPA displays and how they compare with TFT. There > were no replies that I saw, so I went out and looked for myself. I > was looking at two identical 38x computers with 12.1 SVGA screens, one > HPA and one TFT. I'm actually more interested in the 13"XGA screens, > but I couldn't find any of these around town. > > The specs of TFT screens are a bit better than twice those for the > HPA, including refresh rate, contrast, brightness, color depth. The > question is how this is expressed in practice. > > I found the new HPA screens remarkably nice, even side by side with > the TFT. The difference is most significant in video playback, where > fast motion results in significant "trails". In most other respects, > the difference doesn't appear that great. I didn't try them outside, > but the TFT is brighter, so it would likely do this better. For my > needs, the HPA would probably do the job quite nicely, but TFT is > better. $700-$800 better? The clincher is battery life. The salesman > told me that the HPA lasted 3.1 hours doing an unspecified battery > benchmark program, while the TFT lasted 2.1 hours. I know better than > to listen to every thing a salesperson says, so I was wondering if any > of you complete strangers who I have never even met might have a > second opinion on this (preferably an informed opinion :). > > -Victor > ________________________________ > Victor Kress > Geological Sciences > Box 351310 > University of Washington > Seattle, Washington > 98195-1310 > > (206)616-8512 > kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 11 21:59:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06721 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12273; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12164; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12151; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts16.loop.net (p19.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA07780; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806120156.SAA07780@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bryan Daum" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 18:57:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701 Hard disk - crash? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 07:35:58 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >I have lost the use of my original 701'a hard disk but the indications are weird, the >drive isn't even seen. As I now have two 701s I tried the hard disk in the second >machine and it also doesn't see it. > >When I boot from a floppy and try to reach drive C it says there is none there. I had >presumed a crash and that all data was lost but last night a pal said the indications >sounded like a something other than a crash like an internal circuit failure or etc and >I might be able to save the data. > >Anyone understand the symptoms? And are hard disks part of the three year warranty? > Yeah, it's probably a circuit board failure if it's not working, and you tried it in TWO machines. And yes, if it's the drive that came WITH the machine, then it's included in the 3 year warranty. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 11 22:10:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06890 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12886; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:09:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12727; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12709; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p19.hwts16.loop.net (p19.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.34]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA08124; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806120205.TAA08124@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Lloyd Korn" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 19:06:18 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WINFAX PRO is screwing up my TP Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:21:59 -0700, Lloyd Korn wrote: > Could you please send the message so EVERYONE can read it? Thanks. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 00:47:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA09873 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18254; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:45:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18124; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18101; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA04160; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3580B264.F37A677F@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:45:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lloyd Korn CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WINFAX PRO is screwing up my TP References: <00bf01bd9587$5d6d2700$50e2b8cd@jedonald> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lloyd.. i have winfax 8.nn on my 701 and 760ED and desktop, but i have not tried it on either of my 770's.. you can turn off the automatic loading of winfax controller by removing it from the statup menu.. that should stop the error messages at least.. then i would check the irq's in win95 device manager.. Lloyd Korn wrote: > I recently loaded WINfax Pro 8.03 on my Thinkpad 770. I finally tried > to use it last night. However, it didn't work amd as a result whenever > I now turn on my TP I get these Fax/Modem Error Alerts that come in > rapid fire that say "Error in setting Com state using the Microsoft > Telphony DLL" then "Error in ending session using the Microsoft > Telphony DLL". THe only way to stop these messages is to exit the > Winfax controller that automatically loads up when the machine boots > up. In checking the modem setup in WF, the port is set for TAPI. In > addition, In doing a test of the ports in Winfax, it recognizes the > modem on not only COM 2 (the only Com the modem is set for) but also > on COM8 (?) and 9 (?). Perhaps this confuses Winfax in not knowing > which port to choose. Can anyone tell me what's wrong and how to fix > it so WINFAX will work with my TP770. Is there any literature out > there to explain and correct the problem? Thanks, Lloyd Korn -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 00:57:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10114 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18697; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:56:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18595; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18581; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA06240; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3580B4F2.DE773E3B@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:56:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Seaman CC: os2support@theriver.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: LCD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu isopropl alcohol is probably the the best.. tho i still use windex.. i tiny bit to wet a soft paper towel.. but like the alcohol, a soft cotton cloth would have less tendency to leave microscopic scratches.. there ARE electronics grade kim wipes for just this task.. i don't expect yellowing from using windex before the machine is hopelessly obsolete.. :-) Harry Seaman wrote: > Then there's always Lemon Pledge. It's used a lot on aircraft plexiglass > windshields...works good on my 750c too. > harry seaman > hseaman@execpc.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 00:59:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10137 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18999; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:58:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18853; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18841; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (219.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.219]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA06759; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3580B57F.A05606A4@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:58:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B.R. Woodward" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: melt down References: <3.0.32.19980611074918.00a28c10@mail.lightside.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu agree with the rest.. sounds electronic rather than mechanical.. note that these HDD caddies have a lifetime of about 300 insertions, so if you have swapped drives many times the caddy might be bad.. B.R. Woodward wrote: > Dear TP group, > > Thanks for all the helpful cleaning suggestions for my TP LCD. I tried > something from the office called Staticide wipes and they seemed to work-- > I think. Now however, I have another worry that makes me curious about > others' experiences with the TP. > > The user's manual says that I shouldn't use the thing at temperatures above > 94 degrees. That doesn't really seem very hot to me and I can envision > ambient temps in that range on many days here in So Cal. I wonder about > two things: What happens if I use the LP at 94 degrees and what happens if > it's just sitting around at 94 degrees. Actually, three things: the third > being, what are the actual physical things that happen to the laptop if it > gets too hot? Chip melt maybe? > > Try not to think of this as frivolous. No computer people I know have any > idea and it's too daunting and time consuming to ask Big Blue. > > Thanks for any help. > > Byerly Woodward -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 01:23:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10572 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19939; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:21:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19836; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19823; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts16.loop.net (p03.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.18]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA16121; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:20:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806120520.WAA16121@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Harry Seaman" Cc: "os2support@theriver.com" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 22:21:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LCD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 00:56:18 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >isopropl alcohol is probably the the best.. >tho i still use windex.. i tiny bit to wet a soft paper towel.. >but like the alcohol, a soft cotton cloth would have less tendency to leave >microscopic scratches.. > >there ARE electronics grade kim wipes for just this task.. > >i don't expect yellowing from using windex before the machine is hopelessly >obsolete.. :-) I would think it would take A LOT of cleaning to make it even start to yellow. I spray directly to the LCD of my various notebooks, and only do it about 1-2 times every month. But who knows if the machine will even work if the LCD starts yellowing. The backlight will probably go first... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 01:44:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10854 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20582; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:42:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20479; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (mail1.teleport.com [192.108.254.26]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20460; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execed4.usc.edu (pdx58-i48-40.teleport.com [204.202.167.182]) by mail1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA10464; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3580C5E4.553E@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:08:37 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Hard disk - crash? References: <004201bd9560$1f0719c0$a25242cf@kglp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If this is the case: controller card failure do I get my data back? or just a new drive? Bryan Ray Bayles wrote: > > Sounds like a controller card failure... and it should be covered under > the warrantee if you bought it new From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 07:40:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14750 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04356; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:37:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04204; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04192; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04019; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA09523; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.1 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256621.00405A40 ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:42:54 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: "Victor Kress" cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" Message-ID: <85256621.00405916.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:35:56 -0400 Subject: Re: TFT vs HPA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a 770 with 13"XGA TFT, 5.1GB, DVD and 160MB of RAM (running Windows 98) and have been able to consistently go coast to coast using 1.5 batteries. That adds up to about 6 hrs 30 mins. This is with running the DVD as a CD (music) player and doing developer type stuff (mostly working inside VisualStudio doing compiles, etc....). Your salesman appears to be slightly off ;-) Regards, -Bill "Victor Kress" on 06/11/98 07:39:53 AM Please respond to "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" cc: Subject: TFT vs HPA Several people (including myself) have sent questions to the list regarding the IBM HPA displays and how they compare with TFT. There were no replies that I saw, so I went out and looked for myself. I was looking at two identical 38x computers with 12.1 SVGA screens, one HPA and one TFT. I'm actually more interested in the 13"XGA screens, but I couldn't find any of these around town. The specs of TFT screens are a bit better than twice those for the HPA, including refresh rate, contrast, brightness, color depth. The question is how this is expressed in practice. I found the new HPA screens remarkably nice, even side by side with the TFT. The difference is most significant in video playback, where fast motion results in significant "trails". In most other respects, the difference doesn't appear that great. I didn't try them outside, but the TFT is brighter, so it would likely do this better. For my needs, the HPA would probably do the job quite nicely, but TFT is better. $700-$800 better? The clincher is battery life. The salesman told me that the HPA lasted 3.1 hours doing an unspecified battery benchmark program, while the TFT lasted 2.1 hours. I know better than to listen to every thing a salesperson says, so I was wondering if any of you complete strangers who I have never even met might have a second opinion on this (preferably an informed opinion :). -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 08:12:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA15092 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05333; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:09:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05227; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05209; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1g6.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.6]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA18548; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:09:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: RE: WINFAX PRO is screwing up my TP Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd95fb$15741160$068656d1@770> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3580B264.F37A677F@icanect.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Lloyd, FWIW, I have WinFax Pro 8.03 running on my ThinkPad 770 with no problems, although I think that the preinstalled RingCentral is not so happy having WinFax on board as well. I actually have it set up to use two different modems: the internal modem and a XIRCOM Lan/Modem combo card. WinFax is a complex program. You may want to snoop around all of its settings and also try a complete uninstall/install. You may also want to first uninstall the internal modem and the COM port and then let Windows reinstall both of these automatically when you reboot. If you are on CompuServe go to the SYMANTEC forum and post your problem there. In the past this has been a very active and responsive forum. I believe SYMANTEC's web site has some pretty good support areas for WinFax. Good luck. -Bill Lloyd Korn wrote: > I recently loaded WINfax Pro 8.03 on my Thinkpad 770. I finally tried > to use it last night. However, it didn't work amd as a result whenever > I now turn on my TP I get these Fax/Modem Error Alerts that come in > rapid fire that say "Error in setting Com state using the Microsoft > Telphony DLL" then "Error in ending session using the Microsoft > Telphony DLL". THe only way to stop these messages is to exit the > Winfax controller that automatically loads up when the machine boots > up. In checking the modem setup in WF, the port is set for TAPI. In > addition, In doing a test of the ports in Winfax, it recognizes the > modem on not only COM 2 (the only Com the modem is set for) but also > on COM8 (?) and 9 (?). Perhaps this confuses Winfax in not knowing > which port to choose. Can anyone tell me what's wrong and how to fix > it so WINFAX will work with my TP770. Is there any literature out > there to explain and correct the problem? Thanks, Lloyd Korn -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 10:38:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16941 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11979; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:34:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11770; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from admin.inetport.com (inetport.com [204.96.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11758; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (ip25.isdn6-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.2.25]) by admin.inetport.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA21069 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:34:28 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:34:43 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Internal Modem Message-ID: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Regarding recent advice on reinistalling the internal 770 modem, please be careful because there are software problems. I experienced substantial system corruption as a result of the installer misfiring. This is a special risk if you have Microsoft Internet Explorer installed: you should definitely remove IE before reinstalling the modem. ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 10:58:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17199 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13496; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:55:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13376; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13362; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08743 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BD95F0.B6F151C0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:56:13 -0400 Message-ID: <01BD95F0.B6F151C0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: RE: TFT vs HPA Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:56:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I assume you're flying coast to coast? I thought that using the CD-ROM was illegal during flight... (because one of the electrical harmonics interferes with air traffic communications...). Has that changed? In flight I loved my TP701 for not having a CD-ROM - the flight attendants were going around checking! axel On Friday, June 12, 1998 7:35 AM, Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: %I've got a 770 with 13"XGA TFT, 5.1GB, DVD and 160MB of RAM (running %Windows 98) and have been able to consistently go coast to coast using 1.5 %batteries. That adds up to about 6 hrs 30 mins. This is with running the %DVD as a CD (music) player and doing developer type stuff (mostly working %inside VisualStudio doing compiles, etc....). Your salesman appears to be %slightly off ;-) ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 11:45:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18039 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15581; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:38:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15302; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15289; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:38:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21551; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28623; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.1 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256621.00536A80 ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:11:07 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Axel Hartmann cc: Thinkpad mailing list Message-ID: <85256621.005363D5.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:03:58 -0400 Subject: RE: TFT vs HPA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's only not allowed (neither is the computer itself) during take off and landing... And yes, I'm flying ;-) -Bill Axel Hartmann on 06/12/98 10:56:11 AM To: Thinkpad mailing list cc: Subject: RE: TFT vs HPA I assume you're flying coast to coast? I thought that using the CD-ROM was illegal during flight... (because one of the electrical harmonics interferes with air traffic communications...). Has that changed? In flight I loved my TP701 for not having a CD-ROM - the flight attendants were going around checking! axel On Friday, June 12, 1998 7:35 AM, Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: %I've got a 770 with 13"XGA TFT, 5.1GB, DVD and 160MB of RAM (running %Windows 98) and have been able to consistently go coast to coast using 1.5 %batteries. That adds up to about 6 hrs 30 mins. This is with running the %DVD as a CD (music) player and doing developer type stuff (mostly working %inside VisualStudio doing compiles, etc....). Your salesman appears to be %slightly off ;-) ........................................................................... . . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ........................................................................... . . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ........................................................................... . From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 11:54:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18215 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16179; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:51:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16059; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (root@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16028; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dseaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA03582 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806121551.IAA03582@marlin.nosc.mil> X-Sender: dseaman@marlin.nosc.mil X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:50:22 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Derek Seaman Subject: Xircom In-Reply-To: <000001bd9508$35da0700$47915dcf@corcovado> References: <357F7667.E9D86DBB@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Does anyone have any experience with using the Xirom RealPort (modem/ethernet) in a Thinkpad 600? You might ask why I want a modem/ethernet combo when the thinkpad has a built in modem. I really like the idea of no dongles or cables. Will there be any device conflict with having two modems? On a different note, has anyone tried Windows 98 on a TP 600? Any snafoos? Thanks Derek L. Seaman, Engineer Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 SPAWAR System Center, San Diego dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Ph: (619) 553-6795 Fx: (619) 553-1133 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 12:11:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18496 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17223; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:08:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17075; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17060; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1g3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.3]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA24564 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:07:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: Xircom Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:08:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd961c$61512340$038656d1@770> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199806121551.IAA03582@marlin.nosc.mil> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Derek, I have used the XIRCOM lan/modem combo card in a TP770 for some time now. No problems running two modems. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:50 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Xircom Hello! Does anyone have any experience with using the Xirom RealPort (modem/ethernet) in a Thinkpad 600? You might ask why I want a modem/ethernet combo when the thinkpad has a built in modem. I really like the idea of no dongles or cables. Will there be any device conflict with having two modems? On a different note, has anyone tried Windows 98 on a TP 600? Any snafoos? Thanks Derek L. Seaman, Engineer Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 SPAWAR System Center, San Diego dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Ph: (619) 553-6795 Fx: (619) 553-1133 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 13:03:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19449 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19821; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19541; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19521; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (191.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.191]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA19623; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35815E06.FF2E6396@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:57:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Daum CC: Ray Bayles , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Hard disk - crash? References: <004201bd9560$1f0719c0$a25242cf@kglp> <3580C5E4.553E@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bryan.. IF it is the card on the HDD, then you CAN swap it for a different card from another HDD of the exact same type, then recover your data.. note the word "IF" if the drive just died, from an internal part failing, then you should send it to a data recovery firm, which can recover your data at a price..! it all dependa upon how important this data is and how long ago you did your last backup, and of course, if the data is still there to be recovered.. IBM will send you a new HDD with nothing on it and you must return the old HDD.. Bryan Daum wrote: > If this is the case: controller card failure do I get my data back? > or just a new drive? > > Bryan > > Ray Bayles wrote: > > > > Sounds like a controller card failure... and it should be covered under > > the warrantee if you bought it new -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 13:20:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19970 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20845; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:17:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20653; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20629; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (191.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.191]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA25940; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358162A0.6E56FFE8@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:17:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Seaman CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Xircom References: <357F7667.E9D86DBB@icanect.net> <199806121551.IAA03582@marlin.nosc.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Derek.. i have run two modems in a TP, even calling myself.. sometimes its tough to turn off the internal modem and NOT have win9x find it again and again.. i had one 600 for a few hours then sent it to germany so no time to really get to know it.. it IS a super machine.. no experience with this xircom modem/lan card.. but i wonder why the dongle issue, the tel line plugs into the TP with only the cable.. is the xircom a wirless unit..?? Derek Seaman wrote: > Hello! > > Does anyone have any experience with using the Xirom RealPort > (modem/ethernet) in a Thinkpad 600? You might ask why I want a > modem/ethernet combo when the thinkpad has a built in modem. I really like > the idea of no dongles or cables. > > Will there be any device conflict with having two modems? On a different > note, has anyone tried Windows 98 on a TP 600? Any snafoos? > > Thanks > > Derek L. Seaman, Engineer > Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 > SPAWAR System Center, San Diego > dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > Ph: (619) 553-6795 > Fx: (619) 553-1133 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 13:24:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20139 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21207; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21005; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20985; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (191.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.191]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA26925; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35816356.EAFF2394@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:20:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Daum CC: Ray Bayles , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 Hard disk - crash? References: <004201bd9560$1f0719c0$a25242cf@kglp> <3580C5E4.553E@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bryan.. also note that the controller card on a HDD might contain some data specific to the particular HDA to which it is attached.. (like a defect table) Bryan Daum wrote: > If this is the case: controller card failure do I get my data back? > or just a new drive? > > Bryan > > Ray Bayles wrote: > > > > Sounds like a controller card failure... and it should be covered under > > the warrantee if you bought it new -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 12 13:26:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20181 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21500; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:23:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21289; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21272; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a36.tc24.theriver.com [206.102.192.36]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03792; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:22:55 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35816416.B1057328@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:23:34 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Xircom References: <000001bd961c$61512340$038656d1@770> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have two modems running right now in my Thinkpad 760ED, although I disabled the MWave Modem. It's fun... James William Armstrong wrote: > > Derek, > > I have used the XIRCOM lan/modem combo card in a TP770 for some time now. No > problems running two modems. > > -Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Derek Seaman [mailto:dseaman@spawar.navy.mil] > Sent: Friday, June 12, 1998 11:50 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Xircom > > Hello! > > Does anyone have any experience with using the Xirom RealPort > (modem/ethernet) in a Thinkpad 600? You might ask why I want a > modem/ethernet combo when the thinkpad has a built in modem. I really like > the idea of no dongles or cables. > > Will there be any device conflict with having two modems? On a different > note, has anyone tried Windows 98 on a TP 600? Any snafoos? > > Thanks > > Derek L. Seaman, Engineer > Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 > SPAWAR System Center, San Diego > dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > Ph: (619) 553-6795 > Fx: (619) 553-1133 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 01:11:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00811 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14788; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:07:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14637; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radius1.teleport.com (radius1.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14617; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execed4.usc.edu (pdx77-i48-06.teleport.com [204.202.175.20]) by radius1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA25052 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35820F2A.2237@teleport.com> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:33:30 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Was: 701 Hard disk - crash? References: <004201bd9560$1f0719c0$a25242cf@kglp> <3580C5E4.553E@teleport.com> <35816356.EAFF2394@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks all for the info on my first hard disk loss. It goes back to IBM next week. The quote on recovery assessment approaches that of a new drive while the recovery itself perhaps triples the costs. What an eye opener. While I wish that I had backed up more I guess I can live with what I have...and there are these new High Speed drives on Bill's site... Bryan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 02:00:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01709 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15862; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:58:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15742; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15730; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 01:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IY61KQDNUMAW2P3K@cc.usu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:57:59 MST Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:58:17 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: Was: 701 Hard disk - crash? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <358214F9.7792FEB5@cc.usu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <004201bd9560$1f0719c0$a25242cf@kglp> <3580C5E4.553E@teleport.com> <35816356.EAFF2394@icanect.net> <35820F2A.2237@teleport.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was wondering, did you try running fdisk just to see if it recognizes a drive? (don't partition the drive just run fdisk and see what it reports) It's possible just the boot partition is messed up. -Greg A. Bryan Daum wrote: > > Thanks all for the info on my first hard disk loss. It goes back to IBM > next week. > > The quote on recovery assessment approaches that of a new drive while > the recovery itself perhaps triples the costs. What an eye opener. > While I wish that I had backed up more I guess I can live with what I > have...and there are these new High Speed drives on Bill's site... > > Bryan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 02:58:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02354 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17498; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:54:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17341; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17329; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 02:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts16.loop.net (p22.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.37]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04635 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806130653.XAA04635@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 21:01:15 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP710T - AC Adapter Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I asked before if anyone knew what I could use to power up a ThinkPad 710T. I was told by someone that I could use a 355/360 AC adapter, but I called the guy I bought it from, and he said it is a circular connector. I don't have the machine in front of me, but should have it in my hands this Thursday or Friday to actually take a look at it. Thanks for any suggestions. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 03:12:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02533 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18199; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:08:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17972; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17957; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts16.loop.net (p22.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.37]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA05742; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806130708.AAA05742@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Greg Alvandian" Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 00:08:27 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Was: 701 Hard disk - crash? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:58:17 -0600, Greg Alvandian wrote: >I was wondering, did you try running fdisk just to see if it recognizes >a drive? (don't partition the drive just run fdisk and see what it >reports) It's possible just the boot partition is messed up. This is currently what happened with my drive in my 701 (I can't read Drive D:, but can recover it in the future). I think Bryan's situation is different, because the machine itself won't see the drive in the BIOS. If the firmware doesn't detect it, neither will an OS. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 03:19:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02629 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19117; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:15:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18777; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18727; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p22.hwts16.loop.net (p22.hwts16.loop.net [207.211.63.37]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA06308; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806130715.AAA06308@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Derek Seaman" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 00:15:22 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Xircom Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Will there be any device conflict with having two modems? On a different >note, has anyone tried Windows 98 on a TP 600? Any snafoos? > As long as you can set the IRQs for the modem and ethernet (unless they share a single IRQ), you should be okay. Check with Xircom first to make sure. Alternatively, maybe Windows 95's PCMCIA utiltity will let you allocate a set IRQ for ANY modem you stick into your PCMCIA slot (to make things easier). This is how my machine is setup. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 08:07:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05327 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29307; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:04:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29196; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from admin.inetport.com (inetport.com [204.96.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29184; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (ip152.isdn6-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.2.152]) by admin.inetport.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA02081 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 07:04:25 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:04:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Is My ThinkPad my PAL? Message-ID: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Attention all video people!!! Please advise. I want to buy a digital video camera (the new Canon ZR looks pretty sexy) but am terrified as to whether I can use it with my ThinkPad, and particularly on an international basis. Firstly, and on a basic matter, has anyone tried to capture video from one of these new cameras and with what success? And, not a trivial point, how much disk space is needed to save a movie complete with sound track -- if it's a gig a minute that might be difficult! The more difficult question is about the ThinkPad's ability to switch between NTSC and PAL. This is important because I'm in Europe a lot and would want to hook up to TVs there and because the camera must be bought in *either* NSTC or PAL configuration and is not available in both. I notice that the ThinkPad can be switched between NTSC or PAL (in ThinkPad configuration). Does this mean that if one gets output from an NTSC-based camera one can switch over and then output from the ThinkPad to a PAL TV in PAL? Many thanks on your indsight on this. I would really rather not buy an expensive new toy and then discover it doesn't work with the computer! ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 12:42:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07946 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04395; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:39:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04273; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from admin.inetport.com (inetport.com [204.96.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04261; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (ip25.isdn1-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.5.25]) by admin.inetport.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA09486 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:39:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:39:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: oops! Message-ID: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OOPS -- in my video inquiry I forgot to say which machine I have: it's a 770-1AU ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 13:12:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08359 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05448; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:09:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05308; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (dseaman@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05295; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dseaman@localhost) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10950 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:09:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek L. Seaman" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 600 or 770 ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am torn between getting the TP 600 and a 770. It it seems the 770 costs a lot more (specially since the CD-rom is extra). I do like the extra resolution for external monitors the 770 offers. But I will be traveling a lot, so weight is a consideration. I know the 600 is wimpy in performance, and the 770 screams, but I'm very attracted to the slim and lightweight features of the 600. Any suggestions? Derek From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 14:06:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08931 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06479; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:03:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06394; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06377; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (147.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.147]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA02736; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3582BF17.68FCCB28@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:04:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Derek L. Seaman" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Derek.. Derek L. Seaman wrote: > I am torn between getting the TP 600 and a 770. It it seems the 770 costs > a lot more (specially since the CD-rom is extra). DVD-CD-ROM is standard on the 770-5AU..go take a look at the various specs for each model on my web site.. > I do like the extra > resolution for external monitors the 770 offers. But I will be traveling a > lot, so weight is a consideration. > you walking..?? :-)if so, weight is a major consideration.. if flying, less so.. etc. > I know the 600 is wimpy in performance, and the 770 screams, but I'm very > attracted to the slim and lightweight features of the 600. > there have been glowing reports on the 600..they are hard to get.. still constrained.. street price is around $4500.. and they come in various flavors.. the top model is the one i speak about.. these have a 13.3 inch TFT display, 4gig HDD and standard CD.. really nice machine, but 770ED is only $1k more and you get a lot more.. (weight included at no extra charge, no wheels on the bottom) > Any suggestions? > think for yourself.. ! :-)) > Derek -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 14:13:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08984 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06964; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:10:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06796; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06784; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (147.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.147]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA04134; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3582C0C4.E8D69A62@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:11:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" CC: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Is My ThinkPad my PAL? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Mr. Richmond.. Jonathan E. D. Richmond wrote: > Attention all video people!!! Please advise. > not a video person, but like everyone, i have an as..... uhh.. opinion..!! > I want to buy a digital video camera (the new Canon ZR looks pretty sexy) > but am terrified as to whether I can use it with my ThinkPad, and > particularly on an international basis. > you should be able to do so.. > Firstly, and on a basic matter, has anyone tried to capture video from one > of these new cameras and with what success? And, not a trivial point, how > much disk space is needed to save a movie complete with sound track -- if > it's a gig a minute that might be difficult! > much more disk space than you have now..if you INSIST, i have some 8.1gig drives for you.. 40 should do the trick.. :-) you can capture a few frames with the 5.1gig drive.. and maybe not full size frames at that.. thats why they have DVD.. gigabyte DVD CD's.. Digital Video Producer is not great.. you'll need a better video capture utility.. > The more difficult question is about the ThinkPad's ability to switch > between NTSC and PAL. This is important because I'm in Europe a lot and > would want to hook up to TVs there and because the camera must be bought > in *either* NSTC or PAL configuration and is not available in both. > never tried it.. supposedly its easy.. > I notice that the ThinkPad can be switched between NTSC or PAL (in > ThinkPad configuration). Does this mean that if one gets output from an > NTSC-based camera one can switch over and then output from the ThinkPad to > a PAL TV in PAL? > hmm.. interesting question..the video guys will need to answer that one for now.. > Many thanks on your indsight on this. I would really rather not buy an > expensive new toy and then discover it doesn't work with the computer! > you came to one of the right places.. :-)many opinions here.. in fact, we're up to our eyebrows in opinions.. :-) -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 16:34:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10392 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09532; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:32:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09428; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09416; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA25020 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 15:32:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806132032.PAA25020@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:31:48 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:09 AM 6/13/98 , Derek L. Seaman wrote: > >I am torn between getting the TP 600 and a 770. It it seems the 770 costs >a lot more (specially since the CD-rom is extra). I do like the extra >resolution for external monitors the 770 offers. But I will be traveling a >lot, so weight is a consideration. > >I know the 600 is wimpy in performance, and the 770 screams, but I'm very >attracted to the slim and lightweight features of the 600. Haven't the reports been along these lines: "The 770ED is one of the fastest PII-266 notebooks and the 600 is in the middle of the pack, but they are all so close in performance that you'd never notice the difference." I was more concerned about giving up the extra disk space--you can get a 770ED with an 8Gb drive, twice the size of the 600's. But it turned out what I really needed to do was duplicate my home office's two-machine software development setup (a powerful machine to develop on, and a hand-me-down second system for testing). So I picked up a Toshiba Libretto 50 to carry around with the TP600. It makes a perfect test system, and even though it's only two pounds, I'm glad I'm adding that two pounds to the TP600 and not to a 770. I notice its lighter weight a lot more than I'd ever notice a few percent difference in performance. (The 770ED's extra storage would be nice, but I put a 3.2Gb drive in the Libretto and the machines are networked together, so I can do some nice things with that.) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 17:53:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA11167 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11273; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:50:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11130; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11118; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16192; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:49:44 -1000 Message-ID: <002d01bd9715$541c7360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" , "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Is My ThinkPad my PAL? Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 11:50:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Firstly, and on a basic matter, has anyone tried to capture video from one >of these new cameras and with what success? And, not a trivial point, how >much disk space is needed to save a movie complete with sound track -- if >it's a gig a minute that might be difficult! I think Popular Photography had a review within the last few months. The movie question depends a bit on software - video can be compressed quite a lot these days, but really tight compression won't be done in real-time while you record. You might consider one of those little enclosures into which you can stick a HD; these are probably on the slow side for everyday operation, but would be good for storing movies after you take them - when one HD fills up, just pop it out, file it away, and pop in a new one. You can get enclosures which interface with your laptop both off the parallel port and pcmcia. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 19:08:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11890 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12829; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12706; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulster.net (root@ulster.net [208.148.73.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12692; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meridianmain (annex4-port29.ulster.net [208.148.184.29]) by ulster.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA16656 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:08:59 -0400 From: "Bill McVicker" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP 770E AC power Question Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:13:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd9720$d5c6dfd0$00007d7d@meridianmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just purchased a Thinkpad 770E, this is the first laptop I've owned. A friend told me that you should run it mainly off of the battery, and recharge it with the AC adapter when you're not using it. I can find nothing in the documentation saying anything like this. I'm using it as a desktop replacement machine, so when I'm working on it, generally I want to leave it plugged in, and use the battery while on the road. My question is... will it hurt the battery to leave the computer plugged into the AC most of the time? Thanks in Advance Bill From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 19:59:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12387 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13960; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:56:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13861; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulster.net (root@ulster.net [208.148.73.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13849; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meridianmain (annex5-port26.ulster.net [208.133.196.26]) by ulster.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA19354 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:00:45 -0400 From: "Bill McVicker" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: TP 770E AC power Question Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:04:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bd9728$11493ba0$00007d7d@meridianmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-reply-to: <199806132348.QAA03865@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I LOVE IT, The screen, the speed, the memory (upgraded to 160Meg). I'm running NT 4.0 and am having a ball So your saying that leaving the battery in and running off of AC won't hurt it? > -----Original Message----- > From: Stuart Biggar [mailto:Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.Arizona.EDU] > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 7:48 PM > To: mcvick@ulster.net > Subject: Re: TP 770E AC power Question > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 13 16:08 MST 1998 > > My experience with a 755CX and a 765D says that you run plugged > in except for when you need the battery. It used to be with > NiCad (and NiMH to a lesser extent) you needed to run the battery > down almost completely and then recharge fully or the battery would > develop a "memory" effect that reduced the effective charge. For > example for a battery with a 2 hr life, if you ran it for only 30 > min and then recharged, after a while the battery would only last > 30 min. You could recover it by running it to full discharge and > full recharge a couple of cycles. (Years ago when I was flying > a helicopter with a BIG NiCad starter battery, the battery shop > removed the battery every 30 days to cycle it to regain its full > capacity. This is of course a completely different application > but the effect is the same - you want full capacity so you have > to treat a NiCad correctly - if you do they work well and can > demonstrate lifes of about 1000 full charge - discharge cycles.) > > Current LiIon batteries have virtually no "memory" effect and they > have more power per weight so they are used instead of NiCads now. > The do cost more however :-) > > I'm waiting for a 770E (it has been ordered). How do you like yours? > > Good luck, > > Stuart > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 > Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 > Optical Sciences Center > University of Arizona > Meinel Building > PO Box 210094 > Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: > Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------- > > > Thanks in Advance > > Bill > > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 20:19:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12656 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14516; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:15:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14410; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAINE.maine.edu (SMTP2@maine.maine.edu [130.111.39.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14398; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wgh(24.128.124.52) by MAINE.maine.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Sat, 13 Jun 98 20:14:40 EDT From: "Walt" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: TP 770E AC power Question Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd9729$8d27efe0$347c8018@wgh.ne.mediaone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000201bd9728$11493ba0$00007d7d@meridianmain> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Base on my observations of my 365XD, if you leave the machine plugged in all the time it will charge the battery and turn off the charger. It does not appear to ever turn on the charger again (even if the battery slowly discharges itself over a period of weeks or months). If power is removed and re-applied, the Thinkpad will top off the battery. The only downside that I have seen is that over time the battery will lose it's charge, so you could end up on the road with a relatively useless battery. If anyone has any facts to confirm (or denounce) my theory, I'd be interested. W. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 13 21:15:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13328 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15783; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:12:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15688; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulster.net (root@ulster.net [208.148.73.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15676; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meridianmain (annex5-port26.ulster.net [208.133.196.26]) by ulster.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA23812 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:16:44 -0400 From: "Bill McVicker" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: TP 770E AC power Question Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:20:56 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bd9732$aecbc230$00007d7d@meridianmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-reply-to: <199806140004.RAA03880@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > That is the one I have ordered. Mine originally came with Win95, but I prefer NT. > One more question - does the 770E have a fan and if so, is it > fairly quiet? > > The reason I ask is that the fan in my 765D is fairly noisy > (at least it is in a quiet home). I have 4 kids and a pregnant wife, (i.e. my home is never "quiet") But I can say this... it's quieter than my desktop(K6-233) You can hear the fan a little bit, but it's all relative I think From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 00:05:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16552 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19502; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:59:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19231; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns2.dreamcom.net (alpha2.dreamcom.net [209.113.142.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19214; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dreamcom.net (dialup-066.dreamcom.net [209.51.226.66]) by ns2.dreamcom.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA23942 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: <35834B88.1CC8@dreamcom.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:03:20 -0400 From: fmc Reply-To: fmc@dreamcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: unsubscribe References: <000101bd9720$d5c6dfd0$00007d7d@meridianmain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 02:36:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18595 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22525; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:26:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22405; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22391; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (195.p1.Ascend08.MIA.Icanect.Net [206.142.162.195]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA25085; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35836D1C.AF5CD9A8@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:26:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill McVicker CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP 770E AC power Question References: <000101bd9720$d5c6dfd0$00007d7d@meridianmain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill.. Bill McVicker wrote: > I just purchased a Thinkpad 770E, this is the first laptop I've owned. A > friend told me that you should run it mainly off of the battery, and > recharge it with the AC adapter when you're not using it. I can find > nothing in the documentation saying anything like this. I'm using it as a > desktop replacement machine, so when I'm working on it, generally I want to > leave it plugged in, and use the battery while on the road. > > My question is... will it hurt the battery to leave the computer plugged > into the AC most of the time? > No, it will not hurt it.. it may discharge down to 95%, but below that the charger wilol come on, and top it off.. Li technology is much better than NiMH or NiCAD.. though NiMH has a lot to reccomend it..!! -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 02:57:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA18848 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23328; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:53:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23120; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23108; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 02:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-016.usc.edu [128.125.223.16]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id VAA16645; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806140448.VAA16645@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:58:34 -0700 To: "Derek L. Seaman" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:09 AM 6/13/98 , Derek L. Seaman wrote: > >I am torn between getting the TP 600 and a 770. It it seems the 770 costs >a lot more (specially since the CD-rom is extra). I do like the extra >resolution for external monitors the 770 offers. But I will be traveling a >lot, so weight is a consideration. > >I know the 600 is wimpy in performance, and the 770 screams, but I'm very >attracted to the slim and lightweight features of the 600. > >Any suggestions? Were you just not paying attention to everything that has been discussed about the pros & cons of these two machines over the last 2 weeks? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 03:41:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA19409 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25520; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25345; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25333; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-38.pacificnet.net [207.171.38.231]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA11984 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:36:22 -0700 (PDT) env-from (Bry.W@usa.net) Message-ID: <001901bd9767$217e6880$e726abcf@default> Reply-To: "Bryan Winter" From: "Bryan Winter" To: Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:36:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle To: Derek L. Seaman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, June 13, 1998 11:54 PM Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? >At 10:09 AM 6/13/98 , Derek L. Seaman wrote: >> >>I am torn between getting the TP 600 and a 770. It it seems the 770 costs >>a lot more (specially since the CD-rom is extra). I do like the extra >>resolution for external monitors the 770 offers. But I will be traveling a >>lot, so weight is a consideration. >> >>I know the 600 is wimpy in performance, and the 770 screams, but I'm very >>attracted to the slim and lightweight features of the 600. >> >>Any suggestions? > > Were you just not paying attention to everything that has been discussed >about the pros & cons of these two machines over the last 2 weeks? > >------- >Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 >Director, Electronic Commerce Program >Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California I guess it's also possible that he's new. In any event, your message is pointless, rude and snotty. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 04:10:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA19718 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26394; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:05:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26241; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26229; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16086; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id BAA10643; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Randal Whittle cc: "Derek L. Seaman" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? In-Reply-To: <199806140448.VAA16645@almaak.usc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Randal Whittle wrote: > Were you just not paying attention to everything that has been discussed > about the pros & cons of these two machines over the last 2 weeks? No of course not. This list has far too high a volume for me to read everything. Many if not most of us just read what pertains to our machine or all tpads. In my case I buy my own machines but if my boss steped in and said you can have a new laptop. Well then I would read the pros & cons. When I buy my next machine you can bet I'll pay attention. Till then no. Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 09:44:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22653 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07067; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:34:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06836; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06818; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u6o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.248.216]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA10981; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980614092709.00a81b10@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:27:09 -0400 To: Randal Whittle , "Derek L. Seaman" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806140448.VAA16645@almaak.usc.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:58 PM 6/13/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Were you just not paying attention to everything that has been discussed >about the pros & cons of these two machines over the last 2 weeks? > Randal, I'm surprised at this note. Not your usual style. Baby keep you up the last few nights? Much more helpful to just tell him that the archives are at http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~cph/thinkpad.html (thank you, Chris), don'tcha think? Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 11:06:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23714 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08633; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:02:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08450; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oso.slonet.org (root@oso.slonet.org [207.114.180.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08437; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oso.slonet.org (lbissell@oso.slonet.org [207.114.180.2]) by oso.slonet.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA17856 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 07:58:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Larry L. Bissell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe LARRY L.BISSELL>>>>>>>>>> architect |||| PO Box 12559 San Luis Obispo, Ca. 93406 |||| 805-543-6842 ... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 12:26:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24636 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10342; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:22:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10160; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10148; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-039.usc.edu [128.125.223.39]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA12336; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:21:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:40:47 -0700 To: Jane Loyless From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980614092709.00a81b10@pop.mindspring.com> References: <199806140448.VAA16645@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:27 AM 6/14/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >At 12:58 PM 6/13/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Were you just not paying attention to everything that has been discussed >>about the pros & cons of these two machines over the last 2 weeks? > >I'm surprised at this note. Not your usual style. Baby keep you up the >last few nights? Not my usual style, true...I just can't believe that question was asked, given that very subject matter literally dominated the discussion list for the last 2 weeks. Its like the person who falls asleep during the movie and then asks to be caught up on what he missed. >Much more helpful to just tell him that the archives are at >http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~cph/thinkpad.html (thank you, Chris), don'tcha >think? Yes. (Sheepish Grin) ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 15:14:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26753 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12608; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:40:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12317; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12300; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-0.pacificnet.net [207.171.38.193]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA11406 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:39:37 -0700 (PDT) env-from (Bry.W@usa.net) Message-ID: <002201bd97bb$663a0980$c126abcf@default> Reply-To: "Bryan Winter" From: "Bryan Winter" To: Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 10:39:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----Original Message----- > He's not new, just lazy. And terribly self-centered if he expects to pop >in, ask a question who's answer has been beaten to death for the last 2 >weeks if only he had bothered to pay a little attention. > > The community of users have *already*--and very recently--provided the >answers to the question he asked and he didn't give a damn to pay attention >to it until it suited his fancy. He treated everyone's contributions as >though we should all jump when asks us to instead of paying attenion all >along or doing a little homework of his own. Outrageous of him not to study this list until it was useful to him! The absolute gall, to use this list for its intended purpose! Doesn't he know it's really where Randy Whittle holds court??? You seem to have made quite a study of his personality and motivations. You know things about him that few could discern from a mere ThinkPad question, which (gasp!) he dared ask on the ThinkPad list. I commend you. Or maybe you just realize that you've made an ass of yourself, and lack the balls to admit it. > *That's* what is pointless, rude, and snotty, dear sir. If you can't see >that then you are severely lacking a clue. I can certainly see what passes for civility at USC. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 14 15:46:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27230 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14329; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:18:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14205; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from admin.inetport.com (inetport.com [204.96.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14193; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (ip49.isdn6-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.2.49]) by admin.inetport.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15768 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:18:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:18:40 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Dear Children! Message-ID: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear Children, could you please stop this SILLY nastiness right now. It's exactly what makes people unsubscribe from mailing lists. If you must continue, please do it privately. ----- Jonathan E. D. 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X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 1 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 07:23:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08639 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02753; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:58:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02098; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02081; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-112-94.ny.us.ibm.net [32.100.112.94]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA55724 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:21:30 GMT Message-ID: <3584AF5A.3CB9DA62@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 01:21:30 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 770E AC power Question References: <000101bd9720$d5c6dfd0$00007d7d@meridianmain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Your friend is wrong when he says you should run the computer mainly off the battery. Isn't it even inconvenient having to monitor remaining battery power during work so that you can restore AC power at the right moment? I run my ThinkPad off AC power at home and at work and haven't used the battery in weeks. Therefore, I have removed the battery which leaves me with less weight to carry around. I assume that removing the battery also prolongs its life span because it isn't constantly discharged a little and then recharged. IBM writes: "Do not charge the battery pack until all of its power is used. Partial charge or discharge causes a lack of uniformity of activated chemicals in the cell, and may cause performance degradation." However, "if the battery pack is new or has not been used for a long time, it will not be fully charged with only a single charging. You will have to completely use it up, then recharge it three to six times to maximize battery operating time." What you do depends on your usage pattern. Friedrich Huebler Bill McVicker wrote: > [...] > A friend told me that you should run it mainly off of the battery, and > recharge it with the AC adapter when you're not using it. > [...] > My question is... will it hurt the battery to leave the computer plugged > into the AC most of the time? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 07:45:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08867 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03701; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:21:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03598; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03107; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts09.loop.net (p14.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.59]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13322; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806150705.AAA13322@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bryan Winter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 00:06:08 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Outrageous of him not to study this list until it was useful to him! The >absolute gall, to use this list for its intended purpose! Doesn't he know >it's really where Randy Whittle holds court??? > >You seem to have made quite a study of his personality and motivations. You >know things about him that few could discern from a mere ThinkPad question, >which (gasp!) he dared ask on the ThinkPad list. I commend you. > >Or maybe you just realize that you've made an ass of yourself, and lack the >balls to admit it. > No comment, except that it was a rude response, and posted to the whole list at that. Not to mention that I keep archives of everything said on this list, so if I ever make an archive web site, it's up for everyone to see... > >> *That's* what is pointless, rude, and snotty, dear sir. If you can't see >>that then you are severely lacking a clue. > > >I can certainly see what passes for civility at USC. > I also am surprised why everyone is being so rude on this topic anyways. Besides Randal, it's not a small matter putting down several thousand dollars for a ThinkPad, then to find out that it doesn't suit your needs. It's like buying a Miata, but finding that a 4 door sedan would have been more useful (okay, different example, but you get it). I guess we should start taking this privately, and get on with regular, polite questions/answers. Just my 2 cents (out of the several hundred dollars I've already deposited to the list ). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 07:52:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08905 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04204; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:28:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04102; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03813; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts09.loop.net (p14.hwts09.loop.net [207.211.62.59]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA11850; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:23:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806150623.XAA11850@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Derek L. Seaman" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 09:53:33 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:58:34 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:09 AM 6/13/98 , Derek L. Seaman wrote: >> >>I am torn between getting the TP 600 and a 770. It it seems the 770 costs >>a lot more (specially since the CD-rom is extra). I do like the extra >>resolution for external monitors the 770 offers. But I will be traveling a >>lot, so weight is a consideration. >> >>I know the 600 is wimpy in performance, and the 770 screams, but I'm very >>attracted to the slim and lightweight features of the 600. >> >>Any suggestions? > > Were you just not paying attention to everything that has been discussed >about the pros & cons of these two machines over the last 2 weeks? > Wouldn't you think that some people are still a little confused? I think what would maybe be nice would be a side-by-side comparison in HTML (standard HTML, no browser specific crap). Anyone up to this? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 08:09:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09096 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05940; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:51:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05826; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05812; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-206.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.206]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA28670 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:17:46 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806150717.JAA28670@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:19:29 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: Memory card to sell Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I have two memory cards that I used inside my 755 CDV to sell one is 8M and the second 16M Anyone interested ? Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 06/15/98 08:44:21 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 08:24:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09330 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07166; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:11:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06938; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06919; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21449; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:10:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (rasgvnt0309.uhc.com [168.183.199.18]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA21427; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:10:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980615080310.00a56d90@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:03:10 -0400 To: "Bryan Winter" , From: Jane Loyless Subject: Civility on the list In-Reply-To: <002201bd97bb$663a0980$c126abcf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bryan, I objected to Randell's original answer, and I object to your response. This list is not comp.sys.laptops although recently it has begun to resemble it. Perhaps it would help if everyone would write as though his or her parents subscribed to this list as I hope our parents tried to teach us to be civil to others. Thanks, Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 08:35:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09404 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08004; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:28:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07896; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulster.net (root@ulster.net [208.148.73.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07873; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meridianmain (annex4-port15.ulster.net [208.148.184.15]) by ulster.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id GAA29673 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:31:58 -0400 From: "Bill McVicker" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: 770E and OPENGL Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:36:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bd985a$28231bb0$00007d7d@meridianmain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, At the IBM Thinkpad website for the 770 laptop, they mention that it supports the OpenGL 3-D graphics mode. I decided to try this out, and installed Quake 2 on the system, and while it's true it will run under the default OpenGL standard, it is also PAINFULLY SLOW. Anyone have any ideas how to speed it up? The laptop itself has a PII 266, with 160 Meg of RAM. So I think I'm set resource-wise. Any help would be appreciated Bill From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 08:51:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09704 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA09151; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:46:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08945; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08927; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA15174; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:47:59 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18573; Mon, 15 Jun 98 13:38:38 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:41:51 +0000 To: , Francois Hurter Subject: Re: Memory card to sell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 116e" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu =20 I've been offered a 16MB one for 40 pounds sterling including postage,= =20 so if you want to beat that=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________= _____ Subject: Memory card to sell Author: MIME:Francois Hurter at INTERNET Date: 15/06/98 13:21 Hi, I have two memory cards that I used inside my 755 CDV to sell=20 one is 8M and the second 16M Anyone interested ? Francois =20 =20 --------------------------------------=20 I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions =20 I'm running OS/2 because I want choice =20 06/15/98 08:44:21 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline=2Ech =20 ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 Harston Cambridge =20 CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 11:50:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13107 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22307; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20908; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juliet.its.uwo.ca (juliet.its.uwo.ca [129.100.2.61]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20753; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panther.uwo.ca by juliet.its.uwo.ca with ESMTP id LAA21840; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by panther.uwo.ca with SMTP id LAA10551; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "J. Starkey" X-Sender: jstarkey@panther.uwo.ca To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Starkey, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada N6A 3B7 tel: (519) 661 3185 fax: (519) 661 3198 e-mail: jstarkey@julian.uwo.ca From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 12:04:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13323 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23337; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:01:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23208; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radius1.teleport.com (radius1.teleport.com [192.108.254.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23142; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from execed4.usc.edu (pdx66-i48-25.teleport.com [204.202.171.231]) by radius1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA19974 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35853170.5BFB@teleport.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:36:32 -0700 From: Bryan Daum Organization: Allied Inspection Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Batteries Was:Re: TP 770E AC power Question References: <000101bd9720$d5c6dfd0$00007d7d@meridianmain> <3584AF5A.3CB9DA62@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a great topic: Batteries Do we have a real gru of battery technology on the list? That one would intentionally run their battery down on a regular basis is abusrd.[Note: I am not talking about a plan of initial or peroidic conditioning -a different interesting topic] The whole concipt of the laptop is its portability even for those of us who regularly use ac power -we still want to be ready to go. It would imply that in order to *properly* use our battery that we would risk departing with Thinkpad in hand and, say, 20 minutes of battery life left. You want your TP ready to go when you are hence you use it in the field, bring it home partially charged, plug it in overnight to be ready to go in the morining with a *full* charge. Nobody would want to fear partially using their power. Partial use of the battery is what we normally do. When we were stuck with "Super NiCads" we knew we had to deal with the reported memory effect....so we cheered when NiMH came along and I can testify there is a HUGE diffenence. 701's charging system (my frame of refenence) is great charging the battery and turning off with apparently no overcharging/damage to batteries but we are only talking NiMH (and the dreaded Supers). The new Lithium batteries and their charging systems MUST be as good or better (especially as the lithium batteries cost so much)-if they arn't it means that indeed you better have multiple batteries to do the 'use until fully discharged routine. I find it hard to believe that we now have a longer lasting charge battery that is less portable-useful ala the old Super Nicads. A lithium memory? Nah! When you get right down to it the instructions on the NiMH's use never made any sense either as the instructions paralled the NiCad instuctions. It always appeared that full discharge use actually weakened the battery if the battery gague can be believed. I have to believe that these new charging/use instructions are some boiler plate notions left over from days of yore. So where are the battery engineers?! Talk to us. Bryan > Your friend is wrong when he says you should run the computer mainly off > the battery. Isn't it even inconvenient having to monitor remaining > battery power during work so that you can restore AC power at the right > moment? > > I run my ThinkPad off AC power at home and at work and haven't used the > battery in weeks. Therefore, I have removed the battery which leaves me > with less weight to carry around. I assume that removing the battery > also prolongs its life span because it isn't constantly discharged a > little and then recharged. > > IBM writes: "Do not charge the battery pack until all of its power is > used. Partial charge or discharge causes a lack of uniformity of > activated chemicals in the cell, and may cause performance > degradation." However, "if the battery pack is new or has not been used > for a long time, it will not be fully charged with only a single > charging. You will have to completely use it up, then recharge it three > to six times to maximize battery operating time." > > What you do depends on your usage pattern. > > Friedrich Huebler > > Bill McVicker wrote: > > [...] > > A friend told me that you should run it mainly off of the battery, and > > recharge it with the AC adapter when you're not using it. > > [...] > > My question is... will it hurt the battery to leave the computer plugged > > into the AC most of the time? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 13:25:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14730 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03601; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:21:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03340; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03283; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806151720.NAA03283@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 17982 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1998 17:20:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO default) (195.100.239.76) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 17:20:48 -0000 Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helena_S=F6derholm?=" To: Subject: [755] My Power management is acting up Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:18:25 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Everyone ! Just recently my Thinkpad 755CD has begun to act irraticly when charging the battery. The alarm for low power (which I privately refer to as red alert) starts to go off only a few minutes after I have turned the computer on with the AC connection removed. The "Fuel" Window shows as much as 90% but still the alarm goes off and the battery LED blinks. Yet the computer runs for about an hour so, so there seem to be no problem with the battery. It could be considered a mere annoyance if it wasn't for the fact that the computer resets and wont come on again until I insert the AC adapter should I need to restart it. If this happens on the road there would be no more computing that day. And as I'm considering selling the machine I can't have weird things like this happening. That would lower the price I could get a bit, I think. Is there some way to get the power management to recalibrate or something, or to recognise the actual amount of charge left in the battery. Most thankful for any help Peter Soderholm From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 13:33:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14861 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04257; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:27:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04033; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bugs (bugs.bme.ri.ccf.org [139.137.180.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04009; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby (scooby.bme.ri.ccf.org) by bugs (4.1/5.921208) id AA16896; Mon, 15 Jun 98 13:29:07 EDT Received: from thebrain by scooby (4.1/5.921208) id AA16790; Mon, 15 Jun 98 13:29:06 EDT Sender: latsonl@bme.ri.ccf.org Message-Id: <358559E1.2781@bme.ri.ccf.org> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:29:05 -0400 From: Larry Latson Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 13:33:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14878 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04364; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:28:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04148; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from center.colgate.edu (center.colgate.edu [149.43.1.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04128; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from CENTER.COLGATE.EDU by CENTER.COLGATE.EDU (PMDF V5.1-9 #29263) id <01IY9MIZQVV48WYOK0@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:30:02 EST Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:30:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: unsubscribe To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IY9MIZRGKY8WYOK0@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 13:45:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15121 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05863; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:42:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05508; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05434; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id MAA19286; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:39:08 -0500 Message-ID: <35855CFB.16864A8B@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 15 Jun 1998 17:41:35 UT Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:42:19 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MAILER-DAEMON@cs.utk.edu CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [755] My Power management is acting up References: <199806151720.NAA03283@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm no battery expert, but there are a few things I've learned or heard a= bout over the years. First of all, use the 'Fuel' applet found in the ThinkPa= d utilities to completely discharge and re-charge your battery. Repeat thi= s procedure every other day for a week or so. This should help recondition= your battery, which may help with the low battery alarm. Also, I read the fol= lowing in the Road Warrior newsletter, which pertains to NiMH batteries ( http://www.warrior.com/library/rwn9504.html#2.0): >Let the battery run down in the computer completely. Connect the AC adap= ter and fully charge the battery so the charge display >reads "l 00%". With the AC adapter still connected, remove the battery f= or at least 30 seconds. Replace the battery and allow it >to fully charge again. > >This procedure should restore the battery to its normal operating time, although you may need to repeat it 2 or 3 times. If this >doesn't restore the normal operating time, the battery may require conditioning outside the computer using a conditioning charger. Hopefully these tips will help your battery situation. Rob Helena S=F6derholm wrote: > Hi Everyone ! > > Just recently my Thinkpad 755CD has begun to act irraticly when chargin= g > the battery. > The alarm for low power (which I privately refer to as red alert) start= s to > go off only a few minutes after I have turned the computer on with the = AC > connection removed. The "Fuel" Window shows as much as 90% but still th= e > alarm goes off and the battery LED blinks. Yet the computer runs for ab= out > an hour so, so there seem to be no problem with the battery. > It could be considered a mere annoyance if it wasn't for the fact that = the > computer resets and wont come on again until I insert the AC adapter sh= ould > I need to restart it. > > If this happens on the road there would be no more computing that day. = And > as I'm considering selling the machine I can't have weird things like t= his > happening. That would lower the price I could get a bit, I think. > > Is there some way to get the power management to recalibrate or somethi= ng, > or to recognise the actual amount of charge left in the battery. > > Most thankful for any help > Peter Soderholm -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@csc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= - From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 14:49:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16213 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09215; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:44:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09019; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (uhbhic.uhb.fr [192.134.240.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08978; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb1342.uhb.fr (cb1342.uhb.fr [192.134.240.31]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2.9.1) with SMTP id UAA02334 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:43:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3585EA92.7418@uhb.fr> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:46:26 -0700 From: sylvestre X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: DVD drive and CD-R / CD-RW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if the 770's DVD drive reads CD-R and CD-RW formats ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 14:51:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16237 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09479; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:47:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09283; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (uhbhic.uhb.fr [192.134.240.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09244; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cb1342.uhb.fr (cb1342.uhb.fr [192.134.240.31]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2.9.1) with SMTP id UAA20677 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:46:54 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3585EB53.6046@uhb.fr> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:49:39 -0700 From: sylvestre X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 and video capture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I already posted this question, but only got one answer. May I remind everyone that video capture is the only REAL difference between the 770 and its competitors ? I thought that more people would use this UNIQUE feature and send me their comments... According to what I read, the 770 is only powerful enough to capture video at 1/4 screen and 15 frames / second ? Could such an expansive machine produce such disapointing results ? Another question : how does Mpeg-1 compression affect 770's captured video quality ? thanks ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 14:57:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16362 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10083; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09932; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (cayuga.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09913; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from slate.cs.rochester.edu (slate.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.101]) by cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/O) with ESMTP id OAA01537 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:29 -0400 Received: from atto.cs.rochester.edu (atto.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.189]) by slate.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/O) with ESMTP id OAA15472 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:28 -0400 Received: (from bukys@localhost) by atto.cs.rochester.edu (SMI-8.6/N++) id OAA04320; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:27 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:53:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199806151853.OAA04320@atto.cs.rochester.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 770 -- size of cached memory Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can't tell from reading the materials I have: I know many PC motherboards use a memory management chipset with a hard-wired limit of 64MB cached memory. Anything you install beyond that is not cached and as a result makes the machine run slowly while accessing it as well. Does the TP770 have this 64MB cacheable memory problem? If so, are there any configuration things I can do to ameliorate any cache performance problems (i.e. create an in-memory pseudo-disk for swap) on my machine which I just upgraded to 96MB memory? Liudvikas Bukys University of Rochester Computer Science Department 734 Computer Studies Building Rochester, NY 14627-0226 tel# 716-275-7747 fax# 716-461-2018 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 14:59:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16398 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10402; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:55:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10121; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10096; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:55:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01018; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00893; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.1 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256624.00687A80 ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:01:11 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: sylvestre cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <85256624.006877D3.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:54:01 -0400 Subject: Re: DVD drive and CD-R / CD-RW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes it does.... sylvestre on 06/15/98 11:46:26 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: DVD drive and CD-R / CD-RW Does anyone know if the 770's DVD drive reads CD-R and CD-RW formats ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 15:06:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16528 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11142; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:03:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10958; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10945; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from egiles (port5-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.202]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09109 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <00ac01bd9890$0b8dd900$ca8b89d0@egiles> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: DVD drive and CD-R / CD-RW Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:01:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Does anyone know if the 770's DVD drive reads CD-R and CD-RW formats ? I have tried a few audio and data CD-R's on my 770 1AU and they were played/read fine. I haven't personally tried a CD-RW, but I have heard that it will read them also. Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 15:12:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA16695 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11783; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:09:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11535; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11500; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id MAA21658 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806151909.MAA21658@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770 dvd questions Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 1. Has anyone tried reading recordable CD's (CD-R) on a 770 DVD drive? 2. Anyone know if it will be able to read DVD-RAM disks? If not, do you think it's likely that a future version (anytime soon) will be able to? Thanks From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 17:42:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19451 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20450; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19929; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19860; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (207.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.207]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA29339; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35859427.392AF0C8@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:37:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 dvd questions References: <199806151909.MAA21658@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. Paul Rubin wrote: > 1. Has anyone tried reading recordable CD's (CD-R) on a 770 DVD drive? > i have an h/p 7110 CD-RW..i can read whatever it writes.. thus far.. :-) (i have NIOT done a CD-RW disc yet, however.. and there is a limitation that some discs need win95 to read them.. DOS can't see the files.. i have not gotten into this yet, since it is only an annoyance, thus far.. (6 months or so) > 2. Anyone know if it will be able to read DVD-RAM disks? If not, > do you think it's likely that a future version (anytime soon) > will be able to? > i think when the standard is agreed to, if it can not now, it will soon be able to read them..that IS the major reason for the DVD, no..?? we ALL don't want to watch movies.. uhh.. right..?? :-) > Thanks -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 18:24:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20181 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22484; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:21:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22373; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22361; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (207.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.207]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA14889; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35859E92.233185BD@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:22:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 -- size of cached memory References: <199806151853.OAA04320@atto.cs.rochester.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mr. Bukys.. bukys@cs.rochester.edu wrote: > I can't tell from reading the materials I have: > > I know many PC motherboards use a memory management chipset with a > hard-wired limit of 64MB cached memory. Anything you install beyond > that is not cached and as a result makes the machine run slowly while > accessing it as well. > its the chipset..the 770 P-II (770E series) can, i have been told, cache memory above the 64meg limit imposed with most intel chipsets.. there are several sites that talk about this.. > Does the TP770 have this 64MB cacheable memory problem? > the 770-1AU does, the 770E series, does not..according to the info i have.. > If so, are there any configuration things I can do to ameliorate any > cache performance problems (i.e. create an in-memory pseudo-disk for > swap) on my machine which I just upgraded to 96MB memory? > yes, i believe that you can..but note that more memory = less swap file.. thus more memory will increase performance in certain cases.. it ALL depends upon what you use your machine for.. if word processing and internet activities, then more memory will have little impact.. if you work with big graphics files, then more memory is good.. i will dig up the links to the sites that talk about the cache issue.. it becomes quite interesting and complex.. :-) > Liudvikas Bukys > University of Rochester > Computer Science Department > 734 Computer Studies Building > Rochester, NY 14627-0226 > > tel# 716-275-7747 > fax# 716-461-2018 > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 15 20:43:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22314 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28955; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:33:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28777; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28763; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA17687 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980615173024.00a6e328@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:30:28 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: Direct X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone ever had any trouble installing an app that used Direct X? I have a new 385XD TP straight out of the box and am having this problem. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 02:32:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26888 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10992; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:28:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10816; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from polaris.pacificnet.net (polaris.pacificnet.net [207.171.0.250]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10803; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (usr4-32.pacificnet.net [207.171.38.225]) by polaris.pacificnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA26737 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:27:41 -0700 (PDT) env-from (Bry.W@usa.net) Message-ID: <005801bd98ef$d2516fc0$e126abcf@default> Reply-To: "Bryan Winter" From: "Bryan Winter" To: Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:27:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No, just this last one. :-) -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle To: Bryan Winter Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:01 PM Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? > Did you copy that one to the ThinkPad list too, moron? > >At 10:31 PM 6/15/98 , Bryan Winter wrote: >>Oh, you must be so proud. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Randal Whittle >>To: Bryan Winter >>Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 3:54 PM >>Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? >> >> >>> You fool. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 03:02:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27286 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12050; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:58:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11649; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SNEEZY.USU.EDU (sneezy.usu.edu [129.123.1.87]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11637; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc.usu.edu (slppj.dorms.usu.edu) by cc.usu.edu (PMDF V5.1-9 #23984) with ESMTP id <01IYAAKV459GAW2WLX@cc.usu.edu> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:58:34 MST Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:58:50 -0600 From: Greg Alvandian Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <358617AA.7D0FDC7F@cc.usu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <005801bd98ef$d2516fc0$e126abcf@default> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well this list has really degenerated to an extremely childish level. I think I've learned about as much as I'm going to at this point. Looks like it's time to unsubsribe since I've grown tired of reading a lot of useless bickering and petty whining. If anyone else is interested in unsubsrcibing (I've seen a lot of "unsubscribe" posts here recently) the method is in the header but for those of you with brief headers the instructions are... to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I assume you merely put the word unsubscribe in the subject field and or body. It's just a shame that some of the culprits didn't beat me to dropping this list. Don't bother replying to this message as I'll be gone and mail filtering already sends most of the offending messages right to the trash. -Greg A. Thank you and have a pleasent day ;-) Bryan Winter wrote: > > No, just this last one. :-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle > To: Bryan Winter > Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 11:01 PM > Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? > > > Did you copy that one to the ThinkPad list too, moron? > > > >At 10:31 PM 6/15/98 , Bryan Winter wrote: > >>Oh, you must be so proud. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Randal Whittle > >>To: Bryan Winter > >>Date: Monday, June 15, 1998 3:54 PM > >>Subject: Re: TP 600 or 770 ? > >> > >> > >>> You fool. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 05:27:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA29196 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21866; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21610; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swissonline.ch (www-sol2.swissonline.ch [195.24.64.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21455; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 05:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swissonline.ch (sol-68-237.swissonline.ch [195.24.68.237]) by swissonline.ch (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA05012 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:22:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199806160922.LAA05012@swissonline.ch> To: Priority: Normal Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:24:12 GMT+1 From: Francois Hurter Reply-To: Francois Hurter Subject: [755CDV] How do I install SCSI support Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV I'm trying to install PMSANE but the install program complains and says tha= t SCSI support is not installed. I have a SCSI Adaptec 1460 installed and Card Director says that status is = ok. I have used selective install and rebooted but it seems that it is still no= t installed In my config.sys I have BASEDEV=3DOS2SCSI.DMD BASEDEV=3DAHA152X.ADD /V /A:0 /F:0,1,2,3,4,5,6 What am I missing ? TIA have a nice day Francois -------------------------------------- I used to have all the answers Then they changed all the questions I'm running OS/2 because I want choice 06/16/98 11:21:53 Francois Hurter Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 12:32:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05098 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14168; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:26:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13593; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13503; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA18375 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:27:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:27:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Want to dump your ol' busted ThinkPad? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm thinking of buying a new laptop and I'm wondering if anyone has recently decided between the 600 and 770, and what their reasons for doing what they did were. Not really. And even if I were, it would be no excuse to be rude. A single pointer to the archive would suffice. What I really want is a ThinkPad with a P120 (100MHz might do) with a puny hard drive and broken screen (read that as CHEAP) for an embedded project. Sound preferred, but not much else: tiny hard drive, little RAM, no CD, no modem, weak or dead battery OK. Any takers? Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 12:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05326 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15163; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:43:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14973; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14960; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA27228 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980616094032.00a35b9c@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:40:38 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: Direct X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Before I get bummed out about my new TP not able to use Direct X, I would like to find out if someone knows if it has to do with the fact that the LCD is passive [high performance addressing display] rather than active matrix. Thanks for any information. Byerly Woodward From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 13:02:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05535 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16344; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:59:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16076; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16062; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 12:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-17.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.17]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA29117 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:58:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bd9948$0de2bbe0$111f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Subscribe Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:58:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Subscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 13:26:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05992 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18663; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:22:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18500; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18488; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYAU20TS5S978JGC@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:22:36 MST Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:17:30 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 -- size of cached memory In-reply-to: "Message dated Mon, 15 Jun 1998 18:22:10 -0400" <35859E92.233185BD@icanect.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYAUA6EODG978JGC@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <199806151853.OAA04320@atto.cs.rochester.edu> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > its the chipset..the 770 P-II (770E series) can, i have been told, cache > memory above the 64meg limit imposed with most intel chipsets.. My understanding of all this is the cpu support chipset needs 11 tag bits to cache 512MB, so interpolating that down it looks like 8 bits for 64MB...? Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 13:27:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06011 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18817; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:23:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18555; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18543; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA04686 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980616094032.00a33574@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:20:39 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: Direct X Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Before I get bummed out about my new TP not able to use Direct X, I would like to find out if someone knows if it has to do with the fact that the LCD is passive [high performance addressing display] rather than active matrix. Thanks for any information. Byerly Woodward From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 13:46:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06366 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20269; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:43:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20112; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.med.upenn.edu (MAIL.MED.UPENN.EDU [165.123.11.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20097; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.med.upenn.edu (CLEVENGER.MED.UPENN.EDU [130.91.196.70]) by mail.med.upenn.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA09881 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3586AEF8.D147A0E4@mail.med.upenn.edu> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:44:24 -0400 From: Brad Kline X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 14:12:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06812 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22020; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:10:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21908; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box.hacom.nl (root@box.hacom.nl [193.67.233.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21878; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dyn114-amf.hacom.nl (dyn114-amf.hacom.nl [193.67.233.114]) by box.hacom.nl (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18229 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:06:50 +0200 Message-Id: <199806161806.UAA18229@box.hacom.nl> From: "Arjen Meijer" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:09:36 -0200 Reply-To: "Arjen Meijer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dos windows 3.x mwave config.sys Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking for a dos, windows 3.x config.sys with mwave entries. I need it for a dos session in os/2 starting from drive a: I do have mww installed but not in THAT dos session. So I only need a working config.sys with dos and mwave lines. Thanks for your responds Arjen@hacom.nl __________________________________________ Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 17:51:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10722 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05729; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:49:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05593; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05573; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04470; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:50:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806162150.QAA04470@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:49:29 -0700 To: "B.R. Woodward" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Direct X In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980616094032.00a35b9c@mail.lightside.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Before I get bummed out about my new TP not able to use Direct X, I would >like to find out if someone knows if it has to do with the fact that the >LCD is passive [high performance addressing display] rather than active >matrix. No, your software does not know or care what type of LCD you have. They all look the same from the program's point of view. (That said, I don't know what *is* causing the DirectX problem...) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 18:27:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11406 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07315; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:26:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07164; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from admin.inetport.com (inetport.com [204.96.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07152; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog (ip14.isdn6-boston.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.2.14]) by admin.inetport.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14774 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:26:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:26:53 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Asymetrix Message-ID: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone used the Asymetrix Video Capture? I am trying to find out exactly what happens when a video signal enters the ThinkPad 770-1AU. The Asymetrix can apparently compress it as it is going along. I can't see how to set this up though. And how much compression is in fact provided? The basic issue is that I have now discovered that DV cameras output data that requires 11 Gig of storage per hour. The issue is how much space you need on a ThinkPad hard drive to capture and compress a video input. Thanks for any tips! ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 18:41:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11595 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08243; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:39:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08093; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08071; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts10port11.port.net (ts10port11.port.net [207.38.252.139]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA02914 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: bizarre problem Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:39:46 -0400 Message-ID: <358cf24c.52348830@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last weekend I re-installed win95 (retail version) on my TP560, and then installed the drivers from IBM's website and the updates to win95 from microsoft's website. (I reinstalled because the system stopped recognizing a pcmcia slot - reinstalling fixed the problem.) However, as a result, whenever I switched from vga mode (as in a full screen dos box) to svga mode, the program "explorer.exe" would crash (GPF). It restarts soon after a crash, other than some tray icons disappear. After some experimentation, I discovered that this could almost be cured if I uninstalled the TP win95 utilities (using the dos or win3.1 versions did not cause a problem). I say almost because the system switches to vga then svga mode when resuming >from hibernation, so the system crashes when waking from hibernation if the screen was in svga mode before hibernating (but not if it was in vga mode). IBM tech support has nothing useful to say. Any ideas? I've tried re-installing almost everything, which hasn't helped. My next alternatives are trying OSR2 or win98. Or just living with it (if I remember to suspend or hibernate from a dos box, all is well). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 20:07:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13163 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11825; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:06:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11702; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from italy.it.earthlink.net (italy-c.it.earthlink.net [204.250.46.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11688; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailstub@localhost) by italy.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA29954; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806170005.RAA29954@italy.it.earthlink.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "Francois Hurter" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:05:22 +0000 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [755CDV] How do I install SCSI support Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't have PMSANE, but it may require: BASEDEV=OS2ASPI.DMD /SHARE /ALL I use copyshop/2 and it requires OS2ASPI to be loaded. On Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:24:12 GMT+1, Francois Hurter wrote: >Hi, >I'm running Warp 4 FP5 on my 755 CDV >I'm trying to install PMSANE but the install program complains and says that SCSI support is >not installed. >I have a SCSI Adaptec 1460 installed and Card Director says that status is ok. >I have used selective install and rebooted but it seems that it is still not installed >In my config.sys I have >BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD >BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD /V /A:0 /F:0,1,2,3,4,5,6 > >What am I missing ? >TIA >have a nice day >Francois > > > >-------------------------------------- >I used to have all the answers >Then they changed all the questions > >I'm running OS/2 because I want choice > >06/16/98 11:21:53 >Francois Hurter >Internet: abacab@swissonline.ch > --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 16 20:21:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13349 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12681; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:20:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12545; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12526; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.25]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980617001930.CEPI6771@760>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:19:30 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "richard" , Subject: Re: bizarre problem Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:15:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980617001930.CEPI6771@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Go with OSR2 and the latest video drivers. ---------- > From: richard > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: bizarre problem > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 1998 6:39 PM > > Last weekend I re-installed win95 (retail version) on my TP560, and then > installed the drivers from IBM's website and the updates to win95 from > microsoft's website. (I reinstalled because the system stopped recognizing a > pcmcia slot - reinstalling fixed the problem.) > > However, as a result, whenever I switched from vga mode (as in a full screen dos > box) to svga mode, the program "explorer.exe" would crash (GPF). It restarts > soon after a crash, other than some tray icons disappear. > > After some experimentation, I discovered that this could almost be cured if I > uninstalled the TP win95 utilities (using the dos or win3.1 versions did not > cause a problem). > > I say almost because the system switches to vga then svga mode when resuming > from hibernation, so the system crashes when waking from hibernation if the > screen was in svga mode before hibernating (but not if it was in vga mode). > > IBM tech support has nothing useful to say. > > Any ideas? I've tried re-installing almost everything, which hasn't helped. My > next alternatives are trying OSR2 or win98. Or just living with it (if I > remember to suspend or hibernate from a dos box, all is well). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 04:36:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA19965 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01715; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:30:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01402; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01387; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (230.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.230]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA19835; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358756A0.6DC816A5@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:39:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arjen Meijer CC: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Dos windows 3.x mwave config.sys References: <199806161806.UAA18229@box.hacom.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Which machine..? Arjen Meijer wrote: > I am looking for a dos, windows 3.x config.sys with mwave entries. > > I need it for a dos session in os/2 starting from drive a: I do have > mww installed but not in THAT dos session. So I only need a > working config.sys with dos and mwave lines. > > Thanks for your responds > > Arjen@hacom.nl > > __________________________________________ > Wie als Meijer geboren is, wordt nooit een kwartje. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 07:24:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA21616 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11154; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:22:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10982; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10968; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from airmail.net from [170.49.217.71] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.237) with esmtp for sender: id ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 02:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35876D38.671B0979@airmail.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:16:29 -0500 From: "John E. Black II" Reply-To: jblack1@airmail.net Organization: J.B. Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 760CD Memory limitations Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E5AB9CFD9AEF87AE851A1E04" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --------------E5AB9CFD9AEF87AE851A1E04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been looking into upgrading my 760CD 9546 U11 to give it some more horsepower in the memory department. When I started looking I noticed that some documentation says that this model has a limit of 40MB and others say that the max is 64MB. So my question is, is anyone with a similar machine using more than the 40MB of memory that some documentation states is the maximum?????? THX in advance. JEB --------------E5AB9CFD9AEF87AE851A1E04 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been looking into upgrading my 760CD 9546 U11 to give it some more horsepower in the memory department.  When I started looking I noticed that some documentation says that this model has a limit of 40MB and others say that the max is 64MB.

So my question is, is anyone with a similar machine using more than the 40MB of memory that some documentation states is the maximum??????

THX in advance.
JEB --------------E5AB9CFD9AEF87AE851A1E04-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 12:32:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26014 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27539; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:28:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27248; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27236; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts10port72.port.net (ts10port72.port.net [207.38.252.200]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21469 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:27:57 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Disk drives Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:27:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3587eb1b.17647535@mail.interport.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm contemplating upgrading the disk drive in my TP560. Any idea what the difference is between drives in the IBM Travelstar series and IBM drives labeled TP560 upgrades? A 4 gb upgrade drive (#02k0501, 13ms, 4000 rpm, 2.5") costs about $790, while a 4gb Travelstar (#09j1195, same specs) is about $400. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 13:03:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26476 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00123; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:02:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29929; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29908; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA15386; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:01:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:01:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806171701.KAA15386@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 2x SCSI cdroms FS $20 (fwd) Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables In-Reply-To: <6m85u3$bps@drn.newsguy.com> Organization: Netcom Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a post from a forsale newsgroup; I don't have any idea who the seller is, but it's for a 1" high SCSI cd-rom. This CD is the only one I know of that fits in the Dock 1 without having to hack up the dock. Someone was asking recently where to get such a drive, so I thought I'd forward this. I have no connection with the seller, so contact him directly with any questions. FYI. ------- start of forwarded message ------- Path: ix.netcom.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn From: craigb@cboss.com Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables Subject: 2x SCSI cdroms FS $20 Date: 17 Jun 1998 03:31:31 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://www.newsguy.com] Lines: 6 Message-ID: <6m85u3$bps@drn.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-115.newsdawg.com Xref: ix.netcom.com misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables:86812 Toshiba model xm4101-b FIts toshiba deskstation docking stations or can be used with any scsi controller..adaptec,future domain,etc ------------------ Spam free Usenet news http://www.newsguy.com ------- end of forwarded message ------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 13:17:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26670 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00976; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:15:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00852; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00830; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806171715.NAA00830@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 26271 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 1998 17:15:04 -0000 Received: from dial-88-4.ots.utexas.edu (128.83.219.132) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 17:15:04 -0000 From: "Volker Braun" To: "thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 12:17:08 -0500 Reply-To: "Volker Braun" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760C(D) Memory limitations Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! I also am interested in the memory limit on my 760C, but i think the maximum is either 40 or 72 MB. All IBM Information i saw states 40 MB (is that 2 x 16 + 8 or 1 x 32 + 8 ?) as limit, but IBM does not offer 32 MB memory modules Afaik. Viking Components for example does offer 32 MB modules and they state on their web page that the maximum is 72 MB with two modules (2 x 32 + 8 built-in). So maybe there is a possibility to upgrade to 72 MB. Does anyone know that for sure? I ordered a 32 meg module this mornig to upgrade to 40 MB. Right now i have a single 16 MB expansion (to a total of 24). Is there a chance that both work together (giving 56 MB?) cu/2 PS: If it doesn't work i'll have an excess 16 MB module (for 760C, not 760E ect).. email if you're interested. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 13:49:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27143 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02934; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:47:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02757; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02741; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts10port72.port.net (ts10port72.port.net [207.38.252.200]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA10431; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:47:27 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Christoph Eyrich Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disk drives Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:47:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3588ffb8.22925720@mail.interport.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:34:46 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich wrote: >On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, richard wrote: > >> I'm contemplating upgrading the disk drive in my TP560. >> >> Any idea what the difference is between drives in the IBM Travelstar series and >> IBM drives labeled TP560 upgrades? >> >> A 4 gb upgrade drive (#02k0501, 13ms, 4000 rpm, 2.5") costs about $790, while a >> 4gb Travelstar (#09j1195, same specs) is about $400. > >I suppose that the upgrade comes with full IBM warranty whereas the >`cheap' one is an OEM version with a 6 or 12 months warranty. If the >HD fails you got to return it to the `point of sale', not to IBM. At >least, that's the difference here in Germany. According to IBM's web pages: (i) the upgrade drive warranty: "one year customer carry-in exchange" and (ii) the cheap drive has a two year warranty. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 14:22:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27704 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05009; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04915; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04903; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806171820.OAA04903@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 5991 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 1998 18:20:01 -0000 Received: from dial-88-4.ots.utexas.edu (128.83.219.132) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 17 Jun 1998 18:20:01 -0000 From: "Volker Braun" To: "Thinkpad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 13:22:01 -0500 Reply-To: "Volker Braun" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760C(D) Memory limitations Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! Sorry that i asked without checking the archive (i thought the original poster did that already)- all questions are answered there. Thats what i found on 760C(D) memory: Memory limit is 64 MB, the internal 8 MB are unused if two 32 MB modules are present. However there is a problem with early IBM DIMM carriers - if 2 x 32 does not work (this is the only combination where the bug appears) contact IBM to replace the carrier. One 32MB and one 16 MB appear to work together. cu/2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 14:23:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27726 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05285; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05038; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04986; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id TAA001.33; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:21:17 +0100 Message-Id: <199806171821.TAA001.33@bradnet> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 19:21:16 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Sound on 760C under OS/2 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu How do I get sound out of mt 760C under OS/2 Warp 4? Is it just a matter of selecting the Business Audio (AD1848) or should that be the IBM Thinkpad Audio (Crystal Semi) device using selective install? I have been using the built in MWAVE modem for some time and thought I would need some sort of MWAVE-specific sound driver... -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 14:56:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28215 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07275; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:53:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07132; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07119; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-130.usc.edu [128.125.223.130]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA03922; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806171852.LAA03922@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:52:03 -0700 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Disk drives Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3587eb1b.17647535@mail.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:27 AM 6/17/98 , richard wrote: >I'm contemplating upgrading the disk drive in my TP560. > >Any idea what the difference is between drives in the IBM Travelstar series and >IBM drives labeled TP560 upgrades? > >A 4 gb upgrade drive (#02k0501, 13ms, 4000 rpm, 2.5") costs about $790, while a >4gb Travelstar (#09j1195, same specs) is about $400. No question--given these options, I'd get the Travelstar for $400. My guess is that its actually the same drive anyway (the Travelstar really has some nice specs too--seems to be a fabulous drive). The "Upgrade drive" is just charging you a typical IBM "upgrade price". ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 16:32:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29641 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12993; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:30:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12813; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12730; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com by orpheus.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0ymOqG-0001XpC; Wed, 17 Jun 98 13:30 PDT Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0ymOpg-000GOqC; Wed, 17 Jun 98 13:29 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25041; Wed, 17 Jun 98 13:29:58 PDT Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA26231; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:38:21 -0700 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199806172038.NAA26231@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: 760C(D) Memory limitations In-Reply-To: <199806171820.OAA04903@CS.UTK.EDU> from Volker Braun at "Jun 17, 98 01:22:01 pm" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 760CD, originally with 24Mb of memory. Just this week I added a 32Mb DIMM (Apricorn), for a total of 56MB. Everything works quite well, and my NT 3.5.1 now hums along nicely, with almost no swapping at all. Serenella Ciongoli > Thats what i found on 760C(D) memory: > > Memory limit is 64 MB, the internal 8 MB are unused if two 32 MB modules > are present. > > However there is a problem with early IBM DIMM carriers - if 2 x 32 does > not work (this is the only combination where the bug appears) contact IBM > to replace the carrier. > > One 32MB and one 16 MB appear to work together. > > cu/2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 17:27:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA00783 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16095; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:26:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15941; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15928; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.192]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980617212531.UEKO5105@760>; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:25:31 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Cc: <760ED.memory.question@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: Disk drives Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:21:44 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980617212531.UEKO5105@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ---------- > From: richard > To: Christoph Eyrich > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Disk drives > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:47 PM > > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:34:46 +0200 (MEST), Christoph Eyrich > wrote: > > >On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, richard wrote: > > I thought that the memory was only upgradeable to 80 MB with the standard DIMM carrier and 104MB with the Kingsotn DIMM carrier. I saw a dealer at a show on Sat selling 64MB DIMMS for the 760ED. Will this work in the standard DIMM carrier? What's the deal on this? > >> I'm contemplating upgrading the disk drive in my From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 20:09:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03291 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23042; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:07:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22917; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22904; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:07:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CQTOa05150 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:07:02 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <633746d4.35885a27@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:07:02 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add IrDa to the Dell? I know I can rig up a cable setup but it seems inelegant. But I'll go this way if the infrared winds up being prohibitively expensive. Thanks in advance for any replies. Kevin Arnott (TPincoming@aol.com) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 20:54:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03888 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25815; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25703; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25691; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19299; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:53:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (rasgvnt0105.uhc.com [168.183.199.69]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA19295; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:53:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980617204522.00aa39b0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:45:22 -0400 To: TPincoming@aol.com, ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? In-Reply-To: <633746d4.35885a27@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:07 PM 6/17/98 EDT, TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively >new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add >IrDa to the Dell? > http://www.extendedsystems.com/products/infrared/jeteyepc.html Mobile Planet has it for $110; CDW is $94. Hope this helps! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 21:55:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04696 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28227; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:54:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28130; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28117; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-153-243.on.ca.ibm.net [129.37.153.243]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA44054; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:52:57 GMT Message-ID: <358872F8.E8691606@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:52:56 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Sound on 760C under OS/2 References: <199806171821.TAA001.33@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No. You deselect ALL the sound options during install, and when everything is properly installed, install the sound from the diskettes (downloadable >from IBM) Now you HAVE to uninstall the whole sound system to continnue. See the instructions at: http://www.warpedthinkpad.simplenet.com/warp.htm John Poltorak wrote: > How do I get sound out of mt 760C under OS/2 Warp 4? > > Is it just a matter of selecting the Business Audio (AD1848) or should > that be the IBM Thinkpad Audio (Crystal Semi) device using selective > install? > > I have been using the built in MWAVE modem for some time and thought I > would need some sort of MWAVE-specific sound driver... > > -- > John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 21:59:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04729 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28552; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:58:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28457; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28445; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA12721 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:59:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806180159.UAA12721@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:58:32 -0700 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980617204522.00aa39b0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <633746d4.35885a27@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >At 08:07 PM 6/17/98 EDT, TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >>I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively >>new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add >>IrDa to the Dell? At 05:45 PM 6/17/98 , Jane Loyless wrote: >http://www.extendedsystems.com/products/infrared/jeteyepc.html > >Mobile Planet has it for $110; CDW is $94. Only problem is that is 115Kb IrDA, not 4Mb IrDA like the ThinkPad has. They will work together, but only at a fraction of the ThinkPad's capability. If 115Kb is all you need, then it would be fine, but an Ethernet or Fast Ethernet setup would be a lot peppier. You would really notice the difference every time you use it. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 22:04:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04793 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29024; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:03:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28919; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28907; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA13160 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:04:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806180204.VAA13160@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:03:31 -0700 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980617204522.00aa39b0@pop.mindspring.com> References: <633746d4.35885a27@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively >>new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add >>IrDa to the Dell? p.s. Extended Systems also has a 4Mb IrDA solution: http://www.extendedsystems.com/products/infrared/jeteyenet.html This connects via 10BaseT Ethernet, so you would need an Ethernet card for your PC if you don't already have one. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 22:13:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04919 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29605; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:12:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29499; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29480; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA17088; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:12:04 -1000 Message-ID: <003101bd9a5e$42ebe0c0$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:10:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane Loyless wrote: > >>http://www.extendedsystems.com/products/infrared/jeteyepc.html >> >>Mobile Planet has it for $110; CDW is $94. Michael Geary replied: > >Only problem is that is 115Kb IrDA, not 4Mb IrDA like the ThinkPad has. I agree 100%. I used to use IR at the office (to hook my thinkpad(s) up to a Micron laptop acting as server), and being able to plunk the thinkpad down on the desk, unhibernate, and suddenly be hooked up - look ma, no wires! - is a great feeling. However, I finally bit the bullet and forked over the money for a second pcmcia ethernet card, and frankly the fast connection feels a lot better than no wires! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 22:27:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05169 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00577; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:25:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00365; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00342; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA17217; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:25:37 -1000 Message-ID: <004601bd9a60$27389740$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:23:59 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mike added: >p.s. Extended Systems also has a 4Mb IrDA solution: About $250! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 17 22:48:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA05536 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01927; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:47:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01798; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01786; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA16881 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:47:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806180247.VAA16881@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:46:55 -0700 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? In-Reply-To: <004601bd9a60$27389740$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>p.s. Extended Systems also has a 4Mb IrDA solution: > >About $250! Yup! Assuming your desktop isn't already networked, that $250 would buy you a complete Fast Ethernet setup: PCI card for the desktop, CardBus card for the ThinkPad, and a crossover cable. 25x the speed (in theory anyway) at the same price, just not wireless. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 00:33:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07224 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07246; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:30:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06214; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from CS.Princeton.EDU (root@CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.136.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06167; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from toreltp (sporty.CS.Princeton.EDU [128.112.152.69]) by CS.Princeton.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA24121; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:29:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tore Larsen" To: , Subject: RE: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:29:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bd9a71$b90c1280$5a5c7080@toreltp.cs.princeton.