From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 00:00:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01660 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19537; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:58:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19403; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19391; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (176.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.176]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id XAA12172; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C2930E.4599A1BA@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:01:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pcmcia nic References: <199808010205.WAA05936@amsterdam.interport.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Richard.. i'll be selling a couple of Xircom NIC's soon.. about $50 each.. much less than that amount it is not worth the effort.. i have seen similar pricing on newsgroups.. the occasional bargain can be found, as well as the occasional seller who is asking more than a fair price.. bargains require time to find.. :-) richard wrote: > Anyone know where I can find a decent, inexpensive 10BaseT pcmcia card? I > believe others on this list have said they've bought these cards for around > $30, but I can't find any near this price. Am I mis-remembering what > people have said about pricing? Am I looking in the wrong places? -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 00:02:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA01708 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20160; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:01:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19899; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19739; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (176.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.176]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id AAA12733; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C2938A.36DF5D99@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:03:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Larry Miller , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Writeable bios References: <000b01bdbcd2$2c87e720$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i think i saw IBM Antivirus on the accessory CD that came with my 770ED.. David Ross wrote: > I wrote: > >> This seems to have been very overhyped. > Larry Miller wrote: > > >Maybe because of the possible consequences. > > I meant overhyped relative to the ubiquity and possible danger; see http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,24801,00.html > > >Uhhh... this is a silly question, but where does one get the IBM > >Antivirus? :-o Should I be looking for it on my stock install 385XD? > > I honestly don't know if IBM still installs this on their machines. It came with my 701 and with my 560. Look under start/thinkpad > tools. > > >Say, off topic, do you know Fred Metcalf, from math.ucr.edu? Think his > >son is over there at hawaii.edu. > > I don't know either Metcalf. There is a Metcalf Street I drive on almost every day by the University. > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 00:48:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA02393 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21395; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:46:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21271; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21259; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.4.225]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980801044616.JPLN165@bp>; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 04:46:16 +0000 Message-ID: <35C29D65.6101@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:45:25 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Morrow CC: David Ross , Larry Miller , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus References: <000b01bdbcd2$2c87e720$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> <35C2938A.36DF5D99@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM has sold its anti virus section to Symantec. So unless it is on your machine or on your recovery CD you'll need to get Norton antivirus. Birger. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 02:49:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04012 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26778; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:08 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26388; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA03205; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24211; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA18322; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C1E8D4.7D52DC52@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:55:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Michael CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jim.. you can repair it if you can find a dead machine with a good display.. white screen sounds like a cable.. THE cable..! have you tried to isolate the problem by connecting an external monitor..?? which would tell you if the problem is the video board or the cable/top assy.. a 365X might have a 10.4TFT display and thus use the same part as the 365E series which should be cheaper on the used market.. but all that having been said, its really risky buying a used machine in the hope of doing the repair yourself.. these things can be tricky.. the used machine might need the same part.. etc., etc., ad inf.. Jim Michael wrote: > We have a 365XD with a bad screen (stays white on bootup) which the local > repair place wants $1100 to fix (ouch, not worth it). It is about 3 mos. > out of warranty. Is it possible to troubleshoot and repair myself for > much less? > > Cheers, > > Jim -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 02:49:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA04015 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26781; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:35 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26459; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id CAA03235; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24380; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id LAA19747; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C1E9CB.11B66CB6@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:59:07 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bergman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, askibm@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: TP600: external floppy fails under Win95 References: <199807301737.NAA08263@panix4.panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mark.. only one, since i doin't have a 600.. try this.. >from a FDOS prompt.. PS2 FDD E then do a hard boot.. that was/is the command to turn on the external floppy in other TP's... Mark Bergman wrote: > I've got a TP600 (low-end 233MMX). I got the internal IBM CD-ROM, and > it works fine, however the floppy disk does not work when used > externally under Win95. The floppy works fine in the bay, or externally > (with the CD-ROM in the bay) under Linux, so I'm confident that it's > not a hardware problem. > > The floppy drive has never worked externally under Win95--including > with the machine's default configuration. This is more aggravating > that critically important, as I do most of my work under Linux. > > Any suggestions? > > ---- > Mark Bergman Biker, IATSE #1 Stagehand, Unix mechanic > 718-855-9148 bergman@panix.com {cmcl2,uunet}!panix!bergman > I want a newsgroup with a infinite S/N ratio! Now taking CFV on: > > rec.motorcycles.stagehands.pet-bird-owners.pinballers.unix-supporters > 5+ So Far--Want to join? Check out: http://www.panix.com/~bergman -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 03:06:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04176 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29418; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:04:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01917; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01764; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA05390; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:28:18 -1000 Message-ID: <001901bdbcb1$2a9ff040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Larry Miller" , Subject: Re: Writeable bios Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:29:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Speaking of upgrading bios, has anybody heard of the (July26?) virus >floating around which infects writeable BIOS? I just got a 385XD and the >idea of getting into a virus infection situation in which I cannot do This seems to have been very overhyped. In any event, IBM Antivirus has been able to detect and correct this virus for several months (everyone out there *has* been updating their IBM AV signature files, right?) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 03:08:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04186 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29832; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:05:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01890; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01817; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA07299; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C20CE1.74DEBDFF@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:28:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Michael CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jim.. my bet is the cable.. that is usually the part that goes bad.. i have some spares for a 701C but nothing for a 365X.. Jim Michael wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > have you tried to isolate the problem by connecting an external monitor..?? > > which would tell you if the problem is the video board or the cable/top > > assy.. > > The system will power an external monitor, so it sounds like either cable > or screen. > > Cheers, > > Jim -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 03:10:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04210 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00319; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:07:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02076; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01989; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA22352; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C1EB9A.AAB63FDE@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:06:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rous56@AOL.COM CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable References: <812eca3e.35c14645@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu the most current bios is rev. "O" (thats an OH, not a zero) can't update without a floppy.. Rous56@aol.com wrote: > I got a great deal on a TP701, without a floppy or cable. Win95 has problems, > I suspect due to the early '95 bios on the machine. The bios update from IBM > comes as a bootable floppy disk, so without a floppy drive, what can I do ? > Does any one have any of the following: a floppy cable with or without the > drive, a wiring schematic for said cable (in case I can find the connectors), > or an idea how to do the bios flash without the floppy ? Thanks, > thinkpadders. -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 03:11:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04227 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00539; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:09:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02080; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01994; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (156.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.156]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id MAA21599; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C1EB05.6618C8F3@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:04:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: TP 365XD HD References: <199807310850.BAA23392@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu without looking up the error message, it sounds like the drive might not be set active.. like the bios can't find a boot track or some such thing.. LightSide wrote: > Hello again, > > I just got done last night installing boot manager, OS/2 Warp 4.0, and Windows 95 OSR2 on my laptop. Got it > all configured the way I wanted it and all (note warp,win95 and boot manager are all in primarys). > > Today I turn it on and once again (this has happened more than once before), it gets past the memory check > and just sits there. You can boot off a floppy, but thats it. So this time I powered down and back up and > pressed F1 and got into the setup screen. Did a full system test. The harddrive didn't get an okay. Could > someone out there please tell me the bad news of what this means: > > DEV 017 > ERR 23 > FRU 6010 > > Help! > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 03:35:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04455 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03318; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:55:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02518; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom4.netcom.com (root@netcom4.netcom.com [192.100.81.107]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02378; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom4.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id KAA10256; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:09:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:09:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen To: Bill Morrow cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35C1E8D4.7D52DC52@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > have you tried to isolate the problem by connecting an external monitor..?? > which would tell you if the problem is the video board or the cable/top > assy.. The system will power an external monitor, so it sounds like either cable or screen. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 03:57:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA04607 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02755; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:55:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02635; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02623; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs430158-a.cghy1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.58.142] (HELO cs430158-a) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0167_35c2_c9ee_3a00; Sat, 01 Aug 1998 00:55:26 -0700 Message-ID: <005a01bdbd21$955fdce0$8e3a4018@cs430158-a.cghy1.ab.wave.home.com> From: "dave" To: Subject: 365XD bad screen Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:54:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I thought I'd give an update on this dead screen issue. I took mine in to my friend who repairs monitors/builds desktops as his primary job. He took it apart and said that the cable is twisted and made up of so many individual wires that it was impossible for him to diagnose or fix. So, at this stage, I am left with the option of spending $1500 on a new screen, trading mine into IBM for $750 for a refurb screen (+ repair labor I imagine) or try to find a dead unit with a good screen as Bill suggests. I remember someone on the list mentioned something a few weeks ago about spilling some water in their 365XD (could I be dreaming or does anybody else remember this?) If someone does, email me and maybe we can talk.... Another idea - if enough of the 365X/XD users out there complained about this inherent fault of their 10.4 TFT screens do you think IBM would bother doing anything? (Considering as well that most of us would never think of buying anything but Tpads.) I also had a 360c (smaller screen, TFT though) and it was perfect for 2+ years until it was snagged out of my car one day.... _____________________ David S. Crombie david@crombie.com P.S. Moral of the story - when buying a thinkpad with a 1 yr warranty go for the extended warranty period. -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Morrow >To: Jim Michael >Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 12:48 AM >Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen > > >>Jim.. >>you can repair it if you can find a dead machine with a good display.. >>white screen sounds like a cable.. THE cable..! >> >>have you tried to isolate the problem by connecting an external monitor..?? >>which would tell you if the problem is the video board or the cable/top >>assy.. >> >>a 365X might have a 10.4TFT display and thus use the same part as the 365E >>series which should be cheaper on the used market.. >> >>but all that having been said, its really risky buying a used machine in >the >>hope of doing the repair yourself.. >>these things can be tricky.. the used machine might need the same part.. >>etc., etc., ad inf.. >> >> >>Jim Michael wrote: >> >>> We have a 365XD with a bad screen (stays white on bootup) which the local >>> repair place wants $1100 to fix (ouch, not worth it). It is about 3 mos. >>> out of warranty. Is it possible to troubleshoot and repair myself for >>> much less? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jim > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 05:43:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA05508 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09992; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:41:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09905; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09893; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA07361; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:41:16 -1000 Message-ID: <001d01bdbd30$b56336e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "BirgerPetterson" Cc: "Larry Miller" , Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 23:42:30 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >IBM has sold its anti virus section to Symantec. So unless it is on >your machine or on your recovery CD you'll need to get Norton antivirus. Strictly speaking, IBM is licensing some of its patented technology to Symantec, not outright selling the section. They are doing the same with INTEL (for LAN security systems). IBM always had the better AV technology, but Symantec did a better job on virus updates (*usually* - on this particular virus, IBM beat out Symantec by a couple of months). I would assume that the IBM employees behind these lucrative patents are being retained by the company! Anyway - some TP list content - for those many of us whose machines *did* come with the IBM product, downloadable signature file upgrades should exist for the rest of the year. Sorry, Larry - I guess you didn't buy your machine soon enough! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 05:45:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA05529 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10225; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:43:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10060; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10048; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wierd (slip202-135-133-238.jk.id.ibm.net [202.135.133.238]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id FAA28516 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Sobat Lama" From: "Sobat Lama" To: Subject: [TP760XD] problem on VCD movie Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:43:39 +0700 Message-ID: <01bdbd30$dcc94620$ee8587ca@wierd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello there!, I am using 760XD, 80M ram, 3.2 Gb question: When I am watching the VCD movie, there is not match between picture and voice. It seems that voice are going faster than picture, any suggest what I should do?. Thank you in advance for your cooperation Sobat, ps: There is pause processing each 1.5 minute (pause picture and voice) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 06:06:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA05718 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10982; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:05:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10860; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10846; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 06:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07395; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:04:44 -1000 Message-ID: <002401bdbd33$fcdbffe0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow" , "richard" Cc: Subject: Re: pcmcia nic Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:05:58 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >i'll be selling a couple of Xircom NIC's soon.. >about $50 each.. This is a pretty good price for the Xircom card. Bill is right that real bargains (quality cards at a low price) require luck and good timing; I bought a New Media Livewire combo card for $27, and a month later the same dealer was asking around $100 for the same card! Some places where I've seen/found good deals on pcmcia net cards include www.compgeeks.com, www.surplusdirect.com, and www.consumerdepot.com . YMMV. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 08:50:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA06970 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13953; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13829; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us [164.107.107.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13816; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (login [164.107.107.11]) by mail.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA11155; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcarter@localhost) by acme.freenet.columbus.oh.us (8.8.5/8.8.4) id IAA27533; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Carter Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus To: BirgerPetterson cc: Bill Morrow , David Ross , Larry Miller , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35C29D65.6101@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's still aroun and constantly updated. Check the web site www.av.ibm.com NRE/COLE Test Center OH-3 pcarter@freenet.columbus.oh.us Philip L. Carter, WD8QWR wd8qwr@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.na From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 10:49:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08436 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15896; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:48:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15779; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15767; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA18516; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:48:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:48:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pcmcia nic In-Reply-To: <199808010205.WAA05936@amsterdam.interport.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought my at an auction site for $29 plus shipping... they don't have them every day and their starting price changes every day but it you watch it for a few days to see exactly how it works, you can find good ones at low prices... by Megaherz, 3COM, Xircom at www.onsale.com/computers.htm and look for accessories... also look in the last box of portable computers. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 11:07:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08656 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16577; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:06:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16422; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (genepool@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16410; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id IAA04685; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:05:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen To: Bill Morrow cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35C1E8D4.7D52DC52@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > Jim.. > you can repair it if you can find a dead machine with a good display.. > white screen sounds like a cable.. THE cable..! Thanks for the analysis and suggestions from all who replied. I will be checking with the folks at man-machine.com to see what they might charge for the repair and see if management thinks it worth the expenditure. So far, it has not been a good Thinkpad week. First, our new 770ED has a bad factory RAM dimm (and the $120 PNY card works just fine), then a 600 we bought has a definite incompatibility with Noteworthy ethernet cards, now a bad cable a couple of months out of warranty. At least the other two will be obsolete by the time the warranty expires :-) Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 11:15:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08694 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16985; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16883; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KeyserSoze.snurgle.org (chiappa.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.90.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16871; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from griffon@localhost) by KeyserSoze.snurgle.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA00488; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <19980801111559.A446@KeyserSoze.snurgle.org> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:15:59 -0400 From: Chris Chiappa To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pcmcia nic Reply-To: griffon@snurgle.org References: <199808010205.WAA05936@amsterdam.interport.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <199808010205.WAA05936@amsterdam.interport.net>; from richard on Fri, Jul 31, 1998 at 10:05:13PM -0400 X-Mutt-References: <199808010205.WAA05936@amsterdam.interport.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, Jul 31, 1998 at 10:05:13PM -0400, richard wrote: > Anyone know where I can find a decent, inexpensive 10BaseT pcmcia card? I > believe others on this list have said they've bought these cards for around > $30, but I can't find any near this price. Am I mis-remembering what > people have said about pricing? Am I looking in the wrong places? Not quite what you asked for, but a LinkSys Etherfast 10/100 card can be had for about $85 and provides a nice upgrade path. It's been working great for me in Linux on my 755CX and, for the price, I think it's at least worth considering whether you'll ever have need for 100BaseT. (I got mine from necx.com) -- +------- --- -- -- - | griffon@snurgle.N0-SPAM.org / My opinions represent snurgle.org : ! Unspoilt by progress / http://www.snurgle.org/~griffon | - -- -- --- -------+ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 11:28:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08845 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17566; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:27:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17459; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17446; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:26:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a86.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.86]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29723; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808011526.LAA29723@pike.sover.net> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 11:22:12 -0400 To: Chris Chiappa , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <19980801111559.A446@KeyserSoze.snurgle.org> Subject: Re: pcmcia nic (Linksys) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.40 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Not quite what you asked for, but a LinkSys Etherfast 10/100 card can be >had for about $85 and provides a nice upgrade path. It's been working >great for me in Linux on my 755CX and, for the price, I think it's at >least worth considering whether you'll ever have need for 100BaseT. (I >got mine from necx.com) FWIW, I couldn't get the Linksys card to work with OS2 and a 560, and their support for anything but Windoze is worst then non-existent. They refused to help, or even to tell me if it works with OS2 at all (even though the box states that it does). They ignored my e-mail messages until I gave them a choice of buying it back or showing up in small claims court. letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 11:41:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA08950 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18083; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:39:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17964; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hep.Physics.McGill.CA (hep.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.6.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17952; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-dejanews.com ([198.168.183.68]) by hep.Physics.McGill.CA with SMTP; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C336B4.F48BF0FD@my-dejanews.com> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:39:32 -0400 From: "A. Kellerbauer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This question has been raised several times in the past: Will the 64 MB SO-DIMM module (Option P/N 76H0268) work in the 365X/XD? The answer that was given every time went like this: "IBM doesn't support it and I heard that it doesn't work." Well, I tried it yesterday on my 365XD, and it worked perfectly. At Power-up, the BIOS counted to 73XXX, the memory test in the BIOS Setup was successful, and Windows NT sees the full amount of RAM. I may add that because the 365X/XD has no L2 cache, the de-facto 64 MB RAM limit doesn't apply in this case. I experience a clear performance gain. Now the machine runs very nicely under Windows NT. I may add that I upgraded to the latest BIOS 1.10 recently. My machine is Type 2625-GF9. A. Kellerbauer From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 11:55:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA09219 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18787; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:53:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18676; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hep.Physics.McGill.CA (hep.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.6.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18663; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-dejanews.com ([198.168.183.68]) by hep.Physics.McGill.CA with SMTP; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C339D8.D15BD99F@my-dejanews.com> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 11:52:56 -0400 From: "A. Kellerbauer" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Advanced Personalization on ThinkPads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have recently taken a closer look at the Personalization Editor for the ThinkPad. For the personalization, one first chooses a 160x100 pixel 4-bit (16-color) bitmap image for the background. Then, personal information text is entered into a form. According to the Help file, a 320x200 pixel 1-bit (monochrome) bitmap is created from this text. Interestingly, the bitmap chosen for the background and the one created for the personal information are stored on the Personalization Diskette in a different format: The files are called BACK.DAT and NAME.DAT respectively. I made sure that the files are not just renamed, and attepted to open them with a bitmap editor: they were not recognized. So the question I am asking is the following: Which format is this DAT format and how do I convert BMP files to DAT files? The reason why I am asking this is because this way one could create a custom bitmap for the personal information, an image which wouldn't have to contain text only like the one created by the utility. Furthermore, the Personalization Editor could be bypassed entirely and the files copied directly to the Personalization Diskette. A. Kellerbauer From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 12:26:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09708 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20228; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:23:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19933; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19921; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa08990; 1 Aug 98 10:22 MDT Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:22:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus In-Reply-To: <35C29D65.6101@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > IBM has sold its anti virus section to Symantec. So unless it is on > your machine or on your recovery CD you'll need to get Norton antivirus. The plot thickens. How can we download updates from IBM if Symantec is now the owner? Anyway, I already bought McAfee's scan... anybody know how it compares with Norton? Saludos-- Larry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 12:26:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09713 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20260; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:24:10 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20006; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id MAA04974; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17039; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port5-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.202]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04854 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:15:58 -0500 Message-ID: <35C2DD10.230C6768@netpathway.com> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 04:17:04 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 365XD bad screen References: <005a01bdbd21$955fdce0$8e3a4018@cs430158-a.cghy1.ab.wave.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dave- Another option that may be worth considering is a company called Man-Machine. They specialize in LCD screen repair/replacement/upgrades. If your LCD is possibly bad, they say they can fix it for a maximum of $299. They also claim they can increase the brightness and minimize reflections on any LCD display with some type of 'film' that they apply. I'm not affiliated with them, but it looks as if they could help you at a much reduced cost. Here is the URL: http://www.man-machine.com/ Eric Giles dave wrote: > So, at > this stage, I am left with the option of spending $1500 on a new screen, > trading mine into IBM for $750 for a refurb screen (+ repair labor I > imagine) or try to find a dead unit with a good screen as Bill suggests. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 12:34:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA09763 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20824; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:33:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20707; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20676; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa09070; 1 Aug 98 10:31 MDT Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:31:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: David Ross cc: BirgerPetterson , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus In-Reply-To: <001d01bdbd30$b56336e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Anyway - some TP list content - for those many of us whose machines *did* come with the IBM product, downloadable signature file > upgrades should exist for the rest of the year. Sorry, Larry - I guess you didn't buy your machine soon enough! Ni modo. Actually, my previous laptop which finally just won't handle current software (486-20 w 120M HD), was a Toshiba, and I have to say I'm interested in the clannishness/cultishness of the different brand owners. I prefer the feeling I'm getting dealing with IBM company and users, but I *am* a bit surprised at the difference. And don't ask me to describe what it is, 'cause I can't. :> Saludos-- Larry Larry Miller Administrador de Redes / Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 13:10:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10123 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21815; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:08:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21705; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21693; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p04.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.138]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA02109 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808011707.KAA02109@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 01 Aug 98 10:08:04 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Flash BIOS virus Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This only infects the BIOS on DOS and WinDOS machines, right? Or is it a bootsector virus? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 13:30:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA10372 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22336; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:29:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22204; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osh5.datasync.com (root@osh5.datasync.com [205.216.82.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22192; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brianb (osp18.datasync.com [208.132.74.52]) by osh5.datasync.com (8.8.8/Datasync) with SMTP id MAA05111; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:29:20 -0500 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:29:43 -0500 Message-ID: <01BDBD48.0FB11380.Brianb@datasync.com> From: Brian Bream Reply-To: "Brianb@datasync.com" To: "'Bill Morrow'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: 701 floppy cable Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:04:20 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 44 TEXT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ---------- From: Bill Morrow[SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] Sent: Friday, July 31, 1998 11:06 AM To: Rous56@AOL.COM Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable the most current bios is rev. "O" (thats an OH, not a zero) can't update without a floppy.. I just got my 701 back from IBM, the system board had to be replaced and they flashed the BIOS to the current rev, The system reports back the following: BIOS: BUTUS30 (rev30) DIAG: BFDUS1G (ver 1G) I went to the IBM site and checked the latest drivers and this is what they list. Where or what is rev "O" and where might I get a copy of it ? Here is some useful 701 floppy stuff: Floppy drive: Dell ext Laptop floppy (Black case, Dell branded) works with my 701 available from: http://bgm.bgmicro.com/scripts/bgminc.dll/display$COM1111 the price is $12.50 + S&H Floppy drive: IBM part# 10H4056 $76.75 Floppy drive cable: IBM part# 04H6916 $29.00 EPP cable and FDD cable pack (Floppy and Parallel cable) IBM part# 10H4070 $45.25 (This is a FRU for Part number 10H4069 that has been discontinued) Available from who else (IBM) :-) Thanks, Brian Bream From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 15:52:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11984 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25366; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:47:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25209; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25197; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA08491; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:47:46 -1000 Message-ID: <002701bdbd85$6f96dd60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Paul Khoury" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Flash BIOS virus Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:49:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >This only infects the BIOS on DOS and WinDOS machines, right? Just W95, but I'm sure we'll see the same concept soon in all operating systems:-) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 16:15:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12380 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26250; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:12:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26106; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26094; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 86256653.006F3419 ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:14:38 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: lmiller@cibnor.mx cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <86256653.006EC44C.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:13:58 -0500 Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Actually, the current version of Norton AV doesn't include the IBM technology yet. So nobody here really *needs* NAV ;-). As someone else already said, IBM will still be providing updates thru the end of 1998, see the www.av.ibm.com or symantec web sights for the details (like transition plans and that Symantec will provide an OS/2 version) . Rich Chong lmiller@cibnor.mx on 08-01-98 11:22:18 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Rich Chong/SHARE Inc) Subject: Re: IBM Antivirus > IBM has sold its anti virus section to Symantec. So unless it is on > your machine or on your recovery CD you'll need to get Norton antivirus. The plot thickens. How can we download updates from IBM if Symantec is now the owner? Anyway, I already bought McAfee's scan... anybody know how it compares with Norton? Saludos-- Larry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 1 19:43:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15071 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29623; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:40:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29454; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29442; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wierd (slip202-135-133-72.jk.id.ibm.net [202.135.133.72]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id TAA28636; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Sobat Lama" From: "Sobat Lama" To: "Bruce Markowitz" Cc: "Thinkpad list" Subject: Re: [TP760XD] problem on VCD movie Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:40:41 +0700 Message-ID: <01bdbda5$cb3bf680$488587ca@wierd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am using WIN95, and VCD player from IBM Video CD Player ver 1.00 thank for yr help Sobat -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Sobat Lama Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 12:40 am Subject: Re: [TP760XD] problem on VCD movie >What program are you using to watch the VCD, and what OS are you using? > >---------- >> From: Sobat Lama >> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: [TP760XD] problem on VCD movie >> Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 5:43 AM >> >> Hello there!, >> >> I am using 760XD, 80M ram, 3.2 Gb >> >> question: >> When I am watching the VCD movie, there is not >> match between picture and voice. It seems that voice are going >> faster than picture, any suggest what I should do?. >> >> >> Thank you in advance for your cooperation >> >> >> Sobat, >> >> ps: >> There is pause processing each 1.5 minute (pause picture and voice) >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 02:12:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA20154 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07402; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:10:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07257; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07245; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 02:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-101.ricochet.net [204.179.134.101]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA19350 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 01:10:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:10:01 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or I can get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old drive. Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all sound right, except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a tiny bit more power. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 08:17:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23722 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18082; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:13:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17857; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (deimos.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.17.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17845; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hal.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (hal.cl-ki.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.141.2]) by deimos.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA30182 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:13:24 +0200 Received: from localhost (krumeich@localhost) by hal.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA24556 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:13:19 +0200 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:13:19 +0200 (MEST) From: Alexander Krumeich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP600]: Linux and sound In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello there, (sorry that this posting is longish, it contains several pieces of diagnose output) I have undertaken new adventures in the pursuit of getting my TP 600 to work under Linux. This time it's sound I am worried about. The problem is, I can't hear anything when I play a sound file -- no matter the volume setting. All I get is a very short click and then silence. I can play audio CDs, if this has something to do with it. My System is RedHat 5.1, with 2.0.35 kernel. I configured the sound drivers this way (with the values that I took from the Win95 device manager): <*> Sound card support [*] /dev/dsp and /dev/audio support [*] MIDI interface support <*> FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support <*> MPU-401 support (NOT for SB16) <*> Support for Crystal CS4232 based (PnP) cards (330) I/O base for MPU401 Check from manual of the card (9) MPU401 IRQ Check from manual of the card (530) CS4232 audio I/O base 530, 604, E80 or F40 (5) CS4232 audio IRQ 5, 7, 9, 11, 12 or 15 (0) CS4232 audio DMA 0, 1 or 3 (3) CS4232 second (duplex) DMA 0, 1 or 3 (330) CS4232 MIDI I/O base 330, 370, 3B0 or 3F0 (9) CS4232 MIDI IRQ 5, 7, 9, 11, 12 or 15 (65536) Audio DMA buffer size 4096, 16384, 32768 or 65536 (all lines that don't appear here are unchecked in my configuration) What worries me in this case is that the CS4232 option appears only if I enable MPU-401 support. Why's that? The kernel recognizes my sound chip (cut from dmesg): Sound initialization started at 0x530 irq 5 dma 0,3 at 0x388 Sound initialization complete And finally, /dev/sndstat produces the following output: Sound Driver:3.5.4-960630 Kernel: Linux install 2.0.35 #3 Fri Jul 31 11:54:47 MST 1998 i586 Config options: 0 Installed drivers: Type 21: CS4232 Type 22: CS4232 MIDI Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM Type 5: Roland MPU-401 Card config: (CS4232 MIDI at 0x330 irq 9 drq 0) CS4232 at 0x530 irq 5 drq 0,3 (Roland MPU-401 at 0x330 irq 9 drq 0) OPL-2/OPL-3 FM at 0x388 drq 0 Audio devices: 0: CS4232 (CS4231) (DUPLEX) Synth devices: 0: Yamaha OPL-3 Midi devices: Timers: 0: System clock 1: CS4232 (CS4231) Mixers: 0: CS4232 (CS4231) If anybody has a pointer to where I might have done something wrong, any help is appreciated (of course)! Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 08:30:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23834 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18473; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18356; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18344; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (ts9port19.port.net [207.38.252.19]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA29995; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808021227.IAA29995@amsterdam.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.37 (Beta) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 08:27:25 -0400 To: Michael Geary From: richard Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 11:10 PM 8/1/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or I can >get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old drive. >Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all sound right, >except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a tiny >bit more power. Toshiba drives used to be very noisy - they would make a "thunking" noise periodically as the heads parked. I don't know if this continues to be true. Or whether it's worth the spread between $1250 and $600. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 10:19:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24851 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20064; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19908; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19896; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (slip129-37-106-101.wa.us.ibm.net [129.37.106.101]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA05690; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:15:57 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980802065256.038d1ee8@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Sender: johncal@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 06:52:56 -0700 To: richard , Michael Geary From: John Callahan Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199808021227.IAA29995@amsterdam.interport.net> References: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:27 AM 8/2/98 -0400, richard wrote: >At 11:10 PM 8/1/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >>I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or I can >>get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old drive. >>Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all sound right, >>except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a tiny >>bit more power. > >Toshiba drives used to be very noisy - they would make a "thunking" noise >periodically as the heads parked. > >I don't know if this continues to be true. Or whether it's worth the >spread between $1250 and $600. > I upgraded my ThinkPad 760E about a year ago using a Toshiba 2.1GB drive which is very quite. I also have a Toshiba Portege 650CT, about 1996 vintage, which has a 1.3GB factory installed drive, which I assume is a Toshiba drive. It does occasionally make the "thunking" noise. I guess you just pays your money and takes your chances. John ----- John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 13:28:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26844 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23933; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:25:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23834; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23820; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA26538; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4A1AC.51EF7AA5@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Callahan CC: richard , Michael Geary , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> <3.0.3.32.19980802065256.038d1ee8@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM drives are superior to toshiba drives.. don't try to confuse me with any disagreeable facts, they just ARE..! :-) the toshiba most likely WILL fit the 600, but, in the past, even though the specs say they are the same, toshiba has, IN THE PAST, used the one pair of address pins that is unused for something entirely different than IBM does.. so, like the guy says, you pays your money and you takes your chances.. :-) relax, its only money.. John Callahan wrote: > At 08:27 AM 8/2/98 -0400, richard wrote: > >At 11:10 PM 8/1/98 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: > >>I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or > I can > >>get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old > drive. > >>Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all > sound right, > >>except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a > tiny > >>bit more power. > > > >Toshiba drives used to be very noisy - they would make a "thunking" > noise > >periodically as the heads parked. > > > >I don't know if this continues to be true. Or whether it's worth > the > >spread between $1250 and $600. > > > > I upgraded my ThinkPad 760E about a year ago using a Toshiba 2.1GB > drive which is very quite. > > I also have a Toshiba Portege 650CT, about 1996 vintage, which has a > 1.3GB factory installed drive, which I assume is a Toshiba drive. It > does occasionally make the "thunking" noise. > > I guess you just pays your money and takes your chances. > > John > > ----- > John Callahan, Editor Information Technology Research > Enterprise Automation Report 2608 Second Avenue Suite 240 > Member: Computer Press Association Seattle, WA 98121 USA > Phone: (206) 282-7050 Web: http://www.itr.com -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 13:38:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26966 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24445; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:36:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24292; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24276; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA28401; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4A444.F55715A4@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:39:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael.. Also note: soon the IBM 6gig will hit the 'channel'.. don't ask me how soon, but my GUESS is within a month to 6 weeks.. AND, all you need do is put a piece of tape on any drive that you use.. so you can pull it out.. thats all thats on that little bracket.. perhaps a bit of foam or rubber 'filler' to keep the drive from having much room to move.. Michael Geary wrote: > I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or I can > get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old drive. > Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all sound right, > except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a tiny > bit more power. > > -Mike > > http://www.geary.com > mailto:mg@mg.to > ham:WJ6V -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 13:46:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27061 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25080; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:44:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24944; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24924; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA29653; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4A62B.41AA012F@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:47:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brianb@datasync.com" CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable References: <01BDBD48.0FB11380.Brianb@datasync.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Brian.. thats what you have.. BIOS: BUTUS30 (rev30) IS rev "O" thats an oh, not a zero.. Brian Bream wrote: > ---------- > From: Bill Morrow[SMTP:penzance@icanect.net] > Sent: Friday, July 31, 1998 11:06 AM > To: Rous56@AOL.COM > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: 701 floppy cable > > the most current bios is rev. "O" (thats an OH, not a zero) > can't update without a floppy.. > > I just got my 701 back from IBM, the system board had to be replaced and > they flashed the BIOS to the current rev, The system reports back the > following: > > BIOS: BUTUS30 (rev30) > DIAG: BFDUS1G (ver 1G) > > I went to the IBM site and checked the latest drivers and this is what they > list. Where or what is rev "O" and where might I get a copy of it ? > > Here is some useful 701 floppy stuff: > > Floppy drive: Dell ext Laptop floppy (Black case, Dell branded) works with > my 701 available from: > > http://bgm.bgmicro.com/scripts/bgminc.dll/display$COM1111 > the price is $12.50 + S&H > > Floppy drive: IBM part# 10H4056 $76.75 > > Floppy drive cable: IBM part# 04H6916 $29.00 > > EPP cable and FDD cable pack (Floppy and Parallel cable) IBM part# 10H4070 > $45.25 (This is a FRU for Part number 10H4069 that has been discontinued) > > Available from who else (IBM) :-) > > Thanks, > Brian Bream -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 13:55:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27108 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25506; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:53:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25372; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25359; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id NAA01289; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4A82C.B5EDA6C6@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:55:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "A. Kellerbauer" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module References: <35C336B4.F48BF0FD@my-dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu NONE of my memory suppliers have the 365X listed as supporting the 64meg part.. you have a very singular machine, 64meg DIMM, both of the foregoing, OR everyone is really dumb.. :-) many have said the 701 will not support the 32meg part.. even IBM said that early on.. and probably still shows that a 16meg part is the max in a 701.. (we all know this to be untrue) so it may well be that even though no one SUPPORTS the 64meg part in the 365X, it will work.. when asked, i will say it won't work, because i can't tell you it will when my vendors don't sell it for the 365X, AND i have no 365X upon which to experiment.. A. Kellerbauer wrote: > This question has been raised several times in the past: Will the 64 MB > SO-DIMM module (Option P/N 76H0268) work in the 365X/XD? > The answer that was given every time went like this: "IBM doesn't > support it and I heard that it doesn't work." > Well, I tried it yesterday on my 365XD, and it worked perfectly. At > Power-up, the BIOS counted to 73XXX, the memory test in the BIOS Setup > was successful, and Windows NT sees the full amount of RAM. I may add > that because the 365X/XD has no L2 cache, the de-facto 64 MB RAM limit > doesn't apply in this case. I experience a clear performance gain. Now > the machine runs very nicely under Windows NT. > I may add that I upgraded to the latest BIOS 1.10 recently. My machine > is Type 2625-GF9. > > A. Kellerbauer -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 13:59:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27182 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26004; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:56:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25651; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25638; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-225.usc.edu [128.125.223.225]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id KAA20806 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808021756.KAA20806@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 10:54:50 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? In-Reply-To: <35C4A444.F55715A4@icanect.net> References: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 01:39 PM 8/2/98 -0400, you wrote: >Also note: >soon the IBM 6gig will hit the 'channel'.. ...and when it does, it will cost a mint. Personally, I'd prefer to pay 1/2 price for a competitor. IBM: Love their Thinkpads, hate the cost of accessories. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 13:59:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27188 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26125; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:56:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25740; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25693; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg136-184.ricochet.net [204.179.136.184]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA23125; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001001bdbe3e$fb726570$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:57:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Or you can buy another IBM 4gb from Bill Morrow for $399 and use both. Right Bill? David Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:11 PM Subject: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? >I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or I can >get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old drive. >Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all sound right, >except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a tiny >bit more power. > >-Mike > >http://www.geary.com >mailto:mg@mg.to >ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:02:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27223 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26564; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:59:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26299; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26277; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p18.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.152]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA13788 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808021758.KAA13788@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 98 10:59:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad 425 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know anything about this machine, such as the processor? Was it even made in the US, or a foreign model? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:05:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27256 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27105; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:04:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26953; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26896; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA10724; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module In-Reply-To: <35C4A82C.B5EDA6C6@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu [Bill, please don't reply to me personally, I am also on the list.] I am aware of the fact that IBM doesn't officially support the 64 MB=20 module for the 365X/XD. However, this is not a hardware limitation. It is= =20 therefore quite possible that the newest BIOS revision 1.10 in fact makes= =20 it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that HDD's= =20 over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions on this= =20 machine. All I am saying that it is working for me on my 365XD with the latest=20 BIOS. If somebody else could confirm this on their machine, maybe you=20 could be convinced? Alban On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > NONE of my memory suppliers have the 365X listed as supporting the 64meg > part.. > you have a very singular machine, 64meg DIMM, both of the foregoing, OR > everyone is really dumb.. :-) >=20 > many have said the 701 will not support the 32meg part.. even IBM said th= at > early on.. and probably still shows that a 16meg part is the max in a 701= .. >=20 > (we all know this to be untrue) >=20 > so it may well be that even though no one SUPPORTS the 64meg part in the > 365X, it will work.. >=20 > when asked, i will say it won't work, because i can't tell you it will wh= en > my vendors don't sell it for the 365X, AND i have no 365X upon which to > experiment.. > ... McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:20:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27395 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27812; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:18:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27522; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27509; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (moab.demon.co.uk) [158.152.127.170] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z32hm-0001OJ-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:18:03 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 19:16:30 +0100 To: Jim Schneider Cc: ThinkPad From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: [Q]:TP770/600/560 PCMCIA boot option In-Reply-To: <199808010239.VAA32035@worf.netins.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu snip >> I have set this up to be able to restore a Win95 installation on my 770 >> backed up with DriveImage to a 1Gb Jaz. I boot off the floppy to a DOS >> prompt loading trackpoint (mouse), CD-ROM, SCSI PCMCIA and Jaz drivers. >> I then expect to be able to restore the relevant partition(s) from the >> Jaz. I haven't tried the restore yet but all the drivers load and I can >> run DriveImage and do the backup. >> -- > How about posting your config.sys & autoexec.bat ? > Here you are: config.sys: DOS=HIGH,UMB DEVICE=A:\HIMEM.SYS Device=A:\EMM386.EXE NOEMS x=D000-D7FF LASTDRIVE=Z DEVICE=A:\DRIVERS\IBMTPCD.SYS rem SystemSoft CardWorks(TM) PCMCIA drivers: device=A:\DRIVERS\CARDXTND.SYS device=A:\DRIVERS\SSCBTI.SYS device=A:\DRIVERS\CS.SYS/POLL:1 device=A:\DRIVERS\CSALLOC.EXE device=A:\DRIVERS\CARDID.SYS DEVICE=A:\DRIVERS\ASPI2DOS.SYS /D /PCMCIA /Z autoexec.bat @ECHO OFF PROMPT $P$G A:\DRIVERS\MSCDEX.EXE /D:TPCD001 /M:15 /L:G A:\DRIVERS\MOUSE.COM ECHO Locate and install correct Iomega drivers A:\DRIVERS\GUEST letter=h -- Greg Terrell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:44:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27649 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28494; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:42:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28373; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28361; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA10016; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4B3BF.C00A034C@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:45:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <199808020610.BAA19350@rgate2.ricochet.net> <199808021756.KAA20806@almaak.usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Randal.. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 01:39 PM 8/2/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Also note: > >soon the IBM 6gig will hit the 'channel'.. > > ...and when it does, it will cost a mint. > initially, yes..soon, however, the price will drop.. and in "MY" channel, i don't pay those prices.. can't..!! > Personally, I'd prefer to pay 1/2 price for a competitor. > IF the competitor is any good.. :-) > IBM: Love their Thinkpads, hate the cost of accessories. > we agree on this one..! > ------- > Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net > > *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! > - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:46:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27677 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28787; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:44:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28578; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28564; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA10331; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4B42E.A4E96B44@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:47:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Michael Geary Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <001001bdbe3e$fb726570$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David.. David W. Taylor wrote: > Or you can buy another IBM 4gb from Bill Morrow for $399 and use both. > thanks for the plug, but no..all my 4gig drives are sold.. :-) > Right Bill? > > David Taylor > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Geary > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:11 PM > Subject: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? > > >I can buy an IBM 6.4Gb drive that plugs into my TP600 for $1250, or I can > >get a Toshiba MK-6409MAV for $599 and reuse the bracket from my old drive. > >Has anyone been daring enough to try this drive? The specs all sound right, > >except it's 12.7mm high compared to the IBM's 12.5mm, and it uses a tiny > >bit more power. > > > >-Mike > > > >http://www.geary.com > >mailto:mg@mg.to > >ham:WJ6V -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:49:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27699 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29137; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:47:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28987; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28975; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA10863 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4B4F1.27AE96CC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:50:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Quite possible.. if i have the time monday, i'll call apricorn.. they are TP Proven and thus SHOULD know.. :-) Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > [Bill, please don't reply to me personally, I am also on the list.] > > I am aware of the fact that IBM doesn't officially support the 64 MB > module for the 365X/XD. However, this is not a hardware limitation. It = is > therefore quite possible that the newest BIOS revision 1.10 in fact mak= es > it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that HDD= 's > over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions on th= is > machine. > > All I am saying that it is working for me on my 365XD with the latest > BIOS. If somebody else could confirm this on their machine, maybe you > could be convinced? > > Alban > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > NONE of my memory suppliers have the 365X listed as supporting the 64= meg > > part.. > > you have a very singular machine, 64meg DIMM, both of the foregoing, = OR > > everyone is really dumb.. :-) > > > > many have said the 701 will not support the 32meg part.. even IBM sai= d that > > early on.. and probably still shows that a 16meg part is the max in a= 701.. > > > > (we all know this to be untrue) > > > > so it may well be that even though no one SUPPORTS the 64meg part in = the > > 365X, it will work.. > > > > when asked, i will say it won't work, because i can't tell you it wil= l when > > my vendors don't sell it for the 365X, AND i have no 365X upon which = to > > experiment.. > > ... > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 14:52:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA27719 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29552; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:50:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29366; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29352; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (161.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.161]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id OAA11327; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C4B595.935C4ACC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:53:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: John Callahan , Michael Geary , richard , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <199808021756.KAA13652@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu IBM makes IBM drives.. toshiba makes toshiba drives.. they are not even similar, let alone identical.. no truth to THAT.. period.. Paul Khoury wrote: > On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >IBM drives are superior to toshiba drives.. > >don't try to confuse me with any disagreeable facts, they just ARE..! > >:-) > > > >the toshiba most likely WILL fit the 600, but, in the past, even though > >the specs say they are the same, toshiba has, IN THE PAST, used the one > >pair of address pins that is unused for something entirely different than > >IBM does.. > > > >so, like the guy says, you pays your money and you takes your chances.. > > > >:-) > > > >relax, its only money.. > > One thing I heard from an Easyserve tech (maybe not completely true) > is that most of IBM's notebook drives are made by Toshiba. Some of them look similiar, but > others look more like genuine IBM's. > > Just my 2 cents... > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 15:43:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28281 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00787; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:41:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00647; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00634; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA10877; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:41:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module In-Reply-To: <35C4B4F1.27AE96CC@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill, who do you call before you try something new in bed? Alban On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > Quite possible.. > if i have the time monday, i'll call apricorn.. > they are TP Proven and thus SHOULD know.. :-) >=20 > Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > > [Bill, please don't reply to me personally, I am also on the list.] > > > > I am aware of the fact that IBM doesn't officially support the 64 MB > > module for the 365X/XD. However, this is not a hardware limitation. It = is > > therefore quite possible that the newest BIOS revision 1.10 in fact mak= es > > it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that HDD= 's > > over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions on th= is > > machine. > > > > All I am saying that it is working for me on my 365XD with the latest > > BIOS. If somebody else could confirm this on their machine, maybe you > > could be convinced? > > > > Alban > > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > NONE of my memory suppliers have the 365X listed as supporting the 64= meg > > > part.. > > > you have a very singular machine, 64meg DIMM, both of the foregoing, = OR > > > everyone is really dumb.. :-) > > > > > > many have said the 701 will not support the 32meg part.. even IBM sai= d that > > > early on.. and probably still shows that a 16meg part is the max in a= 701.. > > > > > > (we all know this to be untrue) > > > > > > so it may well be that even though no one SUPPORTS the 64meg part in = the > > > 365X, it will work.. > > > > > > when asked, i will say it won't work, because i can't tell you it wil= l when > > > my vendors don't sell it for the 365X, AND i have no 365X upon which = to > > > experiment.. > > > ... > > > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > > UIN 8141789 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Happy Trails... :-) > ** Bill Morrow ** > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone >=20 >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 15:53:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28456 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26665; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:00:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26369; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26356; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p18.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.152]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA13652; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808021756.KAA13652@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Bill Morrow" , "John Callahan" Cc: "Michael Geary" , "richard" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 98 10:56:57 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >IBM drives are superior to toshiba drives.. >don't try to confuse me with any disagreeable facts, they just ARE..! >:-) > >the toshiba most likely WILL fit the 600, but, in the past, even though >the specs say they are the same, toshiba has, IN THE PAST, used the one >pair of address pins that is unused for something entirely different than >IBM does.. > >so, like the guy says, you pays your money and you takes your chances.. > >:-) > >relax, its only money.. One thing I heard from an Easyserve tech (maybe not completely true) is that most of IBM's notebook drives are made by Toshiba. Some of them look similiar, but others look more like genuine IBM's. Just my 2 cents... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 17:08:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA29464 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02495; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:05:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02325; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02313; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from capecod.net (camb0836.capecod.net [208.239.1.74]) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.0/8.9.0/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27077 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:04:56 -0400 Message-ID: <35C4D316.B33F72C1@capecod.net> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 16:59:02 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: TP760XD WARP4.0 AND FIXPACK7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone tried to upgrade Warp 4 to FIXPACK 7 on a TP760XD? I tried and it was a disaster. The mouse problem still hasn't been fixed. There was another showstopperbut I can't remember what it was. I backed out the installation and am sticking with FIXPACK 6 for a while. BOB From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 18:47:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01269 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04880; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:45:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04743; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04729; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a20.pm3-30.theriver.com [206.102.195.148]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08035; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:45:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35C4EBED.D0B041FC@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:45:01 -0700 From: James J Mckenzie Reply-To: os2support@theriver.com Organization: None X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP760XD WARP4.0 AND FIXPACK7 References: <35C4D316.B33F72C1@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I tried using FixPack 7 on my desktop and it failed. I backed out to FP 5 and I think I'm going to stay there. James rdietric wrote: > > Has anyone tried to upgrade Warp 4 to FIXPACK 7 on a TP760XD? I tried > and it was a disaster. The mouse problem still hasn't been fixed. > There was another showstopperbut I can't remember what it was. I backed > out the installation and am sticking with FIXPACK 6 for a while. > BOB From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 21:02:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03430 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07254; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:59:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07120; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07107; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-97.az.com (seawesta-97.az.com [204.201.18.97]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA06170 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808030056.RAA06170@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 98 18:13:43 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 365XD harddrive issue Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT), Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that HDD's >over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions on this >machine. If I understand this correctly there is a special 2.1 HD for the 365XD. Now does that mean early bios would support only that and now the newest (for win98) BIOS upgrade will support larger harddrives? And if so, which ones and their P/N? Also still no word really one that error with my harddrive. I'm gonna be going to an OS/2 user group meeting this wednesday so I'll ask around up there. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 2 23:12:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA05001 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10148; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:10:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10018; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10006; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id XAA11200; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:10:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: LightSide Subject: Re: 365XD harddrive issue In-Reply-To: <199808030056.RAA06170@lucy.az.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You can use any slimline (12 mm thick) 2.5-inch IDE hard drive with the=20 365X/XD and the latest BIOS. There may be an issue with the screw holes=20 for the small metal bracket that holds the drive in place. Not all drives= =20 have the holes in the same place.=20 If you don't have the latest BIOS, you can do a flash upgrade in about=20 three minutes. Alban On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, LightSide wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT), Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > >it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that HDD'= s=20 > >over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions on thi= s=20 > >machine. >=20 > If I understand this correctly there is a special 2.1 HD for the 365XD. N= ow does that mean early > bios would support only that and now the newest (for win98) BIOS upgrade = will support larger > harddrives? And if so, which ones and their P/N? >=20 >=20 > Also still no word really one that error with my harddrive. I'm gonna be = going to an OS/2 user group meeting=20 > this wednesday so I'll ask around up there.=20 >=20 >=20 > Robert >=20 >=20 > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 00:37:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06118 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12486; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:35:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12385; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:35:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12373; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26243 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: <199808030056.RAA06170@lucy.az.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings everyone, Is it possible to upgrade a 385ED to Win98 but what about the drivers required for the built in stuff? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 00:42:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06145 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12841; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:40:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12686; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12674; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-113-77.pa.us.ibm.net [129.37.113.77]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id EAA87946 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 04:40:43 GMT Message-ID: <35C53F44.A878DD22@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 00:40:36 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module References: <35C336B4.F48BF0FD@my-dejanews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am considering to test a 64MB DIMM module in a 365XD. Is it possible to damage the DIMM module or the ThinkPad in case it doesn't work? Friedrich Huebler A. Kellerbauer wrote: > This question has been raised several times in the past: Will the 64 MB > SO-DIMM module (Option P/N 76H0268) work in the 365X/XD? > The answer that was given every time went like this: "IBM doesn't > support it and I heard that it doesn't work." > Well, I tried it yesterday on my 365XD, and it worked perfectly. [...] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 00:47:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06237 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13217; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:46:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13115; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13096; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA11261; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:46:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Vincent Poy Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Vince, go to "http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3DIBM+ThinkPad", then=20 "Operating System and Related Information". You will find that new drivers for your computer were released on June=20 24, the same day that Win 98 was also released. Win 98 is fully supported= =20 on your ThinkPad. You may also want to read the document "What's new for Windows 98 on=20 ThinkPads" on IBM's site. "http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12e22.html" Alban On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: > Greetings everyone, >=20 > =09Is it possible to upgrade a 385ED to Win98 but what about the > drivers required for the built in stuff? >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ __= __=20 > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__= ] > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __= ] ] =20 > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __= ] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[__= __] >=20 >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 00:54:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA06285 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13641; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:52:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13522; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13510; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA11266; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 00:52:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Friedrich Huebler Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module In-Reply-To: <35C53F44.A878DD22@ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Friedrich, I have heard of reports that the modules didn't work (though not=20 first-hand), but I haven't heard of instances where any damage was=20 done. There shouldn't be any risk. Please do try it so that we can=20 confirm my successful attempt. If you haven't already upgraded to the=20 latest BIOS revision 1.10, try once before and once after the upgrade.=20 This way we will know if it is now possible due to the new BIOS. Alban On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Friedrich Huebler wrote: > I am considering to test a 64MB DIMM module in a 365XD. Is it possible t= o > damage the DIMM module or the ThinkPad in case it doesn't work? >=20 > Friedrich Huebler >=20 > A. Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > > This question has been raised several times in the past: Will the 64 MB > > SO-DIMM module (Option P/N 76H0268) work in the 365X/XD? > > The answer that was given every time went like this: "IBM doesn't > > support it and I heard that it doesn't work." > > Well, I tried it yesterday on my 365XD, and it worked perfectly. [...] >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 01:22:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06642 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14313; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:20:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14212; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14200; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA26687; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer cc: Vincent Poy Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: Hi Alban, > Vince, go to "http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3DIBM+ThinkPad", then=20 > "Operating System and Related Information". >=20 > You will find that new drivers for your computer were released on June=20 > 24, the same day that Win 98 was also released. Win 98 is fully supported= =20 > on your ThinkPad. >=20 > You may also want to read the document "What's new for Windows 98 on=20 > ThinkPads" on IBM's site. "http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12e22.html" =09Thanks for the quick reply... Your help is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____= =20 Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ = ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] = ] =20 Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] = ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____= ] > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: >=20 > > Greetings everyone, > >=20 > > =09Is it possible to upgrade a 385ED to Win98 but what about the > > drivers required for the built in stuff? > >=20 > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ = ____=20 > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[= __ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | = __] ] =20 > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | = __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[= ____] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > A. Kellerbauer >=20 > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 >=20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 01:55:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07032 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15051; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:54:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14909; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14897; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27848 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <199808030552.WAA27848@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: <199808030552.WAA27848@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "Bill Morrow" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 98 22:52:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:53:09 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >IBM makes IBM drives.. >toshiba makes toshiba drives.. >they are not even similar, let alone identical.. >no truth to THAT.. period.. That's only what I HEARD, not what I BELIEVE. I expressed lots of doubt to the technician, but who knows. Seriously, some of the newer drives look VERY similiar to Toshibas, but who knows. Maybe they make the logic boards... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 01:56:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07046 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15174; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14980; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14957; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.181]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27928; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 22:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808030553.WAA27928@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bill Morrow" Date: Sun, 02 Aug 98 22:54:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu If it also makes sense, notice that some of the drives say" Made FOR IBM in c1 (where c1=country of origin). Not always made BY, but FOR. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 13:59:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA19142 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13471; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:54:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13147; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13134; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19918; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:54:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19907; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:54:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980803134504.00a0a430@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:45:04 -0400 To: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module In-Reply-To: References: <35C4B4F1.27AE96CC@icanect.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 03:41 PM 8/2/98 -0400, Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >Bill, who do you call before you try something new in bed? > >Alban > This was uncalled for - with or without a smiley, and I, for one, am offended by it. And, yes, I know you're on the list, but I'm emailing you directly as well because I want to make sure you get the message. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 14:18:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19440 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14546; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:11:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14389; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14377; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id NAA16044 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:12:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (n-01gwgate01.us.fortis.com [167.79.36.4]) by ns.us.fortis.com with SMTP id NAA16039 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:12:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:06:58 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:04:12 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I KNEW you would reply. As soon as I read the words I said to myself... "Self, Jane's gonna be mad about that one". Although in this case you are correct, it was quite inappropriate and should not have been sent to the list. >>> Jane Loyless 08/03/98 11:45am >>> At 03:41 PM 8/2/98 -0400, Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >Bill, who do you call before you try something new in bed? > >Alban > >This was uncalled for - with or without a smiley, and I, for one, am >offended by it. >And, yes, I know you're on the list, but I'm emailing you directly as well >because I want to make sure you get the message. >Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 14:25:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA19502 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15535; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:23:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15404; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15390; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id OAA12816; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980803134504.00a0a430@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jane, the objection as to the political correctness of my remark is=20 noted. I realize that I should have asked: "Bill, who do you call before you try a new cereal?" What I meant with this remark, obviously (I thought), is that if we go=20 through life asking some authority for permission everytime before we try= =20 something new, we don't get very far. While I will simply try something=20 out after careful consideration of the risks and chances, some people=20 will wait for permission before taking even the smallest steps. If you have ever read Kafka's "The Trial", you may remember the scene in=20 the cathedral that deals with this very problem. This is all the additional bandwidth that I am willing to waste on the=20 subject. Alban On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Jane Loyless wrote: > At 03:41 PM 8/2/98 -0400, Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > >Bill, who do you call before you try something new in bed? > > > >Alban > > >=20 > This was uncalled for - with or without a smiley, and I, for one, am > offended by it. >=20 > And, yes, I know you're on the list, but I'm emailing you directly as wel= l > because I want to make sure you get the message. >=20 > Jane >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 15:03:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20139 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17587; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:58:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17417; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17391; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p41.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.175]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA18569 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808031857.LAA18569@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 11:57:45 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad chats Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was wondering, are there any kind of chat forums for ThinkPads, including IRC? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 15:19:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20511 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18917; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:17:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18740; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18728; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-93.az.com (seawesta-93.az.com [204.201.18.93]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA08165 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808031914.MAA08165@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 12:31:31 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HD problems again! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, Once again, I have lost my data on the harddrive after getting both OS/2 and Win95 installed and configured. It works great for about a day or two then it just loses the whole thing. Just sits there with that sickening blank screen and the cursor up in the top corner. At one time I had just DOS and OS/2 on the laptop and it did the same thing. Except in that case, it just lost the entire entry table on the OS/2 partition and chkdsk found lost directories and stuff but nothing that would help recover it. I've tried all primaries (OS/2 's fdisk allows that upto 4), one primary and one logical. I have on my tower computer simular setups (multiple OS's controlled by Boot Manager) and I have never had the system just lose access to an entire partition let alone OS. I've tried putting boot manager at the begining and the end of freespace when I start and nothing seems to change. Maybe a week of use before it just eats it. If a harddrive is going bad, would that do that? I'm totally scratching my head on this one. Anyone know of utilities (besides the startup ones on the thinkpad) that will test a 365XD's harddrive? Maybe it's giving up ship. =( Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 15:37:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20760 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19843; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:29:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19713; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19694; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-003-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.99]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15937; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:28:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35C60F72.2B81E650@cia-g.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 13:28:50 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonland Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: Bill Morrow , John Callahan , Michael Geary , richard , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <199808021756.KAA13652@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I think that is only partially true... most of the very large drives are made by Toshiba initially... but then IBM makes its own after the market is secure... and what is more interesting to me is that a great number of the Compaq hard drives have been made by IBM. I think they all switch around to keep inventory and competition up and raring. Toshiba is most probably the manufacturer of the new 6 Gb drive. And Toshiba made at least the first batch of the over 4 Gb... Ray Paul Khoury wrote: > On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >IBM drives are superior to toshiba drives.. > >don't try to confuse me with any disagreeable facts, they just ARE..! > >:-) > > > >the toshiba most likely WILL fit the 600, but, in the past, even though > >the specs say they are the same, toshiba has, IN THE PAST, used the one > >pair of address pins that is unused for something entirely different than > >IBM does.. > > > >so, like the guy says, you pays your money and you takes your chances.. > > > >:-) > > > >relax, its only money.. > > One thing I heard from an Easyserve tech (maybe not completely true) > is that most of IBM's notebook drives are made by Toshiba. Some of them look similiar, but > others look more like genuine IBM's. > > Just my 2 cents... > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 > ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 15:41:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20839 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20671; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:40:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20506; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20490; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p41.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.175]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22236; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808031939.MAA22236@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "LightSide" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 12:38:56 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD problems again! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > >If a harddrive is going bad, would that do that? I'm totally scratching my head on this one. Anyone know of >utilities (besides the startup ones on the thinkpad) that will test a 365XD's harddrive? Maybe it's giving up >ship. =( It could just be a bad drive. I've lost a total drive, because a SCSI drive I was using was flaky (but has since been replaced). I've also lost a complete partition (HPFS) on my 701 (which I still have yet to recover), but I know what caused that. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 15:44:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA20855 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20960; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20778; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20766; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id OAA05981; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:43:46 -0500 Message-ID: <35C612A5.F7701AD4@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.35]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 19:41:53 UT Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:42:29 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: HD problems again! References: <199808031914.MAA08165@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You might try Partition Magic. I don't have much experience with it, but I know it is quite powerful in terms of partition manipulation. It may have some utilities that allow you to salvage things. HTH, Rob LightSide wrote: > > Hello again, > > Once again, I have lost my data on the harddrive after getting both OS/2 and Win95 installed and configured. > It works great for about a day or two then it just loses the whole thing. Just sits there with that sickening blank > screen and the cursor up in the top corner. > At one time I had just DOS and OS/2 on the laptop and it did the same thing. Except in that case, it just lost > the entire entry table on the OS/2 partition and chkdsk found lost directories and stuff but nothing that would > help recover it. I've tried all primaries (OS/2 's fdisk allows that upto 4), one primary and one logical. > I have on my tower computer simular setups (multiple OS's controlled by Boot Manager) and I have never > had the system just lose access to an entire partition let alone OS. I've tried putting boot manager at the > begining and the end of freespace when I start and nothing seems to change. Maybe a week of use before it > just eats it. > > If a harddrive is going bad, would that do that? I'm totally scratching my head on this one. Anyone know of > utilities (besides the startup ones on the thinkpad) that will test a 365XD's harddrive? Maybe it's giving up > ship. =( > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 16:28:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21503 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23399; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:24:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23245; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23233; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-003-apm1.cia-g.com [207.66.81.99]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17740 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35C61C83.141DCB63@cia-g.com> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:24:35 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonland Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Some Good IBM-related reading Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is not exactly Thinkpad related, so is a bit off topic For the many participants on this list who use, enjoy or follow Free Software Foundation, IBM, Linus Torvalds, Linux, Richard Stallman, BIND, Apache, Perl, or send mail, the corporate world is paying attention via a Forbes article at http://www.forbes.com/forbes/98/0810/6209094a.htm and IBM is to announce an advance in chips in a New York Times article: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/08/biztech/articles/03ibm.html which discusses IBM's a significant new manufacturing process to produce semiconductor chips with higher speeds and lower power consumption. Ray From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 16:29:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21542 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23609; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:27:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23483; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23469; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id VAA22474 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:26:30 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Mon, 3 Aug 98 21:25 BST-1 From: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Kingston) Subject: Newcomer To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's suggested I describe my Thinkpad as a kick-off, so: Thinkpad 360C purchased Jan 1995. "Tin can" replaced to correct manufacturing flaw - now 486DX 25/50, instead of original 486SL 33. Memory upgraded from 8MB to 20MB (what do you do with a 4MB module?) Hard disk replaced - was 340MB, now 1.2GB (IBM Servicepoint told me "that' drive's not supposed to be in a 360C). Hard disk is partitioned - running Win 3.1, Win95A, OS/2 Warp 3. Mike Kingston ......................... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 16:45:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21849 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25757; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25612; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25600; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15938 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:42:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA15924 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:42:58 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980803163349.00afda60@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:33:49 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.19980803134504.00a0a430@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 02:23 PM 8/3/98 -0400, you wrote: >Jane, the objection as to the political correctness of my remark is >noted. > Political correctness has nothing to do with my objection. When I want to dredge a sewer for information, I read comp.sys.laptops. When I look for a civil and informed discussion of ThinkPads and Armadas, I read the ThinkPad and Armada mailing lists. Jane From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 16:45:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21854 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25390; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:39:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25146; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenge.e-net.com (challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25132; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw1.mcda.org by challenge.e-net.com via SMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/940406.SGI.AUTO) id PAA09294; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:40:25 -0500 Message-ID: <35C61FEC.E2458725@csc.com> Received: from RBELL1 ([170.159.61.35]) by gw1.mcda.org via smtpd (for challenge.e-net.com [204.95.186.2]) with SMTP; 3 Aug 1998 20:38:32 UT Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:39:08 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Newcomer References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Michael Kingston wrote: > Memory upgraded from 8MB to 20MB (what do you do with a 4MB module?) If you're looking to get rid of the extra module, try selling it on eBay (www.ebay.com). eBay is an online auction center that allows you to buy and sell merchandise. (I have no affiliation other than being a user.) Later, Rob -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 17:18:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22400 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28028; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:16:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27847; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27835; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs430158-a.cghy1.ab.wave.home.com [24.64.58.142] (HELO thinkpad) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_0167_35c6_27d8_26ec; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:12:56 -0700 Message-ID: <00f901bdbf23$4522a1a0$0200005a@thinkpad.Moorgate> Reply-To: "David S. Crombie" From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Newcomer Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:11:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Rob, ..Or you could glue a magnet on the back and stick it to your fridge - it'd be a nice decoration. (I had a 360C 4 MB module and tried to sell it - not one bite). Good luck though, I'm sure someone somewhere would want one (maybe the guy who stole my 360C!) Do you have your harddrive compressed? (I had a laughable 170 MB drive compressed running win95 on 4 MB - kinda slow) Dave >Michael Kingston wrote: >> Memory upgraded from 8MB to 20MB (what do you do with a 4MB module?) > >If you're looking to get rid of the extra module, try selling it on eBay >(www.ebay.com). eBay is an online auction center that allows you to buy >and sell merchandise. (I have no affiliation other than being a user.) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 17:32:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22697 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28805; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:27:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28519; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from REG.TRIUMF.CA (reg.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28507; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (slip-32-100-149-247.wa.us.ibm.net) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:26:25 PST From: "peter machule" To: "David S. Crombie" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: What to do with a 360c memory module ? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:26:05 -0000 Message-ID: <01bdbeea$a66b0c60$LocalHost@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My very good deed for the day.(grin) Sell it as a HP laserjet 6L memory upgrade module. Yes they are the same. They are both based on the JEDA spec. I'm using one right now. ..pter.. -----Original Message----- From: David S. Crombie To: Thinkpad List Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:16 PM Subject: Re: Newcomer >Rob, >..Or you could glue a magnet on the back and stick it to your fridge - it'd >be a nice decoration. (I had a 360C 4 MB module and tried to sell it - not >one bite). Good luck though, I'm sure someone somewhere would want one >(maybe the guy who stole my 360C!) > >Do you have your harddrive compressed? (I had a laughable 170 MB drive >compressed running win95 on 4 MB - kinda slow) > >Dave > > >>Michael Kingston wrote: >>> Memory upgraded from 8MB to 20MB (what do you do with a 4MB module?) >> >>If you're looking to get rid of the extra module, try selling it on eBay >>(www.ebay.com). eBay is an online auction center that allows you to buy >>and sell merchandise. (I have no affiliation other than being a user.) > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 17:38:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22813 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29511; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:35:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29215; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29192; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA13126; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:35:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: peter machule Subject: Re: What to do with a 360c memory module ? In-Reply-To: <01bdbeea$a66b0c60$LocalHost@peter> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu So maybe you can also tell me who will take one 8 MB SO-DIMM module and one= =20 16 MB SO-DIMM module for the 760 off my hands? I have been trying to sell= =20 those for a long time. Alban On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, peter machule wrote: > My very good deed for the day.(grin) >=20 > Sell it as a HP laserjet 6L memory upgrade module. > Yes they are the same. > They are both based on the JEDA spec. > I'm using one right now. > ..pter.. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David S. Crombie > To: Thinkpad List > Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: Newcomer >=20 >=20 > >Rob, > >..Or you could glue a magnet on the back and stick it to your fridge - i= t'd > >be a nice decoration. (I had a 360C 4 MB module and tried to sell it - = not > >one bite). Good luck though, I'm sure someone somewhere would want one > >(maybe the guy who stole my 360C!) > > > >Do you have your harddrive compressed? (I had a laughable 170 MB drive > >compressed running win95 on 4 MB - kinda slow) > > > >Dave > > > > > >>Michael Kingston wrote: > >>> Memory upgraded from 8MB to 20MB (what do you do with a 4MB module?) > >> > >>If you're looking to get rid of the extra module, try selling it on eBa= y > >>(www.ebay.com). eBay is an online auction center that allows you to bu= y > >>and sell merchandise. (I have no affiliation other than being a user.) > > >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 17:41:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22855 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29882; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:38:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29617; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29582; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA14765; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:38:39 -1000 Message-ID: <003001bdbf27$4272ee20$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "peter machule" , "David S. Crombie" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: What to do with a 360c memory module ? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 11:39:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Sell it as a HP laserjet 6L memory upgrade module. >Yes they are the same. Boy, it would be great to have this kind of information easily available for all 'proprietary' memory! A week or two ago I posted a list of non-IBM machines that use the same modules (under different labels) as the TP385/760/560 etc. I only got this info by accident. This kind of information can make it much easier to sell old memory. Anyone have a clue whether such cross-reference information is available somewhere online? David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 17:55:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23009 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00887; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:51:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00761; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00744; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA20623; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C63186.7BB6ED35@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:54:14 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: ThinkPad chats References: <199808031857.LAA18569@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. Yes, there is.. Paul Khoury wrote: > I was wondering, are there any kind of chat forums for ThinkPads, including > IRC? > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 18:00:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23121 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01520; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:58:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01333; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01321; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA22657; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C63316.C750929@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:00:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles CC: Paul Khoury , John Callahan , Michael Geary , richard , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Toshiba MK-6409MAV in TP600? References: <199808021756.KAA13652@ritchie.loop.com> <35C60F72.2B81E650@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Can i say "BS" here and not be thought too crude..? :-) toshiba is NOT the first to market.. if so, please send me a 17mm tochiba 8.1gig or 16gig notebook hard drive.. that is a 2.5inch platter.. the drives look nothing alike.. well, let me qualify that.. up to the point i STOPPED BUYING toshiba drives, they had NO RESEMBLANCE al all to an IBM mfg. drive.. PERIOD..!!! if you have ANY small doubt, then take a look and compare specs on the toshiba and IBM HDD sites.. OH, why did i stop buying toshiba drives.. i had about 22% failure rate on a bunch of 1.3 and 2.1gig, 19mm toshiba drives.. cost me money and my customers time and data recovering from these crashes.. :-) Ray Bayles wrote: > I think that is only partially true... most of the very large > drives are made by Toshiba initially... but then IBM > makes its own after the market is secure... and what > is more interesting to me is that a great number of the > Compaq hard drives have been made by IBM. I think > they all switch around to keep inventory and competition > up and raring. > > Toshiba is most probably the manufacturer of the new > 6 Gb drive. And Toshiba made at least the first batch > of the over 4 Gb... > > Ray > > Paul Khoury wrote: > > > On Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:28:13 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > >IBM drives are superior to toshiba drives.. > > >don't try to confuse me with any disagreeable facts, they just ARE..! > > >:-) > > > > > >the toshiba most likely WILL fit the 600, but, in the past, even though > > >the specs say they are the same, toshiba has, IN THE PAST, used the one > > >pair of address pins that is unused for something entirely different than > > >IBM does.. > > > > > >so, like the guy says, you pays your money and you takes your chances.. > > > > > >:-) > > > > > >relax, its only money.. > > > > One thing I heard from an Easyserve tech (maybe not completely true) > > is that most of IBM's notebook drives are made by Toshiba. Some of them look similiar, but > > others look more like genuine IBM's. > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > -- > > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 > > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 18:02:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23131 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01878; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:00:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01592; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01545; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id RAA23295; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C6337F.710F3CD@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:02:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule CC: "David S. Crombie" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: What to do with a 360c memory module ? References: <01bdbeea$a66b0c60$LocalHost@peter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Me too.. an really beat up simple technology 8 meg part that i could not even give away.. peter machule wrote: > My very good deed for the day.(grin) > > Sell it as a HP laserjet 6L memory upgrade module. > Yes they are the same. > They are both based on the JEDA spec. > I'm using one right now. > ..pter.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David S. Crombie > To: Thinkpad List > Date: Monday, August 03, 1998 10:16 PM > Subject: Re: Newcomer > > >Rob, > >..Or you could glue a magnet on the back and stick it to your fridge - it'd > >be a nice decoration. (I had a 360C 4 MB module and tried to sell it - not > >one bite). Good luck though, I'm sure someone somewhere would want one > >(maybe the guy who stole my 360C!) > > > >Do you have your harddrive compressed? (I had a laughable 170 MB drive > >compressed running win95 on 4 MB - kinda slow) > > > >Dave > > > > > >>Michael Kingston wrote: > >>> Memory upgraded from 8MB to 20MB (what do you do with a 4MB module?) > >> > >>If you're looking to get rid of the extra module, try selling it on eBay > >>(www.ebay.com). eBay is an online auction center that allows you to buy > >>and sell merchandise. (I have no affiliation other than being a user.) > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 18:09:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA23244 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02534; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02414; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02395; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA25872; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35C6355C.1275625A@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:10:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Again: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If this question is directed toward ME.. i usually call no one, i just go for it..!! :-) trouble is, the 'energy' usually dissapates before all the 'toys' are gat= hered.. :-\ SO, spontenaiety is really the best way.. now, we come to memory and trying an 'unsupported' part in a thinkpad or = any other machine.. I sure would try it.. nothing much to loose.. USUALLY it'll work or it won't.. on that rare occasuion when there is a loud "POP" and a small spiral of s= moke flows >from the trackpoint, well.. youse pays yer money and youse takes yer chances.. BUT, when i sell a memory part to someone, they'll ask for my considered = advice.. i'll tell'em this is what the mfg says.. if i had a 365X to test, i sure would test it.. then i could say this is = what my experiences were.. AND, i sure take no offense when you say try it, maybe you'll like it.. = :-) Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > Bill, who do you call before you try something new in bed? > > Alban > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Quite possible.. > > if i have the time monday, i'll call apricorn.. > > they are TP Proven and thus SHOULD know.. :-) > > > > Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > > > > > [Bill, please don't reply to me personally, I am also on the list.] > > > > > > I am aware of the fact that IBM doesn't officially support the 64 M= B > > > module for the 365X/XD. However, this is not a hardware limitation.= It is > > > therefore quite possible that the newest BIOS revision 1.10 in fact= makes > > > it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that= HDD's > > > over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions o= n this > > > machine. > > > > > > All I am saying that it is working for me on my 365XD with the late= st > > > BIOS. If somebody else could confirm this on their machine, maybe y= ou > > > could be convinced? > > > > > > Alban > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > NONE of my memory suppliers have the 365X listed as supporting th= e 64meg > > > > part.. > > > > you have a very singular machine, 64meg DIMM, both of the foregoi= ng, OR > > > > everyone is really dumb.. :-) > > > > > > > > many have said the 701 will not support the 32meg part.. even IBM= said that > > > > early on.. and probably still shows that a 16meg part is the max = in a 701.. > > > > > > > > (we all know this to be untrue) > > > > > > > > so it may well be that even though no one SUPPORTS the 64meg part= in the > > > > 365X, it will work.. > > > > > > > > when asked, i will say it won't work, because i can't tell you it= will when > > > > my vendors don't sell it for the 365X, AND i have no 365X upon wh= ich to > > > > experiment.. > > > > ... > > > > > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > > > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > > > UIN 8141789 > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy Trails... :-) > > ** Bill Morrow ** > > WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com > > DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > > bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com > > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad > > Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone > > > > > > A. Kellerbauer > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 19:24:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24284 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05501; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:22:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05367; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05355; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808032322.TAA05355@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 2 Aug 1988 16:18:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 16:22:27 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Trackpoint Scroll in WINOS2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu In the past month I have gotten to really like the third button trackpoint scroll feature on my new tp600. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work in winos2 sessions. I may have messed it up under a rocky feature install, but before I try to fix it, I wanted to find out if this should normally work. Does anybody else have trackpoint scroll working under WINOS2 (Warp 4 fixpack 6)? If so, I have some specific questions to ask about your install. Thanks much. -Victor ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 3 21:11:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA28206 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09365; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:09:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09214; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09201; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a10.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.10]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01614; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808040108.VAA01614@pike.sover.net> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:02:45 -0400 To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" In-Reply-To: <199808031914.MAA08165@lucy.az.com> Subject: Re: HD problems again! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have recovered data off drives (usually HPFS) with the Gammer Tech Utilities. --Including drives where the entire director structure was destroyed. >Once again, I have lost my data on the harddrive after getting both OS/2 >and Win95 installed and configured. It works great for about a day or >two then it just loses the whole thing. Just sits there with that >sickening blank screen and the cursor up in the top corner. > At one time I had just DOS and OS/2 on the laptop and it did the same >thing. Except in that case, it just lost the entire entry table on the >OS/2 partition and chkdsk found lost directories and stuff but nothing >that would help recover it. I've tried all primaries (OS/2 's fdisk >allows that upto 4), one primary and one logical. > I have on my tower computer simular setups (multiple OS's controlled >by Boot Manager) and I have never had the system just lose access to an >entire partition let alone OS. I've tried putting boot manager at the >begining and the end of freespace when I start and nothing seems to >change. Maybe a week of use before it just eats it. >If a harddrive is going bad, would that do that? I'm totally scratching >my head on this one. Anyone know of utilities (besides the startup ones >on the thinkpad) that will test a 365XD's harddrive? Maybe it's giving up > ship. =( >Robert >Robert Mears >Certified Key and Button Pusher >robertm@az.com >OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 00:58:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA08724 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16163; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:56:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16063; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16051; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:56:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CCLZa27848 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f906358.35c69454@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:55:47 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ThinkPad 365X/XD and 64 MB RAM module Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >> Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > >If you have ever read Kafka's "The Trial", you may remember the scene in > >the cathedral that deals with this very problem. Hmm. The invocation of Kafka in the current context strikes me as rather grand. If memory serves, Kafka wrote for a higher purpose than the mere humiliation of an individual who was only trying to help. Besides, from what I hear, Bill *should* be careful before trying new things in bed. I understand there's sometimes a problem with the new slimline models being unable to accomodate his hardware. :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 01:14:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09345 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16715; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:12:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16582; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16567; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-89.az.com (seawesta-89.az.com [204.201.18.89]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA03504 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808040509.WAA03504@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:26:54 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD problems again! Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:42:29 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >You might try Partition Magic. I don't have much experience with it, >but I know it is quite powerful in terms of partition manipulation. It >may have some utilities that allow you to salvage things. It was base installation. No real critical data. Only stuff lost was the custom INI settings in programs I put on. Nothing but time loss on this (sounds like soon to be money too), but I don't have time to keep installing and reinstalling over and over and over. I've lost more hours of sleep (averaged 4.5 hours last week) working on computer related stuff. But thank you for the tips. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 01:22:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09664 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17135; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:21:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17022; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (voltimand.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17010; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from la (montrose@plugh.lcs.com [199.1.93.10]) by voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA17385 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:20:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980803222905.007e75a0@pop.wwwi.com> X-Sender: lcs@pop.wwwi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:29:05 -0700 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Craig Larsen Subject: 800x600 on 770ED In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980803163349.00afda60@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19980803134504.00a0a430@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi.. Has anyone on this list tried running their 770ED at 800x600 ? Please let me know how it looks with and without screen stretching. Thanks in advance ! Craig Larsen Larsen Consulting and Sales, Inc. Mesa, AZ USA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 01:32:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA10004 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17700; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:30:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17564; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17544; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from TPincoming@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CCMPa20768 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:30:10 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fw: HD problems again! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >It was base installation. No real critical data. Only stuff lost was the > custom INI settings in programs I put on. > >Nothing but time loss on this (sounds like soon to be money too), but I > don't have time to keep installing and > >reinstalling over and over and over. I've lost more hours of sleep > (averaged 4.5 hours last week) working on > >computer related stuff. But thank you for the tips. > > > >Robert Mears > >Certified Key and Button Pusher > >robertm@az.com > >OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games Robert, You might look into Spinrite. 5 It sounds like it addresses many of the problems you're experiencing. It's at www.spinrite.com Kevin From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 03:05:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA13445 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20482; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:01:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20162; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20113; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AM (AM [202.27.183.23]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ba290291 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:01:39 -0400 Message-ID: <013601bdbf76$4c57a3a0$17b71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: 800x600 on 770ED Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:37:08 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I hate to say this, but why don't you just try this our yourself and see?? With windows 95 etc it take about 10 seconds to reset the resolution and see on the spot. Granted Linux and others might not be able to do this, but unless I'm missing something major, it should really not be a big deal! To answer your question, it looks like a shrunk up screen, with about 1 inch black borders around all 4 edges. All the text, icons are the same physical size. Later, Andreas!! :-) -----Original Message----- From: Craig Larsen To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 5:23 PM Subject: 800x600 on 770ED >Hi.. > >Has anyone on this list tried running their 770ED at 800x600 ? > >Please let me know how it looks with and without screen stretching. > >Thanks in advance ! > > >Craig Larsen >Larsen Consulting and Sales, Inc. Mesa, AZ USA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 03:25:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA14159 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21629; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:23:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21523; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21511; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 03:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p19.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.153]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21411; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808040722.AAA21411@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bill Morrow" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 00:23:08 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad chats Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 17:54:14 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Paul.. > >Yes, there is.. Besides on your site? I have a great telnet chat server, and was wondering if I could have some kind of ThinkPad related chats during the evening (PST) sometime. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 07:15:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA27005 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01742; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01586; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01571; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:10:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a19.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.19]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA07655; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041110.HAA07655@pike.sover.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 06:45:25 -0400 To: Tho N Nguyen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: HD problems again! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Where can I get this utilities? Its sold by SofTouch Systems. I can't find the address right now, but I think Softouch.com will work. --If not I look for the manual. I just don't know what I did with right now. Its a suite of OS2 programs. The GTDisk utility works nearly perfectly to recover data if drives have been formatted for HPFS with the /L switch. If they are fast formatted, it doesn't do as well. Once I did manage to recover most files off an IDE drive where the directory structure was destroyed. It didn't get all of them, but I got about 70% back. There are also other programs that are part of the suite too for disk defrag, etc. --All the stuff you find in the Norton utilities for DOS. I don't have any connection to Softouch. I just bought it once when I accidently deleted a partition and wanted the data back, and it worked. >On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 letoured@sover.net wrote: >> I have recovered data off drives (usually HPFS) with the Gammer Tech >> Utilities. --Including drives where the entire director structure was >> destroyed. >> >> >> letoured@sover.net >> >> >Tho Nguyen letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 07:33:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28047 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02649; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:32:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02508; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02482; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-79.az.com (seawesta-79.az.com [204.201.18.79]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA01010 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 04:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808041128.EAA01010@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 04:46:34 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: It died. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, Well...about the time all this very valuable information came in, tonight the harddrive died. Strange thing is that the easy-setup now says it's ok. =\ Anyways, I was gonna put ONE OS on the system as one huge partition. I'd figure I'd try Windows 95 first. But windows 95 won't go on. You start it off, it'll format the drive, and it'll transfer the cd rom files (which I have to replace the atapi_cd.sys with ibmtpcd.sys) and then when it goes to reboot, poof! Just sits there with the cursor in the corner. Unless someone explains to me otherwise, I'm gonna assume this drive has taken it's own life. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 09:08:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03681 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05578; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:05:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05411; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (voltimand.csd.wwwi.com [199.1.92.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05398; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from la (plugh.lcs.com [199.1.93.10]) by voltimand.csd.wwwi.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id GAA23869 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 06:05:32 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980804061348.007e8c90@pop.wwwi.com> X-Sender: lcs@pop.wwwi.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 06:13:48 -0700 To: From: Craig Larsen Subject: Re: 800x600 on 770ED In-Reply-To: <013601bdbf76$4c57a3a0$17b71bca@amlaptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I can't try it because I don't have one yet. Have you (or anyone else) used the screen stretching utility ? Craig Larsen At 06:37 PM 8/4/98 +1200, Andreas Michaelides wrote: >I hate to say this, but why don't you just try this our yourself and see?? > >With windows 95 etc it take about 10 seconds to reset the resolution and see >on the spot. Granted Linux and others might not be able to do this, but >unless I'm missing something major, it should really not be a big deal! > > > >To answer your question, it looks like a shrunk up screen, with about 1 inch >black borders around all 4 edges. All the text, icons are the same physical >size. > >Later, >Andreas!! >:-) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Craig Larsen >To: ThinkPad Mailing List >Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 5:23 PM >Subject: 800x600 on 770ED > > >>Hi.. >> >>Has anyone on this list tried running their 770ED at 800x600 ? >> >>Please let me know how it looks with and without screen stretching. >> >>Thanks in advance ! >> >> >>Craig Larsen >>Larsen Consulting and Sales, Inc. Mesa, AZ USA > > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 09:14:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03960 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06048; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:11:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05894; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05881; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (lash6-216.flash.net [209.30.75.216]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA04671 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:11:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35C7092B.D8090DC8@flash.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 06:14:20 -0700 From: Bob Garagliano Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Subject: It died. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu LightSide wrote: > Unless someone explains to me otherwise, I'm gonna assume this drive has taken it's own life. Check for a boot sector virus first. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 10:36:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07590 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11460; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11213; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:34:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11195; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:34:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a56.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.56]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04261 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808041434.KAA04261@pike.sover.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 10:19:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: GammaTech Utilities X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Since I commented on this set of utilities, I have been getting e-mails >from people who want to know more. ---I have no connection with Softouch, but have used it. Its not perfect, but it does more for me then the Norton Utilities were ever able to. (I haven't looked at Norton in a few years, so I don't know what it does now). What Gammatech does that has saved me is the ability to restore a deleted partition and recover the data, and to recover files when the directory structure on a drive is trashed. --I've only used it once for this, and it got back about 150mb of files out of about 200mb. I think the cost is $80. The web site is www.SofTouch.com And to save a few from the search themselves, here is what they post on the program: [I hope no one minds]... ****************************************************************** [SofTouch Systems, Inc.] The Web Connection for Enterprise and Desktop Software Solutions [Image] [Gammatech Utilities] Gammatech Utilities [Image] There are two kinds of hard drives: those which have failed, and those which will. 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[Demos] Click here to download a demo of GammaTech Utilities. letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 10:47:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07987 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12489; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:45:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12267; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12252; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p33-m8-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p33-m8-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.183.225]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id za290315 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:45:02 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bdbfb7$08650340$e1b71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: 800x600 on 770ED Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:49:00 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK, got you now. At 800x600 with no screen stretch, everything looks just like the 1024x768 size screen, except there is less area and the black borders. With the screen stretch on, it fills the whole screen, but the text looks funny, some of the lines in the text are single pixels and some are double pixel widths. I'm just guessing, but if you wish to use 800x600 because of larger fonts/icons, I would suggest just using 1024x768 and increasing the font size. The display is really only made for that resolution. Andreas!! ;-) >I can't try it because I don't have one yet. Have you (or anyone else) >used the >screen stretching utility ? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 10:50:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08103 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12996; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12851; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12829; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p33-m8-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p33-m8-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.183.225]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ca290318 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bdbfb7$9bd83480$e1b71bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: It died. Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:52:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Anyways, I was gonna put ONE OS on the system as one huge partition. I'd figure I'd try Windows 95 first. But >windows 95 won't go on. You start it off, it'll format the drive, and it'll transfer the cd rom files (which I have to >replace the atapi_cd.sys with ibmtpcd.sys) and then when it goes to reboot, poof! Just sits there with the >cursor in the corner. > >Unless someone explains to me otherwise, I'm gonna assume this drive has taken it's own life. Not necessarially dead. I had this happen to me while I was trying to install NT. I installed all the files in the dos setup section, rebooted and it just sat there with the cursor blinking, but did not boot at all. I changed the active partition back to the win95 partition and it booted fine. I installed NT into a second primary partition after an extended section. I think this had something to do with it not booting. I still haven't figured it out. Although I'm not that keen on NT until they release a DVD player for it. Later, Andreas!! ;-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 12:33:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12077 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20457; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:30:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20314; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20302; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA01279 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:32:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:32:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: Xtend 365 battery Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I bought a new Xtend brand battery for a ThinkPad 365 by mistake on an auciton website. I do not own a 365. If you are interested in purchasing this item, e-mail me an offer. I'm very willing to part with this item for some cash. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 12:56:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12967 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22182; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:53:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22040; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov ([208.239.204.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22027; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov ([208.239.204.220]) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27225 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00063B9B; Tue, 4 Aug 98 09:57:34 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:56:30 -0700 Message-ID: <00063B9B.001225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) Subject: CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstar HD cheap To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For those looking to upgrade their hard drive, CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstart hard drive in their bargain basement for $329 (2.5 inch, EIDE). check out: http://www.cdw.com/search/default.asp?group=BSK go to the IBM section. Their normal price is something like $450. Mitchell PS: Don't blame me. I'm just the reporter. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 13:19:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14532 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24076; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23759; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.telusplanet.net (mailgate.telusplanet.net [199.185.220.53]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23747; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clgrps05.agt.net ([198.161.156.16]:36180 "EHLO clgrps05.agt.net" ident: "IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 36180]") by mailgate.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <56892-13923>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:13:53 -0600 Received: from ibm.net ([204.209.11.130]) by mail.telusplanet.net with ESMTP id <268134-22465>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:13:17 -0600 Message-ID: <35C74084.C76CEE5E@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:10:28 -0600 From: Geza Szivos Reply-To: szivos@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Yee CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstar HD cheap References: <00063B9B.001225@jud.ca.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm not sure about this. it looks like a generic drive: Price Stock Status CDW part no. Mfg. part no. $329.84 In Stock 123781 IBM-00K0366-BSTK and in the TP 770 options: HARD DRIVE OPTIONS OPTION P/N FRU P/N IMPORTANT INFORMATION 5.1 GB 11J8947 12J0449 Will work in the original HDD bay or the Ultrabay II. Requires Second Hard Disk Drive Adapter (P/N 11J8836) if installed in the Ultrabay. Geza Mitchell Yee wrote: > For those looking to upgrade their hard drive, > CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstart hard drive in their bargain > basement for $329 (2.5 inch, EIDE). > > check out: > http://www.cdw.com/search/default.asp?group=BSK > > go to the IBM section. > > Their normal price is something like $450. > > Mitchell > PS: Don't blame me. I'm just the reporter. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 13:25:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA14761 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24734; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24352; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24309; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA17229; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:20:15 -1000 Message-ID: <002301bdbfcc$5367ff40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: [TP365] Batteries Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:21:30 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Speaking of TP 365 batteries, I just saw some cheap NIMH TP365 batteries online ($70 at www.custom-mac.com/laptoppc.html "new/demo"). Now, if only someone will sell a 560 battery at this kind of price. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 14:38:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17616 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01153; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:19:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00150; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00138; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jlk ([209.37.168.82]) by innernet.net with ESMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 8602800 ; Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:29:55 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Slip" To: Subject: [701 & ALL] Battery options+pricing Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:19:07 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199808041929.8602800@innernet.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hey there! I'v been looking around pricing batteries, and keep coming across the 'intelligent' series for the NiMH 701 battery. What's the difference with this and a normal NiMH battery? The one I have charges to about 2:55 when on AC(fully charged) The batteries in Global Computer supplies are about $135 buks! Then, I found a little ad in another catalog(PC Zone) for BTI batteries. I can get a NiMH for the 701 for only $99. If anyone wants a price for their model, just look below. They seem to be the cheapest you can get from a catalog.(based on my model though) I do have one other question though-I was told that NiMH batteries were supposed to be fully discharged before re-charging. Well, I read in the manual that you shouldn't do this. 'Course, the manual was talking about NiCD. When I *do* fully discharge my NiMH, the maximum charge goes down by 5mins! Really. This max time is based on when the battery is fully charged and on AC power(hitting FN-F1). Seems to be fine when I do a recharge in the middle of a discharging. Anyone? -Jamie 700/720 series : $99.98 701 series : $99.98 755/760 series : $149.98 380 NiMH : $109.98 380 Lith-Ion : $199.98 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 15:00:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18573 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02941; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02597; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov ([208.239.204.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02583; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov ([208.239.204.220]) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28384; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00063CCA; Tue, 4 Aug 98 11:55:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <00063CCA.001225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: Randal Whittle Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstar HD cheap Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.649652209" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu --IMA.Boundary.649652209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part It's 17 mm. I own one and have it working in my 760XL. Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstar HD cheap Author: Randal Whittle at Internet Date: 8/4/98 11:38 AM Anyone know what the height is on item? At 09:56 AM 8/4/98 -0700, you wrote: > For those looking to upgrade their hard drive, > CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstart hard drive in their bargain > basement for $329 (2.5 inch, EIDE). > > check out: > http://www.cdw.com/search/default.asp?group=BSK > > go to the IBM section. > > Their normal price is something like $450. > > Mitchell > PS: Don't blame me. I'm just the reporter. > ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter --IMA.Boundary.649652209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (208.239.204.222) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00063CAA; Tue, 4 Aug 98 11:45:52 -0700 Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28258 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-102.usc.edu [128.125.223.102]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id LAA27493 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808041840.LAA27493@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 11:38:20 -0700 To: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: CDW has a 5.1 GB Travelstar HD cheap In-Reply-To: <00063B9B.001225@jud.ca.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" --IMA.Boundary.649652209-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 15:16:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19358 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03911; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:09:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03546; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.algonet.se (angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03494; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25094 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1998 18:52:49 -0000 Received: from du87-4.ppp.algonet.se (HELO Ok?nd) (195.100.4.87) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 4 Aug 1998 18:52:49 -0000 Message-ID: Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Peter" Subject: [560] resolution Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 20:52:32 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Everybody ! I have some trouble finding all specs for the 560 models so maybe someone on the list can help me. I wounder what the maximum resoulutions and color depth of the 560 E and X models are. Are they both 800 x 600 16 bit ? Is a floppy drive always included when buying these computers or are they extra? About how much, on average, does a CD drive for these models cost. (just roughly) Are the keyboards good on these ? Thanks in advance ! Peter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 15:26:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19947 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04840; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:20:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04367; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04346; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA15630; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Peter Subject: Re: [560] resolution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The Hardware Maintenance Manual lists the following options: 560 - 11.3-inch, 256 colors, 800=D7600 pixel DSTN color LCD - 12.1-inch, 64K colors, 800=D7600 pixel TFT color LCD 560E - 11.3-inch, 64K colors 800=D7600 pixel DSTN color LCD - 12.1-inch, 256K colors, 800=D7600 pixel TFT color LCD 560X - 12.1-inch, 64K colors 800=D7600 pixel DSTN color LCD - 12.1-inch, 256K colors, 800=D7600 pixel TFT color LCD Alban On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Peter wrote: > Hello Everybody ! >=20 > I have some trouble finding all specs for the 560 models so maybe someone > on the list can help me. I wounder what the maximum resoulutions and colo= r > depth=20 > of the 560 E and X models are. Are they both 800 x 600 16 bit ? >=20 > Is a floppy drive always included when buying these computers or are they > extra? >=20 > About how much, on average, does a CD drive for these models cost. (just > roughly) >=20 > Are the keyboards good on these ? >=20 > Thanks in advance ! >=20 > Peter >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 15:27:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19978 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05069; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:22:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04587; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04566; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-102.usc.edu [128.125.223.102]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id MAA10000; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808041922.MAA10000@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:21:03 -0700 To: "Peter" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [560] resolution In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 08:52 PM 8/4/98 -0700, you wrote: >I have some trouble finding all specs for the 560 models so maybe someone >on the list can help me. I wounder what the maximum resoulutions and color >depth >of the 560 E and X models are. Are they both 800 x 600 16 bit ? That's it. >Is a floppy drive always included when buying these computers or are they >extra? Should always be included. >About how much, on average, does a CD drive for these models cost. (just >roughly) Whatever you can find an external CD for--PCMCIA or parallel. If you shop well, you can find something for $150-ish or perhaps even less. >Are the keyboards good on these ? Pretty good. I didn't have much to complain about. Perhaps not as good as some of the best thinkpads, but certainly better than most any other laptop. ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 15:49:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21273 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06622; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:44:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06075; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06047; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop (slip129-37-196-157.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.157]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA81264 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:44:29 GMT Message-ID: <35C76368.689D@ibm.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:40:26 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 365XD harddrive issue References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have upgraded my 1 gig hard drive in my 365XD twice. Once to a 2 gig and then to a 3 gig. The 2 gig had the mounting holes in the same place as the original 1 gig, but the 3 gig had different mounting holes. I found that the metal bracket actually had holes for both mounting locations, it is just that IBM put some sticking-back insulating dots over the unused holes. That is a good example of some forward thinking, don't you think? Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > You can use any slimline (12 mm thick) 2.5-inch IDE hard drive with the > 365X/XD and the latest BIOS. There may be an issue with the screw holes > for the small metal bracket that holds the drive in place. Not all driv= es > have the holes in the same place. > If you don't have the latest BIOS, you can do a flash upgrade in about > three minutes. >=20 > Alban >=20 > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, LightSide wrote: >=20 > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT), Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote= : > > > > >it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember that = HDD's > > >over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions on= this > > >machine. > > > > If I understand this correctly there is a special 2.1 HD for the 365X= D. Now does that mean early > > bios would support only that and now the newest (for win98) BIOS upgr= ade will support larger > > harddrives? And if so, which ones and their P/N? > > > > > > Also still no word really one that error with my harddrive. I'm gonna= be going to an OS/2 user group meeting > > this wednesday so I'll ask around up there. > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > Robert Mears > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > robertm@az.com > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > > >=20 > A. Kellerbauer >=20 > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 15:58:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21828 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07354; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:54:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07005; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06993; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA03516; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01379; Tue, 4 Aug 98 14:31:44 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:31:42 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: jlk133@usa.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [701 & ALL] Battery options+pricing In-Reply-To: <199808041929.8602800@innernet.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Slip wrote: > I do have one other question though-I was told that NiMH batteries were > supposed to be fully discharged before re-charging. Well, I read in the > manual that you shouldn't do this. 'Course, the manual was talking about > NiCD. When I *do* fully discharge my NiMH, the maximum charge goes down by > 5mins! Really. This max time is based on when the battery is fully charged > and on AC power(hitting FN-F1). Seems to be fine when I do a recharge in > the middle of a discharging. Anyone? This is hearsay. I don't remember if I heard this from this list, the newsgroups, or read it in an IBM manual somewhere. When NiMH batteries were first introduced, a major complaint about them was their high discharge rate when not in use - sometimes as much as 15%-20% a day. This was in contrast to NiCds which lost about 1%-5% per day. Supposedly, when IBM designed the 701 and its battery, they designed it to combat the high discharge rate. I actually tested this myself, leaving my spare NiMH fully charged on my shelf for a month. I should note that I had a 750, and it's NiMH battery would completely discharge on the shelf in less than two weeks. When I popped in the shelved 701 battery, it gave me about 2.5 hours of life almost as if it hadn't discharged at all. So maybe there is something to it. (It completely discharged when I left it sitting for 7 months though :-). The tradeoff for this is that the battery responds poorly to being completely discharged. That is supposedly why you lose about 5 minutes >from its maximum life if you completely discharge the beast. If this is true, and I have no evidence other than hearsay and my one shelf test to support it, then maintaining and conditioning a 701's NiMH battery runs counter to the conventional wisdom regarding NiMH batteries in general. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 16:18:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22871 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16090; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15656; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa ([208.240.192.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15613; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hebron.royl.com ( [208.240.192.5] ) by haifa (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 08:26:26 +0000 Message-Id: <199808040826.2629995.6@haifa> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:27:43 +0800 Reply-To: "Stephen Hosmer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.0150 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Subscribe Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu ________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 16:51:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA23920 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10969; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:45:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10469; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10456; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA19294; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:44:50 -1000 Message-ID: <002a01bdbfe8$e7f430e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "Peter" Subject: Re: [560] resolution Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:46:06 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >of the 560 E and X models are. Are they both 800 x 600 16 bit ? The answers so far are sort of correct; note that the true value might depend on OS (drivers), and of course an external monitor will do better. >About how much, on average, does a CD drive for these models cost. (just >roughly) BTW, unless you find a good deal on another brand (I've seen some 20x externals for as low as $99) you might want to limit yourself to CNF drives - not because I like this company (I've never even seen their drives), but because IBM seems willing to support CD preloads on them in a way that they don't on other drives (I have a genuine IBM 4x - the 'flying saucer' - which is not supported for preloads, though of course for 'normal' applications it is great). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 17:00:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24046 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11779; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:53:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11110; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (r47-90.adinet.com.uy [206.99.47.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11053; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (tc2-134.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.134]) by netgate.com.uy (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07015 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:58:29 -0300 Message-Id: <199808042058.RAA07015@netgate.com.uy> X-Sender: hteszler@netgate.com.uy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:47:33 -0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Harry Teszler Subject: DVD Region code Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everybody. I have a 770 just purchased in Switzerland (but living in South America) but loaded with W95 in English. I can not play DVDs with zone 2 (I have 3 DVDs to play and will go on with region 2 DVDs) ). I did not get any diskette with region code So, is there any way to see wich Region is preloaded. Where could I get that region 2 diskette ? Thanks to all in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. hteszler@netgate.com.uy harryt@redfacil.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 17:29:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24487 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13193; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:21:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12859; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12845; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA01257 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02088; Tue, 4 Aug 98 17:08:41 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [560] resolution In-Reply-To: <002a01bdbfe8$e7f430e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, David Ross wrote: > >of the 560 E and X models are. Are they both 800 x 600 16 bit ? > > The answers so far are sort of correct; note that the true value might > depend on OS (drivers), and of course an external monitor will do > better. Most modern TFTs are capable of 16 bit color or better. I placed my TP701c side by side with a monitor. In 16 bit mode, the color gradients were indistinguishable from the monitor. This is 3 year old technology. Some of the newer TFTs I hear are capable of millions of colors. IBM's web site says these two 560 models come with 2MB of VRAM (enough for 800x600 at 24 bit), and that the TFT can support 256k colors (18 bpp) which while not as good as 24 bpp, is marginally better than 16 bpp the HPA version supports. Where the monitors do better is in multisynching (different resolutions) and color saturation. Monitors always seem to be brighter with richer colors. If I do any photo editing on my 701, the results look garishly oversaturated on my monitor. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 17:39:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA24615 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14042; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:31:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13674; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13662; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.137.130]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980804213031.SJEE3321@760> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:30:31 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: Re: DVD Region code Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:29:05 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980804213031.SJEE3321@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just acquired a port replicator for the 755. Anyone know what the round thing in the back is for?? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 18:05:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25040 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15646; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:00:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15361; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15305; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:59:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.17.233]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980804215925.KRTI1092@bp>; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:59:25 +0000 Message-ID: <35C7840F.550B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:58:39 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re Port Rep References: <19980804213031.SJEE3321@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > Just acquired a port replicator for the 755. Anyone know what the round thing in the back is for?? > Thanks! There are two models. One can accept two PC cards, the other model is blanked. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 4 18:25:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25345 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16756; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16441; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16428; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 193.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.66.115.193]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980804222105.TFIV3321@193.chicago-11.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:21:05 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: [TP365] Batteries Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 22:21:43 GMT Message-ID: <35c8890b.1410617@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <002301bdbfcc$5367ff40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <002301bdbfcc$5367ff40$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:21:30 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >Speaking of TP 365 batteries, I just saw some cheap NIMH TP365 batteries= online ($70 at www.custom-mac.com/laptoppc.html >"new/demo"). > >Now, if only someone will sell a 560 battery at this kind of price. I hope no one does for a while, since I just paid full price for a 2nd! Give me another 6 months, and I won't feel so much like killing myself if the price drops by half :-) epbrown (who's being tempted by a fellow Chicagoan selling the 560X for $1000 used) Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 01:02:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA00259 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03509; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:00:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03340; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03326; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:00:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates (ts2p8.ro.com [205.216.92.49]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA05795 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 00:00:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199808050500.AAA05795@sh1.ro.com> Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 23:46:28 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199808041128.EAA01010@lucy.az.com> Subject: Re: It died. X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "LightSide" said the following on the auspicious date of 98-08-04: >Hello, >Well...about the time all this very valuable information came in, tonight >the harddrive died. Strange thing is that the easy-setup now says it's >ok. =\ >Anyways, I was gonna put ONE OS on the system as one huge partition. I'd >figure I'd try Windows 95 first. But windows 95 won't go on. You start >it off, it'll format the drive, and it'll transfer the cd rom files >(which I have to replace the atapi_cd.sys with ibmtpcd.sys) and then >when it goes to reboot, poof! Just sits there with the cursor in the >corner. >Unless someone explains to me otherwise, I'm gonna assume this drive has >taken it's own life. I have one or two hard drives that refuse to boot DOS, but boot Linux just fine. Seems that the disks are damaged, but just bad sectors. Nothing that keeps them from being used, except for booting DOS. -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 04:21:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA02917 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10019; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:18:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09801; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09786; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 04:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA21536; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:18:32 -1000 Message-ID: <002401bdc049$cfa53be0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: [560] resolution Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:19:45 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Most modern TFTs are capable of 16 bit color or better. We have to remember that 3 different things influence color depth: the screen itself, the video chipset, and the software driver. Attained depth is the min of these. I'm pretty sure that my 560 can run a CRT at true color, though the original W95 driver only went as high as high color (I think it now goes all the way). The LCD screen itself is only 256 colors (maybe; on the easy-setup video test it sure the heck looks like it is going up to 16 bit color, though if this depth is selected in the W95 driver then the screen gets scrambled and the registry needs to be patched [hard in DOS - I speak from nasty experience!] or restored from backup to recover). >TP701c side by side with a monitor. In 16 bit mode, the color gradients >were indistinguishable from the monitor. This is 3 year old technology. When IBM sent me a replacement for my flaky 701c, I set them running side-by-side on a table with my wife's TI6030 and the Micron I use at work. Nifty at night with all other lights off! The two 701C screens were noticeably different - one was much 'warmer' (as a photographer would say) than the other. BTW, the TI was as bright as the other machines together - in operation brightness had to be turned *down* to make the screen comfortable to use! >Monitors always seem to be brighter with richer >colors. If I do any photo editing on my 701, the results look garishly >oversaturated on my monitor. I agree 100%, though whenever I've posted anything to this effect I've been heavily flamed by an anti-CRT mob. Hopefully you'll be spared this! David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 09:54:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA06098 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24610; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24462; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (r47-90.adinet.com.uy [206.99.47.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24424; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (tc2-165.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.165]) by netgate.com.uy (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02709 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:57:29 -0300 Message-Id: <199808051357.KAA02709@netgate.com.uy> X-Sender: hteszler@netgate.com.uy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:46:21 -0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Harry Teszler Subject: DVD regioncode which one do I have ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again ! How can I see which regioncode I do have installed in my Thinkpad 770 ED I did not get the Regioncode diskette but I got it with the diskette factory programm that let me create the diskette. It should be region 2 but I am not able to play any region 2 DVD (and I do not have any other region DVD with me to try another one). I always get the message : DVD drive not ready or empty Could somebody help me with that ? Thank in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. hteszler@netgate.com.uy harryt@redfacil.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 10:38:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA06684 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28217; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:36:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28029; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28010; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA17512; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: David Ross Subject: Re: [560] resolution In-Reply-To: <002401bdc049$cfa53be0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Concerning color saturation: I have noticed that the screen on my 365XD (10.4 TFT) displays especially= =20 pastel colors much better than our 765D (13.3 TFT). They both run at=20 16-bit color. These colors look very bleak on the 765D. I would use the=20 365XD for photo editing any day, but not the 765D. It seems that IBM cut=20 some corners on the larger screens to cut costs. Alban On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, David Ross wrote: > >Most modern TFTs are capable of 16 bit color or better. >=20 > We have to remember that 3 different things influence color depth: the sc= reen itself, the video chipset, and the software driver. > Attained depth is the min of these. >=20 > I'm pretty sure that my 560 can run a CRT at true color, though the origi= nal W95 driver only went as high as high color (I think it > now goes all the way). > The LCD screen itself is only 256 colors (maybe; on the easy-setup video = test it sure the heck looks like it is going up to 16 bit > color, though if this depth is selected in the W95 driver then the screen= gets scrambled and the registry needs to be patched [hard > in DOS - I speak from nasty experience!] or restored from backup to recov= er). >=20 > >TP701c side by side with a monitor. In 16 bit mode, the color gradients > >were indistinguishable from the monitor. This is 3 year old technology. >=20 > When IBM sent me a replacement for my flaky 701c, I set them running side= -by-side on a table with my wife's TI6030 and the Micron I > use at work. Nifty at night with all other lights off! The two 701C scr= eens were noticeably different - one was much 'warmer' (as > a photographer would say) than the other. BTW, the TI was as bright as t= he other machines together - in operation brightness had to > be turned *down* to make the screen comfortable to use! >=20 > >Monitors always seem to be brighter with richer > >colors. If I do any photo editing on my 701, the results look garishly > >oversaturated on my monitor. >=20 >=20 > I agree 100%, though whenever I've posted anything to this effect I've be= en heavily flamed by an anti-CRT mob. Hopefully you'll be > spared this! >=20 > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 12:01:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA07941 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02595; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:58:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02293; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02275; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA13077; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02139; Wed, 5 Aug 98 11:44:53 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [560] resolution In-Reply-To: <002401bdc049$cfa53be0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, David Ross wrote: > >Most modern TFTs are capable of 16 bit color or better. > > We have to remember that 3 different things influence color depth: the > screen itself, the video chipset, and the software driver. Attained > depth is the min of these. Right. And when I say most modern TFTs are capable of 16 bit color or better, I mean the screen itself. > I'm pretty sure that my 560 can run a CRT at true color, though the > original W95 driver only went as high as high color (I think it now goes > all the way). The 560 itself, according to specs, should be able to do 800x600 in 24 bit color on a CRT. > The LCD screen itself is only 256 colors (maybe; on the easy-setup video > test it sure the heck looks like it is going up to 16 bit color, though if > this depth is selected in the W95 driver then the screen gets scrambled > and the registry needs to be patched [hard in DOS - I speak from nasty > experience!] or restored from backup to recover). The TFT is spec'ed at 256k colors, or 18 bpp (6 bits per primary color). The HPA screen is spec'ed at 65k colors, meaning it's really 32k colors (15bpp, or 5 bits per primary), or they have some weird video hardware on it that allows 5 bpp for two primary colors, and 6 bpp for the other (meaning they're wasting 2 bpp worth of screen capability). Either should do 16 bit color just fine (i.e. color shading looks identical to a CRT). The TFT should be slightly superior in 24 bit color mode, though a CRT will be superior to both at 24 bit. -- John Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 12:09:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08042 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03137; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:06:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02991; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02977; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop (slip129-37-196-181.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.181]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA101748; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:06:36 GMT Message-ID: <35C881DF.2DF8@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:02:35 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List , Alban Gerd Kellerbauer Subject: Re: 365XD harddrive issue References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alban, I just recently purchased a 32M upgrade instead of the 64 M based on the comments from this list concerning the usability of 64M in the 365XD. I don't think I will be going to the 64M in the near future. On the other hand, if there is someone out there who is ready to donate to a worthy cause, I will most certainly accept the challange to test the 64M DIMM. Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > Vernon, will you be able to test a 64 MB module in your machine? >=20 > Alban >=20 > On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Vernon Wankerl wrote: >=20 > > I have upgraded my 1 gig hard drive in my 365XD twice. Once to a 2 g= ig > > and then to a 3 gig. The 2 gig had the mounting holes in the same pl= ace > > as the original 1 gig, but the 3 gig had different mounting holes. I > > found that the metal bracket actually had holes for both mounting > > locations, it is just that IBM put some sticking-back insulating dots > > over the unused holes. That is a good example of some forward thinkin= g, > > don't you think? > > > > > > Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > > > > > > You can use any slimline (12 mm thick) 2.5-inch IDE hard drive with= the > > > 365X/XD and the latest BIOS. There may be an issue with the screw h= oles > > > for the small metal bracket that holds the drive in place. Not all = drives > > > have the holes in the same place. > > > If you don't have the latest BIOS, you can do a flash upgrade in ab= out > > > three minutes. > > > > > > Alban > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, LightSide wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT), Alban Gerd Kellerbauer w= rote: > > > > > > > > >it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember t= hat HDD's > > > > >over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revision= s on this > > > > >machine. > > > > > > > > If I understand this correctly there is a special 2.1 HD for the = 365XD. Now does that mean early > > > > bios would support only that and now the newest (for win98) BIOS = upgrade will support larger > > > > harddrives? And if so, which ones and their P/N? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also still no word really one that error with my harddrive. I'm g= onna be going to an OS/2 user group meeting > > > > this wednesday so I'll ask around up there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Mears > > > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > > > robertm@az.com > > > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for ga= mes > > > > > > > > > > A. Kellerbauer > > > > > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > > > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > > > UIN 8141789 > > >=20 > A. Kellerbauer >=20 > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 12:12:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08068 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03465; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03269; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03249; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vjw-laptop (slip129-37-196-181.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.196.181]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA66584; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:09:02 GMT Message-ID: <35C882AD.1091@ibm.net> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:05:01 -0500 From: Vernon Wankerl Reply-To: wankerl@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List , "David S. Crombie" Subject: Re: 365XD harddrive issue References: <000d01bdbfe1$500518a0$0200005a@thinkpad.Moorgate> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David, I installed the 2G dirve into a parallel-port harddrive adapter and use it for additional drive space. It is a little slow but it sure is nice to have that flexibility. So, in answer to your question, no I don't have any spare drives at this time. David S. Crombie wrote: >=20 > you don't happen to have the 2gig kicking around do you? If so, want to= part > with it? (I am using a compressed 810 right now) >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Vernon Wankerl > To: ThinkPad List > Date: Tuesday, August 04, 1998 1:46 PM > Subject: Re: 365XD harddrive issue >=20 > I have upgraded my 1 gig hard drive in my 365XD twice. Once to a 2 gig > and then to a 3 gig. The 2 gig had the mounting holes in the same plac= e > as the original 1 gig, but the 3 gig had different mounting holes. I > found that the metal bracket actually had holes for both mounting > locations, it is just that IBM put some sticking-back insulating dots > over the unused holes. That is a good example of some forward thinking, > don't you think? >=20 > Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > > > > You can use any slimline (12 mm thick) 2.5-inch IDE hard drive with t= he > > 365X/XD and the latest BIOS. There may be an issue with the screw hol= es > > for the small metal bracket that holds the drive in place. Not all dr= ives > > have the holes in the same place. > > If you don't have the latest BIOS, you can do a flash upgrade in abou= t > > three minutes. > > > > Alban > > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, LightSide wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:03:49 -0400 (EDT), Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wro= te: > > > > > > >it possible to use the module on all 365X/XD. You may remember tha= t > HDD's > > > >over 2.1 GB were not supported either by the early BIOS revisions = on > this > > > >machine. > > > > > > If I understand this correctly there is a special 2.1 HD for the 36= 5XD. > Now does that mean early > > > bios would support only that and now the newest (for win98) BIOS up= grade > will support larger > > > harddrives? And if so, which ones and their P/N? > > > > > > > > > Also still no word really one that error with my harddrive. I'm gon= na be > going to an OS/2 user group meeting > > > this wednesday so I'll ask around up there. > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > Robert Mears > > > Certified Key and Button Pusher > > > robertm@az.com > > > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for game= s > > > > > > > A. Kellerbauer > > > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > > UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 13:37:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09546 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08321; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:35:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08177; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08163; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA10084 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:35:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [560] resolution In-Reply-To: <002401bdc049$cfa53be0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Monitors always seem to be brighter with richer > >colors. If I do any photo editing on my 701, the results look garishly > >oversaturated on my monitor. > > I agree 100%, though whenever I've posted anything to this effect I've been heavily flamed by an anti-CRT mob. Hopefully you'll be > spared this! I've had similar problems with my 765D, and have seen the same thing happen on the 770 and some non-IBM desktop LCD screens. I made a web page (http://ro.com/~jeffj/me/) that looks fine on my ThinkPad, but its usually too dark on a CRT -- the brightness needs to be high to look right, otherwise it's too dark. Other than that, I really do like LCDs. Jeff Jackowski Unhappily running NT at work -- the only OS that can't do an alphabetical sort! (I tried on the desktop . . . ) http://ro.com/~jeff/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 17:08:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA12751 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19751; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:03:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19462; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orpheus.amdahl.com (orpheus.amdahl.com [159.199.101.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19421; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com([129.212.33.25]) (1873 bytes) by orpheus.amdahl.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:match-mx-hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Jun-19) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0z4ASX-0000oIC; Wed, 5 Aug 98 13:46 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17976; Wed, 5 Aug 98 13:47:37 PDT Received: by ladybug.M2_BLDG (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA19549; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:57:03 -0700 From: czs00@eng.amdahl.com (Serenella Ciongoli) Message-Id: <199808052057.NAA19549@ladybug.M2_BLDG> Subject: Re: It died. In-Reply-To: <001f01bdbfb7$9bd83480$e1b71bca@amlaptop> from Andreas Michaelides at "Aug 5, 98 02:52:26 am" To: a.michaelides@vc999.com (Andreas Michaelides) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Andreas, > Not necessarially dead. I had this happen to me while I was trying to > install NT. I installed all the files in the dos setup section, rebooted and > it just sat there with the cursor blinking, but did not boot at all. I > changed the active partition back to the win95 partition and it booted fine. > I installed NT into a second primary partition after an extended section. I > think this had something to do with it not booting. I still haven't figured > it out. one possible explanation is that the NT setup is using an incorrect video driver. You could try to select custom setup, and, after you see the screen showing the hardware and drives recognized, you change the video selection to SVGA. It worked for me. :-} > Although I'm not that keen on NT until they release a DVD player for it. I much prefer NT over windows 95 or 98. Serenella Ciongoli From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 21:52:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA17149 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11344; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:49:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11129; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11109; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailstub@localhost) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA08677; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808060149.SAA08677@goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net> From: "Teresa Selling" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:52:15 +0000 Reply-To: "Teresa Selling" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FS: 32MB dimm for 76x or 365 series Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have one 32MB Dimm forsale. It was orginally purchased for and used in a 760E machine. After I sold that machine I used it in a 365X. Now I purchased a 64MB dimm for the 365X so the 32MB dimm is forsale. Guaranteed to arrive in working condition. $50 to include shipping if prepaid. Checks ok. --- Teresa Selling E-Mail: tselling@ibm.net Colorado Springs, CO From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 22:42:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA17832 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13340; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:33:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13120; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13105; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip129-37-148-40.on.ca.ibm.net [129.37.148.40]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA77538 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:32:37 GMT Message-ID: <35C9BE53.936261C1@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:31:47 -0400 From: Dave Sims Reply-To: rdsims@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad 770 - Sale/Trade for 560 or 701 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Model 9549-1AU 233MMX, 96MB RAM, Perfect 14.1 Active Screen, 5.1 GIG H/D, IBM Ultrabay DVD-ROM Drive, MPEG-2, 1.44 Floppy Drive, 56K Mwave Modem. As new condition...3 months old..balance of IBM 3 year warranty. All manuals, packing, CD's, cables, programs included. Prepaid and insured to U.S or Canadian destinations $ 3400 U.S. Funds, or equivelent Canadian ( with the way our Loonie has been dropping these last few weeks, it's a bargain!!)..Will accept either a TP 560 or TP 701 ( active screen only) as partial payment towards purchase ..Let me know what you've got and what you're asking.. Currently using 3 desktops and 1 other notebook..this machine is not being used.. rdsims@ibm.net for more info.. Thanks Group. Regards. Dave From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 5 23:03:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18131 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14479; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:01:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14356; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14344; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-129-37-40-80.il.us.ibm.net (slip-129-37-40-80.il.us.ibm.net [129.37.40.80]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA173720 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:01:14 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New ThinkPad Model Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:02:14 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-ID: <35c91a32.2845527@smtp2.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This might be old news for some on this list, but I just heard about it through a "news" service I subscribe to. Its called the 385XD-LEU, 233MMX, 12.1 TFT, the rest of the usual stuff, for $1999 list. The web page is at: (watch for word wrap) http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/;display/category?cgmenbr=1&cgrfnbr=40318&topcgrfnbr=40318 -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 01:50:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA23376 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19928; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:49:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19800; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19787; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id GAA09402 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:48:21 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 06:47 BST-1 From: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Kingston) Subject: NiMH battery regime To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a new battery for my 360C and want to get the best out of it. The original one worked well until at the end of its life its inability to run the machine over a forty-minute train journey became a nuisance. Machine changes such as addition of a Psion Dacom PCMCIA modem may have been a contributory factor - the modem setup has the modem taking power all the time, rather than as needed. I have not yet figured out a simple work-around for this. The battery is IBM P/N 84G2094 - are there any recommendations for best use? I'd rather just leave it in the machine at all times, because the power supply here has the charming feature of cutting out for ten seconds while it thinks about a transient problem. But I do wonder if continually topping up a partly-discharged battery is the best arrangement. I have an IBM Quick Charger P/N 66G0186, which could be useful if I knew how to use it (no manual). Does one just insert the battery and press the button? Now I have the machine, I wonder if a two-battery regime would be a good idea. All suggestions welcomed. Mike Kingston ......................... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 02:23:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24181 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20833; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:22:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20678; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20663; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p00.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.134]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20983; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808060604.XAA20983@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 10:06:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: It died. Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Try low lever formating it with Easy Setup's utils (I think CRTL-A, then CRTL-F if I remember correctly). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 02:30:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24304 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21146; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:29:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21027; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21015; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p00.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.134]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA22802 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808060627.XAA22802@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:28:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP701 340MB HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where I can get the HD for a 701, preferably a 340MB drive? I need the drive only for another machine that takes 2.5" 12.7mm drives. I got my fifth (!!) notebook, another subnotebook, and would like to upgrade. Also, what is the largest drive one has put on a 701? Thanks, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 08:34:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA29246 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07924; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:32:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07795; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (r47-90.adinet.com.uy [206.99.47.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07776; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (tc2-130.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.130]) by netgate.com.uy (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA14759 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:38:42 -0300 Message-Id: <199808061238.JAA14759@netgate.com.uy> X-Sender: hteszler@netgate.com.uy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:27:17 -0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Harry Teszler Subject: Still trying to find out installed DVDs regioncode Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello it's me again. Is there nobody there that could know how to find out which is the installed Regioncode in my 770 ED ? Thanks in advance for any suggestions. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. hteszler@netgate.com.uy harryt@redfacil.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 09:53:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00315 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11382; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:51:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11219; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11203; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk ([12.78.195.14]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980806135024.BVQT24972@uxledkvk> for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:50:24 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980806095027.0080b9e0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: JERRYRAY@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:50:27 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: WIN98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I finally got my WIN98 CD-rom and companion CD from IBM. Now their instructions describe first using the companion cd. I want to do a clean install. How can I do this and use their companion cd first? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 10:33:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00946 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13803; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:30:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13481; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13448; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port10-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.207]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09260 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: <35C969E2.C0376CC5@netpathway.com> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 03:31:30 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad List Subject: 701c for sale at Surplus Direct Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I'm not affiliated with them, I just thought some one the list may be interested in this offer that is available again. Surplus Direct's weekly specials has the 701c 2630-7TU (75MHz, 16MB RAM, 720MB HD, TFT) for $399. Here is the link to the site: http://www.surplusdirect.com/Specials/NB6723.asp?UID=DF01395763308981 They are factory refurbs with a 30 day Surplus Direct warranty, but it is a pretty good deal. Sorry if this offends anyone on the list- Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 10:33:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00951 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13771; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:30:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13499; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13463; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (asc144.idsonline.com [207.176.21.144]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA04879; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:21:11 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Arthur Salzberg" To: "'Jerry Cudmore'" , Subject: RE: WIN98 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:29:07 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc146$a1bf9240$9015b0cf@asalzberg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806095027.0080b9e0@postoffice.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Jerry! If by a clean install, you mean fdisking and reformatting your harddrive, that process is very much overrated and is as likely to create problems. Why not just follow IBM and Microsoft's recommendation and allow the companion disk and Win98 to update your system? This is especially the case if your TP is relatively new and working without error. Here is how to perform a "clean install" over a fully functioning Win95. Disable any antivirus programs running on your system. If left running during Setup, these utilities are likely to cause problems. Next, run ScanDisk to check and fix any problems with your hard disk(s). Then, close all running programs. This includes disabling any screen savers, Advanced Power Management settings, and other programs that may cause Setup to stop responding. To assure a clean upgrade from in Windows 95, press CTRL+ALT+DEL and "End Task" on all running programs except SYSTRAY and EXPLORER before running Setup. BTW, I am still waiting for my Win98 companion disk from IBM, order 6-1-98. I long ago successfully upgraded my 770ED to Win98 using the IBM drivers posted on the WEB and a retail version of the update. Best of luck to you! Arthur Salzberg -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore [mailto:JERRYRAY@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 9:50 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: WIN98 I finally got my WIN98 CD-rom and companion CD from IBM. Now their instructions describe first using the companion cd. I want to do a clean install. How can I do this and use their companion cd first? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 10:54:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01331 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15091; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:52:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14904; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (cen202.cas.Honeywell.COM [129.239.181.202]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14891; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pyrrhus.pyrrhusoft.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0z4ROk-00013GC; Thu, 6 Aug 98 07:52 MST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 07:52 MST From: jones@pyrrhusoft.com (David Jones) To: pkhoury@loop.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701 340MB HD Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have installed the 3.08GB from Road Warrior (actually a Fujitsu drive) on the 701. The only thing I don't like about it is the plastic caddy rather than the IBM metal one. David Jones From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 11:17:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03480 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16520; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16354; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16322; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:15:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 86256658.00540A01 ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:17:55 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <86256658.00531A70.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:17:16 -0500 Subject: Re: NiMH battery regime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > the modem setup has the modem taking power all the time, rather than as needed. >I have not yet figured out a simple work-around for this. How about just popping out the PCMCIA modem when you're not using it? > But I do wonder if continually topping up a partly-discharged battery is the best arrangement. NiMH batteries aren't supposed to have the Ni-Cad memory effects of topping off batteries. I did have a NiMH battery go bad after keeping it on a charger for several weeks (TP500). different systems have differently behaving charger circuits that may fix this problem in the newer systems. I pretty much always just top off my NiMH (TP560) and don't perceive any degradation in charge capacity (about 2.3hrs) in the two years i've had it. I do let it discharge all the way every month or two, more for grins than anything else. Rich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 12:52:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05081 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22200; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:36:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21967; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21954; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from kim@localhost) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) id MAA02376; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@mak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NiMH battery regime In-Reply-To: <86256658.00531A70.00@passnotes.share.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 6 Aug 1998 Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > > > But I do wonder if continually topping up a partly-discharged battery is > > the best arrangement. > > NiMH batteries aren't supposed to have the Ni-Cad memory effects of topping > off batteries. I did have a NiMH battery go bad after keeping it on a > charger for several weeks (TP500). different systems have differently > behaving charger circuits that may fix this problem in the newer systems. I agree. NiMH batteries don't have the memory effect of NiCds. They do have shorter lifespans though, in terms of charge cycles. NiCds typically last about 1000-1500 cycles (discharge/recharge cycles), NiMH around 500, and Li-ion around 200-400. My hunch is that if improperly designed, the partial-discharge/recharge cycle when you leave a NiMH in the notebook counts as a cycle. Hence although the battery is not exhibiting a memory effect, its useful charge lifespan is being used up. > I pretty much always just top off my NiMH (TP560) and don't perceive any > degradation in charge capacity (about 2.3hrs) in the two years i've had it. > I do let it discharge all the way every month or two, more for grins than > anything else. My TP750's NiMH battery would die after about 3 months of being left in (I typically left the machine on all the time). It would not hold any charge, or would die after about 5 minutes of life. IBM sent me a total of 3 replacements before they started enforcing their 1-year battery warranty (as opposed to 3-year machine warranty). I figured I'd better not leave the machine on all the time with the last battery in place. :-) My TP701's NiMH battery seems to be holding up just fine after being left in and left on AC 24/7 for over a year and a half now. That's why I'm guessing the battery and charging circuitry has to be properly designed to avoid this evil side-effect of leaving batteries in notebooks on external power. If I recall correctly, lead-acid car batteries are good for 10,000 - 30,000 cycles before their performance starts to degrade badly. All this newfangled battery technology is not without its drawbacks. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 14:11:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06684 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28970; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:08:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28652; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28617; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-1-15.binc.net [205.173.178.30]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA17035; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000c01bdc165$38d235c0$1eb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: , "Jerry Cudmore" Subject: Re: WIN98 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:07:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No idea what that "Companion CD" is, Jerry, but you're going to need a copy of a previous Windows 95 CD if you want to do a clean install. Also, if you obtained your Windows 98 CD from IBM it might not be the same as the retail version; it might not be installable. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 8:54 AM Subject: WIN98 >I finally got my WIN98 CD-rom and companion CD from IBM. Now their >instructions describe first using the companion cd. I want to do a clean >install. How can I do this and use their companion cd first? > >Jerry Cudmore > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 14:17:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06780 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28961; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:08:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28641; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28616; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-1-15.binc.net [205.173.178.30]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA17062; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:08:34 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01bdc165$39c4d320$1eb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" , "Jerry Cudmore" Subject: Re: WIN98 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:08:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu No idea what that "Companion CD" is, Jerry, but you're going to need a copy of a previous Windows 95 CD if you want to do a clean install. Also, if you obtained your Windows 98 CD from IBM it might not be the same as the retail version; it might not be installable. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 8:54 AM Subject: WIN98 >I finally got my WIN98 CD-rom and companion CD from IBM. Now their >instructions describe first using the companion cd. I want to do a clean >install. How can I do this and use their companion cd first? > >Jerry Cudmore > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 14:23:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06900 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00129; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29829; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29816; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA25574 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDC145.B1433D80@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:50 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDC145.B1433D80@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: TP701 340MB HD Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:22:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu metal caddy? my original carry is plastic. that made it easier to modify for the new screw-hole spacing... axel On Thursday, August 06, 1998 10:52 AM, David Jones wrote: %I have installed the 3.08GB from Road Warrior (actually a Fujitsu %drive) on the 701. The only thing I don't like about it is the %plastic caddy rather than the IBM metal one. ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 14:31:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07003 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00649; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:29:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00432; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00216; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA32714 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:25:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA10630 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC12F.7BB19060@ntmail.tiac.net>; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:43:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: NiMH battery regime Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:43:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, On my 365ED I do not keep any cards in the PCMCIA slots until needed. I have a nice pocket in the case that I keep all the cards neatly contained in their anti-static sleeves or plastic cases. I use three cards occasionally, a SCSI, a modem, and a GPS receiver. On the 365ED with Win95 and OS/2 I can plug the modem card or the GPS receiver card in while the laptop is running and almost instantly have comm2 appear. I have not tried it with the scsi. Usually SCSI use is planned (zip drive or tape backup) so the machine gets setup then turned on. It may be more work but I would keep the modem card out of the slot until needed. Another trick is if you can power down the serial and printer ports while on Battery. Serial port drivers seem to be power hungry enough to cut down battery time. >---------- >From: > mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk[SMTP:mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 1998 2:47 AM >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Cc: mikekingston@cix.compulink.co.uk >Subject: NiMH battery regime > >I have a new battery for my 360C and want to get the best out of it. The >original one worked well until at the end of its life its inability to >run the machine over a forty-minute train journey became a nuisance. >Machine changes such as addition of a Psion Dacom PCMCIA modem may have >been a contributory factor - the modem setup has the modem taking power >all the time, rather than as needed. I have not yet figured out a simple >work-around for this. > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 19:42:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12196 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15855; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:38:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15617; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15605; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (171.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA01459; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CA3F25.F3EE5607@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:41:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Still trying to find out installed DVDs regioncode References: <199808061238.JAA14759@netgate.com.uy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i would be the region for the area the machine was mfg. for.. Harry Teszler wrote: > Hello it's me again. > > Is there nobody there that could know how to find out which is the > installed Regioncode in my 770 ED ? > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > ICQ# 10971865 > > Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 19:49:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12276 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16509; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:48:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16288; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16271; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (171.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA03856; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CA4175.51EC2770@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:51:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP701 340MB HD References: <199808060627.XAA22802@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Paul.. fo far the 701 will recognise a 4gig.. the 6gig is coming soon and the 701 will most likely recognise that one.. i've got a 360meg drive from a 701 available.. Paul Khoury wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get the HD for a 701, preferably > a 340MB drive? I need the drive only for another machine that takes 2.5" > 12.7mm drives. I got my fifth (!!) notebook, another subnotebook, and would > like to upgrade. > > Also, what is the largest drive one has put on a 701? > > Thanks, > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 19:52:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA12311 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16226; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:46:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16095; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16082; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (171.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.171]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA03305; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CA40E8.8C17C14E@icanect.net> Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:48:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Jones CC: pkhoury@loop.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701 340MB HD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David.. the plastic caddy it the norm.. and if they get it from the same source i get mine, it is a farily good copy.. there were metal caddy's made and they were well made, but too heavy IMO and a bit on the snug side for fit.. David Jones wrote: > I have installed the 3.08GB from Road Warrior (actually a Fujitsu > drive) on the 701. The only thing I don't like about it is the > plastic caddy rather than the IBM metal one. > > David Jones -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 22:48:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15098 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:48:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23247; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:46:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23114; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23101; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA07656 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:51:15 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:51:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker Reply-To: Steve Parker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I just spotted a batch of 15 up for sale at www.onsale.com. Only two have been bid on, and they are going for $12. If anyone still wants one of them for cheap that is a reasonable price IMHO.. =) Hurry, before they sell another batch of them tomorrow.. =) ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 6 23:18:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA15541 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24690; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24563; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24551; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p35.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.169]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA04221; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808070314.UAA04221@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "John Kim" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 20:15:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NiMH battery regime Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >My TP701's NiMH battery seems to be holding up just fine after being left >in and left on AC 24/7 for over a year and a half now. That's why I'm >guessing the battery and charging circuitry has to be properly designed to >avoid this evil side-effect of leaving batteries in notebooks on external >power. > That is nice that doing that makes no difference. I've had my 701 on 24/7, for almost 2 weeks, connected to the TCP/IP network, but when I go to school, I hope that the battery still works properly, as opposed to one without the circuitry the 701's has. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 00:12:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16322 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27197; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:10:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27070; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27057; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA05439; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:10:39 -1000 Message-ID: <001c01bdc1b9$83790960$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Steve Parker" , Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:11:53 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > I just spotted a batch of 15 up for sale at www.onsale.com. Only two >have been bid on, and they are going for $12. These might be some of the ones compgeeks has - they often sell on onsale, occasionally for more than they charge at their website. When you include shipping, you might find it cheaper to get it directly from compgeeks (they are very reasonable on shipping). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 00:43:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA16750 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28310; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:42:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28157; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28144; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA07725; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:47:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: David Ross cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. In-Reply-To: <001c01bdc1b9$83790960$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Ross wrote: > These might be some of the ones compgeeks has They are, but compgeeks sells them for $18 on their web page. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 05:04:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA20664 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06602; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:02:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06480; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thanatos.clara.net (qmailr@thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06468; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2652 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1998 09:02:01 -0000 Received: from du-815.claranet.co.uk (195.8.76.17) by mail.clara.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1998 09:02:01 -0000 From: nickdixon@bigfoot.com (Nick Dixon) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:01:41 GMT Message-ID: <35cbb956.2737226@mail.clara.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know if onsale.com ship to the UK? I really fancy getting one of those modems! Thanks, Nick -------------------------------------------- THE DAILY DAMON: www.thedailydamon.clara.net Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews... -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 05:31:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA21014 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12142; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:30:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11998; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11986; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 05:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA06136; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:30:07 -1000 Message-ID: <005101bdc1e6$27571820$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Nick Dixon" , Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:31:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu "Does anyone know if onsale.com ship to the UK? I really fancy getting one of those modems!" If they do the shipping will likely dwarf the card's price; in any event, they usually list shipping costs with the item description. You might have better luck with www.compgeeks.com - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 07:28:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA22181 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15018; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:21:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14892; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14880; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (ts9port34.port.net [207.38.252.34]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA00279; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808071120.HAA00279@amsterdam.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.37 (Beta) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 07:20:51 -0400 To: "David Ross" From: richard Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. Cc: "Nick Dixon" , In-Reply-To: <005101bdc1e6$27571820$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does this card work under win95? More specifically, does the ethernet portion work under win95? (I'm sure this has been discussed extensively, but I can't remember or quickly find the answer) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 10:24:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24335 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24739; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:15:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24299; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24266; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA28028; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:15:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:15:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: David Ross cc: Nick Dixon , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. In-Reply-To: <005101bdc1e6$27571820$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yes, they will ship anywhere UPS or FedExp goes, but the costs are absolutely outrageous... they charge set fees which are ALWAYS much more than a regular UPS or FEDEX account cost... and they don't combine items into one shipment... two items... two shipments... But at least the shipping charges are always posted on the product description before you bid. Computer Geeks shipping is cheaper, but their prices are higher... I haven't looked at the total cost between the two... but Computer Geeks is cheaper for multiples of the same item coming from the same location. > "Does anyone know if onsale.com ship to the UK? 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Could people who are using or who attempted to use Card Bus cards under Windows NT on ThinkPad models 76x please share their experience? Alban Michael Geary wrote: >=20 > "A. Kellerbauer" wrote: >=20 > >This is what I dug up on the subject in June: > > > >---------- <3580627F.C42C1BA7@physics.mcgill.ca> > >I have done some research into whether it is possible to use Card Bus > >PC Cards under NT. It seems that with additional software, like System > >Soft's CardWizard or others, this is generally possible, but not on > >the IBM ThinkPad 76x. > >This is what System Soft has to say about the problem > >("http://www.systemsoft.com/support/faq/cwiznt.htm"): > >"Problem: CardBus cards are not supported under Windows NT on this > >family of machines." > >"Explanation and Plan: This machine series has a hardware restriction. > >This has been overcome by IBM and Microsoft under Windows 9x, but is > >not correctable under Windows NT. 16-bit cards are supported." >=20 > Oh, it's a bunch of nonsense. I'm running an APA-1480 and a Xircom > CardBus 10/100 in my 760E. They work fine. I just installed the > Adaptec and Xircom drivers and I'm off and running. I *know* they > work--I'm copying a few hundred megabytes from my Libretto onto a new > 2Gb Jaz drive connected to the APA-1480. So both the network and SCSI > cards are getting quite a workout. >=20 > I'm not using Card Director or anything, just the drivers that came > with the cards. I did get Card Director working, sort of, but it > didn't seem to quite work perfectly so I took it back off. (It did > work with the 1480, but not with the Xircom.) >=20 > The only problem I've had was when I installed Service Pack 3. This > broke the 1480, but then I just went to the SCSI panel and clicked the > Update button to reinstall the 1480's drivers. That cured it. >=20 > >I would like to use an Adaptec APA-1480. Possibly this problem is > >really a software issue and things should work fine using IBM's Card > >Director. I just don't want to shell out 300$ Canadian just to try. >=20 > Well, I can't *guarantee* it will work in your machine, but it > definitely does in the 760E. I thought the 765D was pretty similar > under the hood, but I don't know for sure. >=20 > -Mike A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 12:06:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA25962 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02458; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:05:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02309; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02273; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port8-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.205]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13540 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:05:13 -0500 Message-ID: <35CB2657.79260579@netpathway.com> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:07:51 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Card Bus cards under Windows NT on ThinkPad 76x ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Although I don't have my 760ED anymore, I did use a Xircom 10/100 Cardbus card with Windows NT 4.0. All that I remember that was required was the installation of the Xircom supplied NT driver. Everything operated fine without any problems. In fact, it was much easier installing this card under NT than it was under Windows 95. That card caused me major headaches with the 760ED and Win95 OSR 2. Hope this helps- Eric Giles Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > > Could people who are using or who attempted to use Card Bus cards > under Windows NT on ThinkPad models 76x please share their experience? > > Alban From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 12:29:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26374 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03972; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:27:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03796; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03771; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA17976 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00701; Fri, 7 Aug 98 12:14:20 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: NiMH battery regime In-Reply-To: <199808070314.UAA04221@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: > > >My TP701's NiMH battery seems to be holding up just fine after being left > >in and left on AC 24/7 for over a year and a half now. That's why I'm > > That is nice that doing that makes no difference. I've had my 701 on > 24/7, for almost 2 weeks, connected to the TCP/IP network, but when > I go to school, I hope that the battery still works properly, as opposed > to one without the circuitry the 701's has. I should note that I have had *some* problems with the battery not charging after short stints without AC (power failures, trips to the bathroom, etc. :-). But I'm 99% sure it's due to failing charger circuitry on the 701 itself. I have a spare NiMH which has gone mostly unused. It exhibited the same symptoms when I popped it in. The chances that my unused spare battery would suffer the exact same failure as my main battery are pretty slim, so I suspect the charger. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 12:58:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26857 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05427; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:56:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05257; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05232; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ppp-223-200.usc.edu [128.125.223.200]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id JAA29068 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808071655.JAA29068@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:54:40 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: TOTAL SOLUTION $5.00 In-Reply-To: <01bdc212$65de28a0$838587ca@wierd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Oh great...now we not only get Spam on the list, but tug-at-your-heartstrings Spam... Creative, though! Is this anything like the one where if you e-mail (mail-bomb) a certain place, they'll donate a penny to the American Cancer Society for every one they get? Sheesh, I'm getting jaded in my old age... At 09:48 PM 8/7/98 +0700, you wrote: >Below is my saving account no. and would be grateful if you can >send me $5.00 (five dollar) only. But please, before you do that >send me the email mentioning your question and I will be glad to >answer your question. You can also reply this email to >sobat@hot-shot.com, or martin.sabera@usa.net > >Send your donation to: > >Customer Name : Martin Sabera >Account no. : 1-42-1131281 >Bank Name : Bank Korea Commercial Surya, > Jakarta Branch, - INDONESIA. >SWIFT CODE : CBKOIDJA > >For Bank Transfer information: >Bank Korea Commercial Surya, Jakarta has USD account with >First Chicago International, New york Branch. A/C no: 1049798 >CHIP UID: 361120, SWIFT Code: FNBCUS33 > >Thank you in advance for your support on my TOTAL SOLUTION $5.00 > >Regards, >Martin.Sabera ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 13:18:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA27178 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06512; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:16:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06398; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06385; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id MAA11211 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (n-01gwgate01.us.fortis.com [167.79.36.4]) by ns.us.fortis.com with SMTP id MAA11205 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:17:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:12:22 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:09:29 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TOTAL SOLUTION $5.00 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I never read spam....it got deleted before I even read it. >>> Randal Whittle 08/07/98 10:54am >>> Oh great...now we not only get Spam on the list, but tug-at-your-heartstrings Spam... Creative, though! Is this anything like the one where if you e-mail (mail-bomb) a certain place, they'll donate a penny to the American Cancer Society for every one they get? Sheesh, I'm getting jaded in my old age... At 09:48 PM 8/7/98 +0700, you wrote: >Below is my saving account no. and would be grateful if you can >send me $5.00 (five dollar) only. But please, before you do that >send me the email mentioning your question and I will be glad to >answer your question. You can also reply this email to >sobat@hot-shot.com, or martin.sabera@usa.net > >Send your donation to: > >Customer Name : Martin Sabera >Account no. : 1-42-1131281 >Bank Name : Bank Korea Commercial Surya, > Jakarta Branch, - INDONESIA. >SWIFT CODE : CBKOIDJA > >For Bank Transfer information: >Bank Korea Commercial Surya, Jakarta has USD account with >First Chicago International, New york Branch. A/C no: 1049798 >CHIP UID: 361120, SWIFT Code: FNBCUS33 > >Thank you in advance for your support on my TOTAL SOLUTION $5.00 > >Regards, >Martin.Sabera ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 15:39:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29571 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13785; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:35:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13507; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exit1.i-55.com (exit1.i-55.com [204.27.97.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13495; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anthony (ppp22-man.i-55.com [208.231.97.40]) by exit1.i-55.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA19212 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 14:32:17 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980807143806.007af250@i-55.com> X-Sender: suspend@i-55.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:38:06 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Anthony Subject: ThinkPad 4 Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I am giving up and going back to my desktop and I have bills. FOR SALE: IBM Thinkpad 365xd P120 40mb RAM 1.08gb drive internal CD-ROM (4x I think) external floppy drive external Iomega Zip Your choice of OS -- Linux or Windows All Software included. asking $1300.00 OBO From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 19:25:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03489 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24072; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:23:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23901; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23881; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-112-82.ny.us.ibm.net [32.100.112.82]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAB88606 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:23:32 GMT Message-ID: <35CB99B6.3289FD34@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:20:06 -0400 From: Friedrich Huebler Reply-To: huebler@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: WarCraft II on a ThinkPad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Has anyone successfully run WarCraft II on a ThinkPad 380D or any other ThinkPad? I installed this game on a TP 380D today and after starting it crashes immediately with a DOS/4GW error. Friedrich Huebler From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 19:34:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA03632 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24586; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:33:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24447; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from torgo.punk.net (torgo.punk.net [207.114.150.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24434; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sparker@localhost) by torgo.punk.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08468; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:38:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Parker To: richard cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Home and Away 14.4 modem/ethernet cards.. In-Reply-To: <199808071120.HAA00279@amsterdam.interport.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, richard wrote: > Does this card work under win95? More specifically, does the ethernet > portion work under win95? It worked fine for me on my TP560-120 w/12.1 TFT display and Win95 original release. It has some problems to be worked around if you have Win95 ORS2 or higher. A friend of mine is still using it on a TI P75 notebook running Win95. ============================================================================ ==== Help crack RC5 64-bit encryption -- http://www.distributed.net/rc5 ==== ============================================================================ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 21:12:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04959 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27831; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:10:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27664; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f105.hotmail.com [207.82.250.224]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27633; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13189 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 1998 01:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <19980808010952.13188.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.114.3.142 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:09:52 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.114.3.142] From: "SeungJin Lee" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701] New Mail Receiver ^^; Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:09:52 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i'm using TP701c with 2.1Gb Hdd, 40Mb Ram, IBM 4X-CDROM, 56k Megahertz Modem, A4Tech Wineasy Mouse, Epson Stylus Photo printer. -have a nice day- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 23:33:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06731 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01782; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:31:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01645; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01513; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerrycud ([12.79.0.58]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980808032806.IUTC986@jerrycud> for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 03:28:06 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980807233142.0084b270@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jerryray@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:31:42 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: 770ed and new WIN98 CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I recently received my WIN98 CD-rom from IBM; it came with a companion CD-rom. This was to upgrade my TP 770ED. I followed their instructions by using their companion CD-ROM first. This upgraded the bios, then it uninstalled the cardworks drivers and subdirectory. I was told to put in the WIN98 CD and upgrade, I followed the prompts. When WIN98 was finished I rebooted and once again used the companion CD; I followed their instructions exactly and upgraded all the drivers, except the dock2 pcmcia drivers, since I don't have that unit. When it was all finished some 3 hours later, the system works but get errors on shutting down or suspending, I also get windows protection error on 2 out of 10 boot-ups. The original cab files are still there, so are the factory diskette maker. Should this stuff have been replaced with the newer stuff on the CD? If I do a suspend (standby) it does suspend, but when trying to resume I get errors like fatal exception OE in module 0028:C1530A38 or C14e6a98, or C14E7198 or C152E8A8. Many times when I choose shutdown, explorer gives a message illegal operation at kernel32 0177:BFF7B9E6. So my experience with 98 on my 770ED is not good. I don't know if I should go back to my 95, or do a clean fresh install. Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 7 23:42:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06849 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02248; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:40:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02083; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02071; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p38.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.172]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA00545 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808080339.UAA00545@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 20:39:28 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TPALL - Home & Away Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu While we're talking about this nice card, has anyone had this problem? Under Warp 4, my card works GREAT on my TCP/IP network (quite fast, considering the load the machine can handle), but the modem part doesn't work when I'm out of the house. Anyone else had this problem? I have the 28.8K version, but I'm also using v. 1.0 of the drivers (I'm too lazy for now trying to go to v.2.0, plus my system's been up for over 12 days anyways, and I don't want to shut down). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 00:42:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07500 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04370; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:40:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04104; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04075; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p36.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.170]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04867; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808080439.VAA04867@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "SeungJin Lee" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 21:09:31 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701] New Mail Receiver ^^; Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:09:52 PDT, SeungJin Lee wrote: >i'm using TP701c with 2.1Gb Hdd, 40Mb Ram, IBM 4X-CDROM, 56k Megahertz >Modem, A4Tech Wineasy Mouse, Epson Stylus Photo printer. > What operating system(s) are on your 701c? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 00:42:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA07506 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04382; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:40:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04078; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04065; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 00:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p36.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.170]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04863 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808080439.VAA04863@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 21:08:51 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TOTAL SOLUTION $5.00 -Reply Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:09:29 -0600, Mike Hunziker wrote: >I never read spam....it got deleted before I even read it. I sometimes read it, and sometimes threaten the guy who send's it never to send it again. But to ask on this list - SHEESH! -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 02:53:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09182 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07107; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:49:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06984; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06971; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 02:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p16.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.150]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA13244; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808080648.XAA13244@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Kim" Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 23:48:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: NiMH battery regime Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:14:19 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Paul Khoury wrote: >> >> >My TP701's NiMH battery seems to be holding up just fine after being left >> >in and left on AC 24/7 for over a year and a half now. That's why I'm >> >> That is nice that doing that makes no difference. I've had my 701 on >> 24/7, for almost 2 weeks, connected to the TCP/IP network, but when >> I go to school, I hope that the battery still works properly, as opposed >> to one without the circuitry the 701's has. > >I should note that I have had *some* problems with the battery not >charging after short stints without AC (power failures, trips to the >bathroom, etc. :-). But I'm 99% sure it's due to failing charger >circuitry on the 701 itself. I have a spare NiMH which has gone mostly >unused. It exhibited the same symptoms when I popped it in. The chances >that my unused spare battery would suffer the exact same failure as my >main battery are pretty slim, so I suspect the charger. If it's still under warranty, get a new charger. As for the bathroom, I find that a copy of PC Weak or Sm@rtReseller is more convienent (and save the ThinkPad for bed). As for power failures, I always think of my ThinkPad as having a built-in UPS. When our power went out last summer because of too many ACs on, guess who had the brightest flashlight? My 701 (the brightest OS/2 based flashlight on the block, or most of the city for that matter). =) -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 05:17:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA10519 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12700; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:15:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11879; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (www0f.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11866; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 05:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11716 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Aug 1998 09:14:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19980808091454.11715.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 208.226.93.167 by webmail.netscape.com via web-mailer(3.1) on Sat Aug 8 09:14:54 GMT 1998 Date: 8 Aug 98 02:14:54 PDT From: David Lyall To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Docking Station work with 365? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've seen some used docking stations for sale recently. The ones which are much more than the port replicators available now. Ibm does not seem to sell the docking stations anymore. Will these only work with the 750 series? Or will the port on my 365 work with one as well? ____________________________________________________________________ More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 07:05:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA12337 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18532; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:04:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18378; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18366; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 07:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-5.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.5]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id GAA14137; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:04:02 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01bdc2bc$40e79180$051f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "ThinkPad Users Group" , "Jerry Cudmore" Subject: Re: 770ed and new WIN98 CD Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 06:04:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've certainly had some minor problems with Win '98 on my 770E but not to this extent. In four weeks, I've only had one blue screen on start-up and one on shut down (knock on wood). My install was clean; you might try that but I don't know that you will be able to install clean with what IBM sent you. Even if the Win '98 CD is installable you'll need a '95 CD or floppies if you've got an upgrade version of the '98 CD. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 10:33 PM Subject: 770ed and new WIN98 CD >I recently received my WIN98 CD-rom from IBM; it came with a companion >CD-rom. This was to upgrade my TP 770ED. I followed their instructions by >using their companion CD-ROM first. This upgraded the bios, then it >uninstalled the cardworks drivers and subdirectory. > >I was told to put in the WIN98 CD and upgrade, I followed the prompts. When >WIN98 was finished I rebooted and once again used the companion CD; I >followed their instructions exactly and upgraded all the drivers, except >the dock2 pcmcia drivers, since I don't have that unit. > >When it was all finished some 3 hours later, the system works but get >errors on shutting down or suspending, I also get windows protection error >on 2 out of 10 boot-ups. > >The original cab files are still there, so are the factory diskette maker. >Should this stuff have been replaced with the newer stuff on the CD? > >If I do a suspend (standby) it does suspend, but when trying to resume I >get errors like fatal exception OE in module 0028:C1530A38 or C14e6a98, or >C14E7198 or C152E8A8. > >Many times when I choose shutdown, explorer gives a message illegal >operation at kernel32 0177:BFF7B9E6. > >So my experience with 98 on my 770ED is not good. I don't know if I should >go back to my 95, or do a clean fresh install. > >Jerry Cudmore > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 10:35:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14419 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23288; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:31:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23132; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23117; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id JAA10614; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:31:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199808081431.JAA10614@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: pcmcia nic To: rpritz@interport.net Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 09:31:21 -0500 (CDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, I was out of town for about a week, just trying to catch up with mail ... I got an IBM Home & Away 14.4 modem/10-base-T card for my 560x recently for about $23 (card $15 + $8s+h if I recall). try www.onsale.com Cheers, Esmail > Anyone know where I can find a decent, inexpensive 10BaseT pcmcia > card? I believe others on this list have said they've bought these > cards for around $30, but I can't find any near this price. Am I > mis-remembering what people have said about pricing? Am I looking > in the wrong places? ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 11:35:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15114 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24892; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:33:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24659; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24639; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (51-1.ts.mag-net.com) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 08:33:17 PST From: "peter machule" To: "David Lyall" , Subject: Re: Docking Station work with 365? Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 08:22:38 -0000 Message-ID: <01bdc2a5$b4211020$2d5466cf@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Was this www.onsale or are there others out there? I'm really looking for the Select a dock BASE STATION. ..peter.. -----Original Message----- From: David Lyall To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 10:15 AM Subject: Docking Station work with 365? >I've seen some used docking stations for sale >recently. The ones which are much more >than the port replicators available now. > >Ibm does not seem to sell the docking >stations >anymore. > >Will these only work with the 750 series? >Or will the port on my 365 work with one >as well? > >____________________________________________________________________ >More than just email--Get your FREE Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/netcenter/mail From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 14:32:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17589 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29397; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:31:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29290; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thanatos.clara.net (qmailr@thanatos.clara.net [195.8.69.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29278; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 14:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28728 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1998 18:31:00 -0000 Received: from du-0922.claranet.co.uk (195.8.76.87) by mail.clara.net with SMTP; 8 Aug 1998 18:31:00 -0000 From: nickdixon@bigfoot.com (Nick Dixon) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: DOS mouse driver? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:30:39 GMT Message-ID: <35cc8edc.2962093@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi there, Does anyone know where I can get/download a DOS mouse driver for my 380XD? Thanks, Nick -------------------------------------------- THE DAILY DAMON: www.thedailydamon.clara.net Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews... -------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 17:35:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19983 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03935; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:32:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03615; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03603; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (asc210.idsonline.com [207.176.21.210]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10583; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:23:49 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Arthur Salzberg" To: "'Jerry Cudmore'" , Subject: RE: 770ed and new WIN98 CD Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc313$1a9c7ca0$d215b0cf@asalzberg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980807233142.0084b270@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >>The original cab files are still there, so are the factory diskette maker. >>Should this stuff have been replaced with the newer stuff on the CD? No, the Win95 Cabs are not replaced automatically but you can delete the original Win95CABS and replace them with Win98Cabs. Then, using the new TweakUI version on the Win98 Cd rom, you can direct Windows to look at the cab directory on your hardrive, (general>special folders>installation path) rather than the CD rom, when re-installing or installing new drivers. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 17:35:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19986 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03996; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:33:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03653; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03632; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (asc210.idsonline.com [207.176.21.210]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA10578; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:23:46 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Arthur Salzberg" To: "'Jerry Cudmore'" , Subject: RE: 770ed and new WIN98 CD Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 17:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bdc313$18e074c0$d215b0cf@asalzberg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980807233142.0084b270@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello Jerry View your devices from safe mode (my computer>properties>device manager) Make certain there are no double entries--if there are, delete both, reboot and have windows redetect your hardware. I recall having to go through several reboots before Win98 recognized all the devices, installed the proper drivers, and then settled down. I assume you did not convert the boot drive c to Fat32, correct? best/ -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore [mailto:jerryray@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:32 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770ed and new WIN98 CD I recently received my WIN98 CD-rom from IBM; it came with a companion CD-rom. This was to upgrade my TP 770ED. I followed their instructions by using their companion CD-ROM first. This upgraded the bios, then it uninstalled the cardworks drivers and subdirectory. I was told to put in the WIN98 CD and upgrade, I followed the prompts. When WIN98 was finished I rebooted and once again used the companion CD; I followed their instructions exactly and upgraded all the drivers, except the dock2 pcmcia drivers, since I don't have that unit. When it was all finished some 3 hours later, the system works but get errors on shutting down or suspending, I also get windows protection error on 2 out of 10 boot-ups. The original cab files are still there, so are the factory diskette maker. Should this stuff have been replaced with the newer stuff on the CD? If I do a suspend (standby) it does suspend, but when trying to resume I get errors like fatal exception OE in module 0028:C1530A38 or C14e6a98, or C14E7198 or C152E8A8. Many times when I choose shutdown, explorer gives a message illegal operation at kernel32 0177:BFF7B9E6. So my experience with 98 on my 770ED is not good. I don't know if I should go back to my 95, or do a clean fresh install. 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X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The IBM PC DOS 7 update files are somewhere on the IBM site. A mouse driver might be there. >Does anyone know where I can get/download a DOS mouse driver for my >380XD? >Thanks, >Nick >-------------------------------------------- >THE DAILY DAMON: www.thedailydamon.clara.net >Damon Hill...news...gossip...interviews... >-------------------------------------------- _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 22:03:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22831 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12275; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:01:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12148; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12134; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA32439 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 04:01:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43); 9 Aug 98 04:01:43 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.43); 9 Aug 98 04:01:30 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.180) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 9 Aug 98 04:01:26 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10]) by Magrathea.stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA06546 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 20:36:01 +0200 Message-Id: <199808081836.UAA06546@Magrathea.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:35:59 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: DOS mouse driver? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:30:39 GMT, Nick Dixon wrote: Hi! >Does anyone know where I can get/download a DOS mouse driver for my >380XD? You may try the one from LogiTech. It works fine on my 760, and your's shoudn't be diffrent. All you need is a driver capable handling BUS-Mice. The LogiTech one can handle both, so it should work nearly allways. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 23:22:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23961 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14011; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13893; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f22.hotmail.com [207.82.250.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13881; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14505 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1998 03:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19980809032037.14504.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.114.3.158 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:20:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.114.3.158] From: "SeungJin Lee" To: tinititw@hotmail.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, pkhoury@loop.com Subject: Re: [TP701] New Mail Receiver ^^; Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:20:36 PDT Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu i'm using Korean version of Windosw95 OR2 for OS. i failed korean version of Windows98 Beta 1602 with my 701c. --SeungJin Lee from S.Korea-- >From: "Paul Khoury" >To: "SeungJin Lee" , > "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" >Date: Fri, 07 Aug 98 21:09:31 -0800 >Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" >Subject: Re: [TP701] New Mail Receiver ^^; > >On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 18:09:52 PDT, SeungJin Lee wrote: > >>i'm using TP701c with 2.1Gb Hdd, 40Mb Ram, IBM 4X-CDROM, 56k Megahertz >>Modem, A4Tech Wineasy Mouse, Epson Stylus Photo printer. >> >What operating system(s) are on your 701c? > >-- >Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 >http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html >Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 >ICQ#14582895 > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 23:39:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24164 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14646; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:37:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14530; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.cs.uiowa.edu (server.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14517; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.cs.uiowa.edu with id WAA27416 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:37:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199808090337.WAA27416@server.cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP all & 560x] Am I being too picky? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:37:46 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi I've got a question for you TP owners ... I recently got my TP 560x, I really like the machine, but ... I get "imprints" on the screen from the space bar and the left "mouse" button. They wipe off ok, but it bothers me that the lid seems to rest so much on the keyboard, and I don't know what this would do in the long run. There is also a place in the center of the lower left quadrant that seems very susceptible to pressure on the lid. If I press _anywhere_ on the back of the lid while the screen is on the liquid stuff (?) in the LCD seems to "bubble" in the same spot. Also, the lid, when closed doesn't make even contact everywhere evenly. And the case seems a bit warped upright right were the floppy disk connector is. Looks like the case popped upwards there, but I can't get it to go back in ok and stick. Am I being too picky? One of the reasons I dished out such a chunk of money was that I was buying quality. Am I expecting too much? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 8 23:47:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA24251 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15113; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:46:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14999; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14987; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tp701 ([209.37.168.19]) by innernet.net with ESMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 4380900 ; Sat, 08 Aug 1998 23:57:14 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Slip" To: Subject: IBM Y-cable for network/modem cards. Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:45:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BDC326.B0E7D980" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <199808090457.4380900@innernet.net> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BDC326.B0E7D980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey there! After reading over the manual, I found out that I can use a standard y-cable for my PCMCIA network combo card. It currently uses a big block connector(in case you havn't figured it out yet, it's the Home&Away card) The only info I have on it is that is a y-cable-one end going out for phone, the other going out for LAN(each around 3')The part number from IBM is 25H4198. Acording to the users guide, this cable is pretty standard. Anyone out there happen to have one of these? I need it because my thinkpad (701) has an expanding KB...The KB expands over top the PC card slot, thus making the large block-connector a hassle with other cards. Lemme know. Thanks! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_01BDC326.B0E7D980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey there!
After reading over = the manual, I found out that I can use a standard y-cable for my PCMCIA = network combo card. It currently uses a big block connector(in case you = havn't figured it out yet, it's the Home&Away card) The only info I = have on it is that is a y-cable-one end going out for phone, the other = going out for LAN(each around 3')The part number from IBM is 25H4198. Acording to the users guide, this cable is pretty = standard. Anyone out there happen to have one of these? I need it = because my thinkpad (701) has an expanding KB...The KB expands over top = the PC card slot, thus making the large block-connector a hassle with = other cards.
Lemme know.
Thanks!
-Jamie