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <633746d4.35885a27@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Kevin, IR buys you a cheap cordless connection between different boxes in the same room. On ThinkPads with Mwave there may or may not be conflicts with the concurrent use of IR, your Mwave modem, or sound. Check before buying. If you want more speed, you may install Ether or Fast Ether. You may bring the cabling out of the room where your Dell is sitting so that you have connectivity outside of this room. You gain speed, but will find yourself more or less grounded. If mobility within your home appeals to you, I suggest you also consider a radio based home area network (http://www.netwave-wireless.com/products/index.htm ). I have used one for more than a year and it is simply unbelievably convenient. You get less bandwidth than cable, but you are not grounded and can enjoy the connection wherever you move. Depending on your budget, you will find this solution anywhere from outrageously expensive to reasonable. Cheap it is not. Regards, __ Tore -----Original Message----- From: TPincoming@aol.com [mailto:TPincoming@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 June, 1998 20:07 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add IrDa to the Dell? I know I can rig up a cable setup but it seems inelegant. But I'll go this way if the infrared winds up being prohibitively expensive. Thanks in advance for any replies. Kevin Arnott (TPincoming@aol.com) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 00:33:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07238 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07300; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:32:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07139; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06708; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYCV0A8XQ8976VCP@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:31:22 MST Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:13:28 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Dos windows 3.x mwave config.sys In-reply-to: "Message dated Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:09:36 -0200" <199806161806.UAA18229@box.hacom.nl> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYCVWP2URK976VCP@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I am looking for a dos, windows 3.x config.sys with mwave entries. A few versions ago the Mwave stuff changed quite a bit - there used to be a separate dir named MWD for dos and MWW for windows, now it's all in MWW. Anyway which version you have may affect how it starts, for instance I just looked at my own config.sys and it says to look at a readme file in the MWD dir which I no longer have. My current dos commands are MWAVE OFF, MWAVE ON, MWAVE START (I have to use this most times to get it going) and FASTCFG, using Mwave V2.22 under dos and win3.11. My config.sys is appended - I have just about no idea what all this stuff does, but it does work on my 755CE. Billy Y.. REM Please refer to the file CONFIG.DOC for a brief explanation of each REM line in the CONFIG.SYS file that was preloaded on your machine. DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS REM Please read README.TXT in C:\MWD subdirectory before changing REM the DOS= statement. DOS=HIGH,UMB FILES=30 BUFFERS=17 STACKS=9,256 LASTDRIVE=G DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS I=B000-B7FF X=C800-CFFF DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /D DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C800-CFFF /SH=1 DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE REM UN'REM' the following line for PCMCIA ATA card support REM DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DISKDRV.SYS REM UN'REM' the following line for a specific DOS version support REM ===== PC DOS 7.0 - Add ===== DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE REM setver.exe should be placed before MWDP0400.EXE DEVICE=C:\MWW\MANAGER\MWDP0400.EXE DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 01:26:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07982 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08895; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:24:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08810; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp01.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08797; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-237.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-237.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.237]) by smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id OAA23775; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:24:43 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: [TP701C] White-screen problem Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:07:44 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 28 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been lurking on this list for a couple months of now. I own two Japanese-spec 486DX75 701C ThinkPads (2630-7TW) running English OS/2 Warp 4, Japanese Warp 3, and PC-DOS J7.0/V, and one ThinkPad 535E running Japanese Windows 95 OSR2. One of the 701Cs -- the one whose three-year warranty just expired about a month ago :-/ -- has a problem with the screen suddenly going completely white. I can usually correct the problem by closing the lid to suspend the machine, though sometimes it takes several tries. Not fun! I gather from some offhand comments that others have made at this list that the problem may be due to a loose screen connector. Is this easily correctable? I've got a set of Torx drivers, and I'm not especially afraid to use them :-). I've checked Tim Sipples's TP701C page and Ty Shrake's TPWarper page (which is where I learned about this mailing list), but haven't seen anything about this problem. Is the procedure for fixing this described in the list archives (ARE there archives??) or on the net somewhere? Any advice or pointers to other sources of information will be gratefully appreciated. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 02:08:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08587 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10076; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:07:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09978; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09962; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts05.loop.net (p11.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.176]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA05301; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:06:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen A. Carter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 23:07:00 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:07:44 +0900, Stephen A. Carter wrote: >I've been lurking on this list for a couple months of now. I own two >Japanese-spec 486DX75 701C ThinkPads (2630-7TW) running English OS/2 >Warp 4, Japanese Warp 3, and PC-DOS J7.0/V, and one ThinkPad 535E >running Japanese Windows 95 OSR2. > >One of the 701Cs -- the one whose three-year warranty just expired >about a month ago :-/ -- has a problem with the screen suddenly going >completely white. I can usually correct the problem by closing the >lid to suspend the machine, though sometimes it takes several tries. >Not fun! > >I gather from some offhand comments that others have made at this list >that the problem may be due to a loose screen connector. Is this >easily correctable? I've got a set of Torx drivers, and I'm not >especially afraid to use them :-). I've checked Tim Sipples's TP701C >page and Ty Shrake's TPWarper page (which is where I learned about >this mailing list), but haven't seen anything about this problem. Is >the procedure for fixing this described in the list archives (ARE >there archives??) or on the net somewhere? > Does the whole screen turn white, where you cannot see any other text? It could be a cable problem; I believe the cable is on the left middle of the display, when looking at it (it that makes sense). You could also try the flex cable in the machine, but that's not recommended (as I've found this to be the HARDEST notebook to disassemble). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 02:29:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08934 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10979; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:27:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10796; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10775; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p11.hwts05.loop.net (p11.hwts05.loop.net [207.211.61.176]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA06048; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 23:26:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806180626.XAA06048@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "richard" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 23:26:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Disk drives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:52:03 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 09:27 AM 6/17/98 , richard wrote: >>I'm contemplating upgrading the disk drive in my TP560. >> >>Any idea what the difference is between drives in the IBM Travelstar >series and >>IBM drives labeled TP560 upgrades? >> >>A 4 gb upgrade drive (#02k0501, 13ms, 4000 rpm, 2.5") costs about $790, >while a >>4gb Travelstar (#09j1195, same specs) is about $400. > > No question--given these options, I'd get the Travelstar for $400. > > My guess is that its actually the same drive anyway (the Travelstar really >has some nice specs too--seems to be a fabulous drive). The "Upgrade >drive" is just charging you a typical IBM "upgrade price". Plus, the 560 upgrade drive has the caddy, the other is probably just the bare drive... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 02:32:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA08967 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11436; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:30:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11046; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp01.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11033; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-237.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-237.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.237]) by smtp01.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id PAA25740; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:30:09 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Paul Khoury" , "Stephen A. Carter"Bcc:@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:25:55 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com> Lines: 27 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In article <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com>, Paul Khoury wrote: >Does the whole screen turn white, where you cannot see any other text? Thanks for the response. At seemingly random times, the brightness rises over the space of one or two seconds until the screen is completely white -- nothing is visible except whiteness. It's as if the brightness were suddenly cranked to max. >It could be a cable >problem; I believe the cable is on the left middle of the display, when looking at it (it that makes sense). Yes, that makes sense. So should I start with the lid section, by removing the four Torx screws on the frame around the screen? >You could also try the flex cable in the machine, but that's not recommended (as I've >found this to be the HARDEST notebook to disassemble). Oh boy. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 03:11:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09520 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14808; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14463; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14449; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (132.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.132]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA29411; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3588BCDF.EED52D74@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:08:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen A. Carter" CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , Paul Khoury , CarterBcc:@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem References: <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Gentlemen.. to remove the top cable, the keyboard needs to be removed.. for this job you'll need a T-1 torx driver.. this is some small i can barely see the tip.. the 4 screws are most difficult to replace.. sounds like the machine needs more than a top cable, which is not available except as an assembly.. Stephen A. Carter wrote: > In article <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com>, > Paul Khoury wrote: > >Does the whole screen turn white, where you cannot see any other text? > > Thanks for the response. > > At seemingly random times, the brightness rises over the space of one > or two seconds until the screen is completely white -- nothing is > visible except whiteness. It's as if the brightness were suddenly > cranked to max. > > >It could be a cable > >problem; I believe the cable is on the left middle of the display, when looking at it (it that makes sense). > > Yes, that makes sense. So should I start with the lid section, by > removing the four Torx screws on the frame around the screen? > > >You could also try the flex cable in the machine, but that's not recommended (as I've > >found this to be the HARDEST notebook to disassemble). > > Oh boy. > > -- > Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. > Nagoya, Japan > PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 03:17:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09560 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15316; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:13:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14905; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14893; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (132.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.132]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA00149; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3588BE43.C43619D3@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:14:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: Randal Whittle , richard , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Disk drives References: <199806180626.XAA06048@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > On Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:52:03 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >At 09:27 AM 6/17/98 , richard wrote: > **snip** > > No question--given these options, I'd get the Travelstar for $400. > > > > My guess is that its actually the same drive anyway (the Travelstar really > >has some nice specs too--seems to be a fabulous drive). The "Upgrade > >drive" is just charging you a typical IBM "upgrade price". > > Plus, the 560 upgrade drive has the caddy, the other is probably just the bare drive... > no caddy with the 560..only a small metal bracket which serves to secure the 560 HDD under the palm rest.. > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 03:19:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09638 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15620; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:15:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15154; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15140; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA18569; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:15:24 -1000 Message-ID: <001101bd9a89$062188e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Randal Whittle" , "richard" Cc: Subject: Re: Disk drives Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:16:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Plus, the 560 upgrade drive has the caddy, the other is probably just the bare drive... Does the 560 even *have* a caddy? Unlike almost all other thinkpads, the drive is not really a supposed to be user-replaceable in the 560... David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 04:03:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA10407 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 04:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17450; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:58:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17258; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17240; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-237.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-237.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.237]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id QAA01841; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:56:36 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: Bill Morrow , "Stephen A. Carter" Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:55:16 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199806180606.XAA05301@ritchie.loop.com> <3588BCDF.EED52D74@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <3588BCDF.EED52D74@icanect.net> Lines: 24 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In article <3588BCDF.EED52D74@icanect.net>, Bill Morrow wrote: >to remove the top cable, the keyboard needs to be removed.. Stupid question -- Is this top cable different from the flex cable that Paul Khoury mentioned? >for this job you'll need a T-1 torx driver.. >this is some small i can barely see the tip.. >the 4 screws are most difficult to replace.. Okay, I've got the driver...you're talking about those four screws along the front edge of the machine at the base of the keyboard, yes? >sounds like the machine needs more than a top cable Like maybe a bullet through the CPU? Seriously, what does it sound like it needs? -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 13:15:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18206 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19042; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:10:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18800; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18775; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp09.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:10:09 PST From: "peter machule" To: Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:44:14 -0000 Message-ID: <01bd9a9d$a79a6b60$55645a8e@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Open up the Dell. Dell loves using Intel OEM motherboards . Many have a pin header for an IRDA Transceiver. The transceiver itself should be less than $25. Good luck .. ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: TPincoming@aol.com To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 1:08 AM Subject: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? >I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively >new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add >IrDa to the Dell? > >I know I can rig up a cable setup but it seems inelegant. But I'll go this >way if the infrared winds up being prohibitively expensive. > >Thanks in advance for any replies. > >Kevin Arnott >(TPincoming@aol.com) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 14:35:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19810 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23261; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23034; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22963; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id TAA001.43; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:29:43 +0100 Message-Id: <199806181829.TAA001.43@bradnet> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 19:29:42 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Mwave installation problems To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In an attempt to get sound out of my 760C under OS/2 Warp 4 I have spent all day making very little progress... :-(. I have copies of the notes on the Warped ThinkPad web site and lots of diskette image files for installing Mwave and TP utilities. I removed all references to MWAVEOS2 and MMOS2 from config.sys, did a selective uninstall of Multimedia support as well as deleting the two directories. After reinstalling MMOS2, I tried running SETUP from the first diskette of the Mwave for OS/2 set and get an error msg saying that "Setup is unable to copy the installation support file a:\#ins0762.lib to a temporary location. Error 420." My suspicion is that I am using a 4GB disk with 2.2GB free on the C: drive and this is being reported incorrectly. Can anyone confirm that this could be happening? Also, there is a mention of OS2MAIN.INF in readme.txt but I can't find it anywhere. Any ideas? -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 17:19:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22669 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02258; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01894; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01818; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02538; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen A. Carter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Bill Morrow" , "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 07:40:50 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:55:16 +0900, Stephen A. Carter wrote: >In article <3588BCDF.EED52D74@icanect.net>, Bill Morrow wrote: >>to remove the top cable, the keyboard needs to be removed.. > >Stupid question -- Is this top cable different from the flex cable >that Paul Khoury mentioned? > Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. There's the flex cable, and the 2 wires that fit into the backlight's inverter. >>for this job you'll need a T-1 torx driver.. >>this is some small i can barely see the tip.. >>the 4 screws are most difficult to replace.. > >Okay, I've got the driver...you're talking about those four screws along >the front edge of the machine at the base of the keyboard, yes? > Those are part of the process of disassembling the bottom part of the machine. The 4 screws along the display bezel are strictly for going into the display. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 17:20:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22677 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02265; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01876; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01821; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02532; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:15:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806182115.OAA02532@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "richard" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 07:38:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Disk drives Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >no caddy with the 560..only a small metal bracket which serves to secure the 560 HDD under >the palm rest.. > Okay, simple answer - get the $400 drive. Reuse the old mounting bracket. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 17:20:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22683 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:20:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02309; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01855; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01815; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p14.hwts14.loop.net (p14.hwts14.loop.net [207.211.62.209]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA02526; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806182115.OAA02526@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Stephen A. Carter" Cc: "CarterBcc:@cs.utk.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 07:37:30 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:08:15 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Gentlemen.. >to remove the top cable, the keyboard needs to be removed.. >for this job you'll need a T-1 torx driver.. >this is some small i can barely see the tip.. >the 4 screws are most difficult to replace.. > >sounds like the machine needs more than a top cable, which is not available except as an assembly.. > Can you elaborate on this Bill? The cable itself is a seperate part, but you're starting to confuse me. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 17:36:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23051 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03678; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:34:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03490; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03471; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 17:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p07.hwts11.loop.net (p07.hwts11.loop.net [207.211.62.112]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA03416; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 14:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806182134.OAA03416@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Stephen A. Carter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:34:20 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: High X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >At seemingly random times, the brightness rises over the space of one >or two seconds until the screen is completely white -- nothing is >visible except whiteness. It's as if the brightness were suddenly >cranked to max. > Hmm... Maybe something wrong with the inverter board? I bet it's just a cable problem once again... >>It could be a cable >>problem; I believe the cable is on the left middle of the display, when looking at it (it that makes sense). > >Yes, that makes sense. So should I start with the lid section, by >removing the four Torx screws on the frame around the screen? > Yup. >>You could also try the flex cable in the machine, but that's not recommended (as I've >>found this to be the HARDEST notebook to disassemble). > >Oh boy. Oh, and good luck. I'd rather use Windows 95 for a few hours than open up my 701 again. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 18:31:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24128 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06124; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:28:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05977; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05965; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-094.usc.edu [128.125.223.94]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA13523; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806182228.PAA13523@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:26:46 -0700 To: "peter machule" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Cc: In-Reply-To: <01bd9a9d$a79a6b60$55645a8e@peter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:44 AM 6/18/98 , peter machule wrote: >Open up the Dell. >Dell loves using Intel OEM motherboards . >Many have a pin header for an IRDA Transceiver. >The transceiver itself should be less than $25. Sounds like great advice. Where do you get such an IRDA Transceiver to hook up to it? ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 18:33:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA24152 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06503; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06357; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06345; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 170.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.114.170]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980618223120.JOCQ24888@170.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:20 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: misc.forsale.computers.pc-specific.portables Subject: WTB: IBM Thinkpad 500 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:24 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-ID: <359694a4.20087727@netnews.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As the resident computer guru of my circle, I've been asked to locate this item for a friend. The 500 should have all accessories, 12MB RAM, and a working battery (though I don't expect one that lasts 3 hours :-). It should be in good condition with no hinge cracks or repairs to same, or any other type of damage/defect. The original drive sizes are fine, as it will likely be running just Windows 95A, MS Works, and an email application. The price range is around ~$200 plus shipping. Thanks in advance for any leads or offers. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 20:42:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26174 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11086; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:39:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10927; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10914; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-206.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-206.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.206]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id JAA20638; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:39:02 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Paul Khoury" , "\"Stephen A. Carter\" Subject":scarter@hticn.com Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:41:57 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> Lines: 34 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In article <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com>, Paul Khoury wrote: >The 4 screws along the display bezel are strictly for going into >the display. Thanks to all who have responded so far. Here's where I'm at: I removed the four screws at the corners of the bezel frame, unscrewed the two screws for each of the lid hinges, then popped the three dovetail clips along the bottom of the screen and carefully pried up the bezel frame. The lid is open and laid flat. Passing through a small black collar under the right hand hinge tab between the main body and the lid (the one with two small vertical notches and "701C" in white on it) is is a bundle of four wires: a thick white one, a thick orange one, a thin red one, and a thin black one. The orange and white wires go up somewhere under the back of the screen. The red and black ones seem to be soldered to a little metal cylinder maybe 4 mm in diameter that's embedded in a square of black sponge under the hinge tab. Here's the thing: the black wire looks like it's broken free from the metal cylinder. Does anyone know what these red and black wires and this cylinder are for? Could this broken wire be the cause of my white-screen problem? -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 22:11:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27583 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14018; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:08:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13874; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13861; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-177.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-177.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.177]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id LAA23929; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:08:23 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) Subject: [TP701C] White-screen problem Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:52:48 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: Lines: 24 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [Subject line restored] In article , I wrote: >Does anyone know what these red and black wires and this cylinder are >for? Thanks to the private correspondent who informed me I've got a busted mike. :-) I never use it. For all I know it's been broken since I bought the machine. Getting back to the white-screen problem, the orange and white wires seem to be undamaged and securely connected to the back of the LCD panel. So does the brown ribbon connector. I guess the next step is either to peek under the keyboard, or bite the bullet and take it to IBM Japan. Oh well. Thanks for all the advice, guys. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 22:33:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27933 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15144; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15030; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (sherman.ncag.edu [208.198.8.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15010; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from query [208.198.8.41] by sherman.ncag.edu (SMTPD32-4.04) id AE0F2800D8; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:33:51 PDT From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: Subject: [TP600] V.90 available? Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:31:55 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bd9b2a$6d1d2440$2908c6d0@query.ncag.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Looked on the IBM site, couldn't find mention of V.90 available for the internal modem in the TP600. Anyone have further information? Thanks! Waldemar Kowalski - new on this site, with TP600 - PII/233, 96meg RAM, otherwise stock. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 22:37:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA27977 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15581; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15459; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15446; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-069-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.149]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA22027; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:36:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3589CE9C.B11A1A62@cia-g.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:36:13 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Reply-To: raybay@broadcast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jblack1@airmail.net CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760CD Memory limitations References: <35876D38.671B0979@airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu When the machine first came out, there was only a 32 Mb memory chip for it which meant you could boost it to 40 Mb with the 8 Mb that came with it... Later the other memory chips were available, and it went to 64. I don't know if IBM had a slight equipment upgrade, or just a specifications book upgrade... as I no longer have the computer. But mine did go to 64 Mb... no more though. Ray Bay John E. Black II wrote: > I have been looking into upgrading my 760CD 9546 U11 to give it some > more horsepower in the memory department. When I started looking I > noticed that some documentation says that this model has a limit of > 40MB and others say that the max is 64MB. > > So my question is, is anyone with a similar machine using more than > the 40MB of memory that some documentation states is the maximum?????? > > THX in advance. > JEB From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 18 23:19:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA28695 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17532; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:17:22 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17321; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA00547; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02132; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:34:49 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:34:46 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Disk drives In-Reply-To: <3587eb1b.17647535@mail.interport.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, richard wrote: > I'm contemplating upgrading the disk drive in my TP560. > > Any idea what the difference is between drives in the IBM Travelstar series and > IBM drives labeled TP560 upgrades? > > A 4 gb upgrade drive (#02k0501, 13ms, 4000 rpm, 2.5") costs about $790, while a > 4gb Travelstar (#09j1195, same specs) is about $400. I suppose that the upgrade comes with full IBM warranty whereas the `cheap' one is an OEM version with a 6 or 12 months warranty. If the HD fails you got to return it to the `point of sale', not to IBM. At least, that's the difference here in Germany. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 01:34:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00864 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22150; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:30:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21937; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21925; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806190530.BAA21925@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 5114 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 1998 05:30:02 -0000 Received: from dial-16-8.ots.utexas.edu (HELO dial-124-10.ots.utexas.edu) (128.83.128.24) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 05:30:02 -0000 From: "Volker Braun" To: "Thinkpad Mailinglist" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 00:32:06 -0500 Reply-To: "Volker Braun" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Mwave installation problems Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! >My suspicion is that I am using a 4GB disk with 2.2GB free on the C: >drive and this is being reported incorrectly. Can anyone confirm that >this could be happening? Go to http://hobbes.mnsu.edu and get In directory /pub/os2/util/diskutil: spacehog.zip Hide disk space above 2Gb to avoid neg. freespace 1998/04/16 Compressed archive, 27.32Kb Even if that is not the cause for the problem (check "tmp"-environment variable too) it may be a good idea if you have that much disk space free. BTW Sound runs fine here with W4 on my 760C on a 720 MB HDD (i can trade if your is too big :-) Occasionally the MWave Modem gets stuck, i found that you can recover without reboot with the "mwflush" program (in the bin directory). Good luck! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 01:37:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00890 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22467; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:34:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22261; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22248; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (134.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.134]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA06564; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3589F89A.1530144E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:35:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? References: <01bd9a9d$a79a6b60$55645a8e@peter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Kevin.. forget Irda.. sounds like fun, but its a serial connection, and slower than a parallel laplink type connection.. only useful for really small files.. better to use the Irda for printing to a laserjet 5P or 6P or similar printer.. :-) peter machule wrote: > Open up the Dell. > Dell loves using Intel OEM motherboards . > Many have a pin header for an IRDA Transceiver. > The transceiver itself should be less than $25. > Good luck .. > ..peter.. > -----Original Message----- > From: TPincoming@aol.com > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Date: Thursday, June 18, 1998 1:08 AM > Subject: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? > > >I'm about to buy a ThinkPad with fast IrDa, but my Dell desktop (relatively > >new) lacks IrDa. Is there an inexpensive hardware solution that will add > >IrDa to the Dell? > > > >I know I can rig up a cable setup but it seems inelegant. But I'll go this > >way if the infrared winds up being prohibitively expensive. > > > >Thanks in advance for any replies. > > > >Kevin Arnott > >(TPincoming@aol.com) -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 01:39:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00926 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22778; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:37:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22576; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22556; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg135-014.ricochet.net [204.179.135.14]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA24966; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002c01bd9b44$7d469120$0e87b3cc@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Bill Morrow" , "peter machule" Cc: Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:38:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It is 4 megabits per second or 4 times a T1 line. >Kevin.. >forget Irda.. >sounds like fun, but its a serial connection, and slower than a parallel laplink >type connection.. >only useful for really small files.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 01:59:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA01166 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23639; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:57:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23350; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23337; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (134.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.134]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA09411; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3589FDD7.DBD8DB57@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:57:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "Stephen A. Carter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem References: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To see where the ribbon cable (printed wiring ribbon cable) connects to the system board, you must remove the keyboard.. there are several screws under the machine that must be taken loose, esp a long one in the corner.. mark their placement or put tape over the hole to keep the correct screw in its correct location... the keyboard unsnaps and then slides forward several mm to become detached.. CAREFUL, there are several delicate PW cables connecting it to the system board.. now you should see the connectors for the top cable.. and the ferrite core around them.. if the cable appears undamaged and the connectors are tight then there is little reason to believe the trouble lies here.. but at least you can swap parts around if need be.. (tops i mean) one test i would do is connect an external monitor to the machine and see if it displays the same symptom.. if so, then the problem is the video board, if not then the problem is in the display.. there is little else i can do to help diagnose or cure this problem.. most of the remaining Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 16:55:16 +0900, Stephen A. Carter wrote: > > >In article <3588BCDF.EED52D74@icanect.net>, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>to remove the top cable, the keyboard needs to be removed.. > > > >Stupid question -- Is this top cable different from the flex cable > >that Paul Khoury mentioned? > > > Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. > > There's the flex cable, and the 2 wires that fit into the backlight's inverter. > > >>for this job you'll need a T-1 torx driver.. > >>this is some small i can barely see the tip.. > >>the 4 screws are most difficult to replace.. > > > >Okay, I've got the driver...you're talking about those four screws along > >the front edge of the machine at the base of the keyboard, yes? > > > Those are part of the process of disassembling the bottom part of the machine. > > The 4 screws along the display bezel are strictly for going into > the display. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 02:16:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA01616 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24332; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:13:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24136; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24123; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (134.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.134]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA28358; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358A01CA.5984595D@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:14:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: "Stephen A. Carter" , "CarterBcc:@cs.utk.edu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem References: <199806182115.OAA02526@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK, sorry.. i just read this messgae.. three cables to the top.. the mic cable (busted), the power cable adjacent to the mic cable and the video cable.. the brown thing with the curly part.. see the other message.. nre. removing the kbd.. the T-1 trox is for the 4 screws along the front edge.. tine and prone to disappearing in carpet.. :-) only remove the kbd if all else fails.. see other msg. re. testing with an external monitor.. note these thoughts and facts: 1. there are two different active display models.. parts are not interchangeable.. 2. i believe IBM sill sell only the entire top assy.. 3. the white screen sounds like it may be a video problem with the video and not a cable problem, but who can be sure at these distances.. sounds like all the data information is gone and all you get is the backlight..?!?!! 4. there are hardware manuals on the ibm web site.. or there were.. the 701 was/is included.. 5. i MAY be wrong about the displayt assy.. the LCD cable has a FRU# 04H4839 be sure that you get the right cable for your particular display.. remember, there are TWO different active displays.. i have this cable and i need the other cable.. 6. mic FRU # 04H8328 Paul Khoury wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:08:15 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Gentlemen.. > >to remove the top cable, the keyboard needs to be removed.. > >for this job you'll need a T-1 torx driver.. > >this is some small i can barely see the tip.. > >the 4 screws are most difficult to replace.. > > > >sounds like the machine needs more than a top cable, which is not available except as an assembly.. > > > Can you elaborate on this Bill? The cable itself is a seperate part, but you're > starting to confuse me. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 02:50:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02088 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26208; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:47:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25880; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (root@tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25868; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (tdl-dyn102.tdl.com [205.162.12.102]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA26927 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:47:18 -0700 Message-Id: <199806190647.XAA26927@tdl.tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:46:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FS: ThinkPad 701 and Extra Stuff Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have upgraded and now have the following for sale (Note: all have have been used daily for over 2 years; no problems). ThinkPad 701C. Active matrix. 486/50. 36mb RAM. 540HD. Under factory warranty until 1/8/99 (will supply copy of original invoice for verification). Keyboard and modem replaced in the last year by IBM EZServe. Have original box and docs. Fresh copy of Win95. Complete system with multiport, NiMH battery, floppy drive and cable, slim-style AC adapter, and the printer cable. (Can also supply a copy of the original preload [Win 3.1, etc] on DC 2120 tapes] $600 obo ALSO have the following extra stuff for the 701 $80 Extra multiport $90 Extra HD (360mb) w/caddy $40 Extra Battery (NiCad) $40 Another Extra batter (NiCad) $40 Extra SlimStyle AC Adapter Would STRONGLY prefer not to part out at this point. Will sell the computer and all of the above for $750 obo. Would like to sell soon and will wait a week to see if someone wants the whole shebang before trying to part out the extra stuff or sell the laptop by itself. Will ship COD. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 02:59:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02169 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26653; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:56:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26453; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26435; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts21.loop.net (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.253]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA08215 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 23:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806190656.XAA08215@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 23:56:55 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TPALL: AC adapter? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know of any other AC adapters for any current ThinkPads that have a round plug like the 701's, same outputs for + and -, only I need 20 volts, 1 amp? It's for my 710T. It's an unusal machine with no keyboard, but in great shape, and I can't wait to power it on. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 03:18:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02505 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27999; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27793; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27779; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (134.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.134]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA24287; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358A1061.3DDAF8E1@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? References: <199806190656.XAA08215@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. all these have the round plug and about the same v. 701, 365, 560, 600, 770 some are higher wattage.. Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone know of any other AC adapters for any current ThinkPads > that have a round plug like the 701's, same outputs for + and -, only I need 20 > volts, 1 amp? It's for my 710T. It's an unusal machine with no keyboard, but in great shape, > and I can't wait to power it on. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 03:26:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02589 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28671; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:23:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28318; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (smtp02.pp.gol.com [203.216.3.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28304; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tc-1-133.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-133.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.28.133]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id QAA04191; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:22:19 +0900 (JST) From: scarter@hticn.com (Stephen A. Carter) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: Bill Morrow Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:08:08 +0900 Organization: High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd., Nagoya, Japan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: References: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> <3589FDD7.DBD8DB57@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <3589FDD7.DBD8DB57@icanect.net> Lines: 17 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Big thanks to all who have offered advice both on the list and in private, especially Bill Morrow for the *very* detailed instructions on the quickest way for the novice Torxer to destroy a ThinkPad. I'll do the advised checking with an external monitor over the weekend. I'm searching the IBM site for the 701 hardware manuals as I write this. And if it looks like I'm getting in over my head -- which wouldn't be hard at all -- I'll just take the machine to IBM Japan for diagnosis and an estimate, then take it from there. Thanks again. -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. Nagoya, Japan PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 03:33:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA02732 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29068; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:27:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28933; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28921; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (134.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.134]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA25339; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358A130B.508C8E7B@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:28:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Stephen A. Carter" CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem References: <199806182115.OAA02538@ritchie.loop.com> <3589FDD7.DBD8DB57@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Probably the best course.. :-) the 701 is not an easy machine to service even with experience and a manual.. Stephen A. Carter wrote: > Big thanks to all who have offered advice both on the list and in > private, especially Bill Morrow for the *very* detailed instructions > on the quickest way for the novice Torxer to destroy a ThinkPad. > > I'll do the advised checking with an external monitor over the > weekend. I'm searching the IBM site for the 701 hardware manuals as I > write this. And if it looks like I'm getting in over my head -- which > wouldn't be hard at all -- I'll just take the machine to IBM Japan for > diagnosis and an estimate, then take it from there. > > Thanks again. > > -- > Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. > Nagoya, Japan > PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 08:36:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06259 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12934; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:34:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12780; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.ubh.com (prioritysolutions.com [206.155.246.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12768; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 206.155.246.159 by firewall.ubh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id MXY7PM2Y; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:27:57 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Stephen A. Carter" , Cc: "Bill Morrow" Subject: RE: [TP701C] White-screen problem Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 07:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bd9b7e$6676fae0$0101c0a8@mycroft> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Stephen! Try this URL for the IBM Mobile Systems Hardware maintenance manual for the 701: http://www.pc.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/tpvol2/CCONTENTS Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robtking@prioritysolutions.com http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/k/i/n/Robert-W-King/index.html > Big thanks to all who have offered advice both on the list and in > private, especially Bill Morrow for the *very* detailed instructions > on the quickest way for the novice Torxer to destroy a ThinkPad. > > I'll do the advised checking with an external monitor over the > weekend. I'm searching the IBM site for the 701 hardware manuals as I > write this. And if it looks like I'm getting in over my head -- which > wouldn't be hard at all -- I'll just take the machine to IBM Japan for > diagnosis and an estimate, then take it from there. > > Thanks again. > > -- > Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. > Nagoya, Japan > PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD * Team OS/2 * > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 11:11:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08368 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23070; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:08:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22886; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22806; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p16.hwts21.loop.net (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.253]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA11040; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806191507.IAA11040@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 08:06:04 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:50 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Paul.. >all these have the round plug and about the same v. >701, 365, 560, 600, 770 >some are higher wattage.. > No, the 701 is 16V, but yes, it does in fact have the same plug, This is why I'm asking the list, because I myself don't have a clue as to what other ThinkPads have. I might try to modify it or find a substitute somehow. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4/Server 4.0, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 11:34:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08775 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24594; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:33:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24430; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24418; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806191532.LAA24418@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 7500 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jun 1998 15:32:52 -0000 Received: from dial-26-2.ots.utexas.edu (HELO dial-124-23.ots.utexas.edu) (128.83.128.178) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 19 Jun 1998 15:32:52 -0000 From: "Volker Braun" To: "Thinkpad Mailinglist" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 10:34:49 -0500 Reply-To: "Volker Braun" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Dock I internal SCSI cable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! Where can i get that cable? It is part number 66G3513 but this part is not listed on IBM's website. Does anyone know a source or has data about the connector such that i can build my own cable? cu/2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 11:52:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09020 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25762; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:50:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25611; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.generics.co.uk (mailgate.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25572; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scigen.co.uk (scigen) by mailgate.generics.co.uk (5.0/PIPEX simple 1.26) id AA06570; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:44:46 +0000 Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk by scigen.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23237; Fri, 19 Jun 98 16:35:35 BST Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:39:45 +0000 To: "Thinkpad Mailinglist" , "Volker Braun" Subject: Re: Dock I internal SCSI cable Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 116e" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu =20 I spoke to IBM UK last month, I think the internal one is still=20 available, but I didn't go as far as ordering one (I was really after=20 the external one at the time, and I knew they were quoting for the=20 internal)=2E ______________________________ Reply Separator ____________________________= _____ Subject: Dock I internal SCSI cable Author: MIME:"Volker Braun" at INTERNET Date: 19/06/98 16:33 Hi! =20 Where can i get that cable? It is part number 66G3513 but this part is not=20 listed on IBM's=20 website=2E Does anyone know a source or has data about the connector such t= hat i=20 can build=20 my own cable?=20 =20 cu/2 =20 =20 =20 ------------------------------------------------------------=20 Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201=20 Harston Cambridge =20 CB2 5NH United Kingdom http://www=2Egenerics=2Eco=2Euk=20 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 13:52:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA11090 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02036; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:46:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01795; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.mda.ca (mailer.mda.ca [142.73.130.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01781; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sonny.mda.ca by mailer.mda.ca; (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-0117PM) id AA24914; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:53:56 -0700 Received: from localhost by sonny.mda.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA16213; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:46:22 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:46:21 -0700 (PDT) From: James Keeble X-Sender: jkeeble@sonny Reply-To: James Keeble To: thinkpad Subject: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, In an effort to get rid of the video blanking problem I've been having with the 770 under OS/2, I tried to install version 1.2 of the video drivers found on IBM's Thinkpad Support site. Unfortunately, the install program crashes part way through with a SYS3175 error in DSPINSTL.EXE. The machine will not reboot properly unless the video drivers are reset to VGA. Has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, were you able to find a way to get the install to work? Also, if anyone has successfully installed the video update, does it indeed fix the blanking problem? Thanks, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 14:28:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11719 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04469; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:25:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04294; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sparky.harvard.edu. (sparky.harvard.edu [128.103.190.81]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04271; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.harvard.edu by sparky.harvard.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA02096; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:25:47 -0400 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:26:51 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Jonathan E. D. Richmond" To: James Keeble cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: richmond@mail.inetport.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I haven't read all the video blanking notes, but I can tell you that there is a defect in the latest release of the 770 BIOS that causes video blanking. I suffered from the problem, but it went away when I downgraded to the original BIOS (dates something like September or October 1997). IBM has withdrawn the updated BIOS pending corrections. You'll see it's no longer on their web site. Hope this is helpful. --J! On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, James Keeble wrote: > Hello, > > In an effort to get rid of the video blanking problem I've been having > with the 770 under OS/2, I tried to install version 1.2 of the video > drivers found on IBM's Thinkpad Support site. > > Unfortunately, the install program crashes part way through with a SYS3175 > error in DSPINSTL.EXE. The machine will not reboot properly unless the > video drivers are reset to VGA. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, were you able to > find a way to get the install to work? > > Also, if anyone has successfully installed the video update, does it > indeed fix the blanking problem? > > Thanks, > James > > ----- Jonathan E. D. Richmond (617) 864-6394 Fellow (617) 496-3194 Taubman Center for State and Local Government FAX: (617) 496-1722 Kennedy School of Government Harvard University Cambridge MA 02138 e-mail: Jonathan_Richmond@harvard.edu or richmond@alum.mit.edu WWW: http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 15:00:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12354 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06065; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:56:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05864; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05832; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from G15-313A.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20518; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:56:11 -0400 Message-Id: <014001bd9bb4$0d377a00$b5baa7ce@G15-313A.Residence.USherb.CA> From: "Fabian Rodriguez" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Home & Away combo 14.4/Ethernet & Win98 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:55:42 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Sorry to bring this piece of crap hardware on a thread AGAIN, but it work= s for me... I am considering upgrading my 40MB 365XD to Win98. Win95 OSR2 would not recognize the HA combo card, has anybody tried it wi= th Win98? Does it have its own drivers? Or do the ones supplied by IBM in HAWIN95.E= XE work with Win98? Tx for any input on this.. Fabian Rodriguez - ICQ: 1485512 - http://www.exocom.qc.ca/magicfab Exocom Consulting, Sherbrooke, QC, Canada - Spanish, French and English =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D Visitez LE magazine =E9lectronique des =E9tudiants: http://www.j1k2r1.qc.= ca From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 15:10:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12605 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06767; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:09:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06669; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06657; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYF3S0FL1S978IY1@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:09:10 MST Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:39:47 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYF4VCLRN8978IY1@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, the mouse buttons on the used keyboard IBM chose to replace my last broken one with finally crapped out (somehow I just knew they wouldn't last all that long) so I decided to try something we use at work on connectors and switches that decide to quit doing their jobs. It's called Cramoiln R-5, made by Caig Laboraties and was developed for NASA where reliability is very important. This is available in most electronics parts shops - it costs a lot (about US$10) but it really works extremely well - I've gone >from having to use rather heavy pressure to where just a light tap now works again. I injected it through the tops - with the buttons slid out into their locked positions there are two small cracks that provide access down into where the switches themselves are. Care should be used here - it only takes a one molecule thick coating of Cramolin for it to do its thing, a little bit goes a very long way. Using too much means you'll be spending some time cleaning up the excess (it's pretty slippery stuff). I used some Kleenex over the tube going into the buttons when spraying it in to keep it off the rest of the keycaps - not all of it will just disappear down in the mouse buttons. Very light pressure on the spray can nozzle is also a good idea to keep the 'bounce' to a minimum. Based on my experience at work this should last a year or two (setting aside the crummy nature of the Lexmark keyboard in the first place), after which it'll need another application to get it going again. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 15:54:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA13332 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09571; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:52:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09467; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09441; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA29133; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:50:59 -1000 Message-ID: <003901bd9bbb$c6783c00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:52:00 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill Morrow wrote: >>all these have the round plug and about the same v. >>701, 365, 560, 600, 770 >>some are higher wattage.. >> Paul said: >No, the 701 is 16V, but yes, it does in fact have the same plug, Why "no"? Bill is right, these all have the same plugs - I think his main point is that they are 16v machines, not 20v (as you asked for in your original post). His phrase "about the same v." means "as one another", not necessarily "as the 710". David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 16:02:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13448 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10094; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09985; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09959; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA29166; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:57:39 -1000 Message-ID: <004201bd9bbc$a92e9080$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:58:41 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Billy Y. wrote: >they wouldn't last all that long) so I decided to try something we >use at work on connectors and switches that decide to quit doing >their jobs. It's called Cramoiln R-5, made by Caig Laboraties >and was developed for NASA where reliability is very important. Just a quick warning about these products - I once used some of Caig's Deoxit (a contact enhancer, like Tweek) on a desktop machine's slots, and accidentally oversprayed onto the motherboard. Mysteriously, the machine would then not work until I carefully cleaned the residue off the PC board. (This violated everything I thought I knew about PC board construction:-) *Did* help the slot contacts, I should add - wonderful stuff. Anyway, while Deoxit and Cramolin are different products for different applications, I would strongly recommend using it very sparingly, just in case the solvent base for both is the same mysterious board-scrambler! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 16:26:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13894 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12023; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11898; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11871; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a35.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.227]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05206; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:23:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <358AC905.5F82E3C3@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:24:37 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Keeble CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Which version of OS/2 are you using and which FixPack? FixPack 6 for Warp 4.0 has a problem with updating/upgrading video drivers. I had to backout to Warp 4.0 w/o fixpacks to install S3 Virge DX drivers for my desktop system. James James Keeble wrote: > > Hello, > > In an effort to get rid of the video blanking problem I've been having > with the 770 under OS/2, I tried to install version 1.2 of the video > drivers found on IBM's Thinkpad Support site. > > Unfortunately, the install program crashes part way through with a SYS3175 > error in DSPINSTL.EXE. The machine will not reboot properly unless the > video drivers are reset to VGA. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, were you able to > find a way to get the install to work? > > Also, if anyone has successfully installed the video update, does it > indeed fix the blanking problem? > > Thanks, > James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 16:28:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13938 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12306; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:25:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12168; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12153; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYF72P8KWG978IY1@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:25:42 MST Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:13:54 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons In-reply-to: "Message dated Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:58:41 -1000" <004201bd9bbc$a92e9080$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYF7J8A6TS978IY1@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Just a quick warning about these products - I once used some of Caig's > Deoxit (a contact enhancer, like Tweek) on a desktop machine's slots, and > accidentally oversprayed onto the motherboard. Mysteriously, the machine > would then not work until I carefully cleaned the residue off the PC board. > (This violated everything I thought I knew about PC board construction:-) > *Did* help the slot contacts, I should add - wonderful stuff. This stuff is a conductivity enhancer so it most likely induced enough leakage between some circuits to cause a problem. At today's speeds and board densities this would not be all that hard to do. The average key- board is a very low-tech device with loads of room between conductors but even so this is the classic case of "less is more". If I had any confidence I could get it back together ok I'd have disassembled it and applied it directly and only on the contacts themselves... Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 16:31:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13983 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12730; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:28:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12569; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12536; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a35.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.227]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06074; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:28:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <358ACA03.C8831EFF@theriver.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:28:51 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabian Rodriguez CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Home & Away combo 14.4/Ethernet & Win98 References: <014001bd9bb4$0d377a00$b5baa7ce@G15-313A.Residence.USherb.CA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Fabian Rodriguez wrote: > > Hi there, > > Sorry to bring this piece of crap hardware on a thread AGAIN, but it works > for me... > > I am considering upgrading my 40MB 365XD to Win98. > Win95 OSR2 would not recognize the HA combo card, has anybody tried it with > Win98? > > Does it have its own drivers? Or do the ones supplied by IBM in HAWIN95.EXE > work with Win98? Win95 drivers should work with Win98. James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 17:31:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA15074 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16087; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:29:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15970; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.mda.ca (mailer.mda.ca [142.73.130.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15952; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sonny.mda.ca by mailer.mda.ca; (5.65v4.0/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-0117PM) id AA19280; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:36:44 -0700 Received: from localhost by sonny.mda.ca (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA23005; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:29:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: James Keeble X-Sender: jkeeble@sonny To: James Mckenzie Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL In-Reply-To: <358AC905.5F82E3C3@theriver.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am using Warp 4.0 and fixpack 6. I've never had to back out from a fixpack before... is there a web site with info about this? Are there 'gotchas' I should know about? James On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, James Mckenzie wrote: > Which version of OS/2 are you using and which FixPack? FixPack 6 for > Warp 4.0 has a problem with updating/upgrading video drivers. I had to > backout to Warp 4.0 w/o fixpacks to install S3 Virge DX drivers for my > desktop system. > > James > > James Keeble wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > In an effort to get rid of the video blanking problem I've been having > > with the 770 under OS/2, I tried to install version 1.2 of the video > > drivers found on IBM's Thinkpad Support site. > > > > Unfortunately, the install program crashes part way through with a SYS3175 > > error in DSPINSTL.EXE. The machine will not reboot properly unless the > > video drivers are reset to VGA. > > > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, were you able to > > find a way to get the install to work? > > > > Also, if anyone has successfully installed the video update, does it > > indeed fix the blanking problem? > > > > Thanks, > > James > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 19:24:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17214 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20982; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:21:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20870; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20855; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (203.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.203]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA03079; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358AF299.816A755E@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:22:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volker Braun CC: Thinkpad Mailinglist Subject: Re: Dock I internal SCSI cable References: <199806191532.LAA24418@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try Bouylder Parts.. 800-388-7080, then 2 and 2 (for expedited delivery) and give them the FRU or P/N.. :-) Volker Braun wrote: > Hi! > > Where can i get that cable? It is part number 66G3513 but this part is not listed on IBM's > website. Does anyone know a source or has data about the connector such that i can build > my own cable? > > cu/2 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 19:24:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17232 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21277; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21062; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21031; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (203.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.203]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA03429; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358AF2E6.F49AD6A9@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:23:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? References: <199806191507.IAA11040@stevie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu bet you it will work fine.. that 20v must drop when under load.. i have used anything that will fit in all sorts of TP's.. :-) Paul Khoury wrote: > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:16:50 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >Paul.. > >all these have the round plug and about the same v. > >701, 365, 560, 600, 770 > >some are higher wattage.. > > > No, the 701 is 16V, but yes, it does in fact have the same plug, > > This is why I'm asking the list, because I myself don't have a clue > as to what other ThinkPads have. I might try to modify it or find a substitute > somehow. > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server > Proudly running OS/2 2.1, OS/2 Warp 3/4/Server 4.0, and Sun Solaris 2.4 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 19:26:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17258 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21540; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21402; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21376; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (203.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.203]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA04030; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358AF36E.C7B75FAF@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:25:34 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Keeble CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu GO to my web site http://thinkpads.com and find the link to Ty Shrakes "Robert Thorne Memorial Warped Thinkpad and Marching Chowder Society" site.. he has a fix.. also, see Ibn Batuta's fix for loading OS2 on the 770, on my web site.. he went through all of your problems and fixed them.. James Keeble wrote: > Hello, > > In an effort to get rid of the video blanking problem I've been having > with the 770 under OS/2, I tried to install version 1.2 of the video > drivers found on IBM's Thinkpad Support site. > > Unfortunately, the install program crashes part way through with a SYS3175 > error in DSPINSTL.EXE. The machine will not reboot properly unless the > video drivers are reset to VGA. > > Has anyone else experienced this problem? And if so, were you able to > find a way to get the install to work? > > Also, if anyone has successfully installed the video update, does it > indeed fix the blanking problem? > > Thanks, > James -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 19:29:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17290 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21975; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:28:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21863; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21849; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (203.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.203]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA04939; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358AF448.47D0B1BF@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:29:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billy@MIX.COM CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons References: <01IYF4VCLRN8978IY1@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am surprised that this stuff can reach the contact area.. the keyboard uses a membrane sort of thing.. (though i must admit that when one of my birds (Buddy, an Umbrella Cockatoo) decided the 755CE i was working with at the time looked much like the bottom of his cage, the 'stuff' sure got through the plastic and fried that keyboard!! ) billy@MIX.COM wrote: > Well, the mouse buttons on the used keyboard IBM chose to replace > my last broken one with finally crapped out (somehow I just knew > they wouldn't last all that long) so I decided to try something we > use at work on connectors and switches that decide to quit doing > their jobs. It's called Cramoiln R-5, made by Caig Laboraties > and was developed for NASA where reliability is very important. > > This is available in most electronics parts shops - it costs a > lot (about US$10) but it really works extremely well - I've gone > from having to use rather heavy pressure to where just a light > tap now works again. I injected it through the tops - with the > buttons slid out into their locked positions there are two small > cracks that provide access down into where the switches themselves > are. Care should be used here - it only takes a one molecule > thick coating of Cramolin for it to do its thing, a little bit > goes a very long way. Using too much means you'll be spending > some time cleaning up the excess (it's pretty slippery stuff). > I used some Kleenex over the tube going into the buttons when > spraying it in to keep it off the rest of the keycaps - not all > of it will just disappear down in the mouse buttons. Very light > pressure on the spray can nozzle is also a good idea to keep the > 'bounce' to a minimum. > > Based on my experience at work this should last a year or two > (setting aside the crummy nature of the Lexmark keyboard in the > first place), after which it'll need another application to get > it going again. > > Billy Y.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 19:32:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17353 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22302; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22163; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22135; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (203.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.203]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA05442; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358AF4BF.CBFD37A8@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:31:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Paul Khoury , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? References: <003901bd9bbb$c6783c00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OR, shove the round thing in the round hole and see if it works.. :-) David Ross wrote: > Bill Morrow wrote: > > >>all these have the round plug and about the same v. > >>701, 365, 560, 600, 770 > >>some are higher wattage.. > >> > > Paul said: > > >No, the 701 is 16V, but yes, it does in fact have the same plug, > > Why "no"? Bill is right, these all have the same plugs - I think his main point is that they are 16v machines, not 20v (as you > asked for in your original post). His phrase "about the same v." means "as one another", not necessarily "as the 710". > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu > www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 19 19:35:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA17458 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22652; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22553; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22527; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (203.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.203]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA06076; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358AF55A.FEE65ABB@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billy@MIX.COM CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons References: <01IYF7J8A6TS978IY1@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can tell you (from first hand experience) that disassembly of a 755 keyboard is not easy, AND RE-assembly is nearly impossible..!! (see the 'bird' previous comment) :-) billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > Just a quick warning about these products - I once used some of Caig's > > Deoxit (a contact enhancer, like Tweek) on a desktop machine's slots, and > > accidentally oversprayed onto the motherboard. Mysteriously, the machine > > would then not work until I carefully cleaned the residue off the PC board. > > (This violated everything I thought I knew about PC board construction:-) > > *Did* help the slot contacts, I should add - wonderful stuff. > > This stuff is a conductivity enhancer so it most likely induced enough > leakage between some circuits to cause a problem. At today's speeds and > board densities this would not be all that hard to do. The average key- > board is a very low-tech device with loads of room between conductors > but even so this is the classic case of "less is more". If I had any > confidence I could get it back together ok I'd have disassembled it and > applied it directly and only on the contacts themselves... > > Billy Y.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:25:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08782 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15662; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14738; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14610; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00449; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00449@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "James Keeble" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 19:07:43 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:25:34 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >GO to my web site http://thinkpads.com and find the link to Ty Shrakes "Robert >Thorne Memorial Warped Thinkpad and Marching Chowder Society" site.. >he has a fix.. To go there directly, it's http://www.tpwarper.com -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:26:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08789 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15649; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14707; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14580; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00422; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00422@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "David Ross" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 18:46:44 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:31:11 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >OR, shove the round thing in the round hole and see if it works.. :-) > Okay, it SPECIFICALLY says on the machine 20V, 1A. Not 16, but 20V! If you put less in, then what's the point of stepping it down? IOW, if it wants 20, you GIVE it 20. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:26:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08797 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15671; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14675; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14561; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00391; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00391@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "David Ross" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 18:41:34 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Why "no"? Bill is right, these all have the same plugs - I think his main point is that they are 16v machines, not 20v (as you >asked for in your original post). His phrase "about the same v." means "as one another", not necessarily "as the 710". Yeah, but I asked for machines with the same plug style AND the same voltage. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:27:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08803 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15665; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14573; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14546; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00425; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00425@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bill Morrow" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 18:53:23 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fixing 755 Mouse Buttons Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:46 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >I can tell you (from first hand experience) that disassembly of a 755 keyboard is >not easy, AND RE-assembly is nearly impossible..!! >(see the 'bird' previous comment) Isn't it similiar to a 355C? The first time I tried to take apart my 355, it was not too easy, but MUCH easier than my 701 (which I hope I won't have to attempt again anytime soon). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:27:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08812 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15660; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14604; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14554; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00430; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00430@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bill Morrow" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 19:00:26 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: What hardware lets desktops talk to ThinkPads via IrDa? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:35:22 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Kevin.. >forget Irda.. >sounds like fun, but its a serial connection, and slower than a parallel laplink >type connection.. >only useful for really small files.. >better to use the Irda for printing to a laserjet 5P or 6P or similar printer.. Yeah, but if you're printing graphics, wouldn't that be slow too? If they had parallel port IrDA, then that would be cool. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:28:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08817 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15653; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:53:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14763; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14646; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00443; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00443@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "James Keeble" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 19:06:04 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:29:09 -0700 (PDT), James Keeble wrote: >I am using Warp 4.0 and fixpack 6. I've never had to back out from a >fixpack before... is there a web site with info about this? Are there >'gotchas' I should know about? > I think it's either in a text or .INF file on either disk 1 of the CSF disk, or disk 1 of the Fixpack itself. The only time I had to backout was with FP6 to FP5. Not fun (as I'd rather do other stuff). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:28:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08829 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15657; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14692; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14590; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00438; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210251.TAA00438@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "os2support@theriver.com" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 19:04:46 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:24:37 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >Which version of OS/2 are you using and which FixPack? FixPack 6 for >Warp 4.0 has a problem with updating/upgrading video drivers. I had to >backout to Warp 4.0 w/o fixpacks to install S3 Virge DX drivers for my >desktop system. > Try FP 5. I put on FP6 on my ThinkPad, and I don't know if it's ThinkPad specific, but I couldn't use ANY fonts, except helvetica I think. And I don't have the problem on my desktop. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 00:29:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08835 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15651; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14533; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14519; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 22:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA00386; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 19:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806210250.TAA00386@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 18:40:05 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701C] White-screen problem Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >3. the white screen sounds like it may be a video problem with the video and not a cable problem, but >who can be sure at these distances.. sounds like all the data information is gone and all you get is the >backlight..?!?!! > Yeah, this might be what's going on, because this is what happened when my TP355C's display went out. I had no data on the screen, but I did have the backlight go on. Sorry also about my late response, I was busy moving my belongings AND ThinkPads over (total of 4 now). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 12:45:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17818 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10736; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:40:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10441; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mongkok.hk.super.net (mongkok.hk.super.net [202.14.67.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10420; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kwaifong.hk.super.net (root@kwaifong.hk.super.net [202.14.67.7]) by mongkok.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA12478 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:39:55 +0800 (HKT) Received: from hobbes (usr3-7.hk.super.net [202.64.35.7]) by kwaifong.hk.super.net with SMTP id AAA05317 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:39:53 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <004b01bd9d33$34aa2260$072340ca@hobbes> From: "William Hay" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:39:46 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A silly question from a non engineer: the new TP power adapters are rated a bit higher in wattage than the older ones, although they otherwise seem electrically and physically similar. What's the diff? Should I care? Will I break anything if I use an older adapter on a newer machine? Thanks. Will -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: David Ross Cc: Paul Khoury ; ThinkPad List Date: June 20, 1998 7.31 am Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? >OR, shove the round thing in the round hole and see if it works.. :-) > >David Ross wrote: > >> Bill Morrow wrote: >> >> >>all these have the round plug and about the same v. >> >>701, 365, 560, 600, 770 >> >>some are higher wattage.. >> >> >> >> Paul said: >> >> >No, the 701 is 16V, but yes, it does in fact have the same plug, >> >> Why "no"? Bill is right, these all have the same plugs - I think his main point is that they are 16v machines, not 20v (as you >> asked for in your original post). His phrase "about the same v." means "as one another", not necessarily "as the 710". >> >> David A. Ross >> ross@math.hawaii.edu >> www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross > > > >-- >Happy Trails... :-) >** Bill Morrow ** >WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com >DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe >bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com >770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad >Win95B & Win98-RC2 > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 13:02:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18015 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11827; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:58:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11604; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11592; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYHSF117KW979RI4@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:58:46 MST Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:45:11 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: TPALL: AC adapter? In-reply-to: "Message dated Mon, 22 Jun 1998 00:39:46 +0800" <004b01bd9d33$34aa2260$072340ca@hobbes> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYHSWCZNVS979RI4@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > the new TP power adapters are rated a > bit higher in wattage than the older ones, although they otherwise seem > electrically and physically similar. What's the diff? Should I care? Will I > break anything if I use an older adapter on a newer machine? There are two enemies of electronics - heat and dirt. In this case power supplies are rated to deliver a certain amount of power while disipating a certain amount of heat created in doing that. If more heat than they can disipate safey is generated they smoke. Exactly how much more it takes to toast one is a bit hard to specifically pin down - some may be built better than others and usually there's no way to know what this margin might be. Best to occasionally touch the supply to check on how it's doing in the temperature rise department, if you must do this at all... There is also a voltage issue - it will drop as a supply is over- loaded and this may cause logic errors in the computer too. This probably won't permanently damage any hardware but it could cause 'random' crashes or other less fatal malfunctions. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 14:20:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19102 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13918; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:17:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13727; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tigger.cc.uic.edu (TIGGER.CC.UIC.EDU [128.248.100.51]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13714; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-123-230.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-123-230.il.us.ibm.net [32.100.123.230]) by tigger.cc.uic.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA200462 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:16:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199806211816.NAA200462@tigger.cc.uic.edu> From: "Ashish Sen" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 13:16:55 Reply-To: "Ashish Sen" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Need help on 750 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My Thinkpad 750 has started to behave badly. It claims that power manager is not installed. Is this most likely a hardware problem? If not anything I should try? Ashish Sen Professor of Urban Planning University of Illinois at Chicago 312 996.4820 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 14:31:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19225 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14440; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:28:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14227; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14215; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 52.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.116.52]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980621182818.JLBP25087@52.chicago-12.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:28:18 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Need help on 750 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:28:24 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-ID: <359a509f.11375452@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199806211816.NAA200462@tigger.cc.uic.edu> In-Reply-To: <199806211816.NAA200462@tigger.cc.uic.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Jun 98 13:16:55 , you wrote: >My Thinkpad 750 has started to behave badly. It claims that power >manager is not installed. Is this most likely a hardware problem? If not >anything I should try? This is more than likely a software issue. 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NEW,NEW,NEW $10 MAIL IN REBATE ON SELECTED CARTRIDGES SIMPLY ORDER YOUR NEW CARTRIDGE, WHEN IT ARRIVES MAIL BACK YOUR REBATE CERTIFICATE WITH ANY USED CARTRIDGE FOR INSTANT CREDIT WE ACCEPT ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS OR COD ORDERS CORPORATE ACCOUNTS AVAILABLE WITH APPROVED CREDIT ALL PACKAGES SHIPPED UPS GROUND UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE PLEASE NOTE: WE ARE CURRENTLY BUYING HP-SERIES 5L - 5P - AND 4000 CARTRIDGES ALL LEXMARK OPTRA CARTRIDGES/ CANON PC COPIER CARTRIDGES CALL FOR MORE INFO ON THE ABOVE From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 20:07:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23103 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23813; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:04:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23586; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23574; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a35.pm3-33.theriver.com [208.164.96.99]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15210 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:04:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <358D9FCA.ABC0953B@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 17:05:30 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: Zip Drive Internal for Thinkpads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I decided to try and find information on a drive I'm looking at and came across the following: ZIPIBM for $178.05 (unfortunately this is for the US and Canada only) URL: http://www.4dcorp.com/cgi-local/nph-store.cgi?prod=313845&cart_id=00262525 James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 20:52:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA23938 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26032; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:49:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25831; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (letoured@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25819; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from letoured@localhost) by pike.sover.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06656; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806220049.UAA06656@pike.sover.net> From: letoured@sover.net Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 19:34:02 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" , "os2support@theriver.com" In-Reply-To: <199806210251.TAA00438@stevie.loop.com> Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Try FP 5. I put on FP6 on my ThinkPad, and I don't know if it's ThinkPad >specific, but I couldn't use ANY fonts, except helvetica I think. And I >don't have the problem on my desktop. FWIW, I don't have any problem with fonts and FP 6 on my old 560. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 23:10:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25857 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00370; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:04:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29992; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (stevie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29955; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by stevie.loop.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA26659; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806220303.UAA26659@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "letoured@sover.net" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 98 20:04:10 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP770] Install of updated OS/2 video drivers FAIL Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 21 Jun 98 19:34:02 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >>Try FP 5. I put on FP6 on my ThinkPad, and I don't know if it's ThinkPad >>specific, but I couldn't use ANY fonts, except helvetica I think. And I >>don't have the problem on my desktop. > >FWIW, I don't have any problem with fonts and FP 6 on my old 560. > Maybe it's a 701-specific problem. Is there anyone here with Warp 4 on their 701 who's had problems, or no problems with FP6? Thanks. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my ThinkPad 701CS http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html (you can link to the TP Assistant from here) Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3/4, DR-DOS/Novell Netware 7.02, and Sun Solaris 2.4 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 21 23:11:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA25870 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00800; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:08:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00522; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mozart.inet.co.th (root@mozart.inet.co.th [202.44.200.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00508; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TruPPP102.inet.co.th (TruPPP102.inet.co.th [203.151.0.17]) by mozart.inet.co.th (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA17762; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:08:43 +0700 (GMT+0700) To: Thinkpad List Cc: James Mckenzie Subject: Re: Zip Drive Internal for Thinkpads Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 03:07:28 GMT Message-ID: <358dc601.42600917@mozart.inet.co.th> References: <358D9FCA.ABC0953B@theriver.com> In-Reply-To: <358D9FCA.ABC0953B@theriver.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been using an internal zip drive made by VST (same as in the ad you saw) since January. This drive fits into the Ultrabay of my ThinkPad 760CD. Installation was simply plug and play. It is way faster than the parallel external drive I used previously. I certainly have not had any problems with it at all so far. One niggly thing is that it is not hot-swappable, so requires a reboot each time I want to exchange it with my CD-ROM drive or vice-versa - but I'm used to it now. I bought the drive in the UK for UKP199 (about USD300 or so), so it looks like the price you saw USD178 is a very good one. You can have a look at pictures and specs of the drive at http://www.vsttech.com/. Another company called CNF also make such drives. Have a look at http://www.cnfinc.com/ Hope this helps. Regards, Nick From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 07:06:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01769 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17293; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:02:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17175; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dns02.pncbank.com (dns02.pncbank.com [170.201.41.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17163; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from vwall1.pncbank.com ([170.201.2.20]) by dns02.pncbank.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA26902 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 07:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LMS.PNCBANK.COM by vwall1.pncbank.com (SMI-8.6/8.6) id GAA02091; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:53:12 -0400 Received: by LMS.PNCBANK.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.1.0.0) with snapi via NOTES id 0053510002111677; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:59:48 -0400 To: " - (052)thinkpad(a)CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Unsubscribe Message-ID: <0053510002111677000002L172*@MHS> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:59:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 13:51:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08522 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28548; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:42:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26487; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ndcrelay.mcit.com (ndcrelay.mcit.com [166.37.172.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26466; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (omss1a.mcit.com [166.37.204.2]) by ndcrelay.mcit.com (8.8.7/) with ESMTP id NAA24936; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RCC05052 ([166.35.168.150]) by omss1a.mcit.com.mci.com (Intermail v3.1 117 241) with SMTP id <19980622174200.GKQJ7401@[166.35.168.150]>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:42:00 -0500 Message-ID: <358E9760.7224@cyberramp.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:41:53 -0500 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu CC: jmcghee@cyberramp.net Subject: Video Capture on TP760ED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi all, I am trying to do video capture on my 760ED with no luck. I am using the DVD program that came with it. The preview screen is blank and when I try to capture I get a message that 0 frames were captured and that I should make sure vertical sync interupts are enabled (anyone know what this means?). I know the video source is working and I've checked in ThinkPad Features that VidCap is enabled and it and pci are using irq 11. What else can I check? Has anyone else gotten this to work? Thanks, Jim McGhee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 14:21:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09160 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09583; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:16:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09496; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09479; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-6-5.binc.net [205.173.178.100]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06064 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:15:57 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bd9e09$cd26ac80$64b2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: [TP770E/ED] Video/Software Troubles Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:15:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If anyone out there has a ThinkPad 770E or 770ED (*not* 770) running Windows 95 *and* any of the following software, I would very much like to dialog: a. Norton Utilities 3.0 b. Hasbro Battleship c. Hasbro Risk Neither (b) nor (c), and portions of (a) will operate on my system with IBM's current video drivers. I have found a work-around using the previous version of the drivers (obtained from Microsoft) but I would very much like to determine whether this is a problem unique to my machine. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 14:44:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA09605 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10811; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:37:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10703; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from denmark.it.earthlink.net (denmark-c.it.earthlink.net [204.119.177.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10691; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thorrune.earthlink.net (ip207.greenville.al.pub-ip.psi.net [38.11.251.207]) by denmark.it.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA15612; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000e01bd9e0c$c4344d00$cffb0b26@thorrune.earthlink.net> From: "Thor Stromsnes" To: , "Thinkpad List" Cc: "James Mckenzie" Subject: SV: Zip Drive Internal for Thinkpads Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:37:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, I'm using the VST internal Zip-drive for my 770, and I have noted = the same improvement in speed over a external parallel zip (*very* = fast!).=20 I have however not had any problems hot-swaping my zip; I do it all the = time (DVD to Zip to FD etc etc). Regards Thor =20 -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk Til: Thinkpad List Kopi: James Mckenzie Dato: 21. juni 1998 23:17 Emne: Re: Zip Drive Internal for Thinkpads >I've been using an internal zip drive made by VST (same as in the ad >you saw) since January. This drive fits into the Ultrabay of my >ThinkPad 760CD. Installation was simply plug and play. It is way >faster than the parallel external drive I used previously. I certainly >have not had any problems with it at all so far. One niggly thing is >that it is not hot-swappable, so requires a reboot each time I want to >exchange it with my CD-ROM drive or vice-versa - but I'm used to it >now. > >I bought the drive in the UK for UKP199 (about USD300 or so), so it >looks like the price you saw USD178 is a very good one. > >You can have a look at pictures and specs of the drive at >http://www.vsttech.com/. Another company called CNF also make such >drives. Have a look at http://www.cnfinc.com/ > >Hope this helps. > >Regards, > >Nick > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 15:22:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10329 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13395; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:15:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13173; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13160; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 15:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a21.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.149]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA20511; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 12:15:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806221915.MAA20511@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 98 12:19:05 -0700 To: "Thor Stromsnes" , "Thinkpad List" In-Reply-To: <000e01bd9e0c$c4344d00$cffb0b26@thorrune.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: SV: Zip Drive Internal for Thinkpads X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <000e01bd9e0c$c4344d00$cffb0b26@thorrune.earthlink.net>, on 06/22/98 at 02:37 PM, "Thor Stromsnes" said: >Well, I'm using the VST internal Zip-drive for my 770, and I have >noted the same improvement in speed over a external parallel zip >(*very* fast!). I have however not had any problems hot-swaping my >zip; I do it all the time (DVD to Zip to FD etc etc). The floppy and CD are not hot-swappable in the 760ED either. I would like to see an Imation 120 Superdisk for that series. They get treated like a super large floppy.... James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 17:20:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12202 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20837; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20686; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.teleport.com (smtp1.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20658; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25391; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id OAA29564; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:16:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: Thor Stromsnes cc: nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk, Thinkpad List , James Mckenzie Subject: Re: SV: Zip Drive Internal for Thinkpads In-Reply-To: <000e01bd9e0c$c4344d00$cffb0b26@thorrune.earthlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Thor Stromsnes wrote: > Well, I'm using the VST internal Zip-drive for my 770, and I have noted the same improvement in speed over a external parallel zip (*very* fast!). > I have however not had any problems hot-swaping my zip; I do it all the time (DVD to Zip to FD etc etc). > >I've been using an internal zip drive made by VST (same as in the ad > >you saw) since January. This drive fits into the Ultrabay of my > >ThinkPad 760CD. Installation was simply plug and play. It is way Has anyone tried to use one of these in the 360CSE? It has a swappable floppy drive and I was hoping.... Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 17:44:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12601 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22078; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:43:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21967; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21955; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA27955; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358ED013.7A86E893@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:43:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert J. Karp" CC: ThinkPad Users Group Subject: Re: [TP770E/ED] Video/Software Troubles References: <000101bd9e09$cd26ac80$64b2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The only thing i can say here is notron is buggy.. Robert J. Karp wrote: > If anyone out there has a ThinkPad 770E or 770ED (*not* 770) running Windows > 95 *and* any of the following software, I would very much like to dialog: > > a. Norton Utilities 3.0 > b. Hasbro Battleship > c. Hasbro Risk > > Neither (b) nor (c), and portions of (a) will operate on my system with > IBM's current video drivers. I have found a work-around using the previous > version of the drivers (obtained from Microsoft) but I would very much like > to determine whether this is a problem unique to my machine. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 17:49:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12684 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22667; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:48:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22546; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22520; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (242.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.242]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA29741; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358ED15F.79EBB499@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:49:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim McGhee CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Video Capture on TP760ED References: <358E9760.7224@cyberramp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jim.. i don't mess with the video so i am not up on those particular bugs, BUT, a fellow on http://www.thinkpads.com/enter.html who is unhappy due to the small size of the video capture but he is obviously USING it.. :-) Jim McGhee wrote: > Hi all, > I am trying to do video capture on my 760ED with no luck. I am using > the DVD program that came with it. The preview screen is blank and when > I try to capture I get a message that 0 frames were captured and that I > should make sure vertical sync interupts are enabled (anyone know what > this means?). > I know the video source is working and I've checked in ThinkPad Features > that VidCap is enabled and it and pci are using irq 11. > What else can I check? > Has anyone else gotten this to work? > > Thanks, > Jim McGhee -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 22 19:31:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14975 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26720; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:30:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26623; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26611; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.197]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980622232952.IHOE18998@760>; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:29:52 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Jim McGhee" , Cc: Subject: Re: Video Capture on TP760ED Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 19:25:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980622232952.IHOE18998@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It works beautifully! Sound like you have the video dongle plugged into the wrong hole - you should be able to see a real time preview on the overlay. ---------- > From: Jim McGhee > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Cc: jmcghee@cyberramp.net > Subject: Video Capture on TP760ED > Date: Monday, June 22, 1998 1:41 PM > > Hi all, > I am trying to do video capture on my 760ED with no luck. I am using > the DVD program that came with it. The preview screen is blank and when > I try to capture I get a message that 0 frames were captured and that I > should make sure vertical sync interupts are enabled (anyone know what > this means?). > I know the video source is working and I've checked in ThinkPad Features > that VidCap is enabled and it and pci are using irq 11. > What else can I check? > Has anyone else gotten this to work? > > Thanks, > Jim McGhee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 02:06:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20883 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07922; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:04:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07815; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07801; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates (ts3p1.ro.com [205.216.92.63]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA32242 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 01:04:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199806230604.BAA32242@sh1.ro.com> X-Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,comp.os.os2.bugs,comp.os.os2.networking.misc Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 01:01:30 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Ethernet stopped working after IP change X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a verbose, tale like presentation of a problem I'm having. I have attempted to explain my reasoning, all the steps taken, and show that I really do have a shred of sanity left. Maybe. I'm not new to networking, I have a good idea of how it works, and I have no clue where I screwed up, so all the little steps are included just in case. I have two computers, a desktop and a ThinkPad, both running OS/2 v4, that have been separated from a LAN with static IP addresses for all the computers on the LAN. I'll call that LAN the Old LAN from now on. As previous members of the Old LAN, my desktop and ThinkPad had IPs that were allocated for the Old LAN even though they were no longer part of the Old LAN. The Old LAN had a nice ISDN connection that was accessible as a regular TCP/IP gateway. After their separation, the desktop and ThinkPad make up their own little LAN and now use a regular dial up connection for internet access. The Old LAN still exists, and I still use it. A week ago, I decided that I wanted to change the IPs on my desktop and ThinkPad so they could communicate with the Old LAN again. Without changing IPs, any attempt to access a machine on the Old LAN uses ethernet, but the Old LAN is now a remote site and I need to use a modem to get to it. Ethernet now goes between the desktop and ThinkPad using one of those 10 Base T cables to directly connect two systems. I take advantage of having the two systems on a network. So, I need to change both IPs simultaneously to continue using the network. I changed the IP of my desktop to 10.0.0.2, and the IP of my ThinkPad to 10.0.0.3, and set the netmask on both systems to 255.0.0.0. Then, I removed route entries relating to the Old LAN. I figured this would be enough to have the two systems on talking terms again. I also made changes to the hosts file so that I could call each system by name (I tested with the host command to find that my changes worked fine). I was wrong, although I have no clue why. When I pinged my ThinkPad from my desktop, the ping went out, but no response came back. I checked the IP -- it was correct. I checked the routes -- netstat -r showed: 10.0.0.0 10.0.0.2 255.0.0.0 0 0 U 0 lan0 So the route to the two system LAN is correct. I checked the ethernet card (PCI card with RealTek chip set) -- it showed that an ethernet connection was detected and that data was being transmitted and/or received (doesn't distinguish). I checked the reported speed of data transmission using IPSpeed (nifty little program) -- data was going out, but not in. I checked the arp table -- it was empty. It seemed that the ping had not been returned by the ThinkPad. While I pinged my ThinkPad from my desktop, I checked the ThinkPad and found the ping's answer never went out, and the software doesn't seem to know that a problem exists. I checked the IP -- it was correct. I checked the routes -- netstat -r showed: 10.0.0.0 10.0.0.3 255.0.0.0 0 0 U 0 lan0 So the route to the two system LAN is correct. I checked the ethernet card (PCMCIA Home & Away adapter) -- it showed that an ethernet connection was detected and that data was being transmitted and/or received (doesn't distinguish). I checked the reported speed of data transmission using IPSpeed (nifty little program) -- data was going out, and in. I checked the arp table -- it had a correct entry for the desktop. I concluded that the ping had not been returned by the ThinkPad even though the ThinkPad had received the ping. Then, I pinged my desktop from my ThinkPad after stopping my desktop from pinging. I found that the ThinkPad never used ethernet, and the software is oblivious to this oddity. I checked the ethernet card while pinging -- it showed that an ethernet connection was detected and that *no* data was being transmitted and/or received (doesn't distinguish). I checked the reported speed of data transmission using IPSpeed (nifty little program) -- data was going out, but not in. I checked the arp table -- it was empty (I cleared it before beginning this test). The arp table on the desktop was also empty. I concluded that the ping had not been sent by the ThinkPad. I changed the Home & Away card in my ThinkPad with another (I have a few) in hopes of finding a new hardware fault. Both cards I tried yield the same results. Later I took the ThinkPad back to the Old LAN and connected it. After changing the IP and adding routes from the command line, the ThinkPad began communicating with the Old LAN again through ethernet. No problems at all. I then took a new ethernet cable and the ThinkPad back with me to my desktop. I reset both systems to use their old IPs and routes, and connected them with the new cable. The ThinkPad still refused to talk, with the same symptoms as I described above. Please note that all of the involved hardware worked and networked my desktop and ThinkPad on their own little LAN just fine before the IPs were changed. I changed the ethernet cable and ethernet adapter on the ThinkPad to test for bad hardware, but nothing changed the results. Does anyone have a clue what to do next? I'm out of ideas. Thanks for the help! -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 13:45:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA00219 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12563; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:40:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12353; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12324; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA02189 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806231740.KAA02189@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SPDIF port on 770??!! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I saw on the valueamerica.com web page a claim that the 770 has an SPDIF port. Is that true??!!!! I'd never heard that before. Thanks! PS, Valueamerica has a full page ad in today's San Francisco Chronicle for brand new 765D's with 32 meg ram, 3 gig disk, and CD for $1999. I wonder when we'll see a 770 clearance like that. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 14:58:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01483 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16809; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:53:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16598; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16585; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip129-37-250-184 (slip129-37-250-184.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.250.184]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA29106 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:53:00 GMT Message-ID: <358FF8FB.76E0@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:50:35 -0400 From: "Lawrence J. Schipper" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Subscription Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 15:25:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01945 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18464; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:22:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18268; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18248; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (169.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.169]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA28776; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3590008F.3201A07@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:22:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Rubin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SPDIF port on 770??!! References: <199806231740.KAA02189@netcom9.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. that ad has been in the Wall Street Journal too.. its a good price for a new thinkpad and sort of sets the price point for all older thinkpads.. what the h... is a SPDIF port..?? :-) Paul Rubin wrote: > I saw on the valueamerica.com web page a claim that the 770 has > an SPDIF port. Is that true??!!!! I'd never heard that before. > Thanks! > > PS, Valueamerica has a full page ad in today's San Francisco Chronicle > for brand new 765D's with 32 meg ram, 3 gig disk, and CD for $1999. > I wonder when we'll see a 770 clearance like that. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 15:54:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02462 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20607; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:52:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20463; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20449; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 15:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYKR3W572O9I4JC1@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:51:48 MST Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:42:14 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 755 buttons In-reply-to: "Message dated Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:34:49 +0000" <199806230933.LAA18654@swissonline.ch> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYKRIKY0QA9I4JC1@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Sorry I am a bit late, but I have juste discovered your mail in the thinkpad > list. My left button of my 755 CDV does not work correctly (it seems that > the contact is a litlle "tired") > I am not sure if I have well understood what you have said (I'm not speaking > english). Do you mean that by using your R-5 product I could "repair" my > left button ? Yes, this is a chemical that is supplied in a spray can with a small tube on its nozzle and very carefully applied through the tops of the mouse buttons after they have been pulled out into their locked positions. I would expect it is available in Switzerland although I don't know where. The manufacturer is a USA company named Caig Laboratories and the product itself is named Cramoiln R-5. If this is still not clear write to me personally - a French friend of mine will be here tomorrow and I can have her translate all this, if you are also speaking French that is. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 17:45:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA04225 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27782; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:43:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27636; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom12.netcom.com (genepool@netcom12.netcom.com [192.100.81.124]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27622; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id OAA21666; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Source for new 770 in US? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01IYKRIKY0QA9I4JC1@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking for one of the new 770 series machines with DVD, 8 GB drive, etc, for one of our directors who is leaving town in a few days. Our usual sources have none in stock. Any recommendations? TIA. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 20:15:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07224 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02887; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:14:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02728; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com (send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02715; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980624001548.29723.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [193.214.22.49] by send1c; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:15:48 PDT Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:15:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Azad Hessamodini Reply-To: azadh@bigfoot.com Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 20:33:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07403 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03598; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:31:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03497; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from UPIMSSMTPUSR03 (smtp.email.msn.com [207.68.143.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03476; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aptiva - 209.214.88.35 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:31:07 -0700 Message-ID: <009e01bd9f07$870ff7c0$0200a8c0@aptiva> From: "Al Zhou" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:32:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 20:35:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA07441 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03940; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:34:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03853; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03835; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:34:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CNSUa11436 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:34:03 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d2402b4.35904983@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 20:34:03 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Recommend IBM 600 vendor? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm about ready to bite the bullet on the purchase of an IBM ThinkPad 600. What's the best place to buy one? I'm leaning toward mail-order. Is there an honest, inexpensive mail order supplier of units like this that anyone can recommend? If possible, a place with a liberal or even "no questions asked" return policy would be great...are there places with this policy for laptops? Thanks in advance for any replies. Kevin Arnott From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 21:21:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA07998 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06289; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:19:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06123; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06087; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.168]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA06057; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <014701bd9f0e$4af0de60$a8769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Recommend IBM 600 vendor? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:20:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought my ThinkPad 600 /PII-233 from PC Connection. http://www.pcconnection.com/ Zero hassle and no Sales Tax. David -----Original Message----- From: TPincoming@aol.com To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 23, 1998 5:35 PM Subject: Recommend IBM 600 vendor? >I'm about ready to bite the bullet on the purchase of an IBM ThinkPad 600. >What's the best place to buy one? I'm leaning toward mail-order. Is there an >honest, inexpensive mail order supplier of units like this that anyone can >recommend? If possible, a place with a liberal or even "no questions asked" >return policy would be great...are there places with this policy for laptops? > >Thanks in advance for any replies. > >Kevin Arnott From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 21:25:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA08038 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06611; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06538; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06526; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:24:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CGNIa22587 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:23:19 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:23:19 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm considering buying a ThinkPad 600, but my ideal machine would be a 560 with a 13.3" display. (I don't need a cd rom drive, and love the 560 form factor.) Any ideas if IBM is considering such a machine before I spring for a TP 600? Thanks in advance for any replies. Kevin Arnott From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 23 22:51:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA09175 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09595; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:49:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09446; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09429; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA18279; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:49:07 -1000 Message-ID: <004c01bd9f1a$d07f1f40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Recommend IBM 600 vendor? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:50:10 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I'm about ready to bite the bullet on the purchase of an IBM ThinkPad 600. >What's the best place to buy one? I'm leaning toward mail-order. Is there an >honest, inexpensive mail order supplier of units like this that anyone can >recommend? The 'biggies' - Micro Warehouse, CDW, PC Mall, PC Connection, and Insight (I'm probably leaving one or two out) are all so comparable that you should probably choose by lowest delivered price. > If possible, a place with a liberal or even "no questions asked" >return policy would be great...are there places with this policy for laptops? I've *negotiated* this into Thinkpad purchases, but I believe that (for reasons I've never understood) genuine authorized IBM dealers tend to *not* have such a policy - sometimes they have official easy-return policies for every manufacturer *except* IBM. However, I also believe that any of these companies, whatever their official policy, will take your machine back if you have a good, valid reason for the return. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 00:04:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10140 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20739; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20584; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20571; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA04294; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35907AAB.B55F2A95@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:03:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TPincoming@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? References: <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Kevin.. i strongly doubt it.. the 600 is the replacement for the 560.. TPincoming@aol.com wrote: > I'm considering buying a ThinkPad 600, but my ideal machine would be a 560 > with a 13.3" display. (I don't need a cd rom drive, and love the 560 form > factor.) > > Any ideas if IBM is considering such a machine before I spring for a TP 600? > > Thanks in advance for any replies. > > Kevin Arnott -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 00:26:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10438 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22316; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:25:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22175; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22162; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA11074 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 23:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806240425.XAA11074@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:24:55 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Recommend IBM 600 vendor? In-Reply-To: <6d2402b4.35904983@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 05:34 PM 6/23/98 , TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >I'm about ready to bite the bullet on the purchase of an IBM ThinkPad 600. >What's the best place to buy one? I'm leaning toward mail-order. Is there an >honest, inexpensive mail order supplier of units like this that anyone can >recommend? If possible, a place with a liberal or even "no questions asked" >return policy would be great...are there places with this policy for laptops? PC Connection is one of everybody's favorite vendors. I've bought tons of stuff from them over the years. Insight and PC Zone are also fine and reputable. The TP600 was my first purchase from PC Zone. Their price on the PII-266 was about $80 higher than PC Connection, but when I called on April 29, they had one in stock and nobody else did. (In fact, they had six of them. For about 20 minutes... ) The machine arrived as promised the next day. These companies all sell brand new product. If they have refurbished units for sale, they will be listed separately. The only problem you would have is the return policy. As the other fellows discussed, there basically isn't one. It's sometimes possible to do things that aren't in the official policy, but don't figure on the 30-day trial period you're used to on a lot of purchases. The TP600 is a really nice machine, though, and unless it turns out to just be wrong for your needs, you probably won't want to return it. Well, the one thing I can think of would be if you got a display that has more bad pixels than you want but is still considered "in spec." I just crossed my fingers and prayed... And got a very-nearly-zero-defect screen--whew! One blue subpixel lights up incorrectly only when a certain checkerboard pattern is displayed. IOW, it's not "stuck off" or "stuck on", but depends on the neighboring subpixels being in a certain state. It won't even go wrong with any solid color display--gotta have a pattern. An interesting kind of failure, and one that never has a visible effect in normal use. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 00:39:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10611 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23214; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23138; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23126; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dts_jl (user-38h1u9l.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.249.53]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA13060; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980624003021.0095ba30@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:30:21 -0400 To: Bill Morrow From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35907AAB.B55F2A95@icanect.net> References: <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:03 AM 6/24/98 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >i strongly doubt it.. >the 600 is the replacement for the 560.. > For the 560? Ummm... I thought it was the replacement for the 76x. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 00:51:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA10805 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23792; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:50:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23719; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23706; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (246.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.246]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA14073; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359085B2.62274CFB@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:50:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jane Loyless CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? References: <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> <3.0.1.32.19980624003021.0095ba30@pop.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thats what i think too.. but as far as i know, the 560 is finis.. i'll ask someone who should know if you really think this is important.. :-) Jane Loyless wrote: > At 12:03 AM 6/24/98 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >i strongly doubt it.. > >the 600 is the replacement for the 560.. > > > > For the 560? Ummm... I thought it was the replacement for the 76x. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 01:04:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11040 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24437; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:03:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24361; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24349; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA18906; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:03:27 -1000 Message-ID: <000b01bd9f2d$943221a0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Jane Loyless" Cc: Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:04:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Thats what i think too.. >but as far as i know, the 560 is finis.. A couple of months ago I heard an interview with an IBM rep who said they were committed to the 560 through 1999. Of course, "commitment" has a different meaning to some people than it does to others:-) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 01:32:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA11404 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25278; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:31:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25198; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25174; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-400mhz (20715998174.bellatlantic.net [207.159.98.174]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id BAA15262 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980624013005.006da560@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:30:05 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Recommend IBM 600 vendor? In-Reply-To: <004c01bd9f1a$d07f1f40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 04:50 PM 6/23/98 -1000, you wrote: >>I'm about ready to bite the bullet on the purchase of an IBM ThinkPad 600. >>What's the best place to buy one? I'm leaning toward mail-order. Is there an >>honest, inexpensive mail order supplier of units like this that anyone can >>recommend? > >The 'biggies' - Micro Warehouse, CDW, PC Mall, PC Connection, and Insight (I'm probably leaving one or two out) are all so >comparable that you should probably choose by lowest delivered price. > >> If possible, a place with a liberal or even "no questions asked" >>return policy would be great...are there places with this policy for laptops? > > >I've *negotiated* this into Thinkpad purchases, but I believe that (for reasons I've never understood) genuine authorized IBM >dealers tend to *not* have such a policy - sometimes they have official easy-return policies for every manufacturer *except* IBM. >However, I also believe that any of these companies, whatever their official policy, will take your machine back if you have a good, >valid reason for the return. Most shops offer a full refund if the package is unopened. Of course, what are the consistent odds that purchasers will not open their packages? ;) I would recommend NECX, but it seems they suddenly stopped carrying IBM ThinkPads. They carry all the other big name manufacturers, but their IBM selection just literally disappeared overnight from their list. Does anyone have any idea why this happened? In order of preference, I have always used: NECX CDW PC Warehouse Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Voice: 609-293-9426 Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 02:27:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA12245 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27064; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:25:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26977; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.239.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26964; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 02:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x.drift.com ([199.179.174.137]) by mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.01 118 111) with SMTP id <19980624061717.BPFK6590@x.drift.com>; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:17:17 -0500 Message-ID: <002201bd9f36$f624d020$89aeb3c7@x.drift.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Ethernet stopped working after IP change Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:11:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Are you sure your crossed twisted pair cable works between the thinkpad and the desktop? Sometimes ethernet cards have a "link integrity signal" and they won't transmit on a wire without that signal on. This signal is provided by most ether hubs. The solution is to disable the link integrity signal on one or both ether cards. >This is a verbose, tale like presentation of a problem I'm having. I have Aaron Brown. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 10:02:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17158 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16064; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:00:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15919; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15863; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [12.67.0.234] by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980624135923.IXSY5929@[12.67.0.234]> for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:59:23 +0000 Message-ID: <3590E972.4AEC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:56:34 -0400 From: Joe Pohlman X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 10:04:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17192 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15728; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:56:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15537; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15524; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:56:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 8625662D.004CC4EB ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:58:31 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: jeffj@ro.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <8625662D.004C125B.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:57:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Ethernet stopped working after IP change Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Ethernet now goes between the desktop and ThinkPad using one of those 10 Base T cables to directly connect two systems. Jeff, When you say one-of-those, do you mean a special crossover cable? or a normal 10BaseT cable. If you hold the cable ends next to each other and look at the wires, counting from left to right, pins 1 and 2 should swapped, going to 3 and 6 on the other end. Usually: Orange-white, Orange, Green-white, Blue, Blue-white, Green, Brown-white, Brown to Green-white, Green, Orange-white, blue, blue-white, Orange, brown-white, brown; on the other crossed-over end. Rich Chong From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 10:06:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17261 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16480; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:04:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16402; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sophia.pacific.net.sg (sophia.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.81]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16355; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.pacific.net.sg (pop1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.85]) by sophia.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id WAA19737 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:03:48 +0800 (SGT) Received: from acer.myoffice.com (dyn241ppp199.pacific.net.sg [210.24.241.199]) by pop1.pacific.net.sg with SMTP id WAA13863 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:03:39 +0800 (SGT) From: "Zac" To: Subject: VST or CNF Zip? Also PC-Card Slim-line Zip? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:08:22 +0800 Message-ID: <000201bd9f79$8bbcb020$012aa8c0@acer.myoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm considering for getting a Zip Drive for the soon-to-be-mine TP600. I'm so green with envy of my brother's IDE ip, and I want to trash my Parallel version for a long, long time. However, I'm a bit lost with all the VST Zip, NF Zip and the new slim-line PC-Card Zips.... I heard from quite a few people that those Slim-line Zips are than the SCSI Ext Zips! And the Int vST and CNFs are actually than the SCSI Ext ...(Of course anyone of these will blow the parallel version out to the outerspace! ^_^) Please, can anyone shed some light on this? Zachary Soon-2-B-proud owner of TP600. Departed Thinkpads: - 701C (Much missed) - 760EL (Not so much... but still missed...) Other Notebooks: - Libretto 50CT - Digital HiNote Ultra 2000 None will beat a THINKPAD!!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 10:09:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17319 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16938; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:07:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16794; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bugs (bugs.bme.ri.ccf.org [139.137.180.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16781; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby (scooby.bme.ri.ccf.org) by bugs (4.1/5.921208) id AA14538; Wed, 24 Jun 98 10:09:28 EDT Received: from thebrain by scooby (4.1/5.921208) id AA15383; Wed, 24 Jun 98 10:09:27 EDT Sender: latsonl@bme.ri.ccf.org Message-Id: <35910897.41C6@bme.ri.ccf.org> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:09:27 -0400 From: Larry Latson Organization: Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu okay, sorry all, but this is getting rediculous. I've 'unsubscribed' directly to this list and to thinkpad-request and i'm still not off. Is there a list admin who takes care of this stuff? I don't even own a thinkpad :( From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 11:05:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18193 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21304; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:02:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21175; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21162; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22301; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:02:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:02:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: Zac cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: VST or CNF Zip? Also PC-Card Slim-line Zip? In-Reply-To: <000201bd9f79$8bbcb020$012aa8c0@acer.myoffice.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You are correct with what you list... but the differences aren't great. There are some reliability problems with the zip drives. Get the one from the best manufacturer, best warrantee, or most heavy duty... a failed drive will slow you down more than a slow removable... they are substantially more unreliable than any other part of your computer set-up... the vST has been out the longest... the Slim-lines have the most recent technology. Ray Bayles > I heard from quite a few people that those Slim-line Zips are than > the SCSI Ext Zips! And the Int vST and CNFs are actually than the > SCSI Ext ...(Of course anyone of these will blow the parallel version out to > the outerspace! ^_^) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 11:21:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18423 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22496; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:19:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22418; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22406; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-102.usc.edu [128.125.223.102]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA19975; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:19:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:16:36 -0700 To: Bill Morrow From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Cc: TPincoming@aol.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35907AAB.B55F2A95@icanect.net> References: <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:03 PM 6/23/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >Kevin.. >i strongly doubt it.. >the 600 is the replacement for the 560.. I don't see how you can say that. The 560 is a very different machine--significantly lighter, thinner, and for that matter, an inch less in depth. For those who don't care for the CD-ROM drive or quite as big of a screen, the 560 is, IMO, a better choice. I strongly considered a new 560 to replace my busted one, except I *do* want the larger screen & CD-ROM, so the 600 was a better choice for me. If they phase out the 560, rest assured there will be a replacement for it--and its not the 600, which is a "lightweight modular" machine--not an ultralight. But to answer the question...no, I don't think the 560 will get a 13.3" screen. Why? Because the screen size itself forces the machine to be deeper by about an inch. Now perhaps whatever someday replaces the 560 will have a larger screen, and they'll be able to use that extra inch of depth to make the machine otherwise even thinner (1" or a little less? Hard to do and still maintain a quality keyboard--the HP Sojourn at 0.75" has a *terrible* keyboard). But that's certain to be a whole new machine, not likely to be called a 560--that is, unless they start labeling these things like cars ("The all new 1999 ThinkPad 560!"). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 11:30:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18552 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23227; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23124; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23112; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ts9port16.port.net (ts9port16.port.net [207.38.252.16]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA04103; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:28:36 -0400 (EDT) From: rpritz@interport.net (richard) To: Randal Whittle Cc: Bill Morrow , TPincoming@aol.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:28:38 -0400 Message-ID: <359e1a8e.147243649@mail.interport.net> References: <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:16:36 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > If they phase out the 560, rest assured there will be a replacement for >it--and its not the 600, which is a "lightweight modular" machine--not an >ultralight. > > But to answer the question...no, I don't think the 560 will get a 13.3" >screen. Why? Because the screen size itself forces the machine to be >deeper by about an inch. Will there be a Thinkpad weighing much less than 5 lbs which has a 13.3"? If one will be available in the not too distant future, I'd want one. Otherwise, I'd probably get a 600. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 11:49:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA18870 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24414; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:47:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24307; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24253; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:46:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199806241546.LAA24253@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:44:52 -0400 To: penzance@icanect.net, rwhittle@usa.net Cc: TPincoming@aol.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:35:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have been using a OmniBook with a 12.1" XGA TFT screen and if the 560 had that resolution on its 12.1" screen I'd buy it in a heart beat. The only reason I would get a larger screen would be for greater resolution, 1200x1028 or whatever. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Author: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] at Jax-Exchange Date: 6/24/98 11:16 AM At 09:03 PM 6/23/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >Kevin.. >i strongly doubt it.. >the 600 is the replacement for the 560.. I don't see how you can say that. The 560 is a very different machine--significantly lighter, thinner, and for that matter, an inch less in depth. For those who don't care for the CD-ROM drive or quite as big of a screen, the 560 is, IMO, a better choice. I strongly considered a new 560 to replace my busted one, except I *do* want the larger screen & CD-ROM, so the 600 was a better choice for me. If they phase out the 560, rest assured there will be a replacement for it--and its not the 600, which is a "lightweight modular" machine--not an ultralight. But to answer the question...no, I don't think the 560 will get a 13.3" screen. Why? Because the screen size itself forces the machine to be deeper by about an inch. Now perhaps whatever someday replaces the 560 will have a larger screen, and they'll be able to use that extra inch of depth to make the machine otherwise even thinner (1" or a little less? Hard to do and still maintain a quality keyboard--the HP Sojourn at 0.75" has a *terrible* keyboard). But that's certain to be a whole new machine, not likely to be called a 560--that is, unless they start labeling these things like cars ("The all new 1999 ThinkPad 560!"). ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 12:45:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA19845 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27353; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:36:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27175; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27131; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 12:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.168]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA16954; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:36:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01bd9f8e$58ba03c0$a8769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Bill Morrow" , "Randal Whittle" Cc: , Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:36:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I don't see how you can say that. The 560 is a very different >machine--significantly lighter, thinner, and for that matter, an inch less >in depth. The ThinkPad 600 is around 1/4 inch thicker than the 560. In effect, the 600 is a 560 with a CD and 13" screen. There are very slight dimension increases all around. If you want a slim, light ThinkPad with a 13" screen the 600 is it. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 13:31:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20653 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00486; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:30:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00395; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00362; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 13:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYLY7B7WDS9I4QK9@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:30:06 MST Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:25:44 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: VST or CNF Zip? Also PC-Card Slim-line Zip? In-reply-to: "Message dated Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:02:08 -0600 (MDT)" Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYM0V8WD7S9I4QK9@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <000201bd9f79$8bbcb020$012aa8c0@acer.myoffice.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > There are some reliability problems with the zip drives. According to CNBC the Iomega CEO had to resign after he made a decision to use some less expensive (mechanical?) components in the Zip drive, which resulted in the "clunk of death" apparently more than a few users of them have encountered. What I'd like to know is if perhaps the newer drives made to go inside Thinkpads are built any better...? Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 16:47:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24777 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10336; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:40:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09995; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09977; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:40:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CHNUa17153 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <141373ce.359163da@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:38:49 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I have been using a OmniBook with a 12.1" XGA TFT screen and if the 560 > had that resolution on its 12.1" screen I'd buy it in a heart beat. Boy, I would too. That, in fact, would be my ideal machine. The extra resolution is what's important to me, not the extra inch in diagonal size. (Well, I guess I'd also like additional area too, but not at the cost of extra thickness, another pound of weight, or, with CD player installed, a pound and a half.) I was surprised that IBM didn't give the 560X an XGA screen to begin with. Any bets they will with a new 560? A 560Y? :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 17:50:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26021 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14201; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:48:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14103; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14071; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806242148.RAA14071@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 4568 invoked from network); 24 Jun 1998 21:48:26 -0000 Received: from du164-242.ppp.algonet.se (HELO default) (195.100.242.164) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 24 Jun 1998 21:48:26 -0000 Reply-To: From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Helena_S=F6derholm?=" To: Subject: tv tuner ? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:45:32 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Everybody ! I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally used in either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: FRU P/N 66G6681 ASM P/N 59G3731 I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to be no possibility to search on the part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number 66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the other model (first part no.s) supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some models. What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they match any of the above? Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datacheets? Thanks for any tip Peter Soderholm From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 18:42:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27034 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16397; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:41:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16293; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16281; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-075.usc.edu [128.125.223.75]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id PAA07879; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:27:38 -0700 To: rpritz@interport.net (richard) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Cc: Bill Morrow , TPincoming@aol.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <359e1a8e.147243649@mail.interport.net> References: <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:28 AM 6/24/98 , richard wrote: >> But to answer the question...no, I don't think the 560 will get a 13.3" >>screen. Why? Because the screen size itself forces the machine to be >>deeper by about an inch. > >Will there be a Thinkpad weighing much less than 5 lbs which has a 13.3"? > >If one will be available in the not too distant future, I'd want one. >Otherwise, I'd probably get a 600. Nobody can say for sure, but I'm *pretty* sure you won't see it. The 600 is probably your best choice then, if you're stuck on getting that bigger/higher-res screen. And stripped to its "plug" (nothing in the bay but an insert), the 600 is 4.9 lbs. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 20:08:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28571 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19575; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:07:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19448; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19436; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from computername ([12.68.2.103]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980625000628.EJHI9929@computername>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:06:28 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , Subject: Re: tv tuner ? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:01:43 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <19980625000628.EJHI9929@computername> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DOES NOT work on the 760ED Period End of discussion ---------- > From: Helena S=F6derholm > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: tv tuner ? > Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 5:45 PM >=20 > Hello Everybody ! >=20 > I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally used > in > either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: > FRU P/N 66G6681 > ASM P/N 59G3731 >=20 > I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to be no > possibility to search on the=20 > part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the > tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number > 66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the other > model (first part no.s) > supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. >=20 > I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some models. > What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they match > any of the above? > Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datacheet= s? >=20 > Thanks for any tip > Peter Soderholm From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 20:13:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA28613 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19894; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:12:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19818; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1e.yahoomail.com (send1e.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19806; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980625001137.1675.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> Received: from [193.214.22.49] by send1e; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:11:37 PDT Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Azad Hessamodini Reply-To: azadh@bigfoot.com Subject: unsubscribe To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 21:02:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29439 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21359; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:01:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21252; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21240; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 173.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.114.173]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980625010048.IPUJ24858@173.chicago-10.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:00:48 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:00:57 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-ID: <3592a135.23837929@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> <1c1b8ced.35905508@aol.com> <199806241519.IAA19975@almaak.usc.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:27:38 -0700, you wrote: > Nobody can say for sure, but I'm *pretty* sure you won't see it. The 600 >is probably your best choice then, if you're stuck on getting that >bigger/higher-res screen. And stripped to its "plug" (nothing in the bay >but an insert), the 600 is 4.9 lbs. I don't know about viewing the 600 as a substitute. It seems like a good machine, but it's *not* the 560. That .8 lbs matters to me, as does having the speakers on the wrist-rest where they can be covered. If the only choice for my next subnotebook was the IBM 600, odds are I'd end up getting a Sony 505 with P266 MMX or similar . I hope IBM doesn't decide that the 600 addresses the subnotebook market, which I think has always cared more about weight and performances rather than extra features. Nothings been announced about dropping the line, though, so we're all just speculating. I'd like to see the 560 at least get a Pentium II model before any other changes were made, myself. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 21:05:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29536 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21711; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:04:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21590; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21575; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYMGIWE41S9I4T6M@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:04:18 MST Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:00:11 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: tv tuner ? In-reply-to: "message dated Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:45:32 +0200" <199806242148.RAA14071@CS.UTK.EDU> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYMGQDIZGW9I4T6M@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > 66G3689 This is definitely the NTSC tuner for the 755 (among others) - I have one of these in mine. In its manual it says in the specs Color System NTSC and makes no mention of PAL or any other standard. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 21:17:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29676 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22493; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:15:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22402; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22390; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA14030 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id SAA28548; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tv tuner ? In-Reply-To: <19980625000628.EJHI9929@computername> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Also only works in SOME 360s On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > DOES NOT work on the 760ED > Period > End of discussion > > I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally > > used in either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 23:16:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01670 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25881; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:13:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25719; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resudox.net (root@resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25707; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.rogers.wave.ca (pc-15568.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.93.105]) by resudox.net (8.8.5/8.7.3/resudox) with SMTP id WAA22159 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:13:58 -0400 Message-ID: <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> From: "Philip Hogarth" To: Subject: 770 and win 98 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:13:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. I'm thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. I've been to the ThinkPad site but there's nothing showing regarding 98, patches, FAQ's or otherwise. Anyone done a shift from 95 to 98? Any problems? Sorry if this is being asked about for the 10th time. Thanks for your help in advance. Philip Hogarth Partner Director, Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We Build digITal Brands Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 ext. 204 Toronto: 416-363-7938 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Jun 24 23:27:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA01854 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26275; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:21:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26200; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26188; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 23:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a1.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.1]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA10620; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:20:57 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806250320.UAA10620@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 20:26:00 -0700 To: "Philip Hogarth" , In-Reply-To: <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Subject: Re: 770 and win 98 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca>, on 06/24/98 at 11:13 PM, "Philip Hogarth" said: >I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. >I'm thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. I've been to the >ThinkPad site but there's nothing showing regarding 98, patches, >FAQ's or otherwise. Been following the 770 vs Win98 debate in the Thinkpad forums. It looks like we will have to wait about a month after the release for drivers, help files, FAQs, etc. to be produced by IBM. >Anyone done a shift from 95 to 98? Any problems? Not yet. I'm sitting on the sidelines and just might go straight for NT4.0. >Sorry if this is being asked about for the 10th time. Thanks for >your help in advance. Not yet. I think you are the second or third person to ask about this. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 01:12:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03393 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29854; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:09:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29728; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29712; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:09:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CVBKa08111 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:09:05 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> Nobody can say for sure, but I'm *pretty* sure you won't see it. The 600 >> is probably your best choice then, if you're stuck on getting that >> bigger/higher-res screen. And stripped to its "plug" (nothing in the bay >> but an insert), the 600 is 4.9 lbs. > I don't know about viewing the 600 as a substitute. It seems like a > good machine, but it's *not* the 560. That .8 lbs matters to me, as > does having the speakers on the wrist-rest where they can be covered. > If the only choice for my next subnotebook was the IBM 600, odds are > I'd end up getting a Sony 505 with P266 MMX or similar . I hope IBM > doesn't decide that the 600 addresses the subnotebook market....(snip) I can't believe that IBM's been sitting there for months watching the advent of the Pedion and the 505 in Japan and thinking, "doesn't matter -- the 560 is as cool a subnotebook as Americans need." It just doesn't jibe with what they've been doing in the notebook market the last few years: always being either in the lead (or within spitting distance of it) in most notebook categories. Standing pat with the 560 is tantamount to surrendering leadership in this market segment, and that's not what they've stood for until now. They MUST be working like mad on their take of the new subnotebook. What it'll look like is anyone's guess. It might be the size of a Sojourn, it might have a screen aspect ratio like a Portege, but you can be sure it'll have a trackpoint, a best-of-class keyboard and longer battery life. Further, I'd bet we'll hear this machine announced inside of sixty days. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 01:52:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03921 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01055; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:51:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00943; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00931; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (136.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.136]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA25357; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3591E597.F5649479@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 01:52:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MAILER-DAEMON@cs.utk.edu CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tv tuner ? References: <199806242148.RAA14071@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Helena.. TV Tuner works only on the 750 and 755 machines.. it is NOT PAL, only NTSC.. i have one and it produces a washed out picture on a 750C machine.. Helena S=F6derholm wrote: > Hello Everybody ! > > I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally u= sed > in > either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: > FRU P/N 66G6681 > ASM P/N 59G3731 > > I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to be= no > possibility to search on the > part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the > tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number > 66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the ot= her > model (first part no.s) > supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. > > I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some models. > What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they ma= tch > any of the above? > Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datacheet= s? > > Thanks for any tip > Peter Soderholm -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 04:19:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA06087 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05211; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:16:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05052; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net [206.141.239.142]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04840; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x.drift.com ([199.179.164.79]) by mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net (InterMail v03.02.01 118 111) with SMTP id <19980625080747.EILS6590@x.drift.com>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002601bda00f$a3e3a280$4fa4b3c7@x.drift.com> Reply-To: "Aaron W. Brown" From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Re: tv tuner ? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 03:02:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Helena, I think there is only one IBM TV Tuner part. Mine says "750 TV Tuner pack". It works great in my 755CD TFT. It only uses NTSC. The part numbers on it are the same as you stated: FRU P/N 66G6681 AS= M P/N 59G3731 I have the manual. It doesn't state machine compatability, but here is w= hat I've learned from this list. The TV tuner is compatibile with 360, 750, 755 with exceptions. Someone = on this list said earlier a 755CX will not work because a CX has 800x600 vid= eo. Patrick said only some 360 laptops work. Bill says a 750C won't work. I believe it is correct to say the requirements for a Thinkpad and TV Tun= er compatibility are: 1. TFT (color) screen (dual scan won't work, too slow) 2. 640x480 screen. (larger screens are not compatible) Note: I'm not as sure on the next two, but given the tv tuner uses VGA pa= ss through: 3. WD90C24 video chipset (does a 755CX use a WD90C24?) 4. VESA local bus video? (I guess ISA video could pass too) Anyone? Are there Thinkpads that are exceptions to this? Why won't a 750C work? This compatibilty question seems to come up alot probably because IBM has few references to the TV tuner on it's website. If we get to the bottom = of this we can add it to the FAQ ;) Aaron Brown. Bill Morrow said: >Helena.. >TV Tuner works only on the 750 and 755 machines.. >it is NOT PAL, only NTSC.. >i have one and it produces a washed out picture on a 750C machine.. Helena S=F6derholm wrote: > Hello Everybody ! > > I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally u= sed > in > either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: > FRU P/N 66G6681 > ASM P/N 59G3731 > > I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to be= no > possibility to search on the > part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the > tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number > 66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the ot= her > model (first part no.s) > supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. > > I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some models. > What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they ma= tch > any of the above? > Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datacheet= s? > > Thanks for any tip > Peter Soderholm From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 04:27:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA06182 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05590; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05497; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05480; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA24852; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:24:41 -1000 Message-ID: <003501bda012$d9cd2e40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:25:42 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Some whose name we don't know but has the eaddress TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >I can't believe that IBM's been sitting there for months watching the advent >of the Pedion and the 505 in Japan and thinking, "doesn't matter -- the 560 is >as cool a subnotebook as Americans need." > [...snip...] >Further, I'd bet we'll hear this machine announced inside of sixty days. There is no reason to believe that IBM will try to emulate either of these machines just because they are better than the 560 or the 600 in some aspects. IBM has a notion of which are the economically important market niches, and makes machines that fit them. They certainly have a better track record in this than Sony - who has been trying unsuccessfully to build a PC presence in the US market for almost 20 years - and HP, which has always had a solid, loyal customer base but never a market share to rival IBM, Toshiba, or Compaq. HP has for years made subnotebooks that were smaller, more powerful, and in many ways niftier than the IBM subnotes - viz, the 600/800 series. However, IBM never went after the niche represented by these machines. (Their closest, the 701, was substantially bigger and heavier and somewhat slower than the HP600.) I don't think the 560 will be dropped (eg, in favor of the 600) before IBM has a 4 pound replacement; however, I personally think this replacement won't come for at least a year, and as likely as not will just be a lighter version of the 600. (I'm fairly sure that what we *won't* see is a smaller machine with an ultra high resolution screen - an important fraction of subnote sales are to middle and upper management, most of whom are people over 40, the average age for the onset of presbyopia.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 04:37:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA06322 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05987; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:34:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05866; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantic-ocean.carlson-marketing.co.uk (mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk [193.130.232.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05854; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mailhost.carlson-marketing.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:31:47 +0100 Message-ID: <311CC21C7ECCD011AC5000805FFE210C672120@DANUBE> From: "Murray, Pete" To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:35:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At the Comdex show last year IBM previewed a working prototype labelled "Stingray" which was 17mm thin, a spokesman suggested that this would evolve into a 24mm replacement for the 560, he didn't mention screen size. I am also in the same situation as I have a 560 which I want to replace with a bigger higher res screen, I have reached the conclusion that I will probably buy a 770 as to be honest I only carry my laptop from my office to the car to the house. Pete Murray(Project Manager, Carlson Loyalty Systems) Office - 0044 (0)1604 884493, Mobile - 0044 (0)7050 257018 pmurray@carlson-marketing.co.uk From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 06:09:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA07317 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12592; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:03:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12468; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (devil.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.214]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12444; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (michey@localhost) by devil.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA30866; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:59:37 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: devil.prz.tu-berlin.de: michey owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:59:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: "Aaron W. Brown" cc: Bill Morrow , THINKPAD Subject: Re: tv tuner ? In-Reply-To: <002601bda00f$a3e3a280$4fa4b3c7@x.drift.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Aaron W. Brown wrote: | 1. TFT (color) screen (dual scan won't work, too slow) | 2. 640x480 screen. (larger screens are not compatible) | | Note: I'm not as sure on the next two, but given the tv tuner uses VGA pass | through: | 3. WD90C24 video chipset (does a 755CX use a WD90C24?) At least the 800x600 does use a WD90C24, I think revision 'a'. | 4. VESA local bus video? (I guess ISA video could pass too) Regards, Michael -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 06:15:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA07368 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12933; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:09:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12765; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12753; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:08:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA15029; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA09853; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525662E.003836A6 ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:14:00 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: "Philip Hogarth" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <8525662E.00383582.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:08:45 -0400 Subject: Re: 770 and win 98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been running it for awhile with good results, especially battery life. Lasts almost 45 minutes more. Also, very stable. -Bill "Philip Hogarth" on 06/24/98 11:13:01 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: 770 and win 98 I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. I'm thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. I've been to the ThinkPad site but there's nothing showing regarding 98, patches, FAQ's or otherwise. Anyone done a shift from 95 to 98? Any problems? Sorry if this is being asked about for the 10th time. Thanks for your help in advance. Philip Hogarth Partner Director, Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We Build digITal Brands Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 ext. 204 Toronto: 416-363-7938 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 07:56:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08369 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15206; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15111; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15099; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.136.112]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980625115455.WNN10815@760>; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:54:55 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , "Bill Morrow" Cc: Subject: Re: tv tuner ? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:51:02 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-Id: <19980625115455.WNN10815@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 750C WILL work. Been there, done that ---------- From: Aaron W. Brown To: Bill Morrow Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tv tuner ? Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:02 AM Helena, I think there is only one IBM TV Tuner part. Mine says "750 TV Tuner pack". It works great in my 755CD TFT. It only uses NTSC. The part numbers on it are the same as you stated: FRU P/N 66G6681 AS= M P/N 59G3731 I have the manual. It doesn't state machine compatability, but here is what I've learned from this list. The TV tuner is compatibile with 360, 750, 755 with exceptions. Someone = on this list said earlier a 755CX will not work because a CX has 800x600 video. Patrick said only some 360 laptops work. Bill says a 750C won't work. I believe it is correct to say the requirements for a Thinkpad and TV Tun= er compatibility are: 1. TFT (color) screen (dual scan won't work, too slow) 2. 640x480 screen. (larger screens are not compatible) Note: I'm not as sure on the next two, but given the tv tuner uses VGA pa= ss through: 3. WD90C24 video chipset (does a 755CX use a WD90C24?) 4. VESA local bus video? (I guess ISA video could pass too) Anyone? Are there Thinkpads that are exceptions to this? Why won't a 750C work? This compatibilty question seems to come up alot probably because IBM has few references to the TV tuner on it's website. If we get to the bottom = of this we can add it to the FAQ ;) Aaron Brown. Bill Morrow said: >Helena.. >TV Tuner works only on the 750 and 755 machines.. >it is NOT PAL, only NTSC.. >i have one and it produces a washed out picture on a 750C machine.. Helena S=F6derholm wrote: > Hello Everybody ! > > I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally used > in > either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: > FRU P/N 66G6681 > ASM P/N 59G3731 > > I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to be no > possibility to search on the > part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the > tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number > 66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the other > model (first part no.s) > supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. > > I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some models. > What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they match > any of the above? > Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datacheet= s? > > Thanks for any tip > Peter Soderholm ---------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 09:28:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA09539 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20377; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:26:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20264; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20251; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA14210 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:25:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx11-34.ix.netcom.com(207.94.124.162) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma014194; Thu Jun 25 08:25:42 1998 Received: (from me@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA16902 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:25:40 -0500 (CDT) From: McCann Message-Id: <199806251325.IAA16902@ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 08:25:36 -0500 To: Thinkpad Digest Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Reply-To: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com References: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm hoping that IBM does try to better the 560 with a larger screen and better built-in sound. We have an ageing Versa that I'm ready to replace, but weight/thickness is a big issue and while the 600 has just about everything, it is still a too heavy for our needs. --- Please respond as needed to: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com NeXTMail preferred/MIME welcome From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 11:07:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA10857 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26366; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:06:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:04:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26209; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26197; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-134.usc.edu [128.125.223.134]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id IAA08327; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806251501.IAA08327@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:42:31 -0700 To: "David Ross" From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Cc: , In-Reply-To: <003501bda012$d9cd2e40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:25 AM 6/25/98 , David Ross wrote: >There is no reason to believe that IBM will try to emulate either of these machines just because they are better than the 560 or the >600 in some aspects. > >IBM has a notion of which are the economically important market niches, and makes machines that fit them. >that what we *won't* see is a smaller machine with an ultra high resolution screen - an important fraction of subnote sales are to >middle and upper management, most of whom are people over 40, the average age for the onset of presbyopia.) One final item: There *is* such a thing as *too* thin. One of the ThinkPad hallmarks has been quality, typeable keyboards. As HP's Sojourn shows us, that's virtually impossible to have in a 3/4" thick machine. It may be that IBM isn't willing to market a machine that nobody wants to type with. Just because it looks really "cool" doesn't mean people will buy it. It can look great and yet be unusable. And regardless of how cool it appears to be, it can be a complete failure in the market. I suspect that after the initial fascination with machines like the Sojourn wears off, it will be left to the HP boneyard like so many other machines they've made. HP really makes innovative stuff, but oftentimes its just not what people really want. And regardless of how thin & light this machine is, I think people still want to be able to *type* on the darn thing, and not with little "popping" Chiclet keys. ------- Randal J. Whittle whittle@usc.edu (213) 740-7775 Director, Electronic Commerce Program Marshall School of Business, University of Southern California From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 12:35:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12325 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01437; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:32:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01185; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [209.157.64.210]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01168; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rss@localhost) by idiom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id JAA27001 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Richard S. Smith" Message-Id: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Subject: Win95 Keys? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi. Just got a few 560X's into my office (got roped into handling laptop purchases for my dept), and everything looks good except for one point. I was wondering why there are no Microsoft keys on the keyboard. I'm referring to the two "Window" keys and the one "Menu" key. I know IBM and MS aren't cozy anymore, but is there a way to emulate these keys using the available keys on the keyboard? I really like being able to keep the taskbar "hidden" beneath the program window and bring it up using the Window key. My apologies if this question is in the docs, but I couldn't find it. Thanks. -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard S. Smith / rss@idiom.com / http://www.idiom.com/~rss | | Progress DBMS Stuff: http://www.idiom.com/~rss/progress.html | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 12:43:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12492 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01996; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:42:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01915; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01901; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (199.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA21302; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35927DEA.A99F3B23@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:42:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz CC: "Aaron W. Brown" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tv tuner ? References: <19980625115455.WNN10815@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce.. i said it will work in 750 and 755 machines.. my error was i forgot about= the 360 machines.. we BOTH know this includes 750, 750C, 750Cs, 755, 755C, 755Cs, 755CE, 755= CD, and so on.. remember when we had that discussion whether it would work in a 760 serie= s.. i said yes because the hardware manual i have INDICATES that it does, sin= ce the tuner is in the option list for the 760 series, but in reality it does no= t work in the 760 series.. mine produces a crappy picture and i wasted $200 on it some time ago and = if some fool wants one, make an offer, and i'll happily send it to them... (= pay in advance or COD, cash) long and short of this whole thing is that TV Tuner belongs in a ThinkPad museum only.. there must be PCMCIA card tv tuners now that are WAY better than this old example of silliness.. :-) Bruce Markowitz wrote: > 750C WILL work. Been there, done that > > ---------- > From: Aaron W. Brown > To: Bill Morrow > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: tv tuner ? > Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 4:02 AM > > Helena, > I think there is only one IBM TV Tuner part. Mine says "750 TV Tuner > pack". It works great in my 755CD TFT. It only uses NTSC. The part > numbers on it are the same as you stated: FRU P/N 66G6681 = ASM > P/N 59G3731 > I have the manual. It doesn't state machine compatability, but here is > what > I've learned from this list. > > The TV tuner is compatibile with 360, 750, 755 with exceptions. Someon= e on > this list said earlier a 755CX will not work because a CX has 800x600 > video. > Patrick said only some 360 laptops work. Bill says a 750C won't work. > > I believe it is correct to say the requirements for a Thinkpad and TV T= uner > compatibility are: > > 1. TFT (color) screen (dual scan won't work, too slow) > 2. 640x480 screen. (larger screens are not compatible) > > Note: I'm not as sure on the next two, but given the tv tuner uses VGA = pass > through: > 3. WD90C24 video chipset (does a 755CX use a WD90C24?) > 4. VESA local bus video? (I guess ISA video could pass too) > > Anyone? Are there Thinkpads that are exceptions to this? Why won't = a > 750C work? > This compatibilty question seems to come up alot probably because IBM h= as > few references to the TV tuner on it's website. If we get to the botto= m of > this we can add it to the FAQ ;) > > Aaron Brown. > > Bill Morrow said: > >Helena.. > >TV Tuner works only on the 750 and 755 machines.. > >it is NOT PAL, only NTSC.. > >i have one and it produces a washed out picture on a 750C machine.. > > Helena S=F6derholm wrote: > > > Hello Everybody ! > > > > I have gotten hold of someone who wants to sell a tv-tuner originally > used > > in > > either a Thinkpad 360 750 or 755. The part number is: > > FRU P/N 66G6681 > > ASM P/N 59G3731 > > > > I've tried to find the specs on the IBM homepages but there seem to = be > no > > possibility to search on the > > part numbers. It does appear that this is not the part number for the > > tv-tuner in the 750 model. It has number > > 66g3689 according to some page. What I really need to know is if the > other > > model (first part no.s) > > supports PAL and if it can be used in the Thinkpad 760ED. > > > > I recall that some of you on the list used the tv tuner on some model= s. > > What is the part number on the model tv tuner that you use? Do they > match > > any of the above? > > Are anyone using it on the 760 ED ? (or the 755). Any manuals/datache= ets? > > > > Thanks for any tip > > Peter Soderholm > > ---------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 12:53:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12650 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02735; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:51:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02638; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02609; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20238 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:51:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806251651.LAA20238@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:50:50 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-Reply-To: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:32 AM 6/25/98 , Richard S. Smith wrote: >Hi. Just got a few 560X's into my office (got roped into handling >laptop purchases for my dept), and everything looks good except for >one point. > >I was wondering why there are no Microsoft keys on the keyboard. I'm >referring to the two "Window" keys and the one "Menu" key. I know IBM >and MS aren't cozy anymore, but is there a way to emulate these keys >using the available keys on the keyboard? I really like being able to >keep the taskbar "hidden" beneath the program window and bring it up >using the Window key. You'll have to ask IBM why they keep leaving out the Windows keys. You can duplicate the effect of these two keys on *any* PC keyboard. (The functions they provide came along well before any keyboard had the special keys on it, so naturally they had to provide the same functions with available keystrokes.) To open the Start menu (same as the Windows key), use Ctrl+Esc. To open a context menu (same as the Menu key), use Shift+F10. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 12:59:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12689 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03295; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:57:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03200; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03167; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (199.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.199]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA26278; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359281C0.696088D@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:58:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Richard S. Smith" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? References: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Richard.. have no idea why IBM is not jumping to Mr. Gates tune and modifing the keyboards on ThinkPads to suit Mr. Gates desire.. (we all know, Mr. Gates COULD buy IBM if he were so disposed) BUT, given that the keys do not exist, you CAN remap keys.. there is a small applet that will let you do this.. whether it will work for the win95 keys, i do not now know, but i feel sure, someone will pop in with the mechanics.. it all comes down to what the code is that is sent to the computer.. stay tuned to this station for more, after this brief message.. :-) Richard S. Smith wrote: > Hi. Just got a few 560X's into my office (got roped into handling > laptop purchases for my dept), and everything looks good except for > one point. > > I was wondering why there are no Microsoft keys on the keyboard. I'm > referring to the two "Window" keys and the one "Menu" key. I know IBM > and MS aren't cozy anymore, but is there a way to emulate these keys > using the available keys on the keyboard? I really like being able to > keep the taskbar "hidden" beneath the program window and bring it up > using the Window key. > > My apologies if this question is in the docs, but I couldn't find it. > > Thanks. > > -- > +--------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Richard S. Smith / rss@idiom.com / http://www.idiom.com/~rss | > | Progress DBMS Stuff: http://www.idiom.com/~rss/progress.html | > +--------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 13:09:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12905 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04884; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:05:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04554; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pony-2.mail.digex.net (pony-2.mail.digex.net [204.91.241.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04522; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by pony-2.mail.digex.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA10605 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle by mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25021; Thu, 25 Jun 98 13:07:34 EDT Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA17651 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:07:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-Reply-To: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well, not to be argumentative, but just to show that this isn't a one sided issue, I despise that Win95 key. I tend to be a little sloppy with the control and alt keys (hey, that's why they're nice a big like the shift key - so you can be sloppy with them). When I'm typing full speed on keyboards with the Win95 key, I end up hitting it instead of the control key from time to time. It's like the thing was designed precisely to annoy those of us who live and breathe emacs. :-) Does anybody know how to turn it off? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 13:12:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12942 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05345; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:10:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05197; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05176; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22822 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:10:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806251710.MAA22822@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:10:10 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-Reply-To: <359281C0.696088D@icanect.net> References: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:58 AM 6/25/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >have no idea why IBM is not jumping to Mr. Gates tune and modifing the >keyboards on ThinkPads to suit Mr. Gates desire.. >(we all know, Mr. Gates COULD buy IBM if he were so disposed) You would be badly mistaken to assume it's only BillG who wants the Windows keys on keyboards. I like having them very much, as do many Windows users. To me, their absence is one of the two truly weak points about ThinkPad keyboards. (The other weak point is the poor quality of the mouse button switches. Lexmark makes these things, don't they? I have five of their desktop TrackPoint keyboards, and it's kind of stunning to have the superb Lexmark keyboard itself combined with crummy mouse buttons. The ThinkPad buttons are better, but they just don't have a clean "snap" action like so many other mouse buttons.) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 14:03:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13701 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10514; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:00:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10397; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10378; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA10986 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:00:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (pcp098640pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.40]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10965 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:00:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980625135234.00a873c0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:52:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-Reply-To: <199806251651.LAA20238@rgate.ricochet.net> References: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:50 AM 6/25/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >At 09:32 AM 6/25/98 , Richard S. Smith wrote: > >>I was wondering why there are no Microsoft keys on the keyboard. I'm >>referring to the two "Window" keys and the one "Menu" key. >> > >You'll have to ask IBM why they keep leaving out the Windows keys. > Frankly, I hope IBM continues leaving them out. There's only so much room on a notebook keyboard, and I'd rather not have them reduce the size of other keys to make room for these. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 14:12:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA13837 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11499; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:10:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11397; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11385; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1trd.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.247.109]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04309 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101bda064$262b7d40$6df710d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" To: Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:07:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. It is a very attractive feature on my 310ED. BTW, does anyone else on this list have the 310ED? mark -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 1:01 PM Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? >At 09:50 AM 6/25/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: > >>At 09:32 AM 6/25/98 , Richard S. Smith wrote: >> >>>I was wondering why there are no Microsoft keys on the keyboard. I'm >>>referring to the two "Window" keys and the one "Menu" key. >>> >> >>You'll have to ask IBM why they keep leaving out the Windows keys. >> > >Frankly, I hope IBM continues leaving them out. There's only so much room >on a notebook keyboard, and I'd rather not have them reduce the size of >other keys to make room for these. > >Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 14:26:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14085 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12646; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:24:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12559; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp5.site1.csi.com (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12546; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:24:01 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (midtown-dnnqq-031.compuserve.net [209.154.72.31] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-4.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id OAA06566; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:18:42 -0400 To: "Richard S. Smith" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:32 AM 6/25/98 -0700, Richard S. Smith wrote: >I was wondering why there are no Microsoft keys on the keyboard. >I'm referring to the two "Window" keys and the one "Menu" key. Assuming that the reason you want these has to do with running Windows 95, then you want to check out the Power Toys and Kernel Toys, downloadable >from the Microsoft Web site. One of them includes a tool that hooks into your keyboard configuration settings and allows to you manipulate several keys. Using it, I've made Right-Alt the Windows key and Right-Ctrl the Menu key. Also, I've used it to swap Left-Ctrl with CapsLock. Cool stuff! -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 14:28:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14129 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12986; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:27:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12803; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12770; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.168]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA17209; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01bda066$f5f93420$a8769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:27:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I agree with Mike. Is there any macro facility that can be used to simulate these keys? More specifically the single keystroke I find myself missing the most is Windows-E to open an Explorer. Any way I can transparently assign that to F9 for example? David >You would be badly mistaken to assume it's only BillG who wants the Windows >keys on keyboards. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 14:32:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14171 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13517; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13336; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.50.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13303; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pioneer2.gsfc.nasa.gov (dhelfrich2.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.212.122]) by wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.5/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA23485; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980625133847.006cfac4@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov> X-Sender: helfrich@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:38:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Daniel Helfrich Subject: [TP600] Is the built-in modem just like the 770's Cc: stscott@pop400.gsfc.nasa.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just read in a thinkpad discussion about a person having disconnect problems with the built-in modem on the Thinkpad 770, and then another person's recommendation to get a PC Card modem to replace it. As I am about to buy a TP600 system, I'd like to know if the TP600 modem could have the same problems and if so, what are my options for combo cards for my 10-Base-T installation. TIA! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel D. Helfrich, Landsat 7 Mechanical Systems Engineer, Landsat Project NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, Maryland, USA 20771 phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 14:43:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14384 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14476; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:42:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14395; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14382; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYNHEGOFGW9I4ZQX@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:42:05 MST Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:35:42 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: tv tuner ? In-reply-to: "Message dated Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:42:18 -0400" <35927DEA.A99F3B23@icanect.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYNHNUK6RS9I4ZQX@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 References: <19980625115455.WNN10815@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > mine produces a crappy picture and i wasted $200 on it some time ago One thing's for sure - you have to be dead on axis with the screen for the best results and moving just slightly makes far more of a noticable difference than the very same movement with the computer display on the screen. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 15:26:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15703 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17321; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:23:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17190; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17177; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10233 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806251924.OAA10233@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:23:20 -0700 To: From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-Reply-To: <000c01bda066$f5f93420$a8769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:27 AM 6/25/98 , David W. Taylor wrote: >More specifically the single keystroke I find myself missing the most is >Windows-E to open an Explorer. Any way I can transparently assign that to F9 >for example? Go to the Windows Explorer shortcut in your Start menu and open its properties. You can assign a shortcut key there. (Just click in that field and type the key combination you want.) Rummage around the Start menu and you can set up hotkeys for all your favorite apps. I'd be lost without them. I wouldn't recommend F9 for a Windows software developer, though. You'd launch Explorer every time you time you try to set a breakpoint. Most of the hot keys I've wanted to use interfere with some app or another. (They override applications' own keys, usually.) I've had reasonable luck with Ctrl-Alt-letter combinations, and that makes it easy to remember: Ctrl-Alt-E for Explorer, Ctrl-Alt-I for Info Select, Ctrl-Alt-M for Mail (Eudora, but I already used E ), etc. Depending on the app, the hotkey will either open a new instance or switch you to an instance that's already running. In fact, I recall when I installed IE4, my Explorer hotkey's behavior changed: if I'd already opened an Explorer window with Ctrl-Alt-E, another Ctrl-Alt-E would switch to it. Now it opens a new Explorer window. I haven't investigated why... Since it's the shortcut that holds the hotkey information, you can assign a hotkey to a document or a Web site just as well as an app. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 16:33:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16972 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22270; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:29:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21986; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21974; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw5-47.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.174]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22278 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806252029.NAA22278@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:29:31 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: 770 modem question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, I'm using a new 770ED (128Mb, VST ZIP) with its internal modem. When I connect to my ISP via dial-up, the "Connected to" info in the task bar shows I'm connected at 115,200 bps...which is obviously wrong. The connection works fine, but why isn't the correct connection speed displayed?? I assume I'm looking at the speed of the serial port (115,200 bps) and not the actual connection speed. I can't find any info in IBM's manuals or on their web site. Comments? Thanks. --sandy sandy@sandy.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 16:51:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17356 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25587; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:47:52 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25319; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA10121; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18468; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id HAA21274; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3592481E.EF577044@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 25 Jun 1998 12:52:02 UT Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:52:46 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Hogarth CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 and win 98 References: <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I upgraded one of the disks I have for my 770 (9548-30U) from Win98 beta3 to the released version a couple of weeks ago. I don't use it as my main O/S, so I don't have a lot of experience with it, but I can tell you that the installation went fine and all features/functionality seem to work. All of the IBM drivers for Win95 seemed to work just fine with Win98. I think Win98 has some nice new features, but it's certainly not a huge change from Win95 with IE 4.0. If you buy a new PC or have a recent PC that needs Win98's hardware support then go ahead and get Win98. I don't think it's worth the $90 to just upgrade an existing PC that doesn't have USB, etc. Don't look for companies to start upgrading anytime soon. There's so little benefit and they incur the extra costs of supporting a new platform that most will avoid it for a long while. HTH, Rob Philip Hogarth wrote: > > I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. I'm > thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. I've been to the ThinkPad site > but there's nothing showing regarding 98, patches, FAQ's or otherwise. > > Anyone done a shift from 95 to 98? Any problems? > > Sorry if this is being asked about for the 10th time. Thanks for your help > in advance. > > Philip Hogarth -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rbell1@csc.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 17:38:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18484 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28218; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:36:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28062; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [209.157.64.210]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28049; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rss@localhost) by idiom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id OAA14622; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980625143543.15725@idiom.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:35:43 -0700 From: "Richard S. Smith" To: John Kim Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? References: <199806251632.JAA27001@idiom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: ; from John Kim on Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 01:07:37PM -0400 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu kim@mak.com (John Kim) wrote: > Well, not to be argumentative, but just to show that this isn't > a one sided issue, I despise that Win95 key. I tend to be a > little sloppy with the control and alt keys (hey, that's why > they're nice a big like the shift key - so you can be sloppy > with them). When I'm typing full speed on keyboards with the > Win95 key, I end up hitting it instead of the control key from > time to time. It's like the thing was designed precisely to > annoy those of us who live and breathe emacs. :-) For what it's worth, I use emacs under Linux at home, and I have the Win95 keys bound into Emacs functions. It's not hard to do and quite handy, IMHO. > Does anybody know how to turn it off? If you mean you want to "unbind" the keys under X-Windows, that's hard to do and entirely dependent on what X server you're using. It's also off-topic for this list. But if you email me I'll see if I can help. ;-) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard S. Smith / rss@idiom.com / http://www.idiom.com/~rss | | Progress DBMS Stuff: http://www.idiom.com/~rss/progress.html | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 18:10:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19148 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29615; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:08:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29528; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29515; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 222.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.222]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980625220749.JVVZ6357@222.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:07:49 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:07:57 GMT Organization: http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown Reply-To: epbrown@enteract.com Message-ID: <3592c931.681851@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:18:42 -0400, you wrote: >Assuming that the reason you want these has to do with running Windows 95, >then you want to check out the Power Toys and Kernel Toys, downloadable >from the Microsoft Web site. One of them includes a tool that hooks into >your keyboard configuration settings and allows to you manipulate several >keys. Using it, I've made Right-Alt the Windows key and Right-Ctrl the Menu >key. Also, I've used it to swap Left-Ctrl with CapsLock. > I've done similar, but I rarely used the menu key so mapped my right-hand Control Key to be the Windows key. Also, since the question is pretty much a FAQ among laptop owners, I have a copy of the applet >from Microsoft on my ftp site. It's only 21k and adds a tab to your keyboard.cpl in Control Panel. Personally, I like IBM not including the key, as it only takes up space when using other Operating Systems, something the other manufacturers seem to have forgotten exists sometimes. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 18:32:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19435 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00604; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:31:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00523; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00511; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA03492; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:31:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806252231.RAA03492@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:30:52 -0700 To: epbrown@enteract.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-Reply-To: <3592c931.681851@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:07 PM 6/25/98 , Emanuel Brown wrote: >. . . > I've done similar, but I rarely used the menu key so mapped my >right-hand Control Key to be the Windows key. Also, since the question >is pretty much a FAQ among laptop owners, I have a copy of the applet >from Microsoft on my ftp site. It's only 21k and adds a tab to your >keyboard.cpl in Control Panel. Personally, I like IBM not including >the key, as it only takes up space when using other Operating Systems, >something the other manufacturers seem to have forgotten exists >sometimes. I was looking for something just like this. I rarely use the right-hand Ctrl and Alt keys, and remapping them would be great. Is the applet for Win95 only or NT4 as well? -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 19:59:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA20606 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03665; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:57:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03544; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03531; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (163.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.163]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA12035 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3592E42B.925F2032@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:58:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: New BIOS support for Win98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu New BIOS's have been posted to the IBM web site.. also other new updates.. if you are updating to win98, then you should get the new bios.. http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/483e.html -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 21:35:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21937 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07133; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:34:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07029; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07016; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYNVRA3DHS9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:34:27 MST Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:27:42 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? In-reply-to: "Message dated Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:07:57 +0000 (GMT)" <3592c931.681851@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I've done similar, but I rarely used the menu key so mapped my > right-hand Control Key to be the Windows key. All this reminded me of something I've looked for but can't find. Has anyone seen a telnet program or term emulator that can get at the Fn key on the Thinkpad keyboard? I'd love to be able to map that to something else.. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 21:57:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA22240 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08306; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:55:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08223; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (genepool@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08210; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id SAA07801; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? To: billy@MIX.COM cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 billy@MIX.COM wrote: > All this reminded me of something I've looked for but can't find. > Has anyone seen a telnet program or term emulator that can get at > the Fn key on the Thinkpad keyboard? I'd love to be able to map > that to something else.. I can't say that it will work for this purpose, but we started evaluating an emulator program called Koala Term a couple of days ago and it has some key mapping capability. I think the single copy price was $35. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 22:02:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22324 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08816; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:01:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08711; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08699; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (user-37kbors.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.227.124]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27038; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806260200.WAA27038@camel14.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:00:31 -0400 To: "Philip Hogarth" From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: 770 and win 98 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The initial success may depend on the age of the 770 operating software. I installed Windows98 over a Windows 95 setup, created from the recovery CD. Everything worked, except the machine wouldn't go into suspend. To get it to work, I had to upgrade the UltraBay driver from IBM's Web Site, then it was all OK. I then upgraded all the other drivers and utilities, which added a couple of features, but nothing significant. My suggested path, after a couple of false starts, is as follows: 1- Reinstall the Factory setup from the recovery CD 2- Upgrade all the appropriate drivers and utilities from IBM web site. (I don't see any use for the "Windows95 Supplemental Files" disk) 3- Install Windows 98 as an upgrade over this setup. Advantages: Better power management and battery life, fewer crashes. has FAT32 converter included (please note that if you convert to FAT32, you cannot do a reinstall from the recovery CD without deleting all partitions first) Disadvantages: Takes a LONG time to come out of Suspend. Richard At 11:13 PM 6/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. I'm >thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. I've been to the ThinkPad site >but there's nothing showing regarding 98, patches, FAQ's or otherwise. > >Anyone done a shift from 95 to 98? Any problems? > >Sorry if this is being asked about for the 10th time. Thanks for your help >in advance. > > >Philip Hogarth >Partner >Director, Web Services >digIT Interactive Inc. > >hogarth@digit.ca > >We Build digITal Brands >Experience our results at www.digit.ca >Ottawa: 613-729-0515 ext. 204 >Toronto: 416-363-7938 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Jun 25 22:11:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22463 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09354; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:09:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09270; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skyhawk.asahi-net.or.jp (skyhawk.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.32.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09252; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xc3p-peat (ppp134019.asahi-net.or.jp [202.213.134.19]) by skyhawk.asahi-net.or.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with SMTP id LAA79376 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:09:40 +0900 Message-ID: <001501bda0a7$321a2a00$1386d5ca@xc3p-peat> From: "Tokyo DTS" To: Subject: unsubscribe kisoo@leland.stanford.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:02:44 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe kisoo@leland.stanford.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 00:20:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA24153 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14964; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14823; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14811; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA16778; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <359320D7.64E9B90A@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:17:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: billy@MIX.COM CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? References: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu there is a key remap applet on the ziff d/l page.. i have it here someplace.. works great for moving the damn caps lock key elsewhere.. :-) billy@MIX.COM wrote: > > I've done similar, but I rarely used the menu key so mapped my > > right-hand Control Key to be the Windows key. > > All this reminded me of something I've looked for but can't find. > Has anyone seen a telnet program or term emulator that can get at > the Fn key on the Thinkpad keyboard? I'd love to be able to map > that to something else.. > > Billy Y.. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 01:46:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA25382 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16924; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:44:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16842; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16804; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA01185; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35933578.12C8F518@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:45:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 modem question... References: <199806252029.NAA22278@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sandy.. i was told that there is a setting somewhere within win95 that will change this to the more or less true connect speed.. it is a win95 thing, not a thinkpad thing.. on two desktops, side by side, one shows 31,200bps (obviously the connect speed) the the other 115200 bps (probably the "serial port" connect speed).. Sandy Meltzer wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm using a new 770ED (128Mb, VST ZIP) with its internal modem. When I > connect to my ISP via dial-up, the "Connected to" info in the task bar > shows I'm connected at 115,200 bps...which is obviously wrong. The > connection works fine, but why isn't the correct connection speed > displayed?? > > I assume I'm looking at the speed of the serial port (115,200 bps) and not > the actual connection speed. I can't find any info in IBM's manuals or on > their web site. Comments? Thanks. > > --sandy > sandy@sandy.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 02:06:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25751 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17538; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:05:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17458; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from send1b.yahoomail.com (send1b.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.23]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17445; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 02:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19980626060517.25929.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Received: from [193.214.22.49] by send1b; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:05:17 PDT Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:05:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Azad Hessamodini Reply-To: azadh@bigfoot.com Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe azad_h@yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 03:37:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA26627 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20635; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:35:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20546; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [209.157.64.210]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20534; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 03:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rss@localhost) by idiom.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id AAA24839; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <19980626003537.05377@idiom.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:35:37 -0700 From: "Richard S. Smith" To: billy@MIX.COM Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? References: <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3592c931.681851@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM>; from billy@MIX.COM on Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 06:27:42PM -0700 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu billy@MIX.COM (billy@MIX.COM) wrote: > All this reminded me of something I've looked for but can't find. > Has anyone seen a telnet program or term emulator that can get at > the Fn key on the Thinkpad keyboard? I'd love to be able to map > that to something else.. Take a look at Kermit95. I haven't got my copy onto my TP600 yet but it's the most robust program of it's kind (drop-in replacement for both telnet client and modem-based dialup with all sorts of emulation options as well as a login server for both 95 and NT). It's not free but it's still a deal at $54, and the money Columbia makes goes back into R&D on the Unix version. ;-) http://www.columbia.edu/kermit -- +--------------------------------------------------------------+ | Richard S. Smith / rss@idiom.com / http://www.idiom.com/~rss | | Progress DBMS Stuff: http://www.idiom.com/~rss/progress.html | +--------------------------------------------------------------+ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 09:32:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA29959 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07172; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06576; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU (mailhub.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06560; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from saga15.Stanford.EDU (saga15.Stanford.EDU [171.64.15.145]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with SMTP id GAA14181 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Piglet Sender: kisoo@leland.Stanford.EDU To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Please unsubscribe me Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sorry, but I lost the directions for unsubscribing and I really need to unsub. Please unusb me. Thanks. -- Expect great things from God. Attempt great things for God. (William Carey) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 10:08:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00394 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10653; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10465; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10443; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial5.waterw.com (dial5.waterw.com [209.107.20.20]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA01970 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806261404.KAA01970@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:09:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 770 modem question... Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199806252029.NAA22278@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On 25 Jun 98 at 13:29, Sandy Meltzer wrote: > I'm using a new 770ED (128Mb, VST ZIP) with its internal modem. When I > connect to my ISP via dial-up, the "Connected to" info in the task bar shows > I'm connected at 115,200 bps...which is obviously wrong. The connection > works fine, but why isn't the correct connection speed displayed?? The 115.2K connection speed indication is not an error but an accurate report of the connection speed between you and your ISP based on the hardware or software compression capability of your modem. Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:06:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01170 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13999; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:01:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13836; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13824; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1tl8.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.246.168]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01465 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bda112$e6f2d880$a8f610d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" To: Subject: Re: 770 modem question... Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:58:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Actually, it is a report of the speed between your serial port and your modem. you'd have a mighty fast modem that could connect to your ISP at 115200. hood The 115.2K connection speed indication is not an error but an accurate report of the connection speed between you and your ISP based on the hardware or software compression capability of your modem. Regards, James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:24:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01441 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14725; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:09:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14371; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14352; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18707; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:09:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:09:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: Sandy Meltzer cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 modem question... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Connecting speed and communications speed are two different things. Watch the numbers change when you send mail or download. You are connecting to your ISP at as high as 115,200, but your communications will move back and forth between 9,600 and 28,800 or 31,200 or 34,000 and almost never faster than that even if you have a 56K. If you use a specific communications software other than Windows or Netscape, you will see a better representation of what actually is going on. I have generally found IBM modems to be a bit slower than advertised and slower than their competition in side by side tests... the worst of the bunch is the MWave 28,800 modem for the 760 series From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:31:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01595 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15780; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:26:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15478; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15460; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04824 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:26:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806261526.KAA04824@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:26:14 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 770 modem question... In-Reply-To: <35933578.12C8F518@icanect.net> References: <199806252029.NAA22278@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:45 PM 6/25/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >Sandy.. >i was told that there is a setting somewhere within win95 that will change >this to the more or less true connect speed.. >it is a win95 thing, not a thinkpad thing.. >on two desktops, side by side, one shows 31,200bps (obviously the connect >speed) the the other 115200 bps (probably the "serial port" connect speed).. It's in the Modems control panel, for both Win95 and NT. Select the ThinkPad modem and open its Properties. Click Connection, then Advanced, and in the "extra settings" field put "atw1" (without the quotes). Now you will get the line speed, not the port speed. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:36:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01668 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15942; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:27:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15578; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15557; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA04910 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:27:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806261527.KAA04910@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:27:00 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 770 modem question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu p.s. I'm using a TP600, but the modem command should be the same for the 770. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:39:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01703 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16655; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:36:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16289; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16270; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1sf0.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.241.224]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01691 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bda117$cf4ea740$e0f110d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" Cc: Subject: Re: 770 modem question... (fwd) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:33:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is the MWave modem a software (HSP) modem? Does it slow down your system any? I had a software modem in one of my macintoshes, and it was a hog. mark -----Original Message----- From: Raybay To: Sandy Meltzer Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 10:11 AM Subject: Re: 770 modem question... (fwd) > >I have generally found IBM modems to be a bit slower than advertised >and slower than their competition in side by side tests... the >worst of the bunch is the MWave 28,800 modem for the 760 series > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:49:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01899 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17364; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:46:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17113; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17076; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:17:22 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (midtown-dnnqz-055.compuserve.net [209.154.81.55] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id LAA15498; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980626111553.0081fcb0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:15:53 -0400 To: "Richard S. Smith" From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Cc: billy@MIX.COM, Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: <19980626003537.05377@idiom.com> References: <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3592c931.681851@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:35 AM 6/26/98 -0700, Richard S. Smith wrote to the ThinkPad List: >Take a look at Kermit95. I would like to echo this recommendation. I've been using Kermit for years, on PCs of various kinds and various UNIX systems. There are versions of Kermit for just about any kind of computer you can think of, including quite a few that have not been manufactured in many years. Great stuff! In fact, I did a rapid development for Harley-Davidson's 95th Anniversary bash a couple of weeks ago. I used Kermit-95 to handle the dialing and reconnections between the base system and half a dozen mobile systems. Without Kermit-95 and its powerful scripting language, I doubt that I'd have been able to get things going in time. It is certain that it would not have been as robust. BTW, for that project, I had to purchase several copies of Kermit-95 so as to be fully licensed. With the end of the H-D celebration, I have about half a dozen shrink-wrapped copies of Kermit-95 beyond the number I have immediate use for. (I'll buy more for the next project that needs them.) They each include the program, Kermit-95 manual (now in HTML with patch to version 1.1.17), "Using C-Kermit" book, serial number, and registration card. They are all at version 1.1.15, and can be upgraded to 1.1.17 via simple downloadable patch. (The patch is a bit too large to fit on a floppy, or I'd throw it in, too.) I'll sell each for the $54 list price, but I'll pay the shipping, if I have your check first (USA shipments only). Email me if you are interested. First come, first served. While supplies last. Void where prohibited by law. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNZO7BeukCaFXG1W9AQHa4wgAlDOuN4nHi7QzXkd0ImLC67pVys8j3cUT LOUA2CzocyR8dEb+NL7+DlPgySw2/wc2agEA56caoLsi8YMpDHE/u9Y91rr/Yox9 szZfaE+yKo8h59CdRQY2GJEq1AUTKcOsVDC7YzAJtJoxUqKd+GhpL/ZDqok7Iqhq QwFleLqoqyD6DmXn/uDtKrfWIrqZ46KWSQwLQ2QoVD6gPFBfvdFcX8P3wtH5xOFz BbR1j8a1o0QPW/QQx4+RfOzYT3urbjPLiit3mHIiX59bkajBdgpvuDCUdzyWn4XA CLJgdpdUL5LJeqWCFsCgaa81Mt2H4v124fWCqbzRgRnmUR+3kAzttg== =FQH+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 11:55:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01955 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17505; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:46:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17174; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17078; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:17:22 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (midtown-dnnqz-055.compuserve.net [209.154.81.55] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id LAA15410; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980626105852.0081a5b0@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:58:52 -0400 To: billy@MIX.COM From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01IYNW32W26E9I55BJ@Opus1.COM> References: <"Message dated Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:07:57 +0000 (GMT)" <3592c931.681851@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> <3.0.5.32.19980625141842.00827510@popmail.mcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:27 PM 6/25/98 -0700, billy@MIX.COM wrote: >All this reminded me of something I've looked for but can't find. >Has anyone seen a telnet program or term emulator that can get at >the Fn key on the Thinkpad keyboard? I'd love to be able to map >that to something else.. The reason you have not been able to find a program that can get at the Fn key is because that key is "special". It does not go through the same mechanisms that normal keys do. -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 12:29:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02514 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20048; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:25:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19804; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (smtp4.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19776; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:25:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from relay2.server.ibm.com (relay2.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.99]) by smtp4.ny.us.ibm.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17494 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:15:41 -0400 Received: from d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com (d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com [9.165.215.20]) by relay2.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA107934 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:19:53 -0400 Received: from DE.IBM.COM (d12lms02.emea.ibm.com [9.165.215.19]) by d12lmsrelay.emea.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA11646 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:26:37 GMT Received: by DE.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 3.0) with snapi via D12AU010 id 5120020009876555; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:28:18 +0000 To: Subject: Jan Erik Hoel/Norway/IBM is out of the office. Message-ID: <5120020009876555000002L252*@MHS> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:28:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu =0AI am out of the office from 25.06.98, returning 13.07.98. You will = receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time = I will respond. Hei! Jeg er p=E5 ferie og vil v=E6re tilbake p=E5 IBM mandag 13. juli. God sommer!= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 12:31:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02542 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20280; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:27:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19944; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19909; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.1-9 #9830) id <01IYOO3ER39S9I57DR@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:27:00 MST Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:21:23 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: 770 modem question... (fwd) In-reply-to: "Message dated Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:33:45 -0500" <000e01bda117$cf4ea740$e0f110d1@mehood.mindspring.com> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01IYOR8PMA7Y9I57DR@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Is the MWave modem a software (HSP) modem? Does it slow down your system > any? I had a software modem in one of my macintoshes, and it was a hog. It has its own DSP to run it, but it has to read in files and overlays via the same disk your data are on, so there are times (like the first ringing of the bell or making any other sound) where it has to load in another piece of software and that can take a few seconds (about 3 on my 755) - not too bad but it puts a definite hole in the response time. There is/was a class action lawsuit against IBM regarding Mwave (non-) performance, the ones in Thinkpads seem to do a lot better though. Billy Y.. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 13:36:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA03532 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23882; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:32:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23673; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23653; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CIDIa06638 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:31:55 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Ron, So you didn't bill Harley-Davidson already for this software? Do they know you're selling them? Who did you register them to? ____________________________________________________________________ Ron Heiby wrote to the ThinkPad List: I would like to echo this recommendation. I've been using Kermit for years, on PCs of various kinds and various UNIX systems. There are versions of Kermit for just about any kind of computer you can think of, including quite a few that have not been manufactured in many years. Great stuff! In fact, I did a rapid development for Harley-Davidson's 95th Anniversary bash a couple of weeks ago. I used Kermit-95 to handle the dialing and reconnections between the base system and half a dozen mobile systems. Without Kermit-95 and its powerful scripting language, I doubt that I'd have been able to get things going in time. It is certain that it would not have been as robust. BTW, for that project, I had to purchase several copies of Kermit-95 so as to be fully licensed. With the end of the H-D celebration, I have about half a dozen shrink-wrapped copies of Kermit-95 beyond the number I have immediate use for. (I'll buy more for the next project that needs them.) They each include the program, Kermit-95 manual (now in HTML with patch to version 1.1.17), "Using C-Kermit" book, serial number, and registration card. They are all at version 1.1.15, and can be upgraded to 1.1.17 via simple downloadable patch. (The patch is a bit too large to fit on a floppy, or I'd throw it in, too.) I'll sell each for the $54 list price, but I'll pay the shipping, if I have your check first (USA shipments only). Email me if you are interested. First come, first served. While supplies last. Void where prohibited by law. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 14:35:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04546 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27304; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:27:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27051; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20910; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12848 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:36:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806261636.LAA12848@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 09:35:32 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 770 modem question... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For some reason, I don't see my reply about this in the list, although I *do* see a not-too-informative p.s. I sent later. Apologies if this is a duplicate, but better safe than sorry... At 10:45 PM 6/25/98 , Bill Morrow wrote: >Sandy.. >i was told that there is a setting somewhere within win95 that will change >this to the more or less true connect speed.. >it is a win95 thing, not a thinkpad thing.. >on two desktops, side by side, one shows 31,200bps (obviously the connect >speed) the the other 115200 bps (probably the "serial port" connect speed).. It's in the Modems control panel, for both Win95 and NT. Select the ThinkPad modem and open its Properties. Click Connection, then Advanced, and in the "extra settings" field put "atw1" (without the quotes). Now you will get the line speed, not the port speed. I use this setting on a TP600, and I think it should be the same for the 770. BTW, one or two messages suggested that your modem does in some fashion connect to the ISP at 115,200. That isn't correct--the modem and ISP's modem negotiate their best connection speed, and that's what the ATW1 command displays. (The speed will also get negotiated up and down during the connection--this just reports the initial speed.) The 115,200 rate that you see when you don't use ATW1 is just the port rate between the serial port and the modem, that's all. (If it's a software or part-software modem, there may not really *be* a serial port, and talk about "port rate" may be just smoke and mirrors, but this is how it works if you have a physical modem connected to a physical serial port, and for software compatibility that's what they'd be emulating.) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 14:54:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04808 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28817; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28711; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from claven.fanshawec.on.ca (Claven.fanshawec.on.ca [192.139.219.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28699; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from claven.fanshawec.on.ca ([198.96.18.49]) by claven.fanshawec.on.ca with SMTP; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3593EEC9.16C1509@claven.fanshawec.on.ca> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:56:10 -0400 From: Peter Meeuwis Organization: Fanshawe College X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 15:07:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA04993 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29408; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:00:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29323; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29310; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA16950; Fri, 26 Jun 98 14:59:59 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3593EFA6.961A25F7@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:59:51 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 modem question... References: <199806261636.LAA12848@rgate.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I believe that if you run the ThinkPad Modem program (under the ThinkPad Modem program group of course), it displays the *current* connection speed. This means that you can watch the speed go up and down in response to line conditions. This is much more useful than initial connect speed. With x2 in particular, the initial speed might be like 48k, but it can easily come down to 33.6k or even less. I saw this behavior on a TP600, but I would expect the TP770 to be virtually identical. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 15:09:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05021 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29883; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:05:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29785; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29770; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw3-63.ncal.verio.com [207.21.129.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA08239; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806261904.MAA08239@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:04:54 -0700 To: Michael Geary From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: Re: 770 modem question... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199806261636.LAA12848@rgate.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 09:35 AM 6/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >It's in the Modems control panel, for both Win95 and NT. Select the >ThinkPad modem and open its Properties. Click Connection, then Advanced, >and in the "extra settings" field put "atw1" (without the quotes). > >Now you will get the line speed, not the port speed. > >I use this setting on a TP600, and I think it should be the same for the 770. Thanks Michael...your suggestion worked fine on my 770ED. I can now see my actual connect speed instead of the serial port to modem speed. One interesting thing I've noted so far is that my highest connect speed (local POP) with my 770ED is 33600...while my wife's Compaq notebook with 56k pcmcia modem connects at 48000 or better using the same phone line and ISP. Seems the software modem does run more slowly compared to a hardware modem. :( Thanks again for the good info Michael. Best Regards, --sandy sandy@sandy.com KW6KW From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 15:23:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05190 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01561; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01430; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01415; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CEOMa19316 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e515096.3593f466@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:20:00 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Where's Jan Erik Hoel? He doesn't return my calls. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is he out of the office or what? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 15:29:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05343 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02172; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:27:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02041; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02020; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA06101 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:27:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806261927.OAA06101@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:23:23 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 770 modem question... In-Reply-To: <199806261904.MAA08239@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> References: <199806261636.LAA12848@rgate.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 12:04 PM 6/26/98 , Sandy Meltzer wrote: >Thanks Michael...your suggestion worked fine on my 770ED. I can now see my >actual connect speed instead of the serial port to modem speed. You're welcome, Sandy. Glad to hear it works on the 770ED as well. >One interesting thing I've noted so far is that my highest connect speed >(local POP) with my 770ED is 33600...while my wife's Compaq notebook with >56k pcmcia modem connects at 48000 or better using the same phone line and >ISP. Seems the software modem does run more slowly compared to a hardware >modem. :( You didn't mention... * Does your ISP use x2 or K56Flex modems? * Is your wife's 56K modem an x2 or K56Flex modem? The ThinkPad's modem is x2, so if your ISP is K56Flex you won't get better than 33.6 because of the incompatible protocols. When everybody upgrades to the new V.90 standard this issue will hopefully go away. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 15:32:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05364 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02312; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:27:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02137; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02100; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:27:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CMQKa27698 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <714bac4a.3593f604@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:26:57 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > David A. Ross writes: > There is no reason to believe that IBM will try to emulate either of these > machines just because they are better than the 560 or the > 600 in some aspects. Well, there's not "no" reason if they're admittedly better in some aspects. Especially considering that "weight" and "size" are two of those "aspects." You might not think they're important in a subnotebook. Horses for courses. > IBM has a notion of which are the economically important market niches, and > makes machines that fit them. They had a notion the PC Jr. would work. They bet the farm on Microchannel, a disaster which enabled Mssrs. Dell & Wiatt to move out of their parents' garages. They also thought it wasn't "economically important" to own the OS. Heck, even a Harvard dropout wouldn't make THAT mistake. :-) I'm sure you can think of other examples. > I don't think the 560 will be dropped (eg, in favor of the 600) before IBM > has a 4 pound replacement; however, I personally think > this replacement won't come for at least a year, If IBM doesn't replace the 560 for another year, it's abandoned this market niche. > and as likely as not will > just be a lighter version of the 600. Destroy the 600 form factor one year after its big launch? Why? To create a SuperUltraSkinnySlimBay? Come on. Not going to happen. > (I'm fairly sure that what we *won't* see > is a smaller machine with an > ultra high resolution screen Maybe not, but everyone else is going SVGA at 10.4" screen sizes, not 12.1". I don't see how IBM can keep pushing a lower pixel density and stay in the game. Look at how XGA projectors are obliterating their SVGA competition, even in spite of the poorer brightness of the XGA units. > - an important fraction of subnote sales are to middle and > upper management, most of whom are people over 40, > the average age for the onset of presbyopia.) I've always considered the presbyopia argument specious, in light of the easy enlargement of display fonts in Windows. "DOS! Linux!", you reply. But no: aging management types, outside of the guys who keep the LAN up, don't know how to run anything but Windows. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 15:42:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05490 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03187; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:39:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03054; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03036; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 15:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:46:25 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (hd16-062.hil.compuserve.com [206.175.207.62]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id OAA01546; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980626144412.007f7730@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:44:12 -0400 To: From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:31 PM 6/26/98 EDT, TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >So you didn't bill Harley-Davidson already for this software? No, we did not. Since they had no use for the software after their 10-day event, I did not force them to buy it. I probably could have, but chose not to. I figured that I could find someone else who could use them, or could save them to use on a future project. >Do they know you're selling them? I do not think that they either know or care. The notebook systems I was installing on were Compaqs, so they probably do not follow the ThinkPad mailing list. Since they never bought the licenses, it really isn't any of their concern. Actually, unless you are interested in buying one or more of them, and are just trying to be sure that they are "unencumbered", it isn't any of your concern, either. >Who did you register them to? They have not been registered. The packages are still sealed in their original shrink wrap with all materials still sealed inside. I bought enough copies to have licenses for the installations that were in use for the ten days. However, the actual bits on the systems were copies of the single install that I configured for their application. Now that the application is finished and H-D assured me that the software would be erased from the systems, I am at liberty to transfer those licenses to someone who can make more immediate use of them. In this case, those licenses also include the full, shrink-wrapped, distribution package. I discussed what I planned to do with the Kermit folks, and received their blessing. I hope that this has satisfied your need to know that these are legal copies, and will be looking forward to receiving direct Email from you so we can arrange payment and shipping. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 Comment: My Keys: 0x571B55BD and 0x628ECED, available from keyservers iQEVAwUBNZPrteukCaFXG1W9AQHKIAf/axs9wtQu7//bydsbs5FaKYZ+5XdCljDk tdCXjgCG6Rg+u99hyw6gS+clKHqq2jYKNkLuuQ+5rqt5HA/tMHzEY2vLFe59Bj/N nI1Kk1IW44uYw2w+fF08Xc/u1RRO9RbphxBJJN3Q3705zjgWICEvjrDg20c2HgFC gq6UvhfRTchp9GcbgoIvhYaD+ZH1S8/AjGR22XnMi0bDy9KdAeYWPpWCk4VbzXwF 3G4yLAGYIiOgy3wmg2zotZQ2GxlNtek6eIjeBsXQXF6b6mrlImm1/9Fw/40wucrl EoxCaY7RDP4ViuVtCa56nvOK+xE6nhRmG02IbbRxcroOn2rt/FD0ig== =Qty1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 17:31:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07188 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08441; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:19:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08104; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08091; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18455; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 16:20:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806262120.QAA18455@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 14:19:25 -0700 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 770 modem question... In-Reply-To: <199806261404.KAA01970@water.waterw.com> References: <199806252029.NAA22278@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >On 25 Jun 98 at 13:29, Sandy Meltzer wrote: >> I'm using a new 770ED (128Mb, VST ZIP) with its internal modem. When I >> connect to my ISP via dial-up, the "Connected to" info in the task bar shows >> I'm connected at 115,200 bps...which is obviously wrong. The connection >> works fine, but why isn't the correct connection speed displayed?? At 08:09 AM 6/26/98 , James H. E. Maugham wrote: >The 115.2K connection speed indication is not an error but an accurate report >of the connection speed between you and your ISP based on the hardware or >software compression capability of your modem. No, it's not reporting the connection rate between the modem and the ISP. The 115,200 rate it reports is the speed the serial port is talking to the modem; it's unrelated to the actual connection rate. The ATW1 command I posted earlier causes the modem to report the actual line rate in the connect message. When you use that command, you'll see a much lower rate, reflecting your actual connection speed (at least the initial speed--you can use the ThinkPad Modem program to view the actual speed as at changes up and down during the connection). -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 17:52:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA07422 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09685; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:49:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09534; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09520; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02988; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:49:14 -1000 Message-ID: <005201bda14c$69b507a0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:50:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Well, there's not "no" reason if they're admittedly better in some aspects. >Especially considering that "weight" and "size" are two of those "aspects." Maybe I should have said "little". HP has had tiny 3.5 pound machines around for years, and IBM made no move to copy this. They clearly decided that their standards of usability were more important than size and weight specs. >They had a notion the PC Jr. would work. They bet the farm on Microchannel PC Jr. and Microchannel both made money for IBM, however much they look in hindsight as a wrong move. (Actually, microchannel was only a mistake commercially, not technically.) Anyway, I don't understand your point. Few companies have never made mistakes. I simply said that IBM has a substantially better track record than HP and Sony (both of which are companies I respect, BTW), and is unlikely to use them for role models. >If IBM doesn't replace the 560 for another year, it's abandoned this market >niche. As Randal pointed out, the current crop of competitive ultralights are ergonomically inferior to IBM. I believe this will be the case for at least another year. Even if competition specs out better, if people actually try the machines before they buy them they will buy the IBM. >Destroy the 600 form factor one year after its big launch? No, I think they'll find a way to keep the form factor but make it lighter (via choice of materials and components). Not that I currently have any idea of how that would actually happen - however, the 560 lost weight between its 1st and 2nd incarnations, so anything is possible. >I've always considered the presbyopia argument specious, in light of the easy >enlargement of display fonts in Windows. This "easy enlargement" works better on paper than in practice. Even in a fully-windows-compliant program like Word97, it takes a certain amount of monkeying with defaults so that if you just boot it up to crank out a quick memo, you don't get tiny, hard-to-read text. Most people - especially the non-tech-savvy - want to install and run their software, without too much tweaking. Maybe if NT5 has a button for resolution-halving all programs, then this will be less of a factor. Look, I'm not saying there's not a niche for the sort of machine you want, I just don't think IBM has given any historical indication that it is a niche they are interested in, and they *have* given an indication (in interviews) that they intend to continue the 560 through 1999. If I remember your first post on this thread correctly, you currently own neither a 560 or a 600. My suggestion is to sit down and actually try these machines, as well as the Sony and the HP. Then buy whichever one fits *you* best. They are all fine machines. I think this will give you a better chance of getting the ideal machine for you than waiting for IBM to produce to your specs! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 21:52:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA10501 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22758; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22650; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22638; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip129-37-250-195 (slip129-37-250-195.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.250.195]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA107414 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:50:25 GMT Message-ID: <35944FD9.A0E@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:50:17 -0400 From: "Lawrence J. Schipper" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad User Subject: unsubcribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Jun 26 22:13:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10702 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23911; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:11:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23829; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23817; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CDRVa22301 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:11:09 +2000 (EDT) Message-ID: <4aef0e20.359454bf@aol.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:11:09 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 98-06-26 17:51:27 EDT, ross@math.hawaii.edu writes: > Maybe I should have said "little". HP has had tiny 3.5 pound machines > around for years, and IBM made no move to copy this. They > clearly decided that their standards of usability were more important than > size and weight specs. I agree. > >They had a notion the PC Jr. would work. They bet the farm on Microchannel > > PC Jr. and Microchannel both made money for IBM, however much they look in > hindsight as a wrong move. (Actually, microchannel was > only a mistake commercially, not technically.) Anyway, I don't understand > your point. Few companies have never made mistakes. PC Jr. made money? This seems hard to imagine. I'll take your word for it re: microchannel. But my point was simply that you can't infer that since IBM makes most decisions right, that they make all of them that way. But you don't seem to be saying this anyway. > As Randal pointed out, the current crop of competitive ultralights are > ergonomically inferior to IBM. I agree here too -- my hope is that IBM will find a way close *part* of the gap in terms of size and weight, without compromising the keyboard & ergonomics that they're rightfully praised for. I think machines like the Sojourn are just so much technical strutting -- who *cares* how small it is, if you wind up with a keyboard you swear at? Besides, if I wanted machine downsized into uselessness, I'd buy a Windows CE machine and put the rest in the bank. :-) > >Destroy the 600 form factor one year after its big launch? > > No, I think they'll find a way to keep the form factor but make it lighter ( > via choice of materials and components). Not that I > currently have any idea of how that would actually happen - however, the 560 > lost weight between its 1st and 2nd incarnations, so > anything is possible. It would be interesting to see if they move to magnesium cases. And the fact that the bay can't accept a second battery is unacceptable in this price range. > >I've always considered the presbyopia argument > >specious, in light of the easy > >enlargement of display fonts in Windows. > > This "easy enlargement" works better on paper than in practice. Well, sure. But *everything* about Windows works better on paper. Paper doesn't *crash*. :-) It does work, though, and it would be nice to have the choice of more data on- screen, or the same amount of data rendered at higher resolution. This seems to be a win either way. > Look, I'm not saying there's not a niche for the sort of machine > you want, I just don't think IBM has given any historical > indication that it is a niche they are interested in, and they *have* given > an indication (in interviews) that they intend to > continue the 560 through 1999. Well...here's hoping they're lying. :-) Seriously, a resolution bump and further weight reduction in the 560 would almost give me my dream machine. Throw in a bit of a reduction in depth, widen the screen aspect ratio a little (along the lines of the Portege, but keeping the full 3mm travel/19mm key spacing) ...switch to magnesium to save a few millimeters of height, garnish & serve! > If I remember your first post on this thread correctly, you currently own > neither a 560 or a 600. My suggestion is to sit down and > actually try these machines, as well as the Sony and the HP. Then buy > whichever one fits *you* best. They are all fine machines. That'd be great, but where? The only way to demo a high end machine seems to be to buy it, and eat the restocking fee if you hate it. I've only found low- end laptops available in stores. Suggestions? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 00:07:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12236 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29152; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:04:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28839; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28792; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11610 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270402.VAA11610@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 23:00:55 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FN key was:Re: Win95 Keys? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:27:42 -0700 (MST), billy@MIX.COM wrote: >> I've done similar, but I rarely used the menu key so mapped my >> right-hand Control Key to be the Windows key. > >All this reminded me of something I've looked for but can't find. >Has anyone seen a telnet program or term emulator that can get at >the Fn key on the Thinkpad keyboard? I'd love to be able to map >that to something else.. Speaking of which, is there any way you can emulate the Fn key on a normal keyboard? There have been times where this would be a real timesaver. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 00:08:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12243 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29381; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:05:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29040; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28928; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11613; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270402.VAA11613@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "jpmeia@ix.netcom.com" , "Thinkpad Digest" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 23:02:01 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 25 Jun 98 08:25:36 -0500, McCann wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't read this message. Could you please post it in raw ASCII? Thanks. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 00:08:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12255 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29154; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:04:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28801; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28788; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA11607; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:02:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270402.VAA11607@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Kim" Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 22:56:50 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win95 Keys? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Does anybody know how to turn it off? Be lucky enough to find a keyboard without those stupid keys. I think IBM should be praised for leaving out those keys. For someone who's also used to the general layout of the keyboard, I don't like things bunched up too much, and since I use CRTL and ALT a lot (keyboard shortcuts), using a Win95 keyboard is a PITA. Just my 2 cents... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 00:22:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12474 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00125; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:21:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29919; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29906; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA12206; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270419.VAA12206@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Piglet" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 21:21:02 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Trying to unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT), Piglet wrote: >Sorry, but I lost the directions for unsubscribing and I really need to >unsub. 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You don't need a subject, and in the body, simply type unsubscribe address@isp.com -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 00:26:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12517 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00487; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00396; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00383; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 00:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA12319; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270423.VAA12319@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "TPincoming@aol.com" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 21:24:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Where's Jan Erik Hoel? He doesn't return my calls. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 13:20:00 EDT, TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >Is he out of the office or what? > Is this for the list? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 01:04:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13139 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01510; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:02:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01432; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01412; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA13541; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270501.WAA13541@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "TPincoming@aol.com" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:02:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> (I'm fairly sure that what we *won't* see >> is a smaller machine with an >> ultra high resolution screen > >Maybe not, but everyone else is going SVGA at 10.4" screen sizes, not 12.1". >I don't see how IBM can keep pushing a lower pixel density and stay in the >game. Look at how XGA projectors are obliterating their SVGA competition, >even in spite of the poorer brightness of the XGA units. > So these higher density LCDs can't go back to 800*600 or 640*480? I don't think I'd like 1024*768 unless it's on a 17" CRT or bigger. Especially since newer technology isn't always better than what's been more matured and already out there. >> - an important fraction of subnote sales are to middle and >> upper management, most of whom are people over 40, >> the average age for the onset of presbyopia.) > >I've always considered the presbyopia argument specious, in light of the easy >enlargement of display fonts in Windows. "DOS! Linux!", you reply. But no: >aging management types, outside of the guys who keep the LAN up, don't know >how to run anything but Windows. > DOS? Are you kidding? There's also OS/2, Solaris x86, BSD, etc. And not all aging management people run Windows (at least I hope not) BTW. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 01:13:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13261 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01902; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:12:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01811; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01789; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p03.hwts21.loop.net (p03.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.240]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA13850; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806270509.WAA13850@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "TPincoming@aol.com" Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:11:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> >They had a notion the PC Jr. would work. They bet the farm on >Microchannel >> >> PC Jr. and Microchannel both made money for IBM, however much they look in >> hindsight as a wrong move. (Actually, microchannel was >> only a mistake commercially, not technically.) Anyway, I don't understand >> your point. Few companies have never made mistakes. > >PC Jr. made money? This seems hard to imagine. I'll take your word for it Believe it or not. But it did turn out the be a failure in the end, because it used non-standard expansion slots (called side cars), didn't have the capability to add 640K of RAM like it's big brothers the PC and XT, and couldn't use a HD. It's closer competitor would probably be a Tandy 1000, because it had 3 voice sound and faster graphics, but nobody wanted a weak PC. >re: microchannel. But my point was simply that you can't infer that since IBM >makes most decisions right, that they make all of them that way. But you >don't seem to be saying this anyway. > The only problem with MCA is that IBM was charging enormous licensing fees to other companies wanting to use MCA in their machines. Personally, I like the IRQ sharing, more DMA channels, 32MHz bus, and other features, and I almost like it better than PCI in some respects. > >> As Randal pointed out, the current crop of competitive ultralights are >> ergonomically inferior to IBM. > >I agree here too -- my hope is that IBM will find a way close *part* of the >gap in terms of size and weight, without compromising the keyboard & >ergonomics that they're rightfully praised for. I think machines like the >Sojourn are just so much technical strutting -- who *cares* how small it is, >if you wind up with a keyboard you swear at? Besides, if I wanted machine >downsized into uselessness, I'd buy a Windows CE machine and put the rest in >the bank. :-) > Heh heh. But you'd probably not have that money in the bank for long, considering every 2 hours (or whatever it is), you'd need to buy a new pair of AA batteries. > >> >Destroy the 600 form factor one year after its big launch? >> >> No, I think they'll find a way to keep the form factor but make it lighter >( >> via choice of materials and components). Not that I >> currently have any idea of how that would actually happen - however, the >560 >> lost weight between its 1st and 2nd incarnations, so >> anything is possible. > >It would be interesting to see if they move to magnesium cases. And the fact >that the bay can't accept a second battery is unacceptable in this price >range. > I think that magnesium would be great, because it conducts heat better, rather than plastic, and if you drop it, it might dent, but not crack or shatter. My SPARCbook is magnesium alloy, and although I haven't used it portably too much (because it has a problem running "Brokenwindows"), it's definately very rugged. And it has the same keyboard as the ThinkPad 750, BTW. > >> >I've always considered the presbyopia argument >> >specious, in light of the easy >> >enlargement of display fonts in Windows. >> >> This "easy enlargement" works better on paper than in practice. > >Well, sure. But *everything* about Windows works better on paper. Paper >doesn't *crash*. :-) LOL > >It does work, though, and it would be nice to have the choice of more data on- >screen, or the same amount of data rendered at higher resolution. This seems >to be a win either way. > The only problem is that (IMO) they're going at a rate where although the LCD gets bigger, the resolution get's denser also. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 01:15:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13281 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02156; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:13:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01982; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.utexas.edu (mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01970; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 01:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806270513.BAA01970@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 30138 invoked by uid 0); 27 Jun 1998 05:13:25 -0000 Received: from dial-35-15.ots.utexas.edu (128.83.111.111) by mail.utexas.edu with SMTP; 27 Jun 1998 05:13:25 -0000 From: "Volker Braun" To: "Thinkpad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 00:15:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Volker Braun" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CPU usage of MWave modem (was: 770 modem q) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi! The MWave is software-modem but it runs on the MWave DSP and not on your CPU. Thus it does not slow down your system. It does take some RAM and it slows down the DSP, on my 760C you e.g. can not record sound if the modem is active (at speeds >14.4 at least). The MWave DSP in newer Thinkpads is faster, so you wont have that same prob on a 770. And yes, the MWave Modem in the 760 is bad :-( cu/2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 03:42:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA15397 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07041; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:40:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06958; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06942; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-400mhz (20715998164.bellatlantic.net [207.159.98.164]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id DAA12084 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980627033949.006e4848@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 03:39:49 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Anyone got a 14.4k/28.8k PCMCIA/PC Card modem? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Looking for a few to cram into 1 755C and a Libretto 50CT that act as diagnostic stations. Nothing fancy, as the information Xfer'ed back is a relatively small data structure/sequence of data of my own design. I don't want to have to keep using my 760C/770 on these jobs where foreign hands make me ansy on my "babies." :) Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Voice: 609-293-9426 Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 07:43:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18057 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16932; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:42:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16826; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16814; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 07:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id GAA20877 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:41:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx8-20.ix.netcom.com(207.94.123.84) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma020824; Sat Jun 27 06:39:15 1998 Received: (from me@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA27772 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 06:39:13 -0500 (CDT) From: McCann Message-Id: <199806271139.GAA27772@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 06:39:08 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Reply-To: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury asked me to repost my message on this thread in plain text. I'm hoping that IBM does try to better the 560 with a larger screen and better built-in sound. We have an ageing Versa that I'm ready to replace, but weight/thickness is a big issue and while the 600 has just about everything, it is still a too heavy for our needs. Something in the 560 class with a 13.3 or 14 inch screen and better sound that is *truly* sub-5 pounds (not 4.99999 pounds). --- Please respond as needed to: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com NeXTMail preferred/MIME welcome From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 10:14:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19479 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21740; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21622; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21608; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CSNCa19316 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76c94a44.3594fdbf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:14 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In a message dated 98-06-27 07:42:41 EDT, jpmeia@ix.netcom.com writes: > Something in the 560 class with a 13.3 or 14 inch screen and better > sound that is *truly* sub-5 pounds (not 4.99999 pounds). Which winds up being 5.3 pounds, once you count all the Windows 98 and Intel MMX stickers. :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 10:20:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19585 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22193; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:19:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22095; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22083; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id JAA26948 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:18:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dal-tx42-42.ix.netcom.com(207.221.94.106) by dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026943; Sat Jun 27 09:18:42 1998 Received: (from me@localhost) by ix.netcom.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA00301 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:18:41 -0500 (CDT) From: McCann Message-Id: <199806271418.JAA00301@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) In-Reply-To: <76c94a44.3594fdbf@aol.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 4.2mach (Enhance 2.1) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 09:18:37 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Reply-To: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com References: <76c94a44.3594fdbf@aol.com> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>TPIncoming@aol.com wrote: Which winds up being 5.3 pounds, once you count all the Windows 98 and Intel MMX stickers. Well, the stickers may not come off, but WinXX will....we run NeXTStep on our Versa and would also on our next laptop. JP --- Please respond as needed to: jpmeia@ix.netcom.com NeXTMail preferred/MIME welcome From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 11:15:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20177 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23893; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:13:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23797; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23785; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24358; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:14:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806271514.KAA24358@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 08:13:37 -0700 To: twang@mediaone.net (Teddy Wang), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600 Ethernet nightmare In-Reply-To: <3594ef44.7375285@smtp.ne.mediaone.net> References: <35907340.290307460@news.ricochet.net> <6mficg$n6d$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> <6mkvvj$nlu$1@nntp1.ba.best.com> <35907340.290307460@news.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:11 AM 6/27/98 , Teddy Wang wrote: >How in the world did you get the 3COM 10/100 Cardbus to work with the >TP600 under NT? We tried for over 6 hours to no avail. Any help >would be greatly appreciated... It didn't want to work for me at first either. I recall there was one trick... First, you did install CardWizard, right? If not, do that first. Then, run Windows NT Diagnostics (in Administrative Tools). Click Memory. There will be a region listed for device PCCard, type Isa. Note the beginning address (it's probably 000D8000 by default). Now go to the Network control panel, open the 3C575's Properties, and set its memory address to match. Also make sure the I/O port and IRQ don't conflict with other devices. You may have to rummage through the ThinkPad configuration program as well as the NT Diagnostics to determine which IRQ's are available--the NT Diagnostics doesn't give a complete list. Having said all that, I just double-checked my setup, and I notice the memory address for the 3C575 now does NOT match the PCCard reserved address. So I'm puzzled. It didn't work when I first installed it and they didn't match--so I made them the same and it started working--but now they're different and it still works perfectly. I can hotswap the card and everything. Maybe I fixed the IRQ or I/O address at the same time, and that's what really fixed it. But that does seem to be the ticket: CardWizard plus a little research and experimenting to find nonconflicting addresses. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 12:45:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21684 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26588; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:44:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26484; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26472; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.46] (SoCal56k146.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.46]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA22673; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:43:51 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980627033949.006e4848@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 09:38:20 -0700 To: Mark Bell From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Anyone got a 14.4k/28.8k PCMCIA/PC Card modem? Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Looking for a few to cram into 1 755C and a Libretto 50CT that act as >diagnostic stations. Nothing fancy, as the information Xfer'ed back is a >relatively small data structure/sequence of data of my own design. I don't >want to >have to keep using my 760C/770 on these jobs where foreign hands make me >ansy on my "babies." :) Sounds like a job for .... Home and Away ;) (well mine still works). The fuller story, IBM made a nifty combo card 14.4 fax/modem and 10bt ethernet, the IBM Home and Away. Microsoft are screwups, and IBM is sure they won't last, so the drivers from IBM are quirky with W95. They are patched to fix bugs in the early W95 release, but I don't think patched again for the later releases. If you follow carefull instructions though, they seem to work fine. Oh and the reason to go through this suffering is that they were blown out last year by many sources for about $20. Anybody have an update on using the Home and Away with newer OS releases? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 13:27:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22240 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28557; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:26:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28475; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28463; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-082-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.162]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15067; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:24:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35952AEB.F961B581@cia-g.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:24:59 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Anyone got a 14.4k/28.8k PCMCIA/PC Card modem? References: <3.0.1.32.19980627033949.006e4848@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Suggest you try www.onsale.com They have several pcmcia modems everyday... You should watch it for a couple of days to see how it works... I have purchased several new and refurbished PCMCIA modems from them at 28.8 and never paid more than $29.00 Watch them as their shipping is expensive... But relatively quick... about 1-5 days depending on what level of UPS or FedExp you want. They sell a Megahertz 28.8 for as little as $19.00 (you have to bid and some days the bidding is lower than others) I have seen many 14.4 modems but have never bid on them... those prices were as low as $9.00 External modems are similar good deals... some days are name brands refurbished others are not. Ray Bayles Mark Bell wrote: > Looking for a few to cram into 1 755C and a Libretto 50CT that act as > diagnostic stations. Nothing fancy, as the information Xfer'ed back is a > relatively small data structure/sequence of data of my own design. I don't > want to > have to keep using my 760C/770 on these jobs where foreign hands make me > ansy on my "babies." :) > > Mark Bell > ElectroSoft Consulting > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Voice: 609-293-9426 > Fax : 609-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 13:35:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22370 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29007; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:34:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28894; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28875; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg128-102.ricochet.net [204.179.128.102]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02063; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:34:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199806271734.MAA02063@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:33:55 -0700 To: Bill Morrow , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: 770 modem question... In-Reply-To: <359529C7.B176C3E0@icanect.net> References: <199806261636.LAA12848@rgate.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi Bill, >You sure.. :-) ??on these two desktops (see above) the control >panel/modem/connection/advanced is the same.. >no additional modem init string in either, yet one exhibits the 115k serial port >speed and the other the actual baud rate betwoon here and ISP.. I'm sure about the ATW0 and ATW1 commands. They're documented in the ThinkPad modem reference and they work on my TP600 modem. What I don't know is this: does Windows dial-up networking initialize the modem with an ATZ command or an AT&F command? If it uses AT&F, then the modem should start out with factory settings, and I'm surprised to see your two modems working differently. However, if dial-up networking uses ATZ, then it's just initializing the modem to its current saved settings. In that case, you could have two modems behave differently if one of them was still on the factory default (which appears to be ATW0) and one of them had had these commands entered any time in the past: ATW1 AT&W [write new permanent settings] Some software does things like that, and then you end up with different default behavior. Another possibility: I wonder if IBM has changed the default at some point in time with different versions of the modem software? The default ATW0 is a very unusual setting--the vast majority of modems report the connection rate, not the port rate. So that's about all I know about this... -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 13:39:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22407 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29363; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:38:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29254; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29241; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-082-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.162]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15312; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:37:57 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35952E02.74B978D7@cia-g.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:38:10 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List , "TPincoming@aol.com" Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? References: <199806270501.WAA13541@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It is difficult to classify 1024-768 as new technology. I got my 760ED in Augustof 1996. It has 1024-768 and hasn't given me a bit of trouble under very heavy daily use since then... and I am old and have presb... whatever that is. But there are a lot of things my 800-600 and 600-480 won't handle that the 1024-780 will Ray Bayles > So these higher density LCDs can't go back to 800*600 or 640*480? I don't > think I'd like 1024*768 unless it's on a 17" CRT or bigger. Especially since newer > technology isn't always better than what's been more matured and already > out there.-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 14:02:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA22686 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00412; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00281; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00267; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA27662 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:59:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from bst-ma13-20.ix.netcom.com(207.94.107.116) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma027635; Sat Jun 27 12:59:08 1998 Message-ID: <003e01bda1f5$d216a200$746b5ecf@pekkaa.ix.netcom.com> From: "Pekka L. Aro" To: Subject: Ring Central + TP 600 = Problem Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:52:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BDA1D2.CADFA360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BDA1D2.CADFA360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, Has anyone gotten this combo to work with voice? My fax is OK but the = phone is dead. It seems to connect OK, but no sound - in (speakers) or = out (mic). I've spent 5-6 hours on it with IBM tech support and they = cannot figure it out either. I've reinstalled both RingCentral and TP = modem drivers already per IBM's advice. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. As much as I love the form and functionality of the 600, it looks like = the machine is a potential compatibility nightmare. In this case with = its preloaded software!!! TIA, Pekka ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BDA1D2.CADFA360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,
 
Has anyone gotten this combo to work = with=20 voice?  My fax is OK but the phone is dead.  It seems to = connect OK,=20 but no sound - in (speakers) or out (mic).  I've spent 5-6 hours on = it with=20 IBM tech support and they cannot figure it out either.  I've = reinstalled=20 both RingCentral and TP modem drivers already per IBM's = advice.
 
Any advice would be greatly=20 appreciated.
 
As much as I love the form and = functionality of=20 the 600, it looks like the machine is a potential compatibility = nightmare. =20 In this case with its preloaded software!!!