------=_NextPart_000_01BDC326.B0E7D980-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 02:59:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA26748 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19715; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:57:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19612; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19599; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p40.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.174]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA21113 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 1998 23:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808090655.XAA21113@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 08 Aug 98 23:56:24 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 710T AC adapters Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Does anyone know where I can get this extremely hard to find adapter? With my current setup, it will take forever to charge up the battery to run the machine. I need a round barrel, 20v, 1a adapter. TIA for any sources, -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 03:49:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27345 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA22067; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:46:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21970; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21957; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 55.chicago-23-24rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.157.55]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980809074557.EIOV6315@55.chicago-23-24rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:45:57 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP all & 560x] Am I being too picky? Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 07:46:32 GMT Message-ID: <35cd2ef4.42967504@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199808090337.WAA27416@server.cs.uiowa.edu> In-Reply-To: <199808090337.WAA27416@server.cs.uiowa.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 22:37:46 -0500 (CDT), Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: >I've got a question for you TP owners ... I recently got my TP 560x, I >really like the machine, but ... > >I get "imprints" on the screen from the space bar and the left "mouse" >button. They wipe off ok, but it bothers me that the lid seems to rest >so much on the keyboard, and I don't know what this would do in the >long run. There is also a place in the center of the lower left >quadrant that seems very susceptible to pressure on the lid. If I press >_anywhere_ on the back of the lid while the screen is on the liquid >stuff (?) in the LCD seems to "bubble" in the same spot. > >Also, the lid, when closed doesn't make even contact everywhere >evenly. And the case seems a bit warped upright right were the floppy >disk connector is. Looks like the case popped upwards there, but I >can't get it to go back in ok and stick. > >Am I being too picky? One of the reasons I dished out such a chunk of >money was that I was buying quality. Am I expecting too much? I'm inclined to say you are. I've got a 560 and noticed the same things, but they don't bother me about mine. The laptop works perfectly and the fit and finish seem good enough. If I've a criticism at all, it's that I'd prefer the old method of two latches at either front end of the case to hold the lid down rather than the single latch method - I think it'd make a better seal, and I know I wouldn't keep prying at my other Thinkpads wondering why the lid is stuck when I use them :-) epbrown=20 Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 14:34:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05330 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13063; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:30:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12844; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from repop1.jps.net (repop1.jps.net [209.63.224.238]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12831; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from elvis (209-239-196-153.oak.jps.net [209.239.196.153]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA20917 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "elvis" To: Subject: 701c to 95 upgrade help Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:27:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001301bdc3c3$6f687e40$99c4efd1@elvis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi. I am preparing to upgrade my 701c 75Mhz, 16 Meg Ram, 720 HDD, to Windows 95. I have already downloaded IBM's Bios upgrade patch for 95, and all the avaliable documentation on the subject I could find. I was wondering if any of you guys had any personal experiences/tips you could share with me that could make things go a little smoother. Please email if possible. elvis@jps.net Thanks, Jeff Kiyoi From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 15:27:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06039 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14235; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:26:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14131; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mb1.mailbank.com (mb1.mailbank.com [204.244.193.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14119; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 15:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pp111-205.bctel.ca [209.52.111.205] (HELO thinkpad) by mb1.mailbank.com (AltaVista Mail V2.0H/2.0H BL25H listener) id 0000_014f_35cd_eff7_1ce4; Sun, 09 Aug 1998 11:52:39 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bdc3c7$0a0eeb20$cd6f34d1@thinkpad.Moorgate> Reply-To: "David S. Crombie" From: "David S. Crombie" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 64 MB in 365 XD (again) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 12:53:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just to confirm for the other 365xd owners out there - I just bought a 64 MB chip (Southland) and it works fine. Speed is very noticeable and worth the money in my opinion. It was installed after the recent Bios update, so I don't know if it works without the upgrade or not. (the bios had been flashed a while ago). David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 18:43:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08695 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19706; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:41:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19570; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19557; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA27215; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CE25A2.69C08956@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:41:38 -0400 From: Bill X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: elvis CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c to 95 upgrade help References: <001301bdc3c3$6f687e40$99c4efd1@elvis> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Jeff.. you'll want more memory.. 24megs is the magic number, but 40megs is better.. you don't need anything from IBM's web site.. the 701 was designed for win95.. all you need is the latest bios the "O" rev.(thats oh, not zero and its dated dec 1995 i think) win95 will change your bios setup vis-a-vis the ports, etc., so i suggest that you select the setup that you want and then load win95.. also, copy the cab files to the HDD and load it from there.. another thing.. load w95 with out having the port replicator connected.. then, after all is satisfactory, connect it and reboot.. win95 will find other hardware devices and hand you a "docked" profile.. uhh.. thats all i can think of at the moment... :-) elvis wrote: > Hi. I am preparing to upgrade my 701c 75Mhz, 16 Meg Ram, 720 HDD, to > Windows 95. I have already downloaded IBM's Bios upgrade patch for 95, and > all the avaliable documentation on the subject I could find. I was > wondering if any of you guys had any personal experiences/tips you could > share with me that could make things go a little smoother. > > Please email if possible. > > elvis@jps.net > > Thanks, > > Jeff Kiyoi From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 19:48:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09840 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21438; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:46:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21328; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21316; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA00903; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:46:21 -1000 Message-ID: <000a01bdc3f0$0d076e00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill" , "elvis" Cc: Subject: Re: 701c to 95 upgrade help Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:47:19 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill wrote: >you don't need anything from IBM's web site.. the 701 was designed for win95.. Not literally, of course - stock was W3.1 and OS/2, W95 didn't exist when the 701 came out. >all you need is the latest bios the "O" rev.(thats oh, not zero and its dated >dec 1995 i think) Which is from the IBM web site, making the first assertion a bit strange. I think the video/sound.etc drivers at IBM might be better than the generic ones W95 installs. PS - Aloha Jeff; we once corresponded re: something or other. (CD-ROM? I remember because of the juxtaposition of the local name and the Elvis moniker.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 19:50:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09874 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21678; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:49:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21536; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (r47-90.adinet.com.uy [206.99.47.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21512; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (r7-33.adinet.com.uy [200.40.7.33] (may be forged)) by netgate.com.uy (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA27984 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:51:10 -0300 Message-Id: <199808092351.UAA27984@netgate.com.uy> X-Sender: hteszler@netgate.com.uy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:43:34 -0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Harry Teszler Subject: Quicktime with no sound in my 770 ED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again everybody. Does anybody know how I should configure my just installed 32 Quick Time Video Software to get sound ? Everything Ok. but I can not get the sound from any of my MOV files. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. hteszler@netgate.com.uy harryt@redfacil.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 20:10:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA10239 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22672; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22560; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22548; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend03.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.51.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id UAA12788; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35CE3A45.C3595C48@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:09:41 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: elvis , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c to 95 upgrade help References: <000a01bdc3f0$0d076e00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu David.. David Ross wrote: > Bill wrote: > > >you don't need anything from IBM's web site.. the 701 was designed for win95.. > > Not literally, of course - stock was W3.1 and OS/2, W95 didn't exist when the 701 came out. > no, literally..i got this from one of the design team.. the 701 is the last thinkpad designed in the USA.. now they are all designed at yamato in japan.. > >all you need is the latest bios the "O" rev.(thats oh, not zero and its dated > >dec 1995 i think) > > Which is from the IBM web site, making the first assertion a bit strange. I think the video/sound.etc drivers at IBM might be > better than the generic ones W95 installs. ok, so be a nit picker.. but all 701's ahould have the "O" bios by now, dont'ch think.. :-) after all, it IS over 2 years old.. since it is dated 12/15/95.. > PS - Aloha Jeff; we once corresponded re: something or other. (CD-ROM? I remember because of the juxtaposition of the local name > and the Elvis moniker.) > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 21:35:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11929 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25308; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:29:50 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25106; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id VAA02638; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 21:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop02.globecomm.net (pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22002; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wierd (ppp39-jkt1.indosat.net.id [202.155.28.39]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id TAA24353 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Dimas Setiawan" From: "Dimas Setiawan" To: Subject: ThinkPad Logo on StartUp Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:53:44 +0700 Message-ID: <01bdc3f0$f18478c0$271c9bca@wierd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear List! I was interest to update ROM BIOS on my thinkpad760XD. Is there any change for us to customize 'ThinkPad' logo in the bottom left screen when we start up our notebook. It will COOL to see our own design. Any suggestion?, thank you Regards, Sobat Lama From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 9 22:42:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12955 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27713; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:40:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27542; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27530; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerrycud ([12.68.136.41]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980810023926.ZLN27097@jerrycud> for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:39:26 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980809224306.008429f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jerryray@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 22:43:06 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: 770ed WIN98 ZIP+ NG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just did a clean install of WIN98 on a TP 770ED. I used the special disk IBM sent and it made the upgrade a lot easier. Problems with ZIP+ drive and the 770ED. 5 of 8 times on boot up I get windows protection error, you need to restart your system. I do this many times until it works. With the ZIP+ off I never have this message. This same drive works fine on this same machine under the WIN95 factory preload. I have tried all the latest drivers I even removed all the drivers, but it always ;eave the ppa3.mpd file in win\iosubsys. this file looks for the zip drive on the parallel port. Can anyone offer any suggestions for this problem. Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 01:55:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA15158 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03374; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:54:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03276; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03264; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user1.teleport.com (user1.teleport.com [192.108.254.10]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA08800; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user1.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id WAA03341; Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Team OS/2 Help Desk Subject: Cardbus in OS/2 Warp 4? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Folks, Does anyone know if Cardbus cards are supported on Thinkpads in OS/2 Warp 4? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 02:45:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA15794 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04654; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:43:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04546; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04534; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from N0Y0UARE@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CBVDa27698 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 02:43:12 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: ThinkPad Logo on StartUp Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Tell you what, Sobat: send us all five bucks, and we'll tell you how. In a message dated 98-08-10, Sobat Lama wrote: > >Dear List! > > > >I was interest to update ROM BIOS on my thinkpad760XD. > > > >Is there any change for us to customize 'ThinkPad' logo in the > >bottom left screen when we start up our notebook. > > > >It will COOL to see our own design. > > > > > >Any suggestion?, thank you > > > > > >Regards, > >Sobat Lama From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 06:49:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA17852 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16319; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16182; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16170; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a22.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.22]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12511 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808101048.GAA12511@pike.sover.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 06:39:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS2 VTD & TP 600 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Before I shell out for the TP 600, can anyone tell me if they have run OS2 4 Voice Type on it -- and does it work okay? Thanks _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 07:56:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18384 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19549; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:49:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19356; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19344; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 114.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.155.114]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980810114841.COKB27163@114.chicago-18-19rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:48:41 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c to 95 upgrade help Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:49:23 GMT Message-ID: <35d13a0a.83183862@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <001301bdc3c3$6f687e40$99c4efd1@elvis> <35CE25A2.69C08956@icanect.net> In-Reply-To: <35CE25A2.69C08956@icanect.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:41:38 -0400, Bill wrote: |you don't need anything from IBM's web site.. the 701 was designed for = win95.. I tried and tried to let this pass, and darn it, I couldn't! The IBM 701 was released in May 1995, months before Windows 95, and released with Windows 3.11 on it. Anyone who actually made the transition to 95 when it came out (as I did) can assure you that it wasn't exactly all jam at the time. People have trouble loading the OS onto 701s to this day, despite the BIOS updates and help files. IBM no more designed the 701 for Windows 95 than they built my 560 for Windows 98. If IBM had that sort of foresight, they'd have designed in the ability to use Pentium chips and with an 800x600 display, both of which were released months after the 701 and what led to it's early demise as a model line. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 08:51:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA18976 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21410; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:49:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21239; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21218; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id HAA25627 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:49:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lax-ca66-08.ix.netcom.com(207.223.161.72) by dfw-ix16.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma025573; Mon Aug 10 07:48:59 1998 Message-ID: <35CEEC0E.374E@oscars.org> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:48:14 -0700 From: Byerly Woodward Reply-To: byewood@ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tpads Subject: battery charge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a 385XD that I'm planning to take on a long, long plane ride and I am wondering what's the best way to configure the thing to get best 'hang' time with the battery. I don't relish writing in longhand anymore and I can't afford a spare battery. Do airlines let you recharge anywhere on the plane? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 10:08:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA19943 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25365; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:06:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25207; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25193; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wierd (slip202-135-133-62.jk.id.ibm.net [202.135.133.62]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id KAA00575 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Sobat Lama" From: "Sobat Lama" To: Subject: ThinkPad Logo Screen Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:57:24 +0700 Message-ID: <01bdc44d$a7dac460$428587ca@wierd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Dear List! I was interest to update ROM BIOS on my thinkpad760XD. Is there any change for us to customize 'ThinkPad' logo in the bottom left screen when we start up our notebook. It will COOL to see our own design. Any suggestion?, thank you Regards, Sobat Lama From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 10:21:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA20157 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26325; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26174; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26160; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA16694 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDC448.6A5A63C0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:53 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDC448.6A5A63C0@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 701c to 95 upgrade help Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:19:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu hi butterfliers, about the generic drivers for the 701 included in win95... I seem to have noticed that it really depends on the version of win95 you are installing. I remember the original drivers from win95a being ok, without the scrambled screen when opening a DOS-box. The drivers also didn't support any of the game-technologies, so they tend to be overwritten at some point. Those drivers and the updates from the chips&technology site give you the scrambled screen when opening a DOS-box. When I installed win95b2.5 recently, everything went well, and I no longer have the scrambled screen, but I can't figure out how to get 800x600 (external only) to work with decent refresh rates, much less 1024x786 (external only), which should be supported at 256 colors and at least 70Hz. I only get 43 Hz interlaced, which is unusable... Boy do I envy my officemate with a TP600... axel %>you don't need anything from IBM's web site.. the 701 was designed for win95.. %Which is from the IBM web site, making the first assertion a bit strange. I think the video/sound.etc drivers at IBM might be %better than the generic ones W95 installs. ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 11:19:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21085 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29809; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:16:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29576; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29549; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (pool1-2.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.67]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15161 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:16:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980810081508.008a8790@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:15:08 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Lou Subject: Strange setup for reply to Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This list has a strange setup for replying to messages. Unless I am doing something wrong, I need to add a cc: when I reply to messages on this list if I want it sent to the list. All other lists have the reply to automatically send back to the list and requires an cc: to the sender. Is there a reason for this or did I miss something in the setup? Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 11:19:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21090 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29856; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:17:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29700; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29663; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (pool1-2.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.67]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15155; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:16:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980810081233.00824d50@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:12:33 -0700 To: mocek@ibm.net From: Lou Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Model Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35c91a32.2845527@smtp2.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I saw that over the weekend. Not even PII. Seems a bit pricey. They should at least have a bigger screen. At 10:02 PM 8/5/98 -0500, you wrote: > >This might be old news for some on this list, but I just heard about >it through a "news" service I subscribe to. Its called the 385XD-LEU, >233MMX, 12.1 TFT, the rest of the usual stuff, for $1999 list. The web >page is at: (watch for word wrap) > >http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/;display/category?cgmenbr=1&cgr fnbr=40318&topcgrfnbr=40318 > > >-- >Stan Mocek >mocek@ibm.net > > Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 11:39:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21379 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01716; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:36:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01533; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01470; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA15233; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01201; Mon, 10 Aug 98 11:23:00 EDT Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:22:59 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: byewood@ix.netcom.com Cc: Tpads Subject: Re: battery charge In-Reply-To: <35CEEC0E.374E@oscars.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Byerly Woodward wrote: > I have a 385XD that I'm planning to take on a long, long plane ride and > I am wondering what's the best way to configure the thing to get best > 'hang' time with the battery. I don't relish writing in longhand > anymore and I can't afford a spare battery. Do airlines let you > recharge anywhere on the plane? Go to your BIOS setup and turn off all unused ports (serial, parallel, modem, etc). These consume power when they're enabled, even if you're not using them. Remove any PCMCIA cards you will not be using. These almost universally draw some power while just plugged in. The good ones will draw a little power (typically 10-20 milliamp-hours), but the bad ones will draw full power (100-150 mAh). Set your screen to the dimmest setting available (duh! :-). Set the screen blank timer to as short as you find comfortable. The biggest power draw on most laptops is the screen backlight. You *don't* want to leave the timer to this short amount for typical use because conventional wisdom holds that turning the backlight on and off frequently shortens its life; and backlights are mighty expensive if you've ever replaced one. Note that these are BIOS settings - what Windows does to your screen ("blanking", black on white, or white on black) is irrelevant to battery life. I presume you're running Win95. Windows is rather greedy when it comes to using virtual memory (so was OS/2 last time I used it). The instant it boots up it seems to expand the swapfile to about 24 MB even though you have 64+ MB of empty main memory. If you have enough RAM, turn off virtual memory. Kill any nonessential utilities you have which access the hard drive at regular (short) intervals. Win95 doesn't use the halt instruction built into all modern processors. That means if the computer is doing nothing, Windows will spend the idle time doing its damned best to convert your precious battery amp-hours into waste heat by running the CPU at full speed. Find a utility which will stop your processor if it's not doing anything (you'll have to ask on the list as I rarely use Win95). Linux, OS/2, and NT do take advantage of the halt instruction. Preliminary reports seem to indicate Win98 does as well. On my 701, I get about an extra 15 minutes running Linux over the 2.5 hours I usually get running Win95. On a similar note, turn off any background utilities which consume CPU power (screen savers, animated cats running around your desktop, etc). Be sure everything is saved before your battery dies. The backup batteries built into laptops seem to last varying amounts of time. If your main battery dies with 2 hours left in the flight, the backup may not last long enough to maintain the computer's memory for that long, even in suspend. You could try using hibernate, although that could use a lot of power and time as it involves writing all your RAM to the disk. Note: For most laptop owners, the cost of a spare battery is significantly less than the salary-hours lost as you waste time twiddling with the above settings to figure out what does and doesn't work on your system running your favorite apps with your usage habits. My excuse was that I was a grad student. That meant it was worth my time to figure all this out even though I *had* a spare battery. :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 11:42:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21448 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02229; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:40:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02103; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02090; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hkyxztrz (pool1-2.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.67]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA15146; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980810080952.008d7140@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:09:52 -0700 To: "Robert J. Karp" From: Lou Subject: Re: 770ed and new WIN98 CD Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001a01bdc2bc$40e79180$051f46c6@rkarp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I was a more than a bit disappointed to find that the CD-ROM that came with my 380ED did not contain Win95but some wierd scrambled version. Is IBM the only OEM that does this or is this the way all new OEM systems come? It makes one go through hoops to reinstall the OS. What a PITA! At 06:04 AM 8/8/98 -0500, you wrote: >I've certainly had some minor problems with Win '98 on my 770E but not to >this extent. In four weeks, I've only had one blue screen on start-up and >one on shut down (knock on wood). My install was clean; you might try that >but I don't know that you will be able to install clean with what IBM sent >you. Even if the Win '98 CD is installable you'll need a '95 CD or floppies >if you've got an upgrade version of the '98 CD. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Cudmore >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 10:33 PM >Subject: 770ed and new WIN98 CD > > >>I recently received my WIN98 CD-rom from IBM; it came with a companion >>CD-rom. This was to upgrade my TP 770ED. I followed their instructions by >>using their companion CD-ROM first. This upgraded the bios, then it >>uninstalled the cardworks drivers and subdirectory. >> >>I was told to put in the WIN98 CD and upgrade, I followed the prompts. When >>WIN98 was finished I rebooted and once again used the companion CD; I >>followed their instructions exactly and upgraded all the drivers, except >>the dock2 pcmcia drivers, since I don't have that unit. >> >>When it was all finished some 3 hours later, the system works but get >>errors on shutting down or suspending, I also get windows protection error >>on 2 out of 10 boot-ups. >> >>The original cab files are still there, so are the factory diskette maker. >>Should this stuff have been replaced with the newer stuff on the CD? >> >>If I do a suspend (standby) it does suspend, but when trying to resume I >>get errors like fatal exception OE in module 0028:C1530A38 or C14e6a98, or >>C14E7198 or C152E8A8. >> >>Many times when I choose shutdown, explorer gives a message illegal >>operation at kernel32 0177:BFF7B9E6. >> >>So my experience with 98 on my 770ED is not good. I don't know if I should >>go back to my 95, or do a clean fresh install. >> >>Jerry Cudmore >> > > > > Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 11:44:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21560 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02454; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02305; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02286; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA15402 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01208; Mon, 10 Aug 98 11:28:53 EDT Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Strange setup for reply to In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980810081508.008a8790@mail.smartlink.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Lou wrote: > This list has a strange setup for replying to messages. Unless I am doing > something wrong, I need to add a cc: when I reply to messages on this list > if I want it sent to the list. > > All other lists have the reply to automatically send back to the list and > requires an cc: to the sender. > > Is there a reason for this or did I miss something in the setup? It helps to cut down on the noise. If the list is set up to automatically reply back to the list, the list ends up getting a lot of the comments (and flames) which the sender actually meant to send only to the original author. If the list is set up the way it is, you have to consciously make a decision to reply to the entire list; and if you goof and accidently send a reply only to the original poster, you have to decide your message was important enough to warrant re-sending with the correct to: address. Most mail programs have a reply-to-all feature. Use that instead of just reply, and you should get the TP list address in either the to: or cc: lines. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 12:26:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22255 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05423; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:23:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05220; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05206; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29605; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:23:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:23:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Lou cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ed and new WIN98 CD In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980810080952.008d7140@mail.smartlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu We just purchased a new Sony Vaio desktop that provided an "image" disk rather than a windows disk... it works in the same exasperating ways as the IBM "image" disks. > I was a more than a bit disappointed to find that the CD-ROM that came with > my 380ED did not contain Win95but some wierd scrambled version. Is IBM the > only OEM that does this or is this the way all new OEM systems come? It > makes one go through hoops to reinstall the OS. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 13:00:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22983 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07985; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:59:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07840; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07828; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-29.ricochet.net [204.254.18.29]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24091; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:58:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808101658.LAA24091@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:58:55 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 10 Aug 1998 Cc: "Robert J. Karp" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I was a more than a bit disappointed to find that the CD-ROM that came with >my 380ED did not contain Win95but some wierd scrambled version. Is IBM the >only OEM that does this or is this the way all new OEM systems come? It >makes one go through hoops to reinstall the OS. >What a PITA! Everything you need is on there, just slightly disguised. Those gigantic files on the CD-ROM are actually plain ordinary ZIP files with a different extension, and there's a copy of PKUNZIP on either the CD-ROM or the floppy disk. What's in the ZIP files is the entire preinstall image, without long filenames. (The normal restore process uses LFNBK to restore the long filenames.) If you unzip them into a directory on your hard drive, you'll find the Windows\Options\Cabs folder (or something close to that). That folder is your Windows Setup folder, and it's a stock version of Windows OSR2.something. Copy that folder somewhere and junk the rest and you're all set. BTW, this whole thing comes from Microsoft. They have a "Windows preinstall" process the OEM goes through that produces these weird ZIP files. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 18:04:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00626 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25590; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:02:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25409; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from quickturn.com (antigone.quickturn.com [208.210.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25389; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 18:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sanjose.quickturn.com (fw-screen.quickturn.com [208.210.16.1]) by quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with ESMTP id PAA07316; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exp9 (exp9.quickturn.com [172.17.30.41]) by sanjose.quickturn.com (8.8.8/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA03211; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Justin Liu Received: by exp9 (SMI-8.6) id PAA14619; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:12 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:02:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199808102202.PAA14619@exp9> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, egiles@netpathway.com Subject: Re: 701c for sale at Surplus Direct X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I placed an order with them because I've been wanting to get my hands on one of these machines for a while. I know this has been covered before, but can someone point me to places where I can get accessories for this machine, mainly an extra battery. Also, did IBM/Port ever make a custom case for this unit? Is one available? If not, can someone recommend a good case? I'd prefer one that is just a slim portfolio that I can slip into a larger bag. I'm also thinking about putting Debian 2.0 on it and I was wondering if anyone else has done this and if there are any things to look out for. Thanks, - justin > > I'm not affiliated with them, I just thought some one the list may be > interested in this offer that is available again. > > Surplus Direct's weekly specials has the 701c 2630-7TU (75MHz, 16MB RAM, > 720MB HD, TFT) for $399. Here is the link to the site: > > http://www.surplusdirect.com/Specials/NB6723.asp?UID=DF01395763308981 > > They are factory refurbs with a 30 day Surplus Direct warranty, but it > is a pretty good deal. > > Sorry if this offends anyone on the list- > > Eric Giles > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 19:16:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA01813 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29134; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28961; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28948; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a35.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.35]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA29761 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808102314.TAA29761@pike.sover.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:45:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New 385, 560, 600 &770 when? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Intel says they will ship the 300mhz PII chip Sept. 9th. IBM will introduce new 385, 560, 600 & 770 ThinkPads with it. But has not said when. Prices will also be reduced on the current PII 266 mhz chip. Does anyone have an idea of when these things will be available? And how long after a price reduction by Intel does it normally take to see it on the retail end? _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 10 21:15:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA03638 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08230; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:12:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08073; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08059; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a30.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.30]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA03287 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808110112.VAA03287@pike.sover.net> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:27:38 -0400 To: tHINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980810080952.008d7140@mail.smartlink.net> Subject: Re: 770ed and new WIN98 CD X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I was a more than a bit disappointed to find that the CD-ROM that came >with my 380ED did not contain Win95but some wierd scrambled version. Is >IBM the only OEM that does this or is this the way all new OEM systems >come? It makes one go through hoops to reinstall the OS. >What a PITA! Some where in the documentation on my 560 there was statement that said this was requirement of the Microsoft license agreement. The problem appears to be that Gates wants to make sure that you buy Windows over and over and over and never get to put in on a new machine. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 01:20:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07163 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21581; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:18:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21364; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21351; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p44.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.178]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA24570; Mon, 10 Aug 1998 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808110514.WAA24570@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "egiles@netpathway.com" , "Justin Liu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 20:31:41 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 701c for sale at Surplus Direct Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >I'm also thinking about putting Debian 2.0 on it and I was wondering >if anyone else has done this and if there are any things to look out >for. I had an older version of Debian Linux on my 701 at one time, and had no trouble with it. For X, you need the server for 65545 Chips & Technologies chipsets. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 03:07:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA08711 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25121; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:03:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24731; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24716; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from super.du.etx.ericsson.se (root@super.du.etx.ericsson.se [150.236.14.16]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/glacier-1.11) with ESMTP id JAA07341 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from platins.du.etx.ericsson.se (jb@platins.du.etx.ericsson.se [150.236.14.85]) by super.du.etx.ericsson.se (8.9.0/8.9.0/erix-1.4) with ESMTP id JAA02761 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by platins.du.etx.ericsson.se (8.9.0/client-1.7) id JAA06085; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:42 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:03:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199808110703.JAA06085@platins.du.etx.ericsson.se> From: Johan Bevemyr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Quicktime with no sound in my 770 ED X-Mailer: VM 6.32 under Emacs 19.34.1 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Does anybody know how I should configure my just installed 32 Quick Time > Video Software to get sound ? > > Everything Ok. but I can not get the sound from any of my MOV files. I had the same problem with my TH600. It appears that the modem WAV sound driver conflicts with the crystal WAV driver. I solved this by disabling one of the thinkpad phone sound devices (can't remember which, the problem disappeared after upgrading to Win98). Open System Properties, click on device manager, open the sound controllers, double click on the proper thinkpad phone device and check the disable in this profile box. There is also a frequently asked question about this on the IBM thinkpad support page. However, they recommend that you disable the entire modem through the thinkpad configuration utility, which means that you have to reboot your machine every time. If you use the technique I described you can still use the modem but may not hear the dial sounds. Hope this helps. /Johan From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 03:47:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA09226 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26899; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:46:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26812; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26800; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-84.az.com (seawesta-84.az.com [204.201.18.84]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA24938 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808110742.AAA24938@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 01:00:34 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad HD's Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, Several things on the plate. 1)I tried the ctrl-A (Got some extra options) but there is no ctrl-F to low level format the drive. I found (trial and error) ctrl-k for what looks like a keyboard function test, and a ctrl-E (some type of error list but nothing listed). The loopback test was nasty in that I couldn't get out of it (I guess hence LOOPback (again and again)). Is there a specific low-level formatting software for thinkpad's or can you use any software to low-level format it?? 2)Bought a new 2.1gb harddrive. But it came with bigger than 528 drive software. Now, are thinkpad's (with latest BIOS) LBA enhanced or will I need to install this? I didn't notice any on the 1.4gb drive, so I don't think it would need it. But I thought I'd check first. 3)Is there a "hidden" features list somewhere for the ThinkPad 365XD? That ctrl-A trick wasn't listed anywhere that I've looked. I don't even think it was in the users manual in the .PDF that I printed out. 4)Anyone know if the AC adapter for TP365XD gets more stress put on it if it goes through a power protector? I have to use this laptop for school and in case I run dead on my batteries (4 batteries, one in and 3 backup, I hope not), I might have to use the "unshielded" power plugs. All hints, tips, tricks and doughnuts will be appreciated. :) Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 07:22:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA11628 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07363; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:18:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07252; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07239; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 130.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.152.130]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980811111751.BPAR29646@130.chicago-11-12rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:17:51 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 385, 560, 600 &770 when? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:18:33 GMT Message-ID: <35d02854.560791@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199808102314.TAA29761@pike.sover.net> In-Reply-To: <199808102314.TAA29761@pike.sover.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:45:31 -0400, wrote: |Does anyone have an idea of when these things will be available? And how |long after a price reduction by Intel does it normally take to see it on |the retail end? Traditionally, IBM has always released it's new models in May and October. epbrown Stop by the Portable Computing Center for the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 11:39:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14840 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19520; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:33:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19316; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19303; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk ([12.78.243.55]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980811153322.HVUV11601@uxledkvk> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:33:22 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980811113324.008048d0@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: JERRYRAY@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:33:24 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: WIN98 770ED sound problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have clean install of win98 on a 770ed Randomly when a wave file plays, I get repeated sound as if an IRQ conflict. I have checked device manager and there is no conflict. I used the new IBM cd and all the drivers should be the latest. Anyone else experience this? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 11:48:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14992 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20151; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:42:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19970; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19950; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09776; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01373; Tue, 11 Aug 98 11:29:45 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:29:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: LightSide Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: ThinkPad HD's Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, LightSide wrote: > > guess hence LOOPback (again and again)). Is there a specific > low-level formatting software for thinkpad's or can you use > any software to low-level format it?? Heh heh, we're finally starting to drift out of my area of expertise. :-) My two-year-old-out-of-date-understanding is that with IDE drives, you can use any generic low-level format software on it as long as the software recognizes the platter/cylinder aliasing scheme used on the drive. Those have been revamped several times in the last couple years, first to allow hard drives larger than 512MB, then (I think) to allow drives larger than 4GB. Using the wrong version to low level format your drive will probably turn it into an expensive paperweight. So tread carefully. > 2)Bought a new 2.1gb harddrive. But it came with bigger than > 528 drive software. Now, are thinkpad's (with latest BIOS) LBA > enhanced or will I need to install this? I didn't notice any > on the 1.4gb drive, so I don't think it would need it. But I > thought I'd check first. Wasn't LBA required for IDE drives larger than 512MB? If your Thinkpad can handle a 1.4GB drive, I don't see why it couldn't handle a 2.1GB drive. > 4)Anyone know if the AC adapter for TP365XD gets more stress > put on it if it goes through a power protector? I have to use > this laptop for school and in case I run dead on my batteries > (4 batteries, one in and 3 backup, I hope not), I might have > to use the "unshielded" power plugs. An electrical engineer would probably know better, but my understanding of AC adapters is that they assume a sine wave input and do their best to convert that into nearly-constant DC output (with more expensive adapters doing a better job of it). If you don't give it a sine wave input, you won't get DC ouput. This is usually a problem with 220V -> 110V convertors. They just truncate the peaks of the AC sine wave so that it never exceeds 110V. Fine for space heaters and vacuum cleaners, very bad for anything electronic which requires a DC current. No sine wave = no DC. You need a bulky transformer for electronics. So if your power source is "dirty" enough that you wouldn't dream of operating without a surge protector (I ran across this situation on a research ship), you probably don't want to use your AC adapter straight. You want some sort of UPS and line conditioner which will put out a nice sine wave. OTOH, if your power is clean, I would say running it through a surge protector would only give you the benefit of removing power spikes (most can't handle brownouts). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 11:49:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15008 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20162; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:43:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20018; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19967; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from argo.mak.com (argo.mak.com [207.86.232.26]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA09770; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by argo.mak.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01367; Tue, 11 Aug 98 11:29:13 EDT Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:29:10 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@argo To: Justin Liu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c for sale at Surplus Direct Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Mon, 10 Aug 1998, Justin Liu wrote: > this machine, mainly an extra battery. Also, did IBM/Port ever make > a custom case for this unit? Is one available? If not, can someone > recommend a good case? I'd prefer one that is just a slim portfolio > that I can slip into a larger bag. Yes, Port makes (made?) a custom case for it. It's not really a case, more a wrapper. It leaves the left and right sides exposed, which is actually a good thing since you can plug in your peripherals and modem/ethernet cables without having to remove the 701 from. There's even space for a couple 3.5" floppies or business cards on the inside. Rather than describe it further, just take a look at it: http://www.portinc.com/NoFrames/thportf.htm One wonders how we all survived before the Web. :-) I used mine extensively when I carried my 701 around during grad school. But near the end I was using the computer more than I was carrying it around, and the case tended to get in the way (made the 701 seem much bulkier, didn't stay on the lid until I velcro'ed it, velcro is rather noisy to rip open in a library, etc). All in all I'd say it's a really nice case for protecting your 701 from minor bumps and making it look like an organizer. But I dunno if it was worth the $79 it cost. Mine goes mostly unused now, but then my 701 goes mostly unused too. > I'm also thinking about putting Debian 2.0 on it and I was wondering > if anyone else has done this and if there are any things to look out > for. Other than having to specify hard drive parameters for my 720MB drive, I had no problems putting Linux on it. I did notice the floppy was really slow at reading the RedHat or Slackware boot disks, but I think they (Linux) fixed that about a year ago. You may or may not have problems with the hardware mouse pointer in X (pointer disappears, BIOS function popup display turns into pointer, etc). This can be solved by turning off the hardware mouse. Oh, I never got APM to work right with the PCMCIA slots. If I enabled APM, my PCMCIA cards would be inaccessible after a suspend/resume. If I disabled it, they would work fine (although they wouldn't power off during suspend). I feel like a question and answer booth... :-) -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 15:58:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19248 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05942; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:52:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05616; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05603; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp.humana.com (msn-2-7.binc.net [205.173.178.38]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA20539; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000401bdc561$9a74fe20$26b2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: , "Jerry Cudmore" Subject: Re: WIN98 770ED sound problem Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:52:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've observed this only very occasionally. I don't regard it as a problem and so haven't thought about it much. Once in a great while I've had the same behavior on my 760. It's as if the sound gets "stuck" or something, like it gets behind the rest of the system. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Cudmore To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:37 AM Subject: WIN98 770ED sound problem >I have clean install of win98 on a 770ed >Randomly when a wave file plays, I get repeated sound as if an IRQ conflict. >I have checked device manager and there is no conflict. >I used the new IBM cd and all the drivers should be the latest. > >Anyone else experience this? >Jerry Cudmore > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 16:34:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19748 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09197; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:32:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09067; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09044; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp13.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:32:23 PST From: "peter machule" To: "LightSide" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: ThinkPad HD's Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:31:58 -0000 Message-ID: <01bdc52c$6a03aaa0$095466cf@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >Hello again, > >Several things on the plate. > >1)I tried the ctrl-A (Got some extra options) but there is no ctrl-F to low level format the drive. I found (trial and >error) ctrl-k for what looks like a keyboard function test, and a ctrl-E (some type of error list but nothing listed). >The loopback test was nasty in that I couldn't get out of it (I guess hence LOOPback (again and again)). >Is there a specific low-level formatting software for thinkpad's or can you use any software to low-level format >it?? You don't low level format an Eide/ATAPI HD ...frankly you can't , Nor do you want to.;-} The only program that I'm aware of the can...sort of is ...Spinrite Ver5.(?) and higher . I assume you want to Fdisk ? > > >2)Bought a new 2.1gb harddrive. But it came with bigger than 528 drive software. Now, are thinkpad's (with >latest BIOS) LBA enhanced or will I need to install this? I didn't notice any on the 1.4gb drive, so I don't think >it would need it. But I thought I'd check first. So you don't need it ..Nor do you want it. But the Pinouts may NOT be the same . The standard master/ slave thing changed around the 1Gig range . If the Thinkpad can't recognize your new HD check it's pinouts. Then get a bootable floppy with Fdisk on it. > >3)Is there a "hidden" features list somewhere for the ThinkPad 365XD? That ctrl-A trick wasn't listed >anywhere that I've looked. I don't even think it was in the users manual in the .PDF that I printed out. It's in the so called service manual AKA Harware Maintaince Manual. This might be in ver 4 wich was/is available as a .PDF . > >4)Anyone know if the AC adapter for TP365XD gets more stress put on it if it goes through a power protector? >I have to use this laptop for school and in case I run dead on my batteries (4 batteries, one in and 3 backup, I >hope not), I might have touse the "unshielded" power plugs. What do you mean by unshielded.? The "standard" adaptable switching supplies ie 120VAC to x.x volt DC work on almost anything. The real good ones work from <100V to >240 volts. Most have 2 ranges 100V-140V and 190V-250V. I don't understand your worry . ..peter.. ET > >All hints, tips, tricks and doughnuts will be appreciated. :) > >Robert > > >Robert Mears >Certified Key and Button Pusher >robertm@az.com >OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 17:35:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20815 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12965; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:32:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12835; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12812; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.135.145]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980811213156.LLML29646@760> for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:31:56 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad HD's 365ED Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:30:25 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980811213156.LLML29646@760> Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Anyone know what upgrade drives the 365ED can take? Can it take a Toshiba 1.0 gig, or an IBM 2.1gig? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 17:59:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21261 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14135; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:57:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14049; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14036; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-057-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.137]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14892 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:57:41 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35D21DE3.8DC5630A@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:57:39 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Reply-To: kglp@cia-g.com Organization: Gallup Public Radio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770ed and new WIN98 CD References: <199808110112.VAA03287@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It is better than it was... I still have a letter in my file from IBM announcing they could not supply me with a duplicate disk with Windows 95 on it because of the licensing agreement... I had to send it back to their repair station to have the disk re-imaged... at $224.00 plus box... Our organization had to drop IBM as a supplier after than... Remember there was once quite a war between IBM and Microsoft after the OS/2 - Windows agreement fell apart. > Some where in the documentation on my 560 there was statement that said > this was requirement of the Microsoft license agreement. The problem > appears to be that Gates wants to make sure that you buy Windows over and > over and over and never get to put in on a new machine. > > _____________ > letoured@sover.net > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 18:09:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21463 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14891; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:07:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14738; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14726; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-057-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.137]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15153 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:07:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35D2203D.2AE7BDE8@cia-g.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:07:42 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Reply-To: kglp@cia-g.com Organization: Gallup Public Radio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 385, 560, 600 &770 when? References: <199808102314.TAA29761@pike.sover.net> <35d02854.560791@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I subscribe to a Government news service from IBM which this morning had a brief paragraph about a new model of TP600 and a url... I didn't read it and erased it before I saw this posting... this news service comes out weekly to executives who have purchasing authority to advise them of products being removed and new products added... Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:45:31 -0400, wrote: > |Does anyone have an idea of when these things will be available? And how > |long after a price reduction by Intel does it normally take to see it on > |the retail end? > > Traditionally, IBM has always released it's new models in May and > October. > epbrown > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for > the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 11 22:07:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25019 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23799; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:05:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23615; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23602; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p57-m19-wn4.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p57-m19-wn4.dialup.xtra.co.nz [203.96.101.185]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id la291159 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bdc596$2ca94920$b96560cb@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: ThinkPad HD's Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:08:43 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >The loopback test was nasty in that I couldn't get out of it (I guess hence LOOPback (again and again)). You need to press [CTRL] + [BREAK] together repeatedly until it beeps, then it will stop. >3)Is there a "hidden" features list somewhere for the ThinkPad 365XD? That ctrl-A trick wasn't listed >anywhere that I've looked. I don't even think it was in the users manual in the .PDF that I printed out. They can all be found in the Hardware Maintenace Manuals. I found this in .pdf format somewhere on the ibm web site. Later, Andreas!! ;-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 00:19:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26778 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27741; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:16:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27589; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (dseaman@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27576; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dseaman@localhost) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00577 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:15:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek L. Seaman" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600 hibernation probs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My TP 600 PII 233 96MB RAM (which I'm madly in love with) does not deal with hibernation that well. I've gotten all the latest BIOS and software updates. I have hibernation linked to the power switch. When I turn the machine back on the memory image loads, the screan blanks (with a flashing underscore), and then either: the system hangs for a couple of minutes and reboots, or I get a fatal exception error when windows tries to reload. Sometimes hibernation works, but most of the time it does not. Any suggstions? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 00:20:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA26794 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27872; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27778; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (dseaman@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27766; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (dseaman@localhost) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA00643 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:18:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek L. Seaman" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP770 win 95 hangs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu During the shutdown of my TP 700 P233 with windows 95 it never turns off. It always hangs at "please wait while windows shutsdown". I've waited for several minutes and nothing happens. If I cycle the power windows complains upon restart that it wasn't shutdown properly. I've updated to the latest BIOS. Any ideas? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 00:47:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27133 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29069; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:45:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28976; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28963; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA04109; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:45:34 -1000 Message-ID: <001201bdc5ac$3004a720$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Derek L. Seaman" , Subject: Re: TP770 win 95 hangs Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:46:31 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >During the shutdown of my TP 700 P233 with windows 95 it never turns off. >It always hangs at "please wait while windows shutsdown". I've waited for >several minutes and nothing happens. This means that W95 hasn't resolved all its threads, and is a well-known W95 quirk which can have many causes, most of which are not ThinkPad-specific. (On one of my systems, this started when I upgraded Dial Up Networking to 1.2; when I downgraded, it went away.) You'll find myriad different possible solutions on the W95 newsgroups, the MS online knowledge base, and W95 'help' websites (such as http://www.windows-help.net/ ). PS - sometimes hitting the tab or return key while in the 'wait' screen will wake up the machine and prod it to shut down the rest of the way - this worked on my TP560 during the week or so it was exhibiting the 'won't shut down' behavior. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 00:50:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27169 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29326; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29208; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29196; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA68710; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:32:17 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d03lms02.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.80.12]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA27006; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:37:04 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D03AU006 id 5030200034448179; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:54:03 -0400 From: Drew Gazey To: Cc: Subject: Re: TP770 win 95 hangs Message-ID: <5030200034448179000002L092*@MHS> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:54:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You might want to see the following MS Knowledge base article: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q178/9/41.asp summary: - install IE4 SP1. Drew. #include Please respond to dseaman@nosc.mil To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: TP770 win 95 hangs During the shutdown of my TP 700 P233 with windows 95 it never turns of= f. It always hangs at "please wait while windows shutsdown". I've waited f= or several minutes and nothing happens. If I cycle the power windows complains upon restart that it wasn't shutdown properly. I've updated to the latest BIOS. Any ideas? = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 00:55:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27282 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29658; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:53:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29543; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29531; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA04202; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:53:05 -1000 Message-ID: <001e01bdc5ad$3b109b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:54:03 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hi, Now that full Solaris is free to academics like me, I'm thinking of putting it on my TP560 (for example to facilitate interaction with my office Sparc). However, I want to keep W95 too. I know a couple of people on this list are running Solaris; is it possible to dual-boot these systems? If so, can they share each other's files etc.? Also, how well does Solaris use the Thinkpad hardware (esp. pcmcia slots and sound)? Thanks, David Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 01:06:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27429 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00339; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:05:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00213; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00199; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cia-g.com (gup-059-dpm2.cia-g.com [207.66.82.139]) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25822 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:05:13 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <35D28219.D255FD57@cia-g.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:05:13 -0600 From: Ray Bayles Reply-To: kglp@cia-g.com Organization: Gallup Public Radio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Solaris Free for Academics References: <001e01bdc5ad$3b109b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu So I am an academic... how do I go about getting Solaris . From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 01:26:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA27736 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00917; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:23:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00805; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00792; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA04328; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:23:28 -1000 Message-ID: <003101bdc5b1$7c10c900$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: Solaris Free for Academics Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:24:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >So I am an academic... how do I go about getting Solaris There's a nice story on this on the Aug. 10 www.newsbytes.com, but I think only subscribers can read it, and I don't want to post the whole story for fear of copyright crucifixion. However, here's a quote of the most relevant bit (fair use:-): " Non-commercial developers can order their copy of the Solaris OS at http://www.sun.com/developers . Students, educators, and researchers can place their orders at the following Web site: http://www.sun.com/edu/solaris . " - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 01:55:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28027 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01623; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01538; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01525; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d765 (t4600c-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.51]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA01591; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:53:06 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199808120553.WAA01591@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:53:03 +0000 To: "David Ross" From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001e01bdc5ad$3b109b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 06:54 PM 8/11/98 -1000, you wrote: >Hi, > >Now that full Solaris is free to academics like me, I'm thinking of putting it on my TP560 (for example to facilitate interaction >with my office Sparc). However, I want to keep W95 too. I know a couple of people on this list are running Solaris; is it possible >to dual-boot these systems? If so, can they share each other's files etc.? Also, how well does Solaris use the Thinkpad hardware >(esp. pcmcia slots and sound)? > >Thanks, >David Ross >ross@math.hawaii.edu > Not exactly what you asked as I have a 765D on which I run NT 4 (SP-3). I just got a 5GB disk and loaded PC-DOS into a 250 MB partition, NT into a 1750 MB NTFS partition, and Solaris x86 2.5 onto the rest of the drive. Both NT and x86 can read and write the DOS (FAT) partition. The x86 install confused NT but I fixed the boot.ini file and now I can boot either one (or DOS via the NT boot loader). I think (but don't know as I don't have 95) that x86 v 2.6 can deal with 95 but I'm not sure. 95 cannot deal with the UFS file system solaris uses and neither can NT. x86 can't deal with NTFS. x86 has very limited support for new notebook hardware but my 765D works OK and I can use pcmcia. Sound and modem via the Mwave is completely unsupported. PCMCIA ethernet is limited to ONLY the 3Com 3C589 currently. Don't even ask about anything else. In 2.7 the broken support for the 3C562/3 (10 Mbit ethernet/33.6 K PCMCIA combo) is supposed to be fixed (I have a support contract so I can ask questions/ report bugs/make myself a nuisance). I have a USR PCMCIA Courier V.everything and a TDK global class (28.8 flashed to 33.6) and both work under x86. Getting the bundled PPP working with x86 is a nightmare but can be done. If someone has the server set of CDs, borrow the one with Solstice PPP 3.0.1 and install that (you don't need a license as a dial-in client) - it is MUCH easier (but the ppptool gui start/stop tool has bugs with routing so use pppconn and pppdisc). Display chips are quite limited - the trident in the 7xx series is supported (at least up through the 765) but Sun does NOT support the neomagic chip - you have to but a commercial x server or make xfree (or whatever it is called ) work. The x server on my 765D does 1024x768 but only 8-bit on the XGA panel. I have heard that x86 does not run correctly on the new 770E/ED but I don't know about the 560. Hopefully someone else on the list can comment. Solaris is big (about 600 MB for a full install + swap + applications). The Sun Workshop compiler suite takes another 550 MB or so! You can get by with about 600 MB with a small install but if you want to run compilers, etc you probably want about 2 GB or more for x86. The compiler is NOT included with solaris - you either buy it from Sun or use gcc. EDU price for the Workshop compilers (c,c++,fortran,debugger, ...) was a bit less than $400. Hope this helps a bit. I might be able to answer some specific questions but I'm sort of a novice x86 user. We are trying to port some SPARC home brew applications to x86 so we can take them into the field on notebooks... Stuart Stuart F. Biggar Optical Sciences Center, University of Arizona PO Box 210094, Tucson AZ 85721-0094 Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 01:57:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28050 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01807; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:55:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01714; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01702; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA03102; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D12F2D.430E54D@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:59:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad HD's 365ED References: <19980811213156.LLML29646@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bruce.. i sold a few 2.1gig drives to 365 owners and they all seem pleased, so i guess it will take at least the 2.1gig.. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Anyone know what upgrade drives the 365ED can take? Can it take a Toshiba > 1.0 gig, or an IBM 2.1gig? > Thanks! -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 02:07:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28373 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02450; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:05:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02287; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02275; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA04871; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D13176.8B9C2F0@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:08:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kglp@cia-g.com CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Solaris Free for Academics References: <001e01bdc5ad$3b109b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> <35D28219.D255FD57@cia-g.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My local ISP just changed FROM solaris to Red Hat Linux.. FWIW.. :-) Ray Bayles wrote: > So I am an academic... how do I go about getting Solaris > > . -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 02:31:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28730 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03227; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:29:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03060; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03048; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p22.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.91]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA05318; Tue, 11 Aug 1998 23:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808120627.XAA05318@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bill Morrow" Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 23:28:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Solaris Free for Academics Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:08:55 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >My local ISP just changed FROM solaris to Red Hat Linux.. >FWIW.. :-) Well, you can't get multiple virtual terminals in Solaris unless you use OpenWindows (X). Someone once told me it's called Slowaris and Broken Windows, FWTW. I wouldn't mind a free SPARC edition, though. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 02:52:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28940 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03913; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03797; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03777; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA25485; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D13BF1.1B094EB4@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 02:53:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: ThinkPad HD's References: <199808110742.AAA24938@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu 1. You can get to the low level format (though i don't know why you would WANT to) by using ctrl-a, then clicking on the empty area to the left of the two icons that appear on the top right side of the display.. (this is from memory AND this is on a 701) 2. AC adapters will run fine (at least mitac and IBM) on a modified sine wave (read little square steps).. i know this because i ran several (and my refrigerator, various lamps and desktop computers, etc.) from a big inverter/charger on my boat when cruising and not wanting to run the big (20KVA) gen set.. LightSide wrote: > Hello again, > > Several things on the plate. > > 1)I tried the ctrl-A (Got some extra options) but there is no ctrl-F to low level format the drive. I found (trial and > error) ctrl-k for what looks like a keyboard function test, and a ctrl-E (some type of error list but nothing listed). > The loopback test was nasty in that I couldn't get out of it (I guess hence LOOPback (again and again)). > Is there a specific low-level formatting software for thinkpad's or can you use any software to low-level format > it?? > > 2)Bought a new 2.1gb harddrive. But it came with bigger than 528 drive software. Now, are thinkpad's (with > latest BIOS) LBA enhanced or will I need to install this? I didn't notice any on the 1.4gb drive, so I don't think > it would need it. But I thought I'd check first. > > 3)Is there a "hidden" features list somewhere for the ThinkPad 365XD? That ctrl-A trick wasn't listed > anywhere that I've looked. I don't even think it was in the users manual in the .PDF that I printed out. > > 4)Anyone know if the AC adapter for TP365XD gets more stress put on it if it goes through a power protector? > I have to use this laptop for school and in case I run dead on my batteries (4 batteries, one in and 3 backup, I > hope not), I might have to use the "unshielded" power plugs. > > All hints, tips, tricks and doughnuts will be appreciated. :) > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 03:13:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA29198 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05335; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:11:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05258; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05246; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA07661; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D140E3.D2D6A94@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:14:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sobat Lama CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Logo Screen References: <01bdc44d$a7dac460$428587ca@wierd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I know of no way to modify the TP logo, BUT, if you do it, please let us in on how.. :-) Sobat Lama wrote: > Dear List! > > I was interest to update ROM BIOS on my thinkpad760XD. > > Is there any change for us to customize 'ThinkPad' logo in the > bottom left screen when we start up our notebook. > > It will COOL to see our own design. > > Any suggestion?, thank you > > Regards, > > Sobat Lama -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 03:21:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA29284 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06113; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:19:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05990; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05968; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA08557; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D142D1.807FAC4@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:22:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Emanuel Brown CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701c to 95 upgrade help References: <001301bdc3c3$6f687e40$99c4efd1@elvis> <35CE25A2.69C08956@icanect.net> <35d13a0a.83183862@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Emanuel.. I will only continue to defend my statement this last time.. :-) it is based upon a statement by an IBM'er acquaintance who was on the design team at RTP.. we all know that the 701 was introduced before the TIMELY intro of win95 in august... the fact that the 701 showed up with win 3.11 and OS/2 is no reason not to believe the bios was not intended to support win95.. i have no reason to doubt my informant.. and i'm quite sure that you realize that betas of win95 were all over the place well before the official intro.. i even had one in may 1995... if you have witness to the contrary, let them come forth and comment.. Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:41:38 -0400, Bill wrote: > |you don't need anything from IBM's web site.. the 701 was designed for win95.. > > I tried and tried to let this pass, and darn it, I couldn't! > The IBM 701 was released in May 1995, months before Windows 95, and > released with Windows 3.11 on it. Anyone who actually made the > transition to 95 when it came out (as I did) can assure you that it > wasn't exactly all jam at the time. People have trouble loading the OS > onto 701s to this day, despite the BIOS updates and help files. IBM no > more designed the 701 for Windows 95 than they built my 560 for > Windows 98. If IBM had that sort of foresight, they'd have designed in > the ability to use Pentium chips and with an 800x600 display, both of > which were released months after the 701 and what led to it's early > demise as a model line. > epbrown > Stop by the Portable Computing Center for > the comp.sys.laptops FAQ. > http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 03:26:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA29377 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06510; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:25:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06377; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06364; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-82.az.com (seawesta-82.az.com [204.201.18.82]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA28040 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808120721.AAA28040@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 00:39:44 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Low Level Formatting Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello again, Thank you to everyone who replied. My reasoning for wanting low level formatting is because the old 1.4gb harddrive won't boot. It will store data and read it. But just won't boot. So it was suggested to wipe the boot sector, to low level format it. I have the 2.1gb now (although I have to send it back. They sent me the wrong drive. I needed the 2103 not the 2104 model drive. Difference is the 2103 has the mounting holes in the center (where I need them), and the other is at each end. ARGH! ) Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 03:53:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA29625 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07584; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:51:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07452; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07439; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA11363; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D14A3D.E3EFEF1E@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:54:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Justin Liu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, egiles@netpathway.com Subject: Re: 701c for sale at Surplus Direct References: <199808102202.PAA14619@exp9> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Justin.. when the 701 was a current machine, several users suggested a trip to office depot (or the like) and the purchase of some brand name "day timer" which, when the rings were surgically removed, made a fine case for the 701.. just the 701 and not the accessories.. i never tried this myself.. put this in the FWIW file.. :-) Justin Liu wrote: > I placed an order with them because I've been wanting to get my hands on > one of these machines for a while. I know this has been covered before, > but can someone point me to places where I can get accessories for > this machine, mainly an extra battery. Also, did IBM/Port ever make > a custom case for this unit? Is one available? If not, can someone > recommend a good case? I'd prefer one that is just a slim portfolio > that I can slip into a larger bag. > > I'm also thinking about putting Debian 2.0 on it and I was wondering > if anyone else has done this and if there are any things to look out > for. > > Thanks, > > - justin > > > > I'm not affiliated with them, I just thought some one the list may be > > interested in this offer that is available again. > > > > Surplus Direct's weekly specials has the 701c 2630-7TU (75MHz, 16MB RAM, > > 720MB HD, TFT) for $399. Here is the link to the site: > > > > http://www.surplusdirect.com/Specials/NB6723.asp?UID=DF01395763308981 > > > > They are factory refurbs with a 30 day Surplus Direct warranty, but it > > is a pretty good deal. > > > > Sorry if this offends anyone on the list- > > > > Eric Giles > > -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 04:00:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA29732 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07901; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:58:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07782; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07769; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (152.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.152]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id DAA12044; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D14BE7.F23E2895@icanect.net> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:01:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: thinkpads.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: Low Level Formatting References: <199808120721.AAA28040@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Keep the newer drive and drill the holes.. i'll bet it is faster.. :-) have you tried a reformat thus: "format c:/s" to clean it up and make the drive bootable..?? LightSide wrote: > Hello again, > Thank you to everyone who replied. > > My reasoning for wanting low level formatting is because the old 1.4gb harddrive won't boot. It will store data > and read it. But just won't boot. So it was suggested to wipe the boot sector, to low level format it. I have the > 2.1gb now (although I have to send it back. They sent me the wrong drive. I needed the 2103 not the 2104 > model drive. Difference is the 2103 has the mounting holes in the center (where I need them), and the other is > at each end. ARGH! ) > > Robert > > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** WEB PAGE: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@nospam@thinkpads.com, morrow1@nospam@compuserve.com 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(2), 750C, IBM WorkPad Windoze but i gotta try OS2 connect and this Red Hat unix clone From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 06:38:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01423 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA16069; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:36:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15974; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA15962; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 06:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-82.az.com (seawesta-82.az.com [204.201.18.82]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA11297 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808121032.DAA11297@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 03:50:44 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Low Level Formatting Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:01:43 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Keep the newer drive and drill the holes.. >i'll bet it is faster.. :-) > >have you tried a reformat thus: "format c:/s" to clean it up and make the drive bootable..?? > Yup. Plus tried installing Win 95 and OS/2 on seperate times and still won't boot. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 07:05:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01714 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16759; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:03:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16680; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16668; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 07:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:27 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:03:27 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New TP 600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu For information about the new TP600 go to http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/ then IBMLINK, then announcements (the URL is awfully long ...) It's the Hardware Announcement August 11, 1998 Announcement Letter Number: 198-179 Basically, it's a TP600 with the 12.1 in TFT screen, a PII 233 and CD-ROM. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 09:33:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03521 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22446; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22300; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22266; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:30:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07981; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA17658; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 8525665E.004A99AC ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:34:50 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: "David Ross" cc: "Thinkpad" Message-ID: <8525665E.004A9770.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:28:10 -0400 Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu You can easily dual boot these two. The key is to let the Solaris boot manager do it's thing. Install Win95 then Solaris. Let the Solaris boot manager have it's way and you'll be all set.... -Bill "David Ross" on 08/12/98 12:54:03 AM To: "Thinkpad" cc: Subject: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Hi, Now that full Solaris is free to academics like me, I'm thinking of putting it on my TP560 (for example to facilitate interaction with my office Sparc). However, I want to keep W95 too. I know a couple of people on this list are running Solaris; is it possible to dual-boot these systems? If so, can they share each other's files etc.? Also, how well does Solaris use the Thinkpad hardware (esp. pcmcia slots and sound)? Thanks, David Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 09:40:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA03618 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22953; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22853; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22818; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA10926; Wed, 12 Aug 98 09:38:15 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35D19AC6.E721090D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:38:14 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? References: <001e01bdc5ad$3b109b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have heard that SunSoft is no longer supporting laptops, meaning that they won't be writing drivers as new laptops come out. Has anyone else heard this? Personally, I find Linux a lot more laptop friendly even though I use Solaris 2.6 on desktop Intel machines. --Lee From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 10:03:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03940 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24391; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24259; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24232; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA17856 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:01:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43); 12 Aug 98 16:01:53 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.43); 12 Aug 98 16:01:52 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.154) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 12 Aug 98 16:01:49 +0200 Received: from localhost (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00641 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:52 +0200 Message-Id: <199808121121.NAA00641@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:50 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Shutdown OS/2 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello! Is there a possibility to switch off a TP immeditatly after a sucessfull shutdown of OS/2? (Like in Dos95.) -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 10:36:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04426 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26095; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:34:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25978; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25954; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa03501; 12 Aug 98 8:32 MDT Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:32:21 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: David Ross cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <001e01bdc5ad$3b109b00$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 18:54:03 -1000 > From: David Ross > > Now that full Solaris is free to academics like me Woah, *that* woke me up. Where does one get more info about this deal? Saludos-- Larry Larry Miller Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 11:23:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA05050 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29285; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:21:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29170; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29143; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA25409 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA06446 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Thinkpad Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <8525665E.004A9770.00@mta2.lotus.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu The press release is at: http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9808/sunflash.980810.2.html It's free to non-commercial users, not just academics. On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 Bill_Abt/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com wrote: > You can easily dual boot these two. The key is to let the Solaris boot > manager do it's thing. Install Win95 then Solaris. Let the Solaris boot > manager have it's way and you'll be all set.... That's a good rule of thumb. In my experience, Microsoft OSes universally assume you'd never want to run anything but a Microsoft OS and overwrite any booting schemes you have installed. Most other OSes make a half- or full-hearted attempt to identify other OSes before establishing a boot procedure. So you're usually safe installing the MS OS first, then giving the other OS a chance to undo the damage so to speak. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 12:21:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA05832 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02649; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02504; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com ([208.14.17.29]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02479; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:18:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <199808121618.MAA02479@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by wjbs0003xch.fl.wellspringres.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:16:10 -0400 To: ross@math.hawaii.edu, ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:01:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Yup! Read about this a few months ago but don't remember where. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Author: I Lee Hetherington [SMTP:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] at Jax-Exchange Date: 8/12/98 9:38 AM I have heard that SunSoft is no longer supporting laptops, meaning that they won't be writing drivers as new laptops come out. Has anyone else heard this? 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From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 12:33:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06058 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03585; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03469; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03363; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16491 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:29:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecottrell@Doble.com) Received: from ntmail.tiac.net (ntmail.doble.com [204.215.186.11]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA02846 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ntmail.tiac.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52) id <01BDC5E7.98926490@ntmail.tiac.net>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:51:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" , "'LightSide'" Subject: RE: Low Level Formatting Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:51:49 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.995.52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello, The other thing you can try is to make the drive the master on the primary ide. then boot from a floppy with fdisk on it and do: fdisk /mbr This restores the master boot record. The master boot record is read in first, and executed. This reads the partition table, finds the active partition and loads the boot from the partition and executes it. I would also check with fdisk that one of the bootable partitions are marked as active and maybe do a sys C:/ on the dos/win partition to make sure the boot stuff is in the partition. If you are running boot manager that should be made the active partition. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com >---------- >From: LightSide[SMTP:robertm@az.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 4:39 AM >To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU >Subject: Low Level Formatting > >Hello again, >Thank you to everyone who replied. > >My reasoning for wanting low level formatting is because the old 1.4gb >harddrive won't boot. It will store data >and read it. But just won't boot. So it was suggested to wipe the boot >sector, to low level format it. I have the >2.1gb now (although I have to send it back. They sent me the wrong drive. I >needed the 2103 not the 2104 >model drive. Difference is the 2103 has the mounting holes in the center >(where I need them), and the other is >at each end. ARGH! ) > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 12:38:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA06105 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03998; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03901; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03836; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15331 invoked by uid 66); 12 Aug 1998 16:35:47 -0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 12:49 CEST From: hm@seneca.muc.de (Harald Milz) Subject: Re: Solaris Free for Academics To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Organization: Linux.DE X-Pgp-signed: Id=0x7ADC4839; access-type=Finger; Address=hm@muc.de; X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Bill Morrow (penzance@icanect.net) wrote: > My local ISP just changed FROM solaris to Red Hat Linux.. > FWIW.. :-) They supposedly don't run a Lotus Notes client on their machines, do they? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 13:30:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA06897 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07599; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:27:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07466; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cello.Opus1.COM (Cello.Opus1.COM [192.245.12.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07454; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Opus1.COM by Opus1.COM (PMDF V5.2-27 #9830) id <01J0IFLGRCXS99DI7Y@Opus1.COM> for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:26:56 MST Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:22:20 -0700 (MST) From: billy@MIX.COM Subject: Re: battery charge In-reply-to: "Message dated Mon, 10 Aug 1998 05:48:14 -0700" <35CEEC0E.374E@oscars.org> Sender: Billy@MIX.COM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01J0IH18EW1G99DI7Y@Opus1.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Take a look at www.xmpi.com/html/pwrxtend.html - I have one of these, it's nicely made and works great. All you have to do is find a flight with a place to plug in (ask your travel agent) - this is getting better but still has a way to go to become easily available though. Billy Y.. > I have a 385XD that I'm planning to take on a long, long plane ride and > I am wondering what's the best way to configure the thing to get best > 'hang' time with the battery. I don't relish writing in longhand > anymore and I can't afford a spare battery. Do airlines let you > recharge anywhere on the plane? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 14:22:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07691 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10362; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10258; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10245; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA06632; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:20:27 -1000 Message-ID: <004d01bdc61e$04bc26c0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: Subject: Re: Solaris Free for Academics Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:21:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Just to amplify on my original post, the reason I'd like Solaris on my TP is not my great love for Solaris; however, my departmental network is Solaris-based, and it would make some aspects of my current laptop-workstation interface more seamless. W/r to Solaris running on laptops - now that someone mentioned it, I recall seeing this article too, in fact it is not impossible that I'm the one who first posted it here:-) Sun has a program which can be run on one's PC to test for compatibility: http://access1.sun.com:80/drivers/hcl From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 14:25:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07726 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10653; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:23:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10530; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.als.edu (mail.als.edu [207.127.52.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10490; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alsmain-Message_Server by mail.als.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:17:22 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:21:07 -0500 From: Nancy Ota To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 - two questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I have a TP701C w/40mb and W95: 1) Has anyone successfully installed an IOmega Zip PLUS drive on a TP701? I bought the zip drive at Onsale.com and found out that you must connect the drive directly to a parallel port (no dongle?, adapter, or intervening cable). The software cannot find the drive when connected to the parallel port on my multiport or the port on the left side of the TP. Both ports are setup as EPP. 2) Why doesn't my pcmcia modem work when I have the multiport docked? Thanks, Nancy reply to: nota@mail.als.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 14:45:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08035 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11839; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:41:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11677; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11665; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id OAA27946 for <@mak.mak.com:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id OAA02477 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:36:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701 - two questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Nancy Ota wrote: > > 1) Has anyone successfully installed an IOmega Zip PLUS drive on a > TP701? I bought the zip drive at Onsale.com and found out that you must > connect the drive directly to a parallel port (no dongle?, adapter, or > intervening cable). The software cannot find the drive when connected > to the parallel port on my multiport or the port on the left side of the TP. > Both ports are setup as EPP. My guess would be to check for interrupt conflicts. The standard IRQ 7 which is assigned to Parallel Port 1 on most systems is also the default for the Sound Blaster (or in the 701's case, SB emulation). > 2) Why doesn't my pcmcia modem work when I have the multiport > docked? Again, probably an IRQ conflict. The 701 with multiport has more ports than it has IRQs. You will have to either disable some (serial/parallel/ir/modem) ports, or you will have to double up some interrupts for devices which don't really care (some serial and parallel port uses don't care). Since you have a PCMCIA modem, the built-in internal modem sounds like a good candidate to disable. :-) All the IRQ settings can be accessed via the Fn-F1 BIOS setup on the 701. Not all interrupts are available to all ports, so you will probably have to play around with it for an hour or two to get it "just right." Also, there are different configurations for undocked, multiport docked, and full-featured docked. Changing the settings on one does not change the settings on another so you effectively have to configure everything twice. Some devices may not work with the new interrupt until you reboot. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 15:51:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09209 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16402; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:48:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16178; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hitel.net (ns.hitel.net [204.252.145.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15930; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tinititw.hitel.net ([210.114.3.237] (may be forged)) by mail.hitel.net (8.8.6H1/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA04634; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:45:05 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <001401bdc62b$25af9800$ed0372d2@tinititw.hitel.net> From: "SeungJin Lee" To: "Nancy Ota" , Subject: Re: TP701 - two questions Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:54:52 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="euc-kr" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu PjIpIFdoeSBkb2Vzbid0IG15IHBjbWNpYSBtb2RlbSB3b3JrIHdoZW4gSSBoYXZlIHRoZSBtdWx0 aXBvcnQNCj5kb2NrZWQ/IA0KDQoNCmhpfg0KaSdtIHVzaW5nIDcwMWMgd2l0aCBXaW45NSBPU1Iy Lg0Kd2hlbiBpIGRvbid0IGhhdmUgbXVsdGlwb3J0LCBteSBwY21jaWEgbW9kZW0gaXMgZm91bmQg YXQgY29tMi4NCndoZW4gaSBoYXZlIG11bHRpcG9ydCwgbW9kZW0gaXMgZm91bmQgYXQgY29tMS4N Cg0KaG9wZSBoZWxwZnVsIHRvIHlvdS4NCg0KLVNldW5nSmluIExlZS0NCg0K From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 18:17:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11907 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23771; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23587; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acis.mc.yu.edu (acis.mc.yu.edu [129.98.201.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23573; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hosseino@localhost) by acis.mc.yu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA44124; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:13:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinof X-Sender: hosseino@acis.mc.yu.edu To: I Lee Hetherington cc: David Ross , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <35D19AC6.E721090D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: Organization: Yeshiva University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu It's basically true, and pretty unfortunate. Unofficially they will probably still be supporting the major Toshiba and Thinkpad models since that it what many of their developers use. We've got a lot of people at my company who have Solaris/NT or Solaris/W95 combinations on their laptops. We use mostly Thinkpad 380 series machines for that. Josh On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > I have heard that SunSoft is no longer supporting laptops, meaning that > they won't be writing drivers as new laptops come out. Has anyone else > heard this? > > Personally, I find Linux a lot more laptop friendly even though I use > Solaris 2.6 on desktop Intel machines. > > --Lee > > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 19:26:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13024 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28285; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28208; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (r47-90.adinet.com.uy [206.99.47.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28196; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (tc2-149.w3.com.uy [207.3.118.149]) by netgate.com.uy (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA29399 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:27:40 -0300 Message-Id: <199808122327.UAA29399@netgate.com.uy> X-Sender: hteszler@netgate.com.uy X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:25:26 -0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Harry Teszler Subject: How did you partition and why ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Hello everybody ! Could each one that owns a 770 ED tell me how (I mean sizes) did you partition the 8,1 Gb disk and why (having Windows 95 installed) ? I have to repartition my machine and would like to hear suggestions. It is because of the more than 2,1Gb that W95 does not recognize. Thanks to all in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. hteszler@netgate.com.uy harryt@redfacil.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 20:05:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13660 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01376; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:03:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01291; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01278; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-29.ricochet.net [204.254.18.29]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA13827 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:03:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808130003.TAA13827@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:03:34 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: ThinkPad 701C DOA? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu So my shiny new-used $400 bargain TP701C arrived from Egghead today, and it seems to be DOA. There's no special magic involved in turning one of these on, is there? If I plug in the AC adapter at least one of the LED's on the back ought to light up? I know the AC adapter is good--checked that. It's the same voltage as my TP600, so I switched them around. The 701C's adapter has a lower power rating, but I figured it wouldn't matter for a few seconds test. Sure enough, the TP600 runs fine on either adapter, the 701C on neither. Oh well, probably gotta get an RMA#, unless anyone has any tricks up their sleeve... BTW, belated thanks to everyone who replied about my IBM vs. Toshiba disk drive question last week. I meant to jump back into the discussion but got busy with a deadline. (It's much more fun to talk about ThinkPads than it is to actually work, but how else could I pay for these machines?) -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 20:19:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13889 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02105; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:18:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02022; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02010; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ericgile (port11-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.208]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA30228 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:18:44 -0500 Message-ID: <014701bdc650$6e8c1740$d08b89d0@ericgile> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:22:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >So my shiny new-used $400 bargain TP701C arrived from Egghead today, and it >seems to be DOA. There's no special magic involved in turning one of these >on, is there? If I plug in the AC adapter at least one of the LED's on the >back ought to light up? If the battery is fully charged, then no lights will come on when the AC adapter is plugged in. If it is not, then one green light will come on. The 701 power switch is a bit hard to use. You have to really push it all the way back and hold it for a second to make sure that the power is on. If that doesn't work, then check the memory module at the bottom of the unit. It may have come loose during shipment. >Oh well, probably gotta get an RMA#, unless anyone has any tricks up their >sleeve... These are all I can think of at the moment! HTH- Eric Giles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 20:24:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA13941 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02396; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:22:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02316; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02304; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-101-120-242.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-101-120-242.il.us.ibm.net [32.101.120.242]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA49738 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:22:15 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:23:23 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-ID: <35d53118.4159353@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <199808130003.TAA13827@rgate.ricochet.net> In-Reply-To: <199808130003.TAA13827@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:03:34 -0700, Michael wrote: >So my shiny new-used $400 bargain TP701C arrived from Egghead today, and it >seems to be DOA. There's no special magic involved in turning one of these >on, is there? If I plug in the AC adapter at least one of the LED's on the >back ought to light up? > >I know the AC adapter is good--checked that. It's the same voltage as my >TP600, so I switched them around. The 701C's adapter has a lower power >rating, but I figured it wouldn't matter for a few seconds test. Sure >enough, the TP600 runs fine on either adapter, the 701C on neither. Did you make sure to hold the power switch in the on position for a while? Some of the 701C's had real tight power switches. Mine was very tight for a few months after I bought it brand new. FWIW, just pulled the 701C out of the closet and plugged it in. I don't see any LED activity until the power switch is on, unlike the 560 I'm using now. HTH -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 21:22:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA14820 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04114; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:21:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04038; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04025; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA25128; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:20:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Harry Teszler cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? In-Reply-To: <199808122327.UAA29399@netgate.com.uy> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Suggest you use System Commander, Partion Magic, or get a Windows 95b from somebody on this list 2 Gb for Windows 95 program software 1 Gb for Windows WFW 3.11 and Dos programs 1 Gb for Linux 1 Gb for files ... so this partition is easy to backup. Ray On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Harry Teszler wrote: > Could each one that owns a 770 ED tell me how (I mean sizes) did you > partition the 8,1 Gb disk and why (having Windows 95 installed) ? > I have to repartition my machine and would like to hear suggestions. > It is because of the more than 2,1Gb that W95 does not recognize. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 22:05:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15406 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05560; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:02:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05464; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.als.edu (mail.als.edu [207.127.52.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05452; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alsmain-Message_Server by mail.als.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:56:43 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:56:55 -0500 From: Nancy Ota To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701 - two questions -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu OK, solved the pcmcia modem problem. Thanks. As for the zipplus, I believe that I fixed all of the conflict problems. In fact, the parallel printer I have piggybacked onto the zip drive works without any problem...so apparently the port is working??? The zipplus uses an auto-detect cable which the manual cautions may not work properly if not using the cable on a direct connection (i.e., no cable converters, adapters or gender changers. Nancy Ota reply to: nota@mail.als.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 22:50:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA15938 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07124; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:47:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07013; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07001; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA14922; Wed, 12 Aug 98 22:47:29 EDT Message-Id: <35D25318.FDA9B73B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:44:41 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: off topic: windows98 and tab key Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I realize this is off topic, but somehow I got windows98 confused about the TAB key. Now TAB cycles windows and mouse focus. I want TAB to advance to different entry widgets within the same window again! Any ideas? --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 12 23:16:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA16438 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08097; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:14:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08006; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07994; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg-20425418-29.ricochet.net [204.254.18.29]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA01601; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 22:13:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808130313.WAA01601@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:14:08 -0700 To: rj From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <199808130003.TAA13827@rgate.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu At 07:20 PM 8/12/98 , rj wrote: >Firstly I gotta believe you actually tried to turn on the 701 but in case >you just looked for the status lights to come on you hit on one of the >oddities of the 701. The 701 will only charge when the machine is on, >wird but none-the-less true. So hook every thing up and slide the on/off >switch on the left side all the way back (another oddity here, that >being that you have to use some effort to slide it all the way to the >on point). Oh! So *that's* the trick. Yup, when I push the power switch really hard, the thing turns on and works fine. Learn something new every day. Thanks for the tip! -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 00:22:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA17207 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10286; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:21:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10157; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10145; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a38.pm3-28.theriver.com [206.102.195.38]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17374 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:20:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35D240E1.73C75145@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:26:57 -0400 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04b1 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: [Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5095199C5F32E80AA5A6BF62" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5095199C5F32E80AA5A6BF62 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Goofed the list address.... --------------5095199C5F32E80AA5A6BF62 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from localhost (localhost) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with internal id TAA27831; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:50:55 -0700 (MST) Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:50:55 -0700 (MST) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199808130250.TAA27831@pantano.theriver.com> To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="TAA27831.902976655/pantano.theriver.com" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --TAA27831.902976655/pantano.theriver.com The original message was received at Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:50:50 -0700 (MST) >from a19.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.211] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to cs.utk.edu.: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown --TAA27831.902976655/pantano.theriver.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; pantano.theriver.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; a19.pm3-31.theriver.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:50:50 -0700 (MST) Final-Recipient: RFC822; thinkpads@cs.utk.edu Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; cs.utk.edu Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 ... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:50:55 -0700 (MST) --TAA27831.902976655/pantano.theriver.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: os2support@theriver.com Received: from theriver.com (a19.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.211]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27819; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:50:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35D22BC6.49D36341@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:56:54 -0400 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04b1 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nancy Ota , Thinkpad Discussion Group Subject: Re: TP701 - two questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nancy Ota wrote: > > I have a TP701C w/40mb and W95: > > 1) Has anyone successfully installed an IOmega Zip PLUS drive on a > TP701? I bought the zip drive at Onsale.com and found out that you must > connect the drive directly to a parallel port (no dongle?, adapter, or > intervening cable). The software cannot find the drive when connected > to the parallel port on my multiport or the port on the left side of the TP. > Both ports are setup as EPP. Make sure that the settings for the Iomega software are correct. This software ASSUMES that LPT1 is 378h/IRQ7. IBM uses 3BCH/IRQ7. > > 2) Why doesn't my pcmcia modem work when I have the multiport > docked? Where is the modem? In the multiport or in the TP? If it is in the TP, it should continue to work, unless you set up the modem to use the same settings as one of the devices in the Multiport. James --TAA27831.902976655/pantano.theriver.com-- --------------5095199C5F32E80AA5A6BF62-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 04:16:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA20245 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17532; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:12:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17301; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17289; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA09711; Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:48:15 -1000 Message-ID: <001701bdc686$769908e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Michael Geary" Cc: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:49:03 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >Yup, when I push the power switch really hard, the thing turns on and works >fine. Learn something new every day. Lest you decide that this is a negative feature of the 701, when IBM came out with the 560 they 'corrected' this problem made the switch nice and easy to slide. That way every time you shift the machine for any reason you have to be very very careful not to touch the switch, as it will shut off with little persuasion. (I've lost files a couple of time to this on my 560.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 06:05:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA21368 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23629; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:02:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23500; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23487; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 06:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-190-214.il.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-190-214.il.us.ibm.net [32.100.190.214]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA137482 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:02:32 GMT From: mocek@ibm.net (Stan Mocek) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 05:03:40 -0500 Organization: IBM Global Networks Reply-To: mocek@ibm.net Message-ID: <35d5b954.607436@smtp1.ibm.net> References: <001701bdc686$769908e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <001701bdc686$769908e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:49:03 -1000, David wrote: >Lest you decide that this is a negative feature of the 701, when IBM came out with the 560 they 'corrected' this problem made the >switch nice and easy to slide. That way every time you shift the machine for any reason you have to be very very careful not to >touch the switch, as it will shut off with little persuasion. (I've lost files a couple of time to this on my 560.) I did the exact same thing the first few weeks I had my 560. I had a tendency to grab the sides of the machine when I was adjusting it's position on the desk. At least I don't feel so bad now. -- Stan Mocek mocek@ibm.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 08:42:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA22836 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26978; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:40:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26810; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26791; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.sbs.co.at (ns.sbs.co.at [195.75.3.18]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA33684; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:39:55 GMT Received: by www.sbs.co.at(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id C125665F.00456B97 ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:38:15 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBS@WEB From: "Bernd Meierhofer" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Harry Teszler Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:35:28 +0200 Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu By means of FAT32 (which is part of Win95B, Service Release 2.1) you can partition a disk that is greater than 2,1 Gb. The following partitions can be found on the hard disk of my 770ED 2,5 Gb for Windows NT 4.0 program software 0,5 Gb for OS/2 Warp 4.0 program software 4,5 Gb HPFS partition shared from OS/2 and NT (using pinball.sys) Bernd Harry Teszler on 08/13/98 01:25:26 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Bernd Meierhofer/SBS/AT) Subject: How did you partition and why ? Hello everybody ! Could each one that owns a 770 ED tell me how (I mean sizes) did you partition the 8,1 Gb disk and why (having Windows 95 installed) ? I have to repartition my machine and would like to hear suggestions. It is because of the more than 2,1Gb that W95 does not recognize. Thanks to all in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. hteszler@netgate.com.uy harryt@redfacil.com.uy ICQ# 10971865 Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 +598 2 2003996 Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 09:54:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA23712 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29718; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:50:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29517; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29502; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA16522; Thu, 13 Aug 98 09:50:10 EDT Message-Id: <35D2EF0D.6214E25F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:50:05 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Bernd Meierhofer Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Harry Teszler Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Correct me if I'm wrong, but NT4 can't read FAT32 and Win98 can't read NTFS. Right now I'm using Win98 and NT4, so I'm stuck with the greatest common denominator of FAT16. It amazes me that Microsoft hasn't released a patch to NT4 to talk FAT32 and that Win98 can't talk NTFS. I'd be happy with either! I'm a very happy user of Partition Magic, allowing you to dynamically resize, move around, and convert types on-the-fly without clobbering the contents. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 10:32:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24263 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01711; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01389; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01377; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA09640 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA21456 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:50 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? In-Reply-To: <001701bdc686$769908e0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, David Ross wrote: > >Yup, when I push the power switch really hard, the thing turns on and works > >fine. Learn something new every day. > > Lest you decide that this is a negative feature of the 701, > when IBM came out with the 560 they 'corrected' this problem > made the switch nice and easy to slide. That way every time > you shift the machine for any reason you have to be very very > careful not to touch the switch, as it will shut off with > little persuasion. (I've lost files a couple of time to this > on my 560.) Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. The on/off switch on the 750 was easy to slide too, and lots of users complained about accidently turning their machine off when they picked it up to move it. The switch on the 701 was made very tough activate because of this. I guess they got too many complaints about the switch being too hard and went back on the 560. :-) I still don't see why they just don't recess it and put a cover over it. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 10:56:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24596 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02641; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02454; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (root@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02442; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA25958; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Bernd Meierhofer" Cc: , "Harry Teszler" Subject: RE: How did you partition and why ? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:53:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bdc6ca$2d36a010$33be3180@seaman.spawar.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <35D2EF0D.6214E25F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > Correct me if I'm wrong, but NT4 can't read FAT32 and Win98 can't read > NTFS. > > Right now I'm using Win98 and NT4, so I'm stuck with the greatest common > denominator of FAT16. It amazes me that Microsoft hasn't released a > patch to NT4 to talk FAT32 and that Win98 can't talk NTFS. I'd be happy > with either! NT with a patch CAN read FAT32. See www.ntinternals.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 11:03:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA24715 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03168; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:00:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03007; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02985; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg131-091.ricochet.net [204.179.131.91]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA28444; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005801bdc6cb$2ad2a2f0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:00:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >I still don't see why they just don't recess it and put a cover >over it. > >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com I recently moved up to a TP600 from an AcerNote Nuovo. Controversially the Acer hasn't got an on/off switch. You simply open or close the machine. This worked fine for me. One thing is for sure. There will never be a standard. The fine art of power switch hiding is with us for a long time. Personally I think it is an alien conspiracy.... David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 11:33:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25215 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04628; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:28:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04485; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04467; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:28:24 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:28:24 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Offtopic: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? In-Reply-To: <005801bdc6cb$2ad2a2f0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > The fine art of > power switch hiding is with us for a long time. Personally I think it is an > alien conspiracy.... Absolutely. Sun was extremely good at this. They produced CRTs where it took at least five minutes to find the switch. But it seems to me that there is a decline ... Christoph Eyrich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 11:51:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25480 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05782; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:49:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05634; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05618; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 11:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA13775; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:49:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:49:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: I Lee Hetherington cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? In-Reply-To: <35D2EF0D.6214E25F@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Not so. Check your Microsoft downloads. We have FAT32 on all our NT machines. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but NT4 can't read FAT32 and Win98 can't read > NTFS. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 12:34:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26259 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08076; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07867; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07839; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA12277 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id MAA22300 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:33 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:29:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? In-Reply-To: <005801bdc6cb$2ad2a2f0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > > I recently moved up to a TP600 from an AcerNote Nuovo. Controversially the > Acer hasn't got an on/off switch. You simply open or close the machine. I guess that means you can't dock it? I actually have to leave my 701 open a bit when it's acting as my remote Unix host, or else the auto-power-save mode kicks in and insists on spinning down the hard drive whenever it's not in use. The APM BIOS functions (including spinning down the hard drive) seem to bypass any multitasking the machine is doing, meaning my telnet sessions and IP packet forwarding all grind to a halt for about a half second as the hard drive spins up or down. Keeping the lid open a hair lets me avoid triggering this mode. > One thing is for sure. There will never be a standard. The fine art of > power switch hiding is with us for a long time. Personally I think it is an > alien conspiracy.... Well, I solved it on my 701 by never turning it off. While in grad school, I just suspended it whenever I needed it "off." -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 13:12:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA26916 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09937; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:09:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09752; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09722; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.218]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA14178; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01bdc6dd$2ebcf750$da769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:09:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu >> I recently moved up to a TP600 from an AcerNote Nuovo. Controversially the >> Acer hasn't got an on/off switch. You simply open or close the machine. > >I guess that means you can't dock it? > Quite the contrary, it docks just fine. Why wouldn't it? In fact I ended up with a spare dock, if anyone cares. (AcerNote Nuovo dock for model 971 with built-in Ethernet etc.) David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 14:55:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28407 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15523; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:51:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15372; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15356; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA12116; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:51:26 -1000 Message-ID: <003601bdc6eb$7d67a2c0$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "David W. Taylor" , "John Kim" , Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:52:11 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu John Kim: >The switch on the 701 was made very tough activate because of this. Of course, they forgot to remember that most people would open the machine first - thereby extending the butterfly keyboard and making the switch hard to reach - before turning it on. >I still don't see why they just don't recess it and put a cover >over it. Of course, this wouldn't work on the 560, where they've 'cleverly' put the IR under the switch (and of course assumed that any IR device you might want to talk to is on your left with a right-side IR sensor:-) David Taylor: > the >Acer hasn't got an on/off switch. You simply open or close the machine. Echoing somewhat John Kim's question re this, can you close the Acer and keep it running? I have a Micron serving IP in my office with the lid closed, would hate to keep it open even a crack because of dust. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 15:15:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA28747 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16823; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:11:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16719; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16702; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA12223; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:11:32 -1000 Message-ID: <005301bdc6ee$4a5f0820$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: [TPall/none?] Nifty free remote control program Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:12:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Not entirely on topic, but I've just tried out a free remote control program, http://www.orl.co.uk/vnc/ Lets you control a machine running W95 or Xwindows over the internet from another PC, X machine, or even a Mac. Right now I'm mucking around with my office Micron from my home Thinkpad, and the speed is tolerable even at 28.8. I think this is a great 'road warrior' tool, well worth the price! No connection to the company, I just thought people on this list might be interested. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 15:40:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29170 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18424; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:31:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17883; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asiaonline.net (asiaonline.net [202.85.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17864; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thunder (ip96_40.asiaonline.net [202.85.96.40]) by asiaonline.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA27451 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 03:28:59 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980814033209.0072276c@asiaonline.net> X-Sender: matthewh@asiaonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 03:32:11 +0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Matthew Hung Subject: UnSubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 18:25:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01723 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26727; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:23:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26598; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu (cc642@freenet.buffalo.edu [128.205.200.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26585; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (cc642@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.8.7/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA06216 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken To: Thinkpad talking Subject: How to remove DVD or battery from 770ed? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu My question is like the other person's, who asked how to turn the power on on his Thinkpad - How do I actually remove the DVD (or battery) from the 770ed? The instructions say to pull the bay release lever, but I can't tell whether I'm supposed to pull it really hard, or what, because I certainly can't get the drive out without it moving out on its own - there's no handle or anything. So I'm guessing I'm supposed to pull the lever really hard, and this will physically push the DVD drive out. But I don't want to chance it without knowing I'm doing the right thing. Thanks for the help. Ken e-mail: K ... * Not Kenzo's Extravaganza (web)Page cc642@freenet.buffalo.edu ... * Radio Extravaganza playlists, and more http://free-music.com/ken ... * links than you'll ever follow -- Hear Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza live on the internet, -- every Thursday night 10pm-1am Eastern Time From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 18:33:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01792 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27192; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:31:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27094; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27080; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA08977 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980813152727.00a6a444@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:28:06 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: li-ion battery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I've been looking for a spare Li-Ion battery for my 365XD TP. My usual source for computer things says he can only find nic cad. He even called IBM and was told only nic cad was available for that model, though mine came equipped with one brand new from Big Blue. I looked in the little spec sheet thing that came with and it only lists nic cad availability. What gives with all this ambiquity? Byerly From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 18:44:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02016 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27857; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:42:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27774; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27761; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from seawesta-94.az.com (seawesta-94.az.com [204.201.18.94]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA20099 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:38:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808132238.PAA20099@lucy.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 15:56:55 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: li-ion battery Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:28:06 -0700, B.R. Woodward wrote: >I've been looking for a spare Li-Ion battery for my 365XD TP. My usual >source for computer things says he can only find nic cad. He even called >IBM and was told only nic cad was available for that model, though mine >came equipped with one brand new from Big Blue. I looked in the little >spec sheet thing that came with and it only lists nic cad availability. >What gives with all this ambiquity? Really? All I could find when I was getting all of my batteries (4, one in machine and 3 backup) all I could find was the NiMH batteries. It would be interesting to hear if Li-Ion's work too. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 19:29:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02607 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29564; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:27:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29475; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29460; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-96.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.96]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA10065; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:27:34 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01bdc711$f3bd8fe0$601f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "Ken" , "Thinkpad talking" Subject: Re: How to remove DVD or battery from 770ed? Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:27:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I hesitate to use the phrase "really hard" but it does take a little pressure. Just move the lever to the left after you've moved the release lever to the right. It's purely mechanical and the short lever doesn't yield much leverage. It loosens up over time and you'll get used to it. I was scared to h_ll the first time, too! -----Original Message----- From: Ken To: Thinkpad talking Date: Thursday, August 13, 1998 5:28 PM Subject: How to remove DVD or battery from 770ed? >My question is like the other person's, who asked how to turn the power on >on his Thinkpad - > >How do I actually remove the DVD (or battery) from the 770ed? The >instructions say to pull the bay release lever, but I can't tell whether >I'm supposed to pull it really hard, or what, because I certainly can't >get the drive out without it moving out on its own - there's no handle or >anything. So I'm guessing I'm supposed to pull the lever really hard, and >this will physically push the DVD drive out. But I don't want to chance >it without knowing I'm doing the right thing. > >Thanks for the help. > >Ken > >e-mail: K ... * Not Kenzo's Extravaganza (web)Page >cc642@freenet.buffalo.edu ... * Radio Extravaganza playlists, and more >http://free-music.com/ken ... * links than you'll ever follow >-- Hear Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza live on the internet, >-- every Thursday night 10pm-1am Eastern Time > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 13 19:47:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA02824 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00506; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:46:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00397; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ni1.ni.net (ni1.ni.net [192.215.247.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00383; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oscar ([207.71.89.129]) by ni1.ni.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA00329 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980813164231.00aa2528@mail.lightside.com> X-Sender: bwoodward@mail.lightside.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:42:41 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "B.R. Woodward" Subject: li-ion battery--amended Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu I lied about the model. It's 385XD rather than 365XD. >Subject: li-ion battery >Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > >I've been looking for a spare Li-Ion battery for my 365XD TP. My usual >source for computer things says he can only find nic cad. He even called >IBM and was told only nic cad was available for that model, though mine >came equipped with one brand new from Big Blue. I looked in the little >spec sheet thing that came with and it only lists nic cad availability. >What gives with all this ambiquity? > >Byerly > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 01:03:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06784 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11212; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:59:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11080; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11067; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p18.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.87]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA04626 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808140457.VAA04626@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 21:58:23 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:52:11 -1000, David Ross wrote: >John Kim: > >>The switch on the 701 was made very tough activate because of this. > >Of course, they forgot to remember that most people would open the machine first - thereby extending the butterfly keyboard and >making the switch hard to reach - before turning it on. > Which is a pain in the rear. I end up holding the keyboard after opening it up (and that put's a little less strain on the hinges anyways). >>I still don't see why they just don't recess it and put a cover >>over it. > > >Of course, this wouldn't work on the 560, where they've 'cleverly' put the IR under the switch (and of course assumed that any IR >device you might want to talk to is on your left with a right-side IR sensor:-) > How about IR on BOTH sides (if possible)? That'd be nice. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 01:05:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA06866 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11443; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:03:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11365; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11314; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p18.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.87]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05023 for ; Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808140501.WAA05023@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 13 Aug 98 22:02:09 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, David Ross wrote: > >> >Yup, when I push the power switch really hard, the thing turns on and works >> >fine. Learn something new every day. >> >> Lest you decide that this is a negative feature of the 701, >> when IBM came out with the 560 they 'corrected' this problem >> made the switch nice and easy to slide. That way every time >> you shift the machine for any reason you have to be very very >> careful not to touch the switch, as it will shut off with >> little persuasion. (I've lost files a couple of time to this >> on my 560.) > >Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. > >The on/off switch on the 750 was easy to slide too, and lots of >users complained about accidently turning their machine off when >they picked it up to move it. The switch on the 701 was made >very tough activate because of this. I guess they got too many >complaints about the switch being too hard and went back on the >560. :-) > >I still don't see why they just don't recess it and put a cover >over it. > Or prompt you to press ENTER if you really want to shut off the machine. My TP300 prompts you (with a special option you can set in the BIOS). The TP300 has several nice options for an older ThinkPad, such as a built-in DEBUG program, turn off verification, always accessable BIOS (like the 701), etc. Ironically, I think it's made by Zenith. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 01:50:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA07338 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12923; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:48:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12786; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12772; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (146.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.146]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA02066; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D3CFBA.F90C9E46@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:48:43 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: Thinkpad talking Subject: Re: How to remove DVD or battery from 770ed? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Ken.. push the release catch toware the side of the machine.. this will release the larger lever located just inboard of the catch.. it'll pop out, then pull it further, until it reaches about a 45 degree angle.. this will push the battery or CD or floppy or whatever out far enough to grasp and pull the rest of the way, out..!! :-) Ken wrote: > My question is like the other person's, who asked how to turn the power on > on his Thinkpad - > > How do I actually remove the DVD (or battery) from the 770ed? The > instructions say to pull the bay release lever, but I can't tell whether > I'm supposed to pull it really hard, or what, because I certainly can't > get the drive out without it moving out on its own - there's no handle or > anything. So I'm guessing I'm supposed to pull the lever really hard, and > this will physically push the DVD drive out. But I don't want to chance > it without knowing I'm doing the right thing. > > Thanks for the help. > > Ken > > e-mail: K ... * Not Kenzo's Extravaganza (web)Page > cc642@freenet.buffalo.edu ... * Radio Extravaganza playlists, and more > http://free-music.com/ken ... * links than you'll ever follow > -- Hear Ken's Last Ever Radio Extravaganza live on the internet, > -- every Thursday night 10pm-1am Eastern Time From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 02:03:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07859 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13378; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:02:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13296; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13281; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (146.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.146]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA03710; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D3D304.2DB1DCEC@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:02:44 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Harry Teszler CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? References: <199808122327.UAA29399@netgate.com.uy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Greetings to Harry in Uruguay... on my 770ED, i partitioned the 8.1gig at 8.1gigs.. reasoning is when i put another 8.1gig in the ultrabay, the drive letters don't change, also, if i were downloading a huge file (say 8megs and i had 4 partitions with each only having 4megs space) i would have some place to put it.. there are other reasons, but its late.. :-) Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad Win95B & Win98 and looking into warp-4 and Linux (Red Hat) VOICE - 561-781-0039, Fax - 561-781-2070 Harry Teszler wrote: > Hello everybody ! > > Could each one that owns a 770 ED tell me how (I mean sizes) did you > partition the 8,1 Gb disk and why (having Windows 95 installed) ? > > I have to repartition my machine and would like to hear suggestions. > It is because of the more than 2,1Gb that W95 does not recognize. > > Thanks to all in advance. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Harry Teszler La Suiza S.A. > > hteszler@netgate.com.uy > harryt@redfacil.com.uy > > ICQ# 10971865 > > Phone : +598 2 2090884 Fax : +598 2 2030694 > +598 2 2003996 > > Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 02:06:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA07948 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13492; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:03:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13414; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13400; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (146.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.146]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA03884; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D3D359.8E27A816@icanect.net> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:04:09 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 701C DOA? References: <199808130003.TAA13827@rgate.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu Mike.. note: the 701 has got to be turned on for the battery to charge.. :-) Happy Trails... :-) ** Bill Morrow ** Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com DISCUSSION: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad Michael Geary wrote: > So my shiny new-used $400 bargain TP701C arrived from Egghead today, and it > seems to be DOA. There's no special magic involved in turning one of these > on, is there? If I plug in the AC adapter at least one of the LED's on the > back ought to light up? > > I know the AC adapter is good--checked that. It's the same voltage as my > TP600, so I switched them around. The 701C's adapter has a lower power > rating, but I figured it wouldn't matter for a few seconds test. Sure > enough, the TP600 runs fine on either adapter, the 701C on neither. > > Oh well, probably gotta get an RMA#, unless anyone has any tricks up their > sleeve... > > BTW, belated thanks to everyone who replied about my IBM vs. Toshiba disk > drive question last week. I meant to jump back into the discussion but got > busy with a deadline. (It's much more fun to talk about ThinkPads than it > is to actually work, but how else could I pay for these machines?) > > -Mike > > http://www.geary.com > mailto:mg@mg.to > ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 11:28:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14655 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05800; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:25:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05382; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heisenberg.lza-chicago.com (heisenberg.lza-chicago.com [209.48.106.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05310; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heisenberg.lza-chicago.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:25:16 -0500 Message-ID: <795F7F3E6438D1119FD300A0C96B754F5D9A@heisenberg.lza-chicago.com> From: "Pantazis, Dionysios J." To: Robert_Huber@WellspringRes.com, ross@math.hawaii.edu, ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: solaris + W95 on same thinkpad? Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:25:13 -0500 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu WRT Solaris on laptops, I find that Sun dropping Solaris support on laptops hard to believe. I was told by a Sun exec that the Sun developers used Intel based laptops to both develop and present. For the most part, Thinkpads, HP's and Toshibas are supported. The middle to high machines are a safe bet to run Solaris on. The best/only thing you can do is to check with http://access1.sun.com and see what has not only been certified but what has been tested. I have run x86 on both a TP701 and a 560. Yes there is a lot to be said for Linux. However, trying to compare Linux to x86 is a bit like comparing kumquats and oranges...each has its own benefits and drawbacks. When I got it, x86 cost me $100. Now that its free I might just have to go back to school! If you want to explore more about x86 and get to various links, another good site is http://www.eis.com which is a Sun reseller/partner and hosts the x86 mailing list. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 14 11:46:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14946 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07236; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.10); Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:45:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07145; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07127; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA27137 for <@mak.mak.com:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA26378 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:44:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 11:44:54 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? In-Reply-To: <35D3D304.2DB1DCEC@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Comment: to {un}subscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com wrote: > > on my 770ED, i partitioned the 8.1gig at 8.1gigs.. > reasoning is when i put another 8.1gig in the ultrabay, the drive letters don't > change, also, > if i were downloading a huge file (say 8megs and i had 4 partitions with each > only having 4megs space) i would have some place to put it.. > there are other reasons, but its late.. :-) Has anyone done any formal timings of disk accesses using different partitioning schemes? I noticed my work machine was significantly slower at reading/writing very large files when I switched from FAT (32k clusters, blech!) to VFAT (512 byte clusters). I suspected the same thing with OS/2 and Linux (both use 512 byte clusters in their standard file systems), but since FAT wasn't native to them, I never got around to doing any timings. If VFAT really is slower, does anyone know if putting it on larger partitions makes it any slower? i.e. does searching an 8GB partition take more than twice as long as searching a 4GB partition? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 15 05:55:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA27934 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18323; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:53:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18182; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18162; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 05:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id KAA013.72; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:54:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199808150954.KAA013.72@bradnet> Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 10:54:02 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: PCMCIA Ethernet on Warp 4 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have any experience getting IBM Ethernet adaptors working on a Thinkpad under Warp 4? I've just bought a couple of second hand adapters and am not sure whether they work or are misconfigured... I suspect that they are setup to use twisted pair cales with RJ45 connectors by default, whereas I'm using coax with BNC, but I haven't found any options for setting this. Any suggestions where to look? MPTS doesn't provide any such options. -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 15 13:55:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02319 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25087; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:52:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24946; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24934; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midtower01 ([12.69.4.85]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980815175220.IOMR6137@midtower01> for ; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:52:20 +0000 From: "ATT Mail" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 13:41:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bdc873$e2a4fe60$5215fea9@midtower01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 02:00:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10584 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06568; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:58:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06442; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06430; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p20.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.89]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA21278; Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808160555.WAA21278@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk" Date: Sat, 15 Aug 98 22:24:03 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: PCMCIA Ethernet on Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 15 Aug 98 10:54:02 +0000, John Poltorak wrote: >Does anyone have any experience getting IBM Ethernet adaptors working >on a Thinkpad under Warp 4? > Yup, but not file and print sharing. I got my 701, running Warp 4 (of course) working with a 28.8 Home & Away card. The modem doesn't work (but I haven't tried v.2.0 drivers yet), but I have TCP/IP working great. >I've just bought a couple of second hand adapters and am not sure whether >they work or are misconfigured... I suspect that they are setup to use >twisted pair cales with RJ45 connectors by default, whereas I'm using >coax with BNC, but I haven't found any options for setting this. Hmmm... You might want to invest in AUI adapters, RJ45 cables, and a good hub. Most likely, you won't be able to use coax with those cards; very few ethernet cards sold today have 10Base2 capabilities. I think I've seen an adapter however that converts 10BaseT to 10Base2, but I can't be certain. I was using coax cables, but found that RJ45 cables are better (although coax doesn't require a hub). >Any suggestions where to look? MPTS doesn't provide any such options. > Just install MPTS, then when prompted for your adapter, and protocols (NETBIOS, TCP/IP, IPX, etc.), configure it by selecting an adapter first (or by loading from a floppy disk with drivers), and then select the bindings (protocols) for it. Also, a side question (respond privately on this one, unless someone else on the list knows about ELM) - how did you install ELM for OS/2? I can't get it to work (so I can access mail from the ThinkPad through a telnet session). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 02:20:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10838 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07026; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:19:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06947; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06935; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA13928; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D679EB.B5DDF140@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:19:23 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. it may be that uning a 512 byte 'cluster' is not as efficient as a 4k 'cluster', no..?? you know that you CAN set the cluster size in fat32, down to a 512byte size.. i have not run timings since it matters little to me... i get what i get.. :-) (now this lousey new intel MB that takes a full 2.7 minutes to just START loading the OS is something i do not have to keep ) i suppose its best to keep the drive defragmented and if you are really sensitive to speed, do all the little things that can be done to speed file access up.. John Kim wrote: > On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com wrote: > > > > on my 770ED, i partitioned the 8.1gig at 8.1gigs.. > > reasoning is when i put another 8.1gig in the ultrabay, the drive letters don't > > change, also, > > if i were downloading a huge file (say 8megs and i had 4 partitions with each > > only having 4megs space) i would have some place to put it.. > > there are other reasons, but its late.. :-) > > Has anyone done any formal timings of disk accesses using > different partitioning schemes? I noticed my work machine was > significantly slower at reading/writing very large files when I > switched from FAT (32k clusters, blech!) to VFAT (512 byte > clusters). I suspected the same thing with OS/2 and Linux (both > use 512 byte clusters in their standard file systems), but since > FAT wasn't native to them, I never got around to doing any > timings. > > If VFAT really is slower, does anyone know if putting it on > larger partitions makes it any slower? i.e. does searching an > 8GB partition take more than twice as long as searching a 4GB > partition? > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 02:24:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA10871 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07248; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:22:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07172; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07160; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA24587; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35D67A6E.459D983B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:21:34 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA Ethernet on Warp 4 References: <199808150954.KAA013.72@bradnet> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. i don't use OS2 or co-ax, but i think there is no way to select, just connect up what you have.. Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad John Poltorak wrote: > Does anyone have any experience getting IBM Ethernet adaptors working > on a Thinkpad under Warp 4? > > I've just bought a couple of second hand adapters and am not sure whether > they work or are misconfigured... I suspect that they are setup to use > twisted pair cales with RJ45 connectors by default, whereas I'm using > coax with BNC, but I haven't found any options for setting this. > > Any suggestions where to look? MPTS doesn't provide any such options. > > -- > John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 03:29:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11763 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10189; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:26:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10005; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ariel.jimani.com (ariel.jimani.com [207.66.81.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09993; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 03:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by ariel.jimani.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA13422 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:26:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:26:25 -0600 (MDT) From: Lorenzo Pollock To: thinkpad list Subject: Subscribe Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Subscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 08:43:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA14403 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18604; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:41:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18455; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18433; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:40:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18130; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA08316; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256662.00460902 ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:44:58 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" cc: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <85256662.0046071B.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 08:38:48 -0400 Subject: Re: PCMCIA Ethernet on Warp 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: You need to get hold of the adapter program (typically DOS based) that came with adapter. If you don't have the original diskettes you can probably find the program up at the IBM web site. -Bill "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" on 08/16/98 02:21:34 AM To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA Ethernet on Warp 4 John.. i don't use OS2 or co-ax, but i think there is no way to select, just connect up what you have.. Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, morrow1@compuserve.com, morrow@treco.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad John Poltorak wrote: > Does anyone have any experience getting IBM Ethernet adaptors working > on a Thinkpad under Warp 4? > > I've just bought a couple of second hand adapters and am not sure whether > they work or are misconfigured... I suspect that they are setup to use > twisted pair cales with RJ45 connectors by default, whereas I'm using > coax with BNC, but I haven't found any options for setting this. > > Any suggestions where to look? MPTS doesn't provide any such options. > > -- > John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 12:09:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16285 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21311; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:07:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21188; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet (bradnet.legend.co.uk [194.164.19.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21176; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by bradnet (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id RAA019.05; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:04:38 +0100 Message-Id: <199808161604.RAA019.05@bradnet> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 17:04:37 +0000 From: John Poltorak Subject: Ethernet & Token ring cards To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: jpolt@bradnet.legend.co.uk X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Are there any particular tricks involved in getting Ethernet and Token Ring cards to co-exist in a ThinkPad? If I use the default settings under MPTS my LANTRAN.LOG tells me that: IBM OS/2 LANMSGDD [03/16/98] 5.05 is loaded and operational. IBM OS/2 LANDD [03/16/98] 5.00.02 IBM OS/2 LANDLLDD 2.01 IBM OS/2 LANDLLDD is loaded and operational. IBM OS/2 NETBEUI 5.15.0 NETBEUI: Using a 32-bit data segment. Installing NETWKSTA.200 Version 5.0. IBM LAN Redirector (Sep 24, 1996) IBM OS/2 NETBIOS 4.0 Adapter 0 has 153 NCBs, 96 sessions, and 6 names available to NETBIOS applications. Adapter 1 has 223 NCBs, 130 sessions, and 20 names available to NETBIOS applications. NETBIOS 4.0 is loaded and operational. Token-Ring Network Driver, Version V.2.054 Token-Ring Credit Card Inserted in socket 02. LTG0097: Token-Ring Credit Card MMIO RequestWindow failed. Return code 20. Token-Ring Credit Card Registration Complete. IBM LANVDD is loaded and operational. IBM OS/2 LAN Netbind A Token-Ring Credit Card is currently not present in a socket. LTG0095: A NETADDRESS must be specified to boot without the adapter present in a socket. LT00042: The IBMTOKCS_nif MAC was not able to bind. Return Code = 0xFF. IBM LANDD is accessing IBM 802.3 LAN Interface. Adapter 1 was initialized and opened successfully. Adapter 1 is using node address 08005A3B2CED. The Token-Ring format is 10005ADC34B7. IBM LANDD was successfully bound to MAC: PCMNICCS_nif->VECTOR. PRO0021: A general failure occurred when the program tried to bind VECTOR to IBMTOKCS_NIF. -- John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 15:26:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA18679 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28814; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28491; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28479; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (ts9port19.port.net [207.38.252.19]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA03562 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808161922.PAA03562@amsterdam.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: home & away Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I recently bought a Home & Away card, mainly to use as an ethernet nic in my TP 560. Works just fine as a nic. However, I can't get the modem to work. Whenever I try to use it, I get error 602 - modem in use by another program. No other program is using the modem. Device manager shows no conflicts or other problems. *One* time I got it to dial, but I got a no dial tone error - looking through old messages from this list, I see I should have set the modem for blind dialing. I tried that, but got the modem in use error again. This happens even from a cold boot. Any ideas? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 17:39:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA20496 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07613; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:37:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07498; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ariel.jimani.com (ariel.jimani.com [207.66.81.16]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07486; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (lorenzo@localhost) by ariel.jimani.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18089; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:37:43 -0600 Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:37:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Lorenzo Pollock To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: lorenzo@ariel.jimani.com, kglp@cia-g.com Subject: Dock info on Thinkpads Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: A friend gave me his docking station stuff after his 755 was stolen... because he upgraded to a new 770... He purchased all of it in November of 1996 and January of 1997, but it appears to have had very little use. I use a 760XL I need some advice from people who own/use or sell parts for Thinkpad docking stations. He gave me a Dock II with manual, but no cables... the manual shows that it is supposed to come with an "IDE cable" and a "CD ROM" extensions. The manual says it is for the 750 series, the 300 series, and the 500 series... but does not say 760 series although he claims it should work with the 760 series. The part number on this unit (new-like condition) is 3546-001 97/1 The Dock II has room for two SCSI devices, but I cannot see where to put or fit a laptop hard drive which I have seen people mention on this list. He also gave me what he called a Dock I and a separate big enclosure that attaches to the "Dock I" to it that appears to be able to contain a card of somekind... I am not sure if it is a Dock I... it is in new condition. It has a sticker on the front that identifies it as a 3547-001 96/9 But no other label other than "IBM Thinkpad." It has nothing calling it a Dock I. It doesn't fit a 760XL as it... it appears as if there is another platform that should fit between the computer and the dock... It does have space and connections for the Thinkpad removable CD ROM and the hard drive... both my drives do fit. I have the "user manual" and an "update" for the Dock II, but nothing for the "Dock I" My questions: 1. Does anybody have a guess as what I have for the Dock I Is there another small platform that fits between this "docking station" and the laptop? 2. Does anybody have a clue as to where and how to connect a thinkpad hard drive to the Dock II? 3. Where can I go to get more info and to buy parts that are missing such as the cables. 4. Can I use any SCSI II units or only IBM SCSI II units? and where are some good places to order them. 5. Am I wasting my time in assuming that my friend is correct and that these units will fit a Thinkpad 760XL? Is the manual correct or just out of date that it only fits the 300 series, the 500 series and the 750 series...??? This will be such a boon to me if I can make these parts work... Additional security and backup... I can use a full size monitor and keyboard when at home. Lorenzo Pollock From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 18:36:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA21009 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08957; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:34:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08842; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (ftp.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08830; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peter (ppp10.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:34:05 PST From: "peter machule" To: "Lorenzo Pollock" , CC: , Subject: Re: Dock info on Thinkpads Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:33:47 -0000 Message-ID: <01bdc92b$42616de0$LocalHost@peter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: See below....(nice friend ;-} > >A friend gave me his docking station stuff after >his 755 was stolen... because he upgraded to a >new 770... He purchased all of it in November of 1996 >and January of 1997, but it appears to have had very little >use. > >I use a 760XL >I need some advice from people who own/use or sell parts >for Thinkpad docking stations. > >He gave me a Dock II with manual, but no cables... the manual >shows that it is supposed to come with an "IDE cable" and a >"CD ROM" extensions. The manual says it is for the 750 series, the >300 series, and the 500 series... but does not say 760 series although >he claims it should work with the 760 series. The part number on >this unit (new-like condition) is > > 3546-001 97/1 > >The Dock II has room for two SCSI devices, but I cannot see >where to put or fit a laptop hard drive which I have seen people >mention on this list. > >He also gave me what he called a Dock I and a separate big >enclosure that attaches to the "Dock I" >to it that appears to be able to contain a card of somekind... >I am not sure if it is a Dock I... it is in new condition. It >has a sticker on the front that identifies it as a > > 3547-001 96/9 > >But no other label other than "IBM Thinkpad." It has nothing >calling it a Dock I. >It doesn't fit a 760XL as it... it appears as if there >is another platform that should fit between the computer and >the dock... It does have space and connections for the Thinkpad >removable CD ROM and the hard drive... both my drives do fit. > >I have the "user manual" and an "update" for the Dock II, but >nothing for the "Dock I" > >My questions: > >1. Does anybody have a guess as what I have for the Dock I > Is there another small platform that fits between this > "docking station" and the laptop? You have the Select-a-Dock 1. It works with the 760's It needs the Select-a-Dock BASE station. The base station is usually $150 ish . www.necx.com has a few of these in their outlet section for $135 . If anyone knows of a better price , please let us know . The Dock 2 also works with the 760's. The info is there but in IBM's usuall way it's buried. I have include the ASCII versions of 2 of their .html info sheets that are somewhere on their Web. Good luck in your search. ..peter... > >2. Does anybody have a clue as to where and how to connect > a thinkpad hard drive to the Dock II? ThinkPad Options - ThinkPad 4X CD-ROM Drive Adapter - Technical Specifications Product Information Option name ThinkPad 4X CD-ROM Drive Adapter Option P/N 39H3987 CD-ROM drive adapter 3.5-inch device driver diskette Mounting screws User's guide Hardware prerequisites (IBM systems:) CD-Rom Drive, Dock I (3545001), Dock II (3546001). Features Required for installation of some ThinkPad CD-ROM Drive's into the Dock I and Dock II. Height 25mm Width 149mm Depth 165mm Also: ThinkPad Dock I - CD-ROM Options CD-ROM DRIVES Option P/N FRU P/N Additional Information CD-Rom (2x) 66G3536 (withdrawn) 66G3577 CD-Rom (4x) 39H7413 (withdrawn) 29H9231 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom (6x) 85G1957 (withdrawn) 82H8850 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom (8x) 45H8786 (withdrawn) 82H8851 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom (8x-20x) 00K7903 02K0490 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom Drive Adapter 39H3987 (withdrawn) 39H3992 Required for some CD-Rom drives (see above) IDE Conversion Card 46H5994 39H7432 Required when using a TP 760E/ED/EL/ELD/X/XD in the docking station with an IDE device For Dock 2: ThinkPad Dock II - CD-ROM Options CD-ROM DRIVES Option P/N FRU P/N Important Information CD-Rom (2x) 66G3536 (withdrawn) CD-Rom Drive - 66G3577. Multiple FRU's for installation Kit. CD-Rom (4x) 39H7413 (withdrawn) 29H9231 Requires ThinkPad CD-Rom Drive Adapter (Option p/n 39H3987) below. Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom (6x) 85G1957 (withdrawn) 82H8850 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom (8x) 45H8786 (withdrawn) 82H8851 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. CD-Rom (8x-20x) 00K7903 02K0490 Requires CD-Rom Drive Adapter Option p/n 39H3987 (below). Fits into slim height bay. 4X CD-Rom (SCSI, 1/2 hght, Black) 06H9088 (withdrawn) drive - 06H9090 audio cable - 06H9091 rails - 85F0009 CD-Rom (4x) Drive Adapter 39H3987 (withdrawn) 39H3992 Required for some CD-Rom Drives (see above). IDE Conversion Card 46H5994 39H7432 Required when using a TP 760E/ED/EL/ELD/X/XD in the docking station with an IDE device > >3. Where can I go to get more info and to buy parts that > are missing such as the cables. >FROM IBM http://www.direct.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/;display/category?cgmenbr=1&cgrfnbr=504 > >4. Can I use any SCSI II units or only IBM SCSI II units? > and where are some good places to order them. > >5. Am I wasting my time in assuming that my friend is correct > and that these units will fit a Thinkpad 760XL? Is the > manual correct or just out of date that it only fits the > 300 series, the 500 series and the 750 series...??? > >This will be such a boon to me if I can make these parts work... >Additional security and backup... I can use a full size monitor >and keyboard when at home. > >Lorenzo Pollock > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 19:27:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21560 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10057; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:25:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09900; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09888; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:25:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates (ts2p11.ro.com [205.216.92.52]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA23272 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:25:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199808162325.SAA23272@sh1.ro.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 18:16:56 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: MWave modem trouble X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 List-Unsubscribe: I finally got the MWave modem program on my 765D, running OS/2, to run without errors, but since it still doesn't work, its not much help. I have enabled the modem for COM2. The MWave DSP is enabled, and I can get sound. The MWave discriminator will play the setup error sounds it has, and other programs that use audio work fine. The terminal program I have will open COM2 without any trouble, as does the PPP dialer. However, nothing comes back over the serial port. The MWave modem program shows no indication that anything ever happens. It seems that software trying to use the MWave modem through the serial port are not getting through to the modem. Anyone have a clue how this might be fixed? -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 16 23:18:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA23849 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15258; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:16:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15073; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15061; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p20.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.89]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16610 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808170313.UAA16610@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 20:14:34 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: home & away List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:44 -0400, richard wrote: >I recently bought a Home & Away card, mainly to use as an ethernet nic in >my TP 560. Works just fine as a nic. However, I can't get the modem to >work. Whenever I try to use it, I get error 602 - modem in use by another >program. No other program is using the modem. Device manager shows no >conflicts or other problems. *One* time I got it to dial, but I got a no >dial tone error - looking through old messages from this list, I see I >should have set the modem for blind dialing. I tried that, but got the >modem in use error again. > >This happens even from a cold boot. > >Any ideas? It could be a driver problem. The same thing happens on my Home & Away in OS/2 (and I HATE using the 14.4 modem on my 701 instead of the H&A's 28.8). Do you have the latest drivers for 95? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my P75 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.4, Newton OS1.5 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 17 04:38:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA27287 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23177; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:36:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23035; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23023; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 04:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.sbs.co.at (ns.sbs.co.at [195.75.3.18]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA65980; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:36:27 GMT Received: by www.sbs.co.at(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id C1256663.002F0CF2 ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:33:55 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBS@WEB From: "Bernd Meierhofer" To: jeffj@ro.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:31:43 +0200 Subject: Re: MWave modem trouble Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I although had some troubles with the MWAVE-modem on my ThinkPad 770ED and 760XD (using OS/2 4.0 and WinNT 4.0) when I changed the modem country settings from US to Austria. After restoring the old settings the modem worked fine again. If you are using OS/2, ensure that the Modem ist started by using the "modem icon". Bernd jeffj@ro.com on 17.08.98 01.16.56 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: (bcc: Bernd Meierhofer/SBS/AT) Subject: MWave modem trouble I finally got the MWave modem program on my 765D, running OS/2, to run without errors, but since it still doesn't work, its not much help. I have enabled the modem for COM2. The MWave DSP is enabled, and I can get sound. The MWave discriminator will play the setup error sounds it has, and other programs that use audio work fine. The terminal program I have will open COM2 without any trouble, as does the PPP dialer. However, nothing comes back over the serial port. The MWave modem program shows no indication that anything ever happens. It seems that software trying to use the MWave modem through the serial port are not getting through to the modem. Anyone have a clue how this might be fixed? -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 17 07:24:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28734 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00176; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:22:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29909; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (amsterdam.interport.net [199.184.165.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29892; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (ts9port17.port.net [207.38.252.17]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA14611; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808171122.HAA14611@amsterdam.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.44 (Beta) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:22:39 -0400 To: "Paul Khoury" From: richard Subject: Re: home & away Cc: "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <199808170313.UAA16610@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:14 PM 8/16/98 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:22:44 -0400, richard wrote: > >>I recently bought a Home & Away card, mainly to use as an ethernet nic in >>my TP 560. Works just fine as a nic. However, I can't get the modem to >>work. Whenever I try to use it, I get error 602 - modem in use by another >>program. No other program is using the modem. Device manager shows no >>conflicts or other problems. *One* time I got it to dial, but I got a no >>dial tone error - looking through old messages from this list, I see I >>should have set the modem for blind dialing. I tried that, but got the >>modem in use error again. >> >>This happens even from a cold boot. >> >>Any ideas? > >It could be a driver problem. The same thing happens on my Home & Away in OS/2 (and >I HATE using the 14.4 modem on my 701 instead of the H&A's 28.8). > >Do you have the latest drivers for 95? I downloaded them from an IBM web site this weekend. The drivers are dated 2/16/98. The readme mentions windows version 4.00.95B, which is the version I have. btw, I have the 14.4 version of the H&A. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 17 10:10:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00592 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06826; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:03:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06333; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06292; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07848 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 16:02:27 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.43); 17 Aug 98 16:02:09 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.122) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 17 Aug 98 16:01:59 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10]) by magrathea@stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA01754 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:46:43 +0200 Message-Id: <199808170946.LAA01754@magrathea@stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:46:40 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MWave modem trouble List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:31:43 +0200, Bernd Meierhofer wrote: Hi! >I although had some troubles with the MWAVE-modem on my ThinkPad 770ED and >760XD (using OS/2 4.0 and WinNT 4.0) when I changed the modem country >settings from US to Austria. I think that's the point. With the build in DAA in the US-Models MWave modem will work only if switched to "US" in the country selection. I think one doesn't switch between the countries one is traveling, but between the commuication of MWave to the DAA, and foriegn DAA's seems to have a diffrent protocol. I took long time to find this "bug" in the docs, which say one must switch the country to the country where one is. I thought of wrong cableing or something like that, tried nearly everything and even don't get a dial-tone. >After restoring the old settings the modem >worked fine again. If you are using OS/2, ensure that the Modem ist >started by using the "modem icon". Ok, the modem must be started, but I think that's the case ;-) -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 17 11:54:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02153 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10998; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:51:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10823; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10811; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24028 for <@mak.mak.com:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA04607 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:49:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:49:44 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? In-Reply-To: <35D679EB.B5DDF140@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com wrote: > > John.. > it may be that uning a 512 byte 'cluster' is not as efficient > as a 4k 'cluster', no..?? Well that goes without saying. :-) It's easier to keep track of 100 items than 800 items. > you know that you CAN set the > cluster size in fat32, down to a 512byte size.. > > i have not run timings since it matters little to me... i get > what i get.. :-) (now this lousey new intel MB that takes a > full 2.7 minutes to just START loading the OS is something i > do not have to keep ) Since someone asked what's a good way to partition an 8GB drive, I thought I'd point out one of the potential drawbacks of the newer filesystems over FAT and those yucky 32k clusters. If you have gobs of disk space to spare, it my not be a bad idea to opt for 32k clusters to get speed over space efficiency. I still haven't gotten an answer as to how well the new filesystems scale with disk size... -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 17 12:00:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02276 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11381; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:58:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11239; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exit1.i-55.com (exit1.i-55.com [204.27.97.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11227; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anthony (ppp63-man.i-55.com [208.231.97.81]) by exit1.i-55.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA15818 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:55:48 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980817110020.0079f100@i-55.com> X-Sender: suspend@i-55.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:00:20 -0500 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C4nthony?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe suspend@i-55.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Anthony B. 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Grigorenko From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 00:11:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA13674 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08420; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:09:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08263; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (pantano.theriver.com [205.216.137.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08251; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 00:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from theriver.com (a37.pm3-32.theriver.com [208.164.96.37]) by pantano.theriver.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA09619; Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:09:17 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <35D8D5AD.220EC9F3@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:15:25 -0400 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04b1 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How did you partition and why ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't think about those things as I use OS/2 with its HPFS. The file system is based on the UNIX B-tree system and uses 512 byte clusters. The same holds true for NTFS (which is based on the server version of HPFS.) For the Windows95/98 crowd, using FAT32 gains higher disk efficiency at the expense of file look-up efficiency. However, the loss is usually made up by the gain in hard drive space. I had a 2.1 GB hard drive and it "gained" almost 200MB on a Windows95 OSR2 and SmartSuite install. The OSR2 install was the Recovery CD for my machine. James John Kim wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com wrote: > > > > John.. > > it may be that uning a 512 byte 'cluster' is not as efficient > > as a 4k 'cluster', no..?? > > Well that goes without saying. :-) It's easier to keep track > of 100 items than 800 items. > > > you know that you CAN set the > > cluster size in fat32, down to a 512byte size.. > > > > i have not run timings since it matters little to me... i get > > what i get.. :-) (now this lousey new intel MB that takes a > > full 2.7 minutes to just START loading the OS is something i > > do not have to keep ) > > Since someone asked what's a good way to partition an 8GB drive, > I thought I'd point out one of the potential drawbacks of the > newer filesystems over FAT and those yucky 32k clusters. If you > have gobs of disk space to spare, it my not be a bad idea to opt > for 32k clusters to get speed over space efficiency. > > I still haven't gotten an answer as to how well the new > filesystems scale with disk size... > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 09:40:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20414 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26859; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:34:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26712; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.mv.net (root@mercury.mv.net [199.125.85.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26699; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from summit.msc.com (meisner.mv.com [207.22.43.6]) by mercury.mv.net (8.8.8/mem-971025) with SMTP id JAA15760 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from homer.msc.com by summit.msc.com (NTMail 3.02.07) with ESMTP id ma001078 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:33:27 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980818093304.01ebdc20@mail> X-Sender: steve@mail X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:33:04 -0400 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Steve Meisner Subject: Docking solution for 760ED Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Am I trying to sneak by too cheap??? I found pretty good deals on 2 Dock II stations. But they don't seem to provide warm docking support I need. I mostly use Windows NT 4.0, but have tried Win98 also and cannot successfully warm dock/undock my 760ED. I've got two questions for everyone: 1. This does work with Win95...right? Should I go back to 95 just so I can use the docking stations? 2. Should I just bite the bullet and get the newer Selecta dock system? It supports WinNT / 98, right? Anyone know of any good deals on a Selecta dock III? Might as well get the best if I'm gonna do it... Steve _______________________________________________________________________ Steve Meisner Meisner Software Consulting Office: 603-881-5316 Fax: 603-889-7921 Pager: 617-362-1184 (MA) 603-596-2344 (NH) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 09:50:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20629 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27914; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:49:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27832; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.waterw.com (water.waterw.com [199.171.193.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27817; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dial2.waterw.com (dial2.waterw.com [209.107.20.17]) by water.waterw.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA04129 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808181349.JAA04129@water.waterw.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "James H. E. Maugham" Organization: J.H.E. Maugham & Associates, Inc. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:43:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Thinkpad 365E Reply-to: CaptJHEM@waterw.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <35bb66a0.4395999@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) List-Unsubscribe: Hello again all, I'm back from Alaska and what a magnificent trip I had. Anyone thinking of cruising the inside passage is welcome to send me mail for some tips and thoughts. With regard to Thinkpads, while I had my 760 with me, "She Who Must Be Obeyed" forbade its use so I've been off the list for two weeks suffering withdrawal pains. I picked up a TP365E at a garage sale in Anchorage (the price was EXTREMELY right) in good working order and with a fresh battery. Only problem with it (other than the fact that this is a VERY basic machine) is that the IPD will frequently report a failure on boot or WIN95 will report no pointing device available on startup. Anyone have any ideas on why I get this intermittent failure? I've re-seated all of the connecters and upgraded the BIOS to the most recent version available from the IBM FTP, but continue to get the failure on boot. Regards, James In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W Sailboat free 'til 2003! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 11:00:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21585 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01514; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:57:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01259; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01246; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA24666; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 10:55:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: "James H. E. Maugham" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 365E In-Reply-To: <199808181349.JAA04129@water.waterw.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: The complete keyboard is available from IBM at approximately 50$ (USD). Alban On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > Hello again all, I'm back from Alaska and what a magnificent trip I had. = Anyone=20 > thinking of cruising the inside passage is welcome to send me mail for so= me=20 > tips and thoughts. >=20 > With regard to Thinkpads, while I had my 760 with me, "She Who Must Be Ob= eyed"=20 > forbade its use so I've been off the list for two weeks suffering withdra= wal=20 > pains. >=20 > I picked up a TP365E at a garage sale in Anchorage (the price was EXTREME= LY=20 > right) in good working order and with a fresh battery. Only problem with = it=20 > (other than the fact that this is a VERY basic machine) is that the IPD w= ill=20 > frequently report a failure on boot or WIN95 will report no pointing devi= ce=20 > available on startup. >=20 > Anyone have any ideas on why I get this intermittent failure? I've re-sea= ted=20 > all of the connecters and upgraded the BIOS to the most recent version=20 > available from the IBM FTP, but continue to get the failure on boot. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > James >=20 > In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W > Sailboat free 'til 2003! >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 11:21:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21903 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02662; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:17:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02570; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com (imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02558; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from Jkhkjhu7yl@aol.com by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CUSIa02268 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:16:47 EDT To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Best memory for TP 600? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 18 List-Unsubscribe: Apologies in advance, as this has surely been asked before, but what's the best source for Thinkpad 600 memory? Correct me if I'm wrong, but TP600 memory seems to be of a specialized sort, and also seems to have few legitimate suppliers. I'm looking to buy 32 or 64 MB, and while I'd like to pay the lowest price, I also want to be confident it'll work. Thank you for any help. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 11:22:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA21930 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02795; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:18:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02705; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f222.hotmail.com [207.82.251.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02685; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19435 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1998 15:17:49 -0000 Message-ID: <19980818151749.19434.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.164.202.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:17:48 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.164.202.5] From: "Fabian Rodriguez" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:17:48 PDT List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, This morning while doing some deltrees I just did one I did not want to on my Thinkpad 365XD. Do you guys know of any way to recover a "deltreed" directory? I was using DOS command line after booting to DOS command prompt only (no drivers loaded) and immediately suspended the computer after the offending command. This machine has Win95 (not OSR2) installed on it, althoug I had just deltreed the entire ProgramFiles directory too. the only thing remaining on the machine is the Windows95 dir itself, and I did not reboot the machine. This is onwe partition 1GB HD, no compression, nothing, defragmented 2 days ago. If any, I'd rather have a DOS/disquette based solution... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 12:59:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23367 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07680; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:56:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07510; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom19.netcom.com (phr@netcom19.netcom.com [192.100.81.132]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07445; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom19.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA13455 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:55:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199808181655.JAA13455@netcom19.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Best memory for TP 600? List-Unsubscribe: The safe answer is you're best off using either IBM-brand or Thinkpad Proven (tm) memory. Thinkpad Proven means IBM has tested the memory and pronounced it compatible so they will support it. Thinkpad Proven memory is made by Apricorn and maybe a few others. I may have a 32MB IBM-brand module for sale; email me if you're interested. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 13:07:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23584 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08366; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08257; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08224; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA14792 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA08329 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:03:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: Best memory for TP 600? In-Reply-To: <199808181655.JAA13455@netcom19.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Paul Rubin wrote: > The safe answer is you're best off using either IBM-brand or Thinkpad > Proven (tm) memory. Thinkpad Proven means IBM has tested the memory > and pronounced it compatible so they will support it. Thinkpad Proven > memory is made by Apricorn and maybe a few others. Kingston is pretty highly regarded too, although they tend to be pricier than generic 3rd party brands. Their web site says memory for the 600 is the same as for the 770. www.kingston.com -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 14:33:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24916 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13004; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:31:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12852; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12840; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:31:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from socrates (ts1p16.ro.com [205.216.92.36]) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21657 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 13:31:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199808181831.NAA21657@sh1.ro.com> Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 13:31:25 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199808170946.LAA01754@magrathea@stelarcom.de> Subject: Re: MWave modem trouble X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.46a b46 List-Unsubscribe: "Alexander Wagner" said the following on the auspicious date of 98-08-17: >On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:31:43 +0200, Bernd Meierhofer wrote: >Hi! >>I although had some troubles with the MWAVE-modem on my ThinkPad 770ED and >>760XD (using OS/2 4.0 and WinNT 4.0) when I changed the modem country >>settings from US to Austria. >I think that's the point. With the build in DAA in the US-Models MWave >modem will work only if switched to "US" in the country selection. I >think one doesn't switch between the countries one is traveling, but >between the commuication of MWave to the DAA, and foriegn DAA's seems to >have a diffrent protocol. I took long time to find this "bug" in the >docs, which say one must switch the country to the country where one is. >I thought of wrong cableing or something like that, tried nearly >everything and even don't get a dial-tone. I have never messed with the country setting before, but I did check its setting before sending my first email. I've set it twice to the US setting, which is the one that was already selected. >>After restoring the old settings the modem >>worked fine again. If you are using OS/2, ensure that the Modem ist >>started by using the "modem icon". >Ok, the modem must be started, but I think that's the case ;-) -- Yeah, that's how I'm starting the modem program. It comes up and never shows any activity, regardless what other programs do on the serial port. It makes the modem seem dead, but it used to work before I inadvertently messed up the MMPM/2 setup on my ThinkPad (the ThinkPad seems particularly picky about multimedia stuff). Now, restoring files from a backup of when the modem did work doesn't seem to help, and the MWave install program dies after the first disk (of course, the second disk has the modem stuff, and edits configuration files to complete the install). -------------------------------------------------- Windows95 -- An entomologist's dream Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ OS/2 WPS (Desktop) Tips, remote i-net dialup "Luncheon meats make the sawdust in your stomach explode." -- Crow T. Robot From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 15:25:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA25893 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16134; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:21:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15970; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15954; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07608; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:21:33 -1000 Message-ID: <002701bdcadd$82885d80$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: Best memory for TP 600? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:22:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Kingston is pretty highly regarded too, although they tend to be >pricier than generic 3rd party brands. Their web site says >memory for the 600 is the same as for the 770. I think that Kinston buys their modules from other manufacturers then slaps on a profit margin; I know that Visiontek claims at their website to sell memory to them. When I was looking for my 560 I found better prices on IBM-branded memory than on Kingston! Of course, this low price might have been at Buycomp, from whom I will never think of buying anything again. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 21:38:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01622 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04958; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:36:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04838; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04826; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amdk6 ([207.121.52.106]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 7360000 ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:48:06 -0400 Message-ID: <002f01bd1ca7$537a92e0$661cfea9@amdk6> From: "Slip" To: Subject: [TP ALL]Thinkpad hardrive covers... Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:35:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD1C7D.68B62860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD1C7D.68B62860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there, I recently bought a 2.5" to 3.5" hard drive adapter to use with my = TP701 harddrive. (only 7buks!) After looking at my HD more carefully, I = notices that the seemingly black drive is actually a normal drive = covered with some kind of adhesive paper. I sorta had to rip it to get = to the double row of connectors and jumpers. I need to know if it's ok = to pull it the rest of the way off, and why it's on there to begin with. = I'm thinking it's for humidity/dust protect, but since it's in the TP = 90% of the time, it wouldn't be a problem. I just need to be sure it's = safe before I go screwing a perfectly fine drive up...BTW-it's one of = the original 720MB HD's. Thanks a lot! -Jamie ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD1C7D.68B62860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey there,
    I recently bought a = 2.5" to=20 3.5" hard drive adapter to use with my TP701 harddrive. (only = 7buks!) After=20 looking at my HD more carefully, I notices that the seemingly black = drive is=20 actually a normal drive covered with some kind of adhesive paper. I = sorta had to=20 rip it to get to the double row of connectors and jumpers. I need to = know if=20 it's ok to pull it the rest of the way off, and why it's on there to = begin with.=20 I'm thinking it's for humidity/dust protect, but since it's in the TP = 90% of the=20 time, it wouldn't be a problem. I just need to be sure it's safe before = I go=20 screwing a perfectly fine drive up...BTW-it's one of the original 720MB=20 HD's.
Thanks a lot!
-Jamie
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BD1C7D.68B62860-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 21:46:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01693 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05357; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:44:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05280; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05261; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pault (client-151-200-127-151.bellatlantic.net [151.200.127.151]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id VAA19861 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001e01bdcb11$b42d6b80$03000004@pault> From: "Paul Thomson" To: Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:35:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: You can use the DOS "undelete" command if you haven't written to the drive since deleting. You'll have to guess the first character of the filenames, but I've successfully (and painstakingly)recovered this way. -----Original Message----- From: Fabian Rodriguez To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11:17 AM Subject: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD >Hi there, > >This morning while doing some deltrees I just did one I did not want to >on my Thinkpad 365XD. > >Do you guys know of any way to recover a "deltreed" directory? I was >using DOS command line after booting to DOS command prompt only (no >drivers loaded) and immediately suspended the computer after the >offending command. > >This machine has Win95 (not OSR2) installed on it, althoug I had just >deltreed the entire ProgramFiles directory too. the only thing remaining >on the machine is the Windows95 dir itself, and I did not reboot the >machine. This is onwe partition 1GB HD, no compression, nothing, >defragmented 2 days ago. > >If any, I'd rather have a DOS/disquette based solution... > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 22:09:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02129 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06310; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06233; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06220; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA18653 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDCAF4.90004650@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDCAF4.90004650@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Bay Area Computer Stores? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I'm about to embark on a vacation to the San Francisco Bay Area, and since this is quite possibly one of the last trips without non-geek SO-company, I might as well have a good look at the fabled geek-outlets of Silicon Valley... Can anyone on the list recommend any computer / tech / ham radio outlets in the wider SF bay area? greets, axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 18 22:25:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02369 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07021; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:23:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06936; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU (tokeru.geology.washington.edu [128.95.79.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06924; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808190223.WAA06924@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from tahini.geology.washington.edu by TOKERU.GEOLOGY.WASHINGTON.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 17 Aug 1988 19:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Victor Kress" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 19:24:02 +0500 Reply-To: "Victor Kress" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Victor Kress's Registered PMMail 1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Annoying details on TP600 under OS2 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, My not-so-new TP600 (the new price of which has dropped $500 in the 1.5 months I have owned it :) has been really great in all respects, except for two minor glitches, both under win16 in OS2. The most annoying happens under winos2, when I type too fast and manage to hit more than one key at once. The keyboard locks up completely. Fortunately, the mouse works fine, and I am able to save everything and shut down. Unfortunately, as you might expect, this only happens when I am in a desperate rush. I can generate this under all windows programs, but no OS2 programs. I cannot make this happen on any of my other OS2 machines (they are all set up as identical as I can make them). Problem two concerns the lack of third-button mouse scroll under winos2 sessions. It works fine under os2, linux and win95 (the latter just for games :). Does anybody have either of these problems? Thanks. ________________________________ Victor Kress Geological Sciences Box 351310 University of Washington Seattle, Washington 98195-1310 (206)616-8512 kress@u.washington.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 00:11:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA03803 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10204; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:09:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10082; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.tdl.com (tdl.tdl.com [204.182.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10070; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 00:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chuck (tdl-dyn110.tdl.com [205.162.12.110]) by tdl.tdl.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA06213 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:09:39 -0700 Message-Id: <199808190409.VAA06213@tdl.tdl.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:09:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Bay Area Computer Stores? Priority: normal In-reply-to: <01BDCAF4.90004650@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT List-Unsubscribe: On 18 Aug 98 at 22:07, Axel Hartmann wrote: > might as well have a good look at the fabled geek-outlets of Silicon Valley... > Can anyone on the list recommend any computer / tech / ham radio >outlets in the wider SF bay area? Suggest you post your request on the newsgroup ba.market.computers You'll get some answers, I'll bet. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 02:02:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05534 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13043; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12935; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12917; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p15.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.84]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA08490; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:57:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808190557.WAA08490@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Paul Thomson" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 22:59:11 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:35:49 -0400, Paul Thomson wrote: >You can use the DOS "undelete" command if you haven't written to the drive >since deleting. You'll have to guess the first character of the filenames, >but I've successfully (and painstakingly)recovered this way. I think you've also mentioned that you ran DEFRAG. If you did the deltree AFTER DEFRAG, then I wish you luck recovering the files, because DEFRAG almost COMPLETELY wipes them out. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 02:05:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA05613 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13238; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:03:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13159; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13127; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 02:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p15.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.84]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA08694; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808190559.WAA08694@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" , "Victor Kress" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 98 23:01:12 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Annoying details on TP600 under OS2 List-Unsubscribe: > >Does anybody have either of these problems? > Sometimes my keyboard temporarily locks up in OS/2 (the only OS I have on it), and if I try to type more, I get a beeping sound. And this too only happens on my 701, which is surprising considering OS/2's amazing type ahead features. Maybe it's related to the keyboard buffer? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 08:25:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09612 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28933; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:23:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28823; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from earth.webvis.net (mta@earth.webvis.net [207.226.179.131]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28810; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 600 ([210.24.101.60]) by earth.webvis.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-36477U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA11367 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:09:20 +0800 From: company@menard-cosmetics.com (Menard Cosmetics) To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Best memory for TP 600? Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:31:49 +0800 Message-ID: <000201bdcb6d$564554e0$032aa8c0@600.myoffice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3105.0 List-Unsubscribe: Although I would like to argue that the original IBM RAM would be best, currently I'm using the module from Transcend. I don't think they are the best, but they are cheap and so far not a single problem. Zac TP600 -----Original Message----- From: Jkhkjhu7yl@aol.com [mailto:Jkhkjhu7yl@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 1998 11:17 PM To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Best memory for TP 600? Apologies in advance, as this has surely been asked before, but what's the best source for Thinkpad 600 memory? Correct me if I'm wrong, but TP600 memory seems to be of a specialized sort, and also seems to have few legitimate suppliers. I'm looking to buy 32 or 64 MB, and while I'd like to pay the lowest price, I also want to be confident it'll work. Thank you for any help. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 08:42:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA09772 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29837; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:41:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29747; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cap1.CapAccess.org (ccarey@cap1.CapAccess.org [151.200.199.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29735; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ccarey@localhost) by cap1.CapAccess.org (8.6.12/8.6.10) id IAA03129; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:40:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian Carey To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: Bay Area Computer Stores? In-Reply-To: <01BDCAF4.90004650@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tuesday, 18th August 1998, Axel Hartmann wrote: > Can anyone on the list recommend any computer / tech / ham radio outlets > in the wider SF bay area? When I'm visiting the area, I like to stop at Fry's Electronics (a chain with many shops). There are also a couple of independent shops in Sunnyvale - their names currently escape me, but a look at the Yellow Pages should reveal them readily enough. Or perhaps some ThinkPad list member from the area can provide them? Christian. -- Christian CAREY From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 12:03:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12552 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11805; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:59:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11471; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11443; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA22423; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:59:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:59:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Menard Cosmetics cc: Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: RE: Best memory for TP 600? In-Reply-To: <000201bdcb6d$564554e0$032aa8c0@600.myoffice.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: What is your source or address for "Transcend" I use a tremendous amount of memory in our company and have never seen problems due to manufacturer yet... our only two failures in over 300 DIMMS and SIMMS purchased in on one IBM module and one Kingston module... and I haven't had to buy for a 600 yet But it is always good to have a large list of vendors > Although I would like to argue that the original IBM RAM would be best, > currently I'm using the module from Transcend. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 12:19:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA12738 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12878; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12795; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov ([208.239.204.222]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12783; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov ([208.239.204.220]) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA17467 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 000691F1; Wed, 19 Aug 98 09:19:24 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:17:44 -0700 Message-ID: <000691F1.001225@jud.ca.gov> From: Mitchell_Yee@jud.ca.gov (Mitchell Yee) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bay Area Computer Stores? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.465345309" List-Unsubscribe: --IMA.Boundary.465345309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I sent this to Axel, but seems others may be interested. ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Bay Area Computer Stores? Author: Mitchell Yee at TCFCPO Date: 8/19/98 9:16 AM first thing to do is grab a Microtimes - a Bay Area monthly rag. It's free and found on lots of street corners everywhere. Alternative rag: computer currents. but not as thick (200+pages). Microtimes is the shoppers bible here. Since I'm looking at mine now, I can tell you that there's a map in the back too. So there's no excuses. Suggested stores: 1. you gotta see the San Jose Fry's. 170,000 sq. ft of just about anything that plugs into electricity. Prices: ok. You can do better by mail order. They DON'T stock thinkpads. 2. Weird Stuff - great scrounger's warehouse. Lots of totally obsolete stuff. strange parts. lots of parts. Radio stuff too. Prices: cheap, if you know what you're looking for. 3. Halted specialties - see 2. more PC oriented. 4. Action Surplus - they don't advertise in microtimes. but if you want cheap software that is legal.... For example, I was buying for my clients lots of copies of NT Workstation 4.0 for $79 (full version), shoulda bought NT Server (10 client) for $499, etc. Mostly PC stuff, but some mac stuff. They're on Lawrence Expressway, near 101 (head south). Adjacent to Disk Drive Depot. Which is not quite what it sounds like, but they sometimes have ok prices. Nothing great. But, if you're building servers, they have decent stuff. Hope this helps, Mitchell ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Bay Area Computer Stores? Author: Axel Hartmann at Internet Date: 8/18/98 10:07 PM Hi all, I'm about to embark on a vacation to the San Francisco Bay Area, and since this is quite possibly one of the last trips without non-geek SO-company, I might as well have a good look at the fabled geek-outlets of Silicon Valley... Can anyone on the list recommend any computer / tech / ham radio outlets in the wider SF bay area? greets, axel ............................................................................ . Axel Hartmann . . Paper'n'People : 33 Meadow Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : +1 (413) 549 - 6113 , Fax on demand . ............................................................................ . Office : Dept. of Chemical Engineering; UMass; Amherst, MA 01003 . . Office Phone : +1 (413) 577 - 1235 Fax: +1 (413) 545 - 1649 . . E-Mail : axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu . . Homepage : http://rheoserver.pse.umass.edu/users/axel/index.html . ............................................................................ --IMA.Boundary.465345309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from mx.jud.ca.gov (208.239.204.222) by ima.jud.ca.gov with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 Enterprise) id 00068FEE; Tue, 18 Aug 98 19:14:23 -0700 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by mx.jud.ca.gov (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15257 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06316; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06233; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snail.ecs.umass.edu (snail.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.94]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06220; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu (rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu [128.119.71.47]) by snail.ecs.umass.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA18653 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu with Microsoft Mail id <01BDCAF4.90004650@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu>; Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:17 -0400 Message-ID: <01BDCAF4.90004650@rheoaxel.pse.umass.edu> From: Axel Hartmann To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Bay Area Computer Stores? Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: --IMA.Boundary.465345309-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 14:10:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA14349 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18709; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:08:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18523; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cgi.ca (mail.cgi.ca [207.164.202.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18508; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jaz017.cgi.ca ([192.168.20.248]) by mail.cgi.ca (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA782 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:12:10 -0400 Message-ID: <00e201bdcb9c$6eb786e0$f814a8c0@jaz017.cgi.ca> From: "F Rodriguez" To: Subject: Deltree Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:08:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BDCB7A.E751FA80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BDCB7A.E751FA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to those who replied to my DELTREE problem. After much remembering of old DOS days, I found out that Norton = Utilities comes with an UNERAS utility that can ben copied to a diskette = and used to fully recover from DELTREE. BTW, DELTREE is different from only DELETEing a file. And the DEFRAG I = did was made BEFORE the deltree, thus improving chances of recovery = (dont ask, it just happened that way). Just thought you might be interest in hearing that here in Montreal (QC) = Canada I called up some data recovery companies and they charged = anywhere from $50 to $100 for evaluation and $400 and up for recovery. = And it usually takes 1 week. -- Fabian Rodriguez ------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BDCB7A.E751FA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to those who replied to my = DELTREE=20 problem.
After much remembering of old DOS = days, I found=20 out that Norton Utilities comes with an UNERAS utility that can ben = copied to a=20 diskette and used to fully recover from DELTREE.
 