 
TIA,
 
Pekka
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01BDA1D2.CADFA360-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 14:41:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23180 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01559; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:40:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01453; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01440; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-195-78.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-195-78.il.us.ibm.net [32.100.195.78]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA18186 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:40:26 GMT From: moc@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560 Sound problem Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:40:44 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: moc@ibm.net Message-ID: <35963b52.261705@smtp2.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Last week , my 560 started exhibiting a strange sound problem. The sounds I hear during a bootup, or the modem sounds sound normal. But sounds that come from the software, like new mail notification, have become noticeably quieter. I have raised the software volume control to the max, but software sounds are still much quieter than they were before. If I use the hardware volume control to make the software sounds louder, the hardware sounds are unbearably loud. I loaded up Win98 on Thursday and was hoping the problem would go away, but it's still there. Hope someone can shed light on this. -- Stan Mocek moc@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 14:57:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23350 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02157; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02039; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02021; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA29748 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Printers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Coupla questions about a printer for my 701: 1. considering epson stylus 800 and the hp 890. anyone have opinions thereon? 2. buycom.com seems to have the best prices. anyone have an opinion on them? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 16:05:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24169 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03929; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:03:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03819; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from einstein.phy.duke.edu (root@einstein.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03807; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu [152.3.182.25]) by einstein.phy.duke.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17240 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01723; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:03:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:03:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199806272003.QAA01723@lem.phy.duke.edu> From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Reset button, Win98, upgrade path for 560E? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Had three questions: 1. I have a 560E Thinkpad but can not find (and there is no mention in the manual) of a reset button. Is there one? My machine locks up occasionally with certain software and it is a pain to have to turn the machine off to fix this. 2. Is it straightforward to upgrade a 560E to Windows 98? Does one need special files from IBM to do this? 3. Finally, is there an upgrade path from a 560E to 560X? If such an upgrade exists and is not expensive, it would be nice to take advantage of the longer battery time and faster chip of the 560X. Please reply directly to me via e-mail since I don't read the list often. Thanks, Henry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 16:46:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA24810 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05054; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:44:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04935; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04922; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA03011; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:43:43 -1000 Message-ID: <002c01bda20c$6f922d40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Printers Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:44:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >1. considering epson stylus 800 and the hp 890. >anyone have opinions thereon? These (and other) printers are a constant source of much discussion on the Usenet group comp.periphs.printers - probably a better venue for discussion than this list, since neither is a ThinkPad. A quick short answer is that the HP is 18 months newer technology than the Epson. However, the 890 is Windows-only. Oh - if you want to save some money, work exclusively in Windows, and are only interested in text and business graphics (not photos), then you can get the HP820 refurbed (but with full warrantee) direct from HP for only $180; the text quality is exactly the same as the 890 and better than the Epson - but it is somewhat slower, especially on a 486 machine like the 701. (Both the 890 and the 820 will use your computer for much of the processing - though the 890 manages to be pretty speedy even on a 486; the 820 less so, except it is surprisingly fast on pure text.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 17:19:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25397 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05970; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:18:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05865; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05853; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-082-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.162]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18905; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:17:39 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3595617E.97D1B721@cia-g.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:17:50 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rj CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Printers References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have one of each... for a direct comparison, the 850 Epson is now the top of the line... The Epson is fast and produces incredibly good color printing... It makes a high whinning noise I don't much like... The HP 390 makes a lot of clunking noises so noise wise its a tie, but I hate the Epson sound more.. Their black and white printing is about equal The Epson has experienced more problems with such thinks as leaking ink... The HP is more reliable and always has been.. If you are doing high quality printing, get the Epson... If you are doing a large volume of black and white printing, get the HP. Also check the price of ink cartridges where you live... They vary as much as $8.00 from one part of the country to another... the HP uses more black ink. Both superior printers for the money... but I do mainly black and white, and my old HP LaserJet IV beats them both on cost per page and reliability as do the slower LaserJet II and LaserJet III I have seen the 800 for as low as $269.95... go to www.pricewatch.com The 850 is $349.95 but worth the difference. The HP 390 is $350, but the almost as good HP 370 Cxi is $279.00 Ray Bayles rj wrote: > Coupla questions about a printer for my 701: > > 1. considering epson stylus 800 and the hp 890. > anyone have opinions thereon? > > 2. buycom.com seems to have the best prices. anyone have an > opinion on them? > > TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Jun 27 18:06:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25934 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07540; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07420; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07407; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1s59.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.240.169]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24647 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007101bda217$3eefeaa0$a9f010d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" To: Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:02:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu or just look at the headers from any message from this list. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Khoury To: Piglet ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 11:21 PM Subject: Trying to unsubscribe >On Fri, 26 Jun 1998 06:20:01 -0700 (PDT), Piglet wrote: > >>Sorry, but I lost the directions for unsubscribing and I really need to >>unsub. Please unusb me. Thanks. >> > >So everyone knows how to unsubscribe, send a message to >thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu. You don't need a subject, and in the body, >simply type > >unsubscribe address@isp.com > > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server >Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 >ICQ#14582895 > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 00:39:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01424 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16950; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:36:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16729; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16716; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA38418; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:36:28 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 00:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: os2support@theriver.com cc: Philip Hogarth , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 and win 98 In-Reply-To: <199806250320.UAA10620@pantano.theriver.com> Message-ID: Organization: Yeshiva University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Drivers for win98 are on the ibm web site: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support?page=IBM+ThinkPad;doctype=Downloadable+files;subtype=Windows+98#documents On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 os2support@theriver.com wrote: > In <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca>, on > 06/24/98 > at 11:13 PM, "Philip Hogarth" said: > > >I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. > >I'm thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. I've been to the > >ThinkPad site but there's nothing showing regarding 98, patches, > >FAQ's or otherwise. > > Been following the 770 vs Win98 debate in the Thinkpad forums. It > looks like we will have to wait about a month after the release for > drivers, help files, FAQs, etc. to be produced by IBM. > > >Anyone done a shift from 95 to 98? Any problems? > > Not yet. I'm sitting on the sidelines and just might go straight for > NT4.0. > > >Sorry if this is being asked about for the 10th time. Thanks for > >your help in advance. > > Not yet. I think you are the second or third person to ask about this. > > James > > -- > -------------------------------------------- > James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora > Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 > NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com > New rates for unsolicited e-mails: > Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. > -------------------------------------------- > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 02:28:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03395 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18914; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18605; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18591; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts21.loop.net (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04087; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806280622.XAA04087@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" , "TPincoming@aol.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 23:23:29 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:12:14 EDT, TPincoming@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 98-06-27 07:42:41 EDT, jpmeia@ix.netcom.com writes: > >> Something in the 560 class with a 13.3 or 14 inch screen and better >> sound that is *truly* sub-5 pounds (not 4.99999 pounds). > >Which winds up being 5.3 pounds, once you count all the Windows 98 and Intel >MMX stickers. :-) > And the AC adapter, extra battery, phone cords, CD-ROMs, floppies, cell phone for the celluer modem, headphones or small speakers; the list goes on and on. Oh, and that portable printer, too. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 02:30:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03419 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19147; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:26:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18759; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18729; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts21.loop.net (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04230; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806280624.XAA04230@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Ray Bayles" Cc: "ThinkPad List" , "TPincoming@aol.com" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 23:25:59 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 11:38:10 -0600, Ray Bayles wrote: >It is difficult to classify 1024-768 as new technology. I got my 760ED in Augustof >1996. It has 1024-768 and hasn't given me a bit of trouble under very heavy >daily use since then... and I am old and have presb... whatever that is. But there >are a lot of things my 800-600 and 600-480 won't handle that the 1024-780 will > Well, if you're using UNIX or (ugh) Windows to do CAD or something, I can imagine it, but I don't like reading tiny text on an LCD that's only so big (since you can't get a bigger screen like a CRT, unless you trade it in or something). Reading small text on a sheet of paper isn't too bad, but on a CRT, no way. And it's still hard on an LCD as well... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 02:33:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03442 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19653; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:29:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19047; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18915; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts21.loop.net (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04342; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806280625.XAA04342@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "rj" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 23:27:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:55:40 -0400 (EDT), rj wrote: >Coupla questions about a printer for my 701: > >1. considering epson stylus 800 and the hp 890. >anyone have opinions thereon? > At school, I used a Stylus 5xx or 6xx (forgot what number), but it makes a lot of noise. I don't know about the new HPs, but they seem a little quiter, but the Epson surprisingly has better color output (since I've had BAD luck with Epson printers before). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 02:35:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03461 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19938; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:29:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19197; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19145; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts21.loop.net (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04504; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806280627.XAA04504@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David Ross" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 23:29:21 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >same as the 890 and better than the Epson - but it is somewhat slower, especially on a 486 machine like the 701. (Both the 890 and >the 820 will use your computer for much of the processing - though the 890 manages to be pretty speedy even on a 486; the 820 less >so, except it is surprisingly fast on pure text.) So these printers operate in much the same way as a Win modem, using the host computer's CPU for processing, rather than it's own DSP or microcontroller? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 02:36:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA03528 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20055; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19451; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19413; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p01.hwts21.loop.net (p01.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.238]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA04651 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 23:29:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806280629.XAA04651@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 27 Jun 98 23:31:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 17:02:14 -0500, Mark E Hood wrote: >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >X-UIDL: 7e6bff900351563622161924908e9174 > >or just look at the headers from any message from this list. I doubt anyone ever see's this before just sending unsubscribe messages to the list, and those messages start to get really annoying... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 03:05:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03874 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21037; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:59:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20622; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20609; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog ([12.70.38.70]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980628065826.RNIF8258@expwncog>; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: <3595E987.77C3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:58:15 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 modem question... References: <199806252029.NAA22278@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Sandy Meltzer wrote: > > Hello all, > > I'm using a new 770ED (128Mb, VST ZIP) with its internal modem. When I > connect to my ISP via dial-up, the "Connected to" info in the task bar > shows I'm connected at 115,200 bps...which is obviously wrong. The Thats the speed from the modem to your processor I was told Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 03:05:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03883 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20958; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 03:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:54:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20378; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20366; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from expwncog ([12.70.38.70]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980628065414.RMWQ8258@expwncog>; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:54:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3595E88B.4751@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 02:54:03 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-WorldNet (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Hogarth CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 and win 98 References: <002901bd9fe7$29ecf9e0$695d7018@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Philip Hogarth wrote: > > I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Current 95 version is 4.00.950 B. I'm > thinking of installing win 98 when it ships. Installed 98 clean and over 95 on 770 1AU. No problems. IBM has 11 files to add. Modem.Dsp,video etc. Installing over 95 you may need files, but I'm working fine. Think I lost hot swap in ultrabay in both cases. I am still going slow,as I have spare drives. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 04:24:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA05001 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24237; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:22:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24152; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24140; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA05862; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:21:59 -1000 Message-ID: <001a01bda26d$fc6bcc60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bayles" , "rj" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Printers Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:23:04 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I have one of each... for a direct comparison, the 850 Epson is now the >top of the line... Please please please lets not carry the Usenet religious war on printers to this list! Ray is right, the appropriate comparison is between the HP890 and the new Epson 850. There's been lots of leapfrogging here - the Epson 800/600 series was better than the HP870/820 series on high-res color graphics, not as good on text. The HP890/720 series used the same B&W engine as their earlier machines, but got the high-res graphics on par with the Epsons. Now Epson is out with their new machines - I haven't seen the output, but I would guess that the color is still spectacular, the text comparable to the HP. These are all great printers! I have an HP820 at home, and at work an Epson 600, a HP LJ4000, and a Lexmark Optra R+ laser (only the latter in my office, so I can't compare media costs); I actually prefer the text output of my 820 to that of the two 1200dpi laser printers, and while the Epson's color graphics is hard to beat, even the dated HP820 does solid-color graphics well, and photo graphics adequately. PC Magazine online often has articles with pennies/page ink costs for printers; this is your best bet for correct comparisons Ray: where do the HP390 and HP370 you mentioned fit in this hierarchy - I'm not familiar with them. Oh - on prices: if you find a surprisingly low price for an Epson printer, do make sure that the printer is not refurbed or grey market (=no warrantee). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 04:26:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA05015 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24496; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:25:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24402; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24372; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA05876; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:25:43 -1000 Message-ID: <002301bda26e$81febea0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Printers Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 22:26:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >So these printers operate in much the same way as a Win modem, >using the host computer's CPU for processing, rather than it's own DSP >or microcontroller? Not quite, they do a fair amount of processing on board, but do offload font rasterization to the OS. Some windows printers do more work than others - for example, there is apparently a Linux GhostScript driver for the HP820, this wouldn't be possible for Lexmark's windows-only printers. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 05:00:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA05311 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25184; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:58:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25088; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25076; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 04:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA21398 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:58:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40); 28 Jun 98 10:58:36 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.40); 28 Jun 98 10:58:09 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.161) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.40) with ESMTP; 28 Jun 98 10:58:02 +0200 Received: from babylon5.stelarcom.de (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00293 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:16:22 -0400 Message-Id: <199806281416.KAA00293@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:16:20 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:17:50 -0600, Ray Bayles wrote: Hello! >I have one of each... for a direct comparison, the 850 Epson is now the >top of the line... > >The Epson is fast and produces incredibly good color printing... It >makes a high >whinning noise I don't much like... The HP 390 makes a lot of clunking >noises so >noise wise its a tie, but I hate the Epson sound more.. >Their black and white printing is about equal Thats correct concerning my own observations. >The Epson has experienced more problems with such thinks as leaking >ink... The HP is more reliable and always has been.. Wouldn't say that. Problem on the HP's is allways paperhandling. The paper drives such a wild way through the printer, it's likley to jam sometimes. I find that on DeskJet 520 I used some time ago, also on my laser (LaserJet Series II) and the lasers we use in university (LaserJet 5M, 4M). The stylus is more reliable here cause it transports the paper in a straigth way through. I also find that on my Canon which uses the same technique here. >If you are doing high quality printing, get the Epson... If you are >doing >a large volume of black and white printing, get the HP. Concerning paperhandling I'd not use the HP for really lage volumes. Don't know if it's really better on the 8xx mentioned here, but I'd found really troubel with jams, especially on loading high volumes or low volumes of paper in the tray. (That's to say on start up and at the end of a larger job.) Also for black/white I'd say if one prints no graphics or only on Win than the HP is probably right. But it's rather dependend on Win. If one uses other platforms, the HP's perform pritty lousy in quality (lack of documentation by HP). >Also check the price of ink cartridges where you live... They vary as >much >as $8.00 from one part of the country to another... the HP uses more >black ink. > >Both superior printers for the money... but I do mainly black and white, >and >my old HP LaserJet IV beats them both on cost per page and reliability >as do >the slower LaserJet II and LaserJet III That I'd say too. My LaserJet II (really old machine) is much better then all tested inkjets for b/w printing. But it's not "portable" (25 kg ;-) -- CU (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys Alexander Wagner )) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 05:29:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA05586 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00848; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:26:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00695; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (root@tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00679; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 05:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.237.33]) by tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09712; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:22:22 +0200 (MESZ) Received: from localhost (michey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA03136; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:23:30 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:23:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Eyrich X-Sender: michey@mekk To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SPDIF Ports In-Reply-To: <3590008F.3201A07@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: |Paul.. |that ad has been in the Wall Street Journal too.. |its a good price for a new thinkpad and sort of sets the price point for |all older thinkpads.. | |what the h... is a SPDIF port..?? :-) Sony/Philips Digital Interface specification It is a digital audio interface. Regards, Michael -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 06:09:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA05984 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01617; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:07:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01453; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01434; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-400mhz (20715998144.bellatlantic.net [207.159.98.144]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id GAA10471 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980628060641.006982cc@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:06:41 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Will there be a ThinkPad 560 with a 13.3" display? In-Reply-To: <35952E02.74B978D7@cia-g.com> References: <199806270501.WAA13541@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:38 AM 6/27/98 -0600, you wrote: >It is difficult to classify 1024-768 as new technology. I got my 760ED in Augustof >1996. It has 1024-768 and hasn't given me a bit of trouble under very heavy >daily use since then... and I am old and have presb... whatever that is. But there >are a lot of things my 800-600 and 600-480 won't handle that the 1024-780 will > >Ray Bayles > >> So these higher density LCDs can't go back to 800*600 or 640*480? I don't >> think I'd like 1024*768 unless it's on a 17" CRT or bigger. Especially since newer >> technology isn't always better than what's been more matured and already >> out there.-- I agree. I have used two 12.1" XGA notebooks (Toshiba 720CDT and NEC 6030X). 1024x768 on their 12.1" TFT was easy to see. On my 770's 14.1", it is more than enough. I have yet to find a situation (besides games), that >1024x768 is needed. Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Voice: 609-293-9426 Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 06:36:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA06204 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02138; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:33:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01917; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01905; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11075 invoked by uid 66); 28 Jun 1998 10:32:24 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 12:00 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark E Hood (mehood@mindspring.com) wrote: > or just look at the headers from any message from this list. Too complicated. On the Usenet, it's easier to ask someone else before trying and reading yourself. It just takes longer to get the right answer. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 08:21:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA07285 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03861; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:19:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03720; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03705; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (pool-207-205-187-130.clev.grid.net [207.205.187.130]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05114; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "rj" Cc: Subject: RE: Printers Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:19:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bda28e$f50149c0$82bbcdcf@770> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu There's also now an EPSON 850 that is supposedly a little faster than the 800 and perhaps prints black and white a little better. My general impression of the difference between the EPSON and HP inkjets based mainly on reviews over the last couple of years is that the EPSON printers have superior color print quality whereas the HP machines are better all around printers. Therefore you may want to consider what you plan to do with the printer. Others may disagree with this assessment totally. I picked the EPSON 800 a while back because I had a good laserjet (HP6P) and needed a color printer for certain work. I'm quite satisfied although now I covet one of the newer tabloid ESPON printers that use the same print technology as the 800 -----Original Message----- From: rj [mailto:rj@cais.com] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 1998 2:56 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Printers Coupla questions about a printer for my 701: 1. considering epson stylus 800 and the hp 890. anyone have opinions thereon? 2. buycom.com seems to have the best prices. anyone have an opinion on them? TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 10:44:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08766 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06951; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:40:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06748; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from resudox.net (root@resudox.net [198.96.220.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06736; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pc-15568.on.rogers.wave.ca [24.112.93.105]) by resudox.net (8.8.5/8.7.3/resudox) with SMTP id JAA01766 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 09:40:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bda2a2$abb046e0$0100007f@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> From: "Philip Hogarth" To: "tp" Subject: 98 and 770 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:40:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Just installed Win 98 upgrade over existing Win95 4.00.950 B. Have 2 problems: 1) Won't suspend. In fact it freezes up when I try. In fact once more, it freezes so bad that I have to unplug and remove battery to reboot.Think I may have a fix with w95fsdi patch from IBM site but am not sure because I can't get it on a floppy due to problem 2... 2) Can't read the floppy. It's plugged in ayt the back. The floppy makes a whirring sound but the light doesn't go on and I eventually get a "device not ready" message. Any comments? Thanks. Philip Hogarth Partner Director, Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We Build digITal Brands Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 ext. 204 Toronto: 416-363-7938 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 10:53:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08846 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07412; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:51:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07209; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07197; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA01496; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:50:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 08:50:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: David Ross cc: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Printers In-Reply-To: <001a01bda26d$fc6bcc60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have one stoopid and insolently immmature finger that independently typed a three instead of an 8... and continues to rebel against my authority as if a teenager... Sorry. ...those should be HP890 and HP870 (Cxi)_ > Ray: where do the HP390 and HP370 you mentioned fit in this hierarchy - I'm not familiar with them. The quality of black and white print has been in very small increments in the Hewlett Packard since the 600 series... but this new 890 has a very fine improvement in color. They are both darn fine machines for the money. As to the person who said Epson paper handling was better, I don't agree based on my work experience with a very large organzation that has many of both... and the reviews in Infoworld, PC Magazine, and others all downrate the Epson for its paperfeed problems... I love the Epson color print and am about to buy myself the new 850... but the ink leaking problem (not a cartridge problem) in some Epsons is of concern... I understand ink leaking is Epsons biggest reason for returns and exchanges... but it doesn't happen in all machines... I bought Epsons for my kids in college partly due to smaller size, and partly due to the fact that Epsons can be used on Apples and well as PC compatibles where HP's cannot... They have both had leaking problems. One was purchased and used in Boston, the other in Tucson. Among the HP deskjets my wife and I have owned (7 beginnine with the first Deskjet, 500, 500C, 1200, 620, 820, 870, 890) the paper feed has never been a problem on the new machines, but they are clunky and once the rubber rollers harden (maybe only a problem here in the low humidty southwest) then the paperfeed has been a major problem requiring a major repair cost or purchase of new machines. As to Canons, I own Canon portable 70's and 80's. And work on many Canons in our business. A nuther darn fine machine when new, but impossible to fix after some wear. Ray Bayles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 11:02:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08960 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07882; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:00:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07711; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07699; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA25263; Sun, 28 Jun 98 11:00:15 EDT Message-Id: <35965A7A.DD43D953@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:00:10 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Hogarth Cc: tp Subject: Re: 98 and 770 References: <000a01bda2a2$abb046e0$0100007f@localhost.rogers.wave.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You shouldn't ever have to remove the battery to reboot. The 770 (and 600) have a hard reset button that is recessed near the power switch. A paper click or similar can reach it. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 12:22:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09976 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09912; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:21:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09816; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from callisto.si.usherb.ca (callisto.si.USherb.ca [132.210.10.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09804; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from G15-313A.Residence.usherb.ca by callisto.si.usherb.ca (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA92786; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:21:02 -0400 From: "Fabian Rodriguez" To: Subject: Home & Away 14.4/Ethernet combo and Win98 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:21:48 -0400 Message-Id: <001f01bda2b0$da6a8640$b5baa7ce@G15-313A.residence.usherb.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well I tried the H&A drivers for Win95 in Win98, but only the modem will work. :( Fabian Rodriguez From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 13:14:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10711 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11661; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:12:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11493; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11481; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:12:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from DietrichWT@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CXLLa04161 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7ee0c09a.35967970@aol.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:12:14 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: IBM Dos7 or Warp3 with 710t (pen) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 66 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, this is germany callin=B4. Got a big problem ! I=B4m tryin to install= Dos7 or=0AWarp3 on my thinkpad 710T. Warp3 couldn=B4t be installed becaus a failure messa= ge comes up an tell me that the setup can=B4t find any HDD !? I=B4ve installed Dos 6.22 an Win95 before without problems (only there is= no Pen-support !). What=B4s the problem ?? j IBM PC Dos7 could be installed with the option for pen-Support on my 710T but----it doesn=B4t work. The PenDos menu doesn=B4t pops up. I reinstalle= d it five times with many other options....no way ! The pen-support doesn=B4t work. Am I a idiot...or what=B4s the fact ???? Some ideas ? Please mail me ! Thanks a zillion Mike=0A From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 13:20:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10772 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12304; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:18:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12200; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12186; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg128-113.ricochet.net [204.179.128.113]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA08641; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201bda2b8$fc21d600$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Philip Hogarth" , "tp" Subject: Re: 98 and 770 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:19:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Have you been to the ThinkPad web site and obtained the BIOS upgrade and the set of Win98 updated driver disks? My ThinkPad 600 is working fine after all of the above over an upgrade from the Recovery CD installation of Win95. I was concerned at first, because the BIOS upgrade seemed to make the raw Win98 installation a little unstable but using the driver disks solved all of my issues. David >I've got a ThinkPad 770 9549 1AU. Just installed Win 98 upgrade over >existing Win95 4.00.950 B. Have 2 problems: > >1) Won't suspend. > >2) Can't read the floppy. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 13:27:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10890 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13372; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:26:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13256; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13244; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg128-113.ricochet.net [204.179.128.113]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA10703 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003801bda2b9$ff8ca9e0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: Subject: BIOS memory check on TP 600... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:27:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu As part of the 1.01 (6/23/98) BIOS upgrade for the ThinkPad 600, the documentation suggests running the full set of tests for all of the components. When the tests get to the memory test on my machine, the indicator advances twice and makes loud beep sounds and then hangs. Does this indicate a memory error? I would have expected a diagnostic message telling me that the test is unable to read or write a memory address and not a hang. Could someone else please try the tests on a ThinkPad 600 (mine is a PII-233, but I doubt it matters) and let me know if the same occurs? Just restart and keep the F1 key pressed until the BIOS screen appears. The machine SEEMS to be working beautifully but I am concerned that I may have a faulty unit, that has not failed yet, but will do soon. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 14:48:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11918 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15889; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:46:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15696; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pacs05.infoave.net (pacs05.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15678; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linnskip ("port 1030"@[206.74.204.221]) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.1-10 #23426) with SMTP id <01IYRUYZFYN69GWP5Y@InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:46:06 EDT Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:38:22 -0400 From: Linn Skipper Subject: Running mouse pointer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <35968D9D.136@ftc-i.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I seem to remeber a while back that someone was having a problem with a external mouse plugged into a THinkpad (mine is a 750C) and the mouse pointer taking off accross the screen with no user input. I don't remeber what the fix was (if any). Thanks Linn Skipper askipper@ftc-i.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 14:57:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA12096 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16410; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16295; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16283; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs430158-a.cghy1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.58.142] (HELO thinkpad) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0061_3596_91a8_5d61; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: <000901bda2c6$611607e0$0200005a@thinkpad.Moorgate> From: "David S. Crombie" To: Subject: mouse/keyboard/screen question Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:55:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA294.1616E2A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA294.1616E2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This might sound dumb but... I have a 365XD that I want to hook an = external keyboard to (yes, one of the ones with the stupid Windows = keys). I only have one PS/2 port but have both the keyboard and the = mouse to hook up (both PS/2). Is there a way to use both devices on the = PS/2 port or do I have to use a PS/2 to Serial port converter? The reason I want to do this is that my screen has konked out (and my = left mouse button) - 10% of the time the LCD looks perfect, but then = all of a sudden white lines start forming and in a matter of 10 seconds = or so the whole screen fades to pure white. I am using an external = monitor and everything is perfect so I am lead to believe that the video = chip is fine. Has anybody else seen this (I remember a thread recently = regarding the 701 but I didn't see that many similarities). The screen = is a 10.4 TFT. I guess I should have gone for that extended warranty after all... Thanks all ____________________ David S. Crombie david@crombie.com ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA294.1616E2A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This might sound dumb but... I have = a 365XD that=20 I want to hook an external keyboard to (yes, one of the ones with the = stupid=20 Windows keys). I only have one PS/2 port but have both the keyboard and = the=20 mouse to hook up (both PS/2).  Is there a way to use both devices = on the=20 PS/2 port or do I have to use a PS/2 to Serial port = converter?
 
The reason I want to do this is that = my screen=20 has konked out (and my left mouse button)  - 10% of the time the = LCD looks=20 perfect, but then all of a sudden white lines start forming and in a = matter of=20 10 seconds or so the whole screen fades to pure white.  I am using = an=20 external monitor and everything is perfect so I am lead to believe that = the=20 video chip is fine.  Has anybody else seen this (I remember a = thread=20 recently regarding the 701 but I didn't see that many = similarities).  The=20 screen is a  10.4 TFT.
 
I guess I should have gone for that = extended=20 warranty after all...
 
Thanks all
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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BDA294.1616E2A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 15:35:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12667 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17490; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:34:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17381; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17368; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-4.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.4]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22690; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:32:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01bda2cb$8d1275e0$041f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:32:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I had the same situation with my 770E and both myself and IBM Tech Support were pretty sure it was indeed a problem. Even with both DIMMs removed, so that only the system board memory remained, the test would appear to hang exactly as you describe. IBM even sent me the previous BIOS and I downgraded my system but with the same result. I wound up reinstalling the upgraded BIOS and rerunning the tests. The bottom line is that there was *no problem* after all. For some reason, the darned test just takes a *long, long* time to run. My machine has 160Mb of RAM and the test took 1 hr. 10 min. to complete. I suggest you rerun the test and just wait (and wait, and wait ...). If, after an hour, you still see no progress, then I would call IBM Tech Support. -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor To: thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 12:35 PM Subject: BIOS memory check on TP 600... >As part of the 1.01 (6/23/98) BIOS upgrade for the ThinkPad 600, the >documentation suggests running the full set of tests for all of the >components. > >When the tests get to the memory test on my machine, the indicator advances >twice and makes loud beep sounds and then hangs. Does this indicate a >memory error? I would have expected a diagnostic message telling me that >the test is unable to read or write a memory address and not a hang. > >Could someone else please try the tests on a ThinkPad 600 (mine is a >PII-233, but I doubt it matters) and let me know if the same occurs? Just >restart and keep the F1 key pressed until the BIOS screen appears. > >The machine SEEMS to be working beautifully but I am concerned that I may >have a faulty unit, that has not failed yet, but will do soon. > >David > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 16:02:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13083 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18361; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:59:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18215; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18202; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg128-113.ricochet.net [204.179.128.113]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27599; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01f601bda2cf$74fb5400$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Robert J. Karp" Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:00:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Great! I was hoping that this was the answer. I will do this test this afternoon. My ThinkPad has 96mb of RAM and that is likely the problem. David -----Original Message----- From: Robert J. Karp To: David W. Taylor Cc: ThinkPad Users Group Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 12:34 PM Subject: Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... >I had the same situation with my 770E and both myself and IBM Tech Support >were pretty sure it was indeed a problem. Even with both DIMMs removed, so >that only the system board memory remained, the test would appear to hang >exactly as you describe. IBM even sent me the previous BIOS and I >downgraded my system but with the same result. I wound up reinstalling the >upgraded BIOS and rerunning the tests. The bottom line is that there was >*no problem* after all. For some reason, the darned test just takes a >*long, long* time to run. My machine has 160Mb of RAM and the test took 1 >hr. 10 min. to complete. I suggest you rerun the test and just wait (and >wait, and wait ...). If, after an hour, you still see no progress, then I >would call IBM Tech Support. > >-----Original Message----- >From: David W. Taylor >To: thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 12:35 PM >Subject: BIOS memory check on TP 600... > > >>As part of the 1.01 (6/23/98) BIOS upgrade for the ThinkPad 600, the >>documentation suggests running the full set of tests for all of the >>components. >> >>When the tests get to the memory test on my machine, the indicator advances >>twice and makes loud beep sounds and then hangs. Does this indicate a >>memory error? I would have expected a diagnostic message telling me that >>the test is unable to read or write a memory address and not a hang. >> >>Could someone else please try the tests on a ThinkPad 600 (mine is a >>PII-233, but I doubt it matters) and let me know if the same occurs? Just >>restart and keep the F1 key pressed until the BIOS screen appears. >> >>The machine SEEMS to be working beautifully but I am concerned that I may >>have a faulty unit, that has not failed yet, but will do soon. >> >>David >> >> From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 16:52:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13777 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19448; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:50:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19340; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19328; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg136-219.ricochet.net [204.179.136.219]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA11386; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000601bda2d6$7ea0a440$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "David W. Taylor" , "Robert J. Karp" Cc: "ThinkPad Users Group" Subject: Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:51:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu To complate all of the tests including the Memory test took just under 45 minutes on my 96mb ThinkPad 600 PII-233. Everthing is cool. Thanks, Robert! David -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor To: Robert J. Karp Cc: ThinkPad Users Group Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 1:01 PM Subject: Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... >Great! I was hoping that this was the answer. I will do this test this >afternoon. My ThinkPad has 96mb of RAM and that is likely the problem. > >David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 17:02:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13898 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19949; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:00:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19839; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19827; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA07246; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:00:07 -1000 Message-ID: <006601bda2d7$e75de280$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "Raybay" Cc: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Printers Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:01:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >The quality of black and white print has been in very small increments >in the Hewlett Packard since the 600 series... but this new 890 has >a very fine improvement in color. However, it uses exactly the same B&W print engine as the HP870/820, differing only in speed. For anyone looking for a text-only printer and running windows, the 820 at $180 is a remarkable deal, which is why I bought mine (instead of getting another Epson). (I do keep hoping that HP will carry one of their portable printers at their outlet store.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 17:17:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14092 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20459; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:14:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20331; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20317; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bulldog (paix-sds-gw5-60.ncal.verio.com [207.21.130.187]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07820 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199806282114.OAA07820@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> X-Sender: sandy1@pop.ncal.verio.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 14:14:38 -0700 To: thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Sandy Meltzer Subject: BIOS Memory test...was Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... In-Reply-To: <000c01bda2cb$8d1275e0$041f46c6@rkarp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello all, I saw a similar problem with my brand-new 770ED a couple of weeks ago and thought I had a bad unit. As it turns out, my 770ED was fine except for a bad 64Mb dimm module from "Simple Technology" which I replaced with a genuine IBM 64Mb dimm....for a total of 128Mb. The bad memory problem showed up when running applications under Win95. The BIOS memory test seemed to confirm the memory problem because it "appeared" to hang during the testing procedute. Unfortunately, the memory test did the same when the bad dimm was replaced with the new IBM 64Mb dimm. Thinking I had a bad unit, I called IBM tech support (in the middle of the night:) before returning the unit for repair. I explained my technical problem to the IBM tech and asked how long should it take to run the BIOS memory test. He initially said it only takes a few minutes to run the memory test, but wasn't a 100% sure...so he put me on hold while he and his supervisor tried running the BIOS memory test on a 770E they had on hand (with less memory)...confirming that the memory test was actually taking much longer then anticipated. After talking to IBM, I decided to rerun the memory test and just let it run. Although it looked like it was hung again, it did actually complete the test procedure in about 45 minutes or so. I didn't have to return my 770ED for repair afterall, the new IBM 64Mb dimm is working fine and the ThinkPad has been very stable. My only complaint is that IBM should better document its BIOS tests (especially the memory test) and better train their frontline support people... so we know what to expect when running these tests. The memory test itself appears to work fine...it just isn't documented. --sandy sandy@sandy.com At 02:32 PM 6/28/98 -0500, you wrote: >I had the same situation with my 770E and both myself and IBM Tech Support >were pretty sure it was indeed a problem. Even with both DIMMs removed, so >that only the system board memory remained, the test would appear to hang >exactly as you describe. IBM even sent me the previous BIOS and I >downgraded my system but with the same result. I wound up reinstalling the >upgraded BIOS and rerunning the tests. The bottom line is that there was >*no problem* after all. For some reason, the darned test just takes a >*long, long* time to run. My machine has 160Mb of RAM and the test took 1 >hr. 10 min. to complete. I suggest you rerun the test and just wait (and >wait, and wait ...). If, after an hour, you still see no progress, then I >would call IBM Tech Support. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 18:20:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14919 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22329; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:15:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21845; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21831; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-006-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.102]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07958; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:15:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3596C087.9927E305@cia-g.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:15:35 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: rj , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Printers References: <006601bda2d7$e75de280$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Well that brings up a point more appropriate to this list. Which company makes the best portable printer? I have the Canon 10, 10e, 70, 80, and Diconix. I have never used th HP 340. Does Epson or anyone else make GOOD portable printers. I understand Canon now has a very light Canon 50 which uses the same ink cartridge as the 70 and 80 and has a scanner but is much, much lighter. The Canon 70 is now discontinued but available for under $189 The Canon 80 is $279 or $349 with scanner. The Canon 50 is $300 with scanner.... all according to price watch. The HP 340 is $349. The discontinued Canon 10 and 10e are solid printers, rugged, but slow and no color. None that I know of pause to allow you to change the ink cartridge. Speed is important to me and no portable I have uses prints rapidly in black and white Is there anything new? Any recommendations on these? > (I do keep hoping that HP will carry one of their portable printers at their outlet store.) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 18:21:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14924 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22337; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:17:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22012; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21991; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-006-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.102]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07996; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:17:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3596C111.C765E359@cia-g.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:17:54 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sandy Meltzer CC: thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BIOS Memory test...was Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... References: <199806282114.OAA07820@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu What do you use? What are the procedures to run the memory test? Are memory tests available on all IBM Thinkpads? Ray Bayles Sandy Meltzer wrote: > Hello all, > > I saw a similar problem with my brand-new 770ED a couple of weeks ago and > thought I had a bad unit. As it turns out, my 770ED was fine except for a > bad 64Mb dimm module from "Simple Technology" which I replaced with a > genuine IBM 64Mb dimm....for a total of 128Mb. > > The bad memory problem showed up when running applications under Win95. > The BIOS memory test seemed to confirm the memory problem because it > "appeared" to hang during the testing procedute. Unfortunately, the memory > test did the same when the bad dimm was replaced with the new IBM 64Mb dimm. > > Thinking I had a bad unit, I called IBM tech support (in the middle of the > night:) before returning the unit for repair. I explained my technical > problem to the IBM tech and asked how long should it take to run the BIOS > memory test. He initially said it only takes a few minutes to run the > memory test, but wasn't a 100% sure...so he put me on hold while he and his > supervisor tried running the BIOS memory test on a 770E they had on hand > (with less memory)...confirming that the memory test was actually taking > much longer then anticipated. After talking to IBM, I decided to rerun the > memory test and just let it run. Although it looked like it was hung > again, it did actually complete the test procedure in about 45 minutes or so. > > I didn't have to return my 770ED for repair afterall, the new IBM 64Mb dimm > is working fine and the ThinkPad has been very stable. > > My only complaint is that IBM should better document its BIOS tests > (especially the memory test) and better train their frontline support > people... so we know what to expect when running these tests. The memory > test itself appears to work fine...it just isn't documented. > > --sandy > sandy@sandy.com > > At 02:32 PM 6/28/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I had the same situation with my 770E and both myself and IBM Tech Support > >were pretty sure it was indeed a problem. Even with both DIMMs removed, so > >that only the system board memory remained, the test would appear to hang > >exactly as you describe. IBM even sent me the previous BIOS and I > >downgraded my system but with the same result. I wound up reinstalling the > >upgraded BIOS and rerunning the tests. The bottom line is that there was > >*no problem* after all. For some reason, the darned test just takes a > >*long, long* time to run. My machine has 160Mb of RAM and the test took 1 > >hr. 10 min. to complete. I suggest you rerun the test and just wait (and > >wait, and wait ...). If, after an hour, you still see no progress, then I > >would call IBM Tech Support. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 18:59:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15598 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23529; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:57:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23370; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23302; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts21.loop.net (p09.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.246]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA28230; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806282254.PAA28230@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "h.milz@seneca.muc.de" , "Harald Milz" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 15:56:27 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Jun 98 12:00 CEST, Harald Milz wrote: >Mark E Hood (mehood@mindspring.com) wrote: >> or just look at the headers from any message from this list. > >Too complicated. On the Usenet, it's easier to ask someone else before >trying and reading yourself. It just takes longer to get the right answer. > How could something so simple be so complicated? Maybe we should have it posted at the bottom of each message. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 18:59:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15603 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23518; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:56:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23254; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23226; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p09.hwts21.loop.net (p09.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.246]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA28187; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 15:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806282254.PAA28187@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "DietrichWT@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 15:55:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Dos7 or Warp3 with 710t (pen) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 13:12:14 EDT, DietrichWT@aol.com wrote: >Hi, this is germany callin . Got a big problem ! I m tryin to install Dos7 or > Warp3 >on my thinkpad 710T. Warp3 couldn t be installed becaus a failure message >comes up an tell me that the setup can t find any HDD !? >I ve installed Dos 6.22 an Win95 before without problems (only there is no >Pen-support !). What s the problem ?? j >IBM PC Dos7 could be installed with the option for pen-Support on my 710T >but----it doesn t work. The PenDos menu doesn t pops up. I reinstalled it five >times with many other options....no way ! The pen-support doesn t work. > >Am I a idiot...or what s the fact ???? What model of 710T do you have? I also have one of these, but don't have the AC adapter for it, and would also like Warp 3 on it as well. What kind of error do you get? Is it after the Maintainence Desktop starts up, or while still installing OS/2 in VIO(text), or after the install? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 20:00:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16391 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25405; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:57:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25267; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25245; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-196-199.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-196-199.il.us.ibm.net [32.100.196.199]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA48966 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:56:47 GMT From: moc@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:56:46 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: moc@ibm.net Message-ID: <3596d6da.10521345@smtp2.ibm.net> References: <199806282254.PAA28230@ritchie.loop.com> In-Reply-To: <199806282254.PAA28230@ritchie.loop.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Jun 98 15:56:27 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jun 98 12:00 CEST, Harald Milz wrote: > >>Mark E Hood (mehood@mindspring.com) wrote: >>> or just look at the headers from any message from this list. >> >>Too complicated. On the Usenet, it's easier to ask someone else before >>trying and reading yourself. It just takes longer to get the right answer. >> >How could something so simple be so complicated? Maybe we should have >it posted at the bottom of each message. May as well, I belong to eleven mailing lists and since the beginning of the month, I started throwing unsubscribe requests in the junk mail folder. Total since the beginning of the month - Thinkpad list - 22, the other *ten* lists - 2. Sheesh. WTF. -- Stan Mocek moc@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 20:46:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17111 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27047; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:43:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26876; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26863; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA10241; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:43:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: Stan Mocek cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <3596d6da.10521345@smtp2.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A lot of the unscribes were college students going on their summer break. They'll be back > May as well, I belong to eleven mailing lists and since the beginning > of the month, I started throwing unsubscribe requests in the junk mail > folder. Total since the beginning of the month - Thinkpad list - 22, > the other *ten* lists - 2. Sheesh. WTF. > Stan Mocek From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 21:20:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17580 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28423; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:18:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28286; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28242; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p00.hwts21.loop.net (p00.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.237]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA03143; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:16:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806290116.SAA03143@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Raybay" , "Stan Mocek" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 18:18:05 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trying to unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:43:36 -0600 (MDT), Raybay wrote: >A lot of the unscribes were college students >going on their summer break. They'll be >back And they can't figure out how to unsubscribe, yet they're able to be in college? Okay, back to usual stuff... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 21:28:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17723 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28813; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:27:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28705; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28693; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip166-72-213-149 (slip166-72-213-149.ut.us.ibm.net [166.72.213.149]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA75644 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:27:14 GMT Message-ID: <3596ED45.360D@ibm.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:26:29 -0400 From: "Lawrence J. Schipper" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (OS/2; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe lschipp@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 22:13:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA18497 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00383; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:11:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00262; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00250; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg131-026.ricochet.net [204.179.131.26]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA10029; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002a01bda303$60f5e900$1a83b3cc@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Ray Bayles" , "Sandy Meltzer" Cc: Subject: Re: BIOS Memory test...was Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 19:12:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Turn your ThinkPad off. Turn it back on again, while holding down the F1 key. This is documented on page 144 in the IBM ThinkPad 600 User's Reference. What is not documented is what is does, how long it takes or even what a pass or fail looks like! This is a flaw in IBM's otherwise quite superb support. A minor nit overall. I still think ThinkPads are around the best deal on the planet. Click test and stand back for at least 45 minutes. If everything is cool, the tests will all show OK underneath the icons. David -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bayles To: Sandy Meltzer Cc: thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, June 28, 1998 3:19 PM Subject: Re: BIOS Memory test...was Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... >What do you use? What are the procedures to run the >memory test? Are memory tests available on all IBM >Thinkpads? > >Ray Bayles > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 23:02:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19214 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01912; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:00:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01745; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01731; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.50.76] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.248) with esmtp for sender: id ; Sun, 28 Jun 98 22:00:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <359702F8.110536D3@airmail.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:59:04 -0500 From: "John E. Black II" Reply-To: jblack1@airmail.net Organization: J.B. Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: [TP760CD] Display and WIN95???? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just completed changing out some memory. I did have the 8mb on the mother board and an additional 8 on the expansion board. I got 2 - 32mb dimms to put on the expansion board. They tested out fine. I can bring the machine up using the standard VGA display setting, as soon as I change the display setting back to the IBM trident so that I can use more colors the system will not boot. Actually I think it is booting I just cannot see a legible screen to tell that the system has booted. The machine goes through the startup process, I see the WIN95 startup window, after that there is a flicker of a screen that looks like it is divide into 3 portions and contains some kind of graphical stuff. BTW, does anyone know what is causing that flicker, is it something within WIN95 or the TP drivers? Has anyone been through this and had any luck short of having to reload windows. I am assuming that since the 8mb on the motherboard has been mapped out, at this point I have a driver that is actually looking for an address space on that chip. THX in advance, JEB From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Jun 28 23:45:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA19854 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03233; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:43:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03089; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03071; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMLAPTOP (AMLAPTOP [202.27.179.250]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ka281850 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:43:37 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01bda310$a44a9f40$fab31bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Windows 95 Fuel Guage Program Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:47:02 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Giday, I just upgraded a few files on my ThinkPad 770. Unfortunately the new windows 95 fuel program that was installed is not as nice as the old one. The new one does not make the button disappear from the task bar when minimized, while the version I had before did. I like having this program running all the time, gives me times on the batteries nicely, but really don't like having it so visible. If anyone was the version that disappears (except for the icon in the system tray) when minimized I would really appreciate a copy of it by e-mail. It's at: c:\thinkpad\Fuelw32.exe Thanks, Andreas!! :-) PS. Don't you just love IBM's updates??!! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 01:26:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21367 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11794; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11537; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11520; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-113-186.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.113.186]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id FAA69090; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 05:23:15 GMT Message-ID: <359724BF.A76EA174@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:11 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, pekkaa@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Ring Central + TP 600 = Problem -- Not for me. References: <003e01bda1f5$d216a200$746b5ecf@pekkaa.ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The telephone function of Ring Central works fine for me, in fact I was surprised by the good quality of the connection. I didn't change any of the original settings. Could it be a problem with your particular computer? Friedrich Huebler > Pekka L. Aro wrote: > > Folks, > > Has anyone gotten this combo to work with voice? My fax is OK but the > phone is dead. It seems to connect OK, but no sound - in (speakers) > or out (mic). I've spent 5-6 hours on it with IBM tech support and > they cannot figure it out either. I've reinstalled both RingCentral > and TP modem drivers already per IBM's advice. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > As much as I love the form and functionality of the 600, it looks like > the machine is a potential compatibility nightmare. In this case with > its preloaded software!!! > > TIA, > > Pekka From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 01:26:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA21362 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11797; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11500; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11481; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 01:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12283; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806290520.WAA12283@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David Ross" , "Ray Bayles" Cc: "rj" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 28 Jun 98 22:22:21 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Printers Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >never used th HP 340. Does Epson or anyone else >make GOOD portable printers. I don't think Epson does, but there's Mannesman Tally, Kodak (I think), Pentax, Canon (of course), and a while ago, IBM/Lexmark. In fact, the Lexmark 4070 is just an OEMed Canon 10 or 10e. > >The Canon 70 is now discontinued but available for under $189 >The Canon 80 is $279 or $349 with scanner. The Canon 50 is >$300 with scanner.... all according to price watch. The HP 340 is >$349. > >The discontinued Canon 10 and 10e are solid printers, rugged, but >slow and no color. > >None that I know of pause to allow you to change >the ink cartridge. Speed is important to me and no >portable I have uses prints rapidly in black and white > How about 3ppm? That's what my PocketJet does. The only disadvantage is that I can only use single sided thermal paper, but it's still much faster than other printers I've seen, smaller, and I don't have to continually buy any ink cartridges. But it is a little expensive, though - $399. They might include more RAM with it now (I got mine about 2.5 years ago, and it came with 512K). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 02:49:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA22454 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17578; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:46:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17400; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17388; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 02:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id XAA27496 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:46:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 23:46:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199806290646.XAA27496@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dec hinote ultra 2000 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Someone on this list mentioned a few days ago that they'd had one---could that person please contact me and tell me what you thought of it? I've been offered one at a pretty good price. Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 03:14:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA22734 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18487; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:11:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18281; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (mail1.kyoto.xaxon-net.or.jp [210.173.76.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18269; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pii-266 (ppp001.kyoto.xaxon-net.or.jp [210.173.76.33]) by mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (8.8.7/3.6W) with SMTP id QAA20456 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:11:03 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199806290711.QAA20456@mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp> From: "John Goodman" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:07:07 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: TP 600 Odd boot & etc. Reply-to: jgood@well.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <199806282114.OAA07820@mailhub1.ncal.verio.com> References: <000c01bda2cb$8d1275e0$041f46c6@rkarp> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01a) Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings All, My new TP600 has taken to occasionally booting in this strange manner: Installed memory (32mb) figure appears at screen upper left POST beep black screen for a few seconds two beeps, one second intervals (pitched an octave above the POST beep) Installed memory screen reappears another POST beep regular boot process begins (PC card drivers load, Win95 eventually comes up). Twice, an error message was displayed on a DOS type screen, #08611, after the two beeps. When this occurred, I re-set the machine, tried booting again, and the above sequence followed. The TP600 Hardware Maintenance Manual is a good source for info, but aside from finding out that an 8611 error is a system bus error, it seems there's not much I can do except live with the situation for the time being. The only non-standard features of my machine are that I switched to FAT32 (using cvt.exe), and moved the hibernation file to the last part of the disk (using Norton Speed Disk). The above beep combination isn't exactly described in the document, and after Win95 comes up, everything seems fine. Any ideas as to what to do? I ran the system board, memory, & LCD screen tests, and they passed. BTW, when checking memory in the advanced diagnostic mode, you can watch the glacial progress, as 32K areas tick by one at a time. A couple of LCD questions. There's a considerable difference in perceived brightness in the vertical dimension. When viewing graphic images full screen, the upper edge will be too dark, the lower edge washed out, when the middle area is just right. Battery or AC, any brightness setting. Is this just the nature of the beast? Also, why didn't IBM see fit to give the machine 4mb video memory? Wouldn't have added that much weight . Last, does anyone know of a couple (freeware?) Win95 utilities that would (1) bring up the start menu at the cursor location when the desktop is left clicked, and (2) automatically send the cursor to the default button in dialog boxes. The former is a feature with Diamond video cards, the latter with my old Tecra, and I find both very convenient. TIA John Goodman From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 03:19:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA22778 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18937; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:17:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18838; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18826; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA09929; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:17:40 -1000 Message-ID: <002901bda32e$2ba37e40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: [TP760CD] Display and WIN95???? Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:18:46 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >dimms to put on the expansion board. They tested out fine. I can bring >the machine up using the standard VGA display setting, as soon as I >change the display setting back to the IBM trident so that I can use >more colors the system will not boot. [snip] >The machine goes through the startup process, I see the WIN95 startup >window, after that there is a flicker of a screen that looks like it is >divide into 3 portions and contains some kind of graphical stuff. I had something similar happen on my 560, when I accidentally selected a forbidden color depth from the taskbar menu the IBM drivers so thoughtfully put there. Your system is probably trying a similarly forbidden video mode. The easiest solution is to reinstall the IBM drivers from your system. (If this doesn't help, then you might first have to expunge these drivers from your system and also wipe the database files from the windows\inf subdirectory - otherwise some drivers don't quite disappear.) This should be possible as long as you are satisfactorily able to boot up in standard VGA mode. (In my case, I couldn't even do this, and had to hack the registry file from within DOS.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 03:59:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA23193 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20993; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:57:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20852; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rz-sfs2 (rz-sfs.fh-sw.de [192.129.23.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20840; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 03:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fh-sw.de by rz-sfs2 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03059; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:51:57 +0200 Message-ID: <35974AC4.8F81B4C9@fh-sw.de> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:05:24 +0200 From: Tobias Redelberger Organization: FH-SW X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 08:23:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25954 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02945; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:16:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02703; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02684; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA29388; Mon, 29 Jun 98 08:15:31 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35978559.84F0456F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:15:21 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jgood@well.com Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 Odd boot & etc. References: <000c01bda2cb$8d1275e0$041f46c6@rkarp> <199806290711.QAA20456@mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've seen this same beeping and double booting on my TP600 occasionally. I think it occurs when you reboot after changing settings with the ThinkPad configuration program, but that is just my guess. I have not seen any error messages, and it hasn't been a problem for me. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 09:36:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA26928 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07048; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:31:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06744; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06722; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id IAA02267; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:28:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3597972E.30B0E35D@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 Jun 1998 13:30:45 UT Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:31:26 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linn Skipper CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Running mouse pointer References: <35968D9D.136@ftc-i.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It wasn't me that posted about this before, but I have had this experience. On a 755Cs and several 760ELs with an external mouse I've had the pointer just start moving to the left quite quickly for no reason. I diagnosed the problem to be an old version of the mouse. It was a Microsoft mouse, but one from several years back (from the era when the plastic housing was textured and beige instead of smooth and white). Using a newer Microsoft mouse cured the problem. I don't believe I ever had specific drivers (other than those built into Win95) for the mice, so that might have fixed the problem too. Another mouse issue I've noticed is with the TrackPoint on several models (755Cs, 760EL, 770). Occasionally the pointer will start drifting slowly in a random direction. I usually rebooted on the older machines, but the 770 has drivers that auto-correct if you leave the TrackPoint alone for 2-3 seconds. HTH, Rob Linn Skipper wrote: > > I seem to remeber a while back that someone was having a problem with a > external mouse plugged into a THinkpad (mine is a 750C) and the mouse > pointer taking off accross the screen with no user input. I don't > remeber what the fix was (if any). > > Thanks > > Linn Skipper > askipper@ftc-i.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 09:42:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27007 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07966; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:40:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07754; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07736; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash1-75.flash.net [209.30.74.75]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00127 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:40:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <359799CD.4CED3EE4@flash.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:42:37 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: trying to unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > >going on their summer break. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 11:14:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28353 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15433; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:11:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15292; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15262; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22379; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:11:34 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA26080; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:11:37 -0700 (MST) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:11:37 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199806291511.IAA26080@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: TP 600 Odd boot & etc. Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 29 05:20 MST 1998 > I've seen this same beeping and double booting on my TP600 > occasionally. I think it occurs when you reboot after changing settings > with the ThinkPad configuration program, but that is just my guess. > I have not seen any error messages, and it hasn't been a problem for me. > > --Lee Hetherington > > > My 765D does the same thing, especially when I have been docked (SelectaDock 2) and then take it home and connect it to a PC card enabler. I think the PC card enabler has a different PCMICA controller so the BIOS setup stuff runs (my best guess). It does the double booting when I redock. Doesn't double boot with a SelectaDock 3 so it is a bit confusing ... My 765D has the latest BIOS before the Win98 update. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 11:24:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28584 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16395; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:22:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16255; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16232; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mmurphre (user-38h1u9o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.249.56]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA10761 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael M Murphree" To: Subject: 755CD/Dock1 Mouse creep Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:21:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bda371$8ed68fa0$38f910d1@mmurphre> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just got a dock 1 for my thinkpad, but when I'm using a PS2 mouse on the dock1 the mouse "creeps" almost constantly. The only way around this I can think of is to disable the trackpoint, but I use the thinkpad as much off of the Dock1 as on it. Any suggestions? Thanks much, Michael M Murphree From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 11:41:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA28879 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17795; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:39:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17633; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17614; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id KAA08148; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:36:18 -0500 Message-ID: <3597B537.AFF87D85@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 Jun 1998 15:38:50 UT Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:39:35 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael M Murphree , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CD/Dock1 Mouse creep References: <000001bda371$8ed68fa0$38f910d1@mmurphre> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If your PC has Win95 or WinNT (as the majority of PCs do), then you could set up separate hardware profiles that have your TrackPoint disabled in the docked configuration and enabled in the undocked configuration. If this isn't a good option for you, you could try a different mouse. As I stated in an earlier post today about mice problems, I've seen older Microsoft mice that caused this problem when newer ones didn't (all else being equal with the PC). Good luck, Rob Michael M Murphree wrote: > > I just got a dock 1 for my thinkpad, but when I'm using a PS2 mouse on the > dock1 the mouse "creeps" almost constantly. The only way around this I can > think of is to disable the trackpoint, but I use the thinkpad as much off of > the Dock1 as on it. Any suggestions? > > Thanks much, > > Michael M Murphree -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 12:55:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA00429 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22100; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:53:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21973; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21961; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 12:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806291653.MAA21961@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 28 Jun 1988 9:50:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "David W. Taylor" , "thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 09:53:24 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BIOS memory check on TP 600... Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In the memory test, you have to wait a very long time. Give it 5-10 minutes beforre you panic. On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:27:14 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >As part of the 1.01 (6/23/98) BIOS upgrade for the ThinkPad 600, the >documentation suggests running the full set of tests for all of the >components. > >When the tests get to the memory test on my machine, the indicator advances >twice and makes loud beep sounds and then hangs. Does this indicate a >memory error? I would have expected a diagnostic message telling me that >the test is unable to read or write a memory address and not a hang. > >Could someone else please try the tests on a ThinkPad 600 (mine is a >PII-233, but I doubt it matters) and let me know if the same occurs? Just >restart and keep the F1 key pressed until the BIOS screen appears. > >The machine SEEMS to be working beautifully but I am concerned that I may >have a faulty unit, that has not failed yet, but will do soon. > >David > > ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 14:28:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02142 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27503; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:25:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27346; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27317; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:25:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199806291825.OAA27317@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:23:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:09:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has IBM made the TP600 available with the 6+GB drive yet? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 14:35:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02268 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28233; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:33:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28121; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.mainnet.com (mainnet.com [207.105.52.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28105; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loki ([207.105.53.245]) by news.mainnet.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 346 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:29:42 -0700 Sender: root@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <3597DADB.41C6@mainnet.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:20:11 -0700 From: Thomas Briggs X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01SGoldC-SGI (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 14:55:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02601 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29768; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:53:45 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29590; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA13968; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28844; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id NAA17983; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3597E085.2C12F25B@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 29 Jun 1998 18:43:36 UT Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:44:21 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 References: <199806291825.OAA27317@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > Has IBM made the TP600 available with the 6+GB drive yet? Not according to IBM's web site or a PC reseller like PC Connection. However, the 770 has drives up to 8.1GB (or 16.2GB with another drive in the UltraBay). Rob -------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 15:28:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03200 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03168; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02970; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02943; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA02201; Mon, 29 Jun 98 15:22:53 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3597E98D.CC657DAA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:22:53 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell Cc: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600 References: <199806291825.OAA27317@CS.UTK.EDU> <3597E085.2C12F25B@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The 6.4GB disk is currently available as an upgrade for the TP600 (we have one on order, but they don't seem to be really in stock yet). However, I haven't seen a TP600 with the 6.4GB as the original disk yet. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 16:10:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA03887 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05814; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05581; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (rj@chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05505; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16624 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:05:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 16:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Printers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Thanks to all for their comments and advice. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 17:57:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05587 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12359; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12154; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12135; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-192.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.192]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA18658 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:53:56 GMT Message-Id: <199806292153.VAA18658@out1.ibm.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:57:04 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am looking for a snug fitting computer case a la the Kensington Wetsuit for my Thinkpad 770 with the 14.1" screen. Unfortunately the Wetsuit does not come large enough for the 770. Does anyone have suggestions as to alternative snug fitting cases that might work? Perhaps Body Glove should make laptop computer cases. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 03:33pm MDT on 06/29/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 19:03:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA06812 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15027; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:01:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14872; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14860; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (140.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.140]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA04872; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35981D00.E8946729@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:02:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Michael Stolp" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit References: <199806292153.VAA18658@out1.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu go to a dive shop with the 770.. have one made up.. :-) J. Michael Stolp wrote: > I am looking for a snug fitting computer case a la the Kensington > Wetsuit for my Thinkpad 770 with the 14.1" screen. > > Unfortunately the Wetsuit does not come large enough for the 770. > > Does anyone have suggestions as to alternative snug fitting cases > that might work? > > Perhaps Body Glove should make laptop computer cases. > > Warmest Regards. > Mike > > J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner > Registered Investment Advisor > Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque > mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com > Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 > > Written at 03:33pm MDT on 06/29/98. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 20:48:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA08618 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02716; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:47:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02600; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02579; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 20:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a45.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.237]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06426; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:47:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <359835A8.5007540F@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 17:47:36 -0700 From: James Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: New BIOS support for Win98 References: <3592E42B.925F2032@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill, Those files are for the 770 series ONLY! The upgrades and fixes might for all Thinkpads might need to be upgraded for the "installation" of Windows 98. For instance, there are many new files for the 760C/E/X Thinkpads and can be found at: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/6556.html James From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Jun 29 22:08:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10014 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05614; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05481; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05466; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p04.hwts21.loop.net (p04.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.241]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA22228; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:05:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806300205.TAA22228@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "paphbob@flash.net" , "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 19:07:06 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: trying to unsubscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Even after all the discussion in this forum, we are getting unsubscribe >messages coming to the list. FWIW, I get mail from other listserv's, and >they all have unsubscribe instructions appended to the bottom of each >message. Another thing, this is the only list I am in where trying to reply >to a message brings up the sender's address and not the list address. > I might note that the same happens to me, but only one list allows me to either reply to the sender, or the list itself. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 00:28:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12308 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11576; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:27:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11490; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11478; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11048; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:26:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: Bill Morrow cc: "J. Michael Stolp" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit In-Reply-To: <35981D00.E8946729@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Is the "snug fit" a concern due to outside dimensions, or snug on the inside? On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > go to a dive shop with the 770.. > have one made up.. :-) > > J. Michael Stolp wrote: > > > I am looking for a snug fitting computer case a la the Kensington > > Wetsuit for my Thinkpad 770 with the 14.1" screen. > > > > Unfortunately the Wetsuit does not come large enough for the 770. > > > > Does anyone have suggestions as to alternative snug fitting cases > > that might work? > > > > Perhaps Body Glove should make laptop computer cases. > > > > Warmest Regards. > > Mike > > > > J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner > > Registered Investment Advisor > > Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque > > mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com > > Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 > > > > Written at 03:33pm MDT on 06/29/98. > > > > -- > Happy Trails... :-) > ** Bill Morrow ** > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > Win95B & Win98-RC2 > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 00:37:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA12511 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12034; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:36:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11942; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11930; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11246 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:36:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:36:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Raybay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux In-Reply-To: <3597DADB.41C6@mainnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have acquired another 5 Mb drive on which I would like to fdisk with a C drive, a D drive and an E drive with Windows 98 on one, DOS one other, and Linux on the third partition. I might even split my 3 Mg drive too... as my work requires all three operating systems... and sometimes OS/2 Is there a simple way to do this so when I boot up I can declare whether I want to go with Windows, DOS, or Linux? People here tell me I will have to buy some software that controls the switching, but nobody knows the name of the software, and I'm not sure software is required. Any of you smarter guys have any advice? Ray Bayles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 01:09:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13111 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13102; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:09:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13000; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12988; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA15670; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:08:44 -1000 Message-ID: <003201bda3e5$53572420$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math> From: "David Ross" To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:09:52 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I am looking for a snug fitting computer case a la the Kensington >Wetsuit for my Thinkpad 770 with the 14.1" screen. Zing designs also makes (made?) neoprene computer bags, but my bookmark for their page (www.zingdesigns.com) is giving me a socket error right now. Their stuff is usually sold by photo stores (their Gitzo SLR covers have been popular for decades). Levenger has a leather soft cover that might fit the 770. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 01:16:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13197 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13523; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:16:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13394; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13382; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash4-51.flash.net [209.30.75.51]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27361 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:15:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35987517.9C9E5512@flash.net> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:18:15 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: trying to unsubscribe References: <199806300205.TAA22228@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul Khoury wrote: > I might note that the same happens to me, but only one list allows > me to either reply to the sender, or the list itself. And this isn't it... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 01:47:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13652 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14510; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:46:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14417; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14394; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA10384; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:02:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:02:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: Raybay cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Raybay wrote: > I have acquired another 5 Mb drive on which I would like > to fdisk with a C drive, a D drive and an E drive with Windows 98 > on one, DOS one other, and Linux on the third partition. I might > even split my 3 Mg drive too... as my work requires all three > operating systems... and sometimes OS/2 Win98, Linux and DOS on one 5 MB drive?!? You must have that new Super-Duper 100:1 disk compression software. ;-) > Is there a simple way to do this so when I > boot up I can declare whether I want to go with > Windows, DOS, or Linux? Yes, either buy a third party boot manager like, Boot Commander, or preferably, use the Boot Manager from OS/2 or LILO from Linux. > People here tell me I will have to buy some software > that controls the switching, but nobody knows the name > of the software, and I'm not sure software is required. Boot Manager and LILO are free... well, LILO is free, Boot Manager comes with Warp. > Any of you smarter guys have any advice? Sure. Be careful. It can be very tricky to do multiboot. First, I an making the assumption your actually have a 500 MB and 300 MB hard drives, or 5 GB and 3 GB. I'll use 500 MB and 300MB. Since the 500MB drive is probably newer and faster, I would set it up as the primary hard drive and the 300 as the second. Next, because I personnally prefer using OS/2's Boot Manager, I would recommend doing the bulk of you setup in OS/2. First, boot the OS/2 disks. Using fdisk, install the Boot Manager, create 2 primary partitions and two extended partitions. Reboot, and install OS/2 on the first extended partiton (drive d:)... Add this partiton to the Boot Manager menu. If you use version 3, you need a minimum of 35 megs, Warp 4, a minimum of 100 MB. Format D: as HPFS. Only partition the first drive, leave the second for later. After booting into Warp a few times, and being sure that the installation has calmed down, you may run fdisk, and set the first primary partition as active. Get a DOS bootable floppy, boot DOS, and install DOS, but don't let DOS destroy your current partitions. Install DOS on the first primary partition. Boot into DOS, run fdisk, and set the second primary partition as active. Get a WIN98 bootable floppy, Boot and install Windows 98, again, don't let WIN98 destroy your current partitions... Win98 will notice OS/2 and the Boot Manager and will disable them... don't worry about that right now. Install Win98 on the second primary partition. Get your Linux boot disks. Boot Linux and install Linux on your second extended partition. Obviously, format Linux as ext2-fs. Now, boot from a DOS floppy again, run fdisk, and set the Boot Manager partition as active. Boot again, this time going into OS/2. Run fdisk and Add the DOS, Win98 and Linux partitions to the Boot Manager. Also, partition and format the second, 300 MB drive as wanted... format it as FAT. With this setup, you get around limitations such as DOS and Win98's insistance to be on the first DOS-readable partition of the first drive, and you keep Win98 from screwing around with your DOS, OS/2 and Linux drives. The partitions on the second drive are used for common data. DOS will see the boot disk as C:, data on D: WIN98 will also see the boot as C:, data on D: OS/2 will see either the DOS or WIN98 (whichever was booted last) as C:, the OS/2 boot disk as D:, and data as E: For bonus points, you could load the OS/2 ext2-fs file system and read you Linux partition. Linux will see any drive wherever you place the drives in the drives tree, provided you are running the needed file systems. Have fun... ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 01:59:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA13834 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15029; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:58:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14922; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14909; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1s6n.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.240.215]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA25757 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701bda3eb$b9683be0$d7f010d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" To: Subject: OS/2 Warp V.4 on ThinkPad 310ED (Linux too?) model 2600-BoU Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 00:55:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Howdy, I am wondering if anyone on the list has successfully installed and is using Warp 4 on a thinkpad 310ED? This windows stuff is really getting old, and I have ordered a copy of Warp. Any advice? Tricks, tips? I am currently running Windows 98 (final) on a FAT16 drive. (2.1GB) (mod. 2600-B0U) Thanks a million, Mark E Hood Auburn, Alabama PS-any info on running Linux on this machine would be appreciated, too. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 02:10:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14140 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15472; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:09:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15377; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15364; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a25.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.153]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA09399; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:09:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806300609.XAA09399@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 23:13:29 -0700 To: "Mark E Hood" , In-Reply-To: <000701bda3eb$b9683be0$d7f010d1@mehood.mindspring.com> Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp V.4 on ThinkPad 310ED (Linux too?) model 2600-BoU X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <000701bda3eb$b9683be0$d7f010d1@mehood.mindspring.com>, on 06/30/98 at 12:55 AM, "Mark E Hood" said: >Howdy, > I am wondering if anyone on the list has successfully installed and >is using Warp 4 on a thinkpad 310ED? This windows stuff is really >getting old, and I have ordered a copy of Warp. Any advice? Tricks, >tips? I am currently running Windows 98 (final) on a FAT16 drive. >(2.1GB) (mod. 2600-B0U) Thanks a million, >Mark E Hood >Auburn, Alabama Get the OS/2 drivers and head over to http://www.tpwarper.com and follow the steps on that site. >PS-any info on running Linux on this machine would be appreciated, >too. Don't know about LINUX on that particular Thinkpad. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 02:22:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14303 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16049; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:21:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15940; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15927; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:20:27 -0400 Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from falkor (midtown-dnnqj-004.compuserve.net [209.154.65.4] (may be forged)) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.3) with SMTP id CAA21802; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980630021821.00845e30@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: heiby@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:18:21 -0400 To: Raybay From: Ron Heiby Subject: Re: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux Cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <3597DADB.41C6@mainnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 10:36 PM 6/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >People here tell me I will have to buy some software >that controls the switching, but nobody knows the name >of the software, and I'm not sure software is required. There are commercial packages that do this. But, I thought that most decent Linux distributions came with such software. -- Ron. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 02:57:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14728 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17222; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:56:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17078; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17061; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mehood (user-38h1s6n.dialup.mindspring.com [209.16.240.215]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA21846; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 02:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bda3f3$bd446b00$d7f010d1@mehood.mindspring.com> From: "Mark E Hood" To: "Raybay" Cc: Subject: Re: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:53:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, System Commander has worked well for me. It's made by Vcomm software, i believe. Also, the os/2 boot manager is also included with Partition Magic by PowerQuest. And, it does partitioning on the fly, without loss of data, so you might want to check that out. hth, mark e hood auburn, alabama -----Original Message----- From: Ron Heiby To: Raybay Cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 1:24 AM Subject: Re: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux >At 10:36 PM 6/29/98 -0600, you wrote: >>People here tell me I will have to buy some software >>that controls the switching, but nobody knows the name >>of the software, and I'm not sure software is required. > >There are commercial packages that do this. But, I thought that most decent >Linux distributions came with such software. > >-- >Ron. > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 03:05:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14866 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17962; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:04:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17888; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.33.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17876; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 03:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.1]) by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA43744 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:04:40 +0200 Received: from pauling.uke.uni-hamburg.de by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de; (5.65/imdm-2.0) id AA04077; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:06:40 +0200 Message-Id: <35988E00.2FD@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:04:32 +0200 From: Thorsten Jaekel Reply-To: jaekel@uke.uni-hamburg.de Organization: UKE Hamburg X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BIOS Memory test... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi everybody, this memory test thread reminds me of the testing behaviour of my TP750: The memory test always took a very long time (with 4MB, 12 MB, and 20MB), if I remember right it was more than 15 minutes, perhaps half an hour. I never got an error message of any kind. The test just took long, and seemed to hang, but eventually it would say OK under the icon and move on to the next item. (I never had a memory related problem anyway.) Now, does anyone know what these test actually do? What would a real error look like? Do the beeps mean anything? (I seem to remember beeps during the procedure, but I am not sure about that.) Thorsten From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 05:59:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA16664 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28885; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:57:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28780; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (root@tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.62.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28743; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 05:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de [130.149.237.33]) by tubkom.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA23264; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:53:53 +0200 (MESZ) Received: from localhost (michey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01901; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:18:51 +0200 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:18:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Eyrich X-Sender: michey@mekk To: Thorsten Jaekel cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: BIOS Memory test... In-Reply-To: <35988E00.2FD@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Thorsten Jaekel wrote: |Hi everybody, | |this memory test thread reminds me of the testing behaviour of my TP750: |The memory test always took a very long time (with 4MB, 12 MB, and |20MB), if I remember right it was more than 15 minutes, perhaps half an |hour. I never got an error message of any kind. The test just took long, |and seemed to hang, but eventually it would say OK under the icon and |move on to the next item. (I never had a memory related problem anyway.) | |Now, does anyone know what these test actually do? |What would a real error look like? |Do the beeps mean anything? (I seem to remember beeps during the |procedure, but I am not sure about that.) In my opinion the beeps are just a way to express, that the system is still running. My TP755cx behaves similar, but seems to always need about the same time for 24M (~10-15 minutes). As far as I remember I get 6 beeps, that's all 4M one beep. Regards, Michael -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 07:30:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA17591 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01660; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:29:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01559; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01526; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-400mhz (20715998170.bellatlantic.net [207.159.98.170]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id HAA17209 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980630072854.006f1bfc@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:28:54 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: ACP: Achieving an audible tone? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Currently running a 770 (9549-1AU).... The ACP internal modem works fine, but I want to hear it while it is connecting. I issued AT M3 L2, but I am still unable to hear it. Using a USR 56k x2, I hear the tones just fine. Does the Internal ACP patch the audio through the speakers? Second question, does the 770 share the DSP(ACP) between the sound and modem like the 760, or does it actually have seperate hardware, and the DSP(ACP) is strictly for communications? Thanks, Mark Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Voice: 609-293-9426 Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 08:42:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18401 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05304; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05069; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05044; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-32.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.32]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA35724 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:40:28 GMT Message-Id: <199806301240.MAA35724@out2.ibm.net> To: "Thinkpad List" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:44:07 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from "David Ross" Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:09:52 -1000 David, Thanks for the suggestions. > Zing designs also makes (made?) neoprene computer bags, but my > bookmark for their page (www.zingdesigns.com) is giving me a > socket error right now. Their stuff is usually sold by photo > stores (their Gitzo SLR covers have been popular for decades). I also ran into the same error in trying to access it. Web search did not turn up any newer address. I will keep trying. It's a good idea. > Levenger has a leather soft cover that might fit the 770. I have a Levenger catalog right here on the desk, and will check it out. We have enjoyed Levenger's stuff for a long time. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 06:43am MDT on 06/30/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 08:42:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18402 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05320; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05032; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05019; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-32.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.32]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA47432 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:40:22 GMT Message-Id: <199806301240.MAA47432@out2.ibm.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:44:00 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from Raybay Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:26:52 -0600 (MDT) > Is the "snug fit" a concern due to outside dimensions, or > snug on the inside? I assume your question is where/how is the Kensington Wetsuit too tight? If so, the problem is the outside dimensions. If the question is why do I want a snug fitting case, it is because I have a larger Tumi computer bag, and I want something to protect the Thinkpad from fingerprints, etc. when I take it out of the bag to use. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 06:35am MDT on 06/30/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 10:42:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19884 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13249; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:38:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12977; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com (imo30.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.74]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12951; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CQYFa26166 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <756cf398.3598f854@aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:38:11 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: CPU cooling pgms. truly increase battery life? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On comp.sys.laptops, a people are raving about "cpu cooling programs" called "Waterfall" and "Rain," claiming dramatic drops in laptop operating temperatures, and increases of 25% of battery running time. Has anyone here tried this on a ThinkPad? If so, are you getting results like these? (Also, they apparently cool desktop CPUs too...anyone tried it on a desktop machine?) Apparently these programs only provide these advantages under Windows 95/98; Win NT is already coded to produce these benefits. Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 10:49:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19989 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13855; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:48:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13717; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13704; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA06886; Tue, 30 Jun 98 10:48:05 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <3598FAA3.E5374E2F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:48:03 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: TPincoming@aol.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU cooling pgms. truly increase battery life? References: <756cf398.3598f854@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've tried both Waterfall and Rain both on a desktop and on a TP600 and noticed system flakiness. Removing the programs removed the flakiness. I thought Win98 should already have the power-saving capabilities of these programs. That's one of its claims. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 10:52:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20095 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14132; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:51:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14017; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13988; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199806301451.KAA13988@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:49:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Remapping keys Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:40:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu A few days ago someone referenced MS's Power/Kernel Toys that provide for remapping the cap lock key. I got a copy of the kernel program but have yet to try it as it was listed under Win95 not NT, which is the OS I use almost all the time. As I am somewhat reluctant to try this with NT, I was wondering if anyone has used this program with NT. My basic concern is that it might corrupt the OS in some way that would force me to reload it and loading NT is a pain. TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 11:19:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA20495 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15896; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:17:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15742; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15729; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA20870 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:23:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 08:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU cooling pgms. truly increase battery life? In-Reply-To: <756cf398.3598f854@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 30 Jun 1998 TPincoming@aol.com wrote: > Apparently these programs only provide these advantages under Windows 95/98; > Win NT is already coded to produce these benefits. Yes, real operating systems like Linux, OS/2 and NT already do this. All it really does is send a bunch of HLT instructions to the CPU. I still don't get why Microsoft couldn't do this in Win98. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 11:53:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21116 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18096; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:51:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17966; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17918; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-4.tiac.net (mail-out-4.tiac.net [199.0.65.16]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11783 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:50:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-4.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18565 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:50:48 GMT (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDA418.DB44EE20@ntmail.tiac.net>; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:18:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Raybay'" , "'Stephen Amadei'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:18:48 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, One problem with not partitioning the second drive is that the drive letters will change under OS/2 and it will not work very well if a primary dos partition is put on the second drive. I would suggest partitioning and formatting the second drive as FAT so DOS and OS/2 see the same drive order. It tends to be confusing if you put the dos partition on an extended partition of the second drive as it would be D: in DOS and E: in OS/2. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >---------- >From: Stephen Amadei[SMTP:amadei@dandy.net] >Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 2:02 AM >To: Raybay >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: C, D, E drives for Win, DOS, Linux > >On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Raybay wrote: > >> I have acquired another 5 Mb drive on which I would like >> to fdisk with a C drive, a D drive and an E drive with Windows 98 >> on one, DOS one other, and Linux on the third partition. I might >> even split my 3 Mg drive too... as my work requires all three >> operating systems... and sometimes OS/2 > >Win98, Linux and DOS on one 5 MB drive?!? You must have that new >Super-Duper 100:1 disk compression software. ;-) > >> Is there a simple way to do this so when I >> boot up I can declare whether I want to go with >> Windows, DOS, or Linux? > >Yes, either buy a third party boot manager like, Boot Commander, or >preferably, use the Boot Manager from OS/2 or LILO from Linux. > >> People here tell me I will have to buy some software >> that controls the switching, but nobody knows the name >> of the software, and I'm not sure software is required. > >Boot Manager and LILO are free... well, LILO is free, Boot Manager comes >with Warp. > >> Any of you smarter guys have any advice? > >Sure. Be careful. It can be very tricky to do multiboot. > >First, I an making the assumption your actually have a 500 MB and 300 MB >hard drives, or 5 GB and 3 GB. I'll use 500 MB and 300MB. Since the >500MB drive is probably newer and faster, I would set it up as the primary >hard drive and the 300 as the second. > >Next, because I personnally prefer using OS/2's Boot Manager, I would >recommend doing the bulk of you setup in OS/2. > >First, boot the OS/2 disks. Using fdisk, install the Boot Manager, create >2 primary partitions and two extended partitions. Reboot, and install >OS/2 on the first extended partiton (drive d:)... Add this partiton to the >Boot Manager menu. If you use version 3, you need a minimum of 35 megs, >Warp 4, a minimum of 100 MB. Format D: as HPFS. Only partition the first >drive, leave the second for later. > >After booting into Warp a few times, and being sure that the installation >has calmed down, you may run fdisk, and set the first primary partition as >active. > >Get a DOS bootable floppy, boot DOS, and install DOS, but don't let DOS >destroy your current partitions. Install DOS on the first primary >partition. > >Boot into DOS, run fdisk, and set the second primary partition as active. >Get a WIN98 bootable floppy, Boot and install Windows 98, again, don't let >WIN98 destroy your current partitions... Win98 will notice OS/2 and the >Boot Manager and will disable them... don't worry about that right now. >Install Win98 on the second primary partition. > >Get your Linux boot disks. Boot Linux and install Linux on your second >extended partition. Obviously, format Linux as ext2-fs. > >Now, boot from a DOS floppy again, run fdisk, and set the Boot Manager >partition as active. > >Boot again, this time going into OS/2. Run fdisk and Add the DOS, Win98 >and Linux partitions to the Boot Manager. Also, partition and format >the second, 300 MB drive as wanted... format it as FAT. > >With this setup, you get around limitations such as DOS and Win98's >insistance to be on the first DOS-readable partition of the first drive, >and you keep Win98 from screwing around with your DOS, OS/2 and Linux >drives. The partitions on the second drive are used for common data. > >DOS will see the boot disk as C:, data on D: > >WIN98 will also see the boot as C:, data on D: > >OS/2 will see either the DOS or WIN98 (whichever was booted last) as C:, >the OS/2 boot disk as D:, and data as E: For bonus points, you could load >the OS/2 ext2-fs file system and read you Linux partition. > >Linux will see any drive wherever you place the drives in the drives tree, >provided you are running the needed file systems. > >Have fun... > > ----Steve >Stephen Amadei >Director of MIS >Dandy Connections, Inc. >Atlantic City, NJ > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 12:12:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21467 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19485; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:09:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19329; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19313; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from theriver.com (a16.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.208]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA06795 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:09:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199806301609.JAA06795@pantano.theriver.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 98 09:13:12 -0700 To: "Thinkpad Discussion Group" In-Reply-To: <35988E00.2FD@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: Re: BIOS Memory test... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In <35988E00.2FD@uke.uni-hamburg.de>, on 06/30/98 at 09:04 AM, Thorsten Jaekel said: >Hi everybody, >this memory test thread reminds me of the testing behaviour of my >TP750: The memory test always took a very long time (with 4MB, 12 MB, >and 20MB), if I remember right it was more than 15 minutes, perhaps >half an hour. I never got an error message of any kind. The test just >took long, and seemed to hang, but eventually it would say OK under >the icon and move on to the next item. (I never had a memory related >problem anyway.) >Now, does anyone know what these test actually do? A series of memory tests like all ones, all zeros, cross-hatch pattern. >What would a real error look like? You would get an error message stating where the test(s) failed. >Do the beeps mean anything? (I seem to remember beeps during the >procedure, but I am not sure about that.) These are progress notification beeps which signify that a certain amount of memory was tested. James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 12:21:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21658 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20297; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:18:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20185; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20155; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 770 (user-38ld1hc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.134.44]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA07765; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:17:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad list" , "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: RE: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:18:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bda442$abed62e0$1b75fea9@770> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199806301240.MAA47432@out2.ibm.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at the TENBA insert. I think their large insert will work. It's not a "wetsut", but should be fairly snug. TENBA make great bags! www.tenba.com -----Original Message----- From: J. Michael Stolp [mailto:mstolp@xelan.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 1998 8:44 AM To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit ** Reply to note from Raybay Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:26:52 -0600 (MDT) > Is the "snug fit" a concern due to outside dimensions, or > snug on the inside? I assume your question is where/how is the Kensington Wetsuit too tight? If so, the problem is the outside dimensions. If the question is why do I want a snug fitting case, it is because I have a larger Tumi computer bag, and I want something to protect the Thinkpad from fingerprints, etc. when I take it out of the bag to use. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 06:35am MDT on 06/30/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 12:29:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21860 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20967; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20758; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20743; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA07401; Tue, 30 Jun 98 12:24:53 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35991154.D5BFFE6B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:24:52 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: William Armstrong Cc: ThinkPad list , "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit References: <000201bda442$abed62e0$1b75fea9@770> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Couldn't there be serious cooling issues with these wetsuits? Not only will you not get good heat transfer through the case, but you could also cover up the holes for the fan. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 12:32:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA21902 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21214; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:27:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21042; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21007; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ankle.uplanet.com (host-189-2.uplanet.com [208.232.189.2]) by mom.hooked.net (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27375; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:26:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by ankle.uplanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA27323; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:28:40 -0700 Message-ID: <19980630092838.34875@ankle.uplanet.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:28:38 -0700 From: jesse@spine.com To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Remapping keys Mail-Followup-To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <199806301451.KAA13988@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89.1 In-Reply-To: <199806301451.KAA13988@CS.UTK.EDU>; from Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com on Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 10:40:00AM -0400 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I don't recall where, but I found an NT key remapping util somewhere. I believe I was pointed to it originally from the emacs NT faq, you might try there. On Tue, Jun 30, 1998 at 10:40:00AM -0400, Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > A few days ago someone referenced MS's Power/Kernel Toys that provide > for remapping the cap lock key. I got a copy of the kernel program but > have yet to try it as it was listed under Win95 not NT, which is the > OS I use almost all the time. As I am somewhat reluctant to try this > with NT, I was wondering if anyone has used this program with NT. My > basic concern is that it might corrupt the OS in some way that would > force me to reload it and loading NT is a pain. > > TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 12:58:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22445 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22980; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:53:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22708; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22688; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-217.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.217]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA11586 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:53:00 GMT Message-Id: <199806301653.QAA11586@out2.ibm.net> To: ThinkPad list Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:56:37 MDT From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ** Reply to note from I Lee Hetherington Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:24:52 -0400 > Couldn't there be serious cooling issues with these wetsuits? Not only > will you not get good heat transfer through the case, but you could also > cover up the holes for the fan. Hmmm, interesting point. I'm certainly open to suggestions and ideas of what others experience and views may have been. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque mstolp@xelan.com * http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 10:49am MDT on 06/30/98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 14:08:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23682 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28363; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:35 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28200; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA20745; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24829; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id MAA01015; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <35991E33.19558946@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.111]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 30 Jun 1998 17:19:03 UT Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:19:47 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Remapping keys References: <199806301451.KAA13988@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Somewhere on Microsoft's web site (very near (or in) the Powertoy download section) is a description of which Powertoys run on NT. There may also be a MS technical support article that speaks to this. Check out http://support.microsoft.com for more answers. HTH, Rob Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com wrote: > > A few days ago someone referenced MS's Power/Kernel Toys that provide > for remapping the cap lock key. I got a copy of the kernel program but > have yet to try it as it was listed under Win95 not NT, which is the > OS I use almost all the time. As I am somewhat reluctant to try this > with NT, I was wondering if anyone has used this program with NT. My > basic concern is that it might corrupt the OS in some way that would > force me to reload it and loading NT is a pain. > > TIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@nospam@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 14:09:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA23692 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28361; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:19 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28163; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id OAA20728; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18000; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27218 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:51:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA08113 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDA41B.9BB032D0@ntmail.tiac.net>; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:38:31 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Cc: "'eac@shore.net'" Subject: FYI: Win98 PCMCIA problem Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:38:30 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, I have not installed Win98 on my thinkpad yet but a friend of mine did on a TI Travelmate and had trouble getting the PCMCIA to work. The PCMCIA applet showed both slots empty when there were cards inserted. The system properties page showed the proper controller drivers (two total, one for each slot) and a generic driver (showing improperly installed). I corrected that by delete all the pcmcia drivers and rebooting. I noticed the memory allocations for the two drivers (set to automatic) had a gap and where different from the win95 settings. I also noticed the automatic settings checkbox was not checked in the PCMCIA applet. Checking this box did not do any good but when I also moved one of the memory setting for one of the drivers up to where it was in win95 I got several installing new hardware messages (including one for card services). The result of my limited testing seems to indicate that the memory allocation for the two drivers (one for each slot) has to be contiguous. I ended up manually putting one driver at D0000, the second driver at D1000 and card services automatically selected to use D2000. It appears that the card services driver should also be present along with the controller drivers. >73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 14:30:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24122 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00937; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00787; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n05.cac.psu.edu (r02a05.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00749; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-5.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.135]) by r02n05.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA22702 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:27:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199806301827.OAA22702@r02n05.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:29:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert F. Munzenrider" Subject: Home & Away set Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Somebody was aksing about an IBM Home & Away pcmcia & ethernet set. I have one. Never Used, but I've looked at it.... Reasonable/cheap (I bought it >from Egghead as a closeout) Call/email me. Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg (717)948-6057 rfm@psu.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 14:35:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24188 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01453; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01265; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from r02n14.cac.psu.edu (r02a06.cac.psu.edu [146.186.15.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01243; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rfm.cac.psu.edu (access-isdn1-5.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.135]) by r02n14.cac.psu.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA33780 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:33:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199806301833.OAA33780@r02n14.cac.psu.edu> X-Sender: rfm@email.psu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:35:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert F. Munzenrider" Subject: Looking for Old-Style Font Cartridge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This isn't quite the right palce, but.... I'm looking for an old-fashioned (My! How time flies!) font cartridge of an HP LJ2p. It's a Pacifc Data Products-brand 25-in-One font cartridge. I think they're out of business, etc. Anyone have any idea of a source where I might find one -- new or used??? - My posting here is quasi-legitimate. I sometimes connect a Thinkpad to this printer for printing purposes.... It's like Memory Lane..... Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg (717)948-6057 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 15:15:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24964 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04512; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:13:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04289; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04257; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18066; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:13:01 -1000 Message-ID: <003901bda45a$de6959a0$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "William Armstrong" Cc: "ThinkPad list" , "J. Michael Stolp" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:11:11 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Couldn't there be serious cooling issues with these wetsuits? Not only >will you not get good heat transfer through the case, but you could also >cover up the holes for the fan. I've used Wetsuits on several laptops without problem, but none were fan-equipped laptops. I don't know where the fan holes are on the 770. Note that on the Kensington bags the end covering the ports (i.e., the bottom when the laptop is being carried) zips open, so there can be free flow of air through there when the machine is being operated. (A pair of security straps keeps the machine from falling through this hole, BTW!) I don't know if this is true of the Zing bags. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 15:25:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25173 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04920; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:19:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04789; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04774; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18122; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:18:59 -1000 Message-ID: <005001bda45b$adc6ad60$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770 Wetsuit Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:17:09 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> Levenger has a leather soft cover that might fit the 770. > >I have a Levenger catalog right here on the desk, and will check >it out. We have enjoyed Levenger's stuff for a long time. Look in their online outlet store, http://www.levenger.com/ItemPage.asp?Title=Laptop+Jacket David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu www.math.hawaii.edu/~ross From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 17:07:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26825 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12550; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:04:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12203; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.vsttech.com (mail.vsttech.com [192.233.217.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12191; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199806302104.RAA12191@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from 192.233.217.51 by mail.vsttech.com with SMTP (QuickMail Pro Server for MacOS 1.0.2); 30 JUN 98 17:06:05 UT Date: 30 Jun 98 17:06:33 -0500 From: Michelle Booth Subject: ThinkPad Products User Group To: ThinkPad X-Mailer: QuickMail Pro 1.5.2 (Mac) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Michelle Booth Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-Ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Please send me information regarding the ThinkPad Products discussion = group and how to subscribe. Michelle Booth Technical Support Representative VST Technologies, Inc. 978-635-8282 http://www.vsttech.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 18:51:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA28952 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18684; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:49:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18572; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18481; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (180.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.180]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA12409; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35996B1C.4D92A500@icanect.net> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:47:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Robert F. Munzenrider" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Old-Style Font Cartridge References: <199806301833.OAA33780@r02n14.cac.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bob.. i HAD one of those, 7 or 8 years ago.. :-) on my sailboat, of all places.. in an h/p LJ-II (or was it a III) in any event, that one i sold but i also had a h/p font cartridge.. not as many fonts, but fonts none the less.. :-) send me a private e-mail with contact info and i'll try to find it.. Robert F. Munzenrider wrote: > This isn't quite the right palce, but.... I'm looking for an old-fashioned > (My! How time flies!) font cartridge of an HP LJ2p. It's a Pacifc Data > Products-brand 25-in-One font cartridge. I think they're out of business, > etc. Anyone have any idea of a source where I might find one -- new or > used??? > > - My posting here is quasi-legitimate. I sometimes connect a Thinkpad to > this printer for printing purposes.... It's like Memory Lane..... > > Bob Munzenrider > Penn State Harrisburg > (717)948-6057 > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://www.thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 20:12:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00298 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10531; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10194; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10158; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29017; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806302033.NAA29017@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Mark Bell" , "Mike Ford" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:56:07 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Anyone got a 14.4k/28.8k PCMCIA/PC Card modem? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Anybody have an update on using the Home and Away with newer OS releases? > I'm using the Home & Away 28.8 with OS/2 Warp 4.0 fine, and the same driver for the H&A works for all my other PCMCIA modems as well. :) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 20:16:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00341 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10639; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10302; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10242; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29022; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806302033.NAA29022@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Linn Skipper" , "Rob Bell" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:58:19 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Running mouse pointer Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Another mouse issue I've noticed is with the TrackPoint on several >models (755Cs, 760EL, 770). Occasionally the pointer will start >drifting slowly in a random direction. I usually rebooted on the older >machines, but the 770 has drivers that auto-correct if you leave the >TrackPoint alone for 2-3 seconds. > I think that this was common for all the Trackpoints, because they'd need to adjust due to environmental issues. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 20:17:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00364 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10377; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:36:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10123; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10024; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p02.hwts21.loop.net (p02.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.63.239]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA29033; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pkhoury@loop.com) Message-Id: <199806302033.NAA29033@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "David S. Crombie" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 23:00:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mouse/keyboard/screen question Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:55:54 -0600, David S. Crombie wrote: >This might sound dumb but... I have a 365XD that I want to hook an external keyboard to (yes, one of the ones with the stupid Windows keys). I only have one PS/2 port but have both the keyboard and the mouse to hook up (both PS/2). Is there a way to use both devices on the PS/2 port or do I have to use a PS/2 to Serial port converter? > >The reason I want to do this is that my screen has konked out (and my left mouse button) - 10% of the time the LCD looks perfect, but then all of a sudden white lines start forming and in a matter of 10 seconds or so the whole screen fades to pure white. I am using an external monitor and everything is perfect so I am lead to believe that the video chip is fine. Has anybody else seen this (I remember a thread recently regarding the 701 but I didn't see that many similarities). The screen is a 10.4 TFT. > >I guess I should have gone for that extended warranty after all... > I think it's more of a problem with the LCD than the cable, because if it works for at least 10 minutes, than it's probably a display problem. Unfortunatly, I can't recommend any *cheap* solutions. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 Server Proudly running DR-DOS 7.02, OS/2 Warp 3 & 4 , Mac OS 7.5.x and Sun Solaris 2.4 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 21:26:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01338 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25278; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:21:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25155; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25142; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-004-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.100]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07193; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:21:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35998F0B.DDC28C34@cia-g.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:21:15 -0600 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: "Robert F. Munzenrider" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Looking for Old-Style Font Cartridge References: <199806301833.OAA33780@r02n14.cac.psu.edu> <35996B1C.4D92A500@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If you are not in a hurry, I have one you can have. But it is in storage and I don't have time to get over there for a nuther couple of weeks Ray Bayles Bill Morrow wrote: > Bob.. > i HAD one of those, 7 or 8 years ago.. :-) > on my sailboat, of all places.. > in an h/p LJ-II (or was it a III) > in any event, that one i sold but i also had a h/p font cartridge.. > not as many fonts, but fonts none the less.. :-) > > send me a private e-mail with contact info and i'll try to find it.. > > Robert F. Munzenrider wrote: > > > This isn't quite the right palce, but.... I'm looking for an old-fashioned > > (My! How time flies!) font cartridge of an HP LJ2p. It's a Pacifc Data > > Products-brand 25-in-One font cartridge. I think they're out of business, > > etc. Anyone have any idea of a source where I might find one -- new or > > used??? > > > > - My posting here is quasi-legitimate. I sometimes connect a Thinkpad to > > this printer for printing purposes.... It's like Memory Lane..... > > > > Bob Munzenrider > > Penn State Harrisburg > > (717)948-6057 > > > > -- > Happy Trails... :-) > ** Bill Morrow ** > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > DISCUSSION: http://www.thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU(2), 760ED(1), 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > Win95B & Win98-RC2 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Jun 30 23:54:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA03680 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01545; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:49:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01340; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news.skyinet.net (NEWS.SKYINET.NET [206.101.197.231]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01325; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad-535e (P43.MB05.QZN.SKYINET.NET [208.162.1.43]) by news.skyinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26219 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:48:44 +0800 (PST) From: "J. Carlos M. Sibal" To: Subject: thinkpad hd upgrade Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 11:50:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004801bda507$f60c5780$2b01a2d0@thinkpad-535e> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi, perhaps this has been discussed before but i'm relatively new to the list. I am about to upgrade my Thinkpad 760ed's 1.2gb hard drive to a toshiba 4gb hard drive (drive came without a tp hd adapter) does anyone have any tips for me before I start to take the original hard disk apart for the casing? thanks in advance, carlos