BTW, DELTREE is different from only DELETEing a = file. And the=20 DEFRAG I did was made BEFORE the deltree, thus improving chances of = recovery=20 (dont ask, it just happened that way).
 
Just thought you might be interest in hearing that = here in=20 Montreal (QC) Canada I called up some data recovery companies and they = charged=20 anywhere from $50 to $100 for evaluation and $400 and up for recovery. = And it=20 usually takes 1 week.
 
--
Fabian=20 Rodriguez
------=_NextPart_000_00DF_01BDCB7A.E751FA80-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 15:03:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15226 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21428; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21293; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21281; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JRAMINGO@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CLIDa11435 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2fc705a0.35db2040@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:58:06 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Dock I HD cable Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: I recently bought a Dock I for my TP 755C. I also bought a 2.5 HD to go in the Dock I. My problem is that I need a ribbon cable to connect the drive to the Dock. The drive is IDE, but the cable doesn't appear to be standard IDE. I believe it takes a different plug end (IDC plug??). Both places here with resident "experts" say there is no such cable and the drive can't be used. I don't think they're right. Can you help? What type of cable do I get and where can I get it? Any advice on CD's that will fit (and the cable) would be appreciated too. Thanks. John Albright (jramingo@aol.com) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 15:06:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15285 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21702; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:01:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21603; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21589; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:01:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JES560e@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CSDPa03745 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <965269a4.35db20cb@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:00:26 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 19:02:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19158 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03580; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:59:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03500; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03488; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:59:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a89.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.89]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA27250; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808192258.SAA27250@pike.sover.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:21:36 -0400 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <2fc705a0.35db2040@aol.com> Subject: Re: Dock I HD cable X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 List-Unsubscribe: I think Promise sells cables for 2.5 HDs. try www.promise.com >I recently bought a Dock I for my TP 755C. I also bought a 2.5 HD to go >in the Dock I. My problem is that I need a ribbon cable to connect the >drive to the Dock. The drive is IDE, but the cable doesn't appear to be >standard IDE. I believe it takes a different plug end (IDC plug??). Both >places here with resident "experts" say there is no such cable and the >drive can't be used. I don't think they're right. Can you help? What >type of cable do I get and where can I get it? Any advice on CD's that >will fit (and the cable) would be appreciated too. Thanks. >John Albright (jramingo@aol.com) _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 19:12:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19323 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04191; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:10:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04103; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lucy.az.com (lucy.az.com [204.201.18.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04075; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.az.com (seawesta-134.az.com [204.201.18.134]) by lucy.az.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22133 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808192305.QAA22133@lucy.az.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:10:21 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: HD problems & help finding a site X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b48 List-Unsubscribe: I've got 4 questions: 1: Awhile back while surfing IBM, I ran into a small directory that had drivers to allow OS/2 to at least read, if not write, files on Linux, NTFS, VFat, & Fat32 partitions. I did bookmark it but my system went south & the tape backup I was relying on did also (thanks again, BA/2 Pro, not the first time either). Anyway, I was wondering if anybody knew the URL, I can't seem to find it again. 2: Supposedly there is an unofficial ThinkPad site out there somewhere, can somebody please give me that URL. 3: The biggy. I've got a ThinkPad 760E. I recently bought an IBM 5.1 gig HD for it. It is the correct P/N for this machine. But there is a partition on it I can't get rid of at the beginning of the HD, nor can I format any others correctly. Under DOS, it says the drive has 4880mb & doesn't show the odd partition. Under OS/2, it comes up either 63mb or 31mb with a C: partition of 21 million megabytes. Nice to have the space but I'd hate to have to do the floppy shuffle to back it up :} . There is also a message that says the MBR is corrupted, do not add another one. You can add partitons to the drive but they all come out the same 21,000,000 mb. If you delete the C: partition, then the bad one goes back to 63mb. In all instances, all options are greyed out for the 63mb. I've tried to fix this under DOS, OS/2 & using Partition Magic. The only thing I haven't tried yet is something I found in the GammaTech Utilities that talks about zeroing out the entire MBR. Unfortunately, these things are IDE. If they were SCSI I could just low level format it. It is a new drive, but I bought it in an online auction so I can't take it to the dealer I bought it from (the guys on the other coast). Somebody mentioned something about needing a special driver for it due to it's size. I have the latest BIOS & utility upgrade from IBM but for some reason that doesn't seem to do the job even though it said it was supposed to support HD's that size. Clues??? 4: I also upgraded the RAM to 104 mb but it says I've only got 89 mb. Might be bad RAM, I've got some replacement RAM coming. It's made by Apricorn so I'm getting the good stuff. But does anybody know of anything in the 760E that would cause it to show less than what it has? It *is* supposed to take 104 mb. Thanks for any help... later...jerry (jfreeman@az.com) Wed, 08/19/98 at 03:48PM Mt. Baker OS/2 Users Group OS/2 Warp 4.....Because you deserve a better OS than one designed for games. ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 20:25:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20420 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06633; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:23:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06515; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06503; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.net (p190.sas3.dialup.lax1.flash.net [209.30.74.190]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01746 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:23:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35DB6D56.D5732617@flash.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:27:02 -0700 From: "Bob G." Reply-To: paphbob@flash.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD References: <199808190557.WAA08490@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul Khoury wrote: > I think you've also mentioned that you ran DEFRAG. If you did the deltree AFTER > DEFRAG, then I wish you luck recovering the files, because DEFRAG almost COMPLETELY > wipes them out. What do you mean "almost"! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 20:48:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20664 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07618; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:46:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07533; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07521; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg136-069.ricochet.net [204.179.136.69]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA18021 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002301bdcbd4$177ee7a0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:47:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: That seems like a similar usage of the word "almost" to the one I like best: almost pregnant. -----Original Message----- From: Bob G. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD > > >Paul Khoury wrote: > >> I think you've also mentioned that you ran DEFRAG. If you did the deltree AFTER >> DEFRAG, then I wish you luck recovering the files, because DEFRAG almost COMPLETELY >> wipes them out. > >What do you mean "almost"! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 21:13:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21111 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08708; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:12:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08614; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dandy.net (amadei@mail.dandy.net [206.135.129.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08602; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (amadei@localhost) by mail.dandy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA29999; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:42:14 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:42:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Amadei To: "Bob G." cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD In-Reply-To: <35DB6D56.D5732617@flash.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Paul Khoury wrote: > I think you've also mentioned that you ran DEFRAG. If you did the deltree AFTER > DEFRAG, then I wish you luck recovering the files, because DEFRAG almost COMPLETELY > wipes them out. Don't you mean that the other way around? If you run DEFRAG after DELTREE you will (almost) never get you files back. During the DEFRAG process, most of your files are copied _all over_ the hard drive in order to pack them in nice, contiguous pieces. This coping process, of course, overwrites the DELTREE'd files. If you run the DELTREE after DEFRAG, then the files will be easy to recover, since they were put in nice, contiguous pieces (at least in theory) by DEFRAG... and deleted after. The basics are this: if you delete _anything_ by accident, _STOP_ what you are doing and _UNDELETE_ it ASAP. Any file copied to the drive after a delete will overwrite the data, unless the data deleted resides out in the outer reaches of the HD. Of course, this is why recovering files on a real multitasking system or network server can be a real problem. But then again, none of us actually delete _important_ things, right? ;-) ----Steve Stephen Amadei Director of MIS Dandy Connections, Inc. Atlantic City, NJ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 21:41:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA21510 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09989; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:39:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09890; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09878; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.137.227]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980820013829.FGIZ3061@760> for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:38:29 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: SCSI on Dock 1 Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:36:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980820013829.FGIZ3061@760> List-Unsubscribe: What kind of external connector is on a Dock 1? Is it proprietary that I would need to buy a special IBM cable, or is it a standard 50 pin SCSI or whatever? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 22:00:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21757 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11067; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:54:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10960; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10936; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jim760ed (pm3-15.cyberramp.net [207.158.78.79]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980818-1007-MIME) with SMTP id UAA19192; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:53:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35DB2D41.15DB@cyberramp.net> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:53:37 +0000 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SCSI on Dock 1 References: <19980820013829.FGIZ3061@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Its a special IBM cable. Jim Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > What kind of external connector is on a Dock 1? > Is it proprietary that I would need to buy a special IBM cable, or is it a > standard 50 pin SCSI or whatever? > Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 19 22:26:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA22061 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12657; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:23:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12573; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from voicenet.com (mail12.voicenet.com [207.103.0.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12561; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808200223.WAA12561@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail 2314 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1998 02:23:34 -0000 Received: from dialup436-pri.voicenet.com (207.103.81.100) by mail12.voicenet.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1998 02:23:34 -0000 From: "Stuart Bogom" To: "jfreeman@az.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:20:00 +0500 Reply-To: "Stuart Bogom" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD problems & help finding a site List-Unsubscribe: A good place to start for all of your questions is: http://www.tpwarper.com You will find the answers to most of your questions there... Stuart Bogom On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:10:21 -0700, jfreeman@az.com wrote: > I've got 4 questions: From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 00:35:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23616 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17844; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:33:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17729; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17716; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA15697; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:33:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: jfreeman@az.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD problems & help finding a site In-Reply-To: <199808192305.QAA22133@lucy.az.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If you upgraded the RAM using a 64 Mb DIMM, the 760E disables 16 Mb of the base RAM on some models... if you used two 32 Mb DIMMS, I have no idea... but IBM put a notice out on this a long time ago... about how to mix and match... so that the base RAM doesn't get disabled when you add RAM... in some units it disables 8 Mb, others it disables 16 Mb... on some with the soldered in 32 Mb, it apparently can sometimes disable all of the soldered-in RAM... they fixed it later on.. When I notified my chip supplier (Coast to Coast or Chip Merchant) they exchanged the memory and charged me an extra $11 plus shipping... which was about their price difference... NECX checks this problem when you buy from them. Ray > 4: I also upgraded the RAM to 104 mb but it says I've only got 89 > mb. Might be bad RAM, I've got some replacement RAM coming. It's made by > Apricorn so I'm getting the good stuff. But does anybody know of > anything in the 760E that would cause it to show less than what it has? > It *is* supposed to take 104 mb. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 02:32:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25163 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20614; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:30:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20494; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.teleport.com (smtp2.teleport.com [192.108.254.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20482; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user2.teleport.com (usertest.teleport.com [192.108.254.19]) by smtp2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08886 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pccare@localhost) by user2.teleport.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id XAA20337; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick West To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: broken alt key Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I broke the right side alt key on my 360CSE. Any ideas where to buy one? And how to remove the old one? Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 02:46:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25309 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21102; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:44:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21021; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21007; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p00.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.69]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17647; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808200641.XAA17647@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David W. Taylor" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 98 23:42:49 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:47:19 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >That seems like a similar usage of the word "almost" to the one I like best: >almost pregnant. Okay, so I just subconsiously put it in. Just as long as it's not a term paper, I guess I'm okay. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 02:48:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25339 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21287; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:46:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21202; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21189; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p00.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.69]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17754; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808200642.XAA17754@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Stephen Amadei" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 98 23:44:22 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD List-Unsubscribe: > >The basics are this: if you delete _anything_ by accident, _STOP_ >what you are doing and _UNDELETE_ it ASAP. Any file copied to the >drive after a delete will overwrite the data, unless the data deleted >resides out in the outer reaches of the HD. > Okay, I admit, I goofed and didn't read the sentence right. I honestly read it the other way around. >Of course, this is why recovering files on a real multitasking system or >network server can be a real problem. But then again, none of us actually >delete _important_ things, right? ;-) > I'd hope not. Then again, does anyone here backup? I have yet to do so on my ThinkPad (and stick in a bigger HD). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 02:56:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA25448 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21817; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:55:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21737; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21722; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p00.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.69]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA18331; Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808200652.XAA18331@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "jfreeman@az.com" Date: Wed, 19 Aug 98 23:53:43 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD problems & help finding a site List-Unsubscribe: > 2: Supposedly there is an unofficial ThinkPad site out there >somewhere, can somebody please give me that URL. > The first one I don't know of, but this one is TOO easy. http://www.tpwarper.com or http://www.warpedthinkpads.simplenet.com (if it still works, otherwise try the first one). And my ThinkPad Assistant to HTML is found through links from the "Main Directory" on my website (see signature). I still have yet to add the 755 and 760 Pentiums, and maybe the newer ones (during a break for college). > 3: The biggy. I've got a ThinkPad 760E. I recently bought an IBM 5.1 >gig HD for it. It is the correct P/N for this machine. But there is a >partition on it I can't get rid of at the beginning of the HD, nor can I >format any others correctly. Under DOS, it says the drive has 4880mb & >doesn't show the odd partition. Under OS/2, it comes up either 63mb or >31mb with a C: partition of 21 million megabytes. Nice to have the space >but I'd hate to have to do the floppy shuffle to back it up :} . There >is also a message that says the MBR is corrupted, do not add another >one. You can add partitons to the drive but they all come out the same >21,000,000 mb. If you delete the C: partition, then the bad one goes >back to 63mb. In all instances, all options are greyed out for the 63mb. > Hmmm... Have you tried low level formatting it? Sounds like a software problem that can only be fixed with LLF. My hard drive in my 701 is this way, but I'm thankful that OS/2 has still been able to boot from it for almost a year this way... > I've tried to fix this under DOS, OS/2 & using Partition Magic. The >only thing I haven't tried yet is something I found in the GammaTech >Utilities that talks about zeroing out the entire MBR. Unfortunately, >these things are IDE. If they were SCSI I could just low level format >it. It is a new drive, but I bought it in an online auction so I can't >take it to the dealer I bought it from (the guys on the other coast). Again, try low level formatting it. You can low level format IDE HDs, contrary to what has been said (but I know what you mean about SCSI, they are easy to format when you have the right software, plus you can format multiple drives at once). >Somebody mentioned something about needing a special driver for it due >to it's size. I have the latest BIOS & utility upgrade from IBM but for >some reason that doesn't seem to do the job even though it said it was >supposed to support HD's that size. Clues??? > Probably not for a 5.1GB in your machine. If it was over 8GB, you might need a more recent version of IBM1S506.ADD for OS/2, so it can see the larger drive. > 4: I also upgraded the RAM to 104 mb but it says I've only got 89 >mb. Might be bad RAM, I've got some replacement RAM coming. It's made by >Apricorn so I'm getting the good stuff. But does anybody know of >anything in the 760E that would cause it to show less than what it has? >It *is* supposed to take 104 mb. > Are you sure that your particular model goes to 104MB, and not something like 90-ish? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 10:43:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00662 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12207; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:40:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12012; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11998; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa05739; 20 Aug 98 8:39 MDT Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:39:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: Paul Khoury cc: ThinkPad List , "David W. Taylor" Subject: Re: Ahh.. deltree blues on 365XD In-Reply-To: <199808200641.XAA17647@ritchie.loop.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > Date: Wed, 19 Aug 98 23:42:49 -0800 > From: Paul Khoury > >That seems like a similar usage of the word "almost" to the one I like best: > >almost pregnant. > > Okay, so I just subconsiously put it in. Just as long as it's not > a term paper, I guess I'm okay. Well... you're *almost* okay. ;> Larry Miller Administrador de Redes / Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 11:24:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01360 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14503; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14401; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asiaonline.net (asiaonline.net [202.85.0.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14389; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thunder (ip96_25.asiaonline.net [202.85.96.25]) by asiaonline.net (8.8.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA19541 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:20:35 +0800 (HKT) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980820112135.00685b78@asiaonline.net> X-Sender: matthewh@asiaonline.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:21:40 +0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Matthew Hung Subject: Unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 11:41:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01705 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15219; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:31:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15130; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hitel.net (ns.hitel.net [204.252.145.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15118; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tinititw.hitel.net ([210.114.3.210] (may be forged)) by mail.hitel.net (8.8.6H1/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA05747; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:30:03 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <003c01bdcc50$ece62e40$d20372d2@tinititw.hitel.net> From: "SeungJin Lee" To: "Slip" , Subject: Re: [TP ALL]Thinkpad hardrive covers... Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:40:50 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Zmlyc3Qgb2YgYWxsLCBpIHNob3VsZCB0ZWxsIGFib3V0IG15IHBvb3IgZW5nbGlzaC4gOigNCg0K aSBkaWQgdGhlIHNhbWUgdGhpbmcuDQppIHJlbW92ZWQgdGhlIGFkaGVzaXZlIHBhcGVyIGFuZCBz ZXBhcmF0ZWQgNzIwIG9yaWdpbmFsIGlibSBIREQgZnJvbSBjb25uZWN0b3IuDQphbmQgdGhlbiBp IGZpeGVkIDIuMUcgVG9zaGliYSBIREQuDQoNCmkgdGhvdWdodCBpYm0gd2FudGVkIHRvIGRvIGpv YiB0byBtYWtlIFBlcmZlY3QgNzAxLg0KdGhlIGFkaGVzaXZlIHBhcGVyIHdhcyB2ZXJ5IHN0aWNr eS4NCmkgZmVsdCBpYm0ncyBzdHJvbmcgd2lsbCBmcm9tIHRoZSBwYXBlci4gXl47DQoNCjIgbW9u dGhzIGhhdmUgcGFzc2VkIGFmdGVyIGkgZml4ZWQgMkdiLg0KaXQgc2VlbXMgbm8gcHJvYmxlbSB3 aXRob3V0IHRoZSBwYXBlci4NCg0KU2V1bmdKaW4gTGVlIGZyb20gS29yZWEuDQoNCiAgICANCiAg ICANCiAgICBIZXkgdGhlcmUsDQogICAgICAgIEkgcmVjZW50bHkgYm91Z2h0IGEgMi41IiB0byAz LjUiIGhhcmQgZHJpdmUgYWRhcHRlciB0byB1c2Ugd2l0aCBteSBUUDcwMSBoYXJkZHJpdmUuIChv bmx5IDdidWtzISkgQWZ0ZXIgbG9va2luZyBhdCBteSBIRCBtb3JlIGNhcmVmdWxseSwgSSBub3Rp Y2VzIHRoYXQgdGhlIHNlZW1pbmdseSBibGFjayBkcml2ZSBpcyBhY3R1YWxseSBhIG5vcm1hbCBk cml2ZSBjb3ZlcmVkIHdpdGggc29tZSBraW5kIG9mIGFkaGVzaXZlIHBhcGVyLiBJIHNvcnRhIGhh ZCB0byByaXAgaXQgdG8gZ2V0IHRvIHRoZSBkb3VibGUgcm93IG9mIGNvbm5lY3RvcnMgYW5kIGp1 bXBlcnMuIEkgbmVlZCB0byBrbm93IGlmIGl0J3Mgb2sgdG8gcHVsbCBpdCB0aGUgcmVzdCBvZiB0 aGUgd2F5IG9mZiwgYW5kIHdoeSBpdCdzIG9uIHRoZXJlIHRvIGJlZ2luIHdpdGguIEknbSB0aGlu a2luZyBpdCdzIGZvciBodW1pZGl0eS9kdXN0IHByb3RlY3QsIGJ1dCBzaW5jZSBpdCdzIGluIHRo ZSBUUCA5MCUgb2YgdGhlIHRpbWUsIGl0IHdvdWxkbid0IGJlIGEgcHJvYmxlbS4gSSBqdXN0IG5l ZWQgdG8gYmUgc3VyZSBpdCdzIHNhZmUgYmVmb3JlIEkgZ28gc2NyZXdpbmcgYSBwZXJmZWN0bHkg ZmluZSBkcml2ZSB1cC4uLkJUVy1pdCdzIG9uZSBvZiB0aGUgb3JpZ2luYWwgNzIwTUIgSEQncy4N CiAgICBUaGFua3MgYSBsb3QhDQogICAgLUphbWllDQo= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 12:44:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03020 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18798; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:38:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18596; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18579; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA32721; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:40:38 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:40:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: jfreeman@az.com Subject: Re: Partitions and such (was 4 questions) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Before doing a low-level format (which I've never done to an IDE drive), take a look at Ranish Partition Manager. It can write its own generic, compact or advanced boot block and MBR on an IDE drive. It's free, too. It's here: http://main.intercom.com/~ranish/part/ Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 12:54:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03136 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19339; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:50:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19248; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19225; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg131-098.ricochet.net [204.179.131.98]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06613; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:50:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808201650.LAA06613@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:44:21 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Bay Area Computer Stores? Cc: axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'll second Mitchell's recommendation of Action Computer (that's what they were called when I used to shop there--did they change the name to Action Surplus?). They've got more kinds of cables than you knew existed, cheaper than places like Fry's. I used to work a few blocks from there and always stopped in. Now it's a half-hour drive and I really miss the place. Once you get in that neighborhood, you can do some more exploring on foot. I often stopped by Disk Drive Depot just because it's next door, but never found anything I wanted to buy there. You're looking for a ham radio outlet? Ham Radio Outlet is in the next building to the right. A few doors farther down is the famous Mac store ComputerWare, and then the original Computer Literacy store (now a smallish branch--North First Street is their newer main store). I *think* these are all still there, but it's been a while since I've been over there. > > Subject: Bay Area Computer Stores? > Author: Axel Hartmann at Internet > > I'm about to embark on a vacation to the San Francisco Bay Area, and since > this is quite possibly one of the last trips without non-geek SO-company, I > might as well have a good look at the fabled geek-outlets of Silicon > Valley... > > Can anyone on the list recommend any computer / tech / ham radio outlets > in the wider SF bay area? -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 13:49:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04035 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22793; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:45:35 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22653; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA06701; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.wsdot.wa.gov (mail1.wsdot.wa.gov [164.110.100.178]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21256; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magnolia.WSDOT.WA.GOV (magnolia.wsdot.wa.gov [164.110.102.213]) by mail1.wsdot.wa.gov (8.7.5/8.7.5.96328) with SMTP id KAA03462 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by magnolia.WSDOT.WA.GOV with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.39) id <01BDCC24.253E22C0@magnolia.WSDOT.WA.GOV>; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:20:25 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jaeger Robert To: "'thinkpad list'" Subject: tp701 Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:15:12 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.996.39 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all; I'm considering buying a 701 for weight and portability improvements over my 760 and 755. Anybody in the Seattle or Bellevue area have one that I could touch, sometime this weekend? I would be interested in your thoughts about this compared with other light weight alternatives, too. Thanks for your help! Robert 206-781-3227 and rnj@jaegerdesigns.com or right now; 206-440-4741 and jaegerr@wsdot.wa.gov From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 14:04:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA04270 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23719; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23610; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23595; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Knobbe, Roger" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: port laptop case for 760xl Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:05:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I bought a "thinkpad" laptop case from onsale, and it turned out to have a sling for a 701. I have a 760. Does anybody know where I could get the appropriate sling? They just velcro in, so I would assume replacements are available. However, a quick scan on www.port.com didn't show the slings listed separately. thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 18:52:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09000 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08087; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:49:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07911; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07899; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:48:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MReagin@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CZIGa02729 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92395cf1.35dca7b6@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:48:21 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Unsubscribe Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 20 19:33:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09733 for ; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09457; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:31:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09357; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f205.hotmail.com [207.82.251.96]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09345; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26629 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1998 23:31:23 -0000 Message-ID: <19980820233123.26628.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 164.67.169.10 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:31:23 PDT X-Originating-IP: [164.67.169.10] From: "Ed Urenda" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM PC 110 for sale Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 16:31:23 PDT List-Unsubscribe: I have a pc110 for sale with the following specifications: 12 mb ram 260 MB IBM type III pcmcia 2400 bps modem all original manuals, software, sales receipt no dock or floppy, but pc-card should work in any laptop Currently has Windows 3.1/DR-DOS 7.0 with MS-works 3.0b, meeting maker 5.03, and internet software (netscape 2.02, trumpet winsock 2.1, eudora 2.2, ws_ftp, winzip) which I can leave if you have these licensed. I can install any OS of your choice if you have difficulty getting a laptop with a type III slot (including Linux). Asking for $425 plus shipping charges. E. Urenda eurenda@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 11:53:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25564 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13741; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:48:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13410; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.9]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13390; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA05107; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:45:24 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08906; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:45:54 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:45:54 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <199808211545.IAA08906@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 770E/ED new BIOS and Unix (Solaris) and/or linux Cc: solaris-x86@webpro.eis.com, Karim.Meghabber@gecits-eu.com, nnylfv@ny.ubs.com, ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Has anyone tried the new 770 BIOS with the 770E/ED and versions of UNIX/linux to see if APM/other things work better? (New bios was put on the IBM site last Monday - I just got a 770E and was told by IBM to try it to possibly solve a Selectadock II problem. New BIOS version is 1.22, 97H4133, dated 08/07/98, for 770/770E/770ED - supposed to have a new APCI rev, fix some suspend/resume errors in NT and/or 98 and if in docking stations, etc.) Specifically I'm curious if anyone has gotten Solaris x86 version 2.6 DU3 to work. If not, does linux work on a 770E? (I've not tried it before but I have run Solaris 2.5.1 and 2.6 on 755CX and 765D ThinkPads). I know that I'll have to get a different x-server for Solaris for the 4 MB Trident video if Solaris itself works. PCMCIA is the other real question. The 770E/ED is supposed to have the TI1250A vs the 1250 for the 770. I know that a fixed 2.6 pcic driver works with the 770 but I don't know about the 770E ... I'm trying to decide if I should attempt Solaris or linux. I have no idea if the new BIOS would effect the operation of either. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 15:38:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29353 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28350; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:35:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28130; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28116; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA02368; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:35:14 -1000 Message-ID: <000101bdcd3a$e8425360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: [TP560] External microphone recommendation Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:35:50 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: The 560 (and some other ThinkPads) requires a fairly high-powered external microphone. On their web site they recommend using an external signal amplifier. However, there is a powered metal ring around the mike opening, presumably so that some mikes could draw their power from this ring. Does anyone know of any mikes that can actually use this power, or otherwise have a recommendation for an external microphone that works well with these machines? Of course, the mikes sold at most stores basically won't work at all. David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 18:46:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02745 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07499; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:44:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07370; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hep.Physics.McGill.CA (hep.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.6.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07358; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my-dejanews.com ([198.168.189.233]) by hep.Physics.McGill.CA with SMTP; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DDF81C.BE5F913F@my-dejanews.com> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:43:41 -0400 From: "A. Kellerbauer" Organization: McGill University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops To: ThinkPad mailing list CC: Michael Geary Subject: Adaptec APA-1480 Card Bus card on ThinkPad 76x under Windows NT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Since a few people had reported that Card Bus cards do work on the ThinkPads 76x, I bought an Adaptec APA-1480 SCSI host adaptor. Now the big questions is: How do I get it to work? I understand that I have to disable the PC Card Director and enable PC Card Support in the ThinkPad Configuration. But somehow the checkbox "Enable Card Bus" is unchecked again everytime I exit and restart the Configuration utility, even when I restart in between. How do I install the drivers, and which drivers should I use? The drivers that come with the card and the ones on the web site are clearly for Windows 95 only. With the PC Card Director uninstalled, a big red cross is displayed in the PC Card Control Panel applet over the slot in which the card is inserted. Any help is much appreciated. Alban From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 20:02:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA03934 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09972; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:59:34 -0400 Received: from spot.cs.utk.edu (SPOT.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.189]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09836; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by spot.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id TAA20914; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09755; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.43] (SoCal56k143.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.43]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA22439; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:57:24 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35DDF81C.BE5F913F@my-dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:54:37 -0700 To: ThinkPad mailing list From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Adaptec APA-1480 Card Bus card on ThinkPad 76x under Windows NT Cc: Michael Geary List-Unsubscribe: At 3:43 PM -0700 8/21/98, A. Kellerbauer wrote: >Since a few people had reported that Card Bus cards do work on the >ThinkPads 76x, I bought an Adaptec APA-1480 SCSI host adaptor. >Now the big questions is: How do I get it to work? I understand that I FWIW I just bought a Adaptec 358 EPP-SCSI on ebay, they seem common and sell for about $30 (guy in Texas has many of them apparently). I won't have my unit for a couple weeks, but I have high hopes it will be at least fast enough to burn a couple backup CDs. Supposed to be PNP with W95, so I started praying. ;) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 20:53:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA04789 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11911; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:51:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11794; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11782; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:51:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a65.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.65]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA29979; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808220051.UAA29979@pike.sover.net> Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:43:02 -0400 To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <000101bdcd3a$e8425360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] External microphone recommendation X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 List-Unsubscribe: I>The 560 (and some other ThinkPads) requires a fairly high-powered >external microphone. On their web site they recommend using an external >signal amplifier. However, there is a powered metal ring around the mike >opening, presumably so that some mikes could draw their power from this >ring. Does anyone know of any mikes that can actually use this power, or >otherwise have a recommendation for an external microphone that works >well with these machines? Of course, the mikes sold at most stores >basically won't work at all. The Andrea mics that come with OS2 (and I think Via Voice) all require the external power supply, that holds 2 AAA batteries. I got mine by calling IBM, who gave me an account number to give Andrea, who them shipped it free of charge. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 22:33:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06135 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14881; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:30:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14792; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (qmailr@airbus.mayn.de [194.95.209.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14780; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32078 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1998 02:30:40 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.95.209.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 22 Aug 1998 02:30:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5010 invoked by uid 5); 22 Aug 1998 02:30:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19980822023006.5009.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from bedrock.mayn.de by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for multiple addresses; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:13:12 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "Paul Khoury" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sat, 22 Aug 98 00:13:11 +0100 Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.91 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ELM for OS/2, was: Re: PCMCIA Ethernet on Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 15 Aug 98 22:24:03 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote: >Also, a side question (respond privately on this one, unless someone >else on the list knows about ELM) - how did you install ELM for OS/2? I I got a pre-configured uucp-package from my uucp-Provider that contains elm and tin. They use uupc/extended's own "mail.exe" and no smtp or pop3. I can send you an archive if you wish. --- kind regards, Rainer Feuerstein From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 21 23:17:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06858 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15919; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:15:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15835; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15822; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA04172; Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:15:44 -1000 Message-ID: <001301bdcd7b$3eda3040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: [TP560] External microphone recommendation Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:16:20 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >The Andrea mics that come with OS2 (and I think Via Voice) all require the >external power supply, that holds 2 AAA batteries. I know that Andrea sells this power supply booster (for about $15); I was hopping that someone would know of a microphone that actually used the Thinkpad's built-in power supply ring. (If they don't exist, why would IBM have made a ring like this?) - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:27:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA08978 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18915; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:25:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18788; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18775; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-063.ricochet.net [204.179.134.63]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA04026; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:25:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808220525.AAA04026@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:24:56 -0700 To: "A. Kellerbauer" , ThinkPad mailing list From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Adaptec APA-1480 Card Bus card on ThinkPad 76x under Windows NT In-Reply-To: <35DDF81C.BE5F913F@my-dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:43 PM 8/21/98 , A. Kellerbauer wrote: >Since a few people had reported that Card Bus cards do work on the >ThinkPads 76x, I bought an Adaptec APA-1480 SCSI host adaptor. >Now the big questions is: How do I get it to work? I understand that I >have to disable the PC Card Director and enable PC Card Support in the >ThinkPad Configuration. But somehow the checkbox "Enable Card Bus" is >unchecked again everytime I exit and restart the Configuration utility, >even when I restart in between. >How do I install the drivers, and which drivers should I use? The >drivers that come with the card and the ones on the web site are clearly >for Windows 95 only. >With the PC Card Director uninstalled, a big red cross is displayed in >the PC Card Control Panel applet over the slot in which the card is >inserted. I didn't do any of that stuff to get mine going. I don't have Card Director installed, although I did at one time. The 1480 seems to work the same with or without it. I don't know if I looked at the PC Card section of the ThinkPad Configuration program before, but looking just now, I see that Enable CardBus is *not* checked. I do have the red X's in the PC Card control panel, on both card slots. Never looked at those before either. (I have two CardBus cards installed, the 1480A and a Xircom 10/100.) I used the NT drivers from Adaptec's web site and followed the instructions in the readme.txt file. It was basically a no-brainer install. I didn't have to fiddle with any other settings that I recall, it just worked. But you don't have the driver--that would make it difficult! I couldn't figure out what you meant about Adaptec's Web site, but now I just looked and I can't find the NT driver either. I know I downloaded it--I have the file right here--but I can't figure out why I don't see it on the site anymore. Anyway, I'll email you the driver file under separate cover--it's not too big, only a 195K self-extracting exe. That should get you going OK. -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:36:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09263 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19190; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:30:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19114; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19102; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA11086; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5832.960B2049@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:33:38 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, axhartma@risky.ecs.umass.edu Subject: Re: Bay Area Computer Stores? References: <199808201650.LAA06613@rgate2.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try HalTek in mountain view and halted in sunnyvale.. i know haltek is still there, not sure about halted.. there is also Fry's in santa clara, off lawrence expressway.. note: Frys data is a bit old.. like 10 years old.. but they will be someplace there in the valley.. Michael Geary wrote: > I'll second Mitchell's recommendation of Action Computer (that's what they > were > called when I used to shop there--did they change the name to Action > Surplus?). > They've got more kinds of cables than you knew existed, cheaper than places > like Fry's. I used to work a few blocks from there and always stopped in. Now > it's a half-hour drive and I really miss the place. > > Once you get in that neighborhood, you can do some more exploring on foot. I > often stopped by Disk Drive Depot just because it's next door, but never found > anything I wanted to buy there. You're looking for a ham radio outlet? Ham > Radio Outlet is in the next building to the right. A few doors farther down is > the famous Mac store ComputerWare, and then the original Computer Literacy > store (now a smallish branch--North First Street is their newer main store). > > I *think* these are all still there, but it's been a while since I've been > over > there. > > > > > Subject: Bay Area Computer Stores? > > Author: Axel Hartmann at Internet > > > > I'm about to embark on a vacation to the San Francisco Bay Area, and since > > this is quite possibly one of the last trips without non-geek SO-company, I > > might as well have a good look at the fabled geek-outlets of Silicon > > Valley... > > > > Can anyone on the list recommend any computer / tech / ham radio outlets > > in the wider SF bay area? > > -Mike > > http://www.geary.com > mailto:mg@mg.to > ham:WJ6V -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:43:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09370 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19804; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:42:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19727; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19715; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA12634; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5AEE.47928203@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:45:18 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jfreeman@az.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: HD problems & help finding a site References: <199808192305.QAA22133@lucy.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jerry.. jfreeman@az.com wrote: **snip** > 2: Supposedly there is an unofficial ThinkPad site out there > somewhere, can somebody please give me that URL. > http://thinkpads.com > 3: The biggy. I've got a ThinkPad 760E. I recently bought an IBM 5.1 > gig HD for it. It is the correct P/N for this machine. But there is a > partition on it I can't get rid of at the beginning of the HD, nor can I > format any others correctly. Under DOS, it says the drive has 4880mb & > doesn't show the odd partition. Under OS/2, it comes up either 63mb or > 31mb with a C: partition of 21 million megabytes. Nice to have the space > but I'd hate to have to do the floppy shuffle to back it up :} . There > is also a message that says the MBR is corrupted, do not add another > one. You can add partitons to the drive but they all come out the same > 21,000,000 mb. If you delete the C: partition, then the bad one goes > back to 63mb. In all instances, all options are greyed out for the 63mb. > > I've tried to fix this under DOS, OS/2 & using Partition Magic. The > only thing I haven't tried yet is something I found in the GammaTech > Utilities that talks about zeroing out the entire MBR. Unfortunately, > these things are IDE. If they were SCSI I could just low level format > it. It is a new drive, but I bought it in an online auction so I can't > take it to the dealer I bought it from (the guys on the other coast). > Somebody mentioned something about needing a special driver for it due > to it's size. I have the latest BIOS & utility upgrade from IBM but for > some reason that doesn't seem to do the job even though it said it was > supposed to support HD's that size. Clues??? I have NO CLUE as to what is wrong with the 5gig drive..4880 sounds about right (without looking at one right this instant) who did you get the 5gig from..?? have you tried clearing it off and starting from scratch with fdisk..?? if you DO low level format it, be sure its up to operating temperature.. also, just for laughs, i assume that your bios is up to date.. > > > 4: I also upgraded the RAM to 104 mb but it says I've only got 89 > mb. Might be bad RAM, I've got some replacement RAM coming. It's made by > Apricorn so I'm getting the good stuff. But does anybody know of > anything in the 760E that would cause it to show less than what it has? > It *is* supposed to take 104 mb. > somethings wrong..check each of the 32meg parts in the original carrier.. one at a time.. (should show 48megs, if the standard IBM DIMM carrier has 8megs on it) then check the dimm carrier.. (should show 40megs) the total memory should be 104megs.. period.. if not, then something is bad and needs to be replaced.. Apricorn memory all has lifetime warranty.. and any good memory should work with the apricorn 32meg DIMM carrier.. > Thanks for any help... > > later...jerry (jfreeman@az.com) Wed, 08/19/98 at 03:48PM Mt. Baker > OS/2 Users Group > OS/2 Warp 4.....Because you deserve a better OS than one designed for > games. ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:46:35 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09390 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20023; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:44:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19945; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19933; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-063.ricochet.net [204.179.134.63]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA05089; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:44:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808220544.AAA05089@rgate.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:44:00 -0700 To: "A. Kellerbauer" , ThinkPad mailing list From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: Adaptec APA-1480 Card Bus card on ThinkPad 76x under Windows NT In-Reply-To: <35DDF81C.BE5F913F@my-dejanews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: One more note about the 1480... My 760E is running NT4 Server, but I think the 1480A should work the same under Workstation. It's on SP3 now, but was SP1 when I installed the 1480A. The card works fine under either service pack. The only problem occurred when I installed SP3--that broke the 1480, with lots of PC card errors in the event log. I reinstalled the 1480 driver and that fixed everything. Can't think of anything else to tell you--let me know how that driver I sent you works out... -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:49:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09419 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20200; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:45:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20124; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20103; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA13122; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5BCF.8BFD1797@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:49:03 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick West CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: broken alt key References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Patrick.. the Alt. key will pull up and off.. there is a little metal bail under it so be careful that you don't break the tiny plastic 'hooks' under the keytop.. also don't loose the rubber 'spring'.. i have a spare keyboard from a dead machine.. drop me a line and we'll work something out.. Patrick West wrote: > Folks, > > I broke the right side alt key on my 360CSE. Any ideas where to buy one? > And how to remove the old one? > > Patrick West , using OS/2 Warp > PGP Key fingerprint = F9 95 AE C6 06 B3 E5 16 DE 51 21 A4 C9 DF DF 8D > Key available from pgp-public-keys@pgp.mit.edu -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:53:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09485 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20522; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:48:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20442; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20389; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA13356; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5C50.3227EF0F@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:51:12 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bruce Markowitz CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: SCSI on Dock 1 References: <19980820013829.FGIZ3061@760> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. its been a while, but i think it is a standars SCSI connector on the back of the DOCK-1 Bruce Markowitz wrote: > What kind of external connector is on a Dock 1? > Is it proprietary that I would need to buy a special IBM cable, or is it a > standard 50 pin SCSI or whatever? > Thanks! -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:57:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09518 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20735; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:51:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20655; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20643; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA13662; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5CFF.968B0E5@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:54:07 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JRAMINGO@aol.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dock I HD cable References: <2fc705a0.35db2040@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You'll need an adapter, but the drive should be able to be used in your dock.. IF it has an IDE connector.. the 2.5inch HDD's use a 2mm ribbon cable and 2mm spacing on the headers.. 3.5 inch HDD's use a 2.5mm spacing.. need to know more to say FUR SURE if the HDD will work.. :-) JRAMINGO@aol.com wrote: > I recently bought a Dock I for my TP 755C. I also bought a 2.5 HD to go in > the Dock I. My problem is that I need a ribbon cable to connect the drive to > the Dock. The drive is IDE, but the cable doesn't appear to be standard IDE. > I believe it takes a different plug end (IDC plug??). Both places here with > resident "experts" say there is no such cable and the drive can't be used. I > don't think they're right. Can you help? What type of cable do I get and > where can I get it? Any advice on CD's that will fit (and the cable) would > be appreciated too. Thanks. > > John Albright (jramingo@aol.com) -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 01:58:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA09528 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21084; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:55:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21004; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20974; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA14137; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5DCC.35D96C0D@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:57:32 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Bayles CC: Menard Cosmetics , Thinkpad Mailing List Subject: Re: Best memory for TP 600? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM buys their memory form many sources.. goldenram, apricorn, apex, SEC to name a few.. then IBM puts their label on it and thats that.. the 600 uses the same memory as the 770 series.. Ray Bayles wrote: > What is your source or address for "Transcend" > > I use a tremendous amount of memory in our company and have > never seen problems due to manufacturer yet... our only two > failures in over 300 DIMMS and SIMMS purchased in on one IBM > module and one Kingston module... and I haven't had to > buy for a 600 yet > > But it is always good to have a large list of vendors > > > Although I would like to argue that the original IBM RAM would be best, > > currently I'm using the module from Transcend. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 02:02:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09778 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21503; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:59:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21395; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21358; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA14682; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE5EE9.5278A1E1@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:02:17 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Khoury CC: Thinkpad mailing list , Victor Kress Subject: Re: Annoying details on TP600 under OS2 References: <199808190559.WAA08694@ritchie.loop.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Paul.. this sure sounds like the keyboard buffer is filling up.. possibly due to some app using ALL the cpu time and the cpu is then unable to process the characters in the buffer.. thus the beep.. check cpu useage when this happens.. Paul Khoury wrote: > > > >Does anybody have either of these problems? > > > > Sometimes my keyboard temporarily locks up in OS/2 (the only OS I have on it), > and if I try to type more, I get a beeping sound. And this too only happens on my 701, > which is surprising considering OS/2's amazing type ahead features. > > Maybe it's related to the keyboard buffer? > > -- > Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 > http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 > ICQ#14582895 -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 02:06:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA09871 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21976; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:05:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21899; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21887; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (212.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.212]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA17633; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35DE6063.BFDC6C31@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:08:35 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CaptJHEM@waterw.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 365E References: <199807250325.UAA08213@stevie.loop.com> <199808181349.JAA04129@water.waterw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like the trackpoint ribbon cable might be going bye-bye.. have you tried an external mouse, just to rule out any opther source of this failure..?? the trackpoint CAN be replaced but its sure to be difficult disassembling the kbd and all.. :-) James H. E. Maugham wrote: > Hello again all, I'm back from Alaska and what a magnificent trip I had. Anyone > thinking of cruising the inside passage is welcome to send me mail for some > tips and thoughts. > > With regard to Thinkpads, while I had my 760 with me, "She Who Must Be Obeyed" > forbade its use so I've been off the list for two weeks suffering withdrawal > pains. > > I picked up a TP365E at a garage sale in Anchorage (the price was EXTREMELY > right) in good working order and with a fresh battery. Only problem with it > (other than the fact that this is a VERY basic machine) is that the IPD will > frequently report a failure on boot or WIN95 will report no pointing device > available on startup. > > Anyone have any ideas on why I get this intermittent failure? I've re-seated > all of the connecters and upgraded the BIOS to the most recent version > available from the IBM FTP, but continue to get the failure on boot. > > Regards, > > James > > In the Heart of the Pine Barrens 39 54 03 N, 74 49 26 W > Sailboat free 'til 2003! -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 06:32:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA12829 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02245; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:30:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02118; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02106; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (bing228.net108.binghamton.edu [128.226.108.228]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA05510 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808221030.GAA05510@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 06:30:20 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ken Subject: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My Thinkpad 770ED supposedly comes with an 8.1GB hard drive. The machine was preconfigured with Windows 95. It came with a drive C, reported as 1.99GB, and a drive D, reported as 5.61GB, FAT32. This doesn't appear to add up to 8.1GB. Also, Norton Utilities 3.0 (which seems to recognize FAT32, according to the documentation) is completely unable to scan my drive D, and when it scans C from a command prompt, it reports an invalid partitioning and wants to correct it. Is this a standard problem? Is it not a problem at all? Am I missing something? Thanks to anyone who can help me. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 07:48:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA13835 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03511; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:47:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03393; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03374; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 07:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.152.127.170] (helo=moab.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zAC8e-0001gW-00; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:47:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:33:01 +0100 To: David Ross Cc: ThinkPad List From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: [TP560] External microphone recommendation In-Reply-To: <000101bdcd3a$e8425360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 List-Unsubscribe: In message <000101bdcd3a$e8425360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu>, David Ross writes >The 560 (and some other ThinkPads) requires a fairly high-powered external >microphone. On their web site they recommend using an >external signal amplifier. However, there is a powered metal ring around the >mike opening, presumably so that some mikes could draw >their power from this ring. Does anyone know of any mikes that can actually use >this power, or otherwise have a recommendation for >an external microphone that works well with these machines? You need an adaptor that plugs into the mike socket and the microphone cable. It picks up the power from the metal ring. I use a Talk-Mic (on a 760CD and 770) which is made for Talking Technologies in the UK by Andrea. I also got the adaptor from Talking Technologies - go to http://www.talk-systems.com/. Those mikes are available in US and if you email Talking Technologies I'm sure they'll tell you where you can get one. A ThinkPad adaptor also came with VV98 Exec and has an IBM part number 04L8782. The voice-users mailing list is also useful - go to http://www.voicerecognition.com/voice-users for subscription information. -- Greg Terrell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 09:05:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14741 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05399; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:04:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05314; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05302; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (asc124.idsonline.com [207.176.21.124]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09771 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:06:03 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Arthur Salzberg" To: "ThinkPad Users Group (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:03:29 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdcdcd$511592c0$7c15b0cf@asalzberg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: You have a threefold problem shared by all 770ED with the 8.1 GB drive. First, although FAT32 supports drives up to 2 terabytes in size, the boot partition may not be larger than 7.8 GB due to hardware limitations of INT13. In any event IBM *requires* that you leave the boot partition FAT 16 which means you cannot exceed 2 gigs. See http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.asp Second, IBM improperly formatted your harddrive--the ending sector is not correct. Does Scandisk run? If not, see http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12dca.html which documents the problem and fix for the ThinkPad 770ED - Scandisk failure with 8 GB hard drive. That will most likely also fix your problem with NU3. Third, b/c of the odd drive geometry, neither Partition It by Quarterdeck nor (I believe) Partition Magic by PowerQuest will allow you to manually adjust the partition sizes of the 8.1 shipped on your 77ED unless you use Norton's Disk Edit or Debug to force the drive to report a different ending sector. But this will result in loss of some 250 mg of disk space. BTW, none of these "problems" are "serious"--just annoyances. Best of luck -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:kenzo@free-music.com] Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 6:30 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? My Thinkpad 770ED supposedly comes with an 8.1GB hard drive. The machine was preconfigured with Windows 95. It came with a drive C, reported as 1.99GB, and a drive D, reported as 5.61GB, FAT32. This doesn't appear to add up to 8.1GB. Also, Norton Utilities 3.0 (which seems to recognize FAT32, according to the documentation) is completely unable to scan my drive D, and when it scans C from a command prompt, it reports an invalid partitioning and wants to correct it. Is this a standard problem? Is it not a problem at all? Am I missing something? Thanks to anyone who can help me. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 09:08:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14808 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05636; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:06:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05558; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ids2.idsonline.com (ids2.idsonline.com [205.177.236.32]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05528; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asalzberg (asc124.idsonline.com [207.176.21.124]) by ids2.idsonline.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA09846 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:08:15 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Arthur Salzberg" To: Subject: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:05:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bdcdcd$9e2ed120$7c15b0cf@asalzberg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: You have a threefold problem shared by all 770ED with the 8.1 GB drive. First, although FAT32 supports drives up to 2 terabytes in size, the boot partition may not be larger than 7.8 GB due to hardware limitations of INT13. In any event IBM *requires* that you leave the boot partition FAT 16 which means you cannot exceed 2 gigs. See http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q154/9/97.asp Second, IBM improperly formatted your harddrive--the ending sector is not correct. Does Scandisk run? If not, see http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12dca.html which documents the problem and fix for the ThinkPad 770ED - Scandisk failure with 8 GB hard drive. That will most likely also fix your problem with NU3. Third, b/c of the odd drive geometry, neither Partition It by Quarterdeck nor (I believe) Partition Magic by PowerQuest will allow you to manually adjust the partition sizes of the 8.1 shipped on your 77ED unless you use Norton's Disk Edit or Debug to force the drive to report a different ending sector. But this will result in loss of some 250 mg of disk space. BTW, none of these "problems" are "serious"--just annoyances. Best of luck -----Original Message----- From: Ken [mailto:kenzo@free-music.com] Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 6:30 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? My Thinkpad 770ED supposedly comes with an 8.1GB hard drive. The machine was preconfigured with Windows 95. It came with a drive C, reported as 1.99GB, and a drive D, reported as 5.61GB, FAT32. This doesn't appear to add up to 8.1GB. Also, Norton Utilities 3.0 (which seems to recognize FAT32, according to the documentation) is completely unable to scan my drive D, and when it scans C from a command prompt, it reports an invalid partitioning and wants to correct it. Is this a standard problem? Is it not a problem at all? Am I missing something? Thanks to anyone who can help me. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 10:48:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16021 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08475; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:46:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08347; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (root@pike.sover.net [204.71.16.17]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08332; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from MYHOSTNAME (usr2a37.burl.sover.net [207.136.201.37]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA10931; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808221445.KAA10931@pike.sover.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:40:42 -0400 To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" In-Reply-To: <001301bdcd7b$3eda3040$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] External microphone recommendation X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b50 List-Unsubscribe: >I know that Andrea sells this power supply booster (for about $15); I was >hopping that someone would know of a microphone that actually used the >Thinkpad's built-in power supply ring. (If they don't exist, why would >IBM have made a ring like this?) I don't know if such mics exist or not. I was told a year ago that no mic worked with the Thinkpads without an adapter, and that this was because the intention of the design was to conserve the battery. Maybe there is power at the jack because some kind of pilot signal is needed? Or maybe IBM was ahead of the industry, which hasn't developed such a mic yet. [I've heard that the spec. for the EPP parallel port was in the original IBM AT specs. but no one used it because Microsoft couldn't figure out what to do with it.] If you have an IBM voice product (including OS2),You don't have to buy it. IBM (I don't remember the number I used) gives out a charge number, and Andrea ships the adapter on it. _____________ letoured@sover.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 11:02:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16134 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08948; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:00:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08869; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08857; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slip-32-100-60-225.nm.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-60-225.nm.us.ibm.net [32.100.60.225]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA104650 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:00:24 GMT Message-Id: <199808221500.PAA104650@out1.ibm.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:00:31 MST To: Thinkpad List From: "J. Michael Stolp" Reply-to: "J. Michael Stolp" X-Mailer: J Street Mailer (build 98.6.3) Subject: W95 TP Color Schemes to W98 or NT? List-Unsubscribe: I purchased a TP770 that came preloaded with W95. It had some customized Thinkpad Color or Desktop Theme schemes that provided for customized colors, desktop bitmap and sound files. Is there anyway to migrate these type customizations from the old W95 which is still on an extra 770 harddrive to a new clean install on a new harddrive for the 770? What files am I looking for, and where are they located? Thanks in advance. Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, C.P.A., Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Phoenix--Santa Fe--Albuquerque Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 602/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 Written at 08:59:55 on 22 Aug 98. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 11:40:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA16719 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10004; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:38:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09908; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09895; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA06214; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:38:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: "J. Michael Stolp" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: W95 TP Color Schemes to W98 or NT? In-Reply-To: <199808221500.PAA104650@out1.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If your purchased from IBM or a complete IBM-produced box, you image disk (recovery disk) will have an identical set of what you had on your computer. If you try to change the Windows 95 stuff by upgrading or replacing, you will lose access to that extra stuff... at least that's what I have learned from my own experience. It is pretty difficult to do it any other way but there are some software packages such as "Diskdrive" that will enable you to make a duplicate hard drive... > Is there anyway to migrate these type customizations from the old W95 which > is still on an extra 770 harddrive to a new clean install on a new harddrive > for the 770? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 12:18:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17197 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11148; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:17:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11060; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11033; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23306; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA17435; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256668.0059E196 ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:21:44 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Ray Bayles cc: "J. Michael Stolp" , Thinkpad List Message-ID: <85256668.0059E0CC.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:16:03 -0400 Subject: Re: W95 TP Color Schemes to W98 or NT? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Just copy the contents of your Windows\Media directory and you'll get the bitmaps and waves that came with the ThinkPad... If you have Plus! installed, this is typically found in C:\Program Files\Plus!. You should install the Win98 Plus! right over the top. This will preserve your customized Themes. -Bill Ray Bayles on 08/22/98 11:38:39 AM To: "J. Michael Stolp" cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: W95 TP Color Schemes to W98 or NT? If your purchased from IBM or a complete IBM-produced box, you image disk (recovery disk) will have an identical set of what you had on your computer. If you try to change the Windows 95 stuff by upgrading or replacing, you will lose access to that extra stuff... at least that's what I have learned from my own experience. It is pretty difficult to do it any other way but there are some software packages such as "Diskdrive" that will enable you to make a duplicate hard drive... > Is there anyway to migrate these type customizations from the old W95 which > is still on an extra 770 harddrive to a new clean install on a new harddrive > for the 770? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 12:51:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17899 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12070; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:50:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11982; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi.verio.com (newmail.mi.verio.com [209.69.71.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11969; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from billb (66-101.pop.fh.gle.verio.com [209.69.66.101]) by mail.mi.verio.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14091 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:45:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from billb@rust.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980822124938.00819870@rust.net> X-Sender: billb@rust.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:49:38 -0400 To: From: Bill Bryan Subject: APM ? Win98 & 701C Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have an upgraded 701C to a 586 processor and 36Mb ram. Win98 loaded fine but the unit doesn't seem to wake-up out of suspend mode if it's been more than a few minutes. The screen lights up with a black background. I also get the little blue and white clock face for a second. If I leave the unit in this mode the win98 "Powering down in 15 seconds" message comes up. If I cancel this message all is normal and the computer is ready to go. If I turn off the Advanced Power Management, all's well also. I wanted the new APM in Win98 for fully powering down the PCMCIA cards to save battery power during suspend. Any thoughts? B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- Hunter Thompson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 13:09:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18112 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13163; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:04:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13026; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lotus2.lotus.com (lotus2.lotus.com [192.233.136.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12957; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from internet2.lotus.com (internet2 [9.95.4.236]) by lotus2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23552; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta2.lotus.com (MTA2.lotus.com [9.95.5.6]) by internet2.lotus.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA17740; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mta2.lotus.com(Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) id 85256668.005E3063 ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:08:47 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: LOTUS@MTA To: Bill Bryan cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <85256668.005E2ED9.00@mta2.lotus.com> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:03:05 -0400 Subject: Re: APM ? Win98 & 701C Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Check the IBM ThinkPad site for a new BIOS. I had a similar problem with my 770 until I installed the new BIOS.... -Bill Bill Bryan on 08/22/98 12:49:38 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: APM ? Win98 & 701C I have an upgraded 701C to a 586 processor and 36Mb ram. Win98 loaded fine but the unit doesn't seem to wake-up out of suspend mode if it's been more than a few minutes. The screen lights up with a black background. I also get the little blue and white clock face for a second. If I leave the unit in this mode the win98 "Powering down in 15 seconds" message comes up. If I cancel this message all is normal and the computer is ready to go. If I turn off the Advanced Power Management, all's well also. I wanted the new APM in Win98 for fully powering down the PCMCIA cards to save battery power during suspend. Any thoughts? B/B =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Bill Bryan, Livonia, MI - billb@rust.net - N8QPI "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro" -- Hunter Thompson =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 17:01:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21762 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28413; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:58:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28228; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28215; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA07068; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:58:02 -1000 Message-ID: <005501bdce0f$a3eea800$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Greg Terrell" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: [TP560] External microphone recommendation Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:58:38 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >You need an adaptor that plugs into the mike socket and the microphone >cable. It picks up the power from the metal ring.[snip] I also got the adaptor from Talking Technologies - go to >http://www.talk-systems.com/. Thanks - this is exactly what I was looking for. I was thinking of making one myself, but if the one from T.T. is not too expensive I will likely go for it. BTW, my intended app for this is internet telephony (I will be away from home for much of this fall). I currently have Speaking Freely installed (price was right:-), but if anyone else has any experience or recommendations I'd be pleased to hear it. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 17:34:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA22144 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00582; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:32:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00497; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00485; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23031 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:18:54 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP701 & Active Desktop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I installed IE4.0 SP1 from the MS website. During the install it queries if it should install Active Desktop and I let it go ahead and install it. Ever since that time the OS has been doing real funky, flakey things. IF it makes any difference the OS is NT4.0 SP3 and up to that point it has wroked without a hitch, very stable and reliably. Has anyone on the list had problems wiht Active Desktop. At this point I would like to just get rid of Active Desktop but can't figure out how. Suggestions, short of reloading the OS (it would be a major pain because I would have to reload all my apps and I reall dont want to do that) on how to get rid of Active Desktop would eb greatly appreciated. TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 18:05:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22636 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01494; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:03:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01388; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01376; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.17.22]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980822220305.BFMV8466@bp>; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: <35DF3FF1.66FB@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:02:25 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TP560] External microphone recommendation References: <000101bdcd3a$e8425360$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just as a guide check out http://www.speechcontrol.com Read the articles. I test microphones on ThinkPads. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 19:11:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23565 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03040; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:00:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02959; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02947; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (bing42.net107.binghamton.edu [128.226.107.42]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA20176; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808222300.TAA20176@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:59:58 -0400 To: rj , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ken Subject: How to uninstall Active Desktop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >if it should install Active Desktop and I let it go ahead and install it. >had problems wiht Active Desktop. At this point I would like to just get >rid of Active Desktop but can't figure out how. Suggestions, short of I don't know for sure if it's the same on NT, but I uninstalled the Active Desktop that came preloaded on my 770ED with Windows 95 by going to Add/Remove Programs, and selecting Microsoft Internet Explorer. Its uninstall pops up an option for just uninstalling Active Desktop. That was the only place I found any way to get rid of it. The uninstall seemed to get rid of the new Explorer.EXE shell, and backed out to an older one. Presumably, it backs out to the previous one you had on your machine. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 19:21:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA23645 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03691; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:19:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03610; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03598; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (bing49.net107.binghamton.edu [128.226.107.49]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA21325; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808222318.TAA21325@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:18:54 -0400 To: Arthur Salzberg , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ken Subject: RE: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? In-Reply-To: <000101bdcdcc$bb9a0e60$7c15b0cf@asalzberg> References: <199808221030.GAA05510@mail.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:58 AM 8/22/98 -0400, Arthur Salzberg wrote: >You have a threefold problem shared by all 770ED with the 8.1 GB drive. >the boot partition may not be larger than 7.8 GB... >In any event IBM *requires* that you leave the boot partition FAT 16 OK, so...this part isn't a problem, right? Because it's partitioned into two drives, so I have a 2GB boot partition, and then the second partition can be as big as it wants, right? >Second, IBM improperly formatted your harddrive--the ending sector is not >correct. Does Scandisk run? If not, see >http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12dca.html Scandisk has always run just fine. And my ending sector is listed correctly, according to that webpage. >manually adjust the partition sizes of the 8.1 shipped on your 77ED unless >you use Norton's Disk Edit or Debug to force the drive to report a different ending >sector. But this will result in loss of some 250 mg of disk space. I don't understand this part. Especially considering that the ending sector is correct (or so says that webpage you mentioned), what is it that I can fix? >BTW, none of these "problems" are "serious"--just annoyances. Well, it's more than annoying that I can't access a large part of my drive. You said that this problem is documented...but the webpage you listed documented the >SCANDISK problem<, which I'm not having. Is the problem of only 7.6 GB being present on a machine with supposedly 8.1 GB documented? Thanks for the help. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 19:45:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24057 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04322; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:43:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04244; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04232; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cdwey.dchb.ttu.edu ([12.74.122.122]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980822234313.CEMP8466@cdwey.dchb.ttu.edu> for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:43:13 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Stanley K. Chen" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Thinkpad 701 and acessories for sale. Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:50:12 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980822234313.CEMP8466@cdwey.dchb.ttu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Hello group, I've finally decided to upgrade to a new unit so I thought I'd put my 701 out to the list before I put ads on the open market. Although I'd like to sell it as a set. I'll break up the parts as necessary if people have special request. TP701C Active Matrix Screen, 75Mhz, 40 Mb RAM, 720 Mb HDD (Win 95 & various software) (includes all original items including port replicator, floppy disk drive, parallel cable, A/C adapter and Nimh battery)- $500 IBM 1.0 Gb HDD in a IBM caddy (Win 95 OS loaded)- $125 2 IBM Nimh batteries (1 new still in plastic-wrap, 1 needs to be reconditioned)- $125 IBM 33.6 (upgradeable, cellular ready) PCMCIA modem- $65 IBM Dock II w/ monitor shelf, and adapter for 701 (includes CD-ROM drive, has not been set up for 701 yet)- $200 Addonics 20X Pocket CD (uses PC Card slot interface)- $200 Pentax Pocket-Jet portable printer (New unused)- $125 All equipment is in "Excellent or Mint" condition. The buyer is responsible for paying shipping cost. If anyone is interested in buying the whole setup I will be willing to negotiate. If you have questions please email or call me at 806-742-2638 Stanley K. Chen Texas Tech Univeristy: Dept of Housing & Dining s.k.chen@worldnet.att.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 20:07:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA24302 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05355; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:05:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05241; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chele.cais.com (chele.cais.com [199.0.216.212]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05224; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by chele.cais.com (8.8.8/CAIS8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA29439; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:05:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: chele.cais.com: rj owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 20:05:28 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Ken cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to uninstall Active Desktop In-Reply-To: <199808222300.TAA20176@mail.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: It sure is the same on NT and it worked just great. Thanks for the help! Even after just rebooting I can tell the system is running as it use to!! On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Ken wrote: > >if it should install Active Desktop and I let it go ahead and install it. > >had problems wiht Active Desktop. At this point I would like to just get > >rid of Active Desktop but can't figure out how. Suggestions, short of > > I don't know for sure if it's the same on NT, but I uninstalled the Active > Desktop that came preloaded on my 770ED with Windows 95 by going to > Add/Remove Programs, and selecting Microsoft Internet Explorer. Its > uninstall pops up an option for just uninstalling Active Desktop. That was > the only place I found any way to get rid of it. > > The uninstall seemed to get rid of the new Explorer.EXE shell, and backed > out to an older one. Presumably, it backs out to the previous one you had > on your machine. > > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com > http://free-music.com/ken > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 21:51:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25604 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07431; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:46:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07313; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpserv1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (SMTPSERV1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.16.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07301; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slac.stanford.edu ("port 1827"@[134.79.149.156]) by smtpserv1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #29743) with ESMTP id <0EY40038SCY2QB@smtpserv1.slac.stanford.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:45:54 -0700 From: Bob Cowles Subject: More questions on Adaptec drivers To: ThinkPad mailing list Message-id: <35DF7452.327FDEB8@slac.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center X-Envelope-to: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <199808220525.AAA04026@rgate.ricochet.net> List-Unsubscribe: With all the talk aboit the Adaptec APA-1480, I though I'd ask a more mundane question. My daughter is trying to do a fresh install of Win98 on her TP 755C (no CD) after giving up on the Win95 configuration. She has a SCSI CD drive connected through an Adaptec APA-1460 and it looked like she was going to be able to use it OK from the Startup Disk I built for her ... but now with a clean harddrive, she can't boot from the startup disk and get the CD drive to operate. I am guessing she needs some kind of point enabler for that PC Card on the startup disk, but can't seem to locate the right file anywhere (either on the Win98 CD or on the Adaptec web site). Any suggestions? (Yeah, I could spring for the full version of Win98, but it feels like the price for the upgrade is too high already.) Thanks in advance, Bob Cowles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 21:59:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25725 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07811; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:57:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07720; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07708; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.137.119]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980823015644.DMJB8466@760> for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:56:44 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: Subject: Need help with SelectaDock 2 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:55:06 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980823015644.DMJB8466@760> List-Unsubscribe: I have an opportunity to buy a SelectaDock 2 for $200 I need to know: Does this unit require the Selectadock 1 BASE unit, or does the 760 go right onto it? Other than the two PCI slots, does thing do anything for me that the Dock 2 does not? Can it run a video card in it? Will that card run the LCD, or just an external monitor? Thanks! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 22:03:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25764 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08002; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:59:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07920; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07903; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.137.119]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980823015835.DMUQ8466@760> for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:58:35 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "thinkpad" Subject: External floppy adaptor for 760 for sale Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:56:58 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980823015835.DMUQ8466@760> List-Unsubscribe: I have one external floppy connector box for the 760/750 (requires a Dock with the 75X) for sale. $75.00 shipped no drive included From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 22 22:07:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA25789 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08363; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:03:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08275; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08243; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.137.119]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980823020152.DNQY8466@760>; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:01:52 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Bob Cowles" , "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Re: More questions on Adaptec drivers Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:00:14 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980823020152.DNQY8466@760> List-Unsubscribe: You would need the PCMCIA IBM drivers PLUS the adaptec EZ-SCSI drivers (which come with the card). ---------- > From: Bob Cowles > To: ThinkPad mailing list > Subject: More questions on Adaptec drivers > Date: Saturday, August 22, 1998 9:45 PM > > With all the talk aboit the Adaptec APA-1480, I though I'd ask a more mundane > question. > > My daughter is trying to do a fresh install of Win98 on her TP 755C (no CD) > after giving up on the Win95 configuration. She has a SCSI CD drive connected > through an Adaptec APA-1460 and it looked like she was going to be able to use > it OK from the Startup Disk I built for her ... but now with a clean harddrive, > she can't boot from the startup disk and get the CD drive to operate. I am > guessing she needs some kind of point enabler for that PC Card on the startup > disk, but can't seem to locate the right file anywhere (either on the Win98 CD > or on the Adaptec web site). Any suggestions? (Yeah, I could spring for the > full version of Win98, but it feels like the price for the upgrade is too high > already.) > > Thanks in advance, > Bob Cowles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 00:24:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27625 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12174; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:18:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11851; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11839; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19277; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:18:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:18:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: Bruce Markowitz cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need help with SelectaDock 2 In-Reply-To: <19980823015644.DMJB8466@760> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The 760 goes right on it... sets on it then slides back on a "ramp" or "rack" to plug right onto the connector pins ... By the way, you can buy the Selectadock II for $99 on the bottom of the portables section of www.onsale.com... refurbished by one of IBM's official contractors... Datapath or NEI... plus shipping of course... it comes in a big box so the shipping is like $31... it comes with a SCAM setup for SCSI-2 50-pin... but no manual... it's main feature is the SCSI, plus security... power connections, etc... has speakers included that are substantially better than the 760... the security feature includes a lock system that prevents the thinkpad from being easily stolen... and a key to prevent unauthorized use.... It is big... at least as wide as a regular keyboard and 8 inches high... where the Dock 2 is very small in comparison... You need a separate proprietary cable to install an iBM thinkpad hard drive... but I ordered 2 Gb SCSI-2 hard drives from Onsale for $99.00 I own one I bought new and have just ordered a second... let me know if you come across suppliers of the IDE adapter, scsi hardware to install CD ROM and SCSI hard drive... I don't think it can do a video card directly, but has lots of ports on the back... I haven't thot about that... but it can power a regular size monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Somebody told me it has a power limit that is fairly low in total amps because of what the thinkpad draws when it is plugged in... On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I have an opportunity to buy a SelectaDock 2 for $200 > I need to know: > Does this unit require the Selectadock 1 BASE unit, or does the 760 go > right onto it? > Other than the two PCI slots, does thing do anything for me that the Dock 2 > does not? > Can it run a video card in it? Will that card run the LCD, or just an > external monitor? > Thanks! > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 01:56:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28661 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13606; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:53:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13483; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13471; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:53:46 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:53:46 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP560E for $1199 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I just saw this on freebsd-mobile, and I thought I pass it on: Microwarehouse sells the (discontinued) TP560E (P166MMX) for $1199.00. (The usual disclaimer: I am not affiliated with Microwarehouse, I don't know anything about them, neither positive nor negative.) Regards Christoph Eyrich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 01:59:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA28727 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13806; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:56:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13729; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpserv1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (SMTPSERV1.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.16.136]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13717; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slac.stanford.edu ("port 1106"@[134.79.149.156]) by smtpserv1.slac.stanford.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #29743) with ESMTP id <0EY4005C9OIEPF@smtpserv1.slac.stanford.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:55:59 -0700 From: Bob Cowles Subject: Re: More questions on Adaptec drivers To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net Cc: ThinkPad mailing list Message-id: <35DFAEEE.2E9BCC81@slac.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center X-Envelope-to: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <19980823020152.DNQY8466@760> List-Unsubscribe: Great! An answer in 15 minutes! I copied over the three DOS drivers from the PCMCIA diskette and edited config.sys -- we must have already had the right SCSI drivers on the diskette because it booted up and as of now the installation is nearly complete. Thanks very much for pointing out the missing PC Card drivers! Bob Cowles Bruce Markowitz wrote: > You would need the PCMCIA IBM drivers PLUS the adaptec EZ-SCSI drivers > (which come with the card). > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 02:04:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA28989 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14185; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:00:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14087; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14066; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ericgile (port2-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.199]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA14767 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:00:38 -0500 Message-ID: <003201bd1d96$00227500$c78b89d0@ericgile> From: "Eric Giles" To: Subject: Re: Need help with SelectaDock 2 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:04:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >I have an opportunity to buy a SelectaDock 2 for $200 >I need to know: >Does this unit require the Selectadock 1 BASE unit, or does the 760 go >right onto it? The 760 requires the Selectadock 1 base unit. >Other than the two PCI slots, does thing do anything for me that the Dock 2 >does not? I am not that familiar with the Dock II, so I cannot comment on it. However, I have owned the Selectadock I/II (when I had a 760ED) and now I use the Selectabase 770 with the Selectadock II. I have used the II for over a year and a half now. You will be able to use two Ultrabay devices in the II. There is also another IDE connection for another IDE device. The right side of the unit accepts a 5 1/4" drive, such as an internal CD-ROM drive, or you can install a 3 1/2" hard drive. As mentioned by another on the list, it does come with a SCSI connection, which is the Adaptec 7850 controller. There is an internal and an external connection for this. The speakers are much better than the ones in the 760, and are on par with the 770 internal speakers. It also has 2 more Cardbus PC Card slots. >Can it run a video card in it? Will that card run the LCD, or just an >external monitor? You can use a video card in the unit. I have used a Matrox Millenium video card in the unit since I have had it. It works great! The card will only run an external monitor. When I had the 760, all slots were filled with the Matrox, a 3Com 905 10/100 PCI network card, and a U.S. Robotics 28.8 modem. This allowed me to disable the Mwave modem, which caused the system to be much more reliable. I have noticed that the PCI cards do not perform quite as fast as I would expect. The network card is noticeably slower than a Cardbus Xircom 10/100 card that I have. The Matrox gives faster video benchmarks than the 770's built-in video, but I would have expected the difference to be greater. Overall though, it is a great unit. If I could find one for only $200, I would buy a second one for the house! Hope this helps- Eric Giles >Thanks! > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 02:15:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29103 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14835; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:13:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14645; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14633; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ericgile (port2-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.199]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA14971 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <003501bd1d97$b97a2920$c78b89d0@ericgile> From: "Eric Giles" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Need help with SelectaDock 2 Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 01:16:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >The 760 goes right on it... sets on it then slides back >on a "ramp" or "rack" to plug right onto the connector pins. The Selectadock I base unit does slide back onto the Selectadock II using its ramp or rack and plugs into the connector pins on the II. Then, the 760 will fit on the Selectadock I base unit. >By the way, you can buy the Selectadock II for $99 on >the bottom of the portables section of www.onsale.com... I checked the site and there were none available. This price would be more in line with the Selectadock I base unit, but if it is the II then I wish I had seen it! >refurbished by one of IBM's official contractors... Datapath >or NEI... plus shipping of course... it comes in a big box >so the shipping is like $31... it comes with a SCAM setup for >SCSI-2 50-pin... but no manual... it's main feature is the SCSI, >plus security... power connections, etc... has speakers included >that are substantially better than the 760... the security feature >includes a lock system that prevents the thinkpad from being easily >stolen... and a key to prevent unauthorized use.... It is big... at >least as wide as a regular keyboard and 8 inches high... where the >Dock 2 is very small in comparison... You need a separate proprietary >cable to install an iBM thinkpad hard drive... but I ordered 2 Gb >SCSI-2 hard drives from Onsale for $99.00 > snip >I don't think it can do a video card directly, but has lots of >ports on the back... I haven't thot about that... but it can power >a regular size monitor, keyboard, and mouse. As mentioned in my earlier post, it will work with a PCI video card. >Somebody told me it has a power limit that is fairly low in total >amps because of what the thinkpad draws when it is plugged in... I never had a problem in regard to this with the 760, but the 770 requires that you have its AC adapter plugged into the Selectabase 770 for everything to work. If you don't, the thing just sits there and beeps at you! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 05:38:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA01176 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23778; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23646; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel14.mindspring.com (camel14.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA23630; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (user-38lde7o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.184.248]) by camel14.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA02087 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980823053815.007bd440@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 05:38:15 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED] New BIOS Update... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: There is a new BIOS update (dated 8/17) at the IBM Site. When I get my 'System Information' from THINKPAD CONFIGURATION, it shows that my BIOS version is: 04/21/98 - IDET20WW And the BIOS P/N being: 97H4080 These two numbers (BIOS version and P/N) do not match versions and P/N on the IBM site....Why is that? What kind of versions do I have? SHould I just keep my mouth shut and upgrade to the new BIOS? :) Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 06:08:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA01405 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24594; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:06:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24516; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24504; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (bing230.net108.binghamton.edu [128.226.108.230]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id GAA25033; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808231006.GAA25033@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 06:06:25 -0400 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] New BIOS Update... In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980823053815.007bd440@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >There is a new BIOS update (dated 8/17) at the IBM Site. >These two numbers (BIOS version and P/N) do not match versions and P/N on >the IBM site....Why is that? >What kind of versions do I have? >SHould I just keep my mouth shut and upgrade to the new BIOS? :) >Jean-Pierre It would appear from reading through IBM's site that they intend for you to download whatever new updates (such as the BIOS, in this case) they come out with. I just did mine, but it was a 6/98 BIOS...I guess this new one just went up. If you didn't already find this, the file explaining what's been fixed in the new BIOS download is available at ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/sytpd122.txt Good luck, and don't unplug your computer while you're running the upgrade. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 08:14:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA02454 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26327; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:12:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26209; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26197; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-99.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.99]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA18811; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:12:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01bdce8f$4627caa0$631f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: , "Jean-Pierre Diebold" Subject: Re: [TP770ED] New BIOS Update... Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 07:12:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: My 770E shipped the same way. I've since upgraded the BIOS twice (6/23 and now the 8/7 version). -----Original Message----- From: Jean-Pierre Diebold To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 4:37 AM Subject: [TP770ED] New BIOS Update... >There is a new BIOS update (dated 8/17) at the IBM Site. >When I get my 'System Information' from THINKPAD CONFIGURATION, it shows >that my BIOS version is: >04/21/98 - IDET20WW > >And the BIOS P/N being: 97H4080 > >These two numbers (BIOS version and P/N) do not match versions and P/N on >the IBM site....Why is that? >What kind of versions do I have? > >SHould I just keep my mouth shut and upgrade to the new BIOS? :) > > >Jean-Pierre > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 10:48:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA03641 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29115; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:45:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29035; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29023; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.36]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980823144501.HSLP8466@760>; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:45:01 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Ray Bayles" Cc: Subject: Re: Need help with SelectaDock 2 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:43:23 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980823144501.HSLP8466@760> List-Unsubscribe: It sounds to me like you are speaking of the Dock 2, which is what is $99 at onsale ---------- > From: Ray Bayles > To: Bruce Markowitz > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Need help with SelectaDock 2 > Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 12:18 AM > > The 760 goes right on it... sets on it then slides back > on a "ramp" or "rack" to plug right onto the connector pins > ... > > By the way, you can buy the Selectadock II for $99 on > the bottom of the portables section of www.onsale.com... > refurbished by one of IBM's official contractors... Datapath > or NEI... plus shipping of course... it comes in a big box > so the shipping is like $31... it comes with a SCAM setup for > SCSI-2 50-pin... but no manual... it's main feature is the SCSI, > plus security... power connections, etc... has speakers included > that are substantially better than the 760... the security feature > includes a lock system that prevents the thinkpad from being easily > stolen... and a key to prevent unauthorized use.... It is big... at > least as wide as a regular keyboard and 8 inches high... where the > Dock 2 is very small in comparison... You need a separate proprietary > cable to install an iBM thinkpad hard drive... but I ordered 2 Gb > SCSI-2 hard drives from Onsale for $99.00 > > > I own one I bought new and have just ordered a second... > let me know if you come across suppliers of the IDE adapter, scsi > hardware to install CD ROM and SCSI hard drive... > > I don't think it can do a video card directly, but has lots of > ports on the back... I haven't thot about that... but it can power > a regular size monitor, keyboard, and mouse. > > Somebody told me it has a power limit that is fairly low in total > amps because of what the thinkpad draws when it is plugged in... > > > On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > I have an opportunity to buy a SelectaDock 2 for $200 > > I need to know: > > Does this unit require the Selectadock 1 BASE unit, or does the 760 go > > right onto it? > > Other than the two PCI slots, does thing do anything for me that the Dock 2 > > does not? > > Can it run a video card in it? Will that card run the LCD, or just an > > external monitor? > > Thanks! > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 12:03:07 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04353 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 12:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28494; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:26:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28373; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.divms.uiowa.edu (server.divms.uiowa.edu [128.255.26.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28359; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.cs.uiowa.edu (tractor.cs.uiowa.edu [128.255.28.65]) by server.divms.uiowa.edu with id JAA06815 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:26:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <199808231426.JAA06815@server.divms.uiowa.edu> Subject: [TP 560x] linux and apm anyone? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 09:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: bonak@cs.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, Has anyone been able to get power management to work with Linux on a Thinkpad (specifically a TP 560x)? I recently got a TP560 x (I love it), and while power management works under Win95 it doesn't work right for me under Linux. Standby works - but unless I get to a power source in about 7 or 8 hours I'm out of juice, and the system won't work. I'm not sure about Suspend. The system seems to power down when I close the lid - which the docs refer to as suspend - and comes back up when I open it. However, if I do fn-f4 the system's hard disk light blinks a few times, but the screen stays on and the system still responds instantly without any startup delay. Again, the longest I can go without AC and no work on the machine is about 7 to 8 hours. I can't get hibernate to work at all. This is on a brand new TP560x (233Mhz TFT model - 70U), Linux RH 5.1 with 2.0.34 kernel (enabled power management), APM BIOS 1.1 (kernel driver 1.2), apm version 2.4. Anyone? Thanks! Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 17:25:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08004 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07341; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:23:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07178; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lohi.clinet.fi (root@lohi.clinet.fi [194.100.0.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07162; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 17:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chipie (kenavo.fi [194.100.26.62]) by lohi.clinet.fi (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA18712 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:23:25 +0300 (EEST) Message-Id: <199808232123.AAA18712@lohi.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:22:56 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: TP560E for $1199 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.50 b48 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 at 07:53 AM you, Christoph Eyrich , said: >Microwarehouse sells the (discontinued) TP560E (P166MMX) for $1199.00. Now that was a good bargain IMO. I placed an order for one only to get a mesage from Microwarehouse a few hours later telling me that "due to shipping restrictions from its manufacturer, IBM products can only be shipped to the 50 United States." Too bad :-( Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Helsinki, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 18:03:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08443 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06264; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:46:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06032; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06020; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23430; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > Vince, go to "http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?page=3DIBM+ThinkPad", then=20 > "Operating System and Related Information". >=20 > You will find that new drivers for your computer were released on June=20 > 24, the same day that Win 98 was also released. Win 98 is fully supported= =20 > on your ThinkPad. >=20 > You may also want to read the document "What's new for Windows 98 on=20 > ThinkPads" on IBM's site. "http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12e22.html" =09I got Win98 running on my 385ED and did all the things according to the docs. However, I couldn't get the Suspend function on the Start button to show up, what am I doing wrong? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____= =20 Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ = ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] = ] =20 Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] = ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____= ] > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: >=20 > > Greetings everyone, > >=20 > > =09Is it possible to upgrade a 385ED to Win98 but what about the > > drivers required for the built in stuff? > >=20 > >=20 > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ = ____=20 > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[= __ ] > > GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | = __] ] =20 > > Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | = __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[= ____] > >=20 > >=20 >=20 > A. Kellerbauer >=20 > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 >=20 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 19:19:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09291 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09723; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:17:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09580; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09568; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA17047; Sun, 23 Aug 98 19:17:18 EDT Message-Id: <35E0A239.144A870B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:14:01 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy Cc: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't believe that you can get the Suspend icon to show on the Start menu. For one, "suspend" is now called "standby" in Win98. Go figure. The way to suspend is to select shutdown and choose standby. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 19:28:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09349 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10067; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:25:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09985; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09972; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA24406; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: Lee Hetherington cc: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: <35E0A239.144A870B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Lee Hetherington wrote: > I don't believe that you can get the Suspend icon to show on the Start > menu. For one, "suspend" is now called "standby" in Win98. Go figure. > The way to suspend is to select shutdown and choose standby. Interesting, I tried standby but how do I resume? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 22:37:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA12850 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14533; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:35:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14391; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason01.u.washington.edu (root@jason01.u.washington.edu [140.142.70.24]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14375; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dante31.u.washington.edu (williams@dante31.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.105]) by jason01.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA48214 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:34:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante31.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id TAA19074 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:34:53 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:34:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" Reply-To: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 770ED questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am interested in the 770ED but I have several questions before I make my decision. I would like to hook up a MIDI cable to it. What would I need? Would the Selectabase 770 be the ideal? Or, is there a USB or PC Card solution? Same questions for gamepads and joysticks. I haven't read much about the Selectabase 770. Any comments? I read in a previous message that the hard drive may not be fast enough for video capture. Advice? Does it ship with Win 95 or 98? How easy is it to install NT4.0 (dual-boot)? What exactly is "3d sound?" Does it support Wave table audio? Any opinions on connecting mice? Microsoft wheel mouse versus IBM's trackpoint. Does it support 24-bit color on the LCD. I know that it has 4M of VRAM but there is conflicting information on the IBM web site that states it has true color; but the matrix document shows that only 18 bit color is supported (ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/thsmatrx.pdf). Which is it? Finally, any recommended mail-order dealers? Any to avoid? Thanks, John From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 23 23:33:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13758 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16336; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:30:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16132; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16119; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p35-m11-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p35-m11-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [203.96.106.99]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id aa292188 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 1998 23:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bdcf10$0f14f520$636a60cb@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Funny boot sequence! Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:30:13 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Giday, While I installed the new bios on my 770 I noticed a funny boot sequence. I created the BIOS update disk image and then rebooted. But even before I set my boot options to use the floopy (I normally have the Hard Disk only as my boot device), the machine booted off the floppy anyway. I then tried a plain old DOS boot disk but this time it booted off the hard disk. I'm guessing that IBM has created themselves a back door on their boot disks to bypass the BIOS boot order. But isn't this a little dangerous, I always have my boot device as the fixed disk for security, being able to bypass this doesn't seem right to me. Any comments, thoughts?? Regards, Andreas!! ;-) PS. The new BIOS, so far, does fix a few bugs I had with the previous one 1.21. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 06:42:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA18521 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01398; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:37:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01248; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel8.mindspring.com (camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01236; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diebold (user-38lde8d.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.185.13]) by camel8.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA27658 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980824063850.007bfc70@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 06:38:50 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED] Double Boot! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have noticed that sometimes when I boot then it starts booting a second time and then Windows 95 is launched. Detailed explanation: When I first boot I get the IBM logo along with the THINKPAD logo and the amount of RAM present. After all this data is displayed I hear a long beep (normal) before it starts booting. HOWEVER, sometimes after I hear the long beep I get a blank screen and the system gives me 2 SHORT BEEPS and starts the booting process once again -> IBM logo, THINKPAD logo, etc... And then it finally launches Windows 95. Has anyone had this problem? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance to all of you! Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 07:24:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA18883 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02506; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:20:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02389; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.toronto.istar.net (mail2.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA02376; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.191.150.131] (helo=pent300) by mail2.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zAufl-000145-00; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:20:29 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980824112122.00d8f66c@mail.inforamp.net> X-Sender: valliant@mail.inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:21:22 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Jean-Pierre Diebold From: Hugh Valliant Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Double Boot! List-Unsubscribe: Mornin' to the list and Jean-Pierre, Although I haven't had this problem with a ThinkPad, I've had the problem on regular computers before. In each case it was a bad memory chip. Replaced all the memory and the problem went away... Hope this helps. Hugh At 06:38 AM 8/24/1998 -0400, you wrote: >I have noticed that sometimes when I boot then it starts booting a second >time and then Windows 95 is launched. > >Detailed explanation: > >When I first boot I get the IBM logo along with the THINKPAD logo and the >amount of RAM present. After all this data is displayed I hear a long beep >(normal) before it starts booting. > >HOWEVER, sometimes after I hear the long beep I get a blank screen and the >system gives me 2 SHORT BEEPS and starts the booting process once again -> >IBM logo, THINKPAD logo, etc... And then it finally launches Windows 95. > >Has anyone had this problem? > >Any suggestions? > >Thanks in advance to all of you! > >Jean-Pierre > > > > \\\\!//// \\ _ _ // ( @ @ ) ---------------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------- MI-COM Technology Computer Solutions for Small Business Helping you access and travel the Information Highway Hugh A. Valliant Bus. (416) 726-5355 Fax. (416) 699-3847 E-mail valliant@micomtech.com http://www.mi-comtech.com/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 08:04:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA19283 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04201; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03824; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03806; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (bing227.net108.binghamton.edu [128.226.108.227]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA26520; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808241158.HAA26520@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 07:58:39 -0400 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Double Boot! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980824063850.007bfc70@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >I have noticed that sometimes when I boot then it starts booting a second >time and then Windows 95 is launched. >HOWEVER, sometimes after I hear the long beep I get a blank screen and the >system gives me 2 SHORT BEEPS and starts the booting process once again -> >IBM logo, THINKPAD logo, etc... And then it finally launches Windows 95. I find that this happens on my 770ED as well. I've been trying to figure out whether it's connected to whether the display is opened or closed when I hit the power-on switch. The machine does seem to be touchy about a) hitting that switch more than once, and b) turning on or off when the screen is closed. By "touchy" I mean "gives unpredictable results." Sorry this isn't very helpful, except to say that, yes, my machine does the same thing. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 09:08:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20239 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06764; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06629; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06615; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:06:26 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:06:22 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Esmail Bonakdarian cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP 560x] linux and apm anyone? In-Reply-To: <199808231426.JAA06815@server.divms.uiowa.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Esmail Bonakdarian wrote: > Has anyone been able to get power management to work with Linux on a > Thinkpad (specifically a TP 560x)? Did you have a look at http://www.arctic.org/~dgaudet/tp560/olin_note ? It appears that there are problems with the most recent bios version causing the system to hang after a suspend. The above URL is about downgrading the bios ... Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 10:00:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21043 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09313; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:57:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09224; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sammy.netpathway.com (root@sammy.netpathway.com [208.137.139.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09207; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netpathway.com (port8-wayn.netpathway.com [208.137.139.205]) by sammy.netpathway.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24132 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:57:20 -0500 Message-ID: <35E17153.33A3F2B@netpathway.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:57:39 -0500 From: Eric Giles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Double Boot! References: <3.0.5.32.19980824063850.007bfc70@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have had this happen on my 760ED and now my 770. It will only happen after a configuration change has been made to me machine, such as disabling or enabling a device, or, as in my case, booting the machine after it has been removed from the Selectadock II docking station. If no change is being made to the configuration, then this may not be normal. I'm not sure if it is an actual problem with the machine, but you may want to call IBM and see. Eric Giles Jean-Pierre Diebold wrote: > > I have noticed that sometimes when I boot then it starts booting a second > time and then Windows 95 is launched. > > Detailed explanation: > > When I first boot I get the IBM logo along with the THINKPAD logo and the > amount of RAM present. After all this data is displayed I hear a long beep > (normal) before it starts booting. > > HOWEVER, sometimes after I hear the long beep I get a blank screen and the > system gives me 2 SHORT BEEPS and starts the booting process once again -> > IBM logo, THINKPAD logo, etc... And then it finally launches Windows 95. > > Has anyone had this problem? > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance to all of you! > > Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 10:30:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21473 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11099; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:28:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10954; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10765; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zAxXl-0007iX-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:24:25 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 760CD memory Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:24:14 GMT Message-ID: <35e57760.8141394@post.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Please help! I have been looking around for 32MB memory modules for my ThinkPad 760CD for a while now. IBM only make 16MB modules, which can fit into each of the two slots, plus the 8MB on board, making a total of 40MB maximum - I have had this configuration for the past 2 years. However, I found out from various sources that 32MB modules now exist. However, if two 32MB modules are used, the 8MB on board is disables, thus making a maximum of 64MB memory. The only manufacturer I have been able to find that is 'ThinkPad Proven' is Apricorn. However, their memory seems very expensive and also very hard to get hold of in the UK. The only people who seem to sell them is offering the Apricorn 32MB memory for over UKP150 each with a 2-week wait. I saw this same product on CompUSA's Web page for over USD300. So, I got my IBM dealer (from whom I originally bought my ThinkPad) to look around for me. They offered me a pair of Kingston 32MB memory (model no. KTM-TP760/32), which Kingston said were compatible with the 760CD. This only cost me UKP104 in total. Installation went smoothly enough. On start-up, my machine recognised the memory and reported that there were 65152KB available memory. Then I went on to test the memory in the Easy-Setup - all OK. But on booting into Windows 98, the screen got stuck right after the 'Microsoft Windows 98' screen, but before the desktop (with 'My computer' icons, etc) appeared. This was a total crash which required only a manual flick of the power switch. This was consistent with every try. So, I reverted back to my old configuration (two 16MB modules in each of the two slots) - no problems at all. I then tried one 32MB module in one slot and my old 16MB module in the other slot (making a total of 56MB) - all OK too...So, I called up Kingston. The tech support guy said that my machine is only supposed to go upto 40MB maximum. But, they know that I can get 56MB by using just one 32MB module and one 16MB module. Two 32MB modules cannot be used together. But, I argued, the manual said "ThinkPad computers come standard with 8MB of non-removable memory, expandable to 64MB via the installation of two Kingston 32mb memory upgrade modules". Still the tech guy insisted that he was right. So, it looks like I'm going to have to send back one of the two 32MB memory modules I just got and accept the fact that I can only ever get 56MB on my machine...unless anyone has any ideas or knows of any way of getting the maximum 64MB at a reasonable price. Any help or comment in this matter would be so much appreciated. I am also interested to know whay there should be this problem when two 32MB modules are used at the same time, but not singly - please bear in mind that I am far from technical. Thanks in advance. Regards, Nick nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 10:39:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21661 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11658; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:37:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11564; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11552; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA11335; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA22484; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:29:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:29:39 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Vincent Poy cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > I don't believe that you can get the Suspend icon to show on the Start > > menu. For one, "suspend" is now called "standby" in Win98. Go figure. > > The way to suspend is to select shutdown and choose standby. > > Interesting, I tried standby but how do I resume? Try escape - that worked on a friend's desktop system with suspend feature. If that doesn't work, try the Fn key. Leave it to Microsoft to redefine words so they contradict their original meaning. Standby normally refers to shutting off the screen and spinning down the hard drive. Suspend shuts down everything except system memory. Win95 on my 701 gives me the option to "suspend" when I shutdown. Why'd they rename it? -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 10:47:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21762 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12408; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:46:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12330; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12318; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.118]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980824144531.FGDW15664@760>; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:45:31 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Jean-Pierre Diebold" , , "Ken" Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Double Boot! Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:43:52 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980824144531.FGDW15664@760> List-Unsubscribe: On a 760 the double beep/re-boot indicates a change in BIOS settings. Could it be a plug'n'pray/autodetect thing? ---------- > From: Ken > To: Jean-Pierre Diebold ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Double Boot! > Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 7:58 AM > > >I have noticed that sometimes when I boot then it starts booting a second > >time and then Windows 95 is launched. > >HOWEVER, sometimes after I hear the long beep I get a blank screen and the > >system gives me 2 SHORT BEEPS and starts the booting process once again -> > >IBM logo, THINKPAD logo, etc... And then it finally launches Windows 95. > > I find that this happens on my 770ED as well. I've been trying to figure > out whether it's connected to whether the display is opened or closed when > I hit the power-on switch. The machine does seem to be touchy about a) > hitting that switch more than once, and b) turning on or off when the > screen is closed. By "touchy" I mean "gives unpredictable results." > > Sorry this isn't very helpful, except to say that, yes, my machine does the > same thing. > > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com > http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 12:04:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA22875 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17765; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:01:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17646; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (kglp@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17633; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA29879; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:59:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:59:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory In-Reply-To: <35e57760.8141394@post.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: You may have a problem with either an 80 Mb, 40 Mb or 48 Mb limit for that machine... They did make them that way for a while despite what the manual says... some were expandable to 64 or 80, but some were limited to 40 or 48... or known problems with Windows 98... is it a 120 Mhz, 133 Mhz, or 166? Coast to Coast sells a reliable 32 Mb for $51 and a 64 Mb for $91... your computer should be able to handle 80 Mb after the disable Chip Merchant sells the 32 Mb for $55 and the 64 Mb for $96... Both vendors also have 8 Mb and 16 Mb... search for their URL's... there are two firms called chip Merchant... I'll try to find the URL of the correct one if you request I have never had a problem with many, many purchases I have placed with both of these vendors... I have received IBM, PNY, Visiontek, and Korean chips at different times... if you have a problem, you can return it... if done so quickly... they will also help you configure your order before shipment A nuther good one is www.necx.com... but at a higher price but they will tell you exactly what will work with your particular model and type number You can also go to www.pricewatch.com and check out others whose prices fluctuate daily... click first on the "specials" but go through the list... you can sometimes do very well as they rid themselves of unwanted excess inventory > I have been looking around for 32MB memory modules for my ThinkPad > 760CD for a while now. IBM only make 16MB modules, which can fit into > each of the two slots, plus the 8MB on board, making a total of 40MB > maximum - I have had this configuration for the past 2 years. > > However, I found out from various sources that 32MB modules now exist. > However, if two 32MB modules are used, the 8MB on board is disables, > thus making a maximum of 64MB memory. Most 760 series Thinkpads disable all or a portion of the soldered-in memory when you add large modules... > the manual said "ThinkPad computers come standard with 8MB of > non-removable memory, expandable to 64MB via the installation of two > Kingston 32mb memory upgrade modules". Still the tech guy insisted > that he was right. So, it looks like I'm going to have to send back > one of the two 32MB memory modules I just got and accept the fact that > I can only ever get 56MB on my machine...unless anyone has any ideas > or knows of any way of getting the maximum 64MB at a reasonable price. Based on my experience, your tech guy is probably right... but check your bios first... and upgrade it with a download before you send the memory back... wierder things have happened... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 13:03:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA23785 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21630; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:00:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21498; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21452; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA00168; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: John Kim cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, John Kim wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Aug 1998, Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > > > I don't believe that you can get the Suspend icon to show on the Start > > > menu. For one, "suspend" is now called "standby" in Win98. Go figure. > > > The way to suspend is to select shutdown and choose standby. > > > > Interesting, I tried standby but how do I resume? > > Try escape - that worked on a friend's desktop system with > suspend feature. If that doesn't work, try the Fn key. Hmmm, I'll try the escape but what key do I hit with Fn? > Leave it to Microsoft to redefine words so they contradict their > original meaning. Standby normally refers to shutting off the > screen and spinning down the hard drive. Suspend shuts down > everything except system memory. Win95 on my 701 gives me the > option to "suspend" when I shutdown. Why'd they rename it? No idea... Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 13:32:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24309 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23234; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:30:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23136; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23105; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [158.152.127.170] (helo=moab.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zB0R5-0006Pm-00; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:29:44 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:24:58 +0100 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Greg Terrell Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Double Boot! In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980824063850.007bfc70@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 List-Unsubscribe: snip >HOWEVER, sometimes after I hear the long beep I get a blank screen and the >system gives me 2 SHORT BEEPS and starts the booting process once again -> >IBM logo, THINKPAD logo, etc... And then it finally launches Windows 95. > snip I get the same happening on my 770. I have only noticed it on a restart rather than cold boot. It seems to happen to me after a configuration change within Windows 95 - similar to Eric Giles' experience except I don't use a docking station. I wondered whether it indicated a mismatch between the Windows and BIOS settings. I ran a 760CD for over two years and don't recall anything similar happening. If anyone has the definitive answer I'd like to know it! -- Greg Terrell From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 13:52:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24716 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24223; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:50:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24133; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24116; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA15729; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id NAA12036; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:42:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:42:45 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: Vincent Poy cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, John Kim wrote: > > > > Try escape - that worked on a friend's desktop system with > > suspend feature. If that doesn't work, try the Fn key. > > Hmmm, I'll try the escape but what key do I hit with Fn? Just hitting Fn wakes my 701 up from suspend. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 14:11:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25051 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25216; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:09:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25105; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25093; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:09:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0002.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0zB0hX-0005OGC; Mon, 24 Aug 98 12:46 CDT Received: by FTWLMSPD0002.ISS.BNR.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 3.0) with snapi via CCMAIL id 0056770001091983; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:42:36 -0500 To: " - (052)THINKPAD(a)CS.UTK.EDU" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory Message-ID: <0056770001091983000002L732*@MHS> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:42:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Nick, I just went through the same thing approx. 2 months ago...The thing that you have to do is turn down the resolution on the display...I have the same 760CD with one hard drive which has Win95 loaded, and 64meg on board, and it does fine now with 256 color setting and 800x600 resolution. It appears that there is some kind of address specific something in the display driver when you step above the current settings for the display....Just a interesting point for you, I also have another hard drive with NT loaded and it does not seem to have any problem with the 64meg at all. Let me know if you need anything else. THX JEB ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: ThinkPad 760CD memory Author: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu at Internet Date: 8/24/98 9:51 AM Please help! I have been looking around for 32MB memory modules for my ThinkPad 760CD for a while now. IBM only make 16MB modules, which can fit into each of the two slots, plus the 8MB on board, making a total of 40MB maximum - I have had this configuration for the past 2 years. However, I found out from various sources that 32MB modules now exist. However, if two 32MB modules are used, the 8MB on board is disables, thus making a maximum of 64MB memory. The only manufacturer I have been able to find that is 'ThinkPad Proven' is Apricorn. However, their memory seems very expensive and also very hard to get hold of in the UK. The only people who seem to sell them is offering the Apricorn 32MB memory for over UKP150 each with a 2-week wait. I saw this same product on CompUSA's Web page for over USD300. So, I got my IBM dealer (from whom I originally bought my ThinkPad) to look around for me. They offered me a pair of Kingston 32MB memory (model no. KTM-TP760/32), which Kingston said were compatible with the 760CD. This only cost me UKP104 in total. Installation went smoothly enough. On start-up, my machine recognised the memory and reported that there were 65152KB available memory. Then I went on to test the memory in the Easy-Setup - all OK. But on booting into Windows 98, the screen got stuck right after the 'Microsoft Windows 98' screen, but before the desktop (with 'My computer' icons, etc) appeared. This was a total crash which required only a manual flick of the power switch. This was consistent with every try. So, I reverted back to my old configuration (two 16MB modules in each of the two slots) - no problems at all. I then tried one 32MB module in one slot and my old 16MB module in the other slot (making a total of 56MB) - all OK too...So, I called up Kingston. The tech support guy said that my machine is only supposed to go upto 40MB maximum. But, they know that I can get 56MB by using just one 32MB module and one 16MB module. Two 32MB modules cannot be used together. But, I argued, the manual said "ThinkPad computers come standard with 8MB of non-removable memory, expandable to 64MB via the installation of two Kingston 32mb memory upgrade modules". Still the tech guy insisted that he was right. So, it looks like I'm going to have to send back one of the two 32MB memory modules I just got and accept the fact that I can only ever get 56MB on my machine...unless anyone has any ideas or knows of any way of getting the maximum 64MB at a reasonable price. Any help or comment in this matter would be so much appreciated. I am also interested to know whay there should be this problem when two 32MB modules are used at the same time, but not singly - please bear in mind that I am far from technical. Thanks in advance. Regards, Nick nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 14:37:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA25595 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26557; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26410; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26392; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from JRAMINGO@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id CYPRa02729 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8441fa67.35e1b21b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:34:00 EDT To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: IDE cable for Dock I Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 List-Unsubscribe: I would like to buy a cable to go from a 3.5" IDE HD to the Dock I 60 pin connector designated for an IDE HD connection . Does anyone on the list have such a cable for sale or know where I might buy one? IBM's page lists the local Computer City store as the dealer, but the store denies having or knowing of such a cable. One kind member of the list thought it was an IBM FRU P/N 66G3576 and that it was listed for the Dock II but would work. Thanks, John Albright From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 15:15:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26269 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28760; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:12:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28640; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28603; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:11:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zB21v-0001Lv-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:11:52 +0000 To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:11:17 GMT Message-ID: <35e6ba42.25266004@post.demon.co.uk> References: <0056770001091983000002L732*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <0056770001091983000002L732*@MHS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for your suggestion. However, my settings are (and have always been) 256 colours and 800x600 already. As a matter of interest, what make of memory are you using? On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:42:36 -0500, you wrote: > Nick, > > I just went through the same thing approx. 2 months ago...The thing > that you have to do is turn down the resolution on the display...I > have the same 760CD with one hard drive which has Win95 loaded, and > 64meg on board, and it does fine now with 256 color setting and > 800x600 resolution. It appears that there is some kind of address > specific something in the display driver when you step above the > current settings for the display....Just a interesting point for = you, > I also have another hard drive with NT loaded and it does not seem = to > have any problem with the 64meg at all. > > Let me know if you need anything else. > > THX > JEB From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 15:22:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26403 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29400; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:19:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29296; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29204; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:19:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zB28s-0001yA-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:19:02 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:18:28 GMT Message-ID: <35e9bb44.25523524@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: Ray, Thanks for your suggestions and comments. On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:59:10 -0600 (MDT), you wrote: >You may have a problem with either an >80 Mb, 40 Mb or 48 Mb limit for that machine...=20 >They did make them that way for a while despite >what the manual says... some were expandable to >64 or 80, but some were limited to 40 or 48... >or known problems=20 >with Windows 98... is it a 120 Mhz, 133 Mhz, or 166? 120MHz >Coast to Coast sells a reliable 32 Mb for $51 and >a 64 Mb for $91... your computer should be able to >handle 80 Mb after the disable How does one go about 'disabling' these machines? >Chip Merchant sells the 32 Mb for $55 and the >64 Mb for $96... > >Both vendors also have 8 Mb and 16 Mb... >search for their URL's... there are two firms >called chip Merchant... I'll try to find the URL >of the correct one if you request > >I have never had a problem with many, many purchases >I have placed with both of these vendors... I have=20 >received IBM, PNY, Visiontek, and Korean chips at >different times... if you have a problem, you can return=20 >it... if done so quickly... they will also help you >configure your order before shipment > >A nuther good one is www.necx.com... but at a higher price >but they will tell you exactly what will work with your >particular model and type number > >You can also go to www.pricewatch.com and check out >others whose prices fluctuate daily... click first on >the "specials" but go through the list... you can=20 >sometimes do very well as they rid themselves of unwanted >excess inventory > >> I have been looking around for 32MB memory modules for my ThinkPad >> 760CD for a while now. IBM only make 16MB modules, which can fit into >> each of the two slots, plus the 8MB on board, making a total of 40MB >> maximum - I have had this configuration for the past 2 years. >>=20 >> However, I found out from various sources that 32MB modules now exist. >> However, if two 32MB modules are used, the 8MB on board is disables, >> thus making a maximum of 64MB memory. > >Most 760 series Thinkpads disable all or a portion of the=20 >soldered-in memory when you add large modules... > > >> the manual said "ThinkPad computers come standard with 8MB of >> non-removable memory, expandable to 64MB via the installation of two >> Kingston 32mb memory upgrade modules". Still the tech guy insisted >> that he was right. So, it looks like I'm going to have to send back >> one of the two 32MB memory modules I just got and accept the fact that >> I can only ever get 56MB on my machine...unless anyone has any ideas >> or knows of any way of getting the maximum 64MB at a reasonable price. > >Based on my experience, your tech guy is probably right... but >check your bios first... and upgrade it with a download before you >send the memory back... wierder things have happened... Done that just before I installed Windows 98 (I did not upgrade from Win95, I installed over a clean hard disk) a couple of weeks ago. I upgraded to all the newest bios and drivers as instructed on the IBM web pages. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 15:39:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26700 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00624; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:37:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00493; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00448; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from [158.152.181.205] (helo=bs28ha.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 0zB2QG-0003us-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:37:01 +0000 To: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:36:19 GMT Message-ID: <35ebbd4f.26046199@post.demon.co.uk> References: <0056770001091983000002L732*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <0056770001091983000002L732*@MHS> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:42:36 -0500, you wrote: > Nick, > > I just went through the same thing approx. 2 months ago...The thing > that you have to do is turn down the resolution on the display...I > have the same 760CD with one hard drive which has Win95 loaded, and > 64meg on board, and it does fine now with 256 color setting and > 800x600 resolution. It appears that there is some kind of address > specific something in the display driver when you step above the > current settings for the display.... I just want to add that I initially (and still) think it might be a problem with the display/video since when the machine hangs, it seems 'stuck' on a very strange looking screen with gibberish all over the place. Normally, when booting up this similar screen appearance flashes for about a second just after the 'Microsoft Windows 98' screen and just before the proper desktop screen (with My Computer icons, etc. and the nice looking background wallpaper) appears - this is normal for my machine by the way. But in my instance, this did not make it to the desktop stage...I am already at the lowest colour setting (256 colours) and the right resolution for my screen size (800x600), so I really don't know where to go explore next (with regards to the video settings). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 15:56:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27003 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01592; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:53:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01511; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01493; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (189.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.189]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id PAA01623; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E1C563.66C179DE@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:56:19 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? References: <199808221030.GAA05510@mail.binghamton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ken.. if you want the full 8.1billion bytes then do this.. backup your complete OS.. fdisk your 8.1gig drive and make it one large FAT32 partition.. format it and then restore your backed up OS.. simple in theory, but be sure that you CAN restore it.. the recovery CD will be no good because it does not recognise FAT32.. Ken wrote: > My Thinkpad 770ED supposedly comes with an 8.1GB hard drive. The machine > was preconfigured with Windows 95. It came with a drive C, reported as > 1.99GB, and a drive D, reported as 5.61GB, FAT32. This doesn't appear to > add up to 8.1GB. > > Also, Norton Utilities 3.0 (which seems to recognize FAT32, according to > the documentation) is completely unable to scan my drive D, and when it > scans C from a command prompt, it reports an invalid partitioning and wants > to correct it. > > Is this a standard problem? Is it not a problem at all? Am I missing > something? > > Thanks to anyone who can help me. > > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com > http://free-music.com/ken -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 15:59:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA27046 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01914; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:57:00 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01830; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id PAA27609; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.MCESTATE.COM (vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM [207.211.200.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29919; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by mail.MCESTATE.COM (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA02324; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vince@mail.MCESTATE.COM) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Poy To: John Kim cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 385ED to Win98 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, John Kim wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, John Kim wrote: > > > > > > Try escape - that worked on a friend's desktop system with > > > suspend feature. If that doesn't work, try the Fn key. > > > > Hmmm, I'll try the escape but what key do I hit with Fn? > > Just hitting Fn wakes my 701 up from suspend. Thanks. I'll give it a try.... Is there a difference between standby in the Win98 shutdown menu and Fn+F4 (suspend)? Cheers, Vince - vince@MCESTATE.COM - vince@GAIANET.NET ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] GaiaNet Corporation - M & C Estate / / / / | / | __] ] Beverly Hills, California USA 90210 / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 16:11:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27232 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02960; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:08:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02825; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02788; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13916; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:07:53 -1000 Message-ID: <002101bdcf9a$f8154a60$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bayles" , Cc: Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:08:27 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >I have never had a problem with many, many purchases >I have placed with both of these vendors... I have >received IBM, PNY, Visiontek, and Korean chips at >different times... if you have a problem, you can return >it... if done so quickly... they will also help you >configure your order before shipment Of course, you pay shipping on each return. I'm a little peeved at chipmerchant right now, since neither of the chips they sent me worked and I ended up eating lots of shipping charges (the original shipping cost, and my two return charges), which was altogether more than the difference to the cost of the functional Viking chip I eventually bought from Insight. My first bad experience with chipmerchant, I should add, out of many good ones, and at least they were pleasant and professional to deal with. My suggestion: before ordering from them, ask them what kind of module they plan to sell you, and only buy if they happen to have a reliable brand in stock. BTW, the original poster is in the UK, I believe - in which case, if he buys from the US he should buy a chip which he knows will work 1st time! - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 16:37:50 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27646 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04407; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:33:34 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04303; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id QAA27980; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Erich.Triumf.CA (erich.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02415; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA) by Erich.Triumf.CA (MX V4.0-1 VAX) with SMTP; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:03:22 PST From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: , Subject: Re: IDE cable for Dock I Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <01bdcf9b$6c992be0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 List-Unsubscribe: This was posted on the IBM forum a few days ago: Topic: ThinkPad 700 series Hardware Entry#: 19748 Subject: Dock II and internal IDE -- huh? Expiration Date: 10/17/98 I have the Dock II (model 3546-001). I'd like to install an internal IDE hard drive, as the literature says I can. I ordered the connector (46H6004), but the connector that should connect to the IDE cable is not an IDE connector. I have spoken with half a dozen tech support people, all of whom read the screen and tell me to connect a 5.5 cm IDE cable to a 4.5 cm connector (which has 60 pins -- I have no idea what kind of connector this is, but it's not IDE). No one so far can help. I even have a good friend who is an engineer at IBM researching, but he's come up blank so far. All the literature and the techies tell me I can put a IDE drive in the Dock II. The connector they all tell me that will work doesn't. I can't imagine that I'm the only person in history to ever want to put an IDE device into a Dock II. Any suggestions? --------------------- Topic: ThinkPad 700 series Hardware Entry#: 19762 Subject: RE: Dock II and internal IDE -- huh? Expiration Date: 09/17/98 mritchie, The Dock II IDE cable which allows users to connect standard IDE hard drives into the left/right hand bay of the IBM Dock II ships in the cable group with a part/fru number of 84G5253. The description for this part is SCSI cable but the cable group contains of the IDE cable, SCSI cable, and CD-ROM Audio cable. This can be ordered from a local dealer or through IBM BOulder Parts at 1-800-388-7080. I hope this helps. Thank you for using the IBM Mobiles Forums. Terry Dow IBM Online HelpCenter Mobiles Lead Product Specialist Windows 98 Upgrade Info: http://www3.pc.ibm.com/support/?page=LWIK-3VJLL8 This entry has been read 16 times! Note Created: Aug 18 15:52:24 1998 Author: ibmterry -----Original Message----- From: JRAMINGO@aol.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 12:40 PM Subject: IDE cable for Dock I >I would like to buy a cable to go from a 3.5" IDE HD to the Dock I 60 pin >connector designated for an IDE HD connection >. >Does anyone on the list have such a cable for sale or know where I might buy >one? > >IBM's page lists the local Computer City store as the dealer, but the store >denies having or knowing of such a cable. One kind member of the list thought >it was an IBM FRU P/N 66G3576 and that it was listed for the Dock II but would >work. > >Thanks, >John Albright From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 16:40:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27684 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04582; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:35:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04491; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04460; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (189.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.189]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id QAA16940; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E1CF50.FA6CFC5C@icanect.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:38:40 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Michaelides CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Funny boot sequence! References: <001f01bdcf10$0f14f520$636a60cb@amlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andreas.. without checking, i think it unlikely that IBM has created a back door, AND, even if so, if you password protect your HDD, NO ONE, not even IBM (or so they claim) can get at the data stored thereon.. however, for a real test, lets send a protected HDD to the CIA or our IRS and let them try.. :-) Andreas Michaelides wrote: > Giday, > > While I installed the new bios on my 770 I noticed a funny boot sequence. I > created the BIOS update disk image and then rebooted. But even before I set > my boot options to use the floopy (I normally have the Hard Disk only as my > boot device), the machine booted off the floppy anyway. I then tried a plain > old DOS boot disk but this time it booted off the hard disk. > > I'm guessing that IBM has created themselves a back door on their boot disks > to bypass the BIOS boot order. > > But isn't this a little dangerous, I always have my boot device as the fixed > disk for security, being able to bypass this doesn't seem right to me. > > Any comments, thoughts?? > > Regards, > Andreas!! > ;-) > > PS. The new BIOS, so far, does fix a few bugs I had with the previous one > 1.21. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad I just went through the same thing approx. 2 months ago...The thing that you have to do is turn down the resolution on the display...I have the same 760CD with one hard drive which has Win95 loaded, and 64meg on board, and it does fine now with 256 color setting and 800x600 resolution. It appears that there is some kind of address specific something in the display driver when you step above the current settings for the display....Just a interesting point for you, I also have another hard drive with NT loaded and it does not seem to have any problem with the 64meg at all. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 16:58:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27987 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05969; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:56:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05845; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.bnsf.com ([208.134.143.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05832; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from FTWLMSPD0002.ISS.BNR.COM by mx.bnsf.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0zB3Gs-0006QRC; Mon, 24 Aug 98 15:31 CDT Received: by FTWLMSPD0002.ISS.BNR.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 3.0) with snapi via CCMAIL id 0056770001094772; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:27:15 -0500 To: " - (052)THINKPAD(a)cs.utk.edu" Cc: " - (052)Black, John" Subject: Re[2]: ThinkPad 760CD memory Message-ID: <0056770001094772000002L722*@MHS> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:27:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: At least with mine, if I attempted to up the color and/or resolution, I got the same screen...with nothing else changing but the screen settings that is why I am looking towards the driver as the possible culprit ....I am using 2/32m Apricorn modules... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory Author: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu at Internet Date: 8/24/98 3:02 PM On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:42:36 -0500, you wrote: > Nick, > > I just went through the same thing approx. 2 months ago...The thing > that you have to do is turn down the resolution on the display...I > have the same 760CD with one hard drive which has Win95 loaded, and > 64meg on board, and it does fine now with 256 color setting and > 800x600 resolution. It appears that there is some kind of address > specific something in the display driver when you step above the > current settings for the display.... I just want to add that I initially (and still) think it might be a problem with the display/video since when the machine hangs, it seems 'stuck' on a very strange looking screen with gibberish all over the place. Normally, when booting up this similar screen appearance flashes for about a second just after the 'Microsoft Windows 98' screen and just before the proper desktop screen (with My Computer icons, etc. and the nice looking background wallpaper) appears - this is normal for my machine by the way. But in my instance, this did not make it to the desktop stage...I am already at the lowest colour setting (256 colours) and the right resolution for my screen size (800x600), so I really don't know where to go explore next (with regards to the video settings). From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 17:23:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28542 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07419; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAB07337; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07325; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.6.237]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980824212116.LNCM133@bp>; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:21:16 +0000 Message-ID: <35E1D922.15E4@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:20:34 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory References: <35e57760.8141394@post.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 760CD has 104 ram by Apricon. Suggest you vist http://www.thinkpads.com Also Insight ships to the UK http://www.insight.com Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 17:34:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28808 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08202; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:33:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08124; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08102; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (bing228.net108.binghamton.edu [128.226.108.228]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA15794; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808242132.RAA15794@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:32:39 -0400 To: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35E1C563.66C179DE@icanect.net> References: <199808221030.GAA05510@mail.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >if you want the full 8.1billion bytes then do this.. >backup your complete OS.. >fdisk your 8.1gig drive and make it one large FAT32 partition.. >format it and then restore your backed up OS.. >simple in theory, but be sure that you CAN restore it.. >the recovery CD will be no good because it does not recognise FAT32.. So, what you're saying is that, indeed, I am not currently using the full 8.1gig of my drive? Reformatting to all FAT32 seems like a bad idea - there seem to be too many weird problems with FAT32. Indeed, the first third-party application I tried to install on my machine (I think it's actually a Windows 3.1 version) simply wouldn't run on my FAT32 partition, but ran just find off the boot partition. Can you explain why the problem exists, that the 8.1gig can't be used under this configuration? Thanks! Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 18:00:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29323 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 18:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09550; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:57:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09454; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09441; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id RAA07915; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:56:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? In-Reply-To: <199808242132.RAA15794@mail.binghamton.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: Just a quick question before anybody reformats his HDD: Have you made sure that your "discrepancy" between actual and usable=20 sizes is not just the old problem with what different people mean by "k",= =20 "M", and "G"? Sorry if I am insulting your intellect, but for those who don't know, a=20 Gigabyte as reported by disk utilities is 1024x1024x1024 Bytes, whereas=20 HDD vendors specify GB's as 1,000,000,000. Determine your actual disk size in terms of Bytes (without prefix) and=20 then compare with the specs at IBM's website. This error of about seven=20 percent, plus some overhead for the partitions and file systems may just=20 be what you are seeing. Alban On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Ken wrote: > >if you want the full 8.1billion bytes then do this.. > >backup your complete OS.. > >fdisk your 8.1gig drive and make it one large FAT32 partition.. > >format it and then restore your backed up OS.. > >simple in theory, but be sure that you CAN restore it.. > >the recovery CD will be no good because it does not recognise FAT32.. >=20 > So, what you're saying is that, indeed, I am not currently using the full > 8.1gig of my drive? >=20 > Reformatting to all FAT32 seems like a bad idea - there seem to be too ma= ny > weird problems with FAT32. Indeed, the first third-party application I > tried to install on my machine (I think it's actually a Windows 3.1 > version) simply wouldn't run on my FAT32 partition, but ran just find off > the boot partition. >=20 > Can you explain why the problem exists, that the 8.1gig can't be used und= er > this configuration? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com > http://free-music.com/ken >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 19:17:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00710 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12828; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:13:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12748; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12724; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA24364; Mon, 24 Aug 98 19:13:45 EDT Message-Id: <35E1F2E0.79A3AB1D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:10:24 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Then there's also the difference between raw sizes and formatted sizes. For example, on the 6.4GB drive on my TP600 (an upgrade), I only see about 6GB total with fdisk or similar. That is, I can pretty much exactly fit three 2GB partitions (or one 6GB) and no more. 6.0/6.4 = 7.6/8.1 = 0.938. Just an idea. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 24 19:27:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00885 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13470; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:24:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13371; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13357; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA22250 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA02584 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:16:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 19:16:56 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? In-Reply-To: <35E1F2E0.79A3AB1D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Lee Hetherington wrote: > Then there's also the difference between raw sizes and formatted sizes. Well, just one anecdote to the counter: I got a new system with a 10GB disk at work. The sysadmin had preformatted it with Win95. Apparently Win95 couldn't see past about 8GB because I got a 2GB primary partition, and a 5.7GB extended partition. The remaining 2GB or so was invisible to Win95, but visible to NT. (Unfortunately, when I formatted it as a primary partition, it remapped my drive letters leaving NT unbootable and forcing me to reinstall everything - that'll teach me not to make recovery disks.) So something funny happens right around the 8GB barrier with Win95's fdisk. My vote is still for the 10^9 vs 2^30 discrepency though. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 09:04:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12060 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10618; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:56:38 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10424; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id IAA09494; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09314; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.6.237]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980824215521.MEXY133@bp>; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 21:55:21 +0000 Message-ID: <35E1E11F.69E1@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:54:39 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nick@bs28ha.demon.co.uk, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory References: <35e57760.8141394@post.demon.co.uk> <35E1D922.15E4@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BirgerPetterson wrote: > > My 760CD has 104 ram by Apricon. > Suggest you vist > http://www.thinkpads.com > Also Insight ships to the UK > http://www.insight.com > > Birger I made a boo-boo. I have a 760 ED not 760 CD. Bill Morrow at www.thinkpads.com can give the straight setup also memory. Do vist his sight. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 09:06:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA12098 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10811; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:59:29 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA10652; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id IAA09560; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21564; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martin (slip202-135-133-138.jk.id.ibm.net [202.135.133.138]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP id XAA11005 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007501bdcfd7$8758bd60$8a8587ca@martin> From: "Sobat Lama" To: Subject: [TP760XD] WIN98, Mwave Modem problem Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:20:24 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hello List! I used TP760XD, Windows98, and already upgrade Mwave 2.2.5a (d/l from www.pc.ibm.com). Before that my computer use Win95 and 33.6 Mwave modem work fine. Why my modem know only detect not more than 28.8K?, is that any BUGs on upgrading software. Any suggestion, help appreciate Regards, Sobat Lama From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 10:13:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA13340 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15479; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:10:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15319; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from na-ex-bridge2.nai.com (na-ex-bridge2.nai.com [208.228.228.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15284; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 10:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by na-ex-bridge2.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:07:01 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Knobbe, Roger" To: "'rj'" Cc: "'ThinkPad List'" Subject: RE: TP701 & Active Desktop Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 07:16:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I've tried a number of times to install the active desktop, on win95 and on NT 4.0 SP3, and on several different machines (toshiba thinkpad 586, dell desktop PII, noname desktop 586). I've never gotten it to work. Something either hangs upon reboot or I get a persistent application error in explorer. I'd be surprised if anybody has been able to download and install the active desktop component for IE4.0. > -----Original Message----- > From: rj [SMTP:rj@cais.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 1998 2:19 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: TP701 & Active Desktop > > I installed IE4.0 SP1 from the MS website. During the install it queries > if it should install Active Desktop and I let it go ahead and install it. > Ever since that time the OS has been doing real funky, flakey things. IF > it makes any difference the OS is NT4.0 SP3 and up to that point it has > wroked without a hitch, very stable and reliably. Has anyone on the list > had problems wiht Active Desktop. At this point I would like to just get > rid of Active Desktop but can't figure out how. Suggestions, short of > reloading the OS (it would be a major pain because I would have to reload > all my apps and I reall dont want to do that) > on how to get rid of Active Desktop would eb greatly > appreciated. > > TIA From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 11:39:03 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14861 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19761; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:36:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19608; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19594; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 11:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:36:28 +0200 (MEST) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:36:28 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP general: APM vs ACPI Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This is not quite what the Linux and FreeBSD TP users are waiting for but it might be interesting to some of us. There is a short IBM paper on the future approach to power management issues: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/THID-3W8PMT.html On the last page of the document, two further addresses are given: Specifications and more technical information on ACPI can be found on the Web at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/. Similar APM information is available at http://pentium.intel.com/ial/powermgm/apmovr.htm. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 12:42:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA16114 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23160; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:39:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23029; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (phr@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22939; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom14.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA00132 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199808251637.JAA00132@netcom14.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: X server on 770 List-Unsubscribe: I finally got Red Hat 5.1 / XFree 3.3.2 installed on my 770-32u. I had to back off the refresh rate from 85 hz to 75 hz, so it looks like the 770 (at least with the 13.3" screen) has slower video than the 770ED. More annoyingly, the server is pretty slow. Scrolling a big xterm oozes. I think it is non-accelerated. Does anyone know if the Cyber 9397 has an accelerated mode? Is it documented? Thanks. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 14:22:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17947 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27211; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:07:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27005; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (uhbhic.uhb.fr [192.134.240.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26992; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibm-770ed (cb1343.uhb.fr [192.134.240.32]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07685 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:06:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <35E2FDBB.6AE9@uhb.fr> Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:08:59 +0200 From: sylvestre meininger X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Various 770ED minor anoyances Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone. Here are 3 weird problems with my otherwise perfectly working 770ED : - I can't activate the MPU-401 Crystal Audio system device. The Thinkpad configuration utility doesn't detect any conflict and lists the device as "fonctioning correctly". But, as soon as I open the conf. utility, it checks the "disactivate" button and when I restart, the MPU-401 device is disactivated. I can reactivate it, but it stays activated only as long as I do not open the conf. utility (I think). The MPU-401 being turned off doesn't seem to have much consequence, except to make modem dialing silent... This problem came up sometime after I got the machine. Now, this is weird, or did I miss something ? Could this have anything to do with the setting in Configuration Panel\Multimedia\MIDI ? - Almost same problem with win95 audio settings : no matter how many times I correct the settings, as soon as I restart they come back to some kind of defaults with some outputs and inputs turned off. Any ideas ? - When I use the Tp in a silent room, I can hear a tiny beep each time I hit a key or a continuous beep when I use the trackpoint. Sometimes, the computer make this beeping sound just by itslef. I don't think there's anything wrong here, just curious... Thanks for any help ! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 18:48:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22666 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10145; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:44:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09987; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09960; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diebold (user-38ldeej.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.185.211]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA05462 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980825184612.007ce540@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:46:12 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED] Red X over Ultrabay Icon on taskbar after SUSPEND Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I have just noticed that when I have my Floppy Drive inside the ultrabay and I resume my computer (after going into SUSPEND mode) then the Ultrabay Icon on the taskbar has a RED X over it. A red X would probably mean the ultrabay is disabled on cannot be open; HOWEVER, when I click on the icon, everything is fine. The drive works, etc... If I remove the floppy and pop it back in then the red X disappears. Even though everything functions correctly, it still bothers me seeing that RED X! Has anyone experienced this? If not, try it....tell me what happens. Thanks to all of you in advance. Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Tue Aug 25 21:30:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24936 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14989; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:26:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14790; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14778; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diebold (user-38ldf9n.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.189.55]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05709 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980825212803.007c91e0@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 21:28:03 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Red X over Ultrabay Icon on taskbar after SUSPEND Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >I have just noticed that when I have my Floppy Drive inside the ultrabay and I resume >my computer (after going into SUSPEND mode) then the Ultrabay Icon on the taskbar has >a RED X over it. > >A red X would probably mean the ultrabay is disabled on cannot be open; HOWEVER, when >I click on the icon, everything is fine. The drive works, etc... > >If I remove the floppy and pop it back in then the red X disappears. > >Even though everything functions correctly, it still bothers me seeing that RED X! > >Has anyone experienced this? If not, try it....tell me what happens. > >Thanks to all of you in advance. > >Jean-Pierre For those of you who haven't done so already, the above problem is solved by simply upgrading the IBM Utility Diskette for Windows 95 to version 4.12. You can find this in the Thinkpad support (IBM site). Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 00:11:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27598 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19900; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:10:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19784; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19751; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diebold (user-38lde1j.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.184.51]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA25669 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980826001014.007d4720@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:10:14 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED] Protection cover for battery bay Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I can find a cover for the bay when the battery is not being used? The IBM site mentions a travel cover by Compu-Lock but when I go to their site they only feature security products and alarms. I have heard that such a cover exists....any suggestions? Jean-Pierre PS: There is a piece of flexible rubber that came with my 770ED...Does anyone know what it is for? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 00:55:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA28304 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21376; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21269; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dewdrop2.mindspring.com (dewdrop2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21257; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from diebold (user-38ldehn.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.186.55]) by dewdrop2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20684 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980826005605.007b3590@mindspring.com> X-Sender: jdiebold@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:56:05 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jean-Pierre Diebold Subject: [TP770ED] What is Crystal PnP Audio System MPU-401 Compatible? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The Device Manager Properties lists the following component in the Sound, video and game controllers: Crystal PnP Audio System MPU-401 Compatible. Can anyone tell me what this MPU-401 Compatible refers to? Also, my system shows a red X over it. Thanks Jean-Pierre From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 01:17:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA29009 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22196; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:16:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22104; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22084; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AM (AM [202.27.179.238]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id qa292750 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:16:26 -0400 Message-ID: <003301bdd0b1$42f6c7e0$43b31bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: TP701 & Active Desktop Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:20:27 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >I've tried a number of times to install the active desktop, on win95 and on >NT 4.0 SP3, and on several different machines (toshiba thinkpad 586, dell >desktop PII, noname desktop 586). I've never gotten it to work. Something >either hangs upon reboot or I get a persistent application error in >explorer. I'd be surprised if anybody has been able to download and install >the active desktop component for IE4.0. Well prepare to be suprised!! I've installed it on serveral machines, including my thinkpad 770, everytime on NT4 sp3, without a problem. I've got no idea what you could be doing wrong. I've also installed it on about a dozen win95 machines, problem free. I've removed the active destop from a couple of slower computers with not much memory because it really slowed them down. FYI. I've installed IE4 betas, IE4.0 IE4.01 and IE4.01 SP1 (current) and not had any problems. Both upgrades and fresh installs. Later, Andreas!! ;-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 01:23:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA29093 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22543; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:22:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22458; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22409; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p46-m13-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p46-m13-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [202.27.179.238]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id ra292751 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:22:05 -0400 Message-ID: <004401bdd0b2$0cfceba0$43b31bca@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: Subject: Re: Various 770ED minor anoyances Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:26:07 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >- I can't activate the MPU-401 Crystal Audio system device. The Thinkpad >configuration utility doesn't detect any conflict and lists the device >as "fonctioning correctly". But, as soon as I open the conf. utility, it >checks the "disactivate" button and when I restart, the MPU-401 device >is disactivated. I can reactivate it, but it stays activated only as >long as I do not open the conf. utility (I think). The MPU-401 being >turned off doesn't seem to have much consequence, except to make modem >dialing silent... The silent dialing is NOT from having the MPU-401 disabled. It's disabled in my 770 and I always hear my built in modem dial. ie. Dial tone, dial tones, and handshaking sounds. Must be some other reason you don't have these sounds. I've never even tried to enable the MPU-401, from my understanding you need a docking station or maybe a port replicator to access this port, as I have neither... It's a drag that there is no Joystick port on the back, I'd luv 2 play occasionally, on my breaks from work of course. Does anyone know of a standard joystick -> USB converter?? Later, Andreas!! ;-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 09:31:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05160 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10408; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10082; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isnet.is.bgsm.edu (root@isnet.is.wfubmc.edu [152.11.118.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10069; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relito.medeng.bgsm.edu (relito.medeng.wfubmc.edu [152.11.242.19]) by isnet.is.bgsm.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16310 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edith ([152.11.1.96]) by relito.medeng.bgsm.edu (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id JAA29028 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Craig A. Hamilton" To: Subject: [TP600] New User Comments & Questions Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:24:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000201bdd0f4$df12f0c0$60010b98@edith.medeng.bgsm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all: I am the proud owner of a TP600, model 264551U, 266MHz with 160MB RAM, 4GB disk, SelectaBase (the port replicator, not the docking station), Ethernet PCMCIA, SCSI PCMCIA->Zip drive, and spare battery. I'm running Windoze95. I am very happy with the machine overall. A few of comments/questions: 1. I was disappointed to find that there is no way to charge my spare battery outside of the TP600. Has anyone rigged up a connector so that the AC adapter can be plugged directly into the battery? (My old Gateway Solo allowed that and it was very handy.) 2. I find that I have to shutdown completely when I dock or undock it from the port replicator. The machine sometimes has problems when I try it in suspend or hibernate mode. 3. I can't seem to get the mousewheel on my external MS Intellimouse working without completely disabling the trackpoint. Are the mousewheel and the trackpoint simply mutually exclusive? -Craig A. Hamilton,PhD cah@medeng.wfubmc.edu -Wake Forest Univ. School of Medicine -Dept. of Med. Engr. / MRI Center -Medical Center Blvd. -Winston-Salem, NC 27157-1022 -(336)716-2819 [FAX: 2870] [Secr: 6890] From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 09:52:44 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA05631 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11759; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:49:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11535; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11507; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-6-140.wireless.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA06443; Wed, 26 Aug 98 09:48:56 EDT Message-Id: <35E4124D.CA8581C4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:49:01 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Craig A. Hamilton" Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP600] New User Comments & Questions References: <000201bdd0f4$df12f0c0$60010b98@edith.medeng.bgsm.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Craig A. Hamilton wrote: > 1. I was disappointed to find that there is no > way to charge my spare battery outside of > the TP600. Has anyone rigged up a connector > so that the AC adapter can be plugged directly > into the battery? (My old Gateway Solo allowed > that and it was very handy.) You can buy an external battery charger. Note that it does not include an AC adaptor. I can't remember the part number, but it is on www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad under power accessories. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 11:19:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07081 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16886; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:15:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16694; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16682; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06567; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:15:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA06563; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:15:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980826110502.00a0de80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:05:02 -0400 To: I Lee Hetherington , "Craig A. Hamilton" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: [TP600] New User Comments & Questions Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <35E4124D.CA8581C4@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <000201bdd0f4$df12f0c0$60010b98@edith.medeng.bgsm.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:49 AM 8/26/98 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >You can buy an external battery charger. Note that it does not include >an AC adaptor. I can't remember the part number, but it is on >www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad under power accessories. > P/N 02K6499 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 11:57:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA07696 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19203; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:55:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19079; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19063; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gummi.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA07281; Wed, 26 Aug 98 11:55:08 EDT Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-Id: <35E42FDC.651E27C9@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:55:08 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 i86pc) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: new TP600 BIOS and Linux: no help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just tried the new TP600 BIOS (v1.03, 8/25/98) and it had no effect on the suspend/resume problem in Linux. Oh well. I'm beginning to wonder if suspend/resume will ever work in Linux on my TP600. :-( --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 12:32:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08337 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21526; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:24:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21048; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tam.dorsai.org (root@tam.dorsai.org [206.127.32.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21029; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (higgins@amanda.dorsai.org [206.127.32.130]) by tam.dorsai.org (8.8.4/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13977 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Received: (higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.8.5/8.6.12) id MAA03775 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261627.MAA03775@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: 560e Newbie: What to Kill? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:00 -0400 (edt) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: So I got my first Thinkpad this week, a 560e 166mhz 16mb Ram (soon to go to 80mb). Since my 2.1 gig drive came already loaded with 500mb worth of gunk converting to Fat32 and installing CleanSweep were early priorities. But what is safe to dump. The online services, the 30mb AVI TP tour and Intellink were the first to go. But what among these stray TP bits am I actually going to need? I'm a writer, so I'll be using this for word processing, surfing, the occasional game, and a few other stray tasks. I never expect this thing to hook up to a network, I never expect to use the infared transport, I never expect to be using any intensive video or presentation applications. Co-Session I guess I keep, since it seems to be a diagnostic thing. NetFinity (whatever that is)? IBM Network Connection? Lotus SmartSuite will probably be history (I live in a MS-Word world unfortunately. And even then, I need to go hunting for a lean copy of Word 6.0 or Office 95.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 12:33:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08354 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21541; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21304; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.dwave.net (whizkid@home.dwave.net [207.0.68.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21288; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (whizkid@localhost) by home.dwave.net (8.8.8/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA26536 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:29:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:29:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FS: New Xtend TP 365 Battery $70 shipped Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bought at an auction by mistake (no sniggering). New, factory sealed Xtend (xmpi.com) #B303 battery. Higher capacity than original IBM battery. Works in all 365 models -- C, CS, CD, CSD, E, ED, X, XD. US$70 OBO including shipping. E-mail if interested. Chris Schumann From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 12:40:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA08422 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22262; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:36:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22114; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firewall.hd.ibm.de (firewall.hd.ibm.de [192.101.197.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22047; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com by firewall.hd.ibm.de (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03/TWS 4.03.3-cherub) id AA119542; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:29:14 +0200 Received: from pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com (pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com [9.228.3.108]) by mailserver.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.4-mailserver) with ESMTP id SAA45536 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:34:28 +0200 (MSZ) Received: (from krumeich@localhost) by pool8.heidelbg.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7 / TWS 8.7.2-pool) id SAA34672; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:34:27 +0200 (MSZ) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:34:27 +0200 (MSZ) From: Alexander Krumeich Reply-To: Krumeich@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de To: ThinkPad List Subject: TP600: New Bios, suspend under Linux Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I Lee Hatherington wrote: >I just tried the new TP600 BIOS (v1.03, 8/25/98) and it had no effect on >the suspend/resume problem in Linux. Oh well. I'm beginning to wonder >if suspend/resume will ever work in Linux on my TP600. :-( It's really a pity. After Christoph Eyrich's posting to the list yesterdays (about ACPI and APM) I have the slight hope that we will be able to standby/suspend when Linux gets ACPI support -- which I suppose it will. BTW -- I got rid of my Accelerated X problems once and for all: I now use the free X server distributed by RedHat. The dealer I bought Accelerated X >from asked me to send the package back and said that they will refund my money. Since cooperative behaviour like this is extremely rare in Germany, I am very happy about this solution -- and about the DEM 400 they are going to send me. :-) CU, Alexander -- Alexander Krumeich Krumeich@cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de http://www.cl-ki.uni-osnabrueck.de/~krumeich/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 13:01:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA08824 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:01:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24024; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:58:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23897; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zluh.org ([198.215.176.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23841; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bill ([129.112.113.21]) by zluh.org; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:56:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bdd112$87d8f0c0$15717081@bill> From: "Bill Strutton" To: Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:56:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDD0E8.9DFF8280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDD0E8.9DFF8280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUBSCRIBE ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDD0E8.9DFF8280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BDD0E8.9DFF8280-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 13:24:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09155 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25461; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:21:13 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25354; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id NAA01078; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24839; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jerrycud ([12.79.0.178]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980826171016.HIYZ28491@jerrycud> for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:10:16 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980826033652.00814e20@postoffice.att.net> X-Sender: JERRYRAY@postoffice.att.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:36:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Cudmore Subject: New Bios 770ED & ACPI Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: So I installed the newest 770ED bios (ver1.22) It said something about ACPI, What do we have to do with Windows98 to use ACPI, and has anyone done this? Jerry Cudmore From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 13:46:25 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09509 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26956; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26732; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26712; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms154504 (user-38lcbp7.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.47.39]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07330; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808261742.NAA07330@camel7.mindspring.com> X-Sender: rchalk@mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:42:59 -0400 To: Ray Bayles , Bruce Markowitz From: Richard Chalk Subject: Re: Need help with SelectaDock 2 Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <19980823015644.DMJB8466@760> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think the writer here is confused between the Dock II, and the SelectaDock II. The reply given is correct for the Dock II, which is the one available at the referenced address. The Selectadock II is newer, and requires the SelectaBase for the 760 to be useful. This is available new for about $150. I have a Base, and SelectaDock I which I will sell for $250, shipped. Not as big as the II, but still useful... Richard At 10:18 PM 8/22/98 -0600, Ray Bayles wrote: >The 760 goes right on it... sets on it then slides back >on a "ramp" or "rack" to plug right onto the connector pins >... > >By the way, you can buy the Selectadock II for $99 on >the bottom of the portables section of www.onsale.com... >refurbished by one of IBM's official contractors... Datapath >or NEI... plus shipping of course... it comes in a big box >so the shipping is like $31... it comes with a SCAM setup for >SCSI-2 50-pin... but no manual... it's main feature is the SCSI, >plus security... power connections, etc... has speakers included >that are substantially better than the 760... the security feature >includes a lock system that prevents the thinkpad from being easily >stolen... and a key to prevent unauthorized use.... It is big... at >least as wide as a regular keyboard and 8 inches high... where the >Dock 2 is very small in comparison... You need a separate proprietary >cable to install an iBM thinkpad hard drive... but I ordered 2 Gb >SCSI-2 hard drives from Onsale for $99.00 > > >I own one I bought new and have just ordered a second... >let me know if you come across suppliers of the IDE adapter, scsi >hardware to install CD ROM and SCSI hard drive... > >I don't think it can do a video card directly, but has lots of >ports on the back... I haven't thot about that... but it can power >a regular size monitor, keyboard, and mouse. > >Somebody told me it has a power limit that is fairly low in total >amps because of what the thinkpad draws when it is plugged in... > > >On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >> I have an opportunity to buy a SelectaDock 2 for $200 >> I need to know: >> Does this unit require the Selectadock 1 BASE unit, or does the 760 go >> right onto it? >> Other than the two PCI slots, does thing do anything for me that the Dock 2 >> does not? >> Can it run a video card in it? Will that card run the LCD, or just an >> external monitor? >> Thanks! >> > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 15:20:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11189 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01423; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:13:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01169; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01151; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from userid (pool010-dwan9.pw-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.133.160]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA26493 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:13:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Ginstling" To: Subject: new TP 600- some questions Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:14:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi- I'm just learning my way around my new TP600 (P266 w/ 64MB ram) and have some questions: Regarding power management: 1)I find that whenever the battery runs low and I plug in the AC adaptor to charge it and USE the computer, I almost immediately run quite low on system resources, and within a few minutes the system locks up at 0% resources and I have to reboot and wait for it to recharge before continuing to use it- is this normal? Shouldn't I be able to use the system on AC power while the battery charges? (pardon my ignorance if this is a basic and/or stupid question, but i'm brand new to laptops...) 2)I have a more basic question about power management- can someone, in simple English, detail the distinctions between standby/suspend/hibernation mode? I've read the manual and online help and, to be honest, I'm still not completely clear on the differences... any help would be appreciated, TIA Gary G ginsuransom@earthlink.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 16:06:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12049 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04676; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04563; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from almaak.usc.edu (almaak.usc.edu [128.125.253.166]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04543; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RJWLaptop.usc.edu (ciscoserv-230-058.usc.edu [128.125.230.58]) by almaak.usc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/usc) with SMTP id NAA18025; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808262002.NAA18025@almaak.usc.edu> X-Sender: vwhittle@rcf.usc.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:01:07 -0700 To: "Gary Ginstling" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: new TP 600- some questions In-Reply-To: <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:14 PM 8/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >1)I find that whenever the battery runs low and I plug in the AC adaptor to >charge it and USE the computer, I almost immediately run quite low on system >resources, and within a few minutes the system locks up at 0% resources and >I have to reboot and wait for it to recharge before continuing to use it- is >this normal? Shouldn't I be able to use the system on AC power while the >battery charges? (pardon my ignorance if this is a basic and/or stupid >question, but i'm brand new to laptops...) That seems weird. Doesn't happen to me (I don't think). Sorry I can't help on this one. >2)I have a more basic question about power management- can someone, in >simple English, detail the distinctions between standby/suspend/hibernation >mode? I've read the manual and online help and, to be honest, I'm still not >completely clear on the differences... I'm not sure what you're referring to by "Standby", but my guess is it just turns the backlight and the screen off. That saves no small amount of energy. You may also be speaking of when it quits spinning the hard drive or CD ROM drive. Suspend: Everything gets shut down except power to the memory (to keep it refreshed) and a trickle of power to the CPU. This makes it so only the barest minimum of power is used to keep stuff "alive" on your machine and can last for days (weeks?) if done on a full charge, but it *does* use some level of battery juice--just a miniscule amount. Hibernate: Everything in the active memory is saved to a special (large) file on the hard drive and then the computer shuts off completely--uses no juice. Upon re-activation, that part of the hard drive is loaded into memory and voila--you're right back exactly where you started from. This "Hibernation File" is the size of your RAM memory (i.e., if you have 64 MB of RAM, you'll have a 64 MB Hibernation File on your "C" drive). Clear as mud? Personally I have very little (well, zero) use for the Hibernation Feature. If I'm going to shut down, I'll shut down. Otherwise, I go into Suspend. "Standby" is more of a component-level thing for while you're still using the computer, so if you're writing the great american novel, it probably doesn't need to access the HD very much and you can have it stand down if it hasn't been used for 30 seconds, but it will kick up to speed when asked to (i.e., you save your file). ------- Randy Whittle rwhittle@usa.net *Every* man dies. Not every man really LIVES! - William Wallace, 15th Century Scottish Freedom Fighter From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 16:47:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA12760 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07222; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:41:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07084; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07072; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (ppp35.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.35]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA10657; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808262041.QAA10657@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:41:21 -0400 To: Randal Whittle , "Gary Ginstling" , TP List From: Ken Subject: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate In-Reply-To: <199808262002.NAA18025@almaak.usc.edu> References: <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:01 PM 8/26/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Suspend: Everything gets shut down except power to the memory (to keep it >refreshed) and a trickle of power to the CPU. This makes it so only the >barest minimum of power is used to keep stuff "alive" on your machine and >can last for days (weeks?) if done on a full charge, but it *does* use some I was led to believe (by IBM's own information? and by how other notebooks' suspend features also work) that the computer won't last more than a day in suspend mode, off a charged battery. > Hibernate: Everything in the active memory is saved to a special (large) >"Hibernation File" is the size of your RAM memory (i.e., if you have 64 MB >of RAM, you'll have a 64 MB Hibernation File on your "C" drive). (Actually, it's the size of your RAM plus 1 MB. So, for 64 MB RAM, the file is 65 MB.) > Personally I have very little (well, zero) use for the Hibernation It's particularly important for when you've run the battery down to the end, and suspend won't do, or if you've gone into suspend mode but the battery trickles down too low. On my TP 770ED there are various options to set about this. Ken kenzo@free-music.com http://free-music.com/ken From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 19:36:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15616 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01009; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:30:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00474; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00457; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 70.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.70]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980826221815.LZJL14950@70.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:18:15 +0000 From: epbrown@enteract.com (Emanuel Brown) To: TP List Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:19:07 GMT Message-ID: <35e8885a.11706934@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> <199808262041.QAA10657@mail.binghamton.edu> In-Reply-To: <199808262041.QAA10657@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:41:21 -0400, Ken wrote: |At 01:01 PM 8/26/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: |> Suspend: Everything gets shut down except power to the memory (to = keep it |>refreshed) and a trickle of power to the CPU. This makes it so only = the |>barest minimum of power is used to keep stuff "alive" on your machine = and |>can last for days (weeks?) if done on a full charge, but it *does* use = some | |I was led to believe (by IBM's own information? and by how other = notebooks' |suspend features also work) that the computer won't last more than a day= in |suspend mode, off a charged battery. Whoever told you this was in error. My 560 has lasted as long as 4 days in Suspend mode on a fully charged battery, and battery life was 82% when I opened the lid and started to work again. I've regularly suspended for about 24 hours, and the usual power reading is 96-98%. =09 |> Hibernate: Everything in the active memory is saved to a special = (large) |>"Hibernation File" is the size of your RAM memory (i.e., if you have 64= MB |>of RAM, you'll have a 64 MB Hibernation File on your "C" drive). | |(Actually, it's the size of your RAM plus 1 MB. So, for 64 MB RAM, the |file is 65 MB.) =09 Actually, it's the size of your RAM and the VRAM. | |> Personally I have very little (well, zero) use for the Hibernation | |It's particularly important for when you've run the battery down to the |end, and suspend won't do, or if you've gone into suspend mode but the |battery trickles down too low. On my TP 770ED there are various options= to |set about this. | I've often come to a point so low that Hibernate mode won't engage, because there isn't enough battery life to write the data to drive, I guess. But when you set the option to hibernate on low power, it seems to shut off too soon.=20 epbrown Web Pages: The Comp.Sys.Laptops FAQ http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown The Critical List http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown/critical_list.html From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 19:46:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15990 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02651; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:41:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01969; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passnotes.share.org (passnotes.share.org [192.111.120.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01952; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: by passnotes.share.org(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.06 (346.4 3-18-1997)) id 8625666C.0080C7D2 ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:26:37 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SHARE INC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <8625666C.0080740D.00@passnotes.share.org> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:25:55 -0500 Subject: 64mb dimm in original tp560? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have one of the original TP560 models (not E or X). IBM says I can at most put in a 32mb dimm. Has anyone tried to see if a 64MB dimm works on it?. Thanks. Rich From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 19:48:21 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16092 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02970; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:42:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02255; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02238; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA10195; Wed, 26 Aug 98 18:13:09 EDT Message-Id: <35E487C4.1F6D6154@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:10:12 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Cc: Randal Whittle , Gary Ginstling , TP List Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate References: <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> <199808262041.QAA10657@mail.binghamton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ken wrote: > I was led to believe (by IBM's own information? and by how other notebooks' > suspend features also work) that the computer won't last more than a day in > suspend mode, off a charged battery. I've had a 760 suspend for well over a week. I believe the LCD indicates it could last for about 14 days! I've definitely suspended for several days with a 770 and a 600. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 20:54:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA17526 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01397; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:50:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01164; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01151; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.11] (SoCal56k114.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.14]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id OAA17038 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:35:30 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199808262041.QAA10657@mail.binghamton.edu> References: <199808262002.NAA18025@almaak.usc.edu> <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:09:10 -0700 To: TP List From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate List-Unsubscribe: >> Hibernate: Everything in the active memory is saved to a special >>(large) >>"Hibernation File" is the size of your RAM memory (i.e., if you have 64 MB >>of RAM, you'll have a 64 MB Hibernation File on your "C" drive). > >(Actually, it's the size of your RAM plus 1 MB. So, for 64 MB RAM, the >file is 65 MB.) > >> Personally I have very little (well, zero) use for the Hibernation > >It's particularly important for when you've run the battery down to the >end, and suspend won't do, or if you've gone into suspend mode but the >battery trickles down too low. On my TP 770ED there are various options to >set about this. Too bad you might not have the power left to spin up the HD and do a save to it. I have a small line conditioner, and once in awhile I forget to turn it on, so I am running off battery instead of AC and don't realize it until I get the warning message. My record is mixed for my brain figuring out I need to flip the power switch on the line conditioner on before its too late. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 21:58:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19028 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05286; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:53:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04820; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04808; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06526; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:53:05 -1000 Message-ID: <001101bdd15d$84895b80$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: , Subject: Re: 64mb dimm in original tp560? Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:53:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Hi, I have one of the original TP560 models (not E or X). IBM says I can at >most put in a 32mb dimm. Has anyone tried to see if a 64MB dimm works on >it?. Thanks. I just did this. Make sure you have a fairly recent BIOS. Also, some generic dimms don't seem to work with this machine (at least the two I got from chipmerchant didn't). The going price for a generic DIMM is about $95, while some dealers list PNY modules for under $110 (but check the stock!)and the Viking dimm I eventually bought was $124 (from Insight). David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 26 22:01:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19107 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05611; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:57:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05341; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05311; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:57:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06594; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:57:27 -1000 Message-ID: <002601bdd15e$205def80$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:58:02 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: While we're on this subject: I usually use a safe suspend on my 560 (i.e., save memory to disk then suspend instead of hibernate). This saves me some time on resume. However, resumption is still far from immediate for me - the machine putters around for 30 seconds or more before giving me control. Is this the norm? (BTW, I'm running W95.) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 00:11:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA21312 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12809; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:09:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:06:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12540; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12516; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id AAA14323; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:03:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM wireless LAN entry adaptor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: I was wondering if anybody has ever got these PC Cards (P/N 92G7787) to=20 work under Windows NT. The drivers supplied are only for Windows 95. IBM's web page on these=20 cards ("http://www.networking.ibm.com/wireles/wdprods/jb.htm") claims that = they=20 will run under Windows NT. How different are Windows 95 drivers from Windows NT drivers? For some=20 devices I am using, the Windows 95 drivers also work with Windows NT. Alban -- A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 00:48:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22187 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15308; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:44:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15143; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15131; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou (pool1-37.usr1.smartlink.net [206.117.155.102]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA15514 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:44:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980826214347.00924100@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:43:47 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: WIN98 on 380ED? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone installed Win98 on a 380ED? I will need to have it on one laptop for training purposes. I expect to use System Commander to move between Win95 and Win98. Will I need a BIOS upgrade? Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 00:59:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA22336 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15688; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:55:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15598; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com [198.133.22.42]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15586; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.server.ibm.com (relay3.server.ibm.com [9.14.2.100]) by smtp3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA59278; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:39:42 -0400 Received: from US.IBM.COM (d03lms02.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.80.12]) by relay3.server.ibm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA28404; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:54:07 -0400 Received: by US.IBM.COM (Soft-Switch LMS 2.0) with snapi via D03AU006 id 5030200035075567; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:04:55 -0400 From: Drew Gazey To: Cc: Subject: Re: WIN98 on 380ED? Message-ID: <5030200035075567000002L072*@MHS> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:04:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: See the following WWW for BIOS and driver updates as well as a detaile= d step-by-step on doing this upgrade ... http://www.pc.ibm.com/techinfo/12eaa.html Drew. #include Please respond to louw@prefer.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu cc: Subject: WIN98 on 380ED? Has anyone installed Win98 on a 380ED? I will need to have it on one laptop for training purposes. I expect to use System Commander to move= between Win95 and Win98. Will I need a BIOS upgrade? Warm regards, -lou- = From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 10:03:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA29793 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08593; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:59:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08294; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenger.si.com (firewall-user@challenger.si.com [206.26.44.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08282; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by challenger.si.com; id JAA16910; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from checkers.si.com(126.1.8.254) by challenger.si.com via smap (4.1) id xma016808; Thu, 27 Aug 98 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from esseye.si.com (lucy.si.com) by checkers.si.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:22 -0400 Received: from catalina.si.com(really [126.5.1.111]) by esseye.si.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #16 built 1997-Oct-16) Received: by catalina.si.com via sendmail with stdio id for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 1997-Oct-18) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David Furman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP360PE] Getting the pen to work in Word List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, I've recently acquired a refurbished TP360PE running Win95. The pen works well in almost all applications, except for Word 7.0. Is there something I need to do to enable pen input? TIA, davidf (david.furman@usa.net) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 10:13:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00110 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09220; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:06:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09039; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from challenger.si.com (firewall-user@challenger.si.com [206.26.44.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09025; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by challenger.si.com; id KAA18268; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from checkers.si.com(126.1.8.254) by challenger.si.com via smap (4.1) id xma018120; Thu, 27 Aug 98 10:05:46 -0400 Received: from esseye.si.com (lucy.si.com) by checkers.si.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:05:40 -0400 Received: from catalina.si.com(really [126.5.1.111]) by esseye.si.com via sendmail with esmtp id for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #16 built 1997-Oct-16) Received: by catalina.si.com via sendmail with stdio id for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.94 1997-Apr-22 #18 built 1997-Oct-18) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: David Furman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP360PE] Getting the pen to work in Word List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, I've recently acquired a refurbished TP360PE running Win95. The pen works well in almost all applications, except for Word 7.0. Is there something I need to do to enable pen input? TIA, davidf (david.furman@usa.net) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 11:10:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01068 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12636; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:04:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12428; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm04sm.pmm.mci.net (pm04sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.153]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12390; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpad (usr50-dialup55.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27036) with SMTP id <0EYC00FAUSEQ2G@PM04SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:05:45 -0400 From: Mike Wenczel Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <002301bdd1cc$409ff400$224937a6@tpad> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1AA.A38E4F20" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1AA.A38E4F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I received my laptop a few days ago and just wanted to register my = comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. Specs: PII 266, 128mb, = 8.1gb, Win95.=20 Great screen. I had been using a 17" MAG that came with my Gateway 2000 = desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the CRT is until a side by side = comparison with this TFT. I also now find the curvature on the CRT = annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway will = become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client = sites and on vacation.=20 Win95 seems stable except for the common "hang on shutdown" problem. I = haven't bothered to investigate this as I'll be moving to NT. I'll be = installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the = IBM site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus = card. Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb). Does anyone know of = any problems on NT with this card?=20 Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard that came with the = Gateway. Overall system performance is very satisfying compared to the P166 = Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very convenient. = Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really = interested in the DVD but it came with this model and graphics board = option (which was important).=20 One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this = machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under = the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX = chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec = sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.=20 In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back on the NT install. Mike Wenczel Wenczel Consulting ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1AA.A38E4F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I received my laptop a few days ago = and just=20 wanted to register my comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. = Specs: PII=20 266, 128mb, 8.1gb, Win95.
 
Great screen. I had been using a = 17" MAG=20 that came with my Gateway 2000 desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the = CRT is=20 until a side by side comparison with this TFT. I also now find the = curvature on=20 the CRT annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway = will=20 become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client = sites and on=20 vacation.
 
Win95 seems stable except for the = common=20 "hang on shutdown" problem. I haven't bothered to investigate = this as=20 I'll be moving to NT. I'll be = installing NT4=20 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the IBM site. I am = using a=20 Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus card. Very fast on Win95 = on my=20 soho network (10mb).  Does anyone know of any problems on NT with = this=20 card?
 
Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard = that came=20 with the Gateway.
 
Overall system performance is very satisfying = compared to the=20 P166 Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very = convenient.=20 Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really=20 interested in the DVD but it came with this model and graphics board = option=20 (which was important).
 
One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops = suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of = purchase I was=20 under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel = 440BX=20 chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec = sheets on=20 the IBM site to confirm this.
 
In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back = on the NT=20 install.
 
Mike Wenczel
Wenczel Consulting
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1AA.A38E4F20-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 11:36:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01568 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14161; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:34:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14053; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.1.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14041; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg130-079.ricochet.net [204.179.130.79]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19837; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002001bdd1d0$2c9f6bd0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Mike Wenczel" , Cc: Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:34:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD195.7B67BB90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD195.7B67BB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike, You are going to have problems with that Network card, as I did. The = most recent drivers seem to have problems on Thinkpads. I have a TP600 = with a PII/233 and it uses a very similar set of hardware. There is good news though... Mike Geary, another member of the list, very kindly helped me by = supplying an older set of driver software that is no longer on the 3Com = FTP site. This older software is solid. By now there may be BIOS updates that take care of the issue, but if you = have difficulties, Mike or I can help. David Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wenczel To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase =20 =20 I received my laptop a few days ago and just wanted to register my = comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. Specs: PII 266, 128mb, = 8.1gb, Win95.=20 =20 Great screen. I had been using a 17" MAG that came with my Gateway = 2000 desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the CRT is until a side by side = comparison with this TFT. I also now find the curvature on the CRT = annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway will = become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client = sites and on vacation.=20 =20 Win95 seems stable except for the common "hang on shutdown" problem. = I haven't bothered to investigate this as I'll be moving to NT. I'll be = installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the = IBM site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus = card. Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb). Does anyone know of = any problems on NT with this card?=20 =20 Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard that came with = the Gateway. =20 Overall system performance is very satisfying compared to the P166 = Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very convenient. = Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really = interested in the DVD but it came with this model and graphics board = option (which was important).=20 =20 One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this = machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under = the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX = chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec = sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.=20 =20 In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back on the NT = install. =20 Mike Wenczel Wenczel Consulting ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD195.7B67BB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
You=20 are going to have problems with that Network card, as I did.  The = most=20 recent drivers seem to have problems on Thinkpads.  I have a TP600 = with a=20 PII/233 and it uses a very similar set of hardware.
 
There is good news = though...
 
Mike Geary, another member of the list, = very kindly=20 helped me by supplying an older set of driver software that is no longer = on the=20 3Com FTP site.  This older software is solid.
 
By now there may be BIOS updates that = take care of=20 the issue, but if you have difficulties, Mike or I can = help.
 
David Taylor
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Mike Wenczel <m.wenczel@mci2000.com>
To:=20 THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu = <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:10 AM
Subject: [TP770ED] = Recent=20 Purchase

I received my laptop a few days = ago and just=20 wanted to register my comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. = Specs:=20 PII 266, 128mb, 8.1gb, Win95.
 
Great screen. I had been using a = 17"=20 MAG that came with my Gateway 2000 desktop. I didn't realize how = fuzzy the=20 CRT is until a side by side comparison with this TFT. I also now = find the=20 curvature on the CRT annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation = and the=20 gateway will become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the = TP at=20 client sites and on vacation.
 
Win95 seems stable except for = the common=20 "hang on shutdown" problem. I haven't bothered to = investigate this=20 as I'll be moving to NT. I'll = be=20 installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from = the IBM=20 site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus = card.=20 Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb).  Does anyone know = of any=20 problems on NT with this card?
 
Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap = keyboard that=20 came with the Gateway.
 
Overall system performance is very satisfying = compared to=20 the P166 Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very=20 convenient. Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I = wasn't=20 really interested in the DVD but it came with this model and = graphics board=20 option (which was important).
 
One other question: I saw a post in = comp.sys.laptops=20 suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of = purchase I=20 was under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the = Intel=20 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed = spec=20 sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.
 
In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report = back on the=20 NT install.
 
Mike Wenczel
Wenczel = Consulting
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD195.7B67BB90-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 11:51:29 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01845 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15028; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:45:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14892; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14874; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paddy (mg134-063.ricochet.net [204.179.134.63]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29151; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:44:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199808271544.KAA29151@rgate2.ricochet.net> X-Sender: geary@bolero.rahul.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:44:32 -0700 To: "David W. Taylor" , "Mike Wenczel" , From: Michael Geary Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase In-Reply-To: <002001bdd1d0$2c9f6bd0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_42747497==_.ALT" List-Unsubscribe: --=====================_42747497==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Unfortunately, there is *no* driver that will run the > > 3CCFE575 in a ThinkPad under NT4. The old driver that David and I used works > only with the old 3C575TX. Unless 3Com has posted a driver newer than 2.0, > there is no way to get the 3CCFE575 to work at all. > > The only thing I can suggest is to return it and get a Xircom card instead. > I'm running their CardBus 10/100 in the TP600 and the TP760E. The only thing > I had to do special was change the memory address from the very large value > it had initially to a smaller value--I used 0xC8000 and it worked fine. > At 08:34 AM 8/27/98 , David W. Taylor wrote: > > Mike, > You are going to have problems with that Network card, as I did. The most > recent drivers seem to have problems on Thinkpads. I have a TP600 with a > PII/233 and it uses a very similar set of hardware. > > There is good news though... > > Mike Geary, another member of the list, very kindly helped me by supplying an > older set of driver software that is no longer on the 3Com FTP site. This > older software is solid. > > By now there may be BIOS updates that take care of the issue, but if you have > difficulties, Mike or I can help. > > David Taylor >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Wenczel <m.wenczel@mci2000.com> >> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu> >> Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:10 AM >> Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase >> >> I received my laptop a few days ago and just wanted to register my comments. >> This is my first laptop and 5th pc. Specs: PII 266, 128mb, 8.1gb, Win95. >> >> Great screen. I had been using a 17" MAG that came with my Gateway 2000 >> desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the CRT is until a side by side >> comparison with this TFT. I also now find the curvature on the CRT annoying. >> The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway will become an NT >> server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client sites and on >> vacation. >> >> Win95 seems stable except for the common "hang on shutdown" problem. I >> haven't bothered to investigate this as I'll be moving to NT. I'll be >> installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the IBM >> site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus card. >> Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb). Does anyone know of any >> problems on NT with this card? >> >> Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard that came with the >> Gateway. >> >> Overall system performance is very satisfying compared to the P166 Gateway. >> I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very convenient. Haven't tried >> the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really interested in the >> DVD but it came with this model and graphics board option (which was >> important). >> >> One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this machine >> will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under the >> impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX chipset >> which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec sheets on the >> IBM site to confirm this. >> >> In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back on the NT install. >> >> Mike Wenczel >> Wenczel Consulting > > > -Mike > > http://www.geary.com > mailto:mg@mg.to > ham:WJ6V --=====================_42747497==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Unfortunately, there is *no* driver that will run the
3CCFE575 in a ThinkPad under NT4. The old driver that David and I used works only with the old 3C575TX. Unless 3Com has posted a driver newer than 2.0, there is no way to get the 3CCFE575 to work at all.

The only thing I can suggest is to return it and get a Xircom card instead. I'm running their CardBus 10/100 in the TP600 and the TP760E. The only thing I had to do special was change the memory address from the very large value it had initially to a smaller value--I used 0xC8000 and it worked fine.

At 08:34 AM 8/27/98 , David W. Taylor wrote:
Mike,
You are going to have problems with that Network card, as I did.  The most recent drivers seem to have problems on Thinkpads.  I have a TP600 with a PII/233 and it uses a very similar set of hardware.

There is good news though...

Mike Geary, another member of the list, very kindly helped me by supplying an older set of driver software that is no longer on the 3Com FTP site.  This older software is solid.

By now there may be BIOS updates that take care of the issue, but if you have difficulties, Mike or I can help.

David Taylor
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Wenczel <m.wenczel@mci2000.com>
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:10 AM
Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase

I received my laptop a few days ago and just wanted to register my comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. Specs: PII 266, 128mb, 8.1gb, Win95.
Great screen. I had been using a 17" MAG that came with my Gateway 2000 desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the CRT is until a side by side comparison with this TFT. I also now find the curvature on the CRT annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway will become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client sites and on vacation.
Win95 seems stable except for the common "hang on shutdown" problem. I haven't bothered to investigate this as I'll be moving to NT. I'll be installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the IBM site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus card. Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb).  Does anyone know of any problems on NT with this card?
Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard that came with the Gateway.
Overall system performance is very satisfying compared to the P166 Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very convenient. Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really interested in the DVD but it came with this model and graphics board option (which was important).
One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.
In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back on the NT install.
Mike Wenczel
Wenczel Consulting

-Mike

ham:WJ6V --=====================_42747497==_.ALT-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 11:55:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA01966 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15424; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:49:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15310; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm02sm.pmm.mci.net (pm02sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.151]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15291; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpad (usr50-dialup55.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27034) with SMTP id <0EYC006AAUL8KT@PM02SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:48:48 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:53:25 -0400 From: Mike Wenczel Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase To: "David W. Taylor" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: mike@geary.com Message-id: <007701bdd1d2$d5012000$224937a6@tpad> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: I will install the latest BIOS and drivers and go from there. I'll report on the results. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor To: Mike Wenczel ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: mike@geary.com Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase Mike, You are going to have problems with that Network card, as I did. The most recent drivers seem to have problems on Thinkpads. I have a TP600 with a PII/233 and it uses a very similar set of hardware. There is good news though... Mike Geary, another member of the list, very kindly helped me by supplying an older set of driver software that is no longer on the 3Com FTP site. This older software is solid. By now there may be BIOS updates that take care of the issue, but if you have difficulties, Mike or I can help. David Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wenczel To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase I received my laptop a few days ago and just wanted to register my comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. Specs: PII 266, 128mb, 8.1gb, Win95. Great screen. I had been using a 17" MAG that came with my Gateway 2000 desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the CRT is until a side by side comparison with this TFT. I also now find the curvature on the CRT annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway will become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client sites and on vacation. Win95 seems stable except for the common "hang on shutdown" problem. I haven't bothered to investigate this as I'll be moving to NT. I'll be installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the IBM site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus card. Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb). Does anyone know of any problems on NT with this card? Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard that came with the Gateway. Overall system performance is very satisfying compared to the P166 Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very convenient. Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really interested in the DVD but it came with this model and graphics board option (which was important). One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec sheets on the IBM site to confirm this. In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back on the NT install. Mike Wenczel Wenczel Consulting From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 12:04:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA02112 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16593; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:58:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16446; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16403; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpad (usr50-dialup55.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EYC008Z5UZIH4@PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:57:23 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:01:58 -0400 From: Mike Wenczel Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase To: Michael Geary , "David W. Taylor" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <008401bdd1d4$07bada80$224937a6@tpad> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: Ok, then. This changes my strategy. I think I'll set up a dual boot of Win95 and NT for now and experiment on NT4. I can't afford not to have network access. If the 3COM card fails under NT I'll use under 95 until I can get the Xircom. Thanks for the heads up. I'll let you know how I make out. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary To: David W. Taylor ; Mike Wenczel ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase Unfortunately, there is *no* driver that will run the 3CCFE575 in a ThinkPad under NT4. The old driver that David and I used works only with the old 3C575TX. Unless 3Com has posted a driver newer than 2.0, there is no way to get the 3CCFE575 to work at all. The only thing I can suggest is to return it and get a Xircom card instead. I'm running their CardBus 10/100 in the TP600 and the TP760E. The only thing I had to do special was change the memory address from the very large value it had initially to a smaller value--I used 0xC8000 and it worked fine. At 08:34 AM 8/27/98 , David W. Taylor wrote: Mike, You are going to have problems with that Network card, as I did. The most recent drivers seem to have problems on Thinkpads. I have a TP600 with a PII/233 and it uses a very similar set of hardware. There is good news though... Mike Geary, another member of the list, very kindly helped me by supplying an older set of driver software that is no longer on the 3Com FTP site. This older software is solid. By now there may be BIOS updates that take care of the issue, but if you have difficulties, Mike or I can help. David Taylor -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wenczel To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 8:10 AM Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase I received my laptop a few days ago and just wanted to register my comments. This is my first laptop and 5th pc. Specs: PII 266, 128mb, 8.1gb, Win95. Great screen. I had been using a 17" MAG that came with my Gateway 2000 desktop. I didn't realize how fuzzy the CRT is until a side by side comparison with this TFT. I also now find the curvature on the CRT annoying. The TP becomes my primary workstation and the gateway will become an NT server. Of course, I'll also be using the TP at client sites and on vacation. Win95 seems stable except for the common "hang on shutdown" problem. I haven't bothered to investigate this as I'll be moving to NT. I'll be installing NT4 this weekend after I download all the drivers from the IBM site. I am using a Megahertz/3Com 3CCFE575 10/100 Ethernet Cardbus card. Very fast on Win95 on my soho network (10mb). Does anyone know of any problems on NT with this card? Keyboard is very nice compared to the cheap keyboard that came with the Gateway. Overall system performance is very satisfying compared to the P166 Gateway. I've swapped the floppy and DVD a few times--very convenient. Haven't tried the DVD yet other than loading software. I wasn't really interested in the DVD but it came with this model and graphics board option (which was important). One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec sheets on the IBM site to confirm this. In any event, I'm pleased so far. I'll report back on the NT install. Mike Wenczel Wenczel Consulting -Mike http://www.geary.com mailto:mg@mg.to ham:WJ6V From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 12:53:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03017 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19904; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:48:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19528; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kramer.pcisys.net (root@kramer.pcisys.net [207.76.102.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19509; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usa.net (gilligan102.u1.cos.pcisys.net [208.202.104.102]) by kramer.pcisys.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) via ESMTP id KAA23919 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:48:39 -0600 (MDT) env-from (ed.winograd@usa.net) Message-ID: <35E58D94.3CCB095@usa.net> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:47:16 -0600 From: Ed Winograd Reply-To: ed.winograd@usa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help: TP 365XD Latch Won't Close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have an old TP 365XD that no longer closes when I try to latch it shut. The keyboard won't stay down, either. WHAT'S BROKEN: ON THE LEFT SIDE, the reetangular area with a latching hole in it (located at the lower left of the keyboasrd unit) has broken off. ON THE RIGHT SIDE, the keyboard part of the latch is OK, but the little plastic hook that comes up from the bottom part of the unit (next to the battery) never was there. I think the part on the left broke because it's been taking all the latching force ever since I got the machine. QUESTION: Does anyone know of a way I can fix this **WITHOUT** sending the unit off for a long period of time? I live in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I'd appreciate any informaton that you can send me. Ed Winograd ed.winograd@usa.net 719.528.5448 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 13:47:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA04173 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23384; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:44:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23083; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.1.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23051; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.194]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA20768 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:44:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43); 27 Aug 98 19:44:21 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.43); 27 Aug 98 19:44:05 +0200 Received: from magrathea.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.141) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.43) with ESMTP; 27 Aug 98 19:43:56 +0200 Received: from voyager.stelarcom.de (voyager.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.10]) by Magrathea.stelarcom.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02618 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:17:53 +0200 Message-Id: <199808271517.RAA02618@Magrathea.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:17:51 -0100 Reply-To: "Alexander Wanger" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:10:12 -0400, Lee Hetherington wrote: >Ken wrote: > >> I was led to believe (by IBM's own information? and by how other notebooks' >> suspend features also work) that the computer won't last more than a day in >> suspend mode, off a charged battery. > >I've had a 760 suspend for well over a week. I believe the LCD indicates it could >last for about 14 days! I've definitely suspended for several days with a 770 and a >600. Can confirm that. It lasts much longer than one day. At least on the 760 I use. -- CU/2 (( Proud to be member of Team OS/2 Europe #294 Alexander Wagner )) RTV Franken Team OS/2 Franken (( Request PGP-key Subject: Request for PGP-Keys --------------------------------------------------------------------------- You may also reply to Alexander.Wagner@gmx.de or Alexander.Wagner@gmx.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 14:43:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05196 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28625; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:41:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28398; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28368; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-13.binc.net [205.173.178.28]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA02189; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <001e01bdd1ea$37d68500$1cb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Reply-To: "Robert J. Karp" From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "Mike Wenczel" , Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:40:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1C0.4E27D040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1C0.4E27D040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a bunch of horse sh_t. Yes, the 770E/ED use the BX chip set and = can cache up to 512Mb of RAM. I've got 160Mb in my 770E and, believe = me, it is all used . Add all the RAM you can afford ... I guarantee = you'll be pleased with the results. (If you really want more = information on this matter, just visit Intel's site and choose the = Developer segment.) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wenczel To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:05 AM Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase =20 =20 One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting this = machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was under = the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel 440BX = chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed spec = sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1C0.4E27D040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This is a bunch of horse sh_t.  = Yes, the=20 770E/ED use the BX chip set and can cache up to 512Mb of RAM.  I've = got=20 160Mb in my 770E and, believe me, it is all used <g>.  Add = all the=20 RAM you can afford ... I guarantee you'll be pleased with the = results.  (If=20 you really want more information on this matter, just visit Intel's site = and=20 choose the Developer segment.)
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Mike Wenczel <m.wenczel@mci2000.com>
To:=20 THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu = <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:05 AM
Subject: [TP770ED] = Recent=20 Purchase

One other question: I saw a post in = comp.sys.laptops=20 suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of = purchase I=20 was under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the = Intel=20 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed = spec=20 sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.
 
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BDD1C0.4E27D040-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 15:18:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA05781 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00694; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:10:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00437; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm03sm.pmm.mci.net (pm03sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00384; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpad (usr1-dialup10.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #27035) with SMTP id <0EYD00I6F3W1T5@PM03SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:09:41 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:14:17 -0400 From: Mike Wenczel Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase To: "Robert J. Karp" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <005601bdd1ee$e4609b40$a24f37a6@tpad> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDD1CD.5B89CBA0" X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDD1CD.5B89CBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the confirmation. I feel better. In fact, I plan to replace = the 32 meg chip with an IBM 128 when available for a total of 32 + 64 + = 128 =3D 224 (yes, I'll be running NT). 224 has a nice ring to it. -----Original Message----- From: Robert J. Karp To: Mike Wenczel ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu = Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase =20 =20 This is a bunch of horse sh_t. Yes, the 770E/ED use the BX chip set = and can cache up to 512Mb of RAM. I've got 160Mb in my 770E and, = believe me, it is all used . Add all the RAM you can afford ... I = guarantee you'll be pleased with the results. (If you really want more = information on this matter, just visit Intel's site and choose the = Developer segment.) -----Original Message----- From: Mike Wenczel To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:05 AM Subject: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase =20 =20 One other question: I saw a post in comp.sys.laptops suggesting = this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time of purchase I was = under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile PII's, uses the Intel = 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I can't find any detailed = spec sheets on the IBM site to confirm this.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDD1CD.5B89CBA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the confirmation. I feel = better. In=20 fact, I plan to replace the 32 meg chip with an IBM 128 when available = for a=20 total of 32 + 64 + 128 =3D 224 (yes, I'll be running NT). 224 has a nice = ring to=20 it.
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Robert J. Karp <rkarp@mailbag.com>
To: = Mike=20 Wenczel <m.wenczel@mci2000.com>; = THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: = [TP770ED]=20 Recent Purchase

This is a bunch of horse = sh_t.  Yes,=20 the 770E/ED use the BX chip set and can cache up to 512Mb of = RAM.  I've=20 got 160Mb in my 770E and, believe me, it is all used = <g>.  Add=20 all the RAM you can afford ... I guarantee you'll be pleased with = the=20 results.  (If you really want more information on this matter, = just=20 visit Intel's site and choose the Developer segment.)
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Mike Wenczel <m.wenczel@mci2000.com>
To:=20 THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Dat= e:=20 Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:05 AM
Subject: = [TP770ED]=20 Recent Purchase

One other question: I saw a post in = comp.sys.laptops=20 suggesting this machine will not cache ram above 64mb. At time = of=20 purchase I was under the impression the 770ED, like all mobile = PII's,=20 uses the Intel 440BX chipset which does cache above 64mb. I = can't find=20 any detailed spec sheets on the IBM site to confirm this. =
 
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01BDD1CD.5B89CBA0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 15:29:53 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06066 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01747; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:24:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01583; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01561; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id PAA21433 for <@mak.mak.com:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA01075 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:16:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Monthly reminder In-Reply-To: <001e01bdd1ea$37d68500$1cb2adcd@rkarp.humana.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If you use Microsoft IE and/or Outlook/Outlook Express for your email, could you please switch it to send plain-text only? Its default is to send messages as two attachments - HTML and "plain text/ASCII." Unfortunately, the "plain text/ASCII" attachment is not true ASCII and some of our mail programs refuse to display it. Configuring your mailer to be kind to other mailers means more people will read your message, meaning you're more likely to get an answer. Thanks. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 15:31:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06101 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01912; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:26:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01787; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01693; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA15614; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Mike Wenczel Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase In-Reply-To: <005601bdd1ee$e4609b40$a24f37a6@tpad> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for being old-fashioned, but may I request that you send plain text= =20 only and no HTML to the list please? It is really hard on my eyes to try and de-cypher the actual text of the=20 message. I end up just not reading those messages and that's not the=20 goal, is it? A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 15:47:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06406 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03218; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:42:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03118; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03076; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.251]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17279; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Kim" , Subject: Re: Monthly reminder Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:42:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: To be fair to everyone, it is worth pointing out that Outlook Express sends HTML format messages as a multi-part message. The message is sent as BOTH text-only and HTML. Without wishing to ignite a flame war, the people who are seeing the raw HTML are using brain-dead email editors that are incapable of detecting the text-only part. Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... Sorry, but I get really irritated with this sort of thing! David -----Original Message----- From: John Kim To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 12:26 PM Subject: Monthly reminder >If you use Microsoft IE and/or Outlook/Outlook Express for your >email, could you please switch it to send plain-text only? Its >default is to send messages as two attachments - HTML and "plain >text/ASCII." Unfortunately, the "plain text/ASCII" attachment >is not true ASCII and some of our mail programs refuse to >display it. > >Configuring your mailer to be kind to other mailers means more >people will read your message, meaning you're more likely to get >an answer. > >Thanks. >-- >John H. Kim >kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 15:49:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06439 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03519; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:44:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03308; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm06sm.pmm.mci.net (pm06sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03293; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpad (usr1-dialup10.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EYD00H2D5GC0Z@PM06SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:43:31 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:48:03 -0400 From: Mike Wenczel Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu, Alban Gerd Kellerbauer Message-id: <009201bdd1f3$9d65e240$a24f37a6@tpad> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right, of course. My apologies. Obviously, I've got this new machine and don't have most defaults set up yet. -----Original Message----- From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer To: Mike Wenczel Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase Sorry for being old-fashioned, but may I request that you send plain text only and no HTML to the list please? It is really hard on my eyes to try and de-cypher the actual text of the message. I end up just not reading those messages and that's not the goal, is it? A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 16:06:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06884 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05135; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:02:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04988; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04961; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10660; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:02:08 -1000 Message-ID: <004201bdd1f5$a7aa7200$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "David W. Taylor" , Subject: Re: Monthly reminder Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:02:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: >Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone >Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically >end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... While I *usually* read my email in MSOE, often when I'm on the road I do mail via telnet to a Unix shell account, and there use mail or Elm. I believe there is a fair number of people on this list who do something similar (after all, it *is* a list for portable computer users). While I'm not really that put out myself by the html, I do think that it still causes enough grief for this to remain an html-free list, at least for the time being. BTW, right next to the ThinkPad I'm using for this letter is a Morrow CP/M box with a Lear-Siegler terminal; except for color, the latter looks suspiciously like an iMac... David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 16:12:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07202 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05800; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05676; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05663; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02929; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:08:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA02914; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:08:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980827155810.00af0730@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:58:10 -0400 To: "David W. Taylor" , ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Monthly reminder In-Reply-To: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:42 PM 8/27/98 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >To be fair to everyone, it is worth pointing out that Outlook Express sends >HTML format messages as a multi-part message. The message is sent as BOTH >text-only and HTML. > Eudora Pro v3.01 translated the text-only part of the message to a tiny, pale blue font. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 16:27:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07652 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06919; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06797; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx (cortes.cibnor.mx [200.23.161.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06773; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cortes.cibnor.mx by cortes.cibnor.mx id aa14013; 27 Aug 98 14:19 MDT Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:19:32 -0600 (MDT) From: Larry Miller To: David Ross cc: "David W. Taylor" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Monthly reminder In-Reply-To: <004201bdd1f5$a7aa7200$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > >Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone > >Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically > >end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... Sorry, wasn't clear to me who wrote this, but I would ask whether you are more concerned about form or content. I'll cut the religious war, but suffice it to say that I, too, immediately trash mail which comes in loaded with HTML. :> Saludos-- Larry Larry Miller Administrador de Redes / Network Administrator Centro de Investigaciones Biologicas del Noroeste, La Paz, BCS Mexico lmiller@cibnor.mx http://www.cibnor.mx/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 16:29:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA07666 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07205; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:25:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07074; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07037; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA23403; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA04385; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:17:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: "David W. Taylor" cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Monthly reminder In-Reply-To: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > To be fair to everyone, it is worth pointing out that Outlook Express sends > HTML format messages as a multi-part message. The message is sent as BOTH > text-only and HTML. > > Without wishing to ignite a flame war, the people who are seeing the raw > HTML are using brain-dead email editors that are incapable of detecting the > text-only part. Nope, I see both HTML and text/ASCII attachments just fine. But the ASCII attachment (and this only happens with messages sent >from Microsoft's email program) has some non-ASCII leading character. My mail program refuses to display it for fear of corrupting my xterm. > Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone > Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically > end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... The primary reason I use a text-based email app is that it lets me read my new and old email from anywhere in the world as long as I can telnet. I've yet to see a "non-Stone Age" email app that'll do that and still let me file my mail into different mailboxes. All I'm asking is for folks to use the accepted ASCII standard. It's not my fault Microsoft can't do ASCII. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 16:47:17 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA08040 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08637; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08525; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astor.interport.net (astor.interport.net [199.184.165.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08512; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pritzr (usrts2p186.port.net [207.237.105.186]) by astor.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA28351; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808272040.QAA28351@astor.interport.net> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.interport.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:28 -0400 To: John Kim From: richard Subject: Re: Monthly reminder Cc: "David W. Taylor" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:17 PM 8/27/98 -0400, John Kim wrote: >On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: >> Without wishing to ignite a flame war, the people who are seeing the raw >> HTML are using brain-dead email editors that are incapable of detecting the >> text-only part. I'm using the latest version of Eudora and I much prefer plain ascii text. Other formats tend to be hard to read, unless you are using the same product as the one that produced the message. >> Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone >> Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically >> end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... All we are asking for is ascii plain-text, which just about every emailer in the world can produce and read. Just because one or two vendors produce incompatible products does not mean that everything else is "stone age" >The primary reason I use a text-based email app is that it lets >me read my new and old email from anywhere in the world as long >as I can telnet. Yes >All I'm asking is for folks to use the accepted ASCII standard. >It's not my fault Microsoft can't do ASCII. Double yes From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 18:29:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09804 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13738; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:26:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13552; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vex.net (vex.net [198.96.119.193]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13531; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (1638 bytes) by vex.net via sendmail with P:stdio/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:26:03 -0400 (EDT) (Smail-3.2.0.98 1997-Oct-16 #3 built 1997-Oct-29) Received: from vex.net(198.96.119.193) via SMTP by vex.net, id smtpd05153a; Thu Aug 27 18:26:01 1998 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Golan Klinger X-Sender: falco@vex.net To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Monthly reminder In-Reply-To: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: David W. Taylor wrote: > Without wishing to ignite a flame war, the people who are seeing the > raw HTML are using brain-dead email editors that are incapable of > detecting the text-only part. Some of us prefer to use RFC-compliant UNIX-based mail programs and saying you don't wish to ignite a flame war and then using the term "brain-dead" seems somewhat contradictory. In the 10+ years that I've been making my living in institutional computing (and for the most part, on the Internet), raw ASCII text has been the prefered method for email. HTML is fine for its intended use but email is not it. > Sorry, but I get really irritated with this sort of thing! Dare I suggest that there are a few people on this list who get just as irritated by attitudes like the one you extoll? Golan Klinger [falco@vex.net] For long you live and high you fly And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry Good, fast or cheap. And all you touch and all you see Pick two... Is all your life will ever be From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 19:00:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10375 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15291; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:58:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15111; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15097; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.251]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA02292; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <014601bdd20e$482fa8e0$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Golan Klinger" , "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: Monthly reminder Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:58:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: OK. We appear to have two standards: plain text for Email and HTML for Browsers. Some things will never change. If it is this hard to change the email substrate, we should all be aware of how long it will take to change other more complex substrates. Inertia rules. Apologies to everyone. Must have been some bad coffee. End of topic. David From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 20:19:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11569 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18080; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:17:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17968; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17929; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.53] (SoCal56k133.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.33]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id RAA21314 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:15:41 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:49:09 -0700 To: From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Monthly reminder List-Unsubscribe: >Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone >Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically >end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... Sounds good to me, the latter that is. I have better things to do than worry about my "works just fine thanks" old email program, and I am basically against anything that needlessly increases message bandwidth. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 20:30:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA11735 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18738; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:28:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18569; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from innernet.net (innernet.net [207.121.52.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18557; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from AMDK6300.TECHGAP.innernet.net ([205.130.18.91]) by innernet.net with SMTP (IPAD 2.03) id 4627100 ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:36:04 -0400 Message-ID: <004f01bd23b0$62f3c100$5b1282cd@AMDK6300.TECHGAP.innernet.net> From: "Slip" To: Subject: [TP701]Most likely off-topic... Date: Sat, 17 Jan 1998 20:28:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hey there, My appologies due to this message, because it's not exactly a Thinkpad specefic question...Anyways, I saw a guy with an attachment to the bottom of his laptop that looked like one of those anti-carpal-tunnel(sp) mouse pads. There was a thin part(which did look exactly like a normal mouse pad) that atached to the underside of the laptop, and hung out of the bottom about 3" >From this 3" over(or under I guess) hang, there was a wrist-rest. I noted also that it was an ACER notebook. Reason I'm interested is that most thinkpads have the mice at the very front-thus, not very confy. Some how this pad remained attached to the bottom too(by glue or something) Didn't know the guy or I would have asked about it. Anyone know where to get ahold of one of these? While I'm on the topic, why doesn't IBM think much about confort when designing the TP's? They're all but ergonomic, even blocky.(don't get me wrong, I'd still never buy another brand!) Again, my appology for the generalness of this message. :-) -Jamie Ps-responding to the other message-I also read my e-mail from unix clients as well, and try to keep my mail as plain as possible... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 20:54:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12127 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 20:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23391; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:45:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23174; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (mhro1.mayo.edu [129.176.100.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23132; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fermat.mayo.edu by mhro1.mayo.edu with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:19:27 -0500 Received: from feynman.Mayo.EDU (feynman [129.176.212.47]) by fermat.mayo.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03766; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:19:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from feynman by feynman.Mayo.EDU (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA15368; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:18:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:18:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "James P. Grenert" X-Sender: grenert@feynman To: David Furman cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP360PE] Getting the pen to work in Word In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Organization: Mayo Medical School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Do you have Pen Services 2.0 installed? It is available at: ftp://stg.net/pen/ibm/ps20.exe There is also some info on running Win95 on the 360PE at: ftp://stg.net/pen/ibm/360/Win95PE.Txt Other than that, I can't help you, since I run WfW 3.11 with Windows for Pen 1.0. I'm just curious, aren't Win95 and Office 95 disk/memory/processor hogs on that machine? My 360PE has a 540MB HD and 20MB memory, and I fear that still wouldn't be enough to run Win95. It's overkill for WfW 3.11, but it flies, and it's always better to have TOO MUCH machine for your OS than not enough. J. P. Grenert grenert@mayo.edu (Be sure to remove the "remove-this" from my address in your reply.) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 27 23:05:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA13692 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25017; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:00:32 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24856; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id XAA18601; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (genepool@netcom10.netcom.com [192.100.81.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05315; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom10.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id NAA07164; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Monthly reminder To: "David W. Taylor" cc: John Kim , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <005701bdd1f2$e1640040$fb769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone > Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically > end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... I read email using Pine on a shell account and delete HTML email unread. Cheers, Jim From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 02:04:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA16279 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03122; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:58:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02973; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02961; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p02.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA20380; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808280557.WAA20380@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "David W. Taylor" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:56:16 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Monthly reminder List-Unsubscribe: >Without wishing to ignite a flame war, the people who are seeing the raw >HTML are using brain-dead email editors that are incapable of detecting the >text-only part. > Brain dead emailers? So, would you like to create a new mailer for us, that incorporates these new features, or rather, buy a whole darn seperate computer just to read email? >Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone >Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically >end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... > >Sorry, but I get really irritated with this sort of thing! > You think you get irritated? What bugs me is people with an attitude like yours. If we're happy with our mailer, and it does it's job (send, recieve, and read email), then why should we switch? -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 02:08:39 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA16332 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03720; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:02:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03394; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03367; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fpgcswgi (slip166-72-156-206.la.us.ibm.net [166.72.156.206]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA42194 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:02:07 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980828010309.0079ca90@pop5.ibm.net> X-Sender: dcomeau@pop5.ibm.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:03:09 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Tacitus Clone Subject: [TP 760XL] ESS 1688 woes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: For some time now I've noticed the ESS 1688 audiodrive would hangup if it hit some .wav file windows played at a given event. These hangups have been noticed to occur when the .wav plays at the same time the OS accesses the hard drive. I have the most up-to-date drivers from IBM's site with OS Win98, 48 megs mem. Only extra peripherel is pccard modem. The problem is the sound essentially hangs on one note and repeats that producing a "throbbing". If I play a second .wav the note repeated will simply change to the first tone of the new file. Of late the problem is becoming more prevelent. This problem also occurred in Win95 but not so often. Any ideas on what this is and how to solve it? ********************************************************************* Darren Comeaux lover of Babylon 5, George Patton (blunt truth), and South Park "A friend told me the understanding is like a three-edged sword... his side, your side, ...and the truth" Captain John Sheridan, Military Governor of Babylon 5 quoting Ambassador Kosh. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 02:09:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA16339 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03807; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:02:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03479; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03292; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p02.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20602 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 23:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808280600.XAA20602@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:59:00 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Monthly reminder List-Unsubscribe: >The primary reason I use a text-based email app is that it lets >me read my new and old email from anywhere in the world as long >as I can telnet. I've yet to see a "non-Stone Age" email app >that'll do that and still let me file my mail into different >mailboxes. > And I use a combination of text and GUI for my mail for different applications. If you think I should get a newer mailer, then you go out and buy the latest copy of PMMail or something else for me. >All I'm asking is for folks to use the accepted ASCII standard. >It's not my fault Microsoft can't do ASCII. And I agree on this. I don't see what benefit you get from sending the same message in HTML anyways... -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 03:12:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17007 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02942; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:57:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02821; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02808; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p02.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.71]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA20223; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808280555.WAA20223@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "John Kim" Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 22:54:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Monthly reminder List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:16:13 -0400 (EDT), John Kim wrote: >If you use Microsoft IE and/or Outlook/Outlook Express for your >email, could you please switch it to send plain-text only? Its >default is to send messages as two attachments - HTML and "plain >text/ASCII." Unfortunately, the "plain text/ASCII" attachment >is not true ASCII and some of our mail programs refuse to >display it. > And this becomes a major nusiance for many, including myself, and it even sorts the message differently, so I don't always see it where it's supposed to be. >Configuring your mailer to be kind to other mailers means more >people will read your message, meaning you're more likely to get >an answer. > Most messages with only an attachment, and no text, I delete, and will reply to everyone, because it gets me upset to waste my space and time with those messages. -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 03:37:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA17242 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07656; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:32:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07554; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (slarti.muc.de [193.174.4.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07538; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22683 invoked by uid 66); 28 Aug 1998 07:31:50 -0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Path: not-for-mail From: Harald Milz Newsgroups: local.ml.thinkpad Subject: Re: Monthly reminder Date: 28 Aug 1998 06:20:11 GMT Organization: Linux.DE Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6s5i6r$2ti$2@seneca.ak.munich.ibm.com> References: Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de NNTP-Posting-Host: seneca.muc.de X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-971215 (UNIX) (Linux/2.0.29 (i486)) List-Unsubscribe: Golan Klinger wrote: > In the 10+ years that I've been making my living in institutional > computing (and for the most part, on the Internet), raw ASCII text has > been the prefered method for email. HTML is fine for its intended use but > email is not it. News isn't it either, for that matter. -- If you are a fatalist, what can you do about it? -- Ann Edwards-Duff From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 04:27:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA17840 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09876; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:22:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09748; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09713; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p2-400mhz (client-151-204-210-18.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.18]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with SMTP id EAA13183 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980828042249.0074bd34@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:22:49 -0400 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Monthly reminder In-Reply-To: <199808280555.WAA20223@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Basically, we need to embrace a standard that satisfies all parties for the time being. That standard is the ASCII standard. Within certain circles, if all members can support it, "enhanced" email can be used, but do not try to force Microsoft's advancement of "standards" or any other organizations' that has the potential to fragment a system that is primarily run by Unix CLIs and eat, breathe and sleep mainly on ASCII text. The ability to retrieve and view email anywhere a connected box is located is proof enough. I do not want to have to track down a Windows/Mac box that is hopefully running a variant of Microsoft Outlook Express to read my mail or any other email program that hopefully supports that, "standard." Now, once the actual text is in your hands, you can do with it as you see fit. All we ask is that when you Xmit it, break it down to the LCD. :) ("So says the paid Windows zelot who supports himself primarily on Microsoft products!" ). Mark Bell ElectroSoft Consulting Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation Voice: 609-293-9426 =-= Fax : 609-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 06:13:00 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA18923 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18029; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17897; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (phr@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17885; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id DAA02282 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:07:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 03:07:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Rubin Message-Id: <199808281007.DAA02282@netcom2.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: pathetic modem throughput under linux with 770 List-Unsubscribe: I'm using a Megahertz 28.8kbps xjack modem in my 770 and I get varying file transfer speed under Linux (using "sz" under minicom) never exceeding 2.5kchar/sec and sometimes as low as 1k/sec. Under w95 the same modem does about 3k/sec and I also get 3k/sec on my desktop machine with an internal 28.8k generic modem under the same minicom/sz software combination (possibly earlier versions since the desktop machine is older). Any thoughts? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 06:56:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA19375 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19425; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:51:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19303; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19291; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from petedrez ([12.77.27.25]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980828105106.CMYG24506@petedrez> for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:51:06 +0000 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980828105024.00698cfc@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: pbdrez@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 06:50:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Pete Drez Subject: unsubscribe List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 10:00:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21452 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27806; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:49:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27556; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27537; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-6-140.wireless.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA22515; Fri, 28 Aug 98 09:48:27 EDT Message-Id: <35E6B532.B8DADE58@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:48:34 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Monthly reminder References: <3.0.1.32.19980828042249.0074bd34@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HTML email isn't really a Microsoft thing. Netscape can do it nicely too, and that runs in almost all flavors of Unix, and you can run an IMAP server to read your email remotely and keep it all consistent. Personally, I prefer HTML email because I can change my window size / font size, and it will wrap nicely. To each his own, but it is a shame that dual ASCII/HTML causes people so much heartache. When Netscape sends in dual mode, the pure ASCII is first, and the HTML is second, both as MIME attachments. If your browser only supports ASCII, you can easily read it and skip the HTML section. Netscape is also nice in that if your To: list contains only people for whom you've specified HTML is preferred (in your address book), it will send HTML, otherwise it prompts you if you want to send ASCII-only, ASCII+HTML, or HTML-only. Just my $0.02. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 11:20:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22707 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03604; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:13:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03181; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer.cia-g.com (root@mailer.cia-g.com [207.66.82.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03165; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kglp@localhost) by mailer.cia-g.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA19902 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:57:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:57:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Ray Bayles To: ThinkPad List Subject: ASCII/HTML In-Reply-To: <35E6B532.B8DADE58@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I respectfully disagree... still over 63 percent of correspondents on e-mail DO NOT use HTML-ready browser and most of those don't want to.... What is really easy is for all correspondents to use ASCII/text messaging because they KNOW everybody can read that... Many users at many locations cannot use the dual mode ASCII/HTML and cannot "easily read it and skip the HTML section." Many of us are using specialized software than doesn't make your proposal an acceptable one... Many of us do not have the time to make the changes. Too many users are way too busy to make the necessary adjustments so they just skip those files. The protocols that have developed are acceptable and necessary and anybody who cannot follow them probably doesn't have anything to say anyway, in my opinion Ray > both as MIME attachments. If your browser only supports ASCII, you can > easily read it and skip the HTML section. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 11:32:04 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA22926 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04687; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:25:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04499; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04483; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA06398 for <@mak.mak.com:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id LAA14465 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:17:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle Reply-To: John Kim To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Monthly reminder (way OT) In-Reply-To: <35E6B532.B8DADE58@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I'd forgotten this was a religious issue. Sorry for resurrecting it, but I couldn't stand the idea of someone's question going unanswered because his email was immediately junked by dozens of knowledgable people. On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > HTML email isn't really a Microsoft thing. Netscape can do it nicely > too, and that runs in almost all flavors of Unix, and you can run an > IMAP server to read your email remotely and keep it all consistent. Now this is interesting. Are you saying I can keep my mail, new and old, sorted into dozens of mailboxes, on my IMAP-capable unix box at home, and I can read/browse/sort everything via a remote email app that supports IMAP (GUI or text-based)? IMAP was originally an extension of Pine and Pine is IMAP-capable, so I'm a bit nonplussed that I could've overlooked this ability while configuring Pine all these years. > To each his own, but it is a shame > that dual ASCII/HTML causes people so much heartache. When Netscape > sends in dual mode, the pure ASCII is first, and the HTML is second, > both as MIME attachments. If your browser only supports ASCII, you can > easily read it and skip the HTML section. Once again, I don't have a problem with dual ASCII/HTML attachments. It's not an attachment problem nor as far as I can tell a Pine problem. When I get an ASCII attachment from a Netscape mailer, at the beginning or end of the message, I can view it just fine. I'm looking at one such attachment right now. It's only ASCII attachments from Microsoft Outlook that fail. I reported it as a bug to Microsoft over a year ago FWIW. -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 11:38:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA23029 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05492; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:32:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05386; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05366; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg134-037.ricochet.net [204.179.134.37]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA04890; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003001bdd28f$562714c0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Mark Bell" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Monthly reminder Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:22:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: What Lee said. The only reason for a pure ASCII thing is inertia. I wish I had never started this now.... >HTML email isn't really a Microsoft thing. Netscape can do it nicely >too, and that runs in almost all flavors of Unix, and you can run an >IMAP server to read your email remotely and keep it all consistent. > . . . >Just my $0.02. > >--Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 12:07:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23456 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08037; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:02:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07867; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (ns.us.fortis.com [167.79.91.99]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07847; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.us.fortis.com (root@localhost) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id LAA04835 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mime.us.fortis.com (mime.us.fortis.com [167.79.12.2]) by ns.us.fortis.com with ESMTP id LAA04831 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:03:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from US.FORTIS.COM (unverified [167.79.36.4]) by mime.us.fortis.com (Integralis SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:59:30 -0600 Received: from WOODBYGATE-Message_Server by US.FORTIS.COM with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:56:25 -0600 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:59:25 -0600 From: Mike Hunziker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ASCII/HTML -Reply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Exactly where do you get this 63% number? I would never tell you what mailer to use, just like operating systems, it's your choice. I can't read HTML with the groupware product that my company uses but I really could care less if someone sends something in that format. My delete key works fine. >>> Ray Bayles 08/28/98 08:57am >>> >I respectfully disagree... still over 63 percent of >correspondents on e-mail DO NOT use HTML-ready browser >and most of those don't want to.... Nobody is asking you too use an HTML-ready browser. You may be correct in pointing out that most of those users don't want to use a browser or you might be off base but you really aren't the elected spokesperson for this group of people. Just give us your opinion and I'll give you mine. I only speak for myself here. >What is really easy is for all correspondents to use >ASCII/text messaging because they KNOW everybody can >read that... If the future that may not be the case. Who knows? If all the messages starting showing up HTML, I'd probably unsubscribe, but the majority would have spoken. Evolve or die I guess....... There's my 2 cents..... **************************************************************** Please Note The information in this E-mail message is legally privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual(s) named above. If you, the reader of this message, are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you should not further disseminate, distribute, or forward this E-mail message. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender. Thank you ***************************************************************** From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 12:32:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA23910 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10015; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:26:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09860; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09840; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA17229; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:26:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad memory to give away Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: After having tried to sell these for a while, I am giving away one of=20 each of the following RAM modules, preferably to a student. I will pay for shipping, but will require proof that you have made a=20 charitable donation equivalent to the shipping costs. 8 MB SO-DIMM (IBM) IBM Option P/N: 92G7340 IBM FRU P/N: 42H2767 Kingston eq. P/N: KTM760ELD/8 16 MB SO-DIMM (Kingston) IBM eq. Option P/N: 92G7341 IBM eq. FRU P/N: 42H2768 Kingston P/N: KTM760ELD/16 Alban A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 12:52:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24270 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11399; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11196; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netcom15.netcom.com (genepool@netcom15.netcom.com [192.100.81.128]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11183; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from genepool@localhost) by netcom15.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id JAA00385; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Michael Subject: Re: Monthly reminder To: "David W. Taylor" cc: I Lee Hetherington , Mark Bell , ThinkPad List In-Reply-To: <003001bdd28f$562714c0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > What Lee said. The only reason for a pure ASCII thing is inertia. No, it's not. I consistently receive email with embedded HTML with a file size in the kilobytes (hundreds of   and other markup) with an information content along the lines of 'send me one too'. Anyone care to calculate the value of all the wasted bandwidth being broadcast across the planet because it's 'free'? > I wish I had never started this now.... Too late :-) Cheers, Jim -- Can't wait for the video markup to appear... From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 12:58:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24402 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11856; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:50:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11534; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (gw.uhc.com [168.183.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11522; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gw.uhc.com (root@localhost) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00963; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:49:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts_jl (DTS_JL-pcp098671pcs.uhc.com [10.145.181.71]) by gw.uhc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA00925; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:49:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980828123933.00a9c830@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:39:33 -0400 To: "Derek Seaman" , From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 770 power cord In-Reply-To: <004601bdd293$af6ccad0$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:53 AM 8/28/98 -0700, Derek Seaman wrote: >Two of the three TP 770's we ordered did not come with power cords. The >adaptor is there, but not the cord that goes from the wall socket to the >adaptor brick. > >Where can I get a few of these cords? > I personally would be on the phone to my reseller since my very expensive new ThinkPad came without all its parts. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 13:24:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24745 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13680; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:18:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13527; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13514; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id NAA17354; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Derek Seaman Subject: RE: 770 power cord In-Reply-To: <004701bdd2a6$5f1a5fd0$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: Then it is unlike the other power cords I have seen on ThinkPads. So your= =20 options are to either call the company and request that they expedite you= =20 the cords presto or to order them from IBM (who ship overnight) and get=20 reimbursed by the company later. Alban On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Derek Seaman wrote: > > > > You should ask the company who sold you the computers to send you all > > parts that should have come with it in the first place. > > > > If you are in a hurry, however, you can just go out and buy the cords a= t > > about 2$ each. They are either standard rasor-style (two-prong) or > > standard electrical appliance (three-prong) cords. Very easy to find. > > > > Alban >=20 > It's not a standard power cord. The end that connects into the power supp= ly > looks like a 3 leaf clover leaf. It's not the standard computer connector= . >=20 >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 13:30:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24858 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02284; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:02:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01163; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marlin.nosc.mil (root@marlin.nosc.mil [128.49.4.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01076; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dseaman (seaman.nosc.mil [128.49.190.51]) by marlin.nosc.mil (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA06924 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Derek Seaman" To: Subject: 770 power cord Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 07:53:58 -0700 Message-ID: <004601bdd293$af6ccad0$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Two of the three TP 770's we ordered did not come with power cords. The adaptor is there, but not the cord that goes from the wall socket to the adaptor brick. Where can I get a few of these cords? Derek L. Seaman, Engineer Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 SPAWAR System Center, San Diego dseaman@spawar.navy.mil Ph: (619) 553-6795 Fx: (619) 553-1133 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 13:36:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24932 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05237; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:27:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04807; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04767; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:42:22 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:42:18 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: I Lee Hetherington cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Monthly reminder - getting off-topic In-Reply-To: <35E6B532.B8DADE58@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > HTML email isn't really a Microsoft thing. Netscape can do it nicely > too, and that runs in almost all flavors of Unix, and you can run an > IMAP server to read your email remotely and keep it all consistent. Most of the time, I'm working on Unix machines. In this context, I don't know a single program crashing as often as Netscape does. Pine is running continuously, it's fast, no crashes, and that's all I want. Small, fast, efficient programs. Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 13:39:10 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA24972 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03751; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:14:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03475; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03343; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA17017; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Derek Seaman Subject: Re: 770 power cord In-Reply-To: <004601bdd293$af6ccad0$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: You should ask the company who sold you the computers to send you all=20 parts that should have come with it in the first place. If you are in a hurry, however, you can just go out and buy the cords at=20 about 2$ each. They are either standard rasor-style (two-prong) or=20 standard electrical appliance (three-prong) cords. Very easy to find. Alban On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Derek Seaman wrote: > Two of the three TP 770's we ordered did not come with power cords. The > adaptor is there, but not the cord that goes from the wall socket to the > adaptor brick. >=20 > Where can I get a few of these cords? >=20 >=20 > Derek L. Seaman, Engineer > Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 > SPAWAR System Center, San Diego > dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > Ph: (619) 553-6795 > Fx: (619) 553-1133 >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 15:28:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26628 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21886; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:21:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21739; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21726; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA15409; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:21:28 -1000 Message-ID: <003701bdd2b9$25637660$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "John Kim" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Two tips (was: Re: Monthly reminder (way OT)) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:22:05 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: W/r to this thread, a couple of quick tips for road warriors on this list, and one comment: (1) IMAP (John Kim's question) lets you leave everything (inbox, folders, etc) on the server - very useful while on the road. This lets me have *exactly* the same mail state whether I'm using my Sparc in the office (or any machine on a telnet sesion to it) running Elm or Pine, or my Thinkpad running MSOE either on dialup to my office or on dialup through any other ISP!. However, the only Windows email programs I know that support IMAP are Pine and Outlook Express, and the only ISPs I know that support it are the kind that also offer shell acounts. (2) Outlook Express defaults can be configured based on the recipient; in other words, I have the Thinkpad list set so that my mail is always sent to it in ASCII, whereas for everyone else replies are on the same format as the mail received. (3) A lot of people have used this thread to take shots at MS. Often MS deserves it, but not in this case: as Lee pointed out, HTML/mime is not a MS standard (thank goodness), and as I noted Outlook Express doesn't *have* to use them. In fact, OE is IMHO the first really good program MS wrote since GW Basic. (Granted, they should initialize the defaults differently!) David A. Ross ross@math.hawaii.edu From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 16:27:15 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27482 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25158; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:22:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24979; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24966; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou (pool1-42.usr2.smartlink.net [206.117.155.171]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA04005 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980828132202.008149a0@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 13:22:02 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: Good buy? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM Think Pad 760XD $1100 * Pentium 166 MMX * 48 MB RAM * 3 Gig hard drive * 8X CD-ROM * Floppy * 12.1" active-matrix Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 16:33:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA27638 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25646; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:28:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25540; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25527; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id QAA17677; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:28:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Lou Subject: Re: Good buy? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980828132202.008149a0@mail.smartlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: Value America was selling the 765D new for $1999 recently and right now=20 they are selling the 765L new for $1899. They come with the 13.3 inch TFT.= =20 Depending on how much is left of the three-year warranty on yours, it=20 looks like a good buy. If it is new, definitely. Alban On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Lou wrote: > IBM Think Pad 760XD $1100 > * Pentium 166 MMX > * 48 MB RAM > * 3 Gig hard drive > * 8X CD-ROM > * Floppy > * 12.1" active-matrix >=20 >=20 > Warm regards, >=20 > -lou- >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 16:57:56 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA28062 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27474; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:53:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27335; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27314; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.137.227]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980828205314.KUYW24506@760>; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:53:14 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: , "Lou" Subject: Re: Good buy? Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:51:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980828205314.KUYW24506@760> List-Unsubscribe: Are you selling it or asking if you should buy it? ---------- > From: Lou > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Good buy? > Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 4:22 PM > > IBM Think Pad 760XD $1100 > * Pentium 166 MMX > * 48 MB RAM > * 3 Gig hard drive > * 8X CD-ROM > * Floppy > * 12.1" active-matrix > > > Warm regards, > > -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 17:00:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28147 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27818; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:56:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27678; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27623; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (ppp42.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.42]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA23298 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808282055.QAA23298@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:55:48 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Ken Subject: [TP770ED] Sound doesn't work at all on some Win95 games Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Sorry that this question is so vague, but does anyone know of any >common< issues that affect the sound on the 770ED? More than one game I've tried (which claims to support SoundBlaster-compatible hardware) yields simply no sound at all on my machine, under Windows 95 (both Windows 95-based games, and DOS-based games). The DOS-based ones DO work when I exit to DOS and run them. Is there anything I can change to make the machine run as compatibly as it ought to? Thanks for any insight... Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 17:27:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28683 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29499; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29377; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29363; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (ppp42.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.42]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA28812 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808282123.RAA28812@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:11 -0400 To: Thinkpad From: Ken Subject: Recommendations on carrying cases for TP770ED? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I still haven't gotten a case for my 770ED. I had selected the Targus air universal (model CUN1A), but their web page lies about the computer compatibility dimensions. The insert that came with the case listed the true dimensions, which, indeed, were just a bit too small for the 770ED. Anyway, since I'm shopping again, I wondered if people have had good or bad experiences with certain cases, or certain case-making companies in general. Thanks for the advice. Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 18:13:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29459 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01318; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:10:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01207; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01195; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16732; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:10:05 -1000 Message-ID: <001401bdd2d0$b4acdca0$0f02000a@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Slip" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: [TP701]Most likely off-topic... Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:10:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Slip wrote: >specefic question...Anyways, I saw a guy with an attachment to the bottom of >his laptop that looked like one of those anti-carpal-tunnel(sp) mouse pads. Kensington makes these; a local stationery store has them for around $24 >of one of these? While I'm on the topic, why doesn't IBM think much about >confort when designing the TP's? They're all but ergonomic, even >blocky.(don't get me wrong, I'd still never buy another brand!) Again, my Their design isn't aerodynamic (like the Compaqs), but then again they are not meant to fly without an airplane:-) On the important ergonomic things - display, keyboard - nobody does better. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 18:27:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29683 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01997; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:23:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01843; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01830; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-22.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.22]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA11373; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:08 -0500 Message-ID: <001501bdd2d2$6ec7e0c0$161f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: , "Ken" Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Sound doesn't work at all on some Win95 games Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:23:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: All I can say is that I have a 770E and have no such problem. My point is that your situation has nothing to do with the Crystal audio device since our hardware is the same in that respect. I suspect it is some sort of conflict with the DSP modem. I recall seeing something about this on IBM's site but as I do not have the DSP device in my machine (that's why I purchased the E model) I really can't recall it. Anyway, for openers, why not disable that resource hog (DSP modem + DSP + Midi Synth) and see if that improves your sound situation? -----Original Message----- From: Ken To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 3:59 PM Subject: [TP770ED] Sound doesn't work at all on some Win95 games >Sorry that this question is so vague, but does anyone know of any >common< >issues that affect the sound on the 770ED? More than one game I've tried >(which claims to support SoundBlaster-compatible hardware) yields simply no >sound at all on my machine, under Windows 95 (both Windows 95-based games, >and DOS-based games). The DOS-based ones DO work when I exit to DOS and >run them. > >Is there anything I can change to make the machine run as compatibly as it >ought to? > >Thanks for any insight... > >Ken >kenzo@free-music.com > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 18:42:12 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29900 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03104; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:38:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02910; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02897; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (ppp33.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.33]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA10643; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808282237.SAA10643@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:37:36 -0400 To: "Robert J. Karp" , From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Sound doesn't work at all on some Win95 games In-Reply-To: <001501bdd2d2$6ec7e0c0$161f46c6@rkarp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >All I can say is that I have a 770E and have no such problem. My point is >that your situation has nothing to do with the Crystal audio device since >our hardware is the same in that respect. I suspect it is some sort of Well, it's inconclusive, since not >all< games give me problems. >conflict with the DSP modem. I recall seeing something about this on IBM's >site but as I do not have the DSP device in my machine (that's why I >purchased the E model) I really can't recall it. Anyway, for openers, why >not disable that resource hog (DSP modem + DSP + Midi Synth) and see if that What is the DSP modem? You think the 770ED has it, but the 770E doesn't? The modem reports itself as an "MWAVE" modem, and in my device manager, I have "ThinkPad PhoneLineDevice", "ThinkPad WaveTable MidiSynth Device", and "Wave Device for Voice Modem". Regardless of what kind of modem this is (which I'd love to know), disabling these will just affect sound coming from the modem and voicemail, etc., and will have nothing to do with actually using the modem to connect to things, right? Thanks if you can help... Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 19:57:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA00971 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05287; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:53:56 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05135; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id TAA01694; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from warp10.smartlink.net (root@warp10.smartlink.net [206.117.155.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01884; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lou (pool1-42.usr2.smartlink.net [206.117.155.171]) by warp10.smartlink.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA12775 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from louw@prefer.net) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980828152317.00953ca0@mail.smartlink.net> X-Sender: louw@mail.smartlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:23:17 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Lou Subject: More questions about suspend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >From the thread on hibernation, I presume that I only have to close the lid and I am in the suspend mode? Can I move the computer in this mode? Warm regards, -lou- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 28 21:56:47 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02988 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08489; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:52:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08367; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (ritchie-inet.loop.com [207.211.60.70]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08353; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p75 (p22.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.63.91]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA07418 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199808290150.SAA07418@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 18:46:40 -0800 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.95a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ASCII/HTML -Reply List-Unsubscribe: >If the future that may not be the case. Who knows? >If all the messages starting showing up HTML, I'd probably >unsubscribe, but the majority would have spoken. >Evolve or die I guess....... >There's my 2 cents..... I could agree. If it get's any worse, I could just bounce back my messages, and see how they (the original sender feels). Okay, back to our regulary scheduled program (anything and everything ThinkPad related). -- Paul Khoury | | Sent from my K5-200 http://warped.cswnet.com/~pkhoury/index.html Proudly running OS/2 Warp 3 & 4, Mac OS 7.5.3, Sun Solaris 2.x, Linux 2.x, Newton OS 1.05 ICQ#14582895 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 00:09:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA05080 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12328; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:05:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12198; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12186; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA27245; Sat, 29 Aug 98 00:05:27 EDT Message-Id: <35E77D47.48704B37@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:02:16 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Recommendations on carrying cases for TP770ED? References: <199808282123.RAA28812@mail.binghamton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The ThinkPad Sport case by Port does fit the 770's rather husky size. It also has the Port's sling. I've been using this bag for over a year and really like it. Note that sometime in the last 9 months or so the ThinkPad Sport case got bigger. The older version didn't really fit the 770, but the later one does. Now, my 600 has all the room in the world :-) --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 03:07:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA07640 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16465; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:01:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16134; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.binghamton.edu (mailbox.adm.binghamton.edu [128.226.10.60]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15992; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uxledkvk (ppp33.net21.binghamton.edu [128.226.21.33]) by mail.binghamton.edu (8.8.7/8.6.12) with SMTP id DAA05671; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199808290701.DAA05671@mail.binghamton.edu> X-Sender: kenzo@free-music.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 03:01:26 -0400 To: "Robert J. Karp" , From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Sound doesn't work at all on some Win95 games In-Reply-To: <001501bdd2d2$6ec7e0c0$161f46c6@rkarp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:23 PM 8/28/98 -0500, Robert J. Karp wrote: >purchased the E model) I really can't recall it. Anyway, for openers, why >not disable that resource hog (DSP modem + DSP + Midi Synth) and see if that >improves your sound situation? I disabled all the modem sound-related drivers (incl. Midi Synth), and that did the trick! My sound now works when it didn't work before. Thanks! Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 07:12:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA09668 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27513; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:08:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27372; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwb.hk.super.net (cwb.hk.super.net [202.14.67.92]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27359; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kwaifong.hk.super.net (root@kwaifong.hk.super.net [202.14.67.7]) by cwb.hk.super.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25942 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:08:06 +0800 (HKT) Received: from hobbes (usr2-48.hk.super.net [202.64.34.48]) by kwaifong.hk.super.net with SMTP id TAA24288 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:08:03 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <000701bdd33d$4b16e7a0$d512f103@hobbes> From: "William Hay" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: TP600 & Linux Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:08:01 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I've pretty much got Linux running on my TP600, but one thing still baffles me. If I specify the mem=96M parameter at boot time (I've got 96 meg), the boot process hangs at the end just as the inet daemon is loading, right before the lpd daemon would load. If I let linux load without a parameter, it loads 64M just fine. My RAM configuration is the 32M on the motherboard plus one 64M additional chip. Why would MORE memory screw up the process? Any ideas welcome! Will Do or do not. There is no "try" -- Yoda ---------------------------------------- William Hay whay@siena.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 07:14:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA09677 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27884; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:11:45 -0400 Received: from vixen.cs.utk.edu (VIXEN.CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.92.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27710; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by vixen.cs.utk.edu (cf v2.11c-UTK) id HAA10399; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from woody.wcnet.org (woody.wcnet.org [205.133.171.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09467; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pizza.z.org (root@find1-cs-10.dial.bright.net [205.212.145.139]) by woody.wcnet.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17205 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from peach.z.org. (peach.z.org [192.168.1.1]) by pizza.z.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA13533 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 1998 22:26:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: [TP380D] PC Card Recommendations Needed... X-Auto-Copy-In: 1998-08 From: jzawodn@wcnet.org (Jeremy D. Zawodny) Date: 28 Aug 1998 22:26:13 -0400 Message-ID: Organization: The Prout Group Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.6.37/Emacs 20.2 Posted-To: comp.sys.laptops List-Unsubscribe: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to comp.sys.laptops as well. Greetings, I have recently acquired a ThinkPad 380D and am quite pleased with it (I got a good deal). I plan to run Linux on it roughly 80% of the time and Windows 95 roughly 20% of the time. What I'm looking for are recommendations that anyone may have on a good Ethernet PC Card and a Modem PC Card. Specifically, I'd need a 10Mbps Ethernet Card with support for both 10base-T and 10base-2. Obviously, it ought to be trouble free with Linux and 95... though I will be using the Ethernet card almost exclusively under Linux. And the modem... I'd like 33.6 right now ('cause the V.90s seem to be too expensive yet). It'll be used mostly under 95 and occasionally under Linux. >From a cursory look at what's available, I'm leaning toward the 3Com Etherlink III 10T/BNC combo. I have no real preference on the modem yet. So, I'd appreciate any feedback (positive or negative) about PC Cards you may have used. Thanks in advance, Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny Web Geek, Perl Hacker, etc. http://www.wcnet.org/~jzawodn/ jzawodn@wcnet.org LOAD "LINUX",8,1 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 08:02:59 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA10171 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29135; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:00:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28987; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28975; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA28788; Sat, 29 Aug 98 08:00:14 EDT Message-Id: <35E7EC8C.85B26195@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 07:57:00 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: William Hay Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux References: <000701bdd33d$4b16e7a0$d512f103@hobbes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need to specify 384kB less than 96MB due to the way the first 1MB works (i.e., only 640kB of the first 1MB are usable). I can't remember what that is offhand, but you could certainly specify 95MB without losing much available memory. It still blows me away that even at 2.0.x Linux cannot figure this out on its own or with BIOS support. Windows certainly knows how much memory machines have. I believe that 2.1.x kernels do auto detect memory finally. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 09:12:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA10734 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01216; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:09:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01056; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.capecod.net (mailhost.capecod.net [204.255.214.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01044; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from capecod.net (cambo0674.capecod.net [209.244.246.166] (may be forged)) by mailhost.capecod.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA17265; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: <35E7FD7E.17B86B67@capecod.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:09:18 -0400 From: rdietric Reply-To: bigdaddy@ieee.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Hay CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux References: <000701bdd33d$4b16e7a0$d512f103@hobbes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 8 megs on the mother board are disabled when you add the 64 meg module giving 89+meg. William Hay wrote: > > I've pretty much got Linux running on my TP600, but one thing still baffles > me. If I specify the mem=96M parameter at boot time (I've got 96 meg), the > boot process hangs at the end just as the inet daemon is loading, right > before the lpd daemon would load. If I let linux load without a parameter, > it loads 64M just fine. My RAM configuration is the 32M on the motherboard > plus one 64M additional chip. Why would MORE memory screw up the process? > Any ideas welcome! > > Will > > Do or do not. There is no "try" -- Yoda > ---------------------------------------- > William Hay > whay@siena.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 11:43:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12673 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04668; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:40:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04440; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haifa.royl.com ([208.240.192.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04428; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heb2.royl.com ( [208.242.74.21] ) by haifa.royl.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:43:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199808290843.3530514.6@haifa.royl.com> From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:40:00 +0800 Reply-To: "Stephen Hosmer" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.0150 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Joystick for 770? List-Unsubscribe: I recently upgraded from a 760cd to a 770. The one thing I miss is a joystick. Does anyone know if there is an ibm cable or some solution to get a joystick port for the 770? ________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ:ROYL) Stephen Hosmer (hosmer@royl.com) CFO To request a Public key send a message with "send Public key" as subject. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 12:44:05 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA13569 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06788; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:41:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06646; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06633; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 12:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg131-180.ricochet.net [204.179.131.180]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA08949; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002501bdd36b$f0040a80$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "William Hay" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 09:41:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is not likely. The 440BX chipset is smarter than this. Right? >8 megs on the mother board are disabled when you add the 64 meg module >giving 89+meg. > >William Hay wrote: >> >> I've pretty much got Linux running on my TP600, but one thing still baffles >> me. If I specify the mem=96M parameter at boot time (I've got 96 meg), the >> boot process hangs at the end just as the inet daemon is loading, right >> before the lpd daemon would load. If I let linux load without a parameter, >> it loads 64M just fine. My RAM configuration is the 32M on the motherboard >> plus one 64M additional chip. Why would MORE memory screw up the process? >> Any ideas welcome! From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 13:10:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA13827 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08542; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08354; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08339; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (mg131-180.ricochet.net [204.179.131.180]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA20881; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002c01bdd36f$9a1c04c0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Stuart F. Biggar" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:08:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, my TP600 shows the same as your 770ED. (Also 32 on board and 64 MB SDRAM DIMM (from IBM) NT reports 97,524 K total physical memory. (Window NT diagnostics, memory tab, NT 4 SP-3 installed by me). From: Stuart F. Biggar >On my 770E (440BX), both POST and NT see 96 MB: 32 on board and >64 MB SDRAM DIMM (from IBM). NT reports 97,524 K total physical >memory (Window NT diagnostics, memory tab, NT 4 SP-3 preload >from IBM). > >Now, on a 765D, the 64 MB DIMM did disable 8 MB of the RAM on >the DIMM adapter so it had 104 (16 - 8 + 64 + 32). Again, both POST >and NT 4 saw 104 MB. The 765 had 2 DIMM slots but only one would >accept a 64 MB DIMM (two bank or some such designation); the other >slot would accept a max of a 32 MB DIMM. > >I expect that a 600 would be very similar if not the same as my 770E. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 14:24:58 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA15635 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11159; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10946; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10916; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 760 ([12.68.134.42]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with ESMTP id <19980829182223.IDZK21053@760> for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:22:23 +0000 From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: FS: External FLoppy attachment 760 Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:20:41 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19980829182223.IDZK21053@760> List-Unsubscribe: FS: External floppy box for 760 series (or others with a docking station). $75.00 shipped drive NOT included From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 14:47:09 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA16182 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11975; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:46:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11886; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.netwiz.net (Mail.NetWiz.Net [208.136.106.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11874; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 14:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [208.135.14.48] (SoCal56k142.NetWiz.Net [208.135.14.42]) by mail.netwiz.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA23865 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:45:57 -0700 X-Sender: mikeford@mail.netwiz.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <35E77D47.48704B37@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199808282123.RAA28812@mail.binghamton.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:41:43 -0700 To: Thinkpad From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Recommendations on carrying cases for TP770ED? List-Unsubscribe: At 9:02 PM -0700 8/28/98, Lee Hetherington wrote: >The ThinkPad Sport case by Port does fit the 770's rather husky size. We took the low theft, plenty of room route for our 770, an old Epson (in red letters) bag for $3 at a computer swap meet. It works very well, better than we guessed it would. Space, what a concept. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 16:59:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA17872 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16848; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:56:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16635; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.36]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16623; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from midtower01 ([12.69.3.90]) by mtiwmhc01.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980829205622.BWPT11152@midtower01> for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:56:22 +0000 From: "ATT Mail" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 16:45:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001501bdd38d$fbae5e40$b890fea9@midtower01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 17:39:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18312 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18067; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:37:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17980; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (sls.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17967; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hetherington.lcs.mit.edu by sls.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA00642; Sat, 29 Aug 98 17:37:37 EDT Message-Id: <35E873DF.EF4B5AC8@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 17:34:23 -0400 From: Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science, Spoken Language Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: bigdaddy@ieee.org Cc: William Hay , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux References: <000701bdd33d$4b16e7a0$d512f103@hobbes> <35E7FD7E.17B86B67@capecod.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: rdietric wrote: > 8 megs on the mother board are disabled when you add the 64 meg module > giving 89+meg. That is false. --Lee Hetherington From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:30:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18796 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19242; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:29:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19119; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19107; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA22393; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8817F.A40EAE32@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:32:31 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John.Black@BNSF.COM CC: " - (052)THINKPAD(a)cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory References: <0056770001094772000002L722*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: use the generic trident video driver with the 760C to avoid the obvious 64meg bug.. John.Black@BNSF.COM wrote: > At least with mine, if I attempted to up the color and/or resolution, > I got the same screen...with nothing else changing but the screen > settings that is why I am looking towards the driver as the possible > culprit ....I am using 2/32m Apricorn modules... > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: ThinkPad 760CD memory > Author: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu at Internet > Date: 8/24/98 3:02 PM > > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:42:36 -0500, you wrote: > > > Nick, > > > > I just went through the same thing approx. 2 months ago...The thing > > that you have to do is turn down the resolution on the display...I > > have the same 760CD with one hard drive which has Win95 loaded, and > > 64meg on board, and it does fine now with 256 color setting and > > 800x600 resolution. It appears that there is some kind of address > > specific something in the display driver when you step above the > > current settings for the display.... > > I just want to add that I initially (and still) think it might be a > problem with the display/video since when the machine hangs, it seems > 'stuck' on a very strange looking screen with gibberish all over the > place. Normally, when booting up this similar screen appearance > flashes for about a second just after the 'Microsoft Windows 98' > screen and just before the proper desktop screen (with My Computer > icons, etc. and the nice looking background wallpaper) appears - this > is normal for my machine by the way. But in my instance, this did not > make it to the desktop stage...I am already at the lowest colour > setting (256 colours) and the right resolution for my screen size > (800x600), so I really don't know where to go explore next (with > regards to the video settings). -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:35:40 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18898 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19709; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:34:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19620; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19605; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA23347; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E882B5.2AC522A1@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:37:41 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Taylor" CC: "Stuart F. Biggar" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux References: <002c01bdd36f$9a1c04c0$0201a8c0@greasygirl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you put two 128meg parts in the 770 or, i suspect, the 600, you will loose the memory on the system board.. i.e. all you'll get is 256megs.. otherwise if you add any combination of 32 or 64meg parts it will be ADDED to the system board memory.. as soon as i get some of the 128meg parts in (next week) i'll see if a 128 + 64 + 32(system board) will yeild 224megs.. should be interesting.. David W. Taylor wrote: > Yes, my TP600 shows the same as your 770ED. > > (Also 32 on board and 64 MB SDRAM DIMM (from IBM) > > NT reports 97,524 K total physical memory. > > (Window NT diagnostics, memory tab, NT 4 SP-3 installed by me). > > From: Stuart F. Biggar > > >On my 770E (440BX), both POST and NT see 96 MB: 32 on board and > >64 MB SDRAM DIMM (from IBM). NT reports 97,524 K total physical > >memory (Window NT diagnostics, memory tab, NT 4 SP-3 preload > >from IBM). > > > >Now, on a 765D, the 64 MB DIMM did disable 8 MB of the RAM on > >the DIMM adapter so it had 104 (16 - 8 + 64 + 32). Again, both POST > >and NT 4 saw 104 MB. The 765 had 2 DIMM slots but only one would > >accept a 64 MB DIMM (two bank or some such designation); the other > >slot would accept a max of a 32 MB DIMM. > > > >I expect that a 600 would be very similar if not the same as my 770E. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:37:48 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18908 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20045; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:35:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19803; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19782; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA23563; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E88303.666CE28C@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:38:59 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hosmer CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Joystick for 770? References: <199808290843.3530514.6@haifa.royl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: to get the game port, you'll need the selectabase 770.. Stephen Hosmer wrote: > I recently upgraded from a 760cd to a 770. The one thing I miss is a joystick. Does > anyone know if there is an ibm cable or some solution to get a joystick port for the 770? > ________________________________ > Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ:ROYL) > Stephen Hosmer (hosmer@royl.com) > CFO > > To request a Public key send a message > with "send Public key" as subject. -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:41:23 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18926 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20391; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:38:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20279; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20266; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA24214; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E883CC.99B07051@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:42:21 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derek Seaman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 770 power cord References: <004601bdd293$af6ccad0$33be3180@dseaman.spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If you are in a hurry, any of the round connector ac adaptors used on many thinkpads will work fine with your 770's.. the 770 ac cord is a strange thing.. i suggest that you call IBM help line at 800-772-2227.. Derek Seaman wrote: > Two of the three TP 770's we ordered did not come with power cords. The > adaptor is there, but not the cord that goes from the wall socket to the > adaptor brick. > > Where can I get a few of these cords? > > Derek L. Seaman, Engineer > Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 > SPAWAR System Center, San Diego > dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > Ph: (619) 553-6795 > Fx: (619) 553-1133 -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:44:46 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18946 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20917; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:43:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20816; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20804; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA24910; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E884DD.C711F0C9@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:46:53 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: "David W. Taylor" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Monthly reminder References: <004201bdd1f5$a7aa7200$fc32ab80@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: YIKES...!!! :-) a Morrow (ThinkerToys) and an LSI.. Dumb Terminal.. wow, what antiques.. i had ALL of that stuff at one time.. the blue LSI terminal was, well.. dumb..! but.. well, i'll not bore youall with that story.. David Ross wrote: > >Could I put in a plea for people to stop using email editors from the Stone > >Age? Pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator will logically > >end up with us all back using C/PM on a VT52 terminal... > > While I *usually* read my email in MSOE, often when I'm on the road I do mail via telnet to a Unix shell account, and there use mail > or Elm. I believe there is a fair number of people on this list who do something similar (after all, it *is* a list for portable > computer users). While I'm not really that put out myself by the html, I do think that it still causes enough grief for this to > remain an html-free list, at least for the time being. > > BTW, right next to the ThinkPad I'm using for this letter is a Morrow CP/M box with a Lear-Siegler terminal; except for color, the > latter looks suspiciously like an iMac... > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:48:14 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18961 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21320; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:46:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21156; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21144; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA25485; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E885AA.650E09A@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:50:18 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Wenczel CC: "Robert J. Karp" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase References: <005601bdd1ee$e4609b40$a24f37a6@tpad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike.. IBM does not yet, to my knowledge, have the 128meg part.. goldenram is the only mfg. with that part.. i have several on order just to try it.. should arrive monday or tuesday.. if 224megs sounds good, how do you think 256megs will sound.. ? :-) Mike Wenczel wrote: > Thanks for the confirmation. I feel better. In fact, I plan to replace the 32 meg chip with an IBM 128 when available for a total of 32 + 64 + 128 = 224 (yes, I'll be running NT). 224 has a nice ring to it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert J. Karp > To: Mike Wenczel ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Date: Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase > > > This is a bunch of horse sh_t. Yes, the 770E/ED use the BX chip set and can cache up to 512Mb of RAM. I've got 160Mb in my 770E and, -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:51:45 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19034 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21644; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:50:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21542; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21528; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA26107; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E88670.AA39F5A1@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:53:37 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM wireless LAN entry adaptor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alban.. did you ever get these to work under win95..?? i have several, and have not bothered trying since i finally found the pu= rported win95 driver.. Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > I was wondering if anybody has ever got these PC Cards (P/N 92G7787) to > work under Windows NT. > > The drivers supplied are only for Windows 95. IBM's web page on these > cards ("http://www.networking.ibm.com/wireles/wdprods/jb.htm") claims t= hat they > will run under Windows NT. > > How different are Windows 95 drivers from Windows NT drivers? For some > devices I am using, the Windows 95 drivers also work with Windows NT. > > Alban > > -- > A. Kellerbauer > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:53:30 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19045 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22000; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:51:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21722; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21690; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA26348; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E886AF.AAC475C7@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:54:39 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 64mb dimm in original tp560? References: <8625666C.0080740D.00@passnotes.share.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rich.. the 64meg part will work with any 560.. it just was not available when the 560 was announced.. Rich_Chong@mail.share.org wrote: > Hi, I have one of the original TP560 models (not E or X). IBM says I can at > most put in a 32mb dimm. Has anyone tried to see if a 64MB dimm works on > it?. Thanks. > > Rich -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 18:55:18 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19062 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22307; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:53:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22116; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22101; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id SAA26776; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E88735.DD80BB70@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 18:56:53 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Cudmore CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Bios 770ED & ACPI References: <3.0.5.32.19980826033652.00814e20@postoffice.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jerry.. i think that MS gave out ACPI specs to the mfg's, then later, after the hardware was in production or thereabouts, changed the ACPI specs as implemented in win98.. the result is that the 770 supports a non-existant ACPI spec.. :-) if memory serve..! i had a posting on my web site to that effect, i think.. Jerry Cudmore wrote: > So I installed the newest 770ED bios (ver1.22) It said something about > ACPI, What do we have to do with Windows98 to use ACPI, and has anyone done > this? > Jerry Cudmore -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 19:06:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19205 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23035; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:04:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22870; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22858; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA28767; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E889CB.7874796@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:07:55 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Michaelides CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Various 770ED minor anoyances References: <004401bdd0b2$0cfceba0$43b31bca@amlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andreas.. Andreas Michaelides wrote: **snip** > It's a drag that there is no Joystick port on the back, I'd luv 2 play > occasionally, on my breaks from work of course. you need a selectabase-770 to get the joystick port.. it was dumb not to have it on the 770, but..!?! :-\ > > > Does anyone know of a standard joystick -> USB converter?? > not yet, but there is a USB > Parallel converter > Later, > Andreas!! > ;-) -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 19:16:06 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19251 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23633; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:15:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23525; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23510; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA00904; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E88C4E.8226754E@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:18:38 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? References: <199808221030.GAA05510@mail.binghamton.edu> <199808242132.RAA15794@mail.binghamton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ken.. Ken wrote: > >if you want the full 8.1billion bytes then do this.. > >backup your complete OS.. > >fdisk your 8.1gig drive and make it one large FAT32 partition.. > >format it and then restore your backed up OS.. > >simple in theory, but be sure that you CAN restore it.. > >the recovery CD will be no good because it does not recognise FAT32.. > So, what you're saying is that, indeed, I am not currently using the full > 8.1gig of my drive? > no..remember HDD mfg's like to quote 1,000,000,000 as a gigabyte, when a true gigabyte is 1,024,000,000 (or something like that).. :-) so 8.1billion really works out to 7.880 billion BYTES.. clear..?? > Reformatting to all FAT32 seems like a bad idea - there seem to be too many > weird problems with FAT32. Indeed, the first third-party application I > tried to install on my machine (I think it's actually a Windows 3.1 > version) simply wouldn't run on my FAT32 partition, but ran just find off > the boot partition. > IMHO only a very old and badly written (IMO) app would not run under fat32.. > Can you explain why the problem exists, that the 8.1gig can't be used under > this configuration? which configueration..?? > > > Thanks! > > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com > http://free-music.com/ken -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 19:23:54 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19346 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24183; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:22:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24042; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24030; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (206.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.206]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id TAA02192; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E88E0E.2679F676@icanect.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:26:07 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Kim CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Something funny happens with win9x and 8gig drives.. maybe win98A will have these anomolies fixed.. :-) John Kim wrote: > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Lee Hetherington wrote: > > > Then there's also the difference between raw sizes and formatted sizes. > > Well, just one anecdote to the counter: I got a new system with > a 10GB disk at work. The sysadmin had preformatted it with > Win95. Apparently Win95 couldn't see past about 8GB because I > got a 2GB primary partition, and a 5.7GB extended partition. > The remaining 2GB or so was invisible to Win95, but visible to > NT. (Unfortunately, when I formatted it as a primary partition, > it remapped my drive letters leaving NT unbootable and forcing > me to reinstall everything - that'll teach me not to make > recovery disks.) > > So something funny happens right around the 8GB barrier with > Win95's fdisk. > > My vote is still for the 10^9 vs 2^30 discrepency though. > > -- > John H. Kim > kim@mak.com -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 20:13:28 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20128 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25492; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:12:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25387; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (huygens.physics.mcgill.ca [132.206.92.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25374; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alban@localhost) by huygens.physics.mcgill.ca (8.7.1/8.7.1) id UAA19005; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:11:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer X-Sender: alban@huygens.physics.mcgill.ca To: Bill Morrow Subject: Re: IBM wireless LAN entry adaptor In-Reply-To: <35E88670.AA39F5A1@icanect.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE List-Unsubscribe: I haven't tried them in a 95 machine since my two ThinkPads are running=20 NT. Many people on comp.sys.laptops have reported that they got them to=20 work, though. It is not looking good for these cards under NT. There may be no drivers. If somebody in Canada is interested, I would sell them at cost, which would= =20 be about 60$ CAD each. I have four of them. Alban On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com wrote: > Alban.. > did you ever get these to work under win95..?? > i have several, and have not bothered trying since i finally found the pu= rported > win95 driver.. >=20 > Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: >=20 > > I was wondering if anybody has ever got these PC Cards (P/N 92G7787) to > > work under Windows NT. > > > > The drivers supplied are only for Windows 95. IBM's web page on these > > cards ("http://www.networking.ibm.com/wireles/wdprods/jb.htm") claims t= hat they > > will run under Windows NT. > > > > How different are Windows 95 drivers from Windows NT drivers? For some > > devices I am using, the Windows 95 drivers also work with Windows NT. > > > > Alban > > > > -- > > A. Kellerbauer > > > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > > UIN 8141789 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > Happy Trails... >=20 > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html > bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net > 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad >=20 >=20 A. Kellerbauer McGill University Nuclear Physics Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) UIN 8141789 From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 22:41:27 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21713 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28945; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:39:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28807; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.54]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28786; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ncal.verio.com (oak-alg-gw8-61.ncal.verio.com [207.21.140.124]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11192 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35E8BB70.1EAD147F@ncal.verio.com> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 19:39:44 -0700 From: "Chas G. Piper" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sat Aug 29 23:37:01 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA22665 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00341; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:30:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00249; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post5.inre.asu.edu (post5.inre.asu.edu [129.219.110.86]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00236; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #24133) with ESMTP id <01J16T2G8PAU99W6BQ@asu.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:30:31 MST Received: from aztec.asu.edu (aztec2.asu.edu [198.60.132.11]) by smtp1.asu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA13808; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:30:30 -0700 (MST) Received: by aztec.asu.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28466; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:30:29 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 20:30:29 -0700 (MST) From: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu (ELIZA) Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? To: penzance@icanect.net, kenzo@free-music.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu Message-id: <9808300330.AA28466@aztec.asu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: ........................ >no..remember HDD mfg's like to quote 1,000,000,000 as a gigabyte, when a true >gigabyte is 1,024,000,000 (or something like that).. :-) >so 8.1billion really works out to 7.880 billion BYTES.. >clear..?? in fact, only 7.5437...: 1 KB = 2exp10 bytes = 1,024 bytes 1 MB = 2exp20 bytes = 1,048,576 bytes 1 GB = 2exp30 bytes = 1,073,741,824 bytes then 7.543712854385 GB = 8,100,000,000 bytes Win95 reports both values in its disk and file properties JC From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:00:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24523 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03819; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:58:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03738; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03726; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id BAA23353; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8EAF9.34F200EC@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:02:34 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean-Pierre Diebold CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Protection cover for battery bay References: <3.0.5.32.19980826001014.007d4720@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jean-Pierre... 1. never heard of a cover for the battery opening.. i think that most users use the machine with the battery in place.. :-) 2. the rubber part is to protect the plug on the 770 floppy drive when it is used externally.. Jean-Pierre Diebold wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a cover for the bay when the battery is > not being used? > > The IBM site mentions a travel cover by Compu-Lock but when I go to their > site they only feature security products and alarms. > I have heard that such a cover exists....any suggestions? > > Jean-Pierre > > PS: There is a piece of flexible rubber that came with my 770ED...Does > anyone know what it is for? -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:06:37 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24639 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04245; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:05:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04159; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04146; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA27470; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8EC7B.69629AA@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:08:59 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: elizaw@aztec.asu.edu CC: kenzo@free-music.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP770ED] How to get full 8.1gig w/Windows 95 on 770ED? References: <9808300330.AA28466@aztec.asu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: okok.. so i CAN'T add.. :-) ELIZA wrote: > ........................ > >no..remember HDD mfg's like to quote 1,000,000,000 as a gigabyte, when a true > >gigabyte is 1,024,000,000 (or something like that).. :-) > >so 8.1billion really works out to 7.880 billion BYTES.. > >clear..?? > > in fact, only 7.5437...: > > 1 KB = 2exp10 bytes = 1,024 bytes > 1 MB = 2exp20 bytes = 1,048,576 bytes > 1 GB = 2exp30 bytes = 1,073,741,824 bytes > > then > > 7.543712854385 GB = 8,100,000,000 bytes > > Win95 reports both values in its disk and file properties > > JC -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:11:57 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24669 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04675; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04588; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04576; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA19445; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8EDBF.DA52F1F9@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:14:23 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Hay CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: TP600 & Linux References: <000701bdd33d$4b16e7a0$d512f103@hobbes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: did you check to see how much memory is reported by the bios.. it might NOT be exactly 96megs.. William Hay wrote: > I've pretty much got Linux running on my TP600, but one thing still baffles > me. If I specify the mem=96M parameter at boot time (I've got 96 meg), the > boot process hangs at the end just as the inet daemon is loading, right > before the lpd daemon would load. If I let linux load without a parameter, > it loads 64M just fine. My RAM configuration is the 32M on the motherboard > plus one 64M additional chip. Why would MORE memory screw up the process? > Any ideas welcome! > > Will > > Do or do not. There is no "try" -- Yoda > ---------------------------------------- > William Hay > whay@siena.com -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:17:24 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24709 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05113; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:16:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05032; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05020; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA22706; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8EF0F.ADD2C02B@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:20:00 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alban Gerd Kellerbauer CC: Derek Seaman Subject: Re: 770 power cord References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I beg to differ with you.. while the two prong cords are relatively easy to find at radio shack, the three prong, i think, is not... it is much easier and cheaper to call IBM.. they have them and they'll se= nd them.. Alban Gerd Kellerbauer wrote: > You should ask the company who sold you the computers to send you all > parts that should have come with it in the first place. > > If you are in a hurry, however, you can just go out and buy the cords a= t > about 2$ each. They are either standard rasor-style (two-prong) or > standard electrical appliance (three-prong) cords. Very easy to find. > > Alban > > On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Derek Seaman wrote: > > > Two of the three TP 770's we ordered did not come with power cords. T= he > > adaptor is there, but not the cord that goes from the wall socket to = the > > adaptor brick. > > > > Where can I get a few of these cords? > > > > > > Derek L. Seaman, Engineer > > Tactical Cryptologic Systems, D7213 > > SPAWAR System Center, San Diego > > dseaman@spawar.navy.mil > > Ph: (619) 553-6795 > > Fx: (619) 553-1133 > > > > A. Kellerbauer > > McGill University Nuclear Physics > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) > UIN 8141789 -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:23:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24798 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05430; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:22:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05349; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05337; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA22336; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8F074.465A4D2F@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:56 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken CC: Randal Whittle , Gary Ginstling , TP List Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate References: <000301bdd125$b3e89040$3c85d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> <199808262041.QAA10657@mail.binghamton.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: to be precise, the hibernate file is the memory size + video ram size.. which could be more than 1meg.. this would be different on each machine type.. Ken wrote: > At 01:01 PM 8/26/98 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > Suspend: Everything gets shut down except power to the memory (to keep it > >refreshed) and a trickle of power to the CPU. This makes it so only the > >barest minimum of power is used to keep stuff "alive" on your machine and > >can last for days (weeks?) if done on a full charge, but it *does* use some > > I was led to believe (by IBM's own information? and by how other notebooks' > suspend features also work) that the computer won't last more than a day in > suspend mode, off a charged battery. > > > Hibernate: Everything in the active memory is saved to a special (large) > >"Hibernation File" is the size of your RAM memory (i.e., if you have 64 MB > >of RAM, you'll have a 64 MB Hibernation File on your "C" drive). > > (Actually, it's the size of your RAM plus 1 MB. So, for 64 MB RAM, the > file is 65 MB.) > > > Personally I have very little (well, zero) use for the Hibernation > > It's particularly important for when you've run the battery down to the > end, and suspend won't do, or if you've gone into suspend mode but the > battery trickles down too low. On my TP 770ED there are various options to > set about this. > > Ken > kenzo@free-music.com > http://free-music.com/ken -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:25:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24816 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05705; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:24:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05566; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05554; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA03945; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8F0E8.2E63D563@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:27:52 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Rich_Chong@mail.share.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 64mb dimm in original tp560? References: <001101bdd15d$84895b80$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Early on, there were different 64meg DIMM's for the 560 and the 760X series.. only one mfg. did this to my knowledge.. also, beware of stacked chips on cheap memory.. David Ross wrote: > >Hi, I have one of the original TP560 models (not E or X). IBM says I can at > >most put in a 32mb dimm. Has anyone tried to see if a 64MB dimm works on > >it?. Thanks. > > I just did this. Make sure you have a fairly recent BIOS. Also, some generic dimms don't seem to work with this machine (at least > the two I got from chipmerchant didn't). The going price for a generic DIMM is about $95, while some dealers list PNY modules for > under $110 (but check the stock!)and the Viking dimm I eventually bought was $124 (from Insight). > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 02:27:19 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24833 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05978; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05816; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from foo.icanect.net (foo.icanect.net [208.202.14.72]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05797; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from icanect.net (144.p1.Ascend04.MIA.Icanect.Net [208.224.59.144]) by foo.icanect.net (8.8.8/ICA3.2) with ESMTP id CAA14162; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E8F133.D2A40F0E@icanect.net> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:29:07 -0400 From: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: TP List Subject: Re: TP: More on Suspend/Hibernate References: <002601bdd15e$205def80$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. more or less, yes.. David Ross wrote: > While we're on this subject: > > I usually use a safe suspend on my 560 (i.e., save memory to disk then suspend instead of hibernate). This saves me some time on > resume. However, resumption is still far from immediate for me - the machine putters around for 30 seconds or more before giving me > control. Is this the norm? (BTW, I'm running W95.) > > David A. Ross > ross@math.hawaii.edu -- Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@icanect.net 770ED-5AU, 770-1AU, 760ED, 701C(4), 755CE, 750C, IBM WorkPad From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 05:13:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA26690 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11469; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:12:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11338; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11326; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA17037; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:11:54 -1000 Message-ID: <002901bdd3f6$538e6b60$0200a8c0@Sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" , "Jean-Pierre Diebold" Cc: Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Protection cover for battery bay Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 23:12:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: >Jean-Pierre... >1. never heard of a cover for the battery opening.. i think that most users >use the machine with the battery in place.. :-) TI offered these covers for their Travelmate series, and I think they serve a very useful purpose - on those days when you carry the laptop between home and the office, and don't need to work away from an AC source, the cover protects the laptop innards from dust while allowing for a lighter load. I'd like one for my 560, but don't expect to see one any time soon. - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 14:21:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA01700 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26206; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25968; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25956; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from userid (pool001-dwan1.pw-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [207.217.132.1]) by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA01139 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Gary Ginstling" To: "IBM Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: tp600 warm swap not working as expected Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:17:40 -0700 Message-ID: <000601bdd442$79adb840$b684d9cf@userid.anderson.ucla.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Hi- I have a new TP600 P2 266, and according to the user's Reference book which accompanied the computer, I should be able to warm swap when the floppy is in the ultra slim bay. The directions say to enter suspend mode, wait for the light on the underside of the computer to turn off, then remove the floppy and insert the cdrom drive. Whenever I attempt this, as soon as the cd rom drive clicks in the machine starts beeping, in a pattern of two short beeps, which are repeated over and over. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a problem here, or am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated... TIA, Gary G ginsuransom@earthlink.net From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 16:08:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02837 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29093; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:06:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28949; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mak.mak.com (mak.mak.com [207.86.232.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28937; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from miracle (miracle.mak.com [207.86.232.103]) by mak.mak.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA04861 for <@mak.mak.com:THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (kim@localhost) by miracle (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id PAA01564 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:58:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: John Kim X-Sender: kim@miracle To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More questions about suspend In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980828152317.00953ca0@mail.smartlink.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Lou wrote: > >From the thread on hibernation, I presume that I only have to close the lid > >and I am in the suspend mode? Most laptops let you configure what happens when you close the lid. You will have to consult your manual and/or BIOS to answer that question. > Can I move the computer in this mode? > Warm regards, Hee hee. Closing the lid engages an anti-theft mercury switch which will cause the laptop to explode if it is moved. :-) Yes you can move it in suspend. Heck, you can move it while it's on without causing any problems. Just don't drop it - if you exceed the hard drive's impact rating (usually a couple hundred Gs), a head could scratch a platter causing permanent damage (but it hasn't happened to me yet, and I've dropped my laptops over a dozen times while they were on). -- John H. Kim kim@mak.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 19:03:34 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA05029 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10668; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:01:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10464; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10449; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA06503 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:00:58 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Date: Mon, 31 Aug 98 00:00 BST-1 From: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk (Gerry Prosser) Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Protection cover for battery bay To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Cc: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Reply-To: g_prosser@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: List-Unsubscribe: In-Reply-To: <35E8EAF9.34F200EC@icanect.net> >2. the rubber part is to protect the plug on the 770 floppy drive when > it is used externally. that's the *one* I have never tried to fit it 8-)) ... it was a mystery to me too .... thanks Gerry From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 21:25:31 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06982 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18619; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:23:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18463; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18451; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:22:42 -0400 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (ad41-160.arl.compuserve.com [199.174.159.160]) by hil-img-ims-5.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with ESMTP id VAA26026; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35E9FABE.E3275999@csc.com> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:22:06 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hosmer CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Joystick for 770? References: <199808290843.3530514.6@haifa.royl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: With Windows 98 you can hook up a USB joystick to the 770. HTH, Rob Stephen Hosmer wrote: > > I recently upgraded from a 760cd to a 770. The one thing I miss is a joystick. Does > anyone know if there is an ibm cable or some solution to get a joystick port for the 770? > ________________________________ > Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ:ROYL) > Stephen Hosmer (hosmer@royl.com) > CFO -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 30 23:15:49 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09047 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22162; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:14:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22053; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pm05sm.pmm.mci.net (pm05sm.pmm.mci.net [208.159.126.154]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22041; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tpad (usr52-dialup50.mix2.Boston.mci.net) by PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET (PMDF V5.1-10 #U2935) with SMTP id <0EYJ005FAAAC8C@PM05SM.PMM.MCI.NET> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:13:27 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 23:18:03 -0400 From: Mike Wenczel Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Recent Purchase To: "Bill Morrow - http://thinkpads.com" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <009201bdd48d$f88b5500$f24f37a6@tpad> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 List-Unsubscribe: >if 224megs sounds good, how do you think 256megs will sound.. ? :-) Like an addiction :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 00:11:13 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA09727 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24281; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:08:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24157; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribble.queenbee.net ([209.51.171.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24128; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p54-m11-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz (p54-m11-ch7.dialup.xtra.co.nz [203.96.106.118]) by scribble.queenbee.net (NTMail 3.03.0017/7.aaol) with ESMTP id na293553 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:21:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bdd486$970d9d80$766a60cb@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: External Mic on 770 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:24:46 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Giday, I know that you cannot use an external mic on a 770 unless it has a built in battery. I was wondering thou, does anyone know how to built a power adapter to do between the thinkpad and the mic to provide an unpowered mic with power. Is this possible?? Can that metal ring around the mic socket be used to power this new device, so as not to need any other batteries?? Thanks, Andreas!! :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 00:24:32 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA09876 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25279; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:23:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25152; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from access.crcn.net (access.crcn.net [206.12.129.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25138; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:22:54 -0400 (EDT) X-ROUTED: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:24:34 -0800 Received: from [206.12.131.40] by access.crcn.net with smtp id 15470e84 ; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:24:14 -0800 From: "Pat Presidente" To: "Andreas Michaelides" , "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: External Mic on 770 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:22:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bdd496$fed4e530$28830cce@prez.crcn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: <000801bdd486$970d9d80$766a60cb@amlaptop> List-Unsubscribe: I don't know if this is worth anything - but, I have a 380XD and tried numerous computer mikes on it and none worked. I then found the blurb on the IBM site regarding the Thinkpad microphone input and how it differs and that a mike with battery power would be required. At that point I didn't think much more of it. As it turns out, this weekend I was looking for an external mike for my CD/tape player to record some live music. I went down to Radio Shack and bought a $9 mike for a cassette recorder. The brand name is Genexxa, but I don't know if that matters. At any rate, for the heck of it I decided to try it on the Thinkpad and lo and behold it works fine. I hooked up the Dragon Naturally Speaking software (the headset that came with it wouldn't work) and everything works great. So ... it may be that a cassette mike is all that's required - worked for me. :-) Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= Well you know I could have me a million more friends And all I'd have to lose is my point of view - John Prine ========================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Michaelides [mailto:a.michaelides@vc999.com] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 1998 7:25 PM To: Thinkpad Subject: External Mic on 770 Giday, I know that you cannot use an external mic on a 770 unless it has a built in battery. I was wondering thou, does anyone know how to built a power adapter to do between the thinkpad and the mic to provide an unpowered mic with power. Is this possible?? Can that metal ring around the mic socket be used to power this new device, so as not to need any other batteries?? Thanks, Andreas!! :-) From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 02:21:22 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11413 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28144; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:19:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27999; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.38]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27978; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.6.166]) by mtiwmhc03.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980831061900.MIRT19245@bp>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:19:00 +0000 Message-ID: <35EA4041.4E5C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:18:41 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Michaelides CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: External Mic on 770 References: <000801bdd486$970d9d80$766a60cb@amlaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andreas Michaelides wrote: > > > I was wondering thou, does anyone know how to built a power adapter to do > between the thinkpad and the mic to provide an unpowered mic with power. Is > this possible?? Can that metal ring around the mic socket be used to power > this new device, so as not to need any other batteries?? Go to http://www.speechcontrol.com to find your answer. Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 02:48:20 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11666 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29076; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:47:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28991; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28979; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.sbs.co.at (www.sbs.co.at [195.75.3.18]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA183522; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:47:02 GMT Received: by www.sbs.co.at(Lotus SMTP MTA SMTP v4.6 (462.2 9-3-1997)) id C1256671.002533F2 ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:46:21 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SBS@WEB From: "Bernd Meierhofer" To: kenzo@free-music.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:46:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Recommendations on carrying cases for TP770ED? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: The following carrying cases are big enough for a ThinkPad 770ED: - Targus Pilot Case P/N CP01 - Targus Convertible Backpac P/N CLC1 Regards, Bernd Ken on 28.08.98 23.23.11 To: Thinkpad cc: (bcc: Bernd Meierhofer/SBS/AT) Subject: Recommendations on carrying cases for TP770ED? I still haven't gotten a case for my 770ED. I had selected the Targus air universal (model CUN1A), but their web page lies about the computer compatibility dimensions. The insert that came with the case listed the true dimensions, which, indeed, were just a bit too small for the 770ED. Anyway, since I'm shopping again, I wondered if people have had good or bad experiences with certain cases, or certain case-making companies in general. Thanks for the advice. Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 03:07:08 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA11825 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29885; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:00:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29710; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.hawaii.edu (math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29662; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robinson.math.hawaii.edu by math.hawaii.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA19760; Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:59:59 -1000 Message-ID: <004c01bdd4ac$99caa560$fb32ab80@robinson.math.hawaii.edu> From: "David Ross" To: "Andreas Michaelides" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: External Mic on 770 Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 20:56:59 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: >I was wondering thou, does anyone know how to built a power adapter to do >between the thinkpad and the mic to provide an unpowered mic with power. Is >this possible?? I just asked this very question here a week or two ago! Answers came from letoured@sover.net, Greg Terrell, and Birger Petterson; the following two sites have this kind of adapter: http://www.speechcontrol.com http://www.talk-systems.com/ Also, if you don't mind adding your own batteries, you can get an adaptor direct from Andrea (I don't know their web address, but IBM has it on their site in the FAQ about microphones on ThinkPads). - David R. From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 03:33:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA12038 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02438; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:29:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02294; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAIL1 (mail1.indosat.net [202.155.15.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02282; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from martin - 202.135.133.152 by indosat.net.id with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:23:31 +0700 Message-ID: <001501bdd4b1$5dfb6ba0$988587ca@martin> Reply-To: "Martin Sabera" From: "Martin Sabera" To: Subject: TP760XD Mwave 2.25a problem on modem, need help please Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:31:16 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Hello List! I used TP760XD, Windows98, and already upgrade Mwave 2.2.5a (d/l from www.pc.ibm.com). Before that my computer use Win95 and 33.6 Mwave modem work fine. Why my modem know only detect not more than 28.8K?, is that any BUGs on upgrading software. Any suggestion, help appreciate Regards, Sobat Lama From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 05:18:41 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA12977 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07303; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:16:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06527; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from serv05.slac.stanford.edu (SERV05.SLAC.Stanford.EDU [134.79.16.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06394; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slac.stanford.edu ("port 1038"@[134.79.149.156]) by SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #23033) with ESMTP id <01J18JESDQ3800014Y@SERV05.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:15:44 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:14:29 -0700 From: Bob Cowles Subject: 755C video under Win95/8 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <35EA6974.A1F81B7@slac.stanford.edu> Organization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center X-Envelope-to: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: List-Unsubscribe: A few weeks ago I had a problem solved here with getting Win98 installed on a 755C in only 15 minutes. I don't expect tat kind of response again, but I'm sure there's someone who has run into this problem before and I can't seem to find a solution by poking around. With both Win98 and then again with Win95 (dropping back because of this problem), the system installed a Western Digital video driver that refuses to use more then 16 colors. I have spent a lot of time at the IBM Thinkpad web site (until they broke it again tonight) trying to figure out what file(s) I might be missing. I seem to have no VESA.EXE installed in config.sys but I'm not sure if that affects only DOS or Win95 too. On the slightly less annoying front, the utilities diskette seems to no longer have the programs to set up the power management features and that show the pictures of the front and back of the thinkpad. I'm sure I'm missing something here too .... what is it? I know that the utilities changed for Win98 on the 760+ thinkpads to use the Microsoft configuration code but it's not clear what happens for the old 755's. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob Cowles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 05:57:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA13373 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12487; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:56:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12347; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12330; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (slip139-92-72-253.pa.fr.ibm.net [139.92.72.253]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA47898 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:56:02 GMT Message-Id: <199808310956.JAA47898@out1.ibm.net> Reply-To: From: "Micro Etoile Lyon" To: Subject: ThinkPad running LINUX Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:56:10 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BDD4D6.583378A0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ceci est un message multi-parties au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_01BDD4D6.583378A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm looking for a solution to let run a IBM ThinkPad (380 or 600) under Linux. 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------=_NextPart_000_01BDD4D6.583378A0-- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 06:35:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA13701 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14092; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:34:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13962; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glacier.binc.net (glacier.binc.net [205.173.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13946; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 06:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rkarp (msn-1-78.x2.binc.net [198.70.31.78]) by glacier.binc.net (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA08782; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:34:02 -0500 Message-ID: <003401bdd4ca$df595d60$4e1f46c6@rkarp> From: "Robert J. Karp" To: "Bob Cowles" , Subject: Re: 755C video under Win95/8 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 05:34:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: You need to install the DOS/Win3.1 video driver. Here is the link: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/COBN-3EMDHL.html -----Original Message----- From: Bob Cowles To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 4:17 AM Subject: 755C video under Win95/8 A few weeks ago I had a problem solved here with getting Win98 installed on a 755C in only 15 minutes. I don't expect tat kind of response again, but I'm sure there's someone who has run into this problem before and I can't seem to find a solution by poking around. With both Win98 and then again with Win95 (dropping back because of this problem), the system installed a Western Digital video driver that refuses to use more then 16 colors. I have spent a lot of time at the IBM Thinkpad web site (until they broke it again tonight) trying to figure out what file(s) I might be missing. I seem to have no VESA.EXE installed in config.sys but I'm not sure if that affects only DOS or Win95 too. On the slightly less annoying front, the utilities diskette seems to no longer have the programs to set up the power management features and that show the pictures of the front and back of the thinkpad. I'm sure I'm missing something here too .... what is it? I know that the utilities changed for Win98 on the 760+ thinkpads to use the Microsoft configuration code but it's not clear what happens for the old 755's. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob Cowles From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 07:08:38 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA13977 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15121; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:02:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15020; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de [160.45.2.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15007; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de (160.45.2.6) with smtp id ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:02:22 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:02:21 +0200 (MEST) From: Christoph Eyrich X-Sender: eyrich@komma.fddi2.fu-berlin.de To: Micro Etoile Lyon cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad running LINUX In-Reply-To: <199808310956.JAA47898@out1.ibm.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Micro Etoile Lyon wrote: > I'm looking for a solution to let run a IBM ThinkPad (380 or 600) under > Linux. > Is it possible, an if yes, where become information on how do it ? http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ Regards Christoph Eyrich eyrich@zedat.fu-berlin.de From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 10:01:26 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15765 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22603; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:55:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22184; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.digit.ca (www.digit.ca [209.29.144.40]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22152; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nic [209.29.144.35] by mail.digit.ca (SMTPD32-4.04) id AA66780140; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:51:34 EDT Message-ID: <002601bdd4e7$0742e3c0$23901dd1@nic.fonorola.net> From: "Philip Hogarth" To: "Andreas Michaelides" , "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: External Mic on 770 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:55:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: one solution is to plug a tape recorder into line in. plug a mic into the tape recorder and make sure you're in record mode. should come thru OK. Philip Hogarth Partner Director, Web Services digIT Interactive Inc. hogarth@digit.ca We Build digITal Brands Experience our results at www.digit.ca Ottawa: 613-729-0515 ext. 204 Toronto: 416-363-7938 -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Michaelides To: Thinkpad Date: Monday, August 31, 1998 12:01 AM Subject: External Mic on 770 >Giday, > >I know that you cannot use an external mic on a 770 unless it has a built in >battery. > >I was wondering thou, does anyone know how to built a power adapter to do >between the thinkpad and the mic to provide an unpowered mic with power. Is >this possible?? Can that metal ring around the mic socket be used to power >this new device, so as not to need any other batteries?? > >Thanks, >Andreas!! >:-) > > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 10:31:16 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA16177 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24695; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:28:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24594; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAF (smtp6.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.75]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24579; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:28:16 -0400 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with ESMTP id KAA25939; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EAB30D.5B08EAC@csc.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:28:29 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Cowles CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755C video under Win95/8 References: <35EA6974.A1F81B7@slac.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You need to install the IBM Video Features and IBM Utility Features. These are available for download from the IBM web site (when it is working). Video Features will provide correct Windows video drivers (you shouldn't need to mess with CONFIG.SYS at all). Utility Features is a set of diskettes that contains both general utilities and operating system specific ones. Make sure you get both the general and OS specific files. Follow the directions for installation (on the web site or in the readme.txt file on the disk) because some of the steps are very important to follow in the right order. HTH, Rob Bob Cowles wrote: > > A few weeks ago I had a problem solved here with getting Win98 installed on a > 755C in only 15 minutes. I don't expect tat kind of response again, but I'm > sure there's someone who has run into this problem before and I can't seem to > find a solution by poking around. > > With both Win98 and then again with Win95 (dropping back because of this > problem), the system installed a Western Digital video driver that refuses to > use more then 16 colors. I have spent a lot of time at the IBM Thinkpad web > site (until they broke it again tonight) trying to figure out what file(s) I > might be missing. I seem to have no VESA.EXE installed in config.sys but I'm > not sure if that affects only DOS or Win95 too. > > On the slightly less annoying front, the utilities diskette seems to no longer > have the programs to set up the power management features and that show the > pictures of the front and back of the thinkpad. I'm sure I'm missing > something here too .... what is it? I know that the utilities changed for > Win98 on the 760+ thinkpads to use the Microsoft configuration code but it's > not clear what happens for the old 755's. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Bob Cowles -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 12:35:11 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA18020 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02745; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02535; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02514; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:31:29 -0400 Sender: rbell1@csc.com Received: from csc.com (gw1.mcda.org [206.196.37.146]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.4) with ESMTP id MAA28293 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35EACFFD.2EC70A2@csc.com> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:31:57 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Storing Laptop While Suspended References: <356EC9AE.6E8C9F8B@csc.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP770 running NT 4.0. Can I put it in suspend mode at the end of the day (Fn-F4) and then put it in a laptop bag until the next morning? I'm concerned that either A) there will be too much heat built up without any ventilation or B) the battery might not last that many hours in suspend mode. Is there another way to store the PC without shutting it off when the PC runs NT 4.0? Does hibernation work well on a TP with NT? Thanks for any tips. Later, Rob ----------------------------------------- Rob Bell Senior Consultant, CPD Professional CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN rob_bell@csi.com ----------------------------------------- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 13:03:36 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18425 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04281; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:55:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04172; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m1.sprynet.com (m1.sprynet.com [165.121.2.97]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04147; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from greasygirl (GREASYGIRL.brightware.com [206.156.118.254]) by m1.sprynet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA18207; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000801bdd500$3f578ae0$fe769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Rob Bell" , Subject: Re: Storing Laptop While Suspended Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:55:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Could I add to Rob's question? I have a TP600 running NT4.0. I carry it between my employer's place of business and my home. Both sites have Windows NT networks. I have chosen to create a Workgroup account on my laptop so that I can log in easily UNDER A SINGLE PROFILE to either domain as a workgroup member. Questions: * Is this method of movement between no-trusted domains the best? * Can I suspend my laptop at work, carry it home and wake it up on the other network? * I am using a single large NTFS partition. Do I need to create a FAT partition and use a hibernation file? * What happens to my TCP/IP connection if I close the lid, while connected to either network and then open the lid again at either the same network or the other one? Thanks. David >I have a TP770 running NT 4.0. Can I put it in suspend mode at the end >of the day (Fn-F4) and then put it in a laptop bag until the next >morning? I'm concerned that either A) there will be too much heat built >up without any ventilation or B) the battery might not last that many >hours in suspend mode. Is there another way to store the PC without >shutting it off when the PC runs NT 4.0? Does hibernation work well on >a TP with NT? > >Thanks for any tips. > >Later, >Rob > >----------------------------------------- >Rob Bell >Senior Consultant, CPD Professional >CSC Consulting, Minneapolis, MN >rob_bell@csi.com >----------------------------------------- > From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 15:54:42 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21406 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15198; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14993; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (cayuga.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.209]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14980; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from slate.cs.rochester.edu (slate.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.101]) by cayuga.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/O) with ESMTP id PAA04357 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:07 -0400 Received: from atto.cs.rochester.edu (atto.cs.rochester.edu [192.5.53.189]) by slate.cs.rochester.edu (8.6.9/O) with ESMTP id PAA21519 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:06 -0400 Received: (from bukys@localhost) by atto.cs.rochester.edu (SMI-8.6/N++) id PAA17326; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:50:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199808311950.PAA17326@atto.cs.rochester.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: vendor of TP770 disks Cc: bukys@cs.rochester.edu List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking of replacing the 3GB disk in my TP770 with something larger (whatever will fit, weigh about the same, and inject appropriate amount of heat). * Can anyone recommend some Thinkpad-aware vendors of internal disks? * Any particular suggestions for getting my multiple partitions (FAT32 for W95 OSRx, NTFS for NT) copied somewhere and then back again without a reinstall? As for the "somewhere", I'm also thinking about buying a disk for the UltraBay; if I do that, does that make my file simpler for some DriveImage or GHOST copying? From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 17:29:51 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23205 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21061; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:26:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20845; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20827; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27229; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:26:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:26:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: Rob Bell cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Storing Laptop While Suspended In-Reply-To: <35EACFFD.2EC70A2@csc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Rob Bell wrote: > I have a TP770 running NT 4.0. Can I put it in suspend mode at the end > of the day (Fn-F4) and then put it in a laptop bag until the next > morning? I'm concerned that either A) there will be too much heat built > up without any ventilation or B) the battery might not last that many > hours in suspend mode. It should be fine. Only a negligible amount of heat is generated, and the battery will last for some time. Once its in suspend mode and disconnected >from AC, the ThinkPad's display will give you an estimate of battery life. It'll probably last over 12 days on a fully changed battery. > Is there another way to store the PC without > shutting it off when the PC runs NT 4.0? Does hibernation work well on > a TP with NT? I have no idea. I use hibernation on my 765D with OS/2, and I work with someone who runs NT 4 on a 770. He refuses to setup hibernation. My ThinkPad can only have the hibernation file on a FAT or HPFS formated partition. I think it said specifically that NTFS was not supported. Jeff Jackowski Unhappily running NT at work -- the only OS that can't do an alphabetical sort! (I tried on the desktop . . . ) http://ro.com/~jeff/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 17:35:33 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23296 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21715; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:32:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21540; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21509; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bp ([12.70.6.24]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.03 118 118 102) with SMTP id <19980831213122.UCBN15816@bp>; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:31:22 +0000 Message-ID: <35EB1617.5D05@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:31:03 -0400 From: BirgerPetterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bukys@cs.rochester.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: vendor of TP770 disks References: <199808311950.PAA17326@atto.cs.rochester.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Check out http://www.thinkpads.com Birger From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 17:39:02 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23342 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22265; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:35:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22100; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh1.ro.com (sh1.ro.com [205.216.92.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22018; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jeffj@localhost) by sh1.ro.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA29256; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:35:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:35:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: "David W. Taylor" cc: Rob Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Storing Laptop While Suspended In-Reply-To: <000801bdd500$3f578ae0$fe769cce@greasygirl.brightware.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, David W. Taylor wrote: > Could I add to Rob's question? I have a TP600 running NT4.0. I carry it > between my employer's place of business and my home. Both sites have > Windows NT networks. I have chosen to create a Workgroup account on my > laptop so that I can log in easily UNDER A SINGLE PROFILE to either domain > as a workgroup member. > > Questions: > > * Is this method of movement between no-trusted domains the best? > * Can I suspend my laptop at work, carry it home and wake it up on the other > network? I'd imagine that would work, especially if the network setup is the same and you really aren't using some computer thats available on one network and not the other. If you use Outlook with an exchange server, MAPI32 might die without a connection to the exchange server. > * I am using a single large NTFS partition. Do I need to create a FAT > partition and use a hibernation file? With a 765D, yes. With a 770, I don't know. Check the manuals. > * What happens to my TCP/IP connection if I close the lid, while connected > to either network and then open the lid again at either the same network or > the other one? My 765D refuses to suspend or hibernate while its ethernet card is inserted and on, or a serial port is in use. If I take out the card or turn it off, and then insert the card or turn it on at the other end, TCP/IP works fine. However, my firend who runs NT on a 770 has had trouble with getting his ethernet card to work after being reinserted. Jeff Jackowski Unhappily running NT at work -- the only OS that can't do an alphabetical sort! (I tried on the desktop . . . ) http://ro.com/~jeff/ From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 17:52:52 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA23495 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23565; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:49:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23356; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU (mailhub.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23333; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from IIPS99 (sjx-ca115-49.ix.netcom.com [207.223.162.113]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8/L) with SMTP id OAA03505 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: From: "Paul Lee" To: "IBM Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: TP560: Replacing my plastic mouse button covering, and the plastic screen case? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:49:31 -0700 Message-ID: <001301bdd529$3c393740$71a2dfcf@IIPS99.iips.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone: I have an old 560, and it shows the signs of its age. I basically have a question about two things: (1) The plastic mouse button cover broke this summer while I was in Japan, and... (2) The plastic case for my screen is chipped in the bottom left corner, so: Has anyone ever replaced these two things? Do you recommend going through an authorized repair center, shipping it in to IBM direct, out of warranty? Also, I lost the rubber cover for the back ports. Can I order this from IBM? Thanks. Paul From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 20:30:43 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA26428 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01134; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:26:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00944; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mw4.texas.net (mw4.texas.net [206.127.30.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00932; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ouatic (tcnet08-28.sat.texas.net [209.99.50.217]) by mw4.texas.net (2.4/2.4) with SMTP id TAA22905 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:26:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000301bdd53f$1ddcafa0$d93263d1@ouatic> From: "TD" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Discharge rate of Lithium Ion batteries? Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:26:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know how fast lithium ion batteries normally discharge when NOT in use? -T- From cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Mon Aug 31 21:58:55 1998 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27871 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04885; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.11); Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:56:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04672; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.cyberramp.net (root@mailhost.cyberramp.net [207.158.64.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04649; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jim760ed (pm3-30.cyberramp.net [207.158.78.94]) by mailhost.cyberramp.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1/ler-980825-0832-PM) with SMTP id UAA03872; Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:56:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35EAFFFA.3814@cyberramp.net> Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:56:42 +0000 From: Jim McGhee X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TD CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Discharge rate of Lithium Ion batteries? References: <000301bdd53f$1ddcafa0$d93263d1@ouatic> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, According to the spec I saw, a fully charged battery should still contain 95% of the charge after 1 year on the shelf. Jim TD wrote: > > Anyone know how fast lithium ion batteries normally discharge when NOT in > use? > > -T